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Group: S-Trains Message: 42765 From: Trains Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] BUSS WIRING
Group: S-Trains Message: 42766 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: train songs
Group: S-Trains Message: 42767 From: SnSTrains@aol.com Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Happy New Year
Group: S-Trains Message: 42768 From: Dick Kuepper Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: AF train set box
Group: S-Trains Message: 42769 From: geep39 Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Train Song You May Never Have Heard
Group: S-Trains Message: 42770 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: AM track
Group: S-Trains Message: 42771 From: Paul4Schil@aol.com Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: AM track
Group: S-Trains Message: 42772 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: Train Song You May Never Have Heard
Group: S-Trains Message: 42773 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: Train Song You May Never Have Heard
Group: S-Trains Message: 42774 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Fw: 21129 problem solved
Group: S-Trains Message: 42775 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: TRACK AM , SHS, & CLASSIC TRAINS
Group: S-Trains Message: 42776 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: 310 TENDER
Group: S-Trains Message: 42777 From: toymyb Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Heimburger's Circus Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 42779 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: AF Rectiformer Tube & 310 Thank You
Group: S-Trains Message: 42780 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Dulles Expo Greenberg Show
Group: S-Trains Message: 42781 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: 310 TENDER
Group: S-Trains Message: 42782 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: BUSS WIRING
Group: S-Trains Message: 42783 From: fnmichong Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Need help/advice on Flyonel 4-8-4 #800
Group: S-Trains Message: 42784 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: American Models Track versus AF Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 42785 From: James Hannawald Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: 293 not running
Group: S-Trains Message: 42786 From: Ron Inscho Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: AF Rectiformer Tube
Group: S-Trains Message: 42787 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: electrician
Group: S-Trains Message: 42788 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: 293 not running
Group: S-Trains Message: 42789 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: Need help/advice on Flyonel 4-8-4 #800
Group: S-Trains Message: 42790 From: Donald Thompson Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: Heimburger's Circus Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 42791 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: heimgurgerhouse.com circus set #1000
Group: S-Trains Message: 42792 From: Donald Thompson Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: heimgurgerhouse.com circus set #1000
Group: S-Trains Message: 42793 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: 21129 problem solved
Group: S-Trains Message: 42794 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: 293 not running
Group: S-Trains Message: 42795 From: scrabtiger Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Christmas Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 42796 From: Bill Frazier Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: AF Rectiformer Tube & 310 Thank You
Group: S-Trains Message: 42797 From: Gale Hall Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: 293
Group: S-Trains Message: 42798 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: Speaker for Alco Dummy
Group: S-Trains Message: 42799 From: jimensign50@aol.com Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: New Northern Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 42800 From: Bob Hannon Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: 293 not running
Group: S-Trains Message: 42801 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: Re: New Northern Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 42802 From: srmj@wi.rr.com Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: Re: 293 not running
Group: S-Trains Message: 42803 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: I see a trend here...
Group: S-Trains Message: 42804 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: Re: Christmas Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 42805 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: Re: Ebay Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 42806 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: New B unit rail sounds
Group: S-Trains Message: 42807 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: West Coast Pricing
Group: S-Trains Message: 42808 From: Rhett George Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: 293 not running
Group: S-Trains Message: 42809 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: Flyonel Mikado Sound discovery
Group: S-Trains Message: 42810 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: Alton Limited and Southern Mikado video
Group: S-Trains Message: 42811 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: Directions to Jan 6th KEYSTONE TCA Meet
Group: S-Trains Message: 42812 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: Pictures of the Alton Limited
Group: S-Trains Message: 42813 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado Sound discovery
Group: S-Trains Message: 42814 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: Fw: Ebay refund
Group: S-Trains Message: 42815 From: Phil K Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: Ebay refund
Group: S-Trains Message: 42816 From: uvl97222 Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: Why is it some ebay bidders are....
Group: S-Trains Message: 42817 From: uvl97222 Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: Re: AF Rectiformer Tube & 310 Thank You
Group: S-Trains Message: 42818 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Chicago & Alton Limited set
Group: S-Trains Message: 42819 From: Alex Sibbald Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: Ebay refund
Group: S-Trains Message: 42820 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: AF Rectiformer Tube & 310 Thank You
Group: S-Trains Message: 42821 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Why is it some ebay bidders are....
Group: S-Trains Message: 42822 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: Ebay refund
Group: S-Trains Message: 42823 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: Ebay refund
Group: S-Trains Message: 42824 From: jaay_st Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: New layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 42825 From: keefer1 Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Why is it some ebay bidders are....
Group: S-Trains Message: 42826 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: Ebay refund
Group: S-Trains Message: 42827 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: Ebay refund
Group: S-Trains Message: 42828 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: e-Bay/PayPal shipping charges
Group: S-Trains Message: 42829 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: Ebay refund
Group: S-Trains Message: 42830 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Why is it some ebay bidders are....
Group: S-Trains Message: 42831 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Christmas Flat Car Trees
Group: S-Trains Message: 42832 From: Phil K Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Ebay refund horror story
Group: S-Trains Message: 42833 From: Dan Greenberg Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Wenham train show
Group: S-Trains Message: 42834 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Advertising Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 42835 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: e-Bay/PayPal shipping charges
Group: S-Trains Message: 42836 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Christmas Flat Car Trees
Group: S-Trains Message: 42837 From: Bill Adams Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: KW Manual
Group: S-Trains Message: 42838 From: Crpntr12449@aol.com Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Alton Limited and Southern Mikado video
Group: S-Trains Message: 42839 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Pictures of the Alton Limited
Group: S-Trains Message: 42840 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: e-bay seller
Group: S-Trains Message: 42841 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Christmas Flat Car Trees
Group: S-Trains Message: 42842 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: e-bay seller
Group: S-Trains Message: 42843 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: e-bay seller
Group: S-Trains Message: 42844 From: G C Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: New layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 42845 From: Larry Oberman Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Mikado sound
Group: S-Trains Message: 42846 From: LARRY MOORE Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: 945 vs 945A
Group: S-Trains Message: 42847 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Christmas Flat Car Trees
Group: S-Trains Message: 42848 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: 945 vs 945A
Group: S-Trains Message: 42849 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: 2007 Lionel Catalogue?
Group: S-Trains Message: 42850 From: r_ahrens99 Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: New layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 42851 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: 945 vs 945A
Group: S-Trains Message: 42852 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Wenham train show
Group: S-Trains Message: 42853 From: LARRY MOORE Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: 945 vs 945A
Group: S-Trains Message: 42854 From: Jim Marski Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Happy New Year and TCA National Convention
Group: S-Trains Message: 42855 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Christmas Tree Flat Car - Greenberg Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 42856 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: 945 vs 945A
Group: S-Trains Message: 42857 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: 945 vs 945A
Group: S-Trains Message: 42858 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: 945 vs 945A
Group: S-Trains Message: 42859 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Why is it some ebay bidders are....
Group: S-Trains Message: 42860 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 1/4/2007
Subject: Calling John McKenzie
Group: S-Trains Message: 42861 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/4/2007
Subject: Re: Christmas Tree Flat Car - Greenberg Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 42862 From: Bret Date: 1/4/2007
Subject: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 42863 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 1/4/2007
Subject: Re: Christmas Flat Car Trees
Group: S-Trains Message: 42864 From: keefer1 Date: 1/4/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 42865 From: trainnut2us Date: 1/4/2007
Subject: action cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 42866 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/4/2007
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] RE: Christmas Tree Flat Car - Greenberg Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 42867 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/4/2007
Subject: Re: action cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 42868 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/4/2007
Subject: Flyonel NYC Alco PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 42869 From: David Dewey Date: 1/4/2007
Subject: Lionel 2007 catalog 1
Group: S-Trains Message: 42870 From: charlie and edith Date: 1/4/2007
Subject: Airbrushing Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 42871 From: Chris Date: 1/4/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 42872 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine (& SHAMELESS A
Group: S-Trains Message: 42873 From: Chris Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 42874 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 42875 From: Mark Preman Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale - Your EBAY Alternative
Group: S-Trains Message: 42876 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Airbrushing Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 42877 From: Chris Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 42878 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel NYC Alco PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 42879 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 42880 From: Jerry Poniatowski Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Airbrushing Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 42881 From: Chris Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 42882 From: Russ Dondero Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: New B unit rail sounds
Group: S-Trains Message: 42883 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 42884 From: Chris Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 42885 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Pine Canyon News Advert
Group: S-Trains Message: 42886 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Threads
Group: S-Trains Message: 42887 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 42888 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 42889 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Grading
Group: S-Trains Message: 42890 From: Al Baker Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 42891 From: mrself58 Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Sizes
Group: S-Trains Message: 42892 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 42893 From: John Ruckle Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Smoke in Tender Units
Group: S-Trains Message: 42894 From: Donald Thompson Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Sizes
Group: S-Trains Message: 42895 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 42896 From: Jerry Poniatowski Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Sizes
Group: S-Trains Message: 42897 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Sizes
Group: S-Trains Message: 42898 From: Chris Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 42899 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Don't Hurry Louie
Group: S-Trains Message: 42900 From: Chris Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Grading
Group: S-Trains Message: 42901 From: Chris Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 42902 From: r_ahrens99 Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Sizes
Group: S-Trains Message: 42903 From: boblines51 Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Train meets
Group: S-Trains Message: 42904 From: bandmember5728 Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Classic Toy Trains Magazine
Group: S-Trains Message: 42905 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: 21129 Weirdness Corrected
Group: S-Trains Message: 42906 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Re: TO Stumpy
Group: S-Trains Message: 42907 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Re: Sizes
Group: S-Trains Message: 42908 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: I see a trend here...
Group: S-Trains Message: 42909 From: John G Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Defender set
Group: S-Trains Message: 42910 From: Jollivier4@cs.com Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: grading
Group: S-Trains Message: 42911 From: Art Shifrin Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: ebay ethics
Group: S-Trains Message: 42912 From: ken garber Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Re: Train Meets
Group: S-Trains Message: 42913 From: Edward Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Train meets
Group: S-Trains Message: 42914 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Re: action cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 42915 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Ever thought about "undec " rolling stock?
Group: S-Trains Message: 42916 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Re: ebay ethics
Group: S-Trains Message: 42917 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Re: Ever thought about "undec " rolling stock?
Group: S-Trains Message: 42918 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Re: Ever thought about "undec " rolling stock?
Group: S-Trains Message: 42919 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Can TMCC???
Group: S-Trains Message: 42920 From: clayton deich Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Re: Defender set
Group: S-Trains Message: 42921 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: AM SF Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 42922 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Re: Can TMCC???
Group: S-Trains Message: 42923 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Re;re;Ever thought about "undec" rolling stock?
Group: S-Trains Message: 42924 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Weekly S-Trains Chat Room, 1/7/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 42925 From: Roy Hoffman Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Re: Re;re;Ever thought about "undec" rolling stock?
Group: S-Trains Message: 42926 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Re: Re;re;Ever thought about "undec" rolling stock?
Group: S-Trains Message: 42927 From: Jerry Poniatowski Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: random observation
Group: S-Trains Message: 42928 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Re: Can TMCC???
Group: S-Trains Message: 42929 From: Eric R. Date: 1/7/2007
Subject: Another list of extra stuff to Sell
Group: S-Trains Message: 42930 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/7/2007
Subject: Re: random observation
Group: S-Trains Message: 42931 From: john festa Date: 1/7/2007
Subject: 215 water tank
Group: S-Trains Message: 42932 From: Al Baker Date: 1/7/2007
Subject: Wanted: 22090 Transformer or parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 42933 From: David Dewey Date: 1/7/2007
Subject: Defender Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 42934 From: clayton deich Date: 1/7/2007
Subject: Re: random observation
Group: S-Trains Message: 42935 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/7/2007
Subject: Weekly S-Trains Chat Room, 1/7/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 42936 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/7/2007
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Christmas Flat Car Trees
Group: S-Trains Message: 42937 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/7/2007
Subject: WHATS IN ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 42938 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/7/2007
Subject: Fw: Ebay Q&A
Group: S-Trains Message: 42939 From: boblines51 Date: 1/8/2007
Subject: Train meets
Group: S-Trains Message: 42940 From: Down & Under AND Over & Across Railway Date: 1/8/2007
Subject: AF Rail and Turnout INFO Wanted
Group: S-Trains Message: 42941 From: Tim Benner Date: 1/8/2007
Subject: Double Track centers
Group: S-Trains Message: 42942 From: Mark Preman Date: 1/8/2007
Subject: Train Show in Deland, Florida
Group: S-Trains Message: 42943 From: Phil K Date: 1/8/2007
Subject: Re: Double Track centers
Group: S-Trains Message: 42944 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 1/8/2007
Subject: Re: Double Track centers
Group: S-Trains Message: 42945 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 1/8/2007
Subject: Jim Marski Open house
Group: S-Trains Message: 42946 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 1/8/2007
Subject: AF rail and turnout INFO
Group: S-Trains Message: 42947 From: G C Date: 1/8/2007
Subject: Re: Double Track centers
Group: S-Trains Message: 42948 From: Tim Benner Date: 1/8/2007
Subject: Re: Double Track centers
Group: S-Trains Message: 42949 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/8/2007
Subject: For "Hot Wheels" lovers
Group: S-Trains Message: 42950 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 1/9/2007
Subject: Not Train Related - But
Group: S-Trains Message: 42951 From: Knight, Gene Date: 1/9/2007
Subject: Lionel catalog
Group: S-Trains Message: 42953 From: Don Rodgers Sr. Date: 1/9/2007
Subject: Re: Reactivate
Group: S-Trains Message: 42954 From: Harlan Jones Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: MRC synchro sound
Group: S-Trains Message: 42955 From: Al Baker Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: AF Transformer parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 42956 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Re: Not Train Related - But
Group: S-Trains Message: 42957 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Flyonel SF B Unit w/railsounds
Group: S-Trains Message: 42958 From: Edward Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: TMCC
Group: S-Trains Message: 42959 From: John Ruckle Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Thanks for the help!
Group: S-Trains Message: 42960 From: Phil K Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel SF B Unit w/railsounds
Group: S-Trains Message: 42961 From: Phil K Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Warning -- counterfeit AF calendars back on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 42962 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Re: AF Transformer parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 42963 From: John Eichmann Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Re: Not Train Related - But
Group: S-Trains Message: 42964 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Re: Warning -- counterfeit AF calendars back on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 42965 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Re: Warning -- counterfeit AF calendars back on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 42966 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Re: RARE CUSTOM ITEM ON E-BAY
Group: S-Trains Message: 42967 From: Phil K Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Re: Warning -- counterfeit AF calendars back on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 42968 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Re: Warning -- counterfeit AF calendars back on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 42969 From: Crpntr12449@aol.com Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: MRC synchro sound
Group: S-Trains Message: 42970 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Warning -- counterfeit AF calendars back on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 42971 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Re: RARE CUSTOM ITEM ON E-BAY
Group: S-Trains Message: 42972 From: Phil K Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Re: Warning -- counterfeit AF calendars back on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 42973 From: Eric R. Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: A Few more Items for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 42974 From: charlie and edith Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Set Value
Group: S-Trains Message: 42975 From: Rollain Mercier Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Are you kidding me? $400+
Group: S-Trains Message: 42976 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Re: Warning -- counterfeit AF calendars back on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 42977 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: A.C. Gilbert
Group: S-Trains Message: 42978 From: Eric R. Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Are you kidding me? $400+
Group: S-Trains Message: 42979 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: STEP??????
Group: S-Trains Message: 42980 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Re: Warning -- counterfeit AF calendars back on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 42981 From: Eric R. Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Re: [AvailableSgauge] A Few more Items for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 42982 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Re: STEP??????
Group: S-Trains Message: 42983 From: Phil K Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert
Group: S-Trains Message: 42984 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert
Group: S-Trains Message: 42985 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert
Group: S-Trains Message: 42986 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: SORRY
Group: S-Trains Message: 42987 From: Phil K Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert
Group: S-Trains Message: 42988 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Re: Elizabeth Toy Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 42989 From: bandmancwc Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Northerns
Group: S-Trains Message: 42990 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Re: Northerns
Group: S-Trains Message: 42991 From: charlie and edith Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Set Value
Group: S-Trains Message: 42992 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert
Group: S-Trains Message: 42993 From: Phil K Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Track radii
Group: S-Trains Message: 42994 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 1/12/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel catalog
Group: S-Trains Message: 42995 From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com Date: 1/12/2007
Subject: Re: Northerns
Group: S-Trains Message: 42996 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/12/2007
Subject: Re: RARE CUSTOM ITEM ON E-BAY
Group: S-Trains Message: 42997 From: Russ Dondero Date: 1/12/2007
Subject: B Unit with Railsounds
Group: S-Trains Message: 42998 From: Phil K Date: 1/12/2007
Subject: Re: B Unit with Railsounds
Group: S-Trains Message: 42999 From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton Date: 1/12/2007
Subject: Unsubscribe
Group: S-Trains Message: 43000 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: AF Drawings/Parts Lists links
Group: S-Trains Message: 43001 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: Re: B Unit with Railsounds
Group: S-Trains Message: 43002 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: About that bogus 1944 AF calendar
Group: S-Trains Message: 43003 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: All Aboard Sets website
Group: S-Trains Message: 43004 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: Catalog
Group: S-Trains Message: 43005 From: George Cohn Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: Re: All Aboard Sets website
Group: S-Trains Message: 43006 From: Ed Eckert Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: Re: All Aboard Sets website
Group: S-Trains Message: 43007 From: Phil K Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: It's pure BS -- unless John Heck has changed his name...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43008 From: seg60133 Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: Re: Are you kidding me? $400+
Group: S-Trains Message: 43009 From: George Cohn Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: Re: It's pure BS -- unless John Heck has changed his name...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43010 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: Weekly S-Trains Chat Room, 1/14/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 43011 From: Marty.Thorin Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
Group: S-Trains Message: 43012 From: David Engle Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: Re: S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
Group: S-Trains Message: 43013 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: Re;It's pure BS...unless John Heck has changed his name.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43014 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
Group: S-Trains Message: 43015 From: Marty.Thorin Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: Re: S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
Group: S-Trains Message: 43016 From: Donald Thompson Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
Group: S-Trains Message: 43017 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: Pilot truck wheels update.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43018 From: T Larson Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: RMC
Group: S-Trains Message: 43019 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: Paul Yorke's site
Group: S-Trains Message: 43020 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: Re: It's pure BS -- unless John Heck has changed his name...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43021 From: seg60133 Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: Re: It's pure BS -- unless John Heck has changed his name...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43022 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: Re: All Aboard Sets website
Group: S-Trains Message: 43023 From: Bullybullfrog@aol.com Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: 'O' Scale West Plus 'S' Convention Information
Group: S-Trains Message: 43024 From: guess Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: new member
Group: S-Trains Message: 43025 From: George Cohn Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: Re: All Aboard Sets website
Group: S-Trains Message: 43026 From: ecphora123 Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: PRR K5
Group: S-Trains Message: 43027 From: G C Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} RMC
Group: S-Trains Message: 43028 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: RailKing MTH sawmill #23796
Group: S-Trains Message: 43029 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: Re: new member
Group: S-Trains Message: 43030 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: Weekly S-Trains Chat Room, 1/14/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 43031 From: Tim Benner Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: Derailing trouble with a 282
Group: S-Trains Message: 43032 From: M.McConnell Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: All Aboard Sets website
Group: S-Trains Message: 43033 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] All Aboard Sets website
Group: S-Trains Message: 43034 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: Re: Derailing trouble with a 282
Group: S-Trains Message: 43035 From: Bradley Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: All Aboard Sets Website
Group: S-Trains Message: 43036 From: Randy Griggs Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: Paul Yorke'a Site
Group: S-Trains Message: 43037 From: Paul Yorke Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: Fwd: Paul Yorke's site (Photo Albums)
Group: S-Trains Message: 43038 From: jshannon148 Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
Group: S-Trains Message: 43039 From: David Engle Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
Group: S-Trains Message: 43040 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: NO DAMAGE
Group: S-Trains Message: 43041 From: Bradley Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: All Aboard Website Up And Running Again
Group: S-Trains Message: 43042 From: Phil K Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: Re: NO DAMAGE
Group: S-Trains Message: 43043 From: colleenandrob Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: 970 Walking brakeman
Group: S-Trains Message: 43044 From: G C Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
Group: S-Trains Message: 43045 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: Re: NO DAMAGE
Group: S-Trains Message: 43046 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: Re: NO DAMAGE
Group: S-Trains Message: 43047 From: Lance McCold Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: S-scale (approximately) cars at Tors"R"Us
Group: S-Trains Message: 43048 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: Re: NO DAMAGE
Group: S-Trains Message: 43049 From: Phil K Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
Group: S-Trains Message: 43050 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: Gene Cimino
Group: S-Trains Message: 43051 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: Re: 970 Walking brakeman
Group: S-Trains Message: 43052 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: web site help
Group: S-Trains Message: 43053 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: Re: ELECTRIC NORMAN
Group: S-Trains Message: 43054 From: Marty.Thorin Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: Re: S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
Group: S-Trains Message: 43055 From: Phil K Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: Laying flextrack
Group: S-Trains Message: 43056 From: G C Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: Re: S-scale (approximately) cars at Tors"R"Us
Group: S-Trains Message: 43057 From: Jerry Matsick Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: Electric Norman
Group: S-Trains Message: 43058 From: buzzybobcat03 Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: mikado 2-8-2----6-48042
Group: S-Trains Message: 43059 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: Re: S-scale (approximately) cars at Tors"R"Us
Group: S-Trains Message: 43060 From: Phil K Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: Memberships up
Group: S-Trains Message: 43061 From: Don McGinnis Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
Group: S-Trains Message: 43062 From: Trains Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
Group: S-Trains Message: 43063 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: Re: ELECTRIC NORMAN
Group: S-Trains Message: 43064 From: Randy Burton Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: Re: belts slipping off Lionel #789 Baggage Smasher
Group: S-Trains Message: 43065 From: david bradley Date: 1/17/2007
Subject: Re: belts slipping off Lionel #789 Baggage Smasher
Group: S-Trains Message: 43066 From: Mark Preman Date: 1/17/2007
Subject: Is The Digest Still Functioning?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43067 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 1/17/2007
Subject: NASG HI RAIL SIG
Group: S-Trains Message: 43068 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/17/2007
Subject: Fw: Train things, Neil Young
Group: S-Trains Message: 43069 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/17/2007
Subject: Question about set values
Group: S-Trains Message: 43070 From: WEG138@aol.com Date: 1/17/2007
Subject: Re: Buildings for layouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 43071 From: Jerry Poniatowski Date: 1/17/2007
Subject: Re: belts slipping off Lionel #789 Baggage Smasher
Group: S-Trains Message: 43072 From: Mike Valentine Date: 1/17/2007
Subject: New guy with questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 43073 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 1/18/2007
Subject: Springettsbury Fire Hall Train Show in York April 16-17 & 18 2007
Group: S-Trains Message: 43074 From: Chris Date: 1/18/2007
Subject: Re: New guy with questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 43075 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 1/18/2007
Subject: Fwd: Springettsbury Fire Hall Train Show in York April 16-17 & 18 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 43076 From: G C Date: 1/18/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
Group: S-Trains Message: 43077 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/18/2007
Subject: Margaret Truman
Group: S-Trains Message: 43078 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/18/2007
Subject: Re: Margaret Truman
Group: S-Trains Message: 43079 From: Chris Date: 1/18/2007
Subject: Re: Margaret Truman
Group: S-Trains Message: 43080 From: Bret Date: 1/18/2007
Subject: American flyer parts for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 43081 From: lvtrainmeet Date: 1/18/2007
Subject: Nice train meet in allentown pa this weekend
Group: S-Trains Message: 43082 From: geep39 Date: 1/19/2007
Subject: LV Train Meet
Group: S-Trains Message: 43083 From: don@showcaseline.com Date: 1/19/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Intermodal container
Group: S-Trains Message: 43084 From: David Engle Date: 1/19/2007
Subject: Re: Margaret Truman
Group: S-Trains Message: 43085 From: colleenandrob Date: 1/19/2007
Subject: Basic question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43086 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 1/19/2007
Subject: NASG HI RAIL SIG
Group: S-Trains Message: 43087 From: Rhett George Date: 1/19/2007
Subject: Reversing switch
Group: S-Trains Message: 43088 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/19/2007
Subject: Re: 1117 WHISTLE CONTROL TUBE(3) FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains Message: 43089 From: afherky Date: 1/19/2007
Subject: Re: Springettsbury Fire Hall Train Show in York April 16-17 & 18 20
Group: S-Trains Message: 43090 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/20/2007
Subject: Emailing: AMERICAN-FLYER-S-REMOTE-CONTROL-SWITCH-TRACK-PAIR_W0QQite
Group: S-Trains Message: 43091 From: David Engle Date: 1/20/2007
Subject: Re: Margaret Truman
Group: S-Trains Message: 43092 From: clifma19@cox.net Date: 1/20/2007
Subject: Web Site for Cliff's Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 43093 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/20/2007
Subject: Re: Reversing switch
Group: S-Trains Message: 43094 From: bandmancwc Date: 1/20/2007
Subject: Looking for..
Group: S-Trains Message: 43095 From: Dennis Back Date: 1/20/2007
Subject: Re: Emailing: AMERICAN-FLYER-S-REMOTE-CONTROL-SWITCH-TRACK-PAIR_W0Q
Group: S-Trains Message: 43096 From: ljack70117@adelphia.net Date: 1/20/2007
Subject: Re: Emailing: AMERICAN-FLYER-S-REMOTE-CONTROL-SWITCH-TRACK-PAIR_W0Q
Group: S-Trains Message: 43097 From: G C Date: 1/20/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
Group: S-Trains Message: 43098 From: Paul Yorke Date: 1/20/2007
Subject: House Cleaning - Rail Magazines
Group: S-Trains Message: 43099 From: lvtrainmeet Date: 1/20/2007
Subject: Nice Train meet Sunday 10-3 flyer for sale Allentown Pa
Group: S-Trains Message: 43100 From: charlie and edith Date: 1/20/2007
Subject: Electrical Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43101 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Re: Electrical Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43102 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Re: Electrical Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43103 From: Andrew Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Lionel Flyer Docksider Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43104 From: guess Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Local people
Group: S-Trains Message: 43105 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer Docksider Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43106 From: dale reynolds Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: FW: All Aboard
Group: S-Trains Message: 43107 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Re: FW: All Aboard
Group: S-Trains Message: 43108 From: M.McConnell Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Fonts used in Train list
Group: S-Trains Message: 43109 From: Knight, Gene Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: WGH Show and Lionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 43110 From: Phil K Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Something to watch while eating a crow entree
Group: S-Trains Message: 43111 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: Reversing switch
Group: S-Trains Message: 43112 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Re: Reversing switch
Group: S-Trains Message: 43113 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Re: Basic question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43114 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: THE SILVER BULLET
Group: S-Trains Message: 43115 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Mr. Wilson's E-bay store
Group: S-Trains Message: 43116 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Re;THE SILVER BULLET
Group: S-Trains Message: 43117 From: David Engle Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Re: Something to watch while eating a crow entree
Group: S-Trains Message: 43118 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Re: Something to watch while eating a crow entree
Group: S-Trains Message: 43119 From: theheadliner Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Re: Electrical Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43120 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Re: Electrical Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43121 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: The Crow entree could fly away before being eaten.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43122 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: New Lionel Catalog
Group: S-Trains Message: 43123 From: Randy Griggs Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: New Photo Gallery comparing the 'REAL' #4501 to the 'Flyonel' #4501
Group: S-Trains Message: 43124 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: New Lionel Catalog, Again
Group: S-Trains Message: 43125 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Re: Re;THE SILVER BULLET/Phantom
Group: S-Trains Message: 43126 From: Al Baker Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Stout Auctions ?????
Group: S-Trains Message: 43127 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: 24566
Group: S-Trains Message: 43128 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Merchants Square Mall train show in Allentown, Pa
Group: S-Trains Message: 43129 From: porschebob1953 Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: AF 19B Transformer Wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 43130 From: Rhett George Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Track screws
Group: S-Trains Message: 43131 From: Jim Armstrong Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Re: Something to watch while eating a crow entree
Group: S-Trains Message: 43132 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalog-PPS:
Group: S-Trains Message: 43133 From: N Becker Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: American Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 43134 From: Rhett George Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Thanks for font help
Group: S-Trains Message: 43135 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalog
Group: S-Trains Message: 43136 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalog-PS
Group: S-Trains Message: 43137 From: Randy Griggs Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Re: New Photo Gallery comparing the 'REAL' #4501 to the 'Flyonel' #
Group: S-Trains Message: 43138 From: Al Baker Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Re: The Crow entree could fly away before being eaten.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43139 From: Phil K Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Re: The Crow entree could fly away before being eaten.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43140 From: Russell & Emily Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: E-mail change
Group: S-Trains Message: 43141 From: clayk@lonestartrains.com Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Re: 633 T Boxcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 43142 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Lionel 2007 catalog
Group: S-Trains Message: 43143 From: charlie and edith Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Electrical Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43144 From: len_hall Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: New Lionel and K Line Catalogs
Group: S-Trains Message: 43145 From: Eric R. Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: For Sale: S Helper - F7 - ABA - ATSF - Red and Silver
Group: S-Trains Message: 43146 From: Phil K Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Link to new Lionel American Flyer offerings
Group: S-Trains Message: 43147 From: Jerry Matsick Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: New Lionel Catalog - American Flyer at 6:00AM
Group: S-Trains Message: 43148 From: Crpntr12449@aol.com Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Re: 633 T Boxcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 43149 From: Jenni Sipla Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Stout Auctions ?????
Group: S-Trains Message: 43150 From: David Dewey Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: New Flyonel
Group: S-Trains Message: 43151 From: Art Shifrin Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Stout & new Lionel catalog
Group: S-Trains Message: 43152 From: Knight, Gene Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Re: New Flyonel
Group: S-Trains Message: 43153 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 43154 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Lionel/AF Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 43155 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Re: Link to new Lionel American Flyer offerings
Group: S-Trains Message: 43156 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 43157 From: Alex Sibbald Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: flyonel
Group: S-Trains Message: 43158 From: johnandrew002 Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: K-Line/Lionel track
Group: S-Trains Message: 43159 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: BUTTON 4 MIKE
Group: S-Trains Message: 43160 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Re: TRACK PRO's & CON's
Group: S-Trains Message: 43161 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Re: flyonel
Group: S-Trains Message: 43162 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Re: K-Line/Lionel track
Group: S-Trains Message: 43163 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Re: flyonel
Group: S-Trains Message: 43164 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Lionel Catalogue
Group: S-Trains Message: 43165 From: race944t Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Stout Auctions ?????
Group: S-Trains Message: 43166 From: frank emiro Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Re: BUTTON 4 MIKE
Group: S-Trains Message: 43167 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Re: BUTTON 4 MIKE
Group: S-Trains Message: 43168 From: srgriggs Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Difference between new "Legacy" and TMCC control systems
Group: S-Trains Message: 43169 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Re: TRACK PRO's & CON's
Group: S-Trains Message: 43170 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Re: TRACK PRO's & CON's
Group: S-Trains Message: 43171 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Re: BUTTON 4 MIKE
Group: S-Trains Message: 43172 From: jayhoo64 Date: 1/24/2007
Subject: Re: TRACK PRO's & CON's
Group: S-Trains Message: 43173 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/24/2007
Subject: Re: TRACK PRO's & CON's
Group: S-Trains Message: 43174 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/24/2007
Subject: Re: TRACK PRO's & CON's
Group: S-Trains Message: 43175 From: George Cohn Date: 1/24/2007
Subject: Re: K-Line/Lionel track
Group: S-Trains Message: 43176 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/24/2007
Subject: Re: BUTTON 4 MIKE
Group: S-Trains Message: 43177 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/24/2007
Subject: NASG promo materials request-Help!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43178 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/24/2007
Subject: Re: TRACK PRO's & CON's
Group: S-Trains Message: 43179 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/24/2007
Subject: Re: BUTTON 4 MIKE
Group: S-Trains Message: 43180 From: George Cohn Date: 1/24/2007
Subject: Re: BUTTON 4 MIKE
Group: S-Trains Message: 43181 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 1/24/2007
Subject: Re: Difference between new "Legacy" and TMCC control systems
Group: S-Trains Message: 43182 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/24/2007
Subject: Re: TRACK PRO's & CON's
Group: S-Trains Message: 43183 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/24/2007
Subject: Re: BUTTON 4 MIKE
Group: S-Trains Message: 43184 From: daysend40 Date: 1/24/2007
Subject: American Models Heavy Weight Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 43185 From: Phil K Date: 1/25/2007
Subject: Re: American Models Heavy Weight Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 43186 From: dr21244 Date: 1/25/2007
Subject: Re: Transfers
Group: S-Trains Message: 43187 From: Donald Thompson Date: 1/25/2007
Subject: Re: SHS blatant 40' container marketing
Group: S-Trains Message: 43188 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 1/25/2007
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] New Northern Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 43189 From: Phil K Date: 1/25/2007
Subject: Re: Transfers
Group: S-Trains Message: 43190 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/26/2007
Subject: Fwd: CROSSOVERS & SW's
Group: S-Trains Message: 43191 From: Don Rodgers Sr. Date: 1/26/2007
Subject: Re: Mail
Group: S-Trains Message: 43192 From: Phil K Date: 1/26/2007
Subject: Re: Transfers (More info)
Group: S-Trains Message: 43193 From: toymyb Date: 1/26/2007
Subject: Legacy System
Group: S-Trains Message: 43194 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/26/2007
Subject: Re: SW's & Crossovers from Classic Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 43195 From: John Degnan Date: 1/26/2007
Subject: SEABOARD BOXCAR PROJECT UPDATE!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43196 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 1/26/2007
Subject: Re: Legacy System
Group: S-Trains Message: 43197 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: Crossheads Binding
Group: S-Trains Message: 43198 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 43199 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: ??
Group: S-Trains Message: 43200 From: Bruce D. Willis Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: Re: New Flyonel
Group: S-Trains Message: 43201 From: T Larson Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: AmTrak
Group: S-Trains Message: 43202 From: Phil K Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: For sale "S" items are posted at ...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43203 From: Phil K Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: Re: AmTrak
Group: S-Trains Message: 43204 From: The LANIERs Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: Re: Crossheads Binding
Group: S-Trains Message: 43205 From: Phil K Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: Free American Flyer wallpaper for your PC
Group: S-Trains Message: 43206 From: srgriggs Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: Reissues of prewar/early postwar AF signals
Group: S-Trains Message: 43207 From: John Date: 1/28/2007
Subject: Reissues of prewar/early postwar AF signals
Group: S-Trains Message: 43208 From: Paul Yorke Date: 1/28/2007
Subject: Paul Yorke Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 43209 From: toymyb Date: 1/28/2007
Subject: Decals/Logos
Group: S-Trains Message: 43210 From: George Cohn Date: 1/28/2007
Subject: Re: Reissues of prewar/early postwar AF signals
Group: S-Trains Message: 43211 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/28/2007
Subject: Reissues of prewar/early postwar AF signals
Group: S-Trains Message: 43212 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/28/2007
Subject: AF switch question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43213 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/28/2007
Subject: Re: American Models Heavy Weight Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 43214 From: Phil K Date: 1/28/2007
Subject: Re: Transfers
Group: S-Trains Message: 43215 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/28/2007
Subject: AF Switch problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 43216 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 43217 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: S promo materials
Group: S-Trains Message: 43218 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: For sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 43219 From: Russ Dondero Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: Santa Fe B unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 43220 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: Re: K-Line/Lionel track
Group: S-Trains Message: 43221 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: Re: Santa Fe B unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 43222 From: Bill Adams Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: Do you want a good laugh?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43223 From: Howard Sheffield Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: Re: Do you want a good laugh?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43224 From: Mark Preman Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: 20% Off Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 43225 From: toymyb Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: SHS Grand Union Reefer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43226 From: Trains Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: Re: Santa Fe B unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 43227 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: Fwd: FW: Check out lionel_commercial
Group: S-Trains Message: 43228 From: Eric R. Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: AM BUDD car set for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 43229 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: Re: FLYONEL'S Pacific
Group: S-Trains Message: 43230 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: Electrical problem -help!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43231 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: Fwd: CROSSOVERS & SW's
Group: S-Trains Message: 43232 From: William Porter Date: 1/30/2007
Subject: Re: Electrical problem -help!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43233 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 1/30/2007
Subject: Re: FLYONEL'S Pacific
Group: S-Trains Message: 43234 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 1/30/2007
Subject: Re: Electrical problem -help!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43235 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 1/30/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3321
Group: S-Trains Message: 43236 From: Jerry Poniatowski Date: 1/30/2007
Subject: Re: Electrical problem -help!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43237 From: Rhett George Date: 1/30/2007
Subject: Electrical problem -help!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43238 From: RCESpeak Date: 1/30/2007
Subject: Do you want a good laugh?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43239 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 1/30/2007
Subject: Re: Electrical problem -help!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43240 From: Dave W Date: 1/30/2007
Subject: Re: Do you want a good laugh?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43241 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 1/31/2007
Subject: Re;Do you want a good laugh
Group: S-Trains Message: 43242 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/31/2007
Subject: Re: $26.00 DOCKSIDE PREORDER?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43243 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 1/31/2007
Subject: Talking station reproducer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43244 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 1/31/2007
Subject: Do you want a good laugh?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43245 From: Trains Date: 1/31/2007
Subject: warning of potential fraud scheme related to ebay purchases of AF/L
Group: S-Trains Message: 43246 From: George Cohn Date: 1/31/2007
Subject: Re: warning of potential fraud scheme related to ebay purchases of
Group: S-Trains Message: 43247 From: The LANIERs Date: 1/31/2007
Subject: Re: warning of potential fraud scheme related to ebay purchases of
Group: S-Trains Message: 43248 From: Phil K Date: 1/31/2007
Subject: Re: warning of potential fraud scheme related to ebay purchases of
Group: S-Trains Message: 43249 From: Phil K Date: 1/31/2007
Subject: $26.00 DOCKSIDE PREORDER? .... NOPE
Group: S-Trains Message: 43250 From: Phil K Date: 1/31/2007
Subject: S gauge starter set for younger kids -- it's about time .......
Group: S-Trains Message: 43251 From: Chris Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Do you want a good laugh?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43252 From: Chris Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Re: Electrical problem -help!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43253 From: Chris Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Talking station reproducer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43254 From: Roy Inman Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Re: Electrical problem - Many thanks :)
Group: S-Trains Message: 43255 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Re: S gauge starter set for younger kids -- it's about time .......
Group: S-Trains Message: 43256 From: Phil K Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Re: S gauge starter set for younger kids -- it's about time .......
Group: S-Trains Message: 43257 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Re: S gauge starter set for younger kids -- it's about time .....
Group: S-Trains Message: 43258 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Re: Electrical problem -help!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43259 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Re: It's about time .......
Group: S-Trains Message: 43260 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Re Talking Station reproducer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43261 From: Roy Inman Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Re: Electrical problem -help!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43262 From: George Cohn Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Re: Re Talking Station reproducer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43263 From: Chris Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Talking Station Reproducer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43264 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/2/2007
Subject: Re: AMERICAN TRACK SYSTEMS UPDATE (NOT AMERICAN MODLES)
Group: S-Trains Message: 43265 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 2/2/2007
Subject: Re: Talking Station Reproducer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43266 From: Chris Date: 2/2/2007
Subject: Talking Station Reproducer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43267 From: clayk@lonestartrains.com Date: 2/2/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel catalog corrections
Group: S-Trains Message: 43268 From: Mark Preman Date: 2/2/2007
Subject: American Flyer Trains For sale - Blatant Ad
Group: S-Trains Message: 43269 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 2/2/2007
Subject: Talking station reproducer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43270 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2007
Subject: 27 inch radius
Group: S-Trains Message: 43271 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2007
Subject: AF Switch Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43272 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 2/2/2007
Subject: Re: AF Switch Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43273 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/2/2007
Subject: Re: AF Switch Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43274 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/3/2007
Subject: AF Switch
Group: S-Trains Message: 43275 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 2/3/2007
Subject: Re;27 inch radius
Group: S-Trains Message: 43276 From: guess Date: 2/3/2007
Subject: People in Tulsa Oklahoma area
Group: S-Trains Message: 43277 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/3/2007
Subject: Re: AF Switch
Group: S-Trains Message: 43278 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/3/2007
Subject: Re: Re;27 inch radius
Group: S-Trains Message: 43279 From: Dan Greenberg Date: 2/3/2007
Subject: AF Switch
Group: S-Trains Message: 43280 From: ljack70117@adelphia.net Date: 2/3/2007
Subject: Re: AF Switch
Group: S-Trains Message: 43281 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/3/2007
Subject: Re: AF Switch
Group: S-Trains Message: 43282 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/3/2007
Subject: Re: AF Switch
Group: S-Trains Message: 43283 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 2/4/2007
Subject: AF Switch
Group: S-Trains Message: 43284 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 2/4/2007
Subject: AF Switch
Group: S-Trains Message: 43285 From: louis glumac Date: 2/4/2007
Subject: 919
Group: S-Trains Message: 43286 From: toymyb Date: 2/4/2007
Subject: Track Planning Software
Group: S-Trains Message: 43287 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 2/4/2007
Subject: Trains in movie sountrack
Group: S-Trains Message: 43288 From: David Engle Date: 2/4/2007
Subject: Re: ACC
Group: S-Trains Message: 43289 From: John and Maria Harvey Date: 2/4/2007
Subject: superglue
Group: S-Trains Message: 43290 From: Phil K Date: 2/4/2007
Subject: Re: Track Planning Software
Group: S-Trains Message: 43291 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 2/4/2007
Subject: S-Layouts Photos from WGHS Show in Atlanta
Group: S-Trains Message: 43292 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 2/4/2007
Subject: Re: ACC
Group: S-Trains Message: 43293 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/4/2007
Subject: Re: S-Layouts Photos WGHS Atlanta Show - And some additional commen
Group: S-Trains Message: 43294 From: Roy Hoffman Date: 2/5/2007
Subject: Re: S-Layouts Photos WGHS Atlanta Show - And some additional commen
Group: S-Trains Message: 43295 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 2/5/2007
Subject: Re: S-Layouts Photos WGHS Atlanta Show - And some additional c...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43296 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 2/5/2007
Subject: S-Layouts Photos from WGHS Show in Atlanta
Group: S-Trains Message: 43297 From: judgeatkck2002 Date: 2/5/2007
Subject: possible prototype for Franklin Style Engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 43298 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2007
Subject: 720A or 26742
Group: S-Trains Message: 43299 From: George Cohn Date: 2/5/2007
Subject: Re: warning of potential fraud scheme related to ebay purchases of
Group: S-Trains Message: 43300 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/5/2007
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] possible prototype for Franklin Style Engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 43301 From: Eric R. Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: Re: possible prototype for Franklin Style Engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 43302 From: Trains Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: Re: warning of potential fraud scheme related to ebay purchases of
Group: S-Trains Message: 43303 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: Fwd: RE: [S-Trains] possible prototype for Franklin Style Engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 43304 From: Art Shifrin Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: Doug Swanson aka Traditional Hobbies
Group: S-Trains Message: 43305 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: Lionel Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43306 From: Phil K Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: Traditional Hobbies ain't the only one
Group: S-Trains Message: 43307 From: knockbill Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: York Days in Oct '06
Group: S-Trains Message: 43308 From: Jay E. Mellon Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: WGHS Promotion of S
Group: S-Trains Message: 43309 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: Re: possible prototype for Franklin Style Engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 43310 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: Re: Doug Swanson aka Traditional Hobbies
Group: S-Trains Message: 43311 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 2/7/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43312 From: northline@comcast.net Date: 2/7/2007
Subject: FW: Gill Lott, email not getting through???
Group: S-Trains Message: 43313 From: mikejoan45@comcast.net Date: 2/7/2007
Subject: Need info on Flyer set
Group: S-Trains Message: 43314 From: Alan Evans Date: 2/7/2007
Subject: Ohio S Spree is Coming March 30-31
Group: S-Trains Message: 43315 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 2/7/2007
Subject: Sad situation
Group: S-Trains Message: 43316 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 2/7/2007
Subject: Re: Sad situation
Group: S-Trains Message: 43317 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/7/2007
Subject: Re: Sad situation
Group: S-Trains Message: 43318 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/7/2007
Subject: Re: Sad situation
Group: S-Trains Message: 43319 From: Bret Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: American flyer engines and parts for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 43320 From: Roy Inman Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Amazing Erector
Group: S-Trains Message: 43321 From: Donald Thompson Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: Sad situation
Group: S-Trains Message: 43322 From: George Cohn Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: Amazing Erector
Group: S-Trains Message: 43323 From: Art Shifrin Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Doug Swanson & other hypo-ethical dealers
Group: S-Trains Message: 43324 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: Sad situation
Group: S-Trains Message: 43325 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: AF parts Wanted
Group: S-Trains Message: 43326 From: keefer1 Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: Sad situation
Group: S-Trains Message: 43327 From: paflyrman Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: Sad Situation
Group: S-Trains Message: 43328 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: Sad Situation
Group: S-Trains Message: 43329 From: Phil K Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: Sad Situation
Group: S-Trains Message: 43330 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: Sad situation
Group: S-Trains Message: 43331 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: Sad situation
Group: S-Trains Message: 43332 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: TCA rules
Group: S-Trains Message: 43333 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: TCA members and sales
Group: S-Trains Message: 43334 From: George Cohn Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: Sad situation
Group: S-Trains Message: 43335 From: Marty.Thorin Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Building an Painting MRRW's Steeplecabs
Group: S-Trains Message: 43336 From: muniman18 Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: SAD SITUATION
Group: S-Trains Message: 43337 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: TCA Standards
Group: S-Trains Message: 43338 From: Chris Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Sad situation
Group: S-Trains Message: 43339 From: Chris Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Trains in movie sountrack
Group: S-Trains Message: 43340 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] TCA rules
Group: S-Trains Message: 43341 From: louis glumac Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: Sad situation
Group: S-Trains Message: 43342 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: TCA Standards
Group: S-Trains Message: 43343 From: mikejoan45@comcast.net Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Still needs info on Flyer set (second request)
Group: S-Trains Message: 43344 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: TCA Standards
Group: S-Trains Message: 43345 From: Phil K Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: TCA rules
Group: S-Trains Message: 43346 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: TCA Standards
Group: S-Trains Message: 43347 From: Roy Inman Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: TCA Standards
Group: S-Trains Message: 43348 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: TCA Standards
Group: S-Trains Message: 43349 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: TCA rules
Group: S-Trains Message: 43350 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: TCA Standards
Group: S-Trains Message: 43351 From: Jenni Sipla Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: Amazing Erector
Group: S-Trains Message: 43352 From: Bob Hannon Date: 2/9/2007
Subject: Re: Sad situation
Group: S-Trains Message: 43353 From: Chris Date: 2/9/2007
Subject: Another e-Bay story
Group: S-Trains Message: 43354 From: George Cohn Date: 2/9/2007
Subject: Re: Sad situation
Group: S-Trains Message: 43355 From: Phil K Date: 2/9/2007
Subject: He seems to be having NO problems right now
Group: S-Trains Message: 43356 From: Phil K Date: 2/9/2007
Subject: Re: Another e-Bay story
Group: S-Trains Message: 43357 From: Chris Date: 2/9/2007
Subject: The other side of the story
Group: S-Trains Message: 43358 From: George Cohn Date: 2/9/2007
Subject: Re: He seems to be having NO problems right now
Group: S-Trains Message: 43359 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 2/9/2007
Subject: 43338 Sad Situation
Group: S-Trains Message: 43360 From: George Cohn Date: 2/9/2007
Subject: Re: The other side of the story
Group: S-Trains Message: 43361 From: Chris Date: 2/9/2007
Subject: Nathan is more than a hot dog
Group: S-Trains Message: 43362 From: Chris Date: 2/9/2007
Subject: Nathan is more than a hot dog
Group: S-Trains Message: 43363 From: Bill Lane Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Lanes Trains & PRSLHS Website updates
Group: S-Trains Message: 43364 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Re: TCA Standards
Group: S-Trains Message: 43365 From: ghslaw31 Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 43366 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Sad Situation
Group: S-Trains Message: 43367 From: David Engle Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Re: Sad Situation
Group: S-Trains Message: 43368 From: DPDB@AOL.com Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Re: ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 43369 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: AOL
Group: S-Trains Message: 43370 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Re: ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 43371 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Re: ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 43372 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Re: He seems to be having NO problems right now
Group: S-Trains Message: 43373 From: charlie and edith Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Electrical Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43374 From: Jerry Matsick Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: S-Helper S track
Group: S-Trains Message: 43375 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Re: ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 43376 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Chief-Pile-It eBay Listings
Group: S-Trains Message: 43377 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Re: Chief-Pile-It eBay Listings
Group: S-Trains Message: 43378 From: John Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: EBAY EBAY EBAY
Group: S-Trains Message: 43379 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Re: Chief-Pile-It eBay Listings
Group: S-Trains Message: 43380 From: George Cohn Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Re: Chief-Pile-It eBay Listings
Group: S-Trains Message: 43381 From: Chris Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 43382 From: Chris Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Electrical Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43383 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Re: EBAY EBAY EBAY
Group: S-Trains Message: 43384 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Re: EBAY EBAY EBAY
Group: S-Trains Message: 43385 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: NH EP-5 48008 and Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 43386 From: Dennis Back Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: Re: Fountain pump (was Electrical Question)
Group: S-Trains Message: 43387 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 43388 From: Bullybullfrog@aol.com Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: OSW Plus 'S' Next Week! Info
Group: S-Trains Message: 43389 From: rmeyers4800 Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: American Flyer circus train
Group: S-Trains Message: 43390 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: Re: EBAY EBAY EBAY & OTHER RULES TUNE UP
Group: S-Trains Message: 43391 From: Donald Thompson Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: Re: More SHS blatant commercialism
Group: S-Trains Message: 43392 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: Re: EBAY EBAY EBAY
Group: S-Trains Message: 43393 From: TWesthelle@aol.com Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: Re: EBAY EBAY EBAY
Group: S-Trains Message: 43394 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: Re: EBAY EBAY EBAY
Group: S-Trains Message: 43395 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: Lawyer Letter
Group: S-Trains Message: 43396 From: Phil K Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: You don't have to buy or sell to benefit from eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 43397 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: Re: American Flyer circus train
Group: S-Trains Message: 43398 From: Chris Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: eBay, eBay, oBoy
Group: S-Trains Message: 43399 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: Cold Storage to serve those Reefers, Advert
Group: S-Trains Message: 43400 From: The LANIERs Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: Re: Lawyer Letter & Off Topic
Group: S-Trains Message: 43401 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: Jerry Dobbs Invite
Group: S-Trains Message: 43402 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: Fw: Letter
Group: S-Trains Message: 43403 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: basket cases
Group: S-Trains Message: 43404 From: Jerry Poniatowski Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: Re: basket cases
Group: S-Trains Message: 43405 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: letter correction
Group: S-Trains Message: 43406 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: 660 Series Passenger Sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 43407 From: George Cohn Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: eBay, eBay, oBoy
Group: S-Trains Message: 43408 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: TRAIN SHOW
Group: S-Trains Message: 43409 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Mid-West S show?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43410 From: ken garber Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: Attorney reply
Group: S-Trains Message: 43411 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: 660 Series Passenger Sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 43412 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: 660 Series Passenger Sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 43413 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: 660 Series Passenger Sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 43414 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: 660 Series Passenger Sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 43415 From: Dick Kuepper Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Lawyer Letter
Group: S-Trains Message: 43416 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Flyonel Dining Car ??? Not really a dining car !!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43417 From: Phil K Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: 660 Series Passenger Sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 43418 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: 660 Series Passenger Sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 43419 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: 660 Series Passenger Sets BLATENT AD
Group: S-Trains Message: 43420 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Flyonel Dining Car ??? Not really a dining car !!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43421 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: 660 Series Passenger Sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 43422 From: Phil K Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: 660 Series Passenger Sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 43423 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: 660 Series Passenger Sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 43424 From: Scott Freeman Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Dining Car ??? Not really a dining car !!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43425 From: Chris Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Flyonel Dining Car ??? Not really a dining car !!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43426 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: basket cases
Group: S-Trains Message: 43427 From: Donald Thompson Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Dining Car ??? Not really a dining car !!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43428 From: Phil K Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Dining Car ??? Not really a dining car !!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43429 From: Chris Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Flyonel Dining Car ??? Not really a dining car !!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43430 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Dining Car ??? Not really a dining car !!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43431 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/13/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Dining Car ??? Not really a dining car !!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43432 From: Chris Date: 2/13/2007
Subject: Flyonel Dining Car ??? Not really a dining car !!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43433 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/13/2007
Subject: Another ebay scam problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 43434 From: Phil K Date: 2/13/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Dining Car ??? Not really a dining car !!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43435 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/13/2007
Subject: Re: Another ebay scam problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 43436 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/13/2007
Subject: Re: 660 Series Passenger Sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 43437 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/13/2007
Subject: Re: Another ebay scam problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 43438 From: Chris Date: 2/13/2007
Subject: Flyonel Dining Car ??? Not really a dining car !!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43439 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 2/13/2007
Subject: Re: 660 Series Passenger Sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 43440 From: Eric R. Date: 2/13/2007
Subject: American Flyer Books listed on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 43441 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 2/13/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3336
Group: S-Trains Message: 43442 From: convert87 Date: 2/14/2007
Subject: Flyonel Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 43443 From: Jerry Poniatowski Date: 2/14/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3336
Group: S-Trains Message: 43444 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/14/2007
Subject: BLATENT E-BAY AD.- S HERALS SET
Group: S-Trains Message: 43445 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/14/2007
Subject: Flyonel Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 43446 From: Flyvw64@aol.com Date: 2/14/2007
Subject: All Electronics Corp - Parts, Supplies and Components
Group: S-Trains Message: 43447 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 2/15/2007
Subject: Lionel Tech.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43448 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 2/15/2007
Subject: Re: More on the new AF Heavies
Group: S-Trains Message: 43449 From: bandmancwc Date: 2/15/2007
Subject: Animated Track Gang
Group: S-Trains Message: 43450 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/15/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel Tech.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43451 From: Mark Preman Date: 2/15/2007
Subject: The 20% Off Sale Continues - Blatant Ad
Group: S-Trains Message: 43452 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/15/2007
Subject: Re: The 20% Off Sale Continues - Blatant Ad
Group: S-Trains Message: 43453 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 2/15/2007
Subject: Re: The 20% Off Sale Continues - -Blatant add
Group: S-Trains Message: 43454 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/15/2007
Subject: Fw: [dairycollectors] Re: Anyone else watching the Wild Folk bottle
Group: S-Trains Message: 43455 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/15/2007
Subject: Re: The 20% Off Sale Continues - Blatant Ad
Group: S-Trains Message: 43456 From: Tim Benner Date: 2/15/2007
Subject: Re: The 20% Off Sale Continues - Blatant Ad
Group: S-Trains Message: 43457 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/15/2007
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] higher prices
Group: S-Trains Message: 43458 From: Mark Preman Date: 2/16/2007
Subject: My 20% Off Sale is Too Complicated?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43459 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 2/16/2007
Subject: Re: Still more on heavies!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43460 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/16/2007
Subject: Re: My 20% Off Sale is Too Complicated?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43461 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/16/2007
Subject: Re: My 20% Off Sale is Too Complicated?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43462 From: Tim Benner Date: 2/16/2007
Subject: Questions on SIT tuneup
Group: S-Trains Message: 43463 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/16/2007
Subject: Re: My 20% Off Sale is Too Complicated?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43464 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/16/2007
Subject: Re: Still more on heavies! Flyonel vs. CNJ Prototype ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43465 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 2/16/2007
Subject: Re: CRRofNJ - The Blue Comet
Group: S-Trains Message: 43466 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 2/16/2007
Subject: Re: CRRofNJ - The Blue Comet
Group: S-Trains Message: 43467 From: keefer1 Date: 2/16/2007
Subject: british car collector
Group: S-Trains Message: 43468 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/16/2007
Subject: track question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43469 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/16/2007
Subject: Fw: Question for item #120087858102 - AMERICAN FLYER 24426 RATH PAC
Group: S-Trains Message: 43470 From: Jerry Matsick Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: AvailableSgauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 43471 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Re;track question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43472 From: frank emiro Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 43473 From: Bill Adams Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Accessory Lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43474 From: Art Shifrin Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Preman's Greening, a sequel to Miller's Crossing?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43475 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43476 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43477 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43478 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43479 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Warning Ebay 322 question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43480 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: LED resistors
Group: S-Trains Message: 43481 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43482 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: basket case update
Group: S-Trains Message: 43483 From: Phil K Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: TO ALL MEMBERS ------- Regarding receiving offensive emails
Group: S-Trains Message: 43484 From: George Cohn Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43485 From: Michael Lueck Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Trip Pics - Estonia 2006 - Including Trains!!! ;-)
Group: S-Trains Message: 43486 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Re: Warning Ebay 322 question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43487 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Re: Warning Ebay 322 question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43488 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Re: [toytrains] basket case update
Group: S-Trains Message: 43489 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: track
Group: S-Trains Message: 43490 From: Bruce Papky Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Lettering Removal...B&O Docksider
Group: S-Trains Message: 43491 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: SHS track/local train store
Group: S-Trains Message: 43492 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Re: Warning Ebay 322 question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43493 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/18/2007
Subject: Re: Warning Ebay 322 question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43494 From: RCESpeak Date: 2/18/2007
Subject: SHS track/local train store
Group: S-Trains Message: 43495 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/18/2007
Subject: Re: [toytrains] basket case update
Group: S-Trains Message: 43496 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 2/18/2007
Subject: Re;SHS track/local train store
Group: S-Trains Message: 43497 From: Andrew Date: 2/18/2007
Subject: 751 A
Group: S-Trains Message: 43498 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 2/18/2007
Subject: Re: SHS track
Group: S-Trains Message: 43499 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Questions on SIT tuneup
Group: S-Trains Message: 43500 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Accessory Lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43501 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Re: Questions on SIT tuneup
Group: S-Trains Message: 43502 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43503 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43504 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43505 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43506 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43507 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43508 From: Phil K Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Coors Silver Bullet choo-choo
Group: S-Trains Message: 43509 From: Roy Inman Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Re: Coors Silver Bullet choo-choo
Group: S-Trains Message: 43510 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Re: coors Silver bullit
Group: S-Trains Message: 43511 From: John Degnan Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: WANTED : Heimburger House Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 43512 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Re: Coors Silver Bullet choo-choo
Group: S-Trains Message: 43513 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43514 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting/bad spelling
Group: S-Trains Message: 43515 From: tom oglesby Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Re: WANTED : Heimburger House Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 43516 From: Scott Freeman Date: 2/20/2007
Subject: #200 Boys at Crossing Gate
Group: S-Trains Message: 43517 From: Dan Greenberg Date: 2/20/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43518 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 2/20/2007
Subject: Re: Coors Silver Bullet choo-choo and WGH on Tour
Group: S-Trains Message: 43519 From: Alan Evans Date: 2/20/2007
Subject: Kit for Lionel Northern Smoke repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 43520 From: Dan Greenberg Date: 2/20/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43521 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/20/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43522 From: Phil K Date: 2/20/2007
Subject: To all moderators
Group: S-Trains Message: 43523 From: maobuch@sbcglobal.net Date: 2/20/2007
Subject: Accessory Lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43524 From: Scott Freeman Date: 2/20/2007
Subject: Dealer display
Group: S-Trains Message: 43525 From: John Degnan Date: 2/20/2007
Subject: FOUND : SCENERY UNLIMITED SF Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 43526 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/20/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43527 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 2/20/2007
Subject: Warning Ebay AF21105 ALUMINUM DRIVERS 1958
Group: S-Trains Message: 43529 From: Phil K Date: 2/20/2007
Subject: Wanted -- cars from SHS 3-car Fruit Growers Express reefer set
Group: S-Trains Message: 43530 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 2/21/2007
Subject: Coors Silver Bullet choo-choo
Group: S-Trains Message: 43531 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 2/21/2007
Subject: For Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 43532 From: Chris Date: 2/21/2007
Subject: 312 - Service Needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 43533 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 2/21/2007
Subject: American Models Bell and Whistle Activator
Group: S-Trains Message: 43534 From: Mark Preman Date: 2/21/2007
Subject: Preman's Greening, a sequel to Miller's Crossing?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43535 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/21/2007
Subject: Re: 312 - Service Needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 43536 From: Phil K Date: 2/21/2007
Subject: Re: 312 - Service Needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 43537 From: Phil K Date: 2/21/2007
Subject: Repair information site is terrific
Group: S-Trains Message: 43538 From: Chris Date: 2/21/2007
Subject: Re: Coors Silver Bullet choo-choo
Group: S-Trains Message: 43539 From: Chris Date: 2/21/2007
Subject: Re: FOUND : SCENERY UNLIMITED SF Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 43540 From: John Degnan Date: 2/21/2007
Subject: And speaking of ATSF Offset-Cupola cabs...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43541 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/21/2007
Subject: 1947
Group: S-Trains Message: 43542 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/21/2007
Subject: Hand cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 43543 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/22/2007
Subject: Fwd: yeah WASNT MUCH YOU WERE TAUGHT? EXAMPLE
Group: S-Trains Message: 43544 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 2/22/2007
Subject: Re: American Models Bell and Whistle Activator
Group: S-Trains Message: 43545 From: pete Date: 2/22/2007
Subject: s scale decals -- NYC steam
Group: S-Trains Message: 43546 From: Jerry Matsick Date: 2/23/2007
Subject: Attend a Train Show at Home!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43547 From: Alex Sibbald Date: 2/23/2007
Subject: accessory lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43548 From: RCESpeak Date: 2/23/2007
Subject: accessory lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43549 From: rdgroup427 Date: 2/23/2007
Subject: Color for Rocket Engines
Group: S-Trains Message: 43550 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/23/2007
Subject: Re: accessory lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43551 From: Alex Sibbald Date: 2/23/2007
Subject: Re: accessory lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43552 From: Alex Sibbald Date: 2/23/2007
Subject: accessory lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43553 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/23/2007
Subject: Re: accessory lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43554 From: Bill Lane Date: 2/24/2007
Subject: Lanes Trains website update
Group: S-Trains Message: 43555 From: cindynovak2003 Date: 2/24/2007
Subject: the layout made it!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43556 From: Art Shifrin Date: 2/24/2007
Subject: long lives for incandescent bulbs
Group: S-Trains Message: 43557 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/24/2007
Subject: Re: accessory lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43558 From: Dan Greenberg Date: 2/24/2007
Subject: Train Crash in UK
Group: S-Trains Message: 43559 From: Dan Greenberg Date: 2/24/2007
Subject: Re: accessory lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43560 From: Jerry Poniatowski Date: 2/24/2007
Subject: parts needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 43561 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 2/24/2007
Subject: ALTON LIMITED
Group: S-Trains Message: 43562 From: Dan Greenberg Date: 2/24/2007
Subject: Re: accessory lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43563 From: Al Paolozzi Date: 2/24/2007
Subject: ZW Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43564 From: Dick Kuepper Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: ZW Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43565 From: roninscho9 Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: e mails bounced
Group: S-Trains Message: 43566 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: E8s
Group: S-Trains Message: 43567 From: romoyer@att.net Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: Flyer Set ID Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 43568 From: RCESpeak Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: Chat Room difficulties
Group: S-Trains Message: 43569 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer Set ID Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 43570 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: Chat room
Group: S-Trains Message: 43571 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: No CHAT !
Group: S-Trains Message: 43572 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: Temporary chat room here!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43573 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: Re: Chat Room
Group: S-Trains Message: 43574 From: David Dewey Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: Lost soul here
Group: S-Trains Message: 43575 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: Re: Chat Room difficulties
Group: S-Trains Message: 43576 From: wc johnson Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: Chat
Group: S-Trains Message: 43577 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer Set ID Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 43578 From: Robert A Persing Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: Re: Chat Room difficulties
Group: S-Trains Message: 43579 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: OFF TOPIC MODEL AIRPLANES - YORK
Group: S-Trains Message: 43580 From: John Degnan Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: STILL HUNTING...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43581 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 2/26/2007
Subject: Re: E8s
Group: S-Trains Message: 43582 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/26/2007
Subject: Ebay item....now here is quite the re-wire!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43583 From: Phil K Date: 2/26/2007
Subject: Re: Ebay item....now here is quite the re-wire!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43584 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 2/26/2007
Subject: Re: Ebay item....now here is quite the re-wire!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43585 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 2/26/2007
Subject: Re: Ebay item....now here is quite the re-wire!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43586 From: roy inman Date: 2/26/2007
Subject: SHS track
Group: S-Trains Message: 43587 From: geep39 Date: 2/26/2007
Subject: Re; Quite the Re-Wire!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43588 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/26/2007
Subject: Re: SHS track
Group: S-Trains Message: 43589 From: WEG138@aol.com Date: 2/26/2007
Subject: Re: Your ZW tranny
Group: S-Trains Message: 43590 From: Bill Lane Date: 2/27/2007
Subject: issues with new S Scale products
Group: S-Trains Message: 43591 From: roy inman Date: 2/27/2007
Subject: Re: SHS track-Thanks :)
Group: S-Trains Message: 43592 From: frank emiro Date: 2/27/2007
Subject: Re: issues with new S Scale products
Group: S-Trains Message: 43593 From: Scaler164@comcast.net Date: 2/27/2007
Subject: Re: [S Scale Model Railroading] issues with new S Scale products
Group: S-Trains Message: 43594 From: William Porter Date: 2/27/2007
Subject: Caboose Conversion Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43595 From: Robert Boring Date: 2/27/2007
Subject: Steam Train Ride
Group: S-Trains Message: 43596 From: Alan Evans Date: 2/27/2007
Subject: BLATANT ADVERTISEMENT - A PEEK AT THE 2007 S SPREE CAR
Group: S-Trains Message: 43597 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/28/2007
Subject: tca denver
Group: S-Trains Message: 43598 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 2/28/2007
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 43599 From: Mark Preman Date: 2/28/2007
Subject: Basic Maintenance and Repairs
Group: S-Trains Message: 43600 From: Edward G. Date: 2/28/2007
Subject: Another great Wire job ......
Group: S-Trains Message: 43601 From: Edward G. Date: 2/28/2007
Subject: More on the Continuing Saga of MTH and the Big L
Group: S-Trains Message: 43602 From: Alan Evans Date: 3/1/2007
Subject: FW: BLATANT ADVERTISEMENT - A PEEK AT THE 2007 S SPREE CAR
Group: S-Trains Message: 43603 From: Mark Preman Date: 3/1/2007
Subject: For the Moderator's File
Group: S-Trains Message: 43604 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 3/1/2007
Subject: Badger Acrylic Paint
Group: S-Trains Message: 43605 From: roy inman Date: 3/1/2007
Subject: NASG promo stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 43606 From: ken garber Date: 3/1/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NASG promo stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 43607 From: roy inman Date: 3/1/2007
Subject: FW: {S-Scale List} NASG promo stuff-good suggestion
Group: S-Trains Message: 43608 From: ken garber Date: 3/1/2007
Subject: Re: FW: {S-Scale List} NASG promo stuff-good suggestion
Group: S-Trains Message: 43609 From: roy inman Date: 3/2/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NASG promo stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 43610 From: William Porter Date: 3/2/2007
Subject: Portlines
Group: S-Trains Message: 43611 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 3/2/2007
Subject: USE BURMA SHAVE
Group: S-Trains Message: 43612 From: Bruce D. Willis Date: 3/2/2007
Subject: Loose Wheel Repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 43613 From: frank emiro Date: 3/2/2007
Subject: Re: Portlines
Group: S-Trains Message: 43614 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/2/2007
Subject: Inventory Reduction Sale, Detroit Area Train Show
Group: S-Trains Message: 43615 From: Phil K Date: 3/2/2007
Subject: Re: Portlines
Group: S-Trains Message: 43616 From: trainman634 Date: 3/2/2007
Subject: Needham Packing Company
Group: S-Trains Message: 43617 From: kenwoodies1 Date: 3/3/2007
Subject: Re: Needham Packing Company
Group: S-Trains Message: 43618 From: George Cohn Date: 3/3/2007
Subject: Re: Portlines
Group: S-Trains Message: 43619 From: amflyrguy Date: 3/3/2007
Subject: Wall scenery
Group: S-Trains Message: 43620 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 3/3/2007
Subject: Re: Needham Packing Company
Group: S-Trains Message: 43621 From: Donald Thompson Date: 3/3/2007
Subject: Re: Needham Packing Company
Group: S-Trains Message: 43622 From: Mark Preman Date: 3/3/2007
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 43623 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/3/2007
Subject: Re: Wall scenery
Group: S-Trains Message: 43624 From: coronetbb Date: 3/3/2007
Subject: Train Show Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 43625 From: rj4010d Date: 3/3/2007
Subject: Santa Fe B unit / railsounds
Group: S-Trains Message: 43626 From: rj4010d Date: 3/3/2007
Subject: Smoke fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 43627 From: Bradley Date: 3/4/2007
Subject: All Aboard Website
Group: S-Trains Message: 43628 From: Bill Lane Date: 3/4/2007
Subject: page update
Group: S-Trains Message: 43629 From: Chris Date: 3/5/2007
Subject: Chat? What Chat?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43630 From: Alan Evans Date: 3/5/2007
Subject: Locking AM engines for AC layout blocks
Group: S-Trains Message: 43631 From: Dave W Date: 3/5/2007
Subject: Flyer Atlantic w/valve gear?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43632 From: race944t Date: 3/5/2007
Subject: York badges
Group: S-Trains Message: 43633 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 3/5/2007
Subject: Re: York badges
Group: S-Trains Message: 43634 From: Steve Lunde Date: 3/6/2007
Subject: MTH Smoke Units
Group: S-Trains Message: 43635 From: cucountry1 Date: 3/6/2007
Subject: fraudulent bidder on ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 43636 From: Tim Benner Date: 3/6/2007
Subject: Re: Questions on SIT tuneup
Group: S-Trains Message: 43637 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/6/2007
Subject: Re: fraudulent bidder on ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 43638 From: Carl Date: 3/6/2007
Subject: To introduce myself
Group: S-Trains Message: 43639 From: Al Paolozzi Date: 3/6/2007
Subject: March April S-gaugian
Group: S-Trains Message: 43640 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/6/2007
Subject: Missing group emails?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43641 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/6/2007
Subject: Re: fraudulent bidder on ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 43642 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 3/7/2007
Subject: Re: To introduce myself
Group: S-Trains Message: 43643 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 3/7/2007
Subject: Re: MTH Smoke Units
Group: S-Trains Message: 43644 From: RCESpeak Date: 3/7/2007
Subject: To introduce myself
Group: S-Trains Message: 43645 From: RCESpeak Date: 3/7/2007
Subject: March April S-gaugian
Group: S-Trains Message: 43646 From: trainman634 Date: 3/7/2007
Subject: Lionel or K-Line Trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 43647 From: Al Baker Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: Removing Dry Transfers
Group: S-Trains Message: 43648 From: Al Paolozzi Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: Re: March April S-gaugian
Group: S-Trains Message: 43649 From: cindynovak2003 Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: pictures of how we moved our layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 43650 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: Re: Removing Dry Transfers
Group: S-Trains Message: 43651 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: Flyonel Erie Pacific
Group: S-Trains Message: 43652 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Erie Pacific
Group: S-Trains Message: 43653 From: Andy Klarmann Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: Flyer HO?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43654 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer HO?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43655 From: Bill Adams Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: Belated Thanks
Group: S-Trains Message: 43656 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: For Trade: SHS Billboard Reefer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43657 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Erie Pacific
Group: S-Trains Message: 43658 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel or K-Line Trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 43659 From: Rick Evans Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel or K-Line Trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 43660 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: Re: Belated Thanks
Group: S-Trains Message: 43661 From: Alex Sibbald Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: paint
Group: S-Trains Message: 43662 From: John Degnan Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: Frenchman River Model Works
Group: S-Trains Message: 43663 From: boblines51 Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: reverse loop switch
Group: S-Trains Message: 43664 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 3/9/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer HO?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43665 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 3/9/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel Erie Pacific
Group: S-Trains Message: 43666 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 3/9/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer HO?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43667 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 3/9/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer HO?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43668 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 3/9/2007
Subject: Re: MTH Smoke Units
Group: S-Trains Message: 43669 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 3/9/2007
Subject: Re: MTH Smoke Units
Group: S-Trains Message: 43670 From: Robert Ahrens Date: 3/9/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer HO?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43671 From: Phil K Date: 3/9/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer HO?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43672 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 3/9/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer HO?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43673 From: Paul4Schil@aol.com Date: 3/9/2007
Subject: Rapido Car Lighting System
Group: S-Trains Message: 43674 From: gpmlg@aol.com Date: 3/10/2007
Subject: Repairing the New Northerns
Group: S-Trains Message: 43675 From: Tim Benner Date: 3/10/2007
Subject: 312 boiler front
Group: S-Trains Message: 43676 From: Phil K Date: 3/10/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer HO?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43677 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 3/10/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer HO?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43678 From: Phil K Date: 3/10/2007
Subject: 3/16" scale
Group: S-Trains Message: 43679 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 3/10/2007
Subject: Re: 312 boiler front
Group: S-Trains Message: 43680 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 3/10/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer HO?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43681 From: Phil K Date: 3/10/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer HO?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43682 From: frank emiro Date: 3/10/2007
Subject: Re: Repairing the New Northerns
Group: S-Trains Message: 43683 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 3/10/2007
Subject: link to this site
Group: S-Trains Message: 43684 From: Michael Lueck Date: 3/10/2007
Subject: Hello Again
Group: S-Trains Message: 43685 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 3/11/2007
Subject: Can of worms
Group: S-Trains Message: 43686 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 3/11/2007
Subject: Movies with trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 43687 From: David Engle Date: 3/11/2007
Subject: Re: [S Scale Model Railroading] Re: History of "S"
Group: S-Trains Message: 43688 From: Rick Evans Date: 3/11/2007
Subject: Re: Movies with trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 43689 From: Donald Thompson Date: 3/11/2007
Subject: Re: History of "S"
Group: S-Trains Message: 43690 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/11/2007
Subject: Re: [S Scale Model Railroading] Re: History of "S"
Group: S-Trains Message: 43691 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 3/11/2007
Subject: Re: Can of worms, A "History" of S
Group: S-Trains Message: 43692 From: Gale Hall Date: 3/11/2007
Subject: History
Group: S-Trains Message: 43693 From: kenwoodies1 Date: 3/11/2007
Subject: Re: Hello Again
Group: S-Trains Message: 43694 From: Bruce Papky Date: 3/11/2007
Subject: AM's S-12 Baldwin Switcher
Group: S-Trains Message: 43695 From: bandmancwc Date: 3/11/2007
Subject: A dumb question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43696 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/11/2007
Subject: Re: Movies with trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 43697 From: Donald Thompson Date: 3/11/2007
Subject: Re: History of "S"
Group: S-Trains Message: 43698 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 3/12/2007
Subject: Re: A dumb question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43699 From: trainman634 Date: 3/12/2007
Subject: 900 Series Boxcars
Group: S-Trains Message: 43700 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 3/12/2007
Subject: Still For Trade: SHS Billboard Reefer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43701 From: cucountry1 Date: 3/12/2007
Subject: fraudulent ebay bidder decision
Group: S-Trains Message: 43702 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/12/2007
Subject: Re: Can of worms, A "History" of S
Group: S-Trains Message: 43703 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 3/12/2007
Subject: Re: fraudulent ebay bidder decision
Group: S-Trains Message: 43704 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 3/12/2007
Subject: Re: Can of worms, A "History" of S
Group: S-Trains Message: 43705 From: George Cohn Date: 3/12/2007
Subject: Re: fraudulent ebay bidder decision
Group: S-Trains Message: 43706 From: bkweidner Date: 3/12/2007
Subject: Model railroading with diabetes
Group: S-Trains Message: 43707 From: roy inman Date: 3/12/2007
Subject: Corgi trolleys
Group: S-Trains Message: 43708 From: Mark Preman Date: 3/13/2007
Subject: Corgi Trolleys - PA Heritage Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 43709 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 3/13/2007
Subject: Re: Corgi trolleys
Group: S-Trains Message: 43710 From: trainman634 Date: 3/13/2007
Subject: Five Number Boxcars
Group: S-Trains Message: 43711 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 3/13/2007
Subject: SHS Billboard Reefer Trade Completed
Group: S-Trains Message: 43712 From: T Larson Date: 3/13/2007
Subject: trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 43713 From: Scaler164@comcast.net Date: 3/13/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 43714 From: kenwoodies1 Date: 3/13/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 43715 From: N Becker Date: 3/13/2007
Subject: Corgi trolleys
Group: S-Trains Message: 43716 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 3/13/2007
Subject: 343 boiler casting
Group: S-Trains Message: 43717 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/13/2007
Subject: What is a 21084, and a 287 Loco ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43718 From: Phil K Date: 3/13/2007
Subject: Re: What is a 21084, and a 287 Loco ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43719 From: Phil K Date: 3/13/2007
Subject: Re: What is a 21084, and a 287 Loco ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43720 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/13/2007
Subject: Selling my Gilbert AF collection.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43721 From: Harold Geyer Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: truck change out
Group: S-Trains Message: 43722 From: David Dewey Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: Missing Chat & the group
Group: S-Trains Message: 43723 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: Re: What is a 21084, and a 287 Loco ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43724 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: Cleveland Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 43725 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: Re: Cleveland Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 43726 From: Art Kimmel Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: Driver Whitewalls!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43727 From: Art Kimmel Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: New Pictures up
Group: S-Trains Message: 43728 From: bw_hansen Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: Arch Bar trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 43729 From: Jerry Poniatowski Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: Re: truck change out
Group: S-Trains Message: 43730 From: Phil K Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: Re: New Pictures up
Group: S-Trains Message: 43731 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: Re: Cleveland Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 43732 From: ljack70117@adelphia.net Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: Re: truck change out
Group: S-Trains Message: 43733 From: Alan Evans Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: Spring S Spree Approaching!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43734 From: John Degnan Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: AM/NASG Heavyweights FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains Message: 43735 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: The Worlds Greatest Hobby on tour
Group: S-Trains Message: 43736 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 3/15/2007
Subject: The Worlds Greatest Hobby on tour
Group: S-Trains Message: 43737 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/15/2007
Subject: Re: SMOKE FLUID BLANTANT AD!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43738 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 3/15/2007
Subject: OLD GAS STATIONS
Group: S-Trains Message: 43740 From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build Date: 3/15/2007
Subject: Coincidence?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43741 From: John Degnan Date: 3/15/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} OLD GAS STATIONS
Group: S-Trains Message: 43742 From: John Degnan Date: 3/15/2007
Subject: Re: AM/NASG Heavyweights FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains Message: 43743 From: Robert Boring Date: 3/15/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Coincidence?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43744 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/16/2007
Subject: Re: fraudulent ebay bidder decision
Group: S-Trains Message: 43745 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/16/2007
Subject: Re: SMOKE FLUID BLANTANT AD!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43746 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 3/16/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Coincidence?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43747 From: T Larson Date: 3/16/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 43748 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/16/2007
Subject: 3/16 Day
Group: S-Trains Message: 43749 From: Jeff Silvera Date: 3/16/2007
Subject: 3/16 day
Group: S-Trains Message: 43750 From: Robert Boring Date: 3/16/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 43751 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 3/17/2007
Subject: Re: Spring S Spree Approaching!! - I am skipping York, and going t
Group: S-Trains Message: 43752 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/17/2007
Subject: . . . . I am skipping York, and going to my first S Spree!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43753 From: Tim Benner Date: 3/17/2007
Subject: More smoke in reverse syndrome
Group: S-Trains Message: 43754 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 3/18/2007
Subject: S Spree...I'll be there too!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43755 From: Chris Date: 3/18/2007
Subject: 3/16/64
Group: S-Trains Message: 43756 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 3/18/2007
Subject: Worlds Greatest Hobby on Tour
Group: S-Trains Message: 43757 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 3/18/2007
Subject: Re: Worlds Greatest Hobby on Tour
Group: S-Trains Message: 43758 From: Bob Morrison Date: 3/18/2007
Subject: Re: Spring S Spree Approaching!! - I am skipping York, and going to
Group: S-Trains Message: 43759 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 3/18/2007
Subject: Re: More smoke in reverse syndrome
Group: S-Trains Message: 43760 From: George Cohn Date: 3/18/2007
Subject: Re: Worlds Greatest Hobby on Tour
Group: S-Trains Message: 43761 From: Donald Thompson Date: 3/18/2007
Subject: Re: Worlds Greatest Hobby on Tour
Group: S-Trains Message: 43762 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/18/2007
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] How to Box a Merchandiser
Group: S-Trains Message: 43763 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 3/18/2007
Subject: Re: More smoke in reverse syndrome
Group: S-Trains Message: 43764 From: Rick Evans Date: 3/18/2007
Subject: an eBay funny
Group: S-Trains Message: 43765 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 3/19/2007
Subject: Re: More smoke in reverse syndrome
Group: S-Trains Message: 43766 From: Marty.Thorin Date: 3/19/2007
Subject: Re: an eBay funny
Group: S-Trains Message: 43767 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 3/19/2007
Subject: Re: reverse syndrome
Group: S-Trains Message: 43768 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/19/2007
Subject: Wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 43769 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 3/19/2007
Subject: values
Group: S-Trains Message: 43770 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/19/2007
Subject: Re: Wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 43771 From: Gale Hall Date: 3/19/2007
Subject: eBay funnies
Group: S-Trains Message: 43772 From: lvtrainmeet Date: 3/19/2007
Subject: Sell your extra train items
Group: S-Trains Message: 43773 From: bphent Date: 3/20/2007
Subject: I'm new here, and I welcome feedback!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43774 From: romoyer@att.net Date: 3/20/2007
Subject: Thanks and another question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43775 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 3/20/2007
Subject: TCA Convention in Denver
Group: S-Trains Message: 43776 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 3/20/2007
Subject: Pine Canyon News Advert
Group: S-Trains Message: 43777 From: Alan Evans Date: 3/20/2007
Subject: 2007 S Spree --MORE than just a "Train Show"
Group: S-Trains Message: 43778 From: Mark Preman Date: 3/21/2007
Subject: values
Group: S-Trains Message: 43779 From: lne1957 Date: 3/21/2007
Subject: wheelset exchange
Group: S-Trains Message: 43781 From: David Date: 3/21/2007
Subject: Lionel track for American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43782 From: Alex Sibbald Date: 3/22/2007
Subject: drive-in
Group: S-Trains Message: 43783 From: roy inman Date: 3/22/2007
Subject: FW: KCS to unveil new locomotives in KC next month
Group: S-Trains Message: 43784 From: roy inman Date: 3/22/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel track for American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43785 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 3/22/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel track for American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43786 From: Michael Self Date: 3/23/2007
Subject: power to motor
Group: S-Trains Message: 43787 From: aagaardtheviking Date: 3/25/2007
Subject: 30B Transformer Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 43788 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 3/26/2007
Subject: 30B Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43789 From: Alan Evans Date: 3/26/2007
Subject: ALL S GAUGE SHOW ADVERTISEMENT
Group: S-Trains Message: 43790 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/26/2007
Subject: Curiosity about Rocket and Comet B Units on Ebay -
Group: S-Trains Message: 43791 From: Phil K Date: 3/26/2007
Subject: Re: Curiosity about Rocket and Comet B Units on Ebay -
Group: S-Trains Message: 43792 From: Donald Thompson Date: 3/26/2007
Subject: Re: Curiosity about Rocket and Comet B Units on Ebay -
Group: S-Trains Message: 43793 From: Michael Stanton Date: 3/26/2007
Subject: 8th Annual Flyer Fest West
Group: S-Trains Message: 43794 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/26/2007
Subject: Re: Curiosity about Rocket and Comet B Units on Ebay -
Group: S-Trains Message: 43795 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 3/27/2007
Subject: Re: Curiosity about Rocket and Comet B Units on Ebay -
Group: S-Trains Message: 43796 From: N Becker Date: 3/27/2007
Subject: 30B Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43797 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 3/27/2007
Subject: Re: 1955 ALCo B units
Group: S-Trains Message: 43798 From: Harold Geyer Date: 3/27/2007
Subject: AF parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 43799 From: Phil K Date: 3/27/2007
Subject: Re: AF parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 43800 From: Phil K Date: 3/27/2007
Subject: Re: Curiosity about Rocket and Comet B Units on Ebay -
Group: S-Trains Message: 43802 From: whtrainman Date: 3/27/2007
Subject: Re: Curiosity about Rocket and Comet B Units on Ebay -
Group: S-Trains Message: 43803 From: George Cohn Date: 3/27/2007
Subject: Re: Curiosity about Rocket and Comet B Units on Ebay -
Group: S-Trains Message: 43804 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 3/28/2007
Subject: S-spree
Group: S-Trains Message: 43805 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 3/28/2007
Subject: Re: [TCA_members_group] Question about York.]
Group: S-Trains Message: 43807 From: lvtrainmeet Date: 3/28/2007
Subject: Lots of Flyer At Allentown Pa Train Meet
Group: S-Trains Message: 43817 From: George Cohn Date: 3/28/2007
Subject: Multiple e-mails
Group: S-Trains Message: 43841 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/29/2007
Subject: Re: YAHOO
Group: S-Trains Message: 43844 From: Phil K Date: 3/29/2007
Subject: From Yahoo regarding multiple emails...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43845 From: Phil K Date: 3/29/2007
Subject: Update from Yahoo! re: email
Group: S-Trains Message: 43846 From: Richard Karnes Date: 3/29/2007
Subject: Mobley Library vacation
Group: S-Trains Message: 43847 From: Chris Date: 3/29/2007
Subject: Warning
Group: S-Trains Message: 43848 From: Chris Date: 3/29/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel track for American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43849 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 3/30/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel track for American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43850 From: Rick Evans Date: 3/30/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel track for American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43851 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 3/30/2007
Subject: Archive address?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43852 From: Phil K Date: 3/30/2007
Subject: Re: Archive address?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43853 From: trainman634 Date: 3/31/2007
Subject: Tab & Screw Sheet Metal Boxcar Frame
Group: S-Trains Message: 43854 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/31/2007
Subject: 470 help, mystery?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43855 From: srgriggs Date: 3/31/2007
Subject: Re: 470 help, mystery?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43856 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/31/2007
Subject: Re: 470 help, mystery?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43857 From: David A. Highfield Date: 3/31/2007
Subject: video of NS train 951 led by restored F units
Group: S-Trains Message: 43858 From: srgriggs Date: 3/31/2007
Subject: Re: Curiosity about Rocket and Comet B Units on Ebay -
Group: S-Trains Message: 43859 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/31/2007
Subject: Re: 470 help, mystery?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43860 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 4/1/2007
Subject: Spring S Spree '07
Group: S-Trains Message: 43861 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/1/2007
Subject: Train-Liquor Store
Group: S-Trains Message: 43862 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/1/2007
Subject: Re: Spring S Spree '07
Group: S-Trains Message: 43863 From: SnSTrains@aol.com Date: 4/1/2007
Subject: Web site address change
Group: S-Trains Message: 43864 From: louis glumac Date: 4/1/2007
Subject: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains Message: 43865 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: Re: transformers
Group: S-Trains Message: 43866 From: Bruce D. Willis Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: ebay and the IRS
Group: S-Trains Message: 43867 From: Phil K Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: eBay income is taxable...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43868 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: Re: ebay and the IRS
Group: S-Trains Message: 43869 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: taxes
Group: S-Trains Message: 43870 From: roy inman Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: Re: taxes
Group: S-Trains Message: 43871 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: Re: ebay and the IRS
Group: S-Trains Message: 43872 From: roy inman Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: Re: ebay and the IRS
Group: S-Trains Message: 43873 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: Re: ebay and the IRS
Group: S-Trains Message: 43874 From: Mark Preman Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale - Your ebay Alternative
Group: S-Trains Message: 43875 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: Re: TAXES
Group: S-Trains Message: 43876 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: Re: Spring S Spree '07
Group: S-Trains Message: 43877 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: Re: ebay and the IRS
Group: S-Trains Message: 43878 From: Phil K Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: Re: ebay and the IRS
Group: S-Trains Message: 43879 From: bkweidner Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: New Train Forum
Group: S-Trains Message: 43880 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: Re: Spring S Spree '07
Group: S-Trains Message: 43881 From: roy inman Date: 4/3/2007
Subject: Re: ebay and the IRS-and alternative
Group: S-Trains Message: 43882 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/3/2007
Subject: SPEED
Group: S-Trains Message: 43883 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 4/3/2007
Subject: Re: transformers
Group: S-Trains Message: 43884 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 4/3/2007
Subject: Not Train Related But -
Group: S-Trains Message: 43885 From: Edward G. Date: 4/3/2007
Subject: Trains & The Trailer Park Boys...??????
Group: S-Trains Message: 43886 From: Phil K Date: 4/3/2007
Subject: Re: video of NS train 951 led by restored F units
Group: S-Trains Message: 43887 From: Chris Date: 4/3/2007
Subject: From Google
Group: S-Trains Message: 43888 From: G-WOLFGANG5@JUNO.COM Date: 4/3/2007
Subject: Re: Booze and trains store
Group: S-Trains Message: 43889 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/3/2007
Subject: Thank A Chicken!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43890 From: Tom Hawley Date: 4/3/2007
Subject: Re: SPEED
Group: S-Trains Message: 43891 From: flyer_af Date: 4/3/2007
Subject: Buildup of Track Crud
Group: S-Trains Message: 43892 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 4/4/2007
Subject: Buildup of Crud - Part 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 43893 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/4/2007
Subject: Re: Booze and trains store
Group: S-Trains Message: 43894 From: Michael Lueck Date: 4/4/2007
Subject: Re: Buildup of Crud - Part 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 43895 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/4/2007
Subject: Check out eBay: American Flyer Train Set 20218 Nm-MIB Quality++++++
Group: S-Trains Message: 43896 From: John Degnan Date: 4/4/2007
Subject: 1/64 Scale Cars For Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 43897 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/4/2007
Subject: Re: Check out eBay: American Flyer Train Set 20218 Nm-MIB Quality++
Group: S-Trains Message: 43898 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/4/2007
Subject: Re: Check out eBay: American Flyer Train Set 20218 Nm-MIB Quality++
Group: S-Trains Message: 43899 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/4/2007
Subject: Emailing: www.catsupbottle.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 43900 From: ER Date: 4/4/2007
Subject: 3 items for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 43901 From: Bill and Linda Lucas Date: 4/5/2007
Subject: Buildup of Crud - Part 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 43902 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 4/5/2007
Subject: Re: Emailing: www.catsupbottle.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 43903 From: Gill W. Lott Date: 4/5/2007
Subject: Chicken, fries, catsup & indigestion!!! a blatant add!!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43904 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 4/5/2007
Subject: OFF LIST: Lionel Engine Repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 43905 From: Phil K Date: 4/5/2007
Subject: Re: OFF LIST: Lionel Engine Repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 43906 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 4/5/2007
Subject: Track diameter
Group: S-Trains Message: 43907 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 4/5/2007
Subject: Re: Buildup of Crud - Part 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 43908 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 4/5/2007
Subject: Re: Track diameter
Group: S-Trains Message: 43909 From: Donald Thompson Date: 4/6/2007
Subject: Re: S gaugers in Thailand
Group: S-Trains Message: 43910 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 4/6/2007
Subject: Track diameter
Group: S-Trains Message: 43911 From: Robert Graves Date: 4/6/2007
Subject: B&O Joins The Gilbert Gallery - a few Pictures needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 43912 From: Chris Date: 4/6/2007
Subject: Resolution of my case on e-Bay/Pay-Pal
Group: S-Trains Message: 43913 From: Chris Date: 4/7/2007
Subject: Re: u lost
Group: S-Trains Message: 43914 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/7/2007
Subject: ANIMATED TRACK GANGS......
Group: S-Trains Message: 43915 From: srgriggs Date: 4/7/2007
Subject: AM switch/switch machine problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 43916 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 4/7/2007
Subject: Re: AM switch/switch machine problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 43917 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 4/7/2007
Subject: Re: u lost
Group: S-Trains Message: 43918 From: Chris Date: 4/7/2007
Subject: Sorry to list members
Group: S-Trains Message: 43919 From: Chris Date: 4/8/2007
Subject: Mike Marmer's Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 43920 From: Phil K Date: 4/8/2007
Subject: Re: Sorry to list members
Group: S-Trains Message: 43921 From: Wayne Zebron Date: 4/8/2007
Subject: crossover
Group: S-Trains Message: 43922 From: Michael Lueck Date: 4/8/2007
Subject: Re: crossover
Group: S-Trains Message: 43923 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/8/2007
Subject: Re: Sorry to list members
Group: S-Trains Message: 43924 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/8/2007
Subject: Re: Mike Marmer's Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 43925 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 4/9/2007
Subject: Re: crossover
Group: S-Trains Message: 43926 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 4/9/2007
Subject: Re: crossover
Group: S-Trains Message: 43927 From: Tim Brown Date: 4/9/2007
Subject: My new layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 43928 From: RCESpeak Date: 4/9/2007
Subject: York Arrangements
Group: S-Trains Message: 43929 From: RCESpeak Date: 4/9/2007
Subject: York Arrangements
Group: S-Trains Message: 43930 From: lvtrainmeet Date: 4/9/2007
Subject: Nice train Meet in Allentown Pa this weekend
Group: S-Trains Message: 43931 From: Tim Brown Date: 4/10/2007
Subject: Latch relays
Group: S-Trains Message: 43932 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 4/10/2007
Subject: Fwd: [Lionel_PostwarTrains] Girls Train Set sold for 18 G's
Group: S-Trains Message: 43933 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/10/2007
Subject: Re: My new layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 43934 From: Carl Date: 4/10/2007
Subject: Latching relays etc.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43935 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 4/10/2007
Subject: SET LIKE NEW
Group: S-Trains Message: 43936 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 4/10/2007
Subject: Fwd: [Lionel_PostwarTrains] Girls Train Set sold for 18 G's
Group: S-Trains Message: 43937 From: Edward G. Date: 4/11/2007
Subject: Something "NEW"...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43938 From: Tim Brown Date: 4/11/2007
Subject: Track bending
Group: S-Trains Message: 43939 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 4/11/2007
Subject: Something new.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43940 From: tedcanflyer Date: 4/11/2007
Subject: repro AF brakeman and Colber tower repairman
Group: S-Trains Message: 43941 From: kenwoodies1 Date: 4/12/2007
Subject: Re: Something "NEW"...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43942 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 4/12/2007
Subject: Re: repro AF brakeman and Colber tower repairman
Group: S-Trains Message: 43943 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 4/12/2007
Subject: Re: Something "NEW"...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43944 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/12/2007
Subject: YORK WEATHER FORECAST
Group: S-Trains Message: 43945 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/12/2007
Subject: forecast sunday thru wed
Group: S-Trains Message: 43946 From: Tim Brown Date: 4/12/2007
Subject: TMCC/DCC
Group: S-Trains Message: 43947 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/12/2007
Subject: Re: Something new.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43948 From: George Cohn Date: 4/12/2007
Subject: Re: Something "NEW"...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43949 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 4/12/2007
Subject: Re: Something "NEW"...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43950 From: Scott Freeman Date: 4/12/2007
Subject: Re: Something "NEW"...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43951 From: Phil K Date: 4/12/2007
Subject: eBay: 20048 set in mint condition with fiber panels
Group: S-Trains Message: 43952 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 4/13/2007
Subject: Mini-review, Alton Ltd.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43953 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 4/13/2007
Subject: TMCC/DCC
Group: S-Trains Message: 43954 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 4/13/2007
Subject: Railroad Artwork (slightly OT)
Group: S-Trains Message: 43955 From: Tim Brown Date: 4/13/2007
Subject: Atlas Snap Relays
Group: S-Trains Message: 43956 From: William Porter Date: 4/13/2007
Subject: eBay Format problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 43957 From: len_hall Date: 4/13/2007
Subject: GSAF Train Club Web Page
Group: S-Trains Message: 43958 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 4/14/2007
Subject: AF needs
Group: S-Trains Message: 43959 From: John Keating Date: 4/14/2007
Subject: Miller Power Truck
Group: S-Trains Message: 43960 From: Carl Date: 4/14/2007
Subject: AF part number
Group: S-Trains Message: 43961 From: David Dewey Date: 4/14/2007
Subject: Re: eBay: 20048 set in mint condition with fiber panels
Group: S-Trains Message: 43962 From: Firewood Date: 4/14/2007
Subject: Atlas O / Industrial rail re-gauge?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43963 From: John Degnan Date: 4/14/2007
Subject: Re: 1/64 Scale Cars For Sale : PHOTOS
Group: S-Trains Message: 43964 From: lvtrainmeet Date: 4/14/2007
Subject: Allentown pa train meet still on for sunday .Lots of S gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 43965 From: flyer_af Date: 4/14/2007
Subject: Re: Buildup of Track Crud
Group: S-Trains Message: 43966 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 4/15/2007
Subject: AF S-gauge 0-6-0 wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 43967 From: uvl97222 Date: 4/15/2007
Subject: I was looking on ebay at this item, and.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 43968 From: Carl Date: 4/15/2007
Subject: Re: AF Part number
Group: S-Trains Message: 43969 From: Carl Date: 4/15/2007
Subject: Re: ebay item 330106466366
Group: S-Trains Message: 43970 From: George Cohn Date: 4/15/2007
Subject: Re: I was looking on ebay at this item, and.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 43971 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 4/15/2007
Subject: Re: I was looking on ebay at this item, and.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 43972 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/15/2007
Subject: www.yorkrevolution.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 43973 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 4/16/2007
Subject: Re: I was looking on ebay at this item, and.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 43974 From: clayton deich Date: 4/16/2007
Subject: Re: I was looking on ebay at this item, and.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 43975 From: srgriggs Date: 4/16/2007
Subject: To those attending York
Group: S-Trains Message: 43976 From: Alex Sibbald Date: 4/17/2007
Subject: flagpole
Group: S-Trains Message: 43977 From: David Dewey Date: 4/17/2007
Subject: Re: I was looking on ebay at this item, and.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 43978 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/17/2007
Subject: NY,Ontario & Western RR
Group: S-Trains Message: 43979 From: William Porter Date: 4/17/2007
Subject: Wire Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 43980 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/17/2007
Subject: Fwd: Whats Flyionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 43981 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 4/17/2007
Subject: Re: Wire Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 43982 From: stephen Date: 4/17/2007
Subject: boys railroad club layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 43983 From: Rick Evans Date: 4/17/2007
Subject: Re: flagpole
Group: S-Trains Message: 43984 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 4/17/2007
Subject: #762, 2 in 1 Whistle Wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 43985 From: Mark Preman Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: boys railroad club layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 43986 From: Bill and Linda Lucas Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: Wire Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 43987 From: Mark Preman Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: Wire Gauge - Blatant Ad!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43988 From: Gregg Mummert Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: flagpole
Group: S-Trains Message: 43989 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: boys railroad club layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 43990 From: Chris Date: 4/19/2007
Subject: York Badge
Group: S-Trains Message: 43991 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 4/19/2007
Subject: 342 wheel
Group: S-Trains Message: 43992 From: Jollivier4@cs.com Date: 4/19/2007
Subject: looking for Flyerfest West info
Group: S-Trains Message: 43993 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 4/20/2007
Subject: Re: York Badge
Group: S-Trains Message: 43994 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 4/20/2007
Subject: TCA MEMORIES
Group: S-Trains Message: 43995 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/21/2007
Subject: Flyer Fest West 2007, 5/5/2007, 11:00 am
Group: S-Trains Message: 43996 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/21/2007
Subject: Mel Nielsen
Group: S-Trains Message: 43997 From: Michael Stanton Date: 4/21/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer Fest West 2007, 5/5/2007, 11:00 am
Group: S-Trains Message: 43998 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/21/2007
Subject: Re: Fwd: Whats Flyionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 43999 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 4/21/2007
Subject: Re: Mel Nielsen
Group: S-Trains Message: 44000 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/21/2007
Subject: Whats Flyionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 44001 From: Chris Date: 4/21/2007
Subject: York Re-Cap
Group: S-Trains Message: 44002 From: Chris Date: 4/22/2007
Subject: York Re-Cap
Group: S-Trains Message: 44003 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/22/2007
Subject: Just wondering
Group: S-Trains Message: 44004 From: Phil K Date: 4/22/2007
Subject: Re: Just wondering
Group: S-Trains Message: 44005 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/22/2007
Subject: A walk on the YORK side (or why I need to lose weight)
Group: S-Trains Message: 44006 From: Chris Date: 4/22/2007
Subject: York Re-Cap
Group: S-Trains Message: 44007 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/22/2007
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Digest Number 5587
Group: S-Trains Message: 44008 From: Rick Evans Date: 4/22/2007
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains Message: 44009 From: bphent Date: 4/22/2007
Subject: Scale-sized backdrop kits for S gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 44010 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/22/2007
Subject: Re: York Re-Cap
Group: S-Trains Message: 44011 From: knockbill Date: 4/23/2007
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains Message: 44012 From: Mark Preman Date: 4/24/2007
Subject: Surprise Mid-Month List Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 44013 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 4/24/2007
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] York
Group: S-Trains Message: 44014 From: Donald Thompson Date: 4/24/2007
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism
Group: S-Trains Message: 44015 From: smarmaro Date: 4/24/2007
Subject: boys railroad club layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 44016 From: Tim Brown Date: 4/24/2007
Subject: American S Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 44017 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 4/25/2007
Subject: Non S items - adaptable to S
Group: S-Trains Message: 44018 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/25/2007
Subject: Re: American S Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 44019 From: Tim Brown Date: 4/25/2007
Subject: DCC
Group: S-Trains Message: 44020 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Re: DCC
Group: S-Trains Message: 44021 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: RE;American S Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 44022 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Interesting Quote From an eBay Auction
Group: S-Trains Message: 44023 From: David Engle Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Looking for Someone
Group: S-Trains Message: 44024 From: Tim Brown Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Home-built S-gauge switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 44025 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: American S Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 44026 From: sd3r Date: 4/27/2007
Subject: 660 car refurbish
Group: S-Trains Message: 44027 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/27/2007
Subject: Re: American S Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 44028 From: John Gibson Date: 4/27/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3653
Group: S-Trains Message: 44029 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 4/27/2007
Subject: Re: 660 car refurbish
Group: S-Trains Message: 44030 From: Tim Brown Date: 4/27/2007
Subject: Re: American S Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 44031 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/27/2007
Subject: Re: American S Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 44032 From: LARRY MOORE Date: 4/27/2007
Subject: 751/751A log loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 44033 From: Donald Thompson Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3653
Group: S-Trains Message: 44034 From: roy inman Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: Re: American S Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 44035 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: Re: American S Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 44036 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: Re: American S Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 44037 From: Chris Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: Re: American S Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 44038 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: Re: American S Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 44039 From: sd3r Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: Re: 660 car refurbish
Group: S-Trains Message: 44040 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: A track and switch perspective...
Group: S-Trains Message: 44041 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: Flyer Fest West 2007, 5/5/2007, 11:00 am
Group: S-Trains Message: 44042 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: Re: American S Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 44043 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: Re: American S Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 44044 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: HORROR STORIES AT YORK... way off topis
Group: S-Trains Message: 44045 From: David Dewey Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: 660 car refurbish--and all steamline cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 44046 From: Donald Thompson Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: Re: HORROR STORIES AT YORK... way off topis
Group: S-Trains Message: 44047 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: HORROR STORIES AT YORK... way off topis
Group: S-Trains Message: 44048 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: Re: HORROR STORIES AT YORK... way off topis
Group: S-Trains Message: 44049 From: geep39 Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Re: Horror Stories @ York-'way off topic
Group: S-Trains Message: 44050 From: Phil K Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: York attendance
Group: S-Trains Message: 44051 From: Tim Brown Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Modelling Supplies
Group: S-Trains Message: 44052 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Re;Modeling Supplies (plastic)
Group: S-Trains Message: 44053 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Re: Modelling Supplies
Group: S-Trains Message: 44054 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Re: Modelling Supplies
Group: S-Trains Message: 44055 From: jacmarsh2 Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Thanks for the wealth onf information
Group: S-Trains Message: 44056 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Re: York attendance
Group: S-Trains Message: 44057 From: Tim Brown Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Re: Modelling Supplies
Group: S-Trains Message: 44058 From: RCESpeak Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: York Trip Report
Group: S-Trains Message: 44059 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Re: York attendance
Group: S-Trains Message: 44060 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Re: Horror Stories @ York-'way off topic
Group: S-Trains Message: 44061 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: S-Helper at NTTM
Group: S-Trains Message: 44062 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: strange sighting York
Group: S-Trains Message: 44063 From: Chris Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Thanks for the wealth onf information
Group: S-Trains Message: 44064 From: Chris Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Re: Horror Stories @ York-'way off topic
Group: S-Trains Message: 44065 From: Rick Evans Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Re: Horror Stories @ York-'way off topic
Group: S-Trains Message: 44066 From: Doug Peck Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: York Trip Report
Group: S-Trains Message: 44067 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: A Jay email
Group: S-Trains Message: 44068 From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re - Gauging AF Wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 44069 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: A Jay email
Group: S-Trains Message: 44070 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: HORROR STORIES AT YORK... way off topis
Group: S-Trains Message: 44071 From: Chris Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Jay Walsh
Group: S-Trains Message: 44072 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: A Jay email
Group: S-Trains Message: 44073 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: Jay Walsh
Group: S-Trains Message: 44074 From: ER Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: 3 More items for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 44075 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: A Jay email
Group: S-Trains Message: 44076 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: Re - Gauging AF Wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 44077 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: Re: Jay Walsh
Group: S-Trains Message: 44078 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: Re: Jay Walsh
Group: S-Trains Message: 44079 From: hjsheff Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: Trains for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 44080 From: Tim Benner Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: 650 refurb / lighting
Group: S-Trains Message: 44081 From: Tim Brown Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: Dime gauging
Group: S-Trains Message: 44082 From: Mark Preman Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 44083 From: keefer1 Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains Message: 44084 From: daysend40 Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Artista Figures
Group: S-Trains Message: 44085 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Re: gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains Message: 44086 From: Art Shifrin Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Jay Walsh
Group: S-Trains Message: 44087 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Re: Dime gauging
Group: S-Trains Message: 44088 From: daysend40 Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: S Gage Fork Lift Truck
Group: S-Trains Message: 44089 From: Roger Delthony Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: 751/751A log loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 44090 From: roy inman Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Re: S Gage Fork Lift Truck
Group: S-Trains Message: 44091 From: Chris Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Re: Dime gauging
Group: S-Trains Message: 44092 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Flyer Fest West
Group: S-Trains Message: 44093 From: RCESpeak Date: 5/3/2007
Subject: S Gage Fork Lift Truck
Group: S-Trains Message: 44094 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 5/3/2007
Subject: Re: Dime gauging
Group: S-Trains Message: 44095 From: daysend40 Date: 5/4/2007
Subject: Arttista Fork Lift
Group: S-Trains Message: 44096 From: roy inman Date: 5/5/2007
Subject: FW: Contact From Arttista. com Website
Group: S-Trains Message: 44097 From: Bill Date: 5/6/2007
Subject: S-Scale : Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 44098 From: g94a95 Date: 5/6/2007
Subject: Flyer Fest West
Group: S-Trains Message: 44099 From: briggsmodels Date: 5/6/2007
Subject: Briggs Models speeder
Group: S-Trains Message: 44100 From: Al Baker Date: 5/7/2007
Subject: Flyer Fest West - a bad luck story
Group: S-Trains Message: 44101 From: LARRY MOORE Date: 5/8/2007
Subject: 751/751A Log Loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 44102 From: Chris Date: 5/8/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer Fest West - a bad luck story
Group: S-Trains Message: 44103 From: Al Baker Date: 5/9/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer Fest West - a bad luck story
Group: S-Trains Message: 44104 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/9/2007
Subject: Re: 751/751A Log Loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 44105 From: lynnshouse2000 Date: 5/10/2007
Subject: 21831 Loco Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 44106 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 5/10/2007
Subject: Re: 21831 Loco Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 44107 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 5/10/2007
Subject: Re: 751/751A Log Loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 44108 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/11/2007
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] April York 2007 Attendance Figures
Group: S-Trains Message: 44109 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 5/11/2007
Subject: Re: AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 44110 From: SnSTrains@aol.com Date: 5/11/2007
Subject: Need to contact member
Group: S-Trains Message: 44111 From: WEG138@aol.com Date: 5/12/2007
Subject: Re: Building switches - turnouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 44112 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 5/12/2007
Subject: A request...
Group: S-Trains Message: 44113 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 5/12/2007
Subject: Re: AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 44114 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 5/12/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 44115 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/12/2007
Subject: Re: AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 44116 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/12/2007
Subject: Re: AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 44117 From: Al Baker Date: 5/12/2007
Subject: AF Steamer Choo Choo Sound
Group: S-Trains Message: 44118 From: bubblesmongo Date: 5/13/2007
Subject: "Choo-Choo"
Group: S-Trains Message: 44119 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 5/13/2007
Subject: Re: AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 44120 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 5/13/2007
Subject: Re: "Choo-Choo"
Group: S-Trains Message: 44121 From: David Dewey Date: 5/13/2007
Subject: AF Choo Choo Sound too quiet
Group: S-Trains Message: 44122 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 5/13/2007
Subject: Traintracker
Group: S-Trains Message: 44123 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/13/2007
Subject: Re: AF Choo Choo Sound too quiet
Group: S-Trains Message: 44124 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 5/13/2007
Subject: 6 WHEEL 343???
Group: S-Trains Message: 44125 From: Al Baker Date: 5/13/2007
Subject: AF set # 581045 ??
Group: S-Trains Message: 44126 From: John Date: 5/14/2007
Subject: Sunday chats
Group: S-Trains Message: 44127 From: William Porter Date: 5/14/2007
Subject: 715/915 vehicle dimensions
Group: S-Trains Message: 44128 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/14/2007
Subject: Re: 715/915 vehicle dimensions
Group: S-Trains Message: 44129 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 5/14/2007
Subject: Re: 715/915 vehicle dimensions
Group: S-Trains Message: 44130 From: Chris Date: 5/14/2007
Subject: Sunday chats
Group: S-Trains Message: 44131 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/14/2007
Subject: Re: 715/915 vehicle dimensions
Group: S-Trains Message: 44132 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 5/14/2007
Subject: Removing decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 44133 From: WEG138@aol.com Date: 5/14/2007
Subject: Re: Switches - Turnouts manufacturer
Group: S-Trains Message: 44134 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 5/14/2007
Subject: Re: 715/915 vehicle dimensions
Group: S-Trains Message: 44135 From: Chris Date: 5/15/2007
Subject: Re: Switches - Turnouts manufacturer
Group: S-Trains Message: 44136 From: Bruce Papky Date: 5/15/2007
Subject: Removing decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 44137 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/15/2007
Subject: AC Gilbert Timeline
Group: S-Trains Message: 44138 From: Doug Peck Date: 5/16/2007
Subject: AC Gilbert Timeline
Group: S-Trains Message: 44139 From: Phil K Date: 5/16/2007
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert Timeline
Group: S-Trains Message: 44140 From: Patrick McElroy Date: 5/16/2007
Subject: Question on AF 938 Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 44141 From: briggsmodels Date: 5/16/2007
Subject: Briggs Models speeder- further detailed update
Group: S-Trains Message: 44142 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 5/16/2007
Subject: Re: Question on AF 938 Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 44143 From: Ingram-Jim-sListservers Date: 5/16/2007
Subject: --YouTube: AF Automatic Controls Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 44144 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/16/2007
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert Timeline
Group: S-Trains Message: 44145 From: roy inman Date: 5/16/2007
Subject: Re: Briggs Models speeder- further detailed update
Group: S-Trains Message: 44146 From: John Degnan Date: 5/16/2007
Subject: EVANS AUTO LOADER DRAWINGS FOUND!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44147 From: John Degnan Date: 5/17/2007
Subject: Re: {Spam?} [SSPM] EVANS AUTO LOADER DRAWINGS FOUND!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44148 From: Donald Thompson Date: 5/17/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: [SSPM] EVANS AUTO LOADER DRAWINGS FOUND!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44149 From: roy inman Date: 5/17/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: [SSPM] EVANS AUTO LOADER DRAWINGS FOUND!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44150 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 5/17/2007
Subject: EVANS AUTO LOADER
Group: S-Trains Message: 44151 From: Charles Messinger Date: 5/17/2007
Subject: old postcards
Group: S-Trains Message: 44152 From: roy inman Date: 5/17/2007
Subject: Re: EVANS AUTO LOADER
Group: S-Trains Message: 44153 From: bimorph Date: 5/17/2007
Subject: For Sale Missouri Pacific set 20475
Group: S-Trains Message: 44154 From: Tim Brown Date: 5/17/2007
Subject: Re: Switches - Turnouts manufacturer
Group: S-Trains Message: 44155 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 5/18/2007
Subject: EVANS AUTO LOADER
Group: S-Trains Message: 44156 From: John Degnan Date: 5/18/2007
Subject: Looking for...
Group: S-Trains Message: 44157 From: Donald Thompson Date: 5/18/2007
Subject: Re: SHS track update
Group: S-Trains Message: 44158 From: Ingram-Jim-sListservers Date: 5/18/2007
Subject: Re: --YouTube: AF Automatic Controls Video
Group: S-Trains Message: 44159 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 5/18/2007
Subject: Re: EVANS AUTO LOADER
Group: S-Trains Message: 44160 From: John Date: 5/18/2007
Subject: Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 44161 From: plimo117 Date: 5/19/2007
Subject: What's happening
Group: S-Trains Message: 44162 From: Tim Brown Date: 5/19/2007
Subject: Re: What's happening
Group: S-Trains Message: 44163 From: roy inman Date: 5/19/2007
Subject: Re: What's happening-Opinion II
Group: S-Trains Message: 44164 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 5/19/2007
Subject: Re: What's happening
Group: S-Trains Message: 44165 From: Tim Brown Date: 5/19/2007
Subject: Re: What's happening
Group: S-Trains Message: 44166 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 5/19/2007
Subject: Re: What's happening
Group: S-Trains Message: 44167 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 5/19/2007
Subject: Re: What's happening
Group: S-Trains Message: 44168 From: Ingram-Jim-sListservers Date: 5/19/2007
Subject: YouTube: #2 Meet S Gagrs, #3 Layout Tour
Group: S-Trains Message: 44169 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 5/19/2007
Subject: Re: What's happening.... WAY OFF TOPIC
Group: S-Trains Message: 44170 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 5/19/2007
Subject: Re: What's happening
Group: S-Trains Message: 44171 From: Donald Thompson Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: Re: What's happening
Group: S-Trains Message: 44172 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: turnout article
Group: S-Trains Message: 44173 From: John Degnan Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: Re: What's happening
Group: S-Trains Message: 44174 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: Re;What's happening...tinkerers live!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44175 From: Phil K Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: Low activity
Group: S-Trains Message: 44176 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: Re: what's happening
Group: S-Trains Message: 44177 From: RCESpeak Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: What's happening
Group: S-Trains Message: 44178 From: Rick Evans Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: Re: Low activity
Group: S-Trains Message: 44179 From: Phil K Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: Re: Low activity
Group: S-Trains Message: 44180 From: roy inman Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: FW: S ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44181 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: S and O vs, N and HO locally
Group: S-Trains Message: 44182 From: muniman18 Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: activity
Group: S-Trains Message: 44183 From: Tom Stolte Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale
Group: S-Trains Message: 44184 From: John Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: New layout help
Group: S-Trains Message: 44185 From: monte_heppe Date: 5/21/2007
Subject: 2007 NASG Convention, July 10-14, Baltimore MD
Group: S-Trains Message: 44186 From: Tim Brown Date: 5/21/2007
Subject: Re: New layout help
Group: S-Trains Message: 44187 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/22/2007
Subject: Re: New layout help
Group: S-Trains Message: 44188 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/22/2007
Subject: Re: Question on AF 938 Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 44189 From: John Date: 5/22/2007
Subject: Gears being chewed up
Group: S-Trains Message: 44190 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 5/22/2007
Subject: Re: Re;What's happening...tinkerers live!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44191 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/22/2007
Subject: Re: Removing decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 44192 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 5/22/2007
Subject: universal turnout
Group: S-Trains Message: 44193 From: roy inman Date: 5/22/2007
Subject: Re: Removing decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 44194 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 5/22/2007
Subject: Re: 2007 NASG Convention, July 10-14, Baltimore MD
Group: S-Trains Message: 44195 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/23/2007
Subject: Historic American Railroad Sets join The Gilbert Gallery
Group: S-Trains Message: 44196 From: omahakid2003 Date: 5/23/2007
Subject: Making a 314AW Whistle work
Group: S-Trains Message: 44197 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 5/23/2007
Subject: Painting Passenger Cars from Tom Hodgson's Instrument Design ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44198 From: roy inman Date: 5/24/2007
Subject: Jack Riley please contact me offline
Group: S-Trains Message: 44199 From: Bill Lane Date: 5/24/2007
Subject: tender trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 44200 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 5/24/2007
Subject: Re: Making a 314AW Whistle work
Group: S-Trains Message: 44201 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 5/24/2007
Subject: Big News from the Canyon, Advert!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44202 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 5/24/2007
Subject: Re: Making a 314AW Whistle work
Group: S-Trains Message: 44203 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 5/24/2007
Subject: Re: Making a 314AW Whistle work
Group: S-Trains Message: 44204 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 5/24/2007
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 44205 From: George Cohn Date: 5/24/2007
Subject: Re: Making a 314AW Whistle work
Group: S-Trains Message: 44206 From: Bill Drake Date: 5/24/2007
Subject: Re: Making a 314AW Whistle work
Group: S-Trains Message: 44207 From: Bill Drake Date: 5/24/2007
Subject: 314AW Whistle Control
Group: S-Trains Message: 44208 From: George Cohn Date: 5/24/2007
Subject: Re: 314AW Whistle Control
Group: S-Trains Message: 44209 From: Tom Stolte Date: 5/24/2007
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale
Group: S-Trains Message: 44210 From: Phil K Date: 5/24/2007
Subject: 314AW whistle vs. Air Chime
Group: S-Trains Message: 44211 From: Gary Chudzinski Date: 5/25/2007
Subject: Re: 314AW whistle
Group: S-Trains Message: 44212 From: Gary Chudzinski Date: 5/25/2007
Subject: Re: 314AW whistle
Group: S-Trains Message: 44213 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 5/25/2007
Subject: Whistle Controller?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44214 From: Bill Drake Date: 5/25/2007
Subject: 314AW and the patent issue
Group: S-Trains Message: 44215 From: Bill Drake Date: 5/25/2007
Subject: Mike Leahy question about whistle controller
Group: S-Trains Message: 44216 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 5/25/2007
Subject: Re: Whistle Controller?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44217 From: Bill Drake Date: 5/25/2007
Subject: More than you ever wanted to know about whistle systems
Group: S-Trains Message: 44218 From: Roger Petrella Date: 5/25/2007
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains Message: 44219 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 5/25/2007
Subject: Re: AW CONTROLLER
Group: S-Trains Message: 44220 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/25/2007
Subject: train damage
Group: S-Trains Message: 44221 From: Phil K Date: 5/25/2007
Subject: Re: 314AW whistle
Group: S-Trains Message: 44222 From: innotron Date: 5/26/2007
Subject: 577 Billboard whistle
Group: S-Trains Message: 44223 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 5/26/2007
Subject: Fw: Need another Flyonel GP-9 shell
Group: S-Trains Message: 44224 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 5/26/2007
Subject: Need another Flyonel GP-9 shell
Group: S-Trains Message: 44225 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 5/26/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: Need another Flyonel GP-9 shell
Group: S-Trains Message: 44226 From: Phil K Date: 5/26/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: Need another Flyonel GP-9 shell
Group: S-Trains Message: 44227 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/26/2007
Subject: TXCL
Group: S-Trains Message: 44228 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 5/26/2007
Subject: Mikado
Group: S-Trains Message: 44229 From: Tom Hawley Date: 5/26/2007
Subject: Re: TXCL
Group: S-Trains Message: 44230 From: Phil K Date: 5/26/2007
Subject: Interesting cab camera video of train wreck
Group: S-Trains Message: 44231 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: TXCL
Group: S-Trains Message: 44232 From: Rick Evans Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: Interesting cab camera video of train wreck
Group: S-Trains Message: 44233 From: clayton deich Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: Interesting cab camera video of train wreck
Group: S-Trains Message: 44234 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: pick-up shoes
Group: S-Trains Message: 44235 From: innotron Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: S trains at Balboa Park
Group: S-Trains Message: 44236 From: David Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: 314AW whistle
Group: S-Trains Message: 44237 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: 314AW whistle
Group: S-Trains Message: 44238 From: Phil K Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: S trains at Balboa Park
Group: S-Trains Message: 44239 From: Donald Thompson Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: S trains at Balboa Park
Group: S-Trains Message: 44240 From: Paul4Schil@aol.com Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Trainstuff LLC Going Out of Business
Group: S-Trains Message: 44241 From: roy inman Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts)
Group: S-Trains Message: 44242 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: proposal (turnouts)
Group: S-Trains Message: 44243 From: Gary Chudzinski Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: S trains at Balboa Park
Group: S-Trains Message: 44244 From: cindy novak Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: S trains at Balboa Park
Group: S-Trains Message: 44245 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts)
Group: S-Trains Message: 44246 From: Phil K Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Unfair threat needs to be addressed
Group: S-Trains Message: 44247 From: Marty.Thorin Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: train damage
Group: S-Trains Message: 44248 From: roy inman Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: New 1/64th vehicles
Group: S-Trains Message: 44249 From: roy inman Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts)
Group: S-Trains Message: 44250 From: roy inman Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Z stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 44251 From: Rick Evans Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: New 1/64th vehicles
Group: S-Trains Message: 44252 From: Donald Thompson Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Z stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 44253 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: train damage
Group: S-Trains Message: 44254 From: John Degnan Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} New 1/64th vehicles
Group: S-Trains Message: 44255 From: Rick Evans Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} New 1/64th vehicles
Group: S-Trains Message: 44256 From: Scott Freeman Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Damaged car
Group: S-Trains Message: 44257 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: train damage
Group: S-Trains Message: 44258 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: Damaged car
Group: S-Trains Message: 44259 From: roy inman Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts-A parallax view...)
Group: S-Trains Message: 44260 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: train damage
Group: S-Trains Message: 44261 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: JADA For Sale 1/64 Vehicles
Group: S-Trains Message: 44262 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: (S-Scale List) proposal (turnouts-Aparallax veiw...)
Group: S-Trains Message: 44263 From: Ljack70117@comcast.net Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: train damage
Group: S-Trains Message: 44264 From: roy inman Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: JADA For Sale 1/64 Vehicles
Group: S-Trains Message: 44265 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Fw: Claim question
Group: S-Trains Message: 44266 From: roy inman Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: (S-Scale List) proposal (turnouts-Aparallax veiw...)
Group: S-Trains Message: 44267 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: (S-Scale List) proposal (turnouts-Aparallax veiw...)
Group: S-Trains Message: 44268 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Fw: Claim question
Group: S-Trains Message: 44269 From: Howard Sheffield Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Trainstuff LLC Going Out of Business
Group: S-Trains Message: 44270 From: roy inman Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts-A parallax view...)
Group: S-Trains Message: 44271 From: Scaler164@comcast.net Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: JADA For Sale 1/64 Vehicles
Group: S-Trains Message: 44272 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts-A parallax view...)
Group: S-Trains Message: 44273 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: JADA For Sale 1/64 Vehicles
Group: S-Trains Message: 44274 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Promoting S, sort of an advert
Group: S-Trains Message: 44275 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: 1/64 th cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 44276 From: Tim Brown Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Product Feedback for S Gauge - new table
Group: S-Trains Message: 44277 From: John Degnan Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: JADA For Sale 1/64 Vehicles
Group: S-Trains Message: 44278 From: louis glumac Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: train damage
Group: S-Trains Message: 44279 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: 20445 NP SET FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains Message: 44280 From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts-A parallax view...)
Group: S-Trains Message: 44281 From: ER Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: AM Passenger cars for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 44282 From: Richard Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: selling stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 44283 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: Who and what is the specific problem?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44284 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: Re: Who and what is the specific problem?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44285 From: detmer@charter.net Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: Re: Who and what is the specific problem?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44286 From: arena-10@sbcglobal.net Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: Steam Loco DVD
Group: S-Trains Message: 44287 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: Re: Who and what is the specific problem?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44288 From: Tim Brown Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: New Products in S Gauge table
Group: S-Trains Message: 44289 From: roy inman Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: Re: selling stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 44290 From: Jollivier4@cs.com Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: 1/64th VW vehicles!!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44291 From: John Degnan Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: Re: selling stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 44292 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: Re: selling stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 44293 From: Crpntr12449@aol.com Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: Re: JADA For Sale 1/64 Vehicles
Group: S-Trains Message: 44294 From: Phil K Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: Re: selling stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 44295 From: Gale Hall Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: Selling Stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 44296 From: roy inman Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: selling stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 44297 From: John Degnan Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: JADA For Sale 1/64 Vehicles
Group: S-Trains Message: 44298 From: roy inman Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: selling stuff-Fine with me
Group: S-Trains Message: 44299 From: Phil K Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: selling stuff -- Fine with me, within reason
Group: S-Trains Message: 44300 From: Donald Thompson Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: List running amok......
Group: S-Trains Message: 44301 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: List running amok......
Group: S-Trains Message: 44302 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: JADA For Sale 1/64 Vehicles
Group: S-Trains Message: 44303 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: selling stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 44304 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Selling Stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 44305 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: List running amok......
Group: S-Trains Message: 44306 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: Selling Stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 44307 From: George Cohn Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: Selling Stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 44308 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: Selling Stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 44309 From: Scott Freeman Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: AF collectors group
Group: S-Trains Message: 44310 From: roy inman Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: AF collectors group
Group: S-Trains Message: 44311 From: roy inman Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Undesireables...
Group: S-Trains Message: 44312 From: Lawrence Schliessmann Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: perhaps off topic but interesting
Group: S-Trains Message: 44313 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: AF collectors group
Group: S-Trains Message: 44314 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: AF Claim Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 44315 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: train layout update
Group: S-Trains Message: 44316 From: Scott Freeman Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] AF collectors group
Group: S-Trains Message: 44317 From: Scott Freeman Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Fwd: Re: Re: [S-Trains] AF collectors group
Group: S-Trains Message: 44318 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: perhaps off topic but interesting
Group: S-Trains Message: 44319 From: roy inman Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: AF collectors group-Toys vs serious
Group: S-Trains Message: 44320 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Removal of AM Roofs from Baggage Car ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44321 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 6/1/2007
Subject: AF collectors group
Group: S-Trains Message: 44322 From: innotron Date: 6/1/2007
Subject: layout photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 44323 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 6/1/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Removal of AM Roofs from Baggage Car ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44324 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 6/1/2007
Subject: turnouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 44325 From: thesullivansnc Date: 6/1/2007
Subject: Info on American Flyer train set
Group: S-Trains Message: 44326 From: Greg Klein Date: 6/1/2007
Subject: Revised Information - 2007 NASG Convention, July 10-14, Baltimore,
Group: S-Trains Message: 44327 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/1/2007
Subject: Re: Info on American Flyer train set
Group: S-Trains Message: 44329 From: keefer1 Date: 6/1/2007
Subject: Ebay Buyers
Group: S-Trains Message: 44330 From: David Dewey Date: 6/1/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: List running amok......
Group: S-Trains Message: 44331 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 6/2/2007
Subject: Re: AF collectors group-Toys vs serious
Group: S-Trains Message: 44332 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 6/2/2007
Subject: Re: Info on American Flyer train set
Group: S-Trains Message: 44333 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 6/2/2007
Subject: Re: Selling Stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 44334 From: roy inman Date: 6/2/2007
Subject: Re: AF collectors group-Toys vs serious
Group: S-Trains Message: 44335 From: Paul Yorke Date: 6/2/2007
Subject: Wiki Flyer page
Group: S-Trains Message: 44336 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 6/3/2007
Subject: Re: Tom's Turnouts with Frog Insert
Group: S-Trains Message: 44337 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/3/2007
Subject: RARE CAR
Group: S-Trains Message: 44338 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/3/2007
Subject: Canadian AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 44339 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/3/2007
Subject: Re: Canadian AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 44340 From: Edward G. Date: 6/3/2007
Subject: CANADIAN AF ....."eh"
Group: S-Trains Message: 44341 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 6/3/2007
Subject: Re: RARE CAR
Group: S-Trains Message: 44342 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 6/3/2007
Subject: Re: Canadian AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 44343 From: lember2004 Date: 6/3/2007
Subject: help finding Gilbert Farm set Cutout Instructions
Group: S-Trains Message: 44344 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/3/2007
Subject: Re: Canadian AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 44345 From: Robert Graves Date: 6/3/2007
Subject: Re: Canadian AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 44346 From: Art Shifrin Date: 6/4/2007
Subject: S gauge much more safe than O
Group: S-Trains Message: 44347 From: romoyer@att.net Date: 6/4/2007
Subject: Re: S gauge much more safe than O
Group: S-Trains Message: 44348 From: muniman18 Date: 6/4/2007
Subject: S0PRANO'S
Group: S-Trains Message: 44350 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 6/4/2007
Subject: 50's Beer ad on History Channel
Group: S-Trains Message: 44351 From: muniman18 Date: 6/4/2007
Subject: sopranos
Group: S-Trains Message: 44352 From: henry arbelo Date: 6/4/2007
Subject: Subway and EL Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 44353 From: dphobbies Date: 6/4/2007
Subject: Internet Sale S Scale America Container Kits
Group: S-Trains Message: 44354 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 6/5/2007
Subject: A store for anytown, spam, advert, do not read
Group: S-Trains Message: 44355 From: SnSTrains@aol.com Date: 6/5/2007
Subject: Blatant plugola: AF Smoke In Tender can motor conversion
Group: S-Trains Message: 44356 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/6/2007
Subject: RE 324AC with whistle controller
Group: S-Trains Message: 44357 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/6/2007
Subject: LISTINGS - EBAY- ETC
Group: S-Trains Message: 44358 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/6/2007
Subject: Fw: [dairycollectors] Queen City
Group: S-Trains Message: 44359 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/6/2007
Subject: Re: RE 324AC with whistle controller
Group: S-Trains Message: 44360 From: James Hannawald Date: 6/6/2007
Subject: Re: RE 324AC with whistle controller
Group: S-Trains Message: 44361 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/6/2007
Subject: Fw: [dairycollectors] Queen City
Group: S-Trains Message: 44362 From: uvl97222 Date: 6/6/2007
Subject: Red Smoke Capsules
Group: S-Trains Message: 44363 From: lumglum Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 44364 From: David Dewey Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: Fw: [dairycollectors] Queen City
Group: S-Trains Message: 44365 From: William Porter Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: Hess Mini-Truck
Group: S-Trains Message: 44366 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: Re: 324AC
Group: S-Trains Message: 44367 From: muniman18 Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: sopranos
Group: S-Trains Message: 44368 From: clayton deich Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 44369 From: Dennis Back Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: Re: Red Smoke Capsules
Group: S-Trains Message: 44370 From: ER Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: WARNING --- Discounted items for sale ----WARNING
Group: S-Trains Message: 44371 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: Re: Red Smoke Capsules
Group: S-Trains Message: 44372 From: clayton deich Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: Re: Red Smoke Capsules
Group: S-Trains Message: 44373 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: TRACK PAN ON YOUR LAYOUT?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44374 From: Phil K Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: Track pan
Group: S-Trains Message: 44375 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: NYC trivia...in S scale, of course
Group: S-Trains Message: 44376 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: Re: TRACK PAN ON YOUR LAYOUT?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44377 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NYC trivia...in S scale, of course
Group: S-Trains Message: 44378 From: Chris Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: Re: TRACK PAN ON YOUR LAYOUT?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44379 From: Chris Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: Bobby Baccala leaves by train
Group: S-Trains Message: 44380 From: Phil K Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: Bobby Bacala's train haunt redux
Group: S-Trains Message: 44381 From: jnr59@aol.com Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: IMPORTANT FALL S FEST (ST LOUIS) INFORMATION
Group: S-Trains Message: 44382 From: clayton deich Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: Re: Red Smoke Capsules
Group: S-Trains Message: 44383 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: Re: Hess Mini-Truck
Group: S-Trains Message: 44384 From: Phil K Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: Re: Hess Mini-Truck
Group: S-Trains Message: 44385 From: wpporter@duckburg.us Date: 6/9/2007
Subject: Re: Hess Mini-Truck
Group: S-Trains Message: 44386 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/9/2007
Subject: Re: Hess Mini-Truck
Group: S-Trains Message: 44387 From: Greene, Michael Date: 6/9/2007
Subject: Re: Hess Mini-Truck
Group: S-Trains Message: 44388 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 6/9/2007
Subject: Re: TRACK PAN ON YOUR LAYOUT?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44389 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/10/2007
Subject: Re: TRACK PAN ON YOUR LAYOUT?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44390 From: Chris Date: 6/10/2007
Subject: Oooops!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44391 From: innotron Date: 6/11/2007
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} Personal request-convention lift.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44392 From: WEG138@aol.com Date: 6/11/2007
Subject: A site for railroads
Group: S-Trains Message: 44393 From: wjfraley Date: 6/11/2007
Subject: NASG Convention Baltimore 2007
Group: S-Trains Message: 44394 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 6/11/2007
Subject: Insulators/whitewalls
Group: S-Trains Message: 44395 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 6/11/2007
Subject: Re: NASG Convention Baltimore 2007
Group: S-Trains Message: 44396 From: Al Baker Date: 6/12/2007
Subject: Lionel Mikado PRR 6-48053
Group: S-Trains Message: 44397 From: Phil K Date: 6/12/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado PRR 6-48053
Group: S-Trains Message: 44398 From: velapoldi Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: test-please ignore
Group: S-Trains Message: 44399 From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 44400 From: Don Rodgers Sr. Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Re: Paint Remover
Group: S-Trains Message: 44401 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: WAY OFF TOPIC..... RIPOFFS
Group: S-Trains Message: 44402 From: bandmancwc Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Looking for suggestions
Group: S-Trains Message: 44403 From: Marty.Thorin Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Collection disposal
Group: S-Trains Message: 44404 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions
Group: S-Trains Message: 44405 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Re: Collection disposal
Group: S-Trains Message: 44406 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado PRR 6-48053
Group: S-Trains Message: 44407 From: roy inman Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Re: Collection disposal
Group: S-Trains Message: 44408 From: paflyrman Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Re: S-Trains Collection Disposal
Group: S-Trains Message: 44409 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions
Group: S-Trains Message: 44410 From: roy inman Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Internet Hobbies and S
Group: S-Trains Message: 44411 From: knucklechop Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Scale vs. HiRail
Group: S-Trains Message: 44412 From: knucklechop Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Scale vs. HiRail
Group: S-Trains Message: 44413 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: collection disposal
Group: S-Trains Message: 44414 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Re: S-Trains Collection Disposal
Group: S-Trains Message: 44415 From: roy inman Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Re: S-Trains Collection Disposal
Group: S-Trains Message: 44416 From: Paul Yorke Date: 6/14/2007
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions - (Sensors)
Group: S-Trains Message: 44417 From: John Degnan Date: 6/14/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Internet Hobbies and S
Group: S-Trains Message: 44418 From: roy inman Date: 6/14/2007
Subject: Re: collection disposal
Group: S-Trains Message: 44419 From: roy inman Date: 6/14/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Internet Hobbies and S
Group: S-Trains Message: 44420 From: Roy Hoffman Date: 6/14/2007
Subject: Request for info and pictures
Group: S-Trains Message: 44421 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 6/14/2007
Subject: Re: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 44422 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 6/14/2007
Subject: Re: Big Boy and Flyonel
Group: S-Trains Message: 44423 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 6/14/2007
Subject: Re: Collection Disposal
Group: S-Trains Message: 44424 From: Roy Hoffman Date: 6/14/2007
Subject: Re: Request for info and pictures
Group: S-Trains Message: 44425 From: Peter Henningsen Date: 6/14/2007
Subject: change email address to amerflyerwanted@optonline.net
Group: S-Trains Message: 44426 From: Roy Hoffman Date: 6/14/2007
Subject: Re: Request for info and pictures
Group: S-Trains Message: 44427 From: flyer_af Date: 6/15/2007
Subject: NYC Boxcar 24065 junker needed.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44428 From: Mark Preman Date: 6/15/2007
Subject: Different Stuph For Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 44429 From: Steve McGuire Date: 6/15/2007
Subject: Help finding a bell, please?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44430 From: ER Date: 6/15/2007
Subject: Warning - S Gauge Stuff Discounted and for sale - Warning
Group: S-Trains Message: 44431 From: Bill Lane Date: 6/16/2007
Subject: Pennsy S Models Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 44432 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 6/16/2007
Subject: New for S, advert
Group: S-Trains Message: 44433 From: Carl Date: 6/18/2007
Subject: AF Challenger
Group: S-Trains Message: 44434 From: Tim Brown Date: 6/18/2007
Subject: Re: AF Challenger
Group: S-Trains Message: 44435 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/19/2007
Subject: Train Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 44436 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/19/2007
Subject: Re: Train Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 44437 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/19/2007
Subject: Re: Train Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 44438 From: jim_marski Date: 6/19/2007
Subject: TCA National Convention- Denver
Group: S-Trains Message: 44439 From: afvair Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: TCA Convention and Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 44440 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: TCA Convention & items for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 44441 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Very short review of SHS AF repro wheelsets
Group: S-Trains Message: 44442 From: Tim Brown Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Re: Very short review of SHS AF repro wheelsets
Group: S-Trains Message: 44443 From: Dennis Back Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Printing on water-slide decals ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44444 From: Tim Brown Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Re: Scale vs. HiRail
Group: S-Trains Message: 44445 From: Tim Brown Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Re: Printing on water-slide decals ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44446 From: Phil K Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Re: Printing on water-slide decals ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44447 From: Tim Brown Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Re: Printing on water-slide decals ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44448 From: Dennis Back Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Re: Printing on water-slide decals ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44449 From: Tim Brown Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Re: Printing on water-slide decals ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44450 From: keefer1_us Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: bounced message
Group: S-Trains Message: 44451 From: Phil K Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Re: Printing on water-slide decals ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44452 From: keefer1 Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Printing on water-slide decals ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44453 From: Donald Thompson Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Re: Very short review of SHS AF repro wheelsets
Group: S-Trains Message: 44454 From: Donald Thompson Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant Commercialism - Switches back in stock
Group: S-Trains Message: 44455 From: Stan Stokrocki Date: 6/21/2007
Subject: Re: Printing on water-slide decals ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44456 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 6/21/2007
Subject: couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 44457 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 6/21/2007
Subject: Re: Scale vs. Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 44458 From: lumglum Date: 6/21/2007
Subject: Looking for Smoke fuild
Group: S-Trains Message: 44459 From: Donald Thompson Date: 6/21/2007
Subject: Re: Looking for Smoke fuild
Group: S-Trains Message: 44460 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 6/21/2007
Subject: Re: Scale vs. Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 44461 From: Tim Brown Date: 6/21/2007
Subject: Re: couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 44462 From: Tim Date: 6/21/2007
Subject: Re: Scale vs. Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 44463 From: Scott Holm Date: 6/21/2007
Subject: Re: Printing on water-slide decals ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44464 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 6/21/2007
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 44465 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 6/21/2007
Subject: Fw: !!HOTEL ROOMS AVAILABLE AT THE WESTIN CONVENTION HOTEL!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44466 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 6/22/2007
Subject: Scale vs. Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 44467 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 6/22/2007
Subject: Items for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 44468 From: Stan S. Date: 6/22/2007
Subject: Re: Printing on water-slide decals ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44469 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 6/23/2007
Subject: Re: Scale vs. Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 44470 From: Chris Date: 6/23/2007
Subject: Re: Scale vs. Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 44471 From: lember2004 Date: 6/23/2007
Subject: Follow-up to request for 1950 AF Farm set instructions
Group: S-Trains Message: 44472 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 6/23/2007
Subject: Re: Scale vs. Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 44473 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 6/24/2007
Subject: Re;Scale vs. High-rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 44474 From: John Degnan Date: 6/24/2007
Subject: Re: Re;Scale vs. High-rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 44475 From: Alan Evans Date: 6/24/2007
Subject: ACL A-B Units (B w/sound) for Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 44476 From: Bill Lane Date: 6/26/2007
Subject: Kadee 802 couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 44477 From: keefer1 Date: 6/26/2007
Subject: STUMPY
Group: S-Trains Message: 44478 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 6/27/2007
Subject: Color Match for AM Passenger Cars - Pullman Green - Need Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 44479 From: Robert Graves Date: 6/27/2007
Subject: Bridges & Trestles join The Gilbert Gallery
Group: S-Trains Message: 44480 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 6/27/2007
Subject: Floquil Diosol
Group: S-Trains Message: 44481 From: boblines51 Date: 6/27/2007
Subject: cars for the 24566 flat
Group: S-Trains Message: 44482 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/27/2007
Subject: Finally!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44483 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 6/28/2007
Subject: SnS Trains vacation
Group: S-Trains Message: 44484 From: Tim Brown Date: 6/28/2007
Subject: Hand-laid Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 44485 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 6/28/2007
Subject: Re: cars for the 24566 flat
Group: S-Trains Message: 44486 From: G C Date: 6/28/2007
Subject: Floquil Diosol
Group: S-Trains Message: 44487 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 6/28/2007
Subject: Scalecoat II Pullman Green - It looks like AM cars now that paint h
Group: S-Trains Message: 44488 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 6/28/2007
Subject: Re: Floquil Diosol
Group: S-Trains Message: 44489 From: ER Date: 6/28/2007
Subject: FW: Warning - S Gauge Stuff Discounted and for sale - Warning
Group: S-Trains Message: 44490 From: G C Date: 6/29/2007
Subject: Re: Floquil Diosol
Group: S-Trains Message: 44491 From: Dale Smith Date: 6/30/2007
Subject: Re: Hand-laid Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 44492 From: Tim Brown Date: 6/30/2007
Subject: Re: Hand-laid Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 44493 From: lember2004 Date: 6/30/2007
Subject: York "versus" Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains Message: 44494 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 7/1/2007
Subject: TCA CONVENTION
Group: S-Trains Message: 44495 From: Phil K Date: 7/1/2007
Subject: MTH and S
Group: S-Trains Message: 44496 From: Phil K Date: 7/1/2007
Subject: Sunday evening chat
Group: S-Trains Message: 44497 From: John Degnan Date: 7/1/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
Group: S-Trains Message: 44498 From: roy inman Date: 7/1/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
Group: S-Trains Message: 44499 From: roy inman Date: 7/1/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
Group: S-Trains Message: 44500 From: Scott Freeman Date: 7/1/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
Group: S-Trains Message: 44501 From: John Degnan Date: 7/1/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
Group: S-Trains Message: 44502 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 7/1/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
Group: S-Trains Message: 44503 From: Phil K Date: 7/1/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
Group: S-Trains Message: 44504 From: Phil K Date: 7/1/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
Group: S-Trains Message: 44505 From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build Date: 7/2/2007
Subject: NASG Citrus Shed
Group: S-Trains Message: 44506 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 7/2/2007
Subject: FS - 343 diecast boiler shell
Group: S-Trains Message: 44507 From: frank emiro Date: 7/2/2007
Subject: I like MIKE
Group: S-Trains Message: 44508 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 7/2/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
Group: S-Trains Message: 44509 From: innotron Date: 7/2/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
Group: S-Trains Message: 44510 From: roy inman Date: 7/2/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
Group: S-Trains Message: 44511 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 7/2/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
Group: S-Trains Message: 44512 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 7/2/2007
Subject: Mike Wolf & "S"
Group: S-Trains Message: 44513 From: William W. Hutton Date: 7/2/2007
Subject: York "versus" Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains Message: 44514 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 7/2/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
Group: S-Trains Message: 44515 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 7/2/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
Group: S-Trains Message: 44516 From: Phil K Date: 7/2/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
Group: S-Trains Message: 44517 From: roy inman Date: 7/2/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S-and others
Group: S-Trains Message: 44518 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: MTH and S
Group: S-Trains Message: 44519 From: John Degnan Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S-and others
Group: S-Trains Message: 44520 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S-and others
Group: S-Trains Message: 44521 From: Ljack70117@comcast.net Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S-and others
Group: S-Trains Message: 44522 From: roy inman Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S-and others
Group: S-Trains Message: 44523 From: Robert Graves Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: All Lionel Flyer items are now in The Gilbert Gallery
Group: S-Trains Message: 44524 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
Group: S-Trains Message: 44525 From: keefer1 Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: MTH VS LIONEL
Group: S-Trains Message: 44526 From: Andrew Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Flyonel Track Gang
Group: S-Trains Message: 44528 From: Henry Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Re: MTH VS LIONEL
Group: S-Trains Message: 44529 From: lember2004 Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: replies to York "versus" Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains Message: 44530 From: Phil K Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Just a reminder...
Group: S-Trains Message: 44531 From: Phil K Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
Group: S-Trains Message: 44532 From: keefer1 Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: no ebay links ??
Group: S-Trains Message: 44533 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Track Gang
Group: S-Trains Message: 44534 From: Dennis Back Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Re: Just a reminder...
Group: S-Trains Message: 44535 From: Donald Thompson Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Re: MTH VS LIONEL
Group: S-Trains Message: 44536 From: Bill Lane Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: X29 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 44537 From: Dennis Back Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Track Gang
Group: S-Trains Message: 44538 From: Tim Brown Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Re: no ebay links ??
Group: S-Trains Message: 44539 From: roy inman Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
Group: S-Trains Message: 44540 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 7/4/2007
Subject: Track gang set
Group: S-Trains Message: 44541 From: flyer_af Date: 7/4/2007
Subject: Restoration of set # 20615, the "Thunderbolt" set
Group: S-Trains Message: 44542 From: David Dewey Date: 7/4/2007
Subject: Business or Hobby--Profit or non -profit
Group: S-Trains Message: 44543 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 7/4/2007
Subject: Re: Business or Hobby--Profit or non -profit
Group: S-Trains Message: 44544 From: Phil K Date: 7/4/2007
Subject: Re: Business or Hobby--Profit or non -profit
Group: S-Trains Message: 44545 From: keefer1 Date: 7/4/2007
Subject: nfp
Group: S-Trains Message: 44546 From: Phil K Date: 7/4/2007
Subject: Re: nfp
Group: S-Trains Message: 44547 From: Robert Graves Date: 7/4/2007
Subject: The 1950 A. C. Gilbert Factory layout is on The Gilbert Gallery
Group: S-Trains Message: 44548 From: roy inman Date: 7/4/2007
Subject: Re: Business or Hobby--Profit or non -profit
Group: S-Trains Message: 44549 From: lumglum Date: 7/5/2007
Subject: Looking to buy AM GP-35
Group: S-Trains Message: 44550 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/5/2007
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Cow on Track 1 - - TTML B4 the 4th
Group: S-Trains Message: 44551 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/5/2007
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] A Cat and a Train - - TTML B4 the 4th
Group: S-Trains Message: 44552 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/5/2007
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Cow on Track 2 - - TTML B4 the 4th
Group: S-Trains Message: 44553 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 7/5/2007
Subject: Re: Restoration of set # 20615, the "Thunderbolt" set
Group: S-Trains Message: 44554 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/5/2007
Subject: Insurance Claim
Group: S-Trains Message: 44555 From: Marty.Thorin Date: 7/6/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3717
Group: S-Trains Message: 44556 From: Chris Date: 7/6/2007
Subject: Re: Insurance Claim
Group: S-Trains Message: 44557 From: William Porter Date: 7/6/2007
Subject: Transformer Repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 44558 From: Tim Brown Date: 7/6/2007
Subject: Re: Transformer Repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 44559 From: Chris Date: 7/6/2007
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] A Cat and a Train - - TTML B4 the 4th
Group: S-Trains Message: 44560 From: Chris Date: 7/6/2007
Subject: The Dreaded EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-BAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Group: S-Trains Message: 44561 From: Richard Karnes Date: 7/6/2007
Subject: Mobley Library vacation
Group: S-Trains Message: 44562 From: Ljack70117@comcast.net Date: 7/6/2007
Subject: Re: The Dreaded EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-BAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Group: S-Trains Message: 44563 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 7/6/2007
Subject: Re: K-D
Group: S-Trains Message: 44564 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 7/7/2007
Subject: Repair advice?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44565 From: David Dewey Date: 7/7/2007
Subject: K-D
Group: S-Trains Message: 44566 From: ER Date: 7/7/2007
Subject: Warning - Reduced Price Model Railroad items for sale - Warning
Group: S-Trains Message: 44567 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 7/7/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3717
Group: S-Trains Message: 44568 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/7/2007
Subject: Re: The Dreaded EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-BAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Group: S-Trains Message: 44569 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/7/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] A Cat and a Train - - TTML B4 the 4th
Group: S-Trains Message: 44570 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 7/7/2007
Subject: Re: The Dreaded EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-BAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Group: S-Trains Message: 44571 From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build Date: 7/7/2007
Subject: Poor Boy's Home...
Group: S-Trains Message: 44572 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/8/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/8/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 44573 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/8/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/8/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 44574 From: John Degnan Date: 7/9/2007
Subject: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44575 From: Tom Hawley Date: 7/10/2007
Subject: The Dispatch is out
Group: S-Trains Message: 44576 From: Rick Evans Date: 7/10/2007
Subject: Re: The Dispatch is out
Group: S-Trains Message: 44577 From: John Degnan Date: 7/10/2007
Subject: S Scale VULCAN Trucks?!?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44578 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 7/10/2007
Subject: The 1:64 Modeling Guide future
Group: S-Trains Message: 44579 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 7/11/2007
Subject: The Dispatch is out
Group: S-Trains Message: 44580 From: Chris Date: 7/11/2007
Subject: Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44581 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 7/11/2007
Subject: Re: The Dispatch is out...cameras damaged!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44582 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 7/11/2007
Subject: Dispatch
Group: S-Trains Message: 44583 From: Edward G. Date: 7/11/2007
Subject: Dispatch
Group: S-Trains Message: 44584 From: roy inman Date: 7/11/2007
Subject: Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel variety
Group: S-Trains Message: 44585 From: Chris Date: 7/12/2007
Subject: Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel variety
Group: S-Trains Message: 44586 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 7/12/2007
Subject: NSGA convention
Group: S-Trains Message: 44587 From: John Degnan Date: 7/12/2007
Subject: Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel variety
Group: S-Trains Message: 44588 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 7/12/2007
Subject: Re: WATER TANKERS NON AF OR SCALE BUT>>>>>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44589 From: Chris Date: 7/12/2007
Subject: Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel variety
Group: S-Trains Message: 44590 From: John Degnan Date: 7/12/2007
Subject: Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel variety
Group: S-Trains Message: 44591 From: roy inman Date: 7/12/2007
Subject: Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel variety
Group: S-Trains Message: 44592 From: Chris Date: 7/12/2007
Subject: Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel variety
Group: S-Trains Message: 44593 From: Tim Brown Date: 7/13/2007
Subject: Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel variety
Group: S-Trains Message: 44594 From: gartrain404@comcast.net Date: 7/13/2007
Subject: Re: NASG convention
Group: S-Trains Message: 44595 From: Rick Evans Date: 7/13/2007
Subject: Re: WATER TANKERS NON AF OR SCALE BUT>>>>>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44596 From: Tim Brown Date: 7/13/2007
Subject: NRHS
Group: S-Trains Message: 44597 From: G C Date: 7/13/2007
Subject: Atlas Atlantic
Group: S-Trains Message: 44598 From: Chris Date: 7/13/2007
Subject: Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel variety
Group: S-Trains Message: 44599 From: Chris Date: 7/13/2007
Subject: Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel variety
Group: S-Trains Message: 44600 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 7/13/2007
Subject: tca train trip
Group: S-Trains Message: 44601 From: John Degnan Date: 7/13/2007
Subject: Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel variety
Group: S-Trains Message: 44602 From: wf tracy Date: 7/13/2007
Subject: 314AW Tender Relay - Part# XA11011
Group: S-Trains Message: 44603 From: Rick Evans Date: 7/13/2007
Subject: NASG Dispatch
Group: S-Trains Message: 44604 From: RCESpeak Date: 7/14/2007
Subject: NASG Dispatch
Group: S-Trains Message: 44605 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 7/14/2007
Subject: S Scale AUTO CARRIER
Group: S-Trains Message: 44606 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 7/14/2007
Subject: DENVER
Group: S-Trains Message: 44608 From: John Degnan Date: 7/14/2007
Subject: Re: S Scale AUTO CARRIER
Group: S-Trains Message: 44609 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 7/14/2007
Subject: DENVER....PS
Group: S-Trains Message: 44610 From: WEG138@aol.com Date: 7/14/2007
Subject: Re: using Faller & Kirbi buildings ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44611 From: Bill Lane Date: 7/14/2007
Subject: I Won!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44612 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 7/14/2007
Subject: Re: DENVER....PS
Group: S-Trains Message: 44613 From: rlgriggs Date: 7/14/2007
Subject: Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel variety
Group: S-Trains Message: 44614 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/15/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/15/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 44615 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 7/15/2007
Subject: DENVER Posted by: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" Date: Sat Jul 14,
Group: S-Trains Message: 44616 From: John Degnan Date: 7/15/2007
Subject: APOLOGY : NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER Topic
Group: S-Trains Message: 44617 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 7/15/2007
Subject: Re: DENVER Posted by: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" Date: Sat Jul
Group: S-Trains Message: 44618 From: David Dewey Date: 7/15/2007
Subject: N ew model-auto carrier
Group: S-Trains Message: 44619 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/15/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/15/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 44620 From: M.McConnell Date: 7/15/2007
Subject: S Scale AUTO CARRIER
Group: S-Trains Message: 44621 From: lember2004 Date: 7/15/2007
Subject: Help, please, with AF 720A switch maintenance
Group: S-Trains Message: 44622 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 7/15/2007
Subject: Flyonel Docksider
Group: S-Trains Message: 44623 From: John Degnan Date: 7/15/2007
Subject: Re: S Scale AUTO CARRIER
Group: S-Trains Message: 44624 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 7/15/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Docksider
Group: S-Trains Message: 44625 From: Doug Peck Date: 7/16/2007
Subject: Dispatch
Group: S-Trains Message: 44626 From: JeryJones3@aol.com Date: 7/16/2007
Subject: Visit Cape Cod and enjoy S Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 44627 From: Bill Lane Date: 7/16/2007
Subject: Pine Canyon Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 44628 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 7/16/2007
Subject: Robert Conner
Group: S-Trains Message: 44629 From: detmer@charter.net Date: 7/16/2007
Subject: Re: Dispatch
Group: S-Trains Message: 44630 From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build Date: 7/16/2007
Subject: Address Needed...
Group: S-Trains Message: 44631 From: Tim Brown Date: 7/16/2007
Subject: Dispatch
Group: S-Trains Message: 44632 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 7/16/2007
Subject: Musical Beer Train???
Group: S-Trains Message: 44633 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 7/16/2007
Subject: WAY OFF TOPIC MODEL AIRPLANE
Group: S-Trains Message: 44634 From: charlie and edith Date: 7/16/2007
Subject: Train Collection Disposal
Group: S-Trains Message: 44635 From: Ljack70117@comcast.net Date: 7/16/2007
Subject: Re: Musical Beer Train???
Group: S-Trains Message: 44636 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 7/16/2007
Subject: Re: Musical Beer Train???
Group: S-Trains Message: 44637 From: Rick Evans Date: 7/16/2007
Subject: What would Stumpy do?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44638 From: Chris Date: 7/17/2007
Subject: N ew model-auto carrier
Group: S-Trains Message: 44639 From: wjfraley Date: 7/17/2007
Subject: Fw: S Scale Yahoo Group Seminar 7-11-07 - 9:00 PM
Group: S-Trains Message: 44640 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 7/17/2007
Subject: SOME NASG CONVENTION LAYOUTS
Group: S-Trains Message: 44641 From: wjfraley Date: 7/17/2007
Subject: NASG 2007 Baltimore Convention
Group: S-Trains Message: 44642 From: louis glumac Date: 7/18/2007
Subject: WTB 24566
Group: S-Trains Message: 44643 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/18/2007
Subject: Historian's corner
Group: S-Trains Message: 44644 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/19/2007
Subject: TCA Quarterly cover
Group: S-Trains Message: 44645 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 7/19/2007
Subject: Re: TCA Quarterly cover
Group: S-Trains Message: 44646 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 7/19/2007
Subject: Mrs. Trail (Julie Ann Gilbert)
Group: S-Trains Message: 44647 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 7/19/2007
Subject: Re: Mrs. Trail (Julie Ann Gilbert)
Group: S-Trains Message: 44648 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/19/2007
Subject: Re: Mrs. Trail (Julie Ann Gilbert)
Group: S-Trains Message: 44649 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/19/2007
Subject: Re: Mrs. Trail (Julie Ann Gilbert)
Group: S-Trains Message: 44650 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/19/2007
Subject: Re: Mrs. Trail (Julie Ann Gilbert)
Group: S-Trains Message: 44651 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/19/2007
Subject: Re: Mrs. Trail (Julie Ann Gilbert)
Group: S-Trains Message: 44652 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/19/2007
Subject: Re: TCA Quarterly cover
Group: S-Trains Message: 44653 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 7/20/2007
Subject: Brooks Stover's Outstanding DVD on Buffalo Creek and Gauley
Group: S-Trains Message: 44654 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 7/20/2007
Subject: TCA Quarterly cover
Group: S-Trains Message: 44655 From: bw_hansen Date: 7/20/2007
Subject: Code 125 vs 148
Group: S-Trains Message: 44656 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 7/21/2007
Subject: Code 125 vs. code 148
Group: S-Trains Message: 44657 From: Donald Thompson Date: 7/21/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Brooks Stover's Outstanding DVD on Buffalo Creek
Group: S-Trains Message: 44658 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 7/21/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Brooks Stover's Outstanding DVD on Buffalo ...
Group: S-Trains Message: 44659 From: David Date: 7/21/2007
Subject: Prewar Set #1219
Group: S-Trains Message: 44660 From: G C Date: 7/21/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3732
Group: S-Trains Message: 44661 From: Donald Thompson Date: 7/21/2007
Subject: Re: Blatant Advertisement - BC&G DVD]
Group: S-Trains Message: 44662 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/22/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/22/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 44663 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 7/22/2007
Subject: Re;Digest number 3732
Group: S-Trains Message: 44664 From: wjfraley Date: 7/22/2007
Subject: Brooks Stover's Buffalo Creek and Gauley on DVD
Group: S-Trains Message: 44665 From: Dennis Back Date: 7/22/2007
Subject: Interesting & Disappointing Toy Train article
Group: S-Trains Message: 44666 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/22/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/22/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 44668 From: Greene, Michael Date: 7/22/2007
Subject: 2008 NASG National Convention Web site available
Group: S-Trains Message: 44669 From: wjfraley Date: 7/22/2007
Subject: Corection on Brooks Stover's adress
Group: S-Trains Message: 44670 From: roy inman Date: 7/22/2007
Subject: FW: Auction bytes column-Help requested
Group: S-Trains Message: 44671 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 7/23/2007
Subject: Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 44673 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 7/23/2007
Subject: Re: PREVENTING SHORTA IN THE AM NORTHERN
Group: S-Trains Message: 44675 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 7/23/2007
Subject: Re: PREVENTING SHORTA IN THE AM NORTHERN ( Correction! )
Group: S-Trains Message: 44676 From: lember2004 Date: 7/23/2007
Subject: follow-up to request for help with inconsistant 720A switch resista
Group: S-Trains Message: 44677 From: Phil K Date: 7/23/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Auction bytes column-Help requested
Group: S-Trains Message: 44678 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 7/24/2007
Subject: Good News, Pine Canyon Advert
Group: S-Trains Message: 44679 From: Paul Yorke Date: 7/24/2007
Subject: Back from Alaska - Whitepass RR
Group: S-Trains Message: 44680 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 7/24/2007
Subject: Re: Back from Alaska - Whitepass RR
Group: S-Trains Message: 44681 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 7/26/2007
Subject: Mod your ACG for DCC, add smoke to a non smoker, Royal Blue, photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 44682 From: Tim Brown Date: 7/26/2007
Subject: Re: Mod your ACG for DCC, add smoke to a non smoker, Royal Blue, ph
Group: S-Trains Message: 44683 From: Don Rodgers Sr. Date: 7/27/2007
Subject: Re: Email
Group: S-Trains Message: 44684 From: Don Rodgers Sr. Date: 7/27/2007
Subject: Re: TEST
Group: S-Trains Message: 44685 From: Ingram-Jim-sListservers Date: 7/27/2007
Subject: --YouTube: Baltimore NASG Layout Tours
Group: S-Trains Message: 44686 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 7/27/2007
Subject: Re: Mod your ACG for DCC, add smoke to a non smoker, Royal Blue, ph
Group: S-Trains Message: 44687 From: Bill Lane Date: 7/27/2007
Subject: Lanes Trains Website Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 44688 From: Art Kimmel Date: 7/27/2007
Subject: 2007 COSG Timken Tanker
Group: S-Trains Message: 44689 From: Tim Brown Date: 7/27/2007
Subject: Re: --YouTube: Baltimore NASG Layout Tours
Group: S-Trains Message: 44690 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/29/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/29/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 44691 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/29/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/29/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 44692 From: toymyb Date: 7/30/2007
Subject: Too High on Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 44693 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 7/30/2007
Subject: Altoona Curve
Group: S-Trains Message: 44694 From: alansherry@comcast.net Date: 7/30/2007
Subject: Remembering Tom Snyder
Group: S-Trains Message: 44695 From: Phil K Date: 7/30/2007
Subject: New Flyonel offerings NEWS FLASH
Group: S-Trains Message: 44696 From: jnr59@aol.com Date: 7/31/2007
Subject: Compare Flynel USRA Pacific to the AM USRA Pacific
Group: S-Trains Message: 44697 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 7/31/2007
Subject: AF Northern chuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 44699 From: Bill Clark Date: 7/31/2007
Subject: S Helper Service Summer Heat Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 44700 From: roy inman Date: 7/31/2007
Subject: Re: AF Northern chuff-New engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 44701 From: Crpntr12449@aol.com Date: 7/31/2007
Subject: Altoona Curve
Group: S-Trains Message: 44702 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/31/2007
Subject: Fw: Altoona Curve
Group: S-Trains Message: 44703 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 8/1/2007
Subject: Re: Altoona Curve
Group: S-Trains Message: 44704 From: Wayne B. Date: 8/1/2007
Subject: AF Northern chuff A FINAL FIX
Group: S-Trains Message: 44705 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 8/1/2007
Subject: Re: AF Northern chuff A FINAL FIX
Group: S-Trains Message: 44706 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 8/1/2007
Subject: Re: AF Northern chuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 44707 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 8/1/2007
Subject: Re: AF Northern chuff A FINAL FIX
Group: S-Trains Message: 44708 From: Wayne B. Date: 8/1/2007
Subject: Re: AF Northern chuff A FINAL FIX
Group: S-Trains Message: 44709 From: Tim Brown Date: 8/1/2007
Subject: New Album; Hand-laid Switches and Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 44710 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 8/1/2007
Subject: Re: New Album; Hand-laid Switches and Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 44711 From: Richard Eliason Date: 8/2/2007
Subject: TRYING TO LOCATE DENNY STEINMEYER
Group: S-Trains Message: 44712 From: Tim Brown Date: 8/2/2007
Subject: Correction on the "bird grit"
Group: S-Trains Message: 44715 From: John Degnan Date: 8/2/2007
Subject: NEW PRODUCT (Shameless) ANNOUNCEMENT
Group: S-Trains Message: 44717 From: ER Date: 8/3/2007
Subject: Warning - For Sale -New AM Northern 4-8-4 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 44718 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 8/3/2007
Subject: Wanted
Group: S-Trains Message: 44719 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 8/3/2007
Subject: Re: New Album; Hand-laid Switches and Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 44720 From: Gregg Mummert Date: 8/3/2007
Subject: BIRD CAGE LITER AS BALLAST
Group: S-Trains Message: 44721 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/3/2007
Subject: 2007 Flyonel freight cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 44722 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/3/2007
Subject: 2007 Flyonel equipment is arriving at the Gilbert Gallery
Group: S-Trains Message: 44723 From: Tim Brown Date: 8/3/2007
Subject: BIRD CAGE LITER AS BALLAST
Group: S-Trains Message: 44724 From: Bill Clark Date: 8/4/2007
Subject: S Helper Service Summer Heat Sale Phase 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 44725 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 8/4/2007
Subject: 751 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 44726 From: Tim Brown Date: 8/4/2007
Subject: Re: 751 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 44727 From: Tim Brown Date: 8/4/2007
Subject: Re: 751 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 44728 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 8/4/2007
Subject: BALSA B-29 OFF TOPIC
Group: S-Trains Message: 44729 From: Bill Lane Date: 8/4/2007
Subject: CJSS Get Together
Group: S-Trains Message: 44730 From: Phil K Date: 8/4/2007
Subject: Re: BALSA B-29 OFF TOPIC
Group: S-Trains Message: 44731 From: Donald Thompson Date: 8/4/2007
Subject: Re: 2007 COSG Timken Tanker
Group: S-Trains Message: 44732 From: Tom Stolte Date: 8/4/2007
Subject: Mike Fyten's S Scale Kaw Valley Railroad
Group: S-Trains Message: 44733 From: Al Baker Date: 8/4/2007
Subject: Why did this 322 go for $285.66 ????
Group: S-Trains Message: 44734 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 8/5/2007
Subject: Franklin, Washington & rolling stock & Casey Jones What scale?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44735 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/5/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/5/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 44736 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 8/5/2007
Subject: Franklin& Washington&rolling stock&Casey Jones
Group: S-Trains Message: 44737 From: David Dewey Date: 8/5/2007
Subject: Off Topic, but historic--Save the Delta Queen!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44738 From: Rick Evans Date: 8/5/2007
Subject: Re: Franklin, Washington & rolling stock & Casey Jones What scale?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44739 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/5/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/5/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 44740 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 8/5/2007
Subject: 751 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 44741 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 8/5/2007
Subject: Re: Why did this 322 go for $285.66 ????
Group: S-Trains Message: 44742 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 8/5/2007
Subject: Re: Why did this 322 go for $285.66 ????
Group: S-Trains Message: 44743 From: Rick Evans Date: 8/5/2007
Subject: On30 conversions
Group: S-Trains Message: 44744 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 8/5/2007
Subject: Re: Why did this 322 go for $285.66 ????
Group: S-Trains Message: 44745 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 8/5/2007
Subject: BEN'S S GAUGE LAYOUT
Group: S-Trains Message: 44746 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 8/5/2007
Subject: Re: S GAUGE TRACK
Group: S-Trains Message: 44747 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/6/2007
Subject: Off Topic, but historic--Save the Delta Queen!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44748 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 8/6/2007
Subject: Re;On30 Conversions
Group: S-Trains Message: 44749 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 8/6/2007
Subject: Great News--Lionel AF Upgrade
Group: S-Trains Message: 44750 From: Sam and Judy Williamson Date: 8/6/2007
Subject: Re: Great News--Lionel AF Upgrade
Group: S-Trains Message: 44751 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 8/6/2007
Subject: FIRST AF SET
Group: S-Trains Message: 44752 From: Jack Bartman Date: 8/6/2007
Subject: TRADE O GAUGE FOR S GAUGE
Group: S-Trains Message: 44753 From: Rick Evans Date: 8/6/2007
Subject: Re;On30 Conversions
Group: S-Trains Message: 44754 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 8/6/2007
Subject: Re: FIRST AF SET
Group: S-Trains Message: 44755 From: Rick Evans Date: 8/6/2007
Subject: Re: Great News--Lionel AF Upgrade
Group: S-Trains Message: 44756 From: Phil K Date: 8/6/2007
Subject: Re: Great News--Lionel AF Upgrade
Group: S-Trains Message: 44757 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 8/6/2007
Subject: Flyonel Docksider Sticky Coupler Repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 44758 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 8/6/2007
Subject: Re: Train Room Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 44759 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 8/6/2007
Subject: Train Room Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 44760 From: Tom Hawley Date: 8/7/2007
Subject: ACG's American Flyer ALCo PA & PB
Group: S-Trains Message: 44761 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 8/7/2007
Subject: Re: FIRST AF SET
Group: S-Trains Message: 44762 From: Bill Clark Date: 8/7/2007
Subject: S Helper Service Summer Heat Sale Part 3
Group: S-Trains Message: 44763 From: flyer_af Date: 8/7/2007
Subject: Longer Lasting Smoke?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44764 From: Bruce D. Willis Date: 8/7/2007
Subject: ebay item question
Group: S-Trains Message: 44765 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 8/7/2007
Subject: Re: ebay item question
Group: S-Trains Message: 44766 From: Bruce D. Willis Date: 8/8/2007
Subject: A Collector's Corner update
Group: S-Trains Message: 44767 From: jayhoo64 Date: 8/9/2007
Subject: Re: Great News--Lionel AF Upgrade
Group: S-Trains Message: 44768 From: Dennis Back Date: 8/9/2007
Subject: Re: A Collector's Corner update
Group: S-Trains Message: 44769 From: roy inman Date: 8/9/2007
Subject: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
Group: S-Trains Message: 44770 From: Bill Clark Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Showcaseline Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 44771 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
Group: S-Trains Message: 44772 From: roy inman Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
Group: S-Trains Message: 44773 From: Marty.Thorin Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Milw Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 44774 From: frank emiro Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Chuff corrected !
Group: S-Trains Message: 44775 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Re: Milw Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 44776 From: Tim Brown Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
Group: S-Trains Message: 44777 From: roy inman Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Re: Milw Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 44778 From: Marty.Thorin Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Milw Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 44779 From: roy inman Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
Group: S-Trains Message: 44780 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
Group: S-Trains Message: 44781 From: Tim Brown Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
Group: S-Trains Message: 44782 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
Group: S-Trains Message: 44783 From: Phil K Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Re: Milw Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 44784 From: Trains Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
Group: S-Trains Message: 44785 From: innotron Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Sprog II Decoder Programmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 44786 From: Tim Brown Date: 8/11/2007
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: Sprog II Decoder Programmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 44787 From: innotron Date: 8/11/2007
Subject: previous post
Group: S-Trains Message: 44788 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 8/11/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
Group: S-Trains Message: 44789 From: David Dewey Date: 8/11/2007
Subject: DCC?? Was:Fhuff in new MR AF Flyonel
Group: S-Trains Message: 44790 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 8/11/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
Group: S-Trains Message: 44791 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 8/11/2007
Subject: Re: previous post
Group: S-Trains Message: 44792 From: uvl97222 Date: 8/11/2007
Subject: I love trains, but this is way out there!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44793 From: Rob Date: 8/11/2007
Subject: That white stuff...
Group: S-Trains Message: 44794 From: Phil K Date: 8/11/2007
Subject: Re: That white stuff...
Group: S-Trains Message: 44795 From: Tim Brown Date: 8/11/2007
Subject: Re: That white stuff...
Group: S-Trains Message: 44796 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/11/2007
Subject: For all the kitbashers and restorers and high-end collectors ...
Group: S-Trains Message: 44797 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/12/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/12/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 44798 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/12/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/12/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 44799 From: John Date: 8/12/2007
Subject: More model train software
Group: S-Trains Message: 44800 From: John Date: 8/12/2007
Subject: Free Freight house
Group: S-Trains Message: 44801 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 8/12/2007
Subject: Re: Free Freight house
Group: S-Trains Message: 44802 From: Les Mavor Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: Re: Free Freight house
Group: S-Trains Message: 44803 From: roy inman Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: FW: Other Question-Northern MR chuff fix
Group: S-Trains Message: 44804 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Other Question-Northern MR chuff fix
Group: S-Trains Message: 44805 From: Bill Clark Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Showcaseline Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 44806 From: Tim Brown Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Other Question-Northern MR chuff fix
Group: S-Trains Message: 44807 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Other Question-Northern MR chuff fix
Group: S-Trains Message: 44808 From: John Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Resistors and smoke units
Group: S-Trains Message: 44809 From: beebear Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Resistors and smoke units
Group: S-Trains Message: 44810 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: My Docksider Comment
Group: S-Trains Message: 44811 From: uvl97222 Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Smoking caboose?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44812 From: romoyer@att.net Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: AF Vista Dome Kitbash
Group: S-Trains Message: 44813 From: Tim Brown Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Re: My Docksider (eBay - inserted after my many comments) Comment
Group: S-Trains Message: 44814 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Re: AF Vista Dome Kitbash
Group: S-Trains Message: 44815 From: innotron Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Re: My Docksider Comment
Group: S-Trains Message: 44816 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Wooden Kit
Group: S-Trains Message: 44817 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Hold On Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 44818 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Wooden Kit
Group: S-Trains Message: 44819 From: frank emiro Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: My Docksider (eBay - inserted after my many comments) Comment
Group: S-Trains Message: 44820 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Hold On Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 44821 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Hold On Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 44822 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Docksider Blues and smoking cabooses
Group: S-Trains Message: 44823 From: Tim Brown Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: My Docksider (eBay - inserted after my many comments) Comment
Group: S-Trains Message: 44824 From: Larry Moore Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Hold On Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 44825 From: Phil K Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Hold On Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 44826 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Hold On Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 44827 From: Donald Thompson Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Hold On Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 44828 From: Larry Moore Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Hold On Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 44829 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Hold On Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 44830 From: Donald Thompson Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Hold On Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 44831 From: Carl Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: AMERICAN Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 44832 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: But whose fault is it?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44833 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Chinese Labor Costs
Group: S-Trains Message: 44834 From: Scott Freeman Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: Hold On Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 44835 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Labor charges
Group: S-Trains Message: 44836 From: Larry Moore Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: But whose fault is it?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44837 From: David Dewey Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Long-term issues with Flyonel
Group: S-Trains Message: 44838 From: ecphora123 Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: But whose fault is it?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44839 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: But whose fault is it?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44840 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: Long-term issues with Flyonel
Group: S-Trains Message: 44841 From: ecphora123 Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: Wooden Kit
Group: S-Trains Message: 44842 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: Wooden Kit
Group: S-Trains Message: 44843 From: Donald Thompson Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: Hold On Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 44844 From: Phil K Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: Chinese Labor Costs
Group: S-Trains Message: 44845 From: Phil K Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: Hold On Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 44846 From: Trains Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: AMERICAN Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 44847 From: Phil K Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: AMERICAN Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 44848 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Flyionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 44849 From: muniman18 Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: FLYonel
Group: S-Trains Message: 44850 From: Lance McCold Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: Resistors and smoke units
Group: S-Trains Message: 44851 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: FLYonel
Group: S-Trains Message: 44852 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: FLYonel
Group: S-Trains Message: 44853 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re;Labor costs
Group: S-Trains Message: 44854 From: David Dewey Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Long-term issues with Flyonel--It's not ALL bad.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44855 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: Re;Labor costs
Group: S-Trains Message: 44856 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Labor Costs - A fun example for my friend Stumpy
Group: S-Trains Message: 44857 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: Re;Labor costs
Group: S-Trains Message: 44858 From: Scale S Only Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: Labor Costs - A fun example for my friend Stumpy
Group: S-Trains Message: 44859 From: clayton deich Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: Re;Labor costs
Group: S-Trains Message: 44860 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: [toytrains] York Meet notice
Group: S-Trains Message: 44861 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: Re;Labor costs
Group: S-Trains Message: 44862 From: Phil K Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: Labor Costs - Another fun example
Group: S-Trains Message: 44863 From: Gary Chudzinski Date: 8/18/2007
Subject: Re: Labor Costs - Another fun example
Group: S-Trains Message: 44864 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 8/18/2007
Subject: Re: Re;Labor costs
Group: S-Trains Message: 44865 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 8/18/2007
Subject: Re: Labor Costs - Another fun example
Group: S-Trains Message: 44866 From: Phil K Date: 8/18/2007
Subject: Re: Labor Costs - Another fun example
Group: S-Trains Message: 44867 From: lvtrainmeet Date: 8/18/2007
Subject: Nice Flyer Pictures from Allentown Pa train meet
Group: S-Trains Message: 44868 From: Phil K Date: 8/18/2007
Subject: Re: Labor Costs - Another fun example
Group: S-Trains Message: 44869 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/19/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/19/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 44870 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 8/19/2007
Subject: How I started in S
Group: S-Trains Message: 44871 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/19/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/19/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 44872 From: Donald Thompson Date: 8/19/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Nice Flyer Pictures at Allentown train meet
Group: S-Trains Message: 44873 From: Tim Brown Date: 8/21/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Nice Flyer Pictures at Allentown train meet
Group: S-Trains Message: 44874 From: Jack Bartman Date: 8/21/2007
Subject: TOMS TURNOUTS CODE125
Group: S-Trains Message: 44875 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 8/23/2007
Subject: Popsicle Sticks - Help!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44876 From: Phil K Date: 8/23/2007
Subject: Re: Popsicle Sticks - Help!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44877 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 8/23/2007
Subject: Re: Popsicle Sticks - Help!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44878 From: mdivcag1 Date: 8/23/2007
Subject: Popsicle sticks
Group: S-Trains Message: 44879 From: RCESpeak Date: 8/24/2007
Subject: Popsicle Sticks - Help!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44880 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 8/24/2007
Subject: Re: Popsicle Sticks - Help!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44881 From: Trains Date: 8/24/2007
Subject: Scenery hints re: filling in depressions etc. with Bondo???
Group: S-Trains Message: 44882 From: ER Date: 8/25/2007
Subject: Warning: TWO items for sale well under list price
Group: S-Trains Message: 44883 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/26/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/26/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 44884 From: louis glumac Date: 8/26/2007
Subject: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains Message: 44885 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/26/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/26/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 44886 From: Donald Thompson Date: 8/26/2007
Subject: Re: SHS Display Model Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 44887 From: porschebob1953 Date: 8/27/2007
Subject: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 44888 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 8/27/2007
Subject: Re: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 44889 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 8/27/2007
Subject: Re: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 44890 From: detmer@charter.net Date: 8/27/2007
Subject: Re: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 44891 From: Ed Date: 8/27/2007
Subject: Re: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 44892 From: arena-10@sbcglobal.net Date: 8/27/2007
Subject: Re: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 44893 From: Larry Moore Date: 8/27/2007
Subject: Re: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 44894 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 8/27/2007
Subject: Re: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar, why buy any Lionel AF freight cars ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44895 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: Re: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 44896 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 44897 From: Gary Chudzinski Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: Re: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 44898 From: Bill Drake Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 44899 From: velapoldi Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 44900 From: roy inman Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: Re: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 44901 From: roy inman Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: FW: General Product Question-AF Christmas Box
Group: S-Trains Message: 44902 From: Ed Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: Re: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 44903 From: Bill Vasilion Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: 30 %off at hobby shop
Group: S-Trains Message: 44904 From: Bill Vasilion Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: Bill's englewood Station
Group: S-Trains Message: 44905 From: Allan V Eisenhaur Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: MP54
Group: S-Trains Message: 44906 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 44907 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: WARNING EBAY TRAIN ITEM
Group: S-Trains Message: 44908 From: Art Shifrin Date: 8/29/2007
Subject: 200146678077 AF rocket car ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 44909 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 8/29/2007
Subject: Re: WARNING EBAY TRAIN ITEM
Group: S-Trains Message: 44910 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 8/29/2007
Subject: Re: WARNING EBAY TRAIN ITEM
Group: S-Trains Message: 44911 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 8/29/2007
Subject: Re: 200146678077 AF rocket car ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 44912 From: ER Date: 8/30/2007
Subject: ITEMS for sale well under list price - Warning the term Hi-rail is
Group: S-Trains Message: 44913 From: Donald Thompson Date: 8/30/2007
Subject: Re: 26th annual Fall Get-Together
Group: S-Trains Message: 44914 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 8/30/2007
Subject: Re: 26th annual Fall Get-Together
Group: S-Trains Message: 44915 From: Scale S Only Date: 8/30/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: [S-Trains] RE: 26th annual Fall Get-Together
Group: S-Trains Message: 44916 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 8/31/2007
Subject: Free Shipping Extended - Pine Canyon Advertisement
Group: S-Trains Message: 44917 From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build Date: 8/31/2007
Subject: URL
Group: S-Trains Message: 44918 From: RCESpeak Date: 9/1/2007
Subject: URL
Group: S-Trains Message: 44919 From: Trains Date: 9/1/2007
Subject: S Gauge Heralds
Group: S-Trains Message: 44920 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/2/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/2/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 44921 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/2/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/2/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 44922 From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build Date: 9/2/2007
Subject: Lots of S
Group: S-Trains Message: 44923 From: race944t Date: 9/2/2007
Subject: York passes arrived
Group: S-Trains Message: 44924 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 9/3/2007
Subject: Atlantic questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 44925 From: geep39 Date: 9/3/2007
Subject: Atlantics! Aieeeee!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44926 From: Tim Brown Date: 9/3/2007
Subject: Re: Atlantic questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 44927 From: clayton deich Date: 9/3/2007
Subject: Re: Atlantic questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 44928 From: clayton deich Date: 9/3/2007
Subject: Re: Atlantics! Aieeeee!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44929 From: clayton deich Date: 9/3/2007
Subject: Re: Atlantic questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 44930 From: Vin Kosobiecki Date: 9/3/2007
Subject: Atlantic questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 44931 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 9/4/2007
Subject: Re: Atlantic questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 44932 From: Art Shifrin Date: 9/4/2007
Subject: Re: Atlantics! Aieeeee!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44933 From: Ingram-Jim-sListservers Date: 9/4/2007
Subject: ?? re ACSG Tidewater Div, Train Control @ Baltimore NASG
Group: S-Trains Message: 44934 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 9/5/2007
Subject: ?? re ACSG Tidewater Div, Train Control @ Baltimore NASG
Group: S-Trains Message: 44935 From: omahakid2003 Date: 9/5/2007
Subject: american flyer trains dot com
Group: S-Trains Message: 44936 From: G C Date: 9/6/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3775
Group: S-Trains Message: 44937 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 9/6/2007
Subject: AF 342 DCC conversion, pics posted in photo album
Group: S-Trains Message: 44938 From: tedcanflyer Date: 9/7/2007
Subject: Warning... American Flyer eBay comment enclosed
Group: S-Trains Message: 44939 From: Ingram-Jim-sListservers Date: 9/7/2007
Subject: --YouTube #2: Baltimore NASG Hotel Layouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 44940 From: Ingram-Jim-sListservers Date: 9/7/2007
Subject: More ?? re ACSG Tidewater Div, Train Control @ Baltimore NASG
Group: S-Trains Message: 44941 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 9/7/2007
Subject: Re: AF 342 DCC conversion, pics posted in photo album
Group: S-Trains Message: 44944 From: Cary Date: 9/7/2007
Subject: 21165 repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 44945 From: Ron Inscho Date: 9/7/2007
Subject: Re: 21165 repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 44946 From: Robert A Persing Date: 9/8/2007
Subject: Re: 21165 repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 44947 From: Joe Haenn Date: 9/8/2007
Subject: Re: More ?? re ACSG Tidewater Div, Train Control @ Baltimore NASG
Group: S-Trains Message: 44948 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 9/8/2007
Subject: The Corner, Another Version of Cruising Main 1, News Advert
Group: S-Trains Message: 44949 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/9/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/9/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 44950 From: Doug Peck Date: 9/9/2007
Subject: 21165 repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 44951 From: John Degnan Date: 9/9/2007
Subject: New Manufacturer???
Group: S-Trains Message: 44952 From: roy inman Date: 9/9/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} New Manufacturer???
Group: S-Trains Message: 44953 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/9/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/9/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 44954 From: Scale S Only Date: 9/9/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} New Manufacturer???
Group: S-Trains Message: 44955 From: John Degnan Date: 9/9/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} New Manufacturer???
Group: S-Trains Message: 44956 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 9/9/2007
Subject: Re: american flyer trains dot com
Group: S-Trains Message: 44957 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 9/9/2007
Subject: UP 844 pictures taken today
Group: S-Trains Message: 44958 From: lvtrainmeet Date: 9/9/2007
Subject: Good Train meet coming Sept. 15-16 Allentown PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 44959 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 9/9/2007
Subject: Re: american flyer trains dot com
Group: S-Trains Message: 44960 From: Bill Lane Date: 9/10/2007
Subject: Bulk Ballast source
Group: S-Trains Message: 44961 From: Robert Graves Date: 9/11/2007
Subject: My head is spinning!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44962 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 9/11/2007
Subject: Keystone Line - Real or Repro??
Group: S-Trains Message: 44963 From: rdgroup427 Date: 9/11/2007
Subject: Gilbert Gallery
Group: S-Trains Message: 44964 From: Dale Smith Date: 9/11/2007
Subject: Re: Keystone Line - Real or Repro??
Group: S-Trains Message: 44966 From: Wayne B. Date: 9/12/2007
Subject: who's collection is this for sale?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44967 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 9/12/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Vertical Clearance
Group: S-Trains Message: 44968 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 9/12/2007
Subject: Re: who's collection is this for sale?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44969 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 9/12/2007
Subject: Re: Keystone Line - Real or Repro??
Group: S-Trains Message: 44970 From: bphent Date: 9/13/2007
Subject: S Gauge Backdrop Scenes
Group: S-Trains Message: 44971 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 9/13/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3782
Group: S-Trains Message: 44972 From: hjsheff Date: 9/13/2007
Subject: Pre war AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 44973 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 9/14/2007
Subject: Auction companys
Group: S-Trains Message: 44974 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 9/14/2007
Subject: pre ward AF engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 44975 From: Robert Graves Date: 9/14/2007
Subject: Re: Gilbert Gallery - here's the URL
Group: S-Trains Message: 44976 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 9/15/2007
Subject: cleaning plastic
Group: S-Trains Message: 44977 From: Roger Walton Date: 9/15/2007
Subject: Auction companys
Group: S-Trains Message: 44978 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/15/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/16/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 44979 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 9/15/2007
Subject: Re: cleaning plastic
Group: S-Trains Message: 44980 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 9/15/2007
Subject: Re: 343 REV. UNIT
Group: S-Trains Message: 44981 From: David Dewey Date: 9/16/2007
Subject: 343 reverse unit question--answer!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44982 From: Tim Brown Date: 9/16/2007
Subject: New Construction
Group: S-Trains Message: 44983 From: WILLIAM HUTTON Date: 9/16/2007
Subject: Re: cleaning plastic
Group: S-Trains Message: 44984 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 9/16/2007
Subject: Cleaning plastic
Group: S-Trains Message: 44985 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 9/16/2007
Subject: Re: 343 REV UNIT THANK YOU
Group: S-Trains Message: 44986 From: faltrain5 Date: 9/16/2007
Subject: Train Show Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 44987 From: RCESpeak Date: 9/16/2007
Subject: Email Contact
Group: S-Trains Message: 44988 From: Lance McCold Date: 9/16/2007
Subject: Re: cleaning plastic
Group: S-Trains Message: 44989 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/16/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/16/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 44990 From: ecphora123 Date: 9/16/2007
Subject: Wheel Puller
Group: S-Trains Message: 44991 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 9/16/2007
Subject: Re: 343 SCREW
Group: S-Trains Message: 44992 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 9/16/2007
Subject: cleaning plastic
Group: S-Trains Message: 44993 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 9/17/2007
Subject: Re: cleaning plastic
Group: S-Trains Message: 44994 From: J Hufnagel Date: 9/17/2007
Subject: American Flyer Passenger Car 349 Circus 350 or similar and Circus
Group: S-Trains Message: 44995 From: Doug Peck Date: 9/17/2007
Subject: Wheel Puller
Group: S-Trains Message: 44996 From: David Dewey Date: 9/17/2007
Subject: Cleaning plastic
Group: S-Trains Message: 44997 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 9/17/2007
Subject: Re: cleaning plastic
Group: S-Trains Message: 44998 From: ecphora123 Date: 9/17/2007
Subject: Gilbert AF Plastic
Group: S-Trains Message: 44999 From: John Keating Date: 9/17/2007
Subject: 21005 Tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 45000 From: Donald Thompson Date: 9/18/2007
Subject: Re: More SHS shameless promotion....
Group: S-Trains Message: 45001 From: Bill Lane Date: 9/18/2007
Subject: Central Jersey S Scalers Fall Get Together
Group: S-Trains Message: 45002 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 9/18/2007
Subject: RASG Club Recruiting
Group: S-Trains Message: 45003 From: trainnut1627 Date: 9/18/2007
Subject: Transformer Circuit Protectors
Group: S-Trains Message: 45004 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 9/18/2007
Subject: Re: Transformer Circuit Protectors
Group: S-Trains Message: 45005 From: nasglibrary Date: 9/18/2007
Subject: Mobley Library vacation
Group: S-Trains Message: 45006 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 9/18/2007
Subject: GG1 with ladders
Group: S-Trains Message: 45007 From: CyberSavant Date: 9/18/2007
Subject: New to the Hobby
Group: S-Trains Message: 45008 From: Rhett George Date: 9/18/2007
Subject: Re: pre-war locomotive
Group: S-Trains Message: 45009 From: roy inman Date: 9/18/2007
Subject: Re: New to the Hobby
Group: S-Trains Message: 45010 From: rj4010d Date: 9/18/2007
Subject: smoke in tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 45011 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 9/18/2007
Subject: Re: New to the Hobby
Group: S-Trains Message: 45012 From: CyberSavant Date: 9/18/2007
Subject: Re: New to the Hobby
Group: S-Trains Message: 45013 From: jnr59@aol.com Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: ONLY 43 MORE DAYS TIL FALL S FEST IN ST LOUIS...READ ON BELOW FOR D
Group: S-Trains Message: 45014 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: Transformer Circuit Protectors
Group: S-Trains Message: 45015 From: Doug Peck Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: Transformer Circuit Protectors
Group: S-Trains Message: 45016 From: Donald Thompson Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: Re: CJSS Fall Get Together this weekend
Group: S-Trains Message: 45017 From: Laura Zase &Gary Clark Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: S-Fest
Group: S-Trains Message: 45018 From: jeff silvera Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: pre war AF engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 45019 From: ecphora123 Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: Gilbert No963 Observation Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 45020 From: Donald Thompson Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: Re: Port Lines at CJSS Fall Get Together this weekend
Group: S-Trains Message: 45021 From: Alan Evans Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: Re: smoke in tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 45022 From: Wayne B. Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: SHS Christmas car wanted
Group: S-Trains Message: 45023 From: Robert A Persing Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: Re: Transformer Circuit Protectors
Group: S-Trains Message: 45024 From: geep39 Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: Gilbert 963 Observation Car Prototype
Group: S-Trains Message: 45025 From: Laura Zase &Gary Clark Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: YORK SHOWS
Group: S-Trains Message: 45026 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: Re: smoke in tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 45027 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: cleaning plastic
Group: S-Trains Message: 45028 From: Rob Date: 9/20/2007
Subject: Lettering locomotives
Group: S-Trains Message: 45029 From: trainnut1627 Date: 9/20/2007
Subject: 15B Transformer Circuit Breaker
Group: S-Trains Message: 45030 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 9/20/2007
Subject: Re: Lettering locomotives
Group: S-Trains Message: 45031 From: Don Rodgers Sr. Date: 9/20/2007
Subject: Re: Test
Group: S-Trains Message: 45032 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 9/20/2007
Subject: Re: YORK SHOWS
Group: S-Trains Message: 45033 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 9/20/2007
Subject: Gilbert Heritage Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 45034 From: Phil K Date: 9/20/2007
Subject: Re: Gilbert Heritage Book
Group: S-Trains Message: 45035 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 9/21/2007
Subject: Sam's in Trouble!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45036 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 9/21/2007
Subject: Re: Sam's in Trouble!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45037 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 9/21/2007
Subject: Lead Paint
Group: S-Trains Message: 45038 From: Donald Thompson Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: Re: Lead Paint
Group: S-Trains Message: 45039 From: Trains Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Sam's in Trouble!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45040 From: roy inman Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: Re: Lead Paint
Group: S-Trains Message: 45041 From: frank emiro Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: Lead Paint
Group: S-Trains Message: 45042 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: Lead Paint
Group: S-Trains Message: 45043 From: Phil K Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: Lead Poisoning
Group: S-Trains Message: 45044 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: Re: LEAD IN GENERAL
Group: S-Trains Message: 45045 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: Montana
Group: S-Trains Message: 45046 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: Re: Lead Poisoning
Group: S-Trains Message: 45047 From: CyberSavant Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: S-Scale engines, caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 45048 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/23/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 45049 From: clayton deich Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: Re: LEAD IN GENERAL
Group: S-Trains Message: 45050 From: Al Baker Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: Playing with lead !
Group: S-Trains Message: 45051 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: Re: S-Scale engines, caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 45052 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 9/23/2007
Subject: Re: Playing with lead !
Group: S-Trains Message: 45053 From: warren_chadbourne Date: 9/23/2007
Subject: Lead paint
Group: S-Trains Message: 45054 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 9/23/2007
Subject: Re: Lead paint
Group: S-Trains Message: 45055 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/23/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/23/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 45056 From: ken_5556 Date: 9/23/2007
Subject: Re: Cleaning plastic
Group: S-Trains Message: 45057 From: hobo47203 Date: 9/23/2007
Subject: 4th Annual Indianapolis S Show
Group: S-Trains Message: 45058 From: Robert Graves Date: 9/24/2007
Subject: Re: 21005 Tender: Pictures of underside are now online
Group: S-Trains Message: 45059 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 9/24/2007
Subject: WARNING!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45060 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 9/24/2007
Subject: Re: 21005 Tender: Pictures of underside are now online
Group: S-Trains Message: 45061 From: Tim Brown Date: 9/24/2007
Subject: Re: 21005 Tender: Pictures of underside are now online
Group: S-Trains Message: 45062 From: roy inman Date: 9/24/2007
Subject: Re: WARNING!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45063 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 9/24/2007
Subject: Re: WARNING! not train related Stumpys note
Group: S-Trains Message: 45064 From: G C Date: 9/24/2007
Subject: Re: WARNING!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45065 From: hobo47203 Date: 9/24/2007
Subject: Indianapolis S Show flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 45066 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 9/24/2007
Subject: Re: WARNING!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45067 From: Edward G. Date: 9/25/2007
Subject: Don Thompson....Please Goose us....!!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45068 From: Edward G. Date: 9/25/2007
Subject: Re ....Goose....
Group: S-Trains Message: 45069 From: G C Date: 9/25/2007
Subject: Re: WARNING!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45070 From: beebear Date: 9/25/2007
Subject: Re: Don Thompson....Please Goose us....!!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45071 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 9/25/2007
Subject: Re: WARNING!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45072 From: beebear Date: 9/25/2007
Subject: Re: Re ....Goose....
Group: S-Trains Message: 45073 From: roy inman Date: 9/25/2007
Subject: FW: WARNING!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45074 From: Scale S Only Date: 9/25/2007
Subject: Re: Don Thompson....Please Goose us....!!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45075 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 9/25/2007
Subject: Re: WARNING!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45076 From: Trains Date: 9/25/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Don Thompson....Please Goose us....!!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45077 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 9/25/2007
Subject: Re: WARNING!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45078 From: roy inman Date: 9/25/2007
Subject: Re: WARNING!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45079 From: Scale S Only Date: 9/25/2007
Subject: Re: WARNING!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45080 From: Bill Lane Date: 9/26/2007
Subject: website update
Group: S-Trains Message: 45081 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 9/26/2007
Subject: Keeping an eye on Pine Canyon, advert
Group: S-Trains Message: 45082 From: Gary Chudzinski Date: 9/26/2007
Subject: Re: Warning - Risk!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45083 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 9/26/2007
Subject: Re;re:WARNING
Group: S-Trains Message: 45084 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 9/26/2007
Subject: Re: Re;re:WARNING
Group: S-Trains Message: 45085 From: TWesthelle@aol.com Date: 9/26/2007
Subject: Re: Warning - Risk!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45086 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 9/26/2007
Subject: Re: Re;re:WARNING
Group: S-Trains Message: 45087 From: Mike Rosz Date: 9/26/2007
Subject: real trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 45088 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 9/26/2007
Subject: Goose in s gauge?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45089 From: Phil K Date: 9/26/2007
Subject: S in hobby shops
Group: S-Trains Message: 45090 From: Donald Thompson Date: 9/26/2007
Subject: Re: S Scale in Hobby Shops
Group: S-Trains Message: 45091 From: roy inman Date: 9/26/2007
Subject: Re: Warning - Risk!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45092 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 9/27/2007
Subject: New S Gauge Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 45093 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 9/27/2007
Subject: Re: New S Gauge Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 45095 From: bob barbara Date: 9/27/2007
Subject: 24565 cannon car
Group: S-Trains Message: 45096 From: Mark Koenig Date: 9/28/2007
Subject: 955 inserts
Group: S-Trains Message: 45097 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 9/29/2007
Subject: S-Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 45098 From: Phil K Date: 9/29/2007
Subject: Re: S-Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 45099 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/29/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/30/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 45100 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 9/29/2007
Subject: BULLETIN--S Ga Boxcars
Group: S-Trains Message: 45103 From: Phil K Date: 9/30/2007
Subject: Let's stick to trains and other non-volatile topics
Group: S-Trains Message: 45104 From: clayton deich Date: 9/30/2007
Subject: Re: Let's stick to trains and other non-volatile topics
Group: S-Trains Message: 45105 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 9/30/2007
Subject: Re: 343 TENDER GRAB/HAND RAIL
Group: S-Trains Message: 45106 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/30/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/30/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 45107 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 9/30/2007
Subject: Re: Let's stick to trains and other non-volatile topics
Group: S-Trains Message: 45108 From: Tim Brown Date: 9/30/2007
Subject: I love a good flame
Group: S-Trains Message: 45109 From: Art Shifrin Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: thefts from Bob's Hobby Shop
Group: S-Trains Message: 45110 From: trainnut1627 Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Non- S Related Postings
Group: S-Trains Message: 45111 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Re: Non- S Related Postings
Group: S-Trains Message: 45112 From: roy inman Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Re: S-Fest
Group: S-Trains Message: 45113 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Re: S-Fest
Group: S-Trains Message: 45114 From: Phil K Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Re: Non- S Related Postings
Group: S-Trains Message: 45115 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Re: S-Fest
Group: S-Trains Message: 45116 From: roy inman Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Re: S-Fest
Group: S-Trains Message: 45117 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Tim Brown's Work-In-Progress
Group: S-Trains Message: 45118 From: Rick Evans Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Re: Tim Brown's Work-In-Progress
Group: S-Trains Message: 45119 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Re: Non- S Related Postings
Group: S-Trains Message: 45120 From: Rick Evans Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Tim Brown's Work-In-Progress
Group: S-Trains Message: 45121 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 45122 From: A. E. Johnson Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Re: thefts from Bob's Hobby Shop
Group: S-Trains Message: 45123 From: Henry Buehling Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Re: Rip off from over seas to a long standing hobby store.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45124 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: York Room
Group: S-Trains Message: 45125 From: Bill Drake Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Bob's experience
Group: S-Trains Message: 45126 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Re: Non- S Related Postings
Group: S-Trains Message: 45127 From: velapoldi Date: 10/2/2007
Subject: Re: Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 45128 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 10/2/2007
Subject: Non-related posts and the Bob's thing...
Group: S-Trains Message: 45129 From: Phil K Date: 10/2/2007
Subject: Re: Non-related posts and the Bob's thing...
Group: S-Trains Message: 45130 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 10/2/2007
Subject: Re: Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 45131 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 10/2/2007
Subject: Re: Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 45132 From: Steve Date: 10/2/2007
Subject: "theft" from the hobby store
Group: S-Trains Message: 45133 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 10/2/2007
Subject: Re: "theft" from the hobby store
Group: S-Trains Message: 45134 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/2/2007
Subject: You want train talk?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45135 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: You want train talk?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45136 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Atlantics: Flyer vs. Atlas O
Group: S-Trains Message: 45137 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: York Flyer Nut Meeting
Group: S-Trains Message: 45138 From: G C Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Re: Atlantics: Flyer vs. Atlas O
Group: S-Trains Message: 45139 From: Dave Highfield Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Train talk
Group: S-Trains Message: 45140 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Re: Atlantics: Flyer vs. Atlas O
Group: S-Trains Message: 45141 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Re: Atlantics: Flyer vs. Atlas O
Group: S-Trains Message: 45142 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: More train talk
Group: S-Trains Message: 45143 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: You want train talk?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45144 From: Rick Evans Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Re: You want train talk?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45145 From: A. E. Johnson Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Re: "theft" from the hobby store
Group: S-Trains Message: 45146 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Re: Atlantics: Flyer vs. Atlas O
Group: S-Trains Message: 45147 From: lember2004 Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: mutiple whistles at once
Group: S-Trains Message: 45148 From: Art Shifrin Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: tinkering, nuthin' else
Group: S-Trains Message: 45149 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Re: tinkering, nuthin' else
Group: S-Trains Message: 45150 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Re: "theft" from the hobby store
Group: S-Trains Message: 45151 From: Jeff Silvera Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: River City Toy Train Meet
Group: S-Trains Message: 45152 From: Al Baker Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Tenders for Royal Blue 350 and 556
Group: S-Trains Message: 45153 From: hjsheff Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Pre war AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 45154 From: Tom Hawley Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Train Show near Cleveland
Group: S-Trains Message: 45155 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Re: mutiple whistles at once
Group: S-Trains Message: 45156 From: Art Shifrin Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: photo album entires
Group: S-Trains Message: 45157 From: Bill Drake Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: Re: mutiple whistles at once
Group: S-Trains Message: 45159 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: Re: TOOL TO CUT VERY NARROW GAPS
Group: S-Trains Message: 45160 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: Re: photo album entires
Group: S-Trains Message: 45161 From: Rhett George Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: Reproportioned trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 45162 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: Bakers Chocolate
Group: S-Trains Message: 45163 From: Rhett George Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: Tenders for streamliners
Group: S-Trains Message: 45164 From: Al Baker Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: Re: Tenders for streamliners
Group: S-Trains Message: 45165 From: Alan Evans Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: Re: Tenders for Royal Blue 350 and 556
Group: S-Trains Message: 45166 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: PRR & READING S GA BOXCARS--update
Group: S-Trains Message: 45167 From: faltrain5 Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: The 961 car??????
Group: S-Trains Message: 45168 From: Paul4Schil@aol.com Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: Re: PRR & READING S GA BOXCARS--update
Group: S-Trains Message: 45169 From: Tom Hawley Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: Train Show at County Fair Grounds, Berea (Cleveland) Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 45170 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: Re: "theft" from the hobby store
Group: S-Trains Message: 45171 From: jnr59@aol.com Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: ONLY 28 DAYS LEFT TIL FALL S FEST, ST LOUIS, MORE DETAILS BELOW
Group: S-Trains Message: 45172 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 10/5/2007
Subject: Re: The 961 car??????
Group: S-Trains Message: 45173 From: Robert Graves Date: 10/5/2007
Subject: Re: The 961 car??????
Group: S-Trains Message: 45174 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 10/5/2007
Subject: Re: The 961 car??????
Group: S-Trains Message: 45175 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/5/2007
Subject: CTT
Group: S-Trains Message: 45176 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 10/5/2007
Subject: Re: CTT
Group: S-Trains Message: 45177 From: Rick Evans Date: 10/5/2007
Subject: Doug Peck gets a mention in CTT
Group: S-Trains Message: 45178 From: G C Date: 10/5/2007
Subject: Re: Tenders for Royal Blue 350 and 556
Group: S-Trains Message: 45179 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 10/5/2007
Subject: AF Musical boxcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 45180 From: Paul4Schil@aol.com Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: Doug Peck gets a mention in CTT
Group: S-Trains Message: 45181 From: velapoldi Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: OO scale
Group: S-Trains Message: 45182 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Fifteen Cars & Counting
Group: S-Trains Message: 45183 From: velapoldi Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: OO
Group: S-Trains Message: 45184 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: CTT
Group: S-Trains Message: 45185 From: Phil K Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Send the answers to the board, please!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45186 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: OO scale
Group: S-Trains Message: 45187 From: Bill Drake Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: New collection items need information
Group: S-Trains Message: 45188 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} OO scale
Group: S-Trains Message: 45189 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: Send the answers to the board, please!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45190 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} OO scale
Group: S-Trains Message: 45191 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: Fifteen Cars & Counting
Group: S-Trains Message: 45192 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: Send the answers to the board, please!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45193 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: Send the answers to the board, please!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45194 From: Rick Evans Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: Send the answers to the board, please!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45195 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Converting to Kadee couplers, etc.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45196 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: Converting to Kadee couplers, etc.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45197 From: velapoldi Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: Send the answers to the board, please!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45198 From: bob barbara Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: New collection items need information
Group: S-Trains Message: 45199 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Layouts at S Fest ? Any S-MOD ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45200 From: bob barbara Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: The 961 car??????
Group: S-Trains Message: 45201 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: Send the answers to the board, please!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45202 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: More on the Atlas O/Industrial Rails Atlantic
Group: S-Trains Message: 45203 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/7/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 45204 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: Converting to Kadee couplers, etc.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45205 From: Bruce Willis Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Body vs. truck mounted couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45206 From: Trains Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] More on the Atlas O/Industrial Rails Atlantic
Group: S-Trains Message: 45207 From: Al Baker Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: My Pennsy E-6 4-4-2 S Gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 45208 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: Body vs. truck mounted couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45209 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Body vs. truck mounted couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45210 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Body vs. truck mounted couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45211 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: Body vs. truck mounted couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45212 From: Art Shifrin Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: truck v. body mounted couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45213 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Body vs. truck mounted couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45214 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: truck v. body mounted couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45215 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: S gauge drivers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45216 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: Body vs. truck mounted couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45217 From: Al Baker Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: My Pennsy E-6 4-4-2 S Gauge - and others
Group: S-Trains Message: 45218 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: The letter S
Group: S-Trains Message: 45219 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: Body vs. truck mounted couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45220 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: OPEN HOUSE - YORK WEEK Oct. 17th
Group: S-Trains Message: 45221 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: WAY OFF TOPIC.... ABOUT TRAINS
Group: S-Trains Message: 45222 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/7/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 45223 From: Al Paolozzi Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: The letter S
Group: S-Trains Message: 45224 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: The letter S
Group: S-Trains Message: 45225 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: My Pennsy E-6 4-4-2 S Gauge - and others
Group: S-Trains Message: 45226 From: Phil K Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: The letter S
Group: S-Trains Message: 45227 From: Phil K Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Another possible attribution
Group: S-Trains Message: 45228 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: The letter S
Group: S-Trains Message: 45229 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC.... ABOUT TRAINS
Group: S-Trains Message: 45230 From: yorktown26 Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: My new Lionel American Flyer Milwaukee Road Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 45231 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: My new Lionel American Flyer Milwaukee Road Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 45232 From: Trains Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Re: Body vs. truck mounted couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45233 From: David Engle Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: The letter S
Group: S-Trains Message: 45234 From: Phil K Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: SPECIAL NOTICE
Group: S-Trains Message: 45235 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: SPECIAL NOTICE
Group: S-Trains Message: 45236 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Compact Flyer switches.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45237 From: velapoldi Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: The letter S
Group: S-Trains Message: 45238 From: Rick Evans Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: And speaking of that AF layout in CTT
Group: S-Trains Message: 45239 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: SPECIAL NOTICE
Group: S-Trains Message: 45240 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Cleveland Model & Supply
Group: S-Trains Message: 45241 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Body vs. truck mounted couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45242 From: yorktown26 Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: My new Lionel American Flyer Milwaukee Road Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 45243 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: Compact Flyer switches.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45244 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: My new Lionel American Flyer Milwaukee Road Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 45245 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Opps! Conversation!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45246 From: Donald Thompson Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: Blatant SHS commercialism
Group: S-Trains Message: 45247 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: Body vs. truck mounted couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45248 From: roy inman Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: Cleveland Model & Supply
Group: S-Trains Message: 45249 From: edzdan Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: York Room
Group: S-Trains Message: 45250 From: edzdan Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: York Room
Group: S-Trains Message: 45251 From: roy inman Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: Cleveland Model & Supply
Group: S-Trains Message: 45252 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: York Room
Group: S-Trains Message: 45253 From: Phil K Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: SPECIAL NOTICE
Group: S-Trains Message: 45254 From: Phil K Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: Cleveland Model & Supply
Group: S-Trains Message: 45255 From: Don Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Duke energy
Group: S-Trains Message: 45256 From: afjerryk5 Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Coupler height gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 45257 From: Robert Graves Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Pulley wheels on the #944 Industrial Brownhoist
Group: S-Trains Message: 45258 From: roy inman Date: 10/9/2007
Subject: Re: Cleveland Model & Supply
Group: S-Trains Message: 45259 From: roy inman Date: 10/9/2007
Subject: Re: Duke energy
Group: S-Trains Message: 45260 From: roy inman Date: 10/9/2007
Subject: Pine Canyon items
Group: S-Trains Message: 45261 From: Doug Peck Date: 10/9/2007
Subject: Re: Cleveland Model & Supply
Group: S-Trains Message: 45262 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 10/9/2007
Subject: Re: Coupler height gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 45263 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 10/9/2007
Subject: Re: Duke energy
Group: S-Trains Message: 45264 From: Alan Evans Date: 10/9/2007
Subject: O Scale Kadees and Flyer knuckles
Group: S-Trains Message: 45265 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/9/2007
Subject: Re: O Scale Kadees and Flyer knuckles
Group: S-Trains Message: 45266 From: roy inman Date: 10/9/2007
Subject: Re: Duke energy
Group: S-Trains Message: 45267 From: Trains Date: 10/9/2007
Subject: Re: Coupler height gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 45268 From: ham_45242 Date: 10/10/2007
Subject: AF #591 Crossing Gate
Group: S-Trains Message: 45269 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 10/10/2007
Subject: Pennsylvania ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45270 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 10/10/2007
Subject: Re: AF #591 Crossing Gate
Group: S-Trains Message: 45271 From: ham_45242 Date: 10/10/2007
Subject: Re: AF #591 Crossing Gate
Group: S-Trains Message: 45272 From: lember2004 Date: 10/10/2007
Subject: Thanks for replies to question about multiple horns/whistles
Group: S-Trains Message: 45273 From: Mike Rosz Date: 10/10/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] Re: Blatant SHS commercialism
Group: S-Trains Message: 45274 From: detmer@charter.net Date: 10/11/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] Re: Blatant SHS commercialism
Group: S-Trains Message: 45275 From: Tom Kaufman Date: 10/12/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3813
Group: S-Trains Message: 45276 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 10/12/2007
Subject: Buying at a local dealer
Group: S-Trains Message: 45277 From: yorktown26 Date: 10/12/2007
Subject: Re: My new Lionel American Flyer Milwaukee Road Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 45278 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/12/2007
Subject: Billboard
Group: S-Trains Message: 45279 From: bw_hansen Date: 10/12/2007
Subject: HAR#5 set question
Group: S-Trains Message: 45280 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 10/13/2007
Subject: Reliance Train Show at York Pa
Group: S-Trains Message: 45281 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 10/13/2007
Subject: Re: HAR#5 set question
Group: S-Trains Message: 45282 From: William C, Johnson Date: 10/13/2007
Subject: Re: Duke energy
Group: S-Trains Message: 45283 From: bphent Date: 10/13/2007
Subject: Backdrop results
Group: S-Trains Message: 45284 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 10/13/2007
Subject: Re: Reliance Train Show at York Pa
Group: S-Trains Message: 45285 From: Scale S Only Date: 10/13/2007
Subject: Re: Backdrop results
Group: S-Trains Message: 45287 From: louis glumac Date: 10/13/2007
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains Message: 45288 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/13/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/14/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 45289 From: george leidinger Date: 10/13/2007
Subject: Re: My new Lionel American Flyer Milwaukee Road Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 45290 From: ER Date: 10/13/2007
Subject: FW: {S-Scale List} "S" Stuff for Sale, cheap
Group: S-Trains Message: 45291 From: beebear Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Re: FW: {S-Scale List} "S" Stuff for Sale, cheap
Group: S-Trains Message: 45292 From: ER Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Re: FW: {S-Scale List} "S" Stuff for Sale, cheap
Group: S-Trains Message: 45293 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/14/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 45294 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Fw: I have Returned!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45295 From: Ed Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Re: FW: {S-Scale List} "S" Stuff for Sale, cheap
Group: S-Trains Message: 45296 From: Phil K Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Re: FW: {S-Scale List} "S" Stuff for Sale, cheap
Group: S-Trains Message: 45297 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Re: FW: {S-Scale List} "S" Stuff for Sale, cheap
Group: S-Trains Message: 45298 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Williamsport, MD
Group: S-Trains Message: 45299 From: beebear Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Train shows
Group: S-Trains Message: 45300 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Re: was "S" Stuff for Sale, cheap - Now MODERATOR CHANGE THE DEFAUL
Group: S-Trains Message: 45301 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
Group: S-Trains Message: 45302 From: Trains Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
Group: S-Trains Message: 45303 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
Group: S-Trains Message: 45304 From: Phil K Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
Group: S-Trains Message: 45305 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Re: was "S" Stuff for Sale, cheap - Now MODERATOR CHANGE THE DEFA..
Group: S-Trains Message: 45306 From: Tom Hawley Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
Group: S-Trains Message: 45307 From: Phil K Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Replying when you don't know the person's email address
Group: S-Trains Message: 45308 From: Tom Hawley Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Re: AF switch controllers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45309 From: Howard Sheffield Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
Group: S-Trains Message: 45310 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Re: FW: {S-Scale List} "S" Stuff for Sale, cheap
Group: S-Trains Message: 45311 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Brick
Group: S-Trains Message: 45312 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: RE;Train shows
Group: S-Trains Message: 45313 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Fw: Bollman Truss Bridges
Group: S-Trains Message: 45314 From: Donald Thompson Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
Group: S-Trains Message: 45315 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
Group: S-Trains Message: 45316 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: TCA YORK
Group: S-Trains Message: 45317 From: Rhett George Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Duke Energy Christmas layout.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45318 From: Phil K Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
Group: S-Trains Message: 45319 From: Larry Moore Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Pull-Mor tires
Group: S-Trains Message: 45320 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Re: Pull-Mor tires
Group: S-Trains Message: 45321 From: Al Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Lionel Trainmaster Command Base for Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 45322 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
Group: S-Trains Message: 45323 From: Scale S Only Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
Group: S-Trains Message: 45324 From: Scale S Only Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: Bollman Truss Bridges
Group: S-Trains Message: 45325 From: Robert Graves Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: #9713 NYC boxcars
Group: S-Trains Message: 45326 From: Robert Graves Date: 10/16/2007
Subject: #9713 NYC boxcars
Group: S-Trains Message: 45327 From: warren_chadbourne Date: 10/16/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
Group: S-Trains Message: 45328 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 10/16/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
Group: S-Trains Message: 45329 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 10/16/2007
Subject: SF 342 modified, syncronized electronic smoke, LokSound DCC, video
Group: S-Trains Message: 45330 From: Edward G. Date: 10/16/2007
Subject: Williams has been sold ...
Group: S-Trains Message: 45331 From: clayton deich Date: 10/16/2007
Subject: Re: SF 342 modified, syncronized electronic smoke, LokSound DCC, vid
Group: S-Trains Message: 45332 From: Mike Rosz Date: 10/17/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] AF switch controllers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45333 From: Trains Date: 10/17/2007
Subject: Re: SF 342 modified, syncronized electronic smoke, LokSound DCC, vid
Group: S-Trains Message: 45334 From: Mike Rosz Date: 10/17/2007
Subject: Re: AF switch controllers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45335 From: Mike Rosz Date: 10/17/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] Re: [Strains] Re: Blatant SHES commercialism
Group: S-Trains Message: 45336 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 10/17/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] Re: [Strains] Re: Blatant SHES commercialism
Group: S-Trains Message: 45337 From: uvl97222 Date: 10/17/2007
Subject: Re: AF switch controllers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45338 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 10/17/2007
Subject: Re: SF 342 modified, syncronized electronic smoke, LokSound DCC, vid
Group: S-Trains Message: 45339 From: Scale S Only Date: 10/17/2007
Subject: Re: SF 342 modified, syncronized electronic smoke, LokSound DCC, vid
Group: S-Trains Message: 45340 From: Al Baker Date: 10/17/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
Group: S-Trains Message: 45341 From: George Cohn Date: 10/17/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
Group: S-Trains Message: 45342 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 10/17/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
Group: S-Trains Message: 45343 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/17/2007
Subject: Re: AF switch controllers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45344 From: James Hannawald Date: 10/17/2007
Subject: Repairing a spotlight car
Group: S-Trains Message: 45345 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: TTOS hopper
Group: S-Trains Message: 45346 From: Wayne B. Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3819
Group: S-Trains Message: 45347 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Is something wrong with us?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45348 From: frank emiro Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Re: Reliance Train Show at York Pa
Group: S-Trains Message: 45349 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Repairing a spotlight car
Group: S-Trains Message: 45350 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Re: Is something wrong with us?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45351 From: David Dewey Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: The new AF complete train set
Group: S-Trains Message: 45352 From: roy inman Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Re: Is something wrong with us?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45353 From: barb Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Detailing layouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 45354 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Re: Is something wrong with us?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45355 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3819
Group: S-Trains Message: 45356 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Re: Is something wrong with us?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45357 From: James Hannawald Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Re: Repairing a spotlight car
Group: S-Trains Message: 45358 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Spell Check
Group: S-Trains Message: 45359 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: York Report
Group: S-Trains Message: 45360 From: Trains Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Re: 0-8-0 smoke etc.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45361 From: Scale S Only Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Re: Detailing layouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 45362 From: roy inman Date: 10/19/2007
Subject: Ed L
Group: S-Trains Message: 45363 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/19/2007
Subject: upsetting email
Group: S-Trains Message: 45366 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 10/19/2007
Subject: Re: Is something wrong with us?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45367 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 10/19/2007
Subject: Re: 0-8-0 smoke etc.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45368 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 10/19/2007
Subject: Re: Is something wrong with us?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45369 From: barb Date: 10/19/2007
Subject: In Memory of Fred Gill
Group: S-Trains Message: 45370 From: Rick Evans Date: 10/19/2007
Subject: Re: In Memory of Fred Gill
Group: S-Trains Message: 45371 From: Trains Date: 10/19/2007
Subject: Re: 0-8-0 smoke etc.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45372 From: lember2004 Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Your experience with the accuraccy of Stouut Auctions descriptions?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45373 From: lember2004 Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Prices in Doyle's American Flyer Trains guide vs. Greenberg
Group: S-Trains Message: 45374 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: 0-8-0 smoke etc.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45375 From: Edward G. Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: Prices in Doyle's American Flyer Trains guide vs. Greenberg
Group: S-Trains Message: 45376 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: Your experience with the accuraccy of Stouut Auctions descript..
Group: S-Trains Message: 45377 From: Phil K Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: Prices in Doyle's American Flyer Trains guide vs. Greenberg
Group: S-Trains Message: 45378 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/21/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 45379 From: paflyrman Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: Prices in Doyle's American Flyer Trains guide vs. Greenberg
Group: S-Trains Message: 45380 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: Prices in Doyle's American Flyer Trains guide vs. Greenberg
Group: S-Trains Message: 45381 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: THE DOYLE BOOK
Group: S-Trains Message: 45382 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: hobby shops
Group: S-Trains Message: 45383 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: Is something wrong with us?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45384 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Show report
Group: S-Trains Message: 45385 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: Prices in Doyle's American Flyer Trains guide vs. Greenberg
Group: S-Trains Message: 45386 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: Prices in Doyle's American Flyer Trains guide vs. Greenberg
Group: S-Trains Message: 45387 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: Prices in Doyle's American Flyer Trains guide vs. Greenberg
Group: S-Trains Message: 45388 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: Prices in Doyle's American Flyer Trains guide vs. Greenberg
Group: S-Trains Message: 45389 From: Robert Boring Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: hobby shops
Group: S-Trains Message: 45390 From: ken_5556 Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: hobby shops
Group: S-Trains Message: 45391 From: ken_5556 Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: hobby shops
Group: S-Trains Message: 45392 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 10/21/2007
Subject: Something wrong with us #2
Group: S-Trains Message: 45393 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/21/2007
Subject: Re: Something wrong with us #2
Group: S-Trains Message: 45394 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 10/21/2007
Subject: Another video, American Models E8, DCC conversion, LokSound, B.R. sp
Group: S-Trains Message: 45395 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 10/21/2007
Subject: Re: Something wrong with us #2
Group: S-Trains Message: 45396 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/21/2007
Subject: Re: Another video, American Models E8, DCC conversion, LokSound, B.R
Group: S-Trains Message: 45397 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/21/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/21/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 45398 From: Ted Walton Date: 10/21/2007
Subject: Is something wrong with us? Lionel Catalog
Group: S-Trains Message: 45399 From: Phil K Date: 10/21/2007
Subject: Another perspective on paying for a catalog
Group: S-Trains Message: 45400 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/21/2007
Subject: Re: Another perspective on paying for a catalog
Group: S-Trains Message: 45401 From: rdgroup427 Date: 10/21/2007
Subject: Re: Your experience with the accuraccy of Stouut Auctions descriptio
Group: S-Trains Message: 45402 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 10/21/2007
Subject: Re: Something wrong with us #2
Group: S-Trains Message: 45403 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: World's Greatest Train Show Photo Gallery
Group: S-Trains Message: 45404 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: Reliance Train Show at York Pa
Group: S-Trains Message: 45405 From: clayton deich Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: Something wrong with us #2
Group: S-Trains Message: 45406 From: frank emiro Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: Reliance Train Show at York Pa
Group: S-Trains Message: 45407 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 45408 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: Another video, American Models E8, DCC conversion, LokSound, B.R
Group: S-Trains Message: 45409 From: Mike Rosz Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: David Doles catalog of American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 45410 From: Mike Rosz Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: My own two cents
Group: S-Trains Message: 45411 From: Mike Rosz Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] Re: AF switch controllers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45412 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: Another video, American Models E8, DCC conversion, LokSound, B.R
Group: S-Trains Message: 45413 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: David Doles catalog of American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 45414 From: Phil K Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: Is something wrong with us?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45415 From: muniman18 Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: collecting as opposed to running em
Group: S-Trains Message: 45417 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Prices
Group: S-Trains Message: 45418 From: Phil K Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Collecting vs. running (Baseball fan alert!)
Group: S-Trains Message: 45419 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: Prices
Group: S-Trains Message: 45420 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: rat tail file
Group: S-Trains Message: 45421 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: rat tail file
Group: S-Trains Message: 45422 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: rat tail file
Group: S-Trains Message: 45423 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: Prices
Group: S-Trains Message: 45424 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: rat tail file
Group: S-Trains Message: 45425 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: rat tail file
Group: S-Trains Message: 45426 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Things seen at York.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45427 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Amended Friday.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45428 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: rat tail file
Group: S-Trains Message: 45429 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: The "other side of the coin"
Group: S-Trains Message: 45430 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: Prices
Group: S-Trains Message: 45431 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: rat tail file
Group: S-Trains Message: 45432 From: paflyrman Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: The Cost of Flyonel Today versus ACG Yesterday
Group: S-Trains Message: 45433 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: rat tail file
Group: S-Trains Message: 45434 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: rat tail file
Group: S-Trains Message: 45435 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: rat tail file
Group: S-Trains Message: 45436 From: Stan Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: Repairing a spotlight car
Group: S-Trains Message: 45437 From: George Cohn Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: rat tail file
Group: S-Trains Message: 45438 From: roy inman Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: The Cost of Flyonel Today versus ACG Yesterday
Group: S-Trains Message: 45439 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: The Cost of Flyonel Today versus ACG Yesterday
Group: S-Trains Message: 45440 From: Scale S Only Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: The Cost of Flyonel Today versus ACG Yesterday
Group: S-Trains Message: 45441 From: Rick Evans Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: My 2007 Fall Layout/Village
Group: S-Trains Message: 45442 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: rat tail file
Group: S-Trains Message: 45443 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: York Saturday
Group: S-Trains Message: 45444 From: Larry Moore Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Guilford Station
Group: S-Trains Message: 45445 From: Larry Moore Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Before and After Branford Diner
Group: S-Trains Message: 45446 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Something's wrong!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45447 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Group: S-Trains Message: 45448 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Group: S-Trains Message: 45449 From: tedcanflyer Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: NJ International vs. Z Stuff crossing gates
Group: S-Trains Message: 45450 From: lember2004 Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: The Cost of Flyonel Today
Group: S-Trains Message: 45451 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: s-scale.org ? ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45452 From: roy inman Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: s-scale.org ? ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45453 From: roy inman Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: NJ International vs. Z Stuff crossing gates
Group: S-Trains Message: 45454 From: Larry Moore Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Group: S-Trains Message: 45455 From: Trains Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: rat tail file
Group: S-Trains Message: 45456 From: don@showcaseline.com Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: Plasticville Produce Stand converted to passenger station
Group: S-Trains Message: 45457 From: G C Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: Plasticville Produce Stand converted to passenger station
Group: S-Trains Message: 45458 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Files
Group: S-Trains Message: 45459 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: AF value comparisons
Group: S-Trains Message: 45460 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Group: S-Trains Message: 45461 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: Plasticville Produce Stand converted to passenger station
Group: S-Trains Message: 45462 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Group: S-Trains Message: 45463 From: Scale S Only Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: NJ International vs. Z Stuff crossing gates
Group: S-Trains Message: 45464 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: The Cost of Flyonel Today
Group: S-Trains Message: 45465 From: roy inman Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: Plasticville Produce Stand converted to passenger station
Group: S-Trains Message: 45466 From: paflyrman Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Flyonel Heavyweight Lighting On/Off Switch
Group: S-Trains Message: 45467 From: don@showcaseline.com Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: NJ International vs. Z Stuff crossing gates
Group: S-Trains Message: 45468 From: jnr59@aol.com Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: ONLY 8 DAYS LEFT TIL THE FALL S FEST IN ST LOUIS, BIGGEST SHOW EVER-
Group: S-Trains Message: 45469 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Group: S-Trains Message: 45470 From: Scale S Only Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: NJ International vs. Z Stuff crossing gates
Group: S-Trains Message: 45471 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: NJ International vs. Z Stuff crossing gates
Group: S-Trains Message: 45472 From: Tom Detmer Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: Plasticville Produce Stand converted to passenger station
Group: S-Trains Message: 45473 From: Marty.Thorin Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: OT - Vancouver, BC
Group: S-Trains Message: 45474 From: roy inman Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: Plasticville Produce Stand converted to passenger station
Group: S-Trains Message: 45475 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Are graphics compatible, AF Northern Pacific cars vs. AM FP7s ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45476 From: Rick Evans Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Plasticville Produce Stand converted to passenger station
Group: S-Trains Message: 45477 From: clayton deich Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Group: S-Trains Message: 45478 From: Phil K Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Group: S-Trains Message: 45479 From: Tom Hawley Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: {S-Scale List} ONLY 8 DAYS LEFT TIL THE FALL S FEST IN ST LOUIS
Group: S-Trains Message: 45480 From: don@showcaseline.com Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: NJ International at S Fest
Group: S-Trains Message: 45481 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Trip to Minneapolis
Group: S-Trains Message: 45482 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Please vote!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45483 From: clayton deich Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Group: S-Trains Message: 45484 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: NJ International at S Fest
Group: S-Trains Message: 45485 From: G C Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: Plasticville Produce Stand converted to passenger station
Group: S-Trains Message: 45486 From: Ingram-Jim-sListservers Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: NJ International vs. Z Stuff crossing gates
Group: S-Trains Message: 45487 From: G C Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: Plasticville Produce Stand converted to passenger station
Group: S-Trains Message: 45488 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Link coupler lock
Group: S-Trains Message: 45489 From: Phil K Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: ANormal1's modified Franklin 88 (photos)
Group: S-Trains Message: 45490 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: L-AF heavyweight on/off switch?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45491 From: frank emiro Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: NH Bedford Boomer Show
Group: S-Trains Message: 45492 From: frank emiro Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: L-AF heavyweight on/off switch?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45493 From: frank emiro Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: NH Bedford Boomer Show
Group: S-Trains Message: 45495 From: Phil K Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: ALERT: Beaver's American Flyer episode, "My Brother's Girl"
Group: S-Trains Message: 45497 From: don@showcaseline.com Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: S Fest report
Group: S-Trains Message: 45498 From: Rick Evans Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: ALERT: Beaver's American Flyer episode, "My Brother's Girl"
Group: S-Trains Message: 45499 From: Larry Moore Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Group: S-Trains Message: 45500 From: Ed Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: Please vote!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45501 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: NJI vs. Z Stuff crossing gates - What track system is this ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45502 From: roy inman Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: NJI vs. Z Stuff crossing gates - What track system is this ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45503 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: Please vote!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45504 From: Phil K Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Polls
Group: S-Trains Message: 45505 From: clayton deich Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Group: S-Trains Message: 45506 From: George Cohn Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: Polls
Group: S-Trains Message: 45507 From: Ingram-Jim-sListservers Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Z Stuff Video Used Pikemaster Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 45508 From: Tom Detmer Date: 10/26/2007
Subject: Re: Plasticville Produce Stand converted to passenger station
Group: S-Trains Message: 45509 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 10/26/2007
Subject: Reading Photo Q
Group: S-Trains Message: 45510 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 10/26/2007
Subject: ALERT: Beaver's American Flyer episode, "My Brother's Girl"
Group: S-Trains Message: 45511 From: g94a95 Date: 10/26/2007
Subject: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains Message: 45512 From: Phil K Date: 10/26/2007
Subject: Beaver's American Flyer episode
Group: S-Trains Message: 45513 From: G C Date: 10/26/2007
Subject: Re: Plasticville Produce Stand converted to passenger station
Group: S-Trains Message: 45514 From: Mike Rosz Date: 10/26/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] Re: Plasticine Produce Stand converted to passenger s
Group: S-Trains Message: 45515 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 10/26/2007
Subject: Re: ALERT: Beaver's American Flyer episode, "My Brother's Girl"
Group: S-Trains Message: 45516 From: detmer@charter.net Date: 10/27/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] Re: Plasticine Produce Stand converted to passenger s
Group: S-Trains Message: 45517 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/27/2007
Subject: Modernized String of #66X Aluminum Pax Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 45518 From: Phil K Date: 10/27/2007
Subject: Re: Modernized String of #66X Aluminum Pax Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 45519 From: don@showcaseline.com Date: 10/27/2007
Subject: Re: Modernized String of #66X Aluminum Pax Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 45520 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/27/2007
Subject: Re: L-AF heavyweight on/off switch?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45521 From: Tom Kaufman Date: 10/27/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3831
Group: S-Trains Message: 45522 From: Mike Rosz Date: 10/27/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] ALERT: Beaver's American Flyer episode, "My Brother's
Group: S-Trains Message: 45523 From: G C Date: 10/27/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] Re: Plasticine Produce Stand converted to passenger s
Group: S-Trains Message: 45524 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/27/2007
Subject: Re: Modernized String of #66X Aluminum Pax Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 45525 From: clayton deich Date: 10/27/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] ALERT: Beaver's American Flyer episode, "My Brother's
Group: S-Trains Message: 45526 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/27/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/28/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 45527 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 10/28/2007
Subject: Re: ALERT: Beaver's American Flyer episode, "My Brother's Girl"
Group: S-Trains Message: 45528 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/28/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/28/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 45529 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/28/2007
Subject: Re: Please vote!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45530 From: smuel10363@aol.com Date: 10/28/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3832
Group: S-Trains Message: 45531 From: James Hannawald Date: 10/29/2007
Subject: SHS track and accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 45532 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/29/2007
Subject: Re: SHS track and accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 45533 From: Gill W. Lott Date: 10/29/2007
Subject: Re: Plasticville converted to passenger station
Group: S-Trains Message: 45534 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 10/29/2007
Subject: Re: SHS track and accessories-Third Rail Accessory Track w/Button
Group: S-Trains Message: 45535 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/29/2007
Subject: Re: Please vote!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45536 From: Tom Hawley Date: 10/29/2007
Subject: Re: Please vote!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45537 From: Russ Dondero Date: 10/29/2007
Subject: Snow shed for Layout 0709.JPG copy
Group: S-Trains Message: 45538 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/29/2007
Subject: Re: SHS track and accessories on PVMR Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 45539 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 10/29/2007
Subject: Re: SHS track and accessories-Third Rail Accessory Track w/Button
Group: S-Trains Message: 45540 From: afironhorse Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: Snow shed for Layout 0709.JPG copy
Group: S-Trains Message: 45541 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Union Station Sign
Group: S-Trains Message: 45542 From: gflyerfan Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Wanted, Road Bed.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45543 From: Alan Lambert Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: SHS track and accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 45544 From: Chuck Bukauskas Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted, Road Bed.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45545 From: faltrain5 Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Water Towers and electric uncouplers???????
Group: S-Trains Message: 45546 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: SHS track and accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 45547 From: Robert A Persing Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted, Road Bed.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45548 From: Paul Limone Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted, Road Bed.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45549 From: Rick Evans Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted, Road Bed.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45550 From: Marty.Thorin Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: SHS track and accessories-Third Rail Accessory Track w/Button
Group: S-Trains Message: 45551 From: lglumac@comcast.net Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted, Road Bed.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45552 From: Russ Dondero Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: Snow shed for Layout 0709.JPG copy
Group: S-Trains Message: 45553 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted, Road Bed.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45554 From: clayton deich Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted, Road Bed.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45555 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: Snow shed for Layout 0709.JPG copy
Group: S-Trains Message: 45556 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: Water Towers and electric uncouplers???????
Group: S-Trains Message: 45557 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: Water Towers and electric uncouplers???????
Group: S-Trains Message: 45558 From: Grant Date: 10/31/2007
Subject: Re: SHS track and accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 45559 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 10/31/2007
Subject: Blue Ridge Scenic Railway Excursion Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 45560 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 10/31/2007
Subject: Flyonel Gabe
Group: S-Trains Message: 45561 From: David Dewey Date: 10/31/2007
Subject: Water Towers & Electric Uncouplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45562 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 10/31/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Gabe
Group: S-Trains Message: 45563 From: James Hannawald Date: 10/31/2007
Subject: SHS Track and AF Accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 45564 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/31/2007
Subject: Re: SHS Track and AF Accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 45565 From: roncsx Date: 11/1/2007
Subject: LANSING SHOW REMINDER
Group: S-Trains Message: 45566 From: chasesmithus Date: 11/1/2007
Subject: AM diesels that pull following car off the track on AF radius
Group: S-Trains Message: 45567 From: Mike Rosz Date: 11/1/2007
Subject: Re: Water Towers and electric uncouplers???????
Group: S-Trains Message: 45568 From: David Haslauer Date: 11/1/2007
Subject: Re: Snow shed for Layout 0709.JPG copy
Group: S-Trains Message: 45569 From: Russ Dondero Date: 11/2/2007
Subject: Re: Snow shed for Layout 0709.JPG copy
Group: S-Trains Message: 45570 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 11/2/2007
Subject: Coupler conversion cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 45571 From: muniman18 Date: 11/2/2007
Subject: COUPLERS
Group: S-Trains Message: 45572 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 11/2/2007
Subject: Re: AM diesels that pull following car off the track on AF radius
Group: S-Trains Message: 45573 From: frank emiro Date: 11/2/2007
Subject: AF Guy runs for Congress
Group: S-Trains Message: 45574 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 11/2/2007
Subject: Re: AM diesels that pull following car off the track on AF radius
Group: S-Trains Message: 45575 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/2/2007
Subject: Gas Prices
Group: S-Trains Message: 45576 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/2/2007
Subject: Gettysburg, Lancaster
Group: S-Trains Message: 45577 From: frank emiro Date: 11/2/2007
Subject: Re: Gettysburg, Lancaster
Group: S-Trains Message: 45578 From: Geoffrey Faltot Date: 11/3/2007
Subject: Re: Water Towers and electric uncouplers???????
Group: S-Trains Message: 45579 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/3/2007
Subject: Re: Gettysburg, Lancaster
Group: S-Trains Message: 45580 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/3/2007
Subject: Re: Gettysburg, Lancaster
Group: S-Trains Message: 45581 From: ecphora123 Date: 11/3/2007
Subject: News Flash Another V Roseman Kitbash
Group: S-Trains Message: 45582 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/3/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/4/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 45583 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/3/2007
Subject: Wood
Group: S-Trains Message: 45584 From: Scott Dollinger Date: 11/3/2007
Subject: Re: Gas Prices
Group: S-Trains Message: 45585 From: frank emiro Date: 11/4/2007
Subject: Re: Gettysburg, Lancaster
Group: S-Trains Message: 45586 From: Trains Date: 11/4/2007
Subject: Re: Wood
Group: S-Trains Message: 45587 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/4/2007
Subject: Re: Wood
Group: S-Trains Message: 45588 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/4/2007
Subject: Re: Wood
Group: S-Trains Message: 45589 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/4/2007
Subject: Re: Gettysburg, Lancaster
Group: S-Trains Message: 45590 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 11/4/2007
Subject: Thanks to the AFSGSLA for a Great Fall S Fest Show
Group: S-Trains Message: 45591 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 11/4/2007
Subject: Old time passenger cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 45592 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/4/2007
Subject: Re: Wood
Group: S-Trains Message: 45593 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/4/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/4/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 45594 From: frank emiro Date: 11/4/2007
Subject: Re: Gettysburg, Lancaster
Group: S-Trains Message: 45595 From: clifma19@cox.net Date: 11/4/2007
Subject: Re: Thanks to the AFSGSLA for a Great Fall S Fest Show
Group: S-Trains Message: 45596 From: tedcanflyer Date: 11/4/2007
Subject: MTH / S gauge people
Group: S-Trains Message: 45597 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: MTH/ S gauge people
Group: S-Trains Message: 45598 From: clifma19@cox.net Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: Re: MTH / S gauge people
Group: S-Trains Message: 45599 From: beebear Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: Re: Wood
Group: S-Trains Message: 45600 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: Re: MTH / S gauge people
Group: S-Trains Message: 45601 From: Chuck Bukauskas Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: am looking for help....
Group: S-Trains Message: 45602 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: Need AF track
Group: S-Trains Message: 45603 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: Re: MTH/ S gauge people
Group: S-Trains Message: 45604 From: rapidrail1 Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: Re: MTH / S gauge people
Group: S-Trains Message: 45605 From: barb Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: am looking for help
Group: S-Trains Message: 45606 From: Howard Sheffield Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: Re: MTH / S gauge people
Group: S-Trains Message: 45607 From: Alan Evans Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: Re: Coupler conversion options
Group: S-Trains Message: 45608 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: Wood-Done
Group: S-Trains Message: 45609 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: Ebay Humorous description
Group: S-Trains Message: 45610 From: Tim Brown Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: Tracks Ahead
Group: S-Trains Message: 45611 From: roy inman Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: Re: Tracks Ahead
Group: S-Trains Message: 45612 From: Tim Brown Date: 11/6/2007
Subject: Tracks Ahead
Group: S-Trains Message: 45613 From: Paul Yorke Date: 11/6/2007
Subject: Chat Room Options
Group: S-Trains Message: 45614 From: Tim Brown Date: 11/6/2007
Subject: Re: Tracks Ahead
Group: S-Trains Message: 45615 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 11/6/2007
Subject: Re: Tracks Ahead
Group: S-Trains Message: 45616 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 11/6/2007
Subject: Beaver's American Flyer episode, "My Brother's Girl"
Group: S-Trains Message: 45617 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/6/2007
Subject: Re: Chat Room Options
Group: S-Trains Message: 45618 From: dphobbies Date: 11/6/2007
Subject: Commercial - New Tank Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 45619 From: ken_5556 Date: 11/6/2007
Subject: Re: Tracks Ahead
Group: S-Trains Message: 45620 From: John Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: Model Train Help ebook
Group: S-Trains Message: 45621 From: dphobbies@earthlink.net Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: Re: Terrrible
Group: S-Trains Message: 45622 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Terrrible
Group: S-Trains Message: 45623 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: Re: Chat Room Options
Group: S-Trains Message: 45624 From: roy inman Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: Re: Model Train Help ebook
Group: S-Trains Message: 45625 From: Phil K Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: Re: Terrrible
Group: S-Trains Message: 45626 From: Tim Brown Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: Re: Terrrible
Group: S-Trains Message: 45627 From: Pat Turner Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: 2008 1:64 Scale Calendar
Group: S-Trains Message: 45628 From: Mike Rosz Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: Re: Terrrible
Group: S-Trains Message: 45629 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: Terrrible
Group: S-Trains Message: 45630 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: Re: Terrrible
Group: S-Trains Message: 45631 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: Re: Terrrible PS:
Group: S-Trains Message: 45632 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: Terrrible
Group: S-Trains Message: 45633 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant Commericalism
Group: S-Trains Message: 45634 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Re: Terrrible
Group: S-Trains Message: 45635 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Re: Terrrible
Group: S-Trains Message: 45636 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Re: Need AF track
Group: S-Trains Message: 45637 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Terrible
Group: S-Trains Message: 45638 From: roy inman Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Re: USKC engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 45639 From: Art Shifrin Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Jay Walsh
Group: S-Trains Message: 45640 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: S-Fest
Group: S-Trains Message: 45641 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: More info than commercial
Group: S-Trains Message: 45642 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Re: Terrible - LETS STOP THIS THREAD
Group: S-Trains Message: 45643 From: Richard Purnell Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Wanted PA Merchandise
Group: S-Trains Message: 45644 From: Phil K Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Terrible - LETS STOP THIS THREAD
Group: S-Trains Message: 45645 From: Trains Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted PA Merchandise
Group: S-Trains Message: 45646 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [S-Trains] Re:Terrible - LETS STOP THIS THREAD
Group: S-Trains Message: 45647 From: A. E. Johnson Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Overseas Credit Card Processors
Group: S-Trains Message: 45648 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Re: More info than commercial
Group: S-Trains Message: 45649 From: Scott Dollinger Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Re: Terrible - LETS STOP THIS THREAD Ps Thanx .....
Group: S-Trains Message: 45650 From: Scott Dollinger Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Re: Overseas Credit Card Processors
Group: S-Trains Message: 45651 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Re: More info than commercial
Group: S-Trains Message: 45652 From: omahakid2003 Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Wiring a 314AW Whistle Control Box
Group: S-Trains Message: 45653 From: James Harrison Date: 11/9/2007
Subject: 315 Pennsylvania
Group: S-Trains Message: 45654 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 11/9/2007
Subject: Re: Wiring a 314AW Whistle Control Box
Group: S-Trains Message: 45655 From: Larry Moore Date: 11/9/2007
Subject: Re: 315 Pennsylvania
Group: S-Trains Message: 45656 From: James Harrison Date: 11/9/2007
Subject: Re: 315 Pennsylvania
Group: S-Trains Message: 45657 From: Larry Moore Date: 11/9/2007
Subject: Re: 315 Pennsylvania
Group: S-Trains Message: 45658 From: hobo47203 Date: 11/9/2007
Subject: The 4th Annual Indianapolis S Show is next Saturday!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45659 From: Bill Frazier Date: 11/9/2007
Subject: Wiring a 314AW Whistle Control Box
Group: S-Trains Message: 45660 From: clayton deich Date: 11/10/2007
Subject: Re: Wiring a 314AW Whistle Control Box
Group: S-Trains Message: 45661 From: Timboy Date: 11/10/2007
Subject: Re: Wood-Done
Group: S-Trains Message: 45662 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/10/2007
Subject: Link/knuckle couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45663 From: Russ Dondero Date: 11/10/2007
Subject: Re: Commercial - New Tank Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 45664 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/10/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM][S-Trains] Re: Wood-Done
Group: S-Trains Message: 45665 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/10/2007
Subject: Re: Commercial - New Tank Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 45666 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/10/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/11/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 45667 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/10/2007
Subject: Train Table Progress
Group: S-Trains Message: 45668 From: lne1957 Date: 11/10/2007
Subject: An open invite for coffee and stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 45669 From: Timboy Date: 11/11/2007
Subject: Re: Train Table Progress
Group: S-Trains Message: 45670 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/11/2007
Subject: Re: Train Table Progress
Group: S-Trains Message: 45671 From: Timboy Date: 11/11/2007
Subject: Tim Brown's Work-In-Progress
Group: S-Trains Message: 45672 From: Larry Moore Date: 11/11/2007
Subject: Re: An open invite for coffee and stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 45673 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/11/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/11/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 45674 From: Lee Johnson Date: 11/11/2007
Subject: Re: Commercial - New Tank Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 45675 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/11/2007
Subject: Re: Train Table Progress
Group: S-Trains Message: 45676 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/11/2007
Subject: Re: Train Table Progress
Group: S-Trains Message: 45677 From: velapoldi Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: Train Table Progress
Group: S-Trains Message: 45678 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: Train Table Progress
Group: S-Trains Message: 45679 From: Timboy Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: Train Table Progress
Group: S-Trains Message: 45680 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Best Friend of Charleston (SC) Show This Weekend
Group: S-Trains Message: 45681 From: velapoldi Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: Additional answer to earlier e-mail on Train Table Progress
Group: S-Trains Message: 45682 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Report on NRVMRR Show
Group: S-Trains Message: 45683 From: rcon7@bellsouth.net Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: WIRING
Group: S-Trains Message: 45684 From: Timboy Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: Additional answer to earlier e-mail on Train Table Progress
Group: S-Trains Message: 45685 From: Paul Yorke Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Sunday night chat
Group: S-Trains Message: 45686 From: Don Rodgers Sr. Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted S gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 45687 From: Jim Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: colber
Group: S-Trains Message: 45688 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Fw: AF 2 Sided Billboard Whistle
Group: S-Trains Message: 45689 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: New Photos Table
Group: S-Trains Message: 45690 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: FILMS
Group: S-Trains Message: 45691 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: error
Group: S-Trains Message: 45692 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: Additional answer to earlier e-mail on Train Table Progress
Group: S-Trains Message: 45693 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: Train Table Progress
Group: S-Trains Message: 45694 From: clayton deich Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted S gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 45695 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: Train Table Progress
Group: S-Trains Message: 45696 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: Train Table Progress
Group: S-Trains Message: 45697 From: Chuck Bukauskas Date: 11/13/2007
Subject: Re: An open invite for coffee and stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 45698 From: Don Rodgers Sr. Date: 11/13/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted S gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 45699 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 11/13/2007
Subject: Re: Train Table Progress
Group: S-Trains Message: 45700 From: Mike Rosz Date: 11/13/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] The the Annual Indianapolis S Show is next Saturday!
Group: S-Trains Message: 45701 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 11/13/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted S gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 45702 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 11/13/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted S gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 45703 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/13/2007
Subject: Re: Train Table Progress
Group: S-Trains Message: 45704 From: roncsx Date: 11/14/2007
Subject: LANSING SHOW THIS SUNDAY 11/18/07
Group: S-Trains Message: 45705 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/14/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted S gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 45706 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/14/2007
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: Wanted S gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 45707 From: Chuck Bukauskas Date: 11/14/2007
Subject: Re: am looking for help
Group: S-Trains Message: 45708 From: bud9351 Date: 11/14/2007
Subject: Cincinnati S layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 45709 From: Tom Hawley Date: 11/14/2007
Subject: Re: LANSING SHOW THIS SUNDAY 11/18/07
Group: S-Trains Message: 45710 From: Don Rodgers Sr. Date: 11/14/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted S gauge
Group: S-Trains Message: 45711 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/14/2007
Subject: Re: am looking for help
Group: S-Trains Message: 45712 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/14/2007
Subject: New photo
Group: S-Trains Message: 45713 From: nd5s@arrl.net Date: 11/14/2007
Subject: Re: LANSING SHOW THIS SUNDAY 11/18/07
Group: S-Trains Message: 45714 From: ken_5556 Date: 11/15/2007
Subject: Re: colber
Group: S-Trains Message: 45715 From: Laurin Date: 11/15/2007
Subject: Wanting to convert to DCC.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45716 From: Timboy Date: 11/15/2007
Subject: Re: Wanting to convert to DCC.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45717 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/15/2007
Subject: Re: Wanting to convert to DCC.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45718 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Re: Wanting to convert to DCC.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45719 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Clearance for track
Group: S-Trains Message: 45720 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Clearance take 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 45721 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Re: Wanting to convert to DCC.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45722 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Re: Clearance for track
Group: S-Trains Message: 45723 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: “S” Gauge – Gilbert V the rest of the World
Group: S-Trains Message: 45724 From: Timboy Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Re: Clearance take 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 45725 From: Timboy Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Re: Clearance take 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 45726 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: distance between tracks
Group: S-Trains Message: 45727 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Photo update layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 45728 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Re: Clearance for track
Group: S-Trains Message: 45729 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Re: Clearance take 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 45730 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Re: Clearance take 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 45731 From: Ron Krischke Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "S" Gauge - Gilbert V the rest of the World
Group: S-Trains Message: 45732 From: afironhorse Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Re: “S” Gauge – Gilbert V the rest of the World
Group: S-Trains Message: 45733 From: bandmancwc Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: DCC question
Group: S-Trains Message: 45734 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Re: Gilbert V the rest of the World
Group: S-Trains Message: 45735 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Re: "S" Gauge - Gilbert V the rest of the World
Group: S-Trains Message: 45736 From: Timboy Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: Re: Clearance take 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 45737 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: Track Plans and scenery
Group: S-Trains Message: 45738 From: Laurin Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: Re: Wanting to convert to DCC.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45739 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: Re: Clearance take 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 45740 From: John Degnan Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: ACSG Yahoo Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 45741 From: Greene, Michael Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: 2008 NASG National Convention
Group: S-Trains Message: 45742 From: Bill Drake Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: Re: "S" Gauge - Gilbert V the rest of the World
Group: S-Trains Message: 45743 From: David Dewey Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: Clearance Take 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 45744 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: Re: Wanting to convert to DCC.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45745 From: Scott Dollinger Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: Re: Clearance take 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 45746 From: Phil K Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: Re: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: 2008 NASG National Convention
Group: S-Trains Message: 45747 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/18/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 45748 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: Re: New photo
Group: S-Trains Message: 45749 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: Re: New photo
Group: S-Trains Message: 45750 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Clearance Take 3
Group: S-Trains Message: 45751 From: John Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: New "AF" Car Carriers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45752 From: Russ Dondero Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: Commercial - New Tank Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 45753 From: Russ Dondero Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: Commercial - New Tank Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 45754 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: When will I ever learn?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45755 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: New "AF" Car Carriers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45756 From: Mike Rosz Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] ACSG Yahoo Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 45757 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: When will I ever learn?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45758 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/18/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 45759 From: Timboy Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: New "AF" Car Carriers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45760 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: When will I ever learn?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45761 From: Cynthia Weber Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Train books and magazines for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 45762 From: Timboy Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: When will I ever learn?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45763 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: When will I ever learn?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45764 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: When will I ever learn?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45765 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: Clearance Take 3
Group: S-Trains Message: 45766 From: beebear Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: New "AF" Car Carriers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45767 From: roy inman Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: Train books and magazines for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 45768 From: Tom Hawley Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: New "AF" Car Carriers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45769 From: Tom Hawley Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: New "AF" Car Carriers
Group: S-Trains Message: 45770 From: tedcanflyer Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: colber
Group: S-Trains Message: 45771 From: Rob Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Smitty needs help
Group: S-Trains Message: 45772 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: When will I ever learn?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45773 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: When will I ever learn?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45774 From: velapoldi Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: colber
Group: S-Trains Message: 45775 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: #23040 for sale?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45776 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: When will I ever learn?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45777 From: clifma19@cox.net Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: Smitty needs help
Group: S-Trains Message: 45778 From: Greene, Michael Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: 2008 NASG National Convention
Group: S-Trains Message: 45779 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: On30
Group: S-Trains Message: 45780 From: The LANIERs Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: #23040 for sale?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45781 From: lember2004 Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: #23040 for sale?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45782 From: Larry Moore Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: #23040 for sale?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45783 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: On30 conversion to S
Group: S-Trains Message: 45784 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: When will I ever learn?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45785 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: On30
Group: S-Trains Message: 45786 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} GG-1 in Lightning Stripes....?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45787 From: barb Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Defender Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 45788 From: beebear Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: New photo album
Group: S-Trains Message: 45789 From: Phil K Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} GG-1 in Lightning Stripes....?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45790 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: Defender Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 45791 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} GG-1 in Lightning Stripes....?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45792 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} GG-1 in Lightning Stripes....?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45793 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Group: S-Trains Message: 45794 From: George Cohn Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: Defender Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 45795 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: For sale: rare 930 Tuscan Caboose with riveted lamp
Group: S-Trains Message: 45796 From: Timboy Date: 11/20/2007
Subject: Enhanced Baldwin Project
Group: S-Trains Message: 45797 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/20/2007
Subject: GG-1 in Lightning Stripes....?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45798 From: Larry Moore Date: 11/20/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Group: S-Trains Message: 45799 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/20/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Group: S-Trains Message: 45800 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/20/2007
Subject: Re: Defender Set
Group: S-Trains Message: 45801 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/20/2007
Subject: Swapping wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 45802 From: James Hannawald Date: 11/20/2007
Subject: SHS Track and AF Accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 45803 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/20/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Group: S-Trains Message: 45804 From: innotron Date: 11/20/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Group: S-Trains Message: 45805 From: Jon Marinello Date: 11/20/2007
Subject: Out-Of-Stock SHS Reefers and Steel Rebuilts for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 45806 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/20/2007
Subject: American Flyer No 20525 Defender Set is up again
Group: S-Trains Message: 45807 From: David Dewey Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Bradford Dinner Rebuild
Group: S-Trains Message: 45808 From: Les Mavor Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Photo Op
Group: S-Trains Message: 45809 From: roy inman Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: Bradford Dinner Rebuild
Group: S-Trains Message: 45810 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Tenders
Group: S-Trains Message: 45811 From: Scale S Only Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: Bradford Dinner Rebuild
Group: S-Trains Message: 45812 From: The LANIERs Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: Tenders
Group: S-Trains Message: 45813 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: Tenders
Group: S-Trains Message: 45814 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Converting to Kadee can get tricky, new photo album for one solution
Group: S-Trains Message: 45815 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: Tenders
Group: S-Trains Message: 45816 From: Larry Moore Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving
Group: S-Trains Message: 45817 From: Timboy Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: Converting to Kadee can get tricky, new photo album for one solu
Group: S-Trains Message: 45818 From: miken9guy Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: SHS CARS AND ENGINES
Group: S-Trains Message: 45819 From: Doug Peck Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Group: S-Trains Message: 45820 From: miken9guy Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: stores which carry SHS and or AM
Group: S-Trains Message: 45821 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: Tenders
Group: S-Trains Message: 45822 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: Tenders
Group: S-Trains Message: 45823 From: John Metzger Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: SHS CARS AND ENGINES
Group: S-Trains Message: 45824 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: Tenders
Group: S-Trains Message: 45825 From: John Degnan Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: SHS CARS AND ENGINES
Group: S-Trains Message: 45826 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: SHS CARS AND ENGINES
Group: S-Trains Message: 45827 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: Tenders
Group: S-Trains Message: 45828 From: M.McConnell Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: South Jersey Layout Display Schedule.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45829 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: stores which carry SHS and or AM
Group: S-Trains Message: 45830 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/22/2007
Subject: Re: stores which carry SHS and or AM
Group: S-Trains Message: 45831 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/22/2007
Subject: Re: OSH CALENDARS
Group: S-Trains Message: 45832 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/22/2007
Subject: Re: MEDFORD OR TRAIN SHOW
Group: S-Trains Message: 45833 From: Steve Lunde Date: 11/22/2007
Subject: Re: stores which carry SHS and or AM
Group: S-Trains Message: 45834 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/22/2007
Subject: Re: #23040 for sale?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45835 From: The LANIERs Date: 11/22/2007
Subject: Re: #23040 for sale?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45836 From: JeryJones3@aol.com Date: 11/22/2007
Subject: Re: Visit an S Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 45837 From: srgriggs Date: 11/22/2007
Subject: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 45838 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 11/22/2007
Subject: dinner--diner, potato, potatoe :)
Group: S-Trains Message: 45839 From: Al Paolozzi Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 45840 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: CTT's "Toy Train Memories"
Group: S-Trains Message: 45841 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: Re: Converting to Kadee can get tricky, new photo album for one solu
Group: S-Trains Message: 45842 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: Pilot truck wheels question
Group: S-Trains Message: 45843 From: miken9guy Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: Lionel display
Group: S-Trains Message: 45844 From: Karl Raab Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: Re Lionel Display
Group: S-Trains Message: 45845 From: Raul Catta Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: #23040 for sale?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45846 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: PVMR Train Display
Group: S-Trains Message: 45847 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re:Next Round of F-3's, F-7 Diesels - Southern Bl
Group: S-Trains Message: 45848 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: A few more built structures, ADVERT
Group: S-Trains Message: 45849 From: George Cohn Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: Re: #23040 for sale?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45850 From: alansherryb Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: Carolina Holiday Displays
Group: S-Trains Message: 45851 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: 23040
Group: S-Trains Message: 45852 From: Larry Moore Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: Re: Carolina Holiday Displays
Group: S-Trains Message: 45853 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 45854 From: ken_5556 Date: 11/24/2007
Subject: 1/900 Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 45855 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/24/2007
Subject: Re: 23040
Group: S-Trains Message: 45856 From: Grant Date: 11/24/2007
Subject: S-Trains] Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 45857 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/24/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/25/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 45858 From: Timboy Date: 11/25/2007
Subject: Nineteen and counting
Group: S-Trains Message: 45859 From: srgriggs Date: 11/25/2007
Subject: Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 45860 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 11/25/2007
Subject: 23040
Group: S-Trains Message: 45861 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 11/25/2007
Subject: Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 45862 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/25/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/25/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 45863 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/25/2007
Subject: Re: 23040
Group: S-Trains Message: 45864 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/25/2007
Subject: Gilbert article
Group: S-Trains Message: 45865 From: srgriggs Date: 11/25/2007
Subject: Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 45866 From: porschebob1953 Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: GREENBERG AMERICAN FLYER CATALOGUES 1946-1955
Group: S-Trains Message: 45867 From: Neimanis,V. [NCR] Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 45868 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Re: Nineteen and counting
Group: S-Trains Message: 45869 From: James Hannawald Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Re: GREENBERG AMERICAN FLYER CATALOGUES 1946-1955
Group: S-Trains Message: 45870 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Re: GREENBERG AMERICAN FLYER CATALOGUES 1946-1955
Group: S-Trains Message: 45871 From: Timboy Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Re: Nineteen and counting
Group: S-Trains Message: 45872 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Re: Nineteen and counting
Group: S-Trains Message: 45873 From: bw_hansen Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Straight rubber roadbed wanted
Group: S-Trains Message: 45874 From: The LANIERs Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Re: 23040
Group: S-Trains Message: 45875 From: wyoaf Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Hirth Hobbies Track Layouts for American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 45876 From: clifma19@cox.net Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Re: Nineteen and counting
Group: S-Trains Message: 45877 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Last Phone Booth in DC
Group: S-Trains Message: 45878 From: clayton deich Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Re: GREENBERG AMERICAN FLYER CATALOGUES 1946-1955
Group: S-Trains Message: 45879 From: Steve Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 45880 From: George Cohn Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Re: Nineteen and counting
Group: S-Trains Message: 45881 From: george leidinger Date: 11/27/2007
Subject: Sound machine
Group: S-Trains Message: 45882 From: Trains Date: 11/27/2007
Subject: Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 45883 From: Steve Wolcott Date: 11/27/2007
Subject: Reefers to swap
Group: S-Trains Message: 45884 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 11/27/2007
Subject: Re: Nineteen and counting
Group: S-Trains Message: 45885 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 11/27/2007
Subject: Re: Nineteen and counting - LEDs
Group: S-Trains Message: 45886 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 11/27/2007
Subject: Re: Nineteen and counting
Group: S-Trains Message: 45887 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 11/27/2007
Subject: American Flyer LED Bulb Assembly Source
Group: S-Trains Message: 45888 From: Alan Evans Date: 11/27/2007
Subject: Re: Sound machine
Group: S-Trains Message: 45889 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: Nineteen and counting - LEDs
Group: S-Trains Message: 45890 From: WEG138@aol.com Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: RR history Adirondacks
Group: S-Trains Message: 45891 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 45892 From: George Cohn Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: Sound machine
Group: S-Trains Message: 45893 From: Mike Rosz Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] 23040
Group: S-Trains Message: 45894 From: Mike Rosz Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] GREEN BERG AMERICAN FLYER CATALOGUES 1946-1955
Group: S-Trains Message: 45895 From: Don Rodgers Sr. Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: LLC Handcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 45896 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Sears & AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 45897 From: Gary Chidester Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: Sears & AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 45898 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: Sears & AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 45899 From: The LANIERs Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: Sears & AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 45900 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: LLC Handcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 45901 From: clayk@lonestartrains.com Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] GREEN BERG AMERICAN FLYER CATALOGUES 1946-1955
Group: S-Trains Message: 45902 From: Scale S Only Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: Sears & AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 45903 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: PVMR LAYOUT IN GAP. PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 45904 From: Roger Delthony Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: Smitty Needs Help
Group: S-Trains Message: 45905 From: Greg Klein Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: BAAFC Operating at the B&O Museum
Group: S-Trains Message: 45906 From: clifma19@cox.net Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] 23040
Group: S-Trains Message: 45907 From: Don Rodgers Sr. Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: LLC Handcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 45908 From: frank emiro Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: LLC Handcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 45909 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 11/29/2007
Subject: Wanted
Group: S-Trains Message: 45910 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/29/2007
Subject: Re: Sears & AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 45911 From: roy inman Date: 11/29/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] 23040, etc.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45912 From: Scale S Only Date: 11/29/2007
Subject: Re: Sears & AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 45913 From: barb Date: 11/29/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] 23040, etc.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45914 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 11/29/2007
Subject: Not Sears AF, but AF custom car
Group: S-Trains Message: 45915 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/29/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted
Group: S-Trains Message: 45916 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/29/2007
Subject: Re: Sears & AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 45917 From: Steve Date: 11/29/2007
Subject: Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 45918 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Donate a Train this Christmas
Group: S-Trains Message: 45919 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted
Group: S-Trains Message: 45920 From: Timboy Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 45921 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Lionel powered GEEP trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 45922 From: Edward G. Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Re: Donate a Train this Christmas
Group: S-Trains Message: 45923 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 45924 From: roy inman Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Re: Donate a Train this Christmas
Group: S-Trains Message: 45925 From: jt12313 Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Lionel 6 wheel Geep trucks for DD35 project
Group: S-Trains Message: 45926 From: George Cohn Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Re: Donate a Train this Christmas
Group: S-Trains Message: 45927 From: Tom Hawley Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Your health
Group: S-Trains Message: 45928 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: For sale: two more Flyonel freight cars added to list
Group: S-Trains Message: 45929 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Takin' my 282 loco apart tonight
Group: S-Trains Message: 45930 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Re: DONATE A TRAIN
Group: S-Trains Message: 45931 From: Scale S Only Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Re: Donate a Train this Christmas
Group: S-Trains Message: 45932 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] 23040, etc.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45933 From: Steve Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 45934 From: ken_5556 Date: 12/1/2007
Subject: Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 45935 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 12/1/2007
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 45936 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 12/1/2007
Subject: Re: Your health
Group: S-Trains Message: 45937 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 12/1/2007
Subject: Looking for SOUTHERN RAILWAY PULLMAN CARS by SHS/AM
Group: S-Trains Message: 45938 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/1/2007
Subject: 282 loco * update*
Group: S-Trains Message: 45939 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 12/1/2007
Subject: Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 45940 From: Richard Lind Date: 12/1/2007
Subject: Chopping SHS Turnouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 45941 From: barb Date: 12/1/2007
Subject: Re: 282 loco * update*
Group: S-Trains Message: 45942 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/1/2007
Subject: You turned the spring around ???
Group: S-Trains Message: 45943 From: Timboy Date: 12/1/2007
Subject: Re: You turned the spring around ???
Group: S-Trains Message: 45944 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/1/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/2/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 45945 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/1/2007
Subject: Gilbertsville Sunday Dec 2 Show
Group: S-Trains Message: 45946 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 12/1/2007
Subject: Re: You turned the spring around ???
Group: S-Trains Message: 45947 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: Re: You turned the spring around ???
Group: S-Trains Message: 45948 From: monte_heppe Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: Atlas snap relay
Group: S-Trains Message: 45949 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: Re;Chopping SHS Turnouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 45950 From: Timboy Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: Re: Atlas snap relay
Group: S-Trains Message: 45951 From: Timboy Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: Re: Re;Chopping SHS Turnouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 45952 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: Re: Atlas snap relay
Group: S-Trains Message: 45953 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: Re: 282 loco * update*
Group: S-Trains Message: 45954 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: Re: You turned the spring around ???
Group: S-Trains Message: 45955 From: Chuck Bukauskas Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: looking for help -followup
Group: S-Trains Message: 45956 From: David Dewey Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: 282 Loco Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 45957 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/2/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 45958 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: amatures/motors.......
Group: S-Trains Message: 45959 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: Re: Not Sears AF, but AF custom car
Group: S-Trains Message: 45960 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: Re: amatures/motors.......
Group: S-Trains Message: 45961 From: (no author) Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: Missing posts ...
Group: S-Trains Message: 45962 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: New S scale kits- tug & barge
Group: S-Trains Message: 45963 From: clayton deich Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Re: amatures/motors.......
Group: S-Trains Message: 45964 From: gettysburg9 Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: AF remote switch controller question?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45965 From: DPDB@AOL.com Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Re: amatures/motors.......
Group: S-Trains Message: 45966 From: Edward G. Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Re: Missing posts ...
Group: S-Trains Message: 45967 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Re: AF remote switch controller question?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45968 From: wyoaf Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: e-mail bounce back
Group: S-Trains Message: 45969 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Re: AF remote switch controller question?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45970 From: jnr59@aol.com Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Attention all S Scalers who need B&O Passenger Car (or other) Decals
Group: S-Trains Message: 45971 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Spring/brushes photo
Group: S-Trains Message: 45972 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Re: 282 loco * update*
Group: S-Trains Message: 45973 From: rcon7@bellsouth.net Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Re: e-mail bounce back
Group: S-Trains Message: 45974 From: wayne hallowell Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Re: e-mail bounce back
Group: S-Trains Message: 45975 From: James Hannawald Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Re: e-mail bounce back
Group: S-Trains Message: 45976 From: ken_5556 Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Re: e-mail bounce back
Group: S-Trains Message: 45977 From: Jim Hare Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Remote Control Unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 45978 From: clifma19@cox.net Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Re: Remote Control Unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 45979 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Re: Remote Control Unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 45980 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Re: 295 engine REMOTE CONTROL UNIT
Group: S-Trains Message: 45981 From: Tim Benner Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Re: e-mail bounce back
Group: S-Trains Message: 45982 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Re: Remote Control Unit - Photo Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 45983 From: afironhorse Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel 6 wheel Geep trucks for DD35 project
Group: S-Trains Message: 45984 From: Michael Rector Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: AF layout Plans
Group: S-Trains Message: 45985 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Latest Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 45986 From: Edward G. Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Noma talking station
Group: S-Trains Message: 45987 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 45988 From: Timboy Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 45989 From: Timboy Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 45990 From: Jim Hare Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Re: Remote Control Unit - Photo Posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 45991 From: innotron Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 45992 From: James Hannawald Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 45993 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: A chromed Atlantic on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 45994 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Fred's Train Parts Open House
Group: S-Trains Message: 45995 From: Scott Freeman Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Re: A chromed Atlantic on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 45996 From: donabrams@comcast.net Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: 282 loco *update*
Group: S-Trains Message: 45997 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: A Chromed Atlantic on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 45998 From: Roy Hoffman Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: A chromed Atlantic on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 45999 From: Scale S Only Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 46000 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 46001 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 46002 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 46003 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 46004 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Fred's Train Parts Open House
Group: S-Trains Message: 46005 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Last section
Group: S-Trains Message: 46006 From: rcon7@bellsouth.net Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: A Chromed Atlantic on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 46007 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: A Chromed Atlantic on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 46008 From: barb Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: 282 loco *update*
Group: S-Trains Message: 46009 From: donabrams@comcast.net Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: 282 loco *update*
Group: S-Trains Message: 46010 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Last section
Group: S-Trains Message: 46011 From: jnr59@aol.com Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: [Baltimore_and_Ohio] Digest Number 3550 Re: B&O "S" Scale MicroS
Group: S-Trains Message: 46012 From: gettysburg9 Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 46013 From: barb Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Last section
Group: S-Trains Message: 46014 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Fred's Train Parts Open House
Group: S-Trains Message: 46015 From: Timboy Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Last section
Group: S-Trains Message: 46016 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Last section
Group: S-Trains Message: 46017 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 46018 From: Paul4Schil@aol.com Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: New S scale kits- tug & barge
Group: S-Trains Message: 46019 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Last section
Group: S-Trains Message: 46020 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 46021 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Last section
Group: S-Trains Message: 46022 From: George Cohn Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Last section
Group: S-Trains Message: 46023 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: The Center
Group: S-Trains Message: 46024 From: donabrams@comcast.net Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: 282 loco *update*
Group: S-Trains Message: 46025 From: Al Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Last section
Group: S-Trains Message: 46026 From: gettysburg9 Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 46027 From: innotron Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: The Center
Group: S-Trains Message: 46028 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: The Center
Group: S-Trains Message: 46029 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: The Center
Group: S-Trains Message: 46030 From: Don Thompson Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: The Center
Group: S-Trains Message: 46031 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: The Center
Group: S-Trains Message: 46032 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: Fred's Train Parts Open House
Group: S-Trains Message: 46033 From: gettysburg9 Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: AF cab control
Group: S-Trains Message: 46034 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: AF cab control
Group: S-Trains Message: 46035 From: Don Thompson Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: AF cab control
Group: S-Trains Message: 46036 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: AF cab control
Group: S-Trains Message: 46037 From: gettysburg9 Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: AF cab control
Group: S-Trains Message: 46038 From: Timboy Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: AF cab control
Group: S-Trains Message: 46039 From: barb Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: The Center
Group: S-Trains Message: 46040 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: Fred's Train Parts Open House
Group: S-Trains Message: 46041 From: Jollivier4@cs.com Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Populating the ballfield
Group: S-Trains Message: 46042 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: The Center
Group: S-Trains Message: 46043 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] The Center
Group: S-Trains Message: 46044 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: e-mail bounce back
Group: S-Trains Message: 46045 From: Art Shifrin Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: inquiry by Shiffy
Group: S-Trains Message: 46046 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: The Center
Group: S-Trains Message: 46047 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Dugouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 46048 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Latest Update pictures
Group: S-Trains Message: 46049 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Felt Pads
Group: S-Trains Message: 46050 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] The Center
Group: S-Trains Message: 46051 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: Last section
Group: S-Trains Message: 46052 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 46053 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: The Center
Group: S-Trains Message: 46054 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: The Center
Group: S-Trains Message: 46055 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: Populating the ballfield
Group: S-Trains Message: 46056 From: clayton deich Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: amatures/motors.......
Group: S-Trains Message: 46057 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Lancaster PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 46058 From: James Hannawald Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: The Center
Group: S-Trains Message: 46059 From: Timboy Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Updated #717 Log Unloading Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 46060 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Baseball Park Fencing
Group: S-Trains Message: 46061 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: Fred's Train Parts Open House
Group: S-Trains Message: 46062 From: Timboy Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Photos on S-scale.org
Group: S-Trains Message: 46063 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: Photos on S-scale.org
Group: S-Trains Message: 46064 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: Photos on S-scale.org
Group: S-Trains Message: 46065 From: David Dewey Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Mike's & Barb's ball fields
Group: S-Trains Message: 46066 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Update pictures
Group: S-Trains Message: 46067 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: inquiry by Shiffy
Group: S-Trains Message: 46068 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: Updated #717 Log Unloading Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 46069 From: Wayne B. Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: American Flyer website
Group: S-Trains Message: 46070 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: Photos on S-scale.org
Group: S-Trains Message: 46071 From: Timboy Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: Photos on S-scale.org
Group: S-Trains Message: 46072 From: jarmstr2 Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: e-mail bounce back
Group: S-Trains Message: 46073 From: innotron Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: American Flyer website
Group: S-Trains Message: 46074 From: DPDB@AOL.com Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: amatures/motors.......
Group: S-Trains Message: 46075 From: DPDB@AOL.com Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: Updated #717 Log Unloading Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 46076 From: Al Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Last section
Group: S-Trains Message: 46077 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: Photos on S-scale.org
Group: S-Trains Message: 46078 From: s_trains Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Photo Viewing - Logins may be required
Group: S-Trains Message: 46079 From: Timboy Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: Updated #717 Log Unloading Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 46080 From: Art Shifrin Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: ebay 190181408376 offered by Shiffy
Group: S-Trains Message: 46081 From: Dave Hess Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Wiring a 324AC
Group: S-Trains Message: 46082 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Looking for member
Group: S-Trains Message: 46083 From: Timboy Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Conrail Project
Group: S-Trains Message: 46084 From: Mike Rosz Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] A cab control
Group: S-Trains Message: 46085 From: Timboy Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] A cab control
Group: S-Trains Message: 46086 From: barb Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: Conrail Project
Group: S-Trains Message: 46087 From: Edward G. Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: Conrail Project
Group: S-Trains Message: 46088 From: Dave Hess Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Wiring a 324AC Hudson
Group: S-Trains Message: 46089 From: Timboy Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: Conrail Project
Group: S-Trains Message: 46090 From: Edward G. Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: Conrail Project
Group: S-Trains Message: 46091 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/9/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 46092 From: barb Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: Wiring a 324AC Hudson
Group: S-Trains Message: 46093 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: Conrail Project
Group: S-Trains Message: 46094 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: Wiring a 324AC Hudson
Group: S-Trains Message: 46095 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Steam Wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 46096 From: Timboy Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: Conrail Project
Group: S-Trains Message: 46097 From: Mike Rosz Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] inquiry by Shiffy
Group: S-Trains Message: 46098 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: 324 & 290 wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 46099 From: James Hannawald Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: 466 Wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 46100 From: jwieckoski Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: All Aboard Panels
Group: S-Trains Message: 46101 From: Phil K Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: inquiry by Shiffy
Group: S-Trains Message: 46102 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/9/2007
Subject: Re: 466 Wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 46103 From: Doug Peck Date: 12/9/2007
Subject: Re: Wiring a 324AC Hudson
Group: S-Trains Message: 46105 From: Robert Ahrens Date: 12/9/2007
Subject: Re: Last section
Group: S-Trains Message: 46106 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/9/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/9/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 46107 From: Doug Peck Date: 12/9/2007
Subject: Re: NASG Commemorative Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 46108 From: gettysburg9 Date: 12/9/2007
Subject: How To? Decal removal...
Group: S-Trains Message: 46109 From: Trains Date: 12/9/2007
Subject: Re: 466 Wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 46110 From: James Hannawald Date: 12/9/2007
Subject: Re: 466 Wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 46111 From: bud9351 Date: 12/9/2007
Subject: AF track cleaning car
Group: S-Trains Message: 46112 From: charlie and edith Date: 12/9/2007
Subject: Re: How To? Decal removal...
Group: S-Trains Message: 46113 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/10/2007
Subject: Re: 466 Wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 46114 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 12/10/2007
Subject: Re: Last section
Group: S-Trains Message: 46115 From: George Cohn Date: 12/10/2007
Subject: Re: 466 Wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 46116 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/10/2007
Subject: Re: 466 Wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 46117 From: Bruce Papky Date: 12/10/2007
Subject: Re: How To? Decal Remover...
Group: S-Trains Message: 46118 From: Rhett George Date: 12/10/2007
Subject: Wiring a 324AC Hudson
Group: S-Trains Message: 46119 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/10/2007
Subject: Re: Last section
Group: S-Trains Message: 46120 From: beebear Date: 12/10/2007
Subject: New Program
Group: S-Trains Message: 46121 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/10/2007
Subject: Re: The Center
Group: S-Trains Message: 46122 From: Trains Date: 12/10/2007
Subject: Re: 466 Wiring
Group: S-Trains Message: 46123 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 12/11/2007
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 46124 From: Al Baker Date: 12/11/2007
Subject: Re: New Program
Group: S-Trains Message: 46125 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/11/2007
Subject: Lancaster, PA trip
Group: S-Trains Message: 46126 From: Robert Graves Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Five NIB Flyonel freight cars for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 46127 From: John Stevens Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Newby question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46128 From: frank emiro Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: Newby question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46129 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: Newby question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46130 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: Newby question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46131 From: jaay_st Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: Newby question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46132 From: jaay_st Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: Newby question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46133 From: Jim Hare Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Newby question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46134 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: Newby question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46135 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: Newby question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46136 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: Newby question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46137 From: John Stevens Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re my newby question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46138 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: Re my newby question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46139 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: Re my newby question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46140 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Regarding advice on reverse unit servicing
Group: S-Trains Message: 46141 From: Jim Hare Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Regarding advice on reverse unit servicing
Group: S-Trains Message: 46142 From: Robert Graves Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Five NIB Flyonel freight cars for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 46143 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Regarding advice on reverse unit servicing
Group: S-Trains Message: 46144 From: Mike Rosz Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] New Program
Group: S-Trains Message: 46145 From: Robert Ahrens Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: Re my newby question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46146 From: jaay_st Date: 12/13/2007
Subject: Best AF instruction book
Group: S-Trains Message: 46147 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/13/2007
Subject: Re: Best AF instruction book
Group: S-Trains Message: 46148 From: George Cohn Date: 12/13/2007
Subject: Re: Best AF instruction book
Group: S-Trains Message: 46149 From: David Dewey Date: 12/13/2007
Subject: Re: Newbie Question(s)
Group: S-Trains Message: 46150 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 12/13/2007
Subject: Re: Newbie Question(s) - Screw Post Repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 46151 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/13/2007
Subject: telephone poles revisted
Group: S-Trains Message: 46152 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 12/13/2007
Subject: Golden Spike Arrives!
Group: S-Trains Message: 46153 From: Scale S Only Date: 12/13/2007
Subject: Re: Golden Spike Arrives!
Group: S-Trains Message: 46154 From: David Dewey Date: 12/14/2007
Subject: Telephone poles
Group: S-Trains Message: 46155 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/14/2007
Subject: Re: Telephone poles
Group: S-Trains Message: 46156 From: roy inman Date: 12/14/2007
Subject: Re: Telephone poles
Group: S-Trains Message: 46157 From: roy inman Date: 12/14/2007
Subject: S Fest missing car
Group: S-Trains Message: 46158 From: barb Date: 12/14/2007
Subject: Re: Telephone poles
Group: S-Trains Message: 46159 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/14/2007
Subject: Re: Golden Spike Arrives!
Group: S-Trains Message: 46160 From: amflyrguy Date: 12/14/2007
Subject: Enameled wire
Group: S-Trains Message: 46161 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 12/14/2007
Subject: Re: Enameled wire
Group: S-Trains Message: 46162 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 12/14/2007
Subject: Re: S Fest missing car
Group: S-Trains Message: 46163 From: Jim Hare Date: 12/14/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Enameled wire
Group: S-Trains Message: 46164 From: ken_5556 Date: 12/14/2007
Subject: Re: Enameled wire
Group: S-Trains Message: 46165 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/14/2007
Subject: Enameled wire
Group: S-Trains Message: 46166 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 12/14/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Enameled wire
Group: S-Trains Message: 46167 From: beebear Date: 12/15/2007
Subject: Re: Enameled wire
Group: S-Trains Message: 46168 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/15/2007
Subject: Re: MAGNET WIRE OR ENAMEL WIRE
Group: S-Trains Message: 46169 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/15/2007
Subject: Re: ENAMLED WIRE/ MAGNET WIRE
Group: S-Trains Message: 46170 From: John Metzger Date: 12/15/2007
Subject: Re: S Fest missing car
Group: S-Trains Message: 46171 From: roy inman Date: 12/15/2007
Subject: Re: S Fest missing car
Group: S-Trains Message: 46172 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/15/2007
Subject: Re: Enameled wire
Group: S-Trains Message: 46173 From: afjerryk5 Date: 12/15/2007
Subject: S Fest car
Group: S-Trains Message: 46174 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 12/15/2007
Subject: Latest Creation, News Advert
Group: S-Trains Message: 46175 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/15/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/16/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 46176 From: John Metzger Date: 12/15/2007
Subject: Re: S Fest missing car
Group: S-Trains Message: 46177 From: Paul Yorke Date: 12/16/2007
Subject: Sharing the fun of trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 46178 From: barb Date: 12/16/2007
Subject: Re: Sharing the fun of trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 46179 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/16/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/16/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 46180 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 12/16/2007
Subject: 24565 Cannon Car Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46181 From: Robert Graves Date: 12/16/2007
Subject: Re: 24565 Cannon Car Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46182 From: Bruce D. Willis Date: 12/16/2007
Subject: NYC Docksider set sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 46183 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 12/16/2007
Subject: Re: 24565 Cannon Car Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46184 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/17/2007
Subject: Re: 24565 Cannon Car Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46185 From: Mike Rosz Date: 12/17/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] Enameled wire
Group: S-Trains Message: 46186 From: ken_5556 Date: 12/17/2007
Subject: Re: Enameled wire
Group: S-Trains Message: 46187 From: John Gibson Date: 12/17/2007
Subject: Northern California 2008 S Scale West Convention Announcement
Group: S-Trains Message: 46188 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/17/2007
Subject: Legacy and American Flyer – A first look.
Group: S-Trains Message: 46189 From: gettysburg9 Date: 12/18/2007
Subject: AF switch repair/rebuild Question:
Group: S-Trains Message: 46190 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/18/2007
Subject: Re: AF switch repair/rebuild Question:
Group: S-Trains Message: 46191 From: Dave Highfield Date: 12/18/2007
Subject: Train Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 46192 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/18/2007
Subject: Re: Train Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 46193 From: Timboy Date: 12/18/2007
Subject: Re: Train Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 46194 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 12/18/2007
Subject: Re: Train Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 46195 From: Mike Rosz Date: 12/18/2007
Subject: Re: Train Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 46196 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/19/2007
Subject: Re: Train Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 46197 From: Timboy Date: 12/19/2007
Subject: Re: Train Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 46198 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/19/2007
Subject: Fw: Train Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 46199 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/19/2007
Subject: Re: Train Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 46200 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/19/2007
Subject: Re: Train Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 46201 From: velapoldi Date: 12/19/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: Train Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 46202 From: paflyrman Date: 12/19/2007
Subject: Re: Train Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 46203 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 12/19/2007
Subject: Train Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 46204 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 12/19/2007
Subject: Re: 24565 Cannon Car Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46205 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 12/19/2007
Subject: Re: Train Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 46206 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/19/2007
Subject: "Fire in the Hole!" From the S-trains archive
Group: S-Trains Message: 46207 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/19/2007
Subject: Re: "Fire in the Hole!" From the S-trains archive
Group: S-Trains Message: 46208 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 12/19/2007
Subject: More laughs re: Flyonel Heavyweight Dining Car - Pennsy
Group: S-Trains Message: 46209 From: skipkendel Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Re: "Fire in the Hole!" From the S-trains archive
Group: S-Trains Message: 46210 From: Allan V Eisenhaur Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46211 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Re: "Fire in the Hole!" From the S-trains archive
Group: S-Trains Message: 46212 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46213 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46214 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: RE;re;Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46215 From: Timboy Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Re: RE;re;Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46216 From: Edward G. Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46217 From: Don Thompson Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46218 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46219 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46220 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Re: SMOKE FLUID PS:
Group: S-Trains Message: 46221 From: clayton deich Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46222 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46223 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46224 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46225 From: Edward G. Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46226 From: ken_5556 Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46227 From: Edward G. Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46228 From: clayton deich Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46229 From: Phil K Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46230 From: Edward G. Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46231 From: clayton deich Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46232 From: geep39 Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Smoke Fluid-What MTH Told Me
Group: S-Trains Message: 46233 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46234 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46235 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46236 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46237 From: dphobbies Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: New S Scale Boxcars Arrive and are shipping
Group: S-Trains Message: 46238 From: roy inman Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46239 From: innotron Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46240 From: Edward G. Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46241 From: Phil K Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46242 From: Jollivier4@cs.com Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: hold the smoke!!!! Help needed.
Group: S-Trains Message: 46243 From: Randy Giusti Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: 314aw wiring diagram needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 46244 From: clayton deich Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46245 From: Edward G. Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46246 From: Timboy Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46247 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46248 From: Phil K Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46249 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Randy and Jacques...
Group: S-Trains Message: 46250 From: barb Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Re: hold the smoke!!!! Help needed.
Group: S-Trains Message: 46251 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: C&O Hopper
Group: S-Trains Message: 46252 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: EBAY ITEM!!! Warning!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 46253 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46254 From: jnr59@aol.com Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Last Call S Gaugers for MicroScale B&O Decal Orders!!!............We
Group: S-Trains Message: 46255 From: Timboy Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46256 From: faltrain5 Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Merry Christmas!
Group: S-Trains Message: 46257 From: Gil Henke Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46258 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Merry Christmas!!!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 46259 From: Mike Rosz Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke fluid
Group: S-Trains Message: 46260 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Christmas Train Prices
Group: S-Trains Message: 46261 From: Mike Rosz Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] Merry Christmas!!!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 46262 From: Stephen E. Wilson Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Re: 314aw wiring diagram needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 46263 From: Jim Hare Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM] RE: [S-Trains] 314aw wiring diagram needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 46264 From: Timboy Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Items for trade or sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 46265 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/23/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 46266 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Re: Train Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 46267 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: BOILER-FRONT: FRANKLIN
Group: S-Trains Message: 46268 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains Message: 46269 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: Re: Train Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 46270 From: David Dewey Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: smoke unit repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 46271 From: David Dewey Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: Merry Christmas & tonite's Chat
Group: S-Trains Message: 46272 From: Rhett George Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains Message: 46273 From: dphobbies Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: New S Scale Correction & Recall
Group: S-Trains Message: 46274 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: Tonite's Chat
Group: S-Trains Message: 46275 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: The Best Smoke is ? ? ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46276 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: Greenberg Building
Group: S-Trains Message: 46277 From: Larry Moore Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains Message: 46278 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: Merry Christmas & tonite's Chat
Group: S-Trains Message: 46279 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/23/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 46280 From: boblines51 Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: MERRY CHRISTMAS
Group: S-Trains Message: 46281 From: Russ Dondero Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/23/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 46282 From: roy inman Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 46283 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/23/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 46284 From: Al Paolozzi Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: Re: BOILER-FRONT: FRANKLIN
Group: S-Trains Message: 46285 From: Russ Dondero Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: Lead paint redux
Group: S-Trains Message: 46286 From: jhl1963 Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Would you start with S today?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46287 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 46288 From: Scottish Shop Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Happy Christmas
Group: S-Trains Message: 46289 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer PS: SET #
Group: S-Trains Message: 46290 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 46291 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: Would you start with S today?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46292 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 46293 From: Bob Hendrickson Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: Would you start with S today?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46294 From: Roy Hoffman Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: Would you start with S today?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46295 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: Would you start with S today?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46296 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: Would you start with S today?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46297 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: Would you start with S today?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46298 From: clifma19@cox.net Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: Would you start with S today?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46299 From: John Metzger Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: The Best Smoke is ? ? ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46300 From: frank emiro Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: The Best Smoke is ? ? ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46301 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: The Best Smoke is ? ? ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46302 From: Greg Klein Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Movie - "The Man Who Saved Christmas"
Group: S-Trains Message: 46303 From: hjsheff Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: Would you start with S today?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46304 From: Glenn Sarlitto Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: 12B Transormer Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46305 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: Would you start with S today?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46306 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46307 From: Robert Boring Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: Would you start with S today?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46308 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46309 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: 12B Transormer Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46310 From: Glenn Sarlitto Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: 12B Transormer Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46311 From: Robert Graves Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 46312 From: Glenn Sarlitto Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46313 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: 12B Transormer Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46314 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46315 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 46316 From: Don Thompson Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: New S Scale Correction & Recall
Group: S-Trains Message: 46317 From: Don Thompson Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/23/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 46318 From: Scale S Only Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: Would you start with S today?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46319 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: 12B Transormer Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46320 From: Bill Lane Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Merry Christmas - Something Different
Group: S-Trains Message: 46321 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains Message: 46322 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: Would you start with S today?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46323 From: Glenn Sarlitto Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
Group: S-Trains Message: 46324 From: Jeff Silvera Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Merry "S"mas to all !!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 46325 From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: 12B Transormer Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46326 From: Al Paolozzi Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
Group: S-Trains Message: 46327 From: clayton deich Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
Group: S-Trains Message: 46328 From: George Cohn Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
Group: S-Trains Message: 46329 From: Robert Graves Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains Message: 46330 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Merry Christmas To All !
Group: S-Trains Message: 46331 From: Robert Graves Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46332 From: harvey tatel Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: log loader screw
Group: S-Trains Message: 46333 From: jhl1963 Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Thanks! Re: Would you start with S today?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46334 From: Glenn Sarlitto Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Christmas Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 46335 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Run the flyer because it has sentimental value
Group: S-Trains Message: 46336 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: our albums at .org
Group: S-Trains Message: 46337 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: our albums at .org
Group: S-Trains Message: 46338 From: Bob Hendrickson Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Thanks! Re: Would you start with S today?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46339 From: Bob Hendrickson Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Thanks! Re: Would you start with S today?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46340 From: innotron Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: Thanks! Re: Would you start with S today?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46341 From: roy inman Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains Message: 46342 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
Group: S-Trains Message: 46343 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46344 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: Thanks! Re: Would you start with S today?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46345 From: Phil K Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Merry Christmas to all
Group: S-Trains Message: 46346 From: John Degnan Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: NIMCO Model Railroad Supplies
Group: S-Trains Message: 46347 From: Crpntr12449@aol.com Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Christmas Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 46348 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Christmas Trains etc. on Youtube
Group: S-Trains Message: 46349 From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
Group: S-Trains Message: 46350 From: wjchadbourne Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Merry Christmas To All !
Group: S-Trains Message: 46351 From: Scale S Only Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Kinkade figures
Group: S-Trains Message: 46352 From: Robert Graves Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: More floor runner pix in my S-Friends Gallery
Group: S-Trains Message: 46353 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: I want to try the turn out for 148 AM track that will work with SCAL
Group: S-Trains Message: 46355 From: Bill Clark Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: I want to try the turn out for 148 AM track that will work with
Group: S-Trains Message: 46356 From: Al Baker Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 46357 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 46358 From: Al Baker Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 46359 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 46360 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 46361 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
Group: S-Trains Message: 46362 From: Rosie Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 46363 From: George Cohn Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 46364 From: Dave Highfield Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 46365 From: Rosie Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 46366 From: Randall Hicks Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: NIMCO Model Railroad Supplies
Group: S-Trains Message: 46367 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Big "L"
Group: S-Trains Message: 46368 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
Group: S-Trains Message: 46369 From: clayton deich Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
Group: S-Trains Message: 46370 From: chasesmithus Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: I want to try the turn out for 148 AM track that will work with
Group: S-Trains Message: 46371 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
Group: S-Trains Message: 46372 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
Group: S-Trains Message: 46373 From: clayton deich Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
Group: S-Trains Message: 46374 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Photos of my 2007 Christmas Layout/Village
Group: S-Trains Message: 46375 From: beebear Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Photos of my 2007 Christmas Layout/Village
Group: S-Trains Message: 46376 From: clayton deich Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Photos of my 2007 Christmas Layout/Village
Group: S-Trains Message: 46377 From: barb Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Photos of my 2007 Christmas Layout/Village
Group: S-Trains Message: 46378 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3897
Group: S-Trains Message: 46379 From: Robert Board Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Train Smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 46380 From: David Dewey Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3897
Group: S-Trains Message: 46381 From: George Cohn Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 46382 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: [toytrains] American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 46383 From: Steve Lunde Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 46384 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 46385 From: Phil K Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: What is a "cherry switch"?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46386 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: What is a "cherry switch"?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46387 From: James Hannawald Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: What is a "cherry switch"?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46388 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: What is a "cherry switch"?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46389 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Photos of my 2007 Christmas Layout/Village
Group: S-Trains Message: 46390 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
Group: S-Trains Message: 46391 From: beebear Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 46392 From: beebear Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: S Guage mags
Group: S-Trains Message: 46393 From: sgaugian Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: What is a "cherry switch"?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46394 From: sgaugian Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: What is a "cherry switch"?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46395 From: jhl1963 Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Preference - original accessories or repro?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46396 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
Group: S-Trains Message: 46397 From: clifma19@cox.net Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Preference - original accessories or repro?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46398 From: Phil K Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Preference - original accessories or repro?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46399 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
Group: S-Trains Message: 46400 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Original vs Repro AF Accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 46401 From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Re: S Guage mags
Group: S-Trains Message: 46402 From: Bruce Papky Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Christmas layout photos...
Group: S-Trains Message: 46403 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Using a Pike Master Crossover. It does not to look bad
Group: S-Trains Message: 46404 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Re: Original vs Repro AF Accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 46405 From: Timboy Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Re: Original vs Repro AF Accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 46406 From: Russ Dondero Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/23/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 46407 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Re: Original vs Repro AF Accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 46408 From: barb Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Re: Christmas layout photos...
Group: S-Trains Message: 46409 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Re: Christmas layout photos...
Group: S-Trains Message: 46410 From: barb Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Re: Original vs Repro AF Accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 46411 From: Timboy Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Re: Original vs Repro AF Accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 46412 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Re: Using a Pike Master Crossover. It does not to look bad
Group: S-Trains Message: 46413 From: charlie and edith Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Micro switch question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46414 From: Timboy Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: Re: Micro switch question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46415 From: rapidrail1 Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: Re: Original vs Repro AF Accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 46416 From: jhl1963 Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: Thanks Re: Original vs Repro AF Accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 46417 From: George Cohn Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: Re: Micro switch question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46418 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: layout questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 46419 From: Timboy Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: Re: Micro switch question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46420 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: Re: Micro switch question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46421 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: Re: Original vs Repro AF Accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 46422 From: fireladdie2003 Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: Re: Original vs Repro AF Accessories
Group: S-Trains Message: 46423 From: Gary Chidester Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: Re: Using a Pike Master Crossover. It does not to look bad
Group: S-Trains Message: 46424 From: Don Thompson Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: Re: layout questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 46425 From: Phil K Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: Using 30 degree AM crossovers for interest on layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 46426 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/30/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 46427 From: beebear Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: Re: S Guage mags
Group: S-Trains Message: 46428 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: Re: layout questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 46429 From: rj4010d Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: 314 whistle
Group: S-Trains Message: 46430 From: John Degnan Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: PRS Kit For "S"ale
Group: S-Trains Message: 46431 From: charlie and edith Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Micro switch question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46432 From: Timboy Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Micro switch question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46433 From: Doug Peck Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: SHS B&M F-7 B-unit ??
Group: S-Trains Message: 46434 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: WayneCastle Central RR
Group: S-Trains Message: 46435 From: Robert Boring Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Micro switch question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46436 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Why a latching relay???
Group: S-Trains Message: 46438 From: Timboy Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Micro switch question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46439 From: Timboy Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Why a latching relay???
Group: S-Trains Message: 46440 From: barb Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Bowser turntable, any good? Any others?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46441 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Man in the Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 46442 From: Robert Hannon Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: 314 whistle
Group: S-Trains Message: 46443 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Micro switch question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46444 From: Timboy Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Micro switch question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46445 From: Timboy Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Bowser turntable, any good? Any others?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46446 From: jhl1963 Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Bowser turntable, any good? Any others?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46447 From: John Degnan Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Popular Rail Codes in S scale (For Hand-Laying)
Group: S-Trains Message: 46448 From: Talmadge C 'TC' Carr Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: [finescale64] Popular Rail Codes in S scale (For Hand-Laying)
Group: S-Trains Message: 46449 From: Scale S Only Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Barb's turntable and photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 46450 From: barb Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Bowser turntable, any good? Any others?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46451 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/30/2007, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains Message: 46452 From: Bob or Deb Guckian Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: 314 whistle
Group: S-Trains Message: 46453 From: Bob or Deb Guckian Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Bowser turntable, any good? Any others?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46454 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Man in the Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 46455 From: barb Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Barb's turntable and photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 46456 From: barb Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Bowser turntable, any good? Any others?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46457 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Man in the Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 46458 From: John Degnan Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Popular Rail Codes in S scale (For Hand-Laying)
Group: S-Trains Message: 46459 From: Timboy Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Popular Rail Codes in S scale (For Hand-Laying)
Group: S-Trains Message: 46460 From: Lou &Lois Templeton Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Roundhouse
Group: S-Trains Message: 46461 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Roundhouse
Group: S-Trains Message: 46462 From: John Degnan Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Popular Rail Codes in S scale (For Hand-Laying)
Group: S-Trains Message: 46463 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: Man in the Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 46464 From: roy inman Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: Popular Rail Codes in S scale (For Hand-Laying)
Group: S-Trains Message: 46465 From: Mike Rosz Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] 12B Transformer Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 46466 From: Mike Rosz Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] Would you start with S today?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46467 From: Mike Rosz Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] Movie - "The Man Who Saved Christmas"
Group: S-Trains Message: 46468 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: Man in the Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 46469 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: latching relays
Group: S-Trains Message: 46470 From: George Cohn Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] Movie - "The Man Who Saved Christmas"
Group: S-Trains Message: 46471 From: Timboy Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: Popular Rail Codes in S scale (For Hand-Laying)
Group: S-Trains Message: 46472 From: Lou &Lois Templeton Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: [S-Trains] Town name
Group: S-Trains Message: 46473 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: Roundhouse * *
Group: S-Trains Message: 46474 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: Using a Pike Master Crossover. It does not to look bad
Group: S-Trains Message: 46475 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: E-bay
Group: S-Trains Message: 46476 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: Man in the Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 46477 From: Timboy Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: latching relays
Group: S-Trains Message: 46478 From: Andrew Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Yea ... Right ! Check this out on Ebay
Group: S-Trains Message: 46479 From: George Cohn Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: latching relays
Group: S-Trains Message: 46480 From: dwightlehnhoff Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: Man in the Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 46481 From: The LANIERs Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: E-bay
Group: S-Trains Message: 46482 From: Jim Hare Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [S-Trains] E-bay
Group: S-Trains Message: 46483 From: clayton deich Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
Group: S-Trains Message: 46484 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
Group: S-Trains Message: 46485 From: ken_5556 Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: latching relays
Group: S-Trains Message: 46486 From: John Degnan Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: Popular Rail Codes in S scale (For Hand-Laying)



Group: S-Trains Message: 42765 From: Trains Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] BUSS WIRING
Hi,
Buss wires terminate where practical... If you have a deadend point to point layout they end at or near end of track (usualy 2'-4') from nearest drop feeder from rails. If you have a loop type layout the buss wires would follow loop around and reconnect with themselves (be sure to watch your polarity and do not cross wires, try to use color coded wires.) This of course is desireable as it "feeds" from both ends at power source(s), therby cutting length of buss run in half, reducing power loss and resistance by half aprox. BTW track sould have feeder wires for every 3-4' section or length of run for the least power loss/drop. In my opinion for long runs exceeding 20' you should use 12 ga stranded wire, under 20' 14 ga stranded wire is more than adequate, for feeder drops (depending on distance) 24-18 ga stranded wire. In wiring, distance and amperage is critical when considering thickness of wire. short runs thiner ga, longer the run = thicker wire. There are reference charts for this sort of stuff in model railroad electrical source books.

Hope this is helpful'

Dr. K. Loeb (Peter)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42766 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: train songs
I have heard "The Wreck
of the Old 97" and if you
think about the tune you will
hear the Kingston Trio
singing "Charlie & the MTA"

Happy New Year!
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ;
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 7:26 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] train songs


On Sundays, when the radio is on, we have www.wamu.org, the PBS station of American University, as on Sundays they do Bluegrass music.

There was a set of train songs that I would like to share the titles of us, with you.

The first one was "The Wreck of the Old 97" which is a true story, that happen on a RR line in the Danville, Lynchburg area. I happen to have a minor league baseball bat, for the one year, the Danville 97's where playing baseball there while waiting to go to Durham, NC for their permanent home, of South Atlantic League.

Mike Marmer

.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42767 From: SnSTrains@aol.com Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Happy New Year
Happy new year to all from Steve and Sam at SnS.

Steve
S-'n-S Trains
American Flyer
replacement can motors
S-Gauge Videos
American Flyer repair
S and O gauge track cleaners
3239 Pepperwood Dr.
Boise, Idaho 83704
208-376-1159
SnStrains@...
www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42768 From: Dick Kuepper Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: AF train set box
I was inventorying some stored S stuff and came across this box. I have
no idea where it came from. It probably came with a "set" I bought
somehere from another operator, not collector. It was shipped from
Ellay Stores, NYC, to Barbizon Electric, NYC. The train set label is
faded, but appears to say "ADVERTISING" (see pix in rkuepper album).
Any thoughts on what it might have contained?

Thanks, and Happy New Year to all.

Dick Kuepper
Aurora, OH
Group: S-Trains Message: 42769 From: geep39 Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Train Song You May Never Have Heard
One train song that I heard recently is "Mystery Train" by Elvis
Presley. Apparently, it wasn't much of a hit. My son did manage to
get me a copy from one of the music "sharing" sites. Find it--it's
got a great train rhythm.
Group: S-Trains Message: 42770 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: AM track
Bill wrote: "Ive been thinking about going to American Models track and
getting rid of my good ol Gilbert Stuff."



Hi Bill,

Once you make the switch you'll never look back. The benefits are many and
drawbacks few. You didn't say if you are looking at flex track or
sectional. I have no experience with AM sectional, however with flex track,
I have used AM and/or SHS since the early '90s.

All S gauge track is compatible, it is merely at matter of insuring the rail
heads are the same height. Leaving gaps between two different types is not
a problem other than electrical continuality and that is easily rectified
with feeder wires. If you will be using ACG accessories you will need to
raise the rail head height to the same height as Flyer track because of the
pickup shoe on the car.

If you make the change over, my guess is you will soon leave the Flyer
crossings and switches behind as well.

Hope this helps-Happy New Year

Tom Stoltz

Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork
Maine S Gaugers
NASG

http://s-scale.org/albums/v/s-vendors/Stoltz/









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Group: S-Trains Message: 42771 From: Paul4Schil@aol.com Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: AM track
Hello, I've used AM sectional and flex track for a number of years. Both
work very well. I used the sectional to get around corners to insure I'm
maintaining the required radius and then use flex track otherwise, cutting it as
needed. I've also used the AM crossovers - very nice! As someone else noted,
once you make the change you'll never look back. It's realistic, competing
with the best HO has to offer, and takes to weathering/painting/detailing very
well.

Although I haven't tried it yet, SHS has a track system as well. It
looks very nice and comes pre-ballasted. It also mates with AF track and
probably with AM as well (although offhand I can't recall either AM or SHS
featuring interconnectivity with each other but then again I've been known to miss a
thing or two or more!).

Regards.

Paul Schilling




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Group: S-Trains Message: 42772 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: Train Song You May Never Have Heard
From the sorta cult movie "Mystery Train," a 1989 movie set in Memphis and
featuring the ghost of Elvis. Very entertaining.
Roy Inman

From: geep39 <schwartzsj@...>
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 14:28:54 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Train Song You May Never Have Heard


One train song that I heard recently is "Mystery Train" by Elvis
Presley. Apparently, it wasn't much of a hit. My son did manage to
get me a copy from one of the music "sharing" sites. Find it--it's
got a great train rhythm.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 42773 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: Train Song You May Never Have Heard
For the "MOST" songs "BOXCAR WILLY" has the most. Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42774 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Fw: 21129 problem solved
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Ralph Loveless
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 11:41 AM
Subject: 21129 problem solved


Happy New Year to all.

I finally figured out the tender problem, to my original 21129, as I know the wires on the engine are backwards.

I opened up a tender from a 21130 and opened up this 21129 tender.

Well, the wires on the 21129 tender are reversed too, as that is why it was driving me crazy.

I will say that the original wires from the 21129 engine where replaced, as we know that those wires can break, due to the plug. However, the I really don't think the wires in the tender where switched, as there was no reason to do so. There is still the original green wire inside the tender. Was the whole engine/tender sent out this way, as I do think this was a very early version of the 21129 set, since the flat cars where three digits, rats, LOL and the caboose, a new item, had a hand written end label for the box. And yes, I do know that many things at Gilbert had hand written boxes.

Anyway, thanks to Tom, who wrote several times to reverse the plug, as that did the trick, thanks to Mike S., and to Jerry Dobbs, who kept me going on this, as he wrote me about the tender and that got thinking to take a look. Yep, wires inside tender reversed.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42775 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: TRACK AM , SHS, & CLASSIC TRAINS
_Classic Trains_ (http://www.classictrains.com/) Try looking into Nick's
track Solid code 172 NS & does mate to AF track & SW's . Also is coming out
with more than the 90 degree crossovers. Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42776 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: 310 TENDER
Anyone know if the tenders on the 310 all came with a hole on top & end that
looks like a SIT unit was there or was it just that the tender was used
without the SIT unit? Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42777 From: toymyb Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Heimburger's Circus Set
Anyone bought one of Heimburgers Circus Set? If so what are your
thoughts? Are they S Helper Box cars and AM coachs? Who's flat cars?
Group: S-Trains Message: 42779 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: AF Rectiformer Tube & 310 Thank You
Anyone know the # for the Rectiformer TUBE? & thank all of you on the 310
Question


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42780 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Dulles Expo Greenberg Show
Saturday, December 30, my wife Linda and I went to the Greenberg Show at the Dulles Expo Center in Chantilly, VA near the Dulles Airport.

We normally don't do train shows, as York is the main shows we go to.

A little different type of crowd, than a TCA meet as it was full of families, which is a good thing, so maybe that will help keep the interest in trains going.

Being a collector of AF, I did not expect to very much AF, if any at all.

There where several groups with layouts from N, HO, the dreaded three rail stuff by National Capital Trackers, (JUST KIDDING), S by the Atlantic Coast S Group and a LGB layout.

There was also a motorcycle show going on to, as a few of them came into the train show. I am sure some train people venture into that show also.

But what was mostly being sold was new O items, as well, as a mix of toys, as it was a toy show also.

My wife got very excited when we saw someone selling cap guns and caps! They had pink ones, but she said no way. I did a search on Google later and it is amazing all the sites selling realistic looking toy guns! I had no idea, especially in today's times.

Frank Merson of Southern MD was at the show with his AF, as he sadly had nothing I was looking for, as I was not planning on getting anything, as it was more of a look at show, as I thought there would be no AF.

WRONG! Gary Clark from CT was there with his usual line up of prime AF. I picked up a E+/LN five digit Wabash Hopper that I needed to complete a 1958 set. It was good to see Laura and Gary, as they do Chantilly about every five years. For those who did not know Gary, he has mint to E+ items, pieces in the 100's. If anyone needs a 21139 for 1800 he has it. I need one, but a bit out of the budget at this time. It was amazing not only the kids trying to touch these things, but the adults that ignore the "please do not handle" signs.

We did see a O gauge Spongebob "Bikini Express" set. That might help in marketing of trains to kids.

Oh, it was neat to see the stand selling baseball things, as they had some cards from the 1960's. They had one card, Topps no. 282 from 1965 that was 40. I told the lady I have 10 of them in the same condition, basically mint. I made a mistake when I checked at the house, I only had 5. LOL This card has a bit of value as it had a rookie for the SF Giants, the first Japanese player to play in the US. So that was neat to see, as I have a ton of my cards from the 60's. O:)!

But for those who want cell use in halls, that was a disaster. People stopping in the middle of the aisle and having there conversations. Really slowed things down.

Anyway, it was a good day out, as lunch was at the Arby's, as I am partial to Arby's since one of my earliest jobs after college was the general manager of the Rockville, MD Arby's. At least their reputation has improved since the days I was there.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42781 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: 310 TENDER
I bought 2 of the 310 sets the first Christmas after WW2. Both locos have the hole in the tender where the smoke fill cap and tube would go if they were 312 smokers.
Chuck Smith, http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith
On matters of style swim with the current.
On matters of substance stand like a rock.
Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased)
----- Original Message -----
From: anormal1@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 3:25 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 310 TENDER


Anyone know if the tenders on the 310 all came with a hole on top & end that
looks like a SIT unit was there or was it just that the tender was used
without the SIT unit? Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42782 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: BUSS WIRING
Decide how far you want to run them and connect to the track, making sure polarity matches at all drops.
I like to attach a drop after every several pieces of Flyer track because the track pin connectors can induce a slight voltage loss over several pin joints.
Chuck Smith, http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith
On matters of style swim with the current.
On matters of substance stand like a rock.
Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased)
----- Original Message -----
From: plimo117
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 9:44 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] BUSS WIRING


Dumb question - When running buss wires around layout,
where do the buss wires terminate? I know of course they start at the
transformer, but where do the other ends connect???
Do you simply attach to the furthest track point and then drop feeders
all around at reasonable intervals? Also, how and when
do you use barrier strips ?

HAPPY NEW YEAR !





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Group: S-Trains Message: 42783 From: fnmichong Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Need help/advice on Flyonel 4-8-4 #800
Hi,

I finally tested my Flyonel 4-8-4 #800.
It will sometimes short out running clockwise
on AFG curved track. The rear wheel of the
front pilot makes contact with the valve gear.
I found that the valve gear is electrically "hot" relative
to the right rail (in engineer's seat facing
forward). There is no continuity between
either trailing truck pickup and the side rods
so maybe there is an electrical connection
through the electronics.

If somebody has the time and equipment I'd
a test to be run. Put the 4-8-4 in neutral
with full voltage. measure the voltage (AC)
between the each rail and the valve gear.
I'm trying to determine whether the chassis
should be "hot" or not.

Thanks for your help.

Fay Chong
Group: S-Trains Message: 42784 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: American Models Track versus AF Track
----- Original Message -----
From: g94a95
I've been thinking about going to American Models track . . . . . . . . . .
does it take special rail joiners to mate them up or will the standard
American Model joiners work??
> > > > > > >
American Models rail joiners will not connect to AF rail, but if you have
both tracks firmly attached to roadbed, there should be no problem in
keeping them aligned. Feed electricity to both sides of the meeting point
as needed.

Or you can take your high-speed hand-held motor tool with a cut-off disk and
cut away from one end of the AM track the base and web, leaving only the
head, and the head can act just like a track pin and slide into the AF track

If your track plan calls for any 90° crossINGs, hang on to your AF
crossings. AM has other angles, but no plans to do a 90°

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
Group: S-Trains Message: 42785 From: James Hannawald Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: 293 not running
I've run out of ideas of my own and I know this has been discussed before, but I'm unable to find anything in the past messages.

I have a AF 293 that is hard wired. It ran for about 3 minutes and then stopped. I can't get the motor to run by by-passing the reverse unit as described in Tom Barkers book. I have dis-connected it from the tender and reverse unit. It hums weakly and wants to start then blows the circuit breaker. Armature can be turned by hand easily, doesn't seem to be binding- using new brushes and springs.

Any ideas on what is happening. Thanks ahead of time for any help.

Jim

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42786 From: Ron Inscho Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: AF Rectiformer Tube
This tube was special made for this purpose only , # 1237 by Sylvania.
Gilbert # PA 10830, there should be a way to do this with diodes since this
tube is so hard to find
Group: S-Trains Message: 42787 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: electrician
Their seems to be someone on this list that is a very rude person. They have
taken exception to the fact that after being a Com. , Ind. & Edison
transformer repairman & all around house wiring electrician for over 35+ years. I was
too stupid to find the issue with the 336 I had asked for help with.
Thanks to everyone that helped me.
Such a sad way to start the year with a lower form of human. :( MIKE


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42788 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: 293 not running
Jim,
Might sound funny, but are you using a large enough transformer.
That is why my 336 would run & then trip the breaker. Just a good first place to
start, Mike
PS: I was using a MRC ll went to a 15B & it ran fine


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42789 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: Need help/advice on Flyonel 4-8-4 #800
Fay,

The chassis should be isolated from track voltage.
The Side rods and valve gear have insulaotrs in them to keep the voltage
isolated from the chassis.

I have a link to a picture of where the insulators are are at:
http://www.tuveson.com/800northern/rodinsulators.htm

Hope this helps,

Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of fnmichong
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:46 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Need help/advice on Flyonel 4-8-4 #800


Hi,

I finally tested my Flyonel 4-8-4 #800.
It will sometimes short out running clockwise
on AFG curved track. The rear wheel of the
front pilot makes contact with the valve gear.
I found that the valve gear is electrically "hot" relative
to the right rail (in engineer's seat facing
forward). There is no continuity between
either trailing truck pickup and the side rods
so maybe there is an electrical connection
through the electronics.

If somebody has the time and equipment I'd
a test to be run. Put the 4-8-4 in neutral
with full voltage. measure the voltage (AC)
between the each rail and the valve gear.
I'm trying to determine whether the chassis
should be "hot" or not.

Thanks for your help.

Fay Chong



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Group: S-Trains Message: 42790 From: Donald Thompson Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: Heimburger's Circus Set
Dear "t",
I was very happy when Don asked us to make the stock cars, boxcars
and flatcars (with ramps and rub rails) for his circus set. Today, they
sailed from Hong Kong. We have been having problems with delivery from
our builder, but I am glad these are finally on the way to us. We
expect to see them about the 29th or so and ship them on to the gang at
Scenery Unlimited. The graphics were a real challenge with all of the
bright colors. I do not think that photos can do justice to the actual
cars. I believe the coaches are American Flyer. I am not sure if any
sets are left, but you can contact them directly.
Happy New Year!
Don

toymyb wrote:

> Anyone bought one of Heimburgers Circus Set? If so what are your
> thoughts? Are they S Helper Box cars and AM coachs? Who's flat cars?
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 42791 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: heimgurgerhouse.com circus set #1000
Looking at their add in the s gaugian mag ,September/October 2006 and
they make no mention as to who the manufacture is. They also mention
high rail and nothing about scale wheelsets. It is atwo page article
in the midle of the mag. Hope this helps. Alan Lambert
Group: S-Trains Message: 42792 From: Donald Thompson Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: heimgurgerhouse.com circus set #1000
Dear Alan,
Our cars will be going to Don with the code 110 wheel, do not know
about the others.
Best,
Don

Alan D. Lambert wrote:

>
> Looking at their add in the s gaugian mag ,September/October 2006 and
> they make no mention as to who the manufacture is. They also mention
> high rail and nothing about scale wheelsets. It is atwo page article
> in the midle of the mag. Hope this helps. Alan Lambert
>
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 42793 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: 21129 problem solved
You are welcome Happy New Year Tom


-----Original Message-----
From: mlmarmer@...
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 1:38 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: 21129 problem solved



----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Ralph Loveless
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 11:41 AM
Subject: 21129 problem solved

Happy New Year to all.

I finally figured out the tender problem, to my original 21129, as I know the wires on the engine are backwards.

I opened up a tender from a 21130 and opened up this 21129 tender.

Well, the wires on the 21129 tender are reversed too, as that is why it was driving me crazy.

I will say that the original wires from the 21129 engine where replaced, as we know that those wires can break, due to the plug. However, the I really don't think the wires in the tender where switched, as there was no reason to do so. There is still the original green wire inside the tender. Was the whole engine/tender sent out this way, as I do think this was a very early version of the 21129 set, since the flat cars where three digits, rats, LOL and the caboose, a new item, had a hand written end label for the box. And yes, I do know that many things at Gilbert had hand written boxes.

Anyway, thanks to Tom, who wrote several times to reverse the plug, as that did the trick, thanks to Mike S., and to Jerry Dobbs, who kept me going on this, as he wrote me about the tender and that got thinking to take a look. Yep, wires inside tender reversed.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42794 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: 293 not running
Try disconnecting the connecting rods erom the wheels. Basicly check for a quartering problem.
Tom


-----Original Message-----
From: jhannawald@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 8:08 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] 293 not running


I've run out of ideas of my own and I know this has been discussed before, but I'm unable to find anything in the past messages.

I have a AF 293 that is hard wired. It ran for about 3 minutes and then stopped. I can't get the motor to run by by-passing the reverse unit as described in Tom Barkers book. I have dis-connected it from the tender and reverse unit. It hums weakly and wants to start then blows the circuit breaker. Armature can be turned by hand easily, doesn't seem to be binding- using new brushes and springs.

Any ideas on what is happening. Thanks ahead of time for any help.

Jim

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42795 From: scrabtiger Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Christmas Cars
I am looking for #48623- Naughty and Nice two piece set. Does anyone
know where I can find one?

Thanks,
Sharon
Group: S-Trains Message: 42796 From: Bill Frazier Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: AF Rectiformer Tube & 310 Thank You
Re: AF Rectiformer Tube & 310 Thank You Posted by: "anormal1@..." anormal1@... anormal11 Mon Jan 1, 2007 2:31 pm (PST) Anyone know the # for the Rectiformer & thank all of you on the 310 Question


It is a Sylvania #1237 tube, available from Doug Peck (Portlines).

Bill Frazier



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Group: S-Trains Message: 42797 From: Gale Hall Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: 293
I was going to say check the crossheads and make sure they are still in the hole and not jammed against the cylinder, ya know there are two different lengths of piston rods among the Atlantic and Pacifics. But this would not allow for the free movement of the armature unless you were going the other way. What about movement in the driver rims are they coming against the chassis anytime?? You said you dropped out the reversing unit and then bypassed it, are you sure the wiring is right to bypass the E unit? If the E unit is in operation and still won't run try checking all the fingers and make sure all of them are touching the drumb...go in there with a piece of sprue so something and touch the nub that should be touching the drum, it might even have a hole burned and not making good contact...

gale hall


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42798 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: Speaker for Alco Dummy
try this
Has several for sale

http://www.ebaystores.com/GREAT-TRAIN-ESCAPE?refid=store


-----Original Message-----
From: AF336@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 2:43 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Speaker for Alco Dummy


Well I was letting my granddaughter play with the horn on my NYC PA-1
dummy 6-48134 and the speaker was not up to the constant duty cycle.
The speaker managed to blow just prior to her grandmother who had had
about enough of the horn too.

But I digress; the question is where to get the speaker? I looked
online at Lionel and they don't have a parts listing for this unit, at
least that I could find.

Anyone have a part number?

I found the same form factor speaker at digikey (36mm), but the
impedance on it is 8 ohm and the one in question is labeled as 16 ohm.

Thx,

MK



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Group: S-Trains Message: 42799 From: jimensign50@aol.com Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: Re: New Northern Smoke
Thanks for the great illustrations that accompany your article, Carl. My
wife and son got me the grey Northern for Christmas and I love it. It DOES
have the annoying squeak, but I'm trying to learn to live with it as I just
can't bring myself to tear into a new engine just yet. I did find that it smokes
much better if I used the higher voltage transformer (18v) that came with my
son's Polar Express, than it does when I use my old 15v 12B. I'm still
trying to get used to the Railsounds, too. Pretty fancy for a poor ol' boy like
me!!

Jim E.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42800 From: Bob Hannon Date: 1/1/2007
Subject: 293 not running
Jim:

If it runs for a few minutes, slows down, stops and
triggers the circuit breaker on your transformer, here
are some things to check:

1. The Commutator: The commutator on the armature
may have its bars shorted together. Take an X-Acto
knife and carefully run it through the slits in the commutator.
You should see no gunk on the tip when you extract it,
and the underlying ?phenolic" should feel smooth as the
knife is drawn through.

2. If #1 is true and you can clean it all out, perhaps
the windings have NOT been damaged. If they have,
then the symptom will reoccur when you put it back
on the track. They've basically melted their insulation
off, and have shorted layer to layer. In this case,
they have to be rewound (armature for sure, and possibly
the field as well due to the high current that passed through
it before the circuit breaker finally kicked in).

I rewind a lot of these. For those few that can be
recovered (not obviously burned), the first thing I
do is measure the pole to pole resistance. Then
I clean out the slots and remeasure it, watching
the resistance go UP as the short (a brush fragment or
oil and carbon gunk) is removed.

One last question: By any chance, were your
armature and/or field wound with a dark purple
(may almost be black at this point) wire?

Bob Hannon




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Group: S-Trains Message: 42801 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: Re: New Northern Smoke
Hi Jim;
Yes that is a pretty nifty engine. I got mine about a month ago. At least
you have Railsounds. Mine makes no noise EXCEPT the squeak.
I see from other posts that Lionel is working on a fix for the squeak and
smoke production problem, so I too will wait and see what they offer under
warranty.
Happy New Year.
Roy Inman

From: jimensign50@...
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 01:20:37 -0500 (EST)
To: carl@..., S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Northern Smoke


Thanks for the great illustrations that accompany your article, Carl. My
wife and son got me the grey Northern for Christmas and I love it. It DOES
have the annoying squeak, but I'm trying to learn to live with it as I just
can't bring myself to tear into a new engine just yet. I did find that it
smokes
much better if I used the higher voltage transformer (18v) that came with
my
son's Polar Express, than it does when I use my old 15v 12B. I'm still
trying to get used to the Railsounds, too. Pretty fancy for a poor ol'
boy like
me!!

Jim E.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42802 From: srmj@wi.rr.com Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: Re: 293 not running
James,
Check the armature shims, it may be shimed too tightly. When the
armature heats up it will expand, if there is not enough play it will
bind up when it heats up.

Steve Lunde

----- Original Message -----
From: James Hannawald <jhannawald@...>
Date: Monday, January 1, 2007 8:33 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] 293 not running
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

> I've run out of ideas of my own and I know this has been discussed
> before, but I'm unable to find anything in the past messages.
>
> I have a AF 293 that is hard wired. It ran for about 3 minutes
> and then stopped. I can't get the motor to run by by-passing the
> reverse unit as described in Tom Barkers book. I have dis-
> connected it from the tender and reverse unit. It hums weakly and
> wants to start then blows the circuit breaker. Armature can be
> turned by hand easily, doesn't seem to be binding- using new
> brushes and springs.
>
> Any ideas on what is happening. Thanks ahead of time for any help.
>
> Jim
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 42803 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: I see a trend here...
Toy and Hi-rail trains are outselling "model" trains locally. Of the
three local hobby shops that focus on trains, it appears all are
selling alot more O gauge 3 rail than HO scale trains. At G&M we
seem to have sold more S gauge than N scale trains in 2006.
This appears to be a growing nationwide trend, and I think there
are good reasons for it...
Model railroading has become too serious, too research and
prototype oriented and alot less fun over the years. To many "rivet
counters" who know too much and will tell you everything that is
wrong with your trains. Too many "fine scale" standards that make a
train more realistic, but harder to keep on the track and coupled.
Today's baby boomer has enough stress, why do a hobby that becomes a
second job?
Then there's the fact that the smaller scales are becoming just as
expensive as the bigger scales, so there is much less of a "more bang
for the buck" advantage. The price of some HO steam locos is as much
as an S gauge steamer now.
Beside that, none of us are getting any younger, we don't see those
tiny little wheels as well as we used to and the dexterity of our
fingers isn't what it used to be. Rerailing those HO trains all the
time has become a hassle.
And finally, the difference between toy and scale appearance has
gotten so close these days that it's not as much of an issue as it
was years ago. The O and S gauge manufacturers are to be commended
for that. A trend Flyer started back in the fifties.
Stumpy Stone...just an observation of mine...Martins Ferry, OH.
Group: S-Trains Message: 42804 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: Re: Christmas Cars
i JUST SAW ONE LAST WEEK AT NITRO HOBBIES IN ? POCA? W.VA..... THE STORE IN NITRO WOULD HAVE THEIR NUMBER..... DON'T REMEMBER THE PRICE.... BOB
----- Original Message -----
From: scrabtiger
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 11:05 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Christmas Cars


I am looking for #48623- Naughty and Nice two piece set. Does anyone
know where I can find one?

Thanks,
Sharon





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Group: S-Trains Message: 42805 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: Re: Ebay Northern
I can't answer the question, but I know Dave and he's a great guy. Like Rick Dunn, he's selling a late friend's collection for the widow. Seems to be a lot of that going around these days!

acgilbertflyer <AF336@...> wrote: Nice basket case Northern:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZddnlsguageQQhtZ-1

Everthing is listed as excellent, wonder if this guy is parting this
out to improve sales $? Hopefully none of our brethren expired while
in the process of a cleaning/refurbish,reassembly.

My wife tells me everytime I bid on an ebay flyer item that some day
it will be out front in her estate cleaning garage sale with a 25cent
price stiker on it.

The user name would imply he is an experienced sgauger. 100% feedback,
does anyone on the list know the guy?





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Group: S-Trains Message: 42806 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: New B unit rail sounds
I took some video/audo of my SF B unit.

Check it out at: http://www.mwkiner.com/video/sfsound.htm


thx,

MK
Group: S-Trains Message: 42807 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: West Coast Pricing
I know that Gilbert charge more for sets being shipped to the west coast, due to shipping cost, but I am wondering if the company charge more on individual pieces also being shipped to the west?

Thanks,

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42808 From: Rhett George Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: 293 not running
- Greetings -

Happy New Year!

Jim Hannawald asked about his 293 running weakly if at all and tripping
the circuit breaker. If the power source is an A F transformer, the
circuit breaker models mostly are 90 watts or more which should easily
operate that engine. It sounds like an Atlantic I worked on about a
year ago. Some soul with more enthusiasm than knowledge had rewired
the reversing unit so that the field and armature circuits were in
parallel. There is just not enough resistance in the field for this
to work. The two are supposed to be in series. After straightening
out the wiring the locomotive ran fine, drawing about 1 1/3 amperes
instead of the 8 amperes or so that it drew initially. The transformer
was hjappier as well.

CheerS,

Ammeter Rhett
Group: S-Trains Message: 42809 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: Flyonel Mikado Sound discovery
I thought I would post this as I recall a problem that Steve
Blackburn had a few months back with his sound on his Mikado.

Today I was home sick and decided it was time I unpacked my Southern
Mikado. I was planning on putting my Alton pacific on the track next,
but I got side tracked.


Ok so I lube up the Southern Mikado and set it on the track. I
believe I experienced the same rail sounds working that Steve
mentioned with his Mikado, basically everything but chuff and boiler
sounds.

This being my 4th Mikado and the first to have a problem, undaunted I
pulled the tender shell off. The two rail sound boards did not seem
to be plugged in all the way so I pulled them apart, had a look see,
and then plugged them back in, this time all the way.

Prior to putting the tender cover back on the unit I headed to the
track for a test. Low and behold everything worked.

Back to the work table, and I bolt the tender shell in place, and
then proceed back to the track. Hmmm no chuff sound, just like b4. So
I decide there is a bad connection on a wire that was disturbed in
the reinstallation of the tender shell. I pull the tender all apart
and see nothing. Back to the track all sounds work, hmmm.

So on goes the shell, no work. Off comes the shell work. I begin
moving the shell around wiggling wires while the tender is on the
track and hot. No issues sound works fine.

I place the shell on the tender loose, all sounds work. Insert tender
bolts, no chuff sound again. Remove bolts sound comes back. Insert
one bolt sound gone, remove one bolt sound back.

Ok so it occurs to me that there is an issue with electrical contact
between the tender shell and the tender frame, and decide there is
something making contact with the tender shell that should not.

Upon further investigation I discover a little too much solder on the
RS on off switch; causing it to make contact with the body of the
switch at a fold-over tab used to hold the switch together. This is
in turn making contact with the tender shell, and essentially turning
off the rail sounds. I clean this solder away from the switch
reinstall everything and voila it all works like it should. All of
this caused by a tiny bit of solder in the wrong place.

So now I am wondering, Steve, do you suppose you have a short to your
tender also? I can imagine this taking a while to show up as there is
enough paint that until the screws are removed and reinserted a time
or two there might not be continuity between the tender shell and the
tender frame.

Any I thought this little 1.5 hr excursion could be useful for the
group, so here it is…
Group: S-Trains Message: 42810 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: Alton Limited and Southern Mikado video
Well I finally got around to unboxing the Alton. A two minuted video
clip is linked below. File size is 2.2meg.


http://www.mwkiner.com/video/Alton_Limited_and_Southern.wmv
Group: S-Trains Message: 42811 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: Directions to Jan 6th KEYSTONE TCA Meet
St Philip's Catholic Church is located in Millersville PA, at the
intersection of PA 999 & PA 741. IF you are travelling Rt 30 OR Rt 283 to get to us,
take the RT 741 EXIT--MILLERSVILLE UNIV. Stay on RT 741 til you approach the
intersection after you crest a hill. St Philip's is on the left, IF you see
us in time, slip into the upper parking lot, if NOT, then go on to
interesction in LEFT lane, Turn LEFT with light, go to church driveway on LEFT, turn
into drieway, park in rear. Rear doors will be open, stop at the registration
desk and get admitted, come in, ENJOY.

IF you are coming from the east or south, find RT 741 in GAP, follow to
church at Rt 999. Regular gas in Gap this AM was 2.25 at WAWA and the CITGO,
higher elsewhere (EVERY WHERE ELSE).

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42812 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: Pictures of the Alton Limited
Group: S-Trains Message: 42813 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado Sound discovery
In a message dated 01/02/2007 4:53:19 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
robbe_wan@... writes:

I thought I would post this as I recall a problem that Steve
Blackburn had a few months back with his sound on his Mikado.

OK so it occurs to me that there is an issue with electrical contact
between the tender shell and the tender frame, and decide there is
something making contact with the tender shell that should not.

Upon further investigation I discover a little too much solder on the
RS on off switch; causing it to make contact with the body of the
switch at a fold-over tab used to hold the switch together. This is
in turn making contact with the tender shell, and essentially turning
off the rail sounds. I clean this solder away from the switch
reinstall everything and voila it all works like it should. All of
this caused by a tiny bit of solder in the wrong place.

So now I am wondering, Steve, do you suppose you have a short to your
tender also? I can imagine this taking a while to show up as there is
enough paint that until the screws are removed and reinserted a time
or two there might not be continuity between the tender shell and the
tender frame.





NO, in my case it was the cherry switch. In fact it went back to Lionel
twice for
that same reason. It has been a Tiger ever since.

Steve Blackburn
SnS Trains
Boise......How about those Broncos!!!


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42814 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: Fw: Ebay refund
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Ralph Loveless
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 9:36 PM
Subject: Ebay refund


I finally got my refund back from the seller who sold the Simmons Reefer last month, as he sold me a AF flat car with repro pipes, as the pipes where not mentioned in the description.

Plus he charged me for non existent shipping insurance. And we went back and forth on why I paid for insurance, principle, as I think he has a scam going on and why he did not list the pipes as repro. I never got any answers from this man.

I know the above is repeated information, as he got the car back Friday, as I had a signature confirmation. He was not going to refund my money, unless I sent the other car back, which had nothing to do with this car, separate transaction.

I emailed him Friday when he got the car back and I never heard from him, as I emailed him again on Saturday.

He has a AF Christmas Tree car for sale, with original trees he says, original to what, as one tree is a "foot" taller. No, just a inch.

I was able to get a volunteer to email him Monday about why the tree was taller. This kind volunteer got a bum answer. "Check reference books" as he got a quick answer, as I thought MAYBE he does not work on weekends and holidays, right.

I email him this morning, asking why he email this person back, but not me? I also told him that I was going to start filing claims against him with Pay Pal and Ebay, if I do not get the refund today.

Well, I got the refund and the following message.

Oh he threaten me with negative feedback last week.

Why, and why was I harassing him, all I did was ask him why the repro pipes and why no insurance on the package, as his replies where the usual nasty, NO REFUNDS INSURANCE and YOU ARE BLOCK FROM FURTHER BIDDING. He likes to scream as you can see.

Oh, he did throw his weight around with me that he is great and wonderful with ebay and pay pal, as he has sold over a 100,000 items. Oh, so why when I search M&W Auctions in Cynthiana, KY he added U-Haul rentals to his business. Yep, train business very very very good for this guy.

BEWARE!

See below.

Mike


M & W INTERNET AUCTIONS ON MAIN (M91@...) has issued you a full or partial refund for your payment. See Refund Details below for more information.

Please do not reply to this email. Email sent to this address cannot be answered.

Message From Seller:
PARTIAL REFUND FOR INCOMPLETE RETRUNED ORDER. BY ACCEPTING REFUND BIDDER AGREES TO NO FURTHER CONTACT BY HIMSELF OR FELLOW PARTNERS IN CONTINUED HARASSMENT VIA EMAIL. BIDDER HAS BEEN BLOCKED FROM BIDDING OR EMAILING US.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 42815 From: Phil K Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: Ebay refund
What does the Better Business Bureau have to day about this seller?
Or the Office of the Attorney General in his state?

From the following, it seems like the guy has been in
this "displeased customer situation" before.

BTW, his agreement attached to you accepting your refund is illegal.
You do not surrender any of your rights in order to get a refund for
a product that was not as advertised.

Phil K


>
> M & W INTERNET AUCTIONS ON MAIN (M91@...) has issued you a full or
partial refund for your payment. See Refund Details below for more
information.
>
> Please do not reply to this email. Email sent to this address
cannot be answered.
>
> Message From Seller:
> PARTIAL REFUND FOR INCOMPLETE RETRUNED ORDER. BY ACCEPTING REFUND
BIDDER AGREES TO NO FURTHER CONTACT BY HIMSELF OR FELLOW PARTNERS IN
CONTINUED HARASSMENT VIA EMAIL. BIDDER HAS BEEN BLOCKED FROM BIDDING
OR EMAILING US.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 42816 From: uvl97222 Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: Why is it some ebay bidders are....
Can any one tell me why an Ebay bidder would be able to do this? "private listing - bidders'
identities protected" Also would my bid be the posted the same way if others looked at my
bid under the same item?
Could this not be a way to jack the bid up with the use of a friend.. I have never run in to this
before.

Clayton S. D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 42817 From: uvl97222 Date: 1/2/2007
Subject: Re: AF Rectiformer Tube & 310 Thank You
I will post the part number of the tube out of the AC Gilbert book, and a photo of the page
too. PA10830 see photo.



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Frazier <bilfrazier@...> wrote:
>
> Re: AF Rectiformer Tube & 310 Thank You Posted by: "anormal1@..." anormal1@...
anormal11 Mon Jan 1, 2007 2:31 pm (PST) Anyone know the # for the Rectiformer & thank
all of you on the 310 Question
>
>
> It is a Sylvania #1237 tube, available from Doug Peck (Portlines).
>
> Bill Frazier
>
>
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 42818 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Chicago & Alton Limited set
Thanks to Mark Kiner, the #49616 Chicago & Alton Limited Passenger set has joined The Gilbert Gallery:

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/Pullman_Heavyweights_Alton.html

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42819 From: Alex Sibbald Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: Ebay refund
Hi Mike,
Thank you for your update on this seller. Living here in San Diego, the
only source of used "S" equipment is Ebay and although I check feedback
before bidding, this guy on the surface looks great. He moves alot of
product and from all the positive feedbacks one would assume that most
of his products are genuine. However, I would not do business with
anyone with an attitude such as he has openly and defiantly displayed
without any explanations, as if he was brushing off a bothersome fly. If
there was an internet equivalent of the Better Business Bureau this
fellow would be in trouble. I have recorded his address permanently in
my mental "do not buy from" list.
Thanks alot,
Alex Sibbald

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael and Linda Marmer
> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Ralph Loveless
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 9:36 PM
> Subject: Ebay refund
>
> I finally got my refund back from the seller who sold the Simmons
> Reefer last month, as he sold me a AF flat car with repro pipes, as
> the pipes where not mentioned in the description.
>
> Plus he charged me for non existent shipping insurance. And we went
> back and forth on why I paid for insurance, principle, as I think he
> has a scam going on and why he did not list the pipes as repro. I
> never got any answers from this man.
>
> I know the above is repeated information, as he got the car back
> Friday, as I had a signature confirmation. He was not going to refund
> my money, unless I sent the other car back, which had nothing to do
> with this car, separate transaction.
>
> I emailed him Friday when he got the car back and I never heard from
> him, as I emailed him again on Saturday.
>
> He has a AF Christmas Tree car for sale, with original trees he says,
> original to what, as one tree is a "foot" taller. No, just a inch.
>
> I was able to get a volunteer to email him Monday about why the tree
> was taller. This kind volunteer got a bum answer. "Check reference
> books" as he got a quick answer, as I thought MAYBE he does not work
> on weekends and holidays, right.
>
> I email him this morning, asking why he email this person back, but
> not me? I also told him that I was going to start filing claims
> against him with Pay Pal and Ebay, if I do not get the refund today.
>
> Well, I got the refund and the following message.
>
> Oh he threaten me with negative feedback last week.
>
> Why, and why was I harassing him, all I did was ask him why the repro
> pipes and why no insurance on the package, as his replies where the
> usual nasty, NO REFUNDS INSURANCE and YOU ARE BLOCK FROM FURTHER
> BIDDING. He likes to scream as you can see.
>
> Oh, he did throw his weight around with me that he is great and
> wonderful with ebay and pay pal, as he has sold over a 100,000 items.
> Oh, so why when I search M&W Auctions in Cynthiana, KY he added U-Haul
> rentals to his business. Yep, train business very very very good for
> this guy.
>
> BEWARE!
>
> See below.
>
> Mike
>
> M & W INTERNET AUCTIONS ON MAIN (M91@...) has issued you a
> full or partial refund for your payment. See Refund Details below for
> more information.
>
> Please do not reply to this email. Email sent to this address cannot
> be answered.
>
> Message From Seller:
> PARTIAL REFUND FOR INCOMPLETE RETRUNED ORDER. BY ACCEPTING REFUND
> BIDDER AGREES TO NO FURTHER CONTACT BY HIMSELF OR FELLOW PARTNERS IN
> CONTINUED HARASSMENT VIA EMAIL. BIDDER HAS BEEN BLOCKED FROM BIDDING
> OR EMAILING US.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42820 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: AF Rectiformer Tube & 310 Thank You
Hi Bill,
I found out this tube was only made for AC Gilbert. I know of one
dealer besides Doug Peck. Their prices are close. I used to carry them but
at 36-39 ea. It's hard to stock them. I do stock the 1117GT for the electronic
whistle control. Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42821 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Why is it some ebay bidders are....
Clayton,
the bidder or seller can use the private bidders shield. I
agree that you don't know their feedback, E-Bay allows this & it defeats the
whole feedback system. Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42822 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: Ebay refund
Alex,

You are welcome, as you mentioned you do not like his attitude.

Funny you should mention the word attitude, as one of the first emails I got from him, when he refuse to answer my questions, was "I do not like your attitude (meaning me) as a ebayer. You are no longer allowed to bid on my items". Which I do not plan on doing.

I emailed him back that "I don't like your (his) attitude as a business person".

That is how silly this thing went.

Yep, I sure was harassing him. Right.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Sibbald
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:38 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Ebay refund


Hi Mike,
Thank you for your update on this seller Living here in San Diego, the
only source of used "S" equipment is Ebay and although I check feedback
before bidding, this guy on the surface looks great. He moves alot of
product and from all the positive feedbacks one would assume that most
of his products are genuine. However, I would not do business with
anyone with an attitude such as he has openly and defiantly displayed
without any explanations, as if he was brushing off a bothersome fly. If
there was an internet equivalent of the Better Business Bureau this
fellow would be in trouble. I have recorded his address permanently in
my mental "do not buy from" list.
Thanks alot,
Alex Sibbald

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael and Linda Marmer
> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Ralph Loveless
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 9:36 PM
> Subject: Ebay refund
>
> I finally got my refund back from the seller who sold the Simmons
> Reefer last month, as he sold me a AF flat car with repro pipes, as
> the pipes where not mentioned in the description.
>
> Plus he charged me for non existent shipping insurance. And we went
> back and forth on why I paid for insurance, principle, as I think he
> has a scam going on and why he did not list the pipes as repro. I
> never got any answers from this man.
>
> I know the above is repeated information, as he got the car back
> Friday, as I had a signature confirmation. He was not going to refund
> my money, unless I sent the other car back, which had nothing to do
> with this car, separate transaction.
>
> I emailed him Friday when he got the car back and I never heard from
> him, as I emailed him again on Saturday.
>
> He has a AF Christmas Tree car for sale, with original trees he says,
> original to what, as one tree is a "foot" taller. No, just a inch.
>
> I was able to get a volunteer to email him Monday about why the tree
> was taller. This kind volunteer got a bum answer. "Check reference
> books" as he got a quick answer, as I thought MAYBE he does not work
> on weekends and holidays, right.
>
> I email him this morning, asking why he email this person back, but
> not me? I also told him that I was going to start filing claims
> against him with Pay Pal and Ebay, if I do not get the refund today.
>
> Well, I got the refund and the following message.
>
> Oh he threaten me with negative feedback last week.
>
> Why, and why was I harassing him, all I did was ask him why the repro
> pipes and why no insurance on the package, as his replies where the
> usual nasty, NO REFUNDS INSURANCE and YOU ARE BLOCK FROM FURTHER
> BIDDING. He likes to scream as you can see.
>
> Oh, he did throw his weight around with me that he is great and
> wonderful with ebay and pay pal, as he has sold over a 100,000 items.
> Oh, so why when I search M&W Auctions in Cynthiana, KY he added U-Haul
> rentals to his business. Yep, train business very very very good for
> this guy.
>
> BEWARE!
>
> See below.
>
> Mike
>
> M & W INTERNET AUCTIONS ON MAIN (M91@...) has issued you a
> full or partial refund for your payment. See Refund Details below for
> more information.
>
> Please do not reply to this email. Email sent to this address cannot
> be answered.
>
> Message From Seller:
> PARTIAL REFUND FOR INCOMPLETE RETRUNED ORDER. BY ACCEPTING REFUND
> BIDDER AGREES TO NO FURTHER CONTACT BY HIMSELF OR FELLOW PARTNERS IN
> CONTINUED HARASSMENT VIA EMAIL. BIDDER HAS BEEN BLOCKED FROM BIDDING
> OR EMAILING US.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42823 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: Ebay refund
Phil,

Good ideas, as he does have a retail store, as he does also rent U Hauls, I found out, when I googled his name.

I know that his statement is completely silly and not illegal. That is how irrational this guy is.

The funny thing is, I got my refund, posted to my account before I read the statement, as you would think, I would have to acknowledge this first to him. I am sure that this is all done by computer and no one at Pay Pal saw this. It fell through the cracks.

Again, just his bully tactics, as he threaten me with negative feedback, if I emailed him again last Thursday. So? What do I care, as my money is paid very fast to sellers and I can blow away any back feedback to a new seller. Doesn't mean a thing. Someone does not want to sell to me, because of that, possible bad feedback, their lost. I asked him, on what grounds would he post negative feedback. No answer, again.

He also said he had a "personal" contact at Pay Pal and that he threaten to act like he lost my package, so no refund. I have that in writing, about him losing the package or something very close like that, that will delay the refund. He did write he would delay the refund while I try to prove he got the package!

What a wacko.

I hope all of you email him about the trees on that car. Flood him with questions. He would go bonkers, as maybe a legistic person will write and he will tell him off, thinking he was set up! LOL

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil K
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:04 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Fw: Ebay refund


What does the Better Business Bureau have to day about this seller?
Or the Office of the Attorney General in his state?

From the following, it seems like the guy has been in
this "displeased customer situation" before.

BTW, his agreement attached to you accepting your refund is illegal.
You do not surrender any of your rights in order to get a refund for
a product that was not as advertised.

Phil K

>
> M & W INTERNET AUCTIONS ON MAIN (M91@...) has issued you a full or
partial refund for your payment. See Refund Details below for more
information.
>
> Please do not reply to this email. Email sent to this address
cannot be answered.
>
> Message From Seller:
> PARTIAL REFUND FOR INCOMPLETE RETRUNED ORDER. BY ACCEPTING REFUND
BIDDER AGREES TO NO FURTHER CONTACT BY HIMSELF OR FELLOW PARTNERS IN
CONTINUED HARASSMENT VIA EMAIL. BIDDER HAS BEEN BLOCKED FROM BIDDING
OR EMAILING US.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 42824 From: jaay_st Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: New layout
Well, we have our train and are now ready for our first layout. Space is at a premium. Looks
like we'll be able to use two walls in the rec room. The back wall has a 2 ft by 18 ft shelf [over
the knee wall]. Facing that; on the left we'll be able to use a 11 ft by 38 in space [with the
ability to add just enough for a loop]. On the right, just enough for a loop. So, it looks like a
big "L". We have been looking high and low for narrow layout suggestions, pictures,
drawings, and can't find any. We want to do this right and make a good plan before starting
to lay track and do some backdrop painting [the wife's forte]. Has anyone seen any good pics
of narrow layouts? Does anyone have one? We're open to all suggestions.
Jay
Group: S-Trains Message: 42825 From: keefer1 Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Why is it some ebay bidders are....
Carpyfishburn, a very reliable ebay seller , had to
use the private function to protect his bidders from
an ebay stalker. Apparently the guy had a grudge with
Carpy and would contact all the bidders and try to
scare them off. Keith
--- uvl97222 <uvl97222@...> wrote:

> Can any one tell me why an Ebay bidder would be
> able to do this? "private listing - bidders'
> identities protected" Also would my bid be the
> posted the same way if others looked at my
> bid under the same item?
> Could this not be a way to jack the bid up with the
> use of a friend.. I have never run in to this
> before.
>
> Clayton S. D.
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42826 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: Ebay refund
WOW what a saga!!!!! . I thought some on this list was going to talk to the
principal seller? How did that go if it has happened? Tom


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42827 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: Ebay refund
My friend once got a negative feedback from a guy who did not pay. Tom


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42828 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: e-Bay/PayPal shipping charges
Shipping & Handling via Standard Delivery to 403XX
(includes any seller handling fees)$5.65 USDShipping Insurance (not offered):

Whenever I bid on an item, I look first at the shipping cost and factor that in before I bid. For like items, this may be $10.00 different (or more). The above is from a PayPal payment, I think it is standard on those.
So, look before you leap, don't get into it without knowing.

jfred

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42829 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: Ebay refund
Tom,

And you though my problem with the tender was a saga that you gracefully helped me with in emails.

Anyone who emails M&W Auctions on this list from now on about anything listed on ebay, is considerate a "Partner in Crime" with me, so email him at your own risk.

LOL Right.

I think you all should email him about his Christmas Flat and ask why the one tree is taller.

Or, maybe email him about some Lionel product. Give him the slip.

Or email him how much is it to rent a U Haul to haul away the repro parts from him.

Okay, now I am getting cute.

The man is loony.

Mike

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Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Fw: Ebay refund


WOW what a saga!!!!! . I thought some on this list was going to talk to the principal seller? How did that go if it has happened? Tom

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42830 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Why is it some ebay bidders are....
It also stops bidders from talking to one another


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42831 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Christmas Flat Car Trees
In regard to the question of why one tree is taller than the others in
a particular eBay listing, I've seen a couple of photos of Christmas
tree flat cars with original trees and some of the trees are noticably
taller than the others. After all these were just toys so maybe
the "quality control engineer" didn't have a specification for tree
height.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 42832 From: Phil K Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Ebay refund horror story
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tomminil@... wrote:
>
> My friend once got a negative feedback from a guy who did not pay.
Tom <

That's just as bad as the time I got negative feedback -- my only one
in over 900 transactions in seven years -- when a jerk refused to
complete the sale on a Buy-It-Now item, claiming his eBay listings were
hacked -- but refusing to report it to eBay. Then he had the chutzpah
to write on my feedback: "What a pompus, unreasonable nightmare to ever
have to deal with... "

You can read the story in the archives. He is an AF dealer.

I filed a proper complaint with eBay, twice, and they did nothing.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 42833 From: Dan Greenberg Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Wenham train show
Will anyone on the list be at the Wenham, MA show this weekend? I plan
to take my son as, for him, any scale will do, but I was hoping to see
some S and/or meet Doug Peck. :)
Group: S-Trains Message: 42834 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Advertising Set
I also have a " #190 Advertising set " Also on the factory
label is printed SA with a large C around the sa. This set was
purchased from Gambles/Robinson in North Dakota.

Jerry HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 42835 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: e-Bay/PayPal shipping charges
I had no issue with the shipping, as yes, it was about 4 dollars higher than what it should be, but I was happy with the items I won at the price I won. So that was not a problem, as I choose to pay that.

My big issue with this seller, is that he charged me for insurance and both Pay Pal and the US Post Office said, no, he did not paid for shipping. Therefore, even though it was only a dollar I wanted that back as he did not buy the insurance. He never answer my questions about my issues on that, as I think he is scamming many. What would of happen, if it was stolen, as it was left at the door? He did have confirmation on it, but that is not insurance, part of shipping and handling.

I did report this to ebay. I wonder if they will look into this, as I think he is making 100's off of the insurance charges to others.

Mike

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From: JFrederick Roberts
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:20 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: e-Bay/PayPal shipping charges


Shipping & Handling via Standard Delivery to 403XX
(includes any seller handling fees)$5.65 USDShipping Insurance (not offered):

Whenever I bid on an item, I look first at the shipping cost and factor that in before I bid. For like items, this may be $10.00 different (or more). The above is from a PayPal payment, I think it is standard on those.
So, look before you leap, don't get into it without knowing.

jfred

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42836 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Christmas Flat Car Trees
Okay, I will accept that, as that was a better answer that the seller gave to my "secret" potential buyer.

Thanks BG for giving me a reasonable answer, but I would, wait for a car with all the trees being the same height, as I would have to have real hard proof that this was the case, before shelling out allot of money in question.

But so far, BG has provided the only reasonable answer.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bull_Gator_1
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:51 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Christmas Flat Car Trees


In regard to the question of why one tree is taller than the others in
a particular eBay listing, I've seen a couple of photos of Christmas
tree flat cars with original trees and some of the trees are noticably
taller than the others After all these were just toys so maybe
the "quality control engineer" didn't have a specification for tree
height.

BG1





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Group: S-Trains Message: 42837 From: Bill Adams Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: KW Manual
Does anyone have a photo copy of the operating manual for the
Trainmaster Type KW 190 watt transformer?
Group: S-Trains Message: 42838 From: Crpntr12449@aol.com Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Alton Limited and Southern Mikado video
Mr. Kiner,
An excellent video and representation of how far this hobby has come. I am
envious of your ability to make this real. I can only dream of sophisticated
electronics. My ability is limited to changing out old A/F engines and
reverse units with SnS' can motors and reverse units (which are great, by the way).
Again, great video and I will definitely have to upgrade one of my steam
engines to this.


Carlton






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Group: S-Trains Message: 42839 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Pictures of the Alton Limited
What a beautiful Pacific Engine
and heavy weight cars.
Looking forward to more road
names. Is it the same
quality running as the
Mikado?

Glenn
Take a Ride on the Reading!
http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html

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Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:39 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Pictures of the Alton Limited


Click on the link

http://www.mwkiner.com/nycpa/alton.htm





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Group: S-Trains Message: 42840 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: e-bay seller
the best way to insure a good seller is to scroll down and check to
see if they have a return policy, usually 15 days for most of them. If
they don't list a return policy I would stay away from that seller. I
don't use e-bay, but my brother has for N-gauge with no problems. this
may help clean up e-bay . If they don't get any bids then why be on e-
bay, can't make moneythat way. Thanks Alan D. Lambert
Group: S-Trains Message: 42841 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Christmas Flat Car Trees
Chistmas trees do come in different heights. These trees came in sections
that were held together with a metal rod up through the middle of the
sections. Brown plastic branches & base with green flock that stuck to glue that was
applied to the branches. See Item number: 300065784402 on ebay being sold
by John Heck.

Harwood


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42842 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: e-bay seller
To everyone that has had problems:
the best thing to do is to scroll dowm a sellers posting and check
whether or not they have a return policy. If you see one I would think
this seller to be agood one . if I didn't see a return policy then I
would steer clear of them for the obvius reason Will I get a refund
or not. I don't use e-bay but my brother has without any problems.
Thanks Alan D Lambert
Alanlambert2006
Group: S-Trains Message: 42843 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: e-bay seller
This seller had a full refund policy except S&H, of course, but this got ugly as I questioned him on why he charged me for insurance when there was none paid. Also, I asked him why the pipes where reproductions, as that was not mentioned in the description. So, sometimes that does not work.

I guess because he got "caught" on the above, he did not answer, but only got real defensive and nasty.

I will be more than happy to share any emails between him and me, as I have nothing to hide. How about Mr. Wilson.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Alan D. Lambert
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 6:43 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: e-bay seller



the best way to insure a good seller is to scroll down and check to
see if they have a return policy, usually 15 days for most of them. If
they don't list a return policy I would stay away from that seller. I
don't use e-bay, but my brother has for N-gauge with no problems. this
may help clean up e-bay . If they don't get any bids then why be on e-
bay, can't make moneythat way. Thanks Alan D. Lambert




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Group: S-Trains Message: 42844 From: G C Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: New layout
Take a look at the old Atlas HO track plan books. They had a couple of nice switching plans that could be done in S by multiplying the dimensions by 1.5. They can be extended in either direction as well. Narrow shelves are great for switching. You can vary the layout width here an there so things look more realistic. Just make sure the turnout numbers arn't too different from what you will be using. I believe in HO the old Atlas stuff was about a number 41/2 or so.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42845 From: Larry Oberman Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Mikado sound
I too had the chuff quit on my Mikado.I had posted a question about
it last year and Carl Tuveson answered that the cherry switch was
probably the culprit.
Unfortunately the warranty had expired ,so I did nothing about it
until last month.Checking Lionel's parts list, the cherry switch was
listed unavailable.I entered the part number in their search though
and it came up with a price, so I took a chance and ordered a couple.

The part number is 6408036162 and they cost $2.15. The total was
$9.30 for two including shipping.

I used the parts pictorial to figure out where it was located and
changed it in a couple of hours.It is not a job for the faint of
heart and requires good eyesight (or a good magnifier) and steady hands.
The shell has to be removed from the engine,all the circuit boards at
the rear of the engine have to be disconnected and totally removed
and you have to remove the switch bracket and switch.I un soldered
the wires and soldered them to the new switch.The switch is located
above the right rear driver,but all you can see is the screw holding
the bracket when looking from above.

After putting it all back together ,it chuffs like new!!

Thanks Carl


Larry Oberman
Group: S-Trains Message: 42846 From: LARRY MOORE Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: 945 vs 945A
I need to continue my ACG education. To the group, what is the difference
between a 945 work and boom car and a 945A? Thanks in advance to all the
Gilbert experts that can answer this question. Larry

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42847 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Christmas Flat Car Trees
Sadly, since this car is mint and the trees are mint in a bag, they are not show.

If it was me, looking for a car with trees, I would wait to find a car with all the trees the same height, as pictured in all books I have seen and at all train shows.

Not saying that is not true, about the trees being different heights, as I am sure the company who made the trees for Gilbert had different size trees for sale elsewhere but with enough of these things out there, wait and you will have it, as Bob Tufts told me. And you know, he was right.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: HOwingsiii@...
To: bull_gator_1@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Christmas Flat Car Trees


Chistmas trees do come in different heights. These trees came in sections
that were held together with a metal rod up through the middle of the
sections. Brown plastic branches & base with green flock that stuck to glue that was
applied to the branches. See Item number: 300065784402 on ebay being sold
by John Heck.

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42848 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: 945 vs 945A
I don't see a 945A listed in my Greenberg book.
However, there is a 645 and a 645A.

Rick.



I need to continue my ACG education. To the group, what is the difference
between a 945 work and boom car and a 945A? Thanks in advance to all the
Gilbert experts that can answer this question. Larry

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42849 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: 2007 Lionel Catalogue?
Hello,

I was wondering if anyone has heard when the new 2007 Lionel Catalogue
(started to write 1987...) will be coming out? Need to start planning my
acquisition budget which is going to be down considerably for 07 since most
of it will be going for layout building and was wondering what might be
coming down the line for the new year.



Thanks,

Joe Haughney



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Group: S-Trains Message: 42850 From: r_ahrens99 Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: New layout
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jaay_st" <jaay_st@...> wrote:
>SNIP>
> just enough for a loop]. On the right, just enough for a loop. So, it
looks like a
> big "L". We have been looking high and low for narrow layout
suggestions, pictures,
> drawings, and can't find any. We want to do this right and make a
good plan before starting
> to lay track and do some backdrop painting [the wife's forte]. Has
anyone seen any good pics
> of narrow layouts? Does anyone have one? We're open to all
suggestions.
> Jay
>
If you cannot find a narrow plan you like, why not take a variated oval,
(like three times around) and 'unwind' it by splitting it in the middle
and stretching it out along your L? Several of those can be found on
the web.
Group: S-Trains Message: 42851 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: 945 vs 945A
945 was made in 1950 AF red plastic has gray base yellow fences
945A 51-53 Red painted shed, yellow fences gray base
AF Tuscan painted shed yellow fences & gray base
AF Tuscan painted shed yellow or Tuscan fences gray base
AFL Tuscan painted shed & fences metallic blue base
Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42852 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Wenham train show
The Wenham, MA, show is a relatively small well-run show which we used to do years ago. Even though it is only about 1/2 hour away, we do not set up at this show anymore. "S" at this show is unpredictable.......none of the "major" S dealers are there.
The next show we will be at is the "Big E" show in West Springfield, MA, Jan 27-28, and we're in the Young Building, next to the Bristol S-Gaugers layout, and S-Helper Service.

<<<Will anyone on the list be at the Wenham, MA show this weekend? I plan to take my son as, for him, any scale will do, but I was hoping to see some S and/or meet Doug Peck.
>>>


Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
Website: www[dot]portlines[dot]com
E-mail: doug[at]portlines.com
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.
Group: S-Trains Message: 42853 From: LARRY MOORE Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: 945 vs 945A
Rick, I am trying to complete a K5210 set as listed on page 12 of the 1952
catalog. It is the K335 set and it lists in the make-up 945A. I have a 945
but was curious why the A added in the catalog. Is there a difference?
Thanks, Larry


>From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...>
>To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 945 vs 945A
>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 18:03:49 -0800
>
>I don't see a 945A listed in my Greenberg book.
>However, there is a 645 and a 645A.
>
>Rick.
>
>
>
> I need to continue my ACG education. To the group, what is the
>difference
> between a 945 work and boom car and a 945A? Thanks in advance to all the
> Gilbert experts that can answer this question. Larry
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 42854 From: Jim Marski Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Happy New Year and TCA National Convention
Happy New Year to all -



I don't post a lot, but know a number of you from York. I'd like to offer a personal invitation to attend the 2007 TCA National Convention is Denver this Summer- June 23 thru July 1.

I will be having an open house during the convention with our layout and collection on display, including our 2 factory dealer layouts. We also have a large collection of 1:1 scale Jeep vehicles to see, as well as various RR memorabilia.

Convention info is online at- http://www.rmdtoytrains.org/tcamembers/2007Convention/2007_convention.htm

Hope to see you in the Mile High City

Jim Marski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42855 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Christmas Tree Flat Car - Greenberg Photos
Check out the photos:

Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Volume 1, Fourth Edition,
Page 136: 3 trees are tall and one is short.

Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Volume 1, Fifth Edition,
Page 156: all trees are in plastic wrap so you can't tell any height
differences.

Both Greenberg and the TM Price Guide list two types of trees: (1)
fiber material on metal wire and (2) rubber type tree.

I have a ton of S Gaugian magazines and might look through those
sometime to see if I can locate any additional photos or information.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 42856 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: 945 vs 945A
Those should be 645's in the early 50's. :^)

The 945 came out in '52-'57, knuckle coupler.

Rick.



945 was made in 1950 AF red plastic has gray base yellow fences
945A 51-53 Red painted shed, yellow fences gray base
AF Tuscan painted shed yellow fences & gray base
AF Tuscan painted shed yellow or Tuscan fences gray base
AFL Tuscan painted shed & fences metallic blue base
Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42857 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: 945 vs 945A
Larry,
I'm not sure. The Greenberg book does have a few boo-boo's
in it. Could be a mistake on Greenberg's part, or the AF catalog.
Someone will chime in with more knowledge.
Another email just came in as I was about to type, I think you have your
945's and 645's mixed up, and so does Mike!! :^)

Rick.



Rick, I am trying to complete a K5210 set as listed on page 12 of the 1952
catalog. It is the K335 set and it lists in the make-up 945A. I have a 945
but was curious why the A added in the catalog. Is there a difference?
Thanks, Larry


>From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...>
>To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 945 vs 945A
>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 18:03:49 -0800
>
>I don't see a 945A listed in my Greenberg book.
>However, there is a 645 and a 645A.
>
>Rick.
>
>
>
> I need to continue my ACG education. To the group, what is the
>difference
> between a 945 work and boom car and a 945A? Thanks in advance to all the
> Gilbert experts that can answer this question. Larry
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 42858 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: 945 vs 945A
Greenberg states (photo captions) that the 645 DIDN'T have a toolbox.
However, in their descriptions, they say it did.
The 645A comes with a toolbox.

Rick "My head hurts" Evans.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42859 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 1/3/2007
Subject: Re: Why is it some ebay bidders are....
Prifvate bidding also stops the phoney second chance offer. AND You can build a great mailing list of high bidders just copy and paste. When I sold surplus equiptment for a utility I routinely went to equipt auctions and collected buyers business cards. Then sent them direct mail Increased return five fold and got promoted. Tom



-----Original Message-----
From: keefer1_us@...
To: uvl97222@...; s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Why is it some ebay bidders are....


Carpyfishburn, a very reliable ebay seller , had to
use the private function to protect his bidders from
an ebay stalker. Apparently the guy had a grudge with
Carpy and would contact all the bidders and try to
scare them off. Keith
--- uvl97222 <uvl97222@...> wrote:

> Can any one tell me why an Ebay bidder would be
> able to do this? "private listing - bidders'
> identities protected" Also would my bid be the
> posted the same way if others looked at my
> bid under the same item?
> Could this not be a way to jack the bid up with the
> use of a friend.. I have never run in to this
> before.
>
> Clayton S. D.
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42860 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 1/4/2007
Subject: Calling John McKenzie
John,

If you're on this list - please contact me off list.

I apologize for cross post.

Don Munsey, Jr.
dmunseyjr@...
Sn42 and Hn42 river logging fan
Virginian Rwy fan
Bonsai grasshopper
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Group: S-Trains Message: 42861 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/4/2007
Subject: Re: Christmas Tree Flat Car - Greenberg Photos
I accept the fact that the trees can be of different height, as ebay item from Rick Dunn, 110072162273, has the Nighthawk set on ebay with pictures of all the cars. Not only is one tree shorter, but they are in different colors.

I trust Rick Dunn's items, as he is selling these things from a deceased TCA member, I believe.

But still, Mr. Wilson gave my secret emailer a pretty lame answer to the question.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42862 From: Bret Date: 1/4/2007
Subject: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
HI everyone and thank you in advance for reading this post. I am
getting started in buying and selling Gilbert trains. I use the
greenburgs guide and the TM books price and rarity guide for grading
purposes. I have have done fairly well on my grading (I have known to
be wrong though)thus far but allways learning.
I have run into a snag i have a 303 that would grade VG+ has no
rust but has a bit of nicks, clean and clear numbers and lettering but
is missing a step on cow catcher would this still grade VG+ minus the
step. non of the books I have seen specify missing step except when
stating fair condition and this engine is well above fair condition.

I am gessing the only way I would get VG or VG+ is if the engine
was rated at least and EX or EX+ before the step broke.

any help would be greatly appreciated
thank you
Bret
Group: S-Trains Message: 42863 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 1/4/2007
Subject: Re: Christmas Flat Car Trees
Granted, Bob Tuffs was a tremendous asset to American Flyer collectors, but
Bob was not always correct. I have owned & sold at least a dozen different
Christmas tree flatcars with original trees over the years. Some did come
with different height trees. Tru-Scale was the manufacturer of these trees,
they were toys. Bob also said "never say never that Gilbert never made
something." He was always finding variations that most people would overlook.

I think that the more trains that you handle, go through, sell, buy, etc.,
over years gives one a broader view what Gilbert did produce and why. Bob & I
would spend countless hours discussing variations, going back and forth, not
always agreeing at first.

Harwood


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42864 From: keefer1 Date: 1/4/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
I asked this question on chat the other night but
never got an answer. Where did the plus and minus
grading system come from? Is it part of the TCA
standards? Keith
--- Bret <jadenralph@...> wrote:

> HI everyone and thank you in advance for reading
> this post. I am
> getting started in buying and selling Gilbert
> trains. I use the
> greenburgs guide and the TM books price and rarity
> guide for grading
> purposes. I have have done fairly well on my
> grading (I have known to
> be wrong though)thus far but allways learning.
> I have run into a snag i have a 303 that would
> grade VG+ has no
> rust but has a bit of nicks, clean and clear numbers
> and lettering but
> is missing a step on cow catcher would this still
> grade VG+ minus the
> step. non of the books I have seen specify missing
> step except when
> stating fair condition and this engine is well above
> fair condition.
>
> I am gessing the only way I would get VG or VG+
> is if the engine
> was rated at least and EX or EX+ before the step
> broke.
>
> any help would be greatly appreciated
> thank you
> Bret
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42865 From: trainnut2us Date: 1/4/2007
Subject: action cars
Has any one converted Flyonel action cars to Kadee couplers? If so how
was it done.
Jim Siverling
Group: S-Trains Message: 42866 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/4/2007
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] RE: Christmas Tree Flat Car - Greenberg Photos
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Bull_Gator_1
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Christmas Tree Flat Car - Greenberg Photos


I accept the fact that the trees can be of different height, as ebay item from Rick Dunn, 110072162273, has the Nighthawk set on ebay with pictures of all the cars. Not only is one tree shorter, but they are in different colors.

I trust Rick Dunn's items, as he is selling these things from a deceased TCA member, I believe.

But still, Mr. Wilson gave my secret emailer a pretty lame answer to the question.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42867 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/4/2007
Subject: Re: action cars
Jim, and all,

I would like to know as well if anyone has come with a good solution to this
situation.
The real answer of course, might be if Lionel would make their stuff Kadee
compatible in the first place.

Have to say that as far as changing out couplers goes, I find the S Helper
equipment to be the easiest and best-engineered. It is a real snap, and
usually requires very little or no shimming to get the correct coupler
height.

Roy Inman

From: trainnut2us <trainnut2us@...>
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 23:43:00 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] action cars


Has any one converted Flyonel action cars to Kadee couplers? If so how
was it done.
Jim Siverling




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Group: S-Trains Message: 42868 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/4/2007
Subject: Flyonel NYC Alco PA
For those who may be insterested in TMCC conversion and ERR sound
commander read on...

I posted a question to the list looking for a speaker to replace the
one I blew in my NYC Dummy A unit.

Well I got a 36mm speaker from DigiKey, and the rest can be seen at
the link below:

http://www.mwkiner.com/nycpa/NYCsound.htm

For those of you who have windows media play be sure to look for the
video at the bottom of the web page linked above.

MK
Group: S-Trains Message: 42869 From: David Dewey Date: 1/4/2007
Subject: Lionel 2007 catalog 1
Joseph asked about the next L catalog. I recently asked the same question
over on the TCA group. I was told to expect the catalog early in February,
AND the AF section is reportedly 12 (TWELVE!) pages.
Rats, I spent way over my budget on last year's stuff!
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 42870 From: charlie and edith Date: 1/4/2007
Subject: Airbrushing Question
Greetings! Did some airbrushing tonight, using a combination of Glosscote/Dullcote, to cover dry transfers. When I released the "triger" on the airbrush I would get spatters. I tried various mixtures of thinner and psi settings but .... Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated! Thanks and best wishes, Charlie

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42871 From: Chris Date: 1/4/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
Basically, a broken step will cost a full grade, so an EXC drops to a
VG. I think a broken step on a G won't take it down any further, but
this is the kind of grey area that many sellers of trains try to cover
with plus and minus signs. If you had the engine up on e-Bay, what
looks better, VG+ or EXC-? It's all hyperbole really, to spin what is
covered in the TCA rating system already. Nobody wants to take the
full hit for damage to an otherwise great looking piece.

TCA has no +'s or -'s in its grades. Still, someone who wants to call
a really nice piece "Mint" but can't because it has been handled, will
still push it as EXC++, and we all know what he means . . . at least
we hope we do.

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 42872 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine (& SHAMELESS A
Now look at mine # 120069306799 I know, its a way to promote my own item. I
too teetered on the E E+ & "close to LN". Sometimes I think we grade with
our "EYES" & not others & get excited about having a nice set to sell. The
pictures in 75% of E-Bays listings are too dark to make anything out. Then
about 15% are enhanced to a different level(not grade) 10% are really good
pictures.
When you come down to it its a "CRAP SHOOT" Mike
PS: Bid on my item


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42873 From: Chris Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
Mike sez:
>Look at the drum head. Look at some of the #"s in the windows & see
what looks like discoloration. Overall the set is nice But the drum
head which he does show would bring down the grade of that car to at
least good.<

It's not the drumhead so much as the vertical seam and the bad glue
job. This is a common enough problem in these obs. cars which usually
results in the loss of the drumhead. When you replace it with a
repro, it's not original anymore. I think that glue could be
successfully removed. No way that EXC. car drops to a GOOD. VG at
worst, but even then, I like giving it an EXC- !

This whole set is very crisp. I see a couple of minor scratches. I
don't see the cloudiness or discoloration in the windows except maybe
in one coach, a little. Overall, this set is a strong EXC.

Regards,
Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 42874 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
Chris & all,
Check E-Bay Item # 5985688990 Grades it as E+++ - LN
Look at the drum head. Look at some of the #"s in the windows & see what
looks like discoloration. Overall the set is nice But the drum head which he
does show would bring down the grade of that car to at least good.
I'm not knocking his set over the one I have listed, just the difference in
grading & spelling. Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42875 From: Mark Preman Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale - Your EBAY Alternative
Happy New Year gang! The new list is posted at http://www.americanflyertrains.com

I know y'all love to play at (and complain about) ebay but one of our brothers mentioned on this list that ebay is the only place to find used flyer - now that hurt! Constantly changing available inventory, reasonable prices, money back no hassle guaranty, (and he's good lookin' too!) AND.... I'm your S-Trains sponsor!
Mark


Mark B. Preman
AmericanFlyerTrains.com
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Group: S-Trains Message: 42876 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Airbrushing Question
Hi Charlie,



It sounds like you are on the right track. Whenever I have had spatters in
the air brush work it was due to the mixture being too thick. That can
happen when there is too little added thinner (duh!), when the paint
sediment is too lumpy due to inadequate mixing or when the paint is so old
it will not un-clump with any amount of mixing.



Dull finishes work by including finely-ground silica in the varnish.
Thorough mixing is essential and the mixture must be kept mixed. Those
little grains of sand cling together like Cheerios in a bowl of milk.



Bottom line: add more thinner and mix three times as long as you did before.



Good Luck,

Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of charlie and edith
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:54 PM
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Airbrushing Question



Greetings! Did some airbrushing tonight, using a combination of
Glosscote/Dullcote, to cover dry transfers. When I released the "triger" on
the airbrush I would get spatters. I tried various mixtures of thinner and
psi settings but .... Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated! Thanks and
best wishes, Charlie

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42877 From: Chris Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
Mike,
Your set may be better, but it's hard to tell with those pictures.
One of the things I learned about selling on e-Bay is to post big,
clear pictures. That other guy's images are so clear and sharp, you
can see everything, so a buyer can evaluate the negatives and decide
if they are acceptable to him. In your auction, only the words tell
us about the quality, the pictures are too small to really see and the
observation end shot is out of focus.

I believe you have a greater chance of getting your price if you redo
the pictures in the style of that other auction. At least then,
buyers can compare the sets on a level playing field.

Chris Z.
Group: S-Trains Message: 42878 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel NYC Alco PA
Nice Work!

Good video and Sharp Pictures.



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of acgilbertflyer
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:56 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel NYC Alco PA



For those who may be insterested in TMCC conversion and ERR sound
commander read on...

I posted a question to the list looking for a speaker to replace the
one I blew in my NYC Dummy A unit.

Well I got a 36mm speaker from DigiKey, and the rest can be seen at
the link below:

http://www.mwkiner <http://www.mwkiner.com/nycpa/NYCsound.htm>
com/nycpa/NYCsound.htm

For those of you who have windows media play be sure to look for the
video at the bottom of the web page linked above.

MK





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Group: S-Trains Message: 42879 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
Chris..... While I agree with you..... I feel a LN to Brand new car would still grade LN to Brand New but WITH A BROKEN STEP..... It could have come from the factory like that..... I have recently gotten 2 sets...... a 21130 set from one source and a 303 set from an old hobby shop.... both have the 911 and 24103 C & O gons in the original boxes..... BOTH MISSING WIRES..... No breaks.... Truly LN.... I call them LN - Missing wires? Bob
PS anybody else have really nice 911's in their collection that came without wires????
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine


Basically, a broken step will cost a full grade, so an EXC drops to a
VG. I think a broken step on a G won't take it down any further, but
this is the kind of grey area that many sellers of trains try to cover
with plus and minus signs. If you had the engine up on e-Bay, what
looks better, VG+ or EXC-? It's all hyperbole really, to spin what is
covered in the TCA rating system already. Nobody wants to take the
full hit for damage to an otherwise great looking piece.

TCA has no +'s or -'s in its grades. Still, someone who wants to call
a really nice piece "Mint" but can't because it has been handled, will
still push it as EXC++, and we all know what he means . . . at least
we hope we do.

Chris Zizzo





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Group: S-Trains Message: 42880 From: Jerry Poniatowski Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Airbrushing Question
Hi Charlie,

Whant brand od airbrush are you using? I have a Pasche external mix
and it seems great for my needs. Make sure the consistancy of the mix
is just a bit thinner than Floquil out of the bottle. An air pressure
of 10 lbs is usually OK, but sometimes a bit higher is called for.
Also be sure your gun is CLEAN. Disassemble it and soak all
components in lacquer thinner and try again. Good luck.

Jerry Poniatowski
Wayne, MI

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "charlie and edith"
<charlieandedith@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings! Did some airbrushing tonight, using a combination of
Glosscote/Dullcote, to cover dry transfers. When I released the
"triger" on the airbrush I would get spatters. I tried various
mixtures of thinner and psi settings but .... Any thoughts would be
greatly appreciated! Thanks and best wishes, Charlie
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 42881 From: Chris Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
Bob C. sez:
>I feel a LN to Brand new car would still grade LN to Brand New but
WITH A BROKEN STEP. It could have come from the factory like that. I
have recently gotten 2 sets ... both have the 911 and 24103 C&O gons
in the original boxes, BOTH MISSING WIRES, No breaks, Truly
LN.... I call them LN.<

The TCA sez:
C-8 Like New - Complete all original, no rust, no missing parts, may
show effects of being on display and/or age, may have been run.
C-7 Excellent - all original minute scratches and paint nicks, no
rust and no missing parts. No distortion of component parts.
C-6 Very Good - Minor scratches and paint nicks, minor spots of
surface rust, free of dents. May have minor parts replaced.

I sez:
To grade as LN or EXC, no parts may be missing. If parts are
missing or replaced with repros, VG is the top category available.

On the other hand, factory original MINT could be missing parts if
it were shipped without certain add-ons. The box would have to be
sealed and the pieces truly mint in all other ways and then they
could be considered a factory error or a variation. Once a piece
has been out and handled, it is no longer possible to verify if
missing parts were a factory error or the result of careless
handling. Thus, VG is the top category. Only exception here would
be an item known to have mostly been produced sans the part in
question, with the presence of the part being the exception. In
that case, the missing bits would be ignored, and the piece would be
graded as if complete. Examples presenting with the errant part in
place would be deemed the variation and might command a premium.

At least, that's my logic.

Chris Zizzzo (extra z at no extra price)
Group: S-Trains Message: 42882 From: Russ Dondero Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: New B unit rail sounds
I'm considering buying the non-powered Flyonel UP "B"
unit with railsounds...

How would you rate that system? My only comparison in
diesel units are my AM diesels with sound.

Russ

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42883 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
Chris..... again I see your point...... But say I open a brand new car or item, access, etc. from a sealed box and it has a small spot of rust on it..... Yours and TCA's would grade it VG...... When the truth is it is BRAND NEW with a SMALL SPOT OF RUST.... Or from another point I will buy your 1000 dollar NEW cars for half price with a small spot of rust on the frame..... BOB..... CU@YORK
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine


Bob C. sez:
>I feel a LN to Brand new car would still grade LN to Brand New but
WITH A BROKEN STEP. It could have come from the factory like that. I
have recently gotten 2 sets ... both have the 911 and 24103 C&O gons
in the original boxes, BOTH MISSING WIRES, No breaks, Truly
LN.... I call them LN.<

The TCA sez:
C-8 Like New - Complete all original, no rust, no missing parts, may
show effects of being on display and/or age, may have been run.
C-7 Excellent - all original minute scratches and paint nicks, no
rust and no missing parts. No distortion of component parts.
C-6 Very Good - Minor scratches and paint nicks, minor spots of
surface rust, free of dents. May have minor parts replaced.

I sez:
To grade as LN or EXC, no parts may be missing. If parts are
missing or replaced with repros, VG is the top category available.

On the other hand, factory original MINT could be missing parts if
it were shipped without certain add-ons. The box would have to be
sealed and the pieces truly mint in all other ways and then they
could be considered a factory error or a variation. Once a piece
has been out and handled, it is no longer possible to verify if
missing parts were a factory error or the result of careless
handling. Thus, VG is the top category. Only exception here would
be an item known to have mostly been produced sans the part in
question, with the presence of the part being the exception. In
that case, the missing bits would be ignored, and the piece would be
graded as if complete. Examples presenting with the errant part in
place would be deemed the variation and might command a premium.

At least, that's my logic.

Chris Zizzzo (extra z at no extra price)





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Group: S-Trains Message: 42884 From: Chris Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
Bob C. sez:
>(Let's)say I open a brand new car or item, access., etc. from a
sealed box and it has a small spot of rust on it..... Yours and TCA's
would grade it VG...... When the truth is it is BRAND NEW with a SMALL
SPOT OF RUST.... Or from another point I will buy your 1000 dollar NEW
cars for half price with a small spot of rust on the frame.<

Why stop there, Bob? Take it all the way. Let's say you buy a MINT
IN BOX sealed train set that no one has seen since it was packed by a
nice lady in New Haven in 1952. What a dream find. You break the
seal and find moisture and the acid in the wrapping has eaten away the
paint, rusted the chasses and seized the motor bearings. It's a mess.
Is it MIB or JIB (Junk In Box)?

The rating system says there is NO rust on MINT or LN or EXC. None.
Junk is junk. VG is VG. It doesn't matter if it happened from man's
actions or those of the elements of the universe. If an asteroid
falls on a new car that's still on the showroom floor, it's junk, just
like that. Or, if it gets creamed along one side while the dealer was
moving another car past it, and it has to be repaired. Oh, they'll
sell it as new, but there may be some Bondo involved, and that's
really NOT new.

If you are comfortable accepting items with limited rust, as long as
they were otherwise MIB, that's a choice you can live with. But if
you go to sell it at York, you may find buyers will not pay Mint
prices. That's why they're called standards, because we all accept
them and regulate our actions by them.

Remember, the only thing you can trust to be mint is a Peppermint
Patty.

Chris Zizzo

PS: Where do I find those one thousand dollar new cars you mentioned?
CZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 42885 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Pine Canyon News Advert
Happy New Year!

After much brain storming with our S-scale friends, we have changed
our list of new projects to better meet their demand for the year
2007. Back alleys 3, 4 and 5 are now on the workbench. We have posted
update photos and dimensions for the cold storage building, to help in
planning for space on your layout. This new series will give you a
purpose for all those great reefers. Once complete, the complex will
serve ice, produce, meats and anything you want to transport by reefer.
Working hard to meet your needs, Keith Blanchard
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Group: S-Trains Message: 42886 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Threads
Howdy Folks,



I have a nearly, on-topic question. What are the threads for a Lionel #90
push button? I say nearly, because it is after all, Lionel. However, this
button is the best-looking accessory activator I have seen. I recently
acquired one that is missing the knurled nuts. All I have is a pair of screw
posts seeking a nut with the correct threads. The post seems to be about a
number 3 or 4 thickness. The number of threads per inch does not match any
of my samples. Since I plan to use it to operate some of my Flyer
accessories, I need a little help and this group seems like the right one to
ask.



Happy New Year,

Bill



Bill Porter

Loxahatchee, Florida





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Group: S-Trains Message: 42887 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
Chris..... We can go to extremes I guess but I still see nothing wrong with a LN item, thats truly LN, being listed as LN with a ???? ...... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine


Bob C. sez:
>(Let's)say I open a brand new car or item, access., etc. from a
sealed box and it has a small spot of rust on it..... Yours and TCA's
would grade it VG...... When the truth is it is BRAND NEW with a SMALL
SPOT OF RUST.... Or from another point I will buy your 1000 dollar NEW
cars for half price with a small spot of rust on the frame.<

Why stop there, Bob? Take it all the way. Let's say you buy a MINT
IN BOX sealed train set that no one has seen since it was packed by a
nice lady in New Haven in 1952. What a dream find. You break the
seal and find moisture and the acid in the wrapping has eaten away the
paint, rusted the chasses and seized the motor bearings. It's a mess.
Is it MIB or JIB (Junk In Box)?

The rating system says there is NO rust on MINT or LN or EXC. None.
Junk is junk. VG is VG. It doesn't matter if it happened from man's
actions or those of the elements of the universe. If an asteroid
falls on a new car that's still on the showroom floor, it's junk, just
like that. Or, if it gets creamed along one side while the dealer was
moving another car past it, and it has to be repaired. Oh, they'll
sell it as new, but there may be some Bondo involved, and that's
really NOT new.

If you are comfortable accepting items with limited rust, as long as
they were otherwise MIB, that's a choice you can live with. But if
you go to sell it at York, you may find buyers will not pay Mint
prices. That's why they're called standards, because we all accept
them and regulate our actions by them.

Remember, the only thing you can trust to be mint is a Peppermint
Patty.

Chris Zizzo

PS: Where do I find those one thousand dollar new cars you mentioned?
CZ





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Group: S-Trains Message: 42888 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
This set is way over graded. Nicks and high spot rubs on cars and engine,
Repro horns on engine. But the pictures are really good. I would grade it VG+
over all.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42889 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Grading
I have never bothered much with grading - it seems to mean nothing
on eBay whether they are TCA members or not in some cases. Here are
my thoughts -
Mint - In the box or sealed wrapper and never opened - it cannot be
mint if it has been handled or has deteriorated in any significant
way (ie rust - broken parts due to poor packing, shipping)-if
removed temprarily from a sealed box for inspection it should not
have been handled with bear hands.
Like New - absolutely no damage, scratches or dirt.
Excellent - A little dirt, minute hairline scratches.
Very good - Obviously has been used but no damage apart from some
wear to moving parts and design/manufacture faults such as minor
stress cracks around screws in models renowned for that.
Good -Some heavier playwear, or some light surface rust - may have
minor play faults such as the notorious missing front step on
plastic atlantics or tender steps on others(though if the other
condition would otherwise be excellent then perhaps very good).
Then the two that should appear frequently but never do
Fair - may have mechanical parts missing such as valve gear, motors
not working but otherwise as good.
Poor - Well worn cosmetics, parts missing, not working. - I see too
many items of this nature defined as "good"
Finally Junker - largely incomplete with major body damage or body
reasonable but mechanicals minimal
Having written all that I can see that perhaps it Is too hard!
Alistair
Group: S-Trains Message: 42890 From: Al Baker Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
So why isn't it ok to say an item is a certain grade with exceptions?
For example one might be to say an item is Excellent, except for a
broken step, or that it has a repro horn, or whatever. I may be
interested in purchasing that item and for my purposes, I don't care
about that broken step or repro horn, as long as the rest of it is
good. The important point is that we be as honest as possible in the
descriptions.

Al Baker
Portland
Group: S-Trains Message: 42891 From: mrself58 Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Sizes
My AF train set shows it as a 3/16 scale model, which I assume was true
for all S gauge trains. I now see where everyone is calling it 1/64
scale. Which is it??
Group: S-Trains Message: 42892 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
OK, if I list an item as E Or Mint in The box, except for the tire marks
from the UPS truck, it should be Ok as far as I let them (Buyers) know about the
defect?
This is written with my type of humor, Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42893 From: John Ruckle Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Smoke in Tender Units
Hello everyone. I am a new member as of today. My first train was an
AF set back in 1956. The complete set cost $9.95 according to my
mother. I need some advice concerning a couple of recently purchased
AF tenders with the smoke units aboard. I did first check the FAQ but
did not find any help for my particular question. Anyway, neither unit
seems to produce much smoke. They are both the bellows type and I was
wondering if it would be worthwhile to convert one or both to the
cylinder/piston type. Would that help to significantly increase smoke
production? Or, should I just rebuild the units as is? Thanks, John
Ruckle
Group: S-Trains Message: 42894 From: Donald Thompson Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Sizes
A 64' freight car in "S" would be 1" long (1:64). Likewise, 3/16" scale
would be the same 64' X 3/16" = 12" or one foot. They are the same.
Best regards,
Don

mrself58 wrote:

> My AF train set shows it as a 3/16 scale model, which I assume was true
> for all S gauge trains. I now see where everyone is calling it 1/64
> scale. Which is it??
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 42895 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
In a message dated 1/5/2007 8:09:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
anormal1@... writes:

tire marks from the UPS truck,

Mike,
Be GLAD Don't Hurry Louie (DHL) wasn't involved. They have tried
(unsuccessfully so far) to justify shipping a package in only EIGHT days when two
days is their norm, while UPS does it overnight. The shipper has billed me and
been paid (unavoidable), they ain't outta the woods yet either.

Jim "livin' on the Keystone Main" Lyle



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Group: S-Trains Message: 42896 From: Jerry Poniatowski Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Sizes
The answer is: BOTH. 3/16 refers to 3/16 of an inch equals one foot
in real life, while 1/64 refers to 1/64 of an inch equals one inch in
real life, or a ratio of 1:64. Do the math, it works out ;>)

Jerry PoniatowSki
Wayne, MI

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrself58" <mrself58@...> wrote:
>
> My AF train set shows it as a 3/16 scale model, which I assume was true
> for all S gauge trains. I now see where everyone is calling it 1/64
> scale. Which is it??
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 42897 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Sizes
The two references are the same thing MR;

Just a different way of describing the size relative to the prototype.

3/16" to the foot just means that a foot on the real thing is represented by
3/16" on the AF stuff.

1/64th means that the AF stuff is 1/64th the size of the real thing, or
prototype.

I personally find it easier to scale up and down using 1/64th. If a building
is 100' long for instance, I just use my handy-dandy Mac calculator. I first
multiple 100 X 12 which gives me the number of inches, 1200. Then I divide
1200 by 64 and that gives me 18.75". I find it easier to work with inches
(or millimeters) than feet when downsizing. Working with feet gives me a
weird number like 1.5625 feet; not easy for this math challenged old goat to
measure from such a figure, I tell you.

My guess is that the reason ACG used 3/16th" to the foot in describing his
trains is that it somehow sounds more precise than 1/64th. But there may
have been some more compelling reason having to do with math, or some other
field about which I know little, or maybe it was tradition, since the
original S stuff was from England, although it wasn't called S over
there....I think....?

Cheers :)
Roy Inman

From: mrself58 <mrself58@...>
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 00:49:16 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Sizes


My AF train set shows it as a 3/16 scale model, which I assume was true
for all S gauge trains. I now see where everyone is calling it 1/64
scale. Which is it??



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Group: S-Trains Message: 42898 From: Chris Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Please need help in grading Gilbert steam engine
Al makes a good point and many sellers do indeed say, "this would
grade as EXC save for the broken horn." If it were submitted to a
judging panel using the rules strictly, they would say it's a VG.

That seems unfair because the horn could so easily be replaced with an
original version, and then it would be an EXC. There are other more
serious factors that would downgrade a piece that could not be so
easily corrected. If paint is rubbed off or decals and stickers are
damaged, there is no original part to use. Any work done would be a
restoration to some extent and that would have to be noted.

So, yeah, it still becomes a somewhat subjective matter for the
buyer. Like price guides, grading has to be used as a tool to weed
out the non-candidates and narrow the field. Eventually, the buyer
has to employ his own standard of acceptance.

Operating EXC and VG trains,
Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 42899 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Don't Hurry Louie
Jim,
You don't seem to be living on the DHL main line. Mike

Mike,

They claimed was my fault because they couldn't tell the difference between
a P O Box and a Street Address, (four line address). At one point they
thought maybe I could give them directions from the nearest WalMart (10 miles
away). The street name they were unable to find was established in the early
1900's. It is also the second busiest hiway in Lancaster County. They did
REFUSE to take any responsibility for the whole affair. The most amusing thing
was the fact that DHL is NOT in the phone directory, guess it keeps complaints
down. I still don't know where they operate from, or even if it is above
ground.

Jim


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42900 From: Chris Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Grading
Alistair wrote:
>it should not have been handled with bear hands.<

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. A bear would just ruin it. Do you see
what they do to salmon???

Really, why go thru all the trouble of creating a new set of standards
when one is in place and available for everyone to use? Besides, your
standards nearly mirrored TCA's exactly. I agree about the "good"
rating, though. To me it should really be good. Good enough to
operate without an overhaul, perhaps.

Regards,
Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 42901 From: Chris Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains
How did I get so chatty all of a sudden?
Happy New Year everyone!

S-Scale trains are 1/64th. of reality. Simplistically, a 64 foot long
boxcar will be 1 foot long in S. 3/16ths. of an inch to the foot
works out to the same measurements, it just approaches it from the
other direction. Every foot of length of that boxcar will be
represented in the S scale model by 3/16ths of an inch in length.
Therefore, if there are 64 units of 3/16" in the boxcar length, 64
times 3/16" = 12" or, 1 foot.

To do it on your computer's calculator, divide 3 by 16 and then
multiply that answer by 64. 3 over 16 = .1875 times 64 = 12.

Chris Zizzo
3/16/64, a date that will live in fractional infamy.
Group: S-Trains Message: 42902 From: r_ahrens99 Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Re: Sizes
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrself58" <mrself58@...> wrote:
>
> My AF train set shows it as a 3/16 scale model, which I assume was
true
> for all S gauge trains. I now see where everyone is calling it 1/64
> scale. Which is it??
>
If you divide 12 (inches) by 64 (1/64 scale) you get 0.1875
which is the decimal equivalent of 3/16 (fraction of an inch)
So then, 3/16 of an inch equals 1 foot in the real world in 1/64
scale. (S Gauge) Both expressions are correct!
Group: S-Trains Message: 42903 From: boblines51 Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Train meets
Can anyone tell me of a site that lists train meets that I can search
for meets in my area. Bob (In Penna.)
Group: S-Trains Message: 42904 From: bandmember5728 Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: Classic Toy Trains Magazine
This probably applies only to members in Australia. I'll happily send
the magazines to the USA but there would be a very hefty postal bill!

I have a more or less complete collection of Kalmbach's Classic Toy
trains from the first issue throught the middle of 2004. I stop
subscribing when it was obvious that there only real interest was the
big "L" and AF was only an after thought. I am willing to sell these
cheaply but only as a lot. I am not going to break up the "collection".

Thanks,
John Harvey
Group: S-Trains Message: 42905 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/5/2007
Subject: 21129 Weirdness Corrected
After finally figuring that the wires to the engine and tender were reverse, I did switch them, as I learned that the metal pins for the plug pull out, therefore the wires from the engine can be switch.

Then I resoldered the tender wires, as I am not a expert on soldering, but I had enough practice today, as I attempted to change the smoke wick.

Being that the tender is plastic, I only manage to burn my middle finger. O:)!

Operation went well, as I sweated that one out, as I thought I would get that tender melted!

The smoke wick went well, as I tested it with the transformer, before putting it back in the engine. Smoked great. Got the engine together. It smoked for a minute, before the wick burnt out!

Oh well, try again, as I got the procedure down.

Something shorted somewhere.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42906 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Re: TO Stumpy
Stumpy you still looking for one of these? Not really SHS, But E-Bay #
330071859958


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42907 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Re: Sizes
----- Original Message -----
From: mrself58
My AF train set shows it as a 3/16 scale model, . . . . . .
> > > > > > >
You've had some good answers already, but here's another way of looking at
it. It used to common to refer to a scale by what unit of length of model
would represent one foot of length on the real object being modelled.

So O scale was ¼ inch to the foot, meaning a real object one foot long would
be represented by an object one quarter inch long on the model railroad.

Likewise OO scale was 4 mm to the foot
HO scale was 3½ mm to the foot
and S scale was 3/16ths of an inch to the foot.

In abbreviated speech it became 3/16ths inch scale, and then some people
would simply say 3/16 scale, which is actually quite wrong.

A simple "ratio and proportion" equation will show you that 3/16 is to 12
(number of inches in a foot) as 1 is to 64.
Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
Group: S-Trains Message: 42908 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: I see a trend here...
Stumpy wrote: "Toy and Hi-rail trains are outselling "model" trains"



I'm with you Stumpy. Have you noticed the scale magazine, Model Railroader,
dropped their cover slogan "Model railroading is fun"? I would read some of
the scale operation articles and come away with.well, this is fun? It
always sounded more like stress to me.

Most of you have probably heard about the news blurb on NBC the week before
Xmas about the toy train comeback. And that is toy, not scale. I believe
what draws a lot of us to this hobby are Xmas memories of the train around
the tree type stuff. Can you imagine some poor kid trying to setup S scale
on the rug around the Xmas tree? Model railroading is fun?

I need to get off the soap box.

Tom Stoltz

Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork
Maine S Gaugers
NASG

http://s-scale.org/albums/v/s-vendors/Stoltz/





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Group: S-Trains Message: 42909 From: John G Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Defender set
I found this very interesting AF Defender set on EBay. A Thrift shop
in Wisconsin is selling it. The amazing thing is that all the items
the shop sells were donated to it! I wonder if the people giving the
set to the thrift shop had any idea what it was worth.

Link:


http://tinyurl.com/yzdocg


John G
Group: S-Trains Message: 42910 From: Jollivier4@cs.com Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: grading
When shopping for trains, I have two grades:
I want it.
I don't want it.

Well, there's one more. I can't afford it. : )

Jacques


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42911 From: Art Shifrin Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: ebay ethics
Hi Gang,

Check out my offer 190069550572
<blocked::http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=19006955057
2> posted this (Saturday) morning @ 11AM.

Best,
Shiffy


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42912 From: ken garber Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Re: Train Meets
On 6 Jan 2007 12:12:57 -0000, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> 4. Train meets
> Posted by: "boblines51" bobville@... boblines51
> Date: Fri Jan 5, 2007 7:37 pm ((PST))
>
> Can anyone tell me of a site that lists train meets that I can search
> for meets in my area. Bob (In Penna.)


I use this as my base for regional events:

http://www.trains.com/trc/community/events/locations.asp


Ken


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42913 From: Edward Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Train meets
The best web I found for train meets is
http://www.trains.com/trc/community/events. On the left side toward
the bottom you can click on your zip or city.
Group: S-Trains Message: 42914 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Re: action cars
Has any one converted Flyonel action cars to Kadee couplers?



Not sure this will help because I have no Flyonel action cars. However, for
Flyer, you can glue a .125" piece of styrene to the underside of the 'floor'
and in turn mount a Kadee #5 to that. Unfortunately, you will have to cut
away the part of the Flyer truck that was used to hold the Flyer coupler in
order to clear the Kadee draft box.

Tom Stoltz

Mains S Gaugers



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Group: S-Trains Message: 42915 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Ever thought about "undec " rolling stock?
Thinking out loud again...and I think I know the answer to this one.
I wonder why there are no undecorated locos or cars availible in S
gauge? Coming from "model" railroading where we do alot of painting
and decaling for freelanced railroads, undec stuff is quite common.
Since coming back to S gauge, I have had to strip, repaint, and
redecal several locos and cars to get what I want. This would be
easier if undec stuff was availible. Decaling a blank car is easy.
Yes, there are undec craftsman kits, S Helper has undec wood reefers,
and American Models has undec coaches. But nothing like HO, N, or
even On30 availibility of course.
But I think the answer to why there is so little undec rolling stock
availible is that there are so few folks who "model" in S gauge. Most
folks buy trains with the roadnames they want when it become availible
or do without if it is never made. The cost of producing undec trains
probably would not be justified by the return.
However, having said this, I wonder if maybe there is a small and
growing group of S gaugers out there who would make use of undec stuff
IF it was availible? Until then I'll just keep doing it the hard way.
Stumpy Stone...disassembling, stripping, repainting...in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 42916 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Re: ebay ethics
I went there, ebay had deleted it.(or some such)

Steve


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42917 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Re: Ever thought about "undec " rolling stock?
----- Original Message -----
From: Stumpy Stone
I wonder why there are no undecorated locos or cars available in S gauge? .
. . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > >
To the best of my knowledge, AM and SHS make everything available undec or
"unlettered." Only Des Plaines Hobbies refuses to make undecorated cars.
And I had IC decals made for DPH's Evans RBL. I haven't sold a lot of them.
Reasoning with Mr Sebastian about just having a few dozen skip the paint and
print process is impossible.

It does frequently happen that AM and SHS undecs sell out before others, but
that's just because they guess the quantities wrong when they order a run of
cars. Can you tell us specifically which cars you'd like to have undec?

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
Group: S-Trains Message: 42918 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Re: Ever thought about "undec " rolling stock?
Well, there are the painted but unlettered engines from SHS and AM. I bought
an undecorated caboose from SHS and a friend painted it in UP colors and
lettering. But you are right, they would all take some repainting at the
least.

I have seen some Sn3 stuff that was just plain brass, ready to paint and
decal.

Roy Inman

From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...>
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 19:08:32 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Ever thought about "undec " rolling stock?


Thinking out loud again...and I think I know the answer to this one.
I wonder why there are no undecorated locos or cars availible in S
gauge? Coming from "model" railroading where we do alot of painting
and decaling for freelanced railroads, undec stuff is quite common.
Since coming back to S gauge, I have had to strip, repaint, and
redecal several locos and cars to get what I want. This would be
easier if undec stuff was availible. Decaling a blank car is easy.
Yes, there are undec craftsman kits, S Helper has undec wood reefers,
and American Models has undec coaches. But nothing like HO, N, or
even On30 availibility of course.
But I think the answer to why there is so little undec rolling stock
availible is that there are so few folks who "model" in S gauge. Most
folks buy trains with the roadnames they want when it become availible
or do without if it is never made. The cost of producing undec trains
probably would not be justified by the return.
However, having said this, I wonder if maybe there is a small and
growing group of S gaugers out there who would make use of undec stuff
IF it was availible? Until then I'll just keep doing it the hard way.
Stumpy Stone...disassembling, stripping, repainting...in Appalachia.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 42919 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Can TMCC???
OK so I am still housebound battling the crud, and have been doing a
lot of messing with trains, both at the repair bench and on the track.

At the link below is a picture of my 21801 which I got as a set with
the 21801-1. This Baldwin runs pretty well, but the last time I took
the shell off I saw that I had just avoided by the narrowest margin
damaging the shell. There is a wire melt mark inside that is not
visible on the outside. I figure if I had operated it for just a
little longer I would have visibly damaged the shell externally,
which at this point doesn't even have the screw crack.

OK so I set out to install the Can motor, TMCC MiniCommander, and a
Sound Commander diesel sound set. I took this picture and got a
little faint hearted. I am wondering if I should put this back on the
shelf or go ahead.

This item will more than likely (according to my wife) be one of
those things at my wife's "estate sale" that will have a 25 cent tag
on it when I am at the big layout in the sky.

Any thoughts?

http://www.mwkiner.com/nycpa/DSC_0928edt.jpg
Group: S-Trains Message: 42920 From: clayton deich Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Re: Defender set
Item # 180070740492 on Ebay.


--- John G <NotColdEnough@...> wrote:

> I found this very interesting AF Defender set on
> EBay. A Thrift shop
> in Wisconsin is selling it. The amazing thing is
> that all the items
> the shop sells were donated to it! I wonder if the
> people giving the
> set to the thrift shop had any idea what it was
> worth.
>
> Link:
>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yzdocg
>
>
> John G
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42921 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: AM SF Northern
Ok while I was taking a pic of the Baldwin, I thought...hmmm.


Haven't seen any Hi-res pics of the American Models Northern.

So click link, 1.4meg jpeg


http://www.mwkiner.com/nycpa/AM_Northern.jpg
Group: S-Trains Message: 42922 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Re: Can TMCC???
I would carefully install the SnS conversion and see how it performs using a
diode to convert the AC to DC just to see the power truck's performance
potential. If you are happy with its gear noise level etc. then go for the
TMCC conversion. If not then keep the Baldwin as is for it's collectable
value since it is such a nice one and get a Lionel Baldwin and convert it.

Carl



-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of acgilbertflyer
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 4:32 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Can TMCC???


OK so I am still housebound battling the crud, and have been doing a
lot of messing with trains, both at the repair bench and on the track.

At the link below is a picture of my 21801 which I got as a set with
the 21801-1. This Baldwin runs pretty well, but the last time I took
the shell off I saw that I had just avoided by the narrowest margin
damaging the shell. There is a wire melt mark inside that is not
visible on the outside. I figure if I had operated it for just a
little longer I would have visibly damaged the shell externally,
which at this point doesn't even have the screw crack.

OK so I set out to install the Can motor, TMCC MiniCommander, and a
Sound Commander diesel sound set. I took this picture and got a
little faint hearted. I am wondering if I should put this back on the
shelf or go ahead.

This item will more than likely (according to my wife) be one of
those things at my wife's "estate sale" that will have a 25 cent tag
on it when I am at the big layout in the sky.

Any thoughts?

http://www.mwkiner.com/nycpa/DSC_0928edt.jpg




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Group: S-Trains Message: 42923 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Re;re;Ever thought about "undec" rolling stock?
As I said, I thought I knew the answer before I asked the question.
The S gauge manufacturers can't anticipate how many undec items to
make because the number of S gaugers who "model" are so few, and we
don't know in advance which cars we're going to need and when! This
is less of a problem in HO as there are so many "modelers" and keeping
undec in stock all the time isn't a great financial handicap.
This observation is not a bad reflection on the manufacturers, it's
just the way things are. I'm quite happy I can get parts like trucks
and couplers and the like for modeling projects and applaud the
manufacturers for that!
Stumpy Stone...thinking again (hazardous) in Appalachia.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 42925 From: Roy Hoffman Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Re: Re;re;Ever thought about "undec" rolling stock?
Maybe it's time for one of those dreaded polls. I for one buy lots of
undecorated items to paint and letter for my freelanced Penn Western.
Surely there are others, but how many?

Roy

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> As I said, I thought I knew the answer before I asked the question.
> The S gauge manufacturers can't anticipate how many undec items to
> make because the number of S gaugers who "model" are so few, and we
> don't know in advance which cars we're going to need and when! This
> is less of a problem in HO as there are so many "modelers" and keeping
> undec in stock all the time isn't a great financial handicap.
> This observation is not a bad reflection on the manufacturers, it's
> just the way things are. I'm quite happy I can get parts like trucks
> and couplers and the like for modeling projects and applaud the
> manufacturers for that!
> Stumpy Stone...thinking again (hazardous) in Appalachia.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 42926 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Re: Re;re;Ever thought about "undec" rolling stock?
LTI at one time had sold them. It must have been from their outlet store. I
had my hot little hands on one for awhile. It was an undecorated boxcar from
LTI in a blue & white box marked undecorated, Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42927 From: Jerry Poniatowski Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: random observation
Gentlemen,

Kind of going along with Stumpy's remarks on undecorated things...I
have just stripped a junk Flyer K5 locomotive for repainting
(Brunswick Green and Tuscan) and was struck by the amount of cast in
detail on the shells. I know, I know, Gilbert is known for his
attention to detail well in excess of the other toy trains of his era.
Even though the casting process of the day left a lot of flaws in the
surface which is not acceptable by today's standards, it still looks
nice. Thank you, A.C.

BTW, I also plan on installing a can motor and electronic reverse
unit, while keeping the old smoke and chuff.

Jerry Poniatowski
Repainting and Salvaging in Wayne, MI
Group: S-Trains Message: 42928 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 1/6/2007
Subject: Re: Can TMCC???
I'd leave that one alone.

Steve
SnS Trains..(maker of the can motor kit)


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42929 From: Eric R. Date: 1/7/2007
Subject: Another list of extra stuff to Sell
1. American Models AC/Hirail Great Northern RS3 diesel engine #229 This
has been test run and displayed. The hand rails were never installed, both
knuckle and scale couplers are in the box. Excellent condition in original
box. $160 shipped insured to USA.



2. SHS 01120 Peabody #4 offset hopper (6813) $30 +6 ship

3. SHS 00983 Anderson #4 panel side hopper (130) $30 +6 ship

4. SHS 00719 Refer Pacific Fruit express orange, UP one side, SP other.
$45 +6 ship

5. SHS 01609 Pacific Fruit express Western Pacific, rare, long sold out,
(52273) $50 +6 ship

6. SHS 01637 Refer IONX3700 Refer Illinois onion set growers exchange.
$35 +6 ship

7. SHS 01512 Merchants Biscuit Refer (3910) $35 + 6 ship

8. Lionel Flyer Union Pacific Dome/Diner Car Sky View # 8941.. $75 + 8
ship

9. SHS 00056 or 7 Great Northern Stock Car 53803 $30 plus 6 ship.

10. SHS 00735 Great Northern Ore Car 89446 $30 +6 ship

11. SHS 01183 Burlington Route C&S USRA Hopper Car everywhere west
(18294) $30 +6 ship



Make an offer, I can combine shipping on anything. Everything is in its
original box. All SHS have both sets of wheels, knuckle couplers, and the
spacers as come new. Everything is either new in the box or like new where
it has been displayed or lightly run.



Money Orders, Cashiers Checks, Paypal works.



Eric Reis

P.O. Box 82126

Kenmore, WA 98026



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Group: S-Trains Message: 42930 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/7/2007
Subject: Re: random observation
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Poniatowski" <poniaj@...>
wrote:
>
> Gentlemen,
>
> Kind of going along with Stumpy's remarks on undecorated things...I
> have just stripped a junk Flyer K5 locomotive for repainting
> (Brunswick Green and Tuscan) and was struck by the amount of cast in
> detail on the shells. I know, I know, Gilbert is known for his
> attention to detail well in excess of the other toy trains of his
era.
> Even though the casting process of the day left a lot of flaws in
the
> surface which is not acceptable by today's standards, it still looks
> nice. Thank you, A.C.
>
> BTW, I also plan on installing a can motor and electronic reverse
> unit, while keeping the old smoke and chuff.
>
> Jerry Poniatowski
> Repainting and Salvaging in Wayne, MI
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 42931 From: john festa Date: 1/7/2007
Subject: 215 water tank
I new to S trains and would appreciate some
information
on the American Flyer 215 Water Tank.

What years was it made and what is the current
Greenberg (or any other pricing guide) price for it in
excellent condition ?

Is there a post war version of the Water Tank and if
so what is it's number and current price based on
Greenberg ?

Thanks,

John Festa

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42932 From: Al Baker Date: 1/7/2007
Subject: Wanted: 22090 Transformer or parts
This is a dual transformer, with two complete electrical transformers
inside the case. What I really need is one of these electrical
transformers for inside the 22090 which I already have.

I will consider buying:
- a 22090 transformer for parts, especially if you can tell me that at
least one of the internal transformers works.
- a complete 22090 transformer for a reasonable price.

Please contact me with a personal email to albaker33@... or
call 503-645-9079

Al Baker
Portland
Group: S-Trains Message: 42933 From: David Dewey Date: 1/7/2007
Subject: Defender Set
I doubt that neither the donor NOR the store had (has) a clue as to the
set's value.
Where are we when these things are being "thrown out"??
Probably down at the river waiting for our ship to come in!
Hmm, speaking of which, 9 weeks left until we board the Delta Queen for 7
days of STEAMBOATIN' ! Oh boy, Oh boy, Hurk!!! It ain't trains, but it's
close!!
Big Wheel keep on turning!
S'
David
PS See ya at chat tonite!
Group: S-Trains Message: 42934 From: clayton deich Date: 1/7/2007
Subject: Re: random observation
Hi Jerry,
the trains were what they call die cast or Die
injected. They can produce thousands of identical
casting of high quality with great dimensional
tolerances. Also using the alloy that they did it was
easy to work with, and hard - strong too. Try bending
it with out breaking it. The alloy was Aluminum & Zinc
for your Info.
How many of us watch from a chair sitting by the
transformer - layout as one of the train hit the
floor as a kid.... I was one, but they very rarely
broke apart. My trains will never do that if I can
help it now that I am older!!!!
I know of some ways to bend this type of Alloy, but
there is a bit of a risk to do so.

Clayton S D


--- acgilbertflyer <robbe_wan@...> wrote:

> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Poniatowski"
> <poniaj@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Gentlemen,
> >
> > Kind of going along with Stumpy's remarks on
> undecorated things...I
> > have just stripped a junk Flyer K5 locomotive for
> repainting
> > (Brunswick Green and Tuscan) and was struck by the
> amount of cast in
> > detail on the shells. I know, I know, Gilbert is
> known for his
> > attention to detail well in excess of the other
> toy trains of his
> era.
> > Even though the casting process of the day left a
> lot of flaws in
> the
> > surface which is not acceptable by today's
> standards, it still looks
> > nice. Thank you, A.C.
> >
> > BTW, I also plan on installing a can motor and
> electronic reverse
> > unit, while keeping the old smoke and chuff.
> >
> > Jerry Poniatowski
> > Repainting and Salvaging in Wayne, MI
> >
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42935 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/7/2007
Subject: Weekly S-Trains Chat Room, 1/7/2007, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Date:   Sunday January 7, 2007
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Group: S-Trains Message: 42936 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/7/2007
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Christmas Flat Car Trees
I think this message did not get posted as my emails to yahoo have been bouncing.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: HOwingsiii@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Christmas Flat Car Trees


Harwood,

I did not mean to mislead anyone that Bob said the trees did not come in different heights.

What I meant by that statement he told me, if you don't like something in AF, the grade, anything about any piece in general, wait, you will find something more appealing to you.

Sorry for the confusion, as I did not mean what Bob told me, was specific about the trees on the flatcar

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: HOwingsiii@...
To: mlmarmer@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Christmas Flat Car Trees


Granted, Bob Tuffs was a tremendous asset to American Flyer collectors, but Bob was not always correct. I have owned & sold at least a dozen different Christmas tree flatcars with original trees over the years. Some did come with different height trees. Tru-Scale was the manufacturer of these trees, they were toys. Bob also said "never say never that Gilbert never made something." He was always finding variations that most people would overlook.

I think that the more trains that you handle, go through, sell, buy, etc., over years gives one a broader view what Gilbert did produce and why. Bob & I would spend countless hours discussing variations, going back and forth, not always agreeing at first.

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42937 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/7/2007
Subject: WHATS IN ?
Ok guys and gals....... heres a couple simple questions.... WHAT GOES IN THE FOLLOWING????

1. Set box 134 ????? need contents info

2. Set box with B1N909 ???? need set # and contents info.

3. Set # 20119..... just aquired one LN out of an old store..... while it looks complete I think, based on the new track in the box, it is missing the CARDBOARD TRESSLE SET.... there is room in the box for a boxed set.... track forms a figure 8 ..... 16c - 6 s.....

Appreciate any info you can send me...... Bob's book has no info on these items.....

Bob


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42938 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/7/2007
Subject: Fw: Ebay Q&A
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: Michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 7:59 PM
Subject: Ebay Q&A


This is a current Q&A question on Ebay about a AF Operating Baggage car.

I hope the person who asked the question has a sense of humor.

Mike Marmer

Q: Hello I hate to bother you again but is the little blue man present...I don't see him pictured and these oftern become loose and are missing. Ernest
Jan-07-07
A: Good Question. I left this out of the Description. Yes the Little Blue Man is inside of the car and he told me to tell you Hi and he's looking for a Good Home.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 42939 From: boblines51 Date: 1/8/2007
Subject: Train meets
Thanks to those who answered my question on a site for train meets. Bob
Group: S-Trains Message: 42940 From: Down & Under AND Over & Across Railway Date: 1/8/2007
Subject: AF Rail and Turnout INFO Wanted
What code of rail is best to use with AF trains? What is the best
turnout # to use on a layout? I will be using handlaid track as I did
in most of my HO scale layout, which is the best to do as to using
handlaid track?

So could someone give me some INFO for I am going to buy the Fast
Track jigs to use in my newly opened custom turnout and crossing
business. For I have been in the hobby for a very long time and I
feel that with my background on model trains as well as model
railroading in both HO & S gauge that I could make some very nice
turnouts/crossing using the Fast Track jigs.

Since I have joined this groups I have learned a lot and since I did
years ago own and had a nice mid size AF layout (12X12) in our family
home that I now own and live in. So here is a new things to take as
to on this group!!!

Yours Truly, Maryann "Arti" Obuch
The Down & Under AND Over Across Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/maobuch/train.html
Group: S-Trains Message: 42941 From: Tim Benner Date: 1/8/2007
Subject: Double Track centers
Hello folks,

I've been out of AF for a while (30 years). Somewhere in that time I lost
my 326 Hudson and 470-473 PA sets. This year a nice 303 set showed up under
the tree and it's great to be back! I can't wait to find another Hudson
andn PA set to run.

I am planning a 21 x 16 around the wall (near ceiling level) layout in our
family room. This will have a double track mainline. I'll be using either
all Gargraves are a combination of AF/Gargraves track. Can anyone give me
advice on minimum track centers on curves?

Many Thanks!

Tim Benner


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42942 From: Mark Preman Date: 1/8/2007
Subject: Train Show in Deland, Florida
In case you will be in our area, there is a decent train show at the Volusia County Fairgrounds on January 20 and 21. The fairgrounds are right off I-4 just South of Daytona Beach.

I will be there with 6 tables full American Flyer goodies. Hope to see you there!
Mark


Mark B. Preman
AmericanFlyerTrains.com
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Group: S-Trains Message: 42943 From: Phil K Date: 1/8/2007
Subject: Re: Double Track centers
Congratulations on your imminent re-entry into The Wonderful World of
S -- and The Wonderful World That A.C. Gilbert built for us to live
in.

Off the top of my head I would say a good rule of thumb is a MINIMUM
of 3-inch centers on straightaways, and 4 inches on curves -- but 5-
inch MINIMUM centers on curves would be even better if you plan to
run any extra-long cars, like modern passenger cars that might
overhang on the inside of the curves. You don't want trains traveling
in different directions hitting each other when meeting on curves. Of
course, what radius curve you choose to employ is the major
determining factor.

Phil K

******************************************************************

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@...> wrote:
>
> Hello folks,
>
> I've been out of AF for a while (30 years). Somewhere in that time
I lost
> my 326 Hudson and 470-473 PA sets. This year a nice 303 set showed
up under
> the tree and it's great to be back! I can't wait to find another
Hudson
> andn PA set to run.
>
> I am planning a 21 x 16 around the wall (near ceiling level) layout
in our
> family room. This will have a double track mainline. I'll be
using either
> all Gargraves are a combination of AF/Gargraves track. Can anyone
give me
> advice on minimum track centers on curves?
>
> Many Thanks!
>
> Tim Benner
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 42944 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 1/8/2007
Subject: Re: Double Track centers
The S mod standards are 2.75 inches for 2 track mainline. We widened the
center to center to 3" for finger room when a siding was next to a mainline.

You might also check the NASG site for standards.

_____

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Phil K
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 3:14 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Double Track centers



Congratulations on your imminent re-entry into The Wonderful World of
S -- and The Wonderful World That A.C. Gilbert built for us to live
in.

Off the top of my head I would say a good rule of thumb is a MINIMUM
of 3-inch centers on straightaways, and 4 inches on curves -- but 5-
inch MINIMUM centers on curves would be even better if you plan to
run any extra-long cars, like modern passenger cars that might
overhang on the inside of the curves. You don't want trains traveling
in different directions hitting each other when meeting on curves. Of
course, what radius curve you choose to employ is the major
determining factor.

Phil K

******************************************************************

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, "Tim
Benner" <tim.benner@...> wrote:
>
> Hello folks,
>
> I've been out of AF for a while (30 years). Somewhere in that time
I lost
> my 326 Hudson and 470-473 PA sets. This year a nice 303 set showed
up under
> the tree and it's great to be back! I can't wait to find another
Hudson
> andn PA set to run.
>
> I am planning a 21 x 16 around the wall (near ceiling level) layout
in our
> family room. This will have a double track mainline. I'll be
using either
> all Gargraves are a combination of AF/Gargraves track. Can anyone
give me
> advice on minimum track centers on curves?
>
> Many Thanks!
>
> Tim Benner
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 42945 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 1/8/2007
Subject: Jim Marski Open house
I have seen Jim's collection. It is worth the trip by it's self.
His house is located in the mountains of Colorado, beautiful view of
Lions head, fantastic train collection. And a collection of real Jeeps (
lots of em ) you can't believe.
Jerry HR77-11644





5. Happy New Year and TCA National Convention
Posted by: "Jim Marski" jim_marski@... jim_marski
Date: Wed Jan 3, 2007 10:16 pm ((PST))

Happy New Year to all -



I don't post a lot, but know a number of you from York. I'd like to
offer a personal invitation to attend the 2007 TCA National Convention is
Denver this Summer- June 23 thru July 1.

I will be having an open house during the convention with our layout
and collection on display, including our 2 factory dealer layouts. We
also have a large collection of 1:1 scale Jeep vehicles to see, as well
as various RR memorabilia.

Convention info is online at-
http://www.rmdtoytrains.org/tcamembers/2007Convention/2007_convention.htm

Hope to see you in the Mile High City

Jim Marski
Group: S-Trains Message: 42946 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 1/8/2007
Subject: AF rail and turnout INFO
Perhaps someone more learned that I will post better info here for
you. But here's what I can tell you.....
If you are going to use American Flyer compatable wheels, you'll
need to use at least code 127 rail, which is the rail height of S
Helper Service rail on their sectional and flex track. It's about as
low as you can go and clear AF wheel flanges. SHS track also has
flat top rail so it will work equally well with scale wheels.
If you are going scale only, you can easily go down to code 100
rail. Code 100 is common HO scale rail and is inexpensive.
As for turnouts, again will you be running AF compatable or scale?
To be AF compatable you can go as tight as 20" radius, for scale
you'll want to go a bit wider radius. You probably could use turnout
numbers like you do in HO with a number 6 being fine for just about
anything.
Remember, the wider the curvature, the more reliable and better
looking your big locos and passenger cars will be. On the other
hand, if space is a problem (which it doesn't appear to be from your
website)original AF radius is 19/20" is about minimum, although I
have a small layout with 15" radius curves (same as AF PikeMaster
track)that I run only small locos and freight cars on.
I hope this helps...
Stumpy Stone...former "scale" modeler who is now having more fun
with S gauge.
Group: S-Trains Message: 42947 From: G C Date: 1/8/2007
Subject: Re: Double Track centers
I will repeat the advice that Roy Inman gave me a few months ago. You have to experiment with the problem of track centers. It does indeed involve car length and radius. The best thing is to get a large piece of scrap paper and draw your minimum curve. Then take a piece of wood or cardboard the length and width of whatever the longest car you will be running will be and just see how far out it swings as you go around the curve. Of course if you have the car itself just use it for the experiment. I don't have the dimensions of a long passenger car handy, but I'm sure many here will know it. The thing is doing this little exercise doesn't cost much in time or materials, but it sure will answer a big question.

Gene Cimino

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42948 From: Tim Benner Date: 1/8/2007
Subject: Re: Double Track centers
Thanks to all!

I just got a Greenburg's book and I think it has all of the car and loco
specs. So the experiment idea is great... cardboard is free! There is a
swap meet here in Dayton this weekend so who knows, maybe there will be some
AF and I'll come home with a few aluminum coaches.

Best regards,
Tim


On 1/8/07, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote:
>
> I will repeat the advice that Roy Inman gave me a few months ago. You
> have to experiment with the problem of track centers. It does indeed involve
> car length and radius. The best thing is to get a large piece of scrap paper
> and draw your minimum curve. Then take a piece of wood or cardboard the
> length and width of whatever the longest car you will be running will be and
> just see how far out it swings as you go around the curve. Of course if you
> have the car itself just use it for the experiment. I don't have the
> dimensions of a long passenger car handy, but I'm sure many here will know
> it. The thing is doing this little exercise doesn't cost much in time or
> materials, but it sure will answer a big question.
>
> Gene Cimino
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 42949 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/8/2007
Subject: For "Hot Wheels" lovers
I picked up a couple of new "Old Number 5.5" firetrucks.
They are the same as the "Old Number 5" but with a different twist!
See the two at:
http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer_007/HW+No_+5+and+5_5.JPG.html
I think I'll be painting the ladders.

Rick.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42950 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 1/9/2007
Subject: Not Train Related - But
To all my S-gauge friends who said my Florida Gators had no chance
against Ohio State just look where the college football National
Championship trophy resides now. It resides in beautiful Gainesville,
Florida right next to the men's basketball National Championship
trophy!

BG1

University of Florida Class of 1977 & 1982
Group: S-Trains Message: 42951 From: Knight, Gene Date: 1/9/2007
Subject: Lionel catalog
For those of you that may not have seen it or were asking when the new catalog will be out, Lionel has a countdown clock on their website......a little less than two weeks now.

Gene
Group: S-Trains Message: 42953 From: Don Rodgers Sr. Date: 1/9/2007
Subject: Re: Reactivate
Please help me reactivate my s trains @yahoo groups email. Thank You, Don Rodgers

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42954 From: Harlan Jones Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: MRC synchro sound
One of my toy this Christmas was a MRC Synchro sound steam. Just hook it
up to a dc transformer and its ready to go. Its a lot of fun and if
you'd like to hear it please go to my youtube link.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdfMly_LMuo>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdfMly_LMuo
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdfMly_LMuo>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 42955 From: Al Baker Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: AF Transformer parts
Where can I see a parts breakdown/parts lists of the internals of AF
transformers?

My K-Line Complete Service Manual for AF lists some of them, but not
all.

Al Baker
Portland
Group: S-Trains Message: 42956 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Re: Not Train Related - But
Yes but it does not smoke or choo choo LOL Congratulations Tom


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42957 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Flyonel SF B Unit w/railsounds
Check this ebay auction 250068615132 (not mine)

rather impressive price, does anyone have a current price guide, or is
this a fluke?
Group: S-Trains Message: 42958 From: Edward Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: TMCC
I installed TMCC in American Models F7 that is heavily chromed. I had
to glue the antenna on the fuel tanks because it would not work well
with the body on. It works great by itself but when I add other engines
with on the track it becomes erratic or not working at all including
the bell and horn. Has anyone had this problem before and if so what do
you do to cure it?
Group: S-Trains Message: 42959 From: John Ruckle Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Thanks for the help!
I have received quite a few private emails from list members with
advice on the repair of AF smoking tenders, however, all my replies
have been returned as undeliverable. I don't know all the members'
names so I'm just going to have to say 'Thanks for the help' right
here. Thank you so much, John Ruckle
Group: S-Trains Message: 42960 From: Phil K Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel SF B Unit w/railsounds
That piece (48136) sold new at $149.99 MSRP in 2004 -- also offered at
that time for $119.99 MSRP was a set of two extra passenger cars for
the set.

The Santa Fe warbonnet "set" was actually sold in two separate
increments when originally issued in 1997. Flyonel offered the two PA
locomotives boxed separately from a pack of four passenger cars. Price
guides list the "going" price at $275 NIB for the two locomotives, and
$275 for the four NIB passenger cars -- or $550 total.

However, for some reason these sets are very hard to find, and when
they appear on eBay the entire six-piece "set" NIB has sold for bids
between $680 and $900. I see similar prices -- or higher -- at shows,
although they are scarce there, too.

I have never heard/read anything about a "shortage" of the SF sets,
though. The bidding on this item leads me to believe there also may be
a very limited number of these B units.

Phil K

******************************************************************

In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "acgilbertflyer" <robbe_wan@...> wrote:
>
> Check this ebay auction 250068615132 (not mine)
>
> rather impressive price, does anyone have a current price guide, or
is
> this a fluke?
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 42961 From: Phil K Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Warning -- counterfeit AF calendars back on eBay
Just a repeat warning to newer members of this forum:

Here we go again. Gilbert did not make any model trains in 1944 -- let
alone print any of these calendars. The copy describing the auction
item is very cleverly worded to be evasive and mislead potential
collectors into thinking this is an authentic Gilbert-issued calendar.

It most definitely is NOT. Caveat emptor, baby.

http://tinyurl.com/yf6uwx
Group: S-Trains Message: 42962 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Re: AF Transformer parts
In a message dated 1/10/2007 5:22:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
albaker33@... writes:

Where can I see a parts breakdown/parts lists of the internals of AF
transformers?

My K-Line Complete Service Manual for AF lists some of them, but not
all.




Al,

The factory supplied parts lists and diagrams to their service stations for
the following transformers;

#'s 1 and 1-1/2-45 watt metal case, 1-1/2-50 watt plastic case, #2-75 watt
metal case, #4b-100 watt metal case, #4b-100 watt plastic case. This was a
parts listing only, no diagrams..Form #1564

Parts list and diagram for #15B..Form #1565

Parts list and diagram for #16B..Form #1566

Parts list and diagram for #18B & #30B..Form#1568

Parts list and diagram for #19B..Form#1567

Parts list and diagram for #'s 1-1/2B 50 watt, 22004 40 watt, #22020 50
watt, #22030 100 watt..Form #1984

Parts list and diagram for #22035-175 watt..Form #1977

Parts list and diagram for #22090-350 watt..Form #1998

Hope this helps.

Fred


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42963 From: John Eichmann Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Re: Not Train Related - But
Yes, Bull Gator, we here in Boise were pulling for Florida.
Congratulations!

But, now, let's hear it for the OTHER Division I team which received
voting for First Place this week, and the ONLY UNDEFEATED team in the
nation: the Boise State Broncos, 13-0, which has been dubbed (from
around the country) as "America's Team" after "The Game of the Century."

There's no doubt, Blue and Orange ruled this year! (Florida, Auburn,
and BSU.)

Uh, trains. . . let's see, uh, there must be some tie-in . . . oh, yes,
the BSU Broncos represent the S-gauge ideals of the little guy, the
underdog, the ones who have to try harder, but whose victories are all
the more sweet because of those odds. I am truly sorry if anyone finds
fault with this message on this board, and I know I have violated the
rules, but I hope you will indulge me this one time, as our town has
gone nuts over the Fiesta Bowl victory. Besides, don't forget that A.C.
Gilbert was an Idaho boy.

We now return you to your regular scheduled programming.

YourS,
John Eichmann, Coordinator
Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers
BOISE
(BSU '74)

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...>
wrote:
>
> To all my S-gauge friends who said my Florida Gators had no chance
> against Ohio State just look where the college football National
> Championship trophy resides now. It resides in beautiful
Gainesville,
> Florida right next to the men's basketball National Championship
> trophy!
>
> BG1
>
> University of Florida Class of 1977 & 1982
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 42964 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Re: Warning -- counterfeit AF calendars back on eBay
Well,
that calendar isn't even right.
That calendar shows the 1st on a Sat., from what I've found it was on a Sunday!!

Rick.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42965 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Re: Warning -- counterfeit AF calendars back on eBay
I wrote & asked if it was really made by Gilbert. Here is the answer: Hello
and thanks for your inquiry. I have no idea how to tell that? All I know
about it is what I have on the listing.
Kindest Regards, Rebecca


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42966 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Re: RARE CUSTOM ITEM ON E-BAY
Ok you guys have to see this item. It is as advertised"CUSTOM" E-BAY Item #
in blue banner 180073451833
Mike

Click here:

http://tinyurl.com/y8lanl
Group: S-Trains Message: 42967 From: Phil K Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Re: Warning -- counterfeit AF calendars back on eBay
>>anormal1 wrote:
>
> I wrote & asked if it was really made by Gilbert. Here is the
answer: Hello and thanks for your inquiry. I have no idea how to
tell that? All I know about it is what I have on the listing.
> Kindest Regards, Rebecca<<


Yeah, sure. She's just playing dumb, Mike. She's been selling exact
copies of this same calendar for at least TWO YEARS! It seems like
she has an endless supply of these, and eBay just *winks* and
continues to look the other way.

Her most ridiculous fakes (all start with January 1 as a Saturday and
may be erroneous, as Rick said) include a 1910 Burlington RR calendar
sporting a huge drawing of the Pioneer Zephyr, which wasn't desogned
and built until 1934 by EMD.

Then there's this 1927 Lionel calendar with pictures of post-war
trains and accessories:

http://tinyurl.com/y2ys8c

... and another from 1927 -- before Lionel made steam locomotives
and uses what I believe is an American Flyer piece of artwork:

http://tinyurl.com/ya29bj

There are also multiple websites that claim all of her "Black Mammy"
items, vintage signs and ceramics are also fakes. Just do a Google
search...

Phil K

****************************************************************
Group: S-Trains Message: 42968 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Re: Warning -- counterfeit AF calendars back on eBay
Interesting that January 1, 1944
was a Saturday.
1944, Saturday January 1, Death of the architect Edwin Landseer Lutyens.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Phil K
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:01 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Warning -- counterfeit AF calendars back on eBay


Just a repeat warning to newer members of this forum:

Here we go again. Gilbert did not make any model trains in 1944 -- let
alone print any of these calendars. The copy describing the auction
item is very cleverly worded to be evasive and mislead potential
collectors into thinking this is an authentic Gilbert-issued calendar.

It most definitely is NOT. Caveat emptor, baby.

http://tinyurl.com/yf6uwx





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Group: S-Trains Message: 42969 From: Crpntr12449@aol.com Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: MRC synchro sound
Harlan, I am truly impressed with your enthusiasm and creativity. The camera
work is great, also. Watched quite a few once I got to the site. Keep up the
good work.


Carlton






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Group: S-Trains Message: 42970 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Warning -- counterfeit AF calendars back on eBay
I do remember the stink when these showed up before.
But I have to ask, where does it mention A.C. Gilbert?
Gilbert didn't make any models trains in '44, but what about
American Flyer? No trains during wartime? Or....??
I know I'm missing somethin' here! :^)

Rick.
auction: http://tinyurl.com/yf6uwx











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Group: S-Trains Message: 42971 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Re: RARE CUSTOM ITEM ON E-BAY
But just think of the dreams and fun the kid had making it..... I still have 2 cars I worked on when I was a kid 55 +- years ago....... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: anormal1@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 4:44 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: RARE CUSTOM ITEM ON E-BAY


Ok you guys have to see this item. It is as advertised"CUSTOM" E-BAY Item #
in blue banner 180073451833
Mike

Click here:

http://tinyurl.com/y8lanl





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Group: S-Trains Message: 42972 From: Phil K Date: 1/10/2007
Subject: Re: Warning -- counterfeit AF calendars back on eBay
A.C. Gilbert bought American Flyer (aka "Chicago Flyer) from W.O.
Coleman in 1938.

Because of materials shortages, Gilbert made no trains from 1942
though the end of 1945. Plus, its factories were busy 24/7 making
wartime goods on contract with the military. Gilbert made small
motors that operated the ailerons and wing flaps on U.S. fighter
planes -- the motors were similar in design to the motors used to
power post-war locomotives, but of course, the ones manufactured for
fighter planes were much larger.

So there'd hardly be a need to spend money to issue calendars to its
vendors/repair centers when the company was two-plus years away from
selling trains again.

This seller's copy used to claim it came from an American Flyer
dealer.

Phil K

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> wrote:
>>
> I do remember the stink when these showed up before.
> But I have to ask, where does it mention A.C. Gilbert?
> Gilbert didn't make any models trains in '44, but what about
> American Flyer? No trains during wartime? Or....??
> I know I'm missing somethin' here! :^)
>
> Rick.
Group: S-Trains Message: 42973 From: Eric R. Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: A Few more Items for sale
------ I'll offer these here before I ebay them next week.-------



I have been converting all my engines over to DC so have some items I no
longer need.



FIRST: I have a Burlington E8 American Models engine for sale. This is
the Hi-rail AV chrome version will the full sound board. Beautiful like
new engine. I sold this once on here and that person has now backed out.
If you contacted me before, try again. $250.



SECOND: I have an American Flyer Pacific engine, Tender repainted and
numbers removed. I believe it was a 312. It Has an S-N-S trains can motor
in it and an S Helper reverse unit. Replacement knuckle coupler was link
originally. Good AC powered runner, very clean engine, needs some
lettering. $100



THIRD: An American Models sound card with reverse unit from an E8 engine.
I can't find these on the AM web site. The closest thing is $130 list. I
have 2, I'll sell them for $75 for one or $130 for both.



FOURTH: An American Models reverse unit from an SD60, just reverses, no
sound. $30.



Thanks for looking.



Eric Reis

Kenmore, Wa.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 42974 From: charlie and edith Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Set Value
Greetings! Toured some antique shops this afternoon, with company, and happened across a Marx train set. The box is labeled: Allstate Electric Train, #(9625), Sears Roebuck and Co. The engine is numbered 666, with light and smoke. There are four cars, a 50 watt transformer, three pieces of track and some paper direction sheets. It would seem to be missing the uncoupler and the tressel set. It was in great condition and tempting, but have no idea of value. Anyone have a "ballpark figure" for this set? Also came across an American Flyer water tower with a light bulb in the top .... couldn't find a number. It looks like prewar and was in very good condition except for a missing spout .... could there be a spout about or a way to fabricate one? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42975 From: Rollain Mercier Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Are you kidding me? $400+
and he notes -

Yes the shipping does seem a little high!

Raleigh in co-o-old Maine
Emporium Pictures
See my videos at http://www.emporiumpictures.com/
email me for new releases: Emporium Pictures <raleigh@...>


At 12:35 AM 1/11/2007, Eric R. wrote:

eBay item #180071136948

"This has got to be some kind of record for a Down's repainted flyer tanker.

eric"
Group: S-Trains Message: 42976 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Re: Warning -- counterfeit AF calendars back on eBay
***(((that calendar isn't even right.
That calendar shows the 1st on a Sat., from what I've found it was on a Sunday!!)))***

I've proved myself wrong! Another source proves the 1st was on a Sat.
I'll go play with my trains now.

Rick.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 42977 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: A.C. Gilbert
***((((A.C. Gilbert bought American Flyer (aka "Chicago Flyer) from W.O.
Coleman in 1938)))***

You are correct Phil. I couldn't remember when he bought out
American Flyer, and I was thrown off by the search I did and came
up with: "The A. C. Gilbert Company produced its American Flyer Trains for little
more than 20 years....1946 to 1966",..........which of course, are the years for 2-rail
S-gauge, not 3-rail O-gauge. Silly me!

Rick.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 42978 From: Eric R. Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Are you kidding me? $400+
http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-S-DOWNS-MODEL-DUPONT-TANK-CAR_W0QQitemZ18
0071136948QQihZ008QQcategoryZ480QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



or item # 180071136948



This has got to be some kind of record for a Down's repainted flyer tanker.



eric



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Group: S-Trains Message: 42979 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: STEP??????
Check out this one..... NO DAMAGE? Isn't the step missing ?
180073457475
Bob

Click here:

http://tinyurl.com/ylvbb9
Group: S-Trains Message: 42980 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Re: Warning -- counterfeit AF calendars back on eBay
Engine numbers 6-48130. 51-52, alco pa-1, pb-1 SF...... Cars 48948, 47, 46, 45 Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil K
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 6:16 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Warning -- counterfeit AF calendars back on eBay


>>anormal1 wrote:
>
> I wrote & asked if it was really made by Gilbert. Here is the
answer: Hello and thanks for your inquiry. I have no idea how to
tell that? All I know about it is what I have on the listing.
> Kindest Regards, Rebecca<<


Yeah, sure. She's just playing dumb, Mike. She's been selling exact
copies of this same calendar for at least TWO YEARS! It seems like
she has an endless supply of these, and eBay just *winks* and
continues to look the other way.

Her most ridiculous fakes (all start with January 1 as a Saturday and
may be erroneous, as Rick said) include a 1910 Burlington RR calendar
sporting a huge drawing of the Pioneer Zephyr, which wasn't desogned
and built until 1934 by EMD.

Then there's this 1927 Lionel calendar with pictures of post-war
trains and accessories:

http://tinyurl.com/y2ys8c

... and another from 1927 -- before Lionel made steam locomotives
and uses what I believe is an American Flyer piece of artwork:

http://tinyurl.com/ya29bj

There are also multiple websites that claim all of her "Black Mammy"
items, vintage signs and ceramics are also fakes. Just do a Google
search...

Phil K

****************************************************************





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Group: S-Trains Message: 42981 From: Eric R. Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Re: [AvailableSgauge] A Few more Items for sale
I just wanted to note that the 2 soundcard / reverse units have the dual
speakers already wired to them.



eric





------ I'll offer these here before I ebay them next week.-------



I have been converting all my engines over to DC so have some items I no
longer need.



FIRST: I have a Burlington E8 American Models engine for sale. This is
the Hi-rail AC chrome version will the full sound board. Beautiful like
new engine. Lists at $299. I sold this once on here and that person has now
backed out. If you contacted me before, try again. $250. Shipping USA
included.



SECOND: I have an American Flyer Pacific engine, Tender repainted and
numbers removed. I believe it was a 312. It Has an S-N-S trains can motor
in it and an S Helper reverse unit. Replacement knuckle coupler was link
originally. Good AC powered runner, very clean engine, needs some
lettering. $100



THIRD: An American Models sound card with reverse unit from an E8 engine.
I can't find these on the AM web site. The closest thing is $130 list. I
have 2, I'll sell them for $75 for one or $130 for both.



SOLD FOURTH: An American Models reverse unit from an SD60, just reverses,
no sound. $30.



Thanks for looking.



Eric Reis

Kenmore, Wa.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 42982 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Re: STEP??????
Wow, I would love to email him about where the step is that is missing, but I am not on his good side. LOL

At least there are no repro parts, like the flat car I won from him! What a saga that was!

Bob email him about the step and then you too, will be banned from his auctions, just like Mike S. and I am. Aren't we lucky? LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:10 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] STEP??????


Check out this one..... NO DAMAGE? Isn't the step missing ?
180073457475
Bob

Click here:

http://tinyurl.com/ylvbb9





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Group: S-Trains Message: 42983 From: Phil K Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert
Here's a pretty good -- and accurate -- overview history of 100 years
of American Flyer. And yes, I had a hand in completing some of it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Flyer

Phil K

*******************************************************************

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> wrote:
>
> ***((((A.C. Gilbert bought American Flyer (aka "Chicago Flyer) from
W.O.
> Coleman in 1938)))***
>
> You are correct Phil. I couldn't remember when he bought out
> American Flyer, and I was thrown off by the search I did and came
> up with: "The A. C. Gilbert Company produced its American Flyer
Trains for little
> more than 20 years....1946 to 1966",..........which of course, are
the years for 2-rail
> S-gauge, not 3-rail O-gauge. Silly me!
>
> Rick.
Group: S-Trains Message: 42984 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert
Phil,

I read your/the Wikipedia article, and I feel the following is not only
misleading, but does a disservice to ACG's obvious intent of making
toy-trains more realistic.

"This allowed the S-scale trains to navigate tighter 27-inch curves that
would cause a conventional O gauge train to derail or jump the track. While
this resulted in curves that were much tighter than those that appear in the
real world and O27 gauge train cars that appeared "stubby" in length, it
allowed more track in a smaller space."

ALL "toy-train" trackage is MUCH tighter than prototype! The 1939-41 ACG
trains were designed for 40" diameter/20" radius track, which was
considerably LARGER than competitor Lionel's O-27 and O-31 curves, upon
which 1/48 rolling stock did, and still does, look totally ridiculous.

Dick Hosmer


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42985 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert
Esteemed Colleagues,



Brother Phil has assisted in a very nice essay. I find the facts to be
consistent with my other sources and the essay represents a clear and
concise exposition on the history of our trains. The story is much easier to
recognize in this wiki-version than in parts of chapters spread all over a
longer book. If you have not yet done so, take a few minutes to read it.



Thanks Phil,

Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Phil K
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:06 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A.C. Gilbert



Here's a pretty good -- and accurate -- overview history of 100 years
of American Flyer. And yes, I had a hand in completing some of it...

http://en.wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Flyer>
.org/wiki/American_Flyer

Phil K

*******************************************************************





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Group: S-Trains Message: 42986 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: SORRY
SORRY I GOOFED ON THE ENGINE NUMBERS..... wrong post..... Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42987 From: Phil K Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert
Thanks for the input, Dick. But let's break down the two sentences
you took issue with:

> I read your/the Wikipedia article, and I feel the following is not
only misleading, but does a disservice to ACG's obvious intent of
making toy-trains more realistic.
>
>[At this point article is referring to Gilbert producing 1:64 scale
trains in 1941 that ran on conventional O gauge, 3-rail track] "This
allowed the S-scale trains to navigate tighter 27-inch curves that
would cause a conventional O gauge train to derail or jump the
track...."

This sentence is true. It also explains off-handedly why
manufacturing O27 trains was necessary -- to fit a tighter radius
without overhanging or derailing.

>"While this resulted in curves that were much tighter than those
that appear in the real world and O27 gauge train cars that
appeared "stubby" in length [it] allowed more track in a smaller
space."

Also true as it stands.


Dick wrote: > ALL "toy-train" trackage is MUCH tighter than
prototype! The 1939-41 ACG trains were designed for 40" diameter/20"
radius track, which was considerably LARGER than competitor Lionel's
O-27 and O-31 curves, upon which 1/48 rolling stock did, and still
does, look totally ridiculous.<

Dick, nowhere does the article say toy train trackage is NOT tighter
than prototype. And how is a 40-inch circle of track LARGER than
Lionel's 54-inch and 62-inch circles?

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 42988 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Re: Elizabeth Toy Trains
Anyone know what happened to Elizabeth Station Toy Trains in Dayton Ohio?


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42989 From: bandmancwc Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Northerns
Hi all, I need the groups opinions. I am looking to buy a Northern...I
run straight DC, and I was wondering what you though about the AF
Northern vs. the American Models Northern. Price is a consideration,
but not the only one...... Also, along that line, my s gauge dealer I
have been buying from has gone out of business, and I was wondering if
you folks could recommend an American Models dealer who can give me a
better price than ordering off the American Models website? Thanks for
the help, opinions, and information in advance...Bill
Group: S-Trains Message: 42990 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Re: Northerns
I have the new Flyonel Northern and the American Models Northern.

Since you are running DC that takes away one of the things that is
great about the Flyonel unit. It has a wonderful sound system.

I haven't taken pictures of my Flyonel Northern, but hi-res photos of
my dusty AM can be seen at:

http://www.mwkiner.com/nycpa/AM_Northern.jpg 1.4 meg file


Here is the rundown as I see it:

Drive system

Smoother on the AM, but the AF isn't bad.
AM geared a little slower, but goes plenty fast enough, haven't done
a drawbar test, but expect the AM to out pull the AF, not likely you
will be wanting in either case.

Appearance.

If you want it to look like a Gilbert locomotive the AF gets the
edge, but it sure looks stark with the black drivers.

AM I believe takes the edge here as it looks much more prototypical
on the track without having any quirks that I am aware of on hi-rail
track. I am running mine on sectional track on carpet w/roadbed.

Sound

Mechanical Choo choo quiet, but nice sound on AM
Squeaks as you have probably read on the AF, but supposedly fixable.
Electronic on the AF is great, but alas…DC makes that tough.

General

Lots of room in both for sound upgrades and DCC or TMCC, you may not
care.

The AF will probably be less susceptible to handling damage, but the
AM is not too delicate to deal with.

I believe there are dealer lists on the mfg web sites, but we have
some who hang out here on the list.

I haven't had any bad dealings with anyone who sells on the list.

The people I have dealt with are:

Portlines
Gulf Coast Hobbies
Leventon's

But I would look for who is close to you.
Group: S-Trains Message: 42991 From: charlie and edith Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Set Value
Greetings and thanks to all for the input on the value of the Marx Set. I now have the feeling it is probably not under-priced .... Again, thanks and best wishes, Charlie

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Group: S-Trains Message: 42992 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Re: A.C. Gilbert
Phil,

Thanks very much for the reply, with which I do not entirely disagree. It
was merely a question of semantics, admittedly taken out of context.

However - unless I am terribly mistaken [and I sometimes am, :-)] I think
you will find that, like "O-72" (which makes a six-foot circle) "O-27" and
"O-31" are DIAMETERS, NOT radii, and thus ACG's 40" circle (which, oddly
enough was apparently never called "O-40") WAS actually larger than either.

Dick Hosmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 42993 From: Phil K Date: 1/11/2007
Subject: Track radii
From Wikipedia under "Lionel Corp.":

"A circle of 8 pieces of curved standard O track measures 31 inches in
diameter, while 8 pieces of O27 curves make a circle 27 inches in
diameter, hence the name O27.

O27 trains will run without trouble on O track, but longer O
locomotives and cars can struggle on the tighter curves of O27 track,
coming to a stop or derailing."

You're right, Dick. Three-railers do it bass-ackwards to the way us Flyer/S guys label track, as we use radius and they use diameter. Gilbert AF track is 19-inch radius for a 38-inch circle -- Lionel O27 is 13.5-inch radius, or a 27-inch circle. Either way, I think we all agree the larger O/O27 scale cars look REALLY stupid going around a 27-inch circle.

Long live S, the scale that would not die! <grin>

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 42994 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 1/12/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel catalog
Just an observation about the Lionel web site & the count down picure. Did
anyone notice the billboard on the layout? Are we going to get a remake of the
AF Circus Set??

Harwood


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42995 From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com Date: 1/12/2007
Subject: Re: Northerns
I have the AM northern and although it is a beautiful model I was
disappointed in the sound system! I have several Lionel O gauge engines[both steam and
diesel] and the sound systems are great! Based on that I would expect the
same quality on the AF Northern. But, who knows? Jim Foley


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Group: S-Trains Message: 42996 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/12/2007
Subject: Re: RARE CUSTOM ITEM ON E-BAY
Well, it IS custom. It certainly didn't come from the factory that way!
;^)

Rick.


Ok you guys have to see this item. It is as advertised"CUSTOM" E-BAY Item #
in blue banner
http://tinyurl.com/y8lanl





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Group: S-Trains Message: 42997 From: Russ Dondero Date: 1/12/2007
Subject: B Unit with Railsounds
Does anyone know what year the Flyonel B unit #48119
with railsounds came out?



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Group: S-Trains Message: 42998 From: Phil K Date: 1/12/2007
Subject: Re: B Unit with Railsounds
The 48119 UP B unit with RailSounds came out in 1992.

Phil K


> Does anyone know what year the Flyonel B unit #48119
> with railsounds came out?
Group: S-Trains Message: 42999 From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton Date: 1/12/2007
Subject: Unsubscribe
Please unsubscribe me to the S-trains list for now. I have heavy time
demands that prevent me from reading the daily digest. I hope to return to
it some day soon.

Thank you.

Regards,

Steve Pendleton


[You are still a member. I have stopped the daily digest and all emails until you tell us to reactivate them.

If this is not to your wishes for some reason, let us know. You can visit the S-Trains site to read messages at any time. --- Phil K, moderator]
Group: S-Trains Message: 43000 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: AF Drawings/Parts Lists links
Someone sent out a great list of pdf files for AF Drawings/Parts Lists links
to Lionel.com. Can we get an updated list from the same person for all the
new items that Lionel has brought out?

Harwood


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43001 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: Re: B Unit with Railsounds
As a side note the '92 B unit railsounds units have a very nice, speed
sensitive diesel roar. It is not as nifty as the 48136 but still nice.
( hear/see the 48136 it at: http://www.mwkiner.com/video/sfsound.htm )

At some point in the future if there is interest I will catch a clip
of one of the '92 units and post on my web site.



Speaking of rail sounds a few years ago I bought a 484,484,486 set
from our list sponser. It was the first diesel roar unit I had heard,
and I was impressed with how good it sounded (especially for the day).

MK
Group: S-Trains Message: 43002 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: About that bogus 1944 AF calendar
Hmmmmmmmmm............I wonder where they got the idea from?
Maybe this sign?
http://www.amazon.com/American-Flyer-Train/dp/B00062H4WE/sr=8-7/qid=1168669811/ref=pd_bbs_sr_7/104-7455344-5311131?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden

Rick.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43003 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: All Aboard Sets website
The AF [allaboardsets.com] website has apparently been hacked and
replaced by an offensive foreign page. Does anyone know if the
legitimate site has been moved to a new domain, or just vaporized????

Doug Peck
Group: S-Trains Message: 43004 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: Catalog
The new S-Helper Service Inc, catalog of The Showcase Line 2007 edition is out. Not quite as nice as some of the past few years, but very good. Save a bit of money to put into the product, we can't run a catalog on the track.

jfred


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43005 From: George Cohn Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: Re: All Aboard Sets website
Doug Peck wrote:
>
>
> The AF [allaboardsets.com] website has apparently been hacked and
> replaced by an offensive foreign page. Does anyone know if the
> legitimate site has been moved to a new domain, or just vaporized????
>
> Doug Peck
>

A query of whois shows it to still be registered:

Domain Name: ALLABOARDSETS.COM
Registrar: TUCOWS INC.
Whois Server: whois.opensrs.net
Referral URL: http://domainhelp.tucows.com
Name Server: DNS1.ARISHOST.COM
Name Server: DNS2.ARISHOST.COM
Status: ok
Updated Date: 17-sep-2006
Creation Date: 26-jul-2002
Expiration Date: 26-jul-2007

My guess is they took it down to fix it after it got hacked.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 43006 From: Ed Eckert Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: Re: All Aboard Sets website
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote:
>
> The AF [allaboardsets.com] website has apparently been hacked and
> replaced by an offensive foreign page. Does anyone know if the
> legitimate site has been moved to a new domain, or just
vaporized????
>
> Doug Peck
>

I just went to my groups and clicked on the Al Aboard Group and
copied this from the front page.
Ed


I am happy new announce new changes at the All Aboard Sets Club and
MyFlyerTrains.Org! We will be using Yahoo again to post messages to
the club. You can enter the club as always, via MyFlyerTrains.Org, or
go direct to Yahoo Groups. To post, email your comments to email
allaboardsets@yahoogroups.com or click on Post at the left of this
frame.
ALL REQUESTS FOR NEW MEMBERSHIP MUST INCLUDE AN EXPLANATION AS TO WHY
YOU WISH TO JOIN THE GROUP, OR YOUR MEMBERSHIP WILL NOT BE APPROVED
Group: S-Trains Message: 43007 From: Phil K Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: It's pure BS -- unless John Heck has changed his name...
Just got an "eBay second chance auction" offer on the AF 24558
Christmas Tree Transport -- it sold for $530.

I was one of 10 bidders -- and not even one of the top three or four -
- but I received the offer anyway. And get this: I can buy this rare
NIB car for what I originally bid, and NOT $530.00. What a bargain!
And imagine this: at least three bidders who outbid me all have
turned down the second chance auction to obtain the car at what they
originally bid... all below the $530 selling price.

Yeah, sure. And a frog wouldn't bump his butt when he jumped if he
had wings.

See, the problem with Brian Williamson's generous offer is that the
original car was being sold by an old buddy of mine, John Heck, who
is also one of the most reputable Flyer dealers in the country.

So here's what I know for sure: Brian Williamson, who claims to be
from Ebay, can't spell or compose a decent sentence in English. Brian
Williamson wants me to send a email to him at hotmail.com and not
respond through eBay. Brian Williamson will want me to send him a
money order or cashier's cheque for the item and not go through eBay
using PayPal, which was originally one of the choices in the auction.
Brian Williamson doesn't even have the car to sell. Brian Williamson
is a liar. Brian Williamson is a thief. Brian Williamson will never
see any of my money.

And hopefully, thanks to this warning, none of yours, either.

Gee -- think Brian Williamson is his real name? LOL

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 43008 From: seg60133 Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: Re: Are you kidding me? $400+
This is a super tough tank car to find. The trouble is that the item
in the auction looks very different from the photo in Greenberg's Vol
2 (1991) on page 87. Does anyone know of variations in early Downs
repaints?

Steve

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Eric R." <northline@...> wrote:
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-S-DOWNS-MODEL-DUPONT-TANK-
CAR_W0QQitemZ18
> 0071136948QQihZ008QQcategoryZ480QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>
>
> or item # 180071136948
>
>
>
> This has got to be some kind of record for a Down's repainted flyer
tanker.
>
>
>
> eric
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43009 From: George Cohn Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: Re: It's pure BS -- unless John Heck has changed his name...
Phil K wrote:

>
> Just got an "eBay second chance auction" offer on the AF 24558
> Christmas Tree Transport -- it sold for $530.
>

I'm the list admin for a car list that deals with the old Jaguar sports
cars.

We see scams like this two or three times a day. The jerks out there
think that folks are so greedy that they will jump at a "second chance"
offer for a big ticket item and think nothing of sending their money via
Western Union to someplace in Nigeria where many of these scams originate.

I've just about given up buying and have completely given up selling
using eBay. I report two or three obvious phony auctions a day where
they copy photos from legitimate dealer sites and it still take two or
three days for eBay to shut them down.

Anybody want a $50,000 Jaguar E-Type for $8,000? That seems to be the
price point that earmarks the classic car scams, so a $530 AF train car
is a cheap education :-)

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 43010 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: Weekly S-Trains Chat Room, 1/14/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43011 From: Marty.Thorin Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
Good evening:
How do you attach S-Helper's plastic ties to Homabed? (Homabed
is preformed Homasote.) I hope to attach the track tomorrow morning
(Sunday).

Thorin


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43012 From: David Engle Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: Re: S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
This may be a good opportunity to use that "Decoupage" that Mr. Kleidon was suggesting, it definitely sounds better than the Matte Medium that was being discussed just before Lee made his viable contribution.


----- Original Message -----
From: Marty.Thorin
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 6:55 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue


Good evening:
How do you attach S-Helper's plastic ties to Homabed? (Homabed
is preformed Homasote.) I hope to attach the track tomorrow morning
(Sunday).

Thorin

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43013 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: Re;It's pure BS...unless John Heck has changed his name.
Well, here's another scam pulled a year or so ago...
A "mint, original" 1953 Chevrolet Corvette with 3,400 original miles
on it for $10,000. The seller was from Sweden and to prove he was
legitimate he would send you the title and let you pay AFTER you got
the car. All you had to do was advance the seller $2,500. to ship the
car.
You probably don't have to be a car guy to see the holes in this
story! The '53 Corvette in the described condition is worth far more
than $10,000.. Only 300 Corvettes were made that first year, and they
have all been accounted for in the restoration community. And of
course the guy could send you just about anything to represent a
title, since hardly anyone knows what a Swedish title looks like, but
for $2,500. you can find out what one doesn't look like!
I was told by our resource officer at school that some Nigerian guy
tried to scam one of our local coal company bigwigs out of 20 million
bucks a few years ago. (The Nigerians seem to have the most thieves
and their Government doesn't seem to care.)
The whole world seems to want a piece of the American dream by
scamming it out of we Americans by using the internet!
Stumpy Stone...trying to buy only from folks I know when online.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43014 From: Bill Porter Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
In fact, yellow glue will release when soaked with rubbing alcohol. I have
even used that process to remove ballast held down with dilute, yellow glue.



You have many choices.



Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Donald Thompson
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 9:15 PM
To: Marty.Thorin
Cc: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue



For all flex track (ours included) I use Elmer's white glue if there
is any chance I will want to move it some day. If you want it to be
permanent, I use Elmer's yellow carpenters glue. I just glob on the
bottom of the ties and then use push pins between the ties to hold it
down while the glue dries. If you are worried about it ever coming up,
you can use spikes on either side of the triangular web to hold it
secure once the glue has dried (I have never spiked, but you could).
The ballast will cover the spike heads.

Marty.Thorin wrote:

> Good evening:
> How do you attach S-Helper's plastic ties to Homabed? (Homabed
> is preformed Homasote.) I hope to attach the track tomorrow morning
> (Sunday).
>
> Thorin
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

_,_._,___



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43015 From: Marty.Thorin Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: Re: S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
Dear Ed:
Spike down the flex track! That is a great idea! I hadn't thought
of that for flex track. I love it! To make changes you just pull up a
few spikes and move it! This will work for normal applications. But I
didn't state my other problem. I'm putting the flex track onto the
bridge I use to get in and out of the room. I have kids. The bridge
will occasionally be dropped. With the number of spikes I fear I would
need, I might as well go ahead and white glue wooden ties to the the
Homabed (which is white glued to the sub-roadbed). Then I would just
lay code 125 rail and be done. I've got the ties. I've got the rail.
I've got the spikes.
I also have the drill bit (or a replacement) that I used to spike
gen-u-whine AF rail to 1/4 inch plywood to build a wye switch in 1988.
Add to this a box of S Helper flex track laying around with six pieces
40 inches long. This track isn't doing me any good lying in its box so
I was thinking of using it here. Looks like I will have to get out the
ol' Dremel to hold the #78 bit.

Thorin

________________________________

From: Edward Sauers [mailto:ehsauers1@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 7:27 PM
To: Marty.Thorin
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue


Thorin,

In my HO and O scale days I just predrilled holes in the flextrack ties
and used spikes to hold it in place. You can probably glue track to the
homabed also (this is assuming you have already attached the homabed to
your sub-roadbed.

Ed Sauers


----- Original Message ----
From: Marty.Thorin <thorin.marty@...>
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 7:55:11 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue



Good evening:
How do you attach S-Helper's plastic ties to Homabed? (Homabed
is preformed Homasote.) I hope to attach the track tomorrow morning
(Sunday).

Thorin

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43016 From: Donald Thompson Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
For all flex track (ours included) I use Elmer's white glue if there
is any chance I will want to move it some day. If you want it to be
permanent, I use Elmer's yellow carpenters glue. I just glob on the
bottom of the ties and then use push pins between the ties to hold it
down while the glue dries. If you are worried about it ever coming up,
you can use spikes on either side of the triangular web to hold it
secure once the glue has dried (I have never spiked, but you could).
The ballast will cover the spike heads.

Marty.Thorin wrote:

> Good evening:
> How do you attach S-Helper's plastic ties to Homabed? (Homabed
> is preformed Homasote.) I hope to attach the track tomorrow morning
> (Sunday).
>
> Thorin
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43017 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/13/2007
Subject: Pilot truck wheels update.
I've forgotten to mention that I glued two wheels to the axle and
the pilot truck no longer jumps the track!
I glued the worst two, I still may glue the remaining two.
I got some springs from Doug, I might attempt to put one on.

Any other 282 owners on the list? Does yours have a spring?

Thanks to all for their input on the pilot truck issue.

Rick.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43018 From: T Larson Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: RMC
One of my favorite series of articles in model railroading is RMC's
"Essential Freightcars" which covers cars that are numerous, likely to
be seen most anywhere. This month might interest many of you, for it
features the PRR X-29, prototype for that grandfather of mass produced S
scale boxcars, the AF boxcar.
http://www.rrmodelcraftsman.com/this.html

--
Ted Larson
Group: S-Trains Message: 43019 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: Paul Yorke's site
Is anyone else having trouble with Paul Yorke's S-trains site? I haven't
heard anything about it here. What I get is an error message when
attempting to access various albums.

Tom Stoltz

Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork
Maine S Gaugers
NASG

http://s-scale.org/albums/v/s-vendors/Stoltz/



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43020 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: Re: It's pure BS -- unless John Heck has changed his name...
I thought with ebay's new security format that bidders are only referred to
as numbers. Any item over $200. see below,

_http://www2.ebay.com/aw/core/200701.shtml#2007-01-10090135_
(http://www2.ebay.com/aw/core/200701.shtml#2007-01-10090135)


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43021 From: seg60133 Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: Re: It's pure BS -- unless John Heck has changed his name...
You may not have noticed yet, but Ebay has started to hide bidder
IDs, showing them as only Bidder 1, 2, etc. Check the bid history
for the following link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290069506931

It appears they are trying to address this type of scamming.

Steve


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote:
>
> Phil K wrote:
>
> >
> > Just got an "eBay second chance auction" offer on the AF 24558
> > Christmas Tree Transport -- it sold for $530.
> >
>
> I'm the list admin for a car list that deals with the old Jaguar
sports
> cars.
>
> We see scams like this two or three times a day. The jerks out
there
> think that folks are so greedy that they will jump at a "second
chance"
> offer for a big ticket item and think nothing of sending their
money via
> Western Union to someplace in Nigeria where many of these scams
originate.
>
> I've just about given up buying and have completely given up
selling
> using eBay. I report two or three obvious phony auctions a day
where
> they copy photos from legitimate dealer sites and it still take two
or
> three days for eBay to shut them down.
>
> Anybody want a $50,000 Jaguar E-Type for $8,000? That seems to be
the
> price point that earmarks the classic car scams, so a $530 AF train
car
> is a cheap education :-)
>
> George Cohn
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43022 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: Re: All Aboard Sets website
Um,

We are confusing two different web sites here. Brad's http://
www.allaboardsets.com has been hacked. The "All Aboard Sets Club",
which is part of http://www.myflyertrains.org is thankfully still
intact.

I will see if I have an email address for Brad and send him a note.

Later... Chuck
Group: S-Trains Message: 43023 From: Bullybullfrog@aol.com Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: 'O' Scale West Plus 'S' Convention Information
Hello Folks,
Please excuse any cross post.

February 15th, 16th & 17th will bring the annual 'O' Scale West Plus 'S'
Convention and Swap Meet to the Hyatt Regency Santa Clara Hotel located at 5101
Great American parkway, Santa Clara, Ca.

While this is a 'scale' show there will be clinics, movies, door prizes,
manufacturers tables and favorite model contest that will be of interest to all.

For further information on the convention, hotel, event schedules, clinics,
movies, home layouts and swap meet, go to _www.oscalewest.com/osw2007.html_
(http://www.oscalewest.com/osw2007.html) and scroll down for information and
different web page links.
And don't forget to check out the 2007 OSW Newsletter.

This years Favorite Model Contest will be a combined 'O' and 'S' contest.
If you go, be sure to vote for your favorite 'S' scale model and give the 'O'
boys a run for their money!

Bill Young will be giving a clinic on his 'S' Scale Bascuel Bridge and Jerry
Porter will be giving a clinic on 'Helpful Hints on Designing & Building a
Model Railroad.'

Hotel reservations can be made by calling 1-800-233-1234 and be sure to
mention 'O' Scale West for the special room rate. Last day for special rates is
January 14. If you have any problems contact Rod Miller (number is on the
OSW home page shown above).

If you have any further questions, please contact me at
_Bullybullfrog@..._ (mailto:Bullybullfrog@...)

Hope to see you there,
Bill McClung
Colorado


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43024 From: guess Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: new member
Hi I am a new member to this group. I still have the American Flyer
train set that my Dad gave my brother and me for Christmas many years
ago. It came with track (of course), a 313 PRR steam engine, a 913
Great Northern boxcar, 919 CR & Q gondola, 926 Gulf Tank car, 940
Wabsh hopper, and a 930 aAF Lines caboose. It also has the whistle
billboard.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43025 From: George Cohn Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: Re: All Aboard Sets website
Chuck Harrington wrote:
>
>
> Um,
>
> We are confusing two different web sites here. Brad's http://
> www.allaboardsets.com has been hacked. The "All Aboard Sets Club",
> which is part of http://www.myflyertrains.org
> <http://www.myflyertrains.org> is thankfully still
> intact.
>
> I will see if I have an email address for Brad and send him a note.
>
> Later... Chuck

I went to his website and the hacker claims to be a Turkish hacker who
seems to hate France and makes all sorts of claims that they support
terrorism.

From the other info I was able to pull, it appears that he uses hosting
through yahoo and this hacker has found a way to compromise any of their
hosted sites. After a few seconds, it redirects to www.alcara.biz which
is registered through GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC and the owner of that site
uses an AOL address.

Rather than using free or cheap hosting, it's usually better for a
business to either use their own servers or host through a reliable
local company that takes measures to properly protect their servers from
hacking. Off my soapbox now....I've worked in IT for over 32 years. :-)

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 43026 From: ecphora123 Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: PRR K5
I just picked up a copy of fhe Feb/Mar O Gauge Railroading as there was
an article of interest on making a roll around creeper for working
under the layout. On the back cover is a beautiful picture of one of
only two PRR K5 locomotives. It is a pretty good side view of the
locomotive and tender. AC Gilbert's folks did a great job on their
version, but I love the tender stiping on the original tender as
pictured.

Gene Cimino
Group: S-Trains Message: 43027 From: G C Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} RMC
Ted,

As this month's article on PRR box cars is a continuation of last months, I suppose the current portion is more of interest as related to AF cars. I recently read that the AF cars as made by Gilbert reflected the later "modernized" car version. Sorry, I can't recall the reference. Am I correct here?

Gene Cimino
Group: S-Trains Message: 43028 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: RailKing MTH sawmill #23796
Just picked up this repro from MTH at th PLano Texas train show for
only $65.00. Had to force myself not to get it, but for that price I
had to get it. Finally a Local show with more s gauge. two local s
clubs had their layouts there ; Lone Star Flyer AC , and the other
dc scale layout from Dallas. GReat job on both layouts
Alan D Lambert






















t
Group: S-Trains Message: 43029 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: Re: new member
Welcome!!
Are you still running the ol' trains, or plan to?
Enjoy.

Rick.


Hi I am a new member to this group. I still have the American Flyer
train set that my Dad gave my brother and me for Christmas many years
ago. It came with track (of course), a 313 PRR steam engine, a 913
Great Northern boxcar, 919 CR & Q gondola, 926 Gulf Tank car, 940
Wabsh hopper, and a 930 aAF Lines caboose. It also has the whistle
billboard.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43030 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: Weekly S-Trains Chat Room, 1/14/2007, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Weekly S-Trains Chat Room
 
Date:   Sunday January 14, 2007
Time:   8:00 pm - 10:00 pm
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43031 From: Tim Benner Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: Derailing trouble with a 282
Hello all,

I brought a 282 home from a train show in Dayton today. It runs, it a
little noist. Maybe a set of brushes will take care of that. It
smokes great and was priced about right.

The trouble is that it will not transition from straight AF track to
curved. I can't see anything binding under there when it comes off
the track. I did notice that the wheels on the pilot truck are
freewheeling on the axles. My 303 doesn't do that and I don't
remember my 326 being like that either. So with the wheels free on
the axles the gauge also changes. Is this normal? Could this be the
problem?

Thanks for this group and for any tips youo might have.

Tim Benner
Dayton Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 43032 From: M.McConnell Date: 1/14/2007
Subject: All Aboard Sets website
Doug,

Their is an archive of all web sites called the "Wayback" machine.

If you try this link:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://allaboardsets.com

You will find a copy of the website as of May 19, 2006 which is still in
working order.

If whoever maintains the site still has access to it, they can d/l the
archive and restore it to their server.

Michael



>4a. All Aboard Sets website
> Posted by: "Doug Peck" doug@... portlines
> Date: Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:27 am ((PST))
>
>The AF [allaboardsets.com] website has apparently been hacked and
>replaced by an offensive foreign page. Does anyone know if the
>legitimate site has been moved to a new domain, or just vaporized????
>
>Doug Peck
Group: S-Trains Message: 43033 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] All Aboard Sets website
It looks like the only website
reference you need is:
http://allaboardsets.com/

the www takes you to the
foreign site.
http://www.allaboardsets.com/

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: M.McConnell
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 10:55 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] All Aboard Sets website


Doug,

Their is an archive of all web sites called the "Wayback" machine.

If you try this link:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://allaboardsets.com

You will find a copy of the website as of May 19, 2006 which is still in
working order.

If whoever maintains the site still has access to it, they can d/l the
archive and restore it to their server.

Michael

.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43034 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: Re: Derailing trouble with a 282
****((((The trouble is that it will not transition from straight AF track to
curved. I can't see anything binding under there when it comes off
the track. I did notice that the wheels on the pilot truck are
freewheeling on the axles. My 303 doesn't do that and I don't
remember my 326 being like that either. So with the wheels free on
the axles the gauge also changes. Is this normal? Could this be the
problem?)))****

Hi Tim,
After MY problem with my 282, I started looking at my other locos. Some pilot truck wheels
are free spinning on the axles an some are fixed to the axle. Steve from SnS emailed me stating
the same thing.
I apologize, but I can't remember who emailed me and told me about gluing the wheels, due too
they get worn out and have too much play/slop, allowing the gauge to be out, therefore
the pilot truck comes off the track.
I glued only two wheels as I mentioned in my earliar post, and that took care of the problem.

Rick.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43035 From: Bradley Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: All Aboard Sets Website
Sometime over the last few days someone hacked into my All Aboard
Website and replaced it with a nasty political message. Nothing was
destroyed except the html page. As soon as I can get that rebuilt the
site will be up and running again. I had no idea anything had happened
until I saw the posts on this site. Thanks!

Brad
(belairchevy@...)
Group: S-Trains Message: 43036 From: Randy Griggs Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: Paul Yorke'a Site
Tom,

Paul upgraded the software on his WEB site and the URL references were changed. If you go to:
http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/s-vendors/Stoltz/
you should not have any more problems. NOTE: If you add "main.php" between "albums/v" the problem will go away!
That is, if you change all old URL references from: "...albums/v..." to "...albums/main.php/v..." everything will work as it did.
Regards, Randy Griggs

2.

Paul Yorke's site
Posted by: "Thomas Stoltz" tstoltz@... tcalvin48
Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:55 am (PST)
Is anyone else having trouble with Paul Yorke's S-trains site? I haven't
heard anything about it here. What I get is an error message when
attempting to access various albums.

Tom Stoltz

Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork
Maine S Gaugers
NASG

http://s-scale.org/albums/v/s-vendors/Stoltz/



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43037 From: Paul Yorke Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: Fwd: Paul Yorke's site (Photo Albums)
After a recent upgrade all the 'shortcut' urls have been changed.
Use the links below to figure out your new 'shortcut' url.

Friends Page
http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/

Top Page
http://s-scale.org/albums/

Tom's Page
http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/s-vendors/Stoltz/

Sorry about the confusion.

Paul


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43038 From: jshannon148 Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
I currently run on Gilbert track in rubber roadbed with a small nail
through the occasional tie. I am planning on switching to flextrack
to improve the realism.

Do most people glue the track down? Nothing in my world is
permanent, so if I wanted to make a change to a glued layout, does
the track and/or homosote roadbed get destroyed?

Does the homosote require ballasting both between the rails and
outside the rails? I assume you cover the roadbed with a thin layer
of white glue and sprinkle the ballast on the glue surface?

Thanks.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> In fact, yellow glue will release when soaked with rubbing
alcohol. I have
> even used that process to remove ballast held down with dilute,
yellow glue.
>
>
>
> You have many choices.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> Reply from Bill Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> Donald Thompson
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 9:15 PM
> To: Marty.Thorin
> Cc: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
>
>
>
> For all flex track (ours included) I use Elmer's white glue if
there
> is any chance I will want to move it some day. If you want it to
be
> permanent, I use Elmer's yellow carpenters glue. I just glob on
the
> bottom of the ties and then use push pins between the ties to hold
it
> down while the glue dries. If you are worried about it ever coming
up,
> you can use spikes on either side of the triangular web to hold it
> secure once the glue has dried (I have never spiked, but you
could).
> The ballast will cover the spike heads.
>
> Marty.Thorin wrote:
>
> > Good evening:
> > How do you attach S-Helper's plastic ties to Homabed? (Homabed
> > is preformed Homasote.) I hope to attach the track tomorrow
morning
> > (Sunday).
> >
> > Thorin
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> _,_._,___
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43039 From: David Engle Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
Mr. Karnes and others so experienced will give you two major steps: One, Sand your homodont surfaces to plane-smooth before you cover them. Two; lay on a coat of latex paint to serve as a moisture barrier, apparently the stuff can absorb moister and swell some under the right conditions. The stuff they sell for that in this area also has a high rate of dust incidence, almost pesky--there are times a vacuum-equipped cutter, etc., is badly needed.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43040 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: NO DAMAGE
Group: S-Trains Message: 43041 From: Bradley Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: All Aboard Website Up And Running Again
The All Aboard Scenic Panel Webpage is up and running again after being
hacked. I was able to replace the html page quickly by using the
archive site suggested by posts on this site. The Scenic Panel Page is
on Arishost who told me that several of their sites had been hacked in
the last few days. At any rate it's all back together and I would like
to thank the folks who posted here and sent me emails to let me know
that the site had been hacked. For those of you who follow the weather
around the country, we are having a real heat wave here in Denver
today. It's 12 degrees and no snow! Maybe the 3 feet piled up in my
yard will start to melt now. This is wonderful model railroad weather.

Brad
Group: S-Trains Message: 43042 From: Phil K Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: Re: NO DAMAGE
Jeez, Bob. I have to assume this particular wagon never had one because
our eBay "friendly friend" says there is NO DAMAGE.

If he reads this, he'll probably call it a "factory protoype" and raise
his reserve. LOL


Phil K


*******************************************************
"ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> wrote:
>
> WHERES THE REAR HOOK PIECE?????? BOB
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-S-CIRCUS-WAGON-ORIGINAL-
ALLIED_W0QQitemZ180072847645QQihZ008QQcategoryZ480QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?
hash=item180072847645
Group: S-Trains Message: 43043 From: colleenandrob Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: 970 Walking brakeman
I bought a 970 Walking Brakeman car for a song. It was missing the
wheels which I had in my parts can. I took the car apart and found the
rotating adjuster handle was disconnected and that was an easy fix.
The car looks very, very clean and untouched inside and I look at the
parts list in my reference book and all parts are present. The felt(?)
pads on the platform the man attaches to is in fine shape as is the pad
the man vibrates on. The car was missing the man but I know I can get
one. Now the car was put to power and the vibrator ..vibrated but the
platform that runs back and forth move a bit but never did turn around
and the noise put out by the vibrator is very loud. Am I right in
assuming that all these cars are this way?...loud and barely workable?

Any tricks I can try? weights?

Thanks to all!
Rob
Group: S-Trains Message: 43044 From: G C Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
A bit back the Sn3 folks talked a lot about cutting homosote. Anyone here try a knife blade type cutter in a jig saw?

Gene Cimino


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43045 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: Re: NO DAMAGE
Bob,

Please leave my good friend, Mr. Wilson alone.

He only sells genuine AF items with no repro parts or damage.

Why don't you email him and ask him about the hook. LOL

No, Mr. Wilson is a (fill in the blank yourself)_____.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil K
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 3:36 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NO DAMAGE


Jeez, Bob. I have to assume this particular wagon never had one because
our eBay "friendly friend" says there is NO DAMAGE.

If he reads this, he'll probably call it a "factory protoype" and raise
his reserve. LOL

Phil K

*******************************************************
"ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> wrote:
>
> WHERES THE REAR HOOK PIECE?????? BOB
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-S-CIRCUS-WAGON-ORIGINAL-
ALLIED_W0QQitemZ180072847645QQihZ008QQcategoryZ480QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?
hash=item180072847645





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43046 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: Re: NO DAMAGE
i am beginning to enjoy this thread....... bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Phil K
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NO DAMAGE


Bob,

Please leave my good friend, Mr. Wilson alone.

He only sells genuine AF items with no repro parts or damage.

Why don't you email him and ask him about the hook. LOL

No, Mr. Wilson is a (fill in the blank yourself)_____.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil K
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 3:36 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NO DAMAGE

Jeez, Bob. I have to assume this particular wagon never had one because
our eBay "friendly friend" says there is NO DAMAGE.

If he reads this, he'll probably call it a "factory protoype" and raise
his reserve. LOL

Phil K

*******************************************************
"ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> wrote:
>
> WHERES THE REAR HOOK PIECE?????? BOB
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-S-CIRCUS-WAGON-ORIGINAL-
ALLIED_W0QQitemZ180072847645QQihZ008QQcategoryZ480QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?
hash=item180072847645

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43047 From: Lance McCold Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: S-scale (approximately) cars at Tors"R"Us
I hope I am not repeating something others have reported. I recently dropped into the local TRU and found house brand die cast cars, FastLane. They are pretty good quality. They have see-through windows and molded (black) interiors. I took one a part and found it would not be too difficult to paint the interiors or install figures--if you were so inclined. The wheels are pretty basic.

The best part is the price, $0.59 ea or two for $1.00. It does not get much better than this. Some of them are pretty fanciful. Some are pretty garish paint jobs. But, some are reasonably close to what you might actually see on the road.

Happy hunting.

Lance McCold
Knoxville, TN
Group: S-Trains Message: 43048 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: Re: NO DAMAGE
You should of enjoyed my emails between Mr. Wilson and me about the flat car he sold me with repro pipes. LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Phil K ; Michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NO DAMAGE


i am beginning to enjoy this thread....... bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Phil K
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NO DAMAGE


Bob,

Please leave my good friend, Mr. Wilson alone.

He only sells genuine AF items with no repro parts or damage.

Why don't you email him and ask him about the hook. LOL

No, Mr. Wilson is a (fill in the blank yourself)_____.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil K
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 3:36 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NO DAMAGE

Jeez, Bob. I have to assume this particular wagon never had one because
our eBay "friendly friend" says there is NO DAMAGE.

If he reads this, he'll probably call it a "factory protoype" and raise
his reserve. LOL

Phil K

*******************************************************
"ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> wrote:
>
> WHERES THE REAR HOOK PIECE?????? BOB
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-S-CIRCUS-WAGON-ORIGINAL-
ALLIED_W0QQitemZ180072847645QQihZ008QQcategoryZ480QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?
hash=item180072847645

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43049 From: Phil K Date: 1/15/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
> A bit back the Sn3 folks talked a lot about cutting homosote.
Anyone here try a knife blade type cutter in a jig saw?
>
> Gene Cimino


Gene --

Having a full-blown woodshop [known as "Power Tool Heaven"] in the
room next to my layout room, it was one of the first things I tried.
I quickly found out the problem is the thickness of the blade in a
jig or sabre saw is much fatter (for strength) than that of a razor
blade knife.

After you cut a short distance into the piece, the kerf (notch)
starts closing up on the blade and it binds -- stopping it from
cutting. That's because a blade does not remove any material --
like a saw blade does.

I got the same result trying to cut 2-inch structural foam
to lay the base for mountains on my layout using an electrice carving
knife.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 43050 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: Gene Cimino
Gene,

The email I send you bounces back, says the Yahoho.com host is not
responding and the phone number in the NASG Directory is not working.

Please contact me off list.

Thanks,

Tom Stoltz



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43051 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: Re: 970 Walking brakeman
Loud yes but my guy ran across the roof. Tom



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43052 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: web site help
Thank you to all who replied to my request for help with Paul's site. The
new URL works well, but I still have trouble if I follow the links.

Tom Stoltz



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43053 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: Re: ELECTRIC NORMAN
Anyone have the web site or web address for ELECTRIC NORMAN So Cal TTOS
members should know him from the TTOS meets. Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43054 From: Marty.Thorin Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: Re: S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
Good afternoon:
Before I started, I soldered three sections of the flex track
together to make a single piece 120 inches long.
Don Thomson recommended I glue the track down with white glue.
Edward Sauers recommended spiking the track down, in pre-drilled holes.
What I did was a combination of both. S Helper flex track has a web
between the ties in the middle. This makes a tie strip. I spiked down
the web every 16th tie web with code 220 spikes my father gave me.
These are huge and can double as S-scale tent stakes. (I did not
predrilled the holes.) I then went back and poured white glue between
about every 6th to 8th tie. I applied the glue much more liberally
where the bridge is to open. I hit every single tie and even covering
some of the spikes which I had not planned to do. If I later apply
ballast, it will be held down with diluted white glue then every tie
will be glued.
Yesterday I ran my first trains over it. It runs great. Soon I
will get out my brand-new razor saw. (Anyone know where the three I
already own are?) I will cut the track and Homabed at both ends of the
bridge. Then, for the first time in a couple of weeks, I will open the
bridge.
But before I can cut the track, I have to do some minimal wiring.
Right now the layout is fed by the rails, both east and west, from one
track connection near the power-pack. I need to run a bus from the
track on the left side of the bridge, over the doorway, and back to the
track on the right side of the bridge. I also need to power the bridge
track using flexible, stranded wire. Then I can cut the track. So I
figure I am still a couple of working sessions away from cutting the
track.

Thorin


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43055 From: Phil K Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: Laying flextrack
What has also worked for me is a dab of hot glue every few ties, but you have to work sorta quick. Holds well, easy to remove. Then when
I'm satisfied with the location, I use half-inch spikes on the rails
to hold it in place (Hososote base). I usually throw a few extra spikes
on the outside rail on curves, too, because I sometimes like to run
heavy Flyer Northerns at toy train speed.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 43056 From: G C Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: Re: S-scale (approximately) cars at Tors"R"Us
Lance,

what time period is the prototype for the cars.

Thanks,

Gene
Group: S-Trains Message: 43057 From: Jerry Matsick Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: Electric Norman
Anromal asked for website: www.electricnorman.com or www.electric
normans.com

Jerry M
Group: S-Trains Message: 43058 From: buzzybobcat03 Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: mikado 2-8-2----6-48042
hi,my uncle just bought a new mikado southern,,he ran it for about
10min,he does not want to buy the tmcc for it,to listen to it,,,he is
nuts,,it is brand new mint ..he wants to sell it .. any one
interested,,?below cost number6-48042 southern,, i would buy it but
iam more into o scale,,
Group: S-Trains Message: 43059 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: Re: S-scale (approximately) cars at Tors"R"Us
I stopped by a large Toys-R-Us (in Atlanta) at lunch today and they
had a number of these cars. They were all late model - 2000 and
newer. Price was $0.59 each or pack of two for $0.99. So the price
is right but they will not fit in my 1960's layout unless I have
a "Cars of the Future Show" - hahaha!!!

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote:
>
> Lance,
>
> what time period is the prototype for the cars.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gene
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43060 From: Phil K Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: Memberships up
Just a note that our little family is at its highest membership level
ever -- 1330 members strong, and growing.

"S -- the scale that just would not die!"

Thanks, A.C. <GRIN>

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 43061 From: Don McGinnis Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
Yes-sir-ee. I've made "lots" of cuts using a knife blade. ALL the homasote on my 3 level
HO RR built in the late 80's to mid 90's was cut that way.

One thing you want to do is have lots of blades on hand. The blade gets dull 'real fast'
after about 6 cuts. During our construction when we were short of blades, I would put our
heaviest worker (a guy 6'2" and about 300 lbs) behind the jig saw. The blade was
becoming so dull, it was "burning" its way through the homasote. There's nothing better
than the smell of burnt homasote in your basement. The Mrs. upstairs will just love it :->
(Yea...right) But a new blade works really well. For me...this is the only way to go.

Don

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote:
>
> A bit back the Sn3 folks talked a lot about cutting homosote. Anyone here try a knife
blade type cutter in a jig saw?
>
> Gene Cimino
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.
> Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta.
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43062 From: Trains Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
Hi all,

Yes I have, and it works great, as long as the blade stays sharp, the homosote tends to dull blade, also can run hot and start smoking if pushed to fast ...ruins temper of blade....let saw do the work. The best part is the reduction in copius amounts of dust that is generated by saw blades, as an alternative a fine toothed blade (the more teath the better) will also work well in a jig saw type applications. For long straight pieces or sections you want to cross-cut to make flexible lengths (in halfs-split down center of track line), I prefer a table saw with a dust catcher and a "veneer/plywood" (the more teeth the better) type blade...once again slowly does it so blade does not get too hot. Be sure to wear a protective dust mask and safety glasses...Homosote is made from recycled paper products and somtimes has metal/glass particles imbedded in it.

Hope this is helpfull to you and others,

Peter Loeb

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43063 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: Re: ELECTRIC NORMAN
OK I called them. Norman & Blanch are in Reedsport.
Their E-Mail is: _Electricnorman@..._
(mailto:Electricnorman@...) . This is their E-Mail Their Web site is down right now. I have met
them at many TTOS meets & are some of the BEST in the electrical parts area.
The only thing is Norman was a Lionel guy(Employee) & most of his stuff is
Lionel. Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43064 From: Randy Burton Date: 1/16/2007
Subject: Re: belts slipping off Lionel #789 Baggage Smasher
Ok, I'm answering my own question. I finally got back around to fixing this. Two 15 cent washers from Lowe's, and baggage is getting smashed again.

I removed the plastic plate that holds the sprockets and attached one washer to the top of each sprocket. The washer is the same size as the sprocket wheels, if you measure to the outside of the sprockets. This means that the knuckles on the belt that go between the sprockets on the sprocket wheel are inside the diameter of the washer that I Superglued onto the top of the sprocket. This is just enough overlap to prevent the belt from slipping off the sprocket wheel.

For 30 cents, it's fixed!

Happy railroading!

Randy Burton


belts slipping off Lionel #789 Baggage Smasher
Posted by: "Randy Burton" BurtonRA@... vtburtonra
Tue Nov 7, 2006 4:51 pm (PST)
I have a relatively new #789 Lionel Baggage Smasher. The drive belt
keeps coming off the sprocket wheel - the large belt that the moving
man attaches to - not the smaller belt that connects to the motor
driven sprocket (that one is ok).

I ordered a new drive belt from Lionel, and installed it - same
result, even the new belt keeps slowly riding up the sprocket and
then comes off. This usually happens within a couple of round trips
for the man with the cart.

Has anyone else had this problem and solved it?

I'm considering getting a thin washer, with a diameter slightly
larger than the sprocket, and attaching it to the top. It looks to
me like there is enough clearence between the top of the sprocket
wheels and the bottom of the platform to still have the wire
connecting to the man with the cart clear the washer. I could also
stand off the connections where the 3 screws attach the belt
assembly to the station with another thin washer.

Before I try this, I though I'd check for any other suggestions out
there.

Thanks for any suggestions!

Randy Burton
BurtonRA@...


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43065 From: david bradley Date: 1/17/2007
Subject: Re: belts slipping off Lionel #789 Baggage Smasher
I didn't remove the wheel set, just dunked the LC end in the water. No regrets, still working well although not as well as the LC I replaced with newest type plastics .

>I found your post by doing a search on white and link. You had the
very same problem I am now confronted with on cars that have been in
storage for 34 years. As I understand it, you boiled the couplers
and wheels in water for 1 1/2 minutes and it removed the white and
freed up the coupler.
>That was in early 2006, any regrets almost a year later?

If you need to remove the wheels, seperate the trucks a little and slide them out. If you need to remove the truck, then you can drill or press out the rivet. Replacement rivets/rivet tool are available from dealers, i.e. Portlines. If you are not too concerned about restoration then a small machine screw with a nylock nut works.

>A couple of related questions:
>I've never removed a wheel set. Most of them appear to be rivited
on. Do you drill out the rivet?

There are sometimes brass rivets in the corners, sometimes melted plastic tits. If you seperate the chassis, then re-rivet, screw or glue it back together.

>On the box cars, the box seems to be held onto the frame in all four
corners, how can I separate the box from the frame in order to
reinstall the wheel set?

>What is the preferred method to re-attach the wheel set?

Thanks,
John
Pittsburgh, PA

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "winchester54947"
<winchester54947@...> wrote:
>
> I want to thank all the AF professors for the great info recently
> regarding freeing stuck LC. I had tried everthing and resolved to
> replacement.
> One thing that stuck in my mind was the 160F melting temperature
of
> Stearic acid. So I boiled some broken couplers for a test and they
> didn't melt. I just now took a sacrificial Ebay 631 gondola with
> whitened and hopelessly frozen couplers (the kind that need pliars
to
> rotate)and agitated it rapidly for a minute and a half in a pan of
> boiling water. Problem Solved.
> Note: I now recommend using an old coffee can, It leaves a
remarkable
> amount of scum in the pan. And the T&P is now disinfected too ;-)
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43066 From: Mark Preman Date: 1/17/2007
Subject: Is The Digest Still Functioning?
Hello, are you out there? I have not received a digest in several days. Is there a malfunction or have you done away with your list sponsor? Mark

Mark B. Preman
AmericanFlyerTrains.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 43067 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 1/17/2007
Subject: NASG HI RAIL SIG
Some of you may have read
in the NASG Dispatch magazine
that the NASG has started SIGs
(Special Interest Groups).
No one has stepped forward to
manage such a SIG for
Hi Railers and American Flyer
Collectors. There seems to be
interest and a manager for such
a SIG among S/Sn3 Scalers.

I believe most High Railers
and American Flyer collectors
are satisfied with The DISPATCH,
S-Gaugian, Classic Toy Trains,
NASG membership,
TCA membership,
TTOS membership and
local club activities.

A Hi Rail SIG within the
NASG would define this
segment of modelers with
a membership in the SIG
for $5.00, a quarterly
newsletter and other
benefits as outlined in
the Dispatch.

Any comment or interest?

Glenn


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43068 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/17/2007
Subject: Fw: Train things, Neil Young
This is something I sent to the TCA list.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: Toy Trains
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:34 PM
Subject: Train things, Neil Young


As a Neil Young fan and him being a TCA member, I just wanted to write about some train things from his latest CD, Prairie Wind, which was also a independent film concert in Nashville, TN, at the Ryman Auditorium, better know as the location of the Grand Old Opry,at one time.

Neil probably had his current copy of the TCA Quarterly with him for any down time he had, if any, when doing the film. O:)!

In his new CD, he has a song titled "This Old Guitar" which can relate to us owning trains, whether the ones we got as kids, so long ago or through places like trains shows, ebay, etc. I have heard many say, that we are just the current care takers of these material things in life, that they will be passed on to the next "care taker", hopefully to be treated like they way we treated them, when we own them. Neil has a guitar, that he has own for 30 some years, that used belong to Hank Williams, Sr. He uses this guitar in the Prairie Wind DVD, as you can see, where the hand has worn down the finish of the guitar, above and below the sound hole of the guitar.

The lyrics to the song is very interesting, that I want to share with you. As you read them, apply them to your trains or anything we own in life.

"This Old Guitar"

This old guitar ain't mine to keep
Just taking care of it now
It's been around for years and years
Just waiting in its old case
It's been up and down the country roads
It's brought a tear and a smile
It's seen its share of dreams and hopes
And never went out of style
The more I play it, the better it sounds
It cries when I leave it alone
Silently it waits for me
Or someone else I suppose

This old guitar
This old guitar
This old guitar

This old guitar has caught some breaks
But it never searched for gold
It can't be blamed for my mistakes
It only does what it's told
It's been a messenger in times of trouble
In times of hope and fear
When I get drunk and seeing double
It jumps behind the wheel and steers

This old guitar ain't mine to keep
It's mine to play for a while
This old guitar ain't mine to keep
It's only mine for a while

This old guitar
This old guitar
This old guitar
This old guitar
This old guitar
This old guitar
This old guitar


Another song on the DVD and CD has a mention of a train, as the theme of many of the songs is the Prairie.

"It's A Dream"

In the morning when I wake up and listen to the sound
Of the birds outside on the roof
I try to ignore what the paper says
And I try not to read all the news
And I'll hold you if you had a bad dream
And I hope it never comes true
'Cause you and I been through so many things together
And the sun starts climbing the roof

It's a dream
Only a dream
And it's fading now
Fading away
It's only a dream
Just a memory without anywhere to stay

The Red River stills flows through my home town
Rollin' and tumblin' on its way
Swirling around the old bridge pylons
Where a boy fishes the morning away
His bicycle leans on an oak tree
While the cars rumble over his head
An aeroplane leaves a trail in an empty blue sky
And the young birds call out to be fed

It's a dream
Only a dream
And it's fading now
Fading away
It's only a dream
Just a memory without anywhere to stay

An old man walks along on the sidewalk
Sunglasses and an old Stetson hat
The four winds blow the back of his overcoat away
As he stops with the policeman to chat
And a train rolls out of the station
That was really somethin' in its day
Picking up speed on the straight prairie rails
As it carries the passengers away

It's gone
Only a dream
And it's fading now
Fading away
Only a dream
Just a memory without anywhere to stay

It's a dream
Only a dream
And it's fading now
Fading away
It's only a dream
Just a memory without anywhere to stay

It's a dream
Only a dream
And it's fading now
Fading away


And lastly on the movie set on the stage there are different backdrops used. One is of the Prairie and one is of inside of a house, with a fireplace, comfy chair (thanks to Monty Python skit, the Comfy Chair) and a cat. But on the backdrop for the Prairie, you see a train, steam engine, with the smoke and a line of cars. My wife noticed that first! O:)! I think that train is really a American Flyer S gauge train, since it is on two rails not three, like the track used by Lionel!

Anyway, a very enjoyable DVD and CD, as you get to see that Neil is a pretty down to earth type of person.

I still hope to meet him at York someday, as I keep missing him among the 15,000 lunatics, LOL, but his bus stands out. I did get to meet some of his crew with his son Ben the last time he was at York for the meet.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43069 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/17/2007
Subject: Question about set values
Many of the books give values for the "Flyonel" items in "new"
or "Mint" condition.

So just out of curiosity what is the consensus of the group for
appropriate deduction when a set has been run, but is still in "like
new" condition.


Is this a 10% deduction from "mint" or less or more?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43070 From: WEG138@aol.com Date: 1/17/2007
Subject: Re: Buildings for layouts
I've just returned from Pet Smart. While there I saw aquarium buildings
including bridges, covered bridges,castles, tropical island shacks, submarines,
ships, and other scenery that looked like it would be appropriate for an S
gauge layout. Has anyone tried to use aquarium decorations? What is your feeling
about this usage? Thanks!

Bill Greaves


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43071 From: Jerry Poniatowski Date: 1/17/2007
Subject: Re: belts slipping off Lionel #789 Baggage Smasher
David,

If you need to remove a box car floor from the shell, I would suggest
using a soldering iron to GENTLY heat the brass rivets in the corners
(one end at a time) and using a plastic wedge, separate the floor from
the body. Be careful on the ammount of heat, it isn't much. Doing so
like this will leave no marks if you're careful, and the rivets can be
used again to attach the floor. Most of the time, however, a car can
be cleaned well enough without disassembly of the floor from the body.
Wheelsets can be removed as was suggested, and trucks can be replaced
as well. The important thing is to have fun with these trains.
That's why A.C. made them.

Jerry Poniatowski
Wayne, MI



>
> There are sometimes brass rivets in the corners, sometimes melted
plastic tits. If you seperate the chassis, then re-rivet, screw or
glue it back together.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43072 From: Mike Valentine Date: 1/17/2007
Subject: New guy with questions
I'm recently getting back into S-scale. It's the size I grew up with
(A/F)and it always seemed "just right". Just starting out and already
realizing things have changed a lot. While I eventually want to get
into serious s-scale modeling for right now I am looking at a small 2
train layout that will let the grandkids experience what I did as a
child. For ease of use I have decided to start with new American
Flyer. I have one set, complete with Railsounds, TMCC capable,etc. I
have the TMCC base and cab controller. Some newbie questions;

1) What would be a good power source/transformer for a 2 train
approx. 6'x10' layout with several powered accessories, lights,etc.?
The layout I had previously was HO and I still have the DC power
sources which I can use for much of the building/street lighting.

2) Where can I get track? My set came with just the engine and
rolling stock and I don't seem to be able to find anyone that sells
track locally. They all carry plenty of Lionel 3 rail but nothing for
the Lionel A/F trains.

3) What else beside the TMCC cab controller and the base unit do I
need to hook it up to the track, and how does it hook up?

4) Can anyone reccomend any good books/articles/websites where might
get some additional beginner instruction?

I realize that some of this may seem pretty basic but I am gaining
knowledge every day from this group and I would really appreciate
some basic help.

Regards,
Mike V
Group: S-Trains Message: 43073 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 1/18/2007
Subject: Springettsbury Fire Hall Train Show in York April 16-17 & 18 2007
To all respected members of this list,

As you all may well know, Barry King and I are promoting the Reliance fire
hall shows at York. We have been over sold since our taking the venue over,
and have been trying to open up another location, which brings me to the
reason why I have forwarded this to all of you.

On the east side of York near the junction of Mt. Zion Rd and Rte 462
(Market St) is where the Springettsbury Fire Hall is located. This fire hall is
situated just outside the city boundaries in a busy shopping district with
plenty of access and parking with the Home Depot right next door. I like this
hall better than the Reliance.

The only downside to setting up here is if you are in "S" is that there
won't be a lot of "S" people there with product to sell. You will have to look
at tables of Lionel, Marx and the like.

The upsides of being here:
York's East side-more affluent area
More local traffic
Larger Hall, better lit and more access for unloading and food on the
premises.
Larger parking lot, with Home Depot lot adjacent
Fine dining (and fast food) nearby
Quick on and off Rt.30

We have some commitments already and we are looking forward to opening this
hall in the spring. If you or anyone you know is looking for table space,
please contact either of us for details.

I personally guarantee you that we will promote this show with the same
ferocity as we did in promoting the Reliance show. I further guarantee that
attendance here will be as good as the Reliance.

Call me toll-free if you wish @ 888-494-5821 10am-midnight 7 days a week

Thank-you for your time,

Fred






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Group: S-Trains Message: 43074 From: Chris Date: 1/18/2007
Subject: Re: New guy with questions
"Mike Valentine" <ohioflyer@...> wrote:
>I'm recently getting back into S-scale.
>For ease of use I have decided to start with new American Flyer.
>I have one set, complete with Railsounds, TMCC capable.
>I have the TMCC base and cab controller.

> 1) What would be a good power source/transformer for a 2 train
> approx. 6'x10' layout with several powered accessories.
> The layout I had previously was HO and I still have the DC power
> sources which I can use for much of the building/street lighting.

> 2) Where can I get track? I don't seem to be able to find anyone
> that sells track locally.

> 3) What else beside the TMCC cab controller and the base unit do I
> need to hook it up to the track, and how does it hook up?

> 4) Can anyone reccomend any good books/articles/websites where
> might get some additional beginner instruction?

Hi Mike:
Welcome back to your childhood. Nice start with a modern TMCC set.
On a 6x10 layout, most legacy AF or Lionel transformers would
suffice, though, for future expansion you might consider a larger
unit. A 30B, which has dual train controls, can be purchased on e-
Bay or from a train show seller. I bought a refurbished one for
$125 from a transformer specialist at a local show. Modern
transformers are not permitted, thanks to overweaning safety
regulations, to deliver the level of power of a 30B or a ZW, but
older units are still available. Some need reworking, particularly
the power cords which dry up and crack. If you buy an old one, have
a friend who knows small appliances look it over for you.

You also can get the power bricks that Lionel sells to mate to the
TMCC system. In fact, these will keep the system all unified. They
will have more than enough power and they will obviate the need for
the TMCC jumper wire which you will need to buy to use any other
transformer with your system. To see all the requirements for TMCC,
and to understand the system better, I suggest you navigate to Carl
Tuveson's website. http://www.tuveson.com/ A lot of your questions
will be answered there.

Using your old HO power packs for lights will be fine, though you
won't be able to control them with the TMCC. That might be just
fine.

Track, Wow; now here's a place where things have changed. Though
you can still buy heritage Flyer track, usually on e-Bay or at train
meets, it has become ridiculously expensive, considering its
condition and age. Just the rubber roadbed, without track, has sold
for 7-8 dollars a section. People bid it up, and I just don't get
it. Lionel took over production of Flyer track from K-Line, who had
the license. The K-Line came in 54" circles as well as the
traditional radius, but it had a tendency to rust easily. If you
currently have no track, then don't buy old Flyer. For about the
same money, you can buy into one of the modern track systems, the
nicest of which is the S-Helper system. Currently, it will exactly
replace (in length and radius) the Flyer track, thus allowing people
with older systems to switch over without modification. We have
heard rumors that different radii and turnouts are coming, so you
will be able to expand later. If you do get into serious scale
modeling, the pre-roadbedded track looks like real and models 155lb.
mainline. They also sell a flex version which mates with the
sectional. To go see it: www.showcaseline.com.

As you cruise the Internet, you will gain a wealth of knowledge on S-
Scale trains. This mail list is a great jumping off point. It also
is a terrific island to swim back to in case you are drowning in a
sea of information. We love decoding the mess. E-Bay has a whole
section on S-Scale. Seeing the products and reading the
descriptions will teach you a great deal, even if what they're
offering isn't such a great deal. S-Helper has a number of
informational articles (website listed above) as does Port Lines
www.portlines.com , Doug Peck's site. Each of the S-clubs that
maintain sites have articles and info. The Bristol S-Gaugers,
Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Association, South Jersey S Gaugers,
Badgerland S Gaugers, Chicagoland Association of S Gaugers, for
instance. The NASG (Nat'l Association of S Gaugers) ties the groups
together and provides some educational resources. www.nasg.org.
Trainweb, www.trainweb.org , references all these and more, and they
will have links to so many more.

Good luck, keep us posted. I'm sure I won't be the only reply.
Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 43075 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 1/18/2007
Subject: Fwd: Springettsbury Fire Hall Train Show in York April 16-17 & 18 2
Hello again,

Another upside fact that I forgot to mention...There are no vendors taxes at
this location. All you need to have is a PA Sales Tax license. A temporary
or permanent license is acceptable and easily obtained. We can help you
with the process.


Thanks again,

Fred


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43076 From: G C Date: 1/18/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
Thanks Dave for your response on the homosote. I understand you can kerf the stuff as well so it bends around curves.

Gene


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43077 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/18/2007
Subject: Margaret Truman
You must be wondering what does Margaret Truman have to do with trains, the only child of President Harry Truman.

Well, let me tell you.

I am currently reading David McCullough book on Harry Truman. Amazing things about him, as I am 51, so I do not know much about him, as in school, only the basic where taught, like how he become President and the election of 48. You might be surprise, those of us baby boomers, to learn of his start in life and then to become President of the United States.

Anyway, Truman, who played Piano, got his daughter for one Christmas a Steinway Grand Baby Piano and they were not that wealthy. Margaret did not appreciate the gift of this piano, as she dreamed of getting a electric train. O:)! Probably a Lionel most likely, but I am sure she did not appreciate the look of the 3 rail "unrealistic" track. I know she would of been a American Flyer fan, had it been around in S, at the time. She would of loved the AF Cow On Track accessory, since her family were farmers. This passage is on page 192. The book itself only has 1000 pages.

So, I here by nominate Ms. Margaret Truman to be a honorary TCA lifetime member, as she at age 82 is still alive. But I do need a second signature on the application. Any volunteers?

It also stated in the book that Harry loved to watch trains go by.

But, how many of you know of a song, "Harry Truman" done by a famous group in 1975. Name the group, might be easy, but name the title of the hit song from that LP, remember those, as this LP was one of the first 8 track tape I got for my new Jenson 8 track tape player I installed in my 1973 Ford Maverick (2,200 with AC and Automatic) in 1975. The group had a train related name that they used, only to be forced to change it by the city they copied it. And no, it was not Grand Funk Railroad! What was the original name, as it related to trains, subways to be more exact. Just like my 8 track player, as I turned down getting a cassette version, 8 tracks and American Flyer did not do too well in the public eye after while. At least I never had a Beta video machine!!!!

Send your emails to TCA to have Ms. Truman (Mrs. Daniels) to inducted in the TCA!!!!

Thank you,

Mike Marmer
Margaret Truman Train Fan Club

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43078 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/18/2007
Subject: Re: Margaret Truman
MIKE...... Many years ago, around 1983, I attended a meet here in Florida ( TCA )..... A man had a trunk full of American Flyer Trains...... all very neatly packed and most in thier boxes..... all were 1946 vintage..... He told the story that these had belonged to Truman while he was in the White House..... I don't remember how he aquired them..... But I wished I had gotten them...... I don't think anyone was even interested in them at that time..... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:46 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Margaret Truman


You must be wondering what does Margaret Truman have to do with trains, the only child of President Harry Truman.

Well, let me tell you.

I am currently reading David McCullough book on Harry Truman. Amazing things about him, as I am 51, so I do not know much about him, as in school, only the basic where taught, like how he become President and the election of 48. You might be surprise, those of us baby boomers, to learn of his start in life and then to become President of the United States.

Anyway, Truman, who played Piano, got his daughter for one Christmas a Steinway Grand Baby Piano and they were not that wealthy. Margaret did not appreciate the gift of this piano, as she dreamed of getting a electric train. O:)! Probably a Lionel most likely, but I am sure she did not appreciate the look of the 3 rail "unrealistic" track. I know she would of been a American Flyer fan, had it been around in S, at the time. She would of loved the AF Cow On Track accessory, since her family were farmers. This passage is on page 192. The book itself only has 1000 pages.

So, I here by nominate Ms. Margaret Truman to be a honorary TCA lifetime member, as she at age 82 is still alive. But I do need a second signature on the application. Any volunteers?

It also stated in the book that Harry loved to watch trains go by.

But, how many of you know of a song, "Harry Truman" done by a famous group in 1975. Name the group, might be easy, but name the title of the hit song from that LP, remember those, as this LP was one of the first 8 track tape I got for my new Jenson 8 track tape player I installed in my 1973 Ford Maverick (2,200 with AC and Automatic) in 1975. The group had a train related name that they used, only to be forced to change it by the city they copied it. And no, it was not Grand Funk Railroad! What was the original name, as it related to trains, subways to be more exact. Just like my 8 track player, as I turned down getting a cassette version, 8 tracks and American Flyer did not do too well in the public eye after while. At least I never had a Beta video machine!!!!

Send your emails to TCA to have Ms. Truman (Mrs. Daniels) to inducted in the TCA!!!!

Thank you,

Mike Marmer
Margaret Truman Train Fan Club

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43079 From: Chris Date: 1/18/2007
Subject: Re: Margaret Truman
Mr. Marmer:
I do believe that you are referring to "Chicago Transit Authority",
who did one album under that name and then did about a thousand more
as simply, "Chicago".

It's a wonder they run on time at the CTA, since nobody really knows
what time it is and one guy says it's 25 or 6 to four.

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 43080 From: Bret Date: 1/18/2007
Subject: American flyer parts for sale
hi folks

Just some parts for sale and would like to know if you need
anything.

322 drive assembly no motor
322 steam chest
322 SIB boiler with great silver lettering but has a chip in casting
on the front in the 5 o'clock position easily hidden by cowcatcher
assembly.
312 SIB boiler clean EX
312 cowcatcher all nubs EX
312 SIB boiler front EX
312 SIB Drive assembly
312 SIB Steam chest EX
312 Sib wiring harness
312 SIB motor and field will sell seperatly
2 4 pin female connectors
2 4 pin male connectors
1 steam chest for reading lines engines
I have 3 e-unit drums
2 sets of excellent used original e-unit fingers.
1 pair all types of brushes including smoke in tender and springs sold
as pairs
I will have some rebuilt boiler smoke units soon if anyone is
interested.
12 link coupler two axle trucks some with link couplers attached.
12 each non contact wheel sets for link and knuckle available
8 contact wheel sets for knuckle trucks
4 contact wheels for link
DO you need something that is not listed!!!! JUST ASK

shipping ranges START at 2.35 this includes insurance for each item
and to about 12.35 for all plus insurance on total
Group: S-Trains Message: 43081 From: lvtrainmeet Date: 1/18/2007
Subject: Nice train meet in allentown pa this weekend
Just would like to let everyone know that there is a train meet
> coming up in Allentown on Saturday January 20th and Sunday January
> 21st.Over 10,000 Square feet of Model and Toy Trains.Saturday will
> highlight Ho,N,Brass,Z with looking to be one of the biggest scale
> meets in the area.Sunday will highlight S,O,O-27,ON30, G and Standard
> Gauge. Both days will include, Railroadania including paper,photos,
> Schedules,Shirts, Repair and restoration parts plus more. There will
> be a little of all scales both days.Visit
> http://www.lehighvalleytrainmeet com
> for info. The show is at Merchants Square mall, 1901 S 12th st >
Allentown, PA 18103 I will see you there Kevin
Group: S-Trains Message: 43082 From: geep39 Date: 1/19/2007
Subject: LV Train Meet
Geez! I didn't know the operator was into trains! This is a smaller
meet, with the dealers a little bored, what with the holidays--may be
some good deals! Let us all know how it was!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43083 From: don@showcaseline.com Date: 1/19/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Intermodal container
Dear Alex,
We have several cases on order. The price we were told will be $39.95. I want to see how well they look in the SSA Gunderson and try them on the layout. We were told by our sales rep that future runs and future containers dependent on the sales for these. I hope they go quickly. So far here is a lot of interest in this item.
Best regards,
Don
>Would be nice if Tonkin would do a 20 footer as well. Any idea of price.
>cheers
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stan Stokrocki" <sscale@...>
>To: <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:06 PM
>Subject: {S-Scale List} Intermodal container
>
>
>> It looks like we are finally getting a standard 40 foot container in 1/64.
>> Unfortunately, it seems to be all-metal, but these should do well on the
>> bottom level of a doublestack. They are apparently due out soon (the
>> "2005"
>> in the URL seems to be related to a numbering system, not a year).
>>
>> http://www.tonkinreplicas.com/news/news2005.html
>>
>> Stan Stokrocki
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43084 From: David Engle Date: 1/19/2007
Subject: Re: Margaret Truman
Is this the ultimate "Closet Railfan" scenario?



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43085 From: colleenandrob Date: 1/19/2007
Subject: Basic question
Good morning everyone,

When cleaning AF cars from 40-50s is it just warm water or could I use
mild (deluted) dish soap and water? Can I go stronger or try anything
else.

As always thank you in advance for your help,
Rob
Group: S-Trains Message: 43086 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 1/19/2007
Subject: NASG HI RAIL SIG
Glenn wrote:" A Hi Rail SIG within the NASG would define this segment of
modelers with a membership in the SIG for $5.00, a quarterly newsletter and
other benefits as outlined in the Dispatch."

Glenn, where do I send the $5.00? You can sign me up today. I would be
willing to do some work for such a group, but I know I can't commit to too
much because of other obligations, still count me in.

As for happy with other groups. I'm not sure why I keep my membership in
TCA. For me, it is only a 3 rail group and I haven't received the Q in
quite some time.

NMRA, not much interest there either, I'm not heavily into serious scale.
As you might have noticed, Model Railroader got rid of their cover slogan
"Model railroading is fun". wonder why? :-)

Tom Stoltz

Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork
Maine S Gaugers
NASG

http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/s-vendors/Stoltz/





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43087 From: Rhett George Date: 1/19/2007
Subject: Reversing switch
- GreetingS -

Happily there folks who want to have a test bench plug to operate locos
without the tender-mounted reverser connected. Here is a circuit to
accomplish same.

The reversing switch to take the place of the tender-mounted reverser
is wired as follows. Note: read this in plain text format.

Field F 1 F 2
^ ^
Armature A 1 | | A 2
^ | | ^
| | | |
| O O |
| \ / |
| \ / |
| \ / |
| |--O X O-----------|
| | / \
| | / \
| | / \
| | O O
| |
______|______|_____ O = terminal on DPDT switch
| | Terminal pattern is shown.
| Transformer | DPDT center-off switch is
|_________________| suggested.

The locomotives are wired in one of two patterns, sometimes altered by
persons with more enthusiasm than knowledge.

Switchers, Hudsons, Atlantics, and 280 & 290 series Pacifics seem to have
the field leads going to the bottom of the 4-pin socket. Armature leads
go to the top (closest to cab roof) of the socket.

Northerns and K-5 Pacifics seem to have field leads going to the center of
the socket. Armature leads going to the ends (closest to the cab windows)
of the socket.

A source of connectors to the socket may be cotter pins of the size that
when sprung open slightly will fit snugly in the socket receptacles. I
strongly suggest having an AC ammeter between the transformer and A 1.

I'm open to questions. CheerS,
Ammeter Rhett
Group: S-Trains Message: 43088 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/19/2007
Subject: Re: 1117 WHISTLE CONTROL TUBE(3) FOR SALE
I have 3 1117 tubes for the whistle controller. They are new. $12 ea
shipping included or $30 for all 3 shipping included. Contact me off list. Mike
PS: I am selling 2- 4oz bottles of Smoke fluid for $22 Or 3 for $30
Shipping & 1 dropper included


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43089 From: afherky Date: 1/19/2007
Subject: Re: Springettsbury Fire Hall Train Show in York April 16-17 & 18 20
>Fred, In your post you said, "The only downside to setting up here is
if you are in "S" is that there
won't be a lot of "S" people there with product to sell. You will have
to look
at tables of Lionel, Marx and the like."

Does this mean you are going to continue the Reliance hall as an
American Flyer show and have both fire hall's, or are you moveing the
show to the new one?

>
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43090 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/20/2007
Subject: Emailing: AMERICAN-FLYER-S-REMOTE-CONTROL-SWITCH-TRACK-PAIR_W0QQite
http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-S-REMOTE-CONTROL-SWITCH-TRACK-PAIR_W0QQitemZ180076993532QQihZ008QQcategoryZ480QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I see my friend, Mr. Wilson, is at it again.

Buy it now switches for $450.00.

I am sure it is a typo on his part but I would not put it past him.

Any takers?

Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 43091 From: David Engle Date: 1/20/2007
Subject: Re: Margaret Truman
I'm no authority--but the name "Ohio Express" comes to mind as a rock group.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 6:46 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Margaret Truman


You must be wondering what does Margaret Truman have to do with trains, the only child of President Harry Truman.

Well, let me tell you.

I am currently reading David McCullough book on Harry Truman. Amazing things about him, as I am 51, so I do not know much about him, as in school, only the basic where taught, like how he become President and the election of 48. You might be surprise, those of us baby boomers, to learn of his start in life and then to become President of the United States.

Anyway, Truman, who played Piano, got his daughter for one Christmas a Steinway Grand Baby Piano and they were not that wealthy. Margaret did not appreciate the gift of this piano, as she dreamed of getting a electric train. O:)! Probably a Lionel most likely, but I am sure she did not appreciate the look of the 3 rail "unrealistic" track. I know she would of been a American Flyer fan, had it been around in S, at the time. She would of loved the AF Cow On Track accessory, since her family were farmers. This passage is on page 192. The book itself only has 1000 pages.

So, I here by nominate Ms. Margaret Truman to be a honorary TCA lifetime member, as she at age 82 is still alive. But I do need a second signature on the application. Any volunteers?

It also stated in the book that Harry loved to watch trains go by.

But, how many of you know of a song, "Harry Truman" done by a famous group in 1975. Name the group, might be easy, but name the title of the hit song from that LP, remember those, as this LP was one of the first 8 track tape I got for my new Jenson 8 track tape player I installed in my 1973 Ford Maverick (2,200 with AC and Automatic) in 1975. The group had a train related name that they used, only to be forced to change it by the city they copied it. And no, it was not Grand Funk Railroad! What was the original name, as it related to trains, subways to be more exact. Just like my 8 track player, as I turned down getting a cassette version, 8 tracks and American Flyer did not do too well in the public eye after while. At least I never had a Beta video machine!!!!

Send your emails to TCA to have Ms. Truman (Mrs. Daniels) to inducted in the TCA!!!!

Thank you,

Mike Marmer
Margaret Truman Train Fan Club

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43092 From: clifma19@cox.net Date: 1/20/2007
Subject: Web Site for Cliff's Trains
I have posted my pictures of the 2006 Christmas Layout at
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/toytrains/photos

This was based upon the layout in Classic Toy Trains in December 2006 by Neil Besougloff. It is an American Flyer high rail layout. The layout is a wood frame with 2 inch foam. Easy to move in that it is only about 65 pounds.

The train was a S Helper SW1 with Santa and Mrs Claus and 2 elves on the engine. An American Flyer gondola, caboose, and K Line Cookies Box Car comprised the train. The buildings were Department 56 and Plasticville, Victorian Figures with a Christmas Wonderland Skaters Pond along with many trees finished the layout. A thanks to Becky, my wife, for the Department 56 buildings.

It was featured in the front window of Manning Music in Bonner Springs, Kansas.

Clifford Manning
Topeka, Kansas
Group: S-Trains Message: 43093 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/20/2007
Subject: Re: Reversing switch
Given that yahoogroups seems to clean out all the padding and the
correct image created by plain text diagrams is usually lost.

I suspect that many of the people on the list did not get an accurate
plain text diagram.

I thought I might re-post this so you can see what Mr. Rhett actually
posted at his computer.


or you can use the web interface and select "fixed width" text as a
message viewing option and all will come back into perspective.


At any rate the link to the original message is below:

go to:

http://www.mwkiner.com/nycpa/wiring_dia.htm


MK
Group: S-Trains Message: 43094 From: bandmancwc Date: 1/20/2007
Subject: Looking for..
Hi, I am looking for a couple of items:

356 silver bullet (the chrome version)
the "tipple" cars
If anyone has a lead on either one, please email me offline. Thanks, I
appreciate it. Bill
Group: S-Trains Message: 43095 From: Dennis Back Date: 1/20/2007
Subject: Re: Emailing: AMERICAN-FLYER-S-REMOTE-CONTROL-SWITCH-TRACK-PAIR_W0Q
--- Michael Marmer wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-S-REMOTE-CONTROL-SWITCH-TRACK-PAIR_W0QQitemZ180076993532QQihZ008QQcategoryZ480QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

> I am sure it is a typo on his part but I would not
> put it past him.
>
> Any takers?

Mike and all,

Are YOU KIDDING? Write him???? Remember the circus
wagon with the broken rear hook? I wrote him and told
him that he should have mentioned this. He wrote me
back a very NASTY note, in caps saying,
"IF YOU COULD READ ENGLISH YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO

WRITE THIS EMAIL...NO DAMAGE!!!!"

This guy has a REAL problem. I wouldn't deal with him
if he had the last AF part on earth!!!

Best regards to all, as I haven't posted much, but
HAVE been keeping up with the topics. I could resist
this, though.

Dennis
Miami, FL



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43096 From: ljack70117@adelphia.net Date: 1/20/2007
Subject: Re: Emailing: AMERICAN-FLYER-S-REMOTE-CONTROL-SWITCH-TRACK-PAIR_W0Q
It is buy it now is set at 45 dollars.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left




On Jan 19, 2007, at 10:50 PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

> http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-S-REMOTE-CONTROL-SWITCH-TRACK-
> PAIR_W0QQitemZ180076993532QQihZ008QQcategoryZ480QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> I see my friend, Mr. Wilson, is at it again.
>
> Buy it now switches for $450.00.
>
> I am sure it is a typo on his part but I would not put it past him.
>
> Any takers?
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com
> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too!
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://S-Scale.org/albums
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43097 From: G C Date: 1/20/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} S-Helper Flex track, Homabed, and glue
Is there a way to easily resharpen these blades so you can just keep changing them?

Gene
Group: S-Trains Message: 43098 From: Paul Yorke Date: 1/20/2007
Subject: House Cleaning - Rail Magazines
Here is a list of magazines that I would like to find new homes for.
The shipping cost is all that I require.
Send your requests, first come, first served, to paul at paulyorke.com
Do not reply to the list.

Dispatch Apr 2006
Dispatch April 2004
Dispatch Aug 2004
Dispatch Aug 2001
Dispatch Dec 2005
Dispatch Dec 1995
Dispatch Dec 2004
Dispatch Dec 1992
Dispatch Dec 1997
Dispatch Dec 2003
Dispatch Feb 2004
Dispatch Feb 2003
Dispatch Jun 1997
Dispatch June 2004
Dispatch Oct 1995
Dispatch Oct 2003

Railroad Model Craftsman April 2004
Railroad Model Craftsman Dec 2004
Railroad Model Craftsman Feb 2005
Railroad Model Craftsman Jan 2005
Railroad Model Craftsman July 2004
Railroad Model Craftsman June 2004
Railroad Model Craftsman March 2004
Railroad Model Craftsman May 2004
Railroad Model Craftsman Nov 2004

S gaugian Jan/Feb 2004
S gaugian July/Aug 2004
S gaugian march/April 2004
S gaugian May/June 2004
S-Gaugian Nov/Dec 2004

S/Sn3 Modeling Guide V8 / I 6
S/Sn3 Modeling Guide Vol 8 ,Issue 3
S/Sn3 Modeling Guide Vol 8 ,Issue 1
S/Sn3 Modeling Guide Vol 8 ,Issue 4

Showcase Line Catalog 2005
Showcase Line Catalog 1998


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43099 From: lvtrainmeet Date: 1/20/2007
Subject: Nice Train meet Sunday 10-3 flyer for sale Allentown Pa
Just wanted to let everyone know there is a train meet Sunday 10-3 at
Merchants square Mall. 1901 S 12th st Allentown Pa 18103. There are
over 175+ plus tables of S,O,O-27 Standard Marx.Plus Repair parts
Railroadania ,Paper and more. There is a little of of everything
www.lehighvalleytrainmeet.com
Hope to see you there Kevin
Group: S-Trains Message: 43100 From: charlie and edith Date: 1/20/2007
Subject: Electrical Question
Greetings! Bought a "flickering candle" during the Holidays thinking it would make a fountain for the park in town. It doesn't look to bad .... but is battery powered and we are begining to dim. Is there a way to connect this to my 3.7V,DC,350MA transformer? The Fountain is powered by three AG 13 Button Cell batteries. Your thoughts will be greatly appreciated! Thanks and best wishes, Charlie

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43101 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Re: Electrical Question
Charlie,
I have a Coca-Cola/Cafe sign with blinking lights. It came with a battery pack.
It took two AA batteries. I think it was around 3V's, the same as my Lemax power pack's
output that I use for the Lemax little lighted Christmas goodies.
I just cut off the battery pack, and the little mini-plug, and wired the sign directly
to the power pack, which of course, plugs into the wall. Works great, and no
more batteries!

Rick.




Greetings! Bought a "flickering candle" during the Holidays thinking it would make a fountain for the park in town. It doesn't look to bad .... but is battery powered and we are begining to dim. Is there a way to connect this to my 3.7V,DC,350MA transformer? The Fountain is powered by three AG 13 Button Cell batteries. Your thoughts will be greatly appreciated! Thanks and best wishes, Charlie

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43102 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Re: Electrical Question
These batteries are 1.5v nominal. That would yield 4.5v nominal when
placed in series.

The question in my mind is would it be a little dim operatting at only
3.7v nominal? Hook it up using probes and see how bright it is.

Goes without saying that you must pay attention to polarity. If they
are too dim for your tastes you may have to look for something closer
to nominal voltage.

You could try the higher priced silver oxide equivalent and it might
last long enough to be more acceptable as battery powered. I also
understand that the LR44 in alkaline is generally a higher MAH
equivalent to the AG13.



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "charlie and edith"
<charlieandedith@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings! Bought a "flickering candle" during the Holidays
thinking it would make a fountain for the park in town. It doesn't
look to bad .... but is battery powered and we are begining to dim.
Is there a way to connect this to my 3.7V,DC,350MA transformer? The
Fountain is powered by three AG 13 Button Cell batteries. Your
thoughts will be greatly
appreciated! Thanks and
best wishes, Charlie
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43103 From: Andrew Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Lionel Flyer Docksider Question
Hi.
I just joined the group . I was told that there was an email or
article on this site on how to increase the smoke output of the New
Docksiders . Something about changing or removing a resistor . Does
someone still have that email , and can someone either direct me to ,
or forward it to me ? I'd appreciate it . Tx. Andy
Group: S-Trains Message: 43104 From: guess Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Local people
I live in Northeast Oklahoma, and I am wonder if there is anyone else
form here. The reason is fight now my track is in storage and I am
anxious to see if my train will still run.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43105 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer Docksider Question
For those that don't use the web interface search capability, below is
a link to the docksider smoke search results.

http://www.mwkiner.com/af/docksider_smoke.htm



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" <sgaugeandy@...> wrote:
>
> Hi.
> I just joined the group . I was told that there was an email or
> article on this site on how to increase the smoke output of the New
> Docksiders . Something about changing or removing a resistor . Does
> someone still have that email , and can someone either direct me
to ,
> or forward it to me ? I'd appreciate it . Tx. Andy
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43106 From: dale reynolds Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: FW: All Aboard
Dale Reynolds, Pendleton, SC
reynoldsdale@...



> [Original Message]
> From: William Angus <wja@...>
> To: <clinchfield@...>
> Date: 1/17/2007 2:43:25 AM
> Subject: All Aboard
>
> http://www.lionel.com/commercial/lionel_commercial.html
>
> Bill Angus
> Chicago, IL
Group: S-Trains Message: 43107 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Re: FW: All Aboard
Nice article!

> >
> > http://www.lionel.com/commercial/lionel_commercial.html
> >





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43108 From: M.McConnell Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Fonts used in Train list
I just wanted to pass along this tip about formatting messages in this list.

The S-Train list only allows "text" based messages - all formatting is
stripped, such as font type. When you enter a message as in the message
below, it probably looked fine to the sender, since it was most likely
entered in a Courier (or other 'fixed' font). The S-Train list, however,
uses a proportional font (such as 'Arial') - and the end results are that
nice 'text pictures' get all messed up.

If you want to see the diagram that Rhett sent to the list in the format he
intended, copy the message text (below) into "Notepad" or another word
processing program, and change the font to "Courier". The diagram will
magically become viewable. (You MAC users will need to find an
appropriate 'fixed pitch' font - I'm not sure if you have Courier).

Fixed-pitch fonts use the same horizontal spacing for every character (ie
the letter 'i' and letter 'm' take up the same space). Proportional-space
fonts take up variable space within a word - with 'i' taking up much less
space than an 'm' - and even less than a 'space'.

You also see this sentence at the bottom of many e-mails:
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

It's caused by the same reasons - everything but text is stripped from the
e-mail message.

Thanks for the diagram Rhett
Michael



>6. Reversing switch
> Posted by: "Rhett George" rtg@...
> Date: Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:24 pm ((PST))
>
> - GreetingS -
>
>Happily there folks who want to have a test bench plug to operate locos
>without the tender-mounted reverser connected. Here is a circuit to
>accomplish same.
>
>The reversing switch to take the place of the tender-mounted reverser
>is wired as follows. Note: read this in plain text format.
>
> Field F 1 F 2
> ^ ^
> Armature A 1 | | A 2
> ^ | | ^
> | | | |
> | O O |
> | \ / |
> | \ / |
> | \ / |
> | |--O X O-----------|
> | | / \
> | | / \
> | | / \
> | | O O
> | |
> ______|______|_____ O = terminal on DPDT switch
> | | Terminal pattern is shown.
> | Transformer | DPDT center-off switch is
> |_________________| suggested.
>
>The locomotives are wired in one of two patterns, sometimes altered by
>persons with more enthusiasm than knowledge.
>
>Switchers, Hudsons, Atlantics, and 280 & 290 series Pacifics seem to have
>the field leads going to the bottom of the 4-pin socket. Armature leads
>go to the top (closest to cab roof) of the socket.
>
>Northerns and K-5 Pacifics seem to have field leads going to the center of
>the socket. Armature leads going to the ends (closest to the cab windows)
>of the socket.
>
>A source of connectors to the socket may be cotter pins of the size that
>when sprung open slightly will fit snugly in the socket receptacles. I
>strongly suggest having an AC ammeter between the transformer and A 1.
>
>I'm open to questions. CheerS,
> Ammeter Rhett
Group: S-Trains Message: 43109 From: Knight, Gene Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: WGH Show and Lionel
Hi gang,

I just returned from the WGH Show in Pittsburgh. I went straight to the Lionel display and started talking with a representative. The first thing I asked was "where is the Flyer?" Well, he said all they brought were basically starter sets etc etc. I then asked about what was coming out in the new catalog as far as American Flyer. This was what he said. They are going to be offering "more than they ever have." Trying to get more info I asked was it new stuff....reissues of stuff already in past catalogs. He said new stuff...they are going to offer an American Flyer starter set now that they have K-Line track. He also said there will be premium sets offered as well. One other thing he said...."I think we went too far in what we are offering for Flyer. This looks and sounds exciting. I can't wait (although my wallet can) to see what is in the catalog.

Gene
Group: S-Trains Message: 43110 From: Phil K Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Something to watch while eating a crow entree
I think all of the Gloomy Gusses who have been for years saying our
hobby is dying and that today's kids don't care about model trains and
no one will be interested in buying trains after a few more years
should be forced to watch this news report while they dine on their
meal of crow.

http://www.lionel.com/commercial/lionel_commercial.html
Group: S-Trains Message: 43111 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: Reversing switch
Or you can use the link provided in this forwarded message. Mike
Thank You Rhett & MK
Group: S-Trains Message: 43112 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Re: Reversing switch
(http://www.mwkiner.com/nycpa/wiring_dia.htm) Is the link


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43113 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Re: Basic question
I use a very weak solution of dish soap and have never had a problem - works great for me.

BUT: only on plastic cars. I have been told that some of the lettering on steam engines is water soluble.


colleenandrob <colleenandrob@...> wrote:
Good morning everyone,

When cleaning AF cars from 40-50s is it just warm water or could I use
mild (deluted) dish soap and water? Can I go stronger or try anything
else.

As always thank you in advance for your help,
Rob






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Group: S-Trains Message: 43114 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: THE SILVER BULLET
Ah, you thought I was going
to bring up the AC Gilbert 356
Silver Bullet. Have you seen the
new Silver Bullet by MTH.
This is not your grandfather's
steam engine. It is a
fantasy train based on
the Coors Beer ad on TV.

Here is something for
American Flyer by
"L" to sue MTH about.

Have you seen the train in
Classic Toy Trains?

Glenn

.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43115 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Mr. Wilson's E-bay store
If anyone has looked on E-Bay today it seems as if Mr Wilson has
closed his store. Just thought ya'll would like to know.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43116 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Re;THE SILVER BULLET
Ah, yes, the MTH/Coors Silver Bullet.....One of the most bizzare
locomotives I've ever seen! Rest assured that none of my wildest
butchery in any scale has ever approached something this hideous!
Obviously the guys at the advertising agency that came up with this
are crack addicts.
Lionel sue MTH? The MTH Bullet is uglier than Lionel's Phantom loco
of a few years back. THAT was a disaster sales wise for Lionel...now
it's MTH's turn I guess!
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43117 From: David Engle Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Re: Something to watch while eating a crow entree
That does not even count the latest "British Invasion"--otherwise known as "Thomas the Tank Engine"!!.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43118 From: Rick Evans Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Re: Something to watch while eating a crow entree
http://www.lionel.com/commercial/lionel_commercial.html

Neat link.
Thanks!!

Rick.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43119 From: theheadliner Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Re: Electrical Question
Best bet is to go to Radio Shack and get transformer. They probably have one in stock that is correct voltage. They also have variable ones that will run and dc circuit, no matter what the voltage.

Jerry
Group: S-Trains Message: 43120 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/21/2007
Subject: Re: Electrical Question
Or if you are thrifty, you can go to a 2nd hand store they have boxes of
them. Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43121 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: The Crow entree could fly away before being eaten.
I was born on a Wednesday so I am full of woe. On the surface the
video looks good butttt-
What did the increased sales comprise of? _
(1) Polar expresses and Flyonel Northerns to we already existing
collectors/operators?
2)or was it starter sets to grandparents for their grandkids? Or
Parents for their kids?
Without the breakdown we dont know if this is going to be a change in
the trend.
Even if it was #2 above we still don't know if the 11 years old
barrier has been breached. That is the age up to which kids can still
take an interest in the train novelty - after that any shop can tell
you they are conspicuous by their absence in numbers.
Hoepfully I am wrong but would like to see an age breakdown of
purchasers or the people they are purchasing for and a follow up in
later years.
BTW wonder where the news reader got the leader from? Not from a well
known "manufacturer" of O and S gauge sales staff? Alistair
Group: S-Trains Message: 43122 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: New Lionel Catalog
I see no one took me up on my comment about Lionel's web page showing a
circus bill board in the background of the new 2007 Vol. 1 catalog. Says
"Ringling Bros. & Barnum & Baily is coming to town." Will there be a S or O ga circus
set in the new catalog??


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43123 From: Randy Griggs Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: New Photo Gallery comparing the 'REAL' #4501 to the 'Flyonel' #4501
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43124 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: New Lionel Catalog, Again
Sorry, that was on the front of the K-Line catalog, Vol. by Lionel


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43125 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Re: Re;THE SILVER BULLET/Phantom
Speaking of the Lionel Phantom, Stumpy:

Any speculation as to how much this little puppy might be worth (if
anything) *someday*?

After all, recall the (in)famous Girls Train that stores almost couldn't
give away, and that now is worth more (by a long shot) than my '97 Ford
Explorer ?

The Phantom also bombed, which probably means that few were sold. I know
that scarcity doesn't necessarily relate to collectability, but usually is
one important element in determining price.

I understand different era, different circumstances, etc.

I am just wondering if anyone besides me has one of the things, plus the
cars, and if it has crossed anyone else's mind...Sure don't plan on selling
my set anytime soon, but it helps to know how much this stuff is worth for
insurance purposes, etc. I haven't noticed any for sale on eBay.

BTW, I think the thing is kinda cute, actually...Although my S stuff is far
more attractive and, it runs on two rails!!

Cheers :)
Roy Inman


From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...>
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:54:34 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re;THE SILVER BULLET


Ah, yes, the MTH/Coors Silver Bullet.....One of the most bizzare
locomotives I've ever seen! Rest assured that none of my wildest
butchery in any scale has ever approached something this hideous!
Obviously the guys at the advertising agency that came up with this
are crack addicts.
Lionel sue MTH? The MTH Bullet is uglier than Lionel's Phantom loco
of a few years back. THAT was a disaster sales wise for Lionel...now
it's MTH's turn I guess!
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 43126 From: Al Baker Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Stout Auctions ?????
Anybody had experience buying from Stout Auctions on Pennsylvania? I
see them on eBay quite often, and the whole thing of an auction this
way just seems strange to me. Can they be trusted ok???

Al BAker
Portland
Group: S-Trains Message: 43127 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: 24566
I have an extra 24566 NEW HAVEN black plastic pike master. No broken
parts. $125 + shipping & ins.
Any one interested, contact me off line.
Jerry HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 43128 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Merchants Square Mall train show in Allentown, Pa
In a message dated 1/20/2007 9:46:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
lvtrainmeet@... writes:

Just wanted to let everyone know there is a train meet Sunday 10-3 at
Merchants square Mall. 1901 S 12th st Allentown Pa 18103. There are
over 175+ plus tables of S,O,O-27 Standard Marx.Plus Repair parts
Railroadania ,Paper and more. There is a little of of everything
www.lehighvalleytrawww.lehigh
Hope to see you there Kevin



Greetings all,

Well, if you missed this one, you missed something!! These guys put on a
good one!! Everything advertised in the above paragraph couldn't be truer.
Something for everyone here, and plenty of Flyer to be seen and had.
Kevin and company went out of their way to ensure that everyone
(tableholders and public alike) had an enjoyable time. Almost everybody that I spoke to
said that the event was worth the trip.

I'm sure glad that I attended and wish that I wasn't still in recovery so I
could have set up my display.

Great job Kevin!! Good luck on the next one!!


Fred Jester



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43129 From: porschebob1953 Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: AF 19B Transformer Wiring
I have an American Flyer 19B transformer I received for Christmas 1953.
Somewhere along the line, the wires got disconnected from the inside
back of the case. Now I get sparks when I attempt to re-connect the
wires. Where can I get a wiring diagram to make sure I am connecting
the wires correctly? Could there be a problem with the circuit breaker?
Is there some way to test the circuit breaker with the transformer
inoperable?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43130 From: Rhett George Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Track screws
- GreetingS -

Late last month Bill asked about screws to hold down AF track. Many years
ago I purchased some boxes of #0 RH screws, 3/4" length, from a Durham, NC,
hardware store, no longer in business. More important are the box markings.
The cover has, imprinted in red, a likeness of a model passenger train and
the words, "For AMERICAN FLYER" along with "No. A F Railroad Track SCREWS."

The front of the box is marked, "Sharon Bolt & Screw Co. - Boston." Is the
company still in business? I do not know.

Also in a similar box with blue markings were screws for Lionel No. O and
No. L-O as well.

A F track on my log loader module which some of you have seen is fastened
with the #0 RH screws.

CheerS,

Rhett
Group: S-Trains Message: 43131 From: Jim Armstrong Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Re: Something to watch while eating a crow entree
Oh, and don't forget the Fisher-Price GeoTrax trains!
Just Google for Flicker, and then search for Geotrax!
They're great fun for the smaller troops. JimA
Group: S-Trains Message: 43132 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalog-PPS:
PPS:

I also noticed what appeared to be one of the so-called Santa Fe Black
Bonnet Alco A and B units in the foreground.

Recall that K-Line made the Black Bonnet in O and offered it in at least two
catalogs.

Can we perhaps expect the same thing in S....?

For those unfamiliar: In an old Lionel catalog from sometime in the 1950's,
there was illustrated a Santa Fe set that was reproduced as black where the
silver should have been on the Lionel F units, A and B. It was called the
"Black Bonnet," and was never produced. In point of fact, it was probably
some sort of production or reproduction error, seen only in the catalog.

K-Line seized on this "Mystique" if you will, and actually made a passenger
set that looked for all the world like the one in the old Lionel catalog.
K-Line also added some freight cars in the same color scheme.

Roy Inman

From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...>
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:27:38 -0600
To: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...>, <HOwingsiii@...>,
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Lionel Catalog-PS


PS: According to the countdown clock on Lionel's web site, we only have
about eleven hours to wait. And I assume the new catalogs will be posted on
the site then. About midnight, Central Standard Time. If us old-timers can
stay awake that long...

Roy Inman




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43133 From: N Becker Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: American Hi-Rail
In the December Dispatch new products report is some limited info regarding
American Hi-Rail products.

Does anyone have a web address for them (or a catalog)?

Thanks.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43134 From: Rhett George Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Thanks for font help
- GreetingS -

Many thanks for suggestions offered to the general readership in this
group for techniques to make my plain text circuit diagrams easier to
read. These suggestions came from MK and Michael McConnell. Thanks,
fellows. Thanks to Mike for asking the question about using a toggle
switch in lieu of the tender-mounted reverser, "e-unit," while testing
locomotives.

One more suggestion here. With the tender and trailing truck removed,
one can see more easily the brush leads and the field leads. On some
of the locos brush leads are of stranded wire insulated with a smooth
plastic jacket while the field leads, being a continuation of the wire
used to wind the coil, are solid wire with insulation having a woven
or fabric appearance. Also, brushes are located at a level close to
the bottom of the cab while the field coil and its leads are rather
close to the underside of the cab roof.

Hope this helps.

Rhett
Group: S-Trains Message: 43135 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalog
I saw that as well and wondered the same thing.

One person on the list said that a Lionel rep told him at a train show that
"Lionel will offer more AF than it ever has before, including S starter sets
as well as premium sets," or words to that effect.

For whatever that means... but it might mean a circus set. I sure would
consider buying one.

Roy Inman

From: HOwingsiii@...
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 01:12:30 -0500 (EST)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] New Lionel Catalog


I see no one took me up on my comment about Lionel's web page showing a
circus bill board in the background of the new 2007 Vol. 1 catalog. Says
"Ringling Bros. & Barnum & Baily is coming to town." Will there be a S or O
ga circus
set in the new catalog??

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43136 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalog-PS
PS: According to the countdown clock on Lionel's web site, we only have
about eleven hours to wait. And I assume the new catalogs will be posted on
the site then. About midnight, Central Standard Time. If us old-timers can
stay awake that long...

Roy Inman
Group: S-Trains Message: 43137 From: Randy Griggs Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Re: New Photo Gallery comparing the 'REAL' #4501 to the 'Flyonel' #
Sorry for the confusion in my first post of this subject. I didn't realize the system stripped 'hypertext' as well as graphics, etc. Here it is, again. I've left the http part out and added some extra spaces around the "/"'s. It's in the "Randy Griggs' 'S'tuff" Album. Hopefully you will be able to find it.

Regards, Randy Griggs

------- Original Message -------
From : Randy Griggs[mailto:rlgriggs@...]
Sent : 1/21/2007 11:07:24 PM
To : S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc :
Subject : RE: New Photo Gallery comparing the 'REAL' #4501 to the 'Flyonel' #4501 Light Mikado

Some recollections, photos & drawings of the 'real' & Flyonel #4501 Light Mikados can be found at:
s-cale.org / albums / main-php / v / friends / rlgriggs / 4501 /





I hope to add more photos of my new Flyonel #4501 as the opportunities present themselves. What a fantastic model! :-)

Regards, Randy Griggs



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43138 From: Al Baker Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Re: The Crow entree could fly away before being eaten.
Great points Alistair !! (Sounnds like you are a true marketing
man!!)
Al Baker
Portland



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alistair McAllister" <alizoo@...>
wrote:
>
> I was born on a Wednesday so I am full of woe. On the surface the
> video looks good butttt-
> What did the increased sales comprise of? _
> (1) Polar expresses and Flyonel Northerns to we already existing
> collectors/operators?
> 2)or was it starter sets to grandparents for their grandkids? Or
> Parents for their kids?
> Without the breakdown we dont know if this is going to be a change
in
> the trend.
> Even if it was #2 above we still don't know if the 11 years old
> barrier has been breached. That is the age up to which kids can
still
> take an interest in the train novelty - after that any shop can
tell
> you they are conspicuous by their absence in numbers.
> Hoepfully I am wrong but would like to see an age breakdown of
> purchasers or the people they are purchasing for and a follow up
in
> later years.
> BTW wonder where the news reader got the leader from? Not from a
well
> known "manufacturer" of O and S gauge sales staff? Alistair
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43139 From: Phil K Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Re: The Crow entree could fly away before being eaten.
The irrefutable good news is the model train companies are making
money and are healthy -- something no one can argue.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alistair McAllister" <alizoo@...>
wrote:
>
> I was born on a Wednesday so I am full of woe. On the surface the
> video looks good butttt-
> What did the increased sales comprise of? _
> (1) Polar expresses and Flyonel Northerns to we already existing
> collectors/operators?
> 2)or was it starter sets to grandparents for their grandkids? Or
> Parents for their kids?
> Without the breakdown we dont know if this is going to be a change
in
> the trend.
> Even if it was #2 above we still don't know if the 11 years old
> barrier has been breached. That is the age up to which kids can
still
> take an interest in the train novelty - after that any shop can
tell
> you they are conspicuous by their absence in numbers.
> Hoepfully I am wrong but would like to see an age breakdown of
> purchasers or the people they are purchasing for and a follow up in
> later years.
> BTW wonder where the news reader got the leader from? Not from a
well
> known "manufacturer" of O and S gauge sales staff? Alistair
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43140 From: Russell & Emily Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: E-mail change
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honkelrs@community broadband.com

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43141 From: clayk@lonestartrains.com Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Re: 633 T Boxcar
Hi All,

Anyone have any info on the 633T boxcar? In a recent collection we picked up, there is a 633 Boxcar in a box labeled 633-Box Car T. The car is a milkier shade of brown than the usual dark brown one we get. Also it has the sheet metal base with the weighted link coupler (the others we have seen have the non-weighted coupler and the bakelite base.

No books list it except for the TM Guides, which list it as a variation but with no reported sales.

Anyone?

BeSt, Clay

PS--Some hints about the new AF offerings in the Lionel catalog--think BLUE (among many other things).


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Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 07:02 PM
To: 'mgarrett2949'
Cc: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] E-mail change

Effective 1-22-07 my new email address is:

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43142 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Lionel 2007 catalog
Well, lots of new stuff, but the one that caught my eye was the Blue Comet
set. Plus, a two-car add on.

Still waiting for an add-on set for the C&A.

But a bunch of stuff for Flyer fans, including some entirely new engines and
rolling stock. The Santa Fe log dump car is kinda pricey, but very nice.

Roy Inman
Group: S-Trains Message: 43143 From: charlie and edith Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Electrical Question
Greetings! Thanks so much for all the help! The "fountain" works quite well, even flickers, with the the 3.7V, DC transformer. It may be a bit dimmer, but now does not overpower the street lights. A coat of light blue paint, to simulate water, and perhaps a pool? Humm! Again, thanks to all for the help and best wishes! Charlie

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43144 From: len_hall Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: New Lionel and K Line Catalogs
There is quiet a bit to get excited about if you like O guage, but not
very much new S gauge stuff. I was hoping for some new, exciting
products :O(.

Len
Group: S-Trains Message: 43145 From: Eric R. Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: For Sale: S Helper - F7 - ABA - ATSF - Red and Silver
I am selling a S Helper Service locomotive set for a friend.



It is the Sante Fe Warbonnet red and silver A - B - A set.



This is the AC-DC with sound version. It is set up with the AF compatible
wheels.



These are long sold out on the S Helper website and in fact I have never
even seen one on ebay.



For some reason S-Helper unfortunately does not show the out of production
F-7's on their web.



S helper website: http://www.showcaseline.com/index2.html



These engines are like new, they have been test run ONLY and the kadee style
couplers were attached. This is an easy change back.



All the extra parts are there: the knuckle couplers, the scale wheels, the
different nose parts, the mu wires, the DC shorting plugs, the manual, the
original box and foam.



He is willing to sell this for $750.00 Insured Shipping included to the
USA. (Cashiers Check or Money Order made out to me.) This is basically what
he paid for the engines. If you want to use my paypal for payment please
add $24. (For the 3.2% charge.) These will have to be sold as-is.



Thanks for looking, I can take pictures and send along if needed.



Eric Reis

P.O. Box 82126

Kenmore, Wa 98028



northline@...











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Group: S-Trains Message: 43146 From: Phil K Date: 1/22/2007
Subject: Link to new Lionel American Flyer offerings
There's plenty, a great sign for the future of S from Flyonel.

Click here:

http://tinyurl.com/36qulq
Group: S-Trains Message: 43147 From: Jerry Matsick Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: New Lionel Catalog - American Flyer at 6:00AM
Wow - great new items and the new accessories look great No new
engines, just new Rail Lines, but overall S Gaugers variety and
choice keeps on growing.

Jerry Matsick
Jax S Ville
Group: S-Trains Message: 43148 From: Crpntr12449@aol.com Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Re: 633 T Boxcar
Clay, I have a 633 that is more of a brick red color than brownish, but has
the metal base and weighted link couplers.


Carlton






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Group: S-Trains Message: 43149 From: Jenni Sipla Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Stout Auctions ?????
I have delt with stout auctions before and they are fairly loose on their discriptions. For this reason ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS!!!! Stout Auction house is known to deal mainly in antique toys. I have seen them advertising in many antique guides and CLASSIC Toy Trains. One thing I have learned on LIVE ebay auctions is whatch out for BUYERS PREMIUMS i have seen them as low as 10% and as high as 27%.

Hope this helps
Bret


---------------------------------
8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time
with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43150 From: David Dewey Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: New Flyonel
Well, despite my 19K dial up, I was able to see the new catalog.
Interesting, yes a lot of reworked stuff, but new stuff too. Finally a real
starter set, catalog even states, "Get someone started with an Afmericnf
Flyer Layout!" "--complete with track and transformer--" List $299.99
(Docksider, box car, coal load hopper, illuminated caboose (that new ofset
cupola one).
Blue Comet train set with Pacific loco and heavyweights. The blue trucks
look odd. Soo close to the Polar Express paint scheme--RATS! They didn't do
it.
Stock car finally! But notice the trucks under it--they look like Link
coupler stamped trucks with flyonel couplers! Hmmm.
On page 212, uner "0-27, 0 Gauge and Large Scale Track" is the listing for
Flyone/K-line track. Only curves offered are the 54" wide radius ones, and
the only illustration is of the track gang accessory!
Nice NYC and Pennsy heavywieght sets, and listed with on/off switch--I don't
remember the UP cars having that feature (but I could be wrong).
Soo. . . Looks like I will spend some $$, but nothing like last year! Whew!
I need the break. Hmm I wonder if big L overstepped this year?
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43151 From: Art Shifrin Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Stout & new Lionel catalog
I often see erroneous descriptions about Chicago and Gilbert AF O being
offered by Stout. A recent example cites the Northern #806 as a
"Challenger" .Gilbert never described these engines as such at least in
the '39 - '42 catalogs. And, they describe the tender as being an oil
type, evidently not comprehending that the pile of granular stuff at the
top rear is coal. They describe a 1936 (debut) version of the Hudson as
missing the trailer truck, which is in plain sight in the accompanying
photos.

If you must patronize them, then at least save $ by bidding directly &
not through ebay.

Kudos to Lionel for reissuing the prewar 3/16s signals which they
foolishly describe only as being "S" gauge.

Shiffy



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43152 From: Knight, Gene Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Re: New Flyonel
What disappoints me a little is the price of the new starter set. Say
you walk into a hobby shop or what have you. There on the shelf sits the
new starter set for $299.00. Right next to it sits Lionel's Polar
Express for the same price. Which is going to be more appealing to you
or a child if you a first time buyer getting into the hobby? The rest of
the offerings look great!

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of David Dewey
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 1:49 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] New Flyonel

Well, despite my 19K dial up, I was able to see the new catalog.
Interesting, yes a lot of reworked stuff, but new stuff too. Finally a
real
starter set, catalog even states, "Get someone started with an Afmericnf

Flyer Layout!" "--complete with track and transformer--" List $299.99
(Docksider, box car, coal load hopper, illuminated caboose (that new
ofset
cupola one).
Blue Comet train set with Pacific loco and heavyweights. The blue trucks

look odd. Soo close to the Polar Express paint scheme--RATS! They didn't
do
it.
Stock car finally! But notice the trucks under it--they look like Link
coupler stamped trucks with flyonel couplers! Hmmm.
On page 212, uner "0-27, 0 Gauge and Large Scale Track" is the listing
for
Flyone/K-line track. Only curves offered are the 54" wide radius ones,
and
the only illustration is of the track gang accessory!
Nice NYC and Pennsy heavywieght sets, and listed with on/off switch--I
don't
remember the UP cars having that feature (but I could be wrong).
Soo. . . Looks like I will spend some $$, but nothing like last year!
Whew!
I need the break. Hmm I wonder if big L overstepped this year?
S'
David D.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43153 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: (no subject)
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43154 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Lionel/AF Track
Track is on a different page;


(http://lionel.com/Products/Catalogs/cat-2007-vol-1/catalogfea6.html)


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43155 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Re: Link to new Lionel American Flyer offerings
In a message dated 1/22/2007 11:45:38 PM Central Standard Time,
waldootten@... writes:
There's plenty, a great sign for the future of S from Flyonel.

Click here:

http://tinyurl.com/36qulq
............................
I looked for mention of a dining car. I did not find it. Am I mistaken in
thinking that the C&A and UP sets included a dining car? - Earl
Henry, Nashville


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43156 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF Track
_Classic Trains_ (http://www.classictrains.com/) Try looking at Classic
Trains track. The price is about the same as K-Line. It looks a lot like
Gargraves. It is solid SS Rail code 172. They are coming out with more crossovers
& switch choices. Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43157 From: Alex Sibbald Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: flyonel
Hi all,
I am glad to finally see a starter set with track and transformer from
Lionel. The freight cars for the most part still sit on old die cast
trucks and are pricey. For the same kind of money one can purchase
beautiful, detailed rolling stock on smooth rolling, sprung trucks from
SHS. Lionel inherited nice sprung trucks from K-Line however chose to
ignore using them. The passenger cars are advertised as sporting die
cast sprung trucks however the pictures are not large enough to tell for
sure. I am an optimist so the cup is half-full.
Alex
Group: S-Trains Message: 43158 From: johnandrew002 Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: K-Line/Lionel track
Can anyone tell me if the K-Line track mates with the old American Flyer variety?
Are they identical?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43159 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: BUTTON 4 MIKE
Mike.... here is a button you need.... some wear on top.....
Bob

http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-S-2-IN-1-WHISTLE-CONTROL_W0QQitemZ180078184289QQihZ008QQcategoryZ480QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item180078184289

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43160 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Re: TRACK PRO's & CON's
Has anyone used the code 172 SOLID NS track from Classic Trains? If so what
are the Pro's & Con's? How does it compare to Gargrave's? Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43161 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Re: flyonel
Click on the link the trucks are shown in this image. Don't waste much
time studying those images. They are mostly photoshopped images of
existing product. Last year when the Alton Limited was shown in the
catalog it was on 3 rail track. Mine runs on two rails.


http://www.mwkiner.com/af/alton_truck.jpg



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alex Sibbald <innotron@...> wrote:

> SHS. Lionel inherited nice sprung trucks from K-Line however chose to
> ignore using them. The passenger cars are advertised as sporting die
> cast sprung trucks however the pictures are not large enough to tell
for
> sure. I am an optimist so the cup is half-full.
> Alex
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43162 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Re: K-Line/Lionel track
They aren't identical, but they are close. They will mate, but the
pins on the kline are a little more square sholdered and may fit very
tight in AF track. Depends on how worn your af track is. The rail
crossection is very close, the ties look slightly different. The
spacing is different on the ties on the 30/36" pieces.

See http://www.mwkiner.com/af/alton_truck.jpg

The track the truck is setting on is K-line.


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "johnandrew002" <johnandrew002@...>
wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me if the K-Line track mates with the old American
Flyer variety?
> Are they identical?
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43163 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Re: flyonel
Alex,
If the new passenger cars are like the C&A units, they are sprung trucks and
quite nice.
Roy Inman

From: Alex Sibbald <innotron@...>
Organization: innotronics
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:48:54 -0800
To: "S-trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] flyonel


Hi all,
I am glad to finally see a starter set with track and transformer from
Lionel. The freight cars for the most part still sit on old die cast
trucks and are pricey. For the same kind of money one can purchase
beautiful, detailed rolling stock on smooth rolling, sprung trucks from
SHS. Lionel inherited nice sprung trucks from K-Line however chose to
ignore using them. The passenger cars are advertised as sporting die
cast sprung trucks however the pictures are not large enough to tell for
sure. I am an optimist so the cup is half-full.
Alex






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Group: S-Trains Message: 43164 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Lionel Catalogue
Gentlemen,

New Lionel Catalogue looks good. However, was wondering why they didn't put
out the Pacific in different road names. I was hoping for Pa or something
like that. Also signal units look good but not sure of how they will look
and how do they hook up to all of the S helper track that I have. Well
anyway we shall see.

Joe Haughney



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43165 From: race944t Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Stout Auctions ?????
I have delt with Stout for many years both when they had
Collectorauctions.com and at one of their auctions in Indiana. The
auctions go VERY fast. Make sure you know what you want to buy ahead
of time, the maximum you are willing to pay and all the details you
need to make an informed decision. I've never known Stout to be
disceptive, but their descriptions are not in depth like an e-bay
auction. I have always found them to be responsive to questions and
I think I paid a 10% premium. (well disclosed when you get your
bidder number) Also, consider shipping costs. I think they have a
fixed amount.

I was at an auction in Indiana when they first started the internet
bidding and watched. I would advise against trying to do the d-bay
last second bid because there is a slight delay and you could loose
out.

Good luck to all who bid. They usually have some really nice and
sometime undiscovered bargins.

Bill Clark
"Banker Bill"

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jenni Sipla <jadenralph@...> wrote:
>
> I have delt with stout auctions before and they are fairly loose on
their discriptions. For this reason ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS!!!!
Stout Auction house is known to deal mainly in antique toys. I have
seen them advertising in many antique guides and CLASSIC Toy Trains.
One thing I have learned on LIVE ebay auctions is whatch out for
BUYERS PREMIUMS i have seen them as low as 10% and as high as 27%.
>
> Hope this helps
> Bret
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time
> with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43166 From: frank emiro Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Re: BUTTON 4 MIKE
WOW you can sell anything in Kentucky. What do they sell toilet paper for on ebay?

ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> wrote: Mike.... here is a button you need.... some wear on top.....
Bob

http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-S-2-IN-1-WHISTLE-CONTROL_W0QQitemZ180078184289QQihZ008QQcategoryZ480QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item180078184289

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43167 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Re: BUTTON 4 MIKE
I see he has inspector vouchers for sale too.

Maybe if you buy the button, you get a free voucher from Mr. Wilson, saying he did not inspect this item to see if it still works.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 6:55 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] BUTTON 4 MIKE


Mike.... here is a button you need.... some wear on top.....
Bob

http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-S-2-IN-1-WHISTLE-CONTROL_W0QQitemZ180078184289QQihZ008QQcategoryZ480QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item180078184289

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43168 From: srgriggs Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Difference between new "Legacy" and TMCC control systems
In leafing through the new Lionel catalog, I noticed they have rolled
out their new "Legacy" control system (including new CAB2 remote).
What wasn't made clear (or maybe I just missed it) is whether
locomotives equipped with Legacy can be operated at least in some
capacity by a CAB1 remote and first generation TMCC Command Base.
There is an odd mix of engines with both original TMCC and the new
Legacy system (i.e. some really top-of-the-line O gauge engines are
equipped with original TMCC, while certain other mid-range stuff has
the Legacy system and vice versa). I noticed that the Flyonel Jersey
Central Blue Comet set has the Legacy system and does not show a TMCC
icon. I would be disappointed if I bought one and found out I needed
to buy a new command control setup to access all of its features.
Anyone have the full story on the new control system?

Scott
Group: S-Trains Message: 43169 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Re: TRACK PRO's & CON's
Mike,
I'm waiting too. I'd like to see the crossovers when they are
done. I think, as the prototype I saw 10 years ago, it is solid nickel silver.
The price seems about the same as what Lionel is offering. Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43170 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Re: TRACK PRO's & CON's
Mike,

That is the track I will be using for a future layout, as I picked up enough to see how it is, 12 curves and 6 straight. The rail is solid brass, I think, as gargaves is not solid.

I think you have seen it on the webpage, but it looks like HO track but nicer. When the track comes together, you can not see where the ends are, like the Atlas track, with a box looking end, the ties. The ties have a woodgrain look and the track connectors, fishplates, have rivets on them. You will have to use road bed, as I will use a gray ballast on it.

The only thing holding me up and others, I am sure, it the switches. I was told they were due in December, but that did not happen.

I think once the switches come in, sales of this track will go up.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: anormal1@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 6:42 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: TRACK PRO's & CON's


Has anyone used the code 172 SOLID NS track from Classic Trains? If so what
are the Pro's & Con's? How does it compare to Gargrave's? Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43171 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/23/2007
Subject: Re: BUTTON 4 MIKE
Bob,

Did you mean me? No, I think I will let you bid on the good stuff for this guy.

But then, maybe you meant Mike of Oregon, as he loves this stuff from this guy.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry, as it took allot of courage for him to put this thing on ebay.

I know people try to save as much junk AF they can, but this thing needs to put out of it misery.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 6:55 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] BUTTON 4 MIKE


Mike.... here is a button you need.... some wear on top....
Bob

http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-S-2-IN-1-WHISTLE-CONTROL_W0QQitemZ180078184289QQihZ008QQcategoryZ480QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item180078184289

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43172 From: jayhoo64 Date: 1/24/2007
Subject: Re: TRACK PRO's & CON's
Mike asked:

>Has anyone used the code 172 SOLID NS track from Classic Trains?

I haven't used it yet, but I've seen it, and it's very nice. I've seen
the prototype turnouts, and they look very good also. The switch
machines are mounted on the outside of the diverting curve, so they
won't get in the way of long rolling stock.

If so >what are the Pro's & Con's? How does it compare to Gargrave's?

We currently have 9 sections of our modular layout that run Gargraves.
I have found that the hollow rail is easy to dent. Every time we take
the system somewhere, I find more small but visible dents on the line.
I like the wooden ties (tho they are way oversize) but the fragile
rail has led me to look for replacement track. I'm leaning toward
American S flextrack.

The rail is nickel-silver, a bit harder and more resistent to
corrosion than brass. The ties are S scale, much smaller than GG.
Their height was chosen so that when Am S track is mounted on 1/4"
thick roadbed, the railhead height will match AF track in rubber
roadbed. That is very important for me since it will be mated to good
old AF track at two points. The ties are made of a UV resistent
plastic so the track can be used for outdoor layouts.

Only "con" I can think of is that American S track is more expensive
per foot than GG. But Am-S should last a LOT longer.

Chuck F.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43173 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/24/2007
Subject: Re: TRACK PRO's & CON's
Roy,
They say on their web site the Sw's are in.They also use an Atlas
Type controller. They have 3 different #'s The thing I think that will really
help to get this track "GOING" is the crossovers they have planned. I can't
recall of hand but I think 3 are planned. The cost is about the same as the
Lionel (K-Line). Mike(in Or)


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43174 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/24/2007
Subject: Re: TRACK PRO's & CON's
Mike, et al;
Maybe by now you have all read the email from Doug Peck saying that the
Classic Trains switches (turnouts) are either on the water or in California,
don't remember which. But it would seem to be good news.
I have seen the track up close and personal, and I thought it looked very
realistic and especially liked the way it connected; very slick. I also like
the spacing and the size of the ties.
For some scale folks the .172 code might be a tad high, but with a little
judicious ballasting it might work for some of them even.
I will be very interested to see if the switches perform as advertised:
supposed to handle any S wheels from any manufacturer, scale or hi-rail.
Roy Inman

From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:29:10 -0500
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@...
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: TRACK PRO's & CON's


Mike,

That is the track I will be using for a future layout, as I picked up enough
to see how it is, 12 curves and 6 straight. The rail is solid brass, I
think, as gargaves is not solid.

I think you have seen it on the webpage, but it looks like HO track but
nicer. When the track comes together, you can not see where the ends are,
like the Atlas track, with a box looking end, the ties. The ties have a
woodgrain look and the track connectors, fishplates, have rivets on them.
You will have to use road bed, as I will use a gray ballast on it.

The only thing holding me up and others, I am sure, it the switches. I was
told they were due in December, but that did not happen.

I think once the switches come in, sales of this track will go up.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: anormal1@... <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 6:42 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: TRACK PRO's & CON's

Has anyone used the code 172 SOLID NS track from Classic Trains? If so what
are the Pro's & Con's? How does it compare to Gargrave's? Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43175 From: George Cohn Date: 1/24/2007
Subject: Re: K-Line/Lionel track
johnandrew002 wrote:
>
>
> Can anyone tell me if the K-Line track mates with the old American Flyer
> variety?
> Are they identical?

I picked up about 70 pieces of 54 inch curved K-Line and rubber roadbed
a year or so ago.

I was not terribly impressed with it.

The pins look like they are sheared off with a dull pair of wire cutters
instead of being rounded and the ties look like they are painted instead
of black oxide like the original AF track.

It does mate with AF track OK but I took a small fine file and dressed
the pins first. I had to do this to even get some of the K-Line to mate
with itself.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 43176 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/24/2007
Subject: Re: BUTTON 4 MIKE
Mike,

I thought so. But just because I like you, I will allow you to bid on that item. It will go good with the crossovers from Classic Track on a layout.

I really think AC Gilbert himself melted that piece.

Mike in MD
----- Original Message -----
From: Anormal1@...
To: mlmarmer@...
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 2:24 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BUTTON 4 MIKE


Sorry Mike,
It was for you. You have a sales history with him, Mike(In Oregon)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43177 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/24/2007
Subject: NASG promo materials request-Help!
Help!

I lost yet another battle with the cyber gremlins and some email files
disappeared.

So, if there is anyone out there who is expecting NASG promotional materials
and has not yet received them for an impending show, please let me know
ASAP.

I have this nagging feeling that there was a request for promo stuff for
sometime around the first of February, besides the one I already filled.

Roy Inman, learning the hard way to backup, backup, backup...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43178 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/24/2007
Subject: Re: TRACK PRO's & CON's
Re: [S-Trains] RE: TRACK PRO's & CON'sRoy,

Doug wrote me about the switches and I was not going to say anything about that. But since he has email many of you as I gather this is from a email listing from him as I am not on one as I asked him about them he told me the switches are due in San Diego on 1-27.

I have heard this before and I hope it is true.

Mike in MD home of the Terrapins not the Beavers or Ducks! LOL
----- Original Message -----
From: Roy Inman
To: Michael and Linda Marmer ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; anormal1@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 2:27 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: TRACK PRO's & CON's


Mike, et al;
Maybe by now you have all read the email from Doug Peck saying that the Classic Trains switches (turnouts) are either on the water or in California, don't remember which. But it would seem to be good news.
I have seen the track up close and personal, and I thought it looked very realistic and especially liked the way it connected; very slick. I also like the spacing and the size of the ties.
For some scale folks the .172 code might be a tad high, but with a little judicious ballasting it might work for some of them even.
I will be very interested to see if the switches perform as advertised: supposed to handle any S wheels from any manufacturer, scale or hi-rail.
Roy Inman


From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:29:10 -0500
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@...
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: TRACK PRO's & CON's




Mike,

That is the track I will be using for a future layout, as I picked up enough to see how it is, 12 curves and 6 straight. The rail is solid brass, I think, as gargaves is not solid.

I think you have seen it on the webpage, but it looks like HO track but nicer. When the track comes together, you can not see where the ends are, like the Atlas track, with a box looking end, the ties. The ties have a woodgrain look and the track connectors, fishplates, have rivets on them. You will have to use road bed, as I will use a gray ballast on it.

The only thing holding me up and others, I am sure, it the switches I was told they were due in December, but that did not happen.

I think once the switches come in, sales of this track will go up.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: anormal1@... <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 6:42 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: TRACK PRO's & CON's

Has anyone used the code 172 SOLID NS track from Classic Trains? If so what
are the Pro's & Con's? How does it compare to Gargrave's? Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43179 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/24/2007
Subject: Re: BUTTON 4 MIKE
Sorry Mike,
It was for you. You have a sales history with him,
Mike(In Oregon)


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43180 From: George Cohn Date: 1/24/2007
Subject: Re: BUTTON 4 MIKE
Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

>
> I know people try to save as much junk AF they can, but this thing needs
> to put out of it misery.

LOL! You guys are cruel.

My other hobby is restoring old British cars.

I've seen folks take a truckload of rust and make a new car out of it.
Restoring that button would take them about 15 minutes. ;-)

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 43181 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 1/24/2007
Subject: Re: Difference between new "Legacy" and TMCC control systems
Scott,

A Cab-1 will work all the features on TMCC-2 that your TMCC-1 does now.

You will not have the new remote's display features using a Cab-1 for engine readouts and speed etc. that the TMCC-2 Remote has. Functionally they are backwards compatible for standard features.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of srgriggs
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 12:23 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Difference between new "Legacy" and TMCC control systems


In leafing through the new Lionel catalog, I noticed they have rolled
out their new "Legacy" control system (including new CAB2 remote).
What wasn't made clear (or maybe I just missed it) is whether
locomotives equipped with Legacy can be operated at least in some
capacity by a CAB1 remote and first generation TMCC Command Base.
There is an odd mix of engines with both original TMCC and the new
Legacy system (i.e. some really top-of-the-line O gauge engines are
equipped with original TMCC, while certain other mid-range stuff has
the Legacy system and vice versa). I noticed that the Flyonel Jersey
Central Blue Comet set has the Legacy system and does not show a TMCC
icon. I would be disappointed if I bought one and found out I needed
to buy a new command control setup to access all of its features.
Anyone have the full story on the new control system?

Scott



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43182 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/24/2007
Subject: Re: TRACK PRO's & CON's
Just to clarify.....this is what I was told by Nick Mescher, when I inquired about status of my pending shipment.......actually, the date was 1/24, so if all is according to plan, they arrive in port today!
If I hear anything new, I will post it.

<<<Doug wrote me about the switches and I was not going to say anything about that. But since he has email many of you as I gather this is from a email listing from him as I am not on one as I asked him about them he told me the switches are due in San Diego on 1-27. I have heard this before and I hope it is true.
>>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST)
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43183 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 1/24/2007
Subject: Re: BUTTON 4 MIKE
MIKE..... Yes I was referring to you..... Funny.....I thought I would click on an item out of curiousity..... when I saw this I thought of you...... Funny but out of his 1000 listings its the only one I picked..... WONDER ABOUT THE REST..... HAVE FUN..... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; ROBERT ALLEN CONNER
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BUTTON 4 MIKE


Bob,

Did you mean me? No, I think I will let you bid on the good stuff for this guy.

But then, maybe you meant Mike of Oregon, as he loves this stuff from this guy.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry, as it took allot of courage for him to put this thing on ebay.

I know people try to save as much junk AF they can, but this thing needs to put out of it misery.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 6:55 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] BUTTON 4 MIKE

Mike.... here is a button you need.... some wear on top....
Bob

http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-S-2-IN-1-WHISTLE-CONTROL_W0QQitemZ180078184289QQihZ008QQcategoryZ480QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item180078184289

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43184 From: daysend40 Date: 1/24/2007
Subject: American Models Heavy Weight Passenger Cars
Hello
I am running 8- AM Heavy Weight Pass. Cars with interior
incadescent lighting. The problem is that with all these cars I have
a hight amperage draw. Does anyone know where I can purchase LED
lighting units for these cars?
Thanks
Joe Wagner
traimmaster1940@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43185 From: Phil K Date: 1/25/2007
Subject: Re: American Models Heavy Weight Passenger Cars
Try this for starters:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/39392

****************************************************************
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "daysend40" <trainmaster1940@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello
> I am running 8- AM Heavy Weight Pass. Cars with interior
> incadescent lighting. The problem is that with all these cars I have
> a hight amperage draw. Does anyone know where I can purchase LED
> lighting units for these cars?
> Thanks
> Joe Wagner
> traimmaster1940@...
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43186 From: dr21244 Date: 1/25/2007
Subject: Re: Transfers
Hi All, can anyone tell me the best place to get dry transfers, I'm
restoring afew engines and I need the silver 300's. Thanks in
advance, Don Rodgers Fl.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43187 From: Donald Thompson Date: 1/25/2007
Subject: Re: SHS blatant 40' container marketing
The 40' Ocean shipping containers with chassis arrived today. They
fit in the SSA Gunderson Husky stack well cars. The container weighs 12
oz. The end doors open and the door opening hardware is cast on and
painted silver. They are all unlettered and painted in a medium red.
We will start shipping tomorrow and the cost is $39.95 .. You can see
them at:

http://www.showcaseline.com/s_scale_america/s_scale_america_Gunderson_in_stock.html#container

I talked to Ron of Des Plaines Hobbies today and told him the news.
He told me that more Gundersons were on the way to us and we would
have them on Friday. I think he said he only had the red CRLE cars. He
sent both AF comp. and code 110. The DTTX cars are now sold out, but a
second run will be produced and the coupler issue addressed.

Best regards,
Don
Group: S-Trains Message: 43188 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 1/25/2007
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] New Northern Smoke
Hi all,

A train repairman customer of mine says he is taking the "L" smoke unit out
of the new Northerns and replacing it with a Gilbert. Says it bolts right
in. I haven't had the time to crack open one and see for myself, so you can
take it from there.

Regards,

Fred





In a message dated 12/31/2006 5:55:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
carl@... writes:

First I want to please, not let this be a start of a Bash Lionel thread for
making a poor smoker. That discussion has been done before.

This is a post that has some ideas for improving the smoke, silencing the
squeak amd making a good loco better.

The parts only cost $1.35 and some time to play.

Here is the link:
_http://www.tuveson.http://www.tuveshttp://www.thttp://wwwhtt_
(http://www.tuveson.com/NorthernSmoke/improving_the_smoke.htm)

Enjoy.. and Happy new Year,
Carl





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43189 From: Phil K Date: 1/25/2007
Subject: Re: Transfers
Might I add that Doug Peck also sells stamps and all the accouterments
so that you might re-stamp your restorations and make them look even
more authentic?

> Hi All, can anyone tell me the best place to get dry transfers, I'm
> restoring afew engines and I need the silver 300's. Thanks in
> advance, Don Rodgers Fl.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43190 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/26/2007
Subject: Fwd: CROSSOVERS & SW's
Here is a reply from Nick of Classic Trains, about their SW's & crossovers.
I have checked Gargrave's & K-Line(Lionel) & I feel Nicks track system in the
short & long run to be the way to go. The only thing is waiting for the
other SW's & crossovers to come out. Mike (OR)


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43191 From: Don Rodgers Sr. Date: 1/26/2007
Subject: Re: Mail
Hi Paul, I don't think I'm receiving email again, can you please direct me the to the re activate sight.. Thanks Don

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43192 From: Phil K Date: 1/26/2007
Subject: Re: Transfers (More info)
Don, somehow my first reply did not go through. I sent this as a follow-
up.

My original reply said to check Doug Peck's website at:

http://www.portlines.com

I know he has some transfers.


> Might I add that Doug Peck also sells stamps and all the
accouterments
> so that you might re-stamp your restorations and make them look even
> more authentic?
>
> > Hi All, can anyone tell me the best place to get dry transfers, I'm
> > restoring afew engines and I need the silver 300's. Thanks in
> > advance, Don Rodgers Fl.
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43193 From: toymyb Date: 1/26/2007
Subject: Legacy System
I noticed that the new NJC Passenger Set's Pacific engine has the new
Lionel Legacy System...but it doesn't appear to have the remote
control couplers and cruise control...did I miss something? If not why
is this?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43194 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/26/2007
Subject: Re: SW's & Crossovers from Classic Trains
US Customs have switches and we will update webpage as soon as we hear from
them.

Crossovers will be made some time this coming year.

I do not know what Gargraves charges for track. We lowered our price on all
track products to be competitive. Solid code .172 Nickel/Silver rail is not
cheap.

Regards,
Nick
Classic Trains
American "S" Gauge


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43195 From: John Degnan Date: 1/26/2007
Subject: SEABOARD BOXCAR PROJECT UPDATE!!!
A bit of time has possed since I last posted the status of this project, so I thought another notice would be in order...

As things stand... I should have the ACTUAL PULLMAN DRAWINGS for this 1941 Seaboard Air Line, Class B-7 "Turtle-Back" boxcar IN MY HANDS by the end of NEXT WEEK!!! At which point, I will take a day or two to have a spare set of copies made (for MYSELF, to protect my original) to send to Jim King for the production of the model. So Jim should have the drawings in hand by Feb. 10th (barring any unforeseen, cataclysmic events). And to the best of my knowledge, this car is 4th in line on his list of S scale kits (one of which has already come to pass (the SR Gondola)), so there is a very good chance we'll see this kit by the end of the year!

Any questions? Please contact me at scaler164@... or Jim King at jimking3@....


John Degnan
Scaler164@...
The Seaboard Air Line Information Collective and Photo Archive
www.trainweb.org/seaboard or
www.trainweb.org/seabonard/index.htm
Obscure? My @$$!!!


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43196 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 1/26/2007
Subject: Re: Legacy System
Lionel has not offered remote couplers yet for "S" products only "O" gauge.
It would be cool though!

Cruise probably will be included eventually in "S" but you will have to ask Lionel when. It may not be until next year?

Other Legacey features such as Railsounds 5 should be there in this engine though.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of toymyb
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 11:07 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Legacy System


I noticed that the new NJC Passenger Set's Pacific engine has the new
Lionel Legacy System...but it doesn't appear to have the remote
control couplers and cruise control...did I miss something? If not why
is this?



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43197 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: Crossheads Binding
I recently purchased a fixer-upper 21105. It's a plastic Atlantic
with smoke and choo-choo. I wasn't even sure it ran, but since I
only gave $18.00 for it, I felt it was worth the risk. When I
applied power, the motor tried to run, then siezed.

The value of this forum came to mind as I recalled a post on here
from a fellow that had a seizing problem and all the suggestions you
good folks sent in for possible causes.

One by one I started eliminating possibilities. When I removed the
connecting rods, the motor took off and ran well. I thought maybe
one of the rods might be bent, but they were straight. I thought
maybe one of the crossheads might not be in the slot correctly, but
they were. The crossheads looked like brand new chromed repros.

Still, when I reconnected the side rods, the motor seized immediately.

Thinking it had to be something in the connecting rods or crosshead
assembly, I slowly rotated the motor with my finger and watched the
crosshead through a magnifier. When the drive wheel extended the
connecting rod to its full length, the end of the crosshead hit the
loco. It literally "bottomed out". I ground off about an eighth
inch from the ends and re-installed them. This time the little
engine took off and ran like a charm.

I have not seen this before, I assumed all Atlantics used the same
crossheads. Thinking back on it now, I should have compared the repro
to an original from another engine to see exactly what the difference
was, but now they are ground down. Anyone else run into this problem?

Jim E.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43198 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: (no subject)
The problem Jim posted below is caused by someone replaced the
missing crossheads with Lionel crossheads which look similar,but are just
a bit longer
Jerry HR77-11644






5. Crossheads Binding
Posted by: "hugoroundhouse" jimensign50@... hugoroundhouse
Date: Sat Jan 27, 2007 4:46 am ((PST))

I recently purchased a fixer-upper 21105. It's a plastic Atlantic
with smoke and choo-choo. I wasn't even sure it ran, but since I
only gave $18.00 for it, I felt it was worth the risk. When I
applied power, the motor tried to run, then siezed.

The value of this forum came to mind as I recalled a post on here
from a fellow that had a seizing problem and all the suggestions you
good folks sent in for possible causes.

One by one I started eliminating possibilities. When I removed the
connecting rods, the motor took off and ran well. I thought maybe
one of the rods might be bent, but they were straight. I thought
maybe one of the crossheads might not be in the slot correctly, but
they were. The crossheads looked like brand new chromed repros.

Still, when I reconnected the side rods, the motor seized immediately.

Thinking it had to be something in the connecting rods or crosshead
assembly, I slowly rotated the motor with my finger and watched the
crosshead through a magnifier. When the drive wheel extended the
connecting rod to its full length, the end of the crosshead hit the
loco. It literally "bottomed out". I ground off about an eighth
inch from the ends and re-installed them. This time the little
engine took off and ran like a charm.

I have not seen this before, I assumed all Atlantics used the same
crossheads. Thinking back on it now, I should have compared the repro
to an original from another engine to see exactly what the difference
was, but now they are ground down. Anyone else run into this problem?

Jim E.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43199 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: ??
I have posted this message two times & haven't seen is come up. Is the S
trains group no longer posting for sale items?? A similar car is listed
in the TCA quarterly for $200.00 . I believe it would sell for much
more on E-Bay. I don't like E-Bay & would like to pass a nice car to a
collector that would appreciate a nice item, hoping they would not turn
it around on E-Bay.
Jerry HR77-11644

I have an extra Gilbert pike master # 24566 with load + plastic cover
for the load, no broken parts,real good shape. $125.00 + shipping &
insurance.
Contact me off grdobbs@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43200 From: Bruce D. Willis Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: Re: New Flyonel
It looks like they photoshoped an old link coupler stock car. They
updated the graphics and replaced the link couplers with theirs, but as
you say, those are the old ACG stamped trucks. Also notice the riveted
door guides and riveted brake wheel. So, will this car have open
slats? Who knows.
- Bruce W.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> wrote:
>
> Stock car finally! But notice the trucks under it--they look like
Link
> coupler stamped trucks with flyonel couplers! Hmmm.
> David D.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43201 From: T Larson Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: AmTrak
Can anybody tell me a "going rate" for an AM Amtrak set in good condition?
I've not seen them on eBay to get a price.
Please reply off-list.
Thanks,

--
Ted Larson
Group: S-Trains Message: 43202 From: Phil K Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: For sale "S" items are posted at ...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AvailableSgauge/



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Gerald Dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote:
>
> I have posted this message two times & haven't seen is come up. Is
the S
> trains group no longer posting for sale items?? A similar car is
listed
> in the TCA quarterly for $200.00 . I believe it would sell for much
> more on E-Bay. I don't like E-Bay & would like to pass a nice car to
a
> collector that would appreciate a nice item, hoping they would not
turn
> it around on E-Bay.
> Jerry HR77-11644
>
> I have an extra Gilbert pike master # 24566 with load + plastic cover
> for the load, no broken parts,real good shape. $125.00 + shipping &
> insurance.
> Contact me off grdobbs@...
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43203 From: Phil K Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: Re: AmTrak
American Models has them listed in their "Blowout" sales listings for
$299 NIB.

So I'd say for one in "good" condition (not E or VG) maybe $80.

Phil K

*******************************************************************
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, T Larson <mhrre@...> wrote:
>
> Can anybody tell me a "going rate" for an AM Amtrak set in good
condition?
> I've not seen them on eBay to get a price.
> Please reply off-list.
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Ted Larson
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43204 From: The LANIERs Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: Re: Crossheads Binding
Flyer made two different but similar crossheads, one for the Atlantics and one for the Pacifics. The one for the Pacifics is just a little bit longer than the other. It is easy to miss this unless you are looking at both together. Part #'s are PA10888 - Pacific, and PA11099 - Atlantic.

Paflyrman
----- Original Message -----
From: hugoroundhouse
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 4:17 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Crossheads Binding


I recently purchased a fixer-upper 21105. It's a plastic Atlantic
with smoke and choo-choo. I wasn't even sure it ran, but since I
only gave $18.00 for it, I felt it was worth the risk. When I
applied power, the motor tried to run, then siezed.

The value of this forum came to mind as I recalled a post on here
from a fellow that had a seizing problem and all the suggestions you
good folks sent in for possible causes.

One by one I started eliminating possibilities. When I removed the
connecting rods, the motor took off and ran well. I thought maybe
one of the rods might be bent, but they were straight. I thought
maybe one of the crossheads might not be in the slot correctly, but
they were. The crossheads looked like brand new chromed repros.

Still, when I reconnected the side rods, the motor seized immediately.

Thinking it had to be something in the connecting rods or crosshead
assembly, I slowly rotated the motor with my finger and watched the
crosshead through a magnifier. When the drive wheel extended the
connecting rod to its full length, the end of the crosshead hit the
loco. It literally "bottomed out". I ground off about an eighth
inch from the ends and re-installed them. This time the little
engine took off and ran like a charm.

I have not seen this before, I assumed all Atlantics used the same
crossheads. Thinking back on it now, I should have compared the repro
to an original from another engine to see exactly what the difference
was, but now they are ground down. Anyone else run into this problem?

Jim E.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43205 From: Phil K Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: Free American Flyer wallpaper for your PC
Classic Toy Trains has a variety of model train wallpaper for desktop
computers -- and while heavy in Lionel, there is a nice photo of the
Gilbert American Flyer MoPac set -- in three pixel sizes. Go here to
download free:

http://www.trains.com/ctt/default.aspx?c=a&id=738
Group: S-Trains Message: 43206 From: srgriggs Date: 1/27/2007
Subject: Reissues of prewar/early postwar AF signals
I'm interested in the new 582/587/588 signals shown in the latest
Lionel catalog. These are reissues of signal accessories cataloged
in the late prewar/early postwar AF line and look much closer to "S"
scale than the 760 highway flashers and 761 semaphores offered
widely during the 1950's. Does anyone have any insights into how
these will operate? I'm curious if the 582 highway flasher lights
will alternate like a real crossing buck or if they will blink in
unison to the rhythm of passing wheel flanges, like the 760 did with
its track trips. I looked up the operating instructions for the
original 587 block signal in the K-Line AF service manual and it
says the signal could display either a red or green indication. The
1946 AF catalog says the same thing. I've never taken a close look
at an original, but since there only appears to be room behind the
lens for one bulb, I wonder how they did that (movable color lens
like in a switch?). Hopefully, both the 587 and 588 semaphore
reissues will be able to control two trains on the same track like
the Gilber 761.

Looking forward to these three items becoming available.

Scott
Group: S-Trains Message: 43207 From: John Date: 1/28/2007
Subject: Reissues of prewar/early postwar AF signals
Scott,
The original highway flasher did not alternate. Like the 760, the lights flash together. In the lionel catalog picture, it seems to indicate otherwise, but those pictures are only photoshop and not neccessarily how it will be when produced. Both the highway flasher and the block signal work on the same technology: a fiberoptic plastic tube that relays the light from a bulb in the base. The block signal has a small red/green shutter that changes the color of the light conveyed up the plastic tube. I do not know as much about the semaphore, but my recollection is that it is just like a sam with a small bulb behind the flag (just no sam or shack). Hope that helps.

John Redford

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43208 From: Paul Yorke Date: 1/28/2007
Subject: Paul Yorke Update
1) The note about the wallpaper reminded me about some screen savers I
created years ago, see
http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/scrensav/scrensav.htm

2) I am sending out my last bundle of surplus train mags. I suggest you
might consider it yourself. Sending mags is very cheap if you tell the clerk
it is 'media' ,which it is. They also want to be sure you are not slipping
in a letter, which I don't. The mags were just gathering dust, and the other
guys were thrilled to get them.

3) non-train , my owls are nesting and we have one egg so far, for details
see http://owlwatch.org

I have been real busy with my business and my other interests, just want to
say thanks again to those folks that have taken up management of the lists
and the photo album. In the past we have seen websites disappear because
they depended exclusively on one person. I don't think that will be the case
for the lists. I still have my trains, and hope to run them soon, maybe
after the owl season. Or after my photovoltaic system is installed, or
maybe after my trip to Alaska. (see what I mean)

See you at Sunday Night chat.

Paul Yorke


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43209 From: toymyb Date: 1/28/2007
Subject: Decals/Logos
I am wanting to use our company logo and put it on an American Models
tank car...any suggestions on what type of transfer/label paper I
should use? Will produce them off of a laser printer.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43210 From: George Cohn Date: 1/28/2007
Subject: Re: Reissues of prewar/early postwar AF signals
John wrote:

> Scott,
> The original highway flasher did not alternate. Like the 760, the lights
> flash together. In the lionel catalog picture, it seems to indicate
> otherwise, but those pictures are only photoshop and not neccessarily
> how it will be when produced.

A year or so ago, I converted a 759 and a couple of 760's to alternate
flashing. The physical conversion is simple but the circuit to make it
work is a bit more complex.

Because of the current that the bulbs draw, and especially the bell on
the 759, it requires some fairly hefty pass transistors.

Here's a write up I did on mine: http://tinyurl.com/f22on

Were I to do it again today, I would probably use a pic controller chip
for the logic but it would still need the hefty pass transistors.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 43211 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/28/2007
Subject: Reissues of prewar/early postwar AF signals
The original highway flasher did not alternate. Like the 760, the lights
flash together. In the lionel catalog picture, it seems to indicate-----





On our PVMR travelling layouts as well as the "S" layout at NTTM I solved
the problem by installing red flashing lamps, powered all the time. Easier and
quicker than dealing with problematic track trips on multiple tracks.

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43212 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/28/2007
Subject: AF switch question
I have a AF switch from 11-51, as that is date inside, that is leaving a small gap when being switch from curve to straight. The gap is when is goes back to straight.

Is there a way to adjust the turning of the track on the switch?

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43213 From: Tom Hawley Date: 1/28/2007
Subject: Re: American Models Heavy Weight Passenger Cars
----- Original Message ----- ( on S-Trains )
From: daysend40 [Joe Wagner]
. . . AM Heavy Weight Pass. Cars with interior incandescent lighting. . . .
. a high amperage draw. Does anyone know where I can purchase LED lighting
units for these cars?
> > > > > > >
My first response to this problem is to wonder how easy it will be for you
to open up these cars. Some of us have greater digital dexterity than
others, and some of those heavy-weights are sealed tighter than others, so I
just advise you to be sure you can get them open first.

Then -- I just saw an advert in the Jan 2007 NMRA Scale Rails for Rapido's
Battery-powered lighting system for passenger cars. It says it's good for
HO and S. You can read about it at http://www.rapidotrains.com/index2.html
and click on the "Light up your Life" part at the top.

It says available winter 2007, so I sent an e-mail and enquired of
availability. The response was that they expect them in their warehouse at
the beginning of March and they should reach your dealer in 2 or 3 weeks.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
Group: S-Trains Message: 43214 From: Phil K Date: 1/28/2007
Subject: Re: Transfers
> Hi All, can anyone tell me the best place to get dry transfers, I'm
> restoring afew engines and I need the silver 300's. Thanks in
> advance, Don Rodgers Fl.

http://www.portlines.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 43215 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 1/28/2007
Subject: AF Switch problem
I was able to solve the problem of the gap in the switch.

It seems, that the switching rod was not connected to the mechanism that throws the red or green indicated. There the arm was hitting that piece of metal, causing the gap.

I do thank Jerry Dobbs for emailing me about the spring in the switch, as that was not it. Thanks Jerry.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43216 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: (no subject)
Gentlemen,

New Lionel Catalogue looks good. However, was wondering why they didn't put
out the Pacific in different road names. I was hoping for Pa or something
like that. Also signal units look good but not sure of how they will look
and how do they hook up to all of the S helper track that I have. Well
anyway we shall see.

Joe Haughney





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43217 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: S promo materials
Thanks to all who sent or re-sent requests for S promotional materials.

Everything went out yesterday on UPS and they tell me delivery should take
three days max from here in the hinterland of Mid-America, even to either
coast.

And to everyone: Even if you are involved in a small show, don't hesitate to
contact me about getting something to hand out. Seems to me that we need to
promote S to potential 3/16th (or, 1/64th) modelers/collectors/hobbyists one
at a time as well as to the masses.

Cheers :)

Roy Inman
Group: S-Trains Message: 43218 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: For sale
I have an extra Gilbert pike master # 24566 with load + plastic cover
for the load, no broken parts,real good shape. $125.00 + shipping &
insurance.
Contact me off grdobbs@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43219 From: Russ Dondero Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: Santa Fe B unit
I remember seeing a Floynel Sante Fe B unit with
railsounds advertized in the last few years.

Does anyone remember or know where I might find one?

Russ in Oregon



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43220 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: Re: K-Line/Lionel track
I have some of the older K-Line track and the pins are a bit fatter than the Gilbert pins. It's a tough fit, but with a little work I can get them together.


George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote:
johnandrew002 wrote:
>
>
> Can anyone tell me if the K-Line track mates with the old American Flyer
> variety?
> Are they identical?

I picked up about 70 pieces of 54 inch curved K-Line and rubber roadbed
a year or so ago.

I was not terribly impressed with it.

The pins look like they are sheared off with a dull pair of wire cutters
instead of being rounded and the ties look like they are painted instead
of black oxide like the original AF track.

It does mate with AF track OK but I took a small fine file and dressed
the pins first. I had to do this to even get some of the K-Line to mate
with itself.

George Cohn





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43221 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: Re: Santa Fe B unit
Try posting a wanted advert on available s gauge through the Yahoo groups.
I also see lots of S stuff for sale in the ads in CTT.
Roy Inman

From: Russ Dondero <russtrainmax@...>
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:24:47 -0800 (PST)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Santa Fe B unit



I remember seeing a Floynel Sante Fe B unit with
railsounds advertized in the last few years.

Does anyone remember or know where I might find one?

Russ in Oregon

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43222 From: Bill Adams Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: Do you want a good laugh?
Over the past few years, I've read with interest, awe and envy all
the postings from this group. All the questions I've asked have
been answered promptly, with definitive clarity and at times with
such a degree of obvious techonogical knowhow that leaves me
clueless. Does anyone ever make mistakes or do stupid things
besides myself? In the past year or so since I've set my 5' x 10'
6" table up (after a forty plus year absence), I've had one mishap
after another! My Royal Blue came sailing off the elevated track
layout and crushed my scratch built Baptist church......blew it
right to smitherines! Then I roughed in the base section of a
mountain with about 300 scale feet of scratchbuilt retaining wall
with four portals. I tried hand rolling my New Haven passenger cars
through the first portal and it worked great. But I moved the
portal from a straight to a curved section of track...(stupid
me)...well, after I ran my 302AC Atlantic through it at warp nine I
lost the portal and a bunch of retaining wall. After rebuilding it,
all worked well until I tried my 322 Hudson towing a small
freight.....no one told me when you back up a Hudson, the rear cab
portion of the engine sticks out further then the coaches...... I
lost the portal, a whole bunch more of retaining wall and most of
the support structure that held an AC beacon on the side of the
mountain. Those 322's are strong.....the support structure
collapsed, the AC beacon tipped over on three tracks - making a lot
of sparks, the retaining wall came apart and the portal just about
blew up.....it reminded my of that volcano that erupted out west
several years ago..... For months I've been trying to come up with
the "perfect" faded red rusty color for an old warehouse I'm
building and I found it......watered down wood glue, alcohol and
spilled coffee mixed into a towel in about a 4-2-2-3 ratio with
human blood......mine. Scratchbuilding is a dangerous business;
exacto knives are real sharp. I got by with a butterfly bandage - -
didn't need the stitches. Then, a couple weeks ago I fired up all
my lighted accessories and two trains....one of my original 75 watt
transformers started making a real funny noise and the other one
started to "smell funny" and got real real warm. I shut everything
down. Then I broke down and bought a Trainmaster KW 300 watt
transformer. The AC Gilbert "God" must have frowned upon me for
going to the "dark side" of the aisle to get the transformer. Now,
I can't get the darn thing to work! Every time I throttle back the
power, the red/green lights on my switch controls start to dim.....
I'm gonna head down to the Semaphore Saloon......then I'll start all
over again tomorrow. God - - I love this hobby.

Bill Adams
Rochester, NY
Group: S-Trains Message: 43223 From: Howard Sheffield Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: Re: Do you want a good laugh?
Hello Bill

Thanks for the post. You have made my day with your humor. I
especially appreciate it after my last week of disaster modeling. I
had just finished one of the Jim King gons when I managed to put it
down wrong and it rolled off the table when I turned my back. After
reattaching the tiny pieces, I managed to smudge the paint and had to
repaint. I won't go into the buildings I have been trying to get
ready for the O and S scale show.

Yes,, the blood letting is all part of the modeling hobby. When
constructing our house, my wife began to think that if I wasn't
bleeding, I wasn't working. Have any of you ever tried putting
together models with only 3 fingers not in bandaids.

Howard Sheffield


On Jan 29, 2007, at 10:01 AM, Bill Adams wrote:

> Over the past few years, I've read with interest, awe and envy all
> the postings from this group. All the questions I've asked have
> been answered promptly, with definitive clarity and at times with
> such a degree of obvious techonogical knowhow that leaves me
> clueless. Does anyone ever make mistakes or do stupid things
> besides myself?


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43224 From: Mark Preman Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: 20% Off Sale
We had some fun before the holidays with sales so let's continue. For the month of February, 20% off anything on my website that is green! For the S-Trains list only. Please ask for the discount so I know you are on the list. (subject to prior sale) Shop till ya drop! Mark
http://www.americanflyertrains.com



Mark B. Preman
AmericanFlyerTrains.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 43225 From: toymyb Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: SHS Grand Union Reefer
Anyone have one for sale?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43226 From: Trains Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: Re: Santa Fe B unit
A number of dealers have the Railsounds B units in various paint schems ...prices range from abou $95 to $139 or so Charles Ro, Grabowskies, etc. I became aware that the latest versions have more features??? someone on the list will know more than me about this. Then just get a ATSF B unit shell and swap it with whatever you can pick-up for lowest price, then resell the other shell. Thisx way you get what you want. drktrains on ebay...Dr. K. Loeb (Peter)


----- Original Message -----
From: Roy Inman
To: Russ Dondero ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Santa Fe B unit


Try posting a wanted advert on available s gauge through the Yahoo groups.
I also see lots of S stuff for sale in the ads in CTT.
Roy Inman

From: Russ Dondero <russtrainmax@...>
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:24:47 -0800 (PST)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Santa Fe B unit

I remember seeing a Floynel Sante Fe B unit with
railsounds advertized in the last few years.

Does anyone remember or know where I might find one?

Russ in Oregon

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43227 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: Fwd: FW: Check out lionel_commercial
Lionel got themselves a nice plug here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


-------------- Forwarded Message: --------------
From: PDNG@...
To: ajcaruso@..., richardcotter0358@..., micsal@...
Subject: Check out lionel_commercial
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:39:07 +0000
_Click here: lionel_commercial_
(http://www.lionel.com/commercial/lionel_commercial.html)







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Group: S-Trains Message: 43228 From: Eric R. Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: AM BUDD car set for sale
I have a set of 4 American Models Budd Cars for sale.



This set is the harder to find Painted silver set, NOT chrome set.



These cars unlettered, and had hi-rail wheels and Knuckle couplers.



These are basically new in the box but have been displayed a bit.



I was going to make them into Sante Fe but changed projects. I have 3 sets
of old Sante Fe Passenger car Decals I will include if wanted.



New AM price is $289 plus ship.



I will let them go for $229.00 INCLUDING SHIPPING to USA48.



Eric Reis

Kenmore, Wa.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43229 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: Re: FLYONEL'S Pacific
FLYONEL'S Pacific resembles NOTHING the PRR ever had. Thankfully they
DIDN'T go the HO & O route, throwing every RR name on every loco they build. The
PRR's Pacifics were easily discerned from others of the same class
designation, from the earliest to the last, the K-5, which ACG chose to model.

The "Belpaire" firebox is the give-away. Only Great Northern also had
Belpaires in abundance. The NYC had a few they inadvertantly bought with a PRR
cast-off line.

Jim "livin' on the PENNSY Main" Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43230 From: Roy Inman Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: Electrical problem -help!
Dear S gurus:

Picture an AM AMTRAK set running smoothly on a loop of AM sectional track.
Powered by an old Lionel KW.

Now picture the same set, same track, same transformer, same AM track
connector wires and set up in another location on another day (on a marble
table top at Union Station). But now, whenever I put a single car, or all
four cars , or just the engine, or all the cars and engine, on the loop of
track, the red short light glows on the transformer. The engine will not
move, although there is a dim headlight.

I understand that such a problem is hard to judge from a distance.

But has anyone ever encountered a similar, and if so, would that someone
please pass along to me what might be wrong?

I have tried reversing the leads, and tried changing the leads on the
transformer from one side to the other.

Any suggestions appreciated. Well, almost any. I really don't want to toss
everything and start over LOL!

Cheers :)

Roy Inman
PS: AC, hi-rail wheels, scale couplers.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43231 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/29/2007
Subject: Fwd: CROSSOVERS & SW's
Here is a reply from Nick of Classic Trains, about their SW's & crossovers.
I have checked Gargrave's & K-Line(Lionel) & I feel Nicks track system in the
short & long run to be the way to go. The only thing is waiting for the
other SW's & crossovers to come out. Mike (OR)


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43232 From: William Porter Date: 1/30/2007
Subject: Re: Electrical problem -help!
Hi Roy,



In addition to the other, good advice, check the wires from the transformer.
If you are using stranded wire without tinning (or connectors) it may be
that one strand of wire has come loose and touched the dark side.



Good Luck



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Roy Inman
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:01 AM
To: S-Scale; S-trains
Subject: [S-Trains] Electrical problem -help!



Dear S gurus:

Picture an AM AMTRAK set running smoothly on a loop of AM sectional track.
Powered by an old Lionel KW.

Now picture the same set, same track, same transformer, same AM track
connector wires and set up in another location on another day (on a marble
table top at Union Station). But now, whenever I put a single car, or all
four cars , or just the engine, or all the cars and engine, on the loop of
track, the red short light glows on the transformer. The engine will not
move, although there is a dim headlight.

I understand that such a problem is hard to judge from a distance.

But has anyone ever encountered a similar, and if so, would that someone
please pass along to me what might be wrong?

I have tried reversing the leads, and tried changing the leads on the
transformer from one side to the other.

Any suggestions appreciated. Well, almost any. I really don't want to toss
everything and start over LOL!

Cheers :)

Roy Inman
PS: AC, hi-rail wheels, scale couplers.

_



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43233 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 1/30/2007
Subject: Re: FLYONEL'S Pacific
I hear you and thanks for the education. It's just that my layout is Pa and
New Haven focused and as an operator I'm looking more for variety than
reality. I do have three ACG K-5s. The first of which I got in 1948 from my
Aunt as a Christmas present. However my wish for variety is limited. I wish
to note that I would not buy a Gosh Darn awful MTH Silver Bullet Steam Set,
even if it was available in S, to augment my ever growing collection of SHS
beer cars which service my brewery. There are limits.



Joe

Formerly living near the Jenkintown, Pa. station, now living near an
abandoned B&M line in Massachusetts (which the yuppies in my town are
converting to a bike path. Times are changing and in this case for the
worst.)



_____

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of WJJIM@...
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:53 PM
To: J.Haughney1@...; s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] FLYONEL'S Pacific



FLYONEL'S Pacific resembles NOTHING the PRR ever had. Thankfully they
DIDN'T go the HO & O route, throwing every RR name on every loco they build.
The
PRR's Pacifics were easily discerned from others of the same class
designation, from the earliest to the last, the K-5, which ACG chose to
model.

The "Belpaire" firebox is the give-away. Only Great Northern also had
Belpaires in abundance. The NYC had a few they inadvertantly bought with a
PRR
cast-off line.

Jim "livin' on the PENNSY Main" Lyle

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43234 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 1/30/2007
Subject: Re: Electrical problem -help!
Hi Roy,
Many years ago, I purchased some new track that had shorts between the
rail and metal ties. However the track was for another brand we
wouldn't mention here. The ties where clamped so hard that some of
them pressed through the insulation material. Really had me going for
a while. Feel for hot spots along the track. No rollong stock on the
track with the lights still dimming. Definatley a short there.
Happy Railroading, Keith Blanchard
http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
But now, whenever I put a single car, or all
> four cars , or just the engine, or all the cars and engine, on the
loop of
> track, the red short light glows on the transformer.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43235 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 1/30/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3321
Lionel American Flyer has not been done nor currently catalogs their new
Pacific in PRR. They have done the USRA Mikado in PRR and this is absolutely
correct -- the PRR had about 6 USRA Mikes of this type in the early 1920s (See the
Alvin Staufer "Pennsy Power" books). Jim, your post is a mystery.

Bob Bubeck



In a message dated 1/30/2007 7:50:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:
FLYONEL'S Pacific resembles NOTHING the PRR ever had.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43236 From: Jerry Poniatowski Date: 1/30/2007
Subject: Re: Electrical problem -help!
Hi Roy,

From a distance, it's hard to diagnose, but try this. Does the short
occur with NOTHING on the track? If so, then disconnect the wires
from the track and try again. If there is still a short, then it's in
the transformer. Who knows? Perhaps the old Lionel KW has an internal
short. If the short disappears, then it's the track or connections to
the track. If there is no short with nothing on the track, then it's
something with the cars and engine.

Did you recently swap out the wheels from hirail to scale? Maybe a
set on the same truck is reversed. If installed correctly, wheels and
couplers should make no difference.

From what you have described, I would look at the track and
connections. A simple loop should have no problems. Try each
individual section to see if the culprit lies there. It's a matter of
starting at the source (transformer) and going outward towards the
rolling stock and engine themselves.

Good luck!

Jerry Poniatowski
Wayne, MI


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
>
> Dear S gurus:
>
> Picture an AM AMTRAK set running smoothly on a loop of AM sectional
track.
> Powered by an old Lionel KW.

> Any suggestions appreciated. Well, almost any. I really don't want
to toss
> everything and start over LOL!
>

> PS: AC, hi-rail wheels, scale couplers.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43237 From: Rhett George Date: 1/30/2007
Subject: Electrical problem -help!
- GreetingS -

It sounds like gremlins at work under the track or in the transformer.

1. Does the red "short" lamp glow with nothing on the track?

2. Are any accessories connected to the transformer?

3. With a single car on the track, what voltage can be obtained at the
point when the "short" lamp begins to glow?

4. Have you carefully inspected the wire to track connections?

5. Have you put an ammeter in the circuit to see how much current is
present when the "short" lamp is flowing?

Curious minds think this situation is curious.

CheerS,

Rhett
Group: S-Trains Message: 43238 From: RCESpeak Date: 1/30/2007
Subject: Do you want a good laugh?
Hi Bill,

You are not alone in your experiences building a layout. Lord knows I
have had
my share. The interesting thing is that I seem to learn more from my
mistakes and
mishaps than my successes. I've gotten really perturbed with myself and
it has
taken way to long to see the humor in the error of my ways.

Thanks for the chuckles and reminding me to lighten up a little.
Fortunately
all my cuts, scrapes and bruises have healed.

Good luck and keep chugging.... Barb
Group: S-Trains Message: 43239 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 1/30/2007
Subject: Re: Electrical problem -help!
Sounds like you moved your layout. Did any track get damaged? transformer? are the supply wires touching? try another transformer. try another engine.


-----Original Message-----
From: rinphoto@...
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; S-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:01 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Electrical problem -help!


Dear S gurus:

Picture an AM AMTRAK set running smoothly on a loop of AM sectional track.
Powered by an old Lionel KW.

Now picture the same set, same track, same transformer, same AM track
connector wires and set up in another location on another day (on a marble
table top at Union Station). But now, whenever I put a single car, or all
four cars , or just the engine, or all the cars and engine, on the loop of
track, the red short light glows on the transformer. The engine will not
move, although there is a dim headlight.

I understand that such a problem is hard to judge from a distance.

But has anyone ever encountered a similar, and if so, would that someone
please pass along to me what might be wrong?

I have tried reversing the leads, and tried changing the leads on the
transformer from one side to the other.

Any suggestions appreciated. Well, almost any. I really don't want to toss
everything and start over LOL!

Cheers :)

Roy Inman
PS: AC, hi-rail wheels, scale couplers.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43240 From: Dave W Date: 1/30/2007
Subject: Re: Do you want a good laugh?
Y'know, for a while I thought that I was a Gurkha soldier.......drawing
the x-acto knife from its sheath means that it should draw blood before
it is returned.
I am much better now. These days I only draw blood with a new blade.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kukri
Best o' luck,
Dave W
Group: S-Trains Message: 43241 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 1/31/2007
Subject: Re;Do you want a good laugh
Ah, yes, the deadly X-acto knife...My fingers know it well! When you
do the kind of kitbashing and scratchbuilding I've done over the
years, X-acto knife wounds are commonplace.
However, to be a true butcher you must move up to wounds inflicted
by the various tips of a Dremel tool! The sanding, the grinding, the
cut off tools, on my!
Keep the band-aides and the phone number for 911 handy(it IS 911)and
work on...
Stumpy Stone...the Mad Butcher of Martins Ferry, Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 43242 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 1/31/2007
Subject: Re: $26.00 DOCKSIDE PREORDER?
Did I miss something or is the new PENN. Dockside really $26.00? At
_www.trainz.com_ (http://www.trainz.com/) . Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43243 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 1/31/2007
Subject: Talking station reproducer
Spent all day yesterday replacing a broken diaphragm in a
reproducer, tried various materials and methods . Any one else had
similar experience rebuilding the reproducer, let's compare notes.
Jerry HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 43244 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 1/31/2007
Subject: Do you want a good laugh?
Yes, over the years I have let the smoke out of a couple of
transformers, hooked the arm of the mail pickup car on a tunnel porthole,
the same tunnel porthole that is too short to clear the stack on the
FRANKLIN, "snap", had my #342 off the table, upside down on the floor,
dropped a light fixture on my 772 oil tower total loss. It's called
playing with your toys. Also I have totaled out two cars over the years.
Enjoy your trains. don't leave then in a box. Take them out for
exercise.
Jerry HR77-11644


> Over the past few years, I've read with interest, awe and envy all
> the postings from this group. All the questions I've asked have
> been answered promptly, with definitive clarity and at times with
> such a degree of obvious techonogical knowhow that leaves me
> clueless. Does anyone ever make mistakes or do stupid things
> besides myself?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43245 From: Trains Date: 1/31/2007
Subject: warning of potential fraud scheme related to ebay purchases of AF/L
WARNING! I have been ripped off by an ebay "power seller" going by ebay name: traditionalhobbies, the persons name is: Doug Swanson.

Doug Swanson
509 Wood Road
Oak Brook, IL 60523-2722
email: tradhoby@...
phone: (630)455-4076 after 6PM CST

IF YOU HAVE ORDERED ITEMS FROM THE ABOVE EBAY POWER SELLER AND NOT RECIEVED THEM OR NOT RECIEVED A REFUND, OR IF YOU HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR MONTHS TO GET WHAT YOU PAID FOR, CONTACT ME, LOCAL POLICE, POSTAL INSPECTORS AND FEDERAL AUTHORITIES, AND Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3).

I would welcome any assistance from any S gauger/Lionel/train person who has had similar experience. Also would greatly appreciate help in
Oak Brook,IL area.

Below is a brief minimal listing of what has happened, to help you protect yourself. If you hear/read any of these excuses look out!

Ebay has been of no assistance at all...refusing to stop this dealer.

His MO is to sell AF and Lionel etc. items on ebay. You send him money and he sends you nothing, the game is that he does not do this to every single buyer. He will tell you all kinds of stories about why you have not recieved the items you paid for, including $3 postage for each item. In my case I bought five different items. This was 6 months ago.

I have called this guy over a dozen times long distance and sent many emails thru ebay and directly.
He does not respond to any emails.

On the phone he has stated to me that items were sent (do you believe this?) by dates he quoted to ebay, before he cashed the money order!
He also stated, in subsequent telephone pleas by me for him to send items or refund money (which he has refused to do),
4th week:" ...oh I have that stuff in a box on the shelf and I didn't know where to send it..."
7th week: "...I will send it out On Tuesday, Tuesday is when I ship..."
12th week: "...I will send you a refund, but wait for a few more weeks ..."
3rd month: ...I have these items right here, they will be sent out this week..."
4th month: "...I had a problem with my Avery lable printer, the lables fell off in the mail on over 40 packages..." (so there are at least 40 victims), I feel there are many more.

Check out his ebay blurb on sale conditions...I should have seen a warning sign here!....on any of his items he continues to list on ebay, including items that he has not sent me.

General info:
I have filled with Postal Inspectors and Internet Crime Complaint Center. Other authorities are next.
I did check this idividual out on ebay and his feedback before purchasing anything from him...he is skilled at putting you at ease untill it's to late to file a negative feedback.
I did send numerous emails to this dealer trying to resolve this issue and get my items I paid for by money order or a complete refund..he never answered a single one directly to me.
Ebay seems to be helpfull, but for items of under $25...tuff luck! over $25 you pay ebay a $25 dollar fee for persuing the dealer.
The total for my five items including $3 postage for each was US$79.59.

Buyer beware.... thanks for any help in advance, Dr K. Loeb rr4u@...


To file your own complaint or contact law enforcement:

- File a complaint with the Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3)
The IC3 is partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation and
the National White Collar Crime Center. The IC3 will review and evaluate
complaints and refer information to the appropriate local, state, or
federal agency. Every complaint that is referred by the IC3 is sent to
one or more law enforcement or regulatory agencies that have
jurisdiction over that matter. To file a complaint with the IC3, go to:

http://www.ic3.gov

- File a mail fraud complaint.
If the item or payment was sent through the United States Postal
Service, you can file a mail fraud complaint at:

https://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/fraud/MailFraudComplaint.htm

- Contact local law enforcement.
Contact law enforcement in your area as well as the area where the
seller resides. To find the name of a law enforcement officer who can
help you, go to:

http://www.usacops.com

If a detective is assigned to your case, please ask the detective to
contact us (ebay). We will cooperate with all law enforcement investigations.
Please ask the officer to contact us by using the "report information to
eBay" link on the following page:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/isgw-fraud-ebays-role.html



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43246 From: George Cohn Date: 1/31/2007
Subject: Re: warning of potential fraud scheme related to ebay purchases of
Trains wrote:
>
>
> WARNING! I have been ripped off by an ebay "power seller" going by ebay
> name: traditionalhobbies, the persons name is: Doug Swanson.
>
> Doug Swanson
> 509 Wood Road
> Oak Brook, IL 60523-2722
> email: tradhoby@... <mailto:tradhoby%40comcast.net>
> phone: (630)455-4076 after 6PM CST
>
> IF YOU HAVE ORDERED ITEMS FROM THE ABOVE EBAY POWER SELLER AND NOT
> RECIEVED THEM OR NOT RECIEVED A REFUND, OR IF YOU HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR
> MONTHS TO GET WHAT YOU PAID FOR, CONTACT ME, LOCAL POLICE, POSTAL
> INSPECTORS AND FEDERAL AUTHORITIES, AND Internet Crime Complaint Center
> (IC3).
>

Oops! Just had a problem with him. Won a cattle operating station
switch and he sent me a boxcar shell instead. To date, no responses to
my e-mails asking him to correct the mistake.

I'll start by making a formal complaint to eBay after sending him a
message to the address you gave.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 43247 From: The LANIERs Date: 1/31/2007
Subject: Re: warning of potential fraud scheme related to ebay purchases of
This seller is also a TCA member; those members having problems with him can also turn to TCA for help.

paflyrman
----- Original Message -----
From: George Cohn
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] warning of potential fraud scheme related to ebay purchases of AF/Lionel etc. items


Trains wrote:
>
>
> WARNING! I have been ripped off by an ebay "power seller" going by ebay
> name: traditionalhobbies, the persons name is: Doug Swanson.
>
> Doug Swanson
> 509 Wood Road
> Oak Brook, IL 60523-2722
> email: tradhoby@... <mailto:tradhoby%40comcast.net>
> phone: (630)455-4076 after 6PM CST
>
> IF YOU HAVE ORDERED ITEMS FROM THE ABOVE EBAY POWER SELLER AND NOT
> RECIEVED THEM OR NOT RECIEVED A REFUND, OR IF YOU HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR
> MONTHS TO GET WHAT YOU PAID FOR, CONTACT ME, LOCAL POLICE, POSTAL
> INSPECTORS AND FEDERAL AUTHORITIES, AND Internet Crime Complaint Center
> (IC3).
>

Oops! Just had a problem with him. Won a cattle operating station
switch and he sent me a boxcar shell instead. To date, no responses to
my e-mails asking him to correct the mistake.

I'll start by making a formal complaint to eBay after sending him a
message to the address you gave.

George Cohn




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43248 From: Phil K Date: 1/31/2007
Subject: Re: warning of potential fraud scheme related to ebay purchases of
Here's someone who aggressively handles these alleged fraud cases in
Illinois, our Attorney General, Lisa Madigan. She's a toughie.


http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/consumers/index.html

You can download a complaint form from this page.

Phil K

*******************************************************************

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Trains" <rr4u@...> wrote:
>
> WARNING! I have been ripped off by an ebay "power seller" going by
ebay name: traditionalhobbies, the persons name is: Doug Swanson.
>
> Doug Swanson
> 509 Wood Road
> Oak Brook, IL 60523-2722
> email: tradhoby@...
> phone: (630)455-4076 after 6PM CST
>
> IF YOU HAVE ORDERED ITEMS FROM THE ABOVE EBAY POWER SELLER AND NOT
RECIEVED THEM OR NOT RECIEVED A REFUND, OR IF YOU HAVE BEEN WAITING
FOR MONTHS TO GET WHAT YOU PAID FOR, CONTACT ME, LOCAL POLICE, POSTAL
INSPECTORS AND FEDERAL AUTHORITIES, AND Internet Crime Complaint
Center (IC3).
>
> I would welcome any assistance from any S gauger/Lionel/train
person who has had similar experience. Also would greatly appreciate
help in
> Oak Brook,IL area.
>
> Below is a brief minimal listing of what has happened, to help you
protect yourself. If you hear/read any of these excuses look out!
>
> Ebay has been of no assistance at all...refusing to stop this
dealer.
>
> His MO is to sell AF and Lionel etc. items on ebay. You send him
money and he sends you nothing, the game is that he does not do this
to every single buyer. He will tell you all kinds of stories about
why you have not recieved the items you paid for, including $3
postage for each item. In my case I bought five different items. This
was 6 months ago.
>
> I have called this guy over a dozen times long distance and sent
many emails thru ebay and directly.
> He does not respond to any emails.
>
> On the phone he has stated to me that items were sent (do you
believe this?) by dates he quoted to ebay, before he cashed the money
order!
> He also stated, in subsequent telephone pleas by me for him to send
items or refund money (which he has refused to do),
> 4th week:" ...oh I have that stuff in a box on the shelf and I
didn't know where to send it..."
> 7th week: "...I will send it out On Tuesday, Tuesday is when I
ship..."
> 12th week: "...I will send you a refund, but wait for a few more
weeks ..."
> 3rd month: ...I have these items right here, they will be sent out
this week..."
> 4th month: "...I had a problem with my Avery lable printer, the
lables fell off in the mail on over 40 packages..." (so there are at
least 40 victims), I feel there are many more.
>
> Check out his ebay blurb on sale conditions...I should have seen a
warning sign here!....on any of his items he continues to list on
ebay, including items that he has not sent me.
>
> General info:
> I have filled with Postal Inspectors and Internet Crime Complaint
Center. Other authorities are next.
> I did check this idividual out on ebay and his feedback before
purchasing anything from him...he is skilled at putting you at ease
untill it's to late to file a negative feedback.
> I did send numerous emails to this dealer trying to resolve this
issue and get my items I paid for by money order or a complete
refund..he never answered a single one directly to me.
> Ebay seems to be helpfull, but for items of under $25...tuff luck!
over $25 you pay ebay a $25 dollar fee for persuing the dealer.
> The total for my five items including $3 postage for each was
US$79.59.
>
> Buyer beware.... thanks for any help in advance, Dr K. Loeb rr4u@...
>
>
> To file your own complaint or contact law enforcement:
>
> - File a complaint with the Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3)
> The IC3 is partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation
and
> the National White Collar Crime Center. The IC3 will review and
evaluate
> complaints and refer information to the appropriate local, state,
or
> federal agency. Every complaint that is referred by the IC3 is sent
to
> one or more law enforcement or regulatory agencies that have
> jurisdiction over that matter. To file a complaint with the IC3, go
to:
>
> http://www.ic3.gov
>
> - File a mail fraud complaint.
> If the item or payment was sent through the United States Postal
> Service, you can file a mail fraud complaint at:
>
> https://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/fraud/MailFraudComplaint.htm
>
> - Contact local law enforcement.
> Contact law enforcement in your area as well as the area where the
> seller resides. To find the name of a law enforcement officer who
can
> help you, go to:
>
> http://www.usacops.com
>
> If a detective is assigned to your case, please ask the detective
to
> contact us (ebay). We will cooperate with all law enforcement
investigations.
> Please ask the officer to contact us by using the "report
information to
> eBay" link on the following page:
>
> http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/isgw-fraud-ebays-role.html
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43249 From: Phil K Date: 1/31/2007
Subject: $26.00 DOCKSIDE PREORDER? .... NOPE
I looked there and it says $93.99 preorder, Mike.

Phil K

*********************************************************************

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
>
> Did I miss something or is the new PENN. Dockside really $26.00? At
> _www.trainz.com_ (http://www.trainz.com/) . Mike
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43250 From: Phil K Date: 1/31/2007
Subject: S gauge starter set for younger kids -- it's about time .......
I notice that several vendors already are offering the new four-piece
New York Central starter set (docksider, boxcar, hopper with coal load,
caboose) for under $225 -- and the set includes a large oval of track
and a transformer. The first American Flyer COMPLETE set since the mid-
1960s.

Kudos to Lionel for giving us a starter set that is both affordable and
as child-proof as the original AC Gilbert American Flyer. Only good can
come of this.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 43251 From: Chris Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Do you want a good laugh?
Bill Adams wrote:
I've had one mishap after another! My Royal Blue came sailing off the
elevated track layout and crushed my scratch-built Baptist
church......blew it right to smitherines! Then I ran my 302AC Atlantic
through a retaining wall portal at warp nine. After rebuilding it, I
tried my 322 Hudson towing a small freight. I lost the portal, a whole
bunch more of retaining wall and most of the support structure that held
an AC beacon on the side of the mountain. The support structure
collapsed, the beacon tipped over on three tracks - making a lot of
sparks, the retaining wall came apart and the portal just about blew up.
Then, a couple weeks ago I fired up all my lighted accessories and two
trains....one of my original 75 watt transformers started making a real
funny noise and the other one started to "smell funny" and got real real
warm.

Hi Bill:

So . . . how is cousin Gomez?

Chris Zizzo



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43252 From: Chris Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Re: Electrical problem -help!
Roy:
The answers you already have are found in your text.
>>whenever I put a single car, or all four cars , or just the
engine, or all the cars and engine, on the loop of track, the red
short light glows on the transformer. The engine will not move,
although there is a dim headlight. I have tried reversing the leads,
and tried changing the leads on the transformer from one side to the
other.<<

If any and all cars and engine, in any combination, cause the short
light to come on, the problem is not in the cars. It is a virtual
certainty that the same damage did not occur to all cars and engine
simultaneously.

It is also not the wires, since you have moved them around and
exchanged them for others.

It is not the track, because, if it were, the presence of rolling
stock would be unnecessary to show the short.

Therefore, assuming you gave us all the information (others have
addressed accessories and other items not mentioned by you, and
which certainly could be factors if they are in the mix), the
problem is inside the transformer. In moving the transformer, you
may have damaged it. It is possible that something came loose
inside it.

The short circuit light glows when a circuit is completed that has
too little resistance. A screwdriver across the rails offers far
less resistance than a can motor winding. Too much current returns
to the transformer, indicating a short circuit. If your engine were
on the track at the time, it's headlight would dim or go out,
because the screwdriver would be using most or all the available
current in parallel with the engine. The lowest resistance gets the
most current in a parallel circuit.

The language you used to describe the short circuit light was that
it "glowed". You also indicated that the engine headlight was dim.
In a full short circuit, the breaker should have popped open, all
power to the track should have been cut. (Headlight OFF) and the
short indicator light should have come on fully bright.

It seems as if you are wiring to the wrong terminals on the
transformer. On the KW, you must use the U terminal and either the
A or B terminal. Connecting between A and B could give your result,
depending on throttle position. (With a dual control transformer, it
is possible to bridge the two windings. With both handles moving,
you might get enough power to the track to move the train, but with
one off, you would shunt voltage through one winding only and
possibly bleed some voltage through the second.)

We Flyer guys know "Base Post" and "Variable". All those letters on
the Lionel transformers might as well be Alpha, Omega and Epsilon!
Is it at all possible that in your haste to get set up in public,
you used the wrong terminals, and with the stress of it not working,
could not see the error? I have achieved a similar result on a
Flyer transformer by wiring track to the fixed terminal and the
variable, skipping the base post. Trains ran, but the lever
operated in reverse and the breaker popped at one end of the handle
travel. And I did that at home, under no pressure!

If not, then the problem is internal within the transformer and I am
not qualified to analyze that from this far away, but a replacement
unit should solve the problem.

That's the best that I've got.
Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 43253 From: Chris Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Talking station reproducer
I knew I saw one the other day on e-Bay, so I just spent 20 minutes
searching and voila! I found it. Item #260081811591 is a mixed lot of
Flyer stuff including a couple of switches, two different action
tracks, a pushbutton, and what appears to me to be a talking station
reproducer. There is a note that it may not be an original Flyer
part. To me, it looks like something off an old "Victrola".
Nonetheless, take a look. Just copy 260081811591 and paste it into
the e-Bay search box.

Also, there is an original A-Koos-ti-kin record in (claimed) new
condition at 110083726691 . Oops, sorry, that one ended. It was a
Ric Dunn auction and it went for $45.

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 43254 From: Roy Inman Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Re: Electrical problem - Many thanks :)
Chris, I believe that is exactly what happened: the transformer was somehow
damaged in transit. It worked before we left the house, where it was hooked
up to an operating loop of Lionel O track (whoops, sorry about that... :).
All worked OK until....

We did in fact have to transport the transformer from my house to the Union
Station.

We later recreated the set up on the marble slab with another transformer,
and everything worked fine. We then hooked up the transformer of the
previous try and same thing: short when car(s) or engine are place on track.

So my old Lionel KW is going to the shop today for repair. BTW, the
transformer that worked was a Gilbert 30B.

It was a pretty simple arrangement: no accessories, not even a layout. We
were just trying to get fee for how the train and track would look in the
environment. At some point our local S club will build a layout that
replicates the Amtrak passenger loading platform and surrounding tracks at
Union Station Kansas City. Difficult to describe in words, but as we get
into the project I will post some photos to the photos section of S trains
for anyone interested.

And many thanks to all who offered suggestions. I have collected them into
an archive for future reference. Excellent ideas all 'round.

Cheers :)

Roy Inman

From: Chris <busyboy@...>
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 15:14:33 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] re: Electrical problem -help!

Therefore, assuming you gave us all the information (others have
addressed accessories and other items not mentioned by you, and
which certainly could be factors if they are in the mix), the
problem is inside the transformer. In moving the transformer, you
may have damaged it. It is possible that something came loose
inside it.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43255 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Re: S gauge starter set for younger kids -- it's about time .......
In a message dated 2/1/2007 12:41:42 AM Central Standard Time,
waldootten@... writes:
I notice that several vendors already are offering the new four-piece
New York Central starter set (docksider, boxcar, hopper with coal load,
caboose) for under $225 -- and the set includes a large oval of track
and a transformer. The first American Flyer COMPLETE set since the mid-
1960s.

Kudos to Lionel for giving us a starter set that is both affordable and
as child-proof as the original AC Gilbert American Flyer. Only good can
come of this.
..............................................................................
.............................................................................
.

OK, lets say a father and grandfather go to the train store and decide they
want to start their youngster off with a starter set. And they can hardly wait
to see the youngster play with it, partly because they look forward to
playing with it themselves. And they decide they will buy turnouts and enough extra
track for a siding. WHAT DOES THE TRAIN STORE OWNER SAY ABOUT THE TURNOUTS
(SWITCHES) ?

Maybe "I am sure Lionel will have their switches ready in a few months!"

Or, "you can find them on the internet!"

Or, "Lionel is not a full service supplier so you will have to buy switches
from another company!"

I like this last answer because it means the train store owner needs to start
carrying turnouts that will easily mate with the Lionel K-line track? Does
that mean he introduces the customer to SHS ?

Lionel ownly deserves about 25% of a Kudo, whatever that is.!

- Earl Henry, Nashville
Modeling the colorful railroads of the South


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43256 From: Phil K Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Re: S gauge starter set for younger kids -- it's about time .......
You make good points, Earl.

But ya gotta start somewhere, right? Having half a loaf is better
than having none at all. For years, many of us have been asking for a
kid-proof starter set -- and now that we finally have one, do we need
to so quickly find fault?

No mass-produced Flyer sets included turnouts. These do not, either.
So here's some options in the interim:

1. Let the dealer offer refurbished Flyer turnouts. There will be a
demand, and some enterprising hobbyist could make a good buck
restoring Flyer 720s he buys at swap meets and on eBay. And 90-degree
crossings, too.

2. Let the dealer stock extra K-Line S track and SHS turnouts to
suppliment the included track oval.

3. Or switch the kid over to SHS track and turnouts if he/she
continues to show interest and desires more layout activity. What's
the K-Line track in set set worth? Maybe $20? It would be easy to
sell.

Phil K

*********************************************************************

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 2/1/2007 12:41:42 AM Central Standard Time,
> waldootten@... writes:
> I notice that several vendors already are offering the new four-
piece
> New York Central starter set (docksider, boxcar, hopper with coal
load,
> caboose) for under $225 -- and the set includes a large oval of
track
> and a transformer. The first American Flyer COMPLETE set since the
mid-
> 1960s.
>
> Kudos to Lionel for giving us a starter set that is both affordable
and
> as child-proof as the original AC Gilbert American Flyer. Only good
can
> come of this.
> ....................................................................
..........
> ....................................................................
.........
> .
>
> OK, lets say a father and grandfather go to the train store and
decide they
> want to start their youngster off with a starter set. And they can
hardly wait
> to see the youngster play with it, partly because they look forward
to
> playing with it themselves. And they decide they will buy turnouts
and enough extra
> track for a siding. WHAT DOES THE TRAIN STORE OWNER SAY ABOUT THE
TURNOUTS
> (SWITCHES) ?
>
> Maybe "I am sure Lionel will have their switches ready in a few
months!"
>
> Or, "you can find them on the internet!"
>
> Or, "Lionel is not a full service supplier so you will have to buy
switches
> from another company!"
>
> I like this last answer because it means the train store owner
needs to start
> carrying turnouts that will easily mate with the Lionel K-line
track? Does
> that mean he introduces the customer to SHS ?
>
> Lionel ownly deserves about 25% of a Kudo, whatever that is.!
>
> - Earl Henry, Nashville
> Modeling the colorful railroads of the South
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43257 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Re: S gauge starter set for younger kids -- it's about time .....
In a message dated 2/1/2007 12:34:15 PM Central Standard Time,
waldootten@... writes:
3. Or switch the kid over to SHS track and turnouts if he/she
continues to show interest and desires more layout activity. What's
the K-Line track in set set worth? Maybe $20? It would be easy to
sell.
PHIL, I LIKE THIS LAST OPTION. START EM WITH A CHEVY (LIONEL) AND INTRODUCE
THEM TO A CADILLAC OR MERCEDES (SHS). -
-
Earl Henry, Nashville


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43258 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Re: Electrical problem -help!
I only own one small Lionel xformer so pardon my ignorance, but does a KW have a circuit breaker reset?.
I have Flyer xformers that need a reset button pressed after the breaker sets, light glows until reset.
Chuck Smith, http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:14 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] re: Electrical problem -help!


Roy:
The answers you already have are found in your text.
>>whenever I put a single car, or all four cars , or just the
engine, or all the cars and engine, on the loop of track, the red
short light glows on the transformer. The engine will not move,
although there is a dim headlight. I have tried reversing the leads,
and tried changing the leads on the transformer from one side to the
other.<<

If any and all cars and engine, in any combination, cause the short
light to come on, the problem is not in the cars. It is a virtual
certainty that the same damage did not occur to all cars and engine
simultaneously.

It is also not the wires, since you have moved them around and
exchanged them for others.

It is not the track, because, if it were, the presence of rolling
stock would be unnecessary to show the short.

Therefore, assuming you gave us all the information (others have
addressed accessories and other items not mentioned by you, and
which certainly could be factors if they are in the mix), the
problem is inside the transformer. In moving the transformer, you
may have damaged it. It is possible that something came loose
inside it.

The short circuit light glows when a circuit is completed that has
too little resistance. A screwdriver across the rails offers far
less resistance than a can motor winding. Too much current returns
to the transformer, indicating a short circuit. If your engine were
on the track at the time, it's headlight would dim or go out,
because the screwdriver would be using most or all the available
current in parallel with the engine. The lowest resistance gets the
most current in a parallel circuit.

The language you used to describe the short circuit light was that
it "glowed". You also indicated that the engine headlight was dim.
In a full short circuit, the breaker should have popped open, all
power to the track should have been cut. (Headlight OFF) and the
short indicator light should have come on fully bright.

It seems as if you are wiring to the wrong terminals on the
transformer. On the KW, you must use the U terminal and either the
A or B terminal. Connecting between A and B could give your result,
depending on throttle position. (With a dual control transformer, it
is possible to bridge the two windings. With both handles moving,
you might get enough power to the track to move the train, but with
one off, you would shunt voltage through one winding only and
possibly bleed some voltage through the second.)

We Flyer guys know "Base Post" and "Variable". All those letters on
the Lionel transformers might as well be Alpha, Omega and Epsilon!
Is it at all possible that in your haste to get set up in public,
you used the wrong terminals, and with the stress of it not working,
could not see the error? I have achieved a similar result on a
Flyer transformer by wiring track to the fixed terminal and the
variable, skipping the base post. Trains ran, but the lever
operated in reverse and the breaker popped at one end of the handle
travel. And I did that at home, under no pressure!

If not, then the problem is internal within the transformer and I am
not qualified to analyze that from this far away, but a replacement
unit should solve the problem.

That's the best that I've got.
Chris Zizzo





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43259 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Re: It's about time .......
----- Original Message -----
From: tennsgauge@...
. . . . . . .they decide they will buy turnouts and enough extra track for a
siding. WHAT DOES THE TRAIN STORE OWNER SAY ABOUT THE TURNOUTS (SWITCHES) ?.
. . . . . . .
> > > > > > >
Life isn't perfect, but PEOPLE can help make it better. This is where WE
come in. Each of us should be personally known to the local hobby dealer,
so that he can respond to the above question with "You need to contact [
your name here ]; he's an AF expert and he can answer that question and lots
more questions that you haven't thought of yet."

Then whether you steer the new AF owner to Gargraves, used AF, new SHS or
AM, or whatever is up to you. Actually you'll probably want to lay all the
options out before this person and let him decide. The options are far
greater than any all-gauge hobby dealer can be expected to know about.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
Group: S-Trains Message: 43260 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Re Talking Station reproducer
Chris I suspect it is probably a Flyer reproducer as it has the
mounting swivel pins but has the front of an ordinary phonograph
reproducer screwed on. If you are not a purist it will probably sound
better anyway. BTW Gilbert got away with technological murder. Those
acoustical phonographs are supposed to have the steel needle changed
After Every Record! No wonder the talking station records are usually
worn out! I should note that new steel needles are available from
vintage phonograph parts suppliers for a few dollars a hundred as I
seem to remember someone posting some time ago that they had
ben "lucky" enough to find "a" needle at a model train meet! Alistair
Group: S-Trains Message: 43261 From: Roy Inman Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Re: Electrical problem -help!
Hmmm....Good question Chuck.

There is nothing on the outside to reset that I see, but maybe it tripped
internally.

I will mention that possibility to my repair guy.

Thanks :)
Roy Inman

From: "Charles E. Smith" <cesmith@...>
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 14:10:54 -0500
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] re: Electrical problem -help!


I only own one small Lionel xformer so pardon my ignorance, but does a KW
have a circuit breaker reset?.
I have Flyer xformers that need a reset button pressed after the breaker
sets, light glows until reset.
Chuck Smith, http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:14 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] re: Electrical problem -help!

Roy:
The answers you already have are found in your text.
>>whenever I put a single car, or all four cars , or just the
engine, or all the cars and engine, on the loop of track, the red
short light glows on the transformer. The engine will not move,
although there is a dim headlight. I have tried reversing the leads,
and tried changing the leads on the transformer from one side to the
other.<<

If any and all cars and engine, in any combination, cause the short
light to come on, the problem is not in the cars. It is a virtual
certainty that the same damage did not occur to all cars and engine
simultaneously.

It is also not the wires, since you have moved them around and
exchanged them for others.

It is not the track, because, if it were, the presence of rolling
stock would be unnecessary to show the short.

Therefore, assuming you gave us all the information (others have
addressed accessories and other items not mentioned by you, and
which certainly could be factors if they are in the mix), the
problem is inside the transformer. In moving the transformer, you
may have damaged it. It is possible that something came loose
inside it.

The short circuit light glows when a circuit is completed that has
too little resistance. A screwdriver across the rails offers far
less resistance than a can motor winding. Too much current returns
to the transformer, indicating a short circuit. If your engine were
on the track at the time, it's headlight would dim or go out,
because the screwdriver would be using most or all the available
current in parallel with the engine. The lowest resistance gets the
most current in a parallel circuit.

The language you used to describe the short circuit light was that
it "glowed". You also indicated that the engine headlight was dim.
In a full short circuit, the breaker should have popped open, all
power to the track should have been cut. (Headlight OFF) and the
short indicator light should have come on fully bright.

It seems as if you are wiring to the wrong terminals on the
transformer. On the KW, you must use the U terminal and either the
A or B terminal. Connecting between A and B could give your result,
depending on throttle position. (With a dual control transformer, it
is possible to bridge the two windings. With both handles moving,
you might get enough power to the track to move the train, but with
one off, you would shunt voltage through one winding only and
possibly bleed some voltage through the second.)

We Flyer guys know "Base Post" and "Variable". All those letters on
the Lionel transformers might as well be Alpha, Omega and Epsilon!
Is it at all possible that in your haste to get set up in public,
you used the wrong terminals, and with the stress of it not working,
could not see the error? I have achieved a similar result on a
Flyer transformer by wiring track to the fixed terminal and the
variable, skipping the base post. Trains ran, but the lever
operated in reverse and the breaker popped at one end of the handle
travel. And I did that at home, under no pressure!

If not, then the problem is internal within the transformer and I am
not qualified to analyze that from this far away, but a replacement
unit should solve the problem.

That's the best that I've got.
Chris Zizzo

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: S-Trains Message: 43262 From: George Cohn Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Re: Re Talking Station reproducer
Alistair McAllister wrote:
>
>
> Chris I suspect it is probably a Flyer reproducer as it has the
> mounting swivel pins but has the front of an ordinary phonograph
> reproducer screwed on. If you are not a purist it will probably sound
> better anyway. BTW Gilbert got away with technological murder. Those
> acoustical phonographs are supposed to have the steel needle changed
> After Every Record! No wonder the talking station records are usually
> worn out!

I may have mentioned this before but one of these days, I'm going to buy
one of these:

<http://www.ramseyelectronics.com/cgi-bin/commerce.exe?preadd=action&key=BS2C>

and record the messages from the talking station records on it so I
don't wear out the records or needles.

I believe the Flyonel version of the talking station used digital
technology such as this for the recordings.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 43263 From: Chris Date: 2/1/2007
Subject: Talking Station Reproducer
Item number: 5970241775 on e-Bay is a new or like new, and I believe,
original, reproducer. It's a Gilbert Guru auction.

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 43264 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/2/2007
Subject: Re: AMERICAN TRACK SYSTEMS UPDATE (NOT AMERICAN MODLES)
This is a reply I got from Nick on his track system (Solid Nickel Code 172
rail)

Mike, Hi

The American "S" Gauge S-54 Remote Control Switches are now in stock.

Best Regards,
Nick Mescher
Classic Trains
American "S" Gauge
(626) 912-0774
_www.classictrains.com_ (http://www.classictrains.com/)


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43265 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 2/2/2007
Subject: Re: Talking Station Reproducer
Chris,

I'm not sure what you meant when you said this is an "original"
reproducer. It is clearly stated to be a repro part.

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <busyboy@...> wrote:
>
> Item number: 5970241775 on e-Bay is a new or like new, and I
believe,
> original, reproducer. It's a Gilbert Guru auction.
>
> Chris Zizzo
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43266 From: Chris Date: 2/2/2007
Subject: Talking Station Reproducer
You are correct sir! It is indeed a repro. Here is the language from
the auction:

One repro Reproducer - Gilbert's part# XA9163 , comes with Needle
Gilbert's part# PA10748 . Brand New - never used!

Like "and and" in a sentence, where one "and" ends the line and the
other "and" begins the next line, repro reproducer went right by me.
What I saw were Gilbert part numbers and I ass u me d.

Chris

P.S.: To the fellow from this list who wrote me at home asking if I
am an E-Bay crook, I will assume you did not intend your remarks to be
derogatory. Yes, I do read the posts about the crooks on e-Bay, and
yes, there is no doubt they are out there. All marketplaces are
essentially places for the exchange of money for goods and services.
Crooks are drawn to the smell of money. The market can be treacherous.

To trade in a market smart way, you need to be alert. When something
seems to good to be true, it probably is. When no one is bidding on
an item that is identical to another item that has many bids, examine
both auctions carefully. Sometimes info is there, in the pictures, in
the description, that others have seen. You need to see it too. If
an auction is slovenly, and the pictures are awful, avoid it. The
seller may be trying to hide something, or, when he ships, he may pack
as badly as he does everything else and your purchase may be damaged.
Speaking of shipping, all the sellers on e-Bay who overcharge for
shipping are making their money for packing materials while they claim
that costs have escalated. Nonsense. I still ship small packages,
like a freight car, for $4 to $5 around the states. I never charge
for packing because the Post Office gives me the boxes for free.
Invariably, when some clown carries on about the high cost of shipping
and slams me for $15 to $20, I get the package 2 weeks later, sent for
$4 parcel post, in a recycled supermarket produce box stuffed with
newspaper. That's how the price of an item you bought for $40 becomes
$56. At a train show, you would never pay $55 for it. This brings me
to the ultimate rule for buying on e-Bay. Don't be your own worst
enemy. Letting auction fever wrap you into a last minute bidding
binge will add money to the purchase. Failing to clearly establish
the shipping and handling costs will add money to the purchase.
Wanting so much to believe that you have finally found that long
sought item will cloud your vision to see that it really is not in
such good condition after all and the other people bidding it up are
really foolish, so you will overbid to start with, which adds money to
the purchase, for an item which was over rated, which subtracts value
from the purchase.

In the end, if you allow yourself to operate on your impulses instead
of your brain, you will end up paying $300 for a VG item whose most
recent mint sale was $298. And then, you'll write a post about all
the crooks on e-Bay. It's a marketplace, and all marketplaces work on
the principle of Caveat Emptor. Translated from the Latin, it means
literally, "Beware Buyer". It is usually said as,"Let the buyer
beware". In other words, consumers need to know their rights and be
vigilant in avoiding scams.

CZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 43267 From: clayk@lonestartrains.com Date: 2/2/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel catalog corrections
Hi everyone,

Got this message from Lionel; did not know if it had yet been shared here. These are some corrections to the just released 2007 catalog that pertain to uS:

Page 168: 6-48063 UP Dockside Switcher not in catalog. Image will be available shortly on-line at www.lionel.com Black loco with UP shield located below cab window, #89 front of boiler.

Pages 174: Blue Comet Passenger Cars. 4 Pack will have 2 coaches, baggage and observation. 2 Pack will have coach and combo car.

Page 212: 6-49829 S-Gauge Extra Long Straight track length is 36?

BeSt, Clay


-----Original Message-----
From: Charles E. Smith [mailto:cesmith@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2007 02:10 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] re: Electrical problem -help!

I only own one small Lionel xformer so pardon my ignorance, but does a KW have a circuit breaker reset?.
I have Flyer xformers that need a reset button pressed after the breaker sets, light glows until reset.
Chuck Smith, http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:14 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] re: Electrical problem -help!

Roy:
The answers you already have are found in your text.
>>whenever I put a single car, or all four cars , or just the
engine, or all the cars and engine, on the loop of track, the red
short light glows on the transformer. The engine will not move,
although there is a dim headlight. I have tried reversing the leads,
and tried changing the leads on the transformer from one side to the
other.<<

If any and all cars and engine, in any combination, cause the short
light to come on, the problem is not in the cars. It is a virtual
certainty that the same damage did not occur to all cars and engine
simultaneously.

It is also not the wires, since you have moved them around and
exchanged them for others.

It is not the track, because, if it were, the presence of rolling
stock would be unnecessary to show the short.

Therefore, assuming you gave us all the information (others have
addressed accessories and other items not mentioned by you, and
which certainly could be factors if they are in the mix), the
problem is inside the transformer. In moving the transformer, you
may have damaged it. It is possible that something came loose
inside it.

The short circuit light glows when a circuit is completed that has
too little resistance. A screwdriver across the rails offers far
less resistance than a can motor winding. Too much current returns
to the transformer, indicating a short circuit. If your engine were
on the track at the time, it's headlight would dim or go out,
because the screwdriver would be using most or all the available
current in parallel with the engine. The lowest resistance gets the
most current in a parallel circuit.

The language you used to describe the short circuit light was that
it "glowed". You also indicated that the engine headlight was dim.
In a full short circuit, the breaker should have popped open, all
power to the track should have been cut. (Headlight OFF) and the
short indicator light should have come on fully bright.

It seems as if you are wiring to the wrong terminals on the
transformer. On the KW, you must use the U terminal and either the
A or B terminal. Connecting between A and B could give your result,
depending on throttle position. (With a dual control transformer, it
is possible to bridge the two windings. With both handles moving,
you might get enough power to the track to move the train, but with
one off, you would shunt voltage through one winding only and
possibly bleed some voltage through the second.)

We Flyer guys know "Base Post" and "Variable". All those letters on
the Lionel transformers might as well be Alpha, Omega and Epsilon!
Is it at all possible that in your haste to get set up in public,
you used the wrong terminals, and with the stress of it not working,
could not see the error? I have achieved a similar result on a
Flyer transformer by wiring track to the fixed terminal and the
variable, skipping the base post. Trains ran, but the lever
operated in reverse and the breaker popped at one end of the handle
travel. And I did that at home, under no pressure!

If not, then the problem is internal within the transformer and I am
not qualified to analyze that from this far away, but a replacement
unit should solve the problem.

That's the best that I've got.
Chris Zizzo

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43268 From: Mark Preman Date: 2/2/2007
Subject: American Flyer Trains For sale - Blatant Ad
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Don't forget the February Sale - 20% off of anything on the website with green on it. (Subject to prior sale.)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43269 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 2/2/2007
Subject: Talking station reproducer
In the past I have made several reproducers from windup old
"Victrola" reproducers. In most cases, just takes drilling a hole ( s
) at the right angle and inserting a brass ( brazing rod ) rod to carry
it unit. Since all wind up phonographs have become collectors items, I
set out to repair a
broken diaphragm in an AF reproducer. I have come up with a reasonable
and functional repair.

I Made a diaphragm from a piece of metal from a ( Coors ) beer
can. I tried several various metals, but found a .003 piece of aluminum
works best. A win, win, operation., Poured the beer into a glass,
and drinking the beer, I cut the can open, flattened it. cut out a 1
7/8" dia circle, riveted it the needle holder, popped it together with
2-56 screws, wallah, it works as good as new.

Any one wishing to repair a broken reproducer. E-mail me off
line. I will help you. Being retired from Coors, I have an access to
virgin .003 aluminum. As most know, It was Adolph Coors that invented
the Aluminum can, and has the only Aluminum recycling plant for beer cans
in the world. I Can't help waving the flag, They send me a little
money each month to buy trains with.

Jerry HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 43270 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2007
Subject: 27 inch radius
I wondering how using 27 inch radius switches will effect my layout plan that had the AF track switches with 19 inch radius.

Classic Track switches are in, 27", not 19.

I am planning on building a 12 x 9 foot layout.

How will that effect the use of straight track.

I used one of the old AF track planners to draw out a layout. Is there something on the market that takes into account for 27 in curves?

Also, I will have two main lines, side by side. Would I use 19 inch curve for the inside line?

Thanks, as this is going to be a whole new experience for me.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43271 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/2/2007
Subject: AF Switch Question
On a AF switch, the metal post, 2 of them are turning, as you screw down the bolt on the wire.

I see there is no way to "tighten" this post up, as far as I can tell.

Is there a way to stop this turning of the post, as I took the bottom plate off.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43272 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 2/2/2007
Subject: Re: AF Switch Question
How about a shot of super glue from the underside.


-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>
> On a AF switch, the metal post, 2 of them are turning, as you screw down the
> bolt on the wire.
>
> I see there is no way to "tighten" this post up, as far as I can tell.
>
> Is there a way to stop this turning of the post, as I took the bottom plate off.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
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>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43273 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/2/2007
Subject: Re: AF Switch Question
SUPER GLUE....... BOB
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 9:04 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Switch Question


On a AF switch, the metal post, 2 of them are turning, as you screw down the bolt on the wire.

I see there is no way to "tighten" this post up, as far as I can tell.

Is there a way to stop this turning of the post, as I took the bottom plate off.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43274 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/3/2007
Subject: AF Switch
Thanks to Manderman and Bob, as I thought that might be the solution.

I wonder if solder might be stronger, but I will try the super glue first.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43275 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 2/3/2007
Subject: Re;27 inch radius
You may be surprised at the difference a 27" radius curve will make
to a track plan that used 19" radius. Let's say that you're doing a
basic double track oval. You use American Flyer regular radius
curves and switches on the inside track. Your curves measure out to
38" diameter, or allowing for overhang of large locos and cars,
require a space of about 40" in width. Your outer track will be 27"
radius curves and switches which have a diameter of 54" or need about
56" for outside clearance.
If you try to use 27" radius switches and 19" curves you run into
inside clearance problems with the inner track. You also end up with
a problem in matching up the ends of the track on the outside loop
unless you match the position of the 27" switches across from each
other or cut and fit sections of track.
Also remember that when you go to 27" radius for curves you are now
shortening your straight track between the curves at each end.
Instead of 19" at each end, you have 27" at each end, and then a
couple of inches for end clearance. You will probably have to cut
sections of track to fit your straight length.
None of this is impossible of course, I do it all the time working
with flex track on micro layouts, but it does take some thought and
planning.
Stumpy Stone...from a cold, snowy Martins Ferry, OH.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43276 From: guess Date: 2/3/2007
Subject: People in Tulsa Oklahoma area
Are there any AF people in the Tulsa, OK area?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43277 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/3/2007
Subject: Re: AF Switch
MIKE.... I once had, and still have it, a blueline machine in my business...... The motor shaft came loose from the aramature or something....... I used SUPER GLUE on the motor..... It ran great for many, many years..... We now no longer run prints anymore...... jest punch a button and send the plans out..... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 9:10 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Switch


Thanks to Manderman and Bob, as I thought that might be the solution.

I wonder if solder might be stronger, but I will try the super glue first.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43278 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/3/2007
Subject: Re: Re;27 inch radius
STUMPY...... actually there is another way...... enlarge the plan by about 135%...... Then have you train room ENLARGED BY THESAME........ BOb
----- Original Message -----
From: Stumpy Stone
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 8:27 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re;27 inch radius


You may be surprised at the difference a 27" radius curve will make
to a track plan that used 19" radius. Let's say that you're doing a
basic double track oval. You use American Flyer regular radius
curves and switches on the inside track. Your curves measure out to
38" diameter, or allowing for overhang of large locos and cars,
require a space of about 40" in width. Your outer track will be 27"
radius curves and switches which have a diameter of 54" or need about
56" for outside clearance.
If you try to use 27" radius switches and 19" curves you run into
inside clearance problems with the inner track. You also end up with
a problem in matching up the ends of the track on the outside loop
unless you match the position of the 27" switches across from each
other or cut and fit sections of track.
Also remember that when you go to 27" radius for curves you are now
shortening your straight track between the curves at each end.
Instead of 19" at each end, you have 27" at each end, and then a
couple of inches for end clearance. You will probably have to cut
sections of track to fit your straight length.
None of this is impossible of course, I do it all the time working
with flex track on micro layouts, but it does take some thought and
planning.
Stumpy Stone...from a cold, snowy Martins Ferry, OH.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43279 From: Dan Greenberg Date: 2/3/2007
Subject: AF Switch
As a general rule in electronics, solder is not structural. It's there to
ensure electrical contact, not for strength... which is why strain relief is
critical to the continued functioning of a solder joint/splice.

Super glue, on the other hand, is stronger than most materials. Remember
the guy hanging from a steel beam?

Cheers,
Dan, the [Electrical] Engineer
Boston area

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43280 From: ljack70117@adelphia.net Date: 2/3/2007
Subject: Re: AF Switch
But Super glue has ZERO strength in the shear mode. You can not pull
it apart but just twist it in the shear direction and it will break
faster than hot Butter.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left




On Feb 3, 2007, at 8:44 PM, Dan Greenberg wrote:

>
> As a general rule in electronics, solder is not structural. It's
> there to
> ensure electrical contact, not for strength... which is why strain
> relief is
> critical to the continued functioning of a solder joint/splice.
>
> Super glue, on the other hand, is stronger than most materials.
> Remember
> the guy hanging from a steel beam?
>
> Cheers,
> Dan, the [Electrical] Engineer
> Boston area
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, recipes and more
> on your
> Live.com page.
> http://www.live.com/?addTemplate=ValentinesDay&ocid=T001MSN30A0701
>
>
>
> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com
> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too!
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://S-Scale.org/albums
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43281 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/3/2007
Subject: Re: AF Switch
Thanks Dan for that information. I did not realize that, as I am a Marketing Sales type, not electrical. O:)!

GO REDSOX! O:)!

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Greenberg
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 8:44 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:AF Switch



As a general rule in electronics, solder is not structural. It's there to
ensure electrical contact, not for strength... which is why strain relief is
critical to the continued functioning of a solder joint/splice.

Super glue, on the other hand, is stronger than most materials. Remember
the guy hanging from a steel beam?

Cheers,
Dan, the [Electrical] Engineer
Boston area

__________________________________________________________
Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, recipes and more on your
Live.com page.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43282 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/3/2007
Subject: Re: AF Switch
Before I got Dan's message, I did decide to solder the underneath of the posts, as I felt super glue would not hold up. I can see Dan's point, as the post is no longer turning, as I really tried to see if it will lose it's grip.

But then, I am going to sell this set of switches, along with another 11 pairs of AF switches, so hopefully, the person who does buy, will not have a problem with it. I will state that the two post had a problem. Sadly, when I purchased this set of switches, the seller at a show did not say anything about the post problem. My fault for not checking at the time.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: ljack70117@...
To: Dan Greenberg
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:AF Switch


But Super glue has ZERO strength in the shear mode. You can not pull
it apart but just twist it in the shear direction and it will break
faster than hot Butter.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left

On Feb 3, 2007, at 8:44 PM, Dan Greenberg wrote:

>
> As a general rule in electronics, solder is not structural. It's
> there to
> ensure electrical contact, not for strength... which is why strain
> relief is
> critical to the continued functioning of a solder joint/splice.
>
> Super glue, on the other hand, is stronger than most materials.
> Remember
> the guy hanging from a steel beam?
>
> Cheers,
> Dan, the [Electrical] Engineer
> Boston area
>
> __________________________________________________________
> Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, recipes and more
> on your
> Live.com page.
> http://www.live.com/?addTemplate=ValentinesDay&ocid=T001MSN30A0701
>
>
>
> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com
> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too!
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://S-Scale.org/albums
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43283 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 2/4/2007
Subject: AF Switch
I suspect that Dan is correct here. If the joint is clean super glue
will probably hold this as well as the original plastic did. I
believe it would definately be stronger than solder, and if applied
carefully would be an amost invisible repair.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer"
<mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Before I got Dan's message, I did decide to solder the underneath
of the posts, as I felt super glue would not hold up. I can see
Dan's point, as the post is no longer turning, as I really tried to


see if it will lose it's grip.
>
> But then, I am going to sell this set of switches, along with
another 11 pairs of AF switches, so hopefully, the person who does
buy, will not have a problem with it. I will state that the two post
had a problem. Sadly, when I purchased this set of switches, the
seller at a show did not say anything about the post problem. My
fault for not checking at the time.
>
> Mike Marmer
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ljack70117@...
> To: Dan Greenberg
> Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 9:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:AF Switch
>
>
> But Super glue has ZERO strength in the shear mode. You can not
pull
> it apart but just twist it in the shear direction and it will
break
> faster than hot Butter.
> Thank you
> Larry Jackman
> Boca Raton FL
> ljack70117@...
> I was born with nothing and
> I have most of it left
>
> On Feb 3, 2007, at 8:44 PM, Dan Greenberg wrote:
>
> >
> > As a general rule in electronics, solder is not structural.
It's
> > there to
> > ensure electrical contact, not for strength... which is why
strain
> > relief is
> > critical to the continued functioning of a solder joint/splice.
> >
> > Super glue, on the other hand, is stronger than most materials.
> > Remember
> > the guy hanging from a steel beam?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Dan, the [Electrical] Engineer
> > Boston area
> >
> > __________________________________________________________
> > Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, recipes and
more
> > on your
> > Live.com page.
> > http://www.live.com/?
addTemplate=ValentinesDay&ocid=T001MSN30A0701
> >
> >
> >
> > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com
> > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too!
> >
> > Enjoy thousands of great photos
> > at http://S-Scale.org/albums
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43284 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 2/4/2007
Subject: AF Switch
Actually most super glue has a shear strength of around 1200psi.

Thank You

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, ljack70117@... wrote:
>
> But Super glue has ZERO strength in the shear mode. You can not
pull
> it apart but just twist it in the shear direction and it will break
> faster than hot Butter.
> Thank you
> Larry Jackman
> Boca Raton FL
> ljack70117@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43285 From: louis glumac Date: 2/4/2007
Subject: 919
hi,does anyone have the sides to a 919 dump car, or any junk ones they want to sell? email me at lglumac@... thanks lou

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43286 From: toymyb Date: 2/4/2007
Subject: Track Planning Software
Any personal experiences or recomendations?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43287 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 2/4/2007
Subject: Trains in movie sountrack
Hi all,

There is a very good use of trains sounds in the sountrack of the trailer for the movie "Little Children".

If you are interested in that sort of thing check it out here:

http://www.apple.com/trailers/newline/littlechildren/large.html

Mark Anderman
Group: S-Trains Message: 43288 From: David Engle Date: 2/4/2007
Subject: Re: ACC
This is all great for ACC the first time you open the package--after that, it seems to go downhill pretty fast, ambient air (oxygen cure) is definitely a detriment to shelf life of ACC.
----- Original Message -----
From: acgilbertflyer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 10:22 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:AF Switch


Actually most super glue has a shear strength of around 1200psi.

Thank You

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, ljack70117@... wrote:
>
> But Super glue has ZERO strength in the shear mode. You can not
pull
> it apart but just twist it in the shear direction and it will break
> faster than hot Butter.
> Thank you
> Larry Jackman
> Boca Raton FL
> ljack70117@...





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43289 From: John and Maria Harvey Date: 2/4/2007
Subject: superglue
I have used superglue in an "industrial" situation for many years. We
store it well sealed in a refridgerator. This prolongs its shelf life.

Thanks,
John Harvey
Group: S-Trains Message: 43290 From: Phil K Date: 2/4/2007
Subject: Re: Track Planning Software
> Any personal experiences or recomendations? <

Try here:

http://tinyurl.com/22zjv8
Group: S-Trains Message: 43291 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 2/4/2007
Subject: S-Layouts Photos from WGHS Show in Atlanta
The link below will take you to some photos my wife made at this
weekends' World's Greatest Hobby Show in Atlanta. The show was billed
as the largest ever in Atlanta and that may have been the case. It was
certainly filled to overflowing when we were there mid-day Saturday.
Lionel was represented but they didn't have any S gauge displayed.

The photos start with the Crescent City S Gaugers of New Orleans
layout. Then you will see the banner for the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers
Atlanta Division. The photos following that banner are all of the
Atlantic Coast layout.

http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bull+gator/WGHS_001/

When you finish viewing these very nice layouts please take some time
to view the rest of my albums and those of your other S Gauge friends!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 43292 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 2/4/2007
Subject: Re: ACC
We at Pine Canyon use CA type glue with an accelerator for all of our
products. Yes, these glues normally have a shelf life of about 6
months. However, if you store them in your freezer until ready to use,
they will last over a year. I always have a 2 oz bottle of Super-T,
Special-T or UFO on my workbench. I use it many times a day. I
probably go through the bottle within 4 to 5 months. It dose thicken a
bit as yu reach the bottom of the barrel. I just toss it when it does
not want to come out of the bottle any more. I freeze the unopened
bottles. Once opened, I just leave it sit on my workbench. Guess not
all ACC or CA type glues are created equal. I also have a bottle of
solvent for this glue handy. I have had to unglue my fingers a few
times. The solvent does work real fast and well. Totally removes it
from your fingers. Better than cutting the skin from your fingers. If
you have any questions about using these glues, please drop us a line.
We sell a complete line of them for putting together our kits. Never
had any problems with holding. Just have problems trying to get the
part apart if I want to straighten it after spraying the accelerator.
Pritty strong bond. Make sure the part is where you want it before
spraying the accelerator. If you are glueing a seam or crack on an AF
shell or the like, I would use only the thin CA glues like Hot Stuff.
Hope this helps,
Keith Blanchard
http://www.pinecanyonrr.com

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Engle" <RIRocket@...> wrote:
>
> This is all great for ACC the first time you open the package--after
that, it seems to go downhill pretty fast, ambient air (oxygen cure)
is definitely a detriment to shelf life of ACC.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43293 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/4/2007
Subject: Re: S-Layouts Photos WGHS Atlanta Show - And some additional commen
Thanks to Bull Gator 1 and his wife for sharing the photos taken in Atlanta.
I will make some comments about them and report on some things I observed at
the show.
-----------------------

I arrived Saturday near the end of the show, and then I returned for most of
today's show. The photos taken by BG1s wife included some nice items that I
missed. In particular was the photo of a Daylight Steam loco that everybody
was still talking about when I arrived. I understand that this was owned by
Dr. Jack Fisher of Nashville where I live and that Dr. Fisher had departed prior
to my arriving. So I was really happy to see these photos.
-----------------------

I especially enjoyed seeing Tom Robinson and the Georgia Division of the
Atlantic Coast S Gaugers. Tom had his 2 RS3s and FA-FB-FA set of diesels that he
recently custom decorated in the Tennessee Central paint scheme on display and
operating on the layout. He also had a number of freight cars decorated for
TC. These models were splendidly done. I wonder if these TC items are a
first for S gauge?
-----------------------

This was also my first opportunity to see the new American S Gauge track, on
the ACLSG layout. I have a bias toward the code 148 and 125 track but I must
admit that this new track (code 172 ??) looks great on roadbed. And I was
impressed with the new turnouts. The club had two of the new turnouts in use on
the layout.
-----------------------

The ACLSG layout was probably as big a hit with children as anything at the
show. One side had a lineup of American Flyer accessories and buttons for the
children to push. One of BG1s photos shows Tom Robinson keeping the children
entertained on that side of the layout.
-----------------------

I also enjoyed seeing the Crescent City S Gaugers layout. And I was
especially happy to meet Jay Mellon of that group who was also manning the NASG booth
alongside the club's layout. I had read a lot about Jay in Dispatch and on
this Yahoo group. I had a very enjoyable visit with him. Unlike the ACLSG
group, the Crescent City group was operating all DCC locos, and their rail and
turnouts were all code 148. There was a Union Pacific streamliner being pulled
by AM E8s and Flyonel passenger trains that looked great. The thing I probably
paid the most attention to was a new AM Northern. This particular one was in
the Rock Island scheme. It had great smoke and sounds and looked very
impressive. This was my first viewing of this locomotive other than in photos.
-----------------------

As BG1 reported, Lionel had a booth, but there was no American Flyer product
or promotional infomation. No one would have learned that they are in the S
gauge market.
-----------------------

There were a couple of nice HO layouts and a 2 rail O gauge layout that I
enjoyed. This was my first viewing of the huge layout of the Sipping and
Switching Society of North Carolina. They had one train with 101 cars and another
with 69 cars. I was relieved that there were no really large N gauge or O-27
layouts. What was there was unimpressive. The S gauge layouts looked far
superior, as of course they should.
-----------------------

One of my goals in attending this show was to learn more about DCC.
Digitrax had a nice display and was staffed with knowledgeable people. They are
located in Atlanta. I did not find any other booths with a lot to share about
DCC though I did get some nice information from Jay Mellon and the Crescent City
club. .
-----------------------

This train show was one of the nicest I have attended in a long time. The
Cobb Galleria facility was clean and refreshing and had plenty of convenient and
free parking.
-----------------------

- Earl Henry, Nashville, TN


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43294 From: Roy Hoffman Date: 2/5/2007
Subject: Re: S-Layouts Photos WGHS Atlanta Show - And some additional commen
I am amazed at how Lionel keeps shooting themselves in the foot. Here
was a large crowd with lots of kids, several S layouts stirring
interest in S and no mention of AF in the Lionel display.

My favorite picture is the one where kids are staring wide-eyed at a
log loader. Perhaps there is a future for model/toy trains and AF
after all. WGH is an effort to stop the demise of model trains and
reach the young (and boost MR circulation and HO sales in the
process), but it's a great opportunity for S to sneak in there and
grab new S gaugers.
Will someone please tell Lionel!

Roy
Group: S-Trains Message: 43295 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 2/5/2007
Subject: Re: S-Layouts Photos WGHS Atlanta Show - And some additional c...
In a message dated 2/5/2007 12:54:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
hoffmanroy@... writes:

I am amazed at how Lionel keeps shooting themselves in the foot. Here
was a large crowd with lots of kids, several S layouts stirring
interest in S and no mention of AF in the Lionel display.

My favorite picture is the one where kids are staring wide-eyed at a
log loader. Perhaps there is a future for model/toy trains and AF
after all. WGH is an effort to stop the demise of model trains and
reach the young (and boost MR circulation and HO sales in the
process), but it's a great opportunity for S to sneak in there and
grab new S gaugers.
Will someone please tell Lionel!

Roy



Roy,

When "L" stacks up what they are selling in "S", after listening to what the
customers want and all the whining that they listen to after the offerings
are out on the market, in comparison to what they produce in "O" their stance
is this...Why bother!!!!

The rank and file at "L" aren't train enthusiasts in love with this stuff
like you and I, they are in it for the bottom line....volume and profit...

If you want to see some real sales in the train world, visit the Scale Show
at the Maryland State Fairgrounds in Timonium. 20,000 people show up here to
buy HO and N gauge. A spattering of O & S people set up here with minimal
sales. The bulk of O & S dealers are in the same room with all of the
layouts, which represented most all of the gauges. The TCA WB&A show in Annapolis
was held on the same week-end. It in my opinion was a flop. Empty tables, and
no problem to get a parking space.

Fred


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43296 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 2/5/2007
Subject: S-Layouts Photos from WGHS Show in Atlanta
Wow, Tom Robinsonand your group,

It was great seeing pictures of so many kids involved
with trains!!!

Joe
Group: S-Trains Message: 43297 From: judgeatkck2002 Date: 2/5/2007
Subject: possible prototype for Franklin Style Engine
I recently purchased a Franklin Engine which has the unusual
characteristic of one side being painted blue while the other side
is the typical green. The paint does not appear to have been added
or altered, basically because the decals are the same on both sides
and appear original. The Engine came in a set including the canon
flat car, Red Passenger car, and the boxcar with operating knuckle
couplers and the opening with no door. The only other significant
information I have is that there is a stamped or handmarked 7 on the
bottom of the engine on the motor field. Two Kansas City Area
collectors thought this might be a prototype for the General engine
which came out a year later. Any ideas or suggestions would be
appreciated.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43298 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/5/2007
Subject: 720A or 26742
Thanks to all who answer my questions on switches, the moving post, as I got that taken care of.

My next question is, are the 720A and 26742 switches basically the same?

I know the 26760 have non lighted controller, but other than that, is there is a difference in the 720A and 26742, beside just the number. And I do know that some had dots or disk for the colors on the switch, or binding post or Fahnstock connectors.

Thanks Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43299 From: George Cohn Date: 2/5/2007
Subject: Re: warning of potential fraud scheme related to ebay purchases of
Trains wrote:
>
>
> WARNING! I have been ripped off by an ebay "power seller" going by ebay
> name: traditionalhobbies, the persons name is: Doug Swanson.

I won a stockyard controller button from him. Sent a money order the
next day and received a boxcar shell instead.

Tried e-mailing him directly twice and twice went through eBay contact
seller mechanism. After no response, I filed a "did not receive the
correct item" complaint.

Here's his response and my rebuttal:

I sent a money order to him. He obviously cashed it and sent me a
boxcar shell instead of the item I won. I have tried contacting him
twice through eBay and twice to his personal email address trying
to resolve the issue.

I would be happy to send the incorrect item back once I receive either
the item I won or a complete refund including shipping.

His response makes no sense as why would he send me an incorrect item if
I had not paid him?

traditionalhobbies Feb-05-07 at 16:41:33 PST

as of today, no payment

gwesco Feb-05-07 at 14:29:21 PST

Item Not Received: American Flyer Stock Yard 2 Button Controller (No
Chips (#140073941079)
Payment Method: BidPay / Western Union Money Order
Payment Date: Jan-14-2007

As Alice said, curiouser and curiouser.

Don't know what's going on as he has received a number of negative
feedbacks in the last month. Mostly for non-shipment.

We'll see what happens. In 9 years of being an eBay buyer and seller,
this is the first time I've really had a problem. My feedback is 100%
for 441 transactions. Want to bet he gives me negative feedback and
claims that I didn't communicate and he's not responsible for server
problems? That seems to be his modus operandi.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 43300 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/5/2007
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] possible prototype for Franklin Style Engine
Can we have a picture of it?


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43301 From: Eric R. Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: Re: possible prototype for Franklin Style Engine
I have seen this before on Franklin engines. If you leave them in the sun,
or just out on a shelf for a long time they will fade from green to blue, it
is something in the mix of the paint. I think this might be what happened
to this one. I have seen a number of them in various stages.



eric



-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of judgeatkck2002
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:30 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] possible prototype for Franklin Style Engine



I recently purchased a Franklin Engine which has the unusual
characteristic of one side being painted blue while the other side
is the typical green. The paint does not appear to have been added
or altered, basically because the decals are the same on both sides
and appear original. The Engine came in a set including the canon
flat car, Red Passenger car, and the boxcar with operating knuckle
couplers and the opening with no door. The only other significant
information I have is that there is a stamped or handmarked 7 on the
bottom of the engine on the motor field. Two Kansas City Area
collectors thought this might be a prototype for the General engine
which came out a year later. Any ideas or suggestions would be
appreciated.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43302 From: Trains Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: Re: warning of potential fraud scheme related to ebay purchases of
Mr Cohn,

Thank you very much for your reply and explaining the problems you encountered in dealing with Mr. Doug Swanson dba as traditional hobbies.com & traditionalhobbies on ebay.

I have heard from more than a few who have had exactly the same problems of recieving the wrong items and not being able to communicate in any rational way with this person. Usually after a very long wait of months and a number of attempts to contact Mr. Swanson.

I have filed an internet fraud report, would you allow me to include your email and name as further evidence that this man is involved in decieving buyers on the internet? If so I would appreciate a brief statement from you that end.

I am also going to file a fraud complaint with the US Postal Service and have tried to contact the Illinois Attourneys General office without any luck so far. Can't get their internet fraund complaint form to download to my computer.

Thanks for your effort,

Dr. K. Loeb, drktrains on ebay

PS. In communication attempts with him by long distance phone, over 12 times, he has not made sense, seemed irrational, and always had excuses why he has not/or did send items, he has also promised to refund money, still have not seen anything from him in over seven months. None of the many emails I have sent have been answered. Ebay has washed their hands of any responsibility and refussed to do anything to stop this individual from continuing to defraud buyers on ebay.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43303 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: Fwd: RE: [S-Trains] possible prototype for Franklin Style Engine
john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...> wrote: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:09:38 -0800 (PST)
From: john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...>
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] possible prototype for Franklin Style Engine
To: "Eric R." <northline@...>

The rare Franklin variations are the "Smokey Joe", which has a black/very dark gray PAINTED boiler and top of tender plus 20's style brass stanchions instesd of cotter pins for the handrails. The other is the "First Fifty", which came in sets only. This variant has the "First Fifty" rubberstamped in gold on the top of the tender, and the coaches are painted tan- on the set that I had, the coaches were painted tan over black plastic, as opposed to being molded in tan. Traded both to Donn Lowe years ago, and I believe that Doug Peck wound up with them-John Marganski
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43304 From: Art Shifrin Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: Doug Swanson aka Traditional Hobbies
If you've been screwed by this creep, then call Detective Brian AMlloy
of the Oak Brook Police Dept. 630-368-8751). Tell him that Art
Shifrin provided the contact information.

That ebay has done nothing to correct the unwarranted negative feedbacks
and frauds clearly demonstrate that its management has no concept of
ethics: just greed.

When I have time I'll be pursuing this with the California State
Attorney General (against ebay) and the Illinois State Attorney General.
I acknowledge that even the cumulative thefts perpetrated by Swanson are
petty as compared to far greater and more injurious ills
suffered by our society. But it's the DUTY of those who are his victims
to at least try and do something about it.

Also, FYI Swanson is a 'member in good standing of the TCA'. I will not
be renewing my membership with that 'disorganization' if Swanson hasn't
been kicked out by the next time I have to send payment.

Art (Shiffy) Shifrin


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I am amazed at how Lionel keeps shooting themselves in the foot.
Here
was a large crowd with lots of kids, several S layouts stirring
interest in S and no mention of AF in the Lionel display.

My favorite picture is the one where kids are staring wide-eyed
at a
log loader. Perhaps there is a future for model/toy trains and
AF
after all. WGH is an effort to stop the demise of model trains
and
reach the young (and boost MR circulation and HO sales in the
process), but it's a great opportunity for S to sneak in there
and
grab new S gaugers.
Will someone please tell Lionel!

Roy



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writes:

I am amazed at how Lionel keeps shooting themselves in the foot.
Here
was a large crowd with lots of kids, several S layouts stirring
interest in S and no mention of AF in the Lionel display.

My favorite picture is the one where kids are staring wide-eyed
at a
log loader. Perhaps there is a future for model/toy trains and
AF
after all. WGH is an effort to stop the demise of model trains
and
reach the young (and boost MR circulation and HO sales in the
process), but it's a great opportunity for S to sneak in there
and
grab new S gaugers.
Will someone please tell Lionel!

Roy

Roy,

When "L" stacks up what they are selling in "S", after listening
to what the
customers want and all the whining that they listen to after the
offerings
are out on the market, in comparison to what they produce in "O"
their stance
is this...Why bother!!!!

The rank and file at "L" aren't train enthusiasts in love with
this stuff
like you and I, they are in it for the bottom line....volume and
profit...

If you want to see some real sales in the train world, visit the
Scale Show
at the Maryland State Fairgrounds in Timonium. 20,000 people
show up here to
buy HO and N gauge. A spattering of O & S people set up here
with minimal
sales. The bulk of O & S dealers are in the same room with all
of the
layouts, which represented most all of the gauges. The TCA WB&A
show in Annapolis
was held on the same week-end. It in my opinion was a flop.
Empty tables, and
no problem to get a parking space.

Fred

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Wow, Tom Robinsonand your group,

It was great seeing pictures of so many kids involved
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Joe


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I recently purchased a Franklin Engine which has the unusual
characteristic of one side being painted blue while the other
side
is the typical green. The paint does not appear to have been
added
or altered, basically because the decals are the same on both
sides
and appear original. The Engine came in a set including the
canon
flat car, Red Passenger car, and the boxcar with operating
knuckle
couplers and the opening with no door. The only other
significant
information I have is that there is a stamped or handmarked 7 on
the
bottom of the engine on the motor field. Two Kansas City Area
collectors thought this might be a prototype for the General
engine
which came out a year later. Any ideas or suggestions would be
appreciated.


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Mon Feb 5, 2007 4:47 pm (PST)

Thanks to all who answer my questions on switches, the moving
post, as I got that taken care of.

My next question is, are the 720A and 26742 switches basically
the same?

I know the 26760 have non lighted controller, but other than
that, is there is a difference in the 720A and 26742, beside just the
number. And I do know that some had dots or disk for the colors on the
switch, or binding post or Fahnstock connectors.

Thanks Mike

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Trains wrote:
>
>
> WARNING! I have been ripped off by an ebay "power seller"
going by ebay
> name: traditionalhobbies, the persons name is: Doug Swanson.

I won a stockyard controller button from him. Sent a money order
the
next day and received a boxcar shell instead.

Tried e-mailing him directly twice and twice went through eBay
contact
seller mechanism. After no response, I filed a "did not receive
the
correct item" complaint.

Here's his response and my rebuttal:

I sent a money order to him. He obviously cashed it and sent me
a
boxcar shell instead of the item I won. I have tried contacting
him
twice through eBay and twice to his personal email address
trying
to resolve the issue.

I would be happy to send the incorrect item back once I receive
either
the item I won or a complete refund including shipping.

His response makes no sense as why would he send me an incorrect
item if
I had not paid him?

traditionalhobbies Feb-05-07 at 16:41:33 PST

as of today, no payment

gwesco Feb-05-07 at 14:29:21 PST

Item Not Received: American Flyer Stock Yard 2 Button Controller
(No
Chips (#140073941079)
Payment Method: BidPay / Western Union Money Order
Payment Date: Jan-14-2007

As Alice said, curiouser and curiouser.

Don't know what's going on as he has received a number of
negative
feedbacks in the last month. Mostly for non-shipment.

We'll see what happens. In 9 years of being an eBay buyer and
seller,
this is the first time I've really had a problem. My feedback is
100%
for 441 transactions. Want to bet he gives me negative feedback
and
claims that I didn't communicate and he's not responsible for
server
problems? That seems to be his modus operandi.

George Cohn


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Can we have a picture of it?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43305 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: Lionel Transformer
Good Morning All -

Was reading through the 2007 Lionel catalog yesterday and looking at
the new Flyonel Docksider set. I wonder why they chose not to include
the CW-80 transformer with the set instead of a "35 Watt" transformer?
They include the CW-80 with just anout every other O gauge set. Is
anyone familiar with the "35 Watt" transformer they refer to? I hope
it's not the one with no terminals.

Jim E.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43306 From: Phil K Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: Traditional Hobbies ain't the only one
>> That ebay has done nothing to correct the unwarranted negative
feedbacks and frauds clearly demonstrate that its management has no
concept of ethics: just greed.

> Also, FYI Swanson is a 'member in good standing of the TCA'. I
will not be renewing my membership with that 'disorganization' if
Swanson hasn't been kicked out by the next time I have to send
payment.<<

Shiffy --

I share your reason for not renewing my longtime National TCA
membership. I don't know why I stayed with TCA so long, as to me it
was a very-heavy-on-Lionel O-gauge organization. I had no use for a
quarterly magazine filled with stories and photos about Lionel and
three-rail model trains. It wouldn't have been so bad if they would
at least have paid lip-service to those of us in S, but whatever
little they did was not enough for me to renew, especially at the new
higher dues. It just wasn't worth it.

They also do almost NOTHING about TCA members who scam buyers,
especially on eBay -- including cheating other TCA members. One look
no further than some of the O gauge forums for evidence.

I do plan to keep my membership in the local TCA chapter, which
does not require national membership. I have met some nice people there. But the national TCA membership does nothing for me except send me magazines and credit card offers I don't want. I'm also offended that a lot of their collectibles -- not all, but most -- are 3-rail O gauge.

I also found out eBay didn't back up its bold promises to police
dishonest sellers. I have really toned down my eBay buying since they
refused to even respond to my complaints. I used buy-it-now to purchase an item, and the seller refused to sell it to me because he claimed the price had been lowered by someone who hacked his site. I got suspicious when he refused to report the "hacking" to eBay. He also had the chutzpah to give me negative feedback over my requests he sell me the item -- imagine that! I'm not going through the whole story in detail again -- it's already on this forum.

I also had one transaction with Mr. Swanson -- in the early days,
when I first got started on eBay and was trying to build a good
feedback number. He refused to give me feedback after repeated email
requests. Although the product arrived as promised.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 43307 From: knockbill Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: York Days in Oct '06
Hi,
Anyone who made reservations at the York Days in last Oct only to be
turned away when they arrived, please contact me off list. There were
at least 34 rooms of TCA members turned away.
To not tie up the S List with this thread, you may follow it on TCA's
TTML group starting in Oct '06.....
Please excuse this non train interuption, as I am try to locate all
those involved.....
Thanks John
Group: S-Trains Message: 43308 From: Jay E. Mellon Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: WGHS Promotion of S
All,
We had a blast running our display layout at the "World's Greatest Hobby" show in Atlanta last weekend. Best estimates put the attendance at 30,000 folks, with 20K on Saturday alone. On the first day, we were totally surrounded by crowds the whole day. It was the biggest show we have ever done and was INTENSE. Apparently, the WGH promotion crew ran tv ads 2 weeks prior to the show and children under 16 got in free. So, the crowds were predominantly families with children (parents or grandparents). As Roy Hoffman has said, hopefully, we have helped plant the "train bug" in their brains, to be re-activated in the future as full-blown S model railroaders.

Thanks to Roy Inman for his rapid response to my request for S promotional literature. It was essentially depleted by noon on the first day. It was also great to visit with Tom Robinson again and meet more of the Atlantic Coast S Gauger (Georgia Division) crew. There was no S product at the show, with the exception of a few original AF pieces and a good deal on some SHS cars that Art Kimmel (S dealer from Pensacola, FL) located. These cars were quickly "liberated" by CCSG members. A few people asked us where they could buy S equipment. I gave them Art's business card. SHS catalogs were much in demand. The few I had disappeared rapidly (given exclusively ONLY to very interested folk).

I had a fun visit with Earl Henry, who traveled all the way from Nashville just to attend this show. S folk are dedicated. Thanks to "BullGator" for taking pics of our layout at the show and posting them on the S list. I was delighted to see the "Daylight" steam train. To me, it looked like a conversion of an AF "Northern" to a GS model with the passenger cars of "Flyonel" vintage (released 1982). A very nice looking train. Maybe the owner could be convinced to produce an article on its conversion for the NASG Dispatch.

On Sunday, a reporter/cameraman from the Atlanta CBS affiliate (46?) interviewed our own CCSG member Art Weller and got some footage of our layout in action. So, maybe the viewers there will be treated to some more S action. You can't buy promotion like that. At any rate, CCSG and ACSG (GD) promoted the heck out of S model railroading in Atlanta this past weekend. Hopefully, we gave those developing engineers something to think about besides "Thomas The Tank Engine". :-) Take care.

'S'incerely,
Jay Mellon
Crescent City S Gaugers
New Orleans, LA
Group: S-Trains Message: 43309 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: Re: possible prototype for Franklin Style Engine
This is an important warning to all who have trains displayed in their homes.

Florescent lights will fade the paint colors of your trains over time. If
you use this type of lighting I would advise that you purchase UV filter
sleeves to slide over your tubes, preferably museum quality or switch to
incandescent lighting.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43310 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/6/2007
Subject: Re: Doug Swanson aka Traditional Hobbies
Art,

I have filed a complaint against a TCA member a few years ago, if you remember the 21130 Hudson I won from a TCA member, that had all the steps glued on, as he wrote the item, on Ebay was E plus, nothing broken or missing. He did not mention the steps issue.

Mr. Altoona, TCA person in charge of complaints did nothing as he said since I got my money back, no harm to me. Yeah, right.

In order for TCA to do anything against this person, those people need to write to Mr. Altoona, if they have not. And where that might go, who knows.

Best of luck, with your issue,

Mike Marmer
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Subject: [S-Trains] Doug Swanson aka Traditional Hobbies


If you've been screwed by this creep, then call Detective Brian AMlloy
of the Oak Brook Police Dept. 630-368-8751). Tell him that Art
Shifrin provided the contact information.

That ebay has done nothing to correct the unwarranted negative feedbacks
and frauds clearly demonstrate that its management has no concept of
ethics: just greed.

When I have time I'll be pursuing this with the California State
Attorney General (against ebay) and the Illinois State Attorney General.
I acknowledge that even the cumulative thefts perpetrated by Swanson are
petty as compared to far greater and more injurious ills
suffered by our society. But it's the DUTY of those who are his victims
to at least try and do something about it.

Also, FYI Swanson is a 'member in good standing of the TCA'. I will not
be renewing my membership with that 'disorganization' if Swanson hasn't
been kicked out by the next time I have to send payment.

Art (Shiffy) Shifrin


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Re: S-Layouts Photos WGHS Atlanta Show - And some additional
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Mon Feb 5, 2007 9:51 am (PST)

I am amazed at how Lionel keeps shooting themselves in the foot.
Here
was a large crowd with lots of kids, several S layouts stirring
interest in S and no mention of AF in the Lionel display.

My favorite picture is the one where kids are staring wide-eyed
at a
log loader. Perhaps there is a future for model/toy trains and
AF
after all. WGH is an effort to stop the demise of model trains
and
reach the young (and boost MR circulation and HO sales in the
process), but it's a great opportunity for S to sneak in there
and
grab new S gaugers.
Will someone please tell Lionel!

Roy



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Mon Feb 5, 2007 11:16 am (PST)

In a message dated 2/5/2007 12:54:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

hoffmanroy@... <mailto:hoffmanroy%40earthlink.net>
writes:

I am amazed at how Lionel keeps shooting themselves in the foot.
Here
was a large crowd with lots of kids, several S layouts stirring
interest in S and no mention of AF in the Lionel display.

My favorite picture is the one where kids are staring wide-eyed
at a
log loader. Perhaps there is a future for model/toy trains and
AF
after all. WGH is an effort to stop the demise of model trains
and
reach the young (and boost MR circulation and HO sales in the
process), but it's a great opportunity for S to sneak in there
and
grab new S gaugers.
Will someone please tell Lionel!

Roy

Roy,

When "L" stacks up what they are selling in "S", after listening
to what the
customers want and all the whining that they listen to after the
offerings
are out on the market, in comparison to what they produce in "O"
their stance
is this...Why bother!!!!

The rank and file at "L" aren't train enthusiasts in love with
this stuff
like you and I, they are in it for the bottom line....volume and
profit...

If you want to see some real sales in the train world, visit the
Scale Show
at the Maryland State Fairgrounds in Timonium. 20,000 people
show up here to
buy HO and N gauge. A spattering of O & S people set up here
with minimal
sales. The bulk of O & S dealers are in the same room with all
of the
layouts, which represented most all of the gauges. The TCA WB&A
show in Annapolis
was held on the same week-end. It in my opinion was a flop.
Empty tables, and
no problem to get a parking space.

Fred

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Mon Feb 5, 2007 1:32 pm (PST)

Wow, Tom Robinsonand your group,

It was great seeing pictures of so many kids involved
with trains!!!

Joe


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possible prototype for Franklin Style Engine
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Mon Feb 5, 2007 4:47 pm (PST)

I recently purchased a Franklin Engine which has the unusual
characteristic of one side being painted blue while the other
side
is the typical green. The paint does not appear to have been
added
or altered, basically because the decals are the same on both
sides
and appear original. The Engine came in a set including the
canon
flat car, Red Passenger car, and the boxcar with operating
knuckle
couplers and the opening with no door. The only other
significant
information I have is that there is a stamped or handmarked 7 on
the
bottom of the engine on the motor field. Two Kansas City Area
collectors thought this might be a prototype for the General
engine
which came out a year later. Any ideas or suggestions would be
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Mon Feb 5, 2007 4:47 pm (PST)

Thanks to all who answer my questions on switches, the moving
post, as I got that taken care of.

My next question is, are the 720A and 26742 switches basically
the same?

I know the 26760 have non lighted controller, but other than
that, is there is a difference in the 720A and 26742, beside just the
number. And I do know that some had dots or disk for the colors on the
switch, or binding post or Fahnstock connectors.

Thanks Mike

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Mon Feb 5, 2007 8:08 pm (PST)

Trains wrote:
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>
> WARNING! I have been ripped off by an ebay "power seller"
going by ebay
> name: traditionalhobbies, the persons name is: Doug Swanson.

I won a stockyard controller button from him. Sent a money order
the
next day and received a boxcar shell instead.

Tried e-mailing him directly twice and twice went through eBay
contact
seller mechanism. After no response, I filed a "did not receive
the
correct item" complaint.

Here's his response and my rebuttal:

I sent a money order to him. He obviously cashed it and sent me
a
boxcar shell instead of the item I won. I have tried contacting
him
twice through eBay and twice to his personal email address
trying
to resolve the issue

I would be happy to send the incorrect item back once I receive
either
the item I won or a complete refund including shipping.

His response makes no sense as why would he send me an incorrect
item if
I had not paid him?

traditionalhobbies Feb-05-07 at 16:41:33 PST

as of today, no payment

gwesco Feb-05-07 at 14:29:21 PST

Item Not Received: American Flyer Stock Yard 2 Button Controller
(No
Chips (#140073941079)
Payment Method: BidPay / Western Union Money Order
Payment Date: Jan-14-2007

As Alice said, curiouser and curiouser.

Don't know what's going on as he has received a number of
negative
feedbacks in the last month. Mostly for non-shipment.

We'll see what happens. In 9 years of being an eBay buyer and
seller,
this is the first time I've really had a problem. My feedback is
100%
for 441 transactions. Want to bet he gives me negative feedback
and
claims that I didn't communicate and he's not responsible for
server
problems? That seems to be his modus operandi.

George Cohn


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Can we have a picture of it?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43311 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 2/7/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel Transformer
Hi All,
I too was looking at the new "L" catalog. Flyer has 12 pages of the 216 page catalog (or 12 1/3 if you count the track on page 212). With that catalog came the K-Line 38 page catalog.
Oh, the K-Line has a lot of items, but none sold as a "set". The only mention of track is that they run "on 0 31 track". Many do use TMCC.

jfred

hugoroundhouse <jimensign50@...> wrote: Good Morning All -

Was reading through the 2007 Lionel catalog yesterday and looking at
the new Flyonel Docksider set. I wonder why they chose not to include
the CW-80 transformer with the set instead of a "35 Watt" transformer?
They include the CW-80 with just anout every other O gauge set. Is
anyone familiar with the "35 Watt" transformer they refer to? I hope
it's not the one with no terminals.

Jim E.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 43312 From: northline@comcast.net Date: 2/7/2007
Subject: FW: Gill Lott, email not getting through???
-------------- Forwarded Message: --------------
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To: availablesgauge@yahoogroups.com, strains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Gill Lott, email not getting through???
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 16:22:33 +0000

Gill I am still holding some trains for you and am not getting responses from my emails at either of your emails. Please let me know if you sent the check..

eric reis

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43313 From: mikejoan45@comcast.net Date: 2/7/2007
Subject: Need info on Flyer set
Hello,
I am looking for some information on an American Flyer set I picked up this week,
The set box shows the number 20134. It contains a 303,802,807,911, 925, and
806 plus a carboard trestle set.. I looked in the guide to A.F. sets and it is listed as
set name. "Richie Premium".. What is Richie Premium ? Thank you for you help
Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43314 From: Alan Evans Date: 2/7/2007
Subject: Ohio S Spree is Coming March 30-31
This year's S Spree is March 30 and 31 in Hilliard, Ohio.

Over 18,000 square feet of S: 8500 for dealers, 7000 for modular and
portable layouts, 2800 hospitality/banquet areas.

A special Timken Tank car is being offered in 3 numbers, scale or hi rail.

A pizza party Friday night, banquet on Saturday.

Opens at 10:00 a.m. on March 30; closes 9:30.

Saturday opens at 9:00, closes at 2:00. Self guided tours 2-5 p.m. Happy hour/cash bar 5, banquet 6:00, Auction 9:00

Go to http://www.cosg.org for Registration Form.

Sponsored by the Central Ohio S Gaugers
Group: S-Trains Message: 43315 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 2/7/2007
Subject: Sad situation
It's really too bad that a major group like the TCA doesn't care
enough about it's membership to go after the many thieves out there.
It would be comparativly easy for the TCA to pull the plug on these
guys as members and put out a bulletin in each issue of the TCA
publication, or maybe an ongoing list of the perpetrators in every
issue.
Or is this sort of thing only a problem for TCA members who are
American Flyer collectors?
As for Ebay, there is no excuse for them not to go after the
crooks. I would think that they have some legal responcibility for
the transactions they oversee as an "auction service." It appears they
don't care either.
I know that Ebay is a lifeline for many collectors, but it seems it
would be a good idea for folks to drop it and let them know why!
MAYBE they'll get the message it's time to clean up their act!
Stumpy Stone in Appalachia
Group: S-Trains Message: 43316 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 2/7/2007
Subject: Re: Sad situation
Just the .02 of a prewar 3/16" lurker:

(1) I have to assume that the TCA (I'm not a member) is either lazy,
doesn't care, or (most likely) is so riddled with cronyism, and so unwilling
to believe that any of "their" brothers could possibly do anything wrong,
that nothing will get done. The longer you send guys like Doug [Traditional Hobbies] money, the longer the problem will go on. The
more of you who say - VERY SELFISHLY - "but I got what I wanted" -
are just stabbing your friends in the back. If the guy is no good -
cut him off, and shut him down - don't excuse him simply because he
didn't screw YOU.

(2) The answer as to Ebay is VERY simple - "when in doubt, follow the
money". The SELLERS pay the salaries - buyers are but a nuisance to be
tolerated. Ebay is such a HUGE operation that they frankly do not care. As
long as the complaint level stays below 5%, or whatever the MBA-generated
business model says, THEY WILL NOT DO ANYTHING.

Just try to accept the above, and move on, preaching to the choir is not
going to change anything.

Reminds me of the old story about the guy who was traveling on the railroad
and was served a cockroach in his meal. He wrote a blistering letter to the
company, demanding action, etc. Never figured he'd get a reply. Well, lo and
behold, one day he received the most wonderful, effusive letter, apologizing
profusely, taking full responsibility, etc., ad nauseam. After reading it,
he noticed that a tiny scrap of paper had fallen out of the envelope, onto
the floor, retrieving it, he found that it read: "Send this jerk the bug
letter".

Dick Hosmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43317 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/7/2007
Subject: Re: Sad situation
If everyone that bought trains, no matter the scale, stopped trading on
E-Bay they would still survive. They now hide the ID's of bidders so no one can
see if someone is shill bidding, with the reason being a privacy issue. They
just didn't want people contacting a second place bidder getting offers from
other seller.
Mike
(the one in Ore)


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43318 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/7/2007
Subject: Re: Sad situation
The answer I got from Mr. Altoona, is that they don't have the time to go after every silly "little trivial" complaint. Something like that I will have to dig out my letters from him, when I filed the complaint I had with a ebayer, as I filed two letters with him, only to be rejected twice. I felt he was wrong, Mr. Altoona and did not pursue the issue any further, as I thought it was now a waste of my time.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Stumpy Stone
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:18 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Sad situation


It's really too bad that a major group like the TCA doesn't care
enough about it's membership to go after the many thieves out there.
It would be comparativly easy for the TCA to pull the plug on these
guys as members and put out a bulletin in each issue of the TCA
publication, or maybe an ongoing list of the perpetrators in every
issue.
Or is this sort of thing only a problem for TCA members who are
American Flyer collectors?
As for Ebay, there is no excuse for them not to go after the
crooks. I would think that they have some legal responcibility for
the transactions they oversee as an "auction service." It appears they
don't care either.
I know that Ebay is a lifeline for many collectors, but it seems it
would be a good idea for folks to drop it and let them know why!
MAYBE they'll get the message it's time to clean up their act!
Stumpy Stone in Appalachia





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43319 From: Bret Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: American flyer engines and parts for sale
HI FOLKS
Just updated the list with parts prices and complete engines
available.

My name is Bret and I have been repairing, operating and collecting
American Flyer for 4 years and have accumulated some parts stock.
Here is a small list of the MANY items that I have available.

If you need something and it is not listed PLEASE ask!!!

This will help keep all those fine ACG engines and rolling stock
on the move for the next generation!!! Thank you for your support
all the parts listed are ORIGINAL unless specified!!!
Will trade for needed items

Needed: 342/343 parts boiler front, steam chest
595 water tower roof in EX with light and decal
PA A unit diesel side frames knuckle and link

ENGINES FOR SALE
1) 343 reverse in tender ex+ 350.00
2) 356 silver bullet chrome GD 125.00
3) 303 GD missing one step 55.00
4) 350 VG cast rails slight bend in cow catcher 100.00

PARTS FOR SALE
1)1 drive gear for Baldwin diesel 10.00
2) 322 drive assembly no motor missing one flangless Tire(metal RIM)
10.00
3) 322 steam chest 10.00
4) 322 SIB boiler with great lettering 25.00
5) 2 boiler 4 position e-units 10.00 each with new fingers15.00
6) 2 tender 4 position e units 15.00 ea. With new fingers 20.00
7) SIT armature 35.00 with field 45.00 field only 20.00
7a) 312 SIT frame (no smoke unit)with trucks 8.00
8) 312 SIB boiler clean EX 15.00
9) 312 SIB boiler front EX 15.00
10) 312 SIB Drive assembly(wheel & frame assembly includes gear for
SIB)15.00
11) 312 Steam chest EX 15.00
12) 312 Sib wiring harness 5.00
13) 312 SIB motor and field will sell seperatly 25.00 or 15.00 each
14) 5 4 pin 5 wire female connectors (boiler) 10.00 each
15) 2 4 pin male connectors tender 7.00 each
16) 3 2 pin female connectors 8.00 each
17) 1 300-302 steam chest EX 20.00
18) I have 3 e-unit drums 7.00 each
19) 2 sets of excellent used original e-unit fingers. 2.00/pair
20) 12 link coupler two axle trucks 8.00
21) 12 each non contact wheel sets for link and knuckle available
1.50 each or 4 for 5
22) 8 contact wheel sets for knuckle trucks 2.50 each
23) 4 contact wheel sets for link 2.50 each
24) 312 rear truck diecast with hook EX 20.00
25) 2 knuckle coupler trucks W/FIXED KNUCKLE COUPLER!! 15.00 each
DO you need something that is not listed!!!! JUST ASK

shipping ranges START at 3.00 for each shipment cost varies by weight

thank you
Bret Sipla
Group: S-Trains Message: 43320 From: Roy Inman Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Amazing Erector
Hi all;

I just discovered an amazing collection of Erector models built by a Bill
Klein. Maybe you all are aware, but just in case...

He has custom designed some pretty phenomenal bridges for his Flyer layout
from Erector parts. The other Erector creations are fun viewing as well.

I found them at the A. C. Gilbert Historical Society's web site:

www.acghs.org.

Go to members models and then to Bill Klein's models.

You know, I think some guys just don't sleep...

Cheers :)
Roy Inman
Group: S-Trains Message: 43321 From: Donald Thompson Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: Sad situation
Dear Mike and Stumpy,
Maybe I am missing something here, but if it happens on E-bay, the
TCA has no business getting involved. And might get into legal issues
if it did. E-bay is the one making the money on the auction and should
police it own members, and as far as I can see the TCA has no issue.
Now, if it happened at York, or any other show they sponsor, that would
be a horse of a different color.
Best regards,
Don
PS We had a "E-bay issue" and once UPS went to the police, E-bay did
everything it could to help. We get letters from the NJ state
prosecutor with updates. Pretty interesting stuff. If you have an
issue with someone, I suggest you file and police report and then go to
E-bay. That is what E-bay told us.

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

> The answer I got from Mr. Altoona, is that they don't have the time to
> go after every silly "little trivial" complaint. Something like that I
> will have to dig out my letters from him, when I filed the complaint I
> had with a ebayer, as I filed two letters with him, only to be
> rejected twice. I felt he was wrong, Mr. Altoona and did not pursue
> the issue any further, as I thought it was now a waste of my time.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stumpy Stone
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:18 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Sad situation
>
> It's really too bad that a major group like the TCA doesn't care
> enough about it's membership to go after the many thieves out there.
> It would be comparativly easy for the TCA to pull the plug on these
> guys as members and put out a bulletin in each issue of the TCA
> publication, or maybe an ongoing list of the perpetrators in every
> issue.
> Or is this sort of thing only a problem for TCA members who are
> American Flyer collectors?
> As for Ebay, there is no excuse for them not to go after the
> crooks. I would think that they have some legal responcibility for
> the transactions they oversee as an "auction service." It appears they
> don't care either.
> I know that Ebay is a lifeline for many collectors, but it seems it
> would be a good idea for folks to drop it and let them know why!
> MAYBE they'll get the message it's time to clean up their act!
> Stumpy Stone in Appalachia
>
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>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43322 From: George Cohn Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: Amazing Erector
Roy Inman wrote:
>
>
> Hi all;
>
> I just discovered an amazing collection of Erector models built by a Bill
> Klein. Maybe you all are aware, but just in case...
>
> He has custom designed some pretty phenomenal bridges for his Flyer layout
> from Erector parts. The other Erector creations are fun viewing as well.

I have a dvd called Gilbert American Flyer, ISBN 1 932291 33 4 that is
two hours long. One segment is of some Erector stuff built by Mike
Kolleseus. Amazing operating accessories all built from Erector sets!

Worth the $25 price just to see all the stuff.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 43323 From: Art Shifrin Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Doug Swanson & other hypo-ethical dealers
AF TCA members are NOT the majority of complainants against Doug
Swanson.

In my case it was for a replacement roof for the engine of my Lionel 752
(O-72) M10000.

Run all of your trains & warm up the house!

Best,
Shiffy


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43324 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: Sad situation
Dear Mr. Thompson,

I cannot let that one sit!

Do you SERIOUSLY mean to say that TCA members are allowed to have two
different codes of ethics? Do they ONLY have to behave, and be accountable
to their principles when in certain venues, and it's "open season on the
suckers" otherwise?

There are (at least) two entirely separate issues here:

One, you apparently have a BAD dealer, with a LONG pattern of fraud and
non-cooperation. It makes NO difference WHERE he does what he does, it is
WHAT he does that is the problem! If it can be proven that he has violated
TCA ethics, he should be warned and if necessary expelled, whatever your
stated process is. I do not believe anyone was suggesting that TCA take on
Ebay.

Two - Others, in great numbers, have found Ebay exceedingly NON-responsive,
ESPECIALLY when disciplining sellers is involved. I am glad that you have
had some success with them, and perhaps you have found the way to do it.
Some avenue needs to be opened to make them enforce their rules. They have
proven that they will NOT do so otherwise.

Dick Hosmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43325 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: AF parts Wanted
I am looking for talking station reproducers that are damaged and will
not work. I have found a method to replace the diaphragm.
Jerry HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 43326 From: keefer1 Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: Sad situation
Where do you come up with a long pattern of fraud, it
seems the vast majority of his customers are extremely
happy.

Keith
--- Richard Hosmer <rahosmer@...> wrote:

> Dear Mr. Thompson,
>
> I cannot let that one sit!
>
> Do you SERIOUSLY mean to say that TCA members are
> allowed to have two
> different codes of ethics? Do they ONLY have to
> behave, and be accountable
> to their principles when in certain venues, and it's
> "open season on the
> suckers" otherwise?
>
> There are (at least) two entirely separate issues
> here:
>
> One, you apparently have a BAD dealer, with a LONG
> pattern of fraud and
> non-cooperation. It makes NO difference WHERE he
> does what he does, it is
> WHAT he does that is the problem! If it can be
> proven that he has violated
> TCA ethics, he should be warned and if necessary
> expelled, whatever your
> stated process is. I do not believe anyone was
> suggesting that TCA take on
> Ebay.
>
> Two - Others, in great numbers, have found Ebay
> exceedingly NON-responsive,
> ESPECIALLY when disciplining sellers is involved. I
> am glad that you have
> had some success with them, and perhaps you have
> found the way to do it.
> Some avenue needs to be opened to make them enforce
> their rules. They have
> proven that they will NOT do so otherwise.
>
> Dick Hosmer
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43327 From: paflyrman Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: Sad Situation
I too beg to differ with Mr. Thompson. All TCA members are expected to
deal fairly and ethically in all their train transactions and other
interactions, be they at a TCA sponsored meet, outside show, on ebay,
or any other venue. I don't have the bylaws in front of me, but I've
understood that for over 30 years and would be very surprised to find
it not so. Now whether current office holders want to deal
with "problem" members is another story. I would certainly hope so.

paflyrman
Group: S-Trains Message: 43328 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: Sad Situation
Maybe a few TCA members could write to this guy & let him know that his
actions are at issue. See what his point of view is. Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43329 From: Phil K Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: Sad Situation
The only way an eBay bidder-buyer would know a seller is a TCA member
is that it would be mentioned in the description of the item. I have
seen this quite often, and most also list their TCA number.

That said, since the seller is using his/her TCA membership as an
implied form of credibility, I would hope that the TCA would police
this use of its brand -- to protect the integrity of the organization
and its 35,000 members.

But for the TCA to claim it has no authority over its members when they
are selling on eBay rather than public venues is a crock and a cop-out.
A saber is worthless if all one does is rattle it.

Thank you.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 43330 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: Sad situation
Keith,

Personal experience, AND the litany of recent complaints from forum
participants, many of whom cited his egregious behavior, on a repeated
basis, with a common thread. I was as much impressed by who was complaining
as what was said.

Dick Hosmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43331 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: Sad situation
Hi Don,

I believe TCA standards of selling items stands between two TCA members, whether at York, at a non TCA train meet, Ebay, or anyway two TCA members connect in a sale.

My Ebay situation, in his description, he stated that he was a TCA member, which he is, and that "according to TCA standards" the piece I purchased was grading at E+ with nothing broken or missing. This man is a seller of AF and he knows very the issue with the piece I purchased, a 21130 and the problems of the steps on the tender. He mislead me to bid according to what the price guides (TM) has for a guide in price, as that is how I bided. Not only did the tender had all the steps re-glued, but the light on the boiler, had the wired taped on it, as the boiler was half way out! Not mentioned in the description, as that was a minor issue. He blamed me for not "asking" if the steps where glued, as he deducted 8% off the check back to me, for his Ebay fee.

According to the TCA directory, Article 11, Section 6 is where it states you may file a complaint with another member involving transactions of trains. I does not state, the dealing have to be only at TCA sponsored event. I believe transactions between TCA members no matter where, apply to TCA standards.

Basically, Mr. Altonna, as I had his name spelled wrong in previous email, as he is the Chairman of Membership Committee, stated to me in his second letter, after my 2nd letter to him, about this transaction I had with someone on ebay, is that "it would evolve into the TCA being asked to judge the accuracy of any listing statement in any publication or media where two TCA members might be involved".

I fine his answer bizarre, as again, he stated in the first letter, that since I got my money, most of it, there is no issue against this person. Good grief. I guess then, you can rob a bank, get caught, give the money back and all is well again. I did not want the person "thrown out of TCA" only a warning letter and I could not even get that. So what has to have happen to get a complaint filed against someone?

Mike


----- Original Message -----
From: Donald Thompson
To: Michael and Linda Marmer ; Stumpy Stone
Cc: S Train e-group
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sad situation


Dear Mike and Stumpy,
Maybe I am missing something here, but if it happens on E-bay, the TCA has no business getting involved. And might get into legal issues if it did. E-bay is the one making the money on the auction and should police it own members, and as far as I can see the TCA has no issue. Now, if it happened at York, or any other show they sponsor, that would be a horse of a different color.
Best regards,
Don
PS We had a "E-bay issue" and once UPS went to the police, E-bay did everything it could to help. We get letters from the NJ state prosecutor with updates. Pretty interesting stuff. If you have an issue with someone, I suggest you file and police report and then go to E-bay. That is what E-bay told us.

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

The answer I got from Mr. Altoona, is that they don't have the time to go after every silly "little trivial" complaint. Something like that I will have to dig out my letters from him, when I filed the complaint I had with a ebayer, as I filed two letters with him, only to be rejected twice. I felt he was wrong, Mr. Altoona and did not pursue the issue any further, as I thought it was now a waste of my time.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Stumpy Stone
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:18 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Sad situation

It's really too bad that a major group like the TCA doesn't care
enough about it's membership to go after the many thieves out there.
It would be comparativly easy for the TCA to pull the plug on these
guys as members and put out a bulletin in each issue of the TCA
publication, or maybe an ongoing list of the perpetrators in every
issue.
Or is this sort of thing only a problem for TCA members who are
American Flyer collectors?
As for Ebay, there is no excuse for them not to go after the
crooks. I would think that they have some legal responcibility for
the transactions they oversee as an "auction service." It appears they
don't care either.
I know that Ebay is a lifeline for many collectors, but it seems it
would be a good idea for folks to drop it and let them know why!
MAYBE they'll get the message it's time to clean up their act!
Stumpy Stone in Appalachia

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43332 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: TCA rules
On a list for S trains, we are having a discussion about TCA members and rules in selling of trains fairly and honestly.

The question is, if a transaction of trains is conducted by two TCA members, one buying and one selling, are the members only bounded by TCA standards at TCA sponsored functions or do they apply no matter where the transaction occur. For example, Ebay, a non TCA show, etc.

If I have to ask the TCA via email, I will.

Thanks,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43333 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: TCA members and sales
This is a copy of the opening paragraph from March of 2004 on my complaint against a TCA member, as he stated he was a TCA member and that item was E+, according to TCA standards. I went into the fact that I believe that TCA members are to aby with TCA rules where ever they sell trains. Mr. Atonna did not denied this on his letters to me, so I believe that TCA rules are applied to any transaction, no matter where between members.



I will be more that happy to email TCA about this question.



Mike Marmer



Dear Mr. Atonna:



I would like to file a complaint against xxxxxx, of xxxxxx, xxxxx, PA xxxxxx for selling on Ebay, an American Flyer Hudson, A.C. Gilbert's number 21130 that was sold to me with four reproduction steps on the tender. Mr. xxxxx's TCA membership number is 93-xxxxxx. This tender was restored with these steps, due to the problem that the 21129 and 21130 American Flyer Hudson's had plastic tenders and the steps were easily broken off. In Mr. xxxxx's Ebay description of this engine he made no reference to the steps being fixed on the tender by gluing reproduction steps to the tender, a violation of TCA rules, when selling a restored train. This is mention several times in the TCA directory of information several times, about restored items. On page 5 of the spring edition, 2003, Vol. 49, No 2A, it states: that "Member's duties include being current in dues and reasonably prompt and fair in their dealings and are required to use the TCA Description Standards when offering trains for sale or trade. And item 3 on the same page states: "That any parts made as substitutes for original parts be identified as to manufacturer (when part is large enough to do so) and such replacement parts or any non-original parts be noted when offering item for resale." And on page 46 of the directory is the Standards Committee description of the TCA Description/Grading Standards. In item 3 of the grading it states: "That all restored or refinished items are to be stated. No grade above EXCELLENT can apply to a refinished piece. All restored or refinished items are to be marked as such. For this marking, the Association furnishes pressure-sensitive labels to members, free of charge, to affix to restored and refinished equipment." Page 48 goes into the rules for refinish/restored/fake tinplate again. Most of this is common knowledge among TCA members. I believe, as a member of TCA, all rules of the TCA grading standards, apply in the selling of trains, anywhere, whether at a TCA meet, a non-TCA meet, or on Ebay.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43334 From: George Cohn Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: Sad situation
keefer1 wrote:
>
>
> Where do you come up with a long pattern of fraud, it
> seems the vast majority of his customers are extremely
> happy.

When you look at the persons feedback, you will see a number of
"neutral" comments that also reflect badly. Things like "took a long
time to ship" or "poor communications". People leave neutral feedback
to avoid getting hit with negative feedback in return.

In my ongoing adventure, I noticed that for every one of his negative
feedbacks, he always gave the same response. "I'm not responsible for
servers not delivering mail".

As an IT person of some 32 years, if I allowed that situation to develop
in a company, I would be "seeking employment opportunities elsewhere" as
the expression goes. When you send him a half dozen e-mails to both his
personal address and through the eBay contact mechanism and he doesn't
respond, you know it is not a technical issue.

The truth of the matter is he chooses to ignore complaints then blasts
the buyer when the buyer complains.

In my case, he told eBay I hadn't paid. When I pointed out that it was
to exchange the wrong item, he raised the "Failure to communicate" issue
again.

And track the trend, many of the negatives have been within the last month.

Perhaps he has some personal or professional issue that is taking time
away from his sales but if he can't fulfill his obligations, perhaps he
should take a break from selling until the other issues are resolved.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 43335 From: Marty.Thorin Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Building an Painting MRRW's Steeplecabs
Ladies and Gentlemen:
Model Railroad Warehouse has brought out Class B and Class D
Baldwin-Westinghouse steeplecabs. These are often referred to as 50 ton
and 60 ton interurban freight locomotives. Most were 600 volts DC and
four are still in daily use, working in Mason City, Iowa on the Iowa
Traction. The models are $139.00 each and consists of a kit to build an
undecorated shell. No mechanism, no side frames, no headlights, no
pantographs or trolley poles, no air tanks, no hand rails: just a bare
shell in brass. You even get to fold the brass sheets to put it
together. Each sheet has been dipped four times into the enchant and
the detail is astounding. For example, the etched window frames have
the rubber gasket that actually holds the glass in place. (I have been
on the real ones in Iowa. I know this gasket is there.)

Roger Chrysler has written two articles about construction and painting
in HO Scale. His models are true masterpieces. These My models are the
HO model 'scaled up'.

For those who don't know of MRRWarehouse's steeplecabs, here is a link.
http://www.mrrwarehouse.com/. Click on the "Interurbans' link and
scroll down. A few years ago troop sleepers were offered ready-to-run
brass. MRRW was the source of shells. They still have a few in stock
as kits.
Thorin
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

How 2 Build A Model Railroad Warehouse B/W steeplecab
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2007 10:43 am ((PST))

I've posted a how to clinic at the following site
http://2guyz.info/Forums/viewtopic/t=3010.html
Showing how to build a MRRWarehouse Baldwin Westinghouse "B" class
steeplecab.

There's another article on painting and lettering a "B" at
http://2guyz.info/Forums/viewtopic/t=3045.html

Roger Chrysler



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43336 From: muniman18 Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: SAD SITUATION
I've got a great idea how to handle this. Since TCA and
eBAY are not going to do anything about it lets harken back to
mid evil times. Lets all get together light up the torches storm
the castle and burn the culprit at the stake.Nah I"m
kidding....... your'e all singing to the chior..No matter what
you do or say nothing is going to change. Caveat Emptor
Group: S-Trains Message: 43337 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: TCA Standards
Hello,

I have a quick question for you.

On a S scale discussion group. we are discussing whether the TCA standards for buying and selling of train items between two TCA members apply when the transaction occurs at a non TCA event or publication.

For example, a transaction happens on Ebay, a Greenberg (now called by a new name) Show, any non TCA train show, etc.

I would think that the standards apply no matter where the transaction occur, but that the two people involved are TCA members. Of course, if one is not a TCA member, then the situation is out of TCA ruling.

Thank you,

Mike Marmer
92-35192

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43338 From: Chris Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Sad situation
The recent posts about theft on e-Bay, while truly unfortunate, are
not representative of e-Bay or any particular market. The egregious
and reprehensible acts of some individuals is simply a fact of life.
When someone steals from you, you must take truly legal steps. Report
him to the police, file official charges, make a police report, and
then present it to e-Bay and TCA and whomever may have an interest and
who might be empowered to help you.

I have had my fair share of lousy deals, but, by and large, I have
done well. Most people have been wonderful to trade with and e-Bay is
a great idea. Bums are everywhere and they will be here as well.
Sometimes, it's enough to tell your friends to avoid one of these
guys. Thanks for the heads-up. I won't be dealing with Traditional
Trains any time soon.

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 43339 From: Chris Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Trains in movie sountrack
Wow Mark, that was amazing! The quality of the picture was startling
too. Thanx for that.
Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 43340 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] TCA rules
This is from a former past TCA President and a good email friend.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: christie1wilson@...
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:15 PM
Subject: [toytrains] TCA rules


To All about TCA rules -

If a transaction (a sale of trains or train related materials between TCA members using ANY venue) takes place, ALL TCA Rules and Regulations apply, including TCA descriptions as they apply to condition. Please note, TCA Conditions such as C-10, C-9 etc. apply ONLY to the Cosmetic appearance of the piece. This is extremely important, as many complaints I get from members say that the seller advertised the piece as "such and such" BUT it won't run. Sorry, but there is nothing we can do about that. The condition ratings apply ONLY to the piece's cosmetic appearance.

Regards,
Gordon Wilson,
Membership Committee Chair




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43341 From: louis glumac Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: Sad situation
before we hang this guy,we should hear his side of the story,as a tca member and a ebay buyer and seller, i know something's buyers can complain before they ever contact you. I was personality throw off a of gauge posting web site because they though I was using a fake name,just happened the scammer was from the same town as me, just wanted to ad my 2 cents, thanks Lou
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From: George Cohn
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sad situation


keefer1 wrote:
>
>
> Where do you come up with a long pattern of fraud, it
> seems the vast majority of his customers are extremely
> happy.

When you look at the persons feedback, you will see a number of
"neutral" comments that also reflect badly. Things like "took a long
time to ship" or "poor communications". People leave neutral feedback
to avoid getting hit with negative feedback in return.

In my ongoing adventure, I noticed that for every one of his negative
feedbacks, he always gave the same response. "I'm not responsible for
servers not delivering mail".

As an IT person of some 32 years, if I allowed that situation to develop
in a company, I would be "seeking employment opportunities elsewhere" as
the expression goes. When you send him a half dozen e-mails to both his
personal address and through the eBay contact mechanism and he doesn't
respond, you know it is not a technical issue.

The truth of the matter is he chooses to ignore complaints then blasts
the buyer when the buyer complains.

In my case, he told eBay I hadn't paid. When I pointed out that it was
to exchange the wrong item, he raised the "Failure to communicate" issue
again.

And track the trend, many of the negatives have been within the last month.

Perhaps he has some personal or professional issue that is taking time
away from his sales but if he can't fulfill his obligations, perhaps he
should take a break from selling until the other issues are resolved.

George Cohn




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43342 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: TCA Standards
Mike,
If the seller displays a TCA # in an auction it implies that he is
above board & sells by TCA standards . Even if the buyer is not a TCA
member. Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43343 From: mikejoan45@comcast.net Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Still needs info on Flyer set (second request)
Hi Everyone,
I am still trying to find out more about an American Flyer set I have.
It is marked on the set box #20134..
In the " The almost complete guide to American Flyer S gauge sets" page 60 .
There is a reference that this set name is.. Richie Premium #4.. I am not familar
with Richie Premium, is it a wholesale store? or an outlet for Gilbert trains in
the 50's.. Thank you for any help with this
Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43344 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: TCA Standards
Re: [S-Trains] TCA StandardsRoy,

Welcome to the TCA, but in the directory, are the articles of the TCA that states all of this.

I agree, the application could be a bit stronger in stating what is expected of a member in the TCA.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Roy Inman
To: Michael and Linda Marmer ; membership@...
Cc: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TCA Standards


The TCA application I just filled out and sent in says only that I agree to abide by the terms and conditions therein, or words to that effect. I saw no mention of a time or place of transaction making any difference. My presumption was that if one is a TCA member one agrees with its principles. If one cannot agree with the principles, then don't join.

Sort of reminds me of some folks who are married or not, depending upon circumstances...And please, please understand I am making no inferences here, just trying to make a point.

Roy Inman


From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:42:57 -0500
To: membership@...
Cc: Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] TCA Standards




Hello,

I have a quick question for you.

On a S scale discussion group. we are discussing whether the TCA standards for buying and selling of train items between two TCA members apply when the transaction occurs at a non TCA event or publication.

For example, a transaction happens on Ebay, a Greenberg (now called by a new name) Show, any non TCA train show, etc.

I would think that the standards apply no matter where the transaction occur, but that the two people involved are TCA members. Of course, if one is not a TCA member, then the situation is out of TCA ruling.

Thank you,

Mike Marmer
92-35192

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43345 From: Phil K Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: TCA rules
So let me see if I read this right, Mike.

Another interpretation of this rule can be said thusly: A TCA member is
bound by the rules to be honest and fair when dealing with other TCA
members -- (this now is my part) but is not required to do so when
dealing with a non-TCA member?

WOW.

I'd think TCA members -- since they do represent the TCA -- should be
bound to do so in ALL dealings to protect the integrity of the TCA.

Phil K

>"If a transaction (a sale of trains or train related materials between
TCA members using ANY venue) takes place, ALL TCA Rules and Regulations
apply, including TCA descriptions as they apply to condition."<
Group: S-Trains Message: 43346 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: TCA Standards
I agree with Mike, standards apply anywhere where two TCA members are
consummating a train deal.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43347 From: Roy Inman Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: TCA Standards
The TCA application I just filled out and sent in says only that I agree to
abide by the terms and conditions therein, or words to that effect. I saw no
mention of a time or place of transaction making any difference. My
presumption was that if one is a TCA member one agrees with its principles.
If one cannot agree with the principles, then don't join.

Sort of reminds me of some folks who are married or not, depending upon
circumstances...And please, please understand I am making no inferences
here, just trying to make a point.

Roy Inman

From: Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:42:57 -0500
To: membership@...
Cc: Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] TCA Standards


Hello,

I have a quick question for you.

On a S scale discussion group. we are discussing whether the TCA standards
for buying and selling of train items between two TCA members apply when the
transaction occurs at a non TCA event or publication.

For example, a transaction happens on Ebay, a Greenberg (now called by a new
name) Show, any non TCA train show, etc.

I would think that the standards apply no matter where the transaction
occur, but that the two people involved are TCA members. Of course, if one
is not a TCA member, then the situation is out of TCA ruling.

Thank you,

Mike Marmer
92-35192

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43348 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: TCA Standards
I agree with myself, if a TCA member sells to a non-member he should abide
by the rules as if selling to a member.
If a Boy Scout only treated other Boy Scouts with respect. Would he still
really up hold the standards of his membership? Mike (in Ore)


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43349 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: TCA rules
In a message dated 2/8/2007 7:24:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
waldootten@... writes:


WOW.

I'd think TCA members -- since they do represent the TCA -- should be
bound to do so in ALL dealings to protect the integrity of the TCA.



And THAT is a large part of the reason for TWO signatures on the
application. TCA, like any other group is short-handed in the volunteer dept, even tho
membership hovers around 30,000. The large majority of members belong to go
to YORK twice a year, and freely admit it. TCA's dedicated staff and FEW
volunteers do an outstanding job at what they do, they don't have enough people
to do it.
IF your community is served by a volunteer fire dept, go take their
pictures, because you ain't gonna see that much longer either.
IF you think this guy wronged you, contact the proper authorities in his
community. Some time ago I had an issue with the people in the great northwest
who offer to "renew" your subscription to whatever publication and then try
to switch your subscription to something they ARE able to sell. A note
explaining WHEN I expected a refund before contacting the appropriate State's
Attorney General brought a hasty refund. NO explanantion, just a check. IF you
get no response, follow thru, contact the A G.

Jim " E & M volunteer at NTTM" Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43350 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: TCA Standards
Having laws, rules, standards, pledges, etc does nothing to protect
anyone from the bad actors among us. My Dad once told me a little
something that I will always remember: "Laws are made to keep the
honest man honest". Think about it.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 43351 From: Jenni Sipla Date: 2/8/2007
Subject: Re: Amazing Erector
george
Don't forget Mike Kolleseus layout was all american flyer right down to the 697 track trips controling the accessories. I love that dvd. Talk about die hards the guys and their layouts on that DVD did a great job
Bret .


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Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43352 From: Bob Hannon Date: 2/9/2007
Subject: Re: Sad situation
George:

You are absolutely right! They should be fired!

Your input:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In my ongoing adventure, I noticed that for every one of his negative
feedbacks, he always gave the same response. "I'm not responsible for
servers not delivering mail". As an IT person of some 32 years, if I allowed
that situation to develop in a company, I would be "seeking employment
opportunities elsewhere" as the expression goes. When you send him a half
dozen e-mails to both his personal address and through the eBay contact
mechanism and he doesn't respond, you know it is not a technical issue.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

My Input:

Just before Christmas, I tried placing a parts order to a dealer whose e-mail
provider is Comcast. The e-mail was rejected. I contacted my ISP and they told me
that Comcast had recently implemented a SPAM filtering system that may do
a pull on the originator's domain name. If that "pull" was done on my
domain name (I send all e-mail from my website) instead of the mail
server domain name, it would result in an address that would be found
to reside in dynamic IP space. COMCAST had chosen to flag these
as SPAM.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Comcast's Input:

" ... In keeping with industry standards and best practices, any e-mail sent from an
IP address that resolves to a hostname determined to be in Dynamic IP space
will be rejected."

(RED FLAG: Whenever a software group starts quoting "industry standards"
and "best practices" as a reason for an anomaly, it means that whatever
they did doesn't work. In the trade, that's called BS ... which doesn't stand
for Bachelor of Science).

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Guess who has a COMCAST address?

That's right! Traditional Hobbies. So, if your e-mail domain name met
COMCAST's rejection criteria, there's a very good chance your e-mail
was never received. But it certainly would result in a perception of that
person being non-communicative.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
As for the rest of this thread, I just don't know. I don't remember if I've ever
purchased anything from traditional hobbies. But I do know that the
spammers and bulk e-mailers are aggravating everyone, and may be forcing
providers to take increasingly more draconian measures.

Bob Hannon










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Group: S-Trains Message: 43353 From: Chris Date: 2/9/2007
Subject: Another e-Bay story
I just ordered some parts from Tom Seccia, Triple 'S' Supplies. You
guys probably know him. This is the letter I just sent to him.

Item # 330083104350
Item Title American Flyer P-10153 Brass Eyelets - 12 Pcs.
Qty. 1
Price US $2.50
Flat Rate Shipping US $5.00

Tom:
I received the eyelets in good order and I will be leaving positive
feedback for you. Please take the following criticism in the
constructive way it is intended and understand my side of it.
E-Bay is currently plagued by sellers asking for excessive shipping
charges to the point that it has become the single biggest issue
facing sales.

For $4.05, I can ship a flyer box car to Milwaukee, and I have. The
car was $40. $44.05 is not such a big deal.

I cannot purchase a tiny item for $2.50 and then pay twice that for
shipping and "handling". I realize that you combine items for lower
shipping. Thank you for that, but I did not want or need anything
else right now. You told me that these metal parts could be damaged
being mailed in an envelope, because of the automated cancelling
process, yet, you mailed them in an envelope anyway. These items
could have been posted in a small 4x6 manila with a cardstock insert
and two stamps. A $4.05 Flat Rate Envelope plus another $.95 in
fees for putting the parts into the envelope was unnecessary, even
if you did state the charges in advance. In fact, your advertising
of the rate is why I am not getting all bent out of shape here.
Really, I'm not. I understand this is a business for you.

I just want you to understand that I cannot buy parts this way.
Paying triple is simply not acceptable. That you were not willing
to cut me some slack when I asked you to was not the friendliest
response either. I think you need to be aware of that.

Thanx,
Chris Zizzo

__________________________________________________________________
I may buy from Seccia at York, but I just learned from experience
that it does not pay to buy from him through e-Bay. I don't think
he's a crook, I just think this is no venue for little cheap parts.

CZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 43354 From: George Cohn Date: 2/9/2007
Subject: Re: Sad situation
Bob Hannon wrote:
>
>
> Comcast's Input:
>
> " ... In keeping with industry standards and best practices, any e-mail
> sent from an
> IP address that resolves to a hostname determined to be in Dynamic IP space
> will be rejected."

Nope, my ISP has a real office with a real network and lots of servers.
They have an MX record for their mail server that resolves to their
proper IP address.

Yes, I know about Comcast. As an aside, I admin a list for folks who
collect Jaguar sports cars and we generate many hundreds of messages a
day. Our servers, which are located in Norway, are properly configured
and managed by some of the most knowledgeable email guys in the world.
We've had to deal with a multitude of anti-spam measures from both
Comcast and AOL.

As for me, my profession is IT network support. So if I get a user that
complains that he doesn't get mail, I know where to look and who to ask.
;-)

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 43355 From: Phil K Date: 2/9/2007
Subject: He seems to be having NO problems right now
I do not know where parts of the message (below) to which I'm
replying originated -- I cannot find it anywhere on this forum (maybe
I missed it).

But consider this: Maybe Comcast IS somehow blocking some emails as
spam -- but "Traditional Hobbies" would and obviously still
receives all emails that come to him as messages through eBay,
which is the proper procedure for corresponding. eBay says it is not
responsible for recognizing anything contained in private (away-from
eBay) emails between buyers and sellers.

Based on what's been said here so far, I don't think we need to offer
any excuses on behalf of Traditional Hobbies. His email connections
to and from eBay must be working -- he's done almost 8,000
transactions and is still selling -- right now he has 114 items
listed.

I also do not see any major or lengthy breaks in his selling, so he's
obviously functioning. And even though he may have had a problem
receiving some emails, how does that account for so many people
claiming he's been evasive when reached by telephone?

Phil K


>
> Comcast's Input:
>
> " ... In keeping with industry standards and best practices, any e-
mail sent from an
> IP address that resolves to a hostname determined to be in Dynamic
IP space
> will be rejected."
>
> (RED FLAG: Whenever a software group starts quoting "industry
standards"
> and "best practices" as a reason for an anomaly, it means that
whatever
> they did doesn't work. In the trade, that's called BS ... which
doesn't stand
> for Bachelor of Science).
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------
>
> Guess who has a COMCAST address?
>
> That's right! Traditional Hobbies. So, if your e-mail domain
name met
> COMCAST's rejection criteria, there's a very good chance your e-mail
> was never received. But it certainly would result in a perception
of that
> person being non-communicative.
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43356 From: Phil K Date: 2/9/2007
Subject: Re: Another e-Bay story
Chris, those teenie-weenie eyelets come in at about 62 cents each,
delivered.

What if you really only needed one?

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 43357 From: Chris Date: 2/9/2007
Subject: The other side of the story
I have seen so many posts on this Traditional Hobbies guy, I decided
to go to one of his auctions (one on which he got negative feedback)
and find his auction terms. Here they are:

New Old Stock Lionel 221 steamer draw bar that has never been
mounted on a steam engine and is an original Lionel spare part. It
is selling with NO RESERVE!! and $1 to ship.
***********************ATTENTION***READ THIS BEFORE
BIDDING*******************************
********************TRADITIONAL HOBBIES TERMS to BID on MY
ITEMS*********************** I will NOT COMPROMISE my POSTION on
EBAY for ANY REASON!!! and will offer 100% Satisfaction with
SHIPPING paid BOTH WAYS!!!! If for ANY reason you are NOT willing to
use EMAIL or the PHONE to get a hold of ME, DO NOT BID on my
items!!!!!!! I AM TIRED of NEGATIVE FEED back for POOR Communication
when I have my email address and PHONE number in ALL my items!!!!
630-455-4076 From 8pm till 1am CST Illinois Time IF you are not
going to HONOR my TERMS!! DO NOT BID!! AOL users must be able to
accept email from Comcast servers. I am not responsible for
undeliverable email due to AOL. We ONLY accept checks and money
orders. (No PayPal. No eBay Payments.) Money order payments are
shipped the next day. Check payments are shipped after 7 to 10 days
to clear. Payments must be received within 10 days after close of
sale. If the item is not paid for within 10 days: the item will be
relisted, appropriate feedback will be given, and the eBay listing
fees will be reclaimed. Buyer needs to ask for and receive email
confirmation for any other arrangement. Save on shipping with
multiple winning auctions. We will recalculate our already low
shipping charges when you purchase multiple items that can be
shipped together. Please take the time to send correspondence to the
correct address! The email address for traditionalhobbies is
tradhoby@... We want to keep in touch with our customers. We
will email all winning bidders within 24 hours after the auction has
closed. If you have not received an email, please email us
immediately at tradhoby@.... If repeated email attempts are
undeliverable, or if you do not get a prompt reply, please call us
at (630) 455-4076 for service. We are proud of the fact that our
only negative feedback has been due to communication and server
problems outside of our control. With 34 years in business and
thousands and thousands of items sold we know our customers come
first. As a collector, please note we do not break up train sets to
sell them individually just to make a quick profit. We keep the
integrity of the sets intact. This includes engines with tenders or
breaking down units for parts. Thank You Doug Swanson
____________________________________________________________________

One dollar shipping? Acknowledges problems between aol and comcast
mail? Gives phone number? Gives outside e-mail address as well as
e-bay's mail links? Gives very specific rules for dealing with him?

There are two sides to every story, aren't there?

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 43358 From: George Cohn Date: 2/9/2007
Subject: Re: He seems to be having NO problems right now
Phil K wrote:

>
> Based on what's been said here so far, I don't think we need to offer
> any excuses on behalf of Traditional Hobbies. His email connections
> to and from eBay must be working -- he's done almost 8,000
> transactions and is still selling -- right now he has 114 items
> listed.
>

I give up. eBay is more interested in protecting their sellers than
providing dispute resolution.

Judge for yourself:

http://www.acgilbert.net/trad.htm

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 43359 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 2/9/2007
Subject: 43338 Sad Situation
Everyone needs to look at this message. It prety much explans why so
many are having prolems with e-mails to sellers. This seller uses
Comcast , and it thinks most e-mail on AOL is spam and does not
forward messages. I don't use aol anyway . I am on a pacage deal with
Att Yahoo, and don't have the Aol prolems. I learned from other people
about the problems created by Aol.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43360 From: George Cohn Date: 2/9/2007
Subject: Re: The other side of the story
Chris wrote:

>
> One dollar shipping? Acknowledges problems between aol and comcast
> mail? Gives phone number? Gives outside e-mail address as well as
> e-bay's mail links? Gives very specific rules for dealing with him?
>
> There are two sides to every story, aren't there?
>

Not sure if your message was intended to defend him or point out the faults.

All I can say is I've been an eBay member since 1998 with 100% feedback.

I have ran into sellers before who made mistakes and sent the wrong
item. Usually a quick e-mail and they are all over themselves trying to
fix the problem. I've even had them send me the money to ship the item
to the proper buyer.

His latest tact is to file a non-paying bidder complaint. If you read
the chronological messages in the link I posted, I pointed out that it
was a "shipped wrong item" problem.

He acknowledged that and then started complaining about communications
after I used the eBay required method to contact him to get the item
exchanged.

If he goes through with the non-paying bidder complaint, I will protest
it and even send them a copy of the money order if necessary.

I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt as I've sold a bunch of
items and screwed up once or twice but I always made good on it at my
expense. It's just good business to allow for some error and even some
unreasonable customer complaints.

I just don't understand his "my way or no way" attitude. eBay has said
and I quote:

"Dear gwesco,
The dispute involving American Flyer Stock Yard 2 Button Controller (No
Chips (#140073941079) has been closed by mutual agreement.

You are released from any obligations to traditionalhobbies regarding
this item.

Thank you,
eBay"

Does this mean I don't have to send him back the incorrect item? I
don't feel that is fair and will do so at my expense.

Will he leave me negative feedback? Probably, and I will let anyone
know exactly what transpired if he does. Heck, it was only $24 but
there is no reason for him to behave this way.

Am I being unreasonable?

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 43361 From: Chris Date: 2/9/2007
Subject: Nathan is more than a hot dog
For those of you who have broken horns on your PA's, you might
consider this item being offered on e-Bay: Item number: 270086103843
Not a digital reproduction.

CZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 43362 From: Chris Date: 2/9/2007
Subject: Nathan is more than a hot dog
Interesting trivia about the Nathan Airchime. It was invented by Bob
Swanson. How often do you see the name Swanson here on the list?
CZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 43363 From: Bill Lane Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Lanes Trains & PRSLHS Website updates
Hi All,

I have just moved my Lanes Trains http://www.lanestrains.com website to a
much larger home with a lot more internet space. I have added a few pages,
deleted some other pages, and tried to make it more dial up friendly. I have
a lot more to do in that direction, but I know now how to make photo pop
ups, so that will be an ongoing effort. I will also be adding O Scale and HO
Scale pages of models I have painted for others. Check back in a few days
for them please.

I have also added more pages to the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines
Historical Society website. http://www.prslhs.com I will add more photos
soon there as well. Please reply if you are interested in joining the
PRSLHS. It is free for the foreseeable future.

Finally, I would like some feedback please on your experience looking at my
websites if you are on dial up. I have been told that previously it was not
possible to see anything, especially on Lanes Trains. I am hoping it is at
least a little better now.

Please give both of my websites a look

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26
http://www.pennsysmodels.com

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRphotos.xls

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

See www.prslhs.com
Preserving the memory of the PRSL

See my Altoona train videos here http://www.myspace.com/billlane



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43364 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Re: TCA Standards
In a message dated 2/9/2007 12:34:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bull_gator_1@... writes:

Having laws, rules, standards, pledges, etc does nothing to protect
anyone from the bad actors among us. My Dad once told me a little
something that I will always remember: "Laws are made to keep the
honest man honest".


HAVE to agree with Bull, check out our OWN Congress, and many State
legislators.


They MAKE the rules they then BREAK.

Jim "hoping for a change in PA" Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43365 From: ghslaw31 Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: ebay
I speaking for myself and don't pretend to speak for others, but I am
sick to death of the ebay discussions.
This is supposed to be an S scale group not an ebay group.
If you don't like ebay don't shop ebay, caveat emptor.
Can we please confine ourselves to the purpose of this group?
Gerry Siegel
Mountville Pa
Group: S-Trains Message: 43366 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Sad Situation
This whole AOL-Comcast situation is interesting to me, because I believe AOL is doing something similar to me.
Any email I send to an AOL customer (I am not with AOL) bounces IF, anywhere within that email, my e-mail address or my website URL are present.
If I make sure to remove both of those, it will go through OK.
That's why I had to permanently modify my email "signature", below, to eliminate both of those from it.

And if I REPLY to an email from an AOL customer, I have to remove the tag-line that automatically appears on the quoted text, "from doug@...".
If I forget to do so.............BOUNCE !
Now that I have typed that here, THIS email would bounce, if S-Trains was with AOL.

Moreover, the "BOUNCE" message is misleading to the originator of the e-mail, because it states that the intended AOL recipient "does not exist".
As an example, every e-mail I send to Steve at SnS (SnS is with AOL) will bounce if I forget to remove either item. Here's the return-message, cut-and-pasted exactly:
<<<<<

The e-mail address could not be found. Perhaps the recipient moved to a different e-mail organization, or there was a mistake in the address. Check the address and try again.>>>

That is an outright misleading an incorrect statement from AOL, covering up some other excuse.

I contacted AOL, but got nowhere.....they deny they do any such thing......but I KNOW it's on their end, because it only happens with mail to AOL customers.
I ASSUME that if person A sent person B an e-mail, suggesting that they contact me, or check out my website, it would bounce and they would have no idea why!

And there doesn't seem to be ANYTHING one can do about it.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST)
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43367 From: David Engle Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Re: Sad Situation
In the past, I have seen a similar conflict between AOL and Time-Warner; otherwise known as RoadRunner. I was told at the time that part of the problem was in who as going to carry the other's ads. DJE


----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Peck
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 8:13 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Sad Situation


This whole AOL-Comcast situation is interesting to me, because I believe AOL is doing something similar to me.
Any email I send to an AOL customer (I am not with AOL) bounces IF, anywhere within that email, my e-mail address or my website URL are present.
If I make sure to remove both of those, it will go through OK.
That's why I had to permanently modify my email "signature", below, to eliminate both of those from it.

And if I REPLY to an email from an AOL customer, I have to remove the tag-line that automatically appears on the quoted text, "from doug@...".
If I forget to do so.............BOUNCE !
Now that I have typed that here, THIS email would bounce, if S-Trains was with AOL.

Moreover, the "BOUNCE" message is misleading to the originator of the e-mail, because it states that the intended AOL recipient "does not exist".
As an example, every e-mail I send to Steve at SnS (SnS is with AOL) will bounce if I forget to remove either item. Here's the return-message, cut-and-pasted exactly:
<<<<<

The e-mail address could not be found. Perhaps the recipient moved to a different e-mail organization, or there was a mistake in the address. Check the address and try again.>>>

That is an outright misleading an incorrect statement from AOL, covering up some other excuse.

I contacted AOL, but got nowhere.....they deny they do any such thing......but I KNOW it's on their end, because it only happens with mail to AOL customers.
I ASSUME that if person A sent person B an e-mail, suggesting that they contact me, or check out my website, it would bounce and they would have no idea why!

And there doesn't seem to be ANYTHING one can do about it.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST)
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43368 From: DPDB@AOL.com Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Re: ebay
Thank you Jerry AS far as EBAY goes Let the buyer beware


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43369 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: AOL
Me I am on DSL BELLSOUTH....... But you ever notice... Email names like BUBBA HOG, BILLY JOE BOB, JIMMYLONGD*** are always on AOL.COM !!!!!!!! Maybe thats why other companies shun them ????? Now to the serious part..... I have listed 33 items on ebay with more coming, lots of "S" stuff....... chief-pile-it Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43370 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Re: ebay
I don't speak for other, but I skim the ebay related messages as
there is often useful information to make me aware of potential high
risk sellers.


I have a delete key and if the skim doesn't glean anything useful to
me I press it.


So I guess now at this stage it is one for and one against.

We are now both rendered irrelevant. :-)


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ghslaw31" <cgsiegel@...> wrote:
>
> I speaking for myself and don't pretend to speak for others, but I
am
> sick to death of the ebay discussions.
> This is supposed to be an S scale group not an ebay group.
> If you don't like ebay don't shop ebay, caveat emptor.
> Can we please confine ourselves to the purpose of this group?
> Gerry Siegel
> Mountville Pa
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43371 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Re: ebay
----- Original Message -----
From: ghslaw31 [Gerry Siegel]

. . . . . I am sick to death of the ebay discussions. This is supposed to
be an S scale group . . . . . . . .
> > > > > >
Gerry
This is not the S Scale group, it is the "S Trains" group, which means
buying, selling, preserving, running American Flyer trains. The buying and
selling part is very important to this group.
Tom Hawley
Group: S-Trains Message: 43372 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Re: He seems to be having NO problems right now
Wrong..... ebays policy is S**** the BUYERS...... PROTECT AND FILL EBAYS POCKETS...... !!!!!!! Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: George Cohn
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] He seems to be having NO problems right now


Phil K wrote:

>
> Based on what's been said here so far, I don't think we need to offer
> any excuses on behalf of Traditional Hobbies. His email connections
> to and from eBay must be working -- he's done almost 8,000
> transactions and is still selling -- right now he has 114 items
> listed.
>

I give up. eBay is more interested in protecting their sellers than
providing dispute resolution.

Judge for yourself:

http://www.acgilbert.net/trad.htm

George Cohn





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43373 From: charlie and edith Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Electrical Question
Greetings from snowbound West Michigan. A few weeks back, the Group helped me convert my flickering tea candle from battery power to transformer power. I finished the pool for the "fountain" and powered it up ... after a few "flickers" the fountain went dark. Searching stores, turned up another "fountain". This one runs on a 3 volt "button battery". By chance, I thought I would check the output of the 3.7 volt transformer. Using my limited meter skills and the 3 volt battery as a guide, the 3.7 had an output of 7.2V, which explains the darkness as it went well beyond the anticipated 4.5 volts needed? I then checked the 3 volt backup and it registered 4.7V, which explains why the fountain worked on the bench? I would really like to wire this into the 3.7V transformer as it runs my blinking stoplight, and it is very easy to shut down the trainboard and forget to turn off the "fountain" and run out of battery. Is there a way to reduce the output voltage of either of these transformers to get down to the 3 volt range of the battery? Enough of trains .... its back out to "play" in the snow. Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43374 From: Jerry Matsick Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: S-Helper S track
I have a number of sections of S Helper track in their original boxes,
if you are interested conract me offline, 99% like new and 1/2 the
price of MSRP.

Thank you
Jerry Matsick - contact offline at: Mtoytrain@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43375 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Re: ebay
As this issue has come up before. There was an agreement(Rule) to always
include E-Bay in the subject line so those that want no part of E-Bay or reading
about it could use the delete key that most, if not all have.
Also after reading a post or two you should know what the subject is. Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43376 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Chief-Pile-It eBay Listings
Bob Conner wrote: "Now to the serious part..... I have listed 33
items on ebay with more coming, lots of "S" stuff....... chief-pile-it
Bob"

I've seen several of your eBay auctions and notice that you are still
using your Corvette as a display bench. Are you using all your eBay
proceeds to buy a new paint job for the Vette?

roflmao - BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 43377 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Re: Chief-Pile-It eBay Listings
Bull.... No I am raising funds for another one ????? I almost got a 2006 the other day...... But I really don't need 2..... I only have a 1 car garage....Like AF SETS.... putting up a circus set tonight, a Frontiersman set...... BIN only 2200...... and another press kit..... I still keep the finish well preserved..... got 23000 miles on it..... Now I need a bumper sticker.... DON"T LAUGH..... ITS PAID FOR.... Thinking about driving it to Denver in June for the TCA Convention..... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Bull_Gator_1
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 5:00 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Chief-Pile-It eBay Listings


Bob Conner wrote: "Now to the serious part..... I have listed 33
items on ebay with more coming, lots of "S" stuff....... chief-pile-it
Bob"

I've seen several of your eBay auctions and notice that you are still
using your Corvette as a display bench. Are you using all your eBay
proceeds to buy a new paint job for the Vette?

roflmao - BG1





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43378 From: John Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: EBAY EBAY EBAY
I thought this was the S-Trains forum??? I feel if you want to
complain about EBAY go start an EBAY COMPLAINT forum and take your
complaints there.

If you don't like EBAY or the people that sell there then DON"T use it

Sorry ... I'm tired of all the EBAY complaints and it IS off topic

John
Group: S-Trains Message: 43379 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Re: Chief-Pile-It eBay Listings
Doesn't the color go all the way thru plastic??

Jim "drivin' white Jimmies" Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43380 From: George Cohn Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Re: Chief-Pile-It eBay Listings
Bull_Gator_1 wrote:

> I've seen several of your eBay auctions and notice that you are still
> using your Corvette as a display bench. Are you using all your eBay
> proceeds to buy a new paint job for the Vette?
>
> roflmao - BG1
>

LOL. If you ever see any pictures of stuff from me on a dark red
background, that's the bonnet (hood) of my '70 XK-E. If it's light
blue, that's my '74 Datsun 260Z.

Thought I was the only one that took pictures of trains and stuff on the
hoods of cars.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 43381 From: Chris Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: ebay
Well Mike, when viewing the thread associated with your post
labelled "ebay" in the subject line, it seems the most recent previous
post also labelled "ebay" was written by Tom Jarcho. I guess we
haven't been sticking to that rule very much, have we?

CZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 43382 From: Chris Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Electrical Question
Charlie:
Small transformers are notorious for delivering off the mark
voltages. The circuits they run usually are engineered to accept a
range of voltages for operation and where critical, they include a
voltage regulator circuit. If you are not proficient at wiring and
using circuit components, I cannot suggest building a regulator or
adding resistance. Perhaps a rechargeable battery that is always
connected to the charger may solve your problem. The battery will act
as the regulator and temper the output voltage. Finding the hardware
will be your job. Sorry, I don't have any more at this time.

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 43383 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Re: EBAY EBAY EBAY
I think we all have our opinions about different things related to trains and we should not be the judge of what is acceptable or not on a list.

Ebay is part of the buying and selling of S gauge items in today's world, as I appreciate learning about a item being listed, whether good or bad, learning about a buying experience from someone good or bad.

There have been things on this list, that I am not interested in, but I don't think it is right for me to be the judge that the subject I did not like should be banned, as I realize that others are interested in a subject I am not.

No, I think Ebay discussions for whatever reason should be allowed, as you have the delete key, should you not be interested in that or anything else, as I use the word "you" as to anyone on the list.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: John
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 8:36 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] EBAY EBAY EBAY


I thought this was the S-Trains forum??? I feel if you want to
complain about EBAY go start an EBAY COMPLAINT forum and take your
complaints there.

If you don't like EBAY or the people that sell there then DON"T use it

Sorry ... I'm tired of all the EBAY complaints and it IS off topic

John





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43384 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 2/10/2007
Subject: Re: EBAY EBAY EBAY
Does this mean that comments about buying or selling at York and other
venues are off topic? Seriously this information being discussed may
be a real service to members new to buyibng on eBay - or for that
matter to people who just do not happen to have bought from problem
sellers. Alistair

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John" <beebear@...> wrote:
>
> I thought this was the S-Trains forum??? I feel if you want to
> complain about EBAY go start an EBAY COMPLAINT forum and take your
> complaints there.
>
> If you don't like EBAY or the people that sell there then DON"T use
it
>
> Sorry ... I'm tired of all the EBAY complaints and it IS off topic
>
> John
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43385 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: NH EP-5 48008 and Ebay
Was just browsing through looking at items on ebay. I noticed a
couple of Flyonel EP-5's listed by one seller.


Here is the question:


A couple of buyers asked "was this made in the USA?"

So my question is this: Were there EP-5's made by Lionel that were
not, and some that were? This would have been an 1991 issue from
Lionel

Is there some sort of difference in value?

Perhaps these were informed buyers asking these questions, and
perhaps they were not…


Any one on the list know any of the answers to the above?

MK
Group: S-Trains Message: 43386 From: Dennis Back Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: Re: Fountain pump (was Electrical Question)
> .... Searching stores, turned up another
> "fountain". This one runs on a 3 volt "button
> battery".

Hi Charlie,

I have a small waterfall on my layout, and was using a
12 volt motor/pump I got from a train store MANY YEARS
ago. It always leaked, and always caused me fits.

Could you please tell me what you are using for your
fountain now? If you have an internet link for it,
that would be great.

Thanks,
Dennis
Miami, FL (80 degrees- yes.... rubbing it in) :-)





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43387 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: (no subject)
.... DON"T LAUGH..... ITS PAID FOR.... Thinking about driving it to
Denver in June for the TCA Convention..... Bob

Bob: If coming to Denver Contact Me. Most AF layouts have been cut
from the layout tours. Most layouts, like mine will have only room for
three viewers at a time. I believe the Denver convention will be among
the better TCA conventions. The ski train trip is a one of a kind, It
follows the original Moffet line west thru inaccessible canyons, 28
tunnels. + the Moffet tunnel.
Jerry
Group: S-Trains Message: 43388 From: Bullybullfrog@aol.com Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: OSW Plus 'S' Next Week! Info
Pardon any cross post.

February the 16th & 17th with more 'S' layout tours on Sunday the 18th will
be 'O' Scale West Plus 'S' to be held at the Hyatt Regency Santa Clara
located at 5101 Great American Parkway, Santa Clara, Ca.

50 2007 'S' Scale RTR PFE reefers with the post -52 double black and white
paint scheme and 3 new road numbers will be available for purchase at the OSW
'Country Store' while supply last.

Dealers & Manufacturers will include:
Howard's Trains
Rio Grande Models
River Raisin Models
& Southwind Models
plus individual tables which include Felix Verser selling Pacific Rail Shops
equipment.

Bill Roberts has put together an all 'S' dinner on Friday evening at 5:45
just after the show and before the evening layout tours begin. The informal no
host dinner is being held so the all 'S' folks can gather and get to know
each other. For more information contact Bill at _BILL@..._
(mailto:BILL@...) .

Bring your models for the combined 'S' and 'O' Favorite Model Contest.

When you arrive and register be sure to check your registration envelope to
see if you won a door prize. SHS sent a WP SW-1 and I know there are other
SHS cars including reefers and hoppers plus items from California Roadbed and
others.

Also check your convention schedule for all the clinics being given
including those by Bill Young and Jerry Porter.

Thank you to Arden Goehring (S), Don Harper (Sn3), Ed Loizeaux (S/Sn3 and
Mike Schwab (Sn3) for opening their homes and layouts to tours.

Just a note, you can also check the OSW web site now for a list of clinics
and layout tours to help in your planning.

For further information check the OSW + S web site at
_www.oscalewest.com/osw2007_ (http://www.oscalewest.com/osw2007) or contact me by e-mail at
_Bullybullfrog@..._ (mailto:Bullybullfrog@...)

Enjoy the Convention!
Bill McClung
La Salle, Colorado




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43389 From: rmeyers4800 Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: American Flyer circus train
Hello,
I have a 1950 American Flyer Circus set. It is complete and in the
original box. I am missing 2 of the animal cages, and the transformer,
if it came with one. The outside box as well as the individual car
boxes are in rough shape. I just had a hobby shop look at the train and
they said they almost never see one in as good of condition as mine. I
received it as a kid in the mid 1970's and never used it (probably
since it didn't have a transformer), so it has been in a trunk since
then. The person told me it had barely been used. This is apparently
important, but I have all the cardboard cutouts and they are all
unpunched. Dut to their age, a couple have fallen out, but I think they
are all there. A similar set just sold on ebay for over $7000 but it
was the exact one from the greenberg book, and it had red flats whereas
mine has yellow ones. I will probably try to sell it on ebay, but I am
curious what kind of reserve to put on it. I have never sold anything
on ebay, just bought stuff for my kids, so if anyone has any advice on
value or the best way to part with it, I would really appreciat it. I
have pictures if that would help. Thanks
Group: S-Trains Message: 43390 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: Re: EBAY EBAY EBAY & OTHER RULES TUNE UP
I'm not the rule maker. But I thought that while we are on this topic, I'd
refresh another "If selling an item" state that in the topic header Or if
looking for a part. The rest can be filled in by the better or bitter memories...
Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43391 From: Donald Thompson Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: Re: More SHS blatant commercialism
It has been a busy two weeks for us. With the Springfield show and
then two days later a shipment of new products, we have really been
hopping. For us, the three new reefers plus the 00477 yellow unlettered
(Priebe, Skyland Eggs and Peerless Beer) arrived with two more stock
cars including the #00049 unlettered bc red (Frisco and N&W). I think
all of the back orders have been shipped. Images and ordering
information can be found at:
http://www.showcaseline.com/Reefers/Billboard/woodenreefers_in_stock.html
http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/WoodenStock/woodenstockcars_in_stock.html
The track starter set (40 X 60 oval) is again available. The rest of
our out of stock track is to be shipped next month. We received the last
4 cases of 40 containers from Tonkin on Thursday. They have no firm
plans to re-run this item, but hope to in the future. The last of our
CRLE Gunderson container cars were delivered the following week in
Springfield. Images of both can be found at:
http://www.showcaseline.com/s_scale_america/s_scale_america_Gunderson_in_stock.html#container
Other items in this shipment include the TCA 2006 MKT convention car
(these were all shipped last week directly to TCA members).
The two Hoquat Hobbies reefers (SFRD Chief and Berkshire Ham and Bacon)
as well as the two stock cars (Omaha route and GTW) are now being
shipped by Jeff. They can be seen and ordered at:
http://www.hoquathobbies.com/
The Scenery Unlimited Great American Circus cars have been shipped to
Don. He now as the rebuilt boxcar, stock car and flatcar. I think our
items are the last needed for him to start shipping these train sets.
Info and images on Dons Circus set can be found at:
http://www.heimburgerhouse.com/scenery_unlimited/circus_set.htm
The American Flyer Boys Club boxcars came in too. They include a re-run
of both the CofGA as well as the B&O timesaver. They can be seen at:
http://www.boysrailroadclub.com/cars_page/2001_cars.html

Don
Group: S-Trains Message: 43392 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: Re: EBAY EBAY EBAY
And that would also mean no talking about SHS & AM as far as buying &
selling. Gilbert would be left out too.
E-Bay is a source of parts, &whole trains for the ones like me that are
far from shops. Even when I lived in LA which had at least 12+ shops I still
looked on E-Bay for the items they didn't have.
CZ reminded me that the person that suggested the "E-Bay in the title rule"
was Tom Jarco. If you can't remember Tom, then I can see why you can't
remember the rule.. Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43393 From: TWesthelle@aol.com Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: Re: EBAY EBAY EBAY
I have been on this list for many years, much of the topics are of little
interest, others of great interest. EBay has been the vehicle for me to get back
into American Flyer S Trains and the beloved memories of childhood. I have
carried my limited train collection for years, never able to find even the
smallest of AF stuff. Then along came EBay. It reopened all of memory and an
avenue to both look, smile and even aquire pieces and part of the long lost AC
Gilbert dream.
I personally know many of the folks that are part of this list, and honestly,
cant imagine them angery about discussing the places we have seen or aquired
our loved trains. I also am interested who has had great experiences and the
alternative, allowing others on this list to both view and avoid certain EBay
sellers.
As I have read, we all have a delete button, if there is any email from this
list that is of no interest to you, hit the button, as I have on many
occasions. The need for anger is totally unwarranted.
Lets get back to TRAINS.
Regards,
Tom Westhelle
Oviedo, FL


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43394 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: Re: EBAY EBAY EBAY
TOM....... As you and I know.... Not only have our collections expanded..... But great freindships have developed, EVEN IF SNIPING WAS INVOLVED........ True this list is for S-Trains ...... But most of us have become friends..... and we laugh when we jab at one another...... and at times we cry when we need a hand...... But all in all we are there for each other...... Bob RCON7
----- Original Message -----
From: TWesthelle@...
To: Anormal1@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: EBAY EBAY EBAY


I have been on this list for many years, much of the topics are of little
interest, others of great interest. EBay has been the vehicle for me to get back
into American Flyer S Trains and the beloved memories of childhood. I have
carried my limited train collection for years, never able to find even the
smallest of AF stuff. Then along came EBay. It reopened all of memory and an
avenue to both look, smile and even aquire pieces and part of the long lost AC
Gilbert dream.
I personally know many of the folks that are part of this list, and honestly,
cant imagine them angery about discussing the places we have seen or aquired
our loved trains. I also am interested who has had great experiences and the
alternative, allowing others on this list to both view and avoid certain EBay
sellers.
As I have read, we all have a delete button, if there is any email from this
list that is of no interest to you, hit the button, as I have on many
occasions. The need for anger is totally unwarranted.
Lets get back to TRAINS.
Regards,
Tom Westhelle
Oviedo, FL

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43395 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: Lawyer Letter
Yesterday, I got a letter in the mail, that was from a lawyer in Pittsburgh, PA, as I live in MD, 5 hours away.

I thought this letter was a piece of junk mail, but I was curious.

It turns out, it was a letter from this lawyer, telling me all about his train auction business, as he promoted more about his law office at the end.

I don't think I will be using this person for any train business in the future, as I felt using his law address for the return address on the envelope was strange, as he promoted himself as being a lawyer at the end.

I think he needs to separate his law practice and his train business.

Just my opinion.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43396 From: Phil K Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: You don't have to buy or sell to benefit from eBay
Speaking for myself, I see no need to ban the subject of eBay from
this board.

I would say everyone who visits here buys -- and maybe sells,too --
model trains. So even if you are not active on eBay, it still
provides anyone who tunes in an excellent, free-of-charge barometer
of EXACTLY what people are willing to pay for both common and rare S
trains and accessories. And such price-watching only serves to
enhance the buying-selling-trading aspect of our hobby -- which can
be very narcotic.

We have over 1340 registered members on S-Trains -- plus another
7,500 or more lurkers who do not care enough to join. So far, I have
more fingers on one hand than I've seen complaints about eBay posts.
Three or four disgruntled people (who were agitated enough to
register a complaint) out of all who visit this board is not enough
to warrant an outright ban.

A few emails are sent to the group owner each week, or individual
moderators, complaining about a wide variety of things and demanding
changes... but these all come from outsiders, harsh critics who are
not members and therefore deserve no say in what goes on here. There
is one former member (permanently banned from this forum) who has become quite prolific and quite pesty by sending off-line rants to members -- he's totally irrational.

Most of us see topics here we care little about -- and like me, most
members move past them because we respect everyone's varied interests.

Jeez, what an terrible inconvenience to have to open and then delete
an extra email or two a day! I'd say the benefits here vastly
outweigh the negatives.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 43397 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: Re: American Flyer circus train
i just listed a set, boxes and all..... This might help e-bay # 300080284153 my BIN price is 3400.00.... I paid 3200.00.... Its a nice set......
----- Original Message -----
From: rmeyers4800
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 11:07 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer circus train


Hello,
I have a 1950 American Flyer Circus set. It is complete and in the
original box. I am missing 2 of the animal cages, and the transformer,
if it came with one. The outside box as well as the individual car
boxes are in rough shape. I just had a hobby shop look at the train and
they said they almost never see one in as good of condition as mine. I
received it as a kid in the mid 1970's and never used it (probably
since it didn't have a transformer), so it has been in a trunk since
then. The person told me it had barely been used. This is apparently
important, but I have all the cardboard cutouts and they are all
unpunched. Dut to their age, a couple have fallen out, but I think they
are all there. A similar set just sold on ebay for over $7000 but it
was the exact one from the greenberg book, and it had red flats whereas
mine has yellow ones. I will probably try to sell it on ebay, but I am
curious what kind of reserve to put on it. I have never sold anything
on ebay, just bought stuff for my kids, so if anyone has any advice on
value or the best way to part with it, I would really appreciat it. I
have pictures if that would help. Thanks





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43398 From: Chris Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: eBay, eBay, oBoy
Well, here's an antidote to all the eBay nonsense of late. Check out
this item. This guy has a great self-deprecating sense of humor. And
he doesn't take eBay all that seriously, either!
Chris Zizzo



Item number: 140084367031
Group: S-Trains Message: 43399 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: Cold Storage to serve those Reefers, Advert
Hi All,
We finally have the photo models for our new cold storage kits posted.
Here is a link to the starting page
http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/s-scalekits.htm
Just in time to serve Don's fantastic reefers. We hope to start
shipping these kits within the next couple of weeks. This is only the
first structure in our planned reefer service complex. This cold
storage structure can transfer produce, meats, beverages, dairy or
whatever you wish.
Best wishes to all, Keith Blanchard
Pine Canyon Scale Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 43400 From: The LANIERs Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: Re: Lawyer Letter & Off Topic
I too received this type of letter a number of months ago and felt compelled to contact the PA Bar Association. I eventually got a letter from them telling me he was doing nothing wrong. So much for using his law practice for just that.

paflyrman
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 2:54 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Lawyer Letter


Yesterday, I got a letter in the mail, that was from a lawyer in Pittsburgh, PA, as I live in MD, 5 hours away.

I thought this letter was a piece of junk mail, but I was curious.

It turns out, it was a letter from this lawyer, telling me all about his train auction business, as he promoted more about his law office at the end.

I don't think I will be using this person for any train business in the future, as I felt using his law address for the return address on the envelope was strange, as he promoted himself as being a lawyer at the end.

I think he needs to separate his law practice and his train business.

Just my opinion.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43401 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: Jerry Dobbs Invite
Bob or anyone else going to Denver for the TCA convention:

Do take Jerry Dobbs invite to visit his layout and of course to see Jerry.

My wife and I spent a couple of days with Jerry here in MD back in 2003.

Jerry and his wife, Thelma, are some of the nicest people you will ever meet.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43402 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: Fw: Letter
This is an email that I sent to Mr. [Drew]* Bauer about his letter to me.

I am not sure what kind of response I will get.

* Moderator added first name for clarity.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: ambrosebauer@...
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:58 PM
Subject: Letter


Dear Mr. Bauer,

I received your letter the other day, for your auction website and I just want you to know that I feel it is very unprofessional the way you use you name with Attorney At Law on the envelope.

I have no problems with you conducting a train auction business, but I feel, in the future, you should address envelopes with your name and auction company, not Attorney At Law.

I believe you got my name from the TCA directory.

First of all, I thought this was a piece of junk mail, since it was from Pittsburgh, PA, 5 hours from my home, but then, the envelope and having a real stamp on it, clued me that I better open this.

You see, I was taken to court by a whacko neighbor, that cost me time and money, for something the court system should of weeded out, to make sure it was a real serious matter. It was not. Yes, being sued by a neighbor for Protective Order, when you been trying to get the Homeowners Association to get this women to finish painting her house, that her husband started to do before he went to Federal Prison, was a complete silly situation, all because she feared I would spill the news to the neighbors, which I could care less. Real silly lawsuit, as I just cover the basics with not much silly detail. This case should of review by someone before it was taken to court. No wonder why the court system is overloaded.

Second, I am on several Yahoo discussion groups, trains being several of them, as I, like many have probably pissed off someone about something I wrote, as I have gotten private emails in the pass from some that I have pissed off and things sometimes are not pleasant. So, I thought, did I really upset someone that badly who lives in Pittsburgh, PA on a yahoo list? I do carry a million dollar liability policy that cost me $160, as in today's world, you never know, as I have already been involved once before with a wacko case in my lifetime. I never want to go through that again, as your letter then scarce the hell out of me.

So, I have no problems with you running this business and mentioning in the letter your background and profession, but I think you really need to remove the Attorney At Law for many other reasons. You upset me and I am sure you have upset others with this approach. Why it is necessary for you to state on the letter Attorney At Law in the first place, when it is not Attorney business is beyond.

I wish you well,

Mike Marmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43403 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: basket cases
When I first got back into AF when I discovered the Mother Lode of AF in a train Shoppe in Maine in 1991 I purchase a set of switches which I think are 720's.

They never worked and I had a shop repair things for me, including these switches. The repairman, who is now a good friend told the shop owner to tell me, to make these switches into book ends or something like that.

Well, as I am going through my AF track, as I think the time has come to build the layout, as I am still torn over with track to use, AF, Classic Track, S Helper, I tested all my switches, which are all fine and in great shape. But I never threw away this two "bookend" switches.

Well, this afternoon, I am happy to announce, just like in Young Frankenstein. "IT"S ALIVE!" Or they now work like a champ! They just needed some "Tender Loving Care" just Linus said of that tree! Now this is getting silly.

Basically, the contacts where dirty as heck, (not a plug for John Heck, fine seller of AF items) and the whole moving works needed a good cleaning.

So, now, I have a another set of fine switches.

Working on these things is not so difficult, as I finally learn how to remove all the outside rods on the drive wheels on a Hudson and get it all back together.

And now I solder like a pro.

Amazing!

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43404 From: Jerry Poniatowski Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: Re: basket cases
Hi MIke,

You sound like you are thoroughly enjoying your trains, and that's the
way it should be! You also seem to have discovered another dimension
to them. I too enjoy puting discarded trains back in running
condition, as I'm sure many others do. It appeals to the
tinkerer in all of us. For me it began with my first train in 1956,
and continues to today. Collector or operator or restorer or basher.
The bottom line is to have fun. I've said it before, and I'll
continue saying it: If it isn't fun, I'm out of here.

Jerry Poniatowski
Wayne, MI
Group: S-Trains Message: 43405 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/11/2007
Subject: letter correction
As usual, trying to do too many things at once and I messed up the last line of my email to Mr. Lawyer.

I sent him a email correcting it.

I can't wait, if at all, to hear from him tomorrow

Stay tuned.

Mike Marmer

Dear Mr. Bauer,

I am quite tired, as I realized I goofed up the end of this email to you.

The last line needs a correction.

I meant to write that why is it necessary for you to use "Attorney At Law" on the envelope, not in the letter. That is beyond me.

Sorry for the error and I hope you understand why I am asking you to remove Attorney At Law from the envelope.

Sincerely,

Mike Marmer
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43406 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: 660 Series Passenger Sets
I have a set of the 660, 661, 662 chromed (not aluminum) passenger cars.
Can someone tell me what the proper engines are for this set?

Thanks.

Jim E.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43407 From: George Cohn Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: eBay, eBay, oBoy
Chris wrote:

> Well, here's an antidote to all the eBay nonsense of late. Check out
> this item. This guy has a great self-deprecating sense of humor. And
> he doesn't take eBay all that seriously, either!
> Chris Zizzo
>
> Item number: 140084367031

Those might be handy to make some track side controllers or something.
Maybe even replace some track trips. Got me thinking now, a few of
those and some small magnets.........

BTW, for those who build electronic or mechanical gizmos, check out
http://www.allelectronics.com They are a surplus house in California
that sells manufacture over runs and such. Besides electronic parts,
they often have lots of little gears, pulleys, motors, chains and stuff.

A buddy on my Brit car list once put a label on a large empty jar that
said, "Genuine Lucas Smoke, use it to replace yours if you've
accidentally left the smoke out of your wiring harness."

He had to pull it from eBay because he was getting thousands of dollars
in bids from folks going along with the joke. ;-)

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 43408 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: TRAIN SHOW
Rails in the Rockies
February 17, 9-5 & 18, 9-4, 2007
Conference Center at Holiday inn
ESTES PARK, COLORADO
Group: S-Trains Message: 43409 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Mid-West S show?
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Smith
I received an email a little while back about an S scale show coming up
somewhere in the Mid-West . . . . . I have seem to have misplaced the email.
> > > > > > >
-------Respose-------------
On Saturday and Sunday, 17 & 18 Feb there is the big Ann Arbor Model RR
Club's annual Train Show in Saline Michigan. I will be there with 10 tables
of new S products, and the Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers will be there
with a modular layout. I don't deal in AF, but there will certainly be
other dealers who do.

Information can be found at http://a2trainshow.com/

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
Group: S-Trains Message: 43410 From: ken garber Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: Attorney reply
> 15. Fw: Letter
> Posted by: "Michael and Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000
> Date: Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:33 pm ((PST))
>
> .....
> So, I have no problems with you running this business and mentioning in
> the letter your background and profession, but I think you really need to
> remove the Attorney At Law for many other reasons. You upset me and I am
> sure you have upset others with this approach. Why it is necessary for
> you to state on the letter Attorney At Law in the first place, when it is
> not Attorney business is beyond.
>


You could have replied with the envelope marked with a return address of
the IRS Investigations Branch. That might get the message across.

regards,

Ken
Group: S-Trains Message: 43411 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: 660 Series Passenger Sets
From '50-'52. (chrome or aluminum )
In '51, they came with the 360/364 Sante Fe.
In '52, they came with the 360/364 Sante Fe
and with the "Silver Streak".
I don't have a 1950 catalog.

Rick.



I have a set of the 660, 661, 662 chromed (not aluminum) passenger cars.
Can someone tell me what the proper engines are for this set?




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43412 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: 660 Series Passenger Sets
THE 660, 661, 662 CAME IN THE 5205W..... THE 60, 62, 63 CAME IN SEVERAL SETS, 5008, 5008A, 5108, 5011 HAD THE 60, 61, 63..... BOB
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Evans
To: STrains
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 660 Series Passenger Sets


From '50-'52. (chrome or aluminum )
In '51, they came with the 360/364 Sante Fe.
In '52, they came with the 360/364 Sante Fe
and with the "Silver Streak".
I don't have a 1950 catalog.

Rick.

I have a set of the 660, 661, 662 chromed (not aluminum) passenger cars.
Can someone tell me what the proper engines are for this set?

S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com
All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too!

Enjoy thousands of great photos
at http://S-Scale.org/albums
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43413 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: 660 Series Passenger Sets
OK, taking a closer look in the '52 catalog, the 660-661-662 came with the Silver Streak
diesel (5205W), and NOT the 360/364 Sante Fe (in '51 & '52).
That right Bob?


THE 660, 661, 662 CAME IN THE 5205W..... THE 60, 62, 63 CAME IN SEVERAL SETS, 5008, 5008A, 5108, 5011 HAD THE 60, 61, 63..... BOB



From '50-'52. (chrome or aluminum )
In '51, they came with the 360/364 Sante Fe.
In '52, they came with the 360/364 Sante Fe
and with the "Silver Streak".
I don't have a 1950 catalog.

Rick.

I have a set of the 660, 661, 662 chromed (not aluminum) passenger cars.
Can someone tell me what the proper engines are for this set?

S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com
All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too!

Enjoy thousands of great photos
at http://S-Scale.org/albums
Yahoo! Groups Links

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43414 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: 660 Series Passenger Sets
Bob would certainly know about the sets!!!
What different locos came with those sets Bob?
I kinda forgot about the 661. I'm still looking for a
"cheap" one!!
Rick.


THE 660, 661, 662 CAME IN THE 5205W..... THE 60, 62, 63 CAME IN SEVERAL SETS, 5008, 5008A, 5108, 5011 HAD THE 60, 61, 63..... BOB



From '50-'52. (chrome or aluminum )
In '51, they came with the 360/364 Sante Fe.
In '52, they came with the 360/364 Sante Fe
and with the "Silver Streak".
I don't have a 1950 catalog.

Rick.

I have a set of the 660, 661, 662 chromed (not aluminum) passenger cars.
Can someone tell me what the proper engines are for this set?

S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com
All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too!

Enjoy thousands of great photos
at http://S-Scale.org/albums
Yahoo! Groups Links

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43415 From: Dick Kuepper Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Lawyer Letter
Watch out, Mike!! Could be an undercover lawyer for the You Pee!! ;<)



Dick Kuepper

Aurora, OH







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Group: S-Trains Message: 43416 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Flyonel Dining Car ??? Not really a dining car !!!
Its rare that I will buy anything Flyonel or say anything complimentary about
Flyonel products. The Southern Mikado was an exception, though I would not
have purchased it if I had not been a big fan of the excursion locomotive 4501
which this model tried to represent.
. . . . . . . .
But I have again made a Flyonel purchase of the 4 car Union Pacific
heavyweight set. I got it because of the dining car, which I may decorate for
another road. The graphics are really nice but Union Pacific does not fit in with
the theme of my model railroad. I admit that I was impressed by the open end
platform area of the observation car. But the dining car was a big
disappointment. In fact it is a stretch to call it a dining car. The disappointment
was immediate when I saw that there were vestibule doors at one end. And the
vestibule doors are not at the end of the car where the kitchen would be
located. Flyonel's streamlined dining car also has this goof, but I never have
considered it a dining car. Rather it is a coach with a different window
arrangement. But the heavyweight dining car is a newly tooled product, not a clone of
a coach or any of the other heavyweights. Flyonel could have just as easily
have left off the vestibule doors and instead could have designed appropriate
doors for supplying the kitchen. Instead there are no doors to supply the
kitchen. Another reason I do not consider this car to be a diner is the
placement of passenger silhouettes in the windows that represented the kitchen end.
Call it a Club Car but not a Dining Car. In summary, I believe the person(s)
who designed the dining car did not understand anything about a dining car.
. . . . . .
I find it interesting that the 2007 heavyweight sets make no mention of a
dining car. Yet the graphic images on their web site clearly show that the car
they have previously called a dining car is included. But apparently it is the
car they refer to as a sleeper.
. . . .
Another comment about the new Flyonel heavyweights. Most buyers are not
going to be ask picky as I, and I will admit that these cars look pretty nice at
first glance. But the area of the car above the windows is too high. I am
referring to the letterboard area. This is another part of the design I do not
understand.
. . . .
Earl Henry, Nashville


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43417 From: Phil K Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: 660 Series Passenger Sets
The proper engines for these cars come from several sets:

405 334DC 302 283 (283 set also included 663 observation car)

Phil K

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--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "hugoroundhouse" <jimensign50@...>
wrote:
>
> I have a set of the 660, 661, 662 chromed (not aluminum) passenger
cars.
> Can someone tell me what the proper engines are for this set?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jim E.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43418 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: 660 Series Passenger Sets
Vacuum plated chrome plastic 660, 661, 662 passenger cars never came with
360/361 or 360/364 SF sets. Only the extruded aluminum cars were in these sets.
There were no chromed plastic 663s made. The "500" (set 434) series
streamline coaches were in satin silver paint. They would have PULLMAN above the
windows. Some 661s in satin have shown up in the "500" sets. The "500" sets
always came with a CN&W pacific with small digit 282 on cab beneath windows.

Harwood


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43419 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: 660 Series Passenger Sets BLATENT AD
If you want the boxes....... 300079608983 also the set box is up too..... bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil K
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 4:11 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 660 Series Passenger Sets


The proper engines for these cars come from several sets:

405 334DC 302 283 (283 set also included 663 observation car)

Phil K

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--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "hugoroundhouse" <jimensign50@...>
wrote:
>
> I have a set of the 660, 661, 662 chromed (not aluminum) passenger
cars.
> Can someone tell me what the proper engines are for this set?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jim E.
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43420 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Flyonel Dining Car ??? Not really a dining car !!!
Earl,

Funny that you've posted this..I was visiting a friend's layout in Delaware
last night, and he loves his UP cars. He further stated that he's going to
off his AM heavies. He surmises that the wheels are gauged so exact that the
cars have problems staying on Gilbert track and switches. Says that the "L"
cars haven't derailed yet. Different strokes for different folks.....

Fred


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43421 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: 660 Series Passenger Sets
Phil, a 283 is a knuckle coupler engine, mfg. 1954-57. 660,661,662,663 were
all link coupler cars (50-52) unless converted by someone. Don't have any
record of an uncataloged set containing this engine with these cars. You must
be thinking of a 282. There is an uncataloged set with a small numbered 282
that came with the four aluminum coaches.

Harwood


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43422 From: Phil K Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: 660 Series Passenger Sets
Harwood --

My records show a set No. 1199 had a 283 with 660, 661, 662 and 663.

I do not possess one to confirm this. BTW, that uncatalogued set does
not appear in the TM Guide.

I do not know where I gathered that information, however. But I do
have it listed in two places in my research notes. One of the
references did come from the software program "Set Searcher" that I
have on my hard drive for quick-lookup purposes.

I cannot attest that Set Searcher is infallable, though.

It also lists a freight version of the 1199 set with a 283, 802, 803,
804, 805, 825, 911, 916, 921, 924 and 928. It also indicates the set
included three (3) 928s and two (2) 921s.

This may be "blowout" set to dump excess inventory, like the 5205CWX
Silver Streak set that was created in limited quantities for Polk
Bros. appliance chain in Chicago -- it included about nine Minicraft
buildings. Maury Romer said this set was designed to dump the
remainder of the 660 series cars with link couplers and remaining
inventory of the buildings, which Gilbert was discontinuing at the
same time. I have a couple of those sets. They still pop up once
in awhile here in Chicago.

Phil K

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--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote:
>
> Phil, a 283 is a knuckle coupler engine, mfg. 1954-57.
660,661,662,663 were
> all link coupler cars (50-52) unless converted by someone. Don't
have any
> record of an uncataloged set containing this engine with these
cars. You must
> be thinking of a 282. There is an uncataloged set with a small
numbered 282
> that came with the four aluminum coaches.
>
> Harwood
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43423 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: 660 Series Passenger Sets
***(((((This may be "blowout" set to dump excess inventory, like the 5205CWX
Silver Streak set that was created in limited quantities for Polk
Bros. appliance chain in Chicago -- it included about nine Minicraft
buildings. Maury Romer said this set was designed to dump the
remainder of the 660 series cars with link couplers and remaining
inventory of the buildings, which Gilbert was discontinuing at the
same time. I have a couple of those sets. They still pop up once
in awhile here in Chicago.))))****

Interesting. Could be possible I guess.
I was curious about the 283 coming with 600 series "link" cars.
That may explain it.

Rick.







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--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote:
>
> Phil, a 283 is a knuckle coupler engine, mfg. 1954-57.
660,661,662,663 were
> all link coupler cars (50-52) unless converted by someone. Don't
have any
> record of an uncataloged set containing this engine with these
cars. You must
> be thinking of a 282. There is an uncataloged set with a small
numbered 282
> that came with the four aluminum coaches.
>
> Harwood
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43424 From: Scott Freeman Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Dining Car ??? Not really a dining car !!!
They are toys.


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote:
>
> Its rare that I will buy anything Flyonel or say anything
complimentary about
> Flyonel products. The Southern Mikado was an exception, though I
would not
> have purchased it if I had not been a big fan of the excursion
locomotive 4501
> which this model tried to represent.
> . . . . . . . .
> But I have again made a Flyonel purchase of the 4 car Union Pacific
> heavyweight set. I got it because of the dining car, which I may
decorate for
> another road. The graphics are really nice but Union Pacific does
not fit in with
> the theme of my model railroad. I admit that I was impressed by
the open end
> platform area of the observation car. But the dining car was a big
> disappointment. In fact it is a stretch to call it a dining car.
The disappointment
> was immediate when I saw that there were vestibule doors at one
end. And the
> vestibule doors are not at the end of the car where the kitchen
would be
> located. Flyonel's streamlined dining car also has this goof, but
I never have
> considered it a dining car. Rather it is a coach with a different
window
> arrangement. But the heavyweight dining car is a newly tooled
product, not a clone of
> a coach or any of the other heavyweights. Flyonel could have just
as easily
> have left off the vestibule doors and instead could have designed
appropriate
> doors for supplying the kitchen. Instead there are no doors to
supply the
> kitchen. Another reason I do not consider this car to be a diner
is the
> placement of passenger silhouettes in the windows that represented
the kitchen end.
> Call it a Club Car but not a Dining Car. In summary, I believe the
person(s)
> who designed the dining car did not understand anything about a
dining car.
> . . . . . .
> I find it interesting that the 2007 heavyweight sets make no
mention of a
> dining car. Yet the graphic images on their web site clearly show
that the car
> they have previously called a dining car is included. But
apparently it is the
> car they refer to as a sleeper.
> . . . .
> Another comment about the new Flyonel heavyweights. Most buyers
are not
> going to be ask picky as I, and I will admit that these cars look
pretty nice at
> first glance. But the area of the car above the windows is too
high. I am
> referring to the letterboard area. This is another part of the
design I do not
> understand.
> . . . .
> Earl Henry, Nashville
>
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43425 From: Chris Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Flyonel Dining Car ??? Not really a dining car !!!
Earl:
If you were to wonder aloud to Don Thompson why his SHS caboose
doesn't come in certain road names, he'd tell you that that road
never used that style of caboose. Don builds scale models in an
affordable plastic production run, for guys who like the Flyer
tradition, but who are ready to go a little more into realism.

Flyer, the Gilbert variety, built the Rocket, the Silver Flash and
the Comet. They gave PA diesels to roads that didn't run them and
PB units to everyone. There were very few PB units in actual
production. I think I own more than were made! Reading cabeese ran
behind Pennsy K-5's (of which only two were built -- I have four)
and New Haven passenger cars were assigned to everybody. Oh yeah,
everythings shorter than it's supposed to be so the mainline can
highball trains through curves too sharp for any yard.

Flyonel is in the Flyer tradition. It is not a scale line. It is a
toy line, very scale in appearance. You certainly got it right that
the designer could have figured this car out a little better, but
these guys are still in a toy mentality. They expect you to race
them around an oval at 200 scale mph, blow the whistle and thrill
the grandkids. The kind of detail you would like is still reserved
for the boys in brass, and SHS and American Models.

It is a shame, really, because it wouldn't take that much more, but
the bright side is that they made new tooling and they are pushing
forward with S. The correction could even be made without a
retool. Or not. They still look pretty good to me.

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 43426 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: basket cases
Thanks Jerry, as I am about to step into the world of operator vs. being a collector. O:)!

It is not too hard to try and learn how to do this stuff.

Then when I mess up, I will just send it off to Doug Peck. Just kidding, as Doug has two smoke units of mine right now.

I was able to do the whole procedure of changing the wick and getting the engine all back together, but somehow, the wick wire where touching, as I went over them, to keep them separated with a magnifying glass.

Bringing these switches back from the dead was kind of fun actually.

And to think I was about to throw them away, along with the 660, 661,663 awful looking Passenger cars that I also got with these switches back in 1991. Using Mag wheel polish now makes look like mint condition. Hum, that is it, sell all this stuff now as new on ebay. JUST KIDDING!

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Poniatowski
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:09 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: basket cases


Hi MIke,

You sound like you are thoroughly enjoying your trains, and that's the
way it should be! You also seem to have discovered another dimension
to them. I too enjoy puting discarded trains back in running
condition, as I'm sure many others do. It appeals to the
tinkerer in all of us. For me it began with my first train in 1956,
and continues to today. Collector or operator or restorer or basher.
The bottom line is to have fun. I've said it before, and I'll
continue saying it: If it isn't fun, I'm out of here.

Jerry Poniatowski
Wayne, MI





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43427 From: Donald Thompson Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Dining Car ??? Not really a dining car !!!
Dear Chris,
I think you need to re-read the introduction in the 1946 American
Flyer Catalog by A.C. Gilbert.
Best,
Don

Chris wrote:

> Flyonel is in the Flyer tradition. It is not a scale line.
>
> Chris Zizzo
>
> .
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43428 From: Phil K Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Dining Car ??? Not really a dining car !!!
Etymologically, which definition of "scale" are we employing here?

The traditional meaning of "scale", as in "3/16-inch-to-one-foot" as
used by A.C. Gilbert, or the colloquial version of "scale" which has
grown to mean as "being extremely close to prototype models, not only
in size relationships, but of authentic high detail and correctness"?

Kinda like the difference between High-Rail and scale wheelsets?

Phil K

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In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Donald Thompson <don@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Chris,
> I think you need to re-read the introduction in the 1946
American
> Flyer Catalog by A.C. Gilbert.
> Best,
> Don
>
> Chris wrote:
>
> > Flyonel is in the Flyer tradition. It is not a scale line.
> >
> > Chris Zizzo
> >
> > .
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43429 From: Chris Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Flyonel Dining Car ??? Not really a dining car !!!
After all the nice things I said about you, Don Thompson, you cut my
legs out from under me. I read all those catalogs. Why do you think
I got hooked on Flyer. With all that brilliant Gilbert hyperbole,
they had me at "Hey Kids! . . ."

But look at what they manufactured. Compare it to your stuff. Come
on, my comments are right on.

CZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 43430 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 2/12/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Dining Car ??? Not really a dining car !!!
Well there you go -the key word is "grown" - at the time Gilbert
went to 3/16th and then S gauge his products were a lot closer
to "scale" in the close to prototype features sense than most of the
O gauge opposition. Scale today has now grown to mean closer to the
high quality one offs built to order by skilled craftsmen. But when
I look at my Flyer S I am still amazed, given the technolgy of the
time, and the market at the time, just how brilliantly
representative of the style or even model of the loco the original
1946 range was. Toys but heaps ahead of Marx, Hafner and most of the
Lionel range at the time. Alistair


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote:
>
> Etymologically, which definition of "scale" are we employing here?
>
> The traditional meaning of "scale", as in "3/16-inch-to-one-foot"
as
> used by A.C. Gilbert, or the colloquial version of "scale" which
has
> grown to mean as "being extremely close to prototype models, not
only
> in size relationships, but of authentic high detail and
correctness"?
>
> Kinda like the difference between High-Rail and scale wheelsets?
>
> Phil K
>
> *******************************************************************
>
> In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Donald Thompson <don@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Chris,
> > I think you need to re-read the introduction in the 1946
> American
> > Flyer Catalog by A.C. Gilbert.
> > Best,
> > Don
> >
> > Chris wrote:
> >
> > > Flyonel is in the Flyer tradition. It is not a scale line.
> > >
> > > Chris Zizzo
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43431 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/13/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Dining Car ??? Not really a dining car !!!
In a message dated 2/12/2007 4:12:50 PM Central Standard Time,
Fredstrainparts writes:
Earl,

Funny that you've posted this..I was visiting a friend's layout in Delaware
last night, and he loves his UP cars. He further stated that he's going to off
his AM heavies. He surmises that the wheels are gauged so exact that the
cars have problems staying on Gilbert track and switches. Says that the "L" cars
haven't derailed yet. Different strokes for different folks.....

Fred
Fred, there are a lot of good things about these cars, including the fact
that they would invest (finally) money to make the tooling for these cars. And
they do roll nicely. But the GOOF on the dining cars is crazy. Yes these are
toys but toy makers who make nothing but toy trains should know something
about the products they make. Its a shame they invested their money and did it
incorrectly. Now the excuse for not correcting it is it will cost too much
money.

The graphics on these cars look great. But the more one looks at the cars,
the more there is to find fault with. For the money they invested, they should
have produced flawless cars.

- Earl Henry, Nashville


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43432 From: Chris Date: 2/13/2007
Subject: Flyonel Dining Car ??? Not really a dining car !!!
Phil K. asked:
>>Which definition of "scale" are we employing? The traditional
meaning of "scale", as in "3/16-inch-to-one-foot" as
used by A.C. Gilbert, or the colloquial version of "scale" which has
grown to mean as "being extremely close to prototype models, not only
in size relationships, but of authentic high detail and correctness"?

Kinda like the difference between High-Rail and scale wheelsets?

___________________________________________________________________

Well, no. I don't think that scale has grown into your second
definition. I think that the first definition regarding size is a
big part of it, but the definition must apply to the whole model.
Hi-rail wheels, huge couplers (links for that matter), little
stamped doorhandles on box cars, shortened, truncated engines and
cars, vista-domes that don't reach the sides, windows that don't
match known prototypes and on and on, have come to be accepted by a
portion of the model-railroading population as inevitable
compromises in our favorite line of trains. To expect them to now
adhere to a new standard in light of the products of their modern
competitors is probably somewhat disingenuous on our part.

Back in the day, Lionel built the scale Hudson, which was about as
scale an item as you might ever find, except for couplers and wheel
flanges. Then they built some steel cars, some of the most
beautiful freight equipment you will find anywhere, to exacting
detail, as an accompaniment for their masterpiece engine. They
referred to the cars as "semi-scale", in deference to the coupler
and wheel thing. Lionel can do it right, and they have always known
the difference. Their trains today approach levels of scale only
known in the past by those few items I mentioned, but still they
compromise in many ways.

Every time I feel that I wish everything were more scale-like, I
remember the guys at the extreme end who argue about the contour of
the wheel flanges and reject the regular scale flange for the new
standard, and I realize, I'm not a scale guy, I'm a high-railer. I
live in a world of semi-scale compromise.

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 43433 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/13/2007
Subject: Another ebay scam problem
Guys and Gals..... I was wondering why an item had been relisted...... Here was my reply and response..... First I have heard of this one..... who gets stuck with the relisting charge? Bob



THANKS FOR THE INPUT...... I have several large items up now so i had better watch out too..... I am looking for a Citabria. or clipped t-craft ..... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: michael
To: rcon7@...
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Question for item #120086119471 - Emergency Pilot Parachute, Strong Ent. Paracushion 311


I don't know about the repack charge. I'm a pilot and was going to use it for my Cessna 172.

It's up for auction again because I-Bay can't keep the Nigerian scam artists off their site. They bid an amount way above the current bid and then want me to send them the balance of a money order back to them.

Of course the money order is a phony.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43434 From: Phil K Date: 2/13/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Dining Car ??? Not really a dining car !!!
Well, I try to stay out of arguments over semantics. Like in this
case, where nobody will win because there are no absolutes. I
appreciate your viewpoints, but this is one of those nebulous topics
where no one is right and no one is wrong.

I can only speak for myself. I buy what I'm happy with, and thus my
basement is full of model trains, so somebody must be doing something
right by me. I don't feel guilty running a no-frills ACG Baldwin next
to a SHS SW-1. I have no trouble sleeping at night knowing one of my
21168s is sitting on a yard siding adjacent to a Flyonel Mike.

Point is, these are just toys and I don't take every new product
that comes out and compare it to the original blueprints. To me, it's
not that big a deal. Others may disagree. So to each, his own.

I do not mean to criticize anyone -- I'm just speaking for myself,
and I don't agonize over what I consider the small stuff.

The S-Trains board leans toward being a High-Railer's enclave, while
the S-Scale board attracts mainly those who have a passion for more
realism and detail than I. To me, the difference between the
philosophies of the two boards is indemic to the crux of this
discussion. Almost following along those lines are those who run on
AC and those who choose DC. While I do all of my posting here because
this is where my heart lies, I do occasionally visit the S-Scale
group.

A person can either be one or the other -- or anyplace he/she chooses
in-between. That's what makes a hobby like this so much fun -- you
can do whatever you want, and don't have to pay attention to anyone
who is critical about what you do. I don't.

Phil K

****************************************************************
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <busyboy@...> wrote:
>
> Phil K. asked:
> >>Which definition of "scale" are we employing? The traditional
> meaning of "scale", as in "3/16-inch-to-one-foot" as
> used by A.C. Gilbert, or the colloquial version of "scale" which has
> grown to mean as "being extremely close to prototype models, not
only
> in size relationships, but of authentic high detail and
correctness"?
>
> Kinda like the difference between High-Rail and scale wheelsets?
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
>
> Well, no. I don't think that scale has grown into your second
> definition. I think that the first definition regarding size is a
> big part of it, but the definition must apply to the whole model.
> Hi-rail wheels, huge couplers (links for that matter), little
> stamped doorhandles on box cars, shortened, truncated engines and
> cars, vista-domes that don't reach the sides, windows that don't
> match known prototypes and on and on, have come to be accepted by a
> portion of the model-railroading population as inevitable
> compromises in our favorite line of trains. To expect them to now
> adhere to a new standard in light of the products of their modern
> competitors is probably somewhat disingenuous on our part.
>
> Back in the day, Lionel built the scale Hudson, which was about as
> scale an item as you might ever find, except for couplers and wheel
> flanges. Then they built some steel cars, some of the most
> beautiful freight equipment you will find anywhere, to exacting
> detail, as an accompaniment for their masterpiece engine. They
> referred to the cars as "semi-scale", in deference to the coupler
> and wheel thing. Lionel can do it right, and they have always
known
> the difference. Their trains today approach levels of scale only
> known in the past by those few items I mentioned, but still they
> compromise in many ways.
>
> Every time I feel that I wish everything were more scale-like, I
> remember the guys at the extreme end who argue about the contour of
> the wheel flanges and reject the regular scale flange for the new
> standard, and I realize, I'm not a scale guy, I'm a high-railer. I
> live in a world of semi-scale compromise.
>
> Chris Zizzo
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43435 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/13/2007
Subject: Re: Another ebay scam problem
Bob,
And I-bay has helped them by hiding the bidders ID's. They say this
is for our protection, but it really is so you can't offer another bidder an
item outside of I-Bay. Mike





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43436 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/13/2007
Subject: Re: 660 Series Passenger Sets
Fred, I went out to the collection and checked on that. Bob must have made a
typo after being here working on the book. Looked in the box, it does have a
small digit 282 in it. It was an uncataloged set from Woodward & Lothrop in
Washington, DC. I bought the set from the original owner who had been
employed there. It has 600,661,662 & 663. The engine will hardly pull all four.
Same size box as the 434 setbox. I noticed Bob didn't put the box size in the
size column either. The second addition was to have all the new additions
and corrections in it.

Harwood


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43437 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/13/2007
Subject: Re: Another ebay scam problem
MIKE..... Thats true...... I am just starting back up disposing of a few things and after reading all thats going on I am having second thoughts.... I just had one item i bought in Dec..... Never came.... the man said he shipped it and the PO returned it as un deliverable..... I sent the notes to e-bay..... Within a few minutes of mentioning FRAUD to the PO..... My PP account jumped back up and his note said he was refunding all my money!!!!..... This seller is OK by me...... I see what happened to him.... Will keep bidding on it......
NOW MY QUESTION TO ALL...... if you wanted to sell a small amount...... In the small to medium range and covering many different fields from TRAINS, AF, MTH< LIONEL, Hot wheels, model airplane kits, etc..... Who would you all reccommend as being really fair..... I NEED ROOM.... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Anormal1@...
To: rcon7@...
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another ebay scam problem


Bob,
And I-bay has helped them by hiding the bidders ID's. They say this is for our protection, but it really is so you can't offer another bidder an item outside of I-Bay. Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43438 From: Chris Date: 2/13/2007
Subject: Flyonel Dining Car ??? Not really a dining car !!!
Actually Phil, we're all on the same side of this issue. We bemoan
lack of details, but we still like what we have. I mix 'em up. I
have Marx 3/16 and Lionel 027 cars on Flyer trucks. I have an AM
Northern. I run modern well cars and Flyer circus cars. I like 'em
all!

Now, as to accurate scale, I just saw something on e-Bomb. The URL is
below, or, you could just put Item #200079006582 into the e-Bay
search. It don't get more scale than this, but they are offering free
hi-rail wheels for the asking.

The company is YardMaster Models. They display at York all the time
(Purple Hall, I think). They make all these incredibly detailed
military cars, mostly long flats with mil loads. They sell them pre-
weathered and RTR. They make really nice stuff, but always in 0
scale. This is their first venture into S. Any of you military guys
or anyone interested in running a mil train should take a lookie.
Let's be encouraging to any one who builds in S. Send them a note,
ask for literature and identify yourself as an S gauger. Even if you
don't want to buy this one, give them some written feedback that they
are on the right track.

Chris Zizzo




http://cgi.ebay.com/Military-Flat-Custom-Ltd-Ed-US-Army-
YardMasterModels_W0QQitemZ200079006582QQihZ010QQcategoryZ16509QQrdZ1QQc
mdZViewItem
Group: S-Trains Message: 43439 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 2/13/2007
Subject: Re: 660 Series Passenger Sets
The only engine that goes with these three cars as a grouping in chrome is
the 405 PA in the 5205W Silver Streak set.

Bob Bubeck



In a message dated 2/13/2007 1:46:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

I have a set of the 660, 661, 662 chromed (not aluminum) passenger cars.
Can someone tell me what the proper engines are for this set?

Thanks.

Jim E.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 43440 From: Eric R. Date: 2/13/2007
Subject: American Flyer Books listed on Ebay
I have just listed 3 American flyer books on ebay.



1. AC Gilberts Heritage by Heimburger


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%
3AIT&viewitem=&item=290083413765&rd=1&rd=1





2. AF S Gauge operating and repair manual by Tom Barker:



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%
3AIT&viewitem=&item=290083421464&rd=1&rd=1



3. Complete Service manual for American Flyer Trains by Aurotech (later
by Klein):



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%
3AIT&viewitem=&item=290083415360&rd=1&rd=1





Eric Reis

Kenmore, Wa.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43441 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 2/13/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3336
Earl,

1. You point about the dining car is well-taken. Your comment did prompt me
to go looking a bit. For what it is worth, I did come across pictures of cafe
coaches (which are not the same thing) with all four vestibule doors (page
383 in Staufer's Pennsy Power III).

2. The letter board area on the Pullman observation car "Colonel Lindbergh"
(on page 387, same reference) appears to be fairly deep. I shall defer to
others with good blueprints. The effect that you point out is accentuated by the
UP decoration which has a fairly broad gray band below the armor yellow
along the bottom edge of the car body. The visual situation looks better with
the Chicago and Alton cars, which are the aesthetically more successful, IMHO.

3. I have a 4501, as well, and generally like it. Aside from some variances
in the running boards and the missing pin stripping on the sand dome, the
model is a reasonable representation. The tender is somewhat too long, as well,
but the electronics had to go somewhere.

Cordially,

Bob Bubeck


In a message dated 2/13/2007 1:46:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Its rare that I will buy anything Flyonel or say anything complimentary
about Flyonel products. The Southern Mikado was an exception, though I would not
have purchased it if I had not been a big fan of the excursion locomotive
4501
which this model tried to represent.
. . . . . . . .
But I have again made a Flyonel purchase of the 4 car Union Pacific
heavyweight set. I got it because of the dining car, which I may decorate for another
road. The graphics are really nice but Union Pacific does not fit in with
the theme of my model railroad. I admit that I was impressed by the open end
platform area of the observation car. But the dining car was a big
disappointment. In fact it is a stretch to call it a dining car. The disappointment was
immediate when I saw that there were vestibule doors at one end. And the
vestibule doors are not at the end of the car where the kitchen would be
located. Flyonel's streamlined dining car also has this goof, but I never have
considered it a dining car. Rather it is a coach with a different window
arrangement. But the heavyweight dining car is a newly tooled product, not a clone
of a coach or any of the other heavyweights. Flyonel could have just as
easily have left off the vestibule doors and instead could have designed
appropriate doors for supplying the kitchen. Instead there are no doors to supply the
kitchen. Another reason I do not consider this car to be a diner is the
placement of passenger silhouettes in the windows that represented the kitchen
end. Call it a Club Car but not a Dining Car. In summary, I believe the
person(s) who designed the dining car did not understand anything about a dining
car.
. . . . . .
I find it interesting that the 2007 heavyweight sets make no mention of a
dining car. Yet the graphic images on their web site clearly show that the car
they have previously called a dining car is included. But apparently it is
the car they refer to as a sleeper.
. . . .
Another comment about the new Flyonel heavyweights. Most buyers are not
going to be ask picky as I, and I will admit that these cars look pretty nice at
first glance. But the area of the car above the windows is too high. I am
referring to the letterboard area. This is another part of the design I do not
understand.
. . . .
Earl Henry, Nashville





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43442 From: convert87 Date: 2/14/2007
Subject: Flyonel Northern
I received the following reply from Lionel Tech today. Has anyone
else had communication with Lionel about the Squeek instead of choo-
choo in the new northerns?

Hi,

That is the normal sound for those northerns - there is a longer
gasket we can send you
which with minimize the sound, however it doesn't change the pitch or
tone of the sound.

Thanks
Lionel Tech.

Rolland
Group: S-Trains Message: 43443 From: Jerry Poniatowski Date: 2/14/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3336
Hi Bob,

Is there some way you could scan that photo for the rest of us, so we
could see what the prototype car looked like?

I sill like the cars. May get the PRR ones too.

Jerry Poniatowski
Wayne, MI

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Earl,
>
> 1. You point about the dining car is well-taken. Your comment did
prompt me
> to go looking a bit. For what it is worth, I did come across
pictures of cafe
> coaches (which are not the same thing) with all four vestibule doors
(page
> 383 in Staufer's Pennsy Power III).
>
> 2. The letter board area on the Pullman observation car "Colonel
Lindbergh"
> (on page 387, same reference) appears to be fairly deep.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43444 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/14/2007
Subject: BLATENT E-BAY AD.- S HERALS SET
Closing tommororw is an almost complete set of the old S Herald...... 300079815833

Also use the link to check out many other S magazine lots, bound volumn, boxes and lots or hard stuff.... Bob.... RCON7.... chief-pile-it

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43445 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/14/2007
Subject: Flyonel Northern
Well, that goes to show you that they still dont know what they did wrong
and dont seem to care to make it right.

Harwood



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43446 From: Flyvw64@aol.com Date: 2/14/2007
Subject: All Electronics Corp - Parts, Supplies and Components
Great for anything electronics +

Harwood

_All Electronics Corp - Parts, Supplies and Components_
(http://www.allelectronics.com/)


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43447 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 2/15/2007
Subject: Lionel Tech.
I have had words with Lionel about bad wheels on my Rockland jeep, just a
lot of talk from them, no interest to correct the problem.
Still wafting for my Track Gang from Lionel set for delivery last April,
ordered and paid for last March. I don't need any more Flyonel.
Jerry HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 43448 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 2/15/2007
Subject: Re: More on the new AF Heavies
Jerry,

Not without skirting copyright laws. I did try Googling to find something to
link to for you, but with no success. Much of the on-line archives contain
pictures of passenger cars that are too modern, too modified, or in too great
a state of disrepair. I can bring the book along to the next SMSG meeting, if
that would help.

I looked in my copy of Beebe's "Twentieth Century" and it appears that the
NYC had a fleet of Pullman heavyweights that the new Lionel AF heavyweights
represent pretty well, complete with a fairly deep letter board area and window
placement similar to what Lionel has made. Just for the fun of it, I also
dragged out a few of my Lionel O gauge 18" heavyweights to compare the AFs
against. The AFs are very similar, scaled to 3/16" of course. My O gauge
$tation$ound$ cars (which are specifically intended to be dining cars) have only two
vestibule doors, in agreement with what Earl was suggesting.

Cordially,

Bob Bubeck


In a message dated 2/15/2007 6:42:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Hi Bob,

Is there some way you could scan that photo for the rest of us, so we
could see what the prototype car looked like?

I sill like the cars. May get the PRR ones too.

Jerry Poniatowski
Wayne, MI

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
rbubeck327@., rbu
>
>
>
> Earl,
>
> 1. You point about the dining car is well-taken. Your comment did prompt
me to go looking a bit. For what it is worth, I did come across
pictures of cafe coaches (which are not the same thing) with all four
vestibule doors (page 383 in Staufer's Pennsy Power III).
>
> 2. The letter board area on the Pullman observation car "Colonel
Lindbergh" (on page 387, same reference) appears to be fairly deep.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 43449 From: bandmancwc Date: 2/15/2007
Subject: Animated Track Gang
Hi has anyone heard anything on the animated track gang? Is the
project still in the works, or has it been dropped? Thanks...Bill
Group: S-Trains Message: 43450 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/15/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel Tech.
I too, ordered a Lionel Track Gang, Jerry, but I was lucky enough to have ordered from a place that did not charge me yet for the item, since they did not have it yet. I check in ever once in awhile and I am still on record to receive one, when they came in. Then I will be billed for it.

At least the shop has not taken any money for it yet, as that is probably unusual in today's business world.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Dobbs
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:51 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Tech.


I have had words with Lionel about bad wheels on my Rockland jeep, just a
lot of talk from them, no interest to correct the problem.
Still wafting for my Track Gang from Lionel set for delivery last April,
ordered and paid for last March. I don't need any more Flyonel.
Jerry HR77-11644




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43451 From: Mark Preman Date: 2/15/2007
Subject: The 20% Off Sale Continues - Blatant Ad
The sale for February is 20% off anything that has green on it.(subject to prior sale). Check out all the possiblities at http://www.americanflyertrains.com

I promise, no hassles like on ebay!
Mark


Mark B. Preman
AmericanFlyerTrains.com

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43452 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/15/2007
Subject: Re: The 20% Off Sale Continues - Blatant Ad
MARK..... I can't see anu GREEN ITEMS....... BOB

From: Mark Preman
Subject: [S-Trains] The 20% Off Sale Continues - Blatant Ad


The sale for February is 20% off anything that has green on it.(subject to prior sale). Check out all the possiblities at http://www.americanflyertrains.com

I promise, no hassles like on ebay!
Mark

Mark B. Preman
AmericanFlyerTrains.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 43453 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 2/15/2007
Subject: Re: The 20% Off Sale Continues - -Blatant add
To all who look at Marks website.

Look up in the top part ehere he lists sections of his site for quick
reference, click on odds and ends and you will find the green numbered
item that he is talking abuot. I did this because he may be one of the
many that lost power due to the latest snow storm.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43454 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/15/2007
Subject: Fw: [dairycollectors] Re: Anyone else watching the Wild Folk bottle
Someone on the S list had a complaint about ebay being talked about on the list.

I and a few others mentioned that ebay is part of the world of trains, as the email below is from another group I am on, is a good example of a email about ebay.

Ebay is part of this world for collectables, as even on a clarinet list I am on, ebay seems to come up allot about clarinet items.

I almost bided on this bottle but past it up, as the animal on the bottle, is a favorite animal and now I learned that the price that the bottle went for was a bargain! Oh well.

Maybe a tip like this might come along from someone on some AF item I am looking for.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: cowmasta
To: dairycollectors@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 12:43 AM
Subject: [dairycollectors] Re: Anyone else watching the Wild Folk bottle on eBay?


--- In dairycollectors@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Hamm" <rdhamm@...> wrote:
>
>
> 37 bids so far -> Link
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130077596471>
>
It is a semi-rare Southeast PA bottle (page 32 of Udderly Splended).
3 years ago one brought $450 at a local auction and one is for sale
now for $300 firm. That was actually a bargain. Location in listing
title (PA) was missing as usual.I generally save 25-75% on locals (SE
PA) not listed easily, just depends if someone else stumbles upon it
too.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43455 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/15/2007
Subject: Re: The 20% Off Sale Continues - Blatant Ad
Bob,

You need the special "green" seeking glasses.

It's funny, as a local weekly has been doing the same thing, see a green dot, be the first 5 or so, in a car ad, get $25 off a deal. I have not yet seen the green dot!

Must be something in the water, to be causing everyone to do green dot sales.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Mark Preman
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The 20% Off Sale Continues - Blatant Ad


MARK..... I can't see anu GREEN ITEMS....... BOB

From: Mark Preman
Subject: [S-Trains] The 20% Off Sale Continues - Blatant Ad

The sale for February is 20% off anything that has green on it.(subject to prior sale). Check out all the possiblities at http://www.americanflyertrains.com

I promise, no hassles like on ebay!
Mark

Mark B. Preman
AmericanFlyerTrains.com





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43456 From: Tim Benner Date: 2/15/2007
Subject: Re: The 20% Off Sale Continues - Blatant Ad
I can vouch for the no ebay hassles... I just got a 322 from Mark. It was
easy as 1 2 3.

1. I PayPal-ed him the price we agreed upon.

2. He shipped the 322 which runs and smokes like he said it would.

3. Nobody outbid me by four cents with 3 seconds remaining. What a
concept!

It doesn't get much better that that. Maybe next I'll see about those green
stripe 960s

Tim Benner


On 2/15/07, Mark Preman <americanflyertrains@...> wrote:
>
> The sale for February is 20% off anything that has green on it.(subject
> to prior sale). Check out all the possiblities at
> http://www.americanflyertrains.com
>
> I promise, no hassles like on ebay!
> Mark
>
> Mark B. Preman
> AmericanFlyerTrains.com
>
> ---------------------------------
> It's here! Your new message!
> Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43457 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/15/2007
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] higher prices
I could not resist writing the below as on the TCA list, they are talking about higher prices for O gauge items, as I assume O gauge, as very few over there talk about S.

I was only having a bit of fun with this, as the below has been true for some of my purchases, as I know S is growing and that Don Thompson on this list, runs a fine S gauge products company.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 7:32 PM
Subject: [toytrains] higher prices


Mark,

Get rid of those oversize O gauge trains that run on 3 rail non-existent track.

Then like Jerry Matsick, convert over to S gauge.

Wait for the hobby shops to stock S products.

Watch as those boxes sit on the shelve collecting dust

Watch as the hobby shop owner use cash flow to purchased these S products.

Watch as the shop has a reduce inventory sale on S, as you now can get great S items at 75% off his sale price, as he vows never again to buy S products.

Buy those products at bargain prices.

Then next year, find a new hobby shop who decides to sell S products for the first time, as the one, you just wiped out of S, will never sell them again. And so on.

Problem solved of higher prices when you can get lower prices on S products.

Actually the above was just in fun, as there are some great S products out, but I have gotten some nice S stuff, greatly reduced at a shop in York, as I can't remember the name, as you turn down a country road off US 30, at York from Nicholas Smith, Choo Choo Barn, etc.

However, I think is doing well, and hopefully those days are long gone, of shops reducing prices on S.

Mike Marmer


> < Joe,
My point is, the trains of today are way over priced. I don't buy this inflation story.
> Let's be realistic. Wages don't even keep up with inflation, unless you're one of those
lucky ones to have a government supplied job that has a C.OL agreement, or can vote yourself a pay raise.
i.e. Congress. The average person can not afford such an expense of a luxury hobby. Especially, with having to
supply health insurance, fuel costs and many other necessities.
> Collectables aside, it's strictly a supply and demand story. If L or M wanted to sell for less, they could
as shown by Williams and Kline. Henry Ford, proved it could be done.

> I beg to differ with you on the MPC units, I have all 4, and with a minor alteration
(lead weight placed over the rear trucks) they pull like a son-of-gun. The units were just too
light.

Mark





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43458 From: Mark Preman Date: 2/16/2007
Subject: My 20% Off Sale is Too Complicated?
Ok guys, I thought even S gaugers would understand this.......................

When I said "20% off of anything with green on it I was speaking literally. Is a 931 gondola green? Are there streamlined passenger cars with a green stripe? Are there green jewels or even a green wire on any American Flyer locos? Green generator on a 646 flat? Green base on Guilford Station? Will I get some green if I sell something - Ha Ha!

All I was doing was trying to have some fun and sell some goodies to my friends on the S-Trains list.

Didn't mean to confuse ya! Mark


Mark B. Preman
AmericanFlyerTrains.com

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43459 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 2/16/2007
Subject: Re: Still more on heavies!
Dear Colleagues:

OK. Here's a link to a picture of a CNJ heavyweight (4 wheel trucks) which
was a former Blue Comet observation car 1178 (ex. Biela, ex. Monmouth). A deep
letter board can be easily seen and that the windows line up along the
middle of the side like the new Flyonels. This example has not been heavy modified
or updated, so it is physically very much as it was in the 1930s. The paint
scheme is atrocious.;) I also found a picture ("Jersey Central Lines in
Color, Vol. 2, Brennan, page 124) of this car from the 1950s in CNJ green in
happier days.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=623803

Have fun looking around this site.

Speaking of the Blue Comet, if Lionel makes this train with their new
Pacific, it would be incorrect, strictly speaking. The Blue Comet was pulled by a
CNJ P-52 class heavy Pacific fitted with a Wooten firebox.

Bob Bubeck



In a message dated 2/16/2007 7:04:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Jerry,

Not without skirting copyright laws. I did try Googling to find something to
link to for you, but with no success. Much of the on-line archives contain
pictures of passenger cars that are too modern, too modified, or in too great
a state of disrepair. I can bring the book along to the next SMSG meeting, if
that would help.

I looked in my copy of Beebe's "Twentieth Century" and it appears that the
NYC had a fleet of Pullman heavyweights that the new Lionel AF heavyweights
represent pretty well, complete with a fairly deep letter board area and window
placement similar to what Lionel has made. Just for the fun of it, I also
dragged out a few of my Lionel O gauge 18" heavyweights to compare the AFs
against. The AFs are very similar, scaled to 3/16" of course. My O gauge
$tation$ound$ cars (which are specifically intended to be dining cars) have only two
vestibule doors, in agreement with what Earl was suggesting.

Cordially,

Bob Bubeck


In a message dated 2/15/2007 6:42:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) writes:

Hi Bob,

Is there some way you could scan that photo for the rest of us, so we could
see what the prototype car looked like?

I sill like the cars. May get the PRR ones too.

Jerry Poniatowski
Wayne, MI

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogrou--- In _S-Trains@yah_S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_
(mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) ,
rbubeck327@.rbube
>
>
>
> Earl,
>
> 1. You point about the dining car is well-taken. Your comment did prompt
me to go looking a bit. For what it is worth, I did come across pictures of
cafe coaches (which are not the same thing) with all four
vestibule doors (page 383 in Staufer's Pennsy Power III).
>
> 2. The letter board area on the Pullman observation car "Colonel
Lindbergh" (on page 387, same reference) appears to be fairly deep.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 43460 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/16/2007
Subject: Re: My 20% Off Sale is Too Complicated?
***(((Ok guys, I thought even S gaugers would understand this.......................
When I said "20% off of anything with green on it I was speaking literally. Is a 931 gondola green? ))***

I'm with ya Mark. That's the way I took it. :^)


Rick.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 43461 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/16/2007
Subject: Re: My 20% Off Sale is Too Complicated?
OK Mark & Rick,
Some of us just got the 3/16 & 1/64 thing.
Then Mark throws a 20%, 1/5, 2/10, .2, .20 thing at us then muddies the
math with color. Mike ( State of Confusion)


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43462 From: Tim Benner Date: 2/16/2007
Subject: Questions on SIT tuneup
Can anyone offer some advice on tweaking SIT units? I just acquired a
322 with SIT. It makes plenty of smoke and runs well but the SIT
motor sometimes (1 in 20) gets 'stuck' after turning thoe power off.
So i disconnected the tender from the engine and took off the shell
and placed it on the tracks.

The motor was not overheating and although the brushes/commutator
spark a little it runs right up to speed... perhaps a little too
fast. The brushes are both worn so I plan to replace them. The
strange thing is that the bottom brush is worn more than the top one.
The motor shaft has some fore and aft play, maybe 3/32" which doesn't
seem too excessive.

The bellows seems supple enough, but the fiber gear which engages the
worm seems to have a lot of up and down play. Perhaps this is normal?

I appreciate any advice you may have.

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 43463 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/16/2007
Subject: Re: My 20% Off Sale is Too Complicated?
Mark,

I am not sure if I am the only one having this problem with your website lately, but every time I click on it, I get a message box say "click to run an ActiveX control on this webpage". I click the box and then I get thrown off the site.

Any ideas what this is about, anyone? All other WebPages I have no problems logging in.

Must be the green stuff. O:)!

Actually, the color bit reminds of the classic lines from Monty Python and the Holy Grail movie, or maybe the next poll on this site could be what color should be promoted next on your next sale! Just kidding.

Mike (who computer is in a state of confusion in MD, not OR)


----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Evans
To: STrains
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] My 20% Off Sale is Too Complicated?


***(((Ok guys, I thought even S gaugers would understand this......................
When I said "20% off of anything with green on it I was speaking literally. Is a 931 gondola green? ))***

I'm with ya Mark. That's the way I took it. :^)

Rick.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43464 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 2/16/2007
Subject: Re: Still more on heavies! Flyonel vs. CNJ Prototype ?
In a message dated 2/16/2007 11:52:49 AM Central Standard Time,
rbubeck327@... writes:
OK. Here's a link to a picture of a CNJ heavyweight (4 wheel trucks) which
was a former Blue Comet observation car 1178 (ex. Biela, ex. Monmouth). A
deep
letter board can be easily seen and that the windows line up along the
middle of the side like the new Flyonels.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - -
Very interesting. The area above the windows does look tall. In my humble
opinion this is less than on the Flyonel heavyweight car. It looks like to me
that the windows on the Flyonel cars are almost centered between the roof and
the bottom of the car sides, with equal height above and below the windows,
and that is what looks strange to me. . . . . . . Also of note, is
the C of NJ car the prototype for the American Models heavyweight observation ?
Maybe Don Thompson will answer that.
. . . . . . .
- Earl Henry, Jr., Nashville, TN


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43465 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 2/16/2007
Subject: Re: CRRofNJ - The Blue Comet
Dear Don,

Agreed. I showed the photo to indicate to the folks that heavyweights were
built with deep letter boards, which is where this discussion started. The
vertical window placement is pretty close to what Lionel did on their S-gauge
HWs. If Lionel builds a Blue comet with all the cars having 6 wheel trucks,
this will be in error, too. Although it will be a pretty train, you may have
surmised that I will not be preordering a Blue Comet. I don't count every rivet,
but if the catalog is correctly displaying the incorrectness then the errors
mount up for me on this one. The Pacific type is my biggest problem.

All this aside, I still greatly prefer the new L-AF heavies over the AM. ;-)

Cordially,

Bob Bubeck


In a message dated 2/16/2007 3:26:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
don@... writes:

Dear Bob,
The American Model combine, coach and observation are all modeled after the
CRRofNJ passenger cars that became The Blue Comet in 1928. The inaugural
running was on February 21st. It was an all reserve coach that operated from
New York City (actually Jersey City, NJ after a short ferry ride across the
Hudson river) to Atlantic City. As indicated in the photo you provided, these
cars all had 4 wheel trucks, only the baggage car and the full length cafe car
(also the same body as American Models sans truss rods) had six wheel
trucks.
Don





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43466 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 2/16/2007
Subject: Re: CRRofNJ - The Blue Comet
Anybody have pictures of the real thing??


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43467 From: keefer1 Date: 2/16/2007
Subject: british car collector
Will the British car hobbyist please email me.Keith



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43468 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/16/2007
Subject: track question
I hope to be building the layout this year, as I am still torn over what track to use, as I have to make a decision and stay with it once I get this thing going.

I am pleased that Classic Trains finally got the switches in, but I am torn over using that track vs. Margraves.

I know I do not want to use AF since the ties are hollow and you have to add more ties underneath it. That to me, wont like too good. I like S Helper trains for the layout, but I do not want to use the track, as I want to do my own ballast, to give it more of a realistic look.

I like the look and solid rail of Classic, but I am wondering how lost that track will be with trains running and sitting on it.

I like the height of the ties of Gargaves, as I am wondering, if those ties are more in scale proportion to the train vs. Classic Track.

Yes, I know Gargraves is not solid rail, but will that really effect how the train run? Is that I am used to seeing AF and Gargraves track and that the Classic Track will not look lost on a layout?

I am just afraid that if I went with Classic Track, I wont be happy with the size of the ties vs. the size of the train.

I wonder if Classic Trains will have a booth in the Orange Hall as a dealer, as I have never seen them at before. The only time I ever saw the track was when Bob Board was at York and he did not have a booth last October. If Nick is reading this, I think having a booth would be a good thing for you.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43469 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/16/2007
Subject: Fw: Question for item #120087858102 - AMERICAN FLYER 24426 RATH PAC
Question for item #120087858102 - AMERICAN FLYER 24426 RATH PACKING REEFER NMIBI maybe getting a nasty hate email from this guy, as he claims the car is NM, as I think E to E-.

Think I pop the balloon on this one?

What do you think sirs? (A line taken from Mystery Science Theatre 3000, as no offense to any of the women on the list, like Barb!)

Mike
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Hi. You have a very nice Rath Reefer, but I don't think you can call that near mint. you have allot film on the wheels, that shows allot of track time, some major chips along the edge, dust on the roof, one sticker has edge problems.

E to maybe E minus. You should do well on this car, as the buyers can see and decide what to bid.

Best to you on the bid.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 43470 From: Jerry Matsick Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: AvailableSgauge
In 8 months our group of S Gauge sellers and buyers has grown to 256,
and yes it works, you can find items you are looking for, and sell
those items you no longer need, if you haven't joined yet, WELCOME, it
is fun just to read the S Train Classifieds, the best thing about it,
there are no FEES as on Ebay! Yall come on now! please go to: or
click here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/availablesgauge

Jerry Matsick
Moderator
Group: S-Trains Message: 43471 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Re;track question
Mike, do you want a "toy like" look, or a "scale like" look? Do you
ever intend to run scale wheeled equipment on this layout?
Gargraves ties and rail are too high for "scale" as is the rail as
far as appearence goes. The Gargraves rail will not work with scale
wheels. There is a slight difference in height between Gargraves
track and old Flyer switches which caused me minor hassles back when I
used that combination myself. Gargraves flex track is easy to bend
and pretty much stays bent, unlike all other flex track.
I have not used Classic track, but I imagine it is similar in
appearence and application to S Helper flex track which I'm very
familiar with. To get this style track up where you want it, you will
have to use cork roadbed under it. Putting down the roadbed,
mounting the track and ballasting will be just like the way it is done
in HO gauge (or N or any other scale track.)
Personally, I like the S Helper track, both sectional and flex types.
Stumpy Stone...sidetracked in Appalachia
Group: S-Trains Message: 43472 From: frank emiro Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Northern
You may want to check and see if the engines will only operate in forward after a period of time. Also you might want to phone call the repair department and speak to someone on the phone to see if they will repair the engine at Lionel. You might get the smoke unit repaired or replaced from the Lionel if you return it to the dealer you bought it from.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43473 From: Bill Adams Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Accessory Lighting
I got so frustrated trying to wire my AF stuff up to Brand X's
transformer, I just had to walk away from it. (I'ld rather raise the
five daughters again.....) So, I went to the craft store and bought
an arm full of balsa wood, a bucket of glue and some replacement
blades for the exacto knife. Now I have twenty-one (yep - - 21)
partially built scale buildings on my unfinished half wired incomplete
layout. I'm going to put lights in all the buildings and even
contemplated putting individual switches on some of them (more things
the grandkids can turn on and off). I'm looking for "advice"! Am I
better off wiring them 110 volt and use something like Christmas tree
lights or wire them 7-15 volt to a separate transformer? Any hints,
ideas or suggestions on what to use and how to set it up would be
appreciated. Wiring, as most of you should have guessed by now, is
not my claim to fame! The fire extinguishers have all been refilled
and the back-up portable generator is all gassed up.

(22" of snow this week in Rochester)
Group: S-Trains Message: 43474 From: Art Shifrin Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Preman's Greening, a sequel to Miller's Crossing?
I didn't get the meaning too. Or possibly two. Or possibly to. I also
didn't realize that I was getting into a real world who's on first? or I
dye for a living....

BTW Mark how much frozen slush have you had to dig, chop & scrape off of
your driveway?

Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk

Shiffy



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43475 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
Hi Bill,



Don’t use 110 volts on your layout. The danger is severe to you, your
visitors and your heirs.



It sounds like you have found the fun of making models and that is a sweet
thing.



I like the idea of using Christmas tree lights cut off from the strings.
They have those sockets to make them easily replaceable. They seem really
cheap to me and they will run on low voltage. I do have one problem; I do
not know the current draw for those things. The packages indicate they need
about 3 ½ volts each. Since all of my accessory power supplies produce more
than that, I know I need a resistor in series to limit the current draw from
the source. If someone has knowledge of the current draw, I can do the
arithmetic, try some resistors and offer my experience, a technique and a
source of the parts to the group. If so, we could have nice, safe lights for
10 cents or less, each.



Here are some choices I have tried:



In the meantime, another good bet is to use grain of wheat bulbs from most
hobby shops or online suppliers. They will work with the 12 to 17 volts we
see on the accessory terminals.



I have also used some of the little sockets and bulbs from NJ International.
They cost a little more, but, the bulbs are replaceable and the sockets come
with built-in tripod mounting hardware.



Walthers also offers some little tubes and sockets that work well. Both of
these last two choices cost a few dollars per light, so, we would need to
pay for the convenience.



Radio Shack sells some small sockets and lamps. I have mounted those sockets
in the plastic containers that my daughter’s contact lenses came in. It
worked pretty well.



Good Luck,

Bill





Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Bill Adams
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 10:35 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Accessory Lighting



I got so frustrated trying to wire my AF stuff up to Brand X's
transformer, I just had to walk away from it. (I'ld rather raise the
five daughters again.....) So, I went to the craft store and bought
an arm full of balsa wood, a bucket of glue and some replacement
blades for the exacto knife. Now I have twenty-one (yep - - 21)
partially built scale buildings on my unfinished half wired incomplete
layout. I'm going to put lights in all the buildings and even
contemplated putting individual switches on some of them (more things
the grandkids can turn on and off). I'm looking for "advice"! Am I
better off wiring them 110 volt and use something like Christmas tree
lights or wire them 7-15 volt to a separate transformer? Any hints,
ideas or suggestions on what to use and how to set it up would be
appreciated. Wiring, as most of you should have guessed by now, is
not my claim to fame! The fire extinguishers have all been refilled
and the back-up portable generator is all gassed up.

(22" of snow this week in Rochester)




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43476 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
***(((Radio Shack sells some small sockets and lamps.)))***

That's what I use on my little seasonal layout, powered by a HO transformer, hooked up
in a way that they can be dimmed, or brightened. I ran the wires back to a bus (or is it "buss")
then hooked to the trannie. I color the clear bulbs a amber color using glass dye, really easy.
I like the amber glow much better then the bright, white glow.

I have not used them yet, but I have been collecting those little plastic "table" looking goodies
that come with pizzas. Know what I mean? Drill a hole in the middle and insert the little light socket to
raise them up higher. Mine stick out/up from the layout board's surface right now.

I have one amber grain-o-wheat bulb hooked up under a Plasticville water tower, hasn't burnt out yet, but I
like the mini-bulbs & sockets because it's much easier to replace a bulb.

Rick.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43477 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
I use the 3.5 volt lights in a series of 4 or 5 off a flyer 16V transformer to light buildings.
I don't know the wattage but it has to be small. Remember that a whole string of 100 runs with a plug fused at low amperage.
Chuck Smith, http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith
On matters of style swim with the current.
On matters of substance stand like a rock.
Thos. Jefferson (may be paraphrased)
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 12:59 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Accessory Lighting


Hi Bill,

Don't use 110 volts on your layout. The danger is severe to you, your
visitors and your heirs.

It sounds like you have found the fun of making models and that is a sweet
thing.

I like the idea of using Christmas tree lights cut off from the strings.
They have those sockets to make them easily replaceable. They seem really
cheap to me and they will run on low voltage. I do have one problem; I do
not know the current draw for those things. The packages indicate they need
about 3 ½ volts each. Since all of my accessory power supplies produce more
than that, I know I need a resistor in series to limit the current draw from
the source. If someone has knowledge of the current draw, I can do the
arithmetic, try some resistors and offer my experience, a technique and a
source of the parts to the group. If so, we could have nice, safe lights for
10 cents or less, each.

Here are some choices I have tried:

In the meantime, another good bet is to use grain of wheat bulbs from most
hobby shops or online suppliers. They will work with the 12 to 17 volts we
see on the accessory terminals.

I have also used some of the little sockets and bulbs from NJ International.
They cost a little more, but, the bulbs are replaceable and the sockets come
with built-in tripod mounting hardware.

Walthers also offers some little tubes and sockets that work well. Both of
these last two choices cost a few dollars per light, so, we would need to
pay for the convenience.

Radio Shack sells some small sockets and lamps. I have mounted those sockets
in the plastic containers that my daughter's contact lenses came in. It
worked pretty well.

Good Luck,

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Bill Adams
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 10:35 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Accessory Lighting

I got so frustrated trying to wire my AF stuff up to Brand X's
transformer, I just had to walk away from it. (I'ld rather raise the
five daughters again.....) So, I went to the craft store and bought
an arm full of balsa wood, a bucket of glue and some replacement
blades for the exacto knife. Now I have twenty-one (yep - - 21)
partially built scale buildings on my unfinished half wired incomplete
layout. I'm going to put lights in all the buildings and even
contemplated putting individual switches on some of them (more things
the grandkids can turn on and off). I'm looking for "advice"! Am I
better off wiring them 110 volt and use something like Christmas tree
lights or wire them 7-15 volt to a separate transformer? Any hints,
ideas or suggestions on what to use and how to set it up would be
appreciated. Wiring, as most of you should have guessed by now, is
not my claim to fame! The fire extinguishers have all been refilled
and the back-up portable generator is all gassed up.

(22" of snow this week in Rochester)


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43478 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
**((That's what I use on my little seasonal layout, powered by a HO transformer,))**

OK, I fibbed. I forgot that I quit using the HO trainne years ago and replaced it with
an AF 1-1/2 B trannie. I use another 1-1/2B for my Marx light towers.

Rick.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43479 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Warning Ebay 322 question
Look at auction 200076374013 this is for a SIT 322.

It went for $405.00. It looks like it is in very nice shape. Can
anyone provide any input as to why it went so high?

I am hoping to learn something about some obscure variation, or detail
I haven't noticed.

Plus I have the same or similar engine and perhaps I should not be
hauling freight with it.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43480 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: LED resistors
_Ligh_ (http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/led.htm) LED Series Resistor
Try this link. The leds need a 1K resistor to operate on 12V. Much
safer & will last forever. Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43481 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/led.htm

Try this web site for LED's Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 43482 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: basket case update
I wrote a couple of weeks ago about a pair of switches I got in 1991 during a trip to Maine, as the switches did not work and I was told they were useless.

Well, I got them working very well, after cleaning up the contacts.

However, one switch had two broken screw holes for the metal cover to be attached to the base.

I used my dermal to cut out the plastic that was left and cut some wood and glued it in place. It worked great, but the wood I used was too soft, so one piece I had to redo with a stronger type of wood. It is re-glued now, so hopefully tonight it will be put back together. The first wood I used was shoe molding, as I use some deck wood, which is real strong.

So, the switches will live on.

This is a set of switches from the 40's I think, as there is a metal lever, that pokes through the body by the switch light on the switch There is two pieces of metal base. The one piece that covers the switch arm seems to slow it down. Not sure if that due to the wood, being too tall, as I did measure how to how it, but I think maybe a washer between the wood and the metal might make the difference, as when I loosen the screws, it works great.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43483 From: Phil K Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: TO ALL MEMBERS ------- Regarding receiving offensive emails
Many of you already are aware of this grave issue. Unfortunately, it
shows no signs of abating -- rather, it seems to be getting worse --
so a message to all members seems necessary. As one of the moderators
(and a frequent target), I gave this issue much thought the last few
days -- and decided failing to address it immediately might cause
some members to quit the group, here it is.

The problem is repeated offensive and derisive emails being sent to S-
Trains members off-line. Many of those who received emails from this
person have become very upset, as the messages are not of the
character we generally expect from fellow group members. Those
affected have chosen to report these incidents offline in order to
not distress others in our group.

Plain and simple, the offender is an obnoxious person and should be
ignored. Please understand this and do not let him or his crazy
ramblings upset you. You are not his only victim, and you did nothing
wrong.

These emails can contain negative comments relating to posts made to
the board. Some of the emails contain deranged, wild accusations that
do not relate to model trains or a post on the board. Many are of a
divisive, hateful political nature. He also has a habit of making
libelous and slanderous statements about Doug Peck of Portlines
Hobbies, a genteel type who is widely considered as one of the most
reputable dealers in the hobby.

These poorly-spelled, void-of-grammar and often unintelligible emails
are originating from an angry former member who was permanently
banned over two years ago for a number of violations of S-Trains
Group rules. He also has been banned -- I assume for similar reasons -
- from Jerry Matsick's "Available S Gauge" Yahoo group.

He thinks he's clever by using several aliases. Among them
are "polpolk9", "AFMoose", "Robert Crotty" and "Jay@yahoo". Some of
you may have purchased items from him as Jay Walsh, his real name.
Somehow he manages to run his emails through a server that changes
his IP address every time he sends an email. However, we have found
another method to trace him.

The suggestion here is to simply ignore him. Block his email. Do not
copy text from his arguments and post it here with a rebuttal,
because that only gives him access to our S-Trains forum "through the
back door." If you feel a need to respond, then do it offline.
Personally, the emails he sends to me do not bother me in the least --
I am amused at the volume of stupidity they convey.

Thanks for cooperating. While it is disappointing to make this
announcement, I guarantee he's not worth wasting one millisecond of
your valuable time.

Phil K

NOTE: I am gathering a file on Mr. Walsh. Please forward any
offensive emails to me so we can add to our case.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43484 From: George Cohn Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
Bill Porter wrote:
>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Don’t use 110 volts on your layout. The danger is severe to you, your
> visitors and your heirs.

Yep, many years ago, the drive-in theaters used 110 volt bulbs in their
hanger boxes but switched to 24 volt bulbs just for that reason. Didn't
want to fry a customer who ran over a pole!

Most of the original AF stuff used screw in 18 volt bulbs which are
readily available from most of the vendors. I bought a box of 100 which
should last me the rest of my life.

Some of them carry the sockets or you can get them at Radio Shack or
http://www.allelectronics.com

I've never used the smaller grain of wheat lamps as I like something I
can replace without a lot of hassle.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 43485 From: Michael Lueck Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Trip Pics - Estonia 2006 - Including Trains!!! ;-)
Greetings S-Trains list members,

"Better late than never?"

http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/pianoman/vacation/eesti2006/

I managed to get some photos uploaded. Currently I do not receive any list emails, so be sure to email me directly.

I have had some trouble with the server "loosing" resize and/or thumbnail pics. So if you see a pic missing, just send an email and let me know where the missing pic was.

Blessings,
Michael
Group: S-Trains Message: 43486 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Re: Warning Ebay 322 question
In a message dated 2/17/2007 2:02:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
robbe_wan@... writes:

200076374013


Looks to be 1946 version with that tender, can't see the coupler. I guess
nice 46 Hudsons are somewhat hard to come by.

Harwood


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43487 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Re: Warning Ebay 322 question
The NYC is more$ than the American Flyer Lines (Tender). Also it looks like
new except for what was noted. It still has the "out of the box" shine. And
the big thing is it was listed just when those that are looking for the 322
NYC all saw it & had to have it. Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43488 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Re: [toytrains] basket case update
Had a small set back on the wood part repair.

The deck wood keeps cracking when I put this very small machine type screw into it.

I will have to fine something harder, like wood for making a train table which I might have plenty of soon.

Otherwise, switches are fine now.

Gee, wish it would be warmer as I would not be doing this train stuff! O:)!!!

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; Ralph Loveless
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 3:05 PM
Subject: [toytrains] basket case update


I wrote a couple of weeks ago about a pair of switches I got in 1991 during a trip to Maine, as the switches did not work and I was told they were useless.

Well, I got them working very well, after cleaning up the contacts.

However, one switch had two broken screw holes for the metal cover to be attached to the base.

I used my dremel to cut out the plastic that was left and cut some wood and glued it in place. It worked great, but the wood I used was too soft, so one piece I had to redo with a stronger type of wood. It is re-glued now, so hopefully tonight it will be put back together. The first wood I used was shoe molding, as I use some deck wood, which is real strong.

So, the switches will live on.

This is a set of switches from the 40's I think, as there is a metal lever, that pokes through the body by the switch light on the switch There is two pieces of metal base. The one piece that covers the switch arm seems to slow it down. Not sure if that due to the wood, being too tall, as I did measure how to how it, but I think maybe a washer between the wood and the metal might make the difference, as when I loosen the screws, it works great.

Mike Marmer




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43489 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: track
thanks to all who sent emails to the list and in private about track recommendations.

I appreciate the input.

I had planned from the beginning of using AF track back in 1991, so I purchased a ton of it in E+ to LN condition, the best with no rust.

Any one in need of some nice track, curves, straights, rerailers, switches, let me know.

But then, I saw American Models and then American S from Classic Trains and decided to use American S, as the detail and how it fits together is great. And now the switches are in.

Back in 2004, the week my retina problems started, as it went out at the TCA museum of all places and has been a nightmare since, I did purchase 12 curves and 6 straights of American S to see how it would look and how a train would run on it. Well, I was sold the minute I saw it and I never ran a train on it yet, until a few hours ago. I got some sample of roadbed from Vinylbed.

I guess I got a bit concern about the ties, since I am only used to seeing S train on AF or Gargraves track.

After getting the emails, I pulled this track up and FINALLY ran a train on it, a 293 engine with some cars. WOW, what a difference over AF track. The train runs so smooth, maybe due to the solid rail and that is just on a painters drop cloth. I think that is what I will do, as the track looks very good with the train on it.

Thanks for all the advice and help.

Just wait till I get this going, as then, you get the electrical question, like how to string up a line of controllers, switch and accessory button, how to use transformer, how many, for the train and then the accessories.

Hey, I might be too busy on this, I wont have time to look at ebay! Not.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43490 From: Bruce Papky Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Lettering Removal...B&O Docksider
I have Flyonel's B&O Docksider and am planning to remove the B&O lettering from the side of the cab. Any suggestions on how that can be done with relative ease and minimal damage to the paint?

Thanks.


Bruce

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43491 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: SHS track/local train store
What a shock I got today when I saw the local train store had some SHS straight track
on the counter with O, Ho, and N, I believe. They, in fun, always give me a bad time about
Flyer!
I think it's the first time I've seen the SHS track up close and personnel.
VERY nice looking.
I'm used to the old Flyer track with rubber road bed, sure made a difference in the sound
on my small board. For those that use SHS track right on the layout
board, how does it sound? (funny question, eh?)

Rick.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43492 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/17/2007
Subject: Re: Warning Ebay 322 question
Harwood...... You don't need the coupler...... the brass buttons and NEW YORK CENTRAL date it as 1946..... Maybe I ought to break up my LN set ??????? Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: HOwingsiii@...
To: robbe_wan@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Warning Ebay 322 question



In a message dated 2/17/2007 2:02:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
robbe_wan@... writes:

200076374013

Looks to be 1946 version with that tender, can't see the coupler. I guess
nice 46 Hudsons are somewhat hard to come by.

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43493 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 2/18/2007
Subject: Re: Warning Ebay 322 question
Guess I was half asleep when I viewed the picture.

Harwood


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43494 From: RCESpeak Date: 2/18/2007
Subject: SHS track/local train store
Hi Rick,

In answer to your "funny question" about how SHS track sounds, it
doesn't sound and that is the best complement I can give it. But there
are stipulations in my comment.

As you know I am a purist when it comes to Flyer. I only use Flyer
track on the layout. The SHS track is mounted in my town on
painted, blue styrofoam board. Also, I use it to run my trolley.
I love the look of it as it has a lower profile than the Flyer track
and looks so much better with the trolley being lower (closer
to the foam board). When vehicles are next to it, the perspective
is much more realistic.

I would suspect that you would have the same positives about the
track using it on your layout. Let us know if you decide to convert.

Barb
Group: S-Trains Message: 43495 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/18/2007
Subject: Re: [toytrains] basket case update
Basket case switch with the screw hole problem is fixed thanks for someone emailing, as several did, so kindly, with all kinds of suggestions.

The one that I used, was to flatten the end of the screw and of course making a pilot hole.

I used the dremel to cut the end off and it worked! The screw is very tight on the wood.

Also, to the S group, when I writing about Gargraves, I see my spell check changed it to Margraves, once or twice! Oops! I will add the new word Gargraves to my computer. But I wont be using that track afterall.

Off to see the MD /Duke Basketball game this evening!!!

GO TERPS!

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43496 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 2/18/2007
Subject: Re;SHS track/local train store
I converted from using old Flyer track and Gargraves track to S
Helper Service track a couple of years ago. I've used both the
sectional with roadbed and the flex track, and I've even combined
them. I like the much more realistic SHS track over Flyer or
Gargraves, plus you can run scale wheels on SHS track, which you can't
with Gargraves.
I build small, portable layouts on extruded styrofoam so there is no
sound problem as there might be with plywood. I have found that cars
with plastic wheels are quieter than those with metal wheels, but that
has nothing to do with the track itself of course.
My local train store(G & M Train & Hobby)carries plenty of SHS
track, possibly because I work there and possibly because it has
become so popular with other S gaugers in the area. The other two
stores in the area carry a bit of Flyonel trains, but no track. I
wonder what you're supposed to run them on?
Stumpy Stone...side tracked in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43497 From: Andrew Date: 2/18/2007
Subject: 751 A
Has anybody ever seen a 751A Log Loader with a Bake-a-lite base instead
of metal as it's suppose to be ? I purchased one in the original box
with the solinoid in a different place like the 751A should be . I have
a 751 and it's definitly not a 751 . Odd variation ? Andy
Group: S-Trains Message: 43498 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 2/18/2007
Subject: Re: SHS track
In a message dated 2/17/2007 9:32:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bassflyer@... writes:

I think it's the first time I've seen the SHS track up close and personnel.
VERY nice looking.



For those of you who may not have seen S-TRAX, I will have my remaining
supply with me in Allentown this coming Saturday and Sunday at the Allentown
Train Meet Associates (ATMA) First Frost Meet at the Fairgrounds, Allentown PA.
I am waiting for the promised container to arrive in New Jersey, BUT, I have
a few switches, some track and track accessories which I will be taking
along. Not to forget engines, cars and other SHS goodies, ALL attractively
priced, I might add.

Jim Lyle


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43499 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Questions on SIT tuneup
3. Questions on SIT tuneup
Posted by: "Tim Benner" tim.benner@... tbennerohio
Date: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:10 pm ((PST))

Can anyone offer some advice on tweaking SIT units? I just acquired a
322 with SIT. It makes plenty of smoke and runs well but the SIT
motor sometimes (1 in 20) gets 'stuck' after turning thoe power off.
So i disconnected the tender from the engine and took off the shell
and placed it on the tracks.



Tim:
Without seeing the SNT unit it in hard to pin down the problem. If the
motor stops and won't without start with out turning the armature, I
would say the motor has a bad field.
Jerry HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 43500 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Accessory Lighting
Using 110 volt power on train layout lighting is not a good idea unless
you are an experienced electrician.
110 voltage can be deadly
Jerry HR77-11644.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43501 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Re: Questions on SIT tuneup
Tim replacing the brushes should help some as longer brushes will
result in a little more spring force on the armature. I would suspect
that there may be a little buildup of residue on the armature causing
momentary lack of contact. If you have a way to dress the armature I
would advise that while replacing brushes as this might be the root
issue. Also don't forget to lightly lube the armature bushings.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Benner" <tim.benner@...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone offer some advice on tweaking SIT units? I just
acquired a
> 322 with SIT. It makes plenty of smoke and runs well but the SIT
> motor sometimes (1 in 20) gets 'stuck' after turning thoe power
off.
> So i disconnected the tender from the engine and took off the shell
> and placed it on the tracks.
>
> The motor was not overheating and although the brushes/commutator
> spark a little it runs right up to speed... perhaps a little too
> fast. The brushes are both worn so I plan to replace them. The
> strange thing is that the bottom brush is worn more than the top
one.
> The motor shaft has some fore and aft play, maybe 3/32" which
doesn't
> seem too excessive.
>
> The bellows seems supple enough, but the fiber gear which engages
the
> worm seems to have a lot of up and down play. Perhaps this is
normal?
>
> I appreciate any advice you may have.
>
> Tim Benner
> Dayton, Ohio
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43502 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
I use a string of 110 volt 7.5 watt (medium size} Christmas tree lights to illuminate my Plasticville and other buildings on my layout. I like the brightness that they give to the buildings. I have found strings of lights that have the sockets "clipped" to the wire. Using a pair of pliers I can move these anywhere on the string to reach from hole to hole where I have drilled a 1 inch access under each building. You can add sub runs to the main feed to reach out of the way places or second levels by using clip on plug sockets. I carefully staple the wires to the underside of my layout. Obviously you need to be careful not to staple one of the conductors. The 7.5 watt bulbs do throw a little heat after a while, so you need to be sure to give a little room around them. I usually hot-glue the socket into the access hole I have made. I have used these lights like this for many years with no problem. Plugging them into a GFCI socket would give you a bit of added safety. I als
o use several strings of miniature tree lights on the layout too. I also use several 110 motors from clocks, microwave turntables and old displays to run some animations. I think 110 is fine if you just use common sense and a bit of planning.

Mark Anderman


-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Gerald Dobbs <grdobbs@...>
> Using 110 volt power on train layout lighting is not a good idea unless
> you are an experienced electrician.
> 110 voltage can be deadly
> Jerry HR77-11644.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43503 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
Actually 110 and 220 are very safe ..... IF YOU KNOW ABOUT IT..... The SAFETY problem occurs when some body else fools with what you have in the system..... Like a small child or even an adult who knows nothing about Electricity..... The problem with the Christmas lights is they become too bright allowing the plastic to glow/...... RADIATION ?..... When I was a kid I used these items..... I had to paint the insides black to tone them down.... Ruined the Plasticville houses.... These bulbs do get hot and if you have a paper building..... a fire could develope..... just food for thought..... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Manderman@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Accessory Lighting


I use a string of 110 volt 7.5 watt (medium size} Christmas tree lights to illuminate my Plasticville and other buildings on my layout. I like the brightness that they give to the buildings. I have found strings of lights that have the sockets "clipped" to the wire. Using a pair of pliers I can move these anywhere on the string to reach from hole to hole where I have drilled a 1 inch access under each building. You can add sub runs to the main feed to reach out of the way places or second levels by using clip on plug sockets. I carefully staple the wires to the underside of my layout. Obviously you need to be careful not to staple one of the conductors. The 7.5 watt bulbs do throw a little heat after a while, so you need to be sure to give a little room around them. I usually hot-glue the socket into the access hole I have made. I have used these lights like this for many years with no problem. Plugging them into a GFCI socket would give you a bit of added safety. I als
o use several strings of miniature tree lights on the layout too. I also use several 110 motors from clocks, microwave turntables and old displays to run some animations. I think 110 is fine if you just use common sense and a bit of planning.

Mark Anderman

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Gerald Dobbs <grdobbs@...>
> Using 110 volt power on train layout lighting is not a good idea unless
> you are an experienced electrician.
> 110 voltage can be deadly
> Jerry HR77-11644.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43504 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
**((..... The problem with the Christmas lights is they become too bright allowing the plastic to glow/...... RADIATION ?..... ))**

True. However, some, like myself, like a glow (to a point). I use the mini-bulbs/sockets, and I like how
Plasticville glows. Very pretty at night.
I'm actually disappointed with some Lemax ceramic buildings that don't put off a glow like some of the other buildings I have.

Seems the C-7 size bulbs would be too bright and hot for certain buildings. I like 'em fine
for my ceramic buildings. Although, I think I did use a C-7 bulb (dyed amber) for lighting my Plasticville station on my
2005 Christmas layout.
http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer/bassflyer/Christmas_layout_station.jpg.html

Rick.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 43505 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
Geez Guys,
Your trains must be 40-50+ years old or some of the
newer type. I don't care what they are worth , but they are worth something.
So is your house.
The trains are old...Go to LEDS No Heat, Won't KILL you. Not even in cost.
Weigh the cost of MAYBE $20-40 VS a fire or death. Even an electrician would
not use 120 on the acc. lighting
From an old electrician not feeling that great today. Mike


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43506 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
Yeah... bring on the RADIATION..

I guess I figure if I'm using Plasticville I like the "toy" aspect of it all. I rather enjoy running the trains will all the lights out except for the streetlights and "glow" from the Plasticville. One does need to be careful with placement... as I said... but I have not melted a building yet. I also use several ceramic buildings and they glow nicely too...

To each their own...

Mark Anderman


-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...>
> Actually 110 and 220 are very safe ..... IF YOU KNOW ABOUT IT..... The SAFETY
> problem occurs when some body else fools with what you have in the system.....
> Like a small child or even an adult who knows nothing about Electricity..... The
> problem with the Christmas lights is they become too bright allowing the plastic
> to glow/...... RADIATION ?..... When I was a kid I used these items..... I had
> to paint the insides black to tone them down.... Ruined the Plasticville
> houses.... These bulbs do get hot and if you have a paper building..... a fire
> could develope..... just food for thought..... Bob
> ----- Original Message -----



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43507 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
Actually, when I was a kid I had the Gilbert Geiger Counter set..... I rubbed the rock powder on the buildings and left the lights on.... then when the lights were off VIOLA..... THE BUILDINGS GLOWED IN THE DARK...... Bob.... Joking of course
----- Original Message -----
From: Manderman@...
To: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Manderman@...
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Accessory Lighting


Yeah... bring on the RADIATION..

I guess I figure if I'm using Plasticville I like the "toy" aspect of it all. I rather enjoy running the trains will all the lights out except for the streetlights and "glow" from the Plasticville. One does need to be careful with placement... as I said... but I have not melted a building yet. I also use several ceramic buildings and they glow nicely too...

To each their own...

Mark Anderman

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...>
> Actually 110 and 220 are very safe ..... IF YOU KNOW ABOUT IT..... The SAFETY
> problem occurs when some body else fools with what you have in the system.....
> Like a small child or even an adult who knows nothing about Electricity..... The
> problem with the Christmas lights is they become too bright allowing the plastic
> to glow/...... RADIATION ?..... When I was a kid I used these items..... I had
> to paint the insides black to tone them down.... Ruined the Plasticville
> houses.... These bulbs do get hot and if you have a paper building..... a fire
> could develope..... just food for thought..... Bob
> ----- Original Message -----

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43508 From: Phil K Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Coors Silver Bullet choo-choo
When the commercials first debuted for this art-deco streamliner, my
first impression was "Really neat, this campaign might get some
younger people interested in model trains and steam locomotives."

While this Silver Bullet was incorporated to call attention to beer,
I suppose it ranks pretty low on the list of objectional marketing
methods for alcohol.

Of course, I had also hoped someone would make a running model in S.
Not that the A.C. Gilbert 350s, 353s, 354s and 356s are not good
enough -- but no one is manufacturing new ones these days. Thought it
even might make a good starter set.

I haven't seen in person the version spit out by Mike's Train House,
but I've seen photos and a video on the web. I also heard folks were
lined up to place orders for it after viewing a working model set up
at York. MTH claims the demands for producing this set were
overwhelming.

On the other hand, they're toasting it pretty good on the Trains.com
forum.

I've seen photos, and it ain't pretty. (It is on page 18-19):

http://www.railking1gauge.com/catalog/catalogweb/index.htm

There's a main rod connecting two of the three mini-drivers, but it
is not connected to the pistons, which hover over the mini-drivers.
And to the rear there's a huge, outlandish driver that looks like the
wheel on a sidewheel paddle boat. This only illustrates why companies
like Lima, Baldwin and Alco designed big steam -- and not some mook
in an advertising agency.

I believe there's three working reefers that pop open their sides to
show a blue glow inside as smoke billows out and cases of beer slide
out. I've also heard it plays "Love Train" (by the O'Jays). Oh goody.

Now I'm glad is isn't available in S. I love my Gilbert engines too
much to replace them with something that looks -- and acts -- this
goofy.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 43509 From: Roy Inman Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Re: Coors Silver Bullet choo-choo
You are probably exactly right Phil.

Which is why it may become a collector's item :)

I will be standing on the sidelines along with you as a non-collector,
however.

Roy Inman

From: Phil K <waldootten@...>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:15:18 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Coors Silver Bullet choo-choo


Now I'm glad is isn't available in S. I love my Gilbert engines too
much to replace them with something that looks -- and acts -- this
goofy.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43510 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Re: coors Silver bullit
Hey Phil,
It also looks like the big wheel doesn't touch the track. So much for
pulling power if only the front 2 connected wheels are the only ones
doing the pulling. I would like to see it in person to get a better
look, but I don't think I have a hobby shop cose to Fort Worth, Texas
that carries that line. Oh they have Lionel and I found one in Dallas
that does have Flyonel, but that is a 30 mile trip in some of the
worst traffic that I like to avoid. I'll just wait for the next train
show in March. The Great American Train Show is coming to Fort Worth,
And you can bet that I will be there. my brothers n scale club will
probably set up for this show as they do for all of the major shows in
this area. I still like s and have a standard loop set up temp until I
can get benchwork started.My k625 steamer runs like new since I had it
cleaned and lubed. I finally got it down and set it up in the floor.
Now I have s helper sectional and flex track to work with. I don't
like trains that look goofy either they look like toys, YUK???
Group: S-Trains Message: 43511 From: John Degnan Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: WANTED : Heimburger House Caboose
Looking for at least ONE Heimburger House, Santa-Fe type, offset-cupola caboose. I've just been informed that this model is no longer available from HH. I prefer to have the model in KIT (UN-BUILT) form if possible.

Got one to sell? Contact me : Scaler164@...


John Degnan
Scaler164@...
Seaboard Air Line 19000-19499 series, Class B-7
40' Single-Door, "Turtle-back" Box Car in S Scale AND HO Scale!!!
http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/SALRoundRoofBoxCarProject.htm


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43512 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Re: Coors Silver Bullet choo-choo
I meant to comment on this train when I saw it in CTT.
http://www.trains.com/ctt/default.aspx?c=a&id=750
I'm strangely attracted to it......in a futuristic/weird way.
IF,...it was in "S"........and IF,.....I had the extra$$, and IF.......
I already had a SHS 2-8-0...........I'd buy one.

I do partake of the Silver Bullet at times.

Rick.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43513 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
**(( I rather enjoy running the trains will all the lights out except for the streetlights
and "glow" from the Plasticville.))**

Exactly!! I even at times have a blue bulb to simulate moonlight, and I can see a little more detail
on the trains, vechicles, buildings, etc.

Rick.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43514 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting/bad spelling
And yes Barb,.....I spelled vehicles wrong!!


**(( I rather enjoy running the trains will all the lights out except for the streetlights
and "glow" from the Plasticville.))**

Exactly!! I even at times have a blue bulb to simulate moonlight, and I can see a little more detail
on the trains, vechicles, buildings, etc.

Rick.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43515 From: tom oglesby Date: 2/19/2007
Subject: Re: WANTED : Heimburger House Caboose
I am looking for American flyer Christmas box car 1998 & 1999
thanks
tjoglesby@...



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43516 From: Scott Freeman Date: 2/20/2007
Subject: #200 Boys at Crossing Gate
I am looking for the background piece for the #200 Boys at The Crossing
Gate. I would prefer to buy a good one. But if anyone has one that they
are willing to have a color copy made I would be willing to buy that
and make do until I can find a original one.

Thanks Scott
Group: S-Trains Message: 43517 From: Dan Greenberg Date: 2/20/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
Oh, Mark, I would not do that necessarily. When I was a kid, we used a
string of Xmas lights for illumination. I'd make the following
observations, some of which echo others:
1) Wiring these things is the closest I've ever come to electrocuting
myself... and I've spent significant time in electrical engineering labs and
in doing home wiring "hot". I was splicing the wire because two buildings
were too far apart. I was doing it hot because the lights were in series
and finding a failed one took forever. Fortunately, I was under the table
on my back, so when I completed the circuit through my arms (and across my
chest), the shock made my arms fall, and I involuntarily dropped the wire.
110V is dangerous.
Triva: it turns out that 60 Hz AC -- the American standard -- is about as
close as you can get to the most fatal frequency due to the fact that your
heart rate is roughly that and the nerves around your heart are threfore
tuned to roughly this frequency. DC in this sense is safer, but you get
"stuck" to DC whereas AC allows you to let go every cycle. The 20 Hz
"ringing current" sent to ring your phone is a lot less likely to kill you
(even though it too comes at 100V and 1-2 amps).

2) Xmas lights are often in series. When one goes, the whole string goes...
and finding the one bad one can take forever.

3) Xmas lights can twinkle. This is a nice effect... looks like a TV is on
in the building.

4) Clip-on lights like you're using create cuts in the insulation. Do not
ever remove the lights you've put on and install elsewhere... unless you
tape the wire thoroughly with electrician's take.

5) Xmas lights can get hot.


Go with the new technology. You can get LEDs cheap and run them easily off
of your transformer. (If you run AC, the LED will be lit for 1/2 of the
cycle. Just make sure the breakdown voltage of the LED is greater than the
transformer voltage.) Add some resistors and you can vary the intensity.
Flicker takes a little bit of circuitry, but it can be done. It's all low
power, low heat and low maintainance.

Dan, the (Electrical) Engineer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43518 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 2/20/2007
Subject: Re: Coors Silver Bullet choo-choo and WGH on Tour
Hello all,

I saw a Silver Bullet loco and one car on a siding on the MTH booth layout at the World's Greatest Hobby on Tour show in Portland, Oregon last weekend. I never saw it run although I was busy most of the time running my own layout, so it could have. The loco was not as bad looking as I thought it might have been, perhaps because it was in shiny chrome, not the dull color I have seen on the web, but I wouldn't have wanted one even in S scale. The "paddle wheel" driver does look kinda weird, but the unconnected side rods on the small drivers reminded me of the Lionel Turbine loco that sold well. Maybe the Silver Bullet is a turbine powered engine.

At any rate, it might appeal to other folks as does the Harley-Davidson related train stuff, and plenty of people seemed enthusiastic about all of the offerings from the various manufacturers and retailers at the show. We have been displaying a layout at Portland and other Northwest shows for 25 years, and I would have to say the World's Greatest Hobby show last week was the best ever in terms of public attendance. All of the dealers I spoke with seemed to be doing well regardless of product sold. It was professionally marketed and produced. While I saw some decent AF on sale in a few booths, I did not buy any, nor did I feel compelled to do so. I was so busy with the public at the layout.

Obviously the WGH on Tour is a special case with significant industry support and a general public focus, but the depth and breadth of the public attendance was amazing. If you wanted to add to your own stash of goodies, as a AF collector, it was not so good. Other "swap meet" shows might be more promising, but as a layout displayer and promoter of toy trains, this show was great.

I was disappointed, though, that Lionel did not bring or display any S gauge, at least that I saw, and that neither SHS or American Models were there to go toe-to-toe with all of the HO, O and G folks. We had two S gauge layouts among the 20+ layouts (not counting those in mfrs and dealer booths), and we both saw a lot of interest and heard many favorable comments about the size and detail of our trains. Fortunately, the Oregon S Scalers had some NASG material to distribute.

So maybe the WGH and even the Silver Bullet are good for the hobby in that they both grab people's attention.

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR


----- Original Message -----
From: Phil K
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 2:15 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Coors Silver Bullet choo-choo


When the commercials first debuted for this art-deco streamliner, my
first impression was "Really neat, this campaign might get some
younger people interested in model trains and steam locomotives."

While this Silver Bullet was incorporated to call attention to beer,
I suppose it ranks pretty low on the list of objectional marketing
methods for alcohol.

Of course, I had also hoped someone would make a running model in S.
Not that the A.C. Gilbert 350s, 353s, 354s and 356s are not good
enough -- but no one is manufacturing new ones these days. Thought it
even might make a good starter set.

I haven't seen in person the version spit out by Mike's Train House,
but I've seen photos and a video on the web. I also heard folks were
lined up to place orders for it after viewing a working model set up
at York. MTH claims the demands for producing this set were
overwhelming.

On the other hand, they're toasting it pretty good on the Trains.com
forum.

I've seen photos, and it ain't pretty. (It is on page 18-19):

http://www.railking1gauge.com/catalog/catalogweb/index.htm

There's a main rod connecting two of the three mini-drivers, but it
is not connected to the pistons, which hover over the mini-drivers.
And to the rear there's a huge, outlandish driver that looks like the
wheel on a sidewheel paddle boat. This only illustrates why companies
like Lima, Baldwin and Alco designed big steam -- and not some mook
in an advertising agency.

I believe there's three working reefers that pop open their sides to
show a blue glow inside as smoke billows out and cases of beer slide
out. I've also heard it plays "Love Train" (by the O'Jays). Oh goody.

Now I'm glad is isn't available in S. I love my Gilbert engines too
much to replace them with something that looks -- and acts -- this
goofy.

Phil K





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43519 From: Alan Evans Date: 2/20/2007
Subject: Kit for Lionel Northern Smoke repair
List,

Recall seeing this post but I've deleted it from my files. I
thought the fix kit was about $2.00 (?).



Can someone assist?



Thanking you in advance.



- Alan Evans

o Gahanna, Ohio











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Group: S-Trains Message: 43520 From: Dan Greenberg Date: 2/20/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
Hi Mike,

Not quite true. There's a broad envelop of danger bounded by voltage,
current, frequency, and bad luck (path through the body). A low voltage
can't cross an air gap, but it can still kill you if you're stupid (like me)
and touch it directly. The 15V of model trains is too low generally to
cross the resistance of your skin... and you generally do not offer a path
back to its ground anyway, so no current flows.

A few milliamps at 60 Hz crossing your heart can kill you. 1000's of volts
passing through your body from a Van de Graff will do nothing but make your
hair stand up. Famously, Edison showed that you could electrocute cats with
only a small amount of AC... and not with DC... but he still lost the battle
to Westinghouse (and Tesla) and the efficiency of AC transmission.

In my case, I had a fail safe. Since I had my arms in the air, it was
natural for me to drop the connection. And I was pretty young and healthy.
And just plain lucky.

Stay safe,
Dan



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----Original Message Follows----
From: Anormal1@...
To: dangreenberg@...
CC: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Accessory Lighting
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:26:50 EST

Just my two dimes worth,
I was taught 110-130v will make your muscles flex
On the other hand 210-230v will contract your muscles & pull u in
3 phase 220 will just make you toast Mike Ore
Group: S-Trains Message: 43521 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/20/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
Just my two dimes worth,
I was taught 110-130v will make your muscles flex
On the other hand 210-230v will contract your muscles & pull u in
3 phase 220 will just make you toast Mike Ore
Group: S-Trains Message: 43522 From: Phil K Date: 2/20/2007
Subject: To all moderators
Messages submitted for approval and posting are starting to come into
this forum with "commercial" messages attached at the bottom.

The lastest to appear are appeals from Yahoo competitors (ads touting
free email from AOL and msn.com). These are inserted automatically
into every email sent through those and other competitors. In my
opinion, since Yahoo sponsors this wonderful list for free, we should
be good partners and remove any such messages from competing sites
using the "EDIT" function before approving. Of course, any similar
appeal from Yahoo itself should be allowed.

If one of our train repair people or dealers who are members of this
forum want to include their mailing address, phone numbers and
website addresses (as they have been doing all along, like Fred's
Train Parts, Doug Peck, et al) I would think that would be generally
considered acceptable as it is relevant to our theme.

Of course, the same goes for Mark Preman, our list sponsor.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 43523 From: maobuch@sbcglobal.net Date: 2/20/2007
Subject: Accessory Lighting
> Using 110 volt power on train layout lighting is not a good idea unless
you are an experienced electrician. 110 voltage can be deadly.
> As Jerry HR77-11644 said... It can work out OK if one knows
^ What they are doing with 110 Volt Circut..
However, if one wants to use the 7 Watt Christmas Tree lights on his/her layout
They could add what is known as a Ballast Bulb, add a 10 Wall Lamp in
Line with the hot lead of the circuit and it will dim them bulbs down some and
Cut down the heat.
^
Plus once can add a 1000 PRV 3 Amp Dideo in seairs/inline with
The hot lead of the string of bulbs, which will also dim the light
Output as well.
^
If anyone needs more INFO as to wiring this way, just get with me
Off from the Group...Being in electronics for over 30 years does pay
Off when working on your model railroad!!!

Yours Truly, Ms Maryann (Arti) Obuch
http://www.geocities.com/maobuch/train,html
PS: Set ur font to size 16 plus so I can
See what you are saying to me !!!

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43524 From: Scott Freeman Date: 2/20/2007
Subject: Dealer display
I have 2 of these dealer signs. They are 2 sided with different
pictures on each side. they are made of cardboard and folded in half.
Looking at the items in the picture I think it is from 1956. I have
seen a 1955 dealer item catalog and it is not in there. It is 14" long
8 3/4" tall not counting the tabs on the bottom. The tabs on the bottom
would insert into something but I do not know what. That is what I
would like to know. If I only need one for what ever display they are
for I would be willing to sell the one I am sending pictures of. The
one that I am sending pictures of has some water damage the other is
like new. I am going to try to post pictures of it but if they do not
post and you want to see them let me know and I will email them to you.
I know if you can not see it you can not help me.
Thanks Scott
Group: S-Trains Message: 43525 From: John Degnan Date: 2/20/2007
Subject: FOUND : SCENERY UNLIMITED SF Caboose
Hi all,

I figure it will be easier to reply to everyone via the groups since I've gotten nearly a TON of replies to my post about this model...

Anyway, I've been informed that these models can be found occasionally on ebay for between $20 and $30. But regardless of ebay, I've found at least one seller who has asked a price that parallels the usual ebay prices, so I'll have to say that my search is over. Thanks to the multitude of multitudes that replied and for all the offers.

And for those who were thinking that my intentions were to model an ATSF caboose... my actual intentions are to model this caboose as a hand-me-down caboose for use on my forthcoming NES&W layout. This cab will have received a whole new look by the time she is put to work on my layout... her previous ATSF fatigues a long, forgotten memory and history past.

I'm still working on the site and some of the details pertaining to my fictitious railway, but my NES&W web-site-in-progress can be seen via the link below :

www.nesw.ironraildepot.org

Thanks again, everyone.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...
The North, East, South & Western Railway
www.nesw.ironraildepot.org


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43526 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/20/2007
Subject: Re: Accessory Lighting
Just a side note, I took a brand new surplus transformer with 120 primary &
18V sec. I then used a light dimmer hooked up to the pri. & used a 5" deep
elect box & mounted it all. The dimmer ran trains, lights etc.. Mike
PS: The lights were on separate dimmers & transformers


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43527 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 2/20/2007
Subject: Warning Ebay AF21105 ALUMINUM DRIVERS 1958
Text from auction 290083532377 is listed below.

Anyone have any background, sounds like an interesting variation...

-----------------------
Made in 1958 only,this is the first use of this style of drive wheels
on any AF steamer. Other steamers that eventually used this style of
drive wheels include the 21088 Frontiersman,21139 NYC Hudson and 21140
Northern. This is a truly RARE collector piece that rates as a 4+ in
the TM price guide. I believe it was part of the
uncataloged "Altheimer and Bauer" set of 1958. The locomotive has very
little run time. Smokes and runs great when I bench tested it. All
original NO REPRO PARTS. All steps present no breaks or cracks in the
plastic shells. The only other one of these variations I have seen was
in the "AC GILBERT'S HERITAGE" book by Heimberger Publishing.Payment
to be recieved within 2 days of auction close via PayPal ONLY. I will
usually ship Canada Post within 2 days of payment being recieved for a
cost of $25. Good Luck and Happy Bidding!
-------------------------
Group: S-Trains Message: 43529 From: Phil K Date: 2/20/2007
Subject: Wanted -- cars from SHS 3-car Fruit Growers Express reefer set
Redirected:

>>>>Wanted: one or more cars from the SHS 3-car Fruit Growers Express
Reefer set. Two of the car #s are 59218 & 32757. Slightly used is OK.

Please contact me off line [at JNR59@...].

Jack Riely
Member NASG
Lake St. Louis, MO
Group: S-Trains Message: 43530 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 2/21/2007
Subject: Coors Silver Bullet choo-choo
As a retired employee of the Adolph Coors Co., I am not impressed with
the silver bullet train. I believe that it appeals to some the same way
the other non prototype trains do, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I will stick to the original paint schemes of the Coors refrigerators
cars and locomotives. I never cared for the girls train either.
Jerry HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 43531 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 2/21/2007
Subject: For Sale
I have about eight items on Ebay this week, which is quite unusual for me. Thought this group might like to know that I have an A.F. #612 Freight & Passenger Station with Crane along with the original box. They are not sold together. The box has the original sticker on the outside, and inside is the voucher sheet dated February 20, 1950. The insert cardboard is also in the box. I have pictures of the station and box on the site, or I can email them to anyone interested.

Mike Leahy
Group: S-Trains Message: 43532 From: Chris Date: 2/21/2007
Subject: 312 - Service Needed
Good Morning. I have a 312 that is giving me a headache.
It walks itself off the track in curves. One drive wheel is seperated
and it shorts the track every now and than. The other drive wheel on
the same side is loose. This train was my fathers and I would like to
have someone take a look at it and let me know if it can be repaired.
I live near Reading PA. Does anyone know of a place or person I can
take this too that could service this engine?
Thanks,
Chris Nierintz
Group: S-Trains Message: 43533 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 2/21/2007
Subject: American Models Bell and Whistle Activator
Hi All,

I just purchased an American Models 4-6-2 streamlined Pacific
locomotive that has both bell and whistle sounds, AC version. The
instructions say use any bell or whistle switch to activate the
sounds. I do not have any sound activation buttons but have been told
there are several alternatives including the American Models
activator, the Lionel and MTH sound acitvators, some transformers and
home made diode boxes.

Since we have a broad base of tinkers here I thought I would ask the
group what you have used for sound activators and what were you most
satisfied/dissatisfied with?

Thanks in advance for your comments!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 43534 From: Mark Preman Date: 2/21/2007
Subject: Preman's Greening, a sequel to Miller's Crossing?
Preman hasn't shoveled anything white or cold since he moved from New Hampshire and the B&M Railroad to sunny Florida in 1886. Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk!
Mark


Mark B. Preman
AmericanFlyerTrains.com

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43535 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/21/2007
Subject: Re: 312 - Service Needed
CHRIS..... If the rim is loose I have corrected this with super glue..... slower setting type... put it on and pull the rimup while turning it..... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:47 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] 312 - Service Needed


Good Morning. I have a 312 that is giving me a headache.
It walks itself off the track in curves. One drive wheel is seperated
and it shorts the track every now and than. The other drive wheel on
the same side is loose. This train was my fathers and I would like to
have someone take a look at it and let me know if it can be repaired.
I live near Reading PA. Does anyone know of a place or person I can
take this too that could service this engine?
Thanks,
Chris Nierintz





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43536 From: Phil K Date: 2/21/2007
Subject: Re: 312 - Service Needed
Bob's advice about the slo-set super glue should take care of the
loose rim problem. Both of your problems are quite common.

A loose driver is probably why your 312 climbs curves that turn away
from the side with the faulty driver. I have never seen two drivers
loose on the same axle unless the engine was grossly mishandled.

If you have a little courage, you can do it yourself. And gain the
terrific sense of accomplishment many of us get when we fix 'em
ourselves. For most of us, sending a loco to a repair facility is a
last resort.

For the loose driver, first check the gauge (distance between
flanges). It may have just worked itself slightly off the end of one
axle. (If the axle is flush in the hole on both sides, you'll need to
either fix the driver or buy a replacement. See paragraph four.)

If the axle in one of the holes is depressed, you can fix it with a
large C-clamp. Carefully remove the rods and screws from the wheel
and its opposite. Open the C-clamp wide enough and CAREFULLY and
slowly tighten it until the axle is flush with the hole on both
sides.

Replace rods and screws. Check to make sure all drivers on each side
line up with each other so the rods don't bind when the wheels turn.
Also check that the distance between flanges on all opposite drivers
(gauge) is equal.

If the hole on the driver is slightly stripped, remove it from the
axle (you'll need some sort of wheel puller, a special tool that can
be homemade). Put the driver on a flat surface. Usually a gentle tap
on the hole once or twice with a tack hammer will flatten the driver
insert enough for you to get a tight fit once again. Remember to
properly quarter the driver (align it so the hole for the screw
holding the rod fits properly and doesn't bind when the drivers turn)
when you re-install it. Then finish by checking everything as in the
paragraph above.

Good luck

Phil K


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <oando27@...> wrote:
>
> Good Morning. I have a 312 that is giving me a headache.
> It walks itself off the track in curves. One drive wheel is
seperated
> and it shorts the track every now and than. The other drive wheel
on
> the same side is loose. This train was my fathers and I would like
to
> have someone take a look at it and let me know if it can be
repaired.
> I live near Reading PA. Does anyone know of a place or person I can
> take this too that could service this engine?
> Thanks,
> Chris Nierintz
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43537 From: Phil K Date: 2/21/2007
Subject: Repair information site is terrific
For Chris and anyone else new to the group, member Doug Peck maintains
an excellent Online American Flyer Repair Clinic with detailed answers
from experts on many common repairs. He also through his Portlines.com
website sells just about every specialty tool necessary to accomplish
some of the more delicate repairs, as well as the parts you'll need.

http://www.portlines.com/afrepairclinics.htm

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 43538 From: Chris Date: 2/21/2007
Subject: Re: Coors Silver Bullet choo-choo
I saw this set at York, in grey plastic, paint job yet to come.
Visually and operationally it was quite something. It does play
Love Machine and one other song. It may be produced with am Mp3
system into which you can download whatever music you want. This
was high on the list of observer suggestions and Mike said he was
considering it. Also under consideration, an actual cold car
carrying a chilled can to your hand, making this the train to run
when a break in the operating session is called for. I can't wait
to see it painted. I was actually considering forking over the $500.

This is a cartoon train. You're into trains, so your wife, kids and
grandkids probably buy you every train greeting card, coffee mug,
Christmas decoration and flannel pajama set ever made. On them are
the strangest conceptions of steam locomotives. Artists don't
bother with research, they just draw on their impressions. What did
the locomotive for "Soul Train" look like? What was that futuristic
loco in "Back to the Future" supposed to be?

You buy the premise, you buy the set.

Pass me a cold one.

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 43539 From: Chris Date: 2/21/2007
Subject: Re: FOUND : SCENERY UNLIMITED SF Caboose
John Degnan, you are an interesting case in point. I, too, am
building a railroad in S, The Central of America (CoA), and it will be
an entirely freelanced connecting railroad done in high-rail. Having
precious little equipment of it's own, primarily switchers and MOW
trains, it acts as the host rails for America's various railroads as
they pass through it's midwestern operating hub, Center City.

By creating this fictional setting, I justified the operation of all
the roadnames I love to collect. Trains are either rolling through,
utilizing the main station and refueling at the engine servicing
facilities, or equipment with out of place names and heralds is being
used by the home road under lease or buy out, but not yet painted over.

I, like you, am free to do whatever I want, freelancing away. With
one exception. I won't feel the need to make sure that any Santa Fe
diesels that roll through are exact proto matches, as you want to do
with Seaboard visitors.

On your website I read of your delight in freeing yourself of the
tyranny foisted upon you by your exact HO copies of SAL. I wonder if
you are not a hi-railer in the making, looking more for fun and less
for slavish conscription to proscribed rules and designs. Your pages
detail your glee in unburdening yourself from prototype accuracy. Why
go back there at all?

Chris Zizzo
Run 'em all, baby!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43540 From: John Degnan Date: 2/21/2007
Subject: And speaking of ATSF Offset-Cupola cabs...
The irony is killing me... check out ebay auction # 230093022564!!!


John Degnan
Scaler164@...


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43541 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/21/2007
Subject: 1947
I have mentioned before to the train list, that I was reading a book by David McCullough about Harry Truman and how his daughter wanted a train set and not a Piano.

Well, I am up to page 554 and on page 548, McCullough writes that in 1947, things where going well, as 1946 was a pretty bad year for the economy. All kinds of Strikes that really hurt the country and a meat shortage!

But in 1947, he writes, "White shirts, nylon stockings, fishing tackle, and golf balls were back on store shelves".

But he makes no mention that toy train production at Lionel and American Flyer was back, as they retooled from products made for war back to trains.

O:)!

Oh well, I guess he did not know this was more important that golf balls!

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43542 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 2/21/2007
Subject: Hand cars
I put several vintage AF handcars on a track, and I could only get 1 out 5 to run.

I do get current through them.

I have no idea what to check.

Any suggestions, as I guess this is my next basket case.

LOL

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43543 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/22/2007
Subject: Fwd: yeah WASNT MUCH YOU WERE TAUGHT? EXAMPLE
Here is an example of the type person that is attacking members of this
group. I won't post anymore this should do it. Mike (Somewhat Sane)
Group: S-Trains Message: 43544 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 2/22/2007
Subject: Re: American Models Bell and Whistle Activator
I'll sell you one I have no use for, I've converted all my AM to DCC.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I just purchased an American Models 4-6-2 streamlined Pacific
> locomotive that has both bell and whistle sounds, AC version. The
> instructions say use any bell or whistle switch to activate the
> sounds. I do not have any sound activation buttons but have been
told
> there are several alternatives including the American Models
> activator, the Lionel and MTH sound acitvators, some transformers
and
> home made diode boxes.
>
> Since we have a broad base of tinkers here I thought I would ask the
> group what you have used for sound activators and what were you most
> satisfied/dissatisfied with?
>
> Thanks in advance for your comments!
>
> BG1
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43545 From: pete Date: 2/22/2007
Subject: s scale decals -- NYC steam
hello everyone: i need a source for NYC early serif style lettering
for steam engines. i have no preference as to decals and/or dry
transfers. i am interested in the EARLY curly-kew (serif) lettering.
can anyone help me? thank you in advance. pete trunk, NJ
Group: S-Trains Message: 43546 From: Jerry Matsick Date: 2/23/2007
Subject: Attend a Train Show at Home!
Well nearly 300 have joined AvailableSGauge since July 2006, Here you
have no ID number, No password, No Fees, just the "Good Ole Boys"
selling buying and trading S Gauge (scale) trains. Come on and sign up
and enjoy a Train Show at Home!

Go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/availableSgauge

Yall come on now join up with the "Good Ole Boys"

Jerry Matsick
Moderator
Group: S-Trains Message: 43547 From: Alex Sibbald Date: 2/23/2007
Subject: accessory lighting
I find that these peel and stick bulbs are safe and easy to install and
attach to the base post and variable post of an A.F. transformer. You
can see them at ebay auction #190085188308 from trainjunction.
Alex
Group: S-Trains Message: 43548 From: RCESpeak Date: 2/23/2007
Subject: accessory lighting
Alex,

I agree that these peel and stick lights seem great. They are easy to
install and provide good light. I used 8 of them in my roundhouse
and wired them (via a daisy chain) to a small Flyer transformer.

But, when one blows out, it is impossible to replace the bulb. If
you replace the entire light fixture, you have to cut the wires
out and insert a new one in the chain. Gets messy after a few
have to be replaced.

When I get my layout back up, I intend to replace all or these
with lights that have replaceable bulbs. I have "seen the light"!

Barb
Group: S-Trains Message: 43549 From: rdgroup427 Date: 2/23/2007
Subject: Color for Rocket Engines
What color would be best to match the green on the Rocket Engines and
cars.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43550 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/23/2007
Subject: Re: accessory lighting
Esteemed Colleagues,



Since the start of this chain, I have found an article in the NMRA
publication Scale rails, January 2007. It is a how-to project for making a
general purpose power supply. The heart of the circuit is an LM317T voltage
regulator. With this circuit, we can produce any voltage from 1.25 to 18
VDC. Each board can supply as much as a full ampere of current at the
requested voltage. There are not many parts and there is nothing tricky
about construction.



At the end of the article, the editor notes that there are 'dozens of
variations' available on the internet. You can Google (or your favorite
search engine) for 'LM317T.



I still don't know what the draw is for a 3.5 volt Christmas light, but,
now, I can provide a simple circuit that does not turn all the lights out if
one fails.



This circuit would also work for those peel and stick lights. They too could
be wired in parallel.



Enjoy,

Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of RCESpeak
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:54 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:accessory lighting



Alex,

I agree that these peel and stick lights seem great. They are easy to
install and provide good light. I used 8 of them in my roundhouse
and wired them (via a daisy chain) to a small Flyer transformer.

But, when one blows out, it is impossible to replace the bulb. If
you replace the entire light fixture, you have to cut the wires
out and insert a new one in the chain. Gets messy after a few
have to be replaced.

When I get my layout back up, I intend to replace all or these
with lights that have replaceable bulbs. I have "seen the light"!

Barb





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43551 From: Alex Sibbald Date: 2/23/2007
Subject: Re: accessory lighting
Hi Barb,
I wire mine in parallel so that if one goes out, the others all stay
lit. Burned out bulbs can be a problem so when I make a model building,
I always leave a way to change the bulb when necessary. Leds on the
other hand rarely burn out and would be useful if I had an application
where I could not access the bulb. The light from a bulb however is
usually a warmer, more realistic light.
Alex

RCESpeak wrote:

> Alex,
>
> I agree that these peel and stick lights seem great. They are easy to
> install and provide good light. I used 8 of them in my roundhouse
> and wired them (via a daisy chain) to a small Flyer transformer.
>
> But, when one blows out, it is impossible to replace the bulb. If
> you replace the entire light fixture, you have to cut the wires
> out and insert a new one in the chain. Gets messy after a few
> have to be replaced.
>
> When I get my layout back up, I intend to replace all or these
> with lights that have replaceable bulbs. I have "seen the light"!
>
> Barb
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43552 From: Alex Sibbald Date: 2/23/2007
Subject: accessory lighting
If you decide to go with incandescant lamps, their life expectancy will
be extended if you run them at lower than rated voltage. That is the
advantage of attaching to the variable and base posts of a dedicated
accessory transformer. You can adjust the brilliance and life expectancy
of your bulbs.
Alex
Group: S-Trains Message: 43553 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 2/23/2007
Subject: Re: accessory lighting
Anyone on this list have any luck with dimming LEDS? Mike
PS: Can they be dimmed
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43554 From: Bill Lane Date: 2/24/2007
Subject: Lanes Trains website update
HI All,

Note my tricky new email address! My Comcast address still works though...

I have been a man possessed for the past 2 weeks updating my websites. Lanes
Trains has some new pages, but I have tried to make it dial up user
friendly. Most of the photos are small and pop up bigger now to large crisp
photos. You will not have to turn off your pop up blocker either. There are
over 40 different pop up photos of S Scale models shown from the My Models
Page. If you have wondered what a certain model looks like I may have it in
the permanent website collection now.


Please give it a look. You could vote for the NASG website award if you like
it as well.

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26
http://www.pennsysmodels.com

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRphotos.xls

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
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http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

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It's FREE (for now) http://www.prslhs.com
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43555 From: cindynovak2003 Date: 2/24/2007
Subject: the layout made it!
Well, we've finally settled into our new place and the layout made it
okay. We bolted the sections together so they were self contained.
And the best part is that we should have enough room in the garage to
set it up!
Thanks to everyone who provided suggestions on how to move it.
Cindy
Group: S-Trains Message: 43556 From: Art Shifrin Date: 2/24/2007
Subject: long lives for incandescent bulbs
Simply add a full wave rectifier to the AC feed: the bulbs will last for
significantly longer durations.

Just remember NEVER to combine the + or - sides to any of the AC leads.


Shiffy


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43557 From: Bill Porter Date: 2/24/2007
Subject: Re: accessory lighting
Hi Mike and Esteemed Colleagues,



Yes indeed, they can be dimmed. Once we know the appropriate value of the
current-limiting resistor, we can use a larger value to limit the current
further and the LED will be dimmer.



There have been a lot of posts about calculating the value of the resistor,
so, I won’t go into that again. Send me a side note if you need a little
nudge.



Another way that will work is to set up the LED to work off of the maximum
setting for a small transformer. For instance, a Flyer 1 ½ will light a lot
of LEDs. Be sure the resistor is sufficient to protect the bulb when the
transformer is on full throttle. Then, turn the throttle down until you like
the light.



Good Luck,

Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of anormal1@...
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 8:09 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] accessory lighting



Anyone on this list have any luck with dimming LEDS? Mike
PS: Can they be dimmed




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43558 From: Dan Greenberg Date: 2/24/2007
Subject: Train Crash in UK
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/24/world/main2509962.shtml
U.K. High-Speed Train Derails, Killing 1
Investigators Inspect Wreckage Of Virgin Train In Northwestern
England

This story, in itself, is interesting... and I wish all of the
injured a rapid recovery. But I found one aspect of the story
disturbing in another way. Read this:

"Officers were investigating whether the train derailed because of a
failure of railroad switches that are used to adjust track settings
and alter a train's route, he said. If left in the wrong position,
the components can throw carriages off the track."

It seems that CBS assumes (maybe correctly) that most of their
readers don't know what a switch is... or the fact that setting it
wrong will cause a derailment. Not sure what that says about
society or the readers of CBS online... or their editors... but it
does say that a whole lot more people need to go play with their
model trains!

Cheers.
Dan, the (Electrical) Engineer

PS Got my lumber and homasote delivered this week (along with a snow
blower). Time to go to start building a layout!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43559 From: Dan Greenberg Date: 2/24/2007
Subject: Re: accessory lighting
LEDs can be dimmed, but the dynamic range (from dimmest to brightest) is
generally less than incandescents unless you get fancy. There are three
ways I know of to dim LEDs:

1) The old-fashioned way. Take some sort of translucent substance and
paint it on the LED. Since LEDs don't get really hot, a lot of things which
would peel off of a lightbulb will stick just fine. LEDs are cheap, so do
some experiments to get the right brightness and tint.

2) The easy way. LED brightness is determined by current. [Discussion of
quantum recombination omitted.] While a lightbulb nicely follows Ohm's Law
(that you probably learned in Science class) because lightbulbs are linear
resistors, LEDs are nonlinear resistors: they are infinite in one direction
(until breakdown voltage, which may be substantial) and zero resistance in
the other. When conducting, an LED has a relatively constant VOLTAGE drop
regardless of current. This is called the threshold voltage.
So... to adjust the brightness, you need to put a resistor in series with
the diode. The resistor then limits the current. Different resistances
will create different brightnesses, and an adjustable resistor (a
potentiometer) will create adjustable brightnesses.
If you're really interested in how much current is going through the LED,
the calculation in DC is ([supply voltage] - [LED voltage drop]) /
[resistance you have in series]. The LED voltage drop is generally listed
on the spec sheet. If memory serves, a red LED is about 1.5V but I know
that blue and white LEDs are much higher than that. Shoot for 10-20 mA.

3) The hard way. To get the most dynamic range, you have to fool your eye
by turning the LED on/off rapidly. The percent of the time it is on can
then vary from 0% to 100% and, if you do it fast enough, your eye will
perceive it as brightness. This is the same effect the dimmer switch on
your home lights uses... but the circuit is different. (Do NOT use a dimmer
switch with an LED.)
The easiest way to use this effect is to use an AC source... like the
variable post on an AC transformer... as long as the AC does not exceed the
breakdown rating for the LED in either direction. Remember, it's AC, so
you're already at less than a 50% duty cycle through the LED: no conduction
for half the cycle and conduction in the other half only when the voltage
rises above the threshold voltage. When the AC is set to just above the
threshold voltage, the LED will conduct only for the tiny fraction of time
when the voltage swings above the threshold. Higher AC voltage will mean a
longer duty cycle and more brightness. Be nice to your transformer and add
a resistor in series -- this reduces brightness but also limits the current.
You can get a lot fancier, though. Note that the above circuit can only get
so bright. With a variable duty square wave generator (a small circuit in
DC requiring a few components), you can vary from 0% to 100%. Coupling a
few of these together properly can even create the flicker of a "TV" inside
of a house... but that's a lot more components.


Dan, the (Electrical) Engineer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43560 From: Jerry Poniatowski Date: 2/24/2007
Subject: parts needed
Guys,

I am in the process of doing a paint job for a friend on a K5 Pacific
and discovered his chassis needs axle bushings like crazy. There is
way too much binding on the geared axle with the worm gear, and a lot
of free play on the axle. Who sells sets that will work for this
chassis? I figured that there would be someone who would know off
hand and save a lot of searching ;>)

Thanks.

Jerry Poniatowski
Group: S-Trains Message: 43561 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 2/24/2007
Subject: ALTON LIMITED
Some of you may have
been disappointed not
to be able to buy the
Alton Limited Passenger
Train Set. Today in
Pennsylvania I was in
Prindle's Train Repair & Sales
and he has 2 sets in stock.
Call him at 610-367-2700.

Glenn

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43562 From: Dan Greenberg Date: 2/24/2007
Subject: Re: accessory lighting
In case anyone was wondering, I did some quick research.

For a nice variable duty cycle square wave generator, see
http://www.edn.com/article/CA150819.html
Any oscillating input will do.

For a nice flicker generator, see
http://home.aol.com/tractionfan/flicker.htm
Apparently, this was published in a model railroading magazine with
the good suggestion that flickering orange makes for a good "fire"
and flickering white makes for a welding torch. If you use a red
and a blue, you may be able to get a "TV" in a house.
Note that the entire left-hand side of this circuit is simply to
create a 5V power supply and a clock signal. There are other ways
to do this... and the supply and clock can be reused multiple times.
Note that the circuit does not tie off one of the pins of the 555.
Leaving an input untied is a design sin. Pin 5 should be connected
to ground with a .01uF cap to eliminate noise-driven eccentricity.

But, hey, you can use a pot too. :)

Dan, the (Electrical) Engineer

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Greenberg" <dangreenberg@...>
wrote:
> You can get a lot fancier, though. Note that the above circuit
can only get
> so bright. With a variable duty square wave generator (a small
circuit in
> DC requiring a few components), you can vary from 0% to 100%.
Coupling a
> few of these together properly can even create the flicker of
a "TV" inside
> of a house... but that's a lot more components.
>
>
> Dan, the (Electrical) Engineer
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43563 From: Al Paolozzi Date: 2/24/2007
Subject: ZW Transformer
Picked up a Lionel ZW transformer in nice condition, however it is missing the power on indicator light cover.
I think it is supposed to be green. Also missing one of the transformer post nuts. Anyone have to sell or
know who has to sell? Thanks in advance. Al Paolozzi Reply to: amflyral@...

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43564 From: Dick Kuepper Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: ZW Transformer
Check out



http://www.wmtlionelparts.com/



Warren's has almost every Lionel part.



Dick Kuepper

Aurora, OH



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43565 From: roninscho9 Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: e mails bounced
for jmatsick please contact me off list as all msgs to you are showing
bounced thanks Ron ronnat@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43566 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: E8s
Gentlemen

I have been able to get another AM PA E8 to give me an AA configuration for
my layout. I was wondering if anyone had detailed AM E8s (e.g. radio
antennas, etc.) and specifics on what they did.



Regards,

Joe Haughney



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43567 From: romoyer@att.net Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: Flyer Set ID Help
Yo Everyone:

Good afternoon. I'm an AF operator when I'm home and a Motorola engineer when I'm not. The good part of traveling is, I get a chance to go into hobby shops where ever I'm at. Some times I find stuff some time I don't. Another advantage is when I do find something, I bring it home in my luggage and my wife never finds out about my new aquisitions. But this last aquisition was through my wife (she's a keeper). A friend of hers who was over our home, saw some of my trains and said she had some from her childhood. April (my wife) brings them home. So what I got was a 20550 Frontiersman set with display box and the trains are in beautiful shape. My question on the box is, what goes in the bottom rectangular cut out?

An outer box was there numbered 20558 Truscott assortment. The outer box can almost fit the display box but is too close for me to try. So what is this 20558 outer box?

There's also a 24730 in a seperate box and a 24055 ammo box car with OB.

Last thing is a 20565 cannon flatcar missing one small fence end. The cannon is there but the barrel and tow end casting is detached from the wheel carriage. How does this fit back together?

All help would be appreciated.

Regards

Bob Moyer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43568 From: RCESpeak Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: Chat Room difficulties
Hi Group,

I have been trying to log onto the Sunday chat and am unable. Keep
getting the software program that describes the chat. Will someone
please send me a private email to let me know if this is a problem for
everyone and what I can do about it?

Thanks... Barb
RCESpeak@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43569 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer Set ID Help
You did not mtntion the brownie camera I thinnk this came with the truscot set Tom


-----Original Message-----
From: romoyer@...
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 2:56 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Set ID Help


Yo Everyone:

Good afternoon. I'm an AF operator when I'm home and a Motorola engineer when I'm not. The good part of traveling is, I get a chance to go into hobby shops where ever I'm at. Some times I find stuff some time I don't. Another advantage is when I do find something, I bring it home in my luggage and my wife never finds out about my new aquisitions. But this last aquisition was through my wife (she's a keeper). A friend of hers who was over our home, saw some of my trains and said she had some from her childhood. April (my wife) brings them home. So what I got was a 20550 Frontiersman set with display box and the trains are in beautiful shape. My question on the box is, what goes in the bottom rectangular cut out?

An outer box was there numbered 20558 Truscott assortment. The outer box can almost fit the display box but is too close for me to try. So what is this 20558 outer box?

There's also a 24730 in a seperate box and a 24055 ammo box car with OB.

Last thing is a 20565 cannon flatcar missing one small fence end. The cannon is there but the barrel and tow end casting is detached from the wheel carriage. How does this fit back together?

All help would be appreciated.

Regards

Bob Moyer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43570 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: Chat room
My link is no longer working.
Is it just me?? (5:15pm)

Rick.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43571 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: No CHAT !
Well, gang, I don'tknow what's going on, but I can't get to S Trains
CHAT. Neither pathway will let me on. I just get a white page with a
bunch of computer gobbldegook on it.
Not being real computer literate, I have no clue what is happening.
Last week we had Comcast weather related problems, now this.
Help!
Stumpy Stone...isolated in Appalachia
Group: S-Trains Message: 43572 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: Temporary chat room here!
For some reason Paul's chat room is down? Here is a temporary backup on my
site.

http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3

Carl
Group: S-Trains Message: 43573 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: Re: Chat Room
Seems we can't even go back to our old chat room at Yahoo,
I don't even see a link there.

Rick.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43574 From: David Dewey Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: Lost soul here
Go to this link for chat tonight
http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3


HI all,
Not only can I not get on chat, I haven't been getting ANY S-Trains
emails for the past few days. I have tried changing my settings and
checking everything, and nothing seems to work. I get plenty of emails
from all my other Yahoogroups.com memberships.
Don't you just love it, and YAHOO has no place to go (that I can find)
to ask someone how to fix THEIR problem.
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43575 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: Re: Chat Room difficulties
Go to this link!
http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3


I also have no luck, and the Yahoo group seems to no longer have a chat there. so I'm lost too.

jfred


RCESpeak <rcespeak@...> wrote: Hi Group,

I have been trying to log onto the Sunday chat and am unable. Keep
getting the software program that describes the chat. Will someone
please send me a private email to let me know if this is a problem for
everyone and what I can do about it?

Thanks... Barb
RCESpeak@...





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43576 From: wc johnson Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: Chat
Go to this link for chat tonight
http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3


What happened to chat? When I put the URL into my browser all I received was part of the source code for the forum. I put the URL into my desktop computer that I had not used before to see if maybe the files on the laptop had some how been corrupted but I got the same result. Hope we get to visit with each other soon.

Bill Johnson
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43577 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer Set ID Help
Or the film, or the senic background, etc..... Mine has all that.... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: tomminil@...
To: romoyer@... ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer Set ID Help


You did not mtntion the brownie camera I thinnk this came with the truscot set Tom


-----Original Message-----
From: romoyer@...
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 2:56 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Set ID Help

Yo Everyone:

Good afternoon. I'm an AF operator when I'm home and a Motorola engineer when I'm not. The good part of traveling is, I get a chance to go into hobby shops where ever I'm at. Some times I find stuff some time I don't. Another advantage is when I do find something, I bring it home in my luggage and my wife never finds out about my new aquisitions. But this last aquisition was through my wife (she's a keeper). A friend of hers who was over our home, saw some of my trains and said she had some from her childhood. April (my wife) brings them home. So what I got was a 20550 Frontiersman set with display box and the trains are in beautiful shape. My question on the box is, what goes in the bottom rectangular cut out?

An outer box was there numbered 20558 Truscott assortment. The outer box can almost fit the display box but is too close for me to try. So what is this 20558 outer box?

There's also a 24730 in a seperate box and a 24055 ammo box car with OB.

Last thing is a 20565 cannon flatcar missing one small fence end. The cannon is there but the barrel and tow end casting is detached from the wheel carriage. How does this fit back together?

All help would be appreciated.

Regards

Bob Moyer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43578 From: Robert A Persing Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: Re: Chat Room difficulties
Go to here for tonights chat http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3

I can't get on either. Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: RCESpeak
To: Paul Yorke ; S-Trains
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 8:16 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Chat Room difficulties


Hi Group,

I have been trying to log onto the Sunday chat and am unable. Keep
getting the software program that describes the chat. Will someone
please send me a private email to let me know if this is a problem for
everyone and what I can do about it?

Thanks... Barb
RCESpeak@...




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43579 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: OFF TOPIC MODEL AIRPLANES - YORK
Hey all..... this Friday and sat the York of Model Airplanes will be held at Perry, Ga.... South of Atlanta.... 3 big buildings on the fairgrounds... Huge RC models flying.... really nice http://gamarc.com/georgia.html
click on Southeastern Show..... I will have 2 tables there.... Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43580 From: John Degnan Date: 2/25/2007
Subject: STILL HUNTING...
I am still looking for at least one SHS, UNDECORATED F-3 shell... best condition possible, please. If anyone has one (or more) to spare, please contact me at scaler164@...

Thanks.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...
Southeast Georgia S Scaler


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43581 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 2/26/2007
Subject: Re: E8s
Don,

The Road Name was Pennsylvania. The color is tuscan red.

Thanks,

Joe Haughney



_____

From: Donald Thompson [mailto:don@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 2:44 PM
To: Joseph Haughney
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] E8s



Dear Joe,
You need to let people know what roadname as those were all options.
Best regards,
Don

Joseph Haughney wrote:



Gentlemen

I have been able to get another AM PA E8 to give me an AA configuration for
my layout. I was wondering if anyone had detailed AM E8s (e.g. radio
antennas, etc.) and specifics on what they did.

Regards,

Joe Haughney

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43582 From: Rick Evans Date: 2/26/2007
Subject: Ebay item....now here is quite the re-wire!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43583 From: Phil K Date: 2/26/2007
Subject: Re: Ebay item....now here is quite the re-wire!
Is that the model that runs on straight 120VAC, the set that didn't
need a transformer? LOL

Phil K

************************************************************

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> wrote:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-PRR-312-ENGINE-TENDER-LOCOMOTIVE-
STEAM_W0QQitemZ120089052002QQihZ002QQcategoryZ480QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Whoa!
>
> Rick.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43584 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 2/26/2007
Subject: Re: Ebay item....now here is quite the re-wire!
I love that articulated trailing truck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Must a factory
prototype......
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43585 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 2/26/2007
Subject: Re: Ebay item....now here is quite the re-wire!
That's either some pretty heavy wire, or some very thick insulation! :)
Jim E.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...>
Is that the model that runs on straight 120VAC, the set that didn't
need a transformer? LOL

Phil K

************************************************************

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> wrote:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-PRR-312-ENGINE-TENDER-LOCOMOTIVE-
STEAM_W0QQitemZ120089052002QQihZ002QQcategoryZ480QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Whoa!
>
> Rick.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43586 From: roy inman Date: 2/26/2007
Subject: SHS track
Greetings to all;

Can someone tell me how many sections of the S-Helper S-Trax it takes to
make a circle?

We will be working with the 25" and 30" radius.

Thanks :)

Roy Inman
Group: S-Trains Message: 43587 From: geep39 Date: 2/26/2007
Subject: Re; Quite the Re-Wire!
I wonder how long after this "precision" repair that the engine ran,
if at all!

What's even MORE amazing is the price it went for. Also, there's only
ONE bidder on the list that I recognize as a "regular" bidder. HMMM...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43588 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/26/2007
Subject: Re: SHS track
----- Original Message -----
From: roy inman
Can someone tell me how many sections of the S-Helper S-Trax it takes to
make a circle?
> > > > > > >
Twelve, just like in AF.
Tom Hawley -- Lansign MI
Group: S-Trains Message: 43589 From: WEG138@aol.com Date: 2/26/2007
Subject: Re: Your ZW tranny
Hi Al:
Try to attend a show and look for a Lionel parts dealer. There is a
Gent who sells the parts at the Edison, N J shows.
Bill Greaves
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43590 From: Bill Lane Date: 2/27/2007
Subject: issues with new S Scale products
Hi All,

I have been thinking about this one for a while. I have noticed the tendency
of posts to the S lists asking about "how to fix this problem" or "did you
ever have this problem" with a brand new S item. The first contact should be
to the manufacturer or seller not the S Lists. It should not be "I just got
this new S ____ and it does not work. Was yours broken too?" I understand
that you may be frustrated that your new item is not working properly. But I
have never heard of AM or SHS not going above and beyond to fix any problems
ASAP. If your problem gets resolved quickly we don’t really need to know
about it. I have been friends with Don and Robin Thompson for almost 20
years now. They are GREAT people. If you have a problem with a SHS item call
them or email them first. We can't help you with warrantee issues here.

***Disclaimer*** I have never dealt with Lionel so I do not know how well
they resolve their warrantee problems.

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26
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PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43591 From: roy inman Date: 2/27/2007
Subject: Re: SHS track-Thanks :)
Thanks to all who responded so quickly to my question about SHS track.

What a terrific resource this list is!!!

I recall the bad old days when it would take days sometimes to research a
given topic. Now, we can have answers, and reliable ones at that, in a
matter of minutes or hours.

Kind regards to all :)

Roy Inman
Group: S-Trains Message: 43592 From: frank emiro Date: 2/27/2007
Subject: Re: issues with new S Scale products
Bill, your point is well taken.
I have sent my 4 8 4 UP Northerns back to L and they are working on the smoke unit problem, as well as a forward only problem. With the high cost of todays S items , it is frustrating to not have engines operate properly out of the box. But, at least give he companies a fair shake at fixing the problems you may encounter.

Bill Lane <billlane@...> wrote:
Hi All,

I have been thinking about this one for a while. I have noticed the tendency
of posts to the S lists asking about "how to fix this problem" or "did you
ever have this problem" with a brand new S item. The first contact should be
to the manufacturer or seller not the S Lists. It should not be "I just got
this new S ____ and it does not work. Was yours broken too?" I understand
that you may be frustrated that your new item is not working properly. But I
have never heard of AM or SHS not going above and beyond to fix any problems
ASAP. If your problem gets resolved quickly we don’t really need to know
about it. I have been friends with Don and Robin Thompson for almost 20
years now. They are GREAT people. If you have a problem with a SHS item call
them or email them first. We can't help you with warrantee issues here.

***Disclaimer*** I have never dealt with Lionel so I do not know how well
they resolve their warrantee problems.

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26
http://www.pennsysmodels.com

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRphotos.xls

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE (for now) http://www.prslhs.com
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

See my Altoona train videos here http://www.myspace.com/billlane



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43593 From: Scaler164@comcast.net Date: 2/27/2007
Subject: Re: [S Scale Model Railroading] issues with new S Scale products
Just incase this has anything to do with the post I recently made concerning the problem I found with NWSL's SHS replacement wheelset... my post was not a complaint, it was primarily a post about how to fix the problem as much as it was a notice of that fact that there is a problem. Also for the record, my first e-mail was to NWSL, not to the groups; my post to the group came after I wrote NWSL.

Just pointing out the differences...


John Degnan
Scaler164@...

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Bill Lane" <billlane@...>

> Hi All,
>
> I have been thinking about this one for a while. I have noticed the tendency
> of posts to the S lists asking about "how to fix this problem" or "did you
> ever have this problem" with a brand new S item. The first contact should be
> to the manufacturer or seller not the S Lists. It should not be "I just got
> this new S ____ and it does not work. Was yours broken too?" I understand
> that you may be frustrated that your new item is not working properly. But I
> have never heard of AM or SHS not going above and beyond to fix any problems
> ASAP. If your problem gets resolved quickly we don�t really need to know
> about it. I have been friends with Don and Robin Thompson for almost 20
> years now. They are GREAT people. If you have a problem with a SHS item call
> them or email them first. We can't help you with warrantee issues here.
>
> ***Disclaimer*** I have never dealt with Lionel so I do not know how well
> they resolve their warrantee problems.
>
> Thank You,
> Bill Lane

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43594 From: William Porter Date: 2/27/2007
Subject: Caboose Conversion Question
Esteemed Colleagues,



Today, I traded some stuff for some other stuff. Among the things that came
to me in this fabulous deal is a converted caboose. I recall seeing an
article years ago about a way to 'westernize' an American Flyer caboose. It
involved cutting part of the top off, rotating it to put the cupola
off-center and then filling in a window on the body. The converted caboose
of which I spoke is just such a project. Here is a link to a photo of the
converted caboose and an original caboose.



http://wpporter.duckburg.us/conversion.jpg



My question is: Does anyone know who performed this work?



I would love to keep some notes about the original owner along with the
caboose as a sort of provenance. Some of our accomplishments should not be
forgotten.



Brother Bill



Bill Porter

Loxahatchee, Florida





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43595 From: Robert Boring Date: 2/27/2007
Subject: Steam Train Ride
While this a little off our S scale topics I thought I would pass this along to the group incase any of you are /or will be in the northwest this year. This is a fun ride through some of the great logging country of western Washington. Chelatchie Prairie is where The International Paper Co had a big mill at Amboy Washington to harvest timber from the southwest side of Mt. St. Helens and this RR served the mill.

http://www.columbian.com/news/localNews/02272007news109350.cfm

Also check out http://www.bycx.com for more information.

Now back to your regularly scheduled program.
Thanks
Bob Boring

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43596 From: Alan Evans Date: 2/27/2007
Subject: BLATANT ADVERTISEMENT - A PEEK AT THE 2007 S SPREE CAR
I just happened to be down at the yard tonight and got a shot of the
proposed Timken tank car passing by.



What a beaut!



Three numbers available - both scale & hi Rail wheels
included, AF compatible couplers included.



Based on the Des Plaines Hobbies tanker, three numbers will be
available.



Cost for 1 car (including shipping) is $51.00; two for $98 and
three for $145.



See the pic on cosg.org website. Click on the S Spree and
download the Registration Form with car information.



Better yet, personally come to the S Spree March 30 and 31 in
Hilliard, Ohio, northwest of Columbus.



Lots of sectional club layouts in the 7000 sq ft: -- Baltimore
Area S Gaugers, Central Ohio S Gaugers and Cuyahoga Valley S, AND modular
layouts from Doug Miller, Northern Ohio S Scalers, Richard Lind and NASG.

Many S dealers in the 8500 sq ft trading room.



Taking place in the spacious Makoy Conference Center -- and the
famous COSG Hospitality Room.



Friday 10 - 9:30 Trading Room open; Saturday 8 a.m. to 2:00.



Banquet Saturday night followed by the Auction (sell some of
that unwanted S -- is there such a thing?)



Clinics.



Meet some new S friends or renew acquaintances.



SEE YOU THERE!







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Group: S-Trains Message: 43597 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 2/28/2007
Subject: tca denver
Anybody on this list going to the DENVER TCA in june? If so would anybody like to split a CAB RIDE in on the ROYAL GORGE trip.... I will ride one way in the cab and one way in the coach..... you the other way.... BOB

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43598 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 2/28/2007
Subject: (no subject)
________________________________________________________________________

4. Caboose Conversion Question
Posted by: "William Porter" wpporter@... elgreatzot
Date: Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:37 pm ((PST))

Esteemed Colleagues,


Today, I traded some stuff for some other stuff. Among the things that
came
to me in this fabulous deal is a converted caboose. I recall seeing an
article years ago about a way to 'westernize' an American Flyer caboose.
It
involved cutting part of the top off, rotating it to put the cupola
off-center and then filling in a window on the body. The converted
caboose
of which I spoke is just such a project. Here is a link to a photo of the
converted caboose and an original caboose.


YES, YES I have converted several American Flyer cabooses from the
Pennsylvania style to a Santa-Fe style
By cutting the caboose in several sections. Cut one end off from the
windows ( no windows ) the other end with windows, leaving the copula
section with 2 windows, reverse this section so 4 windows are in line,
glue the blind end to the copula section, so that no windows appear
under the copula. Cut carefully, use a flat surface to align the parts,
soften the plastic with liquid glue and push to gather. Little or no
filler is required. It takes some practice , luckily AF cabooses are
cheep and plentiful.

Jerry HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 43599 From: Mark Preman Date: 2/28/2007
Subject: Basic Maintenance and Repairs
I am noticing some basic type questions being addressed to the group. This is a cyclical thing and a good thing as it means new folks are continually coming in or back to our hobby.

I just want to remind everyone that one of the best basic manuals ever written (and the only one left that is still obtainable) was the one by Tom Barker and we carry it on the website in CD-ROM form. It is a must for your library.
The website is http://www.americanflyertrains.com
Mark


Mark B. Preman
AmericanFlyerTrains.com

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43600 From: Edward G. Date: 2/28/2007
Subject: Another great Wire job ......
This must have been done by the other guys brother ..you can see the
resembalance...ebay #Item number: 180090823167
Group: S-Trains Message: 43601 From: Edward G. Date: 2/28/2007
Subject: More on the Continuing Saga of MTH and the Big L
MTH and Lionel seek settlement

Both sides agree to non-binding mediation
over trade-secret theft and patent dispute

MTH and Lionel have agreed to non-binding mediation in an effort to
end a seven-year struggle over O gauge locomotive drawings stolen in
South Korea.

The case has been a rollercoaster ride for both companies. In June
2004, a Michigan district court jury sided with MTH and awarded the
train manufacturer more than $40 million in damages after it decided
that Lionel wrongly used MTH's "trade secrets."

Lionel filed for bankruptcy protection in November 2004, and two
months later Lionel filed an appeal in the trade-secrets case.

On Dec. 14, 2006, a three-judge panel from the Sixth Circuit Court of
Appeals returned the case to the Michigan court when it reversed that
court's denial of Lionel's request for a new trial.

Lionel's bankruptcy judge, frustrated by the lack of closure in the
trade-secrets case and the need for Lionel to emerge from bankruptcy
protection after reporting a profit for 2006, in January strongly
urged both sides to reach a settlement.

On Feb. 1, documents were filed in bankruptcy court stating that MTH
and Lionel agreed to mediation overseen by bankruptcy Judge Cecelia
G. Morris of the Southern District of New York, where Lionel's case
resides. The document stresses that the mediation proceedings are
confidential.

Smoke-control patent part of talks

In addition to the trade-secrets case, MTH's patent-infringement
dispute with Lionel will be part of the mediation.

On June 12, 2006, MTH filed a lawsuit accusing Lionel of infringing
on three MTH patents dealing with "Control, Sound, and Operating
System for Model Trains."

MTH's patent-infringement lawsuit was the result of patent-law
maneuvering on behalf of both MTH and Lionel dating to August 2005,
when MTH filed a $17 million patent-infringement claim document.
A "claim document" is not a lawsuit.

In May 2006, Lionel sought court permission to gather documents and
depositions from MTH and Train America Studios related to electronic
control of trains and other broader topics, a procedure that is often
a precursor to legal action. MTH filed a lawsuit as a counter measure
to keep Lionel from access to what MTH felt were unrelated business
documents.

However, On June 20, 2006, MTH announced that it was dropping its
patent-infringement lawsuit until the appeals court decided the fate
of the trade-secrets case. MTH has not re-filed the patent lawsuit
although the appeals court decision was announced in December 2006.

One of the key issues in the patent conflict is the use of puffing
smoke that is electronically - rather than mechanically -
synchronized to the speed of an O gauge locomotive. MTH states that
Lionel is in violation of its smoke-system patent.

Appeals court door not fully shut

Despite the ruling by the three-judge appeals panel, the trade-
secrets case may not be fully closed at the appellate level.

On Dec. 28, attorneys representing MTH filed a routine petition with
the appeals court asking that all 16 appellate judges - rather than
the panel of three judges - review the case. Such petitions are
typically denied.

However, the court on Jan. 18 asked Lionel to respond to the MTH
petition, indicating that the court might decide to take another look
at the case. There is no timeframe for the court's decision. The
court asked Lionel's attorneys to respond by Feb. 1, but that
response has not been filed as an on-line court document.

Because of continued uncertainty concerning the final outcome of the
appeals court case, Lionel's attorneys requested and received on Feb.
22 a fourth extension to exclusively file a plan for Lionel to emerge
from bankruptcy. The court added 60 days to the previous deadline of
April 30.

Appeals court findings

The three appeals court judges faulted the Michigan court for
allowing testimony from a University of Michigan professor of
mechanical engineering, who testified that the drawings used by
Lionel's South Korean manufacturing partner Korea Brass were
partially copied from those stolen from MTH's South Korean
manufacturing partner Samhongsa.

The judicial panel also stated that a $12.8 million portion of the
jury award, which the jury had placed under the heading of "unjust
enrichment," was excessive.

Lastly, the judicial panel reversed the lower court's granting of an
injunction requested by MTH against Lionel that has kept Lionel from
using the disputed locomotive plans to produce trains.

Michigan jury agreed with MTH

In June 2004, a U.S. District Court, Eastern District of Michigan,
jury awarded MTH more than $40 million in damages after it found that
defendants Lionel, Korea Brass, and Korea Brass' representative Yoo
Chan Yang unfairly profited from stolen MTH blueprints used in the
production of high-end Lionel steam locomotives.

The decision over what attorneys refer to as stolen "trade secrets"
came after an 18-day trial in Detroit. Jurors found Lionel L.L.C.
liable of misappropriation of MTH's trade secrets. The exact amount
of the award at the time was $40,775,745.00.

MTH had sued Lionel in April 2000, charging that Lionel knew - or
should have known - that the blueprints used to build the Lionel
locomotives had been stolen. MTH said the Korea Brass-built models
were created in too brief a time for a company that had no previous
experience producing die-cast metal articulated O gauge locomotives.

"Trade secrets" stolen in South Korea

Computer files containing the locomotive drawings were stolen in 1998
or 1999 from Samhongsa, MTH's former South Korean manufacturing
partner, and, according to MTH's lawsuit, were discovered in the
hands of a design firm that did sub-contract work for Korea Brass.
Four South Koreans were arrested by South Korean authorities and
subsequently convicted in the case, according to the lawsuit.

The Michigan jury was asked to determine whether the stolen drawings
fit the definition of trade secrets and whether Lionel wrongly
profited from the drawings.

While the appeals court nullified the jury's decision, the court
determined that the definition of "trade secrets" in the Michigan
trial was properly addressed.

The drawings showed mechanical and electrical subassemblies for O
gauge articulated locomotives and tools and dies to produce those
subassemblies, MTH president Mike Wolf told CLASSIC TOY TRAINS
magazine. The drawings were not for complete locomotives. The
locomotives involved included MTH's Premier line Chesapeake & Ohio
Allegheny, Union Pacific Big Boy, and Norfolk & Western A-class 2-6-6-
4, although the Michigan court issued an injunction against Lionel
that prevented Lionel from using other locomotive drawings as well as
those for the three articulated locomotives.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43602 From: Alan Evans Date: 3/1/2007
Subject: FW: BLATANT ADVERTISEMENT - A PEEK AT THE 2007 S SPREE CAR
I just happened to be down at the yard tonight and got a shot of the
proposed Timken tank car passing by.



What a beaut!



Three numbers available - both scale & hi Rail wheels
included, AF compatible couplers included.



Based on the Des Plaines Hobbies tanker, three numbers will be
available.



Cost for 1 car (including shipping) is $51.00; two for $98 and
three for $145.



See the pic on cosg.org website. Click on the S Spree and
download the Registration Form with car information.



Better yet, personally come to the S Spree March 30 and 31 in
Hilliard, Ohio, northwest of Columbus.



Lots of sectional club layouts in the 7000 sq ft: -- Baltimore
Area S Gaugers, Central Ohio S Gaugers and Cuyahoga Valley S, AND modular
layouts from Doug Miller, Northern Ohio S Scalers, Richard Lind and NASG.

Many S dealers in the 8500 sq ft trading room.



Taking place in the spacious Makoy Conference Center -- and the
famous COSG Hospitality Room.



Friday 10 - 9:30 Trading Room open; Saturday 8 a.m. to 2:00.



Banquet Saturday night followed by the Auction (sell some of
that unwanted S -- is there such a thing?)



Clinics.



Meet some new S friends or renew acquaintances.



SEE YOU THERE!







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Group: S-Trains Message: 43603 From: Mark Preman Date: 3/1/2007
Subject: For the Moderator's File
Phil K,
Please contact me off-line. Thanks
Mark


Mark B. Preman
AmericanFlyerTrains.com

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43604 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 3/1/2007
Subject: Badger Acrylic Paint
Good news, bad news with a Q. I normally don't like-or use (except for washes) acrylic paints. However, I had no choice with the color. I used Badger's Amtrack Blue and AT&SF red and was very impressed-they went onto bare plastic (prep was a toothbrush, Comet cleanser, and water) with great coverage-and-gasp-stayed on when masking tape was removed. Thinned 'em with rubbing alcohol.Also, there was no wrinkling or lift when I shot Humbrol enamel over the blue. OK, there's the endorsement. Used their clear satin on a plane and wanted to die, it went on so poorly! Put the model into soapy water at once, have lightly toothpasted it, but the dang stuff is still mostly there. Anone have an idea how to get it off without trashing the model? It's an Eduard Albatros Dlll, Red Baron version, and I can't replace it, it's OOP. HELP!!-J Marganski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43605 From: roy inman Date: 3/1/2007
Subject: NASG promo stuff
Hi to all;

Just FYI: I have received a small number of SHS 2007 catalogs from Don
Thompson. I was quite pleased to get some promotional material from a
manufacturer, and it is the usual SHS excellent quality. Wonderful
photography, which I assume was done mostly or entirely by Bob Werre.

So, if you have a train show coming up, preferably a large one, I can send a
few catalogs out with the other NASG materials.

I know these must be VERY expensive to produce, and since I have such a
limited number, I ask that you give them out only to those who show a more
than passing interest in your displays.

Not trying to be elitist here. Just trying to get the biggest bang from our
limited promotional materials buck.

As an example, I will take about 6 only to our annual KC Rail Expo show and
sales meet in the fall at Union Station.

I will probably keep them under the table and give out only to those who
hang around and ask such things as "Where can I buy S trains?" Of course we
have the S buyers guide, a very effective marketing tool. But for the
excited, potential S gauger standing in front of me, that colorful 2007 SHS
catalog will be of considerable help in perhaps making the final little
nudge to get that person into S.

Another option, which might be better yet, would be to post in a conspicuous
place at the show and encourage interested folks to take one of the buyers
guides to get the SHS web site and for a pretty comprehensive list of other
S providers as well.

For those who have not seen the 2007 catalog: It is a large sheet, about
32"x23" unfolded, full color front and back. If unfolded and put on foam
core or suchlike, two copies, showing front and back, would make a rather
impressive visual for passers-by.

I understand that at best it's a judgment call deciding who gets what. But
I cringe at the thought of seeing these gems representing the state of the
art in S winding up in the circular file, perhaps even before the (lukewarm)
visitor leaves the building.

Cheers :)

Roy Inman
Group: S-Trains Message: 43606 From: ken garber Date: 3/1/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NASG promo stuff
On 3/1/07, roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
>
>
> I understand that at best it's a judgment call deciding who gets what.
> But
> I cringe at the thought of seeing these gems representing the state of the
> art in S winding up in the circular file, perhaps even before the
> (lukewarm)
> visitor leaves the building.


I would agree that something like those should be hidden and availble to the
serious visitor. I recently had a setup at a train show and had a
handfull of flyers laid out.

They didn't last past the first day. People see freebies and grab same
whether or not there's a true interest. Maybe something as simple as not
having them within arm's reach can help. They're visible but have to be
requested.


Ken


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43607 From: roy inman Date: 3/1/2007
Subject: FW: {S-Scale List} NASG promo stuff-good suggestion
Hi again all;

Don emailed me with this excellent suggestion.

Makes perfect sense to me!

A little club fundraiser and also gets the catalogs into the hands of those
who are really interested.

Roy
----------
From: Donald Thompson <don@...>
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:27:38 -0500
To: roy inman <rinphoto@...>
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NASG promo stuff


Dear Roy,
We printed a bunch, so we can give you more. We request that clubs to
not give away catalogs, but sell at face value and use the money for
refreshments for the troops. People not willing to invest such a small
amount to learn about our scale will most likely not ever get into "S".
Don

roy inman wrote:





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43608 From: ken garber Date: 3/1/2007
Subject: Re: FW: {S-Scale List} NASG promo stuff-good suggestion
I seem to recall some catalogues (not necessarily S) that were charged for
came with a coupon in that amount for the first purchase effectively making
the catalog free with purchase.

Might help in the Scheme of thingS.


Ken




On 3/1/07, roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
>
> ----------
>
> Dear Roy,
> We printed a bunch, so we can give you more. We request that clubs to
> not give away catalogs, but sell at face value and use the money for
> refreshments for the troops. People not willing to invest such a small
> amount to learn about our scale will most likely not ever get into "S".
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43609 From: roy inman Date: 3/2/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NASG promo stuff
In a world where we had unlimited budges and could afford to distribute
unlimited numbers of handouts, there would be not so much concern about
getting them into the hands of the most interested.

In the REAL world, however, seems to me that we all have to be somewhat more
crafty in how we exploit our resources, to wit:

-Don Thompson's suggestion to charge the $3.00 cover price for catalogs.

-Ken's idea of just placing all promotional materials out of arm's reach, so
that they have to be requested.

-A money-back coupon in the catalog or a dollars-off coupon on the first
order.

-Use SHS catalogs as "posters" to grab the attention of passers-by.

I would like to see a DVD about NASG/S produced and available for hand out.
The per-price cost of each unit is pretty small, if one gets several
thousand produced. It could also be shown on continuous loop with a DVD
player/TV monitor at shows.

Any other ideas welcomed.

I want to remind everyone that we do have some really nice S banners that
are eye-catchers and can be borrowed rent-free for train shows.

Roy Inman



I would agree that something like those should be hidden and availble to the
serious visitor. I recently had a setup at a train show and had a
handfull of flyers laid out.

They didn't last past the first day. People see freebies and grab same
whether or not there's a true interest. Maybe something as simple as not
having them within arm's reach can help. They're visible but have to be
requested.

Ken

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43610 From: William Porter Date: 3/2/2007
Subject: Portlines
Is anyone else having trouble connecting to the Portlines web site?



Bill



Bill Porter

Loxahatchee, Florida





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43611 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 3/2/2007
Subject: USE BURMA SHAVE
Dress up you layout with
a catchy but original
Burma Shave Sign.
http://www.fiftiesweb.com/burma.htm

Glenn

Train wrecks few
Reason clear
Fireman
Never hugs
Engineer
Burma-Shave

Trains Don't Wander
All Over the Map
'Cause Nobody Sits
On The Engineer's Lap
Burma-Shave

Train approaching
Whistle squealing
Pause!
Avoid that
Rundown feeling!
Burma-Shave
The hobo
Lets his
Whiskers sprout
It's trains--not girls
That he takes out
Burma-Shave

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43612 From: Bruce D. Willis Date: 3/2/2007
Subject: Loose Wheel Repair
If you have metal locomotive wheels that are loose on their axle, I
discovered a great way to tighten them up. I've previously tried
slipping wheels back on the axle over a piece of paper - with mixed
success because the paper frequently tears. An extremely thin metal
shim would be ideal. So I took individual strands from a scrap of
stranded wire and used them for shims. Put one or more strands
through the center of the wheel and push the wheel back on the axle.
If it's a tight fit, trim off the dangling strand(s). If it's still
loose, pull it back off, add another strand, and try again.
- Bruce W.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43613 From: frank emiro Date: 3/2/2007
Subject: Re: Portlines
Doug said he has called his server and they are working on getting him up and running soon.

William Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: Is anyone else having trouble connecting to the Portlines web site?

Bill

Bill Porter

Loxahatchee, Florida

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43614 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/2/2007
Subject: Inventory Reduction Sale, Detroit Area Train Show
I will have tables at the Gratiot Valley Train Show at Macomb Community College at Martin & Hayes in Warren Michigan. There will be an additional 20% off our already "competitive" prices on all freight cars except SHS reefers and recently issued kits, and on all building kits. Discount is for in-person transactions at the train show only; no mail-order.

I will have the usual AM and SHS products, and a few things you might not expect to find at a train show, such as
PEM's container on highway chassis,
a good selection of Pine Canyon building kits,
S scale graffiti decals,
cast scrap loads for AM gondolas,
Pere Marquette-lettered gondolas with coiled steel loads,
an SHS RTR set with complete DCC set-up,
an LVM PRR round roof auto car kit,
Southwind 4-truck flat cars,
45 foot semi-trailers decorated Burlington Northern
Southwind transformer flatcar loads
28 inch scale wheels for spine cars & coupler-height problem cars
And lots more

tom Hawley -- Michigan Models

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43615 From: Phil K Date: 3/2/2007
Subject: Re: Portlines
Doug Peck posted a note on his site that people using the new IE7.0
may have problems negotiating the Portlines Hobbies website. But
duh ... if you can't get in, you can't read the notice, I guess.

BTW, I use IE7.0 and have not experienced any problems, though. I was
just in there.

Doug says you might want to revert to IE6.0 until the glitch gets
fixed. They had the same problems with the Trains.com websites
(especially the forums) until the Kalbach IT expert (Erik Bergstrom,
et al) upgraded the forum software to be compatable with 7.0.

Being as ignorant about this geek stuff as I am lovable, I cannot
explain it more better. ;-)

Phil K

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> Is anyone else having trouble connecting to the Portlines web site?
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> Bill
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43616 From: trainman634 Date: 3/2/2007
Subject: Needham Packing Company
Lionel is making a Needham Packing Company reefer #48366 this year.
Does anyone have any information on the company? What year was it
started? I try to collect roadnames before 1970. Would this car look
correct in that time period?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43617 From: kenwoodies1 Date: 3/3/2007
Subject: Re: Needham Packing Company
Check out the following link for a photo taken by Jim Sands in 1968.
Jim Duncan

http://freight.railfan.ca/wclx/wclx2324.jpg
Group: S-Trains Message: 43618 From: George Cohn Date: 3/3/2007
Subject: Re: Portlines
Phil K wrote:
>
> Doug says you might want to revert to IE6.0 until the glitch gets
> fixed. They had the same problems with the Trains.com websites
> (especially the forums) until the Kalbach IT expert (Erik Bergstrom,
> et al) upgraded the forum software to be compatable with 7.0.
>
> Being as ignorant about this geek stuff as I am lovable, I cannot
> explain it more better. ;-)

Being an IT geek, I can tell you that IE7 is just Microsoft's desire to
rewrite the standards so that you have to use their products.

Most of my IT friends recommend that you not upgrade to IE7 at this time.

I use Firefox and have no problems with his website.

Microsoft copied the "look and feel" of Firefox with their IE7 but
apparently created some problems.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 43619 From: amflyrguy Date: 3/3/2007
Subject: Wall scenery
Does anyone know of wallpaper that could be used around the walls of a
layout to simulate scenery or cities or something?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43620 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 3/3/2007
Subject: Re: Needham Packing Company
Just do a Goggle search for Needham Packing and you will find a lot of
information. It appears Needham was active in the mid-west and operated
under several different names during at least the 1960s through the
1970s. I didn't spend a lot of time reading all the references but you
can probably find whatever details you are looking for on Goggle.

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "trainman634" <wes4260@...> wrote:
>
> Lionel is making a Needham Packing Company reefer #48366 this year.
> Does anyone have any information on the company? What year was it
> started? I try to collect roadnames before 1970. Would this car look
> correct in that time period?
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43621 From: Donald Thompson Date: 3/3/2007
Subject: Re: Needham Packing Company
You need a copy of "Classic Freight Cars - The Series" and look on
page 39. A nice color picture of LLNX 2454 Needham Packing Company 40'
stell reefer in Baby Blue, black with red and white lettering. The
captions state the photo was taken on Feb 13, 1970 in Pueblo, Co. The
car was built in 1930 and looks freshly painted.
Don

trainman634 wrote:

> Lionel is making a Needham Packing Company reefer #48366 this year.
> Does anyone have any information on the company? What year was it
> started? I try to collect roadnames before 1970. Would this car look
> correct in that time period?
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43622 From: Mark Preman Date: 3/3/2007
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale
The march list is posted at http://www.americanflyertrains.com

Don't forget to checkout the amazing collection of American Flyer books and videos on the website!

Mark


Mark B. Preman
AmericanFlyerTrains.com

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43623 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/3/2007
Subject: Re: Wall scenery
----- Original Message -----
From: amflyrguy
Does anyone know of wallpaper that could be used around the walls of a
layout to simulate scenery or cities or something?
> > > > > > >
Yes.
http://www.backdropwarehouse.com/indexbdwh.htm
Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
Group: S-Trains Message: 43624 From: coronetbb Date: 3/3/2007
Subject: Train Show Video
Just wanted to share the following link for a train show video. Some
neat stuff. Looks Good.

http://www.merchantssquaremall.com/video/Train012007_0004.wmv

They have more info at www.lehighvalleytrainmeet.com. Might be worth
looking at. Redman
Group: S-Trains Message: 43625 From: rj4010d Date: 3/3/2007
Subject: Santa Fe B unit / railsounds
Russ Dondero Did you find a new B unit with railsounds? I have an
extra one I might sell.Contact me off list if you want.Bob Guckian
Group: S-Trains Message: 43626 From: rj4010d Date: 3/3/2007
Subject: Smoke fluid
Thanks to Fred Jester for sending a sample bottle of smoke fluid to
all "S"train clubs.The Miami Vally S Gaugers of Dayton oh had their 20
x 32 moduler layout set up in Eaton Oh for three weekends of public
veiwing in December. We used his smoke fluid in oringal Flyer, American
Models,the new Lionel docksiders & the new Lionel 4-8-4 's and it
worked great in all models!!!! Thanks again Fred!
Sincerely,
Bob Guckian on behalf of the MVSG
Group: S-Trains Message: 43627 From: Bradley Date: 3/4/2007
Subject: All Aboard Website
The All Aboard Scenic Panel Website has moved to Trainweb. The new URL
is www.trainweb.org/allaboardsets/.

Brad
Group: S-Trains Message: 43628 From: Bill Lane Date: 3/4/2007
Subject: page update
Hi All,

I just rediscovered 3 photos of my American Flyer layout that I made when I
was 13. I added them to my website here.
http://www.lanestrains.com/Runnnig_Trains.htm You can look around at some of
the other pages as well since I have been adding to it a lot lately.

BTW bill@... is my new email address but my Comcast still works.

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26
http://www.pennsysmodels.com

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRphotos.xls

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE (for now) http://www.prslhs.com
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

See my Altoona train videos here http://www.myspace.com/billlane



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43629 From: Chris Date: 3/5/2007
Subject: Chat? What Chat?
Hey guys, sorry to drop out of Chat tonight. My wife called me away
for some tragedy or another and I forgot to come back. Watched a
little TV, drifted off, woke up in pain, got up to turn off the lights
and saw the computer screen: "Where's Chris?" "Dunno, we were just
talking to him" "Did he fall asleep at the keyboard?"

ROTFLASTC! (Rolling On The Floor Laughing And Scaring The Cat.)

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 43630 From: Alan Evans Date: 3/5/2007
Subject: Locking AM engines for AC layout blocks
List:



Friend's 9 x 16 layout is set up in blocks. Wants to run
several AM engines on AC power with Flyer 19B. But cannot lock the E-unit.



Suggestions?



Thanking you in advance.



- Alan (the Ohio) Evans



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43631 From: Dave W Date: 3/5/2007
Subject: Flyer Atlantic w/valve gear?
Please correct my fuzzy memory, gang.

Is/was there such a thing as a Flyer Atlantic with full Walschaerts
valve gear like the Hudsons, K5s etc?

Dave W
Group: S-Trains Message: 43632 From: race944t Date: 3/5/2007
Subject: York badges
WOW the York registration is really quick this year. I sent in my
registration information last Wednesday and already have my badges!!
If anyone is keeping track, I'll be at my normal Blue K-21.

Bill Clark
(Banker Bill)
Group: S-Trains Message: 43633 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 3/5/2007
Subject: Re: York badges
i mailed mine wed.. arrived today....... bob
----- Original Message -----
From: race944t
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 9:52 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] York badges


WOW the York registration is really quick this year. I sent in my
registration information last Wednesday and already have my badges!!
If anyone is keeping track, I'll be at my normal Blue K-21.

Bill Clark
(Banker Bill)





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43634 From: Steve Lunde Date: 3/6/2007
Subject: MTH Smoke Units
I am planning on installing a MTH fan driven smoke unit in a AF Hudson
along with Tsunami sound for DCC. Does anybody have any experience
with these smoke units in general or DCC?

Thanks in advance
Steve Lunde
Group: S-Trains Message: 43635 From: cucountry1 Date: 3/6/2007
Subject: fraudulent bidder on ebay
Good morning all..I know many of us buy and sell on eBay, it's a great
way to supplement our collections, to make new friends or to thin out
excess ( is there ever "excess" ? ). Be very aware there has been a
guy from Ohio who is registered on eBay as Pactowing. Go to his
feedback page and you will see at least nine instances of having
purchased Flyer, received the goods, in some cases even sending thanks
for a good transaction, then almost two months later filing a
chargeback with PayPal, efffectively tying up the funds. How do I know
this ? I sold him a gorgeous NH 499 back the first part of January.
Fortunately mine went UPS and since it was valued at over $250 he had
to sign for it when it arrived. It did, he did. And now he's claiming
it was an unauthorized purchase. Funny, there's a ton of stuff he
bought, some of which he is disputing, some not. I know RFGCO is ( or
was at one time ) a memeber on this list, he too is being scammed.
Just be careful out there.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43636 From: Tim Benner Date: 3/6/2007
Subject: Re: Questions on SIT tuneup
A hearty Thank You to all who offered advice on the 'sticky' SIT
motor. What a great group!

I resurfaced & polished the commutator per an article on Portlines
site, popped in new brushes and springs and the SIT runs like new.

As an ex-owner of a 326 I wan't sure I was going to like the 322 SIT
but that was when it wasn't working. Now it is one of my favorites...
it has a lot of character.

Thanks Again!

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 43637 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/6/2007
Subject: Re: fraudulent bidder on ebay
It's easy to put him on your blocked bidder list. Then you don't ever
forget.
Seems like he got to Mike's (in FL.) friend 6 times.
He also has amassed quite a collection. Mike
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43638 From: Carl Date: 3/6/2007
Subject: To introduce myself
I'm Carl from So. Oregon. As a boy in the 40's & 50's I had a 302
powered set. I thought that American Flyer was prettier (Still do)
than those other trains with the 3 rail track. I have a small
collection of AF trains (14 engines & about 80 cars) and I belong to a
toy train group in So. Ore. (mostly 3 railers). I almost have my
train room finished and can then start building my layout. I have
what I need to start. My wife supports my hobbies (I also have home
machining as a hobby) and gave me a 332 engine and a barrel loader for
Christmas. Now that we are semi-retired the time will be available to
pursue our hobbies (she does stained glass & woodwork). My wife is
excited about our train layout and with her woodworking and artistic
skills will be a real partner in this endeavor. She sat through two
of the scenery building sessions in the recent train show in Portland
and can't wait to start. Carl
Group: S-Trains Message: 43639 From: Al Paolozzi Date: 3/6/2007
Subject: March April S-gaugian
A question for the S guys & gals. I subscribe to S Gaugian magazine as I am sure many of our list members do. I live in Nevada and have
friends in several other states including Nevada that have received their issues a week to two weeks ago. Anyone else still waiting for their Mar/Apr issues besides me??? And the postal service wants to raise rates!!!! Might be better to buy over the counter. Only problem is finding a counter that it is for sale over. Al Paolozzi
Group: S-Trains Message: 43640 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/6/2007
Subject: Missing group emails?
If you have missed email delivery of some posts as I have, here's an
explanation.If

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While we were working on an improvement to our email delivery systems, email
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43641 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/6/2007
Subject: Re: fraudulent bidder on ebay
Sadly, I see he even scam MW Auctions on Main, the ebayer who sold me the flat car with repro pipes.

But how does someone do a "chargeback" long after you have paid and received the merchandise?

Pay Pal lets this happen? So he got his money back from the sellers?

That is sad.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43642 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 3/7/2007
Subject: Re: To introduce myself
Carl;

Welcome! Great group here, lots of knowledge. Sounds to me like you
are in for a super great time.

cheers
phil

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Carl" <frazer51@...> wrote:
>
> I'm Carl from So. Oregon. As a boy in the 40's & 50's I had a 302
> powered set. I thought that American Flyer was prettier (Still do)
> than those other trains with the 3 rail track. I have a small
> collection of AF trains (14 engines & about 80 cars) and I belong
to a
> toy train group in So. Ore. (mostly 3 railers). I almost have my
> train room finished and can then start building my layout. I have
> what I need to start. My wife supports my hobbies (I also have
home
> machining as a hobby) and gave me a 332 engine and a barrel loader
for
> Christmas. Now that we are semi-retired the time will be available
to
> pursue our hobbies (she does stained glass & woodwork). My wife is
> excited about our train layout and with her woodworking and
artistic
> skills will be a real partner in this endeavor. She sat through
two
> of the scenery building sessions in the recent train show in
Portland
> and can't wait to start. Carl
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43643 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 3/7/2007
Subject: Re: MTH Smoke Units
No experience with the smoke unit, but I just finished converting an
AF
4-8-4 to Tsunami heavy steam and what a super hoot that engine turned
out to be! I'm 12 again!! I used the original smoke unit and
operate
it at track voltage with a Tsunami driven relay off F6.

I may have gone a bit extreme, but here is the mod list for the loco:

1 - CAN motor conversion (I'm pushing Tsunami's limits as it is)
2 - re-geared smoke piston to "almost" 4 - 1 ratio
3 - Magnetic chuff sync off the smoke piston with reed relay
4 - Tsunami heavy steam (I put the decoder in the boiler section on a
plate right over the smoke unit piston gears)
5 - added front / rear LED's for marker lights
6 - added rear back up light
7 - added a front driver electrical pick up to get me over 1 cranky
spot on my layout. (really easy to do, picture taking a left over e-
unit pickup, trimming it down to fit between the front driver wheels
and the contacts will each engage with a left and right rail wheel,
run the pick ups up to the red / black wires for the decoder, in
parallel with the tender pickups.
8 - deadened the Gilbert choo choo sound by putting caulc in the
sound chamber, then drilling a 1/8 hole to allow some smoke piston
back side air flow, can't hear it at all (learned that trick from
Bill Clark on my AM 4-6-2 conversions)
9 - nice large oval speaker in the tender, since the decoder is up
front, plenty of room in there.

It really makes a cool sounding and running loco, smokes quite
heavily coming up to speed, then it tapers off to a light smoke since
the pulse rate is pretty high. Coupled with the Tsunami load sensing
ability and motor control it turned from a grumpy old loco that I
hardly ever ran into a treat to watch and listen to.

My next go is going to be a Hudson, not as much room in the chasis
for messing with smoke unit gears, maybe your approach is better for
that,,, hmmmmmm.

I have some pictures if you want them.

cheers
phil


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Lunde" <srmj@...> wrote:
>
> I am planning on installing a MTH fan driven smoke unit in a AF
Hudson
> along with Tsunami sound for DCC. Does anybody have any experience
> with these smoke units in general or DCC?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Steve Lunde
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43644 From: RCESpeak Date: 3/7/2007
Subject: To introduce myself
Hi Carl and welcome to our group.

It sounds as though you are ready to start on your layout
and we are all anxious to see your progress. So make sure
you get a photo album in our gallery, take progress photos
and post them. Then let us know when you update the album
so we can follow along.

How exciting to be starting a new layout. Good luck and
bring all of your questions to this group. Our experts
can handle anything you throw at them. It's great that
your wife will add her skills and experience. What fun you
are going to have!

CheerS.... Barb
Group: S-Trains Message: 43645 From: RCESpeak Date: 3/7/2007
Subject: March April S-gaugian
Al,

I am still waiting on my issue too!!

Barb
Group: S-Trains Message: 43646 From: trainman634 Date: 3/7/2007
Subject: Lionel or K-Line Trucks
Do we know which trucks will be used on the 2007 American Flyer
freight cars? I was under the impression that Lionel was going
to use the K-Line S-Gauge freight car trucks. The pictures in the
2007 catalog show the American Flyer trucks. Does anyone know the
answer?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43647 From: Al Baker Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: Removing Dry Transfers
How does one remove dry transfers? Can it be done without damaging
the paint underneath?

Al Baker
Portland
Group: S-Trains Message: 43648 From: Al Paolozzi Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: Re: March April S-gaugian
Thanks to all that responded re: the mar/apr S- gaugian. A lot of members just are receiving it and a few, like me, still have not received it. Strange!!! I look forward to it, and several friends received it weeks ago. Oh well, maybe tomorrow? Thanks again
Al Paolozzi, S in Nevada
----- Original Message -----
From: RCESpeak
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:40 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:March April S-gaugian


Al,

I am still waiting on my issue too!!

Barb




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43649 From: cindynovak2003 Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: pictures of how we moved our layout
Hi all,
I've posted pictures (album is titled 'How to move a layout') of how
we secured our layout for the move from east coast to west coast.
While we haven't taken everything apart (lack of space), initial
inspection shows no damage.
Cindy
Group: S-Trains Message: 43650 From: Bill Porter Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: Re: Removing Dry Transfers
I have had good luck using Scotch tape. Press it on and pull them off.
Repeat as necessary. The only problem you will have is if there was clear
paint applied over the letters. Otherwise, they come right off.



Good Luck,

Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Al Baker
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:28 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Removing Dry Transfers



How does one remove dry transfers? Can it be done without damaging
the paint underneath?

Al Baker
Portland

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43651 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: Flyonel Erie Pacific
The ERIE 4-6-2 PACIFIC STEAM LOCO (48052)released last year by Flyonel
is a TMCC equiped locomotive that seems to have a lot of inventory
sitting around.

The question I have is why was this not more popular?

Did many(any) on this list buy one?

Any issues, and how do you like it?

Anyone willing to speculate?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43652 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Erie Pacific
I have one. It is a beautiful Loco.

I have a review at:
http://www.tuveson.com/pacific-heavyweights/pacific-heavyweights.htm

I suspect that there are too many Pacifics already out there competing for the train dollars and that has slowed the sales down.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of acgilbertflyer
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 7:44 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel Erie Pacific


The ERIE 4-6-2 PACIFIC STEAM LOCO (48052)released last year by Flyonel
is a TMCC equiped locomotive that seems to have a lot of inventory
sitting around.

The question I have is why was this not more popular?

Did many(any) on this list buy one?

Any issues, and how do you like it?

Anyone willing to speculate?



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43653 From: Andy Klarmann Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: Flyer HO?
Hi all. In addition to collecting/operating S gauge I am interested
in Gilbert Tru-Model HO. I was wondering if anyone else has this
disease that may be attending York. I can't go myself but was hoping
I could pass along a shopping list.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43654 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer HO?
ANDY..... I came out of the closet about 2 years ago..... welcome to the club...... I am going to York and I am taking a Frontiersman boxed set to sell...... Have over 50 sets..... These things are like PEANUTS..... Can't eat just one....... Bob... RCON7
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Klarmann
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 8:37 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer HO?


Hi all. In addition to collecting/operating S gauge I am interested
in Gilbert Tru-Model HO. I was wondering if anyone else has this
disease that may be attending York. I can't go myself but was hoping
I could pass along a shopping list.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43655 From: Bill Adams Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: Belated Thanks
I wanted to thank everyone for the excellent replies and suggestions
to my questions about separately wiring the accessories on my layout.
We'll give them a try shortly.

I've changed my mind about returning the Brand X KW transformer I
purchased. It is not right that a small fifty year old "kid's toy"
can get the best of a grown adult. Having resolved myself to use it,
I'm going to attempt to wire my layouts to it again. Trying to wire
Gilbert's base, variable and 15 volt wiring to those A, B, C, D and
multiple U posts could drive any grandfather to seek either "extreme
spiritual guidance" or "massive quantities of adult beverages".

However, ......I have "made a solemn vow upon the Almighty AF Gilbert
alter" never to purchase that brand again.......

Bill Adams
Group: S-Trains Message: 43656 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: For Trade: SHS Billboard Reefer
Hi All,

I have an extra SHS Showcase Lines 01512 MBIX Merchant's Biscuit
billboard reefer to trade for any other SHS billboard reefer that I
don't currently have. The car in new-in-box. If you are interested
in making a trade let me know what you have available.

David Tyner: aka "BG1"
Group: S-Trains Message: 43657 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Erie Pacific
Nice looking, but it's simply too expensive.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43658 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel or K-Line Trucks
Was K-Line using American Model trucks on their cars?
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43659 From: Rick Evans Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel or K-Line Trucks
I thought I was told they were made by the same company that
makes SHS trucks. True??

Rick.



Was K-Line using American Model trucks on their cars?



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43660 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: Re: Belated Thanks
Gilbert transformer designers were of the "KISS" school.
At "Big L" they had people who could have been the father of a Microsoft engineer, the transformer is more liks an SLR camera which can take great pictures, but gives you lots of things that can be set wrong and mess up the picture. Gilbert as a camera would be a "point and shoot"

jfred

Bill Adams <WMFADAMSNY@...> wrote: I wanted to thank everyone for the excellent replies and suggestions
to my questions about separately wiring the accessories on my layout.
We'll give them a try shortly.

I've changed my mind about returning the Brand X KW transformer I
purchased. It is not right that a small fifty year old "kid's toy"
can get the best of a grown adult. Having resolved myself to use it,
I'm going to attempt to wire my layouts to it again. Trying to wire
Gilbert's base, variable and 15 volt wiring to those A, B, C, D and
multiple U posts could drive any grandfather to seek either "extreme
spiritual guidance" or "massive quantities of adult beverages".

However, ......I have "made a solemn vow upon the Almighty AF Gilbert
alter" never to purchase that brand again.......

Bill Adams






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Group: S-Trains Message: 43661 From: Alex Sibbald Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: paint
Hi all,
I have a question concerning the painting of "s" scale plastic people
which I obtained on ebay. The package contained 50 sitting and standing
figures apparently injection molded. The paint I am using is testor's
enamel but it never dries completely. I have tried washing the figures
with dish detergent and a toothbrush to eliminate any mold release and
also tried using Krylon Fusion spray paint for plastic as a base coat to
no avail. I still wind up with a bunch of tacky characters. Does anyone
have a cure?
Thanks alot,
Alex Sibbald
Group: S-Trains Message: 43662 From: John Degnan Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: Frenchman River Model Works
Anyone out there in S-Land familiar with these folks? :

http://www.frenchmanriver.com

They have a 34' Lobster Boat coming soon in S scale! (Walthers Item # 267-97)


John Degnan
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Seaboard Air Line 19000-19499 series, Class B-7
40' Single-Door, "Turtle-back" Box Car in S Scale AND HO Scale!!!
http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/SALRoundRoofBoxCarProject.htm


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43663 From: boblines51 Date: 3/8/2007
Subject: reverse loop switch
Someone on this list was looking for the wiring diagram to convert a
switch to a reverse loop switch.I found the my issue of the Collector
that told how to do this.If you want a copy of it let me know. Bob
Persing
Group: S-Trains Message: 43664 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 3/9/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer HO?
Be very Careful, I started collecting Gilbrert HO, and matching them
with their larger "S" . This leads to a second layout HO. next comes
Lionel HO, which I run on my HO layout, then collecting the larger Lionel
cars that match the HO cars, thankfully the 027 cars run on my prewar
Flyer layout.
I have met several others collecting Gilbert HO
Jerry HR77-11644
P.S.
I am thankful that Gilbert didn't produce "N" gauge.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43665 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 3/9/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel Erie Pacific
BTW, how does one know that there is 'a lot of inventory sitting around'?
Although they have been released, I have yet to see one in a LHS here in MI or
back east in PA. The Erie Pacific could use a set of matching heavyweights --
I elected for the C&A set which was perfect out of the box, is just
gorgeous, and runs beautifully.

Bob Bubeck



In a message dated 3/9/2007 8:16:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

The ERIE 4-6-2 PACIFIC STEAM LOCO (48052)released last year by Flyonel
is a TMCC equiped locomotive that seems to have a lot of inventory
sitting around.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43666 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 3/9/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer HO?
Here's one other thing to be happy about-that Coleman Flyer had dropped Wide (standard) gage by the time Gilbert bought the company. The year or so of Chicago product made in New Haven would've included The Giant Three Rail Track From Hell (there is a reason that Ives included mercuricrome in the sets)-J Marganski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43667 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 3/9/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer HO?
JERRY.... Glad to see another HO fan.... I know there are lots more.... I like your idea of matching the cars, etc..... But don't forget that most of us also collect Plasticville O - S buildings..... and they too come in HO !!!!!!! I am thinking of doing 2 small layouts...1 - S and 1 - HO with everything matching..... wouldn't that be great???? Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Dobbs
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:36 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Flyer HO?


Be very Careful, I started collecting Gilbrert HO, and matching them
with their larger "S" . This leads to a second layout HO. next comes
Lionel HO, which I run on my HO layout, then collecting the larger Lionel
cars that match the HO cars, thankfully the 027 cars run on my prewar
Flyer layout.
I have met several others collecting Gilbert HO
Jerry HR77-11644
P.S.
I am thankful that Gilbert didn't produce "N" gauge.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43668 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 3/9/2007
Subject: Re: MTH Smoke Units
Speaking of the MTH smoke unit..... how in the world does one get ones
hands on one? If that makes any sense. What are it's specs? I've
searched internet sources and the only thing that comes up is a TAS
smoke unit, and while it's impressive looking, I can't figure how one
would ever squeeze into a Gilber Hudson, base sizing is 1.5"w, 2.5"L,
and a little over an inch high.

Steve, what do you have up your sleeve on this idea?

phil

> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Lunde" <srmj@> wrote:
> >
> > I am planning on installing a MTH fan driven smoke unit in a AF
> Hudson
> > along with Tsunami sound for DCC. Does anybody have any experience
> > with these smoke units in general or DCC?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> > Steve Lunde
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43669 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 3/9/2007
Subject: Re: MTH Smoke Units
Holy Cow, I my glasses must have needed cleaning,,, I see the TAS unit
is 1" wide,,, now suddenly we have a different ball game!

phil

> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Lunde" <srmj@> wrote:
> >
> > I am planning on installing a MTH fan driven smoke unit in a AF
> Hudson
> > along with Tsunami sound for DCC. Does anybody have any experience
> > with these smoke units in general or DCC?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> > Steve Lunde
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43670 From: Robert Ahrens Date: 3/9/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer HO?
Couldn�t you get the same effect if you stand a little farther away from
your S Gilbert layout?

(humor me please, I couldn�t resist) Serious point though, you can get a
distant perspective

If you use HO scale buildings at the rear of your S layout.



BTW, did Gilbert produce HO for all the years they continued AF S?



_____

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of ROBERT ALLEN CONNER
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 12:57 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; Gerald Dobbs
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Flyer HO?



JERRY.... Glad to see another HO fan.... I know there are lots more.... I
like your idea of matching the cars, etc..... But don't forget that most of
us also collect Plasticville O - S buildings...-.. and they too come in HO
!!!!!!! I am thinking of doing 2 small layouts...1 - S and 1 - HO with
everything matching....-. wouldn't that be great???? Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Dobbs
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com"S-Trains@...
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:36 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Flyer HO?

Be very Careful, I started collecting Gilbrert HO, and matching them
with their larger "S" . This leads to a second layout HO. next comes
Lionel HO, which I run on my HO layout, then collecting the larger Lionel
cars that match the HO cars, thankfully the 027 cars run on my prewar
Flyer layout.
I have met several others collecting Gilbert HO
Jerry HR77-11644
P.S.
I am thankful that Gilbert didn't produce "N" gauge.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43671 From: Phil K Date: 3/9/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer HO?
For guys our age, they should include a free pair of reading glasses
so we can get the HO cars on the rails. ;-)

I guess I was born for S -- when our club (CASG) volunteered to help
with the Clark Dunham Christmas layout at Navy Pier a couple of
years, the gauges running were HO and O. They gave us a mini
flashlight to use when untangling derailments. To me, I couldn't see
the HO wheels and flanges well enough to fix them without a pair
of "cheaters". And lifting up the O boxcars made by MTH to re-rail
them, it felt like I was picking up a heavy shoebox....

I guess I now know why I don't have N or Z stuff. ;-)


Phil K

******************************************************************
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Ahrens" <rahrens54@...>
wrote:
>
> Couldn't you get the same effect if you stand a little farther away
from
> your S Gilbert layout?
>
> (humor me please, I couldn't resist) Serious point though, you can
get a
> distant perspective
>
> If you use HO scale buildings at the rear of your S layout.
>
>
>
> BTW, did Gilbert produce HO for all the years they continued AF S?
>
>
>
> _____
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43672 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 3/9/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer HO?
ROBERT.... actually Gilbert started "S" in 1946 and on..... I have several
1938 and 39 Gilbert HO sets in boxes..... So HO might have been around just
about as long..... As for Perspective, look at Barb's layout..... she has HO
on the high level pulled with the 0-6-0.... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Ahrens" <rahrens54@...>
To: "'ROBERT ALLEN CONNER'" <rcon7@...>;
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 3:09 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Flyer HO?


Couldn't you get the same effect if you stand a little farther away from
your S Gilbert layout?

(humor me please, I couldn't resist) Serious point though, you can get a
distant perspective

If you use HO scale buildings at the rear of your S layout.



BTW, did Gilbert produce HO for all the years they continued AF S?



_____

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of ROBERT ALLEN CONNER
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 12:57 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; Gerald Dobbs
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Flyer HO?



JERRY.... Glad to see another HO fan.... I know there are lots more.... I
like your idea of matching the cars, etc..... But don't forget that most of
us also collect Plasticville O - S buildings...-.. and they too come in HO
!!!!!!! I am thinking of doing 2 small layouts...1 - S and 1 - HO with
everything matching....-. wouldn't that be great???? Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Dobbs
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com"S-Trains@...
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:36 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Flyer HO?

Be very Careful, I started collecting Gilbrert HO, and matching them
with their larger "S" . This leads to a second layout HO. next comes
Lionel HO, which I run on my HO layout, then collecting the larger Lionel
cars that match the HO cars, thankfully the 027 cars run on my prewar
Flyer layout.
I have met several others collecting Gilbert HO
Jerry HR77-11644
P.S.
I am thankful that Gilbert didn't produce "N" gauge.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43673 From: Paul4Schil@aol.com Date: 3/9/2007
Subject: Rapido Car Lighting System
Below is a link to a new Rapido battery-powered passenger car lighting
system that's activated with a "wand" (magnetic throw switch). Apparently the
unit is mounted to the roof and is advertised as being for "HO and larger".

Anyone have any experience with it?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43674 From: gpmlg@aol.com Date: 3/10/2007
Subject: Repairing the New Northerns
Hi All,

New Northern # 809:

I see from other posts that Lionel is working on a fix for the squeak and
smoke production problem...I also have problems with it's performance.
I'm about to send it back...who can tell me what Lionel did with yours?

Thanks,
George
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43675 From: Tim Benner Date: 3/10/2007
Subject: 312 boiler front
I have a "new" 312 SIB. Now that it's running OK it is time to do
some fine tuning. This appears to be a 1948 model with no springs to
hold the boiler front in place. It just has a rivet on a tab on one
side. As it arrived a piece of electrical tape on the opposite side
provided enough friction to hold the front in place. Without the tape
(or something else) the boiler fron just falls out. The problem is
that the front likes to come loose about 1/16 or so when running.

Can someone share the secret to holding this type of boiler front in
tight?

Thanks!

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 43676 From: Phil K Date: 3/10/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer HO?
Bob, there are two ways to answer this. This puts us back in the
confusing arena of the terms "S Gauge" and "S Scale."

"Scale" in those days meant the size comparative to the
prototype. "Gauge" referred to the distance between rails.

I think it was in 1940 Gilbert started making trains in 3/16" scale (or
1:64), which is true "S Scale". I have several of those "Tru Model"
boxed sets. They ran on the old O gauge 3-rail track, like today's
Lionel. On the steam locomotives Gilbert used the same boiler molds as
those he produced after the war -- except for the preward editions he
used wider steam chests to accommodate the wider 3-rail O chassis.

They also were sold in 1941 and beyond until all that were manufactured
before the wartime restrictions on raw materials kicked in.

It was in 1946 when Gilbert resumed train production that those trains
using many of the same boilers started running on "S Gauge" rails (two
rails, about 7/8" apart.) They had a narrower (S gauge) chassis and
wheels and therefore a narrower steam chest.

Phil K

******************************************************************

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...>
wrote:
>
> ROBERT.... actually Gilbert started "S" in 1946 and on..... I have
several
> 1938 and 39 Gilbert HO sets in boxes..... So HO might have been
around just
> about as long..... As for Perspective, look at Barb's layout..... she
has HO
> on the high level pulled with the 0-6-0.... Bob
Group: S-Trains Message: 43677 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 3/10/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer HO?
Phil, and others,

ACG issued the first of the "3/16" on "O" trucks" sets in 1939, not 1940.
There were both freight and passenger versions using the Hudson and Northern
locos, both of which were spur-geared. All cars were die-cast (nine
varieties).

The 3/16" tinplate did not begin until 1940. More locos became available
then, too. Worm-drive also arrived, at first as an extra-cost option, also
in 1940. It was not until 1941 however, that ALL of the old clunky Chicago
Flyer locos were retired, and the line went 100% "scale". The tinplate
selection was widened to include the scarce 496/497 twelve-wheel Pullmans.

The war brought an end to train production of course. A VERY few of the old
items were available in VERY limited quantities in 1945/46, but nearly all
postwar production was two-rail "S". At least two freight cars made the
transition, if only for awhile - early 632s used the 508 mold, and the 716
was basically a re-trucked and rewired 474.

Then they went to plastic, and my interest died!

Dick Hosmer
Collector of ACG 3/16" on "O"
Group: S-Trains Message: 43678 From: Phil K Date: 3/10/2007
Subject: 3/16" scale
Dick --

Thanks for the info. I looked at the catalogs on Chuck Harrington's
website and it appears while the two locos you mention were offered in
1939, Gilbert's marketing department didn't begin to "sell" the idea of
3/16" scale until the 1940 catalog, if I interpret them correctly.

One thing's for sure... they don't make 'em like they usta!

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 43679 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 3/10/2007
Subject: Re: 312 boiler front
CArfully take a wire snipper and bend out the end away from the rivet. It will nice and snug Tom


-----Original Message-----
From: tim.benner@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:11 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] 312 boiler front


I have a "new" 312 SIB. Now that it's running OK it is time to do
some fine tuning. This appears to be a 1948 model with no springs to
hold the boiler front in place. It just has a rivet on a tab on one
side. As it arrived a piece of electrical tape on the opposite side
provided enough friction to hold the front in place. Without the tape
(or something else) the boiler fron just falls out. The problem is
that the front likes to come loose about 1/16 or so when running.

Can someone share the secret to holding this type of boiler front in
tight?

Thanks!

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43680 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 3/10/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer HO?
GEE Guys...... I didn't mean to open a can of worms again...... I was generalizing the comments..... Also don't forget the 717 and the log car came over I believe.... and the Virginian Hopper..... And don't forget AF made some flyer, and so did Tru Scale, Varney, Mantua, Etc and put Gilberts names and logos on the items...Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hosmer
To: Phil K ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Flyer HO?


Phil, and others,

ACG issued the first of the "3/16" on "O" trucks" sets in 1939, not 1940.
There were both freight and passenger versions using the Hudson and Northern
locos, both of which were spur-geared. All cars were die-cast (nine
varieties).

The 3/16" tinplate did not begin until 1940. More locos became available
then, too. Worm-drive also arrived, at first as an extra-cost option, also
in 1940. It was not until 1941 however, that ALL of the old clunky Chicago
Flyer locos were retired, and the line went 100% "scale". The tinplate
selection was widened to include the scarce 496/497 twelve-wheel Pullmans.

The war brought an end to train production of course. A VERY few of the old
items were available in VERY limited quantities in 1945/46, but nearly all
postwar production was two-rail "S". At least two freight cars made the
transition, if only for awhile - early 632s used the 508 mold, and the 716
was basically a re-trucked and rewired 474.

Then they went to plastic, and my interest died!

Dick Hosmer
Collector of ACG 3/16" on "O"




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43681 From: Phil K Date: 3/10/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer HO?
Bob, Bob, Bob ....

If stimulating interesting discussion from which we all can learn is
the same thing as "opening a can of worms" -- then thanks for using
your can opener!

These discussions are how we all learn neat-o stuff. Sometimes the
veteran Flyer nuts on board S-Trains forget that people (some
newbies) are joining this group -- and joining the hobby, for that
matter. This is one of the ways we all learn from each other.

Phil K

***************************************************************
', --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...>
wrote:
>
> GEE Guys...... I didn't mean to open a can of worms again...... I
was generalizing the comments..... Also don't forget the 717 and the
log car came over I believe.... and the Virginian Hopper..... And
don't forget AF made some flyer, and so did Tru Scale, Varney,
Mantua, Etc and put Gilberts names and logos on the items...Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Hosmer
> To: Phil K ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 5:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Flyer HO?
>
>
> Phil, and others,
>
> ACG issued the first of the "3/16" on "O" trucks" sets in 1939,
not 1940.
> There were both freight and passenger versions using the Hudson
and Northern
> locos, both of which were spur-geared. All cars were die-cast
(nine
> varieties).
>
> The 3/16" tinplate did not begin until 1940. More locos became
available
> then, too. Worm-drive also arrived, at first as an extra-cost
option, also
> in 1940. It was not until 1941 however, that ALL of the old
clunky Chicago
> Flyer locos were retired, and the line went 100% "scale". The
tinplate
> selection was widened to include the scarce 496/497 twelve-wheel
Pullmans.
>
> The war brought an end to train production of course. A VERY few
of the old
> items were available in VERY limited quantities in 1945/46, but
nearly all
> postwar production was two-rail "S". At least two freight cars
made the
> transition, if only for awhile - early 632s used the 508 mold,
and the 716
> was basically a re-trucked and rewired 474.
>
> Then they went to plastic, and my interest died!
>
> Dick Hosmer
> Collector of ACG 3/16" on "O"
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43682 From: frank emiro Date: 3/10/2007
Subject: Re: Repairing the New Northerns
I just got my two back yesterday and they are running great. One would not stay in neutral and just would start taking off forward. Both had poor smoke and squeals. The techs sent them back with new larger gaskets in smoke units. the one that took off in neural had a burnt out smoke unit. Both smoke good and the squeal goes away and is nothing like the squeal that they came with. I am very happy with the out come..

gpmlg@... wrote: Hi All,

New Northern # 809:

I see from other posts that Lionel is working on a fix for the squeak and
smoke production problem...I also have problems with it's performance.
I'm about to send it back...who can tell me what Lionel did with yours?

Thanks,
George
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43683 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 3/10/2007
Subject: link to this site
I want to send a link to this site and chat so a fellow I know can join.... what do I send him...... I FORGOT..... Bob

Moderator's note: Bob, try this:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/subs_invite
Group: S-Trains Message: 43684 From: Michael Lueck Date: 3/10/2007
Subject: Hello Again
Greetings S-Trains list,

I have just set my account to receive individual emails again.

I happened to get the following photo as a random pic. Does anyone know if it is a custom paint job, or just not a Gilbert Baldwin that comes standard in CPRail colors?

http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/papky/Bruce+Papky/CP+Baldwin+S-12.jpg.html

Another random photo that showed up...

http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/lnf/faces/jarcho_7.jpg.html

Sure do miss him. Maybe that is why I decided to start receiving emails again... did not get much time to know him, then he passed away. So, thinking I best be sociable... never know how many days any
of us have. ;-)

Little progress has been made on our "practice" layout, as I call it.

http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/pianoman/layout/8x8/

Anyway, I am back... wondering how many friends are still a member of S-Trains. If you do remember me, please do drop me a line.

Blessings,
Michael
Group: S-Trains Message: 43685 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 3/11/2007
Subject: Can of worms
Go back one step further in the past, Cleveland Model Supply started
producing 3/16 scale wood locomotives with electric motors . I believe
that this was the start of 3/16 scale mass production.

Also I believe that Gilbert started producing 3/16 in 1938. With the kits
to build locos and cars including a # 806 northern with the spur gear,
that is running on my layout.

Jerry HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 43686 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 3/11/2007
Subject: Movies with trains
Some time ago I seen on S-trains a list of movies with trains. Don't
recall this one on the list. " A Murder Of Crows " Cuba Gooding, Jr
Watched this movie last night which had a short scene of a large American
flyer layout with an orange stripe passenger train running.

Also in the movie "Bell Book And Candle" Jimmy Stewart - Kim Novac, a
scene of NYCity from a tall building I belive shows the Gilbert Hall of
Science.
This should be confirmed by some one who knows NYC.
Jerry HR 77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 43687 From: David Engle Date: 3/11/2007
Subject: Re: [S Scale Model Railroading] Re: History of "S"
Isn't Mr. Packard of Cleveland Models credited with setting the "S" for S scale as the letter most prominent in the description, and that was in 1937?

DJE


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43688 From: Rick Evans Date: 3/11/2007
Subject: Re: Movies with trains
**((Some time ago I seen on S-trains a list of movies with trains. Don't
recall this one on the list. " A Murder Of Crows " Cuba Gooding, Jr
Watched this movie last night which had a short scene of a large American
flyer layout with an orange stripe passenger train running.))**

Good movie. I don't remember the trains though.
Guess I'd better add this movie to my Netflix queue!!

Rick.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43689 From: Donald Thompson Date: 3/11/2007
Subject: Re: History of "S"
A nice histroy of "S". I beleive this is accroding to Craig O'Connell.
Don

Gerald Dobbs wrote:

> Go back one step further in the past, Cleveland Model Supply started
> producing 3/16 scale wood locomotives with electric motors . I believe
> that this was the start of 3/16 scale mass production.
>
> Also I believe that Gilbert started producing 3/16 in 1938. With the kits
> to build locos and cars including a # 806 northern with the spur gear,
> that is running on my layout.
>
> Jerry HR77-11644
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43690 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/11/2007
Subject: Re: [S Scale Model Railroading] Re: History of "S"
----- Original Message -----
From: David Engle
Isn't Mr. Packard of Cleveland Models credited with setting the "S" for S
scale as the letter most prominent in the description, and that was in 1937?
> > > > > >
NO,
Or if he is so credited, it's erroneous credit.
Tom Hawley
Group: S-Trains Message: 43691 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 3/11/2007
Subject: Re: Can of worms, A "History" of S
Gilbert DID start to manufacture "toy" trains in 1938, however, what they
produced were their brand new H O line and they also offered the remnants of the
"Chicago Flyer" line they got from Wm Coleman. 3/16th "O" production did
start before WWII, in 1940 I believe. The 3/16th allowed Gilbert to offer far
more detail than their larger rival in New Jersey. THAT held true all the
way thru the end of the "Golden Era" in 1967. Spur gear drive was the drive
of choice for the 1938 H O, worm gear started in 1939. One easy way to date
pre-war Gilbert/Flyer H O is the drive.
Gilbert American Flyer trains, 2 sets offered in 1945, were the remnants of
pre-war "O" production that had not disintegrated on the storage shelves
during WWII, unlike the "rivals" which was (anecdotally) sold all thru the war
from a store front in New York. More urban legends.

Jim Lyle
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43692 From: Gale Hall Date: 3/11/2007
Subject: History
Mr Packard was calling his CD for Cleveland design, after that I thought there was an attempt to call it H1 or half of 1 Gauge 1/32 and then the S's won out, in seven eights, one sixty fourth, and three sixteenths..

gale hall


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43693 From: kenwoodies1 Date: 3/11/2007
Subject: Re: Hello Again
Michael,The CP Rail is a factory painted American Models Baldwin S-12.
Jim Duncan
Group: S-Trains Message: 43694 From: Bruce Papky Date: 3/11/2007
Subject: AM's S-12 Baldwin Switcher
...On March 10, 2007, Michael Lueck pianoman@... wrote:
<<Greetings S-Trains list,

I have just set my account to receive individual emails again.

I happened to get the following photo as a random pic. Does anyone know if it is a custom paint job, or just not a Gilbert Baldwin that comes standard in CPRail colors?

http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/papky/Bruce+Papky/CP+Baldwin+S-12.jpg.html >>

_______________________________________________

Michael, and S Group,

The S-12 Baldwin Switcher you refer to was made by American Models. I purchased it last August at the NASG Convention while on the tour of AM's warehouse facility. A great engine!

Although most of my collection/layout is original Flyer, only a couple of Canadian roadnames rolling stock pieces were made by Gilbert. Thank goodness for S-Helper and American Models. If you haven't done so already, check out my layout photos in the Yahoo Groups S-Trains 'PHOTOS' section, and also in the S-Gallery friends' site:

http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/


Bruce Papky (Dundas, Ontario)



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43695 From: bandmancwc Date: 3/11/2007
Subject: A dumb question
Hi everyone,

I have an American Models 4-6-2 Pacific (hiRail) Everytime I pick it up
to place it on the track the wheel under the cab(is that the trailing
truck?) falls out. Is that supposed to happen? It is kind of a pain
to place the wheel back in then try and put it on the track. Thanks
for the help! Bill
Group: S-Trains Message: 43696 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/11/2007
Subject: Re: Movies with trains
Thanks for the tip, Rick. I put it in my Netflix queue, too. Being an owner of the Clipper set, I've got to see that movie!

Bob


Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote:
**((Some time ago I seen on S-trains a list of movies with trains. Don't
recall this one on the list. " A Murder Of Crows " Cuba Gooding, Jr
Watched this movie last night which had a short scene of a large American
flyer layout with an orange stripe passenger train running.))**

Good movie. I don't remember the trains though.
Guess I'd better add this movie to my Netflix queue!!

Rick.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43697 From: Donald Thompson Date: 3/11/2007
Subject: Re: History of "S"
http://www.trainweb.org/crocon/sinfo.htm

Donald Thompson wrote:

> A nice histroy of "S". I beleive this is accroding to Craig O'Connell.
> Don
>
> Gerald Dobbs wrote:
>
> > Go back one step further in the past, Cleveland Model Supply started
> > producing 3/16 scale wood locomotives with electric motors . I believe
> > that this was the start of 3/16 scale mass production.
> >
> > Also I believe that Gilbert started producing 3/16 in 1938. With the
> kits
> > to build locos and cars including a # 806 northern with the spur gear,
> > that is running on my layout.
> >
> > Jerry HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 43698 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 3/12/2007
Subject: Re: A dumb question
Bill,

Are you telling us the wheels and axle on the trailing truck fall
out? Or do you mean the trailing truck itself slides around? The
trailing truck on my AM Pacific has a lot of play in it, but the axle
and wheelset doesn't fall out.

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bandmancwc" <Bandmancwc@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I have an American Models 4-6-2 Pacific (hiRail) Everytime I pick it
up
> to place it on the track the wheel under the cab(is that the
trailing
> truck?) falls out. Is that supposed to happen? It is kind of a
pain
> to place the wheel back in then try and put it on the track. Thanks
> for the help! Bill
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43699 From: trainman634 Date: 3/12/2007
Subject: 900 Series Boxcars
Did any of the 900 series boxcars use the tab & screw sheet metal
frame?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43700 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 3/12/2007
Subject: Still For Trade: SHS Billboard Reefer
Hi All,

I have an extra SHS Showcase Lines 01512 MBIX Merchant's Biscuit
billboard reefer to trade. This car is sold out. I can email photos
of the car if anyone is interested. I would prefer to trade for any
other SHS billboard reefer that I don't currently have, but am open to
any trades. The car in new-in-box. If you are interested in making a
trade let me know what you have available. You can contact me at:

bull_gator_1@...

David Tyner: aka "BG1"
Group: S-Trains Message: 43701 From: cucountry1 Date: 3/12/2007
Subject: fraudulent ebay bidder decision
As a follow-up to my posting last week regarding an eBay bidder who
was posting chargebacks, PayPal has covered my sale, as well as the
sale of at least one other seller. For some reason I'd never cleaned
out my electronic mailbox and there was enough information stored
there to convince PayPal I'd done my part by the book. Where the
bidder stands with PayPal, I don't know, hopefully they prosecute him
hard. Figuring he'll eventually change from "Pactowing" to something
else, beware of his name ~ Doug Emch ~ if you see it in your
dealings . I know he's on my "watch list" !
As a point of interest, if you send something out via UPS, FedEx or
DHL and have lost the tracking number, you can go to the store from
where you sent your item, give them your name, the approximate date
sent and the address to where it was going, and they can pull your
file and the tracking number, and in my case the infromation was still
live on their computer some two months later.

Regard(S)
Tom
Group: S-Trains Message: 43702 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/12/2007
Subject: Re: Can of worms, A "History" of S
3/16 production began in 1939. The couplers are another way to distinguish '39 production from '40 and '41 production. In 1939, the underside of the coupler tip, where it "grabs" the pin of the next car, was straight-cut across its width. In 1940 the couplers were altered to the more common diagonal-cut, which was continued into the early S-production as well.
<<<3/16th "O" production did start before WWII, in 1940 I believe.>>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
www.sgaugetrains.com
Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST)
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43703 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 3/12/2007
Subject: Re: fraudulent ebay bidder decision
I BLOCKED HIM FROM BIDDING AND IT INDICATED THAT Pactowing WAS NO LONGER AN
EBAY MEMBER. Hopefully this will keep him out Tom
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43704 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 3/12/2007
Subject: Re: Can of worms, A "History" of S
As I keep saying the "history" of "s" gauge is a can of worms anyway
as it keeps stubbornly ignoring the not insignificant commercial toy
output from East Germany and lesser numbers from West Germany,
Czekoslovakia and France since WWII. There was some Japanese stuff
too. Alistair
---
Group: S-Trains Message: 43705 From: George Cohn Date: 3/12/2007
Subject: Re: fraudulent ebay bidder decision
And on a similar note, I returned the incorrect item to
"traditionalhobbies" with signature required and return receipt. He
signed for it but never returned my payment. It's been almost 90 days now.

At this point, I don't care. It was a $24 lesson and sometimes a good
education isn't cheap.

If all goes well, you may get what you bid on from him and it may be OK.

But if there is a problem, rest assured that it is *your* fault or you
didn't pay or you didn't follow his rules.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 43706 From: bkweidner Date: 3/12/2007
Subject: Model railroading with diabetes
There has been a lot of talk on the forums of how many of us have the
illness and special challeges we face in the hobby such as poor
eyesight,numbness in hands and feet and even the loss of limb(s). A
few of us on the MR forum have been asking the train manufactures to
make a diabetes awareness boxcar that can be run at train shows to help
educate the public about the illness which is a growing problem in the
general public.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43707 From: roy inman Date: 3/12/2007
Subject: Corgi trolleys
Hi all;

I am unknowledgeable about traction stuff, but just discovered that Corgi is
doing a limited production run of a Kansas City streetcar of the
1940's~-50's. It is 1/50th scale, which is close enough for me.

Here is my question: is there a way to install a motor so it can run on a
layout? I confess that I don't even know what gauge it is, if in fact it is
even close to a standard track size.

Can someone enlighten me?

Cheers :)

Roy Inman
Group: S-Trains Message: 43708 From: Mark Preman Date: 3/13/2007
Subject: Corgi Trolleys - PA Heritage Models
In answer to Roy's question and good info for all, the following link will provide powered Corgi trolleys for major cities with S gauge power trucks. Happy commuting!
http://www.paheritagemodels.net/


Mark B. Preman
AmericanFlyerTrains.com

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8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time
with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43709 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 3/13/2007
Subject: Re: Corgi trolleys
Hi Roy,
Pensylvania Heritage Models
produces the entire drive train.
http://www.paheritagemodels.net/

I have a Phila. PTC trolley
with their drive and it
runs great on my "S"
layout.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: roy inman
To: S-scale ; S-Trains
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:36 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Corgi trolleys


Hi all;

I am unknowledgeable about traction stuff, but just discovered that Corgi is
doing a limited production run of a Kansas City streetcar of the
1940's~-50's. It is 1/50th scale, which is close enough for me.

Here is my question: is there a way to install a motor so it can run on a
layout? I confess that I don't even know what gauge it is, if in fact it is
even close to a standard track size.

Can someone enlighten me?

Cheers :)

Roy Inman



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43710 From: trainman634 Date: 3/13/2007
Subject: Five Number Boxcars
Did all the five number boxcars American Flyer produced use the tab &
screw sheet metal frame?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43711 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 3/13/2007
Subject: SHS Billboard Reefer Trade Completed
Hi All,

I have successfully completed a trade for my extra SHS Showcase Lines
01512 MBIX Merchant's Biscuit billboard reefer.

David Tyner: aka "BG1"
Group: S-Trains Message: 43712 From: T Larson Date: 3/13/2007
Subject: trucks
My new Die-Cast Direct catalog says that YatMing will be introducing
several 1:64th scale pickups "this February"; Ford, Studebaker, GMC, Mack.

--
Ted Larson
Group: S-Trains Message: 43713 From: Scaler164@comcast.net Date: 3/13/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} trucks
Does it state the era of these new trucks?


John Degnan


-------------- Original message --------------
From: T Larson <mhrre@...>
My new Die-Cast Direct catalog says that YatMing will be introducing
several 1:64th scale pickups "this February"; Ford, Studebaker, GMC, Mack.

--
Ted Larson




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43714 From: kenwoodies1 Date: 3/13/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} trucks
Here is a link to the new Yat Ming pickup trucks. Jim Duncan

http://www.oktoys.com/productlist.asp?catid=20&subcatid=14
Group: S-Trains Message: 43715 From: N Becker Date: 3/13/2007
Subject: Corgi trolleys
Check PA Heritage site

http://www.paheritagemodels.net/

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43716 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 3/13/2007
Subject: 343 boiler casting
I have a 343 (or 342) die-cast boiler casting I'd like to trade. I'm not sure whether it is a 343 or 343 as the paint has been removed. There are no broken pieces. The cotter pins for the handrails are all present. The brass whistle and bell are present and tight. There is a slight flat spot on the top of the smoke box in front of the stack. There are NO handrails, smoke box front, or valve gear.

I want to make a streamlined boiler for my AF 4-8-4, so I need a die-cast Royal Blue boiler casting with a good front end (from the front of the firebox forward, approximately). I'd like the wire handrail version, that would save some grinding, but that is not critical.

Anyone have a junker Royal Blue you'd be willing to part with?

Keep in touch!

Don Munsey, Jr.
dmunseyjr@...
Sn42 and Hn42 river logging fan
Virginian Rwy fan
Bonsai grasshopper
Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43717 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/13/2007
Subject: What is a 21084, and a 287 Loco ?
I am very familiar with the #21085 and #283 locos. But I am unfamiliar with
locos #21084 and #287 which is see on eBay.

Can someone tell me how these two locos compare with a 21085 and 283 ? The
most important things I want to know are whether the locos have smoke and
choo-choo, what type of wiring connects the loco and the tender, and what type of
reverse unit they have.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

- Earl Henry, Nashville
Group: S-Trains Message: 43718 From: Phil K Date: 3/13/2007
Subject: Re: What is a 21084, and a 287 Loco ?
Earl –

The 283 vs. 287:

Both are Pacifics. Both have plastic boilers and tenders and knuckle
couplers. Both have four-position E-units in tender. Basically, the
287 was a cheaper version of the 283.

The 283 has PullMor wheels on the front and rear drivers; the 287
rear only. The 283 has smoke & choo-choo in the boiler; the 287 has
neither.

The 21084 vs. the 21085:

Both are Pacifics and have two main differences: the 21084 has a four-
position E-unit in the tender; the 21085 has a two-position reverse
unit on the motor. Plus, some of the later 21085s came with
Pikemaster couplers.

Hope this helps,

Phil K

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote:
>
> I am very familiar with the #21085 and #283 locos. But I am
unfamiliar with
> locos #21084 and #287 which is see on eBay.
>
> Can someone tell me how these two locos compare with a 21085 and
283 ? The
> most important things I want to know are whether the locos have
smoke and
> choo-choo, what type of wiring connects the loco and the tender,
and what type of
> reverse unit they have.
>
> Thanks for any help you can provide.
>
> - Earl Henry, Nashville
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43719 From: Phil K Date: 3/13/2007
Subject: Re: What is a 21084, and a 287 Loco ?
Whoops!

I guess I wasn't very clear in my writing my response to Earl's
question (senior moment), graciously pointed out to me by Steve
of SnS Trains:

The 283 can have the Pullmor on EITHER the front or back drivers, but
NOT on both on the same locomotive.

When I wrote the answer to Earl's question, I meant "the 283 can come
with PullMor on the front and back, but not both." I knew what I was
trying to say, but obviously it came out wrong. Sorry for any
confusion.

Thanks, Steve.



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote:
>
> Earl –
>
> The 283 vs. 287:
>
> Both are Pacifics. Both have plastic boilers and tenders and knuckle
> couplers. Both have four-position E-units in tender. Basically, the
> 287 was a cheaper version of the 283.
>
> The 283 has PullMor wheels on the front and rear drivers; the 287
> rear only. The 283 has smoke & choo-choo in the boiler; the 287 has
> neither.
>
> The 21084 vs. the 21085:
>
> Both are Pacifics and have two main differences: the 21084 has a
four-
> position E-unit in the tender; the 21085 has a two-position reverse
> unit on the motor. Plus, some of the later 21085s came with
> Pikemaster couplers.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Phil K
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@ wrote:
> >
> > I am very familiar with the #21085 and #283 locos. But I am
> unfamiliar with
> > locos #21084 and #287 which is see on eBay.
> >
> > Can someone tell me how these two locos compare with a 21085 and
> 283 ? The
> > most important things I want to know are whether the locos have
> smoke and
> > choo-choo, what type of wiring connects the loco and the tender,
> and what type of
> > reverse unit they have.
> >
> > Thanks for any help you can provide.
> >
> > - Earl Henry, Nashville
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43720 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 3/13/2007
Subject: Selling my Gilbert AF collection.
I have decided to sell down most of my personal Gilbert Flyer collection. I
am going to do it a few pieces at a time. I listed two pieces on the Available
S Gauge site today. If you are looking for any particular pieces feel free
to contact me with what you are looking for. I just might have one.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise
Group: S-Trains Message: 43721 From: Harold Geyer Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: truck change out
i would like to replace the trucks on my aluminum 660 series passanger
cars with american model trucks. does anyone have a recommendation as
to which series trucks i should use?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43722 From: David Dewey Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: Missing Chat & the group
Hi all,
We are getting ready to ride the Steamboat Delta Queen from NOLA to Memphis, so I'll miss chat the next two weeks. I have also been one of the ones who never got Yahoo to email me s-trains posts since the first. I now get them on a g-mail account, but I haven't learned how to use it YET! See you after the 26th.
Steamc

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43723 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: Re: What is a 21084, and a 287 Loco ?
I've been watching this discussion of the 283 vs. 287 because I've got both and always wondered what the differences were supposed to be. Mine appear to be identical. My 287 has both the choo-choo and smoke unit, as does the 283. Both engines have Pul-Mors on just the front wheels. I guess one or the other of the engines could have been re-numbered, but it doesn't appear so. Who knows what changes these old locos have gone through as they get passed qround from owner to owner?

The chart I use most often to look up loco specs can be found at:
http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/locospecs.html
That resource lists the 287 as NOT having the smoke and choo-choo, and having Pulmors on the rear, and then I look at the loco in my hands and it's just the opposite!!

Jim E.

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From: "Phil K" <waldootten@...>
Whoops!

I guess I wasn't very clear in my writing my response to Earl's
question (senior moment), graciously pointed out to me by Steve
of SnS Trains:

The 283 can have the Pullmor on EITHER the front or back drivers, but
NOT on both on the same locomotive.

When I wrote the answer to Earl's question, I meant "the 283 can come
with PullMor on the front and back, but not both." I knew what I was
trying to say, but obviously it came out wrong. Sorry for any
confusion.

Thanks, Steve.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote:
>
> Earl �
>
> The 283 vs. 287:
>
> Both are Pacifics. Both have plastic boilers and tenders and knuckle
> couplers. Both have four-position E-units in tender. Basically, the
> 287 was a cheaper version of the 283.
>
> The 283 has PullMor wheels on the front and rear drivers; the 287
> rear only. The 283 has smoke & choo-choo in the boiler; the 287 has
> neither.
>
> The 21084 vs. the 21085:
>
> Both are Pacifics and have two main differences: the 21084 has a
four-
> position E-unit in the tender; the 21085 has a two-position reverse
> unit on the motor. Plus, some of the later 21085s came with
> Pikemaster couplers.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Phil K
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@ wrote:
> >
> > I am very familiar with the #21085 and #283 locos. But I am
> unfamiliar with
> > locos #21084 and #287 which is see on eBay.
> >
> > Can someone tell me how these two locos compare with a 21085 and
> 283 ? The
> > most important things I want to know are whether the locos have
> smoke and
> > choo-choo, what type of wiring connects the loco and the tender,
> and what type of
> > reverse unit they have.
> >
> > Thanks for any help you can provide.
> >
> > - Earl Henry, Nashville
> >
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43724 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: Cleveland Models
Isn't Mr. Packard of Cleveland Models credited with setting the "S" for S
scale as the letter most prominent in the description, and that was in
1937?


Packerd started Cleveland Models in 1919, making airplane kits. At which
time he went into 1/16 scale trains is questionable. I do have a set of
plans for a U.P. Streamlined train, copyrighted 1934. Cleveland
Modelmaking News & Practical Hobbies Vol. 2 No.7 supplementary Plate 28.

I also have more information on Mr. Packerd in my files I will forward
when I find it.


Also I believe that Gilbert started producing 3/16 in 1938. With the kits
to build locos and cars including a # 806 northern with the spur gear,
that is running on my layout. Someone on the list confirmed that the
spur gear on my #806 motor was 1938, the worm drive started in 1939.
My 1939 Catalog lists the northern as #534, I have never seen a 1938
catalog,
I conclude that my#806 is 1938. Can anyone verify with a 1938 catalog???


Jerry HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 43725 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: Re: Cleveland Models
You might find this
website of catalogs interesting:
http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/Gilbert%20Catalogs.htm

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Dobbs
To: RIRocket@... ; t.hawley@... ; WJJIM@...
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 5:33 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Cleveland Models



Isn't Mr. Packard of Cleveland Models credited with setting the "S" for S
scale as the letter most prominent in the description, and that was in
1937?


Packerd started Cleveland Models in 1919, making airplane kits. At which
time he went into 1/16 scale trains is questionable. I do have a set of
plans for a U.P. Streamlined train, copyrighted 1934. Cleveland
Modelmaking News & Practical Hobbies Vol. 2 No.7 supplementary Plate 28.

I also have more information on Mr. Packerd in my files I will forward
when I find it.


Also I believe that Gilbert started producing 3/16 in 1938. With the kits
to build locos and cars including a # 806 northern with the spur gear,
that is running on my layout. Someone on the list confirmed that the
spur gear on my #806 motor was 1938, the worm drive started in 1939.
My 1939 Catalog lists the northern as #534, I have never seen a 1938
catalog,
I conclude that my#806 is 1938. Can anyone verify with a 1938 catalog???

Jerry HR77-11644




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43726 From: Art Kimmel Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: Driver Whitewalls!
Has anyone figured a way to paint or apply whitewalls to the drivers on
the new AF Northerns? Or AM Northerns?

Art
Group: S-Trains Message: 43727 From: Art Kimmel Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: New Pictures up
I just put a few pictures up in the Photos area.....

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/60ab
Group: S-Trains Message: 43728 From: bw_hansen Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: Arch Bar trucks
I am looking for 4 sets of the old Ace Arch Bar trucks. If you have
some available please reply with cost including shipping. Thank"S"

Bruce
Group: S-Trains Message: 43729 From: Jerry Poniatowski Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: Re: truck change out
Hi Harold,

I have not done this change out, but if I were to do it, I would use
the AM Budd trucks. Since the Flyer cars are based on the Budd
prototype, using them is a given! However, they run about $25 a pair.
And the actual change out won't be easy. If it were up to me, I
would leave the 600 series cars like they are and consider doing the
change out on the 900 series cars since they have more detail. Just
my opinion. Sounds like a cool project though! Keep us informed on
what you decide. By the way, I have added the AM diaphrams to some
Flyer cars of mine, and the results are well worth it!

Jerry Poniatowski
Wayne, MI


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Harold Geyer" <geyers1@...> wrote:
>
> i would like to replace the trucks on my aluminum 660 series passanger
> cars with american model trucks. does anyone have a recommendation as
> to which series trucks i should use?
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43730 From: Phil K Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: Re: New Pictures up
Art --

Great photos!

You need to have Paul Yorke set you up with an album on his S Friends
website.

Phil K

********************************************************************

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Art Kimmel" <sgauger@...> wrote:
>
> I just put a few pictures up in the Photos area.....
>
> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/60ab
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43731 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: Re: Cleveland Models
Thanks I will give it a try.
Jerry

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:51:04 -0400 "Glenn Ritter"
<gartrain404@...> writes:
You might find this
website of catalogs interesting:
http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/Gilbert%20Catalogs.htm

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Dobbs
To: RIRocket@... ; t.hawley@... ; WJJIM@...
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 5:33 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Cleveland Models



Isn't Mr. Packard of Cleveland Models credited with setting the "S" for S
scale as the letter most prominent in the description, and that was in
1937?


Packerd started Cleveland Models in 1919, making airplane kits. At which
time he went into 1/16 scale trains is questionable. I do have a set of
plans for a U.P. Streamlined train, copyrighted 1934. Cleveland
Modelmaking News & Practical Hobbies Vol. 2 No.7 supplementary Plate 28.

I also have more information on Mr. Packerd in my files I will forward
when I find it.


Also I believe that Gilbert started producing 3/16 in 1938. With the kits
to build locos and cars including a # 806 northern with the spur gear,
that is running on my layout. Someone on the list confirmed that the
spur gear on my #806 motor was 1938, the worm drive started in 1939.
My 1939 Catalog lists the northern as #534, I have never seen a 1938
catalog,
I conclude that my#806 is 1938. Can anyone verify with a 1938 catalog???

Jerry HR77-11644



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43732 From: ljack70117@adelphia.net Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: Re: truck change out
Why not ask dphobby shop about their 41NDO truck They were used under
the Budd cars. There is no such thing as a BUDD truck. They used
truck from Truck manufactures
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left




On Mar 14, 2007, at 5:47 PM, Jerry Poniatowski wrote:

> Hi Harold,
>
> I have not done this change out, but if I were to do it, I would use
> the AM Budd trucks. Since the Flyer cars are based on the Budd
> prototype, using them is a given! However, they run about $25 a pair.
> And the actual change out won't be easy. If it were up to me, I
> would leave the 600 series cars like they are and consider doing the
> change out on the 900 series cars since they have more detail. Just
> my opinion. Sounds like a cool project though! Keep us informed on
> what you decide. By the way, I have added the AM diaphrams to some
> Flyer cars of mine, and the results are well worth it!
>
> Jerry Poniatowski
> Wayne, MI
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Harold Geyer" <geyers1@...> wrote:
>>
>> i would like to replace the trucks on my aluminum 660 series
>> passanger
>> cars with american model trucks. does anyone have a recommendation as
>> to which series trucks i should use?
>>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43733 From: Alan Evans Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: Spring S Spree Approaching!!
List;



The Central Ohio S Gaugers host the Spring S Spree March 30 and
31 in Hilliard Ohio featuring:



NINE different S layouts to view : modular, Flyer, miniature.
Learn some new ideas for YOUR LAYOUT!



8500 SQ, FT, Dealer, Trading Room



2700 sq ft /clinic and hospitality (free snacks!) room



Colorful Timken tank car - matches the Spree 2001 yellow and
white boxcar





Latest information on cosg.org





See you there!



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43734 From: John Degnan Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: AM/NASG Heavyweights FOR SALE
I have THREE AM/NASG 80 Foot 10-1 NYC Sleeper cars... and TWO of them are offifially up for sale. These are both GREY and I believe both cars have both the scale, code 110 wheels as well as the pizza cutter wheels (I know at least one of them has both wheel sets). I may also be able to provide their decals with them (if I can find them).

I'm asking only $50.00 EACH for these two... but, if someone wants to offer an additional $60 for the third car, I'll let it go as well. Add $8.00 for shipping for one car or $9.00 for two or three cars.

First come, first serve. Contact me at : Scaler164@...

Thanks.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...
Seaboard Air Line 19000-19499 series, Class B-7
40' Single-Door, "Turtle-back" Box Car in S Scale AND HO Scale!!!
http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/SALRoundRoofBoxCarProject.htm


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43735 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 3/14/2007
Subject: The Worlds Greatest Hobby on tour
For anyone in Texas, this weekend will be one of the best train
shows. I live in Fort Worth and I plan on being there both days. I
hope there will be at least 2 "s" layouts there. We don't have that
much reprsented down here. No local hobby shops like to stock
anything.One in Dallas does have a lot of FlyOnel, but that is the
closest that stocks anything. I have relyed on the internet to get the
stuff that I have. Mostly American Models Rolling stck and engines,and
S- Helper track. I wish we had more big shows down here, only 3 during
the whole year. thanks for keeping s gauge alive and maybe it will
pick up down here. Alan d Lambert
Group: S-Trains Message: 43736 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 3/15/2007
Subject: The Worlds Greatest Hobby on tour
I guess I got in a hurry, but this show will be downtown at the Fort
Worth convention center. Sorry for the confusion
Group: S-Trains Message: 43737 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/15/2007
Subject: Re: SMOKE FLUID BLANTANT AD!!!!!!!
I'm still selling 2 4oz bottles of my Smoke Fluid for $22 shipped with one
dropper. Shipping has gone up. Mike
Mike Strickland
211 Summit Ave
Medford, Ore 97501 Personal check, Paypal OK
Group: S-Trains Message: 43738 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 3/15/2007
Subject: OLD GAS STATIONS
Great memories! Some of these are made by
Pine Canyon models. Some could be scratch built.
You may be in some of these pictures. I hope
you can open them. Be sure to keep scrolling
down, as there are pictures of the globes,
and the pumps. Also scroll down thru
all the comments.
http://groups.msn.com/harleytechtalk/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=1068974&LastModified=467561031603824830

Glenn









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Group: S-Trains Message: 43740 From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build Date: 3/15/2007
Subject: Coincidence?
I find it somewhat coincidental that the global celebration of S Day falls exactly between the Ides of March and St. Patrick's Day. Hummmm...togas and beer?
Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43741 From: John Degnan Date: 3/15/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} OLD GAS STATIONS
Neat! The 14th one down reminds me of a railroad depot.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...


----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Ritter
To: A/S-SCALE ; A/S-TRAINS
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 2:55 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} OLD GAS STATIONS



Great memories! Some of these are made by
Pine Canyon models. Some could be scratch built.
You may be in some of these pictures. I hope
you can open them. Be sure to keep scrolling
down, as there are pictures of the globes,
and the pumps. Also scroll down thru
all the comments.
http://groups.msn.com/harleytechtalk/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=1068974&LastModified=467561031603824830

Glenn
.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43742 From: John Degnan Date: 3/15/2007
Subject: Re: AM/NASG Heavyweights FOR SALE
Concerning my FOR SALE Post (quoted (and spell-corrected) below)...

TWO of these cars have been SOLD.

The third will remain for sale, but at the cost of $60, since I can either live with it or without it. Shipping for the one remaining car will now be $7.00 instead of $8.00.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...


----- Original Message -----
From: John Degnan
To: POST : (S) S-Trains Group ; POST : (S) S Scale Prototype Modeler Group ; POST : (S) S Scale Model Railroading Group ; POST : (S) S Scale Group ; POST : (S) Available S Gauge Group
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:45 PM
Subject: AM/NASG Heavyweights FOR SALE


I have THREE AM/NASG 80 Foot 10-1 NYC Sleeper cars... and TWO of them are officially up for sale. These are both GREY and I believe both cars have both the scale, code 110 wheels as well as the pizza cutter wheels (I know at least one of them has both wheel sets). I may also be able to provide their decals with them (if I can find them).

I'm asking only $50.00 EACH for these two... but, if someone wants to offer an additional $60 for the third car, I'll let it go as well. Add $8.00 for shipping for one car or $9.00 for two or three cars.

First come, first serve. Contact me at : Scaler164@...

Thanks.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43743 From: Robert Boring Date: 3/15/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Coincidence?
How could you go wrong??????

Bob Boring
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Builders
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 4:03 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Coincidence?


I find it somewhat coincidental that the global celebration of S Day falls exactly between the Ides of March and St. Patrick's Day. Hummmm...togas and beer?
Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43744 From: Robert Graves Date: 3/16/2007
Subject: Re: fraudulent ebay bidder decision
Go back and block him again. It told me that at first, but I searched for him, found him, and then it let me block him.

Bob

tomminil@... wrote:
I BLOCKED HIM FROM BIDDING AND IT INDICATED THAT Pactowing WAS NO LONGER AN
EBAY MEMBER. Hopefully this will keep him out Tom


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43745 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/16/2007
Subject: Re: SMOKE FLUID BLANTANT AD!!!!!!!
I want to commend Mike on his smoke fluid. Have been using it for a couple
of years now. Especially good for new Lionel, SHS & AM engines.

Harwood


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43746 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 3/16/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Coincidence?
And all part of March Madness

Robert Boring <borore@...> wrote: How could you go wrong??????

Bob Boring
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Builders
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 4:03 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Coincidence?

I find it somewhat coincidental that the global celebration of S Day falls exactly between the Ides of March and St. Patrick's Day. Hummmm...togas and beer?
Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43747 From: T Larson Date: 3/16/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} trucks
It is mystifying and discouraging that so many manufacturers take such
wide liberty with "1:64th" scale. Thanks for the report. These pickups
should be 6 feet wide. Use of the very atypical white wall tires and
full size wheel covers were also done on many auto models that typically
would have had black walls and small wheel covers. Nothing but top of
the line for S scale, eh?

Ted Larson

Larry Langford wrote:
> I received four of these trucks by mail from Die-cast Direct, today. They
> appear slightly small - 16 feet long by 5.5 feet wide at bumper (tires 2
> feet). They are good looking, however, with wood grain bed deck and sharp
> details. Minor complaint is that they all have white sidewalls and chrome,
> full size hubcaps. I remember my grandfather's 48 Ford had black tires and
> only a small dome cap that covered the nut area of the wheel - and it was
> some metal not chromed.
>
> I also found, at Walmart, a series from Jada Toys in 1:64. They are larger
> than the YatMing models. The 1956 Ford F-100 measures 17 feet long and 6.75
> feet wide at the bumper (tires 3 feet). The paint on these models is heavily
> weathered and a For Sale sign is stuck on the windshield. I also got a 62
> Volkswagen bus and a 57 Chevy Suburban. These sure would look good in
> foreground for perspective.
>
> L
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43748 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/16/2007
Subject: 3/16 Day
Again, most have forgotten that today is 3/16 Day in the world of S gauge.

Let the after holiday S sales begin tomorrow.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43749 From: Jeff Silvera Date: 3/16/2007
Subject: 3/16 day
Hope everyone had a Happy 3/16 Day! Sure Love those S Gauge
Train's!!!!!!!!!!!

Jeff S......
Group: S-Trains Message: 43750 From: Robert Boring Date: 3/16/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} trucks
Hi Ted,

I just got 9 of the pickups from Di-cast Direct and while they may be a little off and have white walls I think they will fit in nicely. If anything I would rather have them just a little small than too big. At least they don't have the low-rider look with a ridicules flame job. And from three feet away only you and I will ever know the difference and I'll never tell. <G>

Bob Boring
----- Original Message -----
From: T Larson
To: Larry Langford
Cc: 'S Scale' ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} trucks


It is mystifying and discouraging that so many manufacturers take such
wide liberty with "1:64th" scale. Thanks for the report. These pickups
should be 6 feet wide. Use of the very atypical white wall tires and
full size wheel covers were also done on many auto models that typically
would have had black walls and small wheel covers. Nothing but top of
the line for S scale, eh?

Ted Larson

Larry Langford wrote:
> I received four of these trucks by mail from Die-cast Direct, today. They
> appear slightly small - 16 feet long by 5.5 feet wide at bumper (tires 2
> feet). They are good looking, however, with wood grain bed deck and sharp
> details. Minor complaint is that they all have white sidewalls and chrome,
> full size hubcaps. I remember my grandfather's 48 Ford had black tires and
> only a small dome cap that covered the nut area of the wheel - and it was
> some metal not chromed.
>
> I also found, at Walmart, a series from Jada Toys in 1:64. They are larger
> than the YatMing models. The 1956 Ford F-100 measures 17 feet long and 6.75
> feet wide at the bumper (tires 3 feet). The paint on these models is heavily
> weathered and a For Sale sign is stuck on the windshield. I also got a 62
> Volkswagen bus and a 57 Chevy Suburban. These sure would look good in
> foreground for perspective.
>
> L
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43751 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 3/17/2007
Subject: Re: Spring S Spree Approaching!! - I am skipping York, and going t
Yes, I am attending the S Spree this spring in place of going to York!

The high price of attending York, along with selling prices at York
that for the most part greatly exceed prices on eBay, have worn me
down. By the way, eBay even though there are some problems, still has
some real bargains. IMHO

Any other S List members going to S Spree 2007?

Chuck
http://www.myflyertrains.org
A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online!


On Mar 14, 2007, at 9:08 PM, Alan Evans wrote:
>
> List;
>
> The Central Ohio S Gaugers host the Spring S Spree March 30 and
> 31 in Hilliard Ohio featuring:
>
> NINE different S layouts to view : modular, Flyer, miniature.
> Learn some new ideas for YOUR LAYOUT!
>
> 8500 SQ, FT, Dealer, Trading Room
>
> 2700 sq ft /clinic and hospitality (free snacks!) room
>
> Colorful Timken tank car - matches the Spree 2001 yellow and
> white boxcar
>
> Latest information on cosg.org
>
> See you there!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43752 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/17/2007
Subject: . . . . I am skipping York, and going to my first S Spree!
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Harrington
. . . . . . . . Any other S List members going to S Spree 2007?. . . . . .
> > > > > >
--------Response-----------
Yes, and I will be selling stuff -- new stuff from AM, SHS, DPH, BTS, &c.
Tom Hawley
Michigan Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 43753 From: Tim Benner Date: 3/17/2007
Subject: More smoke in reverse syndrome
Hello group,

I've been working on a 312 for a couple of weeks now. At first it
only went in reverse. Cleaning the reverse unit fixed that. One of
the fingers was weak but could be bent enough to make contact. Then
it had faster in reverse syndrome. Resurfacing the commutator fixed
that. After installing new brushes and springs it ran slower in
both directions. (Maybe more brush pressure from the new springs?)
Now it is back up to about the same speed as the other engines.
While it was apart to turn the commutator I re-wicked the smoke unit
and it makes a lot more smoke.

Here's the puzzle. When it is cold (like after sitting overnight)
it smokes great in both directions. But after it's been running 5-
10 minutes the smoke diminishes in forward but not in reverse.
Could it be that weak reverse unit finger? (it's the bottom center
one)

Thanks in advance and Happy St. Patrick's Day!

Tim Benner
Dayton Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 43754 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 3/18/2007
Subject: S Spree...I'll be there too!
I'll be there with another S layout. It's a bit bigger than last
year's at 44x72" but it allows me to run bigger locos and cars. Just
look for the fat guy with the beard!
Oops, that doesn't narrow it down enough? I'll be wearing a name
tag! If I'm not at the layout at the moment, Mrs Stumpy will be
there, her real name is Cindy. Stop by and say hello.
See ya' in a couple weeks!
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43755 From: Chris Date: 3/18/2007
Subject: 3/16/64
Hi Everyone:

I forgot to wish everybody a Happy St. Gilbert's day, March 16th. This
happy tradition began 43 years ago at the tail end of regular Flyer
production and is commemorated in small silent parades down scale Main
Streets across America and throughout the world. So, fly your S flag
and be proud, and don't drink too much scotch! There ought to be sales
on e-Bay, dontcha think?

Chris Zizzo



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43756 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 3/18/2007
Subject: Worlds Greatest Hobby on Tour
Hey everyone,

Just got home from day 1 of the show in Downtown Fort Worth, Texas.
As advertised there were many of the major manufactures were there,
but for down here the "s" gauge had its usual down size. 1 local club
Lone Star flyer had their club layout up and running. They are a high
rail club that runs mostly vintage A.C. gilbert with some of the new
stuff. American Models was represented and showcase lines had a small
amount from 1 vender, but nobody had any of their track on hand.
Bummer that was what I was looking for. No locomotives from S-Helper
either, that really hurts. Now back to the internet to order what I
need???
Group: S-Trains Message: 43757 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 3/18/2007
Subject: Re: Worlds Greatest Hobby on Tour
Good Day,

Sorry you were disappointed by the "dearth" of SHS track at WGH.
S-Helper's track order SHOULD have arrived last August, it is now expected in April.


I am an SHS dealer, I have several remote left hand switches, very little
track, a few accesory tracks, switch controllers, bumpers and a few
uncouplers left in current stock. IF I can help send me a wish list, can confirm
Tuesday what I have in the shop.

Jim Lyle



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43758 From: Bob Morrison Date: 3/18/2007
Subject: Re: Spring S Spree Approaching!! - I am skipping York, and going to
Chuck,
While I have never been to York, mostly due to travel time and expense ( I doubt my credit card could handle what my eyes would want! ) I can say the S Sprees I have attended I have always been great fun! This years trip to Columbus will be my third Spree and my second one that will be hosted by the COSG gang and I expect to have another great time. BTW I will be doing a clinic on Friday at 3 on rock casting and painting ( Shameless Plug) and maybe if you time you and everyone else reading this, can stop in! In case you are wondering I'll be working with High Rail, Flyer, Scale and Narrow Gauge Rocks! :-)

Bob Morrison
Columbus, IN "That's other Columbus!"


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43759 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 3/18/2007
Subject: Re: More smoke in reverse syndrome
Hi Tim
Some interesting questions with your 312!
I can't see any coorelation between the reverse finger contact and smoke output. It would seem logical that the greater smoke output after sitting awhile would simply be the result of the wick having time to transport more oil up to the heating filament. After running for the five minutes or so, you've used up some of the oil that's moved up there. I would doubt that wicking action can transport an amount of oil equal to (or greater than) the amount of oil vaporized by the heating filament. I know my steamers' smoke output diminishes if I run them for several laps, compared to about 30 seconds into the run.
Are you certain there is more smoke output in reverse? If you think about it, the smoke piston is moving the same in forward and reverse, and the voltage to the heating filament should be the same if your transformer speed is the same. Have you run it in reverse for five minutes or so to see if it diminishes as it does in forward?
Good Luck!
Jim E.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43760 From: George Cohn Date: 3/18/2007
Subject: Re: Worlds Greatest Hobby on Tour
Alan D. Lambert wrote:
>
>
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> Just got home from day 1 of the show in Downtown Fort Worth, Texas.
> As advertised there were many of the major manufactures were there,
> but for down here the "s" gauge had its usual down size. 1 local club
> Lone Star flyer had their club layout up and running. They are a high
> rail club that runs mostly vintage A.C. gilbert with some of the new
> stuff.

Several months ago, the local train club had their annual open house
where the public was invited to view their toy train museum and
operating layouts.

My wife wanted to go so we did. While there was some fascinating stuff,
the one lone S gauge layout was pitiful. Some American Models stuff
mixed with a few vintage Flyer accessories.

While there, I picked up a brochure soliciting members to join the club.

I e-mailed the chairman and mentioned that I was a Flyer Fan and would
love to pay the $60 annual dues if I could be allowed to improve their
Flyer/S Gauge layout. Imagine my surprise when he indicated they would
be happy to take my money but no member could specialize in one scale or
marque!

Needless to say, I passed on their kind offer. I can spend my $60
improving my own projects....

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 43761 From: Donald Thompson Date: 3/18/2007
Subject: Re: Worlds Greatest Hobby on Tour
Dear Jim,
To be fair to our builder, we did not order more of the missing
track until August. Once K-Line went under we had a run on track . In
mid summer we could see we were running low on much of our inventory so
we placed a purchase order for more track in August. . We ran out of
all straight track in November. Usually, track takes 6 months once
ordered, but with Chinese New Year coming as late as it did, it effected
our production date. They told us earlier this month that all of our
track would be completed this month.
Best regards,
don

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43762 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 3/18/2007
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] How to Box a Merchandiser
If anyone on this group could help Paul with his question on this set, please email him.

Thanks,

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Wassermann
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 5:11 PM
Subject: [toytrains] How to Box a Merchandiser


I have a like new completely boxed American Flyer Merchandiser set
20540 (S Gauge). For the life of me, I can't figure out a way to get
everything in the box, including the transformer. Everything minus the
transformer looks to leave about an inch of space at the top level,
perhaps 150 cubic inces, I would guess I need about 125 cubic inches of
space. Do any of you have this complete set, with transformer, boxed,
so you could send me a picture or two of the arrangement used to get
everything in?

Paul Wassermann
TCA 73-5169





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43763 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 3/18/2007
Subject: Re: More smoke in reverse syndrome
Interesting but did you ever have an engine run faster in reverse than forward? I have. I have the worm pushes the armature closer to the brushes. Tom


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From: jimensign50@...
To: tim.benner@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] More smoke in reverse syndrome


Hi Tim
Some interesting questions with your 312!
I can't see any coorelation between the reverse finger contact and smoke output. It would seem logical that the greater smoke output after sitting awhile would simply be the result of the wick having time to transport more oil up to the heating filament. After running for the five minutes or so, you've used up some of the oil that's moved up there. I would doubt that wicking action can transport an amount of oil equal to (or greater than) the amount of oil vaporized by the heating filament. I know my steamers' smoke output diminishes if I run them for several laps, compared to about 30 seconds into the run.
Are you certain there is more smoke output in reverse? If you think about it, the smoke piston is moving the same in forward and reverse, and the voltage to the heating filament should be the same if your transformer speed is the same. Have you run it in reverse for five minutes or so to see if it diminishes as it does in forward?
Good Luck!
Jim E.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43764 From: Rick Evans Date: 3/18/2007
Subject: an eBay funny
"This is an American Flyer, S scale, Post Breakfast Cereals 24058 Box Car. The steering wheel on the end is missing"

The steering wheel is missing? Hokey smokes! How can it turn?

Guess they meant the brake wheel. ;^)

Rick.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43765 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 3/19/2007
Subject: Re: More smoke in reverse syndrome
Yes, I've had the "faster in reverse" syndrome. (Among other syndromes, according to the missus!) You can usually help this by adding (or removing) spacers (thrust washers) so that the center of the armature lines up more in the center of the field. I believe I've read that there should be at least one thrust washer on the front of the armature shaft, and whatever number on the back that gives just enough room for easy turning but not any "slap". If you have a big gap between the back of the armature and the bushing in the brush holder, you may even hear that "slap". Parts houses sell various thicknesses of washers so you can try different combinations to got the right clearance. I wish I knew of a better rule of thrumb than lining up the center of the armature, but in reality I've found I just had to try differnt combinations evenif it means tearing it back down each time.
I don't know where you get your parts, But I order quite a few from Doug Peck at Portlines Hobbys. I know he has three different thicknesses of thrust washers on his site:
www.portlines.com
Look under "Washers" . They are inexpensive and he's good to work with.
Jim E.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43766 From: Marty.Thorin Date: 3/19/2007
Subject: Re: an eBay funny
Dear Rick:
At the Connecticut Valley Railroad Museum we were regularly
asked if the break wheels were steering wheels. We took it as an
opportunity to educate the public. We also fielded questions about the
missing middle rail. (No joke! The public truly doesn't know.)

I love it. Missing a steering wheel. You made me smile. I think Doug
Peck can sell you one -- or hundreds. :^)
Thorin
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7. an eBay funny
Posted by: "Rick Evans" bassflyer@... bassflyer
Date: Sun Mar 18, 2007 11:26 pm ((PDT))

"This is an American Flyer, S scale, Post Breakfast Cereals 24058 Box
Car. The steering wheel on the end is missing"

The steering wheel is missing? Hokey smokes! How can it turn?

Guess they meant the brake wheel. ;^)

Rick.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43767 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 3/19/2007
Subject: Re: reverse syndrome
This really happened: I have a 21130 that was faster in reverse than forward-and it ran so hot I feared the solder,d melt. Changed that awful e-unit to the aftermarket one that Doug sells. Never ran it until Christmas-wanted to get a good idea of what was wrong with it before sending to Bob Hannon. Surprise! It runs like Jack the Bear-only now the e-unit heats up! I'll live with this for now-or until-john Marganski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43768 From: Tom Hawley Date: 3/19/2007
Subject: Wheels
----- Original Message -----
From: Marty.Thorin
. . . . we were regularly asked if the break wheels were steering wheels. .
. . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > > >
And having explained that they are "break wheels," did you then have to
explain what gets broken?
tom Hawley
Group: S-Trains Message: 43769 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 3/19/2007
Subject: values
group, i have volunteered to dispose of an af collection for the widow
of a friend in our local club. (what was i thinking????) anyway, i
would greatly appreciate any guidance on how to value the stuff, do
most folks use the greenburg guide and should i ask for some percent of
that? or some percent of mark preman's list? or some guide i dont know?
and what is a fair percentage anyway? thanks in advance for any advice,
dale reynolds pendleton sc
Group: S-Trains Message: 43770 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/19/2007
Subject: Re: Wheels
No Tom,
But they wondered if they got one every 4 hrs....Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 43771 From: Gale Hall Date: 3/19/2007
Subject: eBay funnies
Good one Rick...ya just gotta love some of those...like the guy that had 17 pcs of right hand curved and 15 pieces of left hand curved AF track or the one that was selling the Santa Fe ABA set, two engines and the car the crew lived in.

gale hall


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43772 From: lvtrainmeet Date: 3/19/2007
Subject: Sell your extra train items
The Great Lehigh Valley Train Meet will be accepting Toy Train and
related items for there upcoming Train meet on April 15th 2007.
If you have some items that you been looking to sell . You can place
them on our consignment table . There is no cost to you You name the
price if your item does not sell you owe nothing .We only collect a 5%
fee if your item sells and that will be added to the price of your
item.You set the price .We will assit you if you are not sure.For more
info visit www.lehighvalleytrainmeet.com for show info or call 610-440-
0487 if you have an item or items to sell.Bring 1 item or 100 its up
to you. We are also looking to by collections if you want cash
imediatly
Group: S-Trains Message: 43773 From: bphent Date: 3/20/2007
Subject: I'm new here, and I welcome feedback!
Hi Group.
My name is Les Mavor. I have been an active model railroader since
1970, and although I currently model in HO (SHAME!), I got the bug
through the American Flyer trains my father started me off with at the
tender age of 6. We used to set up out in the driveway in the summer,
using the gravel base as ballast, and an extension cord from the house.
That was in the 1950s and Mom appreciated it since it kept the smoke
level down in the house!
My wife and I own and manage BPH Enterprises http://www.sceniking.com
and have enjoyed supplying S-gaugers with scale-sized photographic
backdrop kits for some time, but until recently, we did not produce any
kits specifically scaled for S-alone.
We decided to produce our latest scene - Midtown - in actual S gauge
to "gauge" reaction from the S-gauge community. Positive reaction would
result in additional offerings.

So we need feedback: You may have seen our new U030 Midtown kit at
train shows or in the latest edition of S-Gaugian. What do you think?
Are we on the right track? Which of our current scenes would you like
to see made available in actual S-gauge? How can we help add another
dimension to your hobby enjoyment?

Les Mavor, NMRA/NFR, CAoRM
Group: S-Trains Message: 43774 From: romoyer@att.net Date: 3/20/2007
Subject: Thanks and another question
Ladies and Gentlemen:

Just a quick post to thank everyone who responded to my question on the Truscott set. I apologize for the delay. I had a death in the family. My 92 year old father died of Alzheimers. Of course he's the one who started me off with AF trains. It's funny looking back how subtle the cues were with this disease. Like about five years ago he bought me some three rail Lionel stuff for the first time. Three Rail? Subtle cues even back then.
Next question, and it relates in kind to the steering wheel on the boxcar ebay listing. On the Franklin engine, the larger dome near the cab is called?
I have fun with the trains but the nomenclature i.e walschertt valves etc. is a technology before my time.
Things have a way of catching up on you. I've been fixing computers since the early 70's when the took up rooms and now I tell the young guys how I used to fix 50meg (yes MEG) disc drives that weighed 200 pounds they darn near wet themselves laughing.

Regards

Bob Moyer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43775 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 3/20/2007
Subject: TCA Convention in Denver
The TCA Quarterly on the TCA Denver Convention was just delivered to my
house. Very few "S" layout tours are offered. Any "S" gaugers coming to
the Denver convertion please contact me, as my layout is open for
viewing. My layout is 13' x 34' , lots of accessories, pre war and post
war. But it was not put on the convention tours because it will hold only
3 people at a time, and requires a duck ( on your knees ) under. but all
are welcome.
Jerry 77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 43776 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 3/20/2007
Subject: Pine Canyon News Advert
Hi Gang,
Just a quick note to let you know that we have another version of our
latest kit available. For those who model the later years, its a large
concrete structure without the cooling tower. Here is a link to the
page http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/359concrete.htm. Also, by
demand, we have brought back the greasy spoon cafe. We should have
these kits on the shelf within a couple of weeks.
Thank you for your support in S,
Keith Blanchard
Group: S-Trains Message: 43777 From: Alan Evans Date: 3/20/2007
Subject: 2007 S Spree --MORE than just a "Train Show"
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43778 From: Mark Preman Date: 3/21/2007
Subject: values
The 2007 Greenberg Price Guide is available for $13 at http://www.americanflyertrains.com .
See it on the Book Page, buy it on the Buy-On-Line page. Mark


Mark B. Preman
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43779 From: lne1957 Date: 3/21/2007
Subject: wheelset exchange
I have a batch of S Helper high rail wheelsets that I would like to
swap for S Helper Scale wheelsets. I discovered that the S Helper
High rail wheels can be pressed on to AF blunt axels and the Flyer
cars roll better, have a better appearing wheel profile and behave
better then the frequently out of gauge Flyer wheels. To sweeten the
deal I will include one high rail coupler for every two wheelsets
(four wheelsets/2 couplers per car)

What I did... (1)I used a Northwest Short Line wheel puller to
remove the Flyer wheels from their axel; (2)stuck the axel in my drill
and buffed the blunt end (which rides in the side frames of the truck)
with a fingernail buffing pad (about 600 wet and dry sanding paper);
(3)cleaned the mounting holes in the side frames with a Q Tip; (4)
slide the S Helper wheels on to the axels (the wheels are snug but can
be pressed on by hand); (5) gauge the wheels using a simple gauge made
from styrene or brass; and (6) reinsert new wheels and axels in the
Flyer side frames.

Think about it if you have S Helper scale wheels in the way and
gathering dust.

Jim Schall
LNE in Tennessee
Group: S-Trains Message: 43781 From: David Date: 3/21/2007
Subject: Lionel track for American Flyer
I'm thinking to buy 20 pieces of Lionel track for my 50s AF trains. Has
anyone tried the new track them yet and how do they work?
David
Group: S-Trains Message: 43782 From: Alex Sibbald Date: 3/22/2007
Subject: drive-in
Hi all,
I recently completed a model of a 1950's "S" scale drive-in by Pine
Canyon Scale Models. It is the 5th model that I have built by them and I
would like to report that they are some of the best models available.
They are supporting our "S" scale in a big way, actually concentrating
on us while other manufacturers court the larger markets. Their models
are well documented and the details are wonderful. My latest model is
displayed on their website under customer photos. I supplemented their
kit with lighting products from Miller Engineering. Both brands are
available from Doug Peck at Port Lines Hobby Supplies.
Alex Sibbald
Group: S-Trains Message: 43783 From: roy inman Date: 3/22/2007
Subject: FW: KCS to unveil new locomotives in KC next month
Hi all;

Just FYI.

Roy

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KCS' new paint scheme Kansas City Southern de Mexico ES44AC 4650 shows off
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SAN LUIS POTOSI, Mex. - Kansas City Southern officially unveiled its "new"
paint scheme today, with a ceremony featuring ES44AC 4650, currently the
only engine painted in the colors. The company will hold a similar ceremony
in Kansas City in April.

The colors first appeared on KCS' Southern Belle passenger trains, which
operated from 1940 until 1969. The company will use the paint scheme on 30
EMD SD70Ace locomotives and 30 ES44ACs. The 4650 belongs to KCS subsidiary
Kansas City Southern de Mexico; KCS and its subsidiaries have signed letters
of intent to purchase 70 more EMDs and 80 more GEs, all of which should
receive the new paint scheme.

The new locomotives aren't the only paint story at KCS. The company has
committed to purchase 1,050 covered hoppers and 150 covered steel coil cars,
which will be delivered in a paint scheme "complimentary" to the new
locomotive scheme. The first of those cars will be unveiled Thursday.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 43784 From: roy inman Date: 3/22/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel track for American Flyer
It is the K-Line version of AF. Very similar to the old AF, but uses flat
pins to mate the sections, and therefore is not easily compatible with old
AF.

Roy Inman

From: David <tobeetwo@...>
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:16:46 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel track for American Flyer


I'm thinking to buy 20 pieces of Lionel track for my 50s AF trains. Has
anyone tried the new track them yet and how do they work?
David






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Group: S-Trains Message: 43785 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 3/22/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel track for American Flyer
Why not just get the old AF stuff? There is still plenty around and it pops up on ebay all the time and its not that expensive..... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: David
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:16 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel track for American Flyer


I'm thinking to buy 20 pieces of Lionel track for my 50s AF trains. Has
anyone tried the new track them yet and how do they work?
David





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43786 From: Michael Self Date: 3/23/2007
Subject: power to motor
I have a AF engine 21160. There is power getting to
the motor but the motor will not work. I can spin the
motor by hand so I know it is not froze up. All the
wires are in good shape and hooked up. I checked
everything I could think of with an ohm meter. Any
suggestions????? Thanks Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43787 From: aagaardtheviking Date: 3/25/2007
Subject: 30B Transformer Question
Hello. I recently obtained a nice American Flyer 30B, dual handle, 18V
transformer. Knowing nothing about it, I first thought it was
defective since either side would not completely shut off power when
set at zero. After searching the archives in this group, I found out
that's the way it was suppose to perform (so the reverse in the
engines is not triggered). My question is does anyone here have the
instruction sheet that came with it? I would really like to obtain a
copy of this (through email or regular mail). Hoping someone here
could help me out. Thanks a lot.
Eric
Group: S-Trains Message: 43788 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 3/26/2007
Subject: 30B Transformer
Eric,

Try Doug Peck at Portlines Hobby. He is a member of this list serve, and if he does not have it he will know where to check for it.

Mike
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43790 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 3/26/2007
Subject: Curiosity about Rocket and Comet B Units on Ebay -
The same seller has both a Rocket B unit and a Comet B unit on eBay. I am
not a Flyer collector but am curious about these units. I have never seen a B
unit for either of these though I vaguely recall I may have read something
about them several years ago. The seller lists both of these as having been
manufactured in 1955. Were these made them or is there a possiblity that these are
repaints of other B units ?

- Earl Henry, Nashville
Group: S-Trains Message: 43791 From: Phil K Date: 3/26/2007
Subject: Re: Curiosity about Rocket and Comet B Units on Ebay -
Earl --

You are correct about these not being made for mass retail sales by
A.C. Gilbert American Flyer. Years ago, Ken Hein painted up and sold
excellent repros of both using B unit shells from other Gilbert
issues.

Although it says these are from 1955, I'm not sure if these are two of
the *rare* very, very few made by Gilbert. I remember reading that
years ago one of the originals was the first model train item to sell
for more than $5,000, so I seriously doubt originals would be offered
with no reserve. I would also guess that some big-time collectors know
where every known authentic B unit is.

Also, the originals I believe used decaled lettering. I can't see any
real detail off the provided photos. Perhaps Bob Bubeck or Harwood
Owings III will chime in on this one.

These are also available today -- shells only -- for about $229 each.
The same guy also makes a NH B unit for $169. Or less if you provide
the shells.

Phil K

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--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote:
>
> The same seller has both a Rocket B unit and a Comet B unit on
eBay.
I am
> not a Flyer collector but am curious about these units. I have
never
seen a B
> unit for either of these though I vaguely recall I may have read
something
> about them several years ago. The seller lists both of these as
having been
> manufactured in 1955. Were these made them or is there a
possiblity
that these are
> repaints of other B units ?
>
> - Earl Henry, Nashville
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43792 From: Donald Thompson Date: 3/26/2007
Subject: Re: Curiosity about Rocket and Comet B Units on Ebay -
Dear Phil,
Maury Romer told me years ago that only two painted samples were
made of the Comet B unit. He had one and did not know where the other
ended up. They were used as display items, but the sales were not very
good so they were not produced.
Best regards,
Don

Phil K wrote:

> Earl --
>
> ...You are correct about these not being made for mass retail sales by
> A.C. Gilbert American Flyer
>
>
> .
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43793 From: Michael Stanton Date: 3/26/2007
Subject: 8th Annual Flyer Fest West
Hello All. Have you seen the announcements in Classic Toy Trains,
S Gaugian, and the NASG Dispatch? The Sacramento Valley American
Flyer Club is hosting the 8th annual Flyer Fest West on May 4th,
5th, and 6th in Elk Grove, California. This event has grown over
the years to become the largest American Flyer and S gauge Hi-rail
gathering on the West Coast.

Friday evening's reception will feature "Gilbert's Other Products"
at the home of a private collector. In addition to trains, the A.C.
Gilbert Company produced appliances, fans, tools, games, and science
kits as well as the popular Erector sets.

The trading hall will be open on Saturday with a large operating
layout, train races, a modeling contest, clinics by Steve Blackburn
of SnS Trains and Jack Ahearn, a toy train docent at the California
State Railway Museum. The guest speaker at the banquet will be
Robert Church presenting "Southern Pacific Steam Power Over Donner
Summit". Special guest Julie Gilbert Trail (A.C. Gilbert's
granddaughter), her son, grandson, and several other family members
will join us on Saturday. David "Train Doctor" Dewey, from the NASG
Dispatch, will be on hand to help diagnose problems with your rail
equipment.

Sunday's activity will be a behind-the-scenes look at the Western
Railway Museum displays as well as trolley rides and excursions on
historic interurban cars over parts of the old Sacramento Northern
mainline. Lionel is producing an American Flyer limited edition
insulated boxcar as a commemorative item for Flyer Fest West 2007
but you must register for the event in order to purchase it. For
registration information call Don Rosa at (916) 682-6961 or email
FFW2007@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43794 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/26/2007
Subject: Re: Curiosity about Rocket and Comet B Units on Ebay -
Earl,
These look like reproductions to me, port holes void of clear plastic
insert and there is only a single hole on the Rocket B where the steps would
be attached. No metal steps on either.
I agree with Phil & Don. The prototypes are out there some where but
these aren't any of those.

Harwood
Group: S-Trains Message: 43795 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 3/27/2007
Subject: Re: Curiosity about Rocket and Comet B Units on Ebay -
I heard from him this morning..... He is going to revise the listing to include REPRO..... Bob Conner
----- Original Message -----
From: HOwingsiii@...
To: Tennsgauge@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 1:29 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Curiosity about Rocket and Comet B Units on Ebay -


Earl,
These look like reproductions to me, port holes void of clear plastic
insert and there is only a single hole on the Rocket B where the steps would
be attached. No metal steps on either.
I agree with Phil & Don. The prototypes are out there some where but
these aren't any of those.

Harwood





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43796 From: N Becker Date: 3/27/2007
Subject: 30B Transformer
I have loaded photos of my original instruction sheet to the group's photo link.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43797 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 3/27/2007
Subject: Re: 1955 ALCo B units
Earl,

A picture of Roger Loria's sample of an original Comet 467 can be found in
the Greenberg Vol. 1(s). The VERY FEW original samples made had decal
lettering, sheet metal steps, and clear plastic portholes. There is only one known
example of the Rocket 476 B unit and the piece pictured on ebay isn't it. The
two pieces that are being offered for sale on ebay have every appearance of
being repros, IMHO.

The third of the elusive 1955 B units is the Silver Flash 480. For these
there was a very small production run and they occasionally show up, even
packaged in stamped boxes with internal wraps.

Bob Bubeck




In a message dated 3/27/2007 9:11:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

The same seller has both a Rocket B unit and a Comet B unit on eBay. I am
not a Flyer collector but am curious about these units.......






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Group: S-Trains Message: 43798 From: Harold Geyer Date: 3/27/2007
Subject: AF parts
I would like to get information in locating Fred Jester for part
availability. Can anyone help me?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43799 From: Phil K Date: 3/27/2007
Subject: Re: AF parts
fredstrainparts@...

*********************************************************************

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Harold Geyer" <geyers1@...> wrote:
>
> I would like to get information in locating Fred Jester for part
> availability. Can anyone help me?
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43800 From: Phil K Date: 3/27/2007
Subject: Re: Curiosity about Rocket and Comet B Units on Ebay -
Another eBay scam story --

I had bid on both of these B-units, just for the heck of it.

Within minutes of Trainz.com canceling these two auctions earlier
today, I received via email TWO SCAM offers to buy them from a "John
Simmons" -- too bad I know Scott and Milinda Griggs own Trainz, the
original seller.

"John Simmons" said: "I'm the seller of the item that you've recently
bided[sic] through the eBay system. Item name: AF 476 AFL Rocket B-
Unit Diesel Locomotive Item number: (230109673666) I`ve just been
contacted by the eBay staff who informed me that due to some reasons
the eBay policy automatically proclaims you to be the winner by
default. I need your agreement on this so I can contact eBay to
confirm you[sic] that you're the winner, otherwise I'll relist the
item. I am sorry for the inconvenience, but I need an answer asap.
You will have the oportunity to purchase the item at your last given
price wich is US $130.00 .If you agree my offer[sic] please respond
this email or contact me at cociadr@... . Thank you!"

This person is a FRAUD. You've been warned!

Phil K

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...>
wrote:
>
> I heard from him this morning..... He is going to revise the
listing to include REPRO..... Bob Conner
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: HOwingsiii@...
> To: Tennsgauge@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 1:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Curiosity about Rocket and Comet B Units
on Ebay -
>
>
> Earl,
> These look like reproductions to me, port holes void of clear
plastic
> insert and there is only a single hole on the Rocket B where the
steps would
> be attached. No metal steps on either.
> I agree with Phil & Don. The prototypes are out there some where
but
> these aren't any of those.
>
> Harwood
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43802 From: whtrainman Date: 3/27/2007
Subject: Re: Curiosity about Rocket and Comet B Units on Ebay -
Gentlemen
There is an outfit on the web that advertises a painting service.
They can paint a B unit in the Rocket, Comet, or New Haven scheme.
You have to supply your own shell. They do not add portholes,
ladders, etc. You have to add them, plus a chassis. The going rate
is $149 and up depending on the scheme.

$10 says that is what these are.
Do a search for : A.C. Gilbert American Flyer S-Gauge Rarity
Repaints on the web.

Walt Johnson

- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...>
wrote:
>
> I heard from him this morning..... He is going to revise the
listing to include REPRO..... Bob Conner
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: HOwingsiii@...
> To: Tennsgauge@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 1:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Curiosity about Rocket and Comet B Units
on Ebay -
>
>
> Earl,
> These look like reproductions to me, port holes void of clear
plastic
> insert and there is only a single hole on the Rocket B where the
steps would
> be attached. No metal steps on either.
> I agree with Phil & Don. The prototypes are out there some where
but
> these aren't any of those.
>
> Harwood
>
> >
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43803 From: George Cohn Date: 3/27/2007
Subject: Re: Curiosity about Rocket and Comet B Units on Ebay -
Phil K wrote:

>
> "John Simmons" said: "I'm the seller of the item that you've recently
> bided[sic] through the eBay system. Item name: AF 476 AFL Rocket B-
> Unit Diesel Locomotive Item number: (230109673666) I`ve just been
> contacted by the eBay staff who informed me that due to some reasons
> the eBay policy automatically proclaims you to be the winner by
> default.

eBay has gotten scary lately. What with the scammers like this one, the
"power sellers" that screw you, and the buyers who leave negative
feedback months later, it's to the point that I rarely even look there
anymore.

A friend of mine recently sold a classic car with the terms "AS-IS No
Warranty" plainly listed in the auction. A month after the buyer
received the car, he needed a tire replaced. When my friend wouldn't
pay for the tire, he left negative feedback and no amount of contacting
eBay could have it removed.

I'm curious how they got your e-mail address as eBay seems to so
carefully "hide" the identity of the bidders now?

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 43804 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 3/28/2007
Subject: S-spree
Hello all,

As you know the Spree is forthcoming. A dealer friend, Gary Clark won't be
attending. He was stricken with abdominal pain last Tuesday, and had surgery
performed on Thursday. I just got off the phone with Laura, and he is now
home recuperating. Just thought you all might like to know. They both expect
to be at York in April.

As for myself, I am leaving PA for OH shortly. I will be at the Spree and
the Clark County Fairgrounds for the Springfield OH show on Sunday.

See you all there,

Fred
Group: S-Trains Message: 43805 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 3/28/2007
Subject: Re: [TCA_members_group] Question about York.]
The flea market at the TCA museum consists of selling excess magazines,
paper etc...... usually no trains.... would strongly suggest you try to pass
thru the York area on Tuesday..... and on Wednesday..... most all the Bandit
will be open too around York..... 5 large train shows around town...... WELL
WORTH THE VISITS.... ANYTHING YOU WANT......AND MOST BIGGER THAN ANY OTHER
SHOW YOU HAVE BEEN TOO.... weather permitting the outdoor shows can fill an
entire parking lot...... I will go to the museum for mags that day..... but
you also have lots of people speaking about their products..... Bob Conner


>> Subject: Re: [TCA_members_group] Question about York.
>>
>> York show is April 19-21. Dealer Hals are open Thursday 12-7 pm, Friday
>> 9 am - 7 pm, and Saturday 9 am - 2 pm. Please stop by table H-3 & 4,
>
>> > I did notice that the TCA Museum is having a flea Market on Wednesday
>> > the 18th and that is when I plan to leave NY for NC. Do you need to
>> > purchase a ticket in advance for this flea market. And also if anyone
>> > has attended in the past, do you know exactly what they sell. It
>> > states well-used items. I have been to the museum plenty of times
>> > before but never for the flea market and I can probably stop by for an
>> > our or so without delaying my trip to NC too long.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43807 From: lvtrainmeet Date: 3/28/2007
Subject: Lots of Flyer At Allentown Pa Train Meet
Just wanted to let everyone know there is a good train meet coming up
April 15 at Merchants Square Mall 1901 s 12th st Allentown Pa. They
have a real good choice of post war and tin plate trains and repair
parts plus more. I alway enjoy it .You can see picture and information
at www.lehighvalleytrainmeet.com .I always enjoy it nice selection of
Marx, lionel and flyer trains. Kevin R
Group: S-Trains Message: 43817 From: George Cohn Date: 3/28/2007
Subject: Multiple e-mails
I'm not the admin but I belong to several yahoo mail lists and it looks
like they are having serious problems with multiple copies of every message.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 43841 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 3/29/2007
Subject: Re: YAHOO
Is it just me or is everyone getting multi. messages from Yahoo groups? Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 43844 From: Phil K Date: 3/29/2007
Subject: From Yahoo regarding multiple emails...
Duplicate Messages and Email Delivery

We're aware of the duplicate message bug that has been affecting
groups today and are working to resolve the issue (a side effect of
this bug is that some messages are also being delayed). We have
actually pushed two fixes already, but we are aware that some groups
are still experiencing the problem and that more needs to be done to
fully resolve the issue.

There is, however, one silver lining to this bug. It was the result
of our latest system updates intended to improve email delivery
speeds. So once the bugs are resolved, we should see a significant
reduction in the time it takes to deliver messages to Yahoo! Groups
members.

We will update this report as soon as we have more definitive
information on the status of this issue.

Thank you and our apologies for any inconvenience caused by the
duplicate messages.

The Yahoo! Groups Team
Group: S-Trains Message: 43845 From: Phil K Date: 3/29/2007
Subject: Update from Yahoo! re: email
Update (8:00 am PST, 3/29): A fix was pushed at midnight (Pacific Time)
that we believe has resolved the problem for messages submitted after
that time. However, it is possible that some users of some groups may
have continued to receive duplicates of messages that were posted
before midnight.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Things seem to be settling down now at 4:30PM (CDST),
although copies of several emails sent yesterday still keep coming
through.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43846 From: Richard Karnes Date: 3/29/2007
Subject: Mobley Library vacation
All --

The NASG's Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library will be closed from April 1, 2007 through May 1, 2007.

Dick Karnes, Librarian

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43847 From: Chris Date: 3/29/2007
Subject: Warning
On e-Bay:
larrick2007 aka robbie-n-anna@...

Be warned: This buyer has still not shipped my caboose for 5 weeks.
PayPal is doing one of their molasses slow investigations. e-Bay
passed me to them and did nothing.

I should never have done business with these people. I am usually so
careful. When I see questionable feedback I steer clear. I wasn't
careful this time and got burned.

Anyway, put them on your list.

A wiser
Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 43848 From: Chris Date: 3/29/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel track for American Flyer
Roy Inman said:
>>It is the K-Line version of AF. Very similar to the old AF, but uses
flat pins to mate the sections, and therefore is not easily compatible
with old AF.<<

I don't understand. All Flyer track uses flat pins. My wide radius K-
Line curve track plugs right into my old Flyer straights with nothing
left over.

Now, Gargraves pins are a little on the thin side and don't mate as
well, though I get by. Maybe you were thinking of Gargraves, Roy?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43849 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 3/30/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel track for American Flyer
I have used the K-Line product and mixed it in with my old AF. The 54 in radius can be especially helpful for an engine like the Flyonel Northern that might find it difficult to negotiate the smaller radius on the old AF.
Both pins - the original AF and the K-Line repro - are flat. The K-line is just a tad bit larger. You'll find the original pins will work fine going into the K-Line if you bend them slightly, but you'll need to file down the K-Line pin to go into the original AF. When I need to buy pins just for the original AF, I prefer to get the Gargraves pins. They slide in easily. Gargrves are flat as well.
Jim E.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43850 From: Rick Evans Date: 3/30/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel track for American Flyer
Roy Inman said:
>>It is the K-Line version of AF. Very similar to the old AF, but uses
flat pins to mate the sections, and therefore is not easily compatible
with old AF.<<


I have a few K-Line curves, I'll have to check.

Rick.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43851 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 3/30/2007
Subject: Archive address?
I've lost the address for the website of the pictures of all the AF
engines and rolling stock. A fellow collected all the photos and put
them in one well-orgainzed album. I switched internet providers and
lost some of my address book. Anyone out there know what I'm talking
about and have it handy? Thanks.
Jim E.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43852 From: Phil K Date: 3/30/2007
Subject: Re: Archive address?
http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "hugoroundhouse" <jimensign50@...>
wrote:
>
> I've lost the address for the website of the pictures of all the AF
> engines and rolling stock. A fellow collected all the photos and put
> them in one well-orgainzed album. I switched internet providers and
> lost some of my address book. Anyone out there know what I'm talking
> about and have it handy? Thanks.
> Jim E.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43853 From: trainman634 Date: 3/31/2007
Subject: Tab & Screw Sheet Metal Boxcar Frame
What was the first year American Flyer first used the tab & screw
sheet metal boxcar frame?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43854 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/31/2007
Subject: 470 help, mystery?
I am stumped on this one. I'm working on a dual motor 470 I just picked up.
If I hold the engine off the track and attach my leads from transformer to
the top of each engine yoke the engine will run in forward direction only.
After cycling through one whole revolution of the E-unit drum it will again run
only forward on the same position on the drum. It will not run in reverse at
any time. If I place it on the test track and try to attach both leads to the
track I get sparking and will short out. I have been over the wiring, it is
correct. Fingers on e-unit good condition, drum clean. Don't see any wires
touching anything they are not supposed to.
Any help would be appreciated.

Harwood



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43855 From: srgriggs Date: 3/31/2007
Subject: Re: 470 help, mystery?
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote:
>
> I am stumped on this one. I'm working on a dual motor 470 I just
picked up.
> If I hold the engine off the track and attach my leads from
transformer to
> the top of each engine yoke the engine will run in forward
direction only.
> After cycling through one whole revolution of the E-unit drum it
will again run
> only forward on the same position on the drum. It will not run in
reverse at
> any time. If I place it on the test track and try to attach both
leads to the
> track I get sparking and will short out. I have been over the
wiring, it is
> correct. Fingers on e-unit good condition, drum clean. Don't see
any wires
> touching anything they are not supposed to.
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Harwood

You might want to check that this unit has the insulating wheels on
the correct side of each axle. The centers of insulated ACG diesel
wheels contain a molded plastic insert to electrically isolate the
chassis from a direct short situation. Correct installation of
these wheels is two on each truck, with two on one side of the front
truck and the other two on the opposite side of the rear truck. If
you engine has a flip-flopped set of insulated wheels on one of the
trucks or if one of the insulated wheels has been improperly
replaced with a non-insulated type, it might behave in the manner
you describe. Doesn't explain why it only runs in forward
direction, however.

Scott
Group: S-Trains Message: 43856 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/31/2007
Subject: Re: 470 help, mystery?
<<<You might want to check that this unit has the insulating wheels on
the correct side of each axle. >>>

ALSO....make sure that the NON-insulated wheels are on the SAME side of the truck as the sliding pickup shoe.
If for some reason, the wheels got reversed, it will result in the pickup wheels on the opposite side as the pickup shoe..............and once you place it on the track, you have a short.

One-way operation....if you're certain it's all wired properly (wiring diagrams on our website), would seem to indicate one or more e-unit contact fingers is not touching the drum. Remove the finger board, give each finger a slight downward bend, and then remount the board.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
www.sgaugetrains.com <http://www.sgaugetrains.com/>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43857 From: David A. Highfield Date: 3/31/2007
Subject: video of NS train 951 led by restored F units
This video was shot 3/29 in Delaplane, VA.

http://uncutvideo.aol.com/videos/5a84c7f736bf51cf8abfde7b3d6227c3?index=0

Dave in Westminster, MD

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43858 From: srgriggs Date: 3/31/2007
Subject: Re: Curiosity about Rocket and Comet B Units on Ebay -
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote:
>
> Earl,
> These look like reproductions to me, port holes void of clear
plastic
> insert and there is only a single hole on the Rocket B where the
steps would
> be attached. No metal steps on either.
> I agree with Phil & Don. The prototypes are out there some
where but
> these aren't any of those.
>
> Harwood
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43859 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 3/31/2007
Subject: Re: 470 help, mystery?
Must have been very tired when I worked on the engine last night,1:00 in the
morning. My mind is not up to par when sleep is needed.
Went out this morning, found that one truck did'nt have an insulated
wheel on one side. Replaced the top fingers with a second new one. Presto,
problem solved. Thanks for all the email help. This group is alway there when
needed.
Sometimes we forget the simple answer to a problem.
Harwood
Group: S-Trains Message: 43860 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 4/1/2007
Subject: Spring S Spree '07
Well, Cindy and I have done our third Spree, and this one was the
most enjoyable yet. Of course we know more S folks now too, and met
even more at the Spree. Got to spend a lot of time talking to J. Fred
Roberts and Chuck Harrington that I usually only get to "chat" with.
Good to see you guys! Talked to many S-Train Group folks, many
who "lurk", and enjoyed meeting all of them.
I saw much neato stuff the vendors had on display, managed to spend
too much money, and ordered another loco from Terry Putt.
My latest small layout (under 4x6') was very well recieved and we
even had one fellow who wanted to buy it on the spot. Several others
asked questions about how it was built so they could build one, and
what did I have in mind for next year! (I'm going to go SMALLER!)
I was NOT invited into the parking lot for a whipping by any Gilbert
collectors as I expected! I ran the junk box rebuilds of my 0-8-0/2-8-
0 and my Silver Bullet/Blue Bullet ALOT over the weekend too!
The Central Ohio S Gaugers were extremely nice and helpful, and
obviously worked hard to make the show a success. I hope everyone had
as good a time as Cindy and I did!
Thanks guys!
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer from Applatchia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43861 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/1/2007
Subject: Train-Liquor Store
Last night I was in Annapolis, at the Rams Head for a Iris Dement concert. Across the street from the Rams Head, was this store I forgot about, as it has to be the only the train shop and liquor store all in one location. A few years ago, the Washington Post had a story about this location, as the owner was going to close the store(s).
They must of found a buyer for this empire.
Interesting to see train layouts in the store window with bottles of Jim Bean, Jack Daniels and other names on bottles.
No drinking and driving your trains at the same time please, especially if you have track that has 3 rails, as to me, that is still weird to see, even when you are sober!!!!! I think one of the layout in the window was HO, so it was 2 rail track. And no S scale to be seen anywhere, not even behind a bottle or two.
Mike Marmer
Gritz Liquor Store
34 West Street, Annapolis, MD 21401
410-263-3413
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43862 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/1/2007
Subject: Re: Spring S Spree '07
Hey Stumpy,



It sounds like you had a good time. Have you posted any photos or drawings
of your small layouts? I looked through the photos and files sections, but,
I had no success. My own situation favors a small layout and I would
appreciate some inspiration.



Thanks,

Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Stumpy Stone
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:31 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Spring S Spree '07



Well, Cindy and I have done our third Spree, and this one was the
most enjoyable yet. Of course we know more S folks now too, and met
even more at the Spree. Got to spend a lot of time talking to J. Fred
Roberts and Chuck Harrington that I usually only get to "chat" with.
Good to see you guys! Talked to many S-Train Group folks, many
who "lurk", and enjoyed meeting all of them.
I saw much neato stuff the vendors had on display, managed to spend
too much money, and ordered another loco from Terry Putt.
My latest small layout (under 4x6') was very well recieved and we
even had one fellow who wanted to buy it on the spot. Several others
asked questions about how it was built so they could build one, and
what did I have in mind for next year! (I'm going to go SMALLER!)
I was NOT invited into the parking lot for a whipping by any Gilbert
collectors as I expected! I ran the junk box rebuilds of my 0-8-0/2-8-
0 and my Silver Bullet/Blue Bullet ALOT over the weekend too!
The Central Ohio S Gaugers were extremely nice and helpful, and
obviously worked hard to make the show a success. I hope everyone had
as good a time as Cindy and I did!
Thanks guys!
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer from Applatchia.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 43863 From: SnSTrains@aol.com Date: 4/1/2007
Subject: Web site address change
Just a note to any and all that are linked to our web site that we have
changed servers and have a new address. Our new web site is now sns-trains.com.
Please change your link information.
Thanks,

Steve
S-'n-S Trains
American Flyer
replacement can motors
S-Gauge Videos
American Flyer repair
S and O gauge track cleaners
3239 Pepperwood Dr.
Boise, Idaho 83704
208-376-1159
SnStrains@...
www.sns-trains.com



************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43864 From: louis glumac Date: 4/1/2007
Subject: FOR SALE
i have the following for sale,
HO set #141 $200
21004 E $400
499 $225
322 $80 needs trailing truck and e unit,and wired

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43865 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: Re: transformers
Some help, please.

I have acquired a 22090 350W transformer, which appears to be in running
order. I want to use it for my 1939-41 3/16" trains. When I was running my
trains years ago, as a child, I had a Lionel ZW. So, I am not clear on the
use of the "third" terminal on AF transformers. Which posts are used for
running the trains - base + fixed, or base + variable, or does it make any
difference? Also, I assume that the integral directional control would NOT
be of any use in my application, right? All of my locos have their old
conventional e-units.

Also, is there a source for (a) instructions for the transformer, and (b)
replacement red handles (one has a broken pointer)?

Thanks very much.

Dick Hosmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43866 From: Bruce D. Willis Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: ebay and the IRS
Would anyone venture to tell me whether money made from ebay sales is
taxable, and if so, how is it reported? I don't see anything
applicable in the 1040 instructions.

Reply directly to me at willisbd@...

Thanks,
Bruce
Group: S-Trains Message: 43867 From: Phil K Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: eBay income is taxable...
As the April 15 deadline for U.S. private citizens to file their 2006
income tax returns draws near, the government is reminding sellers on
eBay that they may have to report any proceeds from sales on the
auction site as taxable income.

This could be a surprise to some of the 150 million registered eBay
users who consider trading on San Jose-based auction site to be a non-
taxable hobby. Complicating matters, eBay says it doesn't report
individual sales figures to the government -– users are responsible
to report any profits on their own tax returns.

The amount of money traveling through eBay is big business. $33.8
billion worth of merchandise was sold on the site in 2004, up from
$5.2 billion in 2000.

Although eBay pays taxes on its share of the sales (5.25 percent cut
from each transaction), the IRS fears some small businesses are using
the site to dodge tax responsibility. Adding to the confusion, some
sellers may legally be a taxable business without realizing it.

The U.S. Internal Revenue Service has a nine-point checklist it uses
to determine whether or not a money-making activity is legally a
business, which means money made is taxable, or a simple hobby -–
where it is not taxable. The IRS can consider a person to be a
legal "business" even though they never incorporated or claimed to be
one.

According to Woodbury, New York-based accountant Bart Fooden in an
Associated Press interview, the IRS looks for such things as evidence
that the auction seller depends on the eBay sales income to pay for
activities other than maintaining the hobby, acts in a businesslike
manner when selling on auctions or puts enough time and effort into
the eBay activities that there is an obvious intent to make a profit. Bank records may be subpoenaed to gather evidence.

But Fooden said in the same interview casual users probably have
nothing to worry about. Those cleaning out closets or the garage and
selling off junk for less than the original price paid are not
turning a profit, so that money is not considered income and is not
taxable.

You may also need to register as a business in your state and obtain
a sale tax ID and business license.

Most states are cracking down on high-volume eBay sellers who do not charge sales tax or report their eBay income. Or even worse, those who charge sales tax and fail to pass it on to the state. At certain dollar amounts, these are felonies and earn you jail time.

But remember as you report your eBay income (gained) to the IRS, you are allowed to deduct as an expense the cost paid for the goods, shipping expenses, etc. You must then report what you charge for shipping and handling as income. Make sure you have good records, well-organized, and request and provide legal receipts.

I have an acquaintance who as a car and parts collector who developed into high volume buyer and dealer. He worked at a job that paid $25,000 a year; his wife did not work at all. He never declared ANY of his "extra" revenues, estimated by some at over $50,000 per year. He felt safe taking only cash and money orders. He never used a checkbook or credit cards -- he always had plenty of cash.

You can guess where this is going. Someone he ticked off dropped a dime, the IRS swarmed in, examined his financial records, took inventory of his assets, and questioned him as to how he could spend more than $450,000 than he earned. (He had bought three cars and a racing boat, all for cash.)

They confiscated all of his assets. They have garnished his paycheck. He hasn't gone to federal prison yet, but may because of felony fruad and mail fraud. He also is facing an IRS lien for over $900,000 in penalties and back taxes. No more fancy house with a pool -- he lives in a dumpy apartment and his wife left him. He will never get this off his record, either.

So be careful out there.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 43868 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: Re: ebay and the IRS
Bruce,

That was an April Fool's joke, right?

If you made a profit thereby, it is reportable AND taxable, whether there is
a specific line for it or not!

Now, as to the percentage of people who actually DO report such sales, I'd
guess it is infinitesimal. I'd also guess that Uncle Sam has some very
bright minds working on how to correct that. After all, the records are
there, it is merely a matter of how to go about extracting them. The part
that would be tricky is determining the person's "basis" in the item(s).
THAT would take some expense. Possibly, they will make Ebay make you provide
such data when you list the item? Ebay would resist that mightily, because
while they may be arrogant and totally unresponsive to complaints against
sellers, they are not stupid, and such a rule would put them out of business
overnight.

Another thing that you'd better believe Uncle is working on is how to tax
the present "free" email traffic, which has just about killed
letter-writing, thus putting a serious dent in 1st class postage.

Dick Hosmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43869 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: taxes
I agree and understand what Phil wrote, but what a state we are in now..... If you have IRA's, Savings for old age, etc..... Its all taxed..... Why can't there be a venue where someone who has aquired STUFF over the years be allowed to dispose of it without having to prove all costs, expenses, etc...... How many of us have kept records of what we bought, expenses to York, etc, over all the years..... I set up at a show in Ga..... they wanted a tax on all sales.... I think its getting to be WAY TOO MUCH..... TAX - TAX - TAX - TAX - ETC. Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43870 From: roy inman Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: Re: taxes
Y' think?

Roy Inman

From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...>
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 11:49:17 -0400
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] taxes


I agree and understand what Phil wrote, but what a state we are in now.....
If you have IRA's, Savings for old age, etc..... Its all taxed..... Why
can't there be a venue where someone who has aquired STUFF over the years be
allowed to dispose of it without having to prove all costs, expenses,
etc...... How many of us have kept records of what we bought, expenses to
York, etc, over all the years..... I set up at a show in Ga..... they wanted
a tax on all sales.... I think its getting to be WAY TOO MUCH..... TAX - TAX
- TAX - TAX - ETC. Bob
Group: S-Trains Message: 43871 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: Re: ebay and the IRS
DUH..... Maybe I am confused but I thought the POST OFFICE, along with the FEDERAL RESERVE are private corporations???? Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hosmer
To: Bruce D. Willis ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ebay and the IRS


Bruce,

That was an April Fool's joke, right?

If you made a profit thereby, it is reportable AND taxable, whether there is
a specific line for it or not!

Now, as to the percentage of people who actually DO report such sales, I'd
guess it is infinitesimal. I'd also guess that Uncle Sam has some very
bright minds working on how to correct that. After all, the records are
there, it is merely a matter of how to go about extracting them. The part
that would be tricky is determining the person's "basis" in the item(s).
THAT would take some expense. Possibly, they will make Ebay make you provide
such data when you list the item? Ebay would resist that mightily, because
while they may be arrogant and totally unresponsive to complaints against
sellers, they are not stupid, and such a rule would put them out of business
overnight.

Another thing that you'd better believe Uncle is working on is how to tax
the present "free" email traffic, which has just about killed
letter-writing, thus putting a serious dent in 1st class postage.

Dick Hosmer




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43872 From: roy inman Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: Re: ebay and the IRS
Throwing another notion into the discussion: The IRS ruled some decades ago
that monies from garage sales were not taxable because they were virtually
untraceable and because virtually everything was sold at a loss. If it were
a legitimate business expense, then the profit or loss was a tax related
event. If it was "household goods" sold and not operating as a business as
such, it was not. Seems to me there is no difference between selling my 1949
ATSF train in a garage sale or on eBay (or in the newspaper or word of mouth
at a club meeting) since it was a gift from my parents and cost less than
whatever the threshold is for a gift-taxable event these days. The vast
majority of us buy trains for personal use not for profit, correct? So it is
a hobby and as such isn't taxable unless we try to deduct expenses
associated with that hobby, as I (barely) understand the convoluted, inane,
ridiculous tax laws.

There was a situation at a regular train show some years back wherein the
city representatives came around to each table and wanted the vendor to
collect sales tax. We had a meeting with them and pointed out
that if they were going to ask us to collect THEIR tax for them, and since
most of us were hobbyists, this was, in effect just a bogus taxable
situation. We figured it was just a big garage sale. The legitimate dealers
had to collect the sales tax, but the rest of us did not. And BTW, since the
show moved across the state line in Missouri, we have had no visits at all
from city or state tax representatives.

But I emphasize that your mileage may vary, and certainly consult a
reputable tax person.

My tax accountant says to treat my train collection as a hobby for tax
purposes, so that is how I am proceeding.

Cheers :)

Roy Inman






From: Richard Hosmer <rahosmer@...>
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 07:46:10 -0700
To: "Bruce D. Willis" <willisbd@...>, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ebay and the IRS


Bruce,

That was an April Fool's joke, right?

If you made a profit thereby, it is reportable AND taxable, whether there is
a specific line for it or not!

Now, as to the percentage of people who actually DO report such sales, I'd
guess it is infinitesimal. I'd also guess that Uncle Sam has some very
bright minds working on how to correct that. After all, the records are
there, it is merely a matter of how to go about extracting them. The part
that would be tricky is determining the person's "basis" in the item(s).
THAT would take some expense. Possibly, they will make Ebay make you provide
such data when you list the item? Ebay would resist that mightily, because
while they may be arrogant and totally unresponsive to complaints against
sellers, they are not stupid, and such a rule would put them out of business
overnight.

Another thing that you'd better believe Uncle is working on is how to tax
the present "free" email traffic, which has just about killed
letter-writing, thus putting a serious dent in 1st class postage.

Dick Hosmer





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43873 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: Re: ebay and the IRS
Dick, Phil & All,

E-Bay may not be in bed with the IRS yet, but they are in the car in the parking lot of a motel "Making-Out".

E-Bay is offering its sellers a monthly report of sales. So they are
keeping track of your total sales & fees. They are offering this info for "FREE" now & plan on charging in the future. So not only will they be able to give you & the IRS your sales info they can charge you to "RAT" on yourself. Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 43874 From: Mark Preman Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale - Your ebay Alternative
The new list is posted at http://www.americanflyertrains.com
Mark


Mark B. Preman
AmericanFlyerTrains.com

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Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43875 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: Re: TAXES
eBay Forums: Member Workshop: What is Cost of Goods ...

http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jspa?threadID=1000447220

Here is an E-BAY link that covers the "Cost of goods" & the IRS. Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 43876 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: Re: Spring S Spree '07
I was very fortunate to be able to attend S Spree 2007 this last
weekend. I have posted the photos that I took, including several of
Stumpy's unique portable layout, proof that everyone can have a
layout, even those who think they don't have any space!

Enjoy the many photos!

Chuck

http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album18
Group: S-Trains Message: 43877 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: Re: ebay and the IRS
In a message dated 4/2/2007 11:34:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rahosmer@... writes:

Now, as to the percentage of people who actually DO report such sales, I'd
guess it is infinitesimal. I'd also guess that Uncle Sam has some very



Undoubtedly the SADDEST part of all of this, is that the IRS freely admits
they DO NOT collect as much Income Tax that is owed as the Income Tax they
actually collect. BILLIONS go unreported and uncollected every year, since, as
surely you realize, the IRS would have to WORK to collect it. Those of us
who do report and pay carry the weight for the rest. The American way.

Jim " being taxed off the Keystone Main" Lyle
Group: S-Trains Message: 43878 From: Phil K Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: Re: ebay and the IRS
The IRS will freely admit it collects all of the taxes it reasonably
can. "Reasonably" is the key word here. It would be totally
impossible and cost-foolish to attempt to collect all taxes owed,
so they aim for the biggest offenders and use them as examples. Unfortunately, the IRS could never be successful playing cat-and-mouse with all the tax cheats out there, who do their best to avoid leaving a paper trail and getting caught. The guy I know who will soon be making little ones out of big ones was able to hide probably three-quarters of a million in illegal income. As big an offender as he was, it wasn't the IRS that got him -- it went down only with the help of a whistle-blower.

Which makes my point for no more income tax in its present form. We
should pay income tax as we buy things, a "Consumption Tax" just like
sales tax. The system would be fair because the wealthy would pay more taxes because they spend more.

There would be no more tax forms or paperwork or record-
keeping. And no one could duck paying his taxes or hide behind
loopholes and we also wouldn't need 80 percent of the huge IRS
workforce. Or the thousands of tax accountants and tax lawyers,
either. A huge group that exists solely because the current tax code
is far too complicated for most Americans to file their own reports.

Eliminating those jobs is exactly why Congress refuses to implement a
consumption tax, which would be far less abuse-prone than the current
system that relies exclusively on people's honesty. Too many of the
friends of Congressmen who donate piles of money to campaign funds
would be out of lucrative jobs.

THAT'S the American way, unfortunately.

Phil K

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 4/2/2007 11:34:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> rahosmer@... writes:
>
> Now, as to the percentage of people who actually DO report such
sales, I'd
> guess it is infinitesimal. I'd also guess that Uncle Sam has some
very
>
>
>
> Undoubtedly the SADDEST part of all of this, is that the IRS freely
admits
> they DO NOT collect as much Income Tax that is owed as the Income
Tax they
> actually collect. BILLIONS go unreported and uncollected every
year, since, as
> surely you realize, the IRS would have to WORK to collect it.
Those of us
> who do report and pay carry the weight for the rest. The American
way.
>
> Jim " being taxed off the Keystone Main" Lyle
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43879 From: bkweidner Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: New Train Forum
http://www.TheTrainForum.com

this new forum has a topic for just about any branch of model
railroading including S that you can think of.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43880 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 4/2/2007
Subject: Re: Spring S Spree '07
I enjoyed the photo of Stumpy's compact lay-out. A good idea! I see even Stumpy is getting into the act with "product placement". Must be on Pepsi's payroll!! :) :) Thanks for the photos and to Stumpy for getting out the "S" word!
Jim E.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43881 From: roy inman Date: 4/3/2007
Subject: Re: ebay and the IRS-and alternative
Off topic, I know, but since we are all captive to the system, and since it
impacts the ability of all of us to spend more on trains, get on board:

www.fairtax.com

Roy Inman

From: Phil K <waldootten@...>
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 03:01:27 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: ebay and the IRS




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43882 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/3/2007
Subject: SPEED
Finally the french have started to operate trains at real speeds...... I like mine to round the corners on two wheels!!!!! Not creep like a snail...... Now they
have a new record of almost 575 km / hr....

http://www.reuters.com/news/video/videoStory?videoId=47404


Watch it go under the overpass...... Next..... The SOUND BARRIER???? Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43883 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 4/3/2007
Subject: Re: transformers
All,

Many thanks to those who answered my 22090 transformer questions!

Dick Hosmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43884 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 4/3/2007
Subject: Not Train Related But -
Once again It's Great To Be A Florida Gator!

We now have the NCAA Football National Championship Trophy mounted
between consecutive NCAA Basketball National Championship Trophies.

Now I need to get started on my S-gauge National Championship Express
train!

BG1

University of Florida Class of 1977 & 1982
Group: S-Trains Message: 43885 From: Edward G. Date: 4/3/2007
Subject: Trains & The Trailer Park Boys...??????
These Guys known as the Trailer Park Boys ..happen to be in our fair
City ..Vancouver BC Canada,,Home of the Canucks ( who we hope are
going to win the Playoffs this year)...appearently on a book signing
tour were interviewed on the noon news today about Season 7 of the
show....I dont or havent watched any of their shows....maybe Im
missing something...because the one known as Bubbles....stated he is
into model Trains in a big way and that this seasons shows are going
to go bigger into the train thing ...Have I been missing
something ..?????...anyone watch this show...what Trains are the
sponsoring ...Im sure its the Big L...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43886 From: Phil K Date: 4/3/2007
Subject: Re: video of NS train 951 led by restored F units
Nice to see them out running. With I woulda/coulda been there.

Those F units were acquired from a railroad other than NW or Southern,
yes? Maybe KCS?

What is their history?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David A. Highfield" <davidh@...>
wrote:
>
> This video was shot 3/29 in Delaplane, VA.
>
> http://uncutvideo.aol.com/videos/5a84c7f736bf51cf8abfde7b3d6227c3?
index=0
>
> Dave in Westminster, MD
Group: S-Trains Message: 43887 From: Chris Date: 4/3/2007
Subject: From Google
French Train Hits 357 Mph, Breaks Record
A French train with a 25,000-horsepower engine and special wheels
broke the world...

There's a video. It's fast. Shot from the rear observation window is
astonishing. Being made for Chinese new hi-speed line. They're
jumping from steam to this!

And in our country they want to shut down passenger service.

Learn to speak Chinese. You're going to need it soon. Your model
trains already do!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43888 From: G-WOLFGANG5@JUNO.COM Date: 4/3/2007
Subject: Re: Booze and trains store
Years ago down in Washington (near Walter Reed) I ran across a
combination Gun and train store. All the clerks walked around armed.
Made it hard to negotiate prices....
Tom Hillery
Group: S-Trains Message: 43889 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/3/2007
Subject: Thank A Chicken!
My wife was on the eastern shore of MD last week for a business meeting, as she is from Salisbury, MD.

She picked up a local magazine on the area and there was a ad for www.thankachicken.com promoting the eating of what else, chickens, as the eastern shore is noted for chicken, produce and seafood from the Chesapeake Bay.

But on the ad, was a picture of a water tower by a RR track with "If You Can Read This, Thank A Chicken.". I am sure these message on the water tower was done by a photographer, as I think the nutritional value of the chicken is why you should thank a chicken, I guess.

If anyone wants a scan of this picture, send me a email off the list, as this might something to do to my AF water tower for the layout. LOL

Mike Marmer
Thank A Chicken Spokesperson

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43890 From: Tom Hawley Date: 4/3/2007
Subject: Re: SPEED
----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER
. . . . . . . they have a new record of almost 575 km / hr....
http://www.reuters.com/news/video/videoStory?videoId=47404
> > > > > > > > > .
If you were watching the trackwork very carefully at the beginning, you got
a split second view of a frog with a moving point, same principal as that
used in the current SHS turnout.

And you fellows with the EP-5s and GG-1s saw how your overhead wire should
be installed so it doesn't wear a groove in one spot on the pantograph.

Tom Hawley
Group: S-Trains Message: 43891 From: flyer_af Date: 4/3/2007
Subject: Buildup of Track Crud
Hi, all!
After a hiatus of almost 40 years, I'm getting back into
American Flyer trains. One problem I'm having is crud
building up on the track. I cleaned the original Flyer track
with a brass wire bristle brush to get the corrosion off, and
before running, I wipe it down with alcohol until the rag
comes up clean. However, when running my train, after
about an hour, the loco starts slowing down and the electrical
pickups spark badly. I then have to wipe the track down with
alcohol and the rag comes away with streaks as black as the
ace of spades. I then laboriously clean black crud off all the
wheels and electrical pickups. This only happens when I run
the train. Between runnings the track stays squeaky clean.
Has anybody else had this quick buildup of black crud on the
track? What causes it? What can be done?
Thanks,
Larry Harmon
Group: S-Trains Message: 43892 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 4/4/2007
Subject: Buildup of Crud - Part 2
Last night I was checking out a couple of steam engines I haven't run
in a long time and the pickup wheels were arcing a lot. Of course
they are pretty dirty. Before I start cleaning them I thought I would
ask the group for suggestions and recommendations for cleaning tender
pickup wheels. I'll try some of these and report the results back to
the group. Maybe we can come up with the optimum wheel cleaning
procedure!

Thanks for your input.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 43893 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/4/2007
Subject: Re: Booze and trains store
That store is now in Kensington, MD, known as Lionel Buy and Sell, as the gun shop is in the store.

It is own by Bill Printz, a TCA member.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: G-WOLFGANG5@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:09 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Booze and trains store


Years ago down in Washington (near Walter Reed) I ran across a
combination Gun and train store. All the clerks walked around armed.
Made it hard to negotiate prices....
Tom Hillery




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43894 From: Michael Lueck Date: 4/4/2007
Subject: Re: Buildup of Crud - Part 2
Bull_Gator_1 wrote:
> Maybe we can come up with the optimum wheel cleaning
> procedure!

I use a Dremel tool with a small wire brush.

Also I pop the wheels out and clean the copper pickup contacts again using the Dremel tool / wire brush.

The Dremel tool / wire brush also makes quick work of cleaning the wheels of cars. Does not make sense to take such care with the tender wheels leaving crud on the rest of the cars.

Blessings,
Michael
Group: S-Trains Message: 43895 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/4/2007
Subject: Check out eBay: American Flyer Train Set 20218 Nm-MIB Quality++++++
Am I missing something here? What made this set so valuable?

Harwood

_eBay: American Flyer Train Set 20218 Nm-MIB Quality+++++++ (item
220095903433 end time Apr-03-07 14:43:34 PDT)_
(http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Train-Set-20218-Nm-MIB-Quality_W0QQitemZ220095903433QQcategoryZ130QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewI
tem)
Group: S-Trains Message: 43896 From: John Degnan Date: 4/4/2007
Subject: 1/64 Scale Cars For Sale
1/64 Cars : Boxed (Unopened) $2.50 each


1970 Dodge Super Bee (Racing Champions - Mint)

1963 Chevy Impala SS (Ertl - American Muscle)

1971 Pontiac GTO (Johnny Lightning - Muscle Cars USA)

1969 Corvette L88 (Racing Champions - Corvette 50th Anniversary)

1965 Ford Galaxie (Route 66 - (Police Car))

196? Chevy Camaro SS (Matchbox - Superfast)

1965 Mustang GT (Matchbox - Superfast)

1957 Chevy Bel Air (Matchbox - Superfast)

1968 Mercury Cougar (Matchbox - Superfast)

196? Chevy Camaro Z28 (Matchbox - Superfast)

1967 Plymouth Fury (Route 66)

1969 Dodge Daytona (Route 66)

1962 Pontiac Catalina (Route 66) (1 of 2)

1962 Pontiac Catalina (Route 66) (2 of 2)

1970? Dodge Charger (Revell - Fast and Furious)

1968 Plymouth Police Car (Racing Champions - Gone In 60 Seconds)

197? Custom Corvette (Racing Champions - Junkman)

1969 Pontiac GTO (Racing Champions - Gone In 60 Seconds)

$45.00 Total Value

(Buy all of the above for $40.00)



1/64 Cars : (Opened) $1.50 each

1971 Buick GSX (Hot Wheels)

1971 Torino (Hot Wheels)

1969 Ford Cougar (Ertl)

1969 Mustang Mach 1 (Ertl)

196? Mustang Fastback (?) 1 of 2

196? Mustang Fastback (?) 2 of 2

197? Chevy ? (?)

196? Dodge Charger (Racing Champions - General Lee)

1980 Pontiac Bonneville (Ertl - Roscoe P. Coltrane's Hazzard Cnty. Police Car)

196? Pontiac GTO (Racing Champions)

196? Chevy Chevelle (?)

196? Ford Cougar (Ertl)

1937 Cord (Racing Champions)

196? Chevy Impala (Racing Champions)

1957 Chevy Nomad (Hot Wheels)

1941 Lincoln Continental (Racing Champions) 1 of 2

1941 Lincoln Continental (Racing Champions) 2 of 2

1940 Ford (Hot Wheels)

1963? Packard (?)

194? or 195? Lincoln ? (?) (Tan & White)

194? or 195? Lincoln ? (?) (Blue & Black)

195? Chevrolet ? (?)

1959 Cadillac (Racing Champions)

1958 Chevy Impala (?)

1957 Chevy 150 (Mattel)

1957 Chevy Bel Air (Racing Champions)

$39.00 Total Value

(Buy all of the above for $35.00)



1/64 Cars : (Open, Unidentified) $1.00 each

Six total cars - three possibly 1950s era, three 1960s era.

$6.00 Total Value

(Buy all of the above for $5.00)



... or...

Buy EVERYTHING for $70.00 (+ $7.00) for shipping

Contact me "OFF-LIST" @ Scaler164@... if interested.

Thanx!



John Degnan
Scaler164@...
P.O. Box 507
155 Zachary Trail
Ellabell, GA 31308
Home : (912) 858-3389
Work : (912) 447-8811



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43897 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/4/2007
Subject: Re: Check out eBay: American Flyer Train Set 20218 Nm-MIB Quality++
Harwood..... It went way too high for me.... Maybe they thought the Bakers was the hard one..... The 3 items of value were the Auto Transport, ( I have several still in factory paper), and the Bakers car,,,,,, Lasat week a 4904T set box sold for 67.66 and ib another auction The whole SET IN THE BOX WENT FOR 68.88..... Go figure..... Bob

Still want to know contents for set #134.... Have great box
----- Original Message -----
From: HOwingsiii@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 5:29 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Check out eBay: American Flyer Train Set 20218 Nm-MIB Quality+++++++ (item 22


Am I missing something here? What made this set so valuable?

Harwood

_eBay: American Flyer Train Set 20218 Nm-MIB Quality+++++++ (item
220095903433 end time Apr-03-07 14:43:34 PDT)_
(http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Train-Set-20218-Nm-MIB-Quality_W0QQitemZ220095903433QQcategoryZ130QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43898 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/4/2007
Subject: Re: Check out eBay: American Flyer Train Set 20218 Nm-MIB Quality++
I think the person selling this set got this price, possibly, because of the description, of the times in 1962 and it is possible, that a few got into a bidding war, because maybe they had this set as a kid.

I think you are going to see allot of this, as we baby boomers age.

I will give you a example.

I just traded in my 1987 Voyager Van,that I got in August of 1986, with 285,000 miles on it. The van, well taken care of by me, looks and runs better than most 2 year cars. I did not expect to get anything for this vehicle as they gave me $300, as I did not want to fool with selling it on my own, due to age and mileage.

The dealer is going to sell it for 1450, as a starting point, before someone makes a deal for it.

I was told they get calls all the time all over the country for vintage vehicles, because they had these as a kid or as a young adult and want to have these items again, whether my 20 year Voyager or this train set. So you have people buying these things for many reasons, some for prices we collectors can not figure out why, but to this person, who paid $900 for this set, he is quite happy, as to him or her, it means something, maybe from a earlier time.

Who knows.

But if you want to see my Van on line and how well it looks, go to www.autotrader.com and search Plymouth Voyager 1987, as there are about 6 vans from that year listed. Mine is the Bronze Wood trim at Tate in Frederick MD.

You will never believe we had this since 1986!

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; HOwingsiii@...
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Check out eBay: American Flyer Train Set 20218 Nm-MIB Quality+++++++ (item 22


Harwood..... It went way too high for me.... Maybe they thought the Bakers was the hard one..... The 3 items of value were the Auto Transport, ( I have several still in factory paper), and the Bakers car,,,,,, Lasat week a 4904T set box sold for 67.66 and ib another auction The whole SET IN THE BOX WENT FOR 68.88..... Go figure..... Bob

Still want to know contents for set #134.... Have great box
----- Original Message -----
From: HOwingsiii@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 5:29 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Check out eBay: American Flyer Train Set 20218 Nm-MIB Quality+++++++ (item 22

Am I missing something here? What made this set so valuable?

Harwood

_eBay: American Flyer Train Set 20218 Nm-MIB Quality+++++++ (item
220095903433 end time Apr-03-07 14:43:34 PDT)_
(http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Train-Set-20218-Nm-MIB-Quality_W0QQitemZ220095903433QQcategoryZ130QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43899 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/4/2007
Subject: Emailing: www.catsupbottle.com
http://www.catsupbottle.com/

Along with the Chicken water tower this might go good on the layout also as a water tower for the French Fries to go with the chicken.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43900 From: ER Date: 4/4/2007
Subject: 3 items for sale
I have the following items for sale.



1. S Helper Refer car Fruit Growers Express Double Stack car SHS
1016, FGEX 7055. $45 ($40 plus $5 Shipping USA)



2. Pennsylvania American Models GG1, Green 5 Stripe, This is an early
model with the 4932 number, AC-hirail , Kadee couplers , I probably can
find the Flyer compatible couplers if needed, Lightly used with a couple of
very small scratches. $215 ( $200 plus $15 ship USA.)



3. MRC Control Master 20 power center. This is one I bought as a
backup when my other one was in the shop. It is a bit noisy and vibrates
more than the other ,like fan vibration. Works great though. New are
$179.00 I will sell and ship (very heavy) this one to USA for $100. ($75
plus $25 ship)



4. Items are sold as-is, no refund. All have their original boxes and
inserts and are complete.



Eric Reis

Kenmore, Wa.

TCA, NASG since 86, Ebay over 500 transactions without a negative.



Cashiers check, Money order , paypal work, Thanks.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43901 From: Bill and Linda Lucas Date: 4/5/2007
Subject: Buildup of Crud - Part 2
I have had good luck using either: a Bright Boy, or denatured alcohol and a soft cotton rag piece or a piece of green scotch guard scrubing pad. Bill in Kennebunk
Group: S-Trains Message: 43902 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 4/5/2007
Subject: Re: Emailing: www.catsupbottle.com
I saw this catsup bottle water tower on a TV show about American
roadside landmarks from the 1950's and 1960's. I think it was on
the Discovery Channel or the Travel Channel last year sometime.
They showed a lot of attractions that would look good on a train
layout. If you notice it in your TV listings it's well worth the
time to watch it.

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer"
<mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
>
> http://www.catsupbottle.com/
>
> Along with the Chicken water tower this might go good on the
layout also as a water tower for the French Fries to go with the
chicken.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43903 From: Gill W. Lott Date: 4/5/2007
Subject: Chicken, fries, catsup & indigestion!!! a blatant add!!!!
To go along w/ the chicken, fries, catsup & things you need to come across the bay in July to the NASG National Convention being held in the shadow of the Bromo Seltzer Tower!!!!!!


http://members.tripod.com/m_eder/tower_clocks/index.album/bromo-seltzer-about-about-1976?i=3


Convention details can be found @ www.baafc.org .

Get your 'S' to Charm City!!!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43904 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 4/5/2007
Subject: OFF LIST: Lionel Engine Repair
Does anyone on this list either 1) know how to bypass
the e-unit on a Lionel spur gear drive steam
locomotive to directly test the motor (like we can do
easily on AF locos through the jack panel) or 2) refer
me to a website or someone who does know how to do
this?

Confounded frame ground spur gear Lionel motors!
@#$%^&&*%*#^&%$&$^*

Thanks,
Joe

Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613
404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338
Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer
Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers
American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line
joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored
Group: S-Trains Message: 43905 From: Phil K Date: 4/5/2007
Subject: Re: OFF LIST: Lionel Engine Repair
Try here:

http://www.trains.com/TRC/CS/forums/95/ShowForum.aspx

If you aren't registered, you'll have to do that... but you do not
need to be a subscriber or buy anything.

Trust me, someone there will know how to do this and get right back
to you.

Phil K

*****************************************************************

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...>
wrote:
>
> Does anyone on this list either 1) know how to bypass
> the e-unit on a Lionel spur gear drive steam
> locomotive to directly test the motor (like we can do
> easily on AF locos through the jack panel) or 2) refer
> me to a website or someone who does know how to do
> this?
>
> Confounded frame ground spur gear Lionel motors!
> @#$%^&&*%*#^&%$&$^*
>
> Thanks,
> Joe
>
> Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-
2613
> 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-
9338
> Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts
Dealer
> Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers
> American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase
Line
> joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43906 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 4/5/2007
Subject: Track diameter
Group,

I'm sure this has been asked before, and it IS a bit off-topic, but DOES
relate to 3/16" scale prewar AF: Does anyone KNOW definitively, where the
40" diameter is taken? Center? Outside? Inside?

Even when putting a circle of twelve sections together, it is possible to
"manipulate" it fairly close to all of the above dimensions. Am designing a
"quickie" layout for a limited space in our antique store as a prelude to a
proper one at my house, for which I will use Atlas track.

Many thanks.

Dick Hosmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43907 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 4/5/2007
Subject: Re: Buildup of Crud - Part 2
I use the Dremel with a wire brush as well. I've found turning the brush at a slight angle to the wheel causes a bit more friction and cleans better and still spins the wheel. I also use the Dremel/wire brush to rid wheels of the white "Flyer Mold". Takes it right off.
Jim Ensign

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43908 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 4/5/2007
Subject: Re: Track diameter
From my archived message number 25254 dated April 7, 2003:

Let us refer to "How to Build and Operate a Model Railroad" by
Marshall McClintock. The book states in several places that a circle
of S-gauge track has a diameter of 40 inches, radius of 20 inches.
Figure 19 on page 35 shows a radius of 20 inches - but to where?
Track centerline, outside track centerline, tie outside centerline??
This figure also shows a 3 1/2" roadbed with an outside radius of 20
inches. Assuming you mount the track in the middle of this roadbed,
the centerline track radius would be 18 1/4 inches and the outside
track centerline would be 18 3/4 inches. But measuring a completed
circle of track it appears the outside of tie radius (not outer track
radius) is right on 20 inches. So even McClintock appears to be
inconsistent.

So back to the reference books!

BG1

For even more comments on the track radius question, refer to the
archives in early 2003 to see other group members' comments on the
subject of AF track radius. It does make some very interesting
reading. You can also do a message search for "track radius" to
find all comments regarding this subject.


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hosmer <rahosmer@...> wrote:
>
> Group,
>
> I'm sure this has been asked before, and it IS a bit off-topic,
but DOES
> relate to 3/16" scale prewar AF: Does anyone KNOW definitively,
where the
> 40" diameter is taken? Center? Outside? Inside?
>
> Even when putting a circle of twelve sections together, it is
possible to
> "manipulate" it fairly close to all of the above dimensions. Am
designing a
> "quickie" layout for a limited space in our antique store as a
prelude to a
> proper one at my house, for which I will use Atlas track.
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Dick Hosmer
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43909 From: Donald Thompson Date: 4/6/2007
Subject: Re: S gaugers in Thailand
Dear Fellow S gaugers,
Robin and I are leaving for Thailand tomorrow to meet our son Ben's
in-laws. We will be back on Monday the 16th. When we get back, we will
be leaving for York TCA Train Show the next day. Our offices and
warehouse will still be open, but with a limited staff. Robin and I may
not be able to get online to answer e-mail while we are gone. I will be
turning my beloved Yahoo groups off for our trip. (I wish I could turn
off the spam too!).
Everyone have a nice Easter Holiday.
Best regards,
Don
Group: S-Trains Message: 43910 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 4/6/2007
Subject: Track diameter
In most scales, track radius, therefore diameter, is measured from
the centerline of the track. However, I have seen references to
American Flyer track being 19" radius and 20" radius. This is due to
where it's measured of course.
I build small portable layouts (and also "micro" layouts in On30)so
track radius is always a factor in planning. The layout I built for
this year's S Spree used standard radius S Helper Service sectional
track. The diameter actually measures 38" center to center of the
track, giving a radius of 19". It is 40" measuring outside the ends
of the ties, or 20" radius. I cut my base for this layout at 44"
across to allow a bit of space beyond the track for clearance, in case
I want to run a 4-8-4. The layout was 69" long, just under six feet.
I would think 42" to 44" would be enough space for the width of a
display layout using standard radius track.
Stumpy Stone...small layout guy in eastern Ahia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43911 From: Robert Graves Date: 4/6/2007
Subject: B&O Joins The Gilbert Gallery - a few Pictures needed
I have created a page for the Flyonel 2003 B&O Passenger Set:

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/Streamliner_Flyonel_BnO.html

Could someone who has the set please email me a picture of the whole set on the rails of your layout? Or laid out on a plain, light colored surface?

I also need individual pictures of each of the two cars in the 2-Pack.

Unfortunately, I lost track of where I got the picture of the Mikado engine. If you recognize this as yours, please let me know and I will give proper photo credit. If someone could send me a picture of your engine, I'd appreciate it; I'm trying to use only properly credited pictures on the site now.

By the way, I've recently added pages for lots of other passenger and freight sets, and am starting on accessories. If you haven't visited lately, stop by. It keeps growing!

As always, I would greatly appreciate any corrections and suggestions. Several of you have sent me helpful notes and I do appreciate it.

Thanks for your help.

Bob



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43912 From: Chris Date: 4/6/2007
Subject: Resolution of my case on e-Bay/Pay-Pal
A few days ago, I posted a warning against an e-Bay seller who never
sent me the SHS caboose I bought from her. Many of you sent me
messages including good ideas for settling it(and no, to that one
guy, I did not "go to her city, buy a shotgun and make the world and
e-Bay a better place for it", but thank you for the suggestion).

Pay Pal notified me today:
Dear Christopher Zizzo,

We have concluded our investigation into your case and have decided
in your favor.

We were able to recover $48.65 USD and this amount has been credited
to you. Please allow five business days for this adjustment to be
posted.

If you are due any additional funds, we will make our best effort to
recover the balance from the seller.

If the seller's account has insufficient funds to complete the
refund owed to you, please be assured that we will take appropriate
action against the seller's account, which may include limitation of
the seller's account privileges.

So, there we are. The system works. It is slow, exceeding slow in
fact, but, I got my money back.

CZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 43913 From: Chris Date: 4/7/2007
Subject: Re: u lost
I received a full refund of every dime. That boilerplate paragraph
about there not being enough money in the seller's account is
PayPal's way of saying that they will cover the refund even if the
money is not there and they will penalize the seller for me.

I have had excellent dealings on e-Bay and have bought many items
that I could not find elsewhere. It is an open marketplace, which
means it is subject to attack by the unscrupulous members of
society. So is any open marketplace.

You're right that some hassle is involved. What is your
alternative? Buy everything new in a hobby shop?
Buy only at train shows? OK, but your sources will be limited.
I've had 230+ transactions on e-Bay, of which only about 3 were
somewhat unsatisfactory. That's a pretty good record, with which I
am satisfied.
Frankly, I don't understand your anger. Are you angry at me or on
my behalf?

I'm aware that e-Bay and PayPal don't care about me. They're
corporations. Their responsibility is to live up to their
contractual obligations. As long as they do, I can deal with them.
There's really nothing here to foam at the mouth about.

Chris Zizzo

-----Original Message-----
From: notify@yahoogroups.com [mailto:notify@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of polpolk9
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 7:11 AM
To: Chris
Subject: u lost

u didnt win look at the hassle your going thru. u even lost as
your momey was & still is tied up. and paypal is telling you "If
the other
side has momey in their account you will be refunded> "IF" eGBAY
IS
FOR SUCKERS AND HERE TOO SHOWS YOUR BEING "USED" AGAIN> u SHOULD
CLEAN UP LIVOIMG IN N MAKE BELIEVE WORLD --pAY PAL DOES NOT GIVE A
SH_T ABOUT YOU OR YOUR MONEY--THEY WONT REPAY YOU & AND THEY ARE WHO
U WENT THRU PLUS YOU GOT THE ebay FEES.. U GOT ROBBED--SO DONT ALIBI
FOR PAYPAL-- ITS DISGUSTING TO SEE THAT AND WORSE YOU DEAL ON
EBAY!! SO THERE YOU GO!
Group: S-Trains Message: 43914 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/7/2007
Subject: ANIMATED TRACK GANGS......
THEY HAVE ARRIVED..... GOT MINE TODAY..... The contactor is for AF track..... Fits perfectly.... O people will have to modify it..... Really looks nice.... Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43915 From: srgriggs Date: 4/7/2007
Subject: AM switch/switch machine problem
I am in the process of wiring the switch machines on my S hirail
layout. I am using American Models 148 track and switches, with AM's
switch machines. One problem I am noticing is that the switch
machines provided by AM don't have enough force to fully lock the
switch in some instances. You can do it manually by moving the
slider, but some switches require noticeably more force to move the
slider that last 1/8" or so (which is where the locking action takes
place). It seems to be related to the "V" shaped spring that connects
the switch machine arm to the switch slider bar. When I remove the V
spring from the slider, the switch machine operates smoothly and does
not hange up. I think the solution may be to slightly enlarge the
hole that the V spring engages in on what I'll call the slider bar.
Anybody else have problems with these and how did you resolve?

Thanks for any advice.

Scott Griggs
Group: S-Trains Message: 43916 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 4/7/2007
Subject: Re: AM switch/switch machine problem
First thing to try is a dedicated 75 or more watt transformer with 18V
output.



_____

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of srgriggs
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 5:56 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] AM switch/switch machine problem



I am in the process of wiring the switch machines on my S hirail
layout. I am using American Models 148 track and switches, with AM's
switch machines. One problem I am noticing is that the switch
machines provided by AM don't have enough force to fully lock the
switch in some instances. You can do it manually by moving the
slider, but some switches require noticeably more force to move the
slider that last 1/8" or so (which is where the locking action takes
place). It seems to be related to the "V" shaped spring that connects
the switch machine arm to the switch slider bar. When I remove the V
spring from the slider, the switch machine operates smoothly and does
not hange up. I think the solution may be to slightly enlarge the
hole that the V spring engages in on what I'll call the slider bar.
Anybody else have problems with these and how did you resolve?

Thanks for any advice.

Scott Griggs





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43917 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 4/7/2007
Subject: Re: u lost
Chris,
You have gotten an E-Mail from a person that will berate everyone
on the list. A lot of others have gotten "STRANGE" E-Mail from polpolk9. He
has a few other names but I can't recall them right now.....Mike
PS: I too have had good results from E-Bay & Paypal on disputes



************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43918 From: Chris Date: 4/7/2007
Subject: Sorry to list members
I'm sorry for being a bit of a fool and allowing back door access to
this list for someone who has been banned, and apparently for good
reason.

I have received e-mails from polpolk9 in the past, mostly in
response to my e-bay posts. He seems to have a particular hatred
for e-Bay, though he has indicated, at times, that I should give up
my layout and trains and follow Jesus, or so it seemed. The man
never makes simple, clear cut arguments. Instead, he writes what
appear to be the written equivalents of yelling, inarticulate, mouth-
frothing diatribes intended to further his own, quite unclear agenda.

This is horribly sad. This man's name, as best we can determine, is
Jay Walsh. He monitors this mail-list regularly. That's how he
gets his information. This message is for Jay.

Dear Jay-
Your anger and somewhat incomprehensible e-mails are not getting you
any converts. Everyone who reads your rants, and they are rants,
thinks little of you, and your words diminish you. You have been
banned from posting here and elsewhere. Your tool is to reach
people by their personal e-mails. Your messages are incoherent,
misspelt, ungrammatical, and barely comprehensible at best. You
sound to me like a conspiracy theorist who finds all the faults in
the "system" and who is out to show everyone how they are making
horrid mistakes because they cannot or will not see that which is
obvious to you.

Give it up. You are right . . . and you are wrong. Some of us will
get horribly screwed. Others will make out like bandits. Your help
would be most appreciated if you simply offer what you know and then
let it go. People will either do it right or do it wrong. All us
wise guys can do is just give them the fruit of our experiences.
After that, they're on their own.

Can you please stop trying to be the expert who is too smart for all
of us fools and instead be one of the guys? There is still room for
you here if you can drop the know-it-all pose and instead use your
wealth of experience to help your friends, should they decide to
accept your help. And if they don't, well, you don't even need to
say "I told you so!" because, they'll know you were right.

Ours is a frustrating world. Sometimes it's a real head-banger
trying to get people to stop inventing the wheel and accept the
round, axle-bound object that we who came before have to offer.
Still, it's pretty funny sometimes watching them drag a heavy weight
through the mud. You need a sense of humor and a generous, giving
spirit. Give 'em what you can, and watch the results. That's all,
no more required.

Jay, this is a chance to wipe the slate clean. Think about it. Do
me a big favor. Don't send me a reply. Just think about it. Write
me in a month. When, and if you are ready, I'll do what I can to
get you back in. I think you may actually be an asset. It's up to
you. Nothing for a month, though. Don't write anybody until May.
Think. Spring is a new beginning.

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 43919 From: Chris Date: 4/8/2007
Subject: Mike Marmer's Car
I looked it up, Mike:

Tate's, Frederick MD
1987 Used Plymouth Voyager LE, Brown
Mileage 285,590
Price $3,280

I had one of these (same year Caravan, in Burgundy)
with 192,000 miles,
and I gave it away to charity, four years ago.
I only took a tax write-off of $1800!

I guess that's why you don't buy from used car dealers!

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 43920 From: Phil K Date: 4/8/2007
Subject: Re: Sorry to list members
Chris --

This person has no intentions of changing. He epitomizes the
words "shameless" and "curmudgeon".

He is in complete denial of being wrong-minded, and only gets worse
with more attention. He is an angry person and sprays his vitriol in every direction with no regard for anyone's feelings.

There is no room for him or his ilk here as he has already chased
away several good members.

Phil K

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--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <busyboy@...> wrote:
>
> I'm sorry for being a bit of a fool and allowing back door access
to
> this list for someone who has been banned, and apparently for good
> reason.
>
> I have received e-mails from polpolk9 in the past, mostly in
> response to my e-bay posts. He seems to have a particular hatred
> for e-Bay, though he has indicated, at times, that I should give up
> my layout and trains and follow Jesus, or so it seemed. The man
> never makes simple, clear cut arguments. Instead, he writes what
> appear to be the written equivalents of yelling, inarticulate,
mouth-
> frothing diatribes intended to further his own, quite unclear
agenda.
>
> This is horribly sad. This man's name, as best we can determine,
is
> Jay Walsh. He monitors this mail-list regularly. That's how he
> gets his information. This message is for Jay.
>
> Dear Jay-
> Your anger and somewhat incomprehensible e-mails are not getting
you
> any converts. Everyone who reads your rants, and they are rants,
> thinks little of you, and your words diminish you. You have been
> banned from posting here and elsewhere. Your tool is to reach
> people by their personal e-mails. Your messages are incoherent,
> misspelt, ungrammatical, and barely comprehensible at best. You
> sound to me like a conspiracy theorist who finds all the faults in
> the "system" and who is out to show everyone how they are making
> horrid mistakes because they cannot or will not see that which is
> obvious to you.
>
> Give it up. You are right . . . and you are wrong. Some of us
will
> get horribly screwed. Others will make out like bandits. Your
help
> would be most appreciated if you simply offer what you know and
then
> let it go. People will either do it right or do it wrong. All us
> wise guys can do is just give them the fruit of our experiences.
> After that, they're on their own.
>
> Can you please stop trying to be the expert who is too smart for
all
> of us fools and instead be one of the guys? There is still room
for
> you here if you can drop the know-it-all pose and instead use your
> wealth of experience to help your friends, should they decide to
> accept your help. And if they don't, well, you don't even need to
> say "I told you so!" because, they'll know you were right.
>
> Ours is a frustrating world. Sometimes it's a real head-banger
> trying to get people to stop inventing the wheel and accept the
> round, axle-bound object that we who came before have to offer.
> Still, it's pretty funny sometimes watching them drag a heavy
weight
> through the mud. You need a sense of humor and a generous, giving
> spirit. Give 'em what you can, and watch the results. That's all,
> no more required.
>
> Jay, this is a chance to wipe the slate clean. Think about it. Do
> me a big favor. Don't send me a reply. Just think about it.
Write
> me in a month. When, and if you are ready, I'll do what I can to
> get you back in. I think you may actually be an asset. It's up to
> you. Nothing for a month, though. Don't write anybody until May.
> Think. Spring is a new beginning.
>
> Chris Zizzo
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43921 From: Wayne Zebron Date: 4/8/2007
Subject: crossover
Hi Group

I am planning to rebuild my layout and would like to include a crossover. I have several 90 degree crossovers, but would like to include an 45 or 30 degree. I am using Gargraves track and American Flyer switches. Any help out there?

Thanks in advance,

Wayne


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43922 From: Michael Lueck Date: 4/8/2007
Subject: Re: crossover
Wayne Zebron wrote:
> I am using Gargraves track and American Flyer switches.

That means you run hollow rail vs solid rail. The only vendor that I can think of with diamonds not at 90' is American Models which is solid rail.

Oh... there is Thomas Stoltz, but he too works with solid rail. One plus is that he works with wood ties... so I guess you best contact him. Possibly he will have a suggestion of how to mate Gargraves
track with one of his diamonds. Let me know if you need an email address and I will send the last known address I have for him. I think, too, that somewhere in the S-Trains Gallery was examples of his
work... I just can not remember if it was the first or second Gallery.

Blessings,
Michael
Group: S-Trains Message: 43923 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/8/2007
Subject: Re: Sorry to list members
Chris,

I too, have been a victim of his emails, as he is reading these somehow.

They are like Dr. Jeckle and Mr. Hyde, as one time he wants to do repair work for me and then he is berating me for some silly reason.

Just ignore them.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil K
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 11:03 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Sorry to list members


Chris --

This person has no intentions of changing. He epitomizes the
words "shameless" and "curmudgeon".

He is in complete denial of being wrong-minded, and only gets worse
with more attention. He is an angry person and sprays his vitriol in every direction with no regard for anyone's feelings.

There is no room for him or his ilk here as he has already chased
away several good members.

Phil K

******************************************************************

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <busyboy@...> wrote:
>
> I'm sorry for being a bit of a fool and allowing back door access
to
> this list for someone who has been banned, and apparently for good
> reason.
>
> I have received e-mails from polpolk9 in the past, mostly in
> response to my e-bay posts. He seems to have a particular hatred
> for e-Bay, though he has indicated, at times, that I should give up
> my layout and trains and follow Jesus, or so it seemed. The man
> never makes simple, clear cut arguments. Instead, he writes what
> appear to be the written equivalents of yelling, inarticulate,
mouth-
> frothing diatribes intended to further his own, quite unclear
agenda.
>
> This is horribly sad. This man's name, as best we can determine,
is
> Jay Walsh. He monitors this mail-list regularly. That's how he
> gets his information. This message is for Jay.
>
> Dear Jay-
> Your anger and somewhat incomprehensible e-mails are not getting
you
> any converts. Everyone who reads your rants, and they are rants,
> thinks little of you, and your words diminish you. You have been
> banned from posting here and elsewhere. Your tool is to reach
> people by their personal e-mails. Your messages are incoherent,
> misspelt, ungrammatical, and barely comprehensible at best. You
> sound to me like a conspiracy theorist who finds all the faults in
> the "system" and who is out to show everyone how they are making
> horrid mistakes because they cannot or will not see that which is
> obvious to you.
>
> Give it up. You are right . . . and you are wrong. Some of us
will
> get horribly screwed. Others will make out like bandits. Your
help
> would be most appreciated if you simply offer what you know and
then
> let it go. People will either do it right or do it wrong. All us
> wise guys can do is just give them the fruit of our experiences.
> After that, they're on their own.
>
> Can you please stop trying to be the expert who is too smart for
all
> of us fools and instead be one of the guys? There is still room
for
> you here if you can drop the know-it-all pose and instead use your
> wealth of experience to help your friends, should they decide to
> accept your help. And if they don't, well, you don't even need to
> say "I told you so!" because, they'll know you were right.
>
> Ours is a frustrating world. Sometimes it's a real head-banger
> trying to get people to stop inventing the wheel and accept the
> round, axle-bound object that we who came before have to offer.
> Still, it's pretty funny sometimes watching them drag a heavy
weight
> through the mud. You need a sense of humor and a generous, giving
> spirit. Give 'em what you can, and watch the results. That's all,
> no more required.
>
> Jay, this is a chance to wipe the slate clean. Think about it. Do
> me a big favor. Don't send me a reply. Just think about it.
Write
> me in a month. When, and if you are ready, I'll do what I can to
> get you back in. I think you may actually be an asset. It's up to
> you. Nothing for a month, though. Don't write anybody until May.
> Think. Spring is a new beginning.
>
> Chris Zizzo
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43924 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/8/2007
Subject: Re: Mike Marmer's Car
Hi Chris,

That is what I was trying to point out, someone who is crazy enough to spent about a 1000 on a trainset that is worth about 300 to us, is crazy enough to spend 3300 on a twenty year car. Someone has to be real crazy to do that!

You, I and probably just about everyone reading this, would never spend that kind of money on a 20 year old car with 285,000, but someone will.

On the way home today from Hagerstown, MD from a baseball game to Germantown, we stopped in Frederick, MD for dinner and the van is gone, sold I am sure, it went for less that 3300.

The reason why the dealer marked it up high, is that they knew the history of this vehicle, as if you saw the pictures, the vehicle looks and runs better than most 5 year old cars, as just about everything on it has been replaced, as the new engine only had 90,000 miles on it. Even the AC has all new compressor, evaporator, hoses, on it. New radiator, axles, muffler, cat. converter, belts, hoses including heater hoses, tuned, rebuilt trans at 165,000 and so on. No rust, as the car has rust proofing, paint and fabric protection from Ziebart. But still, I sure would not spend that much on a used 20 plus years vehicle.

But since the car was so old, I did not want to fool with trying to sell, as I am satisfied with what they gave me for it, as if you saw the pictures of it on Autotrader, you must admit it looks wonderful. But parts are becoming a issue, as it has a carburetor on it, that engine on it is not the best, as I am told that my original one that lasted to 191,000 was amazing. It was time to sell it and good for the dealer if someone was that foolish to pay 3300 for it, like the person who won that train set for 1000. But to those people who got these things, they are quite happy. But there are some major things still on it, that would cost over a grand to fix, should they start to go. It was time to sell, as we got our monies worth out of it, but someone out there might buy it for the same reason a train set worth 300 sold for a 1000.

And I don't think any organization would take this vehicle since it so old, as the tax law for donation are now different, I believe. I am not sure exactly what the new law is, but I believe you can not state any value, as I think it has to be the amount the organization sold it for.

However, a 1800 dollar deduction on taxes does not mean you get 1800 dollars back on a refund check. Looking at the tax tables, the amount in one's favor from 50,000 to 51,800 is 270 dollars, as I did get more that 270 from the dealer, as my vehicle is now 4 years older and more miles then when you did your deduction, just to let all know.

Anyway, again, the reason I mentioned my old vehicle, is that people buy old things at strange prices for strange reasons, that is fine with them. You and I would not do that, but someone else is willing.

Go figure. O:)!

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 4:17 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Mike Marmer's Car


I looked it up, Mike:

Tate's, Frederick MD
1987 Used Plymouth Voyager LE, Brown
Mileage 285,590
Price $3,280

I had one of these (same year Caravan, in Burgundy)
with 192,000 miles,
and I gave it away to charity, four years ago.
I only took a tax write-off of $1800!

I guess that's why you don't buy from used car dealers!

Chris Zizzo





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43925 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 4/9/2007
Subject: Re: crossover
Frinds in S!

Hollow vs solid rail shouldn't be a problem. SHS offers a track adapter pin
to connect solid track to AF type tracks. Although dsigned for the SHS code
125 solid rail, a bit of filing should get rid of the 23/1000th extra rail
on the AM track. I don't know what code Tom is using, but if it is Code
100, a 25/1000th shim should align the railheads nicely. The flange ways on
the crossovers may need a bit of work - depending on what hi-rail wheels you
are using.

Here is the listing from the SHS website:

00393
AF track adapter
Flex or sectional track 12/pkg. Available
$4.95



ENJOY!

Keep in touch!

Don Munsey, Jr.
dmunseyjr@...
Sn42 and Hn42 river logging fan
Virginian Rwy fan
Bonsai grasshopper
Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@...>
To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] crossover


> Wayne Zebron wrote:
> > I am using Gargraves track and American Flyer switches.
>
> That means you run hollow rail vs solid rail. The only vendor that I can
> think of with diamonds not at 90' is American Models which is solid rail.
>
> Oh... there is Thomas Stoltz, but he too works with solid rail. One plus
> is that he works with wood ties... so I guess you best contact him.
> Possibly he will have a suggestion of how to mate Gargraves
> track with one of his diamonds. Let me know if you need an email address
> and I will send the last known address I have for him. I think, too, that
> somewhere in the S-Trains Gallery was examples of his
> work... I just can not remember if it was the first or second Gallery.
>
> Blessings,
> Michael
Group: S-Trains Message: 43926 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 4/9/2007
Subject: Re: crossover
Wayne;

Ok, I'm being radical again, not the first time. I have made several
custom angle crossovers with standard AFG high rail track, 3 of them
using curved track where I have a reverse loop that crosses my main
yard area.

If you don't mind experimenting a bit, and forever altering a couple
pieces of track, it's really not that hard. It would be more
difficult with Cargraves I think, but it may work even with that.

What I use is a dremel tool with a cut off disk. I carefully lay out
where I want the finished crossover to be, and position the donors
over each other, mark off the cut zones with a fine point felt tip.
Then (with AF track this is pretty easy) cut the rails down to the
flat parts at the bottom, such that the tracks can be put in position
over each other and the angles are correct. I mate the pieces by
using standard AF track tie insulators to keep the tracks
electrically isolated.

To keep the rail tops level with each other I do this: get a small
piece of pine, cut so the tracks will lay on it without interference
from ties, use any sort of square ended blunt steel for a punch, tap
each flat rail of the bottom piece at the crossing point down into
the pine. (I use a 1/4 in socket extender for my "punch") The rail
will deform just like the original AF crossings have been deformed,
so the rails on the bottom allow clearance for the insulator and the
top track, with the rail height ending up the same on both pieces.
The soft pine keeps things from getting out of hand, provides a
backup for the rail. A couple taps is all it takes on each rail, put
the insulator in place, check for goodness, repeat till you have it.
Then you can put the cross over in place, you can tack the ties down,
or you can reinforce the back with some light ply, several ways you
can reinforce so it holds in place well without the rails going out
of control. With a Cargraves section, you may be able to cut down to
where you might have clearance for both rails, dunno for sure on
that, that track does go down quite a ways into the cross ties, seems
like.

I've played with several methods to smooth the crossing action. My
curved crossings are the most challenging, I use hot melt glue to
form a crossing guide in the center, as Gilbert used the hard
plastic. On straight crossings you can play with it, they can be
pretty good with no center guide. I use small balsa sticks to go on
the inside of the rails, at just the height the wheels will roll over
them as they navigate over the open areas of the rail crossing,
again, the same way trucks roll over a Gilbert 90. Use a cranky old
engine as a worst case, carefully run it across several times and use
the cut off wheel to open up any places the wheel flanges tend to
contact until you've got it. If you want you can put hot melt into
the places the rails come together at the joins, sort of like Gilbert
does on the standard AF 90 degree crossings, or you can leave them
open.

I have a set of 3 varying angle curved crossings that take my main
yard entry down the center of a reverse loop, they cross the loop
circle and head into the gathering area. Even my 2 cranky old 4-8-
4's can navigate across there. The newer engines have no trouble at
all, I have to slow the 4-8-4's down a bit to avoid embarrassment.

Just a thought.

phil d

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Zebron <zebbie61354@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Group
>
> I am planning to rebuild my layout and would like to include a
crossover. I have several 90 degree crossovers, but would like to
include an 45 or 30 degree. I am using Gargraves track and American
Flyer switches. Any help out there?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Wayne
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time
> with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43927 From: Tim Brown Date: 4/9/2007
Subject: My new layout
Hello everyone. After a hiatus, I am back and have created an album of
my current layout in the Photos section, under Tim Brown Layout. It's
a 12X32 layout with the traditional mountains, bridges, etc. What is
maybe a bit unusual is that all the curved vintage track is rebent to
about a 54" diameter, all the switches have been cut down and wired
from underneath, there is extensive use of Erector and I custom made a
30 degree crossing. Most of the rolling stock is repainted back to
classic. All the link cars have been re-trucked to knuckle. All of
the knuckles have be glued closed. All the loci have been re-motored
to cans and their tenders re-trucked to knuckle. I use three G-gauge
power packs, one per mainline. The lower two mainlines are long,
simple loops around the table with long straigh sections and sidings.
ML#1 is automated with track trips, relays and Flyer switches I rigged
to act as "latch relays". Mainline #3 is double-elevated. It is point-
to-point and is automated using trips, relays and Flyer switches to act
as "latch relays" and for polarity reversing. There are two LARGE
reverse loops on it to make double use of one 2% grade.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43928 From: RCESpeak Date: 4/9/2007
Subject: York Arrangements
Hello Fellow Yorkies,

<>It’s time to put the finishing touches on your York plans and here is a
menu from which to choose:

04/16 Monday

<>I am aware of only two train venues open this day and they will be a
good ones:
The Reliance Fire Hall and Springettsbury Fire Company. The Reliance is
located at 1341 W. Market Street and Springettsbury can be found at 3013
E. Market St. Both are open from 8:00 am to 6:00 pm. Springettsbury can
be reached by taking Rt. 83 South to the Market St. exit. Go East on
Market. The Fire Hall is after Memory Lane but before Mt Zion Rd. on
your left.

An informal dinner is scheduled at the Round-The-Clock Diner at 7:00 for
those who have arrived early to York.

04/17 Tuesday

All bandit meets are open this day. For the newbies attending their first

<>York, the bandit meets are at the Reliance Fire Hall, Springettsbury
Fire Hall, the Holiday Inn on Carlisle north of Rt. 30 (Holidome), the
Holiday Inn on the south side of Rt. 30 just East of I 83 (Billy Budd)
and the Best Western parking lot on the north side of Rt. 30 behind Ruby
Tuesdays. <>Dinner this evening is at Hoss’s Steak House, 2175 White
Street at 7:00.
Phone is (717) 854-2966. Take Rt. 30 West to Carlisle. At the end of the
exit ramp, turn left. At the next light turn right onto White St. Hoss’s
will be on your right about a quarter of a mile.

04/18 Wednesday

<>This is a big day with lots happening. The bandit meets are open. The
National Toy Train Museum has its open house from 10:00 AM - 6:00 PM.
There is a detailed schedule of events as well as driving directions in
your TCA York newsletter on page 9. <>

We have reservations at Alexander’s at 6:30 PM. It is located at 840
Carlisle Rd. (717) 846-1041. At the Carlisle exit off Rt. 30, turn left
at the light at the end of the exit ramp. Alexander’s is on the right
about a half of a mile up the road.

04/19 Thursday

<> The bandit meets are closed and this is the first day at the
Fairgrounds. It opens at noon. Member halls close at 5:30 PM and dealer
halls close at 7:00 PM. <>

The Gilbert Get Together this year starts at 8:30 PM. And will be held
at the Reliance Fire Hall. This new location worked out great in October
so be there early to ensure getting a seat. This is our “S”
show-and-tell so bring your Flyer treasures. There will be an S-Trains
photo op as a group immediately following the event. <>

Because of the staggered closing times at the Fairgrounds and the
Gilbert Get Together, there are no dinner reservations this evening. So
you are on your own. <>There is also an open house of the Glen Rock Fire
Department layouts from 7:00 PM to 9:00 PM. They have 4 layouts
including a 16’ x 32’ American Flyer layout that is reported to be
wonderful. The layouts are located in the library building at 32 Main
St., Glen Rock, PA. This is a 15 minute ride from the Fairgrounds south
on Rt. 83. You can get directions from the web site at
http://www.grfd.org <http://www.grfd.org/>

04/20 Friday

<>On Friday the halls open at 9:00 AM and again have staggered closings
of 5:30 PM for member halls and 7:00 PM for dealer halls.

<>Our dinner is scheduled for 7:00 PM at the Olive Garden at 1340
Kenneth Rd. (717) 845-2264. Kenneth Rd. is about 1 ½ miles West of I 83.
There is a light at the intersection of Rt. 30 and Kenneth Rd. Turn left
onto Kenneth Rd. and the Olive Garden in on your right. Since they do
not take reservations (although they know we are arriving), I will
arrive at 6:00 PM to set us up. As is now becoming customary, anyone
wishing to get there a bit early for dinner can join me at the
restaurant's watering hole while we wait for our table.

04/21 Saturday

<>No scheduled activities for Saturday except for trains. The halls at
the Fairgrounds open at 9:00 AM and close at 2:00 PM.
So there is the schedule. PLease try to join us at as many of the events
as you can. We have such fun and it is always nice to meet new as well
as returning members of the list.

<> <>Remember no cameras nor cell phones are allowed to be used in the
halls. If this is your first York experience, I recommend reading Clem
Clement’s York primer. www.tcamembers.org/articles/tca/primer/index.html

Also, don't forget to wear your S-Trains badge as well as your York badge.

It can be found at: http://trainweb.org/s-trains/badge/s_badge.htm or the

one Chris Zizzo created at: http://www.freewebs.com/busyboy
<http://www.freewebs.com/busyboy.>

<>One last item. You can check out the forecasted weather for York by
going to www.weather.com and typing in the zip code of 17404. But no
matter what they say, bring a warm sweater or jacket.

Safe travels and see ya’ll at York. .... Barb
Group: S-Trains Message: 43929 From: RCESpeak Date: 4/9/2007
Subject: York Arrangements
Thank you, Jerry. I also made a slight error in the hours the
fire halls will be open. I said from 8:00 to 6:00 and it is 9:00 am
to 6:00 pm.

See you all next week.... Barb
Group: S-Trains Message: 43930 From: lvtrainmeet Date: 4/9/2007
Subject: Nice train Meet in Allentown Pa this weekend
Just wanted to let everyone know that there is a nice train meet this
weekend at Merchants Square Mall 1901 S 12th St Allentown Pa 18103
April 15th from 10Am-3Pm. Over 10,000 square feet of model and toy
trains.Lots of American Flyer for sale For more info visit
www.lehighvalleytrainmeet.com. See you there Kevin R Allentown Pa
Group: S-Trains Message: 43931 From: Tim Brown Date: 4/10/2007
Subject: Latch relays
There appears to be an interest in my term "latch relay". A latch
relay is that type of relay that either opens or closes a circuit and
keeps it that way until it's reversed - unlike a simple relay that
opens/closes
a circuit only while the coil is energized. To my way of thinking, a
vintage Flyer switch is a kind of latch relay. I use them mounted
upside down under my train table. They are energized one way or
another by use of a Gilbert five-digit electric track trip. The
circuit I wish to open or close is run through the rails and the
Flyer switch either completes the circuit when thrown one way, or
opens the circuit when thrown the other way. Thus, one track trip
can say, close a circuit and lower a crossing gate; another track
trip further down the track can then open the circuit and raise the
crossing gate. The nice thing is that there is, of course, only
momentary energy to the switch coil, but since the circuit remains
closed, the crossing gate arm comes down and stays down without the
customary bouncing. This, in my opinion, makes a Flyer switch usable
as a SPDT electrical switch. By wiring two Flyer switches in
parallel, a DPDT electrical switch can be created. I use this scheme
to reverse polarity on my mainline while a train is going through a
reverse loop. The Flyer switches are robust and the electrical
contacts are
spaced far apart enough that there is no arcing. Previously, I went
through about a dozen Atlas Snap Relays until I hit on this idea. In
my case, a Gilbert automatic reverse loop device is useless, since it
won't function on DC and the Atlas Snap Relays are not robust enough
for my use. Questions?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43932 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 4/10/2007
Subject: Fwd: [Lionel_PostwarTrains] Girls Train Set sold for 18 G's
It's a shame that we weren't female and into pastel "L"......Fred



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43933 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/10/2007
Subject: Re: My new layout
Hi Tim,



Very nice work and photos. Is there a way for you to get an overhead shot or
to somehow provide a track plan? It is clear you have a solid control of the
track process. I would like to see and hear more about this layout and your
techniques for track adjustment and fabrication.



Thanks,

Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Tim Brown
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:04 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] My new layout



Hello everyone. After a hiatus, I am back and have created an album of
my current layout in the Photos section, under Tim Brown Layout. It's
a 12X32 layout with the traditional mountains, bridges, etc. What is
maybe a bit unusual is that all the curved vintage track is rebent to
about a 54" diameter, all the switches have been cut down and wired
from underneath, there is extensive use of Erector and I custom made a
30 degree crossing. Most of the rolling stock is repainted back to
classic. All the link cars have been re-trucked to knuckle. All of
the knuckles have be glued closed. All the loci have been re-motored
to cans and their tenders re-trucked to knuckle. I use three G-gauge
power packs, one per mainline. The lower two mainlines are long,
simple loops around the table with long straigh sections and sidings.
ML#1 is automated with track trips, relays and Flyer switches I rigged
to act as "latch relays". Mainline #3 is double-elevated. It is point-
to-point and is automated using trips, relays and Flyer switches to act
as "latch relays" and for polarity reversing. There are two LARGE
reverse loops on it to make double use of one 2% grade.

,_._,___



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43934 From: Carl Date: 4/10/2007
Subject: Latching relays etc.
It occured to me reading some of the messages, that track and
accessory control could be done by using small magnets on the loco or
other cars to operate reed switches (used in alarms) or hall effect
switches located in the track. The circuits are simple and
inexpensive. Automatic switching of loops, operation of crossing gates
and lamps etc. could be easily done. I'm sure somebody is already
doing this but I thought I would bring it up for discussion. Good day
to all. Carl
Group: S-Trains Message: 43935 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 4/10/2007
Subject: SET LIKE NEW
Really nice American Flyer set.

From: "Martin Derouin" <ch00ch005der@...>
Here is my set up for sale on Ebay!!

http://cgi.ebay.com:80/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:11&item=140106107730

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43936 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 4/10/2007
Subject: Fwd: [Lionel_PostwarTrains] Girls Train Set sold for 18 G's
Sorry., didn't properly send the details....Fred



From the "Auction Action News," April 11, 2007:

-------------------------------
LIONEL TRAN SET "IN THE PINK" SELLS FOR $18,000 AT PAUL AUCTION

On Sunday, March 25, 2007, Mike Paul, owner of Paul Auction Co., Kewauskum,
WI sold the Holy Grail of Lionel Trains. A factory sealed, boxed set of the
1957 girls pink train set.

Opening at $2,000, the bids flew by $1,000 increments until the set was
gaveled down at $18,000.

The set was unsold merchandise from the former Toy World Store in West Bend,
Wisconsin, where it remained unsold after 10 years on the shelf. When the
store owners retired in 1967 they took the set with them and put it on a
shelf in their Northwood's cottage where it sat for another 40 years.

Ironically, the set which was auctioned by Paul Auction Company, was
purchased by a train store owner from West Bend after having been pushed
hard by another Wisconsin buyer and a man who flew in from Washington state,
who had cancelled his ski trip vacation to be at the auction on March 25th.
-------------------------------
Group: S-Trains Message: 43937 From: Edward G. Date: 4/11/2007
Subject: Something "NEW"...
Well isnt it Nice...the new Track Gangs finally arrived and within
mins. the more unscupulous Train people start popping out of the wood
work...Its amazing how some can even sleep or look at themselves in
the mirror....when they RIP the unknowing members of the S community
off..by Overcharging them 300+ for something the Good guys will sell
for 89 bucks BIN...with Retorick like Oh there in very limited
supply ...and Not Very many made ...Only a few available....I hope the
ones getting taken make note of the names of these e bayers and pass
it around for future referrance...Once ripped off .Twice shy.. Thank
Goodness I deal with one of the GOOD GUYS...
Group: S-Trains Message: 43938 From: Tim Brown Date: 4/11/2007
Subject: Track bending
As a reply to Bill Porter and others who may find this a topic of
interest:
There are a variety of ways to rebend curved track - most of which
have been covered in this forum in the past. The method I have
developed is to first loosen all the ties (I don't remove them), then
I just turn the track upside down and squeeze each rail in my big
shop vice, working down the length of each rail. The steel in the
rails has a lot of spring to it, so if I do that process twice per
rail (alternating rails), it straightens out to about a 54 inch
radius pretty much every time. Then I retighten the ties and square
off the rail ends. You'll know you're geing pretty good at it when
you always have to cut off about the same amount to square off the
rail ends. Ususally I spray paint the track flat black and wipe off
the tops of the rails. I do this in long segments of assembled
track - about 7 or 8 lengths at a time. I solder every rail joint
before the spray painting. To rebend curves at greater than a 54
inch diameter, I do the above straightening process first, then pull
the rails straighter by hand, being careful to preserve the gauge.
There seems to be a limit, depending on the desired radius, as to
whether it's easier to straighten curved track straighter or bend
straight track to a curve. IOW, if a radius of about 60-some inches
is desired, it may be easier to bend straight track, rather than
fight with the curved. My preference is, of course, to rebend curved
track because it's cheaper; 50 cents or less a section, compared to
$2 or so per section of straight.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43939 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 4/11/2007
Subject: Something new.
Drove 20 miles to a local hobbyshop in Arlington, Texas I live in Fort
Worth and to my suprise they had 1 on the shelf. the only problem is
they had only 2 other AF cars 1 caboose and 1 searchlight car. That
is my biggest beaf down here. the hobby shop is Hobby town U.S.A. I
may go back and get it so they will know that the market is there and
start stocking more. I have a hobby shop within walking distance HO
and N gauge but she said she would order what I needed YEA. Checked e-
bay and found 4 track gangs .couldn't tell if they were original or
flonel , but they were there any way.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43940 From: tedcanflyer Date: 4/11/2007
Subject: repro AF brakeman and Colber tower repairman
Super layout Tim! great pics.

Hi gang,
Does anyone in the group know where I could get a repro American Flyer
brakeman w/lantern that hangs on the back of a Flyer caboose. I
am also looking for a repro Colber tower repairman. Any help is greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,
Ted

PS I am looking forward to hear about York from those able to go and
especially about all of the goodies they were able to pick-up.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43941 From: kenwoodies1 Date: 4/12/2007
Subject: Re: Something "NEW"...
Edward G, I don't understand why you're ripping the seller of the
track gang on ebay. It was the two bidders who drove the price up
over $300. Why is the seller unscrupulous? Also, this is the exact
quote from the seller,"I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS BUT I DOUBT
THEY MADE VERY MANY. THEY DON'T MAKE "VERY MANY" OF ANYTHING IN
FLYER." This is basically a true statement as most of the Flyer
produced these days is not made in large numbers. I think your anger
is misplaced. Jim Duncan
Group: S-Trains Message: 43942 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 4/12/2007
Subject: Re: repro AF brakeman and Colber tower repairman
Ted -
Doug at Portlines Hobby has the repro brakeman for the 977 caboose. Go to his website and click on "AM. FLYER PARTS" . That will take you to a chart of various parts. Click on "PEOPLE". He lists repros of just about every figure you can think of. Plus, Doug's good to work with. You will find his website at: http://www.portlines.com

Jim Ensign

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From: "tedcanflyer" <rturczak@...>
Super layout Tim! great pics.

Hi gang,
Does anyone in the group know where I could get a repro American Flyer
brakeman w/lantern that hangs on the back of a Flyer caboose. I
am also looking for a repro Colber tower repairman. Any help is greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,
Ted

PS I am looking forward to hear about York from those able to go and
especially about all of the goodies they were able to pick-up.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 43943 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 4/12/2007
Subject: Re: Something "NEW"...
eBay is an interesting place - you see all kinds of odd bidder
behavior. Two guys bid up the track gang to well over $300 when all
either had to do was look at the listings and they would have found
several track gangs with a Buy-It-Now price of $89. The seller
clearly listed it as a reproduction with the new Lionel part number.
You can't fault the seller because two uninformed bidders got into a
bidding war.

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> wrote:
>
> Well isnt it Nice...the new Track Gangs finally arrived and within
> mins. the more unscupulous Train people start popping out of the
wood
> work...Its amazing how some can even sleep or look at themselves in
> the mirror....when they RIP the unknowing members of the S community
> off..by Overcharging them 300+ for something the Good guys will sell
> for 89 bucks BIN...with Retorick like Oh there in very limited
> supply ...and Not Very many made ...Only a few available....I hope
the
> ones getting taken make note of the names of these e bayers and pass
> it around for future referrance...Once ripped off .Twice shy.. Thank
> Goodness I deal with one of the GOOD GUYS...
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43944 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/12/2007
Subject: YORK WEATHER FORECAST
FORCAST FOR THE NEXT 10 DAYS...... BOB

Today

Mostly Sunny
52º/25º Wednesday

Mostly Cloudy
46º/35º Thursday

Showers
50º/34º Friday

Partly Sunny
57º/37º Saturday

Mostly Cloudy
62º/47º

Sunday

Partly Sunny
58º/33º Monday

Mostly Sunny
54º/30º Tuesday

Rain
54º/31º Wednesday

Hazy Sunshine
56º/30º Thursday

Partly Sunny
56º/30º


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43945 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/12/2007
Subject: forecast sunday thru wed
Note poss snow sunday..... Bob

Sunday. Rain likely. Highs in the lower 40s. Chance of rain
70 percent.

Sunday night. Snow or rain likely. Light accumulation
possible. Lows in the mid 30s. Chance of precipitation 70 percent.

Monday. Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain or snow showers.
Breezy with highs in the mid 40s. Chance of snow 30 percent.

Monday night. Mostly cloudy and breezy. Lows in the upper 30s.

Tuesday. Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 50s.

Tuesday night. Partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 40s.

Wednesday. Mostly sunny. Highs around 60.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43946 From: Tim Brown Date: 4/12/2007
Subject: TMCC/DCC
Here's a question I've never seen addressed in this forum: If I
convert to TMCC or DCC, will I be able to integrate my own 10-amp DC
power packs into their digital command system or must I use a
proprietary power source pre-packaged with either system?
Group: S-Trains Message: 43947 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/12/2007
Subject: Re: Something new.
The greatest difference there is in the new Flyionel Trackgang set and the
original is the tool box. The original tollbox is red, lionel's version has a
yellow toolbox.

Harwood



************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43948 From: George Cohn Date: 4/12/2007
Subject: Re: Something "NEW"...
Bull_Gator_1 wrote:
>
>
> eBay is an interesting place - you see all kinds of odd bidder
> behavior. Two guys bid up the track gang to well over $300 when all
> either had to do was look at the listings and they would have found
> several track gangs with a Buy-It-Now price of $89. The seller
> clearly listed it as a reproduction with the new Lionel part number.
> You can't fault the seller because two uninformed bidders got into a
> bidding war.

From a sellers perspective, It's great when that happens!

When I use to sell drive-in speaker stuff on eBay, I once offered a new
lighted hanger box with a starting bid of $9.95. My wholesale cost of
the item was $20. Imagine my surprise when a couple of idiots bid it up
to over $160! I felt so bad I sent the winner a complete set of two new
speakers and the box. My retail price on the complete set was only $119.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 43949 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 4/12/2007
Subject: Re: Something "NEW"...
Just check the goofy capitalization, and use of "Retorick", and consider the
source!!!!

Dick Hosmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43950 From: Scott Freeman Date: 4/12/2007
Subject: Re: Something "NEW"...
I think what he was trying to point out is that some people had there opening bids or buy it now prices set very high. I see one on there now with a starting bid price of $150.00.

Scott

Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
eBay is an interesting place - you see all kinds of odd bidder
behavior. Two guys bid up the track gang to well over $300 when all
either had to do was look at the listings and they would have found
several track gangs with a Buy-It-Now price of $89. The seller
clearly listed it as a reproduction with the new Lionel part number.
You can't fault the seller because two uninformed bidders got into a
bidding war.

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> wrote:
>
> Well isnt it Nice...the new Track Gangs finally arrived and within
> mins. the more unscupulous Train people start popping out of the
wood
> work...Its amazing how some can even sleep or look at themselves in
> the mirror....when they RIP the unknowing members of the S community
> off..by Overcharging them 300+ for something the Good guys will sell
> for 89 bucks BIN...with Retorick like Oh there in very limited
> supply ...and Not Very many made ...Only a few available....I hope
the
> ones getting taken make note of the names of these e bayers and pass
> it around for future referrance...Once ripped off .Twice shy.. Thank
> Goodness I deal with one of the GOOD GUYS...
>






---------------------------------
Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43951 From: Phil K Date: 4/12/2007
Subject: eBay: 20048 set in mint condition with fiber panels
Not listed in most books on Gilbert Flyer.

First time I've ever seen one of these "Scena-Rama" sets, a forerunner
of the All Aboard sets but from 1959:

http://tinyurl.com/354cuu

Anyone know more about this set? How many were made? What is its true value?

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 43952 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 4/13/2007
Subject: Mini-review, Alton Ltd.
Belatedly got the '06 Alton set,and after about 3 hrs. of play, have a coupla things to say about it. First, L has made user friendly boxes! The engine and tender's styrofoam container came easily out of the pasteboard box, no tearing-they should do this for their 3 rail engines, too. The lanyard for the bell is a nice touch. Access to the smoke unit switch a bit fussy, given that-if you follow the manual, and operate in traditional mode-you have to fill the smoker, get it up to power, shut off smoke unit then top it up. I went thru this drill just to see how it's done -I use TMCC. Appearance wise, The paint on the loco, tender and coaches is flawless. I am not happy with the apparent lack of an overcoat on the coach roofs-makes the metal flakes grossly out of scale. It's the same platinum as the 1995 Commodore Vanderbilt, and wow, it looks right in 1/48 but too-too in 1/64. Running in conventional, I did not like the start up, wasn't too happy with the smoke output, but
once I got used to her, she ran acceptably. Running in command, it's night and day. Smooth start-up, cruise speed (set the momentum in Light). It does everything like you'd expect, good volume of smoke and, of course, the full ticket on the sounds. I'd like to think that ACG-if they'd survived-would've made a similar set. Other than the previous gigs, the only other is the rivet size throughout. And I am no rivet counter. Will see how it likes Flyer scent Super Smoke-the 0 engines smoke great with it, I'm curious about S-John Marganski


---------------------------------
Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43953 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 4/13/2007
Subject: TMCC/DCC
5. TMCC/DCC
Posted by: "Tim Brown" Timboy@... timstrains2000
Date: Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:58 pm ((PDT))

Here's a question I've never seen addressed in this forum: If I
convert to TMCC or DCC, will I be able to integrate my own 10-amp DC
power packs into their digital command system or must I use a
proprietary power source pre-packaged with either system?



Tim : The TMCC/DCC requires a power supply that delivers a pure
sign wave to control the voltage, not a chopped sign wave to control the
voltage. The old American Flyer, such as the #12B or Lionel ZW work
fine. Several of the newer power supplies use a chopped sign wave,
similar to a dimmer control on your house hold lamps.

Jerry HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 43954 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 4/13/2007
Subject: Railroad Artwork (slightly OT)
My Friends,

Several months ago there was a dicussion on the AWNUTS-Again list about
whimsical railroad art. Someone had stumbled upon Richard Neuman's website
in their surfing. I followed their links and fell in love with Richard's
individual train cars. I asked him if he'd consider doing a whole train.
He agreed! My wife purchased this piece of whimsical railroad art for my
birthday (it's headed for a place over my desk in my office - to drive my
boss nuts!).

http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/dmunseyjr/494-long-train-2.jpg.html The train is Richard's, but he can customize the quote (I love Franklin'squote on play!) for you. He printed it on canvas and our local frame shopstretched it - the result - a magnificent piece of railroad art, at least inmy humble opinion!.When the print arrived, a new project found its way to my round-tu-itproject list. I want to use the print as an inspiration and recreateRichard's train in 1:24 scale. Note that all of the rolling stock is basedon the same flat car base. I also want to add a tender for the loco andmaybe a bulkhead flat for pulwood and a boxcar to the train. My originalconcept was to modify the Hartland Loco Works mini-flat as the base for thecars. But, I like the idea of designing & scratch building the flat better.I'm mocking up the flat car base now in card stock to get the basicdimensions so they are visually pleasing and keep the feel of Richard'strain. Coincidentally, Tom Yorke is starting a correspondence course inbuilding a 4-wheel flat car base for future car projects on his Large Scalelist. BTW, Richard does alot of other neat transportation art (planes, trucks,RVs, cars, construction equipment) in the same style. Here is his website. Website: http://www.richard-neuman-artist.comENJOY! Keep in touch! Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@... Sn42 and Hn42 river logging fan Virginian Rwy fan Bonsai grasshopper Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43955 From: Tim Brown Date: 4/13/2007
Subject: Atlas Snap Relays
Out of curiosity, I went to the Atlas web site and found "O gauge" Snap
Relays. I figured they would be more robust than the HO variety, so I
bought some. What they sent me was marked "SNAP-RELAY for All
Scales". Turns out they are the same identical ones I've been burning
up. So I maintain that the most robust "snap" or "latch" relays out
there are old Flyer switches, wired up and dedicated to that end. I
have never heard of anyone else using old Flyer switches for that
purpose, so I humbly take credit for "inventing" that usage. Unless.
Can someone else point us to older documentation showing them being
used that way? I am not referring to embedding a micro-switch into the
Flyer switch. That's been done for a long time now and is in
the "Greenberg's American Flyer S Gauge Repair and Operating Manual" -
Chapter IX. I'm curious.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43956 From: William Porter Date: 4/13/2007
Subject: eBay Format problem
Hi Folks,



Ebay has changed their programming and made some ads harder to use. Since
that is one of the primary places for us to trade our Flyer stuff, I suggest
that if you don't like the new format, send them a suggestion. You can find
the place to do that by navigating their menus thusly:



Home > Help Topics > New to eBay > Community Resources > Sending Suggestions
to eBay



The problem I see is that the width of the ad is now determined by the width
of the seller's pictures. That means a seller with a wide picture can
produce an ad with the navigation buttons moved off the screen to the right
side. I find it a pain in the caboose. If you do too, send them a suggestion
encouraging them to either change back to the old format or to fix it so
that the navigation buttons are always in the same place regardless of the
size of the pictures. Take a look at one of Tony Hay's ads (tonebat) to see
an example. He almost always uses wide pictures.



And now, back to my trains,

Bill



Bill Porter

Loxahatchee, Florida





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43957 From: len_hall Date: 4/13/2007
Subject: GSAF Train Club Web Page
Finally got our website up and running. The nice thing is that now we
have a repository for all the pictures we take at each even and a means
to let the rest of the world know about our activities here in Northern
Utah.

http://gsaftc.com

Len
Group: S-Trains Message: 43958 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 4/14/2007
Subject: AF needs
Friends in S,

I'm in need of a tender base and truck side frames for a Flyer Hudson. Condition is not important as long as the truck side frames are not broken. The sideframes do not need to be attached to the base plate. I do NOT need the internal elctronics nor the wheels. I don't really need the tender base either.

In fact, all I really need is a pair of 6-wheel tender truck truck side frames - unbroken. AF, Flyonel, original, repro - not critical.

Anyone have a couple in your round-tu-it project box that you might spare? Contact me off list at dmunseyjr@... with condition and price. Want to trade? What do you need?

Keep in touch!

Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@...
Sn42 and Hn42 river logging fan
Virginian Rwy fan
Bonsai grasshopper
Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43959 From: John Keating Date: 4/14/2007
Subject: Miller Power Truck
Have one Miller power truck with two powered axles with scale wheels;
want to trade for a truck with two powered axles with hirail wheels.
Also seeking info on servicing powered axle units. Thank you in advance.
John Keating
Group: S-Trains Message: 43960 From: Carl Date: 4/14/2007
Subject: AF part number
Does anyone know the pn for the brush plate used in the bellows type
smoke in tender unit and a source for one? I have a 312 SIT unit
which has a broken motor brush plate. I'd like to repair it. Thanks
Carl
Group: S-Trains Message: 43961 From: David Dewey Date: 4/14/2007
Subject: Re: eBay: 20048 set in mint condition with fiber panels
Phil,
While they aren't common, I have seen (in person) three, and I own one. Mine was my cousins, purchased in the South Bay Area, new. While mine still has all the original boxes, the set box has had a hard life, and the trains were run (carefully). Mine has the same cars this one lists, although my Christmas Tree car is in a red and white box, like the rest of the set cars. One of my panels has been painted (by my cousins) although I still have most of the paints. It's an interesting set, as all the train but the Locomotive and caboose are rather unusual.
The fiber panels do predate the All Aboard sets, and are likely a concept test. Being made of pressed paper, the cost for tooling was minimal!
Interestingly, one of the other sets I've seen was sold by the same store as my set! That set was purchased from a private party near my present home, and was purchased by someone "back east" (hmm, out here, almost anything is "back east"!)
Hope that helps some.
S'
David D.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43962 From: Firewood Date: 4/14/2007
Subject: Atlas O / Industrial rail re-gauge?
Anybody re-gauged these guys yet? If I remember right, the Industrial
rail trolleys are 1:55 scale, correct?

http://www.atlaso.com/IR/irtrolleysets.htm

FW
Group: S-Trains Message: 43963 From: John Degnan Date: 4/14/2007
Subject: Re: 1/64 Scale Cars For Sale : PHOTOS
Folks,

Some of you have written asking questions about these cars... questions that I feel can be easiest answered with PHOTOS. So below are 13 photos of the OPENED cars, but NOT the still boxed cars. If anyone wants photos of the others, just ask. Prices remain as last posted :

www.trainweb.org/seaboard/FORSALE/Cars01.jpg

www.trainweb.org/seaboard/FORSALE/Cars02.jpg

www.trainweb.org/seaboard/FORSALE/Cars03.jpg

www.trainweb.org/seaboard/FORSALE/Cars04.jpg

www.trainweb.org/seaboard/FORSALE/Cars05.jpg

www.trainweb.org/seaboard/FORSALE/Cars06.jpg

www.trainweb.org/seaboard/FORSALE/Cars07.jpg

www.trainweb.org/seaboard/FORSALE/Cars08.jpg

www.trainweb.org/seaboard/FORSALE/Cars09.jpg

www.trainweb.org/seaboard/FORSALE/Cars10.jpg

www.trainweb.org/seaboard/FORSALE/Cars11.jpg

www.trainweb.org/seaboard/FORSALE/Cars12.jpg

www.trainweb.org/seaboard/FORSALE/Cars13.jpg


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43964 From: lvtrainmeet Date: 4/14/2007
Subject: Allentown pa train meet still on for sunday .Lots of S gauge
Just wanted to let everyone know that no matter the weather The Great
Lehigh valley Train meet will be Held. I was there today and the show
is already almost set up and was assured that the event will go on.you
can call Merchants Square mall 610-797-7743 if your still worried. But
there is over 10,000 square feet of items set up for sale . The Show
hours are 10Am-3Pm. Sunday April 15th. www.lehighvalleytrainmeet.com
See you There Kevin Redcay
Group: S-Trains Message: 43965 From: flyer_af Date: 4/14/2007
Subject: Re: Buildup of Track Crud
I apologize to all of you who are getting this message twice, I
originally sent it to "S-trains-owner@..." and I see that it
didn't get posted online, so I'm sending it again, this time to "S-
trains@...". The problem is black crud buildup on my rails.
Bob Moyer suggested that I retire my original Flyer track and go
with S Helper Service track, and I bought some new SHS track to try
it out. I ran my almost-new Flyonel Burlington SD-9 for two hours
on the new SHS track and the track came up BLACKER than the
original Flyer track under the same conditions. Does anybody have
any insight into what could be causing this black crud to build up
so rapidly? The SD-9 has black anodized metal wheels, so it isn't
crud coming off plastic wheels.
Thanks,
Larry Harmon



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "flyer_af" <bugsville@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, all!
> After a hiatus of almost 40 years, I'm getting back into
> American Flyer trains. One problem I'm having is crud
> building up on the track. I cleaned the original Flyer track
> with a brass wire bristle brush to get the corrosion off, and
> before running, I wipe it down with alcohol until the rag
> comes up clean. However, when running my train, after
> about an hour, the loco starts slowing down and the electrical
> pickups spark badly. I then have to wipe the track down with
> alcohol and the rag comes away with streaks as black as the
> ace of spades. I then laboriously clean black crud off all the
> wheels and electrical pickups. This only happens when I run
> the train. Between runnings the track stays squeaky clean.
> Has anybody else had this quick buildup of black crud on the
> track? What causes it? What can be done?
> Thanks,
> Larry Harmon
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43966 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 4/15/2007
Subject: AF S-gauge 0-6-0 wheels
My Friends in S,

Will someone please measure the diameter of the diecast portion of the wheels (do not include the white walls or tires) for the AF S-gauge 0-6-0 switcher with the slope back tender. I need this measurement for a future project I'm planning.

THNX,
Keep in touch!

Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@...
Sn42 and Hn42 river logging fan
Virginian Rwy fan
Bonsai grasshopper
Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43967 From: uvl97222 Date: 4/15/2007
Subject: I was looking on ebay at this item, and.....
Like I was telling all of you I was looking at item # 330106466366 on ebay, and the
computer locks up. My computer is a Mac G4, and I run Safari as the application. What I am
asking is for some one to see if any thing is wrong with the listing. I can't even scroll down
the page to read it. I would add also that I did this three time now. Whom evey would like to
try for me I thank you. I think this is a nice item, and at a low low price for what it is too. At
this price I would like to bid on it,others are bidding I just can't post a bid or look at all of it.


Clayton
Group: S-Trains Message: 43968 From: Carl Date: 4/15/2007
Subject: Re: AF Part number
Thanks for the response to my query. I appreciate it and it
demonstrates what this group is about. AF lovers helping AF lovers.
(And S-scale) Again, Thanks CJ (Carl)
Group: S-Trains Message: 43969 From: Carl Date: 4/15/2007
Subject: Re: ebay item 330106466366
Clayton: My wife has a Mac with safari and we get the same results
that you do with your Mac. My PC has no problem with the listing. Ah
the wonders of the modern computer age. CJ
Group: S-Trains Message: 43970 From: George Cohn Date: 4/15/2007
Subject: Re: I was looking on ebay at this item, and.....
uvl97222 wrote:

>
> Like I was telling all of you I was looking at item # 330106466366 on
> ebay, and the
> computer locks up. My computer is a Mac G4, and I run Safari as the
> application. What I am
> asking is for some one to see if any thing is wrong with the listing.

The listing looks legit and is from the Penn Valley Hobby Center.

eBay recently redid a lot of their web site layout and I suspect that
much of the html code is now IE7 centric. I ran into that on a music
listing where they offer to let you sample the song and the player
detected my FireFox and told me to switch to IE7.

Sorry, I'm an old computer geek and I will use what I deem is best, not
what some web designer feels is the "only" standard.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 43971 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 4/15/2007
Subject: Re: I was looking on ebay at this item, and.....
I have almost given up on Ebay for that reason. I have a Mac G3, using
MSIE5.1 as my browser, and I have DSL, but, the interface with Ebay is SO
slow now that even looking at items is tedious, and bidding is almost
impossible. If I wanted something, I would have to throw out a ridiculous
bid while there was enough time to dick around with their process. A few
years ago, with the same computer on dialup, I could bid and refresh/rebid
in a couple of seconds. Any one else in this situation?

Dick Hosmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 43972 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/15/2007
Subject: www.yorkrevolution.com
http://www.yorkrevolution.com/

For those attending the TCA Eastern Division meet this Friday in York, PA, you can check out the new baseball stadium for the York Revolution. And job fair! O:)!

Sadly, their season opens May 15th.

York, PA has arrived back in the world of baseball, as I believe York, PA did have a minor team before.

Baseball and trains!

Maybe Neil Young will be at this meet, as it has been a few years since he has been back to York!

Mike Marmer



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43973 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 4/16/2007
Subject: Re: I was looking on ebay at this item, and.....
Ok, I tried to load this page on my Mac Mini G4 with Safari and it
locks up the page! However I usually use Firefox, and using Firefox
the page loads fine and nearly instantly. I can not explain it.
Apparently, something on the page Safari does not like. It certainly
is a complicated page with the seller adding a lot of stuff. Too
often eBay sellers and Web site owners do not consider that by
putting special plugins and such on their web pages, that many users
will not be able to access their pages. This especially true of toy
train guys, who tend to buy trains rather then use the money to
upgrade their computers.

That is why my website uses no Java, no cookies, no sound or other
plugins so as to not leave anyone out!

Chuck

http://www.myflyertrains.org
A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online

I highly recommend Firefox for all Mac, Linux and Windows Users.

Chuck


On Apr 15, 2007, at 11:00 AM, uvl97222 wrote:

> Like I was telling all of you I was looking at item # 330106466366
> on ebay, and the
> computer locks up. My computer is a Mac G4, and I run Safari as the
> application. What I am
> asking is for some one to see if any thing is wrong with the
> listing. I can't even scroll down
> the page to read it. I would add also that I did this three time
> now. Whom evey would like to
> try for me I thank you. I think this is a nice item, and at a low
> low price for what it is too. At
> this price I would like to bid on it,others are bidding I just
> can't post a bid or look at all of it.
>
>
> Clayton
>> .
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43974 From: clayton deich Date: 4/16/2007
Subject: Re: I was looking on ebay at this item, and.....
Thank you for the help, and what a landslide of help
it was... All of you are great when it come to helping
an old Gilbert fan out! :)

Clayton S. D.



--- uvl97222 <uvl97222@...> wrote:

> Like I was telling all of you I was looking at item
> # 330106466366 on ebay, and the
> computer locks up. My computer is a Mac G4, and I
> run Safari as the application. What I am
> asking is for some one to see if any thing is wrong
> with the listing. I can't even scroll down
> the page to read it. I would add also that I did
> this three time now. Whom evey would like to
> try for me I thank you. I think this is a nice item,
> and at a low low price for what it is too. At
> this price I would like to bid on it,others are
> bidding I just can't post a bid or look at all of
> it.
>
>
> Clayton
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43975 From: srgriggs Date: 4/16/2007
Subject: To those attending York
I'm curious to know if Mel Neilsen of Ballston Locomotive Works is
there selling or showing re-gauged K-Line Big Boys. There are a few
on S Trains who ordered conversions a few years ago and are still
waiting. Thanks in advance.

Scott Griggs
Louisville, KY
Group: S-Trains Message: 43976 From: Alex Sibbald Date: 4/17/2007
Subject: flagpole
Hi,
Does anyone know of a source of s scale or appropriate sized flagpoles
w/flags for the layout?
Thanks alot,
Alex
Group: S-Trains Message: 43977 From: David Dewey Date: 4/17/2007
Subject: Re: I was looking on ebay at this item, and.....
And then there are those of us who live in the "boonies" and can only get dial-up to connect to the world, and not the normal 56K dial-up, but a lousy 19K! All those wonderful "features" folks add to their sites, or auctions, or email just sloooooow down the system--and "youtube"? fergit it, a simple 2 minute movie takes at least a half-hour to download!
It's not the same phone service everywhere, but we pay the same price!!!
S'
David D.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43978 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/17/2007
Subject: NY,Ontario & Western RR
http://www.nyow.org/main.html

Interesting historical website about a long abandon RR.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43979 From: William Porter Date: 4/17/2007
Subject: Wire Gauge
Hi Folks,



Does anyone know what gauge wire is used for the solenoids in the 715
unloader car?



Thanks,

Bill



Bill Porter

Loxahatchee, Florida





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43980 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/17/2007
Subject: Fwd: Whats Flyionel
Is this the nut everyone is talking about getting strange emails from?
Weird!! guy

Harwood
Group: S-Trains Message: 43981 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 4/17/2007
Subject: Re: Wire Gauge
Bill,

My reference says the 715 solenoid uses wire size 26.

BG1


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wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> Does anyone know what gauge wire is used for the solenoids in the
715
> unloader car?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> Bill Porter
>
> Loxahatchee, Florida
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 43982 From: stephen Date: 4/17/2007
Subject: boys railroad club layout
does anybody have any info on the layout used for the af boys rr club
tv show from the 1950's. ive seen photos of a similar layout but have
never seen any video of trains running,
also has anybody recreated this layout with modern equipment.

thanks
smarmaro
Group: S-Trains Message: 43983 From: Rick Evans Date: 4/17/2007
Subject: Re: flagpole
I bought a S-scale USA flag and pole at a train show a few years ago.
I'll hunt up the distributor, I have it here somewhere.

Rick.



Hi,
Does anyone know of a source of s scale or appropriate sized flagpoles
w/flags for the layout?
Thanks alot,
Alex



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Group: S-Trains Message: 43984 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 4/17/2007
Subject: #762, 2 in 1 Whistle Wiring
This group has been very helpful in the past, I'm hoping you all can
help again. I picked up a #762 2 in 1 Whistle (Erector Billboard
Whistle) where the wiring is "gone" on it. Does anyone have a wiring
schematic or picture(s) of the unit that clearly show the wiring so I
can get it restored? Any info truly appreciated.
Group: S-Trains Message: 43985 From: Mark Preman Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: boys railroad club layout
Stephen,
I sell the video which includes all of the Boy's Railroad Club episodes. You can see it on my website at http://www.americanflyertrains.com
Mark


Mark B. Preman
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43986 From: Bill and Linda Lucas Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: Wire Gauge
According to Robert Hannon's book the information for a 715 unloading car solenoid is: Wire size- 26, number of turns-705, Style- layered, Number of layers- 11
Bill in stuill rainy Maine


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43987 From: Mark Preman Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: Wire Gauge - Blatant Ad!
Brother Porter,
You need the Bob Hannon book with all the specs on armatures, field coils, solenoids, etc.
You can see it at http://www.americanflyertrains.com
(Thanks for the opportunity, Bill.)
Mark


Mark B. Preman
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43988 From: Gregg Mummert Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: flagpole
Here is a link to various scales - both 48 and 50 star...

http://www.tonystrains.com/download/us_flags_sheet.pdf

No "S" scales but these are stil usable.

Gregg
Group: S-Trains Message: 43989 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 4/18/2007
Subject: boys railroad club layout
I met a man today
at the Toy Train Museum
open house in Strasburg
that is restoring one
of the Boy's Club layouts.
It is 8' x 16' with track and
a mountain. He is working
on accessories and transformers.
His name is Fred Whitley.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Preman
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:48 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:boys railroad club layout


Stephen,
I sell the video which includes all of the Boy's Railroad Club episodes. You can see it on my website at http://www.americanflyertrains.com
Mark

Mark B. Preman
AmericanFlyerTrains.com

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43990 From: Chris Date: 4/19/2007
Subject: York Badge
I posted the York Badge for this list's members to wear at York in the
files section. Look under B for Badges.

Sorry to be so late with it. I just plumb forgot.

CU @ Yorque

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 43991 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 4/19/2007
Subject: 342 wheel
Date: Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:02 am ((PDT))

My Friends in S,

Will someone please measure the diameter of the diecast portion of the
wheels (do not include the white walls or tires) for the AF S-gauge 0-6-0
switcher with the slope back tender. I need this measurement for a
future project I'm planning.


Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@...
Sn42 and Hn42 river logging fan
Virginian Rwy fan
Bonsai grasshopper
Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana.





Don The Diameter of the die cast center of the small wheel ( 342 ) is
11/32
Jerry HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 43992 From: Jollivier4@cs.com Date: 4/19/2007
Subject: looking for Flyerfest West info
Hi,

I found out I have a few personal days after all. I need dates and
information on this event ASAP.

Jacques


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Group: S-Trains Message: 43993 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 4/20/2007
Subject: Re: York Badge
Just got back from a day
at York. I will post pictures
as soon as I can.

The Gilbert Get Together
last night was great with
over 100 people attending.
We only got a few to pose
for a group picture.

Interesting items brought.
I only took photos of a few.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:41 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] York Badge


I posted the York Badge for this list's members to wear at York in the
files section. Look under B for Badges.

Sorry to be so late with it. I just plumb forgot.

CU @ Yorque

Chris Zizzo





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43994 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 4/20/2007
Subject: TCA MEMORIES
Here is a website of pictures
from my Wednesday at Strasburg
and Thursday at York. Cameras
are not allowed in the member
or dealer halls so I can't
show you the many tables of
American Flyer treasures.
You can see the TCA
Toy Train Museum, which
was open on Wednesday
and visit the Gilbert Get Together,
which was held Thursday night
at the Reliance Firehouse.
http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/TCAMEMORIES.html

Enjoy

Glenn

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Group: S-Trains Message: 43995 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/21/2007
Subject: Flyer Fest West 2007, 5/5/2007, 11:00 am
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Flyer Fest West 2007
 
Date:   Saturday May 5, 2007
Time:   11:00 am - 4:00 pm
Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 7 days, 3 minutes.
Location:   Elk Grove, California
Street:   SES Hall, 10427 East Stockton Blvd
City State Zip:   Elk Grove, CA 95624
Notes:   If you would like to attend Flyer Fest West and you haven't registered already you can do so at the door on the day of the event. For information email FFW2007@... or call Don Rosa at (916) 682-6961
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43996 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/21/2007
Subject: Mel Nielsen
Spoke with Mel at some length today. He has experienced about ALL of the
problems one person can when undertaking a project like the K-Line conversion
to "S". Progress is reportedly being made, a machinist has finally been found
( the SIXTH one, I think he said) to actually start and finish the required
machine work. Apparently some units have already been shipped.

Joe Haenn will probably have more info when he returns home to his 'puter.

Guess it IS possible to forget you came to drain the swamp, when the 'gators
are snappin' at your shorts.

Jim "Livin' on the KEYSTONE Main" Lyle
Group: S-Trains Message: 43997 From: Michael Stanton Date: 4/21/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer Fest West 2007, 5/5/2007, 11:00 am
A couple of small corrections regarding Flyer Fest West. There is
still time to register in advance for the event as long as the form
is recieved within the next week but if you want to attend the
banquet on Saturday evening featuring two very special guest
speakers (Bob Church and Julie Gilbert Trail) you need to contact
Don Rosa within the next few days. There is still space available
for the Sunday tour at the Western Railway Museum and there may
still be one or two commemorative box cars available. Don's phone
number is (916) 682-6961.

Mike Stanton

-- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/cal
>
> Flyer Fest West 2007
> Saturday May 5, 2007
> 11:00 am - 4:00 pm
> (The next reminder for this event will be sent in 7 days, 3
minutes.)
> Location: Elk Grove, California
> Street: SES Hall, 10427 East Stockton Blvd
> City State Zip: Elk Grove, CA 95624
>
> Notes:
> If you would like to attend Flyer Fest West and you haven't
registered already you can do so at the door on the day of the
event. For information email FFW2007@... or call Don Rosa at (916)
682-6961
>
>
> All Rights Reserved
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> Yahoo! Inc.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43998 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/21/2007
Subject: Re: Fwd: Whats Flyionel
Yup, welcome to the crazy world of great and wonderful emails from Jay Walsh or what ever name he is using.

Just ignore them, as answering them, only gets you deeper with him and his emails.

Funny how he is banned from this site, but he still gets access to this site through his tricks in using email addresses, as he has a wonderful way of making new friends. Right.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: HOwingsiii@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 3:57 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Fwd: Whats Flyionel


Is this the nut everyone is talking about getting strange emails from?
Weird!! guy

Harwood





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Group: S-Trains Message: 43999 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 4/21/2007
Subject: Re: Mel Nielsen
Many people have asked about
Balston Locomotive Works
and Mel Nielson on this list.
I too talked to Mel at TCA.
He had a table for his
Reading/Jersey Central
Camelback ($65.00) &
Pacific ($95.00) shells plus
$5.00 shipping.

Mel had to take a full time
job but promised he would
answer messages left at
(518) 584-1090
Clifton Park, New York.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: WJJIM@...
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; S-scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 10:25 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Mel Nielsen


Spoke with Mel at some length today. He has experienced about ALL of the
problems one person can when undertaking a project like the K-Line conversion
to "S". Progress is reportedly being made, a machinist has finally been found
( the SIXTH one, I think he said) to actually start and finish the required
machine work. Apparently some units have already been shipped.

Joe Haenn will probably have more info when he returns home to his 'puter.

Guess it IS possible to forget you came to drain the swamp, when the 'gators
are snappin' at your shorts.

Jim "Livin' on the KEYSTONE Main" Lyle





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44000 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/21/2007
Subject: Whats Flyionel
This is that wacky message Jay Walsh sent me last weekend. I copied and
pasted it for you to read. Weird guy.

Harwood
Group: S-Trains Message: 44001 From: Chris Date: 4/21/2007
Subject: York Re-Cap
Hi everybody:
I walked in the door 30 minutes ago. New Jersey Tpke. and Staten
Island Expwy were crawling or I would have made better time.

I missed the "Flyer Nut" meeting. When I saw the name I thought it
was a TCA put down. Turns out it's a tribute by Clay Buckage to Bob
Tuft's (his car's license plate). I shouldn't be so hasty. I
arrived Friday at noon.

I did the Blue Hall first because I usually leave it until last as
everybody is packing up. It's so huge and takes so long that I feel
a little unplugged from the rest of the York experience as I trudge
through all those aisles, but I was pleasantly surprised because it
was LOADED with S-Gauge. An S-load of G-Flyer and an amazing amount
of L-Flyer. Also, a substantial amount of AM. Not as much SHS. At
least two guys passed me telling friends they were with that "this
place is all Flyer!"

My Blue Hall finds included a complete sealed LTI CZ plus the 2
extra cars and RS B unit for $500 flat. (Not Silver Platter, but I
already had it.) At least two guys passed me telling friends they
were with that "this place is all Flyer!" BTW, at White Hall, I
found a (TTOS?) silver AC Gilbert commemorative coach, $85, that I
will add to the CZ set.

Speaking of White Hall, it was arranged all differently, super wide
aisles, many fewer tables, not as much the center of FFlyer it used
to be, and rather quiet. I was told that Thursday was a busy day.
Friday was quieet, Saturday was like a Sunday!

Black Hall was one HUGE 0-HiRail Layout by an Upstste NY club.
Amazing mod. layout with immense central yards and 200 foot long
straights.

Red Hall was the usual crowd. Saw the Vanacores there and chatted
about layout planning. In Purple Hall I saw Doug Pecks booth. He
seemed really busy. I found a dealer selling little LED crawling
displays, totally programmable in several colors and great for
advertising signs, like on a building or billboard. I bought a
rechargeable model that will run off the charger instead of needing
batteries.

Orange hall is always the big dealer center. Lionels S-tuff wasn't
all that exciting really. Same stuff, new paint jobs, and I saw no
new steam. MTH's Coor's beer train is very cool, no matter how
corny the premise.

Mel Nielsen of Ballston says he is two weeks away from shipping some
of those Big-Boys. Some guys have theirs already. If you can find
one in 0, he'll get it done for $400. He's still pushing those
camelback Atlantic conversions.

SHS had their usual strong showing. The layout had some new
structures and some new cars were there. Don is using some really
pretty brass cabooses from Ajin to round out his consists and
provide matching hacks for his steam roadnames. Sweet, but $300+
per car! He reminded me that the warehouse party is coming up in
June. He'll be selling off some of his display stock.

Speaking of SHS, I was buying a couple of AM tankcars in Silver Hall
today and a guy on the other side of the table said, "Hey, I've got
some S gauge here." It was a new, out of production SHS Rio Grande
starter set he had $500 on (switcher and seven cars incl. TOFC and
fancy SHS caboose), a new American Models Rio Grande GP-35 in DC Hi-
Rail with a $150 tag, and an AM 3-bay hopper marked $38. I said it
was nice but I didn't have any money left, I was going home. He
said "Take it all for $250". Did you know that M&T bank has an ATM
only 2 blocks from the fairgrounds?

Friday night we had a great dinner at The Olive Garden (when you're
here, you're a Flyer Nut). Nine of us, including members of the
Cuyahoga Valley S-Gaugers chowed down on some surprisingly good
Italian fare at this chain restaurant. We had a great time bull-S-
ing and Barb passed around pix of her (now moved) layout. It was a
great cap to a fun day at York.

More later if I think of it. I'm too tired now and I'm drifting
away. I've been writing this for an hour already.

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 44002 From: Chris Date: 4/22/2007
Subject: York Re-Cap
Just a footnote, while I'm thinking of it, now that I've had a night's
sleep.

Mel Nielsen said that Dave Avedesian's Big Boy would be the first to
ship. So Dave, congrats, you're next. About 2 weeks, I hear.

Neil Young was not at the meet. I checked with registration when I
arrived and they looked him up. He had not signed in as of half past
noon on Friday.

Tom Hodgson, American Hi-Rail, also was not at the meet. Last York he
was there (I got my Flying Yankee from him in the Fall.) He told me
then that he was going to retire from flying. I figured that would
give him time to devote more energy into train production, but he
didn't seem to think that was in his retirement plan. ?????????
All Tom Hodgson comments have to end in ?????????

More if anything else pops into my head. I'll try to make chat
tonight.

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 44003 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/22/2007
Subject: Just wondering
Why can we not attach pictures, include pictures, attach documents or even
copy and paste emails in this Yahoo group. I belong to other yahoo groups
where you can do all these things? Is our moderator not allowing any of this and
is screening these emails? Just wondering.

Harwood

Jay Walsh's strange email again titled "Whats Flyionel"

"Checking with Lionel co. -they say you people made up the name --They
dont make anything labelled with that Name.. So are you making out its
a repro name or what? Some say its a S gauge name --But the books dont
show it >> seems fake stuff, a charade! as they say,! Reminds of the
post ww2 days of Japan and Formosa making up disguised names of USA
manufacturing..! Charles Rho doesnt carry it either.. where is the
stuff at> Now if its American Flyer by Lionel ?why cant u say that --
instead of the fake names --you shouldnt post fake names unless you say
u created the name--did u create the FLYionel name| ^ & is it
copyrighted -you know if it isnt; anyone then can repro something and
say its a FLyionel peice --scammers are in trans big time!"
Group: S-Trains Message: 44004 From: Phil K Date: 4/22/2007
Subject: Re: Just wondering
Harwood --

There are two ways in which members post messages to the group: 1)
email; and 2) using the S-Trains Yahoo! user interface.

The Yahoo Groups software does not convey any attachments, no matter
which of the two submission methods you use. And none of the
moderators is "stripping" pictures or documents from posts. They just
don't come down the pipe from Yahoo still enclosed/attached to your
email.

To answer your second question, you may freely paste emails into
posts submitted to this group. However, professional ranter Jay Walsh
was permanently banned from this group (and Available S-Gauge) many
months ago for repeated abuse of other members, among a littany of
sins. Trust me, it is a well-deserved banishment. He has kept up his
barrage of stupidity through offline emails to group members.

So I have requested that if members don't want to block his emails
and want to respond to his moronic statements (which continue
nonetheless), go ahead and do so -- offline. But by pasting a
banished member's manic spews into this forum, it is giving him "back-
door" access -- which he should not have. He is banned from having
any of his words printed here.

Phil K

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--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote:
>
> Why can we not attach pictures, include pictures, attach documents
or even
> copy and paste emails in this Yahoo group. I belong to other yahoo
groups
> where you can do all these things? Is our moderator not allowing
any of this and
> is screening these emails? Just wondering.
>
> Harwood
Group: S-Trains Message: 44005 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/22/2007
Subject: A walk on the YORK side (or why I need to lose weight)
Tuesday AM found me playing "hookie" from the Train Shop and heading to York
with Good Buddie Paul Herr ( NTTM "S" layout guy and Parking Crew member).
We visited the Holodome, parking lot sparse at 9 AM Tuesday because of the
unsettled weather, I would think. MOST tables filled in the various banquet
and meeting rooms. TCA's Op Manager John Luppino was telling the TCA story and
offering what appears to be a great trip. On to Reliance, outstanding
showing of Flyer there. Sailed past the Holiday/Billy Budd, venue writhing
because of "painless" local taxation issues and hotel managements' apparent lack of
"a clue".
NEW venue at Springettsbury Fire Dept was over half full, buddy John
DeFelice reported it filled later on Tuesday (when he set up, maybe). On to help
NTTM to prep for Wednesday's activities.

Wednesday's weather came with a better promise of sunshine, something
Lancaster County had lacked for too many days. Great breakfast at the RED CABOOSE
RESTAURANT next door to us. The Parking Crew of the Education and Museum
Committee did their usual great job, the shuttle ran flawlessly and as usual
few understood the concept of NO LEFT TURN, it was like being in the real
world. Our friends at THE CHOO CHOO BARN, RAILROAD MUSEUM OF PENNSYLVANIA,
STRASBURG RAILROAD and RED CABOOSE MOTEL graciously allow us to use their parking
facilities in addition to our own. While I have little to do with the inside
activities on this day, the Education and Museum Committee does a wonderful
job of making members and guests "feel at home" and offers great programming
to all comers. Be sure to check YOUTUBE in the coming days for the
presentations done from NOON til 2 PM, a new feature of York Wednesday. I was
privileged to present "S-HELPER SERVICES" products during that time. ATLAS debuted
their new steamer, Anna Hartman did her usual great job for WEAVER. I am
waiting for YOUTUBE to see the other presentations.

Thursday on the Fairgrounds, less hustle and bustle, relaxed except maybe
for the throngs decending on the Blue/Silver doors at the Noon opening. Our
friend "BIG BOB" was not in attendance, some political issue with the
fairgrounds owners (privately owned). Almost ALL of the food concessions are owned by
the Bricker's now. Trains everywhere, huge modular layout in the "Black
Hall", track had the center "helper" rail tho. Guess it keeps the trains from
falling thru???

Friday, the big day, starts with the "World's Most Expensive Breakfast" in
York. Then Clem's presentation in the back of the Cafeteria, then Dan
Danielson on the PA. The doors opened, CLASSIC TOY TRAIN badges went in eight
minutes. Friendships renewed, trains exchanged homes, life was good. EASTERN DIV
does "put on a show" Dinner with the "Gang" was, as always, unique.

Saturday I had the privelege of traveling to York with one of our NEWEST
members, lovely Linda. We met Jane Boyce, Ron Morris and Keith Arnold in the
roadway past Orange Hall to start off the morning right. Jane was driving,
Keith was laughing, Ron was smiling. Met more old friends. Saw many people
carrying purchases to cars. Weather stayed warm and dry, sun shone brightly.

Linda and I travelled to Hanover Farms, southwest of York, home of the
famous race horse breeding stables, started by the owners of the Hanover Shoe Co.
They let the "world" in for free. Wonder IF they still make shoes in
Hanover????

EVERY DAY was a wonderful day, as I am fortunate to have good friends and
co-workers in TCA.

Jim "Livin' on the KEYSTONE Main" Lyle
Group: S-Trains Message: 44006 From: Chris Date: 4/22/2007
Subject: York Re-Cap
Actually, that was a pretty reasonable message from Jay Walsh.

My answer to him would be that it's not so much a made up name but
rather a kind of clever shorthand way of making it clear that we are
talking about Lionel's American Flyer as opposed to the original A.C.
Gilbert product. To Jay, I would have to add that I'm pretty sure you
knew that and were simply taking the list members to task for using
the word Flyonel (that's the better spelling, I think). Jay is quite
intelligent and simply likes to play the devil's advocate in an
attempt to keep us all honest. I doubt that he contacted Charles Ro
or tried to find Flyonel in any catalog. You have to see his
satirical approach by dropping your own seriousness. Then, in spite
of his atrocious spelling, he makes sense.

And yes, this weekend taught me a lot about Jay's rants on the thieves
in toy trains. I saw cheap knock-offs of Flyer, made in Bulgaria.
For $40 you could have a "TankTrain" tanker that normally goes for
$80. When you look at it up close though, it's a seriously flawed
painting and lettering job. At York, you can pick it up and handle
it. On e-Bay, you could easily get burned by such garbage. Sure, you
might get your money back, but you'll probably be on the hook for
shipping, at least one-way.

Also, I found I could pick-up and run with incidental purchases so
easily at York, where e-Bay is a real hassle. For example, a guy had
2 new pieces of Gargraves Flex-Track, $3 apiece. Take 5 for both?
Sure. Done and I'm walking away with the track. On e-Bay they'd be
$5 each plus $10 shipping.

I got the Sherwin-Williams cars for $40 each. The same seller has
them on e-Bay and the bid is up to $90 each, plus the inevitable
shipping.

I hear guys on this list say they wish they had something like York
where they live. I say this: You have York, the one and only York.
Pay for a little shipping and send yourself there. The airfare,
especially if you book in advance, will be cheaper than e-Bay. Split
a room with 4 guys and it becomes a lot cheaper to stay there. Want
to know where to find guys who are going? They're here, on this
list. Use the technology to your advantage. Get out of your house and
come break bread with the guys you only know as typed words on a
screen. You will find bargains, you will fill out your want list with
choices of quality, price and availability. Can't carry it all home
on a plane. There is a self-shipping center that helps with the
boxing, packing and wrapping and takes it from you right outside the
registration desk. The costs will be minimal for shipping because you
will do it and you DO combine items to reduce costs and you don't
charge yourself for packing.

York is a big train experience, the biggest. I spoke earlier about
how big Blue Hall is and how long it takes to get through it. My
guess is that most of you who have yet to go to York but who have been
to other swap meets have never been to a train show or meet as big as
Blue Hall. It's big enough to hold a professional basketball game and
a crowd to watch it. Blue Hall is attached to Silver Hall which is
about two-thirds as big. Orange Hall is about the size of Blue. Red
is a tad smaller than Silver. White Hall is about the same as Red.
Black is about the size of an average Knights of Columbus Hall
neighborhood swap meet. Brown Hall is about the same. Purple Hall is
like the two smaller halls attached in an offset manner.

All of those buildings are filled to overflowing with trains,
accessories, tools, clothing, vehicles, lighting gags, electronics,
train art, railroadiana, old stuff, new stuff, nearly every
manufacturer in the business, nrearly all the publishers of magazines,
guides and books. The authors, designers and geniuses behind the
electronic gear make a showing. They bring all their prototypes, test
designs and paint samples and they will talk to you and listen to your
input. It does not fall on deaf ears either. Designs change from
customer input.

Also, those halls are filled with 8 to 10 thousand people who love
trains and who even learn to like each other. Face to face there are
fewer misunderstandings than there are in e-mail, and once you meet a
guy, you'll have a new perspective when you next see him on line. We
laugh a lot, we talk much more, and we deal. There are amazing deals.

Please don't say you can't afford to go to York. As a train nut, you
can't afford to miss it. Sure, we East Coasters have an advantage in
that we can drive a few hours and sleep in our cars. But that's why I
can do York every year. You may not be able to come every time, but
you HAVE to come to Mecca at least once. If you keep saying "next
year" until you're 80, one year, next year won't come.

Plan your York trip now. You have 6 months. Fall York is the better
show anyway. The air is crisp and the frost settles on the fields
full of pumpkins. Christmas is coming soon, and the train spirits are
stirring from their long Summer's nap. Strasburg RR is a 45 minute
drive away and they run steam all day. The Toy Train Museum is next
to the Strasburg tracks as is the Choo-Choo barn, the Caboose Motel
and the RR Museum of Pennsylvania. If you come for the week, you can
take in all of this and the bandit meets as well. You will be
so "trained out" by the time you get home, your wife will be surprised
at how much time you are spending on other projects and chores while
you avoid your layout!

Besides, I want to see all you guys. I want to lead David Dewey into
the promised land! I want to see the look on Alex Sibbald's face as
he realizes that ALL those buildings contain trains. Who else is a
York virgin? Calling all virgins!! I want to despoil you all!

Now I'm ranting like Jay Walsh. But, my spelling is better.

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 44007 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/22/2007
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Digest Number 5587
In a message dated 4/22/2007 6:20:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
toytrains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Maybe the Lionel worker in the
morning had inhaled too much engine smoke.




Maybe the normal confusion they operate under???? Remember, this is the
outfit still trying to amortize the tooling for the stamped steel floor used in
most, if not ALL, American Flyer boxcars since 1948. Their new American
Flyer cars now say LIONEL, Made in China on them, NO mention of American Flyer
anywhere but the box.

Jim Lyle
Group: S-Trains Message: 44008 From: Rick Evans Date: 4/22/2007
Subject: York
Chris wrote:
"Please don't say you can't afford to go to York."

I can honestly say, without a shadow of a doubt, ......I can't afford to go to York.
I can barely afford staying home!!

:^)

Rick "Can ya spare a buck?' Evans.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44009 From: bphent Date: 4/22/2007
Subject: Scale-sized backdrop kits for S gauge
Hi Group;

Many of you probably already know from the product announcement and our
ad in S-Gaugian that we have recently introduced our first backdrop
scene specialy scaled for S ....
While a number of the other kits in our catalogue can "fit" S scale, we
are considering production of more kits in actual S, and would
appreciate some input.
We would like to hear from any "S" modellers who have had experience
with our products, and their results, and also recommendations for
types of scenes that are most needed.
Thanks in advance.

Les Mavor, Managing Director, BPH Enterprises
http://www.sceniking.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 44010 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/22/2007
Subject: Re: York Re-Cap
Chris,

Although, Neil Young did not make the York Meet this year, I was very surprised to hear on the way home from York, at a Sheetz gas station, on US 30, going west, just outside of York, a song from his new CD, Prairie Wind. O:)!

I highly recommend the CD and the DVD, of Prairie Wind, as it is very well done, and does mention a train in one song.

Mike Marmer

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:19 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] York Re-Cap


Just a footnote, while I'm thinking of it, now that I've had a night's
sleep.

Mel Nielsen said that Dave Avedesian's Big Boy would be the first to
ship. So Dave, congrats, you're next. About 2 weeks, I hear.

Neil Young was not at the meet. I checked with registration when I
arrived and they looked him up. He had not signed in as of half past
noon on Friday.

Tom Hodgson, American Hi-Rail, also was not at the meet. Last York he
was there (I got my Flying Yankee from him in the Fall.) He told me
then that he was going to retire from flying. I figured that would
give him time to devote more energy into train production, but he
didn't seem to think that was in his retirement plan. ?????????
All Tom Hodgson comments have to end in ?????????

More if anything else pops into my head. I'll try to make chat
tonight.

Chris Zizzo





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44011 From: knockbill Date: 4/23/2007
Subject: York
Hi,
Well the York week is over. I started Monday working in a couple
inches of wet, slushy snow... & the week ended in Spring time....
As was reported, the Holiday Inns were not as busy and continue to
decline, but the new fire house has the making of being a great
venue...
I set up there Tues PM and stayed tru Wed... There were Flyer, Marx
and even one L guy there, homemade food was great......We set up a
large oval on the stage, and had a smoking, chugging 302, 312 and
others running all the time,just stopping to re fill the smoke
fluid....it was a real test track,,,,,, I heard comments about it at
the fair grounds............

As usual I did most of my York "shopping" under thge tables... & came
out lots of Flyer, and some projects.....I'm still sorting it.....

Anyone ever repaint a 370? How did you remove the number boards &
headlight lens? I don't want to break them, as they are it great
shape...

Well, I'll have plenty of deals for the upcoming train meets.....&
met a couple of buddies I thought I lost to ebay,,,,I guess there is
nothing like York, everyone should get there at lease once....Is it
mentioned on the show,"1000 Places To See Before You Die"?....It
should be......
Thanks to Eastern Div for another great job,, see you in the fall....
John
Group: S-Trains Message: 44012 From: Mark Preman Date: 4/24/2007
Subject: Surprise Mid-Month List Update
Just got in a bunch of interesting kitbasher pieces in original boxes. I have post the boxes separately.

Here's a chance to get a pricey original accessory at a kitbasher price with time to get it ready for Christmas!

Click on this; http://www.americanflyertrains.com

Mark


Mark B. Preman
AmericanFlyerTrains.com

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Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44013 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 4/24/2007
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] York
Thanks John for the positive comments concerning the Springettsbury show.
We already have newcomers for next fall.

Many thanks to all, sellers and buyers alike. Both shows were huge
successes.

Fred



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44014 From: Donald Thompson Date: 4/24/2007
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism
We are back from Thailand & the York TCA Train Meet. I would like to
update everyone on several of our projects:
2-8-0 STATUS – The remaining engines arrived earlier this month. All
roadnames and roadnumbers (except for the code 110 MEC#2) are now in
stock. About half of the last batch were assembled as code 110. Except
for 3 Erie 2-8-0s, all of the code 110s ordered from our builder sold
out this past fall. But, we were able to have additional code 110
drivers and wheels produced so that more of these could be made from the
remaining inventory. A few roadnames and roadnumbers are in very short
supply in code 110 (B&O#3, NYC, MEC and UP for the code 110). Right now
the Tsunami DCC sound units are in stock.
http://www.showcaseline.com/Locos/2-8-0/2-8-0.html
2-8-0 PARTS – These are being made now and we hope to see them on the
June container. This includes the smoke units, 2-8-0 crew, 2-8-0 AF
comp. Couplers, etc.
TRACK – The container ship (Portland Senator) with our of stock straight
track (15”, 10” & 5”) and 30” radius curved track is scheduled to dock
in the Port of NY on May 9th. The #3 switches are going to leave this
weekend and are expected the end of May. With this run, we asked our
builder to lengthene the frog. They will now accommodate the pick up
shoes on AF diesels and steam engines. We had noticed some pitting on
the frog on earlier switches and believe this will prevent that.
DCC SOUND - We talked to Nancy of Soundtrax last week and she told me
the DSX sound units will be run the first week of May. Once we have
these, we will be able to start to ship the back ordered F units. We are
having a new interface board made for the switchers that will allow us
to directly plug in a DSX and Lenz silver deocoder. It was designed to
also accept the diesel Tsunami when they become available.
OPEN WAREHOUSE – This year’s open house will be June 8th and 9th. Please
RSVP so we have enough food.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44015 From: smarmaro Date: 4/24/2007
Subject: boys railroad club layout
thanks for the info on this layout. if anybody has any more contacts,
video or pictures of the boys rr club layout. please contact me

thanks
stephen



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wrote:
>
> I met a man today
> at the Toy Train Museum
> open house in Strasburg
> that is restoring one
> of the Boy's Club layouts.
> It is 8' x 16' with track and
> a mountain. He is working
> on accessories and transformers.
> His name is Fred Whitley.
>
> Glenn
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Preman
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:48 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re:boys railroad club layout
>
>
> Stephen,
> I sell the video which includes all of the Boy's Railroad Club
episodes. You can see it on my website at
http://www.americanflyertrains.com
> Mark
>
> Mark B. Preman
> AmericanFlyerTrains.com
>
> ---------------------------------
> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44016 From: Tim Brown Date: 4/24/2007
Subject: American S Gauge
At the TCA Train meet in York (York!), I bought a pair of American S
Gauge switches and a few 5 foot sections of their flex track. I like
the track. All my loci run well on it. I don't like the switches. I
think (my opinion) that the underneath electrical contacts will not
stand up well to the test of time. But, for the moment, that is
incidental. My 50+ year-old vintage Alci hang on the switches every
time. Pretty much anything I try to run with pick-up shoes hangs; or
maybe it's their sideframes and generally out-of-tolerance sloppiness
that causes it. I don't know and I don't care. Point is, I'm not
going to modify my motive power to run on them. Why should I have to?
IMHO, the switches should accommodate my motive power - given the
wheels are in gauge, and they roughly are - at least close enough for
50+ year-old Flyer switches to like them, mostly. And here is the key
word. Mostly. My 50+ year old Flyer switches like ALL my motive power
on a fickle basis. The American S Gauge switches I bought don't like
them, period. Maybe the newer stuff will run brilliantly on the
American S Gauge switches. I would like to hear from those who have
tried. This is my opinion after a limited testing. Has someone else
done more extensive testing? I could be wrong and for the sake of the
gauge, hope I am.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44017 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 4/25/2007
Subject: Non S items - adaptable to S
My Friend in S,

Barry McClelland of Railway Recollections (Ontario, Canada) has done it again - another 1:48 product that is useable in 1:64 - right out of the box!

A really cool little industrial narrow gauge critter - a BROOKVILLE.

Check this out!

http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/dmunseyjr/DCP_4347.JPG.html

The resin loco kit (3 pieces) is designed to fit the Bachmann N-scale plymouth chassis exactly (sold as On18, but really Sn22.7 -- GBG!) - but with a bit of shimming, I've put it on an old HO GE 44-ton power truck - instant Sn42!! For you Sn3 or Sn2 folks, with a bit of adaptation a NWSL PDT or a Black Beetle should fit easily.

Sorry, standard gaugers, the loco is only 7/8" wide, inside the frame.

ENJOY!!

Keep in touch!

Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@...
Sn42 and Hn42 river logging fan
Virginian Rwy fan
Bonsai grasshopper
Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44018 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/25/2007
Subject: Re: American S Gauge
Tim,

I did purchase at York, from Doug Peck enough track and switches to build a 12 x 8 foot layout soon. I have been waiting for the switches to finally come out for a few years.

I will have 14 switches on the layout.

I need to paint my basement first, so I hope to get this going in June.

But I did set up some track and switches on the floor, to see how the switches look and I did have a problem with my AF going through them, where S Helper and Lionel AF had no problems. I was told that the wheels need to be re-gauged on the AF.

I do not plan on running very much AF, since most of my AF is collector grade.

I do have one AF engine that I plan to use on the layout and Doug has that engine for some minor repairs and he will make sure the tender wheels are okay.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44019 From: Tim Brown Date: 4/25/2007
Subject: DCC
In my quest for more information particular to my own needs on DCC, I
learned the following: 1)Any robust power source will work just fine -
AC or DC. The idea is to have a higher amperage output from the
external power source than the command module needs, so the command
module is the limiting factor in the current draw; AND 2)Digitrax
systems do not adhere to NMRA standards. That may just be a
technicality for most of us. A side-by-side comparison can be see at
Tonystrains.com -
http://www.tonystrains.com/productcompare/dcccomparison.htm - I hope
their information is accurate. I do not know their source. I learned
from talking with an S-Helper rep that Lenz decoders do meet NMRA
standards and are the decoders S-Helper is using in their loci,
although they can obtain ones from Digitrax for anyone. Can anyone add
to or otherwise correct this information?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44020 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Re: DCC
In a message dated 4/25/2007 5:17:46 PM Central Daylight Time, Timboy@...
writes:

In my quest for more information particular to my own needs on DCC, I
learned the following: 1)Any robust power source will work just fine -
AC or DC. The idea is to have a higher amperage output from the
external power source than the command module needs, so the command
module is the limiting factor in the current draw; AND 2)Digitrax
systems do not adhere to NMRA standards. That may just be a
technicality for most of us. A side-by-side comparison can be see at
Tonystrains.Tonyst
_http://www.tonystrahttp://www.tonyshttp://www.tonyshttp://w_
(http://www.tonystrains.com/productcompare/dcccomparison.htm) - I hope
their information is accurate. I do not know their source. I learned
from talking with an S-Helper rep that Lenz decoders do meet NMRA
standards and are the decoders S-Helper is using in their loci,
although they can obtain ones from Digitrax for anyone. Can anyone add
to or otherwise correct this information?
----------------------------------
I am still very much a novice DCC user trying to learn more. About 3 weeks
ago I joined all the DCC Yahoo groups I could find, thinking I could learn
from reading the messages. Its guess I want a quick fix to avoid the study I
need to do. I have been disappointed. First, until I do the study, I cannot
understand a lot of the terminology. Second, I have observed that there are a
lot of opinionated and argumentative (I confess I am guilty of both qualities)
DCC users of many persuasions, often contradictory. Having already admitted
that I don't know enough about the subject to give anything even resembling an
expert opinion, let me say that I am very skeptical about much of what is
written on the DCC Yahoo emails. I thought that we S gaugers were pretty bad:
Scalers vs. Highrailers, AF collectors vs operators. But we do not even compare
to those on the DCC groups. I have read a lot of the emails hashing out
subjects like "Is it true that Lenz owns the NMRA?" or "Digitrax (or maybe it was
Lenz) does not conform to DCC standards". And the number of emails on
individual subjects seems to never end until a moderator finally says STOP! My
impression is that the claims on such subjects depend too much on semantics and
technicalities that many DCC users are never going to experience. But maybe in
a year or two I will have a different opinion. One thing for sure, I greatly
underestimated the complexity of DCC which probably means I greatly
underestimated its potential. We are lucky in S gauge to have people like Bill Clark
on this list to turn to when we need help.
-
- Earl Henry, Nashville



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44021 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: RE;American S Gauge
All my track is S Helper Service sectional or flex track now. I have
several old Flyer locos, a Flynel Docksider, and several Putt/Rex
locos. I run a mix of old Flyer, Flyonel, SHS, American Models, S
Gauge America, and a few scratchbuilt cars, both freight and passenger.
So far ALL of this equipment runs very well on the SHS track. I
even run a 343 0-8-0 on the flex down to 15" radius curves with no
problem. I'm totally sold on the quality and performance pf the S
Helper Service track, and have collected a fair stock pile to start a
bigger layout.
Stumpy Stone...back on line after over a week of silence...in Ahia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44022 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Interesting Quote From an eBay Auction
Oops!

LOL

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: bigo426
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:52 PM
Subject: [toytrains] Interesting Quote From an eBay Auction


The below certainly makes for interesting thought.
From auction no. 260111045803
http://cgi.ebay.com/Lionel-Engine-247_W0QQitemZ260111045803
Paul Olekson

"I have found these Lionel items at a local auction
and am eager to put them up for auction. I want to
get them out of the house as my better half did not
want me to bid on them in the first place and states
there presents in the spare bed room is not good for
my day or night activities with her."





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44023 From: David Engle Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Looking for Someone
This is for anyone living anywhere near Horsham, Pennsylvania;

I work another mailing list in the railroading venue; and I recently have mail returns from William A. Marschall, Dresher Road, Horsham. I cannot find a newer address on him. Frankly, I fear he has passed away and would like to confirm that if such is the case. He originally was a Rock Island engineer out of Chicago, but, IIRC, he retired off the SEPTA transit system. If there is someone who could conveniently check listings within the past 6 months or so, and get back to me off list, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Much, guys

David J. Engle
Sec./Treas., RITS
Kansas City

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44024 From: Tim Brown Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: Home-built S-gauge switches
I'm experimenting with building my own S-gauge switches with a 54"
diameter curved section per Richard L Reichard's manual - using vintage
Flyer rails. I bought it at York recently. If successful, I'll post a
few pics. I won't be able to reproduce the manual however, due to
copyright laws. If anyone would like to contact him to purchase their
own copy of either his switch or crossover builder's manual, his email
address is: rlraub@... His TCA number is 76-09747. This
information is on his business card. The switch manual sold for $18
and the crossover manual for $15 at York. IMHO, both are bargains when
you consider the work this man has gone through to make them and what
one can learn from working through them. I'm not his agent, tho - just
a customer. I would like to see a posting and pics if anyone has
successfully home-built an S-gauge switch using Richard's or any other
technique.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44025 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/26/2007
Subject: American S Gauge
One of the things I got at York last week was a ton of American S Gauge track for a 12 x 8 foot layout, which will have 14 switches.

I hope to start the layout in June, as I need to paint the basement first.

But I put on the floor two switches together for a parallel line, as I just learn, after all this years, that you can use one controller for two switches.

Well, one switch started to over heat and caused both switches to melt the cover to the solenoid and one switch was now stuck in operating mode. Not a good sign.

I emailed Nick of Classic Trains and he did not understand what happen either.

And I was having problems with some AF going through the frog of the switch.

I waited several years for these switches to come out and now this.

Nick was very responsive and we had several emails about things. He even put some pictures of some of the track work on my floor on his website.

Then today, I tried some more switches with two parallel lines. Everything worked fine! Except for the wheels on some AF.

Then tonight, I went to show my wife the operation of the switches and then the same thing happen. Burn out! I sent Nick a email again about this, as I was getting pretty distraught, as I just spent over 1000 on this track.

Tom, Nick's brother wrote me back for a phone number where he can call me.

He called and told me that they did some testing on the switches with the controller and it turns out that the amperage is too high to run two switches on controller. So it will have to be one controller for one switch. That is fine, since that is how I ran HO trains as a kid, as I never knew this until I read a Atlas book I have, about two switches for one controller.

And he explain to me, how to take a dime to gauge the wheels.

So, I tried again, one controller one switch and gauged the AF wheels with the dime and every thing works GREAT!

I had a AF Hudson at high speed with 5 cars going through the switches with no problems.

This is a learning experience for me and maybe for Nick and Tom.

I really appreciate Tom calling, as this is something you do not get with larger companies whether trains or anything else.

The track and switches are good.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44026 From: sd3r Date: 4/27/2007
Subject: 660 car refurbish
hello...

i recently picked up some 660 series cars. the cars are in great
shape, but the window silhouette strips are in need of help (warped,
cracked). are repo replacements available?

also, behind the plastic strips there was some paper that looks like
it might have been used to soften the single bulb illumination. is
that an original part? or would it maybe have been an add-in by the
previous owner. they look semi-homemade, but they also show age of
perhaps being original equipment.

appreciate the help...
...gary
Group: S-Trains Message: 44027 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/27/2007
Subject: Re: American S Gauge
Dumb QUESTION...... Since AF track and switches work really well after all these years...... Why change..... I have decided that my new layout will be AF with rubber roadbed..... Its all available an inexpensive..... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; Ralph Loveless
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 9:54 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] American S Gauge


One of the things I got at York last week was a ton of American S Gauge track for a 12 x 8 foot layout, which will have 14 switches.

I hope to start the layout in June, as I need to paint the basement first.

But I put on the floor two switches together for a parallel line, as I just learn, after all this years, that you can use one controller for two switches.

Well, one switch started to over heat and caused both switches to melt the cover to the solenoid and one switch was now stuck in operating mode. Not a good sign.

I emailed Nick of Classic Trains and he did not understand what happen either.

And I was having problems with some AF going through the frog of the switch.

I waited several years for these switches to come out and now this.

Nick was very responsive and we had several emails about things. He even put some pictures of some of the track work on my floor on his website.

Then today, I tried some more switches with two parallel lines. Everything worked fine! Except for the wheels on some AF.

Then tonight, I went to show my wife the operation of the switches and then the same thing happen. Burn out! I sent Nick a email again about this, as I was getting pretty distraught, as I just spent over 1000 on this track.

Tom, Nick's brother wrote me back for a phone number where he can call me.

He called and told me that they did some testing on the switches with the controller and it turns out that the amperage is too high to run two switches on controller. So it will have to be one controller for one switch. That is fine, since that is how I ran HO trains as a kid, as I never knew this until I read a Atlas book I have, about two switches for one controller.

And he explain to me, how to take a dime to gauge the wheels.

So, I tried again, one controller one switch and gauged the AF wheels with the dime and every thing works GREAT!

I had a AF Hudson at high speed with 5 cars going through the switches with no problems.

This is a learning experience for me and maybe for Nick and Tom.

I really appreciate Tom calling, as this is something you do not get with larger companies whether trains or anything else.

The track and switches are good.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44028 From: John Gibson Date: 4/27/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3653
> 1a. Re: DCC
> Posted by: "tennsgauge@..."
> tennsgauge@... tennsgauger
> Date: Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:05 am ((PDT))
>
> In a message dated 4/25/2007 5:17:46 PM Central
> Daylight Time, Timboy@...
> writes:
>
> In my quest for more information particular to my
> own needs on DCC, I
> SNIP
=======================================================

Greetings:

For general information about DCC, I highly recomend
the following internet sites:

www.litchfieldstation.com
www.loystoys.com
www.tonystrains.com
www.wiringfordcc.com

I would start here before joining any yahoo DCC
groups.

Two other pieces of advice that I found tremendously
helpful are to (1) try all the systems you can get
your hands on, and (2) purchase the system used by the
most operators in your area - they can serve as your
local technical support.

DCC is not difficult to understand or use; it is new
(relatively speaking) which means there are new things
to learn.

Once I ran the DCC SHS F-3's with lights and sound, I
was hooked. The DCC 2-8-0 is incredible!!!!!!!! It
is worth going to DCC just to be able to own and
operate that loco.

Hope this helps.

John Gibson
Rocklin, CA

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44029 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 4/27/2007
Subject: Re: 660 car refurbish
Hi Gary,

Try Doug Peck at www.portlines.com for repros and yes, the paper is an
original part. Good luck on the restoration.


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sd3r" <archie-the-cat@...> wrote:
>
> hello...
>
> i recently picked up some 660 series cars. the cars are in great
> shape, but the window silhouette strips are in need of help (warped,
> cracked). are repo replacements available?
>
> also, behind the plastic strips there was some paper that looks like
> it might have been used to soften the single bulb illumination. is
> that an original part? or would it maybe have been an add-in by the
> previous owner. they look semi-homemade, but they also show age of
> perhaps being original equipment.
>
> appreciate the help...
> ...gary
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44030 From: Tim Brown Date: 4/27/2007
Subject: Re: American S Gauge
Gang,

Please excuse me if I'm not hitting the correct reply button. It's
been a while. However, the reason I want to change from a stock
vintage Flyer switch to some other switch is because, although the
vintage Flyer switches do perform FAIRLY well with a variety of
motive power, they don't perform as well as I'd like them to. I can
trace 90+% of my derailments (other than human error) to vintage
Flyer switch problems. When I see HO & N gauge pikes perform
flawlessly through their turnouts, I think that should also be the
standard for our gauge. When I say "flawlessly", I not only mean
making it through the switch without hanging, but also not operating
in a jerking or toy-like fashion either. Take a Flyer steamer with a
new can motor that has a flywheel. Run it down a long section of
straight track. See how smoothly it runs. It should also run that
smoothly through Flyer switches every single time. That's the gold
standard. I do not want to settle for less. I have severely cut
down Flyer switches to make the curved section kinder and gentler.
Nice improvement. Still not good enough. I want the same frog
design as the vintage Flyer switches with at LEAST at 54" diameter
curved section or better. I want three-ways. I want curve-on-
curve. I want wyes. I want double-slips. I want my old Flyer
trains to run as smoothly as HO or N or "gasp" O gauge trains, even
if I have to learn how to hand-make the switches I want. However, I
don't want to pay thousands of dollars for either an all-new track
system or mint Flyer trackage - which I suspect will operate closer
to the gold standard. So. I experiment and experiment some more and
find subtle and profound ways to make my old toy Flyer trains run to
the prototypical gold standard I have set. That is my dilemma and
that is my quest and I believe it is all doable with mostly vintage
parts at hand. The only limiting factors so far are my imagination
and ability.


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...>
wrote:
>
> Dumb QUESTION...... Since AF track and switches work really well
after all these years...... Why change..... I have decided that my
new layout will be AF with rubber roadbed..... Its all available an
inexpensive..... Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael and Linda Marmer
> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; Ralph Loveless
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 9:54 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] American S Gauge
>
>
> One of the things I got at York last week was a ton of American S
Gauge track for a 12 x 8 foot layout, which will have 14 switches.
>
> I hope to start the layout in June, as I need to paint the
basement first.
>
> But I put on the floor two switches together for a parallel line,
as I just learn, after all this years, that you can use one
controller for two switches.
>
> Well, one switch started to over heat and caused both switches to
melt the cover to the solenoid and one switch was now stuck in
operating mode. Not a good sign.
>
> I emailed Nick of Classic Trains and he did not understand what
happen either.
>
> And I was having problems with some AF going through the frog of
the switch.
>
> I waited several years for these switches to come out and now
this.
>
> Nick was very responsive and we had several emails about things.
He even put some pictures of some of the track work on my floor on
his website.
>
> Then today, I tried some more switches with two parallel lines.
Everything worked fine! Except for the wheels on some AF.
>
> Then tonight, I went to show my wife the operation of the
switches and then the same thing happen. Burn out! I sent Nick a
email again about this, as I was getting pretty distraught, as I just
spent over 1000 on this track.
>
> Tom, Nick's brother wrote me back for a phone number where he can
call me.
>
> He called and told me that they did some testing on the switches
with the controller and it turns out that the amperage is too high to
run two switches on controller. So it will have to be one controller
for one switch. That is fine, since that is how I ran HO trains as a
kid, as I never knew this until I read a Atlas book I have, about two
switches for one controller.
>
> And he explain to me, how to take a dime to gauge the wheels.
>
> So, I tried again, one controller one switch and gauged the AF
wheels with the dime and every thing works GREAT!
>
> I had a AF Hudson at high speed with 5 cars going through the
switches with no problems.
>
> This is a learning experience for me and maybe for Nick and Tom.
>
> I really appreciate Tom calling, as this is something you do not
get with larger companies whether trains or anything else.
>
> The track and switches are good.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44031 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 4/27/2007
Subject: Re: American S Gauge
In a message dated 4/27/2007 3:54:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
rcon7@... writes:

Dumb QUESTION....Dumb QUESTION....<WBR>.. Since AF track and switches work
really well after all these years...... Why change..... I have decided that my
new layout will be AF with rubber roadbed..... Its all avaDumb QUE
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------
Bob, I respect your opinion even though I have a different perception of
American Flyer track. I am glad your AF track and switches work really well. -
-

To me switches are one of the two weakest links in the AF system. (Reverse
units are the other weak link). -
-
About the switches. I have always experienced way too many derailments
using AF switches. In other words, my perception is something different about
how well AF track and switches work. I would still consider them for a child's
layout because they are easy for children to put together and operate. But a
lot of us adults are never going to be satisfied with operation of AF
switches. -
-
I know there are a lot of you AF experts who have learned know how to make
adjustments to AF switches and you do a good job of keeping the wheels on the
locos and rolling stock adjusted. But for me the operation of AF switches will
always be too IFFY.-
-
Today I primarily own AM and SHS locos and rolling stock. But if these
products had not become available, I would still be happy running pure AF trains.
But I would forever be looking for better switches. Appearance is important
to me but operation is the compelling reason to seek something better. I am
still in a quandary as to which alternative is best for me: AM, SHS, ASG, Tom's
turnouts, but AF switches (and track) cannot compete with any of them in
operation or appearance. -
-
Just my opinion. -
-
Earl Henry, Nashville
Group: S-Trains Message: 44032 From: LARRY MOORE Date: 4/27/2007
Subject: 751/751A log loader
To the group, I am still furthuring my ACG education and need more
assistance. I just acquired a 751 log loader, and have 2 questions regarding
it. The date stamp on the bottom is Jun 51 and that would make it a 751A
according to Greenburg guide. My inquiry is ,what is the difference between
a 751 and a 751A? I already had the unloading car, but no logs. Next
question, what is the proper size dowel I need to make my repro logs? I
tried a 7/8" and it will hold in the cradle but seems to be just a little
loose. Does it need to be 1"? Thanks in advance, Larry
Group: S-Trains Message: 44033 From: Donald Thompson Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3653
Dear John,
Since we bundled our DCC Tsunami 2-8-0 with the Lenz DCC system, the
majority of these we sell are to AF guys, not code 110.
Best,
Don

John Gibson wrote:

> The DCC 2-8-0 is incredible!!!!!!!! It is worth going to DCC just to
> be able to own and operate that loco.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> John Gibson
> Rocklin, CA
>
> .
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44034 From: roy inman Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: Re: American S Gauge
No dumb questions of course.

Can't speak for others but for me the reasons to use ASG track/switches are
that I can run any wheelsets I like, with any amount of overhang and, to my
eye at least, the ASG looks more realistic. It also comes in flex track so I
can make whatever curvature I want coming off my KCS concrete arch bridge
for instance. I have some S stuff that has scale wheelsets and some that has
Flyer and its variations. My newer LAF Northern has trouble negotiating old
Flyer (narrow radius) track.

In other words, for me, the ASG has more flexibility than fixed radius AF
track, and it has an appealing, scale-like appearance.

Then too, I am not much of a tinkerer when it comes to vintage equipment.
Many of the old AF switches are 50 years old, + or- and require more
refurbishing than I have patience for. I saw Mike's post about his initial
problems with the switches, but the real problem was in the out of gauge
older stuff, not in the new ASG, and in how he had a couple of switches
hooked up. He apparently got all that fixed. I have admiration for those who
can tweak, cajole, fiddle and make older stuff work. I am just not among
'em.

Having said that, I personally love the look of a genuine toy train layout
with AF track and roadbed and the old stuff running around.

And now that Lionel is producing the K-LIne version of the wide radius
AF-ish track, I suspect that more operators will be using it.

Cheers :)

Roy Inman

From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...>
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:43:38 -0400
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com, Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, Ralph
Loveless <ralcor888@...>, Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American S Gauge


Dumb QUESTION...... Since AF track and switches work really well after all
these years...... Why change..... I have decided that my new layout will be
AF with rubber roadbed..... Its all available an inexpensive..... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com> ; Toy
Trains ; Ralph Loveless
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 9:54 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] American S Gauge

One of the things I got at York last week was a ton of American S Gauge
track for a 12 x 8 foot layout, which will have 14 switches.

I hope to start the layout in June, as I need to paint the basement first.

But I put on the floor two switches together for a parallel line, as I just
learn, after all this years, that you can use one controller for two
switches.

Well, one switch started to over heat and caused both switches to melt the
cover to the solenoid and one switch was now stuck in operating mode. Not a
good sign.

I emailed Nick of Classic Trains and he did not understand what happen
either.

And I was having problems with some AF going through the frog of the switch.

I waited several years for these switches to come out and now this.

Nick was very responsive and we had several emails about things. He even put
some pictures of some of the track work on my floor on his website.

Then today, I tried some more switches with two parallel lines. Everything
worked fine! Except for the wheels on some AF.

Then tonight, I went to show my wife the operation of the switches and then
the same thing happen. Burn out! I sent Nick a email again about this, as I
was getting pretty distraught, as I just spent over 1000 on this track.

Tom, Nick's brother wrote me back for a phone number where he can call me.

He called and told me that they did some testing on the switches with the
controller and it turns out that the amperage is too high to run two
switches on controller. So it will have to be one controller for one switch.
That is fine, since that is how I ran HO trains as a kid, as I never knew
this until I read a Atlas book I have, about two switches for one
controller.

And he explain to me, how to take a dime to gauge the wheels.

So, I tried again, one controller one switch and gauged the AF wheels with
the dime and every thing works GREAT!

I had a AF Hudson at high speed with 5 cars going through the switches with
no problems.

This is a learning experience for me and maybe for Nick and Tom.

I really appreciate Tom calling, as this is something you do not get with
larger companies whether trains or anything else.

The track and switches are good.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44035 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: Re: American S Gauge
MIKE...... I too have lots of track and roadbed..... When I was a kid I got some code 172 solid rail and Atlas?? wood roadbed..... I loved it and would like it now..... But it appears problems are appearing with the new stuff and the old AF.... I did have a "Y" when I was young as I made it... Don't get me wrong, I will still look at the new stuff.... But it needs to be AF friendly too..... I do have lots of the new stuff too, but only run the new Flyonel.... Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44036 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: Re: American S Gauge
Bob,

Nothing wrong with Flyer track, as that is what I was going to use, as I have a ton of it I need to get rid of now. Allot of it in E+ to LN condition.

I decided that I wanted something a bit more realistic looking and solid rail.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; Ralph Loveless ; Michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American S Gauge


Dumb QUESTION...... Since AF track and switches work really well after all these years...... Why change..... I have decided that my new layout will be AF with rubber roadbed..... Its all available an inexpensive.... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; Ralph Loveless
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 9:54 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] American S Gauge


One of the things I got at York last week was a ton of American S Gauge track for a 12 x 8 foot layout, which will have 14 switches.

I hope to start the layout in June, as I need to paint the basement first.

But I put on the floor two switches together for a parallel line, as I just learn, after all this years, that you can use one controller for two switches.

Well, one switch started to over heat and caused both switches to melt the cover to the solenoid and one switch was now stuck in operating mode. Not a good sign.

I emailed Nick of Classic Trains and he did not understand what happen either.

And I was having problems with some AF going through the frog of the switch.

I waited several years for these switches to come out and now this.

Nick was very responsive and we had several emails about things. He even put some pictures of some of the track work on my floor on his website.

Then today, I tried some more switches with two parallel lines. Everything worked fine! Except for the wheels on some AF.

Then tonight, I went to show my wife the operation of the switches and then the same thing happen. Burn out! I sent Nick a email again about this, as I was getting pretty distraught, as I just spent over 1000 on this track.

Tom, Nick's brother wrote me back for a phone number where he can call me.

He called and told me that they did some testing on the switches with the controller and it turns out that the amperage is too high to run two switches on controller. So it will have to be one controller for one switch. That is fine, since that is how I ran HO trains as a kid, as I never knew this until I read a Atlas book I have, about two switches for one controller.

And he explain to me, how to take a dime to gauge the wheels.

So, I tried again, one controller one switch and gauged the AF wheels with the dime and every thing works GREAT!

I had a AF Hudson at high speed with 5 cars going through the switches with no problems.

This is a learning experience for me and maybe for Nick and Tom.

I really appreciate Tom calling, as this is something you do not get with larger companies whether trains or anything else.

The track and switches are good.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44037 From: Chris Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: Re: American S Gauge
Re: "Dumb Question"

American Flyer traditional track is worn, comes in 10" sections,
requires pinning, looks unrealistic, can only handle hi-rail flanges,
comes in one radius (well two, if you include the K-Line wides), has
one switch number, cannot pass long cars over switches without
solenoid collisions, has those 4 ties, is way too tall, has become way
too expensive, especially for the roadbed, and it rusts too easily.

Other track, like American "S", is all of the other side of the
story. It's new, handsome, looks real, comes in lengths, has
realistic ties, can be flex bent, has a choice of real looking
switches in various radii, doesn't corrode, conducts better and is
relatively easy to install.

Flyer track can be mated to the new stuff, so you can use it in hidden
areas like tunnels and hidden storage tracks and yards. Installed
right the new stuff should be the end of track being the weakest link.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44038 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: Re: American S Gauge
Bob,

The ASG track is very friendly to old AF once you get the wheels in gauge with the dime.

Putting the dime between the wheels, 1O1, like that solves the problem.

I don't plan on running very much old AF since most of mine is collector grade. I will run my 20740 set from 1958 for the grand opening however, as I did not really have much AF as a kid, only that set, as I got into HO in the 1960's.

Again, I was torn about using AF track, but we all have our preferences, as I completely respect you and anyone else who wants to use old AF track.

I think I am going to be real happy with the ASG now that I got those problems worked out.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER
To: Michael and Linda Marmer ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American S Gauge


MIKE...... I too have lots of track and roadbed..... When I was a kid I got some code 172 solid rail and Atlas?? wood roadbed..... I loved it and would like it now..... But it appears problems are appearing with the new stuff and the old AF.... I did have a "Y" when I was young as I made it... Don't get me wrong, I will still look at the new stuff.... But it needs to be AF friendly too..... I do have lots of the new stuff too, but only run the new Flyonel.... Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44039 From: sd3r Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: Re: 660 car refurbish
thanks to all for your emails.
ordered the replacement window silhouette strips and will reinstall
the original paper shrouds.

the classic Super Chief will live again!
cheers...gary

=====+++=====
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Daryl Olszeski" <jaytewilli@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Gary,
>
> Try Doug Peck at www.portlines.com for repros and yes, the paper is an
> original part. Good luck on the restoration.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44040 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: A track and switch perspective...
I had American Flyer trains as a child, tried other scales, came
back, left again, and came back. Each time I returned to Flyer, I
used old Flyer track or Gargraves track and American Flyer switches.
Then I discovered some of the other brands of track through the
hobby shop I work part time at and sampled them. I decided to go
with the S Helper Service track, especially the switches with the
moving frog.
I have an odd mix of equipment, some old Flyer, Flyonel, Putt/Rex,
SHS, American Models, S Gauge America, and scratchbuilt. I also have
been building small, portable, display layouts, some with 15" radius
curves using flex track. Everything runs on this track.
However, having explained all that, I still have the occassional
derailment, mostly due to Engineer Stumpy doing something stupid.
And guess what, that is prototypical! I have a couple of friends who
work for CSX and NS, and they have derailments too!
So no matter which track is your favorite, always remember that
derailments are part of railroading. If the real railroads are
having trouble with a particular area of track, they repair it or
replace it. We can do the same thing, all is not lost!
Have fun playing with trains!
Stumpy Stone...still playing with trains after all these
years...in Ahia.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44042 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: Re: American S Gauge
Bob,

The ASG track is very friendly to old AF once you get the wheels in gauge with the dime.

Putting the dime between the wheels, 1O1, like that solves the problem.

I don't plan on running very much old AF since most of mine is collector grade. I will run my 20740 set from 1958 for the grand opening however, as I did not really have much AF as a kid, only that set, as I got into HO in the 1960's.

Again, I was torn about using AF track, but we all have our preferences, as I completely respect you and anyone else who wants to use old AF track.

I think I am going to be real happy with the ASG now that I got those problems worked out.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER
To: Michael and Linda Marmer ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American S Gauge


MIKE...... I too have lots of track and roadbed..... When I was a kid I got some code 172 solid rail and Atlas?? wood roadbed..... I loved it and would like it now..... But it appears problems are appearing with the new stuff and the old AF.... I did have a "Y" when I was young as I made it... Don't get me wrong, I will still look at the new stuff... But it needs to be AF friendly too..... I do have lots of the new stuff too, but only run the new Flyonel.... Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44043 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: Re: American S Gauge
MIKE.... Please send me a link to thier site...... Like I said I had code 172 Brass rail in some places as a kid.... I too can put together a train of just a few cars and engine..... AND SHUDDER AT THE THOUGHT OF 10,000 hitting the floor! While I like AF I am still open to anything better as I would like to run some of my newer stuff..... Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44044 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: HORROR STORIES AT YORK... way off topis
Guys and Gals
I guess by now most of you have heard of my experience with the Super 8 Motel and I was wondering if any others had bad experiences......
Mine was that after paying for 5 nights thay wanted to throw me out after I stayed 3..... They relented and let me stay 1 more.... TOTAL 4 nights...... charged for 5 or 6 depending on the invoicings.
Another fellow checked in there - Super 8..... Dirty room.
Days inn.... Overbooked and turned paid in advance guests away..... the one I met at the red hall had to stay in his car.
Bob Conner

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44045 From: David Dewey Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: 660 car refurbish--and all steamline cars
Yes, ACG put paper difusers in their passenger cars. For the streamline
cars, I like to replace it with the blue paper laundries use (or used to) as
I think it gives a more realistic "tinted window" look that the streamline
cars had--also, much of the nightime illumination was flourcent lighting,
with a bluish cast. Try it, it's easily reverersable!
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44046 From: Donald Thompson Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: Re: HORROR STORIES AT YORK... way off topis
Dear Bob,
A few years ago Robin went in to the Four Points Sheraton to get the
two rooms we had reserved the previous York. They told us we only
reserved one. Robin insisted they dig out the original paper work. It
showed two rooms just like the confirmation. They said they were sold
out and too bad. We have been staying at the Hampton in Shrewsbury, PA
ever since.
Don

ROBERT ALLEN CONNER wrote:

> ... I was wondering if any others had bad experiences.....
>
> .



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44047 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: HORROR STORIES AT YORK... way off topis
WE HAVE BEEN STAYING AT THE HAMPTON IN HANOVER FOR YEARS. TOP NOTCH, THEY
TREAT US LIKE KINGS AND THEY ALSO HAVE A GREAT BREAKFAST . CHOC. MINT AND
BOTTLE OF WATER ON THE BED WHEN WE RETURN EACH EVENING. ALSO A FRIG.,MICROWAVE
w(popcorn each night), COFFE MAKER. ALL FOR $95 A NIGHT.ALL WELL WORTH IT.
THERE ARE AMNY TCA MEMBERS THERE WITH A NUMBER OF AF COLLECTORS IN THE BUNCH.

HARWOOD
Group: S-Trains Message: 44048 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/28/2007
Subject: Re: HORROR STORIES AT YORK... way off topis
Anyone having verifiable problems with the York motels should contact
Eastern Div, who can then contact the Tourist Bureau. The Eastern Div has been
known to have "conversations" with the "powers that be" in York over such
circumstances. Those conversations normally produce results. SOME people in York
realize what is at stake.

Jim Lyle
Group: S-Trains Message: 44049 From: geep39 Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Re: Horror Stories @ York-'way off topic
Yeesh!
You would think that for the way they GOUGE Train Meet attendees in
the York area, you would get better treatment!

I even saw the sign that shows room rates at the Red Roof Inn change
from $49.00 to $98.00 right before my eyes!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44050 From: Phil K Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: York attendance
I heard from a clubmember who was at York that the attendance was down
from the usual 18,000 to 20,000 to only about 14,000.

Is this true?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44051 From: Tim Brown Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Modelling Supplies
Does anyone know where I can buy (either online or walk-in store) small
(arts 'n crafts size) sheets (10"X12" or less) of 1/8" plastic (any
color) as a modeling or a hobby supply. I tried every Google hobby
search I could think of with no success. Lowes sells acrylic sheets,
but I think that would be too brittle. What I'm looking for would be
more like styrene sheets of 1/8" thickness that I could cut, drill and
tap with minimal or no cracking. I don't want any kind of texture on
the sheet. I've found all the brick, stone, corrugated, etc. stuff out
there and that's not what I'm looking for.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44052 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Re;Modeling Supplies (plastic)
Try Plastruct www.plastruct.com for ALL kinds of plastic! Sheets,
tubes, angles, channels, shapes, figures, vehicles, pipe fittings,
different types of plastic!
I deal with them from time to time, and they are a good outfit.
If you do scratchbuilding or kitbashing, Micro Mark is another good
supplier you should know about.
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Ahia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44053 From: Bill Porter Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Re: Modelling Supplies
Hi Tim,



I have used the clear sheet plastic from the building supply stores and it
has worked well for me. To avoid the risk of cracking, go slow. Drill pilot
holes if you need to make large diameter holes. Back the tap off ¼ turn for
every ½ turn forward and be sure to drill a large enough hole so that the
tap is not boring a hole for you. I find that if I treat the glazing plastic
as if it was metal, I get very good results.



That being said, most larger cities have a plastic seller. Look in the
yellow pages for Modern Plastics or Glue Products or something like that. If
you lived here in Florida, I know that Glue Products sells that stuff and
has a couple of offices around the State.



Good Luck,

Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Tim Brown
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 10:45 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Modelling Supplies



Does anyone know where I can buy (either online or walk-in store) small
(arts 'n crafts size) sheets (10"X12" or less) of 1/8" plastic (any
color) as a modeling or a hobby supply. I tried every Google hobby
search I could think of with no success. Lowes sells acrylic sheets,
but I think that would be too brittle. What I'm looking for would be
more like styrene sheets of 1/8" thickness that I could cut, drill and
tap with minimal or no cracking. I don't want any kind of texture on
the sheet. I've found all the brick, stone, corrugated, etc. stuff out
there and that's not what I'm looking for.

___



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44054 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Re: Modelling Supplies
Tim,

Have you tried a sign shop? A good sign shop uses many different materials these days including plastics. If you can find sheets of Lexan you will be able to drill it and even bend it in a sheet metal brake.

Also try a photo shop or frame shop. I have seen thin plastic sheets of board to mount photos or drawings on. There is a company in our area that make al ltypes of stuff out of Plexiglas and other plastics. I have bought 4 x 8 sheets of 1/8 inch Lexan from them. I'm sure a company like that would have small "scrap" pieces around.

Let me know off list if you would like me to try to get some small sheets of Lexan for you.

Mark Anderman


-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...>
> Does anyone know where I can buy (either online or walk-in store) small
> (arts 'n crafts size) sheets (10"X12" or less) of 1/8" plastic (any
> color) as a modeling or a hobby supply. I tried every Google hobby
> search I could think of with no success. Lowes sells acrylic sheets,
> but I think that would be too brittle. What I'm looking for would be
> more like styrene sheets of 1/8" thickness that I could cut, drill and
> tap with minimal or no cracking. I don't want any kind of texture on
> the sheet. I've found all the brick, stone, corrugated, etc. stuff out
> there and that's not what I'm looking for.
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44055 From: jacmarsh2 Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Thanks for the wealth onf information
I have received an old American Flyer train set from an Aunt and was
hoping to set it up. After searching the internet, I found this group.
I have spend a few hours researching the old posts and reading a lot of
information from the links provided. And I wanted to thank you all for
the information. I was able to see that this is way beyond what I can
do or have time to invest in. I've listed the items on eBay and
hopefully someone with your kind of passion will win them.

Thanks again!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44056 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Re: York attendance
YES...... The holidrome was only about 1/2 full outside on Wed..... Friday seemed to be the biggest as the were parking cars in the racetrack area..... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil K
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 9:16 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] York attendance


I heard from a clubmember who was at York that the attendance was down
from the usual 18,000 to 20,000 to only about 14,000.

Is this true?





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44057 From: Tim Brown Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Re: Modelling Supplies
Hi All,

Here is what I ordered: http://www.tapplastics.com/shop/product.php?
pid=336&

If this link doesn't work well for some odd reason, simply
Google "Tap Plastic" and look at HDPE sheets under "plastic sheets
and rolls".

It's the same material used in commercial cutting boards, but with a
smooth texture. I believe it is just soft enough to accept sawing,
drilling, tapping, gluing, etc. without the risk of chipping or
flaking.

I'll let the list know how this all works out by posting pics, etc.
I'm using the plastic to build a housing for a switch motor I will
hand-wind. The interesting thing about the plans I have for this
switch motor is that it uses a cam and spring to maintain pressure on
the frog. I saw them demonstrated at York.

Thanks,
Tim




--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Tim,
>
>
>
> I have used the clear sheet plastic from the building supply stores
and it
> has worked well for me. To avoid the risk of cracking, go slow.
Drill pilot
> holes if you need to make large diameter holes. Back the tap off ¼
turn for
> every ½ turn forward and be sure to drill a large enough hole so
that the
> tap is not boring a hole for you. I find that if I treat the
glazing plastic
> as if it was metal, I get very good results.
>
>
>
> That being said, most larger cities have a plastic seller. Look in
the
> yellow pages for Modern Plastics or Glue Products or something like
that. If
> you lived here in Florida, I know that Glue Products sells that
stuff and
> has a couple of offices around the State.
>
>
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> Reply from Bill Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Tim Brown
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 10:45 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Modelling Supplies
>
>
>
> Does anyone know where I can buy (either online or walk-in store)
small
> (arts 'n crafts size) sheets (10"X12" or less) of 1/8" plastic (any
> color) as a modeling or a hobby supply. I tried every Google hobby
> search I could think of with no success. Lowes sells acrylic
sheets,
> but I think that would be too brittle. What I'm looking for would
be
> more like styrene sheets of 1/8" thickness that I could cut, drill
and
> tap with minimal or no cracking. I don't want any kind of texture
on
> the sheet. I've found all the brick, stone, corrugated, etc. stuff
out
> there and that's not what I'm looking for.
>
> ___
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44058 From: RCESpeak Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: York Trip Report
Hi All,

Well, after driving home from my sister's which was a post-York
visit, and getting caught up a bit, I have had time to reflect on
this past York.

As usual it was fun seeing everyone again. I missed York last
October so it was especially good to get back there again.

Purchases were nothing big but mostly small items for the
layout. From Ed and Millie Kenner, I bought an
entire funeral procession. I have had my eye on it for a couple
years and this time I succumbed. Two sailors will occupy a train
station and a little girl working a hula hoop (remember those)
totaled the new inhabitants for the layout.

Other little things included an uncoupler, plowed field for the
farm, panel trucks and a couple pick-up trucks. I must be addicted
to these as I buy a couple every York. I even added 2 vehicles
to my collection from the York Wal-Mart! A new 3-light
signal will guard one of the portals. I love things that light up!

Williams Trains sells their smoke units with 2 smoke stacks and
an optional light. I purchased one so I can have some real,
smoking stacks atop a couple buildings on the layout.

Lastly, I now have a train simulator (Microsoft) with all
the add ons. Now I can plays trains while the layout is in
mothballs.

I looked in the purple hall for a booth for Berkshire Junction.
I also heard they were not there last October. Does anyone
know what has happened to them? They have great S lighted
accessories.

As usual, the best part of York is hanging out with old and
new friends from this list. I always look forward to meeting new
members and this year, I finally met Glenn Ritter after years of
chatting via email and viewing his layout. What fun!

Some Gilbert Get Together photos have been added to our
albums at:

http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/Barb/York+Umbrella/YORK+April+2007/


Enjoy and consider making the trip to York in October. It is an awesome
thing to be surrounded by trains and train people for 6 days!

Barb
Group: S-Trains Message: 44059 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Re: York attendance
You need to remember that the extra half day (Thursday) is effecting the
Friday attendance also. Also effects the "Bandit Meets" all over York. Greed
at the "Bandit" level probably contributes also, IF you remember when the
Holodome show went to the mandatory extra day and 20 bucks for it. I know
several of the "oldsters" who quit the Holodome then. OR the "painless taxation"
deal with the Holiday/Billy Budd, the local gov't set the tax up so that a
vendor pays it TWICE a year if they set up twice a year, not an annual permit.
Also, some of the older vendors JUST set up at the Fairgrounds now, NO
more Bandits. I understand that the "repro" tooling is wearing out and so are
some of the dealers.

Jim Lyle



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44060 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Re: Horror Stories @ York-'way off topic
Yepper--during the Rod Show and the Hog show also. Eastern Div has been
known to register verifiable complaints with the Tourist Bureau. BTW, the
Fairgrounds (privately owned) accepts PA money any time they can get it. Recently
they declined to allow a farmer/concessionaire to return because he was
quoted on TV complaining about the shortened hours of the last YORK FAIR. Wonder
if the AG Dept knows about that one. They also take 20% off the TOP of their
vendors.

Not quite EXXON-Mobil yet.

Jim Lyle



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44061 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: S-Helper at NTTM
This Link should take you to the YOUTUBE video(s) done at NTTM on Wed April
18. This one goes to S-Helper Service.

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_y2Kjcn5ks_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_y2Kjcn5ks)
Group: S-Trains Message: 44062 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: strange sighting York
One of the strangest sights I saw at York, was a small 2 seater sports car, very expensive, as I don't recall the make, but in the passenger side was a very large Hellgate type bridge.

I hope this person did not have someone with him, as that someone, was probably left behind, due to lack of space for both passenger and bridge.

When I came out later, the car was gone.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44063 From: Chris Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Thanks for the wealth onf information
Did you guys all just miss this one:?????

>>>I have received an old American Flyer train set from an Aunt and was
hoping to set it up. After searching the internet, I found this group.
I have spend a few hours researching the old posts and reading a lot of
information from the links provided. And I wanted to thank you all for
the information. I was able to see that this is way beyond what I can
do or have time to invest in. I've listed the items on eBay and
hopefully someone with your kind of passion will win them.<<<

Jack may be the senders name, judging from his e-mail address. I have
a reply for him.
A.) We make all this sound complicated because we don't want anyone to
realize how simple it is (and we are).
B.) Just plug in the transformer, put the trains on the track and see
what happens, then write us to tell us what it's doing and we'll tell
you how to make it go.
C.) All the contradicting opinions we offer will be right to some
extent or another, but no matter, you are welcome to come back here
and kick it around with us at the most novice level, because:
D.) We love to show off how much we think we know so no one is going
to make fun of you for not knowing much.

All stupidity aside, really, you don't need passion for these trains
or need to make it your hobby. They were built as toys and toys are
to have fun with. If you decide to keep the trains, you can get help
here.

On the other hand, if you ARE going to sell them, what exactly is the
auction number and what's your bottom price??? Hmmm?

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 44064 From: Chris Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Re: Horror Stories @ York-'way off topic
I sleep in my luxury 13 year old mini-van. I have a DVD player (I
rent a movie at Blockbuster near Rte. 30, this time "Casino Royale")
and a ceramic heater (I have to keep it real low, the car gets so
toasty). I have couch cushions from the same couch I like to crash
on at home, so it's familiar and comfortable, and I make it up with
fresh sheets and a comforter. My favorite pillows come along for
the ride. The windows are so tinted, I can change clothes in
daylight with people walking by. It's disconcerting, because I can
see them. I shower for 50 cents right there in the little brick
building where the men's room is, next to Orange Hall. Hot showers
with a great shower head. Sometimes I spring for a second two
quarters just to enjoy the extra long time. For power, I was
plugging in to outlets on the outside of buildings. I have a 4-way
box and power strip to charge my cell phone and the DVD battery, run
the heater and my CPAP machine. Also, a lamp if I want it. This
time I used the power cables left behind when some campers left
early (or never showed) but paid for a hookup. I went to Lowe's and
bought an adapter plug for that weird one they use. BTW, I highly
recommend the ice cream place over by Lowe's. They were closing
when I got there, but they made me a cone and gave it to me on the
house because their registers were closed. Patronize them, they
deserve it.

Anyway, that's my bachelor set-up and I love it because it frees up
a couple hundred dollars for train purchases and because it is
headache free. Also, when I wake up, I'm in front of Orange Hall,
not 5 miles away.

When my wife comes along, well, that's a whole different story about
Bed and Breakfasts and fancy meals. And fewer trains.

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 44065 From: Rick Evans Date: 4/29/2007
Subject: Re: Horror Stories @ York-'way off topic
***((((I sleep in my luxury 13 year old mini-van.))))*****

Chris,
Great way to go!! Sounds like ya got all ya need!

Rick.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44066 From: Doug Peck Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: York Trip Report
Not sure why, but BJ no longer sets up at the Boston-area Greenberg Show either. I don't recall whether they were at the huge West Springfeild Show last winter.
However, most of their products can be found on our website (under "Electronics for S"), as we carry them too.

<<<Berkshire Junction.
I also heard they were not there last October. Does anyone
know what has happened to them? They have great S lighted
accessories.
>>>



Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
www.sgaugetrains.com
www.flyerparts.com
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44067 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: A Jay email
----- Original Message -----
From: XXXXXXXXXXX
To: "Michael and Linda Marmer"
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:21 AM
Subject: what


>>YOUR A PEEPING TOM? looking in Windows! ____HAHAHA<<

I assume the above is about the email with the bridge in the car at York, that my WIFE pointed out to me.

I think this guy is a poor example of life on the planet earth, as he is weird, sick, demented and I am sure he has no friends in this world.

Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 44068 From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re - Gauging AF Wheels
Can someone please explain how AF wheel sets can be accurately gauged
with a dime?

Thanks,
John Harvey
Group: S-Trains Message: 44069 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: A Jay email
LOL.

No Bob, it was not a Corvette.

Nice try, as bridge wasn't even S gauge.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A Jay email


MIKE..... shame on you..... That was my CORVETTE CONVERTABLE...... I bought more than I could haul..... as usual...... Seriously, I got very little this time, just didn't want to part with the cash and Just joking but once I did buy a 1/18 scale airplane in the box...... It just barly fit in the trunk as I had the top down all day long..... I don't have a big trunk..... Bob

BTW .... is that 1/16" plexiglass covering your shelves? Thinking about covering mine with hanging something....
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 12:17 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] A Jay email


----- Original Message -----
From: XXXXXXXXXXX
To: "Michael and Linda Marmer"
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:21 AM
Subject: what

>>YOUR A PEEPING TOM? looking in Windows! ____HAHAHA<<

I assume the above is about the email with the bridge in the car at York, that my WIFE pointed out to me.

I think this guy is a poor example of life on the planet earth, as he is weird, sick, demented and I am sure he has no friends in this world.

Mike





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44070 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: HORROR STORIES AT YORK... way off topis
Horror stories like this can happen anywhere at a hotel, not just at York for train meet.

I been there.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Donald Thompson
To: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] HORROR STORIES AT YORK... way off topis


Dear Bob,
A few years ago Robin went in to the Four Points Sheraton to get the
two rooms we had reserved the previous York. They told us we only
reserved one. Robin insisted they dig out the original paper work. It
showed two rooms just like the confirmation. They said they were sold
out and too bad. We have been staying at the Hampton in Shrewsbury, PA
ever since.
Don

ROBERT ALLEN CONNER wrote:

> ... I was wondering if any others had bad experiences.....
>
> .

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44071 From: Chris Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Jay Walsh
While anyone has a right to his opinions, I believe that expressing
them here about e-mails from Jay Walsh may be a little unfair. Jay
cannot counter post here, and since he reads this forum, he is
subject to reading horrific opinions about himself with no means of
rebuttal.

You may find his e-mails annoying and unwanted, but, quite frankly,
if I had written the most recent one, it might have been tossed off
as a joke, which I believe it was. The reason it was not is because
of the anti-Jay momentum which has built up of late on this list.

Jay writes to me and his notes are perfectly level-headed and even
complimentary.

Here is what I propose. Refrain from discussing on this list any
notes you get from Jay. Deal with him straight up. You can choose
to ignore or reply, but keep it to yourself. Take some of his
comments as if they were friendly. Try to read between the lines.
When you think they are not friendly, tell him so. After an initial
settling down period, I think you may find you actually can
communicate intelligently with Jay.

He is one of our brethren in this hobby. Now would be a good time
to practice brotherhood.

Of course, you are all free to do as you wish. The aforementioned
is merely my suggestion.

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 44072 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: A Jay email
MIKE..... shame on you..... That was my CORVETTE CONVERTABLE...... I bought more than I could haul..... as usual...... Seriously, I got very little this time, just didn't want to part with the cash and Just joking but once I did buy a 1/18 scale airplane in the box...... It just barly fit in the trunk as I had the top down all day long..... I don't have a big trunk..... Bob

BTW .... is that 1/16" plexiglass covering your shelves? Thinking about covering mine with hanging something....
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 12:17 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] A Jay email


----- Original Message -----
From: XXXXXXXXXXX
To: "Michael and Linda Marmer"
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:21 AM
Subject: what

>>YOUR A PEEPING TOM? looking in Windows! ____HAHAHA<<

I assume the above is about the email with the bridge in the car at York, that my WIFE pointed out to me.

I think this guy is a poor example of life on the planet earth, as he is weird, sick, demented and I am sure he has no friends in this world.

Mike





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44073 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: Jay Walsh
I second Chris..... I too have had a few good comments..... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:23 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Jay Walsh


While anyone has a right to his opinions, I believe that expressing
them here about e-mails from Jay Walsh may be a little unfair. Jay
cannot counter post here, and since he reads this forum, he is
subject to reading horrific opinions about himself with no means of
rebuttal.

You may find his e-mails annoying and unwanted, but, quite frankly,
if I had written the most recent one, it might have been tossed off
as a joke, which I believe it was. The reason it was not is because
of the anti-Jay momentum which has built up of late on this list.

Jay writes to me and his notes are perfectly level-headed and even
complimentary.

Here is what I propose. Refrain from discussing on this list any
notes you get from Jay. Deal with him straight up. You can choose
to ignore or reply, but keep it to yourself. Take some of his
comments as if they were friendly. Try to read between the lines.
When you think they are not friendly, tell him so. After an initial
settling down period, I think you may find you actually can
communicate intelligently with Jay.

He is one of our brethren in this hobby. Now would be a good time
to practice brotherhood.

Of course, you are all free to do as you wish. The aforementioned
is merely my suggestion.

Chris Zizzo





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44074 From: ER Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: 3 More items for sale
I have the following 3 items for sale. They are to be sold as-is. If you
have questions, please email me.



Item 1. SHS TOFC flatcar, #00307-6 TTX #2 With Carolina Trailer, new in
box. $40. shipped to you in USA.



Item 2. SHS fruit growers express #1016, FGE 7055, Double deck V and R
(NIB) $36.. shipped to you in USA



Item 3. Model Rectifier Corp (MRC) Control Master 20 DC Powerpack.
Looks like new in original box. This unit has a noisy fan that vibrates a
bit, works great though.

Selling for less than half new price at $75 plus $20 for heavy shipping in
USA. $ 95 total.



Thanks



Eric Reis

P.O. Box 82126

Kenmore, Wa 98028



Paypal, MO or Cashiers check work.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44075 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: A Jay email
In a message dated 4/30/2007 7:49:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:

That was my CORVETTE CONVERTABLE...... I bought more than I could haul.....
as usual...... Seriously


Bob,

I would think by now you would know that I always take a GMC van to York,
always room for extra Flyer stuff.

Jim



************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44076 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 4/30/2007
Subject: Re: Re - Gauging AF Wheels
Since I was the one who wrote about this when told by Nick and Tom of ASG track, here goes.

Take dime, try to place it between the wheels like this 1O1, it is now properly gauge for any track.

But be careful trying to pull the wheels apart, as I have to reglue a trailing truck back together, as doing the wheels overall on AF move very easy.

New Flyionel, is a bit tricky, as the wheels are tight on the axles. I am told that the trucks on new AF by Lionel can break. So try forcing the dime in between the wheels.

This works, as now the trains run great on the ASG switches.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Brigadier Scottish Shop Beechworth
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:31 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re - Gauging AF Wheels


Can someone please explain how AF wheel sets can be accurately gauged
with a dime?

Thanks,
John Harvey




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44077 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: Re: Jay Walsh
Chris,

I understand your concerns about Jay, but I have gotten many hateful emails from this person which are totally uncalled for, as I believe if you don't like something, on this list, you should not be writing to people in private and being insulting to them.

Then, I have gotten emails from him, encouraging me to contact manufacturers and asking me for my repair business. Don't think he will be getting any of my future repair business.

Go figure. Kind of like Dr. Jeckle and Mr. Hyde here. Most, sadly are very nasty and insulting.

The reason why he can not reply to any emails on this list, is that he was banned from this list by the moderators and yet he is still able to view the emails.

I wish I saved some of the offensive emails from him for you to read, as I take it you have never been insulted by him.

Maybe if Jay would express his opinions about something in a more rational and reasonable way, he might still be able to write on the list, as I know, being called a Peeping Tom by him, could be taken as a harmless joke, but knowing the emails I have gotten from him in the past, it was not a harmless joke.

Once I figure how to block his email address, as I have a new computer and the blocking function is not working, I will be done with him. I need to email the manufacturer, but I am too busy writing to friends I have made from this list and Jay is not one of them.

Maybe then, he will stop emailing me and I encourage anyone else to do the same, as I want share his emails to group on the topics he responds to.

Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44078 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: Re: Jay Walsh
Why does he have to send out these insulting emails in the first place.

Maybe if tried to do it in a friendly, rational manner, he might have some more friends in life and still be on the list.

Something is wrong here.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44079 From: hjsheff Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: Trains for sale
Hello Group

I thought I would post this list of NIB items I am selling before hitting the ebay route.
6-49600 UP The Pony Express $600
6-49601 MP set $500
6-49602 NP set $625
6-48914 MP coach $80
6-48915 MP dome $80
6-48117 NP B unit with sounds $165
6-48102 C & O PA-1 set $200
C& O passenger set of 4 cars $175
4-8651 Santa Fe GP20 $200
6-49001 NYC Searchlight $40
6-48308 Maine Central Box $65
6-4300BN Gon $22
6-48436 NASG Commenorative Car NYMX Mech Refer $70
6-48475 NASG Commenorative Car Boraxo $70
6-48227 TTOS 2002 New Mexico Div Car Durango & Silverton Hopper $60

Shipping TBT by address plus insurance, Items will also be on display at this weekend's
Flyer Fest West in Elk Grove, CA prior to ebay.

Howard Sheffield
hjsheff@...
707-961-0186
Group: S-Trains Message: 44080 From: Tim Benner Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: 650 refurb / lighting
Hello Folks,

I got a trio of 650s at the Spree last month. They were cheap. If I
put about $40 into each of them they will be nice $35 cars. What a
deal! Actually I already have most of what the need so they really
were a deal.. really.

I did the micro bodywork on the first one after stripping it. (all
four corners were gone) It has had its respray and looks great
although you would never mistake it for an E+ original. It just
took some time.

The next step is to put lighting in it. The first of the three
never had lighting so I'll be using 3 ultrabright yellow LEDs. They
draw almost no current and look almost incandescent. Yes, I could
just put a bulbholder and bulb in it but where's the fun in that?

The circuit I came up with is a bridge rectifier feeding a 78M08
(5v) voltage regulator. I plan on adding a 1000-2200uf storage
capacitor to eliminate flicker. That will require a diode to keep
current from flowing back to the regulator as it discharges. each
LED has a 100 ohm resistor in series to limit the current flow. I
put the circuit together last night and proceeded to burn it in with
a #1 1/2 transformer. The LEDs stay nice and cool and light at the
lowest throttle setting. They stay constantly bright through all
throttle settings. What's not to like?

**But here is where I need help from an electronic expert ** The
voltage regulator gets HOT at full throttle. It has to dissipate
the excess energy some way and the way it does it is heat. Having
just spent (many enjoyable) hours doing bodywork on that car I want
nothing hot anywhere near it. So do you think I can heatsink the
voltage reg? Has anyone done that inside a plastic car? Or should
I just tap the LEDs directly off the rectifier with a 1k ohm
resistor and call it good? That won't provide flicker-free constant
lighting but it won't melt plastic either.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice!

Tim Benner
Dayton, Ohio
Group: S-Trains Message: 44081 From: Tim Brown Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: Dime gauging
Is that a post WWII dime for the post WWII vintage Flyer motive power?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44082 From: Mark Preman Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale
The new list of items for sale is posted at http://www.americanflyertrains.com
Mark


Mark B. Preman
AmericanFlyerTrains.com

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Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44083 From: keefer1 Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: gilbert HO
Anyone have an estimate of the value of a 33806 mine
carrier in excellent condition? keith

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44084 From: daysend40 Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Artista Figures
Any one out there interested in an S Gage Fork Lift truck from Artista?

They would probably do one if there is enough intrest.
Thanks
Joe Wagner
traimaster1940@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 44085 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Re: gilbert HO
Keith - Catalog sez 25 - 60 depending on condition.... If it has the kleer pack and button and track trip it could affect the price too..... Ho is growing in collecability and prices..... I came out of the closet about 2 years ago.... These things are like peanuts..... Be careful..... Next you will find yourself looking for cheap HO PLASTICVILLE buys of the S versions too...... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: keefer1
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:01 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] gilbert HO


Anyone have an estimate of the value of a 33806 mine
carrier in excellent condition? keith

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44086 From: Art Shifrin Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Jay Walsh
Is this the same person who has also used the name Jan Rechenberg????

Shiffy


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44087 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Re: Dime gauging
TIM..... Should I use a mint unc, of only a fair grade as wear sometimes changes size..... Whats best, a Mercury or a Roosevelt Dime???? Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Brown
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 6:37 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Dime gauging


Is that a post WWII dime for the post WWII vintage Flyer motive power?





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44088 From: daysend40 Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: S Gage Fork Lift Truck
Any one out there interested in an S Gage Fork Lift truck from Arttista?

They would probably do one if there is enough intrest.
Thanks
Joe Wagner
traimaster1940@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 44089 From: Roger Delthony Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: 751/751A log loader
I fell a little behind in reading S-Trains, so if someone has already
answered these questions, please bear with me.

Regarding the difference between the 751 and 751A: Greenberg's Guide to
American Flyer S Gauge says that the 751 had a Bakelite plastic base and
the 751A a steel base.

My boyhood 714 log car came with 7/8" diameter x 5-9/16" long logs. When
I made some repro logs to use on our club layout, I found that several
coats of (I think walnut) stain gave the color of the original ACG logs.
I also found that cutting the logs slightly over length, staining, and
then cutting to final length made for a nice finished look.

I also found on the club layout that when trying to load the third log
on the 714 log car, it always bounced off the other two logs. With the
717 sheet metal cars this didn't happen.

Regards, Roger Delthony
Group: S-Trains Message: 44090 From: roy inman Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Re: S Gage Fork Lift Truck
Sure, I would buy 2~3 or more depending upon price.

Roy Inman

From: daysend40 <trainmaster1940@...>
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 02:32:44 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] S Gage Fork Lift Truck


Any one out there interested in an S Gage Fork Lift truck from Arttista?

They would probably do one if there is enough intrest.
Thanks
Joe Wagner
traimaster1940@... <mailto:traimaster1940%40comcast.net>






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Group: S-Trains Message: 44091 From: Chris Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Re: Dime gauging
Dimameters don't change over time or type. And yes, I "coined" a new
word. Mint!

Chris Z.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44092 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Flyer Fest West
We're on the road tomorrow (Thursday) to FFW #8 near
Sacramento,....Yippppeeeeeee!

Steve Blackburn
SnS Trains
Boise
Group: S-Trains Message: 44093 From: RCESpeak Date: 5/3/2007
Subject: S Gage Fork Lift Truck
Sure, I would be interested in a couple as long as they are 1958 model
year or older.

Barb
Group: S-Trains Message: 44094 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 5/3/2007
Subject: Re: Dime gauging
Sorry Chris but they can ond do..... You and I have seen dimes with crisp sharp definitions, in the edge reeding...... I have seen old ones where the reeding has completely worn away. leaving the edge smooth...... I once saw a fellow using a guide to count nickles.... he filled them to the mark...... DUH... The new ones measured 40 coins to the stack...... The old ones, worn, measured 44 coins to a stack..... so instead of 2.00 per roll he was putting 2.00 to 2.20 per roll..... Bob

True the edge wear isn't measured in inches..... But in THOUSANDS of an inch...... Just Funnin all of you.... I guess you couls add counterfit dimes????...

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 1:34 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Dime gauging


Dimameters don't change over time or type. And yes, I "coined" a new
word. Mint!

Chris Z.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44095 From: daysend40 Date: 5/4/2007
Subject: Arttista Fork Lift
Hello;

Thanks for the interest in the possible production of a fork lift
truck in the Arttista line of figures etc. in S scale. I have been in
touch with the owner and I asked him if he was interested in doing a
forklift in S scale, he already does one in O gage as well as some
very nice figures. He was wondering if anyone would be a market for
this item. Check out his site at http://arttista.com/. Drop him an
email of your interests. By doing so we could probably have another
item for our hobby. ONLY if we get manufacturers imput on out wants
will they possibly start putting out some products that we are
interested in.

Thanks for your replies
Joe Wagner Jr.
Trainmaster1940@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 44096 From: roy inman Date: 5/5/2007
Subject: FW: Contact From Arttista. com Website
FYI folks.

I received this message from Arttista regarding the fork lift truck.

Others no doubt got the same message from their inquiry.

Roy Inman

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From: ArttistaAcc@...
Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 08:05:00 -0400 (EDT)
To: rinphoto@...
Subject: Re: Contact From Arttista. com Website


Thank you for your interest. Hope to have it available by the end of the
year.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44097 From: Bill Date: 5/6/2007
Subject: S-Scale : Photos
Hi,

I downloaded a group of images showing my READING Passenger train AF chopped/bash work.

Hope you enjoy!
Bill
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/photos/browse/d1f4

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44098 From: g94a95 Date: 5/6/2007
Subject: Flyer Fest West
Great show this year!!!!Id like to thank everybody who made it
happen!!!Good loacation with lots of room to move around!!!It was nice
be able to talk with Gary Klein(Gilbert HO Guru)Steve and Sam at SnS
and many others. Got lots of great deals from everybody also. But my
top purchases were the 58 Sunshine specail in OB, a LN 989 reefer and a
900 series heavyweight set in the OBs for my 316!!!Lots of other
goodies for my layout and collection. My wife thought I was sick
because I came home with money!!!!First time ever!!Once again, thanx
for the hard work and great show for all the folks who worked hard to
make it happen!!!!Im definetly looking forward to next year!!!.....Bill
Group: S-Trains Message: 44099 From: briggsmodels Date: 5/6/2007
Subject: Briggs Models speeder
I am sorry to say that this project is looking like further delays. I
would like to apologize profusely to my customers, especially the
pre-paid customers, that have paid up front and not received product
as of yet.

The project is definitely still a go, and in any case, the model will
be produced with a very high level of quality. Since the genesis of
the kit, some new electronic components have become available that
have allowed a partial re-design of the model to allow for a smoother
mechanism. This is not anything that will delay the model further.

This is one project that it seems there is always another problem just
around the corner..but please bear with me.

I am always available via email at briggsmodels@....

Thank you again for your patience.

Jeff Biggs
Briggs Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 44100 From: Al Baker Date: 5/7/2007
Subject: Flyer Fest West - a bad luck story
So I live in Portland, OR and I'm anxious to attend my second FFW in
Sacramento. As I did last year, I plan to ride Amtrak to get there.
The train is scheduled to arrive in Sacramento at 6:30AM. Assuming
the train is 2-3 hours late as it usually is, that still gives me
plenty of time to get my rental car and get to FFW by 11AM when it
opens.

I leave on the Coast Starlight train exactly on time in Portland.
Everything went ok until we get to the southern Oregon mountains.
There most of the track is single tracked, and as luck would have it,
a Union Pacific freight broke-down ahead of us. To make a long story
short, eight hours later we were rolling again! We arrived in
Sacramento after 3PM. I made it to FFW at 4:10PM in time to see the
last one-third of the tables which were not already cleared off, but
in the process of being packed up! Needless to say I didn't buy a
thing.

However, I did get to attend the banquet in the evening which was a
very nice affair and which I enjoyed a lot. By midnite I was back on
the train headed north. Of course I was very disappointed that I
didn't get to be at the show more or attend any seminars which I was
looking forward to. I guess I need to just remember that nice
dinner, and try again next year !!

Al Baker
Porland
Group: S-Trains Message: 44101 From: LARRY MOORE Date: 5/8/2007
Subject: 751/751A Log Loader
Thanks to those of you in the group that responded to my original question
as to the difference between a 751 and a 751A. Now I have a new question
regarding these units. Greenberg guide says 751 was mfg '46-'50 and 751A mfg
'52-'53. Now here is my question, the unit I just acquired has a date stamp
on the bottom of Jul '51. It has a black bakelite base, red supports, green
upper structure, and yellow building. I talked to one other person whose
unit also carries a '51 stamp. Can one of the Gilbert experts explain the
date variance? Thanks, Larry Moore

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44102 From: Chris Date: 5/8/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer Fest West - a bad luck story
Al Baker related his sad story of missing FFW. I say, be glad you
were on a train. You could get up, walk around, find someplace to
stretch out for those 8 hours.

I was on Jet Blue on Valentine's Day when an ice storm grounded all
traffic at JFK airport. I spent 8 hours in the airport followed by 11
and a half hours in the plane, slowly taxiing around until they
returned to the terminal and I went back home!

I missed the opening race card preambling the Daytona 500. (I got
there the next day on Southwest.)

At least you got the dinner and a train ride, and you saved money by
not buying trains you really didn't need! :-)

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 44103 From: Al Baker Date: 5/9/2007
Subject: Re: Flyer Fest West - a bad luck story
Thanks Chris !! Now I don't feel near so bad !!
Al


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <busyboy@...> wrote:
>
> Al Baker related his sad story of missing FFW. I say, be glad you
> were on a train. You could get up, walk around, find someplace to
> stretch out for those 8 hours.
>
> I was on Jet Blue on Valentine's Day when an ice storm grounded all
> traffic at JFK airport. I spent 8 hours in the airport followed by
11
> and a half hours in the plane, slowly taxiing around until they
> returned to the terminal and I went back home!
>
> I missed the opening race card preambling the Daytona 500. (I got
> there the next day on Southwest.)
>
> At least you got the dinner and a train ride, and you saved money
by
> not buying trains you really didn't need! :-)
>
> Chris Zizzo
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44104 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/9/2007
Subject: Re: 751/751A Log Loader
I go by the TM Guide which says the 751A was 1951 through 1953, which would make your 571 a 571A. Check The Gilbert Gallery:

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/accessories_operating2.html

That 571A sure looks like the one you describe! The next time you have a question like that, check The Gilbert Gallery.

Now the key question: is your base painted or unpainted? TM says the 571 was unpainted and 571A painted. If yours is unpainted, we have a dilemma.

By the way, if you find ever an error in the Gallery, please let me know so I can correct it.

Bob


LARRY MOORE <mo2337@...> wrote:
Thanks to those of you in the group that responded to my original question
as to the difference between a 751 and a 751A. Now I have a new question
regarding these units. Greenberg guide says 751 was mfg '46-'50 and 751A mfg
'52-'53. Now here is my question, the unit I just acquired has a date stamp
on the bottom of Jul '51. It has a black bakelite base, red supports, green
upper structure, and yellow building. I talked to one other person whose
unit also carries a '51 stamp. Can one of the Gilbert experts explain the
date variance? Thanks, Larry Moore
Group: S-Trains Message: 44105 From: lynnshouse2000 Date: 5/10/2007
Subject: 21831 Loco Question
I found a 21831 (AFL)for $300.00 in excellent condition at a small
train show this past weekend. A brief track test revealed a sticky
reverse unit. The tuner cleaner should take care if that. This loco
has traction tires on the outboard axle of the powered truck. Will it
pull better running long hood first or short hood first? During the
track test it pulled 5 AF cars running short hood first. Much more
would result in a loss of traction. I was unable to test long hood
first due to the problem with the reverse unit. This is my first
experience with a Flyer GP diesel. Has anyone else had experience
with this or similar locomotives? Thanks in advance for the help.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44106 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 5/10/2007
Subject: Re: 21831 Loco Question
In a message dated 05/10/2007 5:58:37 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
lynnshouse2000@... writes:




I found a 21831 (AFL)for $300.00 in excellent condition at a small
train show this past weekend. A brief track test revealed a sticky
reverse unit. The tuner cleaner should take care if that.





My advice to you and any others that want to use tuner cleaner on a Flyer
reverse unit is;.....Don't.
Use of it builds up a sticky mess that attracts lint and dirt and everything
else that gums up the action
of the unit. The best solution is to remove the finger boards and the drum
and polish the drum until it is
bright and shiny. Clean the pawl and the operating plate of dirt and grime
with a Q-tip and alcohol or acetone. If AC had meant for drums to be sprayed
with cleaner he would have sold the stuff. A clean
and dry unit work much better than a gunked up one. Just ask any of the 150
or so reverse units living
in a bucket under our work bench.
Anybody want as handful of them cheap?

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44107 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 5/10/2007
Subject: Re: 751/751A Log Loader
I am no expert but a couple of things to consider is AC might have used old parts for the year like an o7 car made in 06. And do not forget the repair shop. Tom


-----Original Message-----
From: theupstairstrain@...
To: mo2337@...; s-trains@...
Sent: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 751/751A Log Loader


I go by the TM Guide which says the 751A was 1951 through 1953, which would make your 571 a 571A. Check The Gilbert Gallery:

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/accessories_operating2.html

That 571A sure looks like the one you describe! The next time you have a question like that, check The Gilbert Gallery.

Now the key question: is your base painted or unpainted? TM says the 571 was unpainted and 571A painted. If yours is unpainted, we have a dilemma.

By the way, if you find ever an error in the Gallery, please let me know so I can correct it.

Bob


LARRY MOORE <mo2337@...> wrote:
Thanks to those of you in the group that responded to my original question
as to the difference between a 751 and a 751A. Now I have a new question
regarding these units. Greenberg guide says 751 was mfg '46-'50 and 751A mfg
'52-'53. Now here is my question, the unit I just acquired has a date stamp
on the bottom of Jul '51. It has a black bakelite base, red supports, green
upper structure, and yellow building. I talked to one other person whose
unit also carries a '51 stamp. Can one of the Gilbert experts explain the
date variance? Thanks, Larry Moore



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44108 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/11/2007
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] April York 2007 Attendance Figures
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 2:09 PM
Subject: [toytrains] April York 2007 Attendance Figures


There is a auction house across the street from the York Fairgrounds, that had a sign up, that read something like this:

"Getting Divorce? Sell your old memories here".

No comment, as I thought I would pass that along.

Mike Marmer

----- Original Message -----
April York 2007 Attendance Figures

Here are the numbers and their explanation for spring York, 2007:

Total registered: 14,325 members, families and guests

Facts about those registering:

9390 TCA members registered (31% of the ENTIRE TCA membership
registered for York)

1755 Members had tables in the member halls (Blu, Silver Red and
White halls)

271 members had dealer tables/booths (Orange, purple and brown
halls)

1411 members registered as Seniors with over 10 years
Membership

81 Members registered as disabled

185 Members registered an RV

1074 Registrations were completed at the door (a record)

418 Guests registered

550 ice creams given out at the Ice Cream Social Friday night

42 dozen Maple donuts consumed at the Saturday and Donuts Gathering

Over 450 TCA applications were given out during York.

The TCA NBO sets up tables at York and mans a chair at the Registration
Counter to assist members and

process membership applications. From the NBO the following numbers were
received:

103 New Members joined at York

81 Members renewed their membership

Comments:

Within the limits of our software these numbers are as accurate
as we can track. Our new software is promised for fall York, 2007.

Registered means we created a badge for them, an individual who
preregistered or one who registered at the door. It does not guarantee they
attended.

There were zero requests for Ron Morris to sing.

A guest is someone hosted by a member. If family is included,
the number so reflects it. The guest had to pick up his/her badges at the
registration counter, thus the 418 number is folks who actually picked up
their badges.

Spring York was another great meet. I hope all who attended had
a wonderful time and met new friends. Thanks again to the staff and
volunteers who work so hard and give so much to the Yorking experience and
to TCA.

See ya in the fall at York,

Clem Clement,

Past President, Eastern Division, TCA


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44109 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 5/11/2007
Subject: Re: AF
I have seen his books on Lionel, fairly nice job, lots of pics. But he
should make a effort to get it right. Tell him to take his time. If I can help let
me know.

Harwood
Group: S-Trains Message: 44110 From: SnSTrains@aol.com Date: 5/11/2007
Subject: Need to contact member
Does anyone have Tom Rolfsmeyer's phone number? I have been unable to
contact him via email. If you have it, please don't post it here. Email direct to me at snstrains@....

Thanks,

Steve
S-'n-S Trains
American Flyer
replacement can motors
S-Gauge Videos
American Flyer repair
S and O gauge track cleaners
3239 Pepperwood Dr.
Boise, Idaho 83704
208-376-1159
SnStrains@...
www.sns-trains.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 44111 From: WEG138@aol.com Date: 5/12/2007
Subject: Re: Building switches - turnouts
While surfing I found a site that may interest some of you. It probably has
been mentioned before. Sorry! An out fit in Ontario, Housatonic Railroad,
makes a product called Fast Track. It comes in many scales. The items available
include turnouts, Wyes, 3 ways, slips, ties, rails, etc: They also have
tools, including nippers, files, rail benders, etc: I hope this information helps
someone. Does anyone use their products?
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44112 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 5/12/2007
Subject: A request...
Please pardon my ignorance.....Not being an expert collector of AF, I
often don't know what folks are talking about when they give just an
item's number. Would it be too much to ask for y'all to tell what an
item is?
For instance, instead of "I found a 302 at a yard sale" could you
please say "I found a 302 Atlantic" or "a 302 4-4-2" so dumb
Appalachians like me know what you're talking about without having to
go dig out my AF guide?
Now, before you collectors get nasty, be advised it's not just you
folks who do this. When I work the hobby shop, I sometimes get phone
calls in which customers ask "Do you have an MTH # 601-3524 in
stock?" When it's much easier to find an MTH Western Maryland GP-7 on
the shelf!
The hobby shop owner has said many times that "rattling off part
numbers doesn't impress me, in fact it irritates me, just tell me what
you want."
So please, take pity on those of us less knowledgable and tell us
what you're talking about.
Stumpy Stone...just retired in Applachia, and busier than ever!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44113 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 5/12/2007
Subject: Re: AF
These new Lionel price guides have just been released, I saw them in Toy
Trains Unlimited in Hanover, PA. They are small and thick books. Can't recall
the name of the author, maybe Ron can tell me?

Also the new O'brian price guide has just been released, some nice color
pictures of AF. Many were taken at Stout's auction.

Harwood



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44114 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 5/12/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: AF
The price guides he has just put out on Lionel are compact with all color
pictures. Price printed on back cover was $12.95.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44115 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/12/2007
Subject: Re: AF
I must have missed some messages; I can't find the beginning of this thread. Who is the "he" they refer to?

Also, I saw the O'Brian Guide once and somebody recently asked me about it. I had to confess ignorance. Does anybody know where O'Brian gets his prices? Are they any more reliable/meaningful than Greenberg? What does this group know about and think of the O'Brian Guide?

For that matter, does anybody know where Greenberg gets his prices?

Also, I have been using Bangzoom's TrainTracker software to inventory and value my collection, but learned a while back that TM dropped its Guide, which Bangzoom used as its price source. I asked them where they get their annual price updates but got no reply. Does anybody know? Whatever the source is, it seems pretty consistent with Greenberg and with actual sales on ebay.


HOwingsiii@... wrote:
These new Lionel price guides have just been released, I saw them in Toy
Trains Unlimited in Hanover, PA. They are small and thick books. Can't recall
the name of the author, maybe Ron can tell me?

Also the new O'brian price guide has just been released, some nice color
pictures of AF. Many were taken at Stout's auction.

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44116 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/12/2007
Subject: Re: AF
Hi Robert,

I have three editions of O'Brien guides: 4, 5 and 6. I don't know what is the latest to which our colleague referred.

All of these paperbound books include sections on various manufacturers
including American Flyer S, O and Wide Gauge trains. Editions 4 and 5 are
have mainly black and white photos. Each of them has a short essay on the
various manufacturers, some pictures and a list of price estimates. The
higher the edition number, the better the listings. The 6th edition has come
color pictures, is edited by David Doyle, was published in 2006 and has some
organization of the items into groups based on type. I find the information
in all 3 editions to be somewhat complementary. That is, there is
information in some (including photos) that are not included in subsequent
editions.

Since Kalmbach acquired the Greenberg guides and has decided not to publish
much, these O'Brien guides fill a little of the void.

I bought my older ones on eBay. Some are available on Amazon. Edition 6 is
available new from Barnes and Noble. The official title is "O'Brien's
Collecting Toy Trains."

Good Luck,

Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Graves
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 12:47 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF



I must have missed some messages; I can't find the beginning of this thread.
Who is the "he" they refer to?

Also, I saw the O'Brian Guide once and somebody recently asked me about it.
I had to confess ignorance. Does anybody know where O'Brian gets his prices?
Are they any more reliable/meaningful than Greenberg? What does this group
know about and think of the O'Brian Guide?

For that matter, does anybody know where Greenberg gets his prices?

Also, I have been using Bangzoom's TrainTracker software to inventory and
value my collection, but learned a while back that TM dropped its Guide,
which Bangzoom used as its price source. I asked them where they get their
annual price updates but got no reply. Does anybody know? Whatever the
source is, it seems pretty consistent with Greenberg and with actual sales
on ebay.


HOwingsiii@aol. <mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com> com wrote:
These new Lionel price guides have just been released, I saw them in Toy
Trains Unlimited in Hanover, PA. They are small and thick books. Can't
recall
the name of the author, maybe Ron can tell me?

Also the new O'brian price guide has just been released, some nice color
pictures of AF. Many were taken at Stout's auction.

Harwood





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44117 From: Al Baker Date: 5/12/2007
Subject: AF Steamer Choo Choo Sound
Question: What can cause the choo choo sound on an American Flyer
steamer, to be very quiet - almost can not hear it. Of my 30 or so
steamers, I have three (313, 316, & 354) which make very little choo
choo sound. They puff smoke just fine - so I know the air-ways must be
open.

Al Baker
Portland
Group: S-Trains Message: 44118 From: bubblesmongo Date: 5/13/2007
Subject: "Choo-Choo"
Al, provided the piston and cylinder are smooth and in good shape try
a thin coat of vaseline on both to enhance choo-choo sound.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44119 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 5/13/2007
Subject: Re: AF
I know for a fact that Jack Fazenbaker continues to be one of sources that
Kalmbach Publishing Co. uses for the Greenberg price guide. Jack was the
primary editor on this for years. Kalmbach sends out copies of the previous year's guide to a select number of AF collectors every year for updates and changes for the forth coming guide.

I stopped participating in these some years ago when Bruce still owned the
company. This year Jack asked me for my input, so I am doing some review.
There are still a number of errors and omissions in the guide which need to be
corrected.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44120 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 5/13/2007
Subject: Re: "Choo-Choo"
Also, make sure cylinder unit hole toward smoke unit is not gunked up.



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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of bubblesmongo
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 2:21 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] "Choo-Choo"



Al, provided the piston and cylinder are smooth and in good shape try
a thin coat of vaseline on both to enhance choo-choo sound.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44121 From: David Dewey Date: 5/13/2007
Subject: AF Choo Choo Sound too quiet
Al,
a little spider nest will do this--and still allow smoking. Any blockage
of the opening that the choo choo speaks from will do this too. the baffle
plate must be installed so the raised area faces the piston, and in line so
the air passes over it. Interesting that ACG can make this so it sounds liek
a choo-choo, but big L's sounds like a mouse squeak!
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44122 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 5/13/2007
Subject: Traintracker
Recently I corresponded with the people at Bangzoom.com. I have been using Traintracker 5.0 which came out towards the end of the 1990s & early 2000s. Wanted to know if they had a newer version with updated prices. Here is their reply:

"The TT5.5 updates cover up to 2004. As far as American flyer I would wait for the update that may be released later this year. We are in the process of trying to put the development together. Due to circumstances beyond our control it has taken this long. We lost our developer and
basically have to start from scratch."

Thought this might help those who had questioned where they would get their evaluations.

Mike Leahy
Group: S-Trains Message: 44123 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/13/2007
Subject: Re: AF Choo Choo Sound too quiet
David writes about a spider nest, possibly, being inside a engine.

Last year, while fooling around with a smoke unit to replace the wick from a 326 Hudson, (Shiffy), inside was something that looked like a brown pellet.

Upon closer examination, I realized it was a unpopped popcorn kernel, from who knows when, as I believe these engines where made from 1953-1957, as of course, it could be later in time, this rare vintage popcorn kernel.

So, I will put it on ebay, claiming that AC himself, was eating popcorn while test running this engine.

O:)!

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: David Dewey
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 12:31 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Choo Choo Sound too quiet


Al,
a little spider nest will do this--and still allow smoking. Any blockage
of the opening that the choo choo speaks from will do this too. the baffle
plate must be installed so the raised area faces the piston, and in line so
the air passes over it. Interesting that ACG can make this so it sounds liek
a choo-choo, but big L's sounds like a mouse squeak!
S'
David D.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44124 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 5/13/2007
Subject: 6 WHEEL 343???
The May/June 2007 S Gaugian
on page 36 has an ad from the
November 25, 1956 Milwaukee Journal
for a 6 wheel locomotive and set.
This is listed as a starter set but the engine
is numbered 343 and the tender
with logo is definitely for a
Nickel Plate Road 0-8-0
switcher. Can anyone explain
why the ad mentions a 6 wheel locomotive
twice and the locomotive pictured shows
6 drive wheels?

Glenn

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44125 From: Al Baker Date: 5/13/2007
Subject: AF set # 581045 ??
Does anyone recognize this set #? I don't see anything like it in
Bob Bubeck's book. Is there a listing of sets on line?

Someone claims to have one of these for sale and I don't know what it
is.

Al Baker
Portland
Group: S-Trains Message: 44126 From: John Date: 5/14/2007
Subject: Sunday chats
What ever happened to the Sunday chats? The last I saw one posted here
said somethng about being moved somewhere else because of problems with
Yahoo.

Thanks

John
Group: S-Trains Message: 44127 From: William Porter Date: 5/14/2007
Subject: 715/915 vehicle dimensions
Hi Folks,



Would someone measure and report the wheelbase and track for the vehicle
(coupe, armored car or racer) that goes on the unloader car? I have a car
and a part of another. Before I pay out a bundle for a replacement vehicle,
I would like to know what I might do on my own.



Bill



Bill Porter

Loxahatchee, Florida





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44128 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/14/2007
Subject: Re: 715/915 vehicle dimensions
My armored car and Manoil coupe are buried, but the Tootsie Toy racer has 1-1/16 between the insides of the wheels and 2-1/4 inches between axles, and the Renwal gas truck has 1 inch between insides of wheels and 2-1/2 inches between axles.


William Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:
Hi Folks,

Would someone measure and report the wheelbase and track for the vehicle
(coupe, armored car or racer) that goes on the unloader car? I have a car
and a part of another. Before I pay out a bundle for a replacement vehicle,
I would like to know what I might do on my own.

Bill

Bill Porter

Loxahatchee, Florida

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44129 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 5/14/2007
Subject: Re: 715/915 vehicle dimensions
Hi Bill,

The Manoil coupe that came with
the 715 unloading car has
a space between the wheels of
7/8" and a wheelbase of
2 1/2". I paid $75 for the
actual coupe to replace
the one I lost but Jerry
Poniatowski has made
repro coupes or you could
use an "O" scale car of
similar wheel dimensions.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: William Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 10:22 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] 715/915 vehicle dimensions


Hi Folks,

Would someone measure and report the wheelbase and track for the vehicle
(coupe, armored car or racer) that goes on the unloader car? I have a car
and a part of another. Before I pay out a bundle for a replacement vehicle,
I would like to know what I might do on my own.

Bill

Bill Porter

Loxahatchee, Florida

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44130 From: Chris Date: 5/14/2007
Subject: Sunday chats
Jihn,
For the past two or three years or so, the chats have been at
http://s-scale.org/forum/
Go there, sign up and set up a user name and password.
C U Sunday around 8PM EST.

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 44131 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/14/2007
Subject: Re: 715/915 vehicle dimensions
If you're patient, you'll find one pretty cheap on ebay. I've seen some decent cars on wrecked flatcars that hardly anybody bid on.


Glenn Ritter <gartrain404@...> wrote:
Hi Bill,

The Manoil coupe that came with
the 715 unloading car has
a space between the wheels of
7/8" and a wheelbase of
2 1/2". I paid $75 for the
actual coupe to replace
the one I lost but Jerry
Poniatowski has made
repro coupes or you could
use an "O" scale car of
similar wheel dimensions.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: William Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 10:22 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] 715/915 vehicle dimensions

Hi Folks,

Would someone measure and report the wheelbase and track for the vehicle
(coupe, armored car or racer) that goes on the unloader car? I have a car
and a part of another. Before I pay out a bundle for a replacement vehicle,
I would like to know what I might do on my own.

Bill

Bill Porter

Loxahatchee, Florida

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44132 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 5/14/2007
Subject: Removing decals
I am in the process of restoring a Silver Bullet engine & the 655 passenger cars. The engine was repainted years ago by the former owner in a real bright silver color. The silver paint I got from Doug Peck is a lot different from the current paint. Therefore, I want to repaint the engine to match the #655 passenger cars. I assume they were all matched? Could someone advise me in how to easily remove the decals on the engine?

Thanks,

Mike Leahy
Boulder, CO.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44133 From: WEG138@aol.com Date: 5/14/2007
Subject: Re: Switches - Turnouts manufacturer
A normal 1 requested the site of the Canadian manufacturer of turnouts-
A.K.A. switches. This is what I have.
http://housatonicrr.fast-tracks.net

I hope that this speeds things up for those who are interested.
Bill Greaves



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44134 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 5/14/2007
Subject: Re: 715/915 vehicle dimensions
In a message dated 05/14/2007 7:37:53 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
wpporter@... writes:

Hi Folks,

Would someone measure and report the wheelbase and track for the vehicle
(coupe, armored car or racer) that goes on the unloader car? I have a car
and a part of another. Before I pay out a bundle for a replacement vehicle,
I would like to know what I might do on my own.



The armored car is 3 7/8" bumper to bumper and the Renwal tanker is 4 5/8.
Don't have the others hand to measure.

Steve



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44135 From: Chris Date: 5/15/2007
Subject: Re: Switches - Turnouts manufacturer
Bill Greaves: Wow!
That Housatonic RR site was incredible.
How easy their tools are making switch laying and how much info they
are providing are now a part of the impetus for me to move away from
all sectional track.

I just don't know if their jigs can support anything larger than code
100. From what I saw, it doesn't seem so.

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 44136 From: Bruce Papky Date: 5/15/2007
Subject: Removing decals
On Mon May 14, 2007 12:12 pm (PST), Mike Leahy wrote:
<<I am in the process of restoring a Silver Bullet engine & the 655 passenger cars. The engine was repainted years ago by the former owner in a real bright silver color. The silver paint I got from Doug Peck is a lot different from the current paint. Therefore, I want to repaint the engine to match the #655 passenger cars. I assume they were all matched? Could someone advise me in how to easily remove the decals on the engine?

Thanks,

Mike Leahy
Boulder, CO.>>
_________________________________________________

Mike, and others:

The Testor Corp. makes a product called Polly S ELO (Easy Lift Off) Paint and Decal Remover, #542143. I bought it at my local hobby shop and have used it, with great satisfaction, for several projects removing decals, dry transfers, and stamped lettering on rolling stock and engines. No damage whatsoever to any plastic surfaces. I recommend it highly.

Bruce


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44137 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/15/2007
Subject: AC Gilbert Timeline
This email is long overdue by me, as I have a question for anyone about the timeline of history for the AC Gilbert company in the TCA Quarterly from July of 2006.

The timeline mentions that the company went out of business in 1966, which I and I am sure most of you knew.

What I did not know was that one of the causes, for the end of Gilbert in 1966, was that Sears reneges on $6 million deal in James Bond racing sets and denies payment, as mentioned in the timeline

So, I am wondering many things.

1. Was there a legal contract between Gilbert and Sears for these sets? If so, why did Gilbert not sue Sears for the deal to go through and/or lost of revenue?

2. Why could not Gilbert then, contract or no contract, then move these racing sets through other merchants, as a 11 year old, I remember that James Bond items where very big to us in that market for items like this, as race car sets where becoming the rage. I believe Aurora had the HO market, as I think the Bond sets where the larger race cars, which were popular too. There were many other types of James Bond items on the market at the time, selling very well, so you would think that if Gilbert re-marketed these race sets, it could of done well with them.

3. Why did Sears decide not to go through with the deal with Gilbert for these race sets, as again, James Bond items at this time where big. Quality issues, got the sets from someone else for less, etc?

Anyway, this TCA quarterly has been sitting here for almost a year with this question. Better late then never!

Time to turn back the clock to 1966 and find out, if we could!

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44138 From: Doug Peck Date: 5/16/2007
Subject: AC Gilbert Timeline
If my memory serves me right regarding the Gilbert-Sears deal, the contract with Sears was that
(a) they would exclusively mass-market the James Bond Racecar Sets;
(b) no payment was due until well after delivery and the holiday season;
c) Gilbert agreed to take back ALL unsold sets.
With a deal like that, how could they (Sears) go wrong!
There may have been other factors too, but I can't recall.
At any rate, I don't believe Sears "reneged" on the deal.......I believe they simply carried through with the provision to return all unsold inventory, swamping Gilbert with sets they couldn't move after the holidays.
Another very bad business marketing job which contributed to their demise.
Something also makes me think that the delivery of the sets to Sears was delayed, maybe even until after the holidays, which made the situation worse, but I may be wrong.
Anyone else with a better memory than me about this Sears fiasco, please chime in !

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
www.sgaugetrains.com <http://www.sgaugetrains.com/>
www.flyerparts.com <http://www.flyerparts.com/>
Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST)
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44139 From: Phil K Date: 5/16/2007
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert Timeline
For those of us with only "trains" on the brain, here is what some of
the A.C. Gilbert James Bond toys looked like:

http://www.jamesbondtoys.co.uk/collection/gilbert/gilbert.htm

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--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote:
>
> If my memory serves me right regarding the Gilbert-Sears deal, the
contract with Sears was that
> (a) they would exclusively mass-market the James Bond Racecar Sets;
> (b) no payment was due until well after delivery and the holiday
season;
> c) Gilbert agreed to take back ALL unsold sets.
> With a deal like that, how could they (Sears) go wrong!
> There may have been other factors too, but I can't recall.
> At any rate, I don't believe Sears "reneged" on the deal.......I
believe they simply carried through with the provision to return all
unsold inventory, swamping Gilbert with sets they couldn't move after
the holidays.
> Another very bad business marketing job which contributed to their
demise.
> Something also makes me think that the delivery of the sets to
Sears was delayed, maybe even until after the holidays, which made
the situation worse, but I may be wrong.
> Anyone else with a better memory than me about this Sears fiasco,
please chime in !
>
> Doug Peck
> Port Lines Hobby Supply
> 6 Storeybrooke Drive
> Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
> www.sgaugetrains.com <http://www.sgaugetrains.com/>
> www.flyerparts.com <http://www.flyerparts.com/>
> Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM
(EST)
> 978-465-8798
> 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44140 From: Patrick McElroy Date: 5/16/2007
Subject: Question on AF 938 Caboose
I just picked up an AF 938 caboose and noticed it only has 1 knuckle coupler on the end closest to the smoke stack. The other truck looks like it never had a couple at all as there is no holder for it coming off the truck. When I looked this caboose up in Joe Deger's AF S Gauge Vol 1 book he shows one with couplers at both ends. My assumption was that the coupler on mine was just broken off. However when I compared it to another 938 in my collect this one too is missing the couple on the same end. I find it hard to believe that I would have two identical caboose broken exactly the same way.

Does anyone know if this caboose came with 1 coupler, 2 couplers or both versions?

Thanks

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44141 From: briggsmodels Date: 5/16/2007
Subject: Briggs Models speeder- further detailed update
Hello to my customers;

I have not cancelled my S scale speeder project. I am still working on
getting the model parts produced and assembled. It seems, as happens
sometimes with projects, that every thing that could have possibly
gone wrong, did.

I had finished the patterns for the brass castings, and sent them to
my caster for a quote. I never heard from my caster again, and I never
got my masters back. Phone calls were not answered and emails were
returned undeliverable. I do not know what happened to him, but in any
case it is not worth my time to pursue it. I simply reproduced the
masters. I am a professional pattern maker, and this in itself was not
a huge problem, only a delay of 4 months.

Once I received casting samples from my new caster, it was time to get
the etched parts done. The ethings for the body parts went well, but
the electric parts for the DCC installation and PC boards did not work
well. There was a problem with the sandwiching of the transparency for
the exposure of the metal, and some of the parts were bridged, broken,
and unuseable. I fixed this by reworking the patterns for the etchings
and sending them to another manufacturer. Another 3 month delay.

At this point, I had body etching samples, body casting samples, and
sample mechanical parts. I was ready to order my batch of production
parts for everything, and I was informed the motor that I wanted to
use was no longer available. This was after I had made my production
order, and I had waited for 3 months for it to arrive. I was unable to
secure even a small batch from any supplier, and the importer that I
talked to directly was unwilling to help find any leftover stock. This
basically meant that the parts I had designed earlier to mate with
this motor were no longer useable. Because of the small nature of
this model, I would need to find either a smaller motor that would
fit, or a motor the same size. I had engineered the model so that the
electrics and motor contacts were integrated with the cosmetic
components of the kit, and to put another motor in the model would
have required a compromise in the appearance of the model, i.e.
exposed wiring, obviously adjusted parts. I was able to find a
supplier of motors that had similar electrical specifications and
size, but it did require that I get some new etchings done for the
body and electrical parts so that the motor would fit. Another 3 month
delay.

I am currently waiting for samples of those etchings, but it appears
that the model may benefit from a partial redesign utilizing different
technology. Within a week, I will be posting some more information
regarding this.

Please accept my apologies for this, and any further delays. I am
working diligently to get this model produced and shipped.

In regards to the Briggs Models website being not on line any longer,
I switched internet service providers, and the old site was linked to
the bandwidth on my shaw.ca email account. For any further contact,
please use briggsmodels@.... I apologize for any confusion or
concern this may have caused.

Jeff Briggs
Briggs Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 44142 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 5/16/2007
Subject: Re: Question on AF 938 Caboose
I am not sure of the numbers, but I have several Cabooses with only 1 coupler on on end.... the other end has the coupler arm totally cut off at the factory.... Guess they were trying to save a couple pennies x Thousands = DOLLARS.... Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick McElroy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:17 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Question on AF 938 Caboose


I just picked up an AF 938 caboose and noticed it only has 1 knuckle coupler on the end closest to the smoke stack. The other truck looks like it never had a couple at all as there is no holder for it coming off the truck. When I looked this caboose up in Joe Deger's AF S Gauge Vol 1 book he shows one with couplers at both ends. My assumption was that the coupler on mine was just broken off. However when I compared it to another 938 in my collect this one too is missing the couple on the same end. I find it hard to believe that I would have two identical caboose broken exactly the same way.

Does anyone know if this caboose came with 1 coupler, 2 couplers or both versions?

Thanks

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44143 From: Ingram-Jim-sListservers Date: 5/16/2007
Subject: --YouTube: AF Automatic Controls Video
We have put an S gauge automatic controls video on YouTube.com here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z20K-WYfvcU


A. EXPLANATION:
This video, made by Mark Anderman of the Susquehanna S Gaugers, at
the April 2007 "Steamup" in Williamsport Pa, shows a demonstration of
an automatic control system they made to operate 3 American Flyer
trains on one circle of track, using all stock AC Gilbert parts.
They used a siding to hold 2 trains, plus a 3rd block operated by a
semaphore on the mainline.

=============================
B. RELATED LINKS:

* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9d39xXulfo - The largescale "How It
Works" video, shows a similar system in largescale, using only 2
blocks to control 3 trains
* http://track2.com/ingram/plans/206/206a.overview.shtml#logic -
logic diagram for 3 trains on 1 track (uses only 2 siding blocks)
* http://www.AutoControls.org - Automatic Controls Home Page
(currently all videos are largescale)
* http://www.SusquehannaSgaugers.com - Susquehanna S Gaugers Home Page


=============================
C. COMMENTS:

Note this system uses all stock Gilbert parts. The switches act as
relays to control the 2 siding blocks, and a Gilbert semaphore
controls the 3rd block in the mainline. They used the pressure-
sensitive Gilbert track trips to control the switches and the semaphore.

I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, but we believe that
this may be the FIRST WEB VIDEO that shows automatic control of
Gilbert S gauge American Flyer trains?? The system was wired up by
Dennis & Corvin Oberholtzer and Mark Anderman, videotaping by Chris
Cooley, and iMovie editing by Mark Anderman.

=============================
=== D. REMOVE THIRD BLOCK ??
=============================

Note that we believe that this system could probably be modified by
removing the block in the mainline, and using just the 2 blocks in
the sidings. The semaphore would control power to the sidings; i.e.
at about 2/3 of the way around the loop, the train on the mainline
would "release" one of the trains parked on the sidings, thus
maintaining spacing between trains, but without using the 3rd block
on the mainline.

This scheme is demonstrated in the largescale video "How It Works"
which shows a similar arrangement in largescale, at the link given
above. The link for the "logic diagram" for this system is also
given above.

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Thanks. - Jim Ingram
570-477-2520 Voice Mail, Williamsport PA <http://www.track2.com>
Macintosh G4/OS 10.4
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44144 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/16/2007
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert Timeline
Thanks Doug for the information, as it makes more sense now.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Peck
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:05 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:AC Gilbert Timeline


If my memory serves me right regarding the Gilbert-Sears deal, the contract with Sears was that
(a) they would exclusively mass-market the James Bond Racecar Sets;
(b) no payment was due until well after delivery and the holiday season;
c) Gilbert agreed to take back ALL unsold sets.
With a deal like that, how could they (Sears) go wrong!
There may have been other factors too, but I can't recall.
At any rate, I don't believe Sears "reneged" on the deal.......I believe they simply carried through with the provision to return all unsold inventory, swamping Gilbert with sets they couldn't move after the holidays.
Another very bad business marketing job which contributed to their demise.
Something also makes me think that the delivery of the sets to Sears was delayed, maybe even until after the holidays, which made the situation worse, but I may be wrong.
Anyone else with a better memory than me about this Sears fiasco, please chime in !

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
www.sgaugetrains.com <http://www.sgaugetrains.com/>
www.flyerparts.com <http://www.flyerparts.com/>
Shop Hours: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays--- 2-5 PM (EST)
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44145 From: roy inman Date: 5/16/2007
Subject: Re: Briggs Models speeder- further detailed update
Sounds as if Murphy's Law was working overtime.

Thanks for the update Jeff.

Roy Inman

From: briggsmodels <briggsmodels@...>
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 19:32:52 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Briggs Models speeder- further detailed update


Hello to my customers;

I have not cancelled my S scale speeder project. I am still working on
getting the model parts produced and assembled. It seems, as happens
sometimes with projects, that every thing that could have possibly
gone wrong, did.

I had finished the patterns for the brass castings, and sent them to
my caster for a quote. I never heard from my caster again, and I never
got my masters back. Phone calls were not answered and emails were
returned undeliverable. I do not know what happened to him, but in any
case it is not worth my time to pursue it. I simply reproduced the
masters. I am a professional pattern maker, and this in itself was not
a huge problem, only a delay of 4 months.

Once I received casting samples from my new caster, it was time to get
the etched parts done. The ethings for the body parts went well, but
the electric parts for the DCC installation and PC boards did not work
well. There was a problem with the sandwiching of the transparency for
the exposure of the metal, and some of the parts were bridged, broken,
and unuseable. I fixed this by reworking the patterns for the etchings
and sending them to another manufacturer. Another 3 month delay.

At this point, I had body etching samples, body casting samples, and
sample mechanical parts. I was ready to order my batch of production
parts for everything, and I was informed the motor that I wanted to
use was no longer available. This was after I had made my production
order, and I had waited for 3 months for it to arrive. I was unable to
secure even a small batch from any supplier, and the importer that I
talked to directly was unwilling to help find any leftover stock. This
basically meant that the parts I had designed earlier to mate with
this motor were no longer useable. Because of the small nature of
this model, I would need to find either a smaller motor that would
fit, or a motor the same size. I had engineered the model so that the
electrics and motor contacts were integrated with the cosmetic
components of the kit, and to put another motor in the model would
have required a compromise in the appearance of the model, i.e.
exposed wiring, obviously adjusted parts. I was able to find a
supplier of motors that had similar electrical specifications and
size, but it did require that I get some new etchings done for the
body and electrical parts so that the motor would fit. Another 3 month
delay.

I am currently waiting for samples of those etchings, but it appears
that the model may benefit from a partial redesign utilizing different
technology. Within a week, I will be posting some more information
regarding this.

Please accept my apologies for this, and any further delays. I am
working diligently to get this model produced and shipped.

In regards to the Briggs Models website being not on line any longer,
I switched internet service providers, and the old site was linked to
the bandwidth on my shaw.ca email account. For any further contact,
please use briggsmodels@... <mailto:briggsmodels%40yahoo.com> . I
apologize for any confusion or
concern this may have caused.

Jeff Briggs
Briggs Models






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Group: S-Trains Message: 44146 From: John Degnan Date: 5/16/2007
Subject: EVANS AUTO LOADER DRAWINGS FOUND!
Groups,

Revisiting the discussions about the Evans Auto Loader/Carrier flat as converted by the New York Central... below you will find links to MOST of the photos/drawings that I've found pertaining to this car (I was asked to find them, and so I did just that) :

PHOTOS :
http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/EVANS/NYC-EARLY-AUTORACK(Big).jpg
http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/EVANS/EvansAutoLoader.jpg
CONCEPT DRAWINGS :
http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/EVANS/EvansAutoRack.jpg
http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/EVANS/EvansAutoRack00.jpg
http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/EVANS/EvansAutoRack01.jpg
http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/EVANS/EvansAutoRack02.jpg
http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/EVANS/EvansAutoRack03.jpg
http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/EVANS/EvansAutoRack04.jpg
http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/EVANS/EvansAutoRack05.jpg
http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/EVANS/EvansAutoRack06.jpg
http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/EVANS/EvansAutoRack07.jpg
http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/EVANS/EvansAutoRack08.jpg
http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/EVANS/EvansAutoRack09.jpg
http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/EVANS/EvansAutoRack10.jpg
http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/EVANS/EvansAutoRack11.jpg
http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/EVANS/EvansAutoRack12.jpg
http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/EVANS/EvansAutoRack13.jpg
http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/EVANS/EvansAutoRack14.jpg

There is a CHANCE that this car could be produced in S scale, as always, IF THERE IS ENOUGH INTEREST. So, contact SHS and voice your interest if you want to see it done. I'll keep searching for more info and photos, but this should be more than enough to get started.

Contact me with any questions.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44147 From: John Degnan Date: 5/17/2007
Subject: Re: {Spam?} [SSPM] EVANS AUTO LOADER DRAWINGS FOUND!
This particular car was simply a flat car (# 5000085 if I remember correctly) owned by the NYC that had the Evans Auto-Loader rack installed on it. The whole car was not a product of Evans... only the loader/rack system.

As for there being other roads that used this type or similar cars... I have not turned up anything just yet... and to make things worse, the NYC car, to the best of my knowledge, was a one-of-a-kind on the NYC roster.

HOWEVER... let us all not forget... this is S scale... where little to nothing is prototypical and where the "base" (supporting) group are Flyer-philes and/or hi-railers (where anything goes). Therefore a long (non-prototypical) string of these would look right at home on a Flyer/hi-rail layout without any complaints from us rivet-counters. So with that point in mind, as well as the fact that there are currently no other auto-carriers of any kind currently available in S scale, I strongly believe that these would sell very well. This would be a first-of-its-kind model in S, and that alone would most likely bring in the sales. SHS already makes a flat car of the EXACT SAME LENGTH of the NYC car (53' 6"), therefore all we really need is the Evans rack itself to add to the flat car, just the same way that the NYC did with their flat car.

Doin' my homework.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...

----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew_Malette
To: John Degnan ; POST : (S) S-Trains Group ; POST : (S) S Scale Prototype Modeler Group ; POST : (S) S Scale Model Railroading Group ; POST : (S) S Scale Group
Sent: May 16, 2007 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: {Spam?} [SSPM] EVANS AUTO LOADER DRAWINGS FOUND!


Great work, John.

Were these owned by roads other than the NYC, eh, eh?

Andy Malette
www.mlwservices.ca


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44148 From: Donald Thompson Date: 5/17/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: [SSPM] EVANS AUTO LOADER DRAWINGS FOUND!
Dear Roy,
Thank you for the Evan's patent drawings. This is a good start. We
still need info on how many railroads had these cars and photographs.
Also, patent drawings may not be exactly what was installed on the
cars. Keep up the search.
Best regards,
Don
S Helper Service Inc.
www.showcaseline.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 44149 From: roy inman Date: 5/17/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: [SSPM] EVANS AUTO LOADER DRAWINGS FOUND!
I couldn't agree more with John.

And although I have no photos to prove it, I can guarantee that the Santa Fe
used the 53'6" cars with auto racks. I saw many, many of them behind the old
GE pepless wonder engines we used when I was a road fireman in 1963. They
were use to haul autos and trucks out of the Fairfax industrial district of
Kansas City, Kansas, where there were at one time both Ford and General
Motors auto assembly plants. When I was a teenager riding bikes with buddies
all over town, many is the time I recall ogling the shiny new Cadillacs,
Corvettes and Ford pickups stacked on the carriers in the huge Argentine, KS
yards. That was in the 1950's.

One other thought: How about trying to convince the three (or is it four?)
clubs that sponsor S Fest to make it a show car? Or how about an S
convention car? Or how about a TCA convention car? The TCA car this year is
a real show stopper: an S flat (don't recall the manufacturer) that has for
a load a genuine piece of ore from an old Colorado mine. The TCA national is
in Denver this year.

Does anyone have any contacts to see if we could get the ball rolling?

I have not had any recent response from Don Thompson to my query about SHS
producing an auto carrier. Some months back he did in fact indicate that he
"had always wanted to produce one but lacked documentation." He also cited
the enormous amounts of time and money it took to bring the Consolidated
project to market and I got the impression that they were kind of taking a
breather before committing to any other new and large projects. And as all
of you know, their son Ben was injured in the line of duty serving in the
armed forces in Iraq. Understandably, they were concentrating on helping him
make a full recovery.

But if our collective hunches are right, the cars would be a quick sell-out
for the reasons John mentions, and then surely SHS, AM or someone else would
realize the demand and produce bunches of others.

Bob Werre mentioned that there might be a problem with the unit being
top-heavy. I think this is not too big a concern. I have several of the MTH
O auto carriers and while the instructions warn against running too fast
around curves, we never had single tip-over or a derailment when we operated
a modular layout at Union Station for nearly three years off and on. Then
too, if plastic autos were used instead of diecast, the load would be less.
But even using diecast, I just don't think that top-heavy would be an issue.

It does strike me as rather odd that there isn't more photo documentation
for the 53-foot auto carrier. Any railroad that hauled freight out of
Midwest cities like Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee and Kansas City would have
also moved automobiles. So the carriers must have been numerous. In my neck
of the woods, auto transport was #3 behind wheat/corn/soybeans and raw
materials (coal, rock, petrol products). A distant fourth was livestock,
primarily because of the formerly huge stock yards at St. Joseph, MO and
Kansas City.

Another thing that strikes me as odd is the fact that no S manufacturer has
stepped up to plate to produce an auto carrier. It seems like a
no-brainer...I guess there was an S kit produced for a short period many
years ago, but I have never even seen one, either in the box or built.

Roy

From: John Degnan <Scaler164@...>
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 23:35:22 -0500
To: andym@..., "POST : (S) S-Trains Group"
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) S Scale Prototype Modeler Group"
<SSPM@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) S Scale Model Railroading
Group"<sscalemodelrailroading@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) S Scale Group"
<S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: {Spam?} [SSPM] EVANS AUTO LOADER DRAWINGS FOUND!


This particular car was simply a flat car (# 5000085 if I remember
correctly) owned by the NYC that had the Evans Auto-Loader rack installed on
it. The whole car was not a product of Evans... only the loader/rack
system.

As for there being other roads that used this type or similar cars... I have
not turned up anything just yet... and to make things worse, the NYC car, to
the best of my knowledge, was a one-of-a-kind on the NYC roster.

HOWEVER... let us all not forget... this is S scale... where little to
nothing is prototypical and where the "base" (supporting) group are
Flyer-philes and/or hi-railers (where anything goes). Therefore a long
(non-prototypical) string of these would look right at home on a
Flyer/hi-rail layout without any complaints from us rivet-counters. So with
that point in mind, as well as the fact that there are currently no other
auto-carriers of any kind currently available in S scale, I strongly believe
that these would sell very well. This would be a first-of-its-kind model in
S, and that alone would most likely bring in the sales. SHS already makes a
flat car of the EXACT SAME LENGTH of the NYC car (53' 6"), therefore all we
really need is the Evans rack itself to add to the flat car, just the same
way that the NYC did with their flat car.

Doin' my homework.

John Degnan
Scaler164@... <mailto:Scaler164%40comcast.net>

----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew_Malette
To: John Degnan ; POST : (S) S-Trains Group ; POST : (S) S Scale Prototype
Modeler Group ; POST : (S) S Scale Model Railroading Group ; POST : (S) S
Scale Group
Sent: May 16, 2007 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: {Spam?} [SSPM] EVANS AUTO LOADER DRAWINGS FOUND!

Great work, John.

Were these owned by roads other than the NYC, eh, eh?

Andy Malette
www.mlwservices.ca

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44150 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 5/17/2007
Subject: EVANS AUTO LOADER
EVANS AUTO LOADER

Recently, I built a EVANS AUTO LOADER from using a Lionel car as a
pattern. This is a nice looking car, BUT it is top heavy, it requires a
die cast car, with add'l weight under the car + the use of plastic, light
weight autos.
Jerry HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 44151 From: Charles Messinger Date: 5/17/2007
Subject: old postcards
Check out this interesting link >>
http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/special/ppcs/ppcs.html>

Go to Florida
Then click Volusia County
Look for the picture of an old railway station

Looks like the cars in the Franklin set !!

Just something to do when you have a coulpe of free minutes.

Enjoy.



Buddy
Group: S-Trains Message: 44152 From: roy inman Date: 5/17/2007
Subject: Re: EVANS AUTO LOADER
Thanks Jerry for the feedback.

That confirms our theories on the car. Our thinking is that the SHS flat,
which is the correct length, would be heavy enough as it stands, but smarter
folks than me will have to figure out the physics.
JHS

Now, all we need is documentation: Photos of prototypes in a variety of road
names.

If anyone has any suggestions as to where we might look, please post. I have
scoured the internet, but apparently in all the wrong places, because I have
come up with precious little in the way of images.

Roy Inman

From: Gerald Dobbs <grdobbs@...>
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 07:02:41 -0700
To: Scaler164@...
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] EVANS AUTO LOADER


EVANS AUTO LOADER

Recently, I built a EVANS AUTO LOADER from using a Lionel car as a
pattern. This is a nice looking car, BUT it is top heavy, it requires a
die cast car, with add'l weight under the car + the use of plastic, light
weight autos.
Jerry HR77-11644





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44153 From: bimorph Date: 5/17/2007
Subject: For Sale Missouri Pacific set 20475
I bought this from the original owner. All the boxes including the
set box are present. The set is in beautiful shape with the exception
of the observation car which has a box rub on the rear roof and a
tight crack below the rear emblem. One car has a broken coupler.
This is the first MP set from 1958 and has been in storage since
around then. The set box shows some wear. Price is $3800 and pick
up is on Long Island, NY. I don't want to ship it. If interested
contact me at my email address.
thanks, Al
Group: S-Trains Message: 44154 From: Tim Brown Date: 5/17/2007
Subject: Re: Switches - Turnouts manufacturer
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WEG138@... wrote:
>
> A normal 1 requested the site of the Canadian manufacturer of
turnouts-
> A.K.A. switches. This is what I have.
> http://housatonicrr.fast-tracks.net
>

I have been looking at the Fast Tracks system as well for an upgrade
in my track/switches. I even downloaded all their videos and watched
them. Quite nice procedure and jigs! The only hesitation I would
have is the availability of the ties. I would want to have two
suppliers on hand for the exact spec of switch ties their jig is
tooled for. It would be a shame to make that investment only to find
I am locked in to buying all my RR ties from one source. If I read
the spec on their RR ties correctly, they are sized just a bit
differently from RR ties that others stamp out. Am I right on this?
Also, their procedure calls for an insulated frog which I believe
necessitates using some type of throw or motor that has a set of DPDT
contacts for polarity control of the frog.
-Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44155 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 5/18/2007
Subject: EVANS AUTO LOADER
<<Posted by: "Gerald Dobbs" grdobbs@...
<<Thu May 17, 2007 8:34 am (PST)
<<EVANS AUTO LOADER
<<
<<Recently, I built a EVANS AUTO LOADER from using a
<<Lionel car as a pattern. This is a nice looking
<<car, BUT it is top heavy, it requires a die cast
<<car, with add'l weight under the car + the use of
<<plastic, light weight autos.
<<Jerry HR77-11644

Several of us have built S gauge auto carriers using
spliced repro AF flats topped with the Lionel 3-tier
auto carrier top. While at the Lionel display at York
I noticed this car carrier was placed directly to the
right of the Flyonel items. In comparing the "O
Gauge" flatcar under the car carrier to the O gauge
flatcar next to it, I noticed that it was narrower. I
then compared the "O gauge" flatcar with auto carrier
to the S gauge Flyonel flatcar with load --- and they
were the same width.

I mentioned this to several other S gaugers, and they
agreed that this is an excellent candidate for a new
Flyonel S gauge car. It even looks funny with the O
gauge trucks under it, but would look very good with S
gauge trucks.

All of us talked with the lionel folks about this
project. At first they were hesitant, pointing out the
(deservedly) poor reception of their last attempt to
slap S gauge trucks on O gauge cars. When we pointed
out to them that this flatcar was undersized (at least
in width) for an O gauge car, they said they would
consider this.

We also encouraged them to use the K-Line S gauge
trucks under all of their Flyonel line. They balked,
claiming that AF purists would not buy these cars.
When we reminded them that they already had crossed
that bridge when they introduced their own (and
oversized ugly) S gauge freight car trucks, they
seemed much more receptive.

So, due to the coaxing of several S gaugers, we may
finally get some Flyonel cars with half decent trucks
and an S gauge car carrier. It would need yo have
lightweight cars on it though as I can vouch that 9 S
gauge die cast cars make for a very heavy load on this
car carrier.

Joe

Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613
404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338
Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer
Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers
American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line
joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored
Group: S-Trains Message: 44156 From: John Degnan Date: 5/18/2007
Subject: Looking for...
Mainline Modeler
February 1997

and

Mainline Modeler
March 2001

If anyone has these, please contact me... I'm trying to verify if one or both of these mag's contain articles / info / photos on the Evans Products Auto-Loader as the Magazine Index suggests.

Thanks.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44157 From: Donald Thompson Date: 5/18/2007
Subject: Re: SHS track update
Today we started to ship all of the backordered straight and 30"
radius curved track. I think all of our track is now is stock except for
the switches. The #3 switches left Hong Kong last week and we should be
shipping them out in three weeks.
Again, we would like to apologies for track that has been out of
stock. We were just not prepared for the surge in track sales which we
assume was due to K-Line leaving the market.

Best regards,
Don
www.showcaseline.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 44158 From: Ingram-Jim-sListservers Date: 5/18/2007
Subject: Re: --YouTube: AF Automatic Controls Video
WIRING DIAGRAM:

Mark Anderman was kind enough scan and email me the SKETCH
that they used the wiring for this 3-train American Flyer system.

You should be able to view it here:
http://track2.com/ingram/plans/s201/s201a.overview.shtml

or here: (same location)
http://www.tinyurl.com/2or887


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> On May 17, 2007, at 10:51 AM, keefer1 wrote:
> have a`diagram showing wiring and blocks? Keith
> --- Ingram-Jim-sListservers
> <shoot-all-spammers4@...> wrote:

---------

On May 16, 2007, at 6:44 PM, Ingram-Jim-sListservers wrote:
>> We have put an S gauge automatic controls video on
>> YouTube.com here:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z20K-WYfvcU
< snip >




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44159 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 5/18/2007
Subject: Re: EVANS AUTO LOADER
Joe,

GLAD you talked to the Lying-L guys. I do semi-annually, seems to be a
different cast of characters every time. Last Fall I pointed out that A/F
"purists" might be put off by the LIONEL LLC and NO mention of American Flyer on
the bottoms of their cars. They, of course, had NO idea this could be
important. PROMISED to mention to marketiing (only Dept they apparently have). STILL
a marketting company that gets it right occasionally. ONCE AGAIN, they
promised to look at SHS cars, as one of the new standards of the hobby, to see
what CAN be done. BET they forgot. LIONEL has NO reason to change anything as
long as people blindly buy a long worn name.

Jim "livin' on the KEYSTONE Main" Lyle



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44160 From: John Date: 5/18/2007
Subject: Layout
I posted some pictures of my layout.

John
Group: S-Trains Message: 44161 From: plimo117 Date: 5/19/2007
Subject: What's happening
Looking at message history, it appears 2007 posts continue to
decrease siginicantly. What's happening here???

Disappointing ...
Group: S-Trains Message: 44162 From: Tim Brown Date: 5/19/2007
Subject: Re: What's happening
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "plimo117" <plimo7@...> wrote:
>
> Looking at message history, it appears 2007 posts continue to
> decrease siginicantly. What's happening here???
>
> Disappointing ...
>

'Can't blame me! I've tried to start stimulating threads, only to
find they get dead-ended with either eBay or some rah-rah-rah about
how the hobby is dying/not dying. Here is what I think is the
problem; this list has become largely populated with collectors and
plug 'n players. Not that there is anything wrong with either...
However, apparently, gone are the builders. Collectors and plug 'n
players aren't inherently tinkerers - for whatever reason. Builders
are tinkerers and both deal with technical issues that crop up during
the building & tinkering process. When the builders & tinkerers
either die off or lose interest, they are gone and therefore the
threads about building, kit-bashing, tinkering, etc are gone as
well. I am responding to you and the S Gauge List as well. It's
possible that this topic or my reply is just too inflammatory, so
perhaps you may not see this reply actually posted. Just my dead-
ended opinion and I don't mean to inflame. I mean to report what I
see. And so, let me make this appeal to the remaining builders and
tinkerers and collectors as well. Support your S Gauge List! Make it
interesting and stimulating! We need you!

Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44163 From: roy inman Date: 5/19/2007
Subject: Re: What's happening-Opinion II
Hard to tell if the original post came from the S-Trains or the S-scale
list.

If it came from the S-Trains list, I think the answer is simple: Lots of
the discussions there center on new AF,SHS or AM equipment and there hasn't
been much lately. Well, maybe a few cars, which is fine, but no new engines,
no new balky accessories to figure out, etc. And we are getting into the
time of year when there are more outside activities, which take some folks
away from indoor train stuff and away from desk computers.

If it came from the S-Scale list, I think that for many of us the hobby is
somewhat cyclical. I have other stuff that I have to do, various family
emergencies, work, etc. Since there are only a few hundred (I think...) on
each list, if 1/3rd are busy working, another few are traveling, another
batch are actually working on layouts (there's a novel idea), and a few more
might be under the weather for whatever reason, pretty soon there is a small
group talking to each other. I was on a kit building kick last fall and sort
of got burned out temporarily. The urge will strike again as it always does.

If all these events happen as a convergence by sheer coincidence, there you
have it. Every been in at a party or a large, informal meeting with everyone
standing around and all of a sudden everyone stops talking at the same
moment? Sort of like that, maybe...

IMHO,

Roy Inman

From: Tim Brown <Timboy@...>
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 17:10:35 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What's happening


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"plimo117" <plimo7@...> wrote:
>
> Looking at message history, it appears 2007 posts continue to
> decrease siginicantly. What's happening here???
>
> Disappointing ...
>

'Can't blame me! I've tried to start stimulating threads, only to
find they get dead-ended with either eBay or some rah-rah-rah about
how the hobby is dying/not dying. Here is what I think is the
problem; this list has become largely populated with collectors and
plug 'n players. Not that there is anything wrong with either...
However, apparently, gone are the builders. Collectors and plug 'n
players aren't inherently tinkerers - for whatever reason. Builders
are tinkerers and both deal with technical issues that crop up during
the building & tinkering process. When the builders & tinkerers
either die off or lose interest, they are gone and therefore the
threads about building, kit-bashing, tinkering, etc are gone as
well. I am responding to you and the S Gauge List as well. It's
possible that this topic or my reply is just too inflammatory, so
perhaps you may not see this reply actually posted. Just my dead-
ended opinion and I don't mean to inflame. I mean to report what I
see. And so, let me make this appeal to the remaining builders and
tinkerers and collectors as well. Support your S Gauge List! Make it
interesting and stimulating! We need you!

Tim Brown






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Group: S-Trains Message: 44164 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 5/19/2007
Subject: Re: What's happening
How about a weekly or bi-monthly topic. Like how to repair finger boards,
etc. Not to say that this would be the only topic to be addressed, just a way to
keep interest. Pro's & con's could be discussed.
This thread is showing some interest. Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44165 From: Tim Brown Date: 5/19/2007
Subject: Re: What's happening
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
>
> How about a weekly or bi-monthly topic. Like how to repair finger
boards,
> etc. Not to say that this would be the only topic to be addressed,
just a way to
> keep interest. Pro's & con's could be discussed.
> This thread is showing some interest. Mike
>

Have you noticed how few listings there are on eBay lately? eBay!
Gee. How I wish they would change their feedback profile again. Any
thoughts on that? And how about the declining interest in model
railroading, or is it just a hiatus?

Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44166 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 5/19/2007
Subject: Re: What's happening
And of the 1670 today...... 25% are for PARTS..... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: plimo117
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 10:20 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] What's happening


Looking at message history, it appears 2007 posts continue to
decrease siginicantly. What's happening here???

Disappointing ...





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44167 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 5/19/2007
Subject: Re: What's happening
I went to the Southern Division TCA meet today here in Orlando, Fl.

This meet appears to be shrinking (fewer tables set up), not as many
sellers as there used to be. The show was about 1/3 HO and N trains,
2 sellers with AF, and one with a little SHS. Not even a lot of
Lionel there. This meet is also just one day, where it used to be 2
days. Kind of strange. I stayed 30 minutes or so.

I did see Mark Preman there who had stopped in to say hello.

Visitors to my website http://www.myflyertrains.org are up since last
year, so I really can't say what this all means.


On May 19, 2007, at 10:20 AM, plimo117 wrote:

> Looking at message history, it appears 2007 posts continue to
> decrease siginicantly. What's happening here???
>
> Disappointing ...
>
>
> _


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44168 From: Ingram-Jim-sListservers Date: 5/19/2007
Subject: YouTube: #2 Meet S Gagrs, #3 Layout Tour
:
We added 2 more YouTube videos for the Susquehanna S Gaugers. Links
below.

=============================

VIDEO #2: "Meet The Susquehanna S Gaugers"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQmZ11KcQP4

In this video, the members give a short introduction of themselves.

There is also a brief demonstration of the "Z-Stuff" automatic
crossing gates by member Dave Van Gilder. One interesting and I
believe unique aspect of this system, is that they have apparently
developed an electric eye system that does not require a "detector"
on the other side of the track from the "emitter". Instead, they
apparently "bounce" the light beam (or infrared or whatever kind of
beam they're using) off the rolling stock, and the detector is in the
same housing as the emitter. I.e. there is just one piece of
equipment needed to put next to the track, instead of the usual 2
pieces (emitter one side and detector on the other side), to do
optical-type train detection.

In the video, this detector is part of the crossing gate system. But
you can apparently purchase the detectors separately by themselves,
as they show on the Z-stuff.net website -- see http://z-stuff.net/
DZ-1011.htm

=============================

VIDEO #3: Brief Tour Of Central Pennsylvania Layout #1, "Heavy
Steam Division".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymf8huIJxIQ

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44169 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 5/19/2007
Subject: Re: What's happening.... WAY OFF TOPIC
Chuck... thanks for the update.... I got up this morning early..... thought about spending 40.00 on gas..... 5.00 at the door..... and maybe find a 25.00 car for 10.00???? WENT BACK TO SLEEP..... I did miss seeing old friends though.... still sorting thru this mess of stuff here.... BTW.... its not only trains but many other categories are WAY DOWN on ebay..... I started to buy a set last week for 800.00..... then got to thinking..... a box among boxes..... OR 800 IN MY POCKET..... I think its the economy now really starting to affect everything..... I am even having second thoughts about Denver..... That's about 3000.00 for 2 weeks..... now selling on ebay..... postage costs have shot out of site...... who's going to buy a 5.00 item with 5.00 postage...... Priority has gone from 3.85 to around 8.00 in only a couple years..... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Harrington
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What's happening


I went to the Southern Division TCA meet today here in Orlando, Fl.

This meet appears to be shrinking (fewer tables set up), not as many
sellers as there used to be. The show was about 1/3 HO and N trains,
2 sellers with AF, and one with a little SHS. Not even a lot of
Lionel there. This meet is also just one day, where it used to be 2
days. Kind of strange. I stayed 30 minutes or so.

I did see Mark Preman there who had stopped in to say hello.

Visitors to my website http://www.myflyertrains.org are up since last
year, so I really can't say what this all means.

On May 19, 2007, at 10:20 AM, plimo117 wrote:

> Looking at message history, it appears 2007 posts continue to
> decrease siginicantly. What's happening here???
>
> Disappointing ...
>
>
> _

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44170 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 5/19/2007
Subject: Re: What's happening
Well here's something of possible interest. SnS has developed (finally) a
can motor conversion for the SIT units. They will be available soon. They could
even be in kit form to folks that can drill and tap screw holes accurately.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44171 From: Donald Thompson Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: Re: What's happening
Dear Chuck,
I am sure another factor is e-bay. Who needs to go to trainshows
when you can sit at home and see tons more trains.
Don

Chuck Harrington wrote:

> I went to the Southern Division TCA meet today here in Orlando, Fl.
>
> This meet appears to be shrinking
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44172 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: turnout article
Thanks to all who have requested the link to the article about Tom's
Turnouts mentioned in the latest NASG Dispatch. The link is still good, it
will take you to the article which appeared in the Kennebec Journal, March
23rd, 2007.

http://kennebecjournal.mainetoday.com/news/local/3727940.html



The website is being worked on and should be fully updated in a couple of
days. This has been a long time in coming.

Thanks again for your interest and support,

Tom Stoltz

Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork

Revolutionizing S gauge. one Turnout at a time.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44173 From: John Degnan Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: Re: What's happening
This is a great point, but I think it may also explain why there seems to be a decreasing interest in this hobby. Using myself as an example, being the ONLY S scaler (that I know of) within 230 miles, I lack the same thing that "sitting at home" alone causes one to miss out on... CAMARADERIE... someone to share the hobby with and someone to encourage and be encouraged by in the hobby. Being the only (known) S scaler in this area is tough on me when everyone else is doing HO, N, O and even G, and to be honest, if it weren't for my computer by which I find some form of fellowship with the rest of you folks, I would most likely turn to some other hobby in which I could find some fellowship in my area. So for me the computer / internet is a good thing, but for others, it could be leading to the disolving of fellowships, and therefore lower levels of interest.

Quoting the Bible : "It is not good that the man should be alone." Genesis 2:18 (KJB (only))


John Degnan
Scaler164@...

----- Original Message -----
From: Donald Thompson
To: Chuck Harrington
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: May 20, 2007 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What's happening


Dear Chuck,
I am sure another factor is e-bay. Who needs to go to trainshows
when you can sit at home and see tons more trains.
Don

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44174 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: Re;What's happening...tinkerers live!
While I agree that there are a large number of collectors and folks
who just run their trtains on this list, there are a few of us out
here who do more than just "play with trains!"
I'm one, as most of you know, who is not above doing lots of
modifications, scratch building, kitbashing, etc. I build micro
layouts, small display layouts, customize junker American Flyer into
things they were never meant to be, and I'm not afraid to talk about
it!
When you get upset that there are too many collectors or folks who
just run their trains and never do anything else.....remember, the Mad
Butcher of Martins Ferry, Ohio is here.
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...from his secret hillside lair in
Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44175 From: Phil K Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: Low activity
My take is that there are not any current "hot" topics.

What amuses me is that first you get the same small group who
complain, saying posts about eBay don't belong here. Also, you have
those who say they don't like controversial topics.

Then there are the complaints that this forum is getting "slow", i.e,
not enough post activity.

Ya can't have it both ways.

It's a lack of hot topics (new stuff, etc) coupled with "that time of
year". It's very, very slow these days on the S board at O Gauge
Railroading and I see the same thing at Trains.com.

So I wouldn't read anything into it.

Plus, there are a lot more forums than there were five years ago. So
I gotta figure the active posters have gotten more spread out.

Hey, at least Tim Brown and Chris Zizzo finally came back, which is
good news.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 44176 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: Re: what's happening
down here in the southeast s gauge/scale appears to be growing.the acsg
folks do more and more shows with the modular layout. my local club is
building 2 new layouts in our new home, a converted house, both of
which will have s gauge/scale. the big layout is mostly ho but the
outer loop will be s scale, about 25' by 40'. then the 'tinplate'
layout, 15' by 10', will have std. gauge, o-72, and af loops with
sidings and lots of af accessories. part of our growth is people who
have recently moved south due to climate and cost for retirees and jobs
for younger folks. so maybe the activity in areas of concern is down
due to this shift. i know that of the 35 active members of our club,
the vast majority are from the north, including me, grew up in mass.
and retired here in 2000. it would be cool to compare nasg membership
by numbers and states over the past 10 and 20 years by counting in the
august issues.... dale reynolds, pendleton sc
Group: S-Trains Message: 44177 From: RCESpeak Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: What's happening
Hi All,

I will admit that although I am only one person, I have been one of those
who has not posted much in 2007 - rather uncharacteristic for me. I
think Roy hit the nail on the head with his response.

After 5 years of actively working at building my layout with tons
of support from the members of this list, I have packed
it up and moved it a distance of 3 states north and currently have
no place to rebuild it. But that will soon change. The horse barn has
been sold and plans are in the making for the new train house with
amply room. Once that happens, I'm sure questions from me will
appear on this list again.

Also, Roy mentioned this hobby being cyclic and I agree. Summer
is full of outdoor activities, vacations and travels leaving less time
to dedicate to our trains. This is also a possible reason why York
sales are greater in October than April.

In the meantime, I still dream of my trains running through the
mountains on my layout and anxiously await the day they are
puffing and choo-chooing away again.

Barb
Group: S-Trains Message: 44178 From: Rick Evans Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: Re: Low activity
""What amuses me is that first you get the same small group who
complain, saying posts about eBay don't belong here. Also, you have
those who say they don't like controversial topics.
Then there are the complaints that this forum is getting "slow", i.e,
not enough post activity.
Ya can't have it both ways.""

That has ALWAYS amused me too Phil! :^)

Rick.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 44179 From: Phil K Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: Re: Low activity
Rick --

The other factor I just realized is that Jerry Matsick's "Affordable
S Gauge" forum has also pulled a few of the "for sale" and "wanted to
buy" posts away from this forum.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course. Both forums,
along with the S-Scale board's rivet-counters [just kidding], can all
peacefully co-exist.

I was reading the other day about traffic on most of the Internet
blog sites has reached a plateau -- not growing at the same rate it
did for the last three years. Not that they're losing popularity, the
theory goes, but that they climbed in activity until they reached
the "saturation" point -- a finite number of regular readers are
being spread out among far too many blogs.

There are so many now, some people do blogs that nobody ever reads.
To me, that's a lot like talking to yourself.

"You know, I think you've got something there, Phil."

"Thank you, Phil. I must say, not only are you good-looking, you also
are so smart."

LOL

At least here at S-Trains, you know somebody's reading what you
write. They may not like it, but at least they're reading it. ;-)

Phil K

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> wrote:
>
> ""What amuses me is that first you get the same small group who
> complain, saying posts about eBay don't belong here. Also, you have
> those who say they don't like controversial topics.
> Then there are the complaints that this forum is getting "slow",
i.e,
> not enough post activity.
> Ya can't have it both ways.""
>
> That has ALWAYS amused me too Phil! :^)
>
> Rick.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com
> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too!
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://S-Scale.org/albums
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44180 From: roy inman Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: FW: S ?
Hi folks;

Just FYI, here is the response I got from Internet Hobbies concerning the
lack of S offerings...

So, not that the suppliers we already have aren't sufficient, but one more
in the mix might help the overall promotion of S.

Roy Inman

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From: Internethobbies@...
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 12:02:26 -0400 (EDT)
To: rinphoto@...
Subject: Re: S ?


In a message dated 5/20/2007 12:41:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rinphoto@... writes:
So why don't you carry any S items?

There are nearly as many of us as there are N gaguers.

Roy Inman
We are going to be adding S Scale

IH






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Group: S-Trains Message: 44181 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: S and O vs, N and HO locally
As I posted way back in January;In our area the three major train
hobby shop owners got together by accident at a train show (without
fighting, amazingly) and discovered something in common.
Sales of O guage (3 rail) and S gauge were now outstripping sales
of HO and N scale!
There were various theories as to why this is:
1.Prices of "toy" stuff are no longer way higher than HO or N stuff.
2.Train folks are getting older and can't see or handle HO and N as
easily anymore.
3.HO and N are big on model building, and folks that are new to
trains don't have the time (or, perhaps the desire) to learn modeling.
4.Baby Boomers grew up with "toy" trains around the Christmas tree
and want this same stuff again.
5.The quality and appearance of "toy" trains is now as good or
better than HO and N stuff.
For those folks that want realistic looking "toy" trains, S guage
is the way to go, with two rail track, and a size that fits the hand
and eye better.
A recent trip around to all these shops since I retired a couple
weeks ago has discovered that these guys are "putting there stock
where their mouth is" and carrying more "toy" trains than HO and N
than they used to!
It would be nice to know if this trend is spreading nationwide.
How about it folks, what do you see in your local hobby shops?
Stumpy Stone...still working at G&M Train & Hobby.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44182 From: muniman18 Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: activity
I've always been a reader of all messages on this group.learned
a heck of alot. I was just talking to my son abt this and he
too says that his groups are also slow. maybe it is that time
of year, and the topics are getting rather "stale" I.ve always
looked foward to someone asking a new question of which I knew
nothing abut Bingo I just learned something else. so my guess
saason . and no new topics. maybe we need more dumb people like
me to ask the "stupid questions" let's keep it going....Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 44183 From: Tom Stolte Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale
New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale

936 Montana Rail Link 3 bay covered hopper
http://mopac1.tripod.com/936.gif

936 KCS 3 bay covered hopper
http://mopac1.tripod.com/937.gif

937 MP heralds block lettering
http://mopac1.tripod.com/938.gif

938 T&P 40 ft van
http://mopac1.tripod.com/939.jpg



Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-
.
N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These
should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so.

If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog
N,
HO, S & O scale, $8.00, plus $4.60 for p&h.

Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail
Graphics,
their link is on my web page.


Tom Stolte - The Decal Machine - Oddballs Decals
N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models.
26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054
Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballsdecals@...
Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org
Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/
NMRA Member #121756
Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
MPHS web site http://mopac.org/
Group: S-Trains Message: 44184 From: John Date: 5/20/2007
Subject: New layout help
Well I logged into the S-Scale forum just to see some pictures a
person posted a link here In the canned message I after I got
registered indicated that 'This is for SCALE equipment and if you
were looking for American Flyer go to the S-Trains group"

Very nice welcome don't you think?



Anyway I am FINALLY getting ready to start designing a 2 level
layout in my 15" X 30' garage allowed garage space. I will be using
SHS flex track as I have about 6 or 8 boxes of it. It will not be of
any particular era. I will eventually, as money permits, be run on
DCC. I will start out with converting everything over to DC.

I am looking for suggestions on design, building etc. I thought I
had seen a guy on here that offered cash to the person with the best
layout idea. I am thinking of that also since I can't seem to make
any decisions on layout or design.. I do know I want a 2 level
layout with a coal loader and a rotary dumper. I also would like
some switching to take place with maybe a lumber yard, small
tank loading area and a few other box car industries that would fit
against the wall.

I have been researching ideas on the web for a while and I can
finally start the process.

Any thoughts, suggestions or help on the layout, design and
construction of the above layout plans???

Thanks you

John Frankforther
Group: S-Trains Message: 44185 From: monte_heppe Date: 5/21/2007
Subject: 2007 NASG Convention, July 10-14, Baltimore MD
The Baltimore Area American Flyer Club is hosting the 2007 NASG
convention. Following are brief descriptions of the tours we are
ofering in addition to the usual convention activities. Tickets are
still available for all tour though some are filling quickly. For
more information visit our website: www.baafc.org or contact me at
flheppe@...

Rail Tours

Maryland Midland Shops-Western Maryland Railway Historical Society
Museum Tour

Maryland Midland Railway (MMID) is a short line railroad operating in
central Maryland with its company headquarters located in Union
Bridge, Maryland. The MMID motto is "We Mean Business."
Incorporated in 1978, MMID started operations in May, 1980 on 17
miles of track leased from the State of Maryland between Walkersville
and Taneytown. Currently, MMID owns 70 miles of track with 63 miles
in service. The company owns 10 locomotives – seven GP-38-3s and
three GP-9s. The company freight car fleet consists of 424 cars that
were either owned or leased. This is the first shop tour the
railroad has conducted for rail fans.

The Western Maryland Railway Historical Society museum is located in
the former Western Maryland Railway station at Union Bridge, MD.
Besides the historical exhibits, there is an operating N gauge
layout.

Layout Tour #1

This tour includes three layouts that we hope will inspire those who
have been hesitant to built a layout to begin construction.

Ed and Nancy Schmidbauer's traditional Flyer layout shows how much
fun you can have in a limited space and illustrates a creative way to
expand your empire.

Walt Westerfield's layout is hard to describe because it is always in
transition. Walt never hesitates to dismantle all or part of his
layout to try something new that strikes his fancy. Ask him about
his poured concrete grade and ballast trough experiments.

Bob Davison's mid size Flyer/hirail layout showcases his structure,
engine and rolling stock construction projects.


Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority Shops

The Washington METRO is one of the most modern subway systems in the
country. It takes great pride in the maintenance of the system. You
will never see graffiti on its cars or equipment. The New Carrolton
Shops are one of a number of maintenance facilities operated by METRO.


B&O Railroad Museum/Ellicott City Railroad Museum/ Baltimore
Streetcar Museum

The B&O museum is where America's most important, historic and
comprehensive collection lives to tell the story of railroading every
day. Forty acres of heritage and a world class collection await your
discovery.

The Ellicott City Railroad Museum is located in the oldest railroad
station in America! Completed by the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad in
1831, this National Historic Landmark is the perfect compliment to
the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad Museum's downtown campusThere's
something here for everyone! The Ellicott City Station boasts one of
the most acclaimed HO scale model railroads in the country, living
history programs engage children and families and it's located
directly on the B&O Railroad's historic Old Main Line over which CSX
Transportation operates massive freight trains every day!

The Baltimore Streetcar Museum tour includes, rides on original
Baltimore streetcars, displays of streetcar memorabilia, an audio
visual presentation of Baltimore's streetcar history, a guided
Carhouse Tour and the gift shop



Chesapeake and Allegheny Steam Preservation Society


We have arranged "a trip into the past" with a visit to the steam
trains of the Chesapeake and Allegheny Steam Preservation Society
operated in Leakin Park, Baltimore. The trains are operated on a 2-
track main line. The trains are 1/8th full size and are mostly pulled
with coal-burning live steam locomotives. The Railroad Division is
part of a privately financed, operated and maintained miniature steam
power museum. Steam power is demonstrated in many ways, although the
railroad is the most visible. The locomotives are privately owned so
trains run only when their owners can make them available. The
Chesapeake and Allegheny operates over 3 miles of track on 10 plus
acres.

Layout Tour #2

This tour includes four larger layouts. David Avedesian's Boston and
Maryland Railroad features a large roundhouse with operating
turntable, many operating accessories and a long winding main line.
Dave operates both TMMC and DCC.

While not S gauge, we had to include Howard Zane's immense (2850 sq.
ft.) world class HO layout.

Sam Powell's beautiful scale layout was featured in the March/April
Dispatch. Need we say more.

Dan Vandermusse's Scale layout is operational but still under
construction. It illustrates some scenery and building techniques
that are quite interesting.



Non Rail Tours

Havre de Grace Tour

Featured is a walking tour of this historic seaport on the
Chesapeake Bay with lunch at MacGregor's restaurant on the
waterfront. After lunch there will be shopping at the Prime Outlets
at Perryville just across the Susquehanna River.


Sykesville Tour

This should really be included in the Rail tours. The tour starts
with a walking tour of historic downtown Sykesville, a town on the
B&O's "Old Main Line. Lunch will be at Baldwin's Restaurant located
in the former B&O station. Train still run past the station. After
lunch we will visit the Sykesville & Patapsco Railway Club's display
layouts.

Monte Heppe
Group: S-Trains Message: 44186 From: Tim Brown Date: 5/21/2007
Subject: Re: New layout help
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John" <beebear@...> wrote:
>
> I am looking for suggestions on design, building etc.

Here's an approach: Make scenic-hidden 2% grades up/down to/from the
upper level. Have the upper level the "cross-country" route your train
will take. Have the bottom level the towns on either end with
switching yards in the middle that the train will originate from and
service. That way you can enjoy loop-running and/or a prototypical
operation.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44187 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/22/2007
Subject: Re: New layout help
That's a fairly accurate description of The Upstairs Train:

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain

The track plan and explanation are given on

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/grand_tour.html

And there are pages on lighting, the control panel, my primitive construction techniques, etc.

For a discussion on independently running more than one train at a time

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/modes.html

And for some of the painful lessons I learned building it

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/operations.html

Have fun with your layout! You're in for a real treat.


Tim Brown <Timboy@...> wrote:
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John" <beebear@...> wrote:
>
> I am looking for suggestions on design, building etc.

Here's an approach: Make scenic-hidden 2% grades up/down to/from the
upper level. Have the upper level the "cross-country" route your train
will take. Have the bottom level the towns on either end with
switching yards in the middle that the train will originate from and
service. That way you can enjoy loop-running and/or a prototypical
operation.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 44188 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/22/2007
Subject: Re: Question on AF 938 Caboose
I can't answer the question either, but I can tell you there is at least one more like it:

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/cabooses2.html

Does your truck look like the one on my #24630?

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/cabooses3.html

That's how my 938 looks.

Others with only one coupler in the Gilbert Gallery: 24632, 24636, and the unnumbered Freight Ahead Caboose from the Game Train. I've never seen a link coupler caboose with only one coupler; has anyone else?


ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> wrote:
I am not sure of the numbers, but I have several Cabooses with only 1 coupler on on end.... the other end has the coupler arm totally cut off at the factory.... Guess they were trying to save a couple pennies x Thousands = DOLLARS.... Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick McElroy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:17 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Question on AF 938 Caboose

I just picked up an AF 938 caboose and noticed it only has 1 knuckle coupler on the end closest to the smoke stack. The other truck looks like it never had a couple at all as there is no holder for it coming off the truck. When I looked this caboose up in Joe Deger's AF S Gauge Vol 1 book he shows one with couplers at both ends. My assumption was that the coupler on mine was just broken off. However when I compared it to another 938 in my collect this one too is missing the couple on the same end. I find it hard to believe that I would have two identical caboose broken exactly the same way.

Does anyone know if this caboose came with 1 coupler, 2 couplers or both versions?

Thanks

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44189 From: John Date: 5/22/2007
Subject: Gears being chewed up
Hi all:

My AF Santa Fe and BN GP 20's have all experienced the following
problem: The nylon gears on the shaft assembly and the worm wheel have
ground down to where they will not operate, the motor just spins. After
ordering new shaft and gear assemblies from Lionel and replacing the
worn out ones, I discovered that the nylon worm wheel gears were worn
as well. My question is, is one able to replace the nylon gears with
the metal ones that came on original American Flyer, are the dimensions
the same, has anyone else experienced the same problem that I describe,
and if so, what was your remedy?

John
Group: S-Trains Message: 44190 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 5/22/2007
Subject: Re: Re;What's happening...tinkerers live!
Hey Stumpy; U B not alone bud. I got a AFG Northern with SnS CAN motor
running DCC w/ Tsunami and smoking with a TAS electronic smoke unit.
Next up is a Hudson, got the Tsunami, and the CAN motor, only this time
the smoke is going to be with a MTH electronic smoke unit. (it will fit
better in the Hudson boiler) So, howdy from the stealth butcher from
Texas!

phil, another CI

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> While I agree that there are a large number of collectors and folks
> who just run their trtains on this list, there are a few of us out
> here who do more than just "play with trains!"
> I'm one, as most of you know, who is not above doing lots of
> modifications, scratch building, kitbashing, etc. I build micro
> layouts, small display layouts, customize junker American Flyer into
> things they were never meant to be, and I'm not afraid to talk about
> it!
> When you get upset that there are too many collectors or folks who
> just run their trains and never do anything else.....remember, the
Mad
> Butcher of Martins Ferry, Ohio is here.
> Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer...from his secret hillside lair
in
> Appalachia.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44191 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/22/2007
Subject: Re: Removing decals
Can it be used on painted cars?


Bruce Papky <bpapky@...> wrote:
On Mon May 14, 2007 12:12 pm (PST), Mike Leahy wrote:
<<I am in the process of restoring a Silver Bullet engine & the 655 passenger cars. The engine was repainted years ago by the former owner in a real bright silver color. The silver paint I got from Doug Peck is a lot different from the current paint. Therefore, I want to repaint the engine to match the #655 passenger cars. I assume they were all matched? Could someone advise me in how to easily remove the decals on the engine?

Thanks,

Mike Leahy
Boulder, CO.>>
_________________________________________________

Mike, and others:

The Testor Corp. makes a product called Polly S ELO (Easy Lift Off) Paint and Decal Remover, #542143. I bought it at my local hobby shop and have used it, with great satisfaction, for several projects removing decals, dry transfers, and stamped lettering on rolling stock and engines. No damage whatsoever to any plastic surfaces. I recommend it highly.

Bruce

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44192 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 5/22/2007
Subject: universal turnout
Having 20+ years experience trying to run both hirail and scale, I don't
believe that scale equipment will run reliably without guard rails gauged to
pull the scale flanges away from the frog point. This rules out guard rails
that are large enough for hirail flanges.

In my opinion, the only turnout that will run both hirail and scale has a
movable frog point. O Gaugers discovered this years ago. SHS is the only S
supplier that makes such a turnout.

Roger Nulton



Roger and all,

I guess this used to be true, however that is no longer the case. There is
indeed an open frog turnout that runs Flyer, Hi-rail and scale all at the
same time - all in the same train if you like. That's how I do my testing.
I am also aware that some people can't understand how my turnouts can work
if they are not 100% NMRA compliant. My turnouts are to be used, not
understood. Ask a user about their performance. As for NMRA standards, I
used to sweat it, but a friend at the day job advised me to forget the
standards because when you are doing something that has never done before,
you are writing the standards as you go. Perhaps it is the NMRA Hi-rail
standards that need updating.

Did anyone on this list get to the Spring S Spree? To any of the layout
tours? If you did, you saw a fine collection of brass engines (including a
River Raisin J1 2-10-4) pulling Hi-rail rolling stock through my #6
turnouts.

I know, you'll probably say a 2-10-4 can't even go through a scale #6
turnout, but I think you should take it up with the layout owner, not me - I
can only go by what I am told. And I wasn't in Ohio.

Please check out my website.

Tom Stoltz

Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork

www.tomsturnouts.com





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44193 From: roy inman Date: 5/22/2007
Subject: Re: Removing decals
Try a the eraser end of a plain old "lead" pencil. Gentle burnishing and it
should come right off without harming the paint.

Roy Inman

From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Removing decals


Can it be used on painted cars?


On Mon May 14, 2007 12:12 pm (PST), Mike Leahy wrote:
<<I am in the process of restoring a Silver Bullet engine & the 655
passenger cars. The engine was repainted years ago by the former owner in a real bright silver color. The silver paint I got from Doug Peck is a lot different from the current paint. Therefore, I want to repaint the engine to match the #655 passenger cars. I assume they were all matched? Could someone advise me in how to easily remove the decals on the engine?

Thanks,

Mike Leahy
Boulder, CO.>>
_________________________________________________

Mike, and others:

The Testor Corp. makes a product called Polly S ELO (Easy Lift Off) Paint
and Decal Remover, #542143. I bought it at my local hobby shop and have used
it, with great satisfaction, for several projects removing decals, dry
transfers, and stamped lettering on rolling stock and engines. No damage
whatsoever to any plastic surfaces. I recommend it highly.

Bruce



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44194 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 5/22/2007
Subject: Re: 2007 NASG Convention, July 10-14, Baltimore MD
Also, tables are still available for the trading hall. Come on ya'll, get
those table reservations in. Please contact Ron Borsella at "Toy Train
Unlimited", 717-637-4717 or Fax @ 717-235-6943.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44195 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/23/2007
Subject: Historic American Railroad Sets join The Gilbert Gallery
I just completed these pages. They are accessible either from the freight sets directory page:

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/freight_trains-Flyonel.html

or from the page for the engine that pulls each:

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/engines-Alcos4.html
http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/engines-GP-Series.html

I have pictures of all the engines and cars, but need pictures of each set as a whole. HAR#1, the B&O, is the only one for which I have a set picture. If you have one of the other sets, I'd sure appreciate your emailing me a picture or two (at least 800 pixels wide; the bigger the better, up to 3 meg or so).

And if you have any of the later Flyonel freight sets, I need pictures of them as well. In most cases, I need individual shots of the engines and cars as well as a picture of the set as a whole.

Shoot the set either on shelves like the B&O:

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/freight_sets-HAR1-BnO.html

or on a table like the #20465 Missouri Pacific Fast Freight Set on this page:

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/freight_trains.html

or on the tracks of your layout like the #K5680RH Santa Fe Chief Freight on the same page.

And if you catch any typos or other errors or omissions on the site, please let me know so I can correct them.

Thanks! The Gilbert Gallery wouldn't be what it is without you guys.

Bob


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44196 From: omahakid2003 Date: 5/23/2007
Subject: Making a 314AW Whistle work
Does anyone know how to make the 314AW whistle blow without having
the controller? I tried staright DC current but it didn't sound like a
whistle. I guess that either the whistle doesn't work or that straight
DC is not the answer.

Mike Vana Omaha, NE.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44197 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 5/23/2007
Subject: Painting Passenger Cars from Tom Hodgson's Instrument Design ?
I have some unpainted passenger car shells from Tom Hodgson. Can someone
refresh my memory on how to prepare these shells for painting so that the oils in
the plastic are removed?

Thanks - Earl Henry, Jr., Nashville



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44198 From: roy inman Date: 5/24/2007
Subject: Jack Riley please contact me offline
Jack, if you are still on one of these lists, please contact me offline as
you have a moment.

Roy Inman
Group: S-Trains Message: 44199 From: Bill Lane Date: 5/24/2007
Subject: tender trucks
Hi All,

A good friend of mine is looking to get more of this tender truck.
http://www.lanestrains.com/tender_truck.jpg I don't remember who made them,
but judging from the little box it was an old time 50s era company. He would
like up to 3 sets. Please reply to bill@... if you have any
extra trucks you can sell.

Thank You,
Bill Lane

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44200 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 5/24/2007
Subject: Re: Making a 314AW Whistle work
Mike;

Well, I don't know the answer, I just didn't want you to feel ignored.

From 'extreme' memory, the whistle controller has inside, among other
things, a vibrator, that I would guess sends a sine wave modulation on
top of the normal AC to work with the resistor/capacitor network in the
tender. What I do know is the Diesel horn controller will not provide
what the whistle needs, and as you've discovered, neither will DC. It
works as well as it will ever work only with the whistle controller,
and that really isn't all that well.

Personally,,,,, it's not worth the effort unless you are extreme purist
that really really wants it right. If so, you need the whistle
controller as far as I know.

cheers
Phil D

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "omahakid2003" <amflyer@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know how to make the 314AW whistle blow without having
> the controller? I tried staright DC current but it didn't sound like
a
> whistle. I guess that either the whistle doesn't work or that
straight
> DC is not the answer.
>
> Mike Vana Omaha, NE.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44201 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 5/24/2007
Subject: Big News from the Canyon, Advert!
Hi Gang,
We have had so many ask us to make a line of main street sturctures
like DPM. We have seen a few say they will try it and not follow
through. I think the cost of hand casting the parts makes the project
look pricy compared to injection molded plastic. However, its the best
bet for our low production numbers in S-scale. Since we have all the
ducks already lined up for this type of project, we are now in full
swing on the first kit. The masters are looking great! Hope you don't
mind if they are much nicer than DPM. Bigger is better ya know! If you
would like to suggest dimensions or particular structures you like,
please email us off-list. The front walls will be properly scaled to
height and width, but how about using the same 3 to 4 inch depth? Or
something like 20 to 30 scale feet? We will also offer the front walls
by themselves once the kits get moving. We will bang out a couple kits
and see how they fly before proceding to other styles.
http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/s-scalekits.htm
Thank you for your support and Happy Cruising Main Street,
Keith Blanchard
YOUR Structure Source!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44202 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 5/24/2007
Subject: Re: Making a 314AW Whistle work
Mike,
I think you might need the "Electronic Whistle Control" for the
314AW....Correct me if I'm wrong. Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44203 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 5/24/2007
Subject: Re: Making a 314AW Whistle work
Keith,
is that the black one like a transformer,with toggle sw? Or is
that just for the 336 etc. Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44204 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 5/24/2007
Subject: Re: 314AW
My K-Line shows the black transformer like controller.
Also it states that the engine will run on AC or DC, but the whistle
will only work on AC. Mike
PS: The pages of K-Line are 48, 49, 50




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44205 From: George Cohn Date: 5/24/2007
Subject: Re: Making a 314AW Whistle work
Phil Dunlop wrote:
>
>
> Mike;
>
> Well, I don't know the answer, I just didn't want you to feel ignored.
>
> >From 'extreme' memory, the whistle controller has inside, among other
> things, a vibrator,

Having dealt with electronics since these trains were new, I can shed a
little light on this.

The can in the controller was a vibrator like used in many 50's era car
radios.

It created a voltage that changed polarity hundreds of times a second.
This was superimposed on the 60 HZ A/C that fed the train motors and
created a buzzing sound in the speaker. It was coupled to the speaker
through a capacitor and a resistor.

Actually, pretty crude technology but it was commonly available then and
worked. In radios, the vibrator was used to create a rough square wave
A/C signal for the step up transformer that output several hundred volts
for the tubes.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 44206 From: Bill Drake Date: 5/24/2007
Subject: Re: Making a 314AW Whistle work
The 314AW uses a scheme like the Lionel tender whistles. The control
box looks like a small oval transformer box. Inside is a rectifier that
provides a DC bias on the track that energizes a DC relay in the
tender. The contacts on the relay then route track power to the whistle
motor that drives a blower and makes the whistle sound in a way similar
to the billboard whistle mechanisms.

I haven't tried it, but a whistle/bell controller that came with one of
the Flyonel diesel sets might work when connected with the transformer
as shown in the instructions.

Bill Drake

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
>
> Mike,
> I think you might need the "Electronic Whistle Control"
for the
> 314AW....Correct me if I'm wrong. Mike
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44207 From: Bill Drake Date: 5/24/2007
Subject: 314AW Whistle Control
Someday I will figure out how to send a message to the group.

The 314AW is a one time effort by Gilbert to compete with the Lionel DC
activated whistle in the tender. The mechanism is motorized and similar
to the billboard whistle mechanism. So the 314AW (Air Whistle) is a K5
with a special controller that looks like the oval 40 or 50 Watt
transformer with a toggle switch on the top. In principle it works like
the Lionel DC activated tender whistle. In the controller is a
rectifier that imposes a DC bias onto the track. A DC relay in the
tender is energized by the DC bias and inturn applies track AC voltage
to the whistle motor. Whistle motor drives a blower....

I haven't tried it, but it is possible that a horn/bell activator from
a Flyonel diesel locomotive set will activate the relay in the tender
of the 314AW. The vibrator type air chime whistle controls will not
work. The whistle button on a Lionel transformer may work. If I ever
get the stuff out of the boxes, I will try.

Bill Drake
Group: S-Trains Message: 44208 From: George Cohn Date: 5/24/2007
Subject: Re: 314AW Whistle Control
Bill Drake wrote:
>
>
> Someday I will figure out how to send a message to the group.
>
> The 314AW is a one time effort by Gilbert to compete with the Lionel DC
> activated whistle in the tender. The mechanism is motorized and similar
> to the billboard whistle mechanism.

Seems to me that AC Gilbert was sued once for patent infringement
because they "copied" a Lionel whistle design. Perhaps this is the
model that was the cause of the legal problem?

All of the rest of them use a speaker with the resistor/capacitor
combination as far as I know.

George Cohn
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44210 From: Phil K Date: 5/24/2007
Subject: 314AW whistle vs. Air Chime
Are they the same, or similar?

In a word -- NO.

Simply put, the Air Chime Whistle was actually a speaker that
amplified a DC signal sent thru the tracks to the tender or billboard.

The sound generator needed to trigger the Air Chime had one of four
different tubes in it that contained a vibrating reed that
electronically created the "noise." It sounded like anything but
a "whistle" -- actually, it was only a loud buzz.

The only Flyer locomotive to contain a true mechanical whistle was
the 1949-50 314AW. It sounds absolutely great and authentic when
compared to the Air Chime, and had its own control button built into
an oval container not unlike early low-power transformers. It had a
momentary lever that needed to be pushed to one side to blow the
whistle. They sell today for $60 to over $100 based on cosmetic
appearance (no rust on the case).

Various rumors abound about Lionel suing American Flyer over patent
violations with the 314AW whistle and/or contacting Gilbert Co.
regarding this type of violation. They all claim that's why Gilbert
stopped making it.

However, Lionel's legal department told me they cannot find any
documentation to support these rumors -- either a polite warning
letter or an actual lawsuit. These rumors, by the way, have taken on a
life of their own. They've been parroted and regurgitated and
propagated incorrectly in most books about A.C. Gilbert American
Flyer. ACG's Maury Romer also said in his later years during
an interview with the late Peter Jugle that he knew of no legal
problems regarding the 314AW whistle unit. So the 314AW patent
infringement story is little more than an urban legend.

Truth is -- and if you've ever seen all the stuff packed into a 314AW
tender (reverse unit, whistle trigger system and mechanical whistle
itself) you'll understand. They were extremely difficult to service
when they malfunctioned, which apparently was quite often. American
Flyer authorized service centers complained loudly to Gilbert,
because repairs were difficult and time-consuming.

I've had to go in and reglue broken impeller pieces on several units
to get them to work again. The impellers self-destructed due to the
spinning motion, I'd guess.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 44211 From: Gary Chudzinski Date: 5/25/2007
Subject: Re: 314AW whistle
Bill Drake is absolutely correct....the 314AW whistle was DC activated. The oval box contained a selenium half wave rectifier which sent a pulsating DC current to the whistle mechanism in the tender. I had a couple 314's and took the whistle controller apart. Bridging or replacing the selenium rectifier with a silicon rectifier took care of the controller problems. Seleniums would deteriorate, get weak in time and have poor output. Early TV's had seleniums and doing the same using silicones cured the problem. Compared to today's digital sound decoders, the ACG sound was poor. Some kind of bellows (whatever) mechanism in the tender did not hold up well and replacement parts are scarce according to a friend that has repaired them. Whether or not the case ever went to court, I'm not sure, but threats from Lionel terminated that whistle design by AC as L claimed patent right infringements.

Gary Chudzinski
chudgr@...


RE: 314AW Whistle Control
Posted by: "Bill Drake" ee_train@... ee_train
Thu May 24, 2007 5:44 pm (PST)

The 314AW is a one time effort by Gilbert to compete with the Lionel DC
activated whistle in the tender. The mechanism is motorized and similar
to the billboard whistle mechanism. So the 314AW (Air Whistle) is a K5
with a special controller that looks like the oval 40 or 50 Watt
transformer with a toggle switch on the top. In principle it works like
the Lionel DC activated tender whistle. In the controller is a
rectifier that imposes a DC bias onto the track. A DC relay in the
tender is energized by the DC bias and inturn applies track AC voltage
to the whistle motor. Whistle motor drives a blower....

I haven't tried it, but it is possible that a horn/bell activator from
a Flyonel diesel locomotive set will activate the relay in the tender
of the 314AW. The vibrator type air chime whistle controls will not
work. The whistle button on a Lionel transformer may work. If I ever
get the stuff out of the boxes, I will try.

Bill Drake

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44212 From: Gary Chudzinski Date: 5/25/2007
Subject: Re: 314AW whistle
Forgot to mention in my previous post that a Lionel transformer and whistle button operates the 314 AW whistle. So, there must have been some similarity in it's electrical/mechanic operation. Makes sense if Lionel claimed patent infringement!

Gary Chudzinski
chudgr@...

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44213 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 5/25/2007
Subject: Whistle Controller?
With all the talk about the 314 engine & whistle controller, I thought it would be a good time to bring up a question I have. I have a gray rectangular metal box with the following information on the top: "American Flyer Electronic Whistle Control". I has a dark brown or burgundy dial that is probably made of bakelite. Under the dial is a curved arrow followed by the word "blow". I have no idea whether this is pre-war or post war because their is no number for identification. Can anyone help me identify what this is and a possible number of the unit?

Mike Leahy
Boulder, CO.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44214 From: Bill Drake Date: 5/25/2007
Subject: 314AW and the patent issue
Folklore or urban myth is in the picture here.

Patents require an application of new uses of a technical item or
using an established technical item in a new way. I am not a patent
attorney but have been involved in a couple of patent efforts so have
a little experience.

The use of DC superimposed on the track AC or in industrial control
applications on a pair of wires was certainly not new in 1949, 1950.
In fact Gilbert produced locomotives with the same DC over AC control
before the war. Also Gilbert produced DC over AC controlled whistles
in baggage cars before the war. If Lionel had a patent for this
technology, it would have gone after Gilbert long before 1949/50 and
there would be records in the legal system of the Lionel patent as
well as lawsuit activity if it had come to that. (research the Lionel
vs. Gilbert dump car issue in the late 50's). So the technology was
previously in use by Gilbert by at least 10 years and was unlikely to
have been subject to a late action by Lionel and more likely, there
was no such patent as the technology was not new nor was the
application of the technology.

I recall reading in the Gilbert autobiography, I think, that Gilbert
simply found that cramming all of the whistle mechanism and the
reverse unit into the tender was too costly and that is why no
additional locomotives were made that way.

Now we can digress into a philosophical discussion as to why they
picked the K5 tender for this experiment since the Hudson or Northern
tenders have more space for a motorized whistle and might not have
been as difficult to produce. Perhaps the engineers felt that if they
could get it to work in the K5, then the others would easily follow.

The airchime whistle arrived about the same time and possibly
provided a good enough solution to compete with Lionel, especially
when the cost to produce an airchime tender whistle versus a
motorized air whistle was taken into consideration.

Bill Drake
Group: S-Trains Message: 44215 From: Bill Drake Date: 5/25/2007
Subject: Mike Leahy question about whistle controller
Mike - and the group.

This whistle controller is the predecessor to the vibrating tube type.
It came with the locomotives with numbers ending in 4, ie. 324AC. This
controller uses a vacuum tube oscillator to produce the signal that is
transmitted on the tracks to the speaker/resistor/capacitor combination
in the tender. Obviously this was much more costly than the later
vibration activated signal generator and disappeared when Gilbert
figured out the lower cost version.

Bill Drake
Group: S-Trains Message: 44216 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 5/25/2007
Subject: Re: Whistle Controller?
Mike,
I looked it up in my K-Line book & it is only listed as the
"Electronic Whistle Controller" it is on page 165 if you have the K-Line book.
Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44217 From: Bill Drake Date: 5/25/2007
Subject: More than you ever wanted to know about whistle systems
Gilbert's prewar whistling baggage cars used a fourth rail, not
unlike the 2-rail postwar activators for mail pickup, dump etc.
action cars. The use of the 4th rail limits you to being able to blow
the whistle only where you've installed the 4th rail. So it's not
quite the same as the way as Lionel did it. OTOH, Marx had an air
whistle in tender, and danged if it doesn't work exactly as Lionel's
(and Marx had a whistling station, too). "The Collector" had an
article about this and concluded that there was no patent issue, just
a servicability issue. The ACW tender is oveercrowded-imagine a
whistle/motor unit in there, too.

-J marganski

Received this off line but I would like to clarify.

The Chicago Flyer produced a whistle system that used a fourth rail
to activate the whistle. The Zephyr and UP streamliners, and the
Hiawatha tender had this system. But in 1939, 40 and 41, there were
Gilbert produced whistle systems that used the DC over the AC on
three rail track activation method. Gilbert also used this DC
activation method for controlling the reverse unit in some
locomotives both in 3/16" O and in HO. Some of the hook up sheets for
the baggage car whistle systems discuss the problems with using the
DC activated whistle in the baggage car in the same train as a DC
activated reverse unit locomotive. Mostly it wouldn't work in the
same train.

Bill Drake
Group: S-Trains Message: 44218 From: Roger Petrella Date: 5/25/2007
Subject: Re: 314AW
Mike,

I have two originals that look like the oval transformer with a toggle switch on top, but I have never opened them up. They are pretty hard to find, and expensive when you do find one. Both Portlines ($40) and RF Giardina ($45) sell repro controllers that use electronics.

Roger Petrella
Franktown, CO

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44219 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 5/25/2007
Subject: Re: AW CONTROLLER
According to my T&M 2000 Guide, the Electronic Tube type controller goes
with the 324AC. Mike S.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44220 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/25/2007
Subject: train damage
Last April, after I got back from the York TCA meet with the new items I purchased, as I working on some sets from 1958 to 1963, I had to rearrange my trains on the shelves with the new items, moving items I have purchase at previous shows, etc.

One of the pieces I had to move, was my prized 24426 Rath Reefer, that I got from Jim Patterson around 1993 in E+ condition.

My heart sank a bit, as a cat walk on one end was badly chipped, as that is not the way I purchased it from Jim and I never dropped it!

The only thing I can think of was, that from 1982 to 2003, we had used many different pet sitters to take care of our two cats. One of them must of taken this car off the shelve to look and dropped it. And the reason why I think they looked at this car, is because of the recognizable road name, Rath and the logo, since Rath at one time, before they went out of business, was a big name in the grocery store for bacon and ham products.

This car is valued in E in the TM guide book at $600 and Greenberg has it at $710.

We no longer have the cats anymore, as they passed on in 2002, age 20 and 2003, age 19. They had good healthcare system here. O:)!

But we decided back in 2003, that was pretty much it for pets, for many reasons, but discovering this, really makes me not want to have strangers in my home when we are gone, as I also have a coin collection and all my baseball cards from 1959 to 1974. Plus, my wife's jewelry, etc.

However, I do have collectable insurance with Collectibles Insurance Agency and I called them today and the damage is covered! They are going to send me a claim form, as I have no idea how much they will pay or what happens to the item, as I would think, that if they pay me in full, minus any deductibles, the item might become theirs, which is fine, if that is too happens.

So, yes, I have paid into this insurance for many years, but you never know what will, can and when something might happen. Just having the peace of might when we are away on the collectibles is worth having the insurance, as you never know when a break in might occur also, as I think it would be slim, but worth having.

I will let all know what happens with this claim, as I have never seen anyone on these list file a claim.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44221 From: Phil K Date: 5/25/2007
Subject: Re: 314AW whistle
The 314AW whistle mechanism used the same principle and most of the
same parts as the whistling billboards, IIRC. Capitalizing on the
economy of scale, Gilbert found multiple uses for many parts -- as with
the house on top of the truss bridge and the cab of some of the early
crane cars.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 44222 From: innotron Date: 5/26/2007
Subject: 577 Billboard whistle
Hi all,
I have two 577 Billboard whistles, one is quite loud but the other one is low volume. Does anyone know how to crank up the volume?
Thanks alot,
Alex

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44223 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 5/26/2007
Subject: Fw: Need another Flyonel GP-9 shell
OOPS!

The Flonel GP-7 shell (like the NKPs) would also work for this project.
Keep in touch!

Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@...
Sn42 and Hn42 river logging fan
Virginian Rwy fan
Bonsai grasshopper
Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana.


----- Original Message -----
From: Donald Munsey Jr.
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 6:46 AM
Subject: Need another Flyonel GP-9 shell


My Friends,

I've come up with a devious plan for a new locomotive and need another Flyonel GP-9 shell - I'd like one of the black ones (like the NYC) to simplify painting. I've got a couple of NIBacific Rail boxcar kits (AAR-40' T&P and AAR 40' Norfolk Navy Yard) just sitting on the shelf that I'd be willing to work into a swap. I also have a Pacific Rail B&M 50ft box car - partially built - details still in box that doesn't fit my vision.

THNX for the time.

Keep in touch!

Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@...
Sn42 and Hn42 river logging fan
Virginian Rwy fan
Bonsai grasshopper
Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44224 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 5/26/2007
Subject: Need another Flyonel GP-9 shell
My Friends,

I've come up with a devious plan for a new locomotive and need another Flyonel GP-9 shell - I'd like one of the black ones (like the NYC) to simplify painting. I've got a couple of NIBacific Rail boxcar kits (AAR-40' T&P and AAR 40' Norfolk Navy Yard) just sitting on the shelf that I'd be willing to work into a swap. I also have a Pacific Rail B&M 50ft box car - partially built - details still in box that doesn't fit my vision.

THNX for the time.

Keep in touch!

Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@...
Sn42 and Hn42 river logging fan
Virginian Rwy fan
Bonsai grasshopper
Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44225 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 5/26/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: Need another Flyonel GP-9 shell
I tried unsuccessfully many times to get replacement Geep shells from
FLYONEL during the Kuhn years. Back then, the can motors would heat up and melt the shells IF you actually ran the things. I showed the "Cereal Queen" (nice lady, by the way) how to alleviate that problem, still have chassis with melted shells at NTTM.

Jim Lyle
Group: S-Trains Message: 44226 From: Phil K Date: 5/26/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: Need another Flyonel GP-9 shell
I'll bite. How DO you alleviate the problem?

Phil K

****************************************************************
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote:
>
> I tried unsuccessfully many times to get replacement Geep shells
from
> FLYONEL during the Kuhn years. Back then, the can motors would heat
up and melt the shells IF you actually ran the things. I showed
the "Cereal Queen" (nice lady, by the way) how to alleviate that
problem, still have chassis with melted shells at NTTM.
>
> Jim Lyle
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44227 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/26/2007
Subject: TXCL
While doing our weekly bike ride of 33 miles on the C&O Canal, we have lunch at a lockhouse, that is parallel to a CSX line, right below, Brunswick, MD, a major hub for CSX.

We get to see many trains go by.

But today, we saw some tank cars as the road name was something like TXCL, I think.

My wife said, "Look, the small print below the road name said "The Tank Car People"!"

Anyone know of this line? Never seen that before.

So, if you need a tank car, you know who to call.

I getting one for my backyard!
Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44228 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 5/26/2007
Subject: Mikado
Hey Train Guys,

Has anyone figured which wire to cut to get the Flyonel Mikado to run on DC?
I'd like to get the thing out for some turnout testing and I operate on DC
so I need to convert the 2-8-2 from the Flyonel AC to DC.

Thanks, I hope there is an answer,

Tom Stoltz

Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork
Maine S Gaugers
NASG

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44229 From: Tom Hawley Date: 5/26/2007
Subject: Re: TXCL
---- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
we saw some tank cars as the road name was something like TXCL, I think.
> > > > > > > >
How about UTLX ?
< < < < < < < <
My wife said, "Look, the small print below the road name said "The Tank Car
People"!"
Anyone know of this line? Never seen that before.
> > > > > > > >
Put "The Tank Car People" into a web search and you get
http://www.utlx.com/TA/index.asp

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
Group: S-Trains Message: 44230 From: Phil K Date: 5/26/2007
Subject: Interesting cab camera video of train wreck
It's 45 seconds of video with sound leading up to a head-on BNSF train
wreck in 2006 from a loco-mounted camera. No one was killed,
fortunately. The oncoming train's crew was "asleep at the switch" and
missed a stop signal. They were supposed to stop short of a switch to
allow the "camera train" to slip into a passing siding.

Both trains were slammed into in full emergency, but still each was
doing about 40mph at the time.

But please note -- they've been pulling it off different video sites
(probably for legal reasons) so look at it right away if you're
interested while it's still up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z5PQf_ujqo
Group: S-Trains Message: 44231 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: TXCL
Thanks Tom!

Neat website.

They have a repair link and a "blue book" link!

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Hawley
To: S-trains
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TXCL


---- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
we saw some tank cars as the road name was something like TXCL, I think.
> > > > > > > >
How about UTLX ?
< < < < < < < <
My wife said, "Look, the small print below the road name said "The Tank Car
People"!"
Anyone know of this line? Never seen that before.
> > > > > > > >
Put "The Tank Car People" into a web search and you get
http://www.utlx.com/TA/index.asp

Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44232 From: Rick Evans Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: Interesting cab camera video of train wreck
Here's ONE way of getting your kid off the RR track.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqw_8lvwmT4&mode=related&search=

Rick.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44233 From: clayton deich Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: Interesting cab camera video of train wreck
Hi All of you, and thank you Phil for that video;
that was so cool. So on that line I found a great
train wreck video also, and this is one that you all
need to see. Here it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u9Vl2tPJaQ&NR=1






--- Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote:

> It's 45 seconds of video with sound leading up to a
> head-on BNSF train
> wreck in 2006 from a loco-mounted camera. No one was
> killed,
> fortunately. The oncoming train's crew was "asleep
> at the switch" and
> missed a stop signal. They were supposed to stop
> short of a switch to
> allow the "camera train" to slip into a passing
> siding.
>
> Both trains were slammed into in full emergency, but
> still each was
> doing about 40mph at the time.
>
> But please note -- they've been pulling it off
> different video sites
> (probably for legal reasons) so look at it right
> away if you're
> interested while it's still up:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z5PQf_ujqo
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44234 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: pick-up shoes
4b.


<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/message/42080;_ylc=X3oDMTJxaXFmN2k2BF

--> Re: Review of Custom Trax
turnouts and Tom's Turnouts

Posted by: "Tim Brown" Timboy@...
<http://profiles.yahoo.com/timstrains2000> timstrains2000

Sat May 26, 2007 5:36 pm (PST)

--- In <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com> S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, "Richard
Karnes" <karnesrn@...> wrote:

So what about the American S Gauge turnouts, which I have asserted from
my independent testing, are not suitable for both high-rail (because of
the problem with vintage diesel pick-up shoes and sideframes) and
scale. Has anyone done more testing with these turnouts? Are they
universal. I say NO!

Tim Brown



Hi Tim and all,

Tim I wrote to you before about how the insert in my turnouts allows for the
operation of Flyer pick-up shoes. I finally figured out how to get photos
to the group and would like to say I've added a new album, "Tom's Turnouts &
Trackwork" with the following link:
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/photos/browse/201e

This series of photos shows many of the details now standard on all of my
products including some close up views of the insert that Dick was missing
in his gracious review.

I would like to thank Allen Evans of the CCSG for the photos. I'll be
adding more.

Tom Stoltz

Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork
Maine S Gaugers
NASG

www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/>







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Group: S-Trains Message: 44235 From: innotron Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: S trains at Balboa Park
Hi all,
To those who live in our San Diego area, The San Diego Model Railroad Museum in Balboa Park is currently presenting an American Flyer Train Exhibit which will continue until June 3rd, 2007.
Alex

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44236 From: David Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: 314AW whistle
I know there was a lot of talk about the 314aw whistle the other day
and I thought it would be appropriate to add this.
If your whistle does not work or it works weakly, contact Steve and Sam
at SnS Trains. I had mine repaired there and it worked perfectly. If
anyone tries to tell you that you can't expect these whistles to sound
anything like the whistling billboard, they are misinformed. Mine
whistles louder than I expected...SnS did a fine job.
David Girson
Group: S-Trains Message: 44237 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: 314AW whistle
I have to agree with David. Sam & Steve did my 324AW & it ran great after.
Mike S.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44238 From: Phil K Date: 5/27/2007
Subject: Re: S trains at Balboa Park
Is Balboa Park rocky?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "innotron" <innotron@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> To those who live in our San Diego area, The San Diego Model Railroad
Museum in Balboa Park is currently presenting an American Flyer Train
Exhibit which will continue until June 3rd, 2007.
> Alex
Group: S-Trains Message: 44239 From: Donald Thompson Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: S trains at Balboa Park
Dear Alex,
Robin and I visited Balboa Park in the October of 2005. The Santa
Fe station right next to the park should not be missed. Very nice. And
the tall ships, SP Ferry and other maritime exhibits are a real treat
too. I am sorry they did not have the AF train exhibit then.
Best,
Don

innotron wrote:

> Hi all,
> To those who live in our San Diego area, The San Diego Model Railroad
> Museum in Balboa Park is currently presenting an American Flyer Train
> Exhibit which will continue until June 3rd, 2007.
> Alex
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44240 From: Paul4Schil@aol.com Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Trainstuff LLC Going Out of Business
As you may know, TrainStuffLLC produces a line of S scale urban structures.
I've purchased several myself.

Yesterday I went to the TrainstuffLLC website and saw the following at
the top of the homepage:

"After much soul searching and really looking at things I have decided
to sell off all the masters, molds and rights. I thank all my customers and
will let you know who they go to. Hope everyone has a sparklin' day! Dayna"

This was confirmed by e-mail to the company.

Paul S.





************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44241 From: roy inman Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts)
Hi Tom, and I like the sound of your suggestion.

And one additional thought: Any chance such a simulation could be repeated
at S Fest in St. Louis in November? Baltimore is a pretty fair hike for many
of S gaugers in American, including us Midwesterners, but being situated
more centrally, a St. Louis testing ground might attract more onlookers.

Just IMHO.

Roy Inman, who struggled for some time getting Lionel made O gauge steam
engines to run through Lionel made turnouts, and that was all off the shelf,
contemporary stuff that was SUPPOSED to work together flawlessly.

From: Thomas Stoltz <tstoltz@...>
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 11:25:35 -0400
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, 'Jeffrey Madden' <nasgdispatch@...>
Subject: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts)


Hello to Everyone,

This turnout business has been being kicked around and around. I would like
to thank all the people who have sent words of support. Not all the mail
has been kind, one person even threatened to publish his biased review in
the Dispatch if I didn't send him a turnout.

Enough, already. For every person who claims my turnouts don't work, I can
show letters from customers who are very happy with my products and some of
those include people who run brass. Obviously, one person's testing is not
going to satisfy the Doubters anymore than a Doubter could test my turnouts
fairly.

What I am going to propose is a test of all S gauge turnouts for a
comparison like we have seen done in Model Railroader. This testing would
be out in the open and away from any bias with the results published in as
much of the S gauge press as possible.

The testing would involve the running of trains, not pushing trucks through
the turnouts. And certainly not just measuring turnouts to one set of
standards, which as little bearing for the vast majority of S gauge
equipment. All S gauge equipment will be represented - Flyer, Hi-rail and
scale. All turnout manufacturers will have their chance to show the S world
what their turnouts can do.

To keep the testing above board, I would hope the testers would be from all
aspects of S. I would welcome the NASG to sponsor the testing - maybe it
could happen at the NASG convention in Baltimore this summer.

I would hope we wouldn't see set ups like ASG track with a SHS turnout -
track and turnout should match within reason. I trust there are those among
us who know how to set up a controlled test to eliminate bias and could
oversee the whole process.

Let me be the first to state that Tom's Turnouts will be there for testing.
I also want to say I will not submit my turnouts to any individual for
testing because of bias. Groups where the testing is open and honest will
always accommodated.

Come on NASG, let's do it,

Tom Stoltz
Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork

Revolutionizing S gauge,

One turnout at a time

www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44242 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: proposal (turnouts)
Hello to Everyone,

This turnout business has been being kicked around and around. I would like
to thank all the people who have sent words of support. Not all the mail
has been kind, one person even threatened to publish his biased review in
the Dispatch if I didn't send him a turnout.

Enough, already. For every person who claims my turnouts don't work, I can
show letters from customers who are very happy with my products and some of
those include people who run brass. Obviously, one person's testing is not
going to satisfy the Doubters anymore than a Doubter could test my turnouts
fairly.

What I am going to propose is a test of all S gauge turnouts for a
comparison like we have seen done in Model Railroader. This testing would
be out in the open and away from any bias with the results published in as
much of the S gauge press as possible.

The testing would involve the running of trains, not pushing trucks through
the turnouts. And certainly not just measuring turnouts to one set of
standards, which as little bearing for the vast majority of S gauge
equipment. All S gauge equipment will be represented - Flyer, Hi-rail and
scale. All turnout manufacturers will have their chance to show the S world
what their turnouts can do.

To keep the testing above board, I would hope the testers would be from all
aspects of S. I would welcome the NASG to sponsor the testing - maybe it
could happen at the NASG convention in Baltimore this summer.

I would hope we wouldn't see set ups like ASG track with a SHS turnout -
track and turnout should match within reason. I trust there are those among
us who know how to set up a controlled test to eliminate bias and could
oversee the whole process.

Let me be the first to state that Tom's Turnouts will be there for testing.
I also want to say I will not submit my turnouts to any individual for
testing because of bias. Groups where the testing is open and honest will
always accommodated.

Come on NASG, let's do it,

Tom Stoltz
Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork

Revolutionizing S gauge,

One turnout at a time

www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44243 From: Gary Chudzinski Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: S trains at Balboa Park
Alex,
Over the past couple of years, I've traveled to San Diego, at least five times, to visit my son and took the opportunity to see the train exhibits at Balboa Park. IMHO, the five layouts represent the finest model railroad exhibits I've ever seen to date! Now that my son has moved back to Ohio, I'm sorry to say I don't know when I will again be able to go to the museum. It's unfortunate that a club in the area representing S scale did not get space for a layout. The only scale not having a permanent home there!

Gary Chudzinski

chudgr@...

>Re: S trains at Balboa Park
>Posted by: "innotron" innotron@... poolball2007
>Sun May 27, 2007 10:23 pm (PST)
>Hi all,
>To those who live in our San Diego area, The San Diego Model Railroad Museum in Balboa Park is currently presenting an American Flyer Train Exhibit >which will continue until June 3rd, 2007.
>Alex

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44244 From: cindy novak Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: S trains at Balboa Park
I was just there yesterday. They're a great bunch of folks. They have a nice collection on display that's a blend of classic Flyer and newer engines. They're having a tough time keeping coverage during the week, so you might want to visit on the weekend if you want to see them running.
Cindy
Group: S-Trains Message: 44245 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts)
Hi Roy,

As a manufacturer of turnouts, I can't design the test without some bias
entering in. My suggestion is to end up with a matrix for comparison of all
the various turnouts and unbiased so the people could depend on the results
rather than the hearsay we get on the lists.

A tinplate #3 turnout does a very different job than a scale #8 turnout,
however they can be compared as to what they will run, ease of installation,
ease of adapting to another track system, appearance, type, dependability,
DCC friendly, wiring, pick up shoe compatibility, wheel gauging forgiveness,
etc and whatever. The finally test parameters will be up to the designers
of the test and I hope it will be all encompassing.

Again, my hope is there will be some people who know how to design a
reliable test procedure that is fair, open, honest and objective.
Otherwise, it would be just more of the same old hearsay. I hope all
manufacturers of S gauge turnouts will participate, no matter how small
their niche.

My turnouts will be there,

Tom Stoltz





_____

From: roy inman [mailto:rinphoto@...]
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:35 AM
To: Thomas Stoltz; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; 'Jeffrey Madden'
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts)



Hi Tom, and I like the sound of your suggestion.

And one additional thought: Any chance such a simulation could be repeated
at S Fest in St. Louis in November? Baltimore is a pretty fair hike for many
of S gaugers in American, including us Midwesterners, but being situated
more centrally, a St. Louis testing ground might attract more onlookers.

Just IMHO.

Roy Inman, who struggled for some time getting Lionel made O gauge steam
engines to run through Lionel made turnouts, and that was all off the shelf,
contemporary stuff that was SUPPOSED to work together flawlessly.









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Group: S-Trains Message: 44246 From: Phil K Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Unfair threat needs to be addressed
>> From: Thomas Stoltz <tstoltz@...>

>>Not all the mail has been kind, one person even threatened to
publish his biased review in the Dispatch if I didn't send him a
turnout.<<

Tom, believe it or not, this is a serious matter.

Because The Dispatch is published under the authority of a registered
non-profit (The National Association of S Gaugers), by law NO ONE is
permitted to use The Dispatch for their own personal or business gain
or to "threaten" people with "biased reviews".

Please email the person's name and forward the offending email to
NASG president Sam McCoy immediately at samuel.j.mccoy-at-
mindspring.com. If it is a regular Dispatch writer, he should be
immediately dismissed for this misuse of authority.

Tom, Sam really needs to know about this indescretion because the
integrity of the NASG is at stake now that this has become part of a
public discussion.

Phil K

****************************************************************

> Enough, already. For every person who claims my turnouts don't
work, I can
> show letters from customers who are very happy with my products and
some of
> those include people who run brass. Obviously, one person's
testing is not
> going to satisfy the Doubters anymore than a Doubter could test my
turnouts
> fairly.
>
> What I am going to propose is a test of all S gauge turnouts for a
> comparison like we have seen done in Model Railroader. This
testing would
> be out in the open and away from any bias with the results
published in as
> much of the S gauge press as possible.
>
> The testing would involve the running of trains, not pushing trucks
through
> the turnouts. And certainly not just measuring turnouts to one set
of
> standards, which as little bearing for the vast majority of S gauge
> equipment. All S gauge equipment will be represented - Flyer, Hi-
rail and
> scale. All turnout manufacturers will have their chance to show
the S world
> what their turnouts can do.
>
> To keep the testing above board, I would hope the testers would be
from all
> aspects of S. I would welcome the NASG to sponsor the testing -
maybe it
> could happen at the NASG convention in Baltimore this summer.
>
> I would hope we wouldn't see set ups like ASG track with a SHS
turnout -
> track and turnout should match within reason. I trust there are
those among
> us who know how to set up a controlled test to eliminate bias and
could
> oversee the whole process.
>
> Let me be the first to state that Tom's Turnouts will be there for
testing.
> I also want to say I will not submit my turnouts to any individual
for
> testing because of bias. Groups where the testing is open and
honest will
> always accommodated.
>
> Come on NASG, let's do it,
>
> Tom Stoltz
> Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork
>
> Revolutionizing S gauge,
>
> One turnout at a time
>
> www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44247 From: Marty.Thorin Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: train damage
Dear Mike:
My father had an insured model locomotive that was damaged in
the mail. He reported it. They offered to pay the insurance, in full
-- in exchange for the damaged, On3, one-of-a-kind locomotive. Then my
father asked "What happens to it?" "Why, it is destroyed, of course."
My father was horrified. Instead he worked with the Postmaster. They
paid for parts and rebuild time (which was less than the total value).

Why am I telling you this? I believe you can get your E+ insurance
money. But the Rath Reefer will probably be destroyed.

I dislike destroying items that are otherwise looking forward to a long
and productive life. If I were you I would talk to my insurance agent.
If my agent is already willing to pay the E+ amount, then I am sure I
can talk her into paying the difference between E+ and VG. Then I would
sell the VG and use the total to purchase a new E+. Now I have three
happy people: the new owner of the VG, the seller of the E+, and I!

Let us know what transpires,
Thorin

________________________________________________________________________

8. train damage
Posted by: "Michael and Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000
Date: Fri May 25, 2007 6:45 pm ((PDT))

Last April, after I got back from the York TCA meet with the new items I
purchased, as I working on some sets from 1958 to 1963, I had to
rearrange my trains on the shelves with the new items, moving items I
have purchase at previous shows, etc.

One of the pieces I had to move, was my prized 24426 Rath Reefer, that I
got from Jim Patterson around 1993 in E+ condition.

My heart sank a bit, as a cat walk on one end was badly chipped, as that
is not the way I purchased it from Jim and I never dropped it!

The only thing I can think of was, that from 1982 to 2003, we had used
many different pet sitters to take care of our two cats. One of them
must of taken this car off the shelve to look and dropped it. And the
reason why I think they looked at this car, is because of the
recognizable road name, Rath and the logo, since Rath at one time,
before they went out of business, was a big name in the grocery store
for bacon and ham products.

This car is valued in E in the TM guide book at $600 and Greenberg has
it at $710.

We no longer have the cats anymore, as they passed on in 2002, age 20
and 2003, age 19. They had good healthcare system here. O:)!

But we decided back in 2003, that was pretty much it for pets, for many
reasons, but discovering this, really makes me not want to have
strangers in my home when we are gone, as I also have a coin collection
and all my baseball cards from 1959 to 1974. Plus, my wife's jewelry,
etc.

However, I do have collectable insurance with Collectibles Insurance
Agency and I called them today and the damage is covered! They are
going to send me a claim form, as I have no idea how much they will pay
or what happens to the item, as I would think, that if they pay me in
full, minus any deductibles, the item might become theirs, which is
fine, if that is too happens.

So, yes, I have paid into this insurance for many years, but you never
know what will, can and when something might happen. Just having the
peace of might when we are away on the collectibles is worth having the
insurance, as you never know when a break in might occur also, as I
think it would be slim, but worth having.

I will let all know what happens with this claim, as I have never seen
anyone on these list file a claim.

Mike Marmer



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44248 From: roy inman Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: New 1/64th vehicles
I have just discovered what I think is a new line of 1/64 scale vehicles by
Jada Toys.

Found three at Wal-Mart.

The line is called "For Sale" and includes weathered, kind of beat up,
dusty, rusty, multiple-colored fenders vehicles from a 1947 Ford F-100 to a
'59 Cadillac, and a bunch more.

Others may have seen them, but this is new to me. There are photos on the
www.jadatoys.com web site.

Oh, and each vehicle has a "For Sale" sign on the windshield. Pretty
funky...

I don't know if the Wal-Mart where I sometimes shop is just carrying the
three, or if perhaps the line is so new that the rest aren't out yet.

Roy Inman
Group: S-Trains Message: 44249 From: roy inman Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts)
True enough. I have a particular interest in the subject, and even I have
decided by now how I will handle the multiple wheels conundrum.

Roy inman

> From: Alex Binkley <alex.binkley@...>
> Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 13:22:51 -0400
> To: 'roy inman' <rinphoto@...>, S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, Thomas
> Stoltz <tstoltz@...>
> Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, 'Jeffrey Madden' <nasgdispatch@...>
> Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts)
>
> I for one only operate scale. could we not just brand switches as scale
> only, hirail only or goes both ways if you are lucky. Full credit to Tom for
> his proposal but we seem to be take up a lot of internet time for this topic
> that has me reaching for the delete button in a hurry.
> cheers
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44250 From: roy inman Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Z stuff
Speaking of RR signals, I see that Z stuff for trains is now offering four
varieties of signals in S: two blade semaphores and two target signals. The
blade semaphores are $62.95 and the target signals(?) are $47.95 and $49.95
each. And according to the web site, they have built-in sensors detect an
approaching train. I may have my nomenclature confused, but for any who have
an interest, they can be found at
www.z-stuff.net/new_page_5.htm.

I have not seen any of the O or HO products from these folks.

Anyone have any feedback on those?

Roy Inman
Group: S-Trains Message: 44251 From: Rick Evans Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: New 1/64th vehicles
Thanks for the head's-up. Those are neat.
http://www.jadatoys.com/products.php?category=new
I've only done that to one Racing Champions car, on old '50 Ford.
Scraped off some paint, painted some rust here 'n there.

Rick.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44252 From: Donald Thompson Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Z stuff
Dear Roy,
It you want something easy and do not care that they used their O
gauge relay cabinet, heads and blades, you should consider Z stuff.
Their booth is across from us at York and I looked at their S gauge
display. They seemed to be exactly the same as their O gauge but with a
shorter mast.
Best regards,
Don

roy inman wrote:

> Speaking of RR signals, I see that Z stuff for trains is now offering four
> varieties of signals in S: two blade semaphores and two target
> signals. The
> blade semaphores are $62.95 and the target signals(?) are $47.95 and
> $49.95
> each. And according to the web site, they have built-in sensors detect an
> approaching train. I may have my nomenclature confused, but for any
> who have
> an interest, they can be found at
> www.z-stuff.net/new_page_5.htm.
>
> I have not seen any of the O or HO products from these folks.
>
> Anyone have any feedback on those?
>
> Roy Inman
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44253 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: train damage
Hi Marty,

Thanks for telling all the story about your father and his insured item, as that does relate to my situation.

Yes, I understand, that the item may become property of the insurance company if I follow through on this, as I am waiting on word about future rates of insurance issues, before I make a decision on this.

Thanks for the tip about asking the insurance company to work out something on a settlement to try to save this item.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Marty.Thorin
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 5:36 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: train damage


Dear Mike:
My father had an insured model locomotive that was damaged in
the mail. He reported it. They offered to pay the insurance, in full
-- in exchange for the damaged, On3, one-of-a-kind locomotive. Then my
father asked "What happens to it?" "Why, it is destroyed, of course."
My father was horrified. Instead he worked with the Postmaster. They
paid for parts and rebuild time (which was less than the total value).

Why am I telling you this? I believe you can get your E+ insurance
money. But the Rath Reefer will probably be destroyed.

I dislike destroying items that are otherwise looking forward to a long
and productive life. If I were you I would talk to my insurance agent.
If my agent is already willing to pay the E+ amount, then I am sure I
can talk her into paying the difference between E+ and VG. Then I would
sell the VG and use the total to purchase a new E+. Now I have three
happy people: the new owner of the VG, the seller of the E+, and I!

Let us know what transpires,
Thorin

__________________________________________________________

8. train damage
Posted by: "Michael and Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000
Date: Fri May 25, 2007 6:45 pm ((PDT))

Last April, after I got back from the York TCA meet with the new items I
purchased, as I working on some sets from 1958 to 1963, I had to
rearrange my trains on the shelves with the new items, moving items I
have purchase at previous shows, etc.

One of the pieces I had to move, was my prized 24426 Rath Reefer, that I
got from Jim Patterson around 1993 in E+ condition.

My heart sank a bit, as a cat walk on one end was badly chipped, as that
is not the way I purchased it from Jim and I never dropped it!

The only thing I can think of was, that from 1982 to 2003, we had used
many different pet sitters to take care of our two cats. One of them
must of taken this car off the shelve to look and dropped it. And the
reason why I think they looked at this car, is because of the
recognizable road name, Rath and the logo, since Rath at one time,
before they went out of business, was a big name in the grocery store
for bacon and ham products.

This car is valued in E in the TM guide book at $600 and Greenberg has
it at $710.

We no longer have the cats anymore, as they passed on in 2002, age 20
and 2003, age 19. They had good healthcare system here. O:)!

But we decided back in 2003, that was pretty much it for pets, for many
reasons, but discovering this, really makes me not want to have
strangers in my home when we are gone, as I also have a coin collection
and all my baseball cards from 1959 to 1974. Plus, my wife's jewelry,
etc.

However, I do have collectable insurance with Collectibles Insurance
Agency and I called them today and the damage is covered! They are
going to send me a claim form, as I have no idea how much they will pay
or what happens to the item, as I would think, that if they pay me in
full, minus any deductibles, the item might become theirs, which is
fine, if that is too happens.

So, yes, I have paid into this insurance for many years, but you never
know what will, can and when something might happen. Just having the
peace of might when we are away on the collectibles is worth having the
insurance, as you never know when a break in might occur also, as I
think it would be slim, but worth having.

I will let all know what happens with this claim, as I have never seen
anyone on these list file a claim.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44254 From: John Degnan Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} New 1/64th vehicles
I found these a while back, but I think you're gonna find that the line isn't as great as it appears. MOST of them are "souped-up" with HUGE, rear racing tires, some are "lowered," some are jacked up in the rear and others are chop-tops, all of which are completely worthless, not to mention stupid looking, in my humble opinion of course. The only two I have found usable (so far) are the 1957 Checy Suburban and the 1959 Cadillac (which is two years after my cut-off date, so not really usable for my era).


John Degnan
Scaler164@...

----- Original Message -----
From: roy inman
To: S-scale ; S-Trains
Sent: May 28, 2007 5:50 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} New 1/64th vehicles


I have just discovered what I think is a new line of 1/64 scale vehicles by
Jada Toys.

Found three at Wal-Mart.

The line is called "For Sale" and includes weathered, kind of beat up,
dusty, rusty, multiple-colored fenders vehicles from a 1947 Ford F-100 to a
'59 Cadillac, and a bunch more.

Others may have seen them, but this is new to me. There are photos on the
www.jadatoys.com web site.

Oh, and each vehicle has a "For Sale" sign on the windshield. Pretty
funky...

I don't know if the Wal-Mart where I sometimes shop is just carrying the
three, or if perhaps the line is so new that the rest aren't out yet.

Roy Inman



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44255 From: Rick Evans Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} New 1/64th vehicles
****(((( "MOST of them are "souped-up" with HUGE, rear racing tires, some are "lowered," some are jacked up in the rear and others are chop-tops,..." )))))))******


I wondered about that, some rear wheels looked wide!

Rick.








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Group: S-Trains Message: 44256 From: Scott Freeman Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Damaged car
If you explain the rareity of the car to them They will work with you. I agree do not let the car be distroyed. I had a simalur thing happen with a pre war dealer poster that got damaged in shipping. They paid me for it and let me keep it simply because it was rare.\
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44257 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: train damage
A friend of mine up north received a LN Lionel engine in the mail...... Insured by the PO..... It had been dropped and the front ruined..... The PO issued him a check to cover the full amount..... when he went in to get it they still had the loco.... After picking up the check he asked what were they going to do with the loco......THROW IT IN THE TRASH.... YOU WANT IT?.... He repaired it back to like new. with parts from his shop.... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Marty.Thorin
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: train damage


Hi Marty,

Thanks for telling all the story about your father and his insured item, as that does relate to my situation.

Yes, I understand, that the item may become property of the insurance company if I follow through on this, as I am waiting on word about future rates of insurance issues, before I make a decision on this.

Thanks for the tip about asking the insurance company to work out something on a settlement to try to save this item.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Marty.Thorin
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 5:36 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: train damage

Dear Mike:
My father had an insured model locomotive that was damaged in
the mail. He reported it. They offered to pay the insurance, in full
-- in exchange for the damaged, On3, one-of-a-kind locomotive. Then my
father asked "What happens to it?" "Why, it is destroyed, of course."
My father was horrified. Instead he worked with the Postmaster. They
paid for parts and rebuild time (which was less than the total value).

Why am I telling you this? I believe you can get your E+ insurance
money. But the Rath Reefer will probably be destroyed.

I dislike destroying items that are otherwise looking forward to a long
and productive life. If I were you I would talk to my insurance agent.
If my agent is already willing to pay the E+ amount, then I am sure I
can talk her into paying the difference between E+ and VG. Then I would
sell the VG and use the total to purchase a new E+. Now I have three
happy people: the new owner of the VG, the seller of the E+, and I!

Let us know what transpires,
Thorin

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8. train damage
Posted by: "Michael and Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000
Date: Fri May 25, 2007 6:45 pm ((PDT))

Last April, after I got back from the York TCA meet with the new items I
purchased, as I working on some sets from 1958 to 1963, I had to
rearrange my trains on the shelves with the new items, moving items I
have purchase at previous shows, etc.

One of the pieces I had to move, was my prized 24426 Rath Reefer, that I
got from Jim Patterson around 1993 in E+ condition.

My heart sank a bit, as a cat walk on one end was badly chipped, as that
is not the way I purchased it from Jim and I never dropped it!

The only thing I can think of was, that from 1982 to 2003, we had used
many different pet sitters to take care of our two cats. One of them
must of taken this car off the shelve to look and dropped it. And the
reason why I think they looked at this car, is because of the
recognizable road name, Rath and the logo, since Rath at one time,
before they went out of business, was a big name in the grocery store
for bacon and ham products.

This car is valued in E in the TM guide book at $600 and Greenberg has
it at $710.

We no longer have the cats anymore, as they passed on in 2002, age 20
and 2003, age 19. They had good healthcare system here. O:)!

But we decided back in 2003, that was pretty much it for pets, for many
reasons, but discovering this, really makes me not want to have
strangers in my home when we are gone, as I also have a coin collection
and all my baseball cards from 1959 to 1974. Plus, my wife's jewelry,
etc.

However, I do have collectable insurance with Collectibles Insurance
Agency and I called them today and the damage is covered! They are
going to send me a claim form, as I have no idea how much they will pay
or what happens to the item, as I would think, that if they pay me in
full, minus any deductibles, the item might become theirs, which is
fine, if that is too happens.

So, yes, I have paid into this insurance for many years, but you never
know what will, can and when something might happen. Just having the
peace of might when we are away on the collectibles is worth having the
insurance, as you never know when a break in might occur also, as I
think it would be slim, but worth having.

I will let all know what happens with this claim, as I have never seen
anyone on these list file a claim.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44258 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: Damaged car
Thanks Scott, as I will see what happens.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Freeman
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 8:57 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Damaged car


If you explain the rareity of the car to them They will work with you. I agree do not let the car be distroyed. I had a simalur thing happen with a pre war dealer poster that got damaged in shipping. They paid me for it and let me keep it simply because it was rare.\
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44259 From: roy inman Date: 5/28/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts-A parallax view...)
Since I have seen up close and personal only two varieties of S turnouts,
this thought may seem terribly naive:

Is there a chance we are looking at the problem backwards?

Why doesn't someone create wheel sets that would be universal instead of
trying to create turnouts to match all? The scale guys would not use them
because they are all set with code 100 so the new wheels/couplers would not
be an item for them.

The dedicated AF folks have original Gilbert turnouts, AM and SHS that will
work.

But for the mix and match hi-scalers and the hi-railers it might work.

I am talking one standard wheel that would operate through virtually any
turnout.

I have read about frogs, clearances, shimming, etc., etc. But that is all
predicated on existing wheelsets.

If there was such an animal I would change over in a heartbeat.

Roy Inman,
Probably overdosing on pain pills in Lenexa.

From: Michael A Scivoletti <MichaelAScivoletti@...>
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 22:24:12 -0400
To: Thomas Baker <bakert@...>, "S-Scale@yahoogroups.com"
<s-scale@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts)

If a turnouts of suppose to run say scale equipment, there must be some sort
of standard as to how that turnout needs to be made for scale equipment to
able to run through it. If is made to a different standard that has bigger
gaps where rails cross then the distance a standard scale wheel can work
with, there is going to be a problem.
Right now, scale turnouts should be able to handle code .100 wheels, but
code .088 wheels from Des Plains Hobbies are going to have a problem
crossing that gap.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44260 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: train damage
Back in March I sold a 346 engine in E condition on eBay and shipped
it Fedex. They dropped the box pretty hard and took the 346 engine to
VG condition in short order. I filed a claim with Fedex, and after a
couple weeks got a letter and a check from Fedex for $100 plus the
cost of my shipping. Fedex pays $100 period on collectables, or
anything that is more valuable because of its rarity, etc. They quote
the Fedex Service guide fine print, which of course I had never been
offered a copy of. Of course Fedex had no problem taking the extra
money from me to insure it to $650, even though there was no
intention to ever pay more than $100 out. I suspect other carriers
have similar fine print. What a racket!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44261 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: JADA For Sale 1/64 Vehicles
Here we go complaining about new 1/64 items again - no wonder hardly
anyone wants to support 1/64. If you have a problem with the "souped
up" tires and stuff just buy a cheap 1/64 car and switch the wheels
and axles. Scruff them up and there you go. Of course my "for sale"
junk yard cars and trucks probably won't have any wheels anyway and
will be sitting on concrete blocks with weeds growing through them -
that's why they're junkers!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 44262 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: (S-Scale List) proposal (turnouts-Aparallax veiw...)
I don't know if I missed something earlier along the line in this
discussion...
I have a dumb question...don't we have wheel standards in this
gauge? Scale wheels should be correct for their standards, Hi-rail
(tinplate/toy)wheels should be correct for their standards. So there
should only be two types of wheels to deal with.
If someone is making stuff which doesn't conform to the NASG
standards, the problem is THEIRS.
Could we be asking too much to have one type of track handle BOTH
scale and Hi-rail trains? No other scale/gauge requires this.
Stumpy Stone...just my thoughts from Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44263 From: Ljack70117@comcast.net Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: train damage
UPS pays what you declared it is worth. All you have to do prove it
is worth that much.
Also the damage to your package is your fault because you did not
pack it well. Unless they crush the box dropping it should never do
any damage.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left




On May 29, 2007, at 12:38 AM, Chuck Harrington wrote:

> Back in March I sold a 346 engine in E condition on eBay and shipped
> it Fedex. They dropped the box pretty hard and took the 346 engine to
> VG condition in short order. I filed a claim with Fedex, and after a
> couple weeks got a letter and a check from Fedex for $100 plus the
> cost of my shipping. Fedex pays $100 period on collectables, or
> anything that is more valuable because of its rarity, etc. They quote
> the Fedex Service guide fine print, which of course I had never been
> offered a copy of. Of course Fedex had no problem taking the extra
> money from me to insure it to $650, even though there was no
> intention to ever pay more than $100 out. I suspect other carriers
> have similar fine print. What a racket!
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44264 From: roy inman Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: JADA For Sale 1/64 Vehicles
Actually, the Corvette wheels look pretty much like the configuration I saw
in 1963 on a few 'Vettes" scooting round these parts. I thought the Caddy
wheels were close enough for me.

But I do like your idea of putting the things up on blocks; feels just like
home, which was Kansas City, Kansas in the 1950's.

Roy Inman

From: Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:10:51 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] JADA For Sale 1/64 Vehicles


Here we go complaining about new 1/64 items again - no wonder hardly
anyone wants to support 1/64. If you have a problem with the "souped
up" tires and stuff just buy a cheap 1/64 car and switch the wheels
and axles. Scruff them up and there you go. Of course my "for sale"
junk yard cars and trucks probably won't have any wheels anyway and
will be sitting on concrete blocks with weeds growing through them -
that's why they're junkers!

BG1






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Group: S-Trains Message: 44265 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Fw: Claim question
This is a answer to those who wonder if my insurance rates will go up if I make a claim.

I did ask next in reply what happens to the item, as I know the insurance company will then own it, does it get destroyed, as it is a pretty rare piece.

Some suggested I ask if I can just get the difference on the claim between a E+ and VG item, keep it, then sell it and find another E+ item.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Mara Maczka
To: mlmarmer@...
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:15 AM
Subject: FW: Claim question


Mr. Marmer,



The rates won't increase for this particular claim, but may if there are a lot claims in the program as a whole.



Thanks,



Mara Maczka, AU

Agent/Underwriter
Collectibles Insurance Agency

11350 McCormick Road, Suite 700

Hunt Valley, MD 21031

Phone: 410-876-8833, ext. 226

Fax: 410-876-9233

mara@...

www.collectinsure.com




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From: Karen Grey
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:03 AM
To: Mara Maczka
Subject: FW: Claim question








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From: Michael and Linda Marmer [mailto:mlmarmer@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 7:47 PM
To: Karen Grey
Subject: Claim question



I called on Friday, about filing a claim for a damage item on my policy, a American Flyer train car, that has a listed value of $710 in the current Greenberg book of values.



My question is, will my rates go up, if anything is paid out on this claim, from the insurance company?



Thank you,



Mike Marmer


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44266 From: roy inman Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: (S-Scale List) proposal (turnouts-Aparallax veiw...)
I know there are standards for scale, but I am too far out of the loop to
know if there are also standards for hi-rail.

Of course back when ACG was making trains, there was no NASG, I guess. May
have been an NMRA, don't know. But back in 1948 was there any such thing as
a "scale" S wheel? And when Lionel started making S again-what, in the late
1980's?-they apparently chose to use a different flange depth than the
original, so there we go...

Roy Inman

From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...>
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:31:29 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:(S-Scale List) proposal (turnouts-Aparallax veiw...)


I don't know if I missed something earlier along the line in this
discussion...
I have a dumb question...don't we have wheel standards in this
gauge? Scale wheels should be correct for their standards, Hi-rail
(tinplate/toy)wheels should be correct for their standards. So there
should only be two types of wheels to deal with.
If someone is making stuff which doesn't conform to the NASG
standards, the problem is THEIRS.
Could we be asking too much to have one type of track handle BOTH
scale and Hi-rail trains? No other scale/gauge requires this.
Stumpy Stone...just my thoughts from Appalachia.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 44267 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: (S-Scale List) proposal (turnouts-Aparallax veiw...)
After talking with Nick and Tom of American Classic track and another maker of S track, they both said that the problems people are having is due the wheels not being gauge correctly.

They explained the dime test, which I covered here last month and that took care of my issues with AF products not going through the switches.

Even my Northern engine that would derail on old Gilbert switches flies through the American Classic switch with no problems. I bet it will now do the same with the Gilbert switches.

Just my thought on the switch situation from one company to another, as you would think, if the switch is properly gauged, which I am sure they are, they should be fine.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Stumpy Stone
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:31 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:(S-Scale List) proposal (turnouts-Aparallax veiw...)


I don't know if I missed something earlier along the line in this
discussion...
I have a dumb question...don't we have wheel standards in this
gauge? Scale wheels should be correct for their standards, Hi-rail
(tinplate/toy)wheels should be correct for their standards. So there
should only be two types of wheels to deal with.
If someone is making stuff which doesn't conform to the NASG
standards, the problem is THEIRS.
Could we be asking too much to have one type of track handle BOTH
scale and Hi-rail trains? No other scale/gauge requires this.
Stumpy Stone...just my thoughts from Appalachia.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44268 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Fw: Claim question
The answer about saving the piece in making a smaller claim, should I decide that route.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Mara Maczka
To: Michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:28 AM
Subject: RE: Claim question


This is different in every situation. It can easily be discussed with the carrier at the time of the loss.



Thanks,



Mara Maczka, AU

Agent/Underwriter
Collectibles Insurance Agency

11350 McCormick Road, Suite 700

Hunt Valley, MD 21031

Phone: 410-876-8833, ext. 226

Fax: 410-876-9233

mara@...

www.collectinsure.com




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From: Michael and Linda Marmer [mailto:mlmarmer@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:45 AM
To: Mara Maczka
Subject: Re: Claim question



Thank you for the reply, as hopefully this is the only claim I will ever make.



My next question is, as there has been discussion on a interest group I am on, what will happen to the item, if a claim is filed and a payment is made.



I would think it would become property of the insurance company, as many are telling me it will be destroyed, as the item is pretty rare in the model train world of collecting.



Some are asking if the claim could be made for the difference of a excellent plus item and very good, as the item has a chip on it, and then could the original owner then keep it? Just curious.



Thanks Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: Mara Maczka

To: mlmarmer@...

Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:15 AM

Subject: FW: Claim question



Mr. Marmer,



The rates won't increase for this particular claim, but may if there are a lot claims in the program as a whole.



Thanks,



Mara Maczka, AU

Agent/Underwriter
Collectibles Insurance Agency

11350 McCormick Road, Suite 700

Hunt Valley, MD 21031

Phone: 410-876-8833, ext. 226

Fax: 410-876-9233

mara@...

www.collectinsure.com




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From: Karen Grey
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:03 AM
To: Mara Maczka
Subject: FW: Claim question








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From: Michael and Linda Marmer [mailto:mlmarmer@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 7:47 PM
To: Karen Grey
Subject: Claim question



I called on Friday, about filing a claim for a damage item on my policy, a American Flyer train car, that has a listed value of $710 in the current Greenberg book of values.



My question is, will my rates go up, if anything is paid out on this claim, from the insurance company?



Thank you,



Mike Marmer


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44269 From: Howard Sheffield Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Trainstuff LLC Going Out of Business
Hi Paul and All

I have tried unsuccessfully to contact Dayna for months to order a
couple of buildings without a word back. I have a number of her
structures in stock for anyone interested in some of the older ones
also.. I have been trying to get one of the #4019S Ghostport
Stations for a customer if anyone has one they want to sell.

Howard Sheffield
Howard" S Trains


On May 28, 2007, at 5:46 AM, Paul4Schil@... wrote:

>
> As you may know, TrainStuffLLC produces a line of S scale urban
> structures.
> I've purchased several myself.
>
> Yesterday I went to the TrainstuffLLC website and saw the following at
> the top of the homepage:
>
> "After much soul searching and really looking at things I have decided
> to sell off all the masters, molds and rights. I thank all my
> customers and
> will let you know who they go to. Hope everyone has a sparklin'
> day! Dayna"
>
> This was confirmed by e-mail to the company.
>
> Paul S.
>
> ************************************** See what's free at http://
> www.aol.com.
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>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44270 From: roy inman Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts-A parallax view...)
Seems to me that since big L is going their own way, in effect we don't even
HAVE a hi-rail wheel standard.

Manufacturers of lots of other stuff, from ball point to automobile tires to
computers have all gotten together and come to common ground on standards.

But there obviously has to be a motivation. The pocketbook is usually a
pretty good tool for sure. But I wonder what would happen if the major SIGs
in model trains spoke as one voice for a true S hi-rail standard if that
would help persuade Lionel?

I don't know if it would be possible to convince say 1,000 Flyonel
collectors/runners to write to Lionel asking for them to conform to some
industry standard? And if there were 1,000 individual voices would L pay
attention? Who can say?

But Lionel DOES pay attention to the wants and desires of the O gauge bunch.
It did take the likes of Mike Wolf at MTH to wake them up and realize that,
hello, the contemporary Lionel fan wanted the detailing and features that
Mike's equipment gave them.

Now if we could only get Lionel to recognize that a similar thing has
happened in S...I wonder if they realize how much money they are leaving on
the table by NOT realizing that the Flyer market is not the only phase of S
these days, albeit the biggest.

Any ideas how we might put pressure on the big Orange and Blue?

Roy Inman

From: Bob Werre <bob@...>
Reply-To: bob@...
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 10:46:47 -0500
To: roy inman <rinphoto@...>
Cc: "S-Scale@yahoogroups.com" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>, S-Trains
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts-A parallax view...)


Roy, so what you would like is a new hi-rail wheel standard, which is a
great idea if you can convince the folks at Lionel to change! Without
their cooperation all is lost--so vote with your dollars and letters to
Lionel asking them why their stuff won't work with trackage we have now.

Bob Werre

roy inman wrote:

> Since I have seen up close and personal only two varieties of S turnouts,
> this thought may seem terribly naive:
>
> Is there a chance we are looking at the problem backwards?
>
> Why doesn't someone create wheel sets that would be universal instead of
> trying to create turnouts to match all? The scale guys would not use them
> because they are all set with code 100 so the new wheels/couplers
> would not
> be an item for them.
>
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44271 From: Scaler164@comcast.net Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: JADA For Sale 1/64 Vehicles
What I have a problem with it the apparent STUPIDITY of manufacturers who can't seem to make up their idiot minds what scale they are going to produce items in. I also have a serious problem with the misrepresentation... or if you prefer, FALSE ADVERTISEMENT... of what scale an item is when indicated on the package. There is NOTHING 1/64 scale about Johnny Lightning's offerings, but they are generally advertised as 1/64. This, as far as I'm concerned, is a CROCK.

And for the record... there are MANY who agree with my view on this. And apparently at least ONE manufacturer has FINALLY listened to all the complaints. See below :

http://www.reelridesvip.com/community/comments.php?DiscussionID=9&page=1#Item_0

WHY settle for inferiority when you can do something about it!?!


John Degnan
Scaler164@...


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From: "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...>

> Here we go complaining about new 1/64 items again - no wonder hardly
> anyone wants to support 1/64. If you have a problem with the "souped
> up" tires and stuff just buy a cheap 1/64 car and switch the wheels
> and axles. Scruff them up and there you go. Of course my "for sale"
> junk yard cars and trucks probably won't have any wheels anyway and
> will be sitting on concrete blocks with weeds growing through them -
> that's why they're junkers!
>
> BG1
>
>
>
>
>
> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com
> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too!
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://S-Scale.org/albums
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44272 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts-A parallax view...)
Which Co. make their wheels to the "Standard"? So which maker/s has to
change to who's standard?
I think we have to start there. Then see who will be willing to change to
that "Standard" or get a Co. like Kadee to make the standard replacements.....
Mike S.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44273 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: JADA For Sale 1/64 Vehicles
The last time I looked these cars were sold in the TOY department at
WalMart, usually for less than $5 each. I'm sure if someone wanted
to produce an exact 1/64 vehicle it would not be sold in the TOY
department at WalMart and would cost well north of $5 each. I'm
happy with anything that is remotely close to add some whimsy to the
layout. But if I do see a 1/64 scale brass junker truck exact down
to the number of lug threads exposed past the lug nuts I'll let
everyone know.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Scaler164@... wrote:
>
> What I have a problem with it the apparent STUPIDITY of
manufacturers who can't seem to make up their idiot minds what scale
they are going to produce items in. I also have a serious problem
with the misrepresentation... or if you prefer, FALSE
ADVERTISEMENT... of what scale an item is when indicated on the
package. There is NOTHING 1/64 scale about Johnny Lightning's
offerings, but they are generally advertised as 1/64. This, as far
as I'm concerned, is a CROCK.
>
> And for the record... there are MANY who agree with my view on
this. And apparently at least ONE manufacturer has FINALLY listened
to all the complaints. See below :
>
> http://www.reelridesvip.com/community/comments.php?
DiscussionID=9&page=1#Item_0
>
> WHY settle for inferiority when you can do something about it!?!
>
>
> John Degnan
> Scaler164@...
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...>
>
> > Here we go complaining about new 1/64 items again - no wonder
hardly
> > anyone wants to support 1/64. If you have a problem with
the "souped
> > up" tires and stuff just buy a cheap 1/64 car and switch the
wheels
> > and axles. Scruff them up and there you go. Of course my "for
sale"
> > junk yard cars and trucks probably won't have any wheels anyway
and
> > will be sitting on concrete blocks with weeds growing through
them -
> > that's why they're junkers!
> >
> > BG1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com
> > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too!
> >
> > Enjoy thousands of great photos
> > at http://S-Scale.org/albums
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44274 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Promoting S, sort of an advert
Hi Gang,

We at Pine Canyon have now set up our web site to cross-promote S-scale
trains, cars and trucks. Several new statements and links have been
added to teach diecast collectors that S-scale trains work with their
scenes. We have registered a couple new .com names to piont these
collectors to our site. You can now reach our site by typing
cruisingmain.com or cruisinmain.com along with a few others, like
pinecanyonrr.com

Hopeing to move our hobby forward, Keith Blanchard
http//www.cruisingmain.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 44275 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: 1/64 th cars
Try CollectableDiecast.com . Yes, I have a slight interest, they are my boy's. Mike S.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44276 From: Tim Brown Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Product Feedback for S Gauge - new table
To all on the S-Trains List:

We have developed a table in the database section for the evaluation
and rating of new products in S gauge. Members of this list are
encouraged to populate the table with first-hand, factual information
about any new product you have hands-on experience with. We are hoping
it can help to give people a concise and valuable insight into the
merits or shortcomings of new products. Please take a moment to
familiarize yourself with this easy-to-use table. Paul Yorke has led
the way with the first entry - sectional track.

Thanks,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44277 From: John Degnan Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: JADA For Sale 1/64 Vehicles
If it is only supposed to be a "TOY", then why do the manufacturers bother to waste ink and production time in trying to indicate the "SCALE" if it is not supposed to be a "SCALE" model?!? Makes no sense at all to me.

But regardless... there are many other, very close (if not exact) 1/64 scale models (or Die Casts, if you prefer) in the TOY sections of many stores (For example : John Deere tractors and farm utilities, etc, etc, etc...), so that kinda shoots down your theory that scale models aren't available in TOY departments, huh? Nothing personal, and no offense... just proving a point.

Have a better one.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...
Bull Dawg!

----- Original Message -----
From: Bull_Gator_1
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: May 29, 2007 1:53 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: JADA For Sale 1/64 Vehicles


The last time I looked these cars were sold in the TOY department at
WalMart, usually for less than $5 each. I'm sure if someone wanted
to produce an exact 1/64 vehicle it would not be sold in the TOY
department at WalMart and would cost well north of $5 each.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44278 From: louis glumac Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: train damage
the us post office pays what its worth,i had a claim for $500 , they honored it. was a shame you still hate to see a nice train damaged
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Harrington
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] train damage


Back in March I sold a 346 engine in E condition on eBay and shipped
it Fedex. They dropped the box pretty hard and took the 346 engine to
VG condition in short order. I filed a claim with Fedex, and after a
couple weeks got a letter and a check from Fedex for $100 plus the
cost of my shipping. Fedex pays $100 period on collectables, or
anything that is more valuable because of its rarity, etc. They quote
the Fedex Service guide fine print, which of course I had never been
offered a copy of. Of course Fedex had no problem taking the extra
money from me to insure it to $650, even though there was no
intention to ever pay more than $100 out. I suspect other carriers
have similar fine print. What a racket!





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44279 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: 20445 NP SET FOR SALE
I have a 20445 NP set for sale on E-Bay. The # is 120124979461.
I bought this set from Mark Preman & is in E cond if not LN. Mike S.
PS: The boxes are older repo



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44280 From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com Date: 5/29/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} proposal (turnouts-A parallax view...)
The only reason tire manufacturers finally got a standard was because
congress mandated it! Jim Foley



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44281 From: ER Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: AM Passenger cars for sale
I have the following American Models Budd Passenger Cars for Sale: These
are the rarer Painted versions with Hi-Rail Wheels.



These are now sold out so it may be a while before you can get any more,
although I have not seen any painted versions for a while.





Burlington Silver set of 4. These are the Painted, not chromed cars.
These are Hi-Rail (AF Compatible) with Knuckle couplers, not Scale.



Burlington Silver extra coaches. These are also Painted, Not chrome.
Hi-Rail (AF Compatible) with Knuckles, Not Scale (2 silver eagles and 1
silver Larch)





$320 for the set of 4 and $60 each for the 3 cars Plus USPS. ($12 for the
set of 4 and $7 for each separate car).



That's $500 for all seven cars plus $20 for shipping. (basically book price
for sold out cars)





Eric Reis

Kenmore, Wa.

northline@....



Cashiers check, money order, or Paypal work..





Thanks



eric



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44282 From: Richard Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: selling stuff
More and more I see this site being used to advertise items for sell.
Is everybody else o.k. with that? maybe I miss understood when I signed
on, this was not represented as a "mini e-bay" plenty of places to buy
and sell, if this is becoming a classified ad, see you later..........
Group: S-Trains Message: 44283 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: Who and what is the specific problem?
Okay, I came to this discussion late which I think grew out of
problems with turnouts (switches.) First of all, I'd like to get
specific as to what the problem is.
Forget SCALE wheels and couplers for the moment. Let's concentrate
on toy/tinplate/hi-rail locos and rolling stock.
I'd like to know what wheels don't work with what switches.
Wheels:Is it a back to back gauge problem? Overly large flange
problem? Something else?
Turnouts: frog angle? Guard rails? What?
Okay, what about couplers? Which ones don't mate with which other
ones? Is it the knuckle itself? Height above the rail? Just what is
the problem?
It would be a good first step to know whose product is lacking and
where! I have quite a mix of equipment, but not everything. I also
use S Helper track and switches now, so I have no way to test others.
If we can be specific as to what the problem is, we've taken the
first step toward correcting it.
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44284 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: Re: Who and what is the specific problem?
Hi Stumpy,



The switch problem is the lateral thickness of the flanges. On prototype
switches (turnouts for the Model Railroader and scale crowd) there are guard
rails adjacent to the frog. Those rails can prevent the back of the outside
wheel from leaving the stock rail. That helps the inside wheel to go on the
proper side of the frog. Thin, scale-like flanges require a guard rail that
is close to the outside stock rail. Thick flanges (as in American Flyer or
the Flyer-compatible wheels) require more room.



If the guard rail is spaced far enough from the stock rail to accommodate
Flyer wheels, the scale wheels may slip to the center and pick the frog.



If the guard rail is spaced correctly for scale wheels, the Flyer wheels
won't fit in space.



A closed frog switch avoids the problem since it has no guard rails. The SHS
design uses wide spacing for the guard rails and moved the frog itself to
accommodate scale wheels. Neither of these solutions is a match for the most
common prototype practice nor for the NMRA track standards.



On the coupler front, there are the American Flyer knuckle couplers from the
1950's to now with a short digression into Pikemaster. Someone else will
have to say if those are compatible with each other. Kaydee couplers are
closer to the ideal of 1/64th the size of real couplers than are the
Flyer-compatible ones. The disparity in size means they will not mate with
each other.



The dummy couplers that come with American Models are small enough and
shaped properly to mate with Kaydees. Some folks say that the Kadee 802 are
still a little oversized. These folks prefer the couplers that are nominally
HO scale. The smaller couplers are closer to being 1/64th of a prototype.



Of course, the Flyer link couplers (pre-war O and post-war S) are unlike
everything else and will not mate with couplers from other species.



The problem also exists in other scales. HO has the NMRA horn-hook couplers
as a standard dating to the middle '50's. Most scale guys use Kaydees or
something similar (now that the patent has expired). N-scale has Rapido
style (they are square, look very little like real couplers but, work very
well) and the Kaydee and compatible designs.



The modern O-scale guys use Kaydees (or compatible) or something like
Lionel.



I hope that helps. There is not a fault with any manufacturer, today. During
the development decades (1920-1960) there were plenty of designs and no
standards.



Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Stumpy Stone
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:52 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Who and what is the specific problem?



Okay, I came to this discussion late which I think grew out of
problems with turnouts (switches.) First of all, I'd like to get
specific as to what the problem is.
Forget SCALE wheels and couplers for the moment. Let's concentrate
on toy/tinplate/hi-rail locos and rolling stock.
I'd like to know what wheels don't work with what switches.
Wheels:Is it a back to back gauge problem? Overly large flange
problem? Something else?
Turnouts: frog angle? Guard rails? What?
Okay, what about couplers? Which ones don't mate with which other
ones? Is it the knuckle itself? Height above the rail? Just what is
the problem?
It would be a good first step to know whose product is lacking and
where! I have quite a mix of equipment, but not everything. I also
use S Helper track and switches now, so I have no way to test others.
If we can be specific as to what the problem is, we've taken the
first step toward correcting it.
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia.



,___



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44285 From: detmer@charter.net Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: Re: Who and what is the specific problem?
Dear Bill,

Yikes!!! Thanks for the overview. It's very helpful and descriptive. I suspect no one would be happy having to change their own switches and couplers that they have for their own specific reasons. Collectors will still want AF switches, wheels and couplers and AF and hi-rail operators will be similar. Scalers will want more true to scale equipment. So I suspect we're just going to have to individually adjust as we each see fit. Not a solution. It's just an observation.

Tom Detmer

---- Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:
> Hi Stumpy,
>
>
>
> The switch problem is the lateral thickness of the flanges. On prototype
> switches (turnouts for the Model Railroader and scale crowd) there are guard
> rails adjacent to the frog. Those rails can prevent the back of the outside
> wheel from leaving the stock rail. That helps the inside wheel to go on the
> proper side of the frog. Thin, scale-like flanges require a guard rail that
> is close to the outside stock rail. Thick flanges (as in American Flyer or
> the Flyer-compatible wheels) require more room.
>
>
>
> If the guard rail is spaced far enough from the stock rail to accommodate
> Flyer wheels, the scale wheels may slip to the center and pick the frog.
>
>
>
> If the guard rail is spaced correctly for scale wheels, the Flyer wheels
> won't fit in space.
>
>
>
> A closed frog switch avoids the problem since it has no guard rails. The SHS
> design uses wide spacing for the guard rails and moved the frog itself to
> accommodate scale wheels. Neither of these solutions is a match for the most
> common prototype practice nor for the NMRA track standards.
>
>
>
> On the coupler front, there are the American Flyer knuckle couplers from the
> 1950's to now with a short digression into Pikemaster. Someone else will
> have to say if those are compatible with each other. Kaydee couplers are
> closer to the ideal of 1/64th the size of real couplers than are the
> Flyer-compatible ones. The disparity in size means they will not mate with
> each other.
>
>
>
> The dummy couplers that come with American Models are small enough and
> shaped properly to mate with Kaydees. Some folks say that the Kadee 802 are
> still a little oversized. These folks prefer the couplers that are nominally
> HO scale. The smaller couplers are closer to being 1/64th of a prototype.
>
>
>
> Of course, the Flyer link couplers (pre-war O and post-war S) are unlike
> everything else and will not mate with couplers from other species.
>
>
>
> The problem also exists in other scales. HO has the NMRA horn-hook couplers
> as a standard dating to the middle '50's. Most scale guys use Kaydees or
> something similar (now that the patent has expired). N-scale has Rapido
> style (they are square, look very little like real couplers but, work very
> well) and the Kaydee and compatible designs.
>
>
>
> The modern O-scale guys use Kaydees (or compatible) or something like
> Lionel.
>
>
>
> I hope that helps. There is not a fault with any manufacturer, today. During
> the development decades (1920-1960) there were plenty of designs and no
> standards.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> Reply from Bill Porter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Stumpy Stone
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:52 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Who and what is the specific problem?
>
>
>
> Okay, I came to this discussion late which I think grew out of
> problems with turnouts (switches.) First of all, I'd like to get
> specific as to what the problem is.
> Forget SCALE wheels and couplers for the moment. Let's concentrate
> on toy/tinplate/hi-rail locos and rolling stock.
> I'd like to know what wheels don't work with what switches.
> Wheels:Is it a back to back gauge problem? Overly large flange
> problem? Something else?
> Turnouts: frog angle? Guard rails? What?
> Okay, what about couplers? Which ones don't mate with which other
> ones? Is it the knuckle itself? Height above the rail? Just what is
> the problem?
> It would be a good first step to know whose product is lacking and
> where! I have quite a mix of equipment, but not everything. I also
> use S Helper track and switches now, so I have no way to test others.
> If we can be specific as to what the problem is, we've taken the
> first step toward correcting it.
> Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia.
>
>
>
> ,___
>
>
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44286 From: arena-10@sbcglobal.net Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: Steam Loco DVD
BlankAfter playing with steam locomotives since 1953, I have finally decided I would like to know more about how one operates. I know in general terms but I would like to know how all the component parts are integrated. Is there a video that shows and explains the individual parts and how they all work together? It would be nice if they had cutaway views. I know there are books available but I want a DVD.
Bob



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44287 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: Re: Who and what is the specific problem?
Ultimately the debate or desire for all my years in
the NASG has been to come up with a standard
that would bring RTR equipment with more to
scale couplers for new S gaugers. Forever we
may have 2 "S GAUGE COMMUNITIES".
True, Don Thompson with Code 125 track
has come the closest to bringing the scales
to a "Meeting of the Rails" and K-Line made the
most practicle "kid proof" starter equipment.
B-K Enterprises makes a hand laid closed frog
turnout in code 148 that runs "Scale" and "Hi Rail"
but it is not RTR. Tom Stoltz has a RTR code 148
turnout that claims to run scale and hirail.
Thus has ensued 2 days of discussion on the
"S Scale" list with no resolution. Some even had
the nerve to mention "Hi Rail" and "American Flyer"
on the S Scale list. Horrors. My layout "The
Stony Creek RR uses weathered Gargraves track
and A.C. Gilbert switches and runs American Flyer,
American Models & S Helper just fine but will
not run scale of course. I may one day relay
code 148 track with Tom Stoltz turnouts
but probably not til or when or if I retire.

Glenn
http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Who and what is the specific problem?


Hi Stumpy,

The switch problem is the lateral thickness of the flanges. On prototype
switches (turnouts for the Model Railroader and scale crowd) there are guard
rails adjacent to the frog. Those rails can prevent the back of the outside
wheel from leaving the stock rail. That helps the inside wheel to go on the
proper side of the frog. Thin, scale-like flanges require a guard rail that
is close to the outside stock rail. Thick flanges (as in American Flyer or
the Flyer-compatible wheels) require more room.

If the guard rail is spaced far enough from the stock rail to accommodate
Flyer wheels, the scale wheels may slip to the center and pick the frog.

If the guard rail is spaced correctly for scale wheels, the Flyer wheels
won't fit in space.

A closed frog switch avoids the problem since it has no guard rails. The SHS
design uses wide spacing for the guard rails and moved the frog itself to
accommodate scale wheels. Neither of these solutions is a match for the most
common prototype practice nor for the NMRA track standards.

On the coupler front, there are the American Flyer knuckle couplers from the
1950's to now with a short digression into Pikemaster. Someone else will
have to say if those are compatible with each other. Kaydee couplers are
closer to the ideal of 1/64th the size of real couplers than are the
Flyer-compatible ones. The disparity in size means they will not mate with
each other.

The dummy couplers that come with American Models are small enough and
shaped properly to mate with Kaydees. Some folks say that the Kadee 802 are
still a little oversized. These folks prefer the couplers that are nominally
HO scale. The smaller couplers are closer to being 1/64th of a prototype.

Of course, the Flyer link couplers (pre-war O and post-war S) are unlike
everything else and will not mate with couplers from other species.

The problem also exists in other scales. HO has the NMRA horn-hook couplers
as a standard dating to the middle '50's. Most scale guys use Kaydees or
something similar (now that the patent has expired). N-scale has Rapido
style (they are square, look very little like real couplers but, work very
well) and the Kaydee and compatible designs.

The modern O-scale guys use Kaydees (or compatible) or something like
Lionel.

I hope that helps. There is not a fault with any manufacturer, today. During
the development decades (1920-1960) there were plenty of designs and no
standards.

Bill

Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Stumpy Stone
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:52 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Who and what is the specific problem?

Okay, I came to this discussion late which I think grew out of
problems with turnouts (switches.) First of all, I'd like to get
specific as to what the problem is.
Forget SCALE wheels and couplers for the moment. Let's concentrate
on toy/tinplate/hi-rail locos and rolling stock.
I'd like to know what wheels don't work with what switches.
Wheels:Is it a back to back gauge problem? Overly large flange
problem? Something else?
Turnouts: frog angle? Guard rails? What?
Okay, what about couplers? Which ones don't mate with which other
ones? Is it the knuckle itself? Height above the rail? Just what is
the problem?
It would be a good first step to know whose product is lacking and
where! I have quite a mix of equipment, but not everything. I also
use S Helper track and switches now, so I have no way to test others.
If we can be specific as to what the problem is, we've taken the
first step toward correcting it.
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia.

,___

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44288 From: Tim Brown Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: New Products in S Gauge table
Hello everyone,

We decided to tweak the format of the "New Products in S Gauge" table a
little. What this table is intended for is to provide a voluntary
listing of anyone on this list who has recently purchased a new product
in S gauge and therefore has first-hand experience with how it looks,
operates, etc. Also included is the URL of the manufacturer's web
site. Anyone interested in buying a new S gauge product might want to
take a look at this table first to visit the manufacturer's web site
for more information or to contact a member for an off-list dialog
about their experiences with the product. We felt this would be a
better format simply due to the space constraints of the online media.
Please take a moment to look at it and feel free to
contribute! It's in the "Database" section.

Thanks,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44289 From: roy inman Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: Re: selling stuff
I have used the available s-gauge list to buy and sell a few items, and it
has worked great.

I suspect that many folks are still not aware of it, and especially now that
we do have that other possibility, perhaps this list is not the most
appropriate place for commerce. The ASG list goes right to the nut of it: I
have something to sell or am looking for something to buy and everyone else
on that list has the same expectations. In point of fact, a couple of times
sellers have advertised stuff that I didn't even know I needed until I saw
it there.

Roy Inman

From: Richard <bubblesmongo@...>
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 08:42:00 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] selling stuff


More and more I see this site being used to advertise items for sell.
Is everybody else o.k. with that? maybe I miss understood when I signed
on, this was not represented as a "mini e-bay" plenty of places to buy
and sell, if this is becoming a classified ad, see you later..........






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Group: S-Trains Message: 44290 From: Jollivier4@cs.com Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: 1/64th VW vehicles!!!!!!!!
Hi guys,

If anyone sees any of the VW double cab pick ups, please buy 2 for me. I
need one for the layout and one to go in the real thing in the driveway. I live
in the sticks and will not find any here. I'll pay for them and the shipping.

No, Steve, my double cab is painted one color and runs like a scared
chipmunk!

Jacques in Thorp. WA


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44291 From: John Degnan Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: Re: selling stuff
Oh man... don'tcha just HATE it when that happens!? LOL!!!


John Degnan
Scaler164@...
The North, East, South and Western Railway
www.nesw.ironraildepot.org

----- Original Message -----
From: roy inman
To: Richard ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: May 30, 2007 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] selling stuff


In point of fact, a couple of times sellers have advertised stuff that I didn't even know I needed until I saw it there.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44292 From: Robert Graves Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: Re: selling stuff
My $0.02: When Available S-Gauge was first starting up, it was inevitable that a lot of things got posted to both lists; that's part of any transition. It's been around long enough now, though, that it seems appropriate to ask people to post things only to that list, not to both. I'm on both lists and I do get a fair number of duplicate messages.

Bob


roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
I have used the available s-gauge list to buy and sell a few items, and it has worked great.

I suspect that many folks are still not aware of it, and especially now that
we do have that other possibility, perhaps this list is not the most
appropriate place for commerce. The ASG list goes right to the nut of it: I
have something to sell or am looking for something to buy and everyone else
on that list has the same expectations. In point of fact, a couple of times
sellers have advertised stuff that I didn't even know I needed until I saw
it there.

Roy Inman

From: Richard <bubblesmongo@...>
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 08:42:00 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] selling stuff

More and more I see this site being used to advertise items for sell.
Is everybody else o.k. with that? maybe I miss understood when I signed
on, this was not represented as a "mini e-bay" plenty of places to buy
and sell, if this is becoming a classified ad, see you later..........

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44293 From: Crpntr12449@aol.com Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: Re: JADA For Sale 1/64 Vehicles
Hear, hear Bull. They are just toys.


Carlton
Group: S-Trains Message: 44294 From: Phil K Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: Re: selling stuff
I think most of the "selling" posts here have the words "for sale" in
the subject line. Which should be enough of a cue for those opposed
to either skip 'em or delete 'em.

I wasn't aware a few selling posts here were such a hardship.

Don't get me wrong. "Available S Gauge" is a great alternative. But
it is a completely different site and not related to S-Trains. And
therefore beyond our control. And there is no guarantee it will
endure.

While I agree that it's great we have Available S Gauge, the owner,
Jerry Matsick, has backed off due to health reasons. He has resigned
from this list, too.

There are a couple of moderators trying to maintain "Available S",
but apparently they do not have the power to screen and approve
incoming posts as we moderators here on S-Trains. So there is a
problem over there with adult SPAM messages appearing on the board.
They appear, and the moderators delete. After any youthful members
have had the opportunity to see them, unfortunately.

I looked at the home page of S-Trains -- which our fearless leader,
Paul Yorke, set up -- and it says nothing to make anyone believe a
few "for sale" posts will never pop up here.

As I have said before, and speaking only for myself, I am
uncomfortable when members join simply to use this board strictly as
a sales tool, as one well-known AF collector has done
over the past year to divest his massive and valuable collection. My
opinion is to let them use eBay or "Available S" or other
alternatives because selling is the main purpose of those sites.

Thanks to Tim Brown's calling our attention to the "Database" part of
S-Trains. I had never been there, and quickly found it contained two
large lists of professional dealers' for-sale offerings. Which is
grossly unfair to our gracious list sponsor, Mark Preman, who spends
a lot of time and money to have his own sales website,
www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com

Or other dealers or manufacturers who are contributing members to S-
Trains but have refrained from blatantly using S-Trains as a flea
market.

BTW, my delete button worked just fine on those two Database lists.

I think the charm of S-Trains is that like a meandering stream it has
been left to go its own way, as Paul intended back in 1998. So far,
it is my personal feeling that a few, sporadic "for sale" posts cause
no harm. In fact, I've picked up a few items here that I didn't
realize I needed until someone offered them.

We have 1366 members, and so far less than a handful have chimed in
negatively on the selling issue. Should we intepret that to mean the
other 1360 members are OK with it?

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 44295 From: Gale Hall Date: 5/30/2007
Subject: Selling Stuff
Evening List,

I really have not seen this as a problem, in that someone is selling or hunting something, there are supposed to be 1366 members on this list, and 309 on the available S list, looks like to not post on this list is just over looking 1000+ individuals that might want what you have or have what you want.. All along we have been able to post for sale items on this list for what the past 8 or 9 years...A lot of folks have found things they would have otherwise never had. Seems everyone is wanting to promote the hobby and pushing it ahead, but everyone is pushing in a different direction...Think back to the classified ads in the Gaugian, Herald, MR or RMC and you fired off that letter, that ad was 60 days old and by golly more often as not you got the item..Something posted on here is minutes old and you never had it so good....I often wonder how we all managed to become S gaugers or stay S gaugers with so much discontent, we used to say this hobby was for the friends you made, lately the trains are looking pretty good..


gale hall


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44296 From: roy inman Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: selling stuff
Yep, I am a real sucker for a pretty train thingy :)

Roy Inman

From: John Degnan <scaler164@...>
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:50:58 -0500
To: Richard <bubblesmongo@...>, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, roy inman
<rinphoto@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] selling stuff


Oh man... don'tcha just HATE it when that happens!? LOL!!!


John Degnan
Scaler164@...
The North, East, South and Western Railway
www.nesw.ironraildepot.org
----- Original Message -----
From: roy inman <mailto:rinphoto@...>
To: Richard <mailto:bubblesmongo@...> ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: May 30, 2007 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] selling stuff

In point of fact, a couple of times sellers have advertised stuff that I
didn't even know I needed until I saw it there.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44297 From: John Degnan Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: JADA For Sale 1/64 Vehicles
Tell that to all of the collectors, and find out a whole new perspective! Besides, TOYS don't come with scale identification marks.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...

----- Original Message -----
From: Crpntr12449@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: May 30, 2007 6:57 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: JADA For Sale 1/64 Vehicles




Hear, hear Bull. They are just toys.


Carlton

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44298 From: roy inman Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: selling stuff-Fine with me
Selling stuff on the S-trains list is fine with me.

I suppose if there ever comes a time when most of the posts are "for sale"
items, then it might get a little tedious. I joined this list for the
knowledge base-and boy, what a base!! But my curiosity is such that if I see
"for sale" in the subject line, I have to look. I would not want to miss a
bargain!

But the available s gauge list sure makes sense to me. I would be fine with
seeing hundreds of items for sale on that list. It would simplify the search
for something specific, which can really get time consuming on eBay. In
addition, one never knows for sure if one is going to win an auction item on
eBay, unless it is a "buy now." On the ASG list, first come, first served
and I know right away if I was first.

Just IMHO...

Roy Inman

From: Phil K <waldootten@...>
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 02:47:11 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: selling stuff


I think most of the "selling" posts here have the words "for sale" in
the subject line. Which should be enough of a cue for those opposed
to either skip 'em or delete 'em.

I wasn't aware a few selling posts here were such a hardship.

Don't get me wrong. "Available S Gauge" is a great alternative. But
it is a completely different site and not related to S-Trains. And
therefore beyond our control. And there is no guarantee it will
endure.

While I agree that it's great we have Available S Gauge, the owner,
Jerry Matsick, has backed off due to health reasons. He has resigned
from this list, too.

There are a couple of moderators trying to maintain "Available S",
but apparently they do not have the power to screen and approve
incoming posts as we moderators here on S-Trains. So there is a
problem over there with adult SPAM messages appearing on the board.
They appear, and the moderators delete. After any youthful members
have had the opportunity to see them, unfortunately.

I looked at the home page of S-Trains -- which our fearless leader,
Paul Yorke, set up -- and it says nothing to make anyone believe a
few "for sale" posts will never pop up here.

As I have said before, and speaking only for myself, I am
uncomfortable when members join simply to use this board strictly as
a sales tool, as one well-known AF collector has done
over the past year to divest his massive and valuable collection. My
opinion is to let them use eBay or "Available S" or other
alternatives because selling is the main purpose of those sites.

Thanks to Tim Brown's calling our attention to the "Database" part of
S-Trains. I had never been there, and quickly found it contained two
large lists of professional dealers' for-sale offerings. Which is
grossly unfair to our gracious list sponsor, Mark Preman, who spends
a lot of time and money to have his own sales website,
www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com

Or other dealers or manufacturers who are contributing members to S-
Trains but have refrained from blatantly using S-Trains as a flea
market.

BTW, my delete button worked just fine on those two Database lists.

I think the charm of S-Trains is that like a meandering stream it has
been left to go its own way, as Paul intended back in 1998. So far,
it is my personal feeling that a few, sporadic "for sale" posts cause
no harm. In fact, I've picked up a few items here that I didn't
realize I needed until someone offered them.

We have 1366 members, and so far less than a handful have chimed in
negatively on the selling issue. Should we intepret that to mean the
other 1360 members are OK with it?

Phil K







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Group: S-Trains Message: 44299 From: Phil K Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: selling stuff -- Fine with me, within reason
I think... to clarify... as long as it doesn't get out of hand, a
little selling here of an item or two between list members is OK.

An item or two.

But I do think we should not allow posts promoting items list members are selling on eBay. Since those items are being shopped outside the list, let those who choose to shop on eBay go there and find them on their own.

Otherwise, this WILL get out of hand. (It has already started.)

Phil K

********************************************************************

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
>
> Selling stuff on the S-trains list is fine with me.
>
> I suppose if there ever comes a time when most of the posts
are "for sale"
> items, then it might get a little tedious. I joined this list for
the
> knowledge base-and boy, what a base!! But my curiosity is such that
if I see
> "for sale" in the subject line, I have to look. I would not want to
miss a
> bargain!
>
> But the available s gauge list sure makes sense to me. I would be
fine with
> seeing hundreds of items for sale on that list. It would simplify
the search
> for something specific, which can really get time consuming on
eBay. In
> addition, one never knows for sure if one is going to win an
auction item on
> eBay, unless it is a "buy now." On the ASG list, first come, first
served
> and I know right away if I was first.
>
> Just IMHO...
>
> Roy Inman
Group: S-Trains Message: 44300 From: Donald Thompson Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: List running amok......
Dear Tom,
Unless things changed since I was on the NASG Standards Committee,
the NASG has no certification process, that is what the NMRA does. I
believe it just involves measurements and numbers, not how things run
through them. Due to the flangeway and check gauge standards, your
switch will never conform to NMRA or NASG S-3 standards. But, in S, I
do not think that any mfg. has an NMRA warrant for track work so I would
not be too concerned.
Sorry,
Don

Thomas Stoltz wrote:

> Dear S Gauge:
>
> I would like to request your help. I would like to know how I would go
> about ending this line of thinking:
>
> Posted by: "David Dewey"
>
> . the issue of manufacturing a turnout that meets scale requirements
> as well
> as high rail layouts is critical to the future of RTR S SCALE as well as
> high-rail. I am now of the opinion that it can't be done--too many
> compromises resulting in a switch that is unreliable in both modes--unless
> one is willing to live with a closed frog (and there are prototype closed
> frogs!).
>
> I sincerely believe I have developed what we have been calling the
> 'universal' turnout. I have done what seems like endless testing,
> development. In my tests, the turnouts are 100% reliable. I receive
> letters from some of the people who use my turnouts and it is the same
> thing
> - reliable though all modes of operation - Flyer, Hi-rail and scale and
> scale brass. Some even all in the same train. Many have witnessed this.
>
> My turnouts have been reviewed in the S press -- both the Dispatch and
> the S
> Gaugian - and again they performed as advertised. However, this hasn't
> convinced most S gaugers. As a result, it seems like a review is not the
> answer.
>
> Please tell me what group I can submit my turnouts to for 'certification'
> (unbelievably, the NASG is not interested). I would like to put an end to
> the doubt and all the angst it seems to cause. I'm an S gauger like the
> rest of you; I don't want to be viewed as a pariah just because I have
> done
> something that most to say 'it can't be done'. I really thought the S
> community at large (and I respect the 100% scale side and realize my
> turnouts aren't for them) would embrace my development as something which
> has been long sought.
>
> If it wasn't for the grant, I think I would just walk away from this and S
> gauge,
>
> Tom Stoltz
>
> Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork
> Maine S Gaugers
> NASG
>
> www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/
> <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/>>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44301 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: List running amok......
Dear S Gauge:

I would like to request your help. I would like to know how I would go
about ending this line of thinking:



Posted by: "David Dewey"

. the issue of manufacturing a turnout that meets scale requirements as well
as high rail layouts is critical to the future of RTR S SCALE as well as
high-rail. I am now of the opinion that it can't be done--too many
compromises resulting in a switch that is unreliable in both modes--unless
one is willing to live with a closed frog (and there are prototype closed
frogs!).



I sincerely believe I have developed what we have been calling the
'universal' turnout. I have done what seems like endless testing,
development. In my tests, the turnouts are 100% reliable. I receive
letters from some of the people who use my turnouts and it is the same thing
- reliable though all modes of operation - Flyer, Hi-rail and scale and
scale brass. Some even all in the same train. Many have witnessed this.

My turnouts have been reviewed in the S press -- both the Dispatch and the S
Gaugian - and again they performed as advertised. However, this hasn't
convinced most S gaugers. As a result, it seems like a review is not the
answer.

Please tell me what group I can submit my turnouts to for 'certification'
(unbelievably, the NASG is not interested). I would like to put an end to
the doubt and all the angst it seems to cause. I'm an S gauger like the
rest of you; I don't want to be viewed as a pariah just because I have done
something that most to say 'it can't be done'. I really thought the S
community at large (and I respect the 100% scale side and realize my
turnouts aren't for them) would embrace my development as something which
has been long sought.

If it wasn't for the grant, I think I would just walk away from this and S
gauge,

Tom Stoltz

Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork
Maine S Gaugers
NASG

www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44302 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: JADA For Sale 1/64 Vehicles
Well I have pre-war Tootsie toy and similar diecast or slush cast
vehicles on my AF S layout and they look as good as the other toys
on the layout and some of them are probably somwhere around 1/64!
Besides due to the absence of any real significant error of parallax
on the average layout 1/64 exactly might be fine at the front of the
layout but looks way out at the rear. Alistair
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Degnan" <Scaler164@...> wrote:
>
> Tell that to all of the collectors, and find out a whole new
perspective! Besides, TOYS don't come with scale identification
marks.
>
>
> John Degnan
> Scaler164@...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Crpntr12449@...
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: May 30, 2007 6:57 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: JADA For Sale 1/64 Vehicles
>
>
>
>
> Hear, hear Bull. They are just toys.
>
>
> Carlton
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44303 From: Bill Porter Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: selling stuff
Howdy Folks,



I prefer that we allow the odd selling message. Good etiquette requires the
sellers to put the for sale notice in the subject.



It would be best to keep our community together and to stop all of the
fragmentation due to narrow interests. There are not very many of us in this
size of train. We should stick together, communicate politely, mostly keep
on topic, use the subject line and thereby add to our enjoyment of the
hobby.



Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Phil K
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:47 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: selling stuff



I think most of the "selling" posts here have the words "for sale" in
the subject line. Which should be enough of a cue for those opposed
to either skip 'em or delete 'em.

I wasn't aware a few selling posts here were such a hardship.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44304 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Selling Stuff
My 2 cents. Listing one or two items for sale at a below book or
reasonable price to people you know and e-mail regular is no problem (
just between friends ). E-bay is ( get me as much as someone will pay )
take your chances with someone you don't know. AND before I stir up a lot
of E-Bay people, E-Bay has its place, but as you read these posts, there
are some problems with people who sell on E-bay and some shippers.
Jerry HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 44305 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: List running amok......
It is sad that someone on the
S Scale list has now refered
to ACG operators as
undesirable. I think we
should stay away from posting
anything on the S Scale list
that won't run on Code 100
or less. They can be nasty
and hurtful.

Glenn

Re: this weekend, this list and the free world as we know it
Posted by: "Roger Nulton" roger.nulton@... skywater98339
Wed May 30, 2007 2:53 pm (PST)
How about "S-Everything except ACFlyer". That should root out most of the undesirables!
Roger Nulton
Looking for as large an audience as I can get.


----- Original Message -----
From: Donald Thompson
To: Thomas Stoltz ; S Train e-group ; S-scale
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:30 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: {S-Scale List} Re: List running amok......


Dear Tom,
Unless things changed since I was on the NASG Standards Committee,
the NASG has no certification process, that is what the NMRA does. I
believe it just involves measurements and numbers, not how things run
through them. Due to the flangeway and check gauge standards, your
switch will never conform to NMRA or NASG S-3 standards. But, in S, I
do not think that any mfg. has an NMRA warrant for track work so I would
not be too concerned.
Sorry,
Don

Thomas Stoltz wrote:

> Dear S Gauge:
>
> I would like to request your help. I would like to know how I would go
> about ending this line of thinking:
>
> Posted by: "David Dewey"
>
> . the issue of manufacturing a turnout that meets scale requirements
> as well
> as high rail layouts is critical to the future of RTR S SCALE as well as
> high-rail. I am now of the opinion that it can't be done--too many
> compromises resulting in a switch that is unreliable in both modes--unless
> one is willing to live with a closed frog (and there are prototype closed
> frogs!).
>
> I sincerely believe I have developed what we have been calling the
> 'universal' turnout. I have done what seems like endless testing,
> development. In my tests, the turnouts are 100% reliable. I receive
> letters from some of the people who use my turnouts and it is the same
> thing
> - reliable though all modes of operation - Flyer, Hi-rail and scale and
> scale brass. Some even all in the same train. Many have witnessed this.
>
> My turnouts have been reviewed in the S press -- both the Dispatch and
> the S
> Gaugian - and again they performed as advertised. However, this hasn't
> convinced most S gaugers. As a result, it seems like a review is not the
> answer.
>
> Please tell me what group I can submit my turnouts to for 'certification'
> (unbelievably, the NASG is not interested). I would like to put an end to
> the doubt and all the angst it seems to cause. I'm an S gauger like the
> rest of you; I don't want to be viewed as a pariah just because I have
> done
> something that most to say 'it can't be done'. I really thought the S
> community at large (and I respect the 100% scale side and realize my
> turnouts aren't for them) would embrace my development as something which
> has been long sought.
>
> If it wasn't for the grant, I think I would just walk away from this and S
> gauge,
>
> Tom Stoltz
>
> Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork
> Maine S Gaugers
> NASG
>
> www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/
> <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/>>
>
>
.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44306 From: Richard Hosmer Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: Selling Stuff
In my experience, fully 99% of the complaints about Ebay come from unhappy
BUYERS.

It SHOULD be a seller's paradise, if one describes their items accurately,
prices them fairly, and packs & ships them properly. The seller holds ALL
the cards - if the funds don't arrive, you don't ship the goods, it is that
simple. Refuse to take Paypal; the system is flawed. INSIST on insurance -
REFUSE to ship a valuable item without it - BUT, make that policy part of
your terms, UP FRONT.

If you get a problem buyer, who makes a FALSE claim that you did something
"bad", don't worry - Ebay won't punish you. Of course, if the claim is
valid, and you DID do something bad/wrong, then it is YOUR fault anyhow, and
you need to make it right.

I will say this, I collect in several venues, and I have to say that , for
some reason, I hear more whining from "train guys" than anyone else - and I
have NO idea why.

Dick Hosmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 44307 From: George Cohn Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: Selling Stuff
Richard Hosmer wrote:
>
> I will say this, I collect in several venues, and I have to say that , for
> some reason, I hear more whining from "train guys" than anyone else - and I
> have NO idea why.

I've been a buyer and occasional seller on eBay since 1998. In that
time, I've bought hundreds of parts for my sports car restorations and
never had an issue.

I have also bought many AF train parts without issue.

I did have one problem with an AF seller who shipped the wrong part,
refused to answer e-mails, then accused me of not paying when I filed a
complaint. He never did ship the right part or refund my money as promised.

Don't have the answers but it seems that nowadays eBay is populated by
scam and quick buck artists and it's not the same as it was a few years ago.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 44308 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: Selling Stuff
Right. Toy trains are way, way, over priced, but people will pay way to
much, cry about the condition than want to sell them for a profit. I
don't
understand. Trains are fun to play with. Have fun. The only people I
have had trouble with are the ones who don't read the descriptions in the
write up.
Jerry



On Thu, 31 May 2007 07:20:54 -0700 Richard Hosmer <rahosmer@...>
writes:
> In my experience, fully 99% of the complaints about Ebay come from
> unhappy
> BUYERS.
>
> It SHOULD be a seller's paradise, if one describes their items
> accurately,
> prices them fairly, and packs & ships them properly. The seller
> holds ALL
> the cards - if the funds don't arrive, you don't ship the goods, it
> is that
> simple. Refuse to take Paypal; the system is flawed. INSIST on
> insurance -
> REFUSE to ship a valuable item without it - BUT, make that policy
> part of
> your terms, UP FRONT.
>
> If you get a problem buyer, who makes a FALSE claim that you did
> something
> "bad", don't worry - Ebay won't punish you. Of course, if the claim
> is
> valid, and you DID do something bad/wrong, then it is YOUR fault
> anyhow, and
> you need to make it right.
>
> I will say this, I collect in several venues, and I have to say that
> , for
> some reason, I hear more whining from "train guys" than anyone else
> - and I
> have NO idea why.
>
> Dick Hosmer
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44309 From: Scott Freeman Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: AF collectors group
Can anyone tell me is there a AF collectors group out there? I have been a part of this s-trains group for a while now and it seems to be more about scale trains than anything. I collect S-Gauge American Flyer and old toys. It do not care if it is not a perfict 1/64 scale because they are toys if they are close that is fine. If not and I like it fine it is a TOY. Some where I think the fact that they are toys has got lost with a lot of people no matter how much they cost they are still TOYS. There has been a lot of talk about switches not being to scale or a cars tires being to big. Just look at the original AF switches the control box on them to scale would be about 8 feet tall. But for the most part they work preaty good and they are 50 years old.

Scott


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44310 From: roy inman Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: AF collectors group
Scott, there is the www.acgilbertheritagesociety.com.

They are folks interested in the gamut of Gilbert products, from magic sets
to Erector sets to AF.

There may be one just for AF collectors, but I haven''t seen it. I would be
interested to know as well.

Roy Inman

From: Scott Freeman <northdorchesterrr@...>
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:45:47 -0700 (PDT)
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] AF collectors group


Can anyone tell me is there a AF collectors group out there? I have been a
part of this s-trains group for a while now and it seems to be more about
scale trains than anything. I collect S-Gauge American Flyer and old toys.
It do not care if it is not a perfict 1/64 scale because they are toys if
they are close that is fine. If not and I like it fine it is a TOY. Some
where I think the fact that they are toys has got lost with a lot of people
no matter how much they cost they are still TOYS. There has been a lot of
talk about switches not being to scale or a cars tires being to big. Just
look at the original AF switches the control box on them to scale would be
about 8 feet tall. But for the most part they work preaty good and they are
50 years old.

Scott

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44311 From: roy inman Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Undesireables...
I like to think that was meant with tongue in cheek, the upper one.

Roy Inman

From: Glenn Ritter <gartrain404@...>
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 08:59:51 -0400
To: A/S-TRAINS <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, Thomas Stoltz
<tstoltz@...>, Donald Thompson <don@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: {S-Scale List} Re: List running amok......


It is sad that someone on the
S Scale list has now refered
to ACG operators as
undesirable. I think we
should stay away from posting
anything on the S Scale list
that won't run on Code 100
or less. They can be nasty
and hurtful.

Glenn

Re: this weekend, this list and the free world as we know it
Posted by: "Roger Nulton" roger.nulton@...
<mailto:roger.nulton%40comcast.net> skywater98339
Wed May 30, 2007 2:53 pm (PST)
How about "S-Everything except ACFlyer". That should root out most of the
undesirables!
Roger Nulton
Looking for as large an audience as I can get.

----- Original Message -----
From: Donald Thompson
To: Thomas Stoltz ; S Train e-group ; S-scale
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:30 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: {S-Scale List} Re: List running amok......

Dear Tom,
Unless things changed since I was on the NASG Standards Committee,
the NASG has no certification process, that is what the NMRA does. I
believe it just involves measurements and numbers, not how things run
through them. Due to the flangeway and check gauge standards, your
switch will never conform to NMRA or NASG S-3 standards. But, in S, I
do not think that any mfg. has an NMRA warrant for track work so I would
not be too concerned.
Sorry,
Don

Thomas Stoltz wrote:

> Dear S Gauge:
>
> I would like to request your help. I would like to know how I would go
> about ending this line of thinking:
>
> Posted by: "David Dewey"
>
> . the issue of manufacturing a turnout that meets scale requirements
> as well
> as high rail layouts is critical to the future of RTR S SCALE as well as
> high-rail. I am now of the opinion that it can't be done--too many
> compromises resulting in a switch that is unreliable in both modes--unless
> one is willing to live with a closed frog (and there are prototype closed
> frogs!).
>
> I sincerely believe I have developed what we have been calling the
> 'universal' turnout. I have done what seems like endless testing,
> development. In my tests, the turnouts are 100% reliable. I receive
> letters from some of the people who use my turnouts and it is the same
> thing
> - reliable though all modes of operation - Flyer, Hi-rail and scale and
> scale brass. Some even all in the same train. Many have witnessed this.
>
> My turnouts have been reviewed in the S press -- both the Dispatch and
> the S
> Gaugian - and again they performed as advertised. However, this hasn't
> convinced most S gaugers. As a result, it seems like a review is not the
> answer.
>
> Please tell me what group I can submit my turnouts to for 'certification'
> (unbelievably, the NASG is not interested). I would like to put an end to
> the doubt and all the angst it seems to cause. I'm an S gauger like the
> rest of you; I don't want to be viewed as a pariah just because I have
> done
> something that most to say 'it can't be done'. I really thought the S
> community at large (and I respect the 100% scale side and realize my
> turnouts aren't for them) would embrace my development as something which
> has been long sought.
>
> If it wasn't for the grant, I think I would just walk away from this and S
> gauge,
>
> Tom Stoltz
>
> Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork
> Maine S Gaugers
> NASG
>
> www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/
> <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/>>
>
>
.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44312 From: Lawrence Schliessmann Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: perhaps off topic but interesting
Perhaps this is not quite appropriate for the list, if so I apologize, but since so many other members had troubles with the Brian Wilson gang at M & W Internet Auctions on Main, I wanted to share the following.
I purchased 2 Hudson steamchests from them. They shipped one plus a headlight socket with bracket. I emailed them and was told I should return the socket and bracket. Then I asked if they would pay for shipping. Stacy informed me: �OF COURSE WE WILL.�
So I emailed that the shipping would be $6.00 (their rate for items less than three ounces) and if they paid through paypal there would be a $1.00 charge for insurance.
My word did I ruffle some feathers! Stacy told me that I obviously had an axe to grind and should keep the light socket. Furthermore, I should not bid on their auctions in the future.
My return email questioned why I as a businessman should be required to pay the $6.00 plus $1.00 but not expect to receive that amount when returning the item.
The following email suggested that I please take my business elsewhere.
It seems that Brian Wilson runs his business down a one-way street.
I thought some might find this rather amusing.
Larry Schliessmann


Lawrence Schliessmann
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44313 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: AF collectors group
When I got back into AF trains in the early 90's I joined that group.

It basically was mostly about Erector sets, which I am not interested in. I don't recall any mention of AF trains in that group's newsletter, so I dropped out.

Maybe they do a bit more with AF, I don't know.

Just wanted to pass along my experience with that group.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: roy inman
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF collectors group


Scott, there is the www.acgilbertheritagesociety.com.

They are folks interested in the gamut of Gilbert products, from magic sets
to Erector sets to AF.

There may be one just for AF collectors, but I haven''t seen it. I would be
interested to know as well.

Roy Inman

From: Scott Freeman <northdorchesterrr@...>
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:45:47 -0700 (PDT)
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] AF collectors group

Can anyone tell me is there a AF collectors group out there? I have been a
part of this s-trains group for a while now and it seems to be more about
scale trains than anything. I collect S-Gauge American Flyer and old toys.
It do not care if it is not a perfict 1/64 scale because they are toys if
they are close that is fine. If not and I like it fine it is a TOY. Some
where I think the fact that they are toys has got lost with a lot of people
no matter how much they cost they are still TOYS. There has been a lot of
talk about switches not being to scale or a cars tires being to big. Just
look at the original AF switches the control box on them to scale would be
about 8 feet tall. But for the most part they work preaty good and they are
50 years old.

Scott

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44314 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: AF Claim Update
I got a form in the mail today for the claim for my Rath Reefer.

Forms looks pretty easy to fill out, as there is a place for the value for the item before the damage for a full claim. Then there is a place for a partial claim for the difference between value before and after the damage, as I think that might mean I get to keep the item then.

I will use the Greenberg 2007 pricing guide, as I am not sure how they are going to come up with their value for the piece and they would like some pictures of the item, which is fine.

I will let you know what happens next.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44315 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: train layout update
As I wrote on the train list earlier, that I got the American Classic track at York this past April, for the process to start the layout in the train room.

I am getting the train room worked on next week, as I have a contractor coming out to do some minor drywall repair, that was damage from a frozen pipe in 1984, as I knew to turn the water off, but I did not know about draining the water out of the pipe by removing the bleeder bib. The drywall was repair in 1984, but not very good. So I want to get it right, before I get this project going I have the room empty now, except for the trains on the glass enclosed shelves. I will tape up the Plexiglas on Monday, as the contractor is coming Wednesday.

I received my new UV filters for the fluorescent lights, as both Joseph Lechner and Rance Velapoldi, both train people and chemist, by trade, assure me, that the UV filters will stop the UV rays from the lights and that paint vapors will not hurt the trains or Plexiglas.

So, once the drywall work is done, as I will be changing the UV filters and bulbs this weekend, I should be able to start the painting.

So, by the middle of June, I will getting the needed lumber to start the layout, which is about 15 years overdue.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44316 From: Scott Freeman Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] AF collectors group
John
I do not care what you call your S-Scale Model trains. If the scale is not 1 to 1 scale it is a toy. And it looks like I am not the only one that sees it that way. But that is your thing.
Scott
Group: S-Trains Message: 44317 From: Scott Freeman Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Fwd: Re: Re: [S-Trains] AF collectors group
John
There you said it yourself. Your models strive to represent the real thing. But in the end they are just toys trying to be something that they are not.

I guess that I understand this because I am the Vice-President of a real railroad the North Dorchester Railroad and I own 6 miles of track with 2 postwar pasenger cars with a engin on the way.

Scott

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44318 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: perhaps off topic but interesting
Hi Larry,

I think your email is very appropriate, as it deals with a purchased you
made with a seller of S gauge items, whether you made this purchase through
Ebay, a train show, mail order parts dealer, etc.

I was one of those who a wonderful buying experience with a flatcar with
repro pipes from Mr. Wilson, as he did not say in the auction, the pipes
where reproduction.

And like you, all heck broke out.

And yes, the emails when back and forth, only getting worse, as I am banned
from bidding on any of his products, as if I would ever do that.

No, your email is very appropriate, to help others to make their own
decision to deal or not to deal with this person.

Thanks for the story, as I am sorry that you had to go through that for
something you are not at fault for.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Schliessmann" <schliess@...>
To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:27 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] perhaps off topic but interesting



Perhaps this is not quite appropriate for the list, if so I apologize, but
since so many other members had troubles with the Brian Wilson gang at M & W
Internet Auctions on Main, I wanted to share the following.
I purchased 2 Hudson steamchests from them. They shipped one plus a
headlight socket with bracket. I emailed them and was told I should return
the socket and bracket. Then I asked if they would pay for shipping. Stacy
informed me: “OF COURSE WE WILL.”
So I emailed that the shipping would be $6.00 (their rate for items less
than three ounces) and if they paid through paypal there would be a $1.00
charge for insurance.
My word did I ruffle some feathers! Stacy told me that I obviously had an
axe to grind and should keep the light socket. Furthermore, I should not bid
on their auctions in the future.
My return email questioned why I as a businessman should be required to pay
the $6.00 plus $1.00 but not expect to receive that amount when returning
the item.
The following email suggested that I please take my business elsewhere.
It seems that Brian Wilson runs his business down a one-way street.
I thought some might find this rather amusing.
Larry Schliessmann


Lawrence Schliessmann
eBay store noirbooks99 for great deals.
schliess@...
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44319 From: roy inman Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Re: AF collectors group-Toys vs serious
Got into a discussion the other day with a golfing relative. He asked if I
was still playing with my "toys" and got this incredibly condecendent smile
on his face that told me he thought I was being silly.

I asked him if he was still "Playing with his golf clubs." He became
indignant and said that golf was "Serious business."

"But do you make any money from it?" I asked. "Well, no."

Then it is a hobby and the golf clubs are toys.

Toys are for play.

And to keep this post S related, it looks as though our local S club will be
getting a grant to build, run and maintain an S layout as part of the Union
Station Kansas City Holiday Village layout. We are pretty excited about
this. After all, it is the best venue for showcasing model trains between
here and Chicago. Great exposure for S.

We will be using SHS sectional track and turnouts exclusively and will be
running mostly SHS, AM and Flyonel.

The entire layout goes up mid-September and will be up well into January.

If any of you are in the area, please stop by and take a look at it and at
the second-largest train station in America.

Cheers :)

Roy Inman, still plays with trains in Lenexa

From: Scott Freeman <northdorchesterrr@...>
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:51:52 -0700 (PDT)
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] AF collectors group


John
I do not care what you call your S-Scale Model trains. If the scale is not 1
to 1 scale it is a toy. And it looks like I am not the only one that sees it
that way. But that is your thing.
Scott



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44320 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 5/31/2007
Subject: Removal of AM Roofs from Baggage Car ?
Tonight I tried unsuccessfully to remove the roofs from two unpainted AM heavyweight baggage cars. I have done this several times before but it has been a few years. Any tips or suggestions on how to remove these roofs without damaging the cars would be appreciated.-
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I want to have these cars ready to paint just as soon as Bill Lane reports the final decision on the accurate paint for the mighty Pennsy, though these cars will look much better wearing L&N blue.

Thanks for any help you can give me - Earl Henry, Nashville
Group: S-Trains Message: 44321 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 6/1/2007
Subject: AF collectors group
If you stay tuned to this station, This S-trains group of several hundred
has a wide interest, From scale, hand built equipment ( rivet counters)
to A.C.Gilbert only, Chicago Flyer, Gilbert HO, Manufactures, and Hobby
shops. To someone taking there 3rail childhood toy out of the original
box and setting it up on the floor and enjoying it, " Beauty is in the
eye of the beholder "
BUT this group is very good at sharing knowledge, history, operation, and
repairing S- gage trains + some non-train related subjects of interest,
This is a fun related group. If the subject being discussed at a time
doesn't interest you, tune in later, not many re-runs.
Jerry TCA HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 44322 From: innotron Date: 6/1/2007
Subject: layout photos
Hi Folks,
I posted some layout photos today under Alex's Layout. It is a work in progress which has already been 5 years in the making but still has a long way to go. Back in 1950 I chose my 312AC set with passenger cars because I could run them in the dark. A.C. must have thought of me because he put a headlight on each engine and made great accessories that light up. Thus I became a night runner and my layout is set up to run that way. It is an 8 x 10 table on two levels. There are 16 switches and I can run one train through all 16 or run 4 trains at a time with two additional trains on passing sidings. The log loader is set up to receive logs on one side and load them on the other. This allows unloading from one train and then moving and switching the train to the other side of the log loader to receive the same logs thus minimizing the use of "the big hand from the sky". Most of the structures are wonderful Pine Canyon kits and all of the structures are illuminated with the interiors decorated. I previously posted several of my modeling photos on the S-scale page but was careful not to show any of my high rail wheel flanges. The mere mention of AF seems to really tick those guys off! Are there any other night runners out there? Seems like a lot of Flyer items such as the passenger and searchlight cars, aircraft beacon, bubbling towers etc need darkness in order to be fully appreciated. And by the way, the grandkids are mesmerized by the Disneyland-like effect.
Back to running trains,
Alex Sibbald

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44323 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 6/1/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Removal of AM Roofs from Baggage Car ?
Pieter, thanks for sharing. -
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The toothpick idea sounds like a great one. I will try it.

These particular models do not have the screws to hold the roofs down. I
think these cars are from the first run that was marketed by SHS for AM.

But I have experience with a fairly new cafe car that has screws to hold down
the roof. I am converting this car to an observation car and had to reverse
the direction of the roof so the correct end would be at the rear. This is
the first car I have seen with the screws but I understand why. The roofs for
the long cars are bowed. Because I had to reverse the direction of the roof,
I had to remove a couple of the tabs. I am either going to have to screw the
roof down or find some other way to keep the roof flat against the top of the
car sides. But one of the plastic pieces that were added to each end of the
roof to receive the screws had to be removed because it is exposed at the
observation end of the car. So I may have to glue the roof to the car. I am
trying to find another way to secure the roof and using glue will be a last resort.


Your comment about not getting anywhere without removing the screws is very
pertinent. Never having seen one of these cars with the roof screwed, I wasted
a lot of effort trying to remove the roof without realizing screws had been
added. The long roof came off fairly easily once I observed these two screws.
Actually I think Dick Karnes alerted me to those screws after I sent him an
email that I was having trouble removing the cafe roof. Until receiving your
email, I did not realize that the newer short heavyweight cars also have screws
to hold the roofs down.

Thank you again for sharing your tips and experience.

- Earl Henry, Nashville

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In a message dated 6/1/2007 6:50:44 AM Central Daylight Time,
pieter_roos@... writes:

Hi Earl;

I went through the "re-learning" process a couple of
months ago. There are two screws holding the roofs on,
under where the couplers swing. You won't get anywhere
with those in place.

Once you remove the screws, it's a matter of pushing
in and up on the latches. You might find you need some
toothpicks to keep the latches dis-engaged while you
work on the next set. Once they are free, the roof
should slide out.

The screws appear to be overkill. Even with the
latches filed down the roofs don't appear to go
anywhere.

Pieter Roos
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44324 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 6/1/2007
Subject: turnouts
Hi again,

I would like to address:



>If the guard rail is spaced far enough from the stock rail to accommodate
Flyer wheels, the scale wheels may slip to the center and pick the frog.<



With my turnouts it is the insert that guides the scale wheels away from the
frog point making it possible for the guard rail to be spaced for Flyer
while allowing the turnout to accommodate scale.

You really can have it all.



>Tom Stoltz has a RTR code 148 turnout that claims to run scale and hirail.<



Glenn, my line is much more extensive using SHS rail.

Thanks,

Tom Stoltz

Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork
Maine S Gaugers
NASG

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44325 From: thesullivansnc Date: 6/1/2007
Subject: Info on American Flyer train set
Greetings!
Please forgive my ignorance, as I'm not a train collector and I'm new
to this group. Bear with me, if you will.
As a birthday present for my brother (who turns 50) I am trying to
buy/put-together a train set he had as a kid. All I have of that set
now is the engine - the rest is gone.
It's an American Flyer engine, #21168, with a logo on the tender that
says "The Southern Serves the South".
As his younger brother, I didn't get to use the train set much, but I
believe it is circa 1960-1964ish. From what I recall, there were
about 4-5 other cars - a red caboose, flat bed, box car, and a crane
which worked using a string and little crank(?). The crane (or any
of the other cars) may have been purchased separately, but I remember
a few years ago looking through a glossy book which had pictures of
American Flyer train sets and I thought I saw a picture of this set,
crane and all. The transformer had a red knob which moved to provide
power.
Also ... I'm not even sure if the engine I have works ... I'm pretty
sure the headlight and smokestack failed years ago, but I don't know
if it would run if it was placed on a working track.
So, there you go. I've rambled on enough.
Any help would be appreciated - thoughts, links, dealers, etc.
Thanks in advance.
David
Group: S-Trains Message: 44326 From: Greg Klein Date: 6/1/2007
Subject: Revised Information - 2007 NASG Convention, July 10-14, Baltimore,
The Baltimore Area American Flyer Club is hosting the 2007 NASG
convention. Following are brief descriptions of the tours we are
offering in addition to the usual convention activities. Tickets are
still available for all tour though some are filling quickly. For
more information visit our website: www.baafc.org or contact Monte at
flheppe@... or Greg at moviemadness2@...

Rail Tours

Maryland Midland Shops-Western Maryland Railway Historical Society
Museum Tour – Tuesday, July 10 – Departs Hotel at 10:00 am

Maryland Midland Railway (MMID) is a short line railroad operating in
central Maryland with its company headquarters located in Union
Bridge, Maryland. The MMID motto is "We Mean Business."
Incorporated in 1978, MMID started operations in May, 1980 on 17
miles of track leased from the State of Maryland between Walkersville
and Taneytown. Currently, MMID owns 70 miles of track with 63 miles
in service. The company owns 10 locomotives – seven GP-38-3s and
three GP-9s. The company freight car fleet consists of 424 cars that
were either owned or leased. This is the first shop tour the
railroad has conducted for rail fans.

The Western Maryland Railway Historical Society museum is located in
the former Western Maryland Railway station at Union Bridge, MD.
Besides the historical exhibits, there is an operating N gauge
layout.

Layout Tour #1 – Tuesday, July 10 – Departs Hotel at 6:00 pm

This tour includes three layouts that we hope will inspire those who
have been hesitant to built a layout to begin construction.

Ed and Nancy Schmidbauer's traditional Flyer layout shows how much
fun you can have in a limited space and illustrates a creative way to
expand your empire.

Walt Westerfield's layout is hard to describe because it is always in
transition. Walt never hesitates to dismantle all or part of his
layout to try something new that strikes his fancy. Ask him about
his poured concrete grade and ballast trough experiments.

Bob Davison's mid size Flyer/hi-rail layout showcases his structure,
engine and rolling stock construction projects.

Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority Shops – Wednesday,
July 11,Departs Hotel at noon

The Washington METRO is one of the most modern subway systems in the
country. It takes great pride in the maintenance of the system. You
will never see graffiti on its cars or equipment. The New Carrolton
Shops are one of a number of maintenance facilities operated by METRO.

B&O Railroad Museum/Ellicott City Railroad Museum/ Baltimore
Streetcar Museum – Thursday, July 12 – Departs Hotel at 9:15 am

The B&O museum is where America's most important, historic and
comprehensive collection lives to tell the story of railroading every
day. Forty acres of heritage and a world class collection await your
discovery.

The Ellicott City Railroad Museum is located in the oldest railroad
station in America! Completed by the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad in
1831, this National Historic Landmark is the perfect compliment to
the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad Museum's downtown campusThere' s
something here for everyone! The Ellicott City Station boasts one of
the most acclaimed HO scale model railroads in the country, living
history programs engage children and families and it's located
directly on the B&O Railroad's historic Old Main Line over which CSX
Transportation operates massive freight trains every day!

The Baltimore Streetcar Museum tour includes, rides on original
Baltimore streetcars, displays of streetcar memorabilia, an audio
visual presentation of Baltimore's streetcar history, a guided
Carhouse Tour and the gift shop

Chesapeake and Allegheny Steam Preservation Society – Friday, July
13 – Departs Hotel at 10:00 am

We have arranged "a trip into the past" with a visit to the steam
trains of the Chesapeake and Allegheny Steam Preservation Society
operated in Leakin Park, Baltimore. The trains are operated on a 2-
track main line. The trains are 1/8th full size and are mostly pulled
with coal-burning live steam locomotives. The Railroad Division is
part of a privately financed, operated and maintained miniature steam
power museum. Steam power is demonstrated in many ways, although the
railroad is the most visible. The locomotives are privately owned so
trains run only when their owners can make them available. The
Chesapeake and Allegheny operates over 3 miles of track on 10 plus
acres.

Layout Tour #2 – Friday, July 13 - Departs Hotel at 3:30 pm

This tour includes four larger layouts. David Avedesian's Boston and
Maryland Railroad features a large roundhouse with operating
turntable, many operating accessories and a long winding main line.
Dave operates both TMMC and DCC.

While not S gauge, we had to include Howard Zane's immense (2850 sq.
ft.) world class HO layout.

Sam Powell's beautiful scale layout was featured in the March/April
Dispatch. Need we say more.

Dan Vandermusse' s Scale layout is operational but still under
construction. It illustrates some scenery and building techniques
that are quite interesting.

Non Rail Tours

Havre de Grace Tour – Wednesday, July 11 - Departs Hotel at 9:30 am

Featured is a walking tour of this historic seaport on the
Chesapeake Bay with lunch at MacGregor's restaurant on the
waterfront. After lunch there will be shopping at the Prime Outlets
at Perryville just across the Susquehanna River.

Sykesville Tour - Saturday, July 14 – Departs Hotel at 9:30 am

This should really be included in the Rail tours. The tour starts
with a walking tour of historic downtown Sykesville, a town on the
B&O's "Old Main Line. Lunch will be at Baldwin's Restaurant located
in the former B&O station. Train still run past the station. After
lunch we will visit the Sykesville & Patapsco Railway Club's display
layouts.

Monte Heppe/
Greg Klein
Group: S-Trains Message: 44327 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/1/2007
Subject: Re: Info on American Flyer train set
The set# I found is 20720 The Prairie Marksman.
The cars are 25071, 24230,24056,24636 Made in 61
In 62 they changed the 24056 to a 24054. You might find the pic's to these
in the Galley in Paul's directory....Mike S



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44329 From: keefer1 Date: 6/1/2007
Subject: Ebay Buyers
I 'm not going to post details , but I will share the
story with any ebay seller that wishes to contact me
off listconcerning a potential problem with a ebay
train buyer. Keefer1



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44330 From: David Dewey Date: 6/1/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: List running amok......
Hi all,
Not certain why this scale discussion spilled over here, but I do want to clarify Tom's respsonse to my posting:
In response to this posted by: "Thomas Stoltz" tstoltz@... tcalvin48
>Dear S Gauge:
>I would like to request your help. I would like to know how I would go
about ending this line of thinking:

>Posted by: "David Dewey"
>I am now of the opinion that it can't be done--too many compromises
resulting in a switch that is unreliable in both
>modes--unless one is willing to live with a closed frog (and there are
prototype closed frogs!)."

Well, since I started "this line of thinking" I guess it will end here.
Ed L. suggested a loop with both curved and straight turnouts to demonstarte the compatibility issue. Sorry, that's only one test--turnouts also have to deal with cars being backed through them, both directions--long cars and short cars, talgo mounted couplers and body mounted couplers.
Tom, if you have managed this, hats off to you, I was mearly expressing my opinion based on the lack of standards for all the different high rail and "toy train" wheel flanges, tread width and gauging. There are so many parameters!!
My statement was not meant to be directed towards any person nor manufacturer!!!
I hope this clears things up a litle.
S'incerely,
David Dewey

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44331 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 6/2/2007
Subject: Re: AF collectors group-Toys vs serious
Congratulations on your clubs good fortune. How did you get the grant?
Keep us informed of your project.
Toys or serious it is all great fun good for family and budding engineers.
Train tables taught me to work with wood and wiring taught me electricity.
Who knew then I would use these skills on submarines. Tom
Group: S-Trains Message: 44332 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 6/2/2007
Subject: Re: Info on American Flyer train set
Hello,

Take a look at the web page below that may show your set.

http://myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1961Catalog/
AF_1961_catalog_page4-5.htm

Chuck
http://www.myflyertrains.org
A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Onine!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44333 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 6/2/2007
Subject: Re: Selling Stuff
Well I have 100% positive feedback. It is not that I am perfect I have made
grievous errors But through reasonable negotiations fix the goof.
aftrainmann Tom
Group: S-Trains Message: 44334 From: roy inman Date: 6/2/2007
Subject: Re: AF collectors group-Toys vs serious
Congratulations on your clubs good fortune. How did you get the grant?
Keep us informed of your project.
Toys or serious it is all great fun good for family and budding engineers.
Train tables taught me to work with wood and wiring taught me electricity.
Who knew then I would use these skills on submarines. Tom

I would describe our grant-getting process as being persistent.

The model railroad club at Union Station Kansas City receives more than
$20,000 grant money annually for improvements to the massive Holiday Village
layout that is displayed in Grand Hall from September through January.

We just kept talking up S over the last three years, so that now we will
receive a portion of those funds and be included in the 2007 version. As
with other phases of the layout, if things go according to plan we should
receive funds to make it even better in coming years. The Lionel club put up
their layout last year, an O gauge three rail of course. I kid them and say
that the third rail does make it more realistic-if it's a subway :) Now the
spirit of A. C. Gilbert, in the form of S-Helper Service equipment, will
take his rightful place along with Joshua Lionel Cowen at Union Station
Kansas City.

It is really amazing and quite gratifying to see how many thousands of
families flock to see the Holiday Village layout. IMHO, it has done a great
deal to help bring model railroading back center stage to our part of the
Midwest. We are also an Amtrak station and the big layout is directly
outside the entrance to the waiting room, so thousands of in-town and
out-of-town visitors get a glimpse as they arrive and depart.

If anyone is near the KC area October 13~14, please drop by the station;
that is the date of our train expo and will feature several operating
layouts (including our club's S modular), tons of vendors, the Holiday
Village layout and of course the KC Rail Experience. It will be a weekend of
wall-to-wall trains!!!

I will post a photo or two of the layout in the photos section as we get
further along with construction.


Roy Inman


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44335 From: Paul Yorke Date: 6/2/2007
Subject: Wiki Flyer page
Check out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Flyer

Wiki is a kind of page that allows you to add or correct the page content.

Paul Yorke


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44336 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 6/3/2007
Subject: Re: Tom's Turnouts with Frog Insert
Michael and all,

Let me thank Dick K for having a second look at my turnout and as usual, he
hit the nail on the head. He is quite right that the insert 'guides' the
scale wheels away from the frog point making the guard rails largely
'decorative'. Thanks also go out to Ed L for his great sense of humor. But
why 'from behind the outhouse'? <G>

My turnouts were designed for the Hi-rail modeler who also runs their Flyer.
The scale aspect is a bonus, so to say.

I've been sending this paragraph out so much lately, I will post it here
with the hope that it will clear up a lot of questions:

For #5 frogs and up, my standard test train is: AM GG1, HR Kadee #5 couplers
body mounted; AM HW baggage, 6 wheel HR trucks, KD #5s body mounted; NASG/AM
full length WH 6 wheeled trucks, SHS scale wheels; AM full length smooth
side passenger HR, 4 wheeled trucks, body mount KD #5s; SHS stock car scale
wheels, body mount #5s; a Gene Fletcher scale converted hopper, scale
wheels, body mount KD #5s; Am Flyer box car, link trucks and wheels, body
mount KD #5 one end, link coupler on the other; Am Flyer caboose, all link.
This consist is oriented on the track so that it backs through the points
when testing. I use the slowest speed (4.6 VDC) first, then mid range (I
would say it is a speed you - scale guys -- would operate your trains -
appropriately slow) and finally, full throttle tinplate; forward and backing
through both routes. The turnouts don't leave the shop if they can't do
this.

Another plus for the insert is it prevents Flyer sliding pickup shoes from
dropping in and acting like a dead bolt lock.

In testing my observations have been the same as Dick's. When you run a
lone truck through the drop-in is pronounced. However, if the truck is
attached to a piece of roll stock, the drop-in all but disappears at the
slowest speeds and disappears altogether as the speed increases.

On last thing, my product line is much more extensive (and expanding) using
the SHS #155 rail rather then code 148.

Thanks again to all,

Tom Stoltz

Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork
Maine S Gaugers
NASG

www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44337 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/3/2007
Subject: RARE CAR
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230138232801&ssPageName=ADME:B:BOC:US:1

OK..... why is this RARE...... HA HA..... I did submit a 5.00 offer.... course I think I will offer the a pile a 20.00 each..... Think of the profit they will make..... Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44338 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/3/2007
Subject: Canadian AF
Interesting item on Ebay for a AF set, common items, but from A.C. Gilbert of Canada Ltd., as that is clearly on the box.

Mike Marmer
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American Flyer train set # 20763 from A.C. Gilbert of Canada Ltd. Burlington Ontario, and sold through Canadian Tire stores. The box is plain brown, no freckle face little kid on it, with a "Buy Canadian" logo on it. Contains track, transformer, 21165 locomotive, 24125 gondola, 24422 box car and 24636 caboose. All pieces are nice and clean, and the cars and engine look near new. with good couplers, engine works. The box lid has a vertical cut on both sides such that the lid can be bent upwards and has created a crease across the top. Some shelf wear evident and a couple of small splash stains on box. Neat collectable because of the box - which is much less common because of the smaller size Canadian market being sold in. Postage extra.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44339 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/3/2007
Subject: Re: Canadian AF
MIKE.... This was up before..... I tried but I thinj his reserve is high..... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Ralph Loveless
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:46 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Canadian AF


Interesting item on Ebay for a AF set, common items, but from A.C. Gilbert of Canada Ltd., as that is clearly on the box.

Mike Marmer
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American Flyer train set # 20763 from A.C. Gilbert of Canada Ltd. Burlington Ontario, and sold through Canadian Tire stores. The box is plain brown, no freckle face little kid on it, with a "Buy Canadian" logo on it. Contains track, transformer, 21165 locomotive, 24125 gondola, 24422 box car and 24636 caboose. All pieces are nice and clean, and the cars and engine look near new. with good couplers, engine works. The box lid has a vertical cut on both sides such that the lid can be bent upwards and has created a crease across the top. Some shelf wear evident and a couple of small splash stains on box. Neat collectable because of the box - which is much less common because of the smaller size Canadian market being sold in. Postage extra.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44340 From: Edward G. Date: 6/3/2007
Subject: CANADIAN AF ....."eh"
DOWN Boy ...Hay We were a large markey for AF too ...The biggest Dept
stores of the day in the 50 -60s sold trains here like any other
city ..and Yes they did have a Canadian office back east ...Nothing
unusal about that boys ...Thats what kept our interest in Flyer
going ...."Eh"
Group: S-Trains Message: 44341 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 6/3/2007
Subject: Re: RARE CAR
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44342 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 6/3/2007
Subject: Re: Canadian AF
I can usually find anything on eBay but this item is hiding from me.
I searched for "20763", "Canadian", "21165" but didn't find it.
What's the eBay item number?

Thanks, BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer"
<mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting item on Ebay for a AF set, common items, but from A.C.
Gilbert of Canada Ltd., as that is clearly on the box.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
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> American Flyer train set # 20763 from A.C. Gilbert of Canada Ltd.
Burlington Ontario, and sold through Canadian Tire stores. The box is
plain brown, no freckle face little kid on it, with a "Buy Canadian"
logo on it. Contains track, transformer, 21165 locomotive, 24125
gondola, 24422 box car and 24636 caboose. All pieces are nice and
clean, and the cars and engine look near new. with good couplers,
engine works. The box lid has a vertical cut on both sides such that
the lid can be bent upwards and has created a crease across the top.
Some shelf wear evident and a couple of small splash stains on box.
Neat collectable because of the box - which is much less common
because of the smaller size Canadian market being sold in. Postage
extra.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44343 From: lember2004 Date: 6/3/2007
Subject: help finding Gilbert Farm set Cutout Instructions
Hi Group, I am trying to find a copy [or, even better, original] of
the instructions that came with the Gilbert Farm Set from 1950 that
showed how to assemble the cardboard cutout farm. Would appreciate
any leads - or if someone has the instructions, I'd be happy to pay
for a Xerox copy. The Gilbert identification was "M2817 American
Flyer Cardstock Kit Instructions." Thanks. Mark
Group: S-Trains Message: 44344 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/3/2007
Subject: Re: Canadian AF
BULL..... http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=300117625218&rd=1,1 Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Bull_Gator_1
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:41 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Canadian AF


I can usually find anything on eBay but this item is hiding from me.
I searched for "20763", "Canadian", "21165" but didn't find it.
What's the eBay item number?

Thanks, BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer"
<mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting item on Ebay for a AF set, common items, but from A.C.
Gilbert of Canada Ltd., as that is clearly on the box.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
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********************************
> American Flyer train set # 20763 from A.C. Gilbert of Canada Ltd.
Burlington Ontario, and sold through Canadian Tire stores. The box is
plain brown, no freckle face little kid on it, with a "Buy Canadian"
logo on it. Contains track, transformer, 21165 locomotive, 24125
gondola, 24422 box car and 24636 caboose. All pieces are nice and
clean, and the cars and engine look near new. with good couplers,
engine works. The box lid has a vertical cut on both sides such that
the lid can be bent upwards and has created a crease across the top.
Some shelf wear evident and a couple of small splash stains on box.
Neat collectable because of the box - which is much less common
because of the smaller size Canadian market being sold in. Postage
extra.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44345 From: Robert Graves Date: 6/3/2007
Subject: Re: Canadian AF
Like the Bull Gator, I couldn't find it at first because I was searching for items located in the U.S. Duh.

Because of the box, I asked the seller for permission to use his pictures in The Gilbert gallery. He granted the request, but stated that he couldn't guarantee that the contents of the set were either correct or complete.

Interesting it is that there are three of these sets for sale at the same time. Because the other two have a different engine and different cars (only the caboose is in common), I looked it up in Tufts and find no mention of a Canadian version. Does anyone know whether there was a different Canadian version of the set? Or did the guy maybe throw some cars in the box hoping that nobody would notice? His careful disclaimer may reveal that he knows it is not a correct set.

Another Bob


ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...> wrote:
BULL..... http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=300117625218&rd=1,1 Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Bull_Gator_1
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:41 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Canadian AF

I can usually find anything on eBay but this item is hiding from me.
I searched for "20763", "Canadian", "21165" but didn't find it.
What's the eBay item number?

Thanks, BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer"
<mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting item on Ebay for a AF set, common items, but from A.C.
Gilbert of Canada Ltd., as that is clearly on the box.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
**********************************************************************
********************************
> American Flyer train set # 20763 from A.C. Gilbert of Canada Ltd.
Burlington Ontario, and sold through Canadian Tire stores. The box is
plain brown, no freckle face little kid on it, with a "Buy Canadian"
logo on it. Contains track, transformer, 21165 locomotive, 24125
gondola, 24422 box car and 24636 caboose. All pieces are nice and
clean, and the cars and engine look near new. with good couplers,
engine works. The box lid has a vertical cut on both sides such that
the lid can be bent upwards and has created a crease across the top.
Some shelf wear evident and a couple of small splash stains on box.
Neat collectable because of the box - which is much less common
because of the smaller size Canadian market being sold in. Postage
extra.
>
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>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44346 From: Art Shifrin Date: 6/4/2007
Subject: S gauge much more safe than O
Hi Gang,

I presume that since last night's episode of The Sopranos has been
aired, that it's okay that I cite the hit in the train shop. It was
Gomez Adams + genuine malice. Is it not a reasonable hypothesis that had
been Bobby been into S gauge, that there far are fewer stores to which
he could've gone to indulge in an $8K train? At least his character was
killed when doing what he loved with what I estimate was less than a
minute of angst.

I pose these questions:

1. Are there any 'made men' (in the nationwide criminal clique that
does not exist) who are primarily devoted to S?
2. Was the scene shot in a real store, or on a set? If the former, then
what store is it?
3. What boxed exc+ catalogued S sets (presumably Gilbert AF) could in
today's market) carry at least an $8K price?
4. How were the subjective shots ('taken' from the top of the tender)
done? The clarity of the those parts of the sequence was superb.
Was an off-the-retail-shelf video system used?

If more than one episode were left, then perhaps we'd find out what will
happen to Bobby's trains, but I doubt that'll be addressed
the upcoming series finale.

RIP Bobby
Art (Shiffy) Shifrin




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44347 From: romoyer@att.net Date: 6/4/2007
Subject: Re: S gauge much more safe than O
To Art and the group:

In response to question 1, I'm not made but the last name Moyer we got thru the witness protection program. My family's from South Philly with a real last name lost to the ages but it is Sicilian. Yes, I've been running S, American Flyer all my life. I'm an engineer and my family is completely legitimate. (just like Michael Corleone used to say)

Regards

Bob Moyer

"I deny everything, because everything I say is a lie, and everything I deny is a lie" Groucho Marx

-------------- Original message from "Art Shifrin" <Goldens3@...>: --------------

Hi Gang,

I presume that since last night's episode of The Sopranos has been
aired, that it's okay that I cite the hit in the train shop. It was
Gomez Adams + genuine malice. Is it not a reasonable hypothesis that had
been Bobby been into S gauge, that there far are fewer stores to which
he could've gone to indulge in an $8K train? At least his character was
killed when doing what he loved with what I estimate was less than a
minute of angst.

I pose these questions:

1. Are there any 'made men' (in the nationwide criminal clique that
does not exist) who are primarily devoted to S?
2. Was the scene shot in a real store, or on a set? If the former, then
what store is it?
3. What boxed exc+ catalogued S sets (presumably Gilbert AF) could in
today's market) carry at least an $8K price?
4. How were the subjective shots ('taken' from the top of the tender)
done? The clarity of the those parts of the sequence was superb.
Was an off-the-retail-shelf video system used?

If more than one episode were left, then perhaps we'd find out what will
happen to Bobby's trains, but I doubt that'll be addressed
the upcoming series finale.

RIP Bobby
Art (Shiffy) Shifrin



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44348 From: muniman18 Date: 6/4/2007
Subject: S0PRANO'S
The train store is trainland located in Lynbrook L.I. N.Y.
Ilived in the town for thirty years untill this past
April mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 44350 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 6/4/2007
Subject: 50's Beer ad on History Channel
Probably answered before, but THC had a history of American Breweries on Modern Marvels this past weekend; when exerpting the cute TVC ads from the 50's, one brewer used a Flyer set-uo-loco # and American Flyer logo removed, but a 290 or 295-no mistaking the tender or the whitwwalls-who was it??-John Marganski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44351 From: muniman18 Date: 6/4/2007
Subject: sopranos
The seens was shot oops sorry for the pun at trainlnd in
Lynbrook L I NY on sunrise hwy know the store well lived in
the town until this april they do not traffic in much s
gauge at all. LOOK FOR sell orders on e-bay soon MIKE
Group: S-Trains Message: 44352 From: henry arbelo Date: 6/4/2007
Subject: Subway and EL Cars
Lookin to build an EL from Chicago, Im from there so I gotta have' em in my layout. Who? What? Where? How? to get em. Know of any custom model makers out there? Thanks, Henry
Group: S-Trains Message: 44353 From: dphobbies Date: 6/4/2007
Subject: Internet Sale S Scale America Container Kits
END OF THE LINE FOR RIVETED CONTAINER KITS

We are discontinueing and closing out our remaining S Scale riveted
container kits. We are now sold out of #354 48' container. We still
have a small stock of #352 - 40', #353 - 45' and #355 - 53
containers. Normal msrp is $12.00 for a 2 pack kit. Now $6.99 while
they last. Also, we are offering our container decals at 50% off
with this sale only. This only applies to the Cont series decals.
No backorders will be taken as these are discontinued and will not be
rerun. Go to www.desplaineshobbies.com and go to S Scale decals for
a complete list. You snooze, you lose.

These are great when used with our Husky stack or on Flyer or SHS
flat cars. They also make great scenery storage containers too, just
like the real ones.

Also if any of you are in the Garden state this weekend, it is SHS
open house. Check out their web site for details and drop by and
help them celebrate. Somebody's having a birthday too.

Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America
1468 Lee Street
Des Plaines, IL 60018
1-847-297-2118 fax 1-847-297-4976
Group: S-Trains Message: 44354 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 6/5/2007
Subject: A store for anytown, spam, advert, do not read
If you read this, you may become adicted to S-scale. Stores to sell
your wares. We actually have the first two kits on the line. We have
the complete structure kit with all 4 walls on the line. Also, the
front wall can be purchased separatley. The front wall has been a very
agressive project. Very complex to cast. We should have photos up
within a couple of weeks. Here is a link to the page
http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/style1.htm If we get a good
response on these, we will make other styles.
Happy Day, Keith Blanchard
Pine Canyon Scale Models.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 44355 From: SnSTrains@aol.com Date: 6/5/2007
Subject: Blatant plugola: AF Smoke In Tender can motor conversion
Here's our latest blatant commercial ad.
The long asked for and long in development conversion to can motor for the
smoke in tender units
has arrived.
We wanted to make it in kit form, but due to differences in mounting
platforms of the Gilbert tenders
it would require more than one "kit". So, we are now taking tenders in and
doing the modification
for $60. This is a smooth honey. It will run at break over voltage and set
there and chug, chug,
slowly with smoke pouring out, because the open frame motor is not present
to rob power from
the smoke box. This will be a very quick turn around modification. We are
also recommending that
you change the bellows units to sleeve and piston. They are available from
parts dealers or we will
have them for $40, and they can be installed at the same time.
Send em in. Were ready to rock and roll.

Want a photo or two? Email us and we'll send them.

Steve
S-'n-S Trains
American Flyer
replacement can motors
S-Gauge Videos
American Flyer repair
S and O gauge track cleaners
3239 Pepperwood Dr.
Boise, Idaho 83704
208-376-1159
SnStrains@...
www.sns-trains.com



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44356 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/6/2007
Subject: RE 324AC with whistle controller
Can anyone give me the set # & car #'s that came with the 324 AC. I think it
was a passenger set. Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44357 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/6/2007
Subject: LISTINGS - EBAY- ETC
Like most have said I do not mind HEADS UP notes on thier items..... I too feel better buying from those on this list. WE ARE ALL FRIENDS HERE..... AND WE ALL HAVE SOME GOOD TIMES JABBBING AT EACH OTHER..... THIS IS ALSO ALL FUN!!!!! I read most of the messages.... for a moment..... if i am not interested I hit DELETE...... Now lets change the subject to something eles.... ( keep posting they way we do) If its a train problem tell us..... If your cats sick.... you can share it with me or us ( Soon as its well I like Chicken !!!! ) Etc...... I got lots of GREAT HELP with my problem 3 years, 7 months, 16 days and 2 hours ago from you guys and Gals......

NOW I WILL REALLY START UP A BATTLE.... SHOULD I REALLY PAINT SKYS BLUE?????? Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44358 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/6/2007
Subject: Fw: [dairycollectors] Queen City
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Ralph Loveless
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:32 PM
Subject: Fw: [dairycollectors] Queen City


The below, is from a Milk Bottle list I am on.

Anyone know where you can dig up any trains?

There are many milk bottles that where dumped into a dump, when a dairy closed up.

Thought it might work with trains. O:)!

Actually, if you think about, there might be allot of dumps before 1970 with trains buried as there where thrown away.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From:
To: dairycollectors@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:02 AM
Subject: [dairycollectors] Queen City


Looking for area in Cumberland, MD to dig in order to look for Queen
City Dairy bottles. Is anybody familiar with this area?





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44359 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/6/2007
Subject: Re: RE 324AC with whistle controller
According to TUFTS book..... the 324ac, k325, 325ac only came in freight sets...... But who knows.... I have several boxes, like the 134 thats not listed..... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: anormal1@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 5:38 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE 324AC with whistle controller


Can anyone give me the set # & car #'s that came with the 324 AC. I think it
was a passenger set. Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44360 From: James Hannawald Date: 6/6/2007
Subject: Re: RE 324AC with whistle controller
Mike,

The 324AC came in set 5006WT, cars were the 717, 629, 631, and 630. It included the electronic whistle controller. See the 1950 catalog on Chuck Harrington's site. http://www.myflyertrains.org

This set was my very first back in 1950.

Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: anormal1@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 5:38 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE 324AC with whistle controller


Can anyone give me the set # & car #'s that came with the 324 AC. I think it
was a passenger set. Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 44361 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/6/2007
Subject: Fw: [dairycollectors] Queen City
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Ralph Loveless
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:32 PM
Subject: Fw: [dairycollectors] Queen City


The below, is from a Milk Bottle list I am on.

Anyone know where you can dig up any trains?

There are many milk bottles that where dumped into a dump, when a dairy closed up.

Thought it might work with trains. O:)!

Actually, if you think about, there might be allot of dumps before 1970 with trains buried as there where thrown away.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From:
To: dairycollectors@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:02 AM
Subject: [dairycollectors] Queen City


Looking for area in Cumberland, MD to dig in order to look for Queen
City Dairy bottles. Is anybody familiar with this area?





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44362 From: uvl97222 Date: 6/6/2007
Subject: Red Smoke Capsules
Do any of you know of any repro red smoke capsules that were made or are now being made at this time? They look so much like they were OEM parts that I couldn't tell them apart from AC Gilbert stuff. Here is the Ebay # 260120587201 Now you can see what I am talking
about.


Clayton S. D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44363 From: lumglum Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: Smoke Fluid
Looking for J T Smoke Fuild ...can anyone help?
Thanks,
Goerge
Group: S-Trains Message: 44364 From: David Dewey Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: Fw: [dairycollectors] Queen City
Don't forget the parking lot in Conn. that was filled in with All aboard panels after the ACG sale.
Ask HSS where it is!
S'
David D.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44365 From: William Porter Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: Hess Mini-Truck
Hi Folks,



Those of us in the Eastern US have access to Hess gas stations. Right now,
they are selling the mini truck for 2007. It is a nice-looking fire-rescue
truck with lights and an extensible ladder. My scale ruler says it has a
track of about 8 feet, a wheelbase of just over 12 feet and an overall
length of 20 feet. When I stood Railmaster and MTH unpainted figures next
to it, it seemed just a little short - or vertically challenged. However, it
is a handsome model and the working lights are a plus. If you have access to
a Hess station or one of the sources on line, you might consider this a
decent addition to your auto fleet.



Each year, the Hess folks sell a different mini truck at the end of May
start of June. Some of them are very nice for an S layout. This one is one
of the better fits.



Bill



Bill Porter

Loxahatchee, Florida





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44366 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: Re: 324AC
Thanks to all that helped with the 324AC set, Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44367 From: muniman18 Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: sopranos
This may be a little off the normal topics,but if you have time
my son wrote a column abt trains and youth and Bobby Bacalla
GO to Longisland press.com and on the left under
Columinists Michael M. Martino jr you may get a kick out of
it Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 44368 From: clayton deich Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
I went to that site George, but there was no capsules
there.Yes there is smoke in all sorts of smells, but I
am looking for the red capsules type that look like AC
type. Bacon smell too.....

Clayton S. D.







--- lumglum <gpmlg@...> wrote:

> Looking for J T Smoke Fuild ...can anyone help?
> Thanks,
> Goerge
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44369 From: Dennis Back Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: Re: Red Smoke Capsules
--- uvl97222 wrote:

> Do any of you know of any repro red smoke capsules
> that were made or are now being made at this time?
> They look so much like they were OEM parts that I
> couldn't tell them apart from AC Gilbert stuff.
> Here is the Ebay # 260120587201 Now you can see what
> I am talking
> about.

Clayton,

Thanks for this VERY interesting post.

If my memory serves me correctly, the original AF
capsules had white writing on them. Just checked some
old shriveled up capsules, and yes, they say "Smoke
Refils" and some more which I didn't bother to read.
I'm not sure if the originals were ever produced
without the write printing on them. Maybe someone
else can chime in.

I was very surprised to see that they HAVE reproduced
these. I too, would like to know who did these and
when they were done.

I've been on the S-Trains list for ten years and don't
remember the subject of repro capsules ever coming up
before (but I could have missed it). So anyone out
there, please fill me and the others in.

Dennis Back
Miami, FL


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44370 From: ER Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: WARNING --- Discounted items for sale ----WARNING
I have the following American Models Budd Passenger Cars for Sale: These
are the rarer Painted versions with Hi-Rail Wheels.



These are now sold out so it may be a while before you can get any more,
although I have not seen any painted versions on Ebay for a while either.





Burlington Silver set of 4 cars. These are the Painted, not chromed cars.
These are Hi-Rail (AF Compatible) with Knuckle couplers, not Scale.



Burlington Silver extra coaches. These are also Painted, Not chrome.
Hi-Rail (AF Compatible) with Knuckles, Not Scale (2 silver eagles and 1
silver Larch)





$260 for the set of 4 (list at $319) plus $12 USPS

$50 each for the 3 cars (list at $65) Plus $7 USPS

(buy all 4 items and shipping is $20)

That's $430 for all seven cars including the $20 for shipping. (basically
book price for sold out cars)





Eric Reis

Kenmore, Wa.

northline@....



Cashiers check, money order, or Paypal work..





Thanks



eric



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44371 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: Re: Red Smoke Capsules
OK, I have a box of 10 that I just picked up. They are full. The writing on the outside is in yellow print as fallows:
Smoke Cartridge No 25
Developed by the Gilbert Hall of Science
The AC Gilbert Co.
New Haven Conn. USA
Anyone know the approx vale of 10 in the org. E cond box All full
Group: S-Trains Message: 44372 From: clayton deich Date: 6/7/2007
Subject: Re: Red Smoke Capsules
Hi Dennis, I have give or take 25 filled dealer boxes
of the capsules. Some of the capsules do have the
paint on them and,some do not have the paint on them.
Now all this makes me think they could be the real
thing. I have never read anything that said that some
one was making them either. Thanks for the help.




--- Dennis Back <backden@...> wrote:

>
> --- uvl97222 wrote:
>
> > Do any of you know of any repro red smoke
> capsules
> > that were made or are now being made at this time?
> > They look so much like they were OEM parts that I
> > couldn't tell them apart from AC Gilbert stuff.
> > Here is the Ebay # 260120587201 Now you can see
> what
> > I am talking
> > about.
>
> Clayton,
>
> Thanks for this VERY interesting post.
>
> If my memory serves me correctly, the original AF
> capsules had white writing on them. Just checked
> some
> old shriveled up capsules, and yes, they say "Smoke
> Refils" and some more which I didn't bother to read.
> I'm not sure if the originals were ever produced
> without the write printing on them. Maybe someone
> else can chime in.
>
> I was very surprised to see that they HAVE
> reproduced
> these. I too, would like to know who did these and
> when they were done.
>
> I've been on the S-Trains list for ten years and
> don't
> remember the subject of repro capsules ever coming
> up
> before (but I could have missed it). So anyone out
> there, please fill me and the others in.
>
> Dennis Back
> Miami, FL
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44373 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: TRACK PAN ON YOUR LAYOUT?
I thought this was interesting
from the scale list.

Glenn

NYC trivia...in S scale, of course
Posted by: "Edward Loizeaux" Loizeaux@... ed_loizeaux
Thu Jun 7, 2007 2:06 pm (PST)
Gents...

While working on my layout this morning, I determined there was a
suitable location on the mainline for a famous NYC track pan. "What da
heck is a track pan?" you ask. Well, unlike the dirty brown neighbor to
the south, the NYC was quite innovative and always trying out new ideas
to improve efficiency. Going longer distances between fueling stops was
one idea that worked once tenders were built with larger coal areas and
smaller water areas. Smaller water capacity was fine since the tenders
had bottom-mounted water scoops that could be lowered down and scoop up
water from containers located between the rails. All this could be done
at high speeds and so schedules were not adversely impacted. These
containers were called "track pans" and held water and frequently had a
water tower nearby as well as a crew shed for the winter.

"Huh?" you say, "whatza connection between winter and a crew shed?"
Well, in the winter the track pans got rather cold. And water has a
tendency to get quite hard at freezing temperatures. And when the water
scoop on the tender collides with the hard frozen water, it is not a
happy scene. The solution was to have crews of men nearby in order to
attack the ice with iron picks just before the train arrived. With the
broken ice in small chunks, the scooping technique worked and the train
sped on it's way without delay -- and the passengers never knew the
difference. But then, the men got cold. What to do? Small crew sheds
were built to provide a wind-free place in which to huddle. Body heat
or a small stove kept the men from getting hard like the water. At
least until the next train came along when vigorous activity with hand
tools kept them warm. Since these water pans were used for passenger
service only, the trains were scheduled and folks knew pretty much when
they had to go picking.

After doing a bit of research, I found a book that stated these pans
were 1800 feet long. At least one particular pan was that length. So
how long is that in S scale? Using my cheapo calculator, it figures out
to be 28 feet long. Whoa....hold on there.....I don't have THAT much
room. So mine are going to be about three feet long. Talk about
selective compression. My pans will be 89% compressed. Good thing I am
not a rivet counter. But it will look better than way. Water pans on
curves are just not correct -- I don't think.

Anyway, hoped you enjoyed this little bit of modeling trivia. Got any
of yours to share?

Cheers...Ed L.

You can see a typical pan setup in the site below (scroll down to the
bottom article):

http://www.aamrc.org/page.php?5

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44374 From: Phil K Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: Track pan
Some of them were heated, eliminating the need for ice-chopping workers.

Read more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Track_pan
Group: S-Trains Message: 44375 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: NYC trivia...in S scale, of course
In a message dated 6/7/2007 6:07:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
raisinone@... writes:

BTW Ed, the dreaded Pennsy also used track pans. I think the NYC's
real innovation was not the track pans, but installing vent over-
flows in tenders so water could be taken on at high speeds. Without
these devices (note all the large pipes along the bottom sides of NYC
Hudson and Niagara tenders), taking on water at high speeds would
have literally blown up the tender!




The PRR's tender hatches had no latches, they simply opened when the tender
was full. Hatch "lid" was wider and longer than the scoop, allowing at least
as much water out as in, albeit, at speed. Many engineers took great
exception to their fireman alllowing this to happen. Head "Brakies" riding in the
"dog house" on the rear of the PRR tenders didn't appreciate it either. Most
"dog houses" had wooden floors over the water tank, high speed water could
find it's way up to greet them. Also was verboten if passing another train at
speed.

Jim "lovin' livin" on the Keystone Main" Lyle



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44376 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: Re: TRACK PAN ON YOUR LAYOUT?
In a message dated 6/8/2007 1:12:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
gartrain404@... writes:

Well, unlike the dirty brown neighbor to
the south, the NYC was quite innovative and always


Certainly glad Glenn brought Ed's letter to light. Of course, the "dirty
brown neighbor" was the late, GREAT PRR (ushered into oblivion, by the way, by
the greediest of the greedy at the time, Perlmann of New York Central fame).

While the NYC may have employed picks and shovels to remove ice, the cooler
heads at PRR simply installed steam lines under the pans and on the ties,
inside and outside the rails to PREVENT ice. Less than a block from me now,
stands a BRICK pump house which housed the steam boiler and pumps to lift the
water from a small reservoir to the track pans above. A steam boiler at track
level provided the necessary steam to prevent freezing in the winter. The
PRR owned at least three homes at this location, two small, one larger in close
proximity where crew members/maintainers lived with their families.
As Bill Lane pointed out, unsuspecting hoboes riding on the rear of a PRR
tender could become "bum-sickles" in the winter, because there would have been
NO warning when water was to be picked up (controlled by fireman) and the
PENNSY tender water hatches had NO latches on them, so that water could simply
open the hatch when the tender overfilled and run over the back of the tender
OR run down the "deck drains" on either side of the tender at the rear. All
of this can be easily seen at RRMPA (PA RT 741) in Strasburg, PA. It is
possible to look under several of the steamers to see the "scoop", look down
from the bridge to see the drains and see and read the explanations on
display. ( I understand that once upon a time, not TOO long ago, a bright thinker
at LIONEL spotted the drains on a prototype model and ordered them filled
because he knew nothing about railroading).

By the way, I believe the Central called themselves the "Water Level Route"
because they simply didn't have the motive power to climb mountains as the
PENNSY did hundreds of times every day.

Jim "TUSCAN PROUD on the Keystone Main" Lyle



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44377 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} NYC trivia...in S scale, of course
In a message dated 6/7/2007 10:31:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Loizeaux@... writes:


Whazat.....does the Water Level Route have a long space of LEVEL track?
What kind of a question is dat? Of course I have a really long stretch
of (apparently) level track. This IS the mighty NYC, y'know


Ed,

Curious. Wouldn't modelling the late, GREAT PRR with brighter colors
(TUSCAN comes to mind) with rolling hills be more interesting and fun than dull,
gray cars on the flat???? Just curious on the Keystone Main.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44378 From: Chris Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: Re: TRACK PAN ON YOUR LAYOUT?
Jim "TUSCAN PROUD on the Keystone Main" Lyle sez:
By the way, I believe the Central called themselves the "Water Level
Route" because they simply didn't have the motive power to climb
mountains as the PENNSY did hundreds of times every day.

You mean like those sissy little Hudsons and powerless Mohawks?

I do love some of those wild Pennsy designs (T-1) but steam engines
were supposed to pull, not slip!

Chris Zizzo
Defending the Water Level Route because, well, really, why put the
tracks in the mountains?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44379 From: Chris Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: Bobby Baccala leaves by train
Mike, I read your son's piece in the Press and enjoyed it. I wrote
him an e-mail and I have copied it here, to the list.

Hi Mike:
I'm a train guy, one of those lost souls who spends way too much
money and time on giving in to the dream. In fact, your Dad
directed me, along with the rest of us train gavonnes on the S gauge
list, to your article. I guess I come at this from two directions,
since I also have worked several seasons as a lighting technician
on "The Sopranos", though, not for this episode.

I noticed an odd word usage in your piece. Maybe it was just an
error, but if it was, it could not have been a more apt one. You
said "Trainland, which is still doing a brusque business, is a
wonder store for the young and old." Of course, the straight-up way
to say it would have been "a brisk business" meaning a lively and
active viable market. Brusque means "abrupt and curt in manner or
speech; discourteously blunt," or so says the American Heritage
Dictionary. They and you have never been closer to the truth.

Long ago, I stopped ogling the trains at Trainland. They offer
unsuspecting boobs pennies on the dollar for valuable items then
mark them up to full retail as soon as the seller leaves the store.
They buy up current production and hold it in inventory until it
becomes scarce and then sell it at the collector's price. They
charge outrageous prices for repairs and make you wait forever. And
they are rude, rough, and uncaring; brusque, actually.

Trainland, or your dream of it, fell to pieces long before Bobby
Baccala's bulk bashed it to the ground. Trains, and the train
hobby, are alive and well, elsewhere.

Cordially,
Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 44380 From: Phil K Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: Bobby Bacala's train haunt redux
>> They offer unsuspecting boobs pennies on the dollar for valuable
items then mark them up to full retail as soon as the seller leaves
the store.<<

One day my history as an investigative reporter got co-mingled with
a desire to visit a few of the train shops in the Chicago area to see
how much new -- and old -- Flyer they had, as they claimed in their
advertising. I was disappointed with what I found.

For my own amusement, I also took with me an E-condition 21140 for the
ride, and after browsing each of five stores, approached the back
counter and showed them the locomotive, which I had tucked in an old
box padded with yellowed, crumpled newspaper pages. Told them I found
it in a closet in the house we just bought and I wanted to see if it
had any value before putting it in the trash.

Had I brought a hidden video camera with me, you would have seen that
the highest offer I received in those five stores was $65 -- and that
guy said his offer was good only until I left his store.

My opinion that I was a good predictor of human nature got quite a
boost that day.

As I packed up the train each time to leave, I stared each guy
straight in the eye and said my final words: "And then you'd go ahead
sell it for what it's really worth... over two G, right?"

You shoulda seen the looks I got.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 44381 From: jnr59@aol.com Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: IMPORTANT FALL S FEST (ST LOUIS) INFORMATION
WHEN: Friday, November 2 through Sunday, November 4, 2007
WHERE: St. Louis Airport Marriott Hotel
MORE INFO NEEDED or WANT A PEEK AT THE MEET CARS?: Check out our website at:
_http://www.trainweb.org/afsgsla/_ (http://www.trainweb.org/afsgsla/)
By now, everyone in our data base (including manufacturers, dealers and
vendors) should have received a Fall S Fest Pre-registration packet by mail.
* I you have NOT received a packet AND are NOT a manufacturer, dealer,
supplier or vendor, please complete the Registration Packet available at
_www.trainweb.org/afsgsla_ (http://www.trainweb.org/afsgsla) OR send your name
and address to: FSF 2007 c/o Moe Berk, 39 Graeler Drive, St. Louis, MO
63146-4938.
* If you are a manufacturer, dealer, supplier or vendor (ONLY),
please contact me, Jack Riely, immediately via email (_jnr59@..._
(mailto:jnr59@...) ) or call me directly at (636) 561-4670 to make arrangements for
attendance, table and special requests etc.
* You must register to take advantage of “early bird” discount
pricing AND/OR order one or more of the two really good looking Meet Cars, the UP
Generator Car (produced by Lionel LLC as American Flyer Stock No. 6-48261) and
the MKT TOFC Flatcar with Campbell Express Trailer (produced in the USA by
American Models) featuring the “humpin’ to please” camel logo.
NOTE: Both 2007 Fall S Fest cars will be limited production and may be
picked up at the Fall S Fest. Orders will be filled on a first-com, first–served
basis. Once all cars are reserved (probably during pre-registration), there
will be no more! We reserve the right to limit quantities per order.
S0…EARLY RESISTRATION IS STRONGLY ENCOURAGED!
The 32 Annual Fall S Fest, hosted by the American Flyer S Gaugers of the St.
Luis Area and co-sponsored by the Chicagoland Association of S Gaugers,
Badgerland S Gaugers, and State-Line “S” Gaugers will feature:
· A top-quality location – our first visit to the St. Louis Airport M
arriott Hotel, convenient to all area Interstates and accessible via the
MetroLink light rail system connecting the airport with Downtown St. Louis and
Union Station. St. Louis AMTRAK station is serviced by Metro.
· Value-priced $82 NIGHTLY ROOM RATE (1-4 occupants).
· One of the world’s largest gatherings of S Gauge enthusiasts,
manufacturers, and suppliers.
· Greatly enlarged swap meet area.
· Clinics, model contest, silent auction, train races, and operating
layouts.
· Special pre-registration raffle, plus hotel sweepstakes for early
registrants.
· Annual banquet, entertaining program, and post-banquet live
auction.
· “Open house” tours of area American Flyer and other S Gauge
layouts.
· Spouse activities, including a stamping workshop and a trip to
quaint, historic St. Charles, MO!
· Special Saturday-evening pizza party for the kids!
· Plenty to interest both hi-rail and scale operators and,
· For the S Gauger also interested in the real thing, all the
railroad attractions of one of the nation’s busiest rail centers plus the famous
collection of the world-famous Museum of Transportation. .
HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL HERE IN ST. LOUIS!!!!!!
Cheers,
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Chairman of Manufacturer, Supplier, Vendor and Dealer Committee



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44382 From: clayton deich Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: Re: Red Smoke Capsules
Well they are going for as little as .50 to as much
as $5.00
The first ones -1947 are longer then the newer ones
too.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44383 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: Re: Hess Mini-Truck
If anybody wants one...... cost is what I pay +tax+ postage..... Let me know..... Lots around here in Jacksonville...... Got min the other day.... Bob Conner..... RCON7
----- Original Message -----
From: William Porter
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 11:39 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Hess Mini-Truck


Hi Folks,

Those of us in the Eastern US have access to Hess gas stations. Right now,
they are selling the mini truck for 2007. It is a nice-looking fire-rescue
truck with lights and an extensible ladder. My scale ruler says it has a
track of about 8 feet, a wheelbase of just over 12 feet and an overall
length of 20 feet. When I stood Railmaster and MTH unpainted figures next
to it, it seemed just a little short - or vertically challenged. However, it
is a handsome model and the working lights are a plus. If you have access to
a Hess station or one of the sources on line, you might consider this a
decent addition to your auto fleet.

Each year, the Hess folks sell a different mini truck at the end of May
start of June. Some of them are very nice for an S layout. This one is one
of the better fits.

Bill

Bill Porter

Loxahatchee, Florida

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44384 From: Phil K Date: 6/8/2007
Subject: Re: Hess Mini-Truck
Here's what they look like and a place you can buy
he 2007 version, plus rarer one from previous years'
issues. But they're $14.95. What are the gas stations
selling them for?

Phil K

http://www.hesstoys.com/minis.html




--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...>
wrote:
>
> If anybody wants one...... cost is what I pay +tax+ postage.....
Let me know..... Lots around here in Jacksonville...... Got min the
other day.... Bob Conner..... RCON7
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: William Porter
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 11:39 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Hess Mini-Truck
>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Those of us in the Eastern US have access to Hess gas stations.
Right now,
> they are selling the mini truck for 2007. It is a nice-looking
fire-rescue
> truck with lights and an extensible ladder. My scale ruler says
it has a
> track of about 8 feet, a wheelbase of just over 12 feet and an
overall
> length of 20 feet. When I stood Railmaster and MTH unpainted
figures next
> to it, it seemed just a little short - or vertically challenged.
However, it
> is a handsome model and the working lights are a plus. If you
have access to
> a Hess station or one of the sources on line, you might consider
this a
> decent addition to your auto fleet.
>
> Each year, the Hess folks sell a different mini truck at the end
of May
> start of June. Some of them are very nice for an S layout. This
one is one
> of the better fits.
>
> Bill
>
> Bill Porter
Group: S-Trains Message: 44385 From: wpporter@duckburg.us Date: 6/9/2007
Subject: Re: Hess Mini-Truck
Hi Phil and Other Esteemed Colleagues,

The price in the gas station is $6.99. There are places on line - eBay and
others - selling these things for 'fell off the truck' prices. I would
avoid the gouger guys.

A few years ago, I offered to buy and sell these trucks at cost to list
members. A couple of people said they wanted a truck that year. I bought
extras and never heard another word. If you want one or more, it is
probably best to work through strangers.

Good Luck,
Bill

> Here's what they look like and a place you can buy
> he 2007 version, plus rarer one from previous years'
> issues. But they're $14.95. What are the gas stations
> selling them for?
>
> Phil K
>
> http://www.hesstoys.com/minis.html
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44386 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/9/2007
Subject: Re: Hess Mini-Truck
i am not sure.... but i think i paid 6.95 + tax for mine..... will stop by a station today and verify.... i would guesstimate around 12-13 total.... bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil K
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 1:59 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Hess Mini-Truck


Here's what they look like and a place you can buy
he 2007 version, plus rarer one from previous years'
issues. But they're $14.95. What are the gas stations
selling them for?

Phil K

http://www.hesstoys.com/minis.html

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...>
wrote:
>
> If anybody wants one...... cost is what I pay +tax+ postage.....
Let me know..... Lots around here in Jacksonville...... Got min the
other day.... Bob Conner..... RCON7
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: William Porter
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 11:39 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Hess Mini-Truck
>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Those of us in the Eastern US have access to Hess gas stations.
Right now,
> they are selling the mini truck for 2007. It is a nice-looking
fire-rescue
> truck with lights and an extensible ladder. My scale ruler says
it has a
> track of about 8 feet, a wheelbase of just over 12 feet and an
overall
> length of 20 feet. When I stood Railmaster and MTH unpainted
figures next
> to it, it seemed just a little short - or vertically challenged.
However, it
> is a handsome model and the working lights are a plus. If you
have access to
> a Hess station or one of the sources on line, you might consider
this a
> decent addition to your auto fleet.
>
> Each year, the Hess folks sell a different mini truck at the end
of May
> start of June. Some of them are very nice for an S layout. This
one is one
> of the better fits.
>
> Bill
>
> Bill Porter





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44387 From: Greene, Michael Date: 6/9/2007
Subject: Re: Hess Mini-Truck
On the way home from the S Helper Service Open House yesterday (we
had a great time - Thanks S Helper! and good to see a lot of
friends), we stopped at a local Hess to gas up ($2.79/gallon :-).
They had a large stack of them in the window of the kiosk. The trucks
were $6.99 plus tax. We opted not get any among the group of folks in
the car as they are very modern trucks. But they look just about the
right size.

Michael

At 6/9/2007 01:59 AM, Phil K wrote:

>Here's what they look like and a place you can buy
>he 2007 version, plus rarer one from previous years'
>issues. But they're $14.95. What are the gas stations
>selling them for?
>
>Phil K
>

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Member: NMRA(Life), NASG, Bristol S Gaugers, The 470 Railroad Club

National Assoc. of S Gaugers http://www.nasg.org
DCC Corner http://www.dccinfo.com
Maine Railroads http://www.mainerailroads.org
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44388 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 6/9/2007
Subject: Re: TRACK PAN ON YOUR LAYOUT?
Chris, et al,

While I neglected to mention the H Class Consolidations, the I Class
Decapods (Deks or Hippoes), the "borrowed design" J types, the world famous K
Class, the Class L Mikadoes, the M Class Mountains, the S & Q Duplexes, the
slippery (when starting) T Class, one must admit that the PRR often times had more
engines in one Class than many railroads had on their rosters.

Due to the "Standard Railroad of the World's" planning, it IS possible to
see and/or ride behind at least some of this famous power from time to time.
One PRR switcher still steams at Williams Grove, many weekends and occasions
thru the summer, sans her Belpaire firebox (lost in a 50's rebuild as the
story goes). Rumors have a K-4 under steam by the end of summer.

Probably most importantly, we test and share our knowledge as we carry these
torches.

Jim "ready to lay track on the Keystone Main" Lyle




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44389 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/10/2007
Subject: Re: TRACK PAN ON YOUR LAYOUT?
JIM AND GLENN..... What I can't wait to see is the Hudson flying down the track..... passing over the water pan.....WITH REAL WATER...... and brasstubes from under the tender and up the side...... THROWING TWIN ROOSTER TAILS LIKE RACE BOATS DOOOOOOO!!!! Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: WJJIM@...
To: busyboy@... ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TRACK PAN ON YOUR LAYOUT?


Chris, et al,

While I neglected to mention the H Class Consolidations, the I Class
Decapods (Deks or Hippoes), the "borrowed design" J types, the world famous K
Class, the Class L Mikadoes, the M Class Mountains, the S & Q Duplexes, the
slippery (when starting) T Class, one must admit that the PRR often times had more
engines in one Class than many railroads had on their rosters.

Due to the "Standard Railroad of the World's" planning, it IS possible to
see and/or ride behind at least some of this famous power from time to time.
One PRR switcher still steams at Williams Grove, many weekends and occasions
thru the summer, sans her Belpaire firebox (lost in a 50's rebuild as the
story goes). Rumors have a K-4 under steam by the end of summer.

Probably most importantly, we test and share our knowledge as we carry these
torches.

Jim "ready to lay track on the Keystone Main" Lyle
Group: S-Trains Message: 44390 From: Chris Date: 6/10/2007
Subject: Oooops!
Phil K sez:
On the way home from the S Helper Service Open House yesterday (we
had a great time - Thanks S Helper! and good to see a lot of
friends),

I screwed up.
Oh well, now I have to wait another whole year.
Sorry to have missed you guys.
Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 44391 From: innotron Date: 6/11/2007
Subject: Fw: {S-Scale List} Personal request-convention lift.
----- Original Message -----
From: Wallace Collins
To: S-Scale Group
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 5:37 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Personal request-convention lift.


Hi,

Due to some recently developed eyesight difficulty I am not up to
driving to Baltimore from northern New Jersey. I have been planning to use
Amtrak and still may. However, a couple of my buddies in the Lehigh Valley
S Gauge group volunteered to come all the way up here, way out of their way,
to give me a ride but I won't let them go hours out of their way to do that.

It did occur to me that some of you fellows from Westchester or
Rockland County, NY, or nearby Connecticut might be crossing the Tappan Zee
bridge and coming down the Garden State Parkway on their way to I95 and the
Jersey Turnpike. If so, a two mile or ten minute detour would take them to
my house. If I could bum a ride I would bring my EZ Pass and pay all the
tolls! I hope to go there Tuesday and return Sunday. Some good fellow
might even forward this to the S Trains Group. If any of you feel like
helping out an 84 year old S Gauger please contact me off list at
wcollins2@.... Wally Collins

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44392 From: WEG138@aol.com Date: 6/11/2007
Subject: A site for railroads
I came across this site and thought that many of you might enjoy a chance to
see what is going on the railroads. So enjoy!
_http://members.aol.com/e44e33/Railpix/morereflinks.htm_
(http://members.aol.com/e44e33/Railpix/morereflinks.htm)

Bill Greaves



************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44393 From: wjfraley Date: 6/11/2007
Subject: NASG Convention Baltimore 2007
Hi,
Maybe one of you can help Wally ?
Bill
Personal request-convention lift.
Posted by: "Wallace Collins" wcollins2@... wcollins2_99
Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:39 pm (PST)
Hi,

Due to some recently developed eyesight difficulty I am not up to
driving to Baltimore from northern New Jersey. I have been planning to use
Amtrak and still may. However, a couple of my buddies in the Lehigh Valley
S Gauge group volunteered to come all the way up here, way out of their way,
to give me a ride but I won't let them go hours out of their way to do that.

It did occur to me that some of you fellows from Westchester or
Rockland County, NY, or nearby Connecticut might be crossing the Tappan Zee
bridge and coming down the Garden State Parkway on their way to I95 and the
Jersey Turnpike. If so, a two mile or ten minute detour would take them to
my house. If I could bum a ride I would bring my EZ Pass and pay all the
tolls! I hope to go there Tuesday and return Sunday. Some good fellow
might even forward this to the S Trains Group. If any of you feel like
helping out an 84 year old S Gauger please contact me off list at
wcollins2@.... Wally Collins



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44394 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 6/11/2007
Subject: Insulators/whitewalls
White painted drivers wasn't a trick-up for a foto op, it was used to spot an incipient crack in the "tire" of the driver-J marganski

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Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels
in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44395 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 6/11/2007
Subject: Re: NASG Convention Baltimore 2007
I spoke with Ron Borsella just last Friday, he has 4 tables still available
for the trading hall. We need your support, how about you Bob Conner? Are you
coming up?



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44396 From: Al Baker Date: 6/12/2007
Subject: Lionel Mikado PRR 6-48053
I bought one of these new, and just received it a few days ago. Overall
I like it very much, nice detail, pretty good RailSounds, fairly
prototypical.

But I have two concerns:
The amount of smoke it produces is very small compared with legacy
American Flyer engines. Is that normal? Anyway to increase?

Second, I have been unable to get the boiler front off - as according
to instructions, that is where the smoke on/off switch is. I have
pushed and pulled as hard as I can without breaking everything. Any
secrets?

Al Baker
Portland
Group: S-Trains Message: 44397 From: Phil K Date: 6/12/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado PRR 6-48053
> I have been unable to get the boiler front off - as according
> to instructions, that is where the smoke on/off switch is. I have
> pushed and pulled as hard as I can without breaking everything. Any
> secrets?
>
> Al Baker
> Portland
>

It is held closed by a tiny magnet. Take a look at this:

http://tinyurl.com/25j6yh

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 44398 From: velapoldi Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: test-please ignore
Please ignore. only test. problem with receiving e-mails.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44399 From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Big Boy
GUYS:
A friend of mine would like to acquire a Big Boy. He'd like it to be in S or O. Doesn't even have to run as he just wants it for display. Any help out there?
Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44400 From: Don Rodgers Sr. Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Re: Paint Remover
Hi All, Can anyone tell me the best way to remove paint from old Am.Flyer plastic boxcars. Thanks in advance, Don Rodgers

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44401 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: WAY OFF TOPIC..... RIPOFFS
About a week ago someone sent me a link to a site about RIPOFFS for businesses..... Anybody have that link.....
rcon7@...

Bob RCON7

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44402 From: bandmancwc Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Looking for suggestions
Hi everyone,

I am looking for some ideas to use to activate my track gang and other
accesories. I use S Helper Strax, so I am unable to use the AF type
pressure trips. Any ideas would be appreciated...Thanks....Bill
Group: S-Trains Message: 44403 From: Marty.Thorin Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Collection disposal
Dear List:
How would one dispose of a large collection of trains? These
are not mine and they are not S Scale. They are scale with Kadee
couplers. They are not Tinplate nor Highrail. Does anyone have any
suggestions other than eBay? I'm hoping to maximize for the benefit of
the deceased's spouse.

Thorin


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44404 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions
When I was a kid I used to get Brass contacts from old PIN BALL machines.... I placed them under the track so the weight of the engine would cause contact..... Whistles would blox..... Gates would work, etc...... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: bandmancwc
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 4:30 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Looking for suggestions


Hi everyone,

I am looking for some ideas to use to activate my track gang and other
accesories. I use S Helper Strax, so I am unable to use the AF type
pressure trips. Any ideas would be appreciated...Thanks....Bill





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44405 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Re: Collection disposal
Marty.... right now I am facing the problem of way too much and getting older myself.... I am expermitting now with an Auction Company.... Will let you know how the test items go.... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Marty.Thorin
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:31 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Collection disposal


Dear List:
How would one dispose of a large collection of trains? These
are not mine and they are not S Scale. They are scale with Kadee
couplers. They are not Tinplate nor Highrail. Does anyone have any
suggestions other than eBay? I'm hoping to maximize for the benefit of
the deceased's spouse.

Thorin

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44406 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado PRR 6-48053
The Mikado's smoke unit works best when using it with TMCC Then the track
voltage is then high enough to get it working properly. Conventional mode
operation of the smoke is poor.

Be sure not to run it dry as it will shorten the life if the smoke unit
drastically.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Al Baker
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:03 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Mikado PRR 6-48053


I bought one of these new, and just received it a few days ago. Overall
I like it very much, nice detail, pretty good RailSounds, fairly
prototypical.

But I have two concerns:
The amount of smoke it produces is very small compared with legacy
American Flyer engines. Is that normal? Anyway to increase?

Second, I have been unable to get the boiler front off - as according
to instructions, that is where the smoke on/off switch is. I have
pushed and pulled as hard as I can without breaking everything. Any
secrets?

Al Baker
Portland



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44407 From: roy inman Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Re: Collection disposal
So what scale is the collection Marty? HO I presume? Or maybe O two-rail?

Anyway, from my observations of similar situations hereabouts, one or more
empathetic train club members have taken collections around to various train
shows and sold piece by piece. This brings the most money, probably, but is
time-consuming and now especially with the price of gas, expensive. Also, if
it is HO, in my observation, only a very few engines bring anywhere near
what they sold for originally. Rolling stock goes pretty cheap. I think
there are very few actual collectors of HO; they are mostly operators,
unlike S and O hobbyists.

If you are trying for top dollar it could take up to a year and beyond to
move everything, depending upon the size of the collection. Two friends who
took on such a task are still at it some eleven months later; they have gone
to train shows around two states and still have a lot left.

Then there is always the newspaper classified section, both hard copy and
online versions; I see in the back of various train magazines lots of stuff
for sale in their classifieds. A dealer of course will give you maybe 25
cents on the dollar.

Depending upon the financial situation of the spouse she (I presume it is a
"she") might be better served to donate it to a museum and take the tax
credit. This just happened at Union Station Kansas City. Long story, but to
cut to the chase, there were more than 500 HO engines and many more cars,
accessories and structures. Only about 10% of the collection can be on
display at any one time. The nice thing about a donation is that the
surviving spouse can get top dollar, on paper, for the collection and the
collection stays together for many, many others to enjoy.

Wish I had a simple answer...

Best of luck :)

Roy Inman

From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:31:28 -0500
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Collection disposal


Dear List:
How would one dispose of a large collection of trains? These
are not mine and they are not S Scale. They are scale with Kadee
couplers. They are not Tinplate nor Highrail. Does anyone have any
suggestions other than eBay? I'm hoping to maximize for the benefit of
the deceased's spouse.

Thorin

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44408 From: paflyrman Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Re: S-Trains Collection Disposal
As for donating to a museum, my guess is that you would probably have
to give the museum the right to do as they see fit with the collection
before they would accept it; therefore there is little guarantee that
it would remain in tact. Unless you have something exotic like the
Shempp or Vickers collections,they would rather have your money, and
most would more than likely just sell it off anyway.

paflyrman
Group: S-Trains Message: 44409 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions
Try checking out Z-stuff controls at www.z-stuff.net

Specifically check out the DZ-1011 Block Signal Detector Pair .

Mark


-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "bandmancwc" <Bandmancwc@...>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am looking for some ideas to use to activate my track gang and other
> accesories. I use S Helper Strax, so I am unable to use the AF type
> pressure trips. Any ideas would be appreciated...Thanks....Bill
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44410 From: roy inman Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Internet Hobbies and S
Just noticed that Internet Hobbies now is offering some S items at discount
prices. Not that it will lure me away from our usual suppliers, but at least
the wide audience of IH is a plus for the scale.

Roy Inman
Group: S-Trains Message: 44411 From: knucklechop Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Scale vs. HiRail
Please can someone explain this to me? Im new, (again) to the hobby.
And why does a fuel tank on GP series engines look way shorter in length
than HO or O Scale on S Scale engines if they are "scale"?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44412 From: knucklechop Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Scale vs. HiRail
Please can someone explain this to me? Im new, (again) to the hobby.
And why does a fuel tank on GP series engines look way shorter in length
than HO or O Scale on S Scale engines if they are "scale"?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44413 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: collection disposal
This is a good topic to banter about...... While I know trains pretty well I have been thinking about what would happen to all my JUNK if something goes wrong...... The other day I was looking into my Wifes Jewelry box..... There are beads, rings, pins, etc..... Only two I reconize because I paid for them.... Her rings and a Broach set that I remember paying about 400.00 for....... This has got me to thinking..... If I was not careful I would probely sell the whole pile for a few hundred.... simply due to lack of knowledge! My trains in the hands of somebody else!!!!! 10.00 fOR THIS BLUE PENN SALT TANK CAR!!!!! The kids would jump on it..... HOW ABOUT 15.00 FOR BOTH!!!!!!!.... I think you guys and gals see what I am thinking.... Knowledge is the basis for fair selling..... I guess I need to find books on Jewelry.... and as for HO being collectable..... A GILBERT TANK CAR JUST SOLD ON EBAY FOR 2500.00.....I also remember back around 1984 I bought a bunch of HO for a lady..... she wanted 300.00..... which I felt was more than twicw what it was worth..... Several months later I took the stuff to a show.... Stuck STUPID PRICES on them..... Like 25.00 a car..... People swarmed over the pile..... sold 1000.00 and still had over 1/2 left...... You never know.......Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44414 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Re: S-Trains Collection Disposal
In a message dated 6/13/2007 7:15:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
4567@... writes:

As for donating to a museum, my guess is that you would probably have
to give the museum the right to do as they see fit with the collection
before they would accept it; therefore there is little guarantee that
it would remain in tact. Unless you have something exotic like the
Shempp or Vickers collections, they would rather have your money, and
most would more than likely just sell it off anyway.






Federal Law governs how tax exempts (most museums) handle and/or dispose of
donations/gifts. There is a two year waiting period (in most cases) before
items can be "de-assessioned" or dispersed, IF that is the wish of the
receiver. IF the donor directs specific actions, it may lessen the donations value
to the receiver.

Jim "workin' in the Keystone backshop" Lyle
Group: S-Trains Message: 44415 From: roy inman Date: 6/13/2007
Subject: Re: S-Trains Collection Disposal
At Union Station Kansas City, the donor calls the shots.

I can cite the example of the HO collection donated by an individual who
decorated engines and rolling stock to represent the 12 railroads that ran
through the station and, AND he even numbered the engines for specific ones
that visited the station on a particular day. Part of the deal was that the
station would build a suitable display, which they did, and which the donors
monitored the construction of.

In another earlier instance, the founder of FAO Swartz, whose name I can't
call at the moment, donated before the station reopened in 1999, several
sets of MTH Premier engines and passenger cars. The stipulation was that the
trains would only be displayed, not run. They remain on permanent, prominent
display behind a glass enclosure in the hallway leading to the Amtrak
waiting room. Tens of thousands of visitors a year have the opportunity to
see this stunning example of the golden age of railroading.

At the six museums I have worked with there have been a variety of
arrangements: outright gift, permanent loan, temporary loan for a specified
period of time, etc., etc. But in every case the museum collections staff
worked closely with the donor to come to a mutual agreement. In every
instance, all the wishes of the donor were written down and the various
parties signed off on the document. A gift of artifacts to a museum is
essentially similar to a monetary gift: many times the donor's name
accompanies the display, again, at the wishes of the donor. All over Union
Station, the Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art, the Kemper Museum of Art,
etc.,etc., are plaques honoring the donor of the gift, or whomever the
donor designates. Most monetary gifts come with specific instructions for
their use. If I give
$20,000,000 to MOMA for a new wing they better darn well put my name on it!

In addition, an accredited museum must follow rather strict guidelines in
disposing of artifacts.

Small museums run strictly by volunteers and not following accepted
guidelines for handling and disposing of artifacts, I would not recommend.

Roy Inman

From: paflyrman <4567@...>
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 00:12:19 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: S-Trains Collection Disposal


As for donating to a museum, my guess is that you would probably have
to give the museum the right to do as they see fit with the collection
before they would accept it; therefore there is little guarantee that
it would remain in tact. Unless you have something exotic like the
Shempp or Vickers collections,they would rather have your money, and
most would more than likely just sell it off anyway.

paflyrman






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Group: S-Trains Message: 44416 From: Paul Yorke Date: 6/14/2007
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions - (Sensors)
I like this sensor.

Check out
http://www.geocities.com/erielackawanna76/ErieSignalCompany.html

How I used one...
http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/diagram/detective.html


There are also DIY solutions...
http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/diagram/trip.htm

Paul Yorke


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44417 From: John Degnan Date: 6/14/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Internet Hobbies and S
Just go to their main page and click on the HO-N-O-G category under the BROWSE header in the left column of the page (to the left of the submarine picture). Next, just click on the S SCALE MODEL TRAINS box just below the HO SCALE MODEL TRAINS box... the second box from the top n the left column... and there you have it.

Or, just click here : http://www.internethobbies.com/sscmotr.html


John Degnan
Scaler164@...
The burden of proof is not on the Believer, it is on the UNbeliever... for the Believer doesn't have hell to pay if wrong!

----- Original Message -----
From: roy inman
To: Mark Plank ; S-scale ; S-Trains
Sent: June 14, 2007 1:41 AM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Internet Hobbies and S


I went to:

http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?follow-pro=1&vwcatalog=interne
thobbies&catalog=internethobbies&query=s%20scale

Since it is so long you may have to copy both lines instead of just paste.
Don't know how this email will show up on your screen...

Initially I went to the internet hobbies web site and just did a search for
S and everything came up, including a bunch of structures, A-B units from
SHS, the Consolidated steamer, the extended vision caboose etc.

Roy Inman

From: Mark Plank <tandocrr@...>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:42:35 -0500
To: roy inman <rinphoto@...>, S-scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>,
S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Internet Hobbies and S


Roy,

What all did you find in stock at Internet Hobbies? I checked all the S
scale categories at
<http://h1073036.hobbyshopnow.com/products/categories.asp?tag=dir> and the
only item I saw was under S Scale: S Accessories and was a laser cut picnic
table.

I'm always looking for new sources, and am hoping you went into the site a
different way than I did.

Mark Plank

> ----- Original Message -----
>
> Just noticed that Internet Hobbies now is offering some S items at discount
> prices. Not that it will lure me away from our usual suppliers, but at least
> the wide audience of IH is a plus for the scale.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44418 From: roy inman Date: 6/14/2007
Subject: Re: collection disposal
Robert, I have had similar thoughts, especially since a health problem of
some 18 months ago. It got me to thinking so little by little as I was
recuperating, I went through the collection and put down what I paid for
stuff. I still have some to inventory. I later found out that in order to
have it all covered under insurance I needed a separate plan because my
homeowners had a cap, even though things were "scheduled" as the insurance
people referred to it.

A loathsome task it is, I tell you. But at the outcome, which is finally not
too far away, I think it will be worthwhile.

Roy Inman

From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:30:53 -0400
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] collection disposal


This is a good topic to banter about...... While I know trains pretty well I
have been thinking about what would happen to all my JUNK if something goes
wrong...... The other day I was looking into my Wifes Jewelry box..... There
are beads, rings, pins, etc..... Only two I reconize because I paid for
them.... Her rings and a Broach set that I remember paying about 400.00
for....... This has got me to thinking..... If I was not careful I would
probely sell the whole pile for a few hundred.... simply due to lack of
knowledge! My trains in the hands of somebody else!!!!! 10.00 fOR THIS BLUE
PENN SALT TANK CAR!!!!! The kids would jump on it..... HOW ABOUT 15.00 FOR
BOTH!!!!!!!.... I think you guys and gals see what I am thinking....
Knowledge is the basis for fair selling..... I guess I need to find books on
Jewelry.... and as for HO being collectable..... A GILBERT TANK CAR JUST
SOLD ON EBAY FOR 2500.00.....I also remember back around 1984 I bo ught a
bunch of HO for a lady..... she wanted 300.00..... which I felt was more
than twicw what it was worth..... Several months later I took the stuff to a
show.... Stuck STUPID PRICES on them..... Like 25.00 a car..... People
swarmed over the pile..... sold 1000.00 and still had over 1/2 left......
You never know.......Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44419 From: roy inman Date: 6/14/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Internet Hobbies and S
I went to:

http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?follow-pro=1&vwcatalog=interne
thobbies&catalog=internethobbies&query=s%20scale

Since it is so long you may have to copy both lines instead of just paste.
Don't know how this email will show up on your screen...

Initially I went to the internet hobbies web site and just did a search for
S and everything came up, including a bunch of structures, A-B units from
SHS, the Consolidated steamer, the extended vision caboose etc.

Roy Inman

From: Mark Plank <tandocrr@...>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:42:35 -0500
To: roy inman <rinphoto@...>, S-scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>,
S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Internet Hobbies and S


Roy,

What all did you find in stock at Internet Hobbies? I checked all the S
scale categories at
<http://h1073036.hobbyshopnow.com/products/categories.asp?tag=dir> and the
only item I saw was under S Scale: S Accessories and was a laser cut picnic
table.

I'm always looking for new sources, and am hoping you went into the site a
different way than I did.

Mark Plank

> ----- Original Message -----
>
> Just noticed that Internet Hobbies now is offering some S items at discount
> prices. Not that it will lure me away from our usual suppliers, but at least
> the wide audience of IH is a plus for the scale.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44420 From: Roy Hoffman Date: 6/14/2007
Subject: Request for info and pictures
This is for the clubs. I'd like to feature some of the many club
layouts in Model Railroad News from time to time and the shows that
the clubs are setting up at. I would appreciate it if you could send
information about the shows and some good hi-res pictures of your
layouts so that the magazine can reproduce them. It's your chance to
be seen and recognized by 20,000 model railroaders. Thanks.

Roy Hoffman
Group: S-Trains Message: 44421 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 6/14/2007
Subject: Re: Big Boy
Re: Big Boy

One option that will be available in 3-rail O gauge by early fall is the new scale-sized detailed UP Big Boy being offered by Lionel. It will be available in four cab numbers and equipped with the new Legacy system. I have had the chance to view and operate a preproduction sample under Legacy TMCC2 control with RS5.0 and it is beautifully constructed and fabulous to operate. The sample I had in hand was accurately executed and superbly detailed for a die-cast model and would certainly pass muster as a display model. As an added twist, the tender is fitted with a coal bay with a (non-operating) feeder at its bottom apex. Your friend might consider displaying it on a roller base because seeing the valve gear operate and making the sounds function will be a hoot. The sound of the whistle when activated with the new slider style whistle control in Cab-2 is alone worth the price of admission (no hyperbole!). Speaking of the price of admission, it won't be cheap. "Street price" will be around $1500, but a new Legacy command base and Cab-2 is included. One can go on-line to Lionel.com and view back catalogs containing information on the engine.

A very nice UP BB was offered in O gauge by MTH in the past year, and it is worth considering, but the Lionel will have the latest 'oneupmanship' goodies.
 
Oh, if only something like this was available in S!

Bob Bubeck




GUYS:
A friend of mine would like to acquire a Big Boy. He'd like it to be in S or O. Doesn't even have to run as he just wants it for display. Any help out there?
Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff






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Group: S-Trains Message: 44422 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 6/14/2007
Subject: Re: Big Boy and Flyonel
Bob brought up a good "what if" with the new L Big Boy. Lionel now has two 8 wheel drive S loco frames. Maybe blitzing their on-line "suggestion box" and pointing this out to them could bring us an S Big Boy. Better remind them that there'll be a need for curves wider than 54" diameter-John Marganski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44423 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 6/14/2007
Subject: Re: Collection Disposal
I maintain an Excel spreadsheet for every item in my inventory all the
way back to the first set I got over 40 years ago. I have the
description, price I paid, seller information and notes concerning
needed repairs/rarity/etc for each item. This includes all my
locomotives, rolling stock, vehicles, buildings, accessories, track,
switches, etc etc. I also keep the latest price guides and my wife
knows how to use them and eBay to obtain up-to-date sale prices. So
if I should get hit by the proverbial truck my wife will know exactly
what I paid and have a good estimate of the current value for
everything train related. The good thing is it's easy to keep updated
and adding new items is quick and simple! It will also be useful if I
should ever have any insurance claims to deal with. This is
definitely overkill but to make sure a computer crash doesn't lose my
inventory I have it backed up on both home and office computers.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 44424 From: Roy Hoffman Date: 6/14/2007
Subject: Re: Request for info and pictures
Some folks are having problems getting through the Earthlink spam
blocker. I also, have a yahoo address that will work OK:
royhoffman@...

Roy

-- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Hoffman" <hoffmanroy@...> wrote:
>
> This is for the clubs. I'd like to feature some of the many club
> layouts in Model Railroad News from time to time and the shows that
> the clubs are setting up at. I would appreciate it if you could send
> information about the shows and some good hi-res pictures of your
> layouts so that the magazine can reproduce them. It's your chance to
> be seen and recognized by 20,000 model railroaders. Thanks.
>
> Roy Hoffman
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44425 From: Peter Henningsen Date: 6/14/2007
Subject: change email address to amerflyerwanted@optonline.net
Hi everyone , please change my email address to amerflyerwanted@...

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44426 From: Roy Hoffman Date: 6/14/2007
Subject: Re: Request for info and pictures
For those having trouble with the earthlink spam blocker, I also have
an email address on yahoo that should work OK:

royhoffman@...

Roy


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Hoffman" <hoffmanroy@...> wrote:
>
> Some folks are having problems getting through the Earthlink spam
> blocker. I also, have a yahoo address that will work OK:
> royhoffman@...
>
> Roy
>
> -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Hoffman" <hoffmanroy@> wrote:
> >
> > This is for the clubs. I'd like to feature some of the many club
> > layouts in Model Railroad News from time to time and the shows that
> > the clubs are setting up at. I would appreciate it if you could send
> > information about the shows and some good hi-res pictures of your
> > layouts so that the magazine can reproduce them. It's your chance to
> > be seen and recognized by 20,000 model railroaders. Thanks.
> >
> > Roy Hoffman
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44427 From: flyer_af Date: 6/15/2007
Subject: NYC Boxcar 24065 junker needed.
Hi all.... the no. 24065 AF NYC jade green boxcar that I got for
Christmas in 1960 lost a door somewhere along the way in the last 46
years. Does anybody out there have a junker 24065 with at least one
good door that they would be willing to part with for not too much
money?
Thanks,
Larry Harmon
Group: S-Trains Message: 44428 From: Mark Preman Date: 6/15/2007
Subject: Different Stuph For Sale
I posted more Gilbert/S stupf for sale (and more to come) on the ODDS&ENDS page at
http://www.americanflyertrains.com
Mark


Mark B. Preman
AmericanFlyerTrains.com

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44429 From: Steve McGuire Date: 6/15/2007
Subject: Help finding a bell, please?
Guys,

I build 1:64 (S Scale) fire trucks for a hobby, and I'm looking for a
suitably sized bell to place on the front bumpers of some of the
models, in the fashion that some fire departments do with their best
rigs.

Does anyone know of a source for miniature cast bells? The full scale
diameter would be 8" to 10." I tried Walthers, but there are literally
thousands of search results when you inlude all of the possible
disambiguations. If anyone has a quick hit, I would appreciate it.

Thanks,
Steve
Group: S-Trains Message: 44430 From: ER Date: 6/15/2007
Subject: Warning - S Gauge Stuff Discounted and for sale - Warning
3 engines for sale in my thinning of extra stuff.



#1. An American models U25B in Burlington Red/Gray colors. High Rail DC
but I still have the reverse unit and can change it back to AC. Has the
knuckles. This is like new in the box. These are $209 in AC or $189 in DC.
Plus shipping. I will sell it to you at $165 in DC, (I'll include the
Reverse unit) $175 with the reverse unit reinstalled. SHIPPING INCLUDED
TO USA.



#2 Lionel American Flyer Mikado in Union Pacific colors. This is new in
Box. I paid $550 plus shipping for it. I was going to rip out the
electronics to make it run on DC but just don't have the willingness to do
it. So here is your chance to own one of these for $525. SHIPPING
INCLUDED TO USA.



#3. American Models 4-8-4 northern in Milwaukee colors. This is the scale
version with Kadee couplers in DC. New in the box. It need a larger radii
on the track than I have (or flangeless center drive wheels). These new
are $369 plus shipping. Here is one for you for $320 SHIPPING INCLUDED TO
USA.



Buy all 3 for $975..





Thanks for looking, Items sold as is, Paypal, Cashiers checks, and Money
orders work. If there is no response in a few days its off to Ebay.



Eric Reis

Kenmore, Wa.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44431 From: Bill Lane Date: 6/16/2007
Subject: Pennsy S Models Update
Hi All,

It has been a while since I sent an update on the Pennsy S Models brass car
projects. I painted another 12 X29 yesterday. They are all the freight
versions with flat ends. They will be off to the decaler today. We are
hoping to deliver some cars at the NASG convention in a month.

The artwork is done for the Shadow Keystone, Merchandise Service X29, Circle
and Shadow Keystone G26 schemes. It is off to Microscale awaiting a
production date for the decals.

We still have a few freight versions, mostly the 1932 dreadnaught end cars
left. The REA cars are sold out. I am not sure if we have a B&O left, but it
would be 1 or 2 at most.

Contact info@... or see the website if you want a car. Yes,
believe it or not the end of this project is in sight.

Thank You,
Bill Lane

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44432 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 6/16/2007
Subject: New for S, advert
Hi Gang,
We finally have updated pics of the painted photo models #801 and #802.
Now all we have to do is make the box art and complete the instructions
and they will start shipping. Just a few more days. I posted pics in
the photo section and on our web site. Here is a link
http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/s-scalekits.htm
Have a great Father's Day week-end,
Keith Blanchard
http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 44433 From: Carl Date: 6/18/2007
Subject: AF Challenger
Looking in the files section at the great job of putting together the
wonderful Challenger out of two Hudsons, brought back a memory. In
1991 my wife and I were able to attend the Railfair in Sacramento. We
were able to ride the doubleheader consisting of the Challenger and
the Northern 844 from Sac. to Portola CA. (we lived in Reno then). I
was a great weekend ending with a very memorable ride. Good day to
all. CJ
Group: S-Trains Message: 44434 From: Tim Brown Date: 6/18/2007
Subject: Re: AF Challenger
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Carl" <frazer51@...> wrote:
>
> Looking in the files section at the great job of putting together the
> wonderful Challenger out of two Hudsons, brought back a memory.

Yes it did and thank you for the re-visit! Very inspiring!!!!

Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44435 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/19/2007
Subject: Train Question
Heres a real teaser for you Guys and Gals...... I know flyer made two complete sets 4619 and 4620 sets.... One had the Log loader and one had the Coal loader packed in the set...... I have both of these in the OB's..... But some where it strikes my mind that another set was put out with a MAGNETIC CRANE in it the same way.... Any ideas as to a set number or the contents or where I can find one????? Bob RCON7

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44436 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/19/2007
Subject: Re: Train Question
I have..... can't find it.... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed
To: 'ROBERT ALLEN CONNER'
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 10:34 AM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Train Question


Hi Bob;

Easy one. Get your Tufts book out and look for the crane number in the accessories column.

Ed



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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT ALLEN CONNER
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 6:58 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Train Question



Heres a real teaser for you Guys and Gals...... I know flyer made two complete sets 4619 and 4620 sets.... One had the Log loader and one had the Coal loader packed in the set...... I have both of these in the OB's..... But some where it strikes my mind that another set was put out with a MAGNETIC CRANE in it the same way.... Any ideas as to a set number or the contents or where I can find one????? Bob RCON7

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44437 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 6/19/2007
Subject: Re: Train Question
Al.... Thanks.... I know about that set but somewhere in my mind there was also another set..... 19 had the 312, 20 had the 322, ? had ?.... It probley would have been a A set.... IE 4619A, 4620A like my sets...... Loco 4 cars, track and accessory olny.... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Paolozzi
To: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train Question


Bob
The set was number 4622, 1946-47, A F Complete Railroad System. It included the 583,
magnetic crane and retailed for about $187.50 in 1946 and $159.50 in 47. It also included
the 577, whistling billboard two 579 single street lamps, two 580 double street lamps.the 589
passenger station, 585 tool shed, 750 trestle bridge, 581 girder bridge, 596 water tank, 586F
wayside station, 578 station figure set and 591 crossing gate set and all the required terminals
and trips.
Came with two train sets a 332 UP 4-8-4 passenger set and a 342 0-8-0 freight set;
Good luck finding one. Does anyone out there have one?
Al Paolozzi
----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 6:58 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Train Question


Heres a real teaser for you Guys and Gals...... I know flyer made two complete sets 4619 and 4620 sets.... One had the Log loader and one had the Coal loader packed in the set...... I have both of these in the OB's..... But some where it strikes my mind that another set was put out with a MAGNETIC CRANE in it the same way.... Any ideas as to a set number or the contents or where I can find one????? Bob RCON7

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44438 From: jim_marski Date: 6/19/2007
Subject: TCA National Convention- Denver
For those of you attending the TCA National in Denver, I'll be having a
series of tours of our train and Jeep collections on Wednesday the
27th. You'll need to sign up at registration. If you need more info,
email me at marski@... as i don't check the yahoo mail very often

Jim Marski
Group: S-Trains Message: 44439 From: afvair Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: TCA Convention and Flyer
Hello AF friends,

I will only be at the TCA convention one day, on friday. Will there be any American Flyer
tours that day?

Thanks,

Wayne in Kaysville
Group: S-Trains Message: 44440 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: TCA Convention & items for sale
If you any of you are coming to the TCA Convention this Sunday or Monday, and would like to visit an American Flyer lay-out during those two days , I would gladly show mine in Boulder. (15 min. from the convention hotel) If interested, please email me.

On another note, I have several items for sale which I will offer to this group prior to going on Ebay. I have the following:

A.F. #752 Coal Loader (VG-)
A.F. #583 Electromagnet Crane (VG)
MTH #30-9105 Mel's Operating Drive in Diner-Exc.(w/orig. box)
MTH #30-9119 (#787) Log Loader-Exc.(w/orig. box)

Mike Leahy
Boulder, CO.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44441 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Very short review of SHS AF repro wheelsets
List;

Just thought I'd pass this along, fwiw.

I have a couple AFG locos converted to DCC. (Northern and Hudson). I
have a couple cranky sections of track where they like to experience
drop outs.

My plan was to rewire the trucks for dual pickup, so I experimented
with some SHS AF reproduction wheelsets, since they have metal wheels
both sides, one side mated to the axle, other side insulated from the
axle. (the "power pickup" option). I was going to install in the
stock truck, and fab a pickup to the insulated side to get pick up
from both rails for each truck, improving pick up reliability over
switches and other weird areas I have.

Turns out, don't need to, the repro wheelsets seem to have better
conductivity, and it's not just because they are clean. Maybe it's
due to the old old AFG wheels loosing conductivity between the steel
axle and the brass wheel over the years, I dunno. But anyway,
replaced the wheels on both tenders and the locos are driving over
the difficult areas they used to drop out on with no trouble.

And, if I decide to go ahead and add the pickup later, I'm all set.

So, IMHO, this wheelset is a solid product, fits right in to the
standard AF trucks, looks great, spins, picks up power, and at a
reasonable price.

Cheers
Phil D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44442 From: Tim Brown Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Re: Very short review of SHS AF repro wheelsets
Hi Phil,

Thanks for sharing your experience with the SHS repro wheelsets. I
always thought they wouldn't work in vintage sintered sideframes
because the SHS wheelsets have a needle point on the end of the axel as
compared to the ACG wheelsets having a very blunt axel end. Were your
loci the sintered sideframe ones or the sheet-metal ones (later or
earlier)? I had considered replacing all ACG wheelsets on all my
freight cars with SHS wheelsets but dismissed the idea as undoable.
Now I'm thinking I better do an experiment like that to be sure. I was
also thinking of cutting off the huge truck-mounted knuckle couplers
and replacing with Kadee #802 couplers, mounted to the chassis. Have
you tried that?

Keep up the good work!

Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44443 From: Dennis Back Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Printing on water-slide decals ?
I'm picking up some matt water transfer decal paper
from my local train/hobby store this week.

I was wondering, how does one print white lettering?
I don't think my inkject printer has white in it.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Dennis



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44444 From: Tim Brown Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Re: Scale vs. HiRail
Hi,

I just saw your question posted and didn't see any replies, although
maybe they went straight to you. The term "scale" is a relative term.
Back in the day, "scale" meant true scale, in every measurable way.
Now-a-days it still does, but the concept of what measure up to true
scale has evolved with our technology. IMHO, there also needs to be an
evolution of terminology. I propose the following: the term "scale"
should be eliminated and replaced with the term "fine scale" to mean
the very highest standard achievable of true scale; the term "high-
rail" or "high-scale" should be used to denote that which is pretty
much true to scale, except the wheel flanges and axels are large and it
requires a code 125 or higher track to run on; lastly, the
term "vintage" should mean post WWII tinplate toy trains, which were
once decried as "scale". Does that make any sense?

Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44445 From: Tim Brown Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Re: Printing on water-slide decals ?
Hi,

One doesn't. Sorry. THE only way is to box it with a colored
background that matches your paint job in some way and good luck with
that. I have even tried scanning the rolling stock to sample the
color, then using a pet application to copy the color into a
background box - all with mediocre results, at best. Otherwise, try
printing out your decal master onto white paper, then photocopying
it, using a color photocopy machine, onto waterslide decal paper. I
have even meticulously cut out white letters from paper, using an
exacto knife and gluing them onto the car for pretty good results.
Dismiss peel 'n press letters, as they are too thick. Catch this
one. I have even printed out "billboard-type" decals on white paper
and wrapped them around tank cars so that the whole car is covered
with a paper decal, between the ribs, such as wall paper on a wall!
A top-coat of liquid acrylic floor wax then seals the whole thing.
The fact that you have asked this question suggests that you are very
advanced in what you are doing. Remember this, the French developed
a way to make PAPER MACHE look like fine China plates. Also, the
ancient canvass painters embraced the concept that that which can be
perceived by the eye can be duplicated by the hand. So, keep
experimenting and post your successes for us all to learn from!

Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44446 From: Phil K Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Re: Printing on water-slide decals ?
The type of ink jet printer that had a white ink cartridge is no
longer on the market.

However, you can now buy white decal paper that will show up as white
in any drop-out areas of the art.

Phil K

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--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Back <backden@...> wrote:
>
> I'm picking up some matt water transfer decal paper
> from my local train/hobby store this week.
>
> I was wondering, how does one print white lettering?
> I don't think my inkject printer has white in it.
>
> Any advice would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Dennis
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44447 From: Tim Brown Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Re: Printing on water-slide decals ?
Hi Phil,

With all due respect, the result is too thick and looks hokey. I have
tried that concept. The results are mediocre, at best on most
applications; although there might be a niche for that concept on
certain, select roadnames. I also don't like those type of "decals"
that are nothing more than stickers - for the same reason. Wish it
weren't so, tho! Remember, for a decal to look "right", it must look
painted on. Even with the best quality decals on the market, there is
still an art to making it look painted on. Bottom line; if it looks
like a decal, it ain't right.

Thanks,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44448 From: Dennis Back Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Re: Printing on water-slide decals ?
--- Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote:
> you can now buy white decal paper that will
> show up as white
> in any drop-out areas of the art.

Phil and all,

Ok....I'm better with computers than I am with art.
;-)

So with this white decal paper, I can, let's say, make
it so only the letters of "NYC" or "Silver Meteor"
will come out WHITE and everything else (background)
will be CLEAR, then soak it and slide it onto my
train?

Yes? And, if so, this is called "white decal paper?"


Thanks,
Dennis



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44449 From: Tim Brown Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Re: Printing on water-slide decals ?
Hi,

Good luck with that technique. If you win an award, let us all know!
I don't mean to sound sarcastic or to flame, but it just won't happen
for you that way to the end of pro results. Been there, done that - to
site an old cliche. Keep trying tho and post some high-res, detailed
pics!

Thanks,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44450 From: keefer1_us Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: bounced message
Tried to post ,said i wasn't a member.What's the deal? Keith
Group: S-Trains Message: 44451 From: Phil K Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Re: Printing on water-slide decals ?
Tim's right. Nothing will EVER look as good as paint. One of these
days I plan to buy my own pad printer and see how that works out.

Go here for a tutorial on both kinds of decal paper:

http://www.mcgpaper.com/modeldecals.html



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Back <backden@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote:
> > you can now buy white decal paper that will
> > show up as white
> > in any drop-out areas of the art.
>
> Phil and all,
>
> Ok....I'm better with computers than I am with art.
> ;-)
>
> So with this white decal paper, I can, let's say, make
> it so only the letters of "NYC" or "Silver Meteor"
> will come out WHITE and everything else (background)
> will be CLEAR, then soak it and slide it onto my
> train?
>
> Yes? And, if so, this is called "white decal paper?"
>
>
> Thanks,
> Dennis
>
>
>
>
______________________________________________________________________
______________
> Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your
story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
> http://sims.yahoo.com/
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44452 From: keefer1 Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Printing on water-slide decals ?
--- keefer1 <keefer1_us@...> wrote:

> Or you can try one of these. My neighbor has one,
> and
> is frequently in need of my air nailers,so his
printer has become community property. It works
> great and there seems to be plenty of supplies still
> available.
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ALPS-MD-1000-dry-ink-sublimation-computer-printer_W0QQitemZ160129013104QQihZ006QQcategoryZ1461QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Group: S-Trains Message: 44453 From: Donald Thompson Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Re: Very short review of SHS AF repro wheelsets
Dear Tim,
The 00967 and 00979 AF replacement axles do not have pointed axles,
but a full radius. We felt this was better than the flat rough ends we
have seen on Classic A.C. Gilbert axles.
Best,
Don
PS 00967 double insulated axles are currently on back order.

Tim Brown wrote:

> Hi Phil,
>
> Thanks for sharing your experience with the SHS repro wheelsets. I
> always thought they wouldn't work in vintage sintered sideframes
> because the SHS wheelsets have a needle point on the end of the axel as
> compared to the ACG wheelsets having a very blunt axel end. Were your
> loci the sintered sideframe ones or the sheet-metal ones (later or
> earlier)? I had considered replacing all ACG wheelsets on all my
> freight cars with SHS wheelsets but dismissed the idea as undoable.
> Now I'm thinking I better do an experiment like that to be sure. I was
> also thinking of cutting off the huge truck-mounted knuckle couplers
> and replacing with Kadee #802 couplers, mounted to the chassis. Have
> you tried that?
>
> Keep up the good work!
>
> Tim Brown
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44454 From: Donald Thompson Date: 6/20/2007
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant Commercialism - Switches back in stock
Last week I picked up our latest shipment of switches from the
container freight station. I believe all of the backorders and
replacements have been shipped and should have arrived by now. If we
missed anyone, please let me know.
We now have all our track items in stock. It has been a while since
I could make that claim.
Best regards,
Don
Group: S-Trains Message: 44455 From: Stan Stokrocki Date: 6/21/2007
Subject: Re: Printing on water-slide decals ?
>I was wondering, how does one print white lettering?

http://www.pulsarprofx.com/DecalPRO/Vertical/2_EXAMPLES/2c_Customer_Photos/
Trains/Small_Scale/Layout.html
Group: S-Trains Message: 44456 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 6/21/2007
Subject: couplers
<Tim asks: "I was also thinking of cutting off the huge truck-mounted
knuckle couplers and replacing with Kadee #802 <couplers, mounted to the
chassis. Have you tried that?"



Hi Tim and All,

Yes I have, though I would suggest using the Kadee #5 rather than the #802.
If for no other reason then cost. The last time I checked the #802 was more
then 3X the cost of the #5. The #802 also gives you a very toy like coupler
spacing between cars - like when you replace links with knuckles - the space
between the cars is just too wide. There are many variations of the #5 (#41
thru #49) which will allow you to accommodate any situation you might find
(Tim, for example, the front coupler on the K5 I sent you a picture of, is a
#49).

And contrary to the urban legend, you don't need to modify the trip pin (the
wire that hangs down) to achieve remote uncoupling. You just need to use
the #308 under the track magnet rather then the between the rails model,
#321.

The #802 is a 0 scale narrow gauge coupler over sized for S scale, while the
#5 is an over sized H0 coupler, making it perfect for S scale.

Hope this helps,

Tom Stoltz

Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork
Maine S Gaugers
NASG

www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44457 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 6/21/2007
Subject: Re: Scale vs. Hi-Rail
I propose the following: the term "scale"
should be eliminated and replaced with the term "fine scale" to mean
the very highest standard achievable of true scale; the term "high-
rail" or "high-scale" should be used to denote that which is pretty
much true to scale, except the wheel flanges and axels are large and it
requires a code 125 or higher track to run on; lastly, the
term "vintage" should mean post WWII tinplate toy trains, which were
once decried as "scale". Does that make any sense?

Tim Brown



Tim,

Check the archives. while you were away, this topic went on almost as much
as the 'universal turnout' of recent thread. No one can agree and it goes
round and round.

I come pretty close to agreeing with you. I too feel there should be a
general definition so the 'new-comers' won't have to go through the
confusion of what is tinplate, Hi-rail or scale.

As Brooks Stover said on the scale list and it has been pointed out many
times on this list; going by our current definitions, most H0 modelers are
really 'Hi-rail' and yet we tend to think of H0 as a scale medium.

H0 has its fine scale, Proto 87, as S has its Proto 64. You can't run p87
on mainstream H0 anymore than mainstream H0 will run on P87 - as is similar
to S (except for turnouts of course).

So, I do agree the S-scale list type of modeler is really fine scale while
Hi-rail (code 125 thru 148 rail) should be considered 'near' scale or just
scale. Your vintage I would call tinplate because it would include anything
using Flyer radii (code 172 and larger rail) and/or switches (especially
closing frog designs) and then Flyonel still makes rolling stock, which is
current rather than vintage.

I'm ready for the flames (because I'm leaving the computer to make
turnouts),

Tom Stoltz

Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork

Revolutionizing S gauge,

One turnout at a time

www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44458 From: lumglum Date: 6/21/2007
Subject: Looking for Smoke fuild
Hi All,
Do you know where I can find J T Mega Smoke fuild?
Thanks,
George
Group: S-Trains Message: 44459 From: Donald Thompson Date: 6/21/2007
Subject: Re: Looking for Smoke fuild
Dear George,
We stock the cedar, it is $5 per bottle plus S/H
Best,
Don

lumglum wrote:

> Hi All,
> Do you know where I can find J T Mega Smoke fuild?
> Thanks,
> George
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44460 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 6/21/2007
Subject: Re: Scale vs. Hi-Rail
I often questioned why Post War Gilbert
is now refered to as "Tin Plate".
From 1900 to 1940 most trains
(engines and cars) were stamped
tin. Marx with it's lithographed
bodies was the height of
tin plate. Gilbert from the
beginning had a good cast
metal engine but into the
50s some tenders could be
considered "Tin Plate".
Most of my trains are cast metal
or plastic even up to AM
and SHS today. Are these
"Tin Plate" if they aren't
run on code 125 or code 148
track? I think not. Let's stop
joining the S-Scale group
in shutting out the hi-rail/
A.C. Gilbert operators.

Proto 64
Scale
Hi-Rail
American Flyer collectors

Suits me.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Stoltz
To: Timboy@...
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 3:35 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Scale vs. Hi-Rail


I propose the following: the term "scale"
should be eliminated and replaced with the term "fine scale" to mean
the very highest standard achievable of true scale; the term "high-
rail" or "high-scale" should be used to denote that which is pretty
much true to scale, except the wheel flanges and axels are large and it
requires a code 125 or higher track to run on; lastly, the
term "vintage" should mean post WWII tinplate toy trains, which were
once decried as "scale". Does that make any sense?

Tim Brown

Tim,

Check the archives. while you were away, this topic went on almost as much
as the 'universal turnout' of recent thread. No one can agree and it goes
round and round.

I come pretty close to agreeing with you. I too feel there should be a
general definition so the 'new-comers' won't have to go through the
confusion of what is tinplate, Hi-rail or scale.

As Brooks Stover said on the scale list and it has been pointed out many
times on this list; going by our current definitions, most H0 modelers are
really 'Hi-rail' and yet we tend to think of H0 as a scale medium.

H0 has its fine scale, Proto 87, as S has its Proto 64. You can't run p87
on mainstream H0 anymore than mainstream H0 will run on P87 - as is similar
to S (except for turnouts of course).

So, I do agree the S-scale list type of modeler is really fine scale while
Hi-rail (code 125 thru 148 rail) should be considered 'near' scale or just
scale. Your vintage I would call tinplate because it would include anything
using Flyer radii (code 172 and larger rail) and/or switches (especially
closing frog designs) and then Flyonel still makes rolling stock, which is
current rather than vintage.

I'm ready for the flames (because I'm leaving the computer to make
turnouts),

Tom Stoltz

Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork

Revolutionizing S gauge,

One turnout at a time

www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44461 From: Tim Brown Date: 6/21/2007
Subject: Re: couplers
> Hi Tim and All,
>
> Yes I have, though I would suggest using the Kadee #5 rather than
the #802.
> If for no other reason then cost. The last time I checked the #802
was more
> then 3X the cost of the #5. The #802 also gives you a very toy
like coupler
> spacing between cars - like when you replace links with knuckles -
the space
> between the cars is just too wide. There are many variations of
the #5 (#41
> thru #49) which will allow you to accommodate any situation you
might find
> (Tim, for example, the front coupler on the K5 I sent you a picture
of, is a
> #49).
>
> And contrary to the urban legend, you don't need to modify the trip
pin (the
> wire that hangs down) to achieve remote uncoupling. You just need
to use
> the #308 under the track magnet rather then the between the rails
model,
> #321.
>
> The #802 is a 0 scale narrow gauge coupler over sized for S scale,
while the
> #5 is an over sized H0 coupler, making it perfect for S scale.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Tom Stoltz
>
> Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork
> Maine S Gaugers
> NASG
>
> www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/>
>
Don of SHS;

Can you chime in on this one? I think the world of your S gauge
products. You are a credit to our gauge and we should highly support
you because you merit it - not because you try hard - but because you
merit it, IMHO. Now that I have sucked up, let me ask you; why do
you recommend Kadee #802 couplers for "fine scale" work? I figure,
you ought to know what goes best with your products in our
controversial world of S gauge.

Thanks,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44462 From: Tim Date: 6/21/2007
Subject: Re: Scale vs. Hi-Rail
Hi Glenn,

Regarding why we call "tinplate" tinplate. I figure; it's tradition, more than anything.

Let us all embrace the "high-railers" or "high-scalers" or anyone else who wants to "infest" our List for the good of the cause. I have my tongue firmly placed...

Best regards to anyone who promotes our passion,

Tim Brown

----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Ritter
To: Timboy@... ; Thomas Stoltz
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: Scale vs. Hi-Rail


I often questioned why Post War Gilbert
is now refered to as "Tin Plate".
From 1900 to 1940 most trains
(engines and cars) were stamped
tin. Marx with it's lithographed
bodies was the height of
tin plate. Gilbert from the
beginning had a good cast
metal engine but into the
50s some tenders could be
considered "Tin Plate".
Most of my trains are cast metal
or plastic even up to AM
and SHS today. Are these
"Tin Plate" if they aren't
run on code 125 or code 148
track? I think not. Let's stop
joining the S-Scale group
in shutting out the hi-rail/
A.C. Gilbert operators.

Proto 64
Scale
Hi-Rail
American Flyer collectors

Suits me.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Stoltz
To: Timboy@...
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 3:35 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Scale vs. Hi-Rail


I propose the following: the term "scale"
should be eliminated and replaced with the term "fine scale" to mean
the very highest standard achievable of true scale; the term "high-
rail" or "high-scale" should be used to denote that which is pretty
much true to scale, except the wheel flanges and axels are large and it
requires a code 125 or higher track to run on; lastly, the
term "vintage" should mean post WWII tinplate toy trains, which were
once decried as "scale". Does that make any sense?

Tim Brown

Tim,

Check the archives. while you were away, this topic went on almost as much
as the 'universal turnout' of recent thread. No one can agree and it goes
round and round.

I come pretty close to agreeing with you. I too feel there should be a
general definition so the 'new-comers' won't have to go through the
confusion of what is tinplate, Hi-rail or scale.

As Brooks Stover said on the scale list and it has been pointed out many
times on this list; going by our current definitions, most H0 modelers are
really 'Hi-rail' and yet we tend to think of H0 as a scale medium.

H0 has its fine scale, Proto 87, as S has its Proto 64. You can't run p87
on mainstream H0 anymore than mainstream H0 will run on P87 - as is similar
to S (except for turnouts of course).

So, I do agree the S-scale list type of modeler is really fine scale while
Hi-rail (code 125 thru 148 rail) should be considered 'near' scale or just
scale. Your vintage I would call tinplate because it would include anything
using Flyer radii (code 172 and larger rail) and/or switches (especially
closing frog designs) and then Flyonel still makes rolling stock, which is
current rather than vintage.

I'm ready for the flames (because I'm leaving the computer to make
turnouts),

Tom Stoltz

Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork

Revolutionizing S gauge,

One turnout at a time

www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44463 From: Scott Holm Date: 6/21/2007
Subject: Re: Printing on water-slide decals ?
The printer that can do this is an ALPS. They don't sell these any more but you can get them on Ebay. Do a search on Google for research. Some models can't do white unless you trick the printer by modifying the bar code on the cartridge.



Stan Stokrocki <sscale@...> wrote:
>I was wondering, how does one print white lettering?

http://www.pulsarprofx.com/DecalPRO/Vertical/2_EXAMPLES/2c_Customer_Photos/
Trains/Small_Scale/Layout.html





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44464 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 6/21/2007
Subject: (no subject)
Hello AF friends,

I will only be at the TCA convention one day, on Friday. Will there be
any American Flyer
tours that day?

Thanks,

Wayne in Kaysville

YES: Wayne, Tour 16C. Terry Johnson's warehouse has a large
AF layout + Display cases of collectable AF + large full scenic-ed,
scale "O" + an operating Premium standard and wide gauge layout.
This tour also includes two other layouts, a 58' x 24' "O" and a full
scenic-ed
"G" garden railroad.
I will be operating the AF from 6pm to 9pm on Friday.
Don't miss this one.

Jerry 77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 44465 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 6/21/2007
Subject: Fw: !!HOTEL ROOMS AVAILABLE AT THE WESTIN CONVENTION HOTEL!!
Subject: !!HOTEL ROOMS AVAILABLE AT THE WESTIN CONVENTION HOTEL!!

Because some members are unable to attend the TCA Convention, we have
some room
vacancies at the Convention Westin Hotel. If you are not staying at the
Westin
Hotel, and would like to change to the Westin, this is what needs to be
done:
Confirm that you can cancel your existing reservation if you have
one.
Email Dannie Martin dannieaz@... with the following information:
Name, address, and telephone number
date of arrival and date of departure
any special needs
OR
Telephone Dannie Martin 520-360-0519 (PDST):
Same information as above

Thank you, and your immediate response is requested.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44466 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 6/22/2007
Subject: Scale vs. Hi-Rail
Scale vs. Hi-Rail, tin plate, scale, or what ever. Beauty is in the eye
of the beholder. I have, JUST a ( toy ?? ) train layout, includes all,
any thing that runs on any number of different tracks,Full scenic-ed,
three rail, two rail ,scale, high rail code 100 code 125, curves much
tighter than prototype with no spiral transition. Gauge and scale is a
subject that can go on forever.
Have fun any way YOU like.
Jerry 77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 44467 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 6/22/2007
Subject: Items for sale
I sent a list this past week of items I was going to place on ebay if no one was interested. If interested, I can email you pictures. Here are the prices requested:


#583 Crane $140 plus $15 shipping (vg)

#752 Seaboard Coaler $175.00 plus $20.00 shipping (vg-)

30-9105 MTH Mel's Operating Diner plus original box & shipping carton $175 plus $20 shipping (counter display item)

30-9119 MTH Log Loader (787) plus original box plus shipping carton $140 plus $15 shipping

Let me know as soon as possible whether you are interested in purchasing any of these items. I have had numerous inquiries.


Mike Leahy
1315 Lodge Ln.
Boulder, CO. 80303
Group: S-Trains Message: 44468 From: Stan S. Date: 6/22/2007
Subject: Re: Printing on water-slide decals ?
> Stan Stokrocki <sscale@...> wrote:
> >I was wondering, how does one print white lettering?
>
> http://www.pulsarprofx.com/DecalPRO/Vertical/2_EXAMPLES/2c_Customer_Ph
> otos/ Trains/Small_Scale/Layout.html
>
Actually, I was replying to the question with the above link. The Pulsar system is
apparently the only currently manufactured means of doing white on a limited basis.
There's been a recent discussion of its limitations on the S-Scale group.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44469 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 6/23/2007
Subject: Re: Scale vs. Hi-Rail
Hi Glenn,

You are quite right, I use tinplate to say the style is original or period
or vintage or toy - stuff with the Flyer name on it.

For me, the track is the defining element. I use 148 and SHS flex, which
makes me Hi-rail. When someone brings a piece of brass over to run, my
layout doesn't magically become scale.

If someone uses Flyer switches (or any of the closing frog toy train
turnouts) and/or radius, that defines the intent of their layout. The same
would be true of a code 100 (or whatever) layout - the intent is scale or
perhaps more correctly, fine scale.

I agree with you about some on the S-scale list, but most of us there are
really Hi-railers (by their definition) and if we realize the ones doing the
complaining are fine scale modelers, that might helps us take them with a
very large grain of salt - maybe the whole shaker. Get this - today they
are talking about the Flyonel Mikado!!!

Tom Stoltz

Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork
Maine S Gaugers
NASG

www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/>









_____

From: Glenn Ritter [mailto:gartrain404@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:19 PM
To: Timboy@...; Thomas Stoltz
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Scale vs. Hi-Rail



I often questioned why Post War Gilbert

is now refered to as "Tin Plate".

From 1900 to 1940 most trains

(engines and cars) were stamped

tin. Marx with it's lithographed

bodies was the height of

tin plate. Gilbert from the

beginning had a good cast

metal engine but into the

50s some tenders could be

considered "Tin Plate".

Most of my trains are cast metal

or plastic even up to AM

and SHS today. Are these

"Tin Plate" if they aren't

run on code 125 or code 148

track? I think not. Let's stop

joining the S-Scale group

in shutting out the hi-rail/

A.C. Gilbert operators.



Proto 64

Scale

Hi-Rail

American Flyer collectors



Suits me.



Glenn





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44470 From: Chris Date: 6/23/2007
Subject: Re: Scale vs. Hi-Rail
Because of the way trains have been manufactured, this debate has
been built into the model railroading hobby like the debate over
West Bank lands.

Earlier last century, there was no real debate. Either you
purchased toys made of painted (later lithographed) steel and cast
iron which ran on tin-plated steel track, or you built accurate
scale models of railroad equipment yourself. The two could never be
confused. Toys looked like toys. They were foreshortened, detailed
only as far as needed to identify them, and ran too fast. Their
couplers, wheels, trucks (if they had any)and the scale they ran in
were all out of proportion to their size. They have become the
beloved large trains of this hobby's past and they brought model
railroading out into the public marketplace. In the 1940's, their
smaller descendants caught fire and started selling to a wide
market. An electric train set became the number one selling toy,
Christmas after Christmas, and had a good twenty years of "legs";
more than Hula-Hoops, Tickle-Me Elmo, Cabbage Patch Kids, even more
than Barbie. Without manufactured toy trains, the model railroading
hobby would have remained strictly for the dedicated hobbiest, like
fine boat-building or fly-tying.

Today's fine scale model railroader owes a debt of gratitude to
Lionel, Gilbert, Marx, Ives, Tyco, and all the other companies who
made it economically feasible to manufacture fine scale parts
because they started so many new hobbiests down the path. How many
Proto 64 guys can say they never played with Flyer or Lionel or some
similar toy trains as a youngter? Is that not where your current
infection got started; lying on the floor squinting at a train
racing around a loop under a decorated spruce? If this hobby had
several thousand aficionados worldwide, then you would hear from
somebody who knew somebody that a guy in Kansas is planning to cast
some Hudson boiler parts in S, and if you write to him he can make a
set for you. But our hobby has millions of fans and established
companies call them "customers" and make stuff you can find in
catalogues. When the items can be used "cross-platform", a computer
term for something that is compatible with several systems,
manufacturers can make even more of them, knowing their customer
base includes a variety of users. Thus, the "high-railer" who buys
scale like equipment ready to run with Flyer compatible wheels and
couplers supports the "fine-scaler" who uses the same equipment but
buys it unpainted, sans wheels and couplers and finishes and details
it himself.

Therefore, we exist as we do today, a melting pot of types, but all
in the same boat. No one can afford to look down at anyone else
because we all keep the hobby alive. I always wondered about the
fine-scaler who modeled one day, a single date, on his railroad.
Every operating session would recount the events of that day on the
prototype line. I also marvelled at his opposite: the Flyer fan who
would run a Gilbert only (no Lionel Flyer for him) layout with all
Gilbert accessories. Now, amongst our very group, one of our most
prominent list contributors runs only Flyer AND models a single date
in history! Amazing.

Call all the types of modeling and running and collecting we do by
any name that pleases you. I just ask you this: please never make
your labels pejorative. No matter what type of purist you have
become, understand that we all came from the same railroading womb
and we are all brethren (with a few sisteren!) and we all need each
other to survive.

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 44471 From: lember2004 Date: 6/23/2007
Subject: Follow-up to request for 1950 AF Farm set instructions
A couple of weeks ago I asked if anyone had access to a copy of the
instructions for the cardboard cutouts that came with the 1950 AF Farm
set.
One member sent me a digital file of the instructions from the
Greenberg reproduction.
Another went way beyond the call of duty to remove an original from a
display case, make a high quality copy and send it to me! Just what I
was after.
I am very appreciative of the help the members of this list are
willing to provide.
Mark
Group: S-Trains Message: 44472 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 6/23/2007
Subject: Re: Scale vs. Hi-Rail
Hi Chris,

You are so right on.
I went to Google and
entered Tinplate trains.
The end result is that every
manufactured train up
to today is considered
tinplate and there are
tinplate clubs to support
every scale or guage.

So unless we have a total
scratch built layout and
equipment the world looks
at us as Tinplaters. Even
tinplated engines and cars
exist not just track.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 10:50 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Scale vs. Hi-Rail


Because of the way trains have been manufactured, this debate has
been built into the model railroading hobby like the debate over
West Bank lands.

Earlier last century, there was no real debate. Either you
purchased toys made of painted (later lithographed) steel and cast
iron which ran on tin-plated steel track, or you built accurate
scale models of railroad equipment yourself. The two could never be
confused. Toys looked like toys. They were foreshortened, detailed
only as far as needed to identify them, and ran too fast. Their
couplers, wheels, trucks (if they had any)and the scale they ran in
were all out of proportion to their size. They have become the
beloved large trains of this hobby's past and they brought model
railroading out into the public marketplace. In the 1940's, their
smaller descendants caught fire and started selling to a wide
market. An electric train set became the number one selling toy,
Christmas after Christmas, and had a good twenty years of "legs";
more than Hula-Hoops, Tickle-Me Elmo, Cabbage Patch Kids, even more
than Barbie. Without manufactured toy trains, the model railroading
hobby would have remained strictly for the dedicated hobbiest, like
fine boat-building or fly-tying.

Today's fine scale model railroader owes a debt of gratitude to
Lionel, Gilbert, Marx, Ives, Tyco, and all the other companies who
made it economically feasible to manufacture fine scale parts
because they started so many new hobbiests down the path. How many
Proto 64 guys can say they never played with Flyer or Lionel or some
similar toy trains as a youngter? Is that not where your current
infection got started; lying on the floor squinting at a train
racing around a loop under a decorated spruce? If this hobby had
several thousand aficionados worldwide, then you would hear from
somebody who knew somebody that a guy in Kansas is planning to cast
some Hudson boiler parts in S, and if you write to him he can make a
set for you. But our hobby has millions of fans and established
companies call them "customers" and make stuff you can find in
catalogues. When the items can be used "cross-platform", a computer
term for something that is compatible with several systems,
manufacturers can make even more of them, knowing their customer
base includes a variety of users. Thus, the "high-railer" who buys
scale like equipment ready to run with Flyer compatible wheels and
couplers supports the "fine-scaler" who uses the same equipment but
buys it unpainted, sans wheels and couplers and finishes and details
it himself.

Therefore, we exist as we do today, a melting pot of types, but all
in the same boat. No one can afford to look down at anyone else
because we all keep the hobby alive. I always wondered about the
fine-scaler who modeled one day, a single date, on his railroad.
Every operating session would recount the events of that day on the
prototype line. I also marvelled at his opposite: the Flyer fan who
would run a Gilbert only (no Lionel Flyer for him) layout with all
Gilbert accessories. Now, amongst our very group, one of our most
prominent list contributors runs only Flyer AND models a single date
in history! Amazing.

Call all the types of modeling and running and collecting we do by
any name that pleases you. I just ask you this: please never make
your labels pejorative. No matter what type of purist you have
become, understand that we all came from the same railroading womb
and we are all brethren (with a few sisteren!) and we all need each
other to survive.

Chris Zizzo





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44473 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 6/24/2007
Subject: Re;Scale vs. High-rail
Yep, the debate goes on, and on, and on.....
Now I'm just a dumb old guy from Appalachia who's been at this train
stuff for too many years. However, here's my $0.02 worth...
Toy: Made to be played with, follows the real thing loosely.
Tinplate: It's made of tin, thin sheet metal.(Usually "Toy")
High-rail: It uses Flyer compatable wheels, so the rail is "high",
like code 125. Gray area between Toy and Scale, a little of both.
Scale: It is 100% accurate to size for the real thing including
wheels, couplers, etc.
Gee...it seems pretty simple to figure out. But then, I'm a simple
guy.
Stumpy Stone...Hi-railing in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44474 From: John Degnan Date: 6/24/2007
Subject: Re: Re;Scale vs. High-rail
Stumpy, if ya don't mind me making a small amendment to your input below...

Scale : As close as you're gonna get to 100% accurate size without going PROTO:64.
P:64 : Dead-on, 100% accurate, "EXACT" scale.

I'm in agreement with the rest.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...
Does "Out of sight, out of mind" mean "Blind and crazy"???

----- Original Message -----
From: Stumpy Stone
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: June 24, 2007 7:34 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re;Scale vs. High-rail


Yep, the debate goes on, and on, and on.....
Now I'm just a dumb old guy from Appalachia who's been at this train
stuff for too many years. However, here's my $0.02 worth...
Toy: Made to be played with, follows the real thing loosely.
Tinplate: It's made of tin, thin sheet metal.(Usually "Toy")
High-rail: It uses Flyer compatable wheels, so the rail is "high",
like code 125. Gray area between Toy and Scale, a little of both.
Scale: It is 100% accurate to size for the real thing including
wheels, couplers, etc.
Gee...it seems pretty simple to figure out. But then, I'm a simple
guy.
Stumpy Stone...Hi-railing in Appalachia.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44475 From: Alan Evans Date: 6/24/2007
Subject: ACL A-B Units (B w/sound) for Sale
List,



American Models A-B ACL (satin finish - only finish AM offered
in ACL, the cars are chrome finish), AC Hi Rail with B-unit sound. Test run
only



AC Hi Rail B unit chassis with sound, no shell. Test run only.
(for FB-7)



Contact me off list.



- Alan Evans

o Gahanna, OH

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44476 From: Bill Lane Date: 6/26/2007
Subject: Kadee 802 couplers
Hi All,

Using the Kadee #802 couplers was a major reason for me switching to S from
HO. I HATED the #5 couplers! Once I was in S, the majority of my early
running was on S Mod modules with "less then perfect" track. The 802 is
larger and therefore more forgiving when going over imperfect track. We now
have the additional SHS coupler for those who don’t like the slack action of
the 802.

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
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Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26
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(Trading is MUCH preferred)
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44477 From: keefer1 Date: 6/26/2007
Subject: STUMPY
Please contact me offlist. Keith


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44478 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 6/27/2007
Subject: Color Match for AM Passenger Cars - Pullman Green - Need Help
I am trying to match the Pullman green paint on the American Models passenger
cars. Being lazy, I tried spray cans.

-- --

I tried Scalecoat II Pullman Green. It came out too dark, almost black. I
received a color chart with my order and it looks really dark too, but not
nearly as black as the spray paint I used.

-- --

I also tried Floquil Pullman Green. It does not look bad, though it is
lighter (more gray?) than the AM passenger cars.

-- --

The Floquil Pullman Green would be my choice among the two and possibly the
paint will darken a little bit with one of the weathering sprays? Can anyone
recommend such a spray?

-- --

Has anyone mixed their paints to get a close match? If yes can you share
your paint formula with me ?

-- --

At one time I had a note as to the paint that AM uses, but I cannot find it.
It was either Floquil or Scalecoat. But I was told that consumers like me
would not be able to obtain the commercial grade paint that AM uses.

-- --

Thanks for any help on this topic.
-- --
- Earl Henry, Nashville

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44479 From: Robert Graves Date: 6/27/2007
Subject: Bridges & Trestles join The Gilbert Gallery
Bridges & Trestles are now on The Gilbert Gallery website:

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/accessories_bridges.html

I still need pictures of the following; if you have one, I sure would appreciate a picture!!! Please make it at least 800 pixels wide and clearly focused. The best, of course, is if it is on your fabulous layout.

748 gray/aluminum-painted sheet metal Overhead Foot Bridge
753 Single Trestle Bridge with rotating beacon
754 Double Trestle Bridge of aluminum sheet metal with rotating beacon
754 Double Trestle Bridge of gray-painted sheet metal with rotating beacon
754 Double Trestle Bridge of gray-painted sheet metal with non-rotating red warning light
1-1024A Trestle Set, comprising #747 cardboard Trestle figure 8 set, 2 #700 straight track,
and 8 #702 curved track
26428 Accessory Pack with #748 Overhead Foot Bridge and eight sections of curved track
26781 set of 24 graduated black trestles
26783 set of 12 orange or black Hi-Trestles
26790 set of 26 graduated black plastic trestles

Thank you very much.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44480 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 6/27/2007
Subject: Floquil Diosol
I've got a -for me, anyway-important Q today-now that Testors is making the Floquil RR colors, has the formula been changed? I'm all out of DIOSOL and need to know if "Floquil Enamel Thinner" (as it is currently labeled) and the paints themselves are Diosol-John Marganski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44481 From: boblines51 Date: 6/27/2007
Subject: cars for the 24566 flat
Does anyone know where I can get some of the small cars that go on the
24566 flat.I have 4 of the flat cars with the car hauler but none of
the small cars for on the truck. Thanks Bob Persing
Group: S-Trains Message: 44482 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 6/27/2007
Subject: Finally!
Finally, after a year and a half of waiting for the Lionel Reproduction of the American Flyer Animated track gang, delayed due to production, it came today! O:)!

In case anyone is looking for one at a real price, I got this one at Island Trains in NJ for $71 plus 7 for shipping.

Looking forward to having that on the layout soon.

Well, off to Altoona and Pittsburgh for baseball and other excitement. We will stop at the Horseshoe Curve visitor center.

I received a website with a ton of wonderful pictures on Pittsburgh from Jerry Matsick and Tom Bianculli and the pictures are unbelievable in quality. They really show the city as a modern town now. Really looking forward to this trip.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44483 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 6/28/2007
Subject: SnS Trains vacation
SnS will be closed from June 29 to July 9th. We can't answer any emails or
phone calls until then. The Mountains of the Salmon River don't have any
services. Except fishing, camping, etc. etc......

Steve
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44484 From: Tim Brown Date: 6/28/2007
Subject: Hand-laid Track
Hi Guys,

I have uploaded two pics of a short section of track I am working
on. It's in the Tim Brown folder and is the last two pics. I
stripped off the metal ties from some crapped-out ACG track,
soldiered the rails together, spray-painted them flat black and am in
the process of hand-laying them back down. I choose over-sized S
scale lumber for the ties so they would look right against the code
155 rails after I discovered that strict scale ties looked weird. To
help in the process, I easily made what I call "gauge blocks". They
are nothing more than several pieces of pine of various lengths with
two parallel saw cuts that precisly match some ACG straight track.
It's a very simple matter to set the gauge of the rails with the
blocks, then move the blocks laterally to bend the rails and spike
them down with HO spikes. First, I glued down some cork roadbed,
spray painted it grey and then glued down the ties. The tie spacing
is roughly a tie-width apart. I actually tried to not make them
perfect because real RR ties aren't perfect. I stained them with
ebony stain before I glued them down. Then I glued down sifted
canary grit over top of the roadbed. That's a home-made "Flyer-
style" #8 turnout in the foreground. I have to put a Blue Point
throw under the table and wire the frog with the DPDT switch provided
by Blue Point. So far, so good, but it is a tedious process! Oh
well, I'm retired and can take as long as I want to compete the whole
layout this way. I'm redoing part of my track plan in preparation
for converting to DCC, so I can experiment with a more prototypical
operation of my toy trains.

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44485 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 6/28/2007
Subject: Re: cars for the 24566 flat
Bob,

I searched for individual cars for a couple of years and they are
difficult to find. I searched a lot of model railroad shows and did
not find anything. I posted to this and other Yahoo groups looking
for 24566 Allied cars but had no success that way although I did find
a tractor/trailer that way. I found one trailer with 3 cars as part
of a large lot of HO vehicles being auctioned on eBay. Someone else
won the auction so I contacted them and asked about the Allied trailer
and 3 cars. It ends up he didn't want them so I bought them from him
for $15 plus $5 shipping - a real bargain. I still needed several
more cars and continued searching eBay. Occassionally there is a
seller that lists these cars one at a time. He typically has all five
colors and the different body styles. I bought enough individual cars
from him to now have three complete sets for my 24566 flat cars. So
based on my over two year search I recommend checking eBay once a week
and searching for "24566". This will show up any listings for bits
and pieces of the 24566 set. If you have lots of patience then you
can search for HO cars or 1/64 cars or allied cars, etc and scour the
listings - you might get lucky and find some in a mixed lot and catch
a bargain like I did.

Good luck!

BG1


> Does anyone know where I can get some of the small cars that go on
the
> 24566 flat.I have 4 of the flat cars with the car hauler but none of
> the small cars for on the truck. Thanks Bob Persing
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44486 From: G C Date: 6/28/2007
Subject: Floquil Diosol
Diosol (I believe that I have all of this correct, but it may not be gospel) was as the name implies a mixture of two different solvents - Xylene (ol) and toluene(ol). Xylene for sure is quite a carcinogenic solvent. I worked for years in pathology labs and we discontinued using it years ago for that reason.

When Testors bought out Floquil they ceased producing the original paint formula. I'm not all together sure what is in the new solvent, but I do know it is not the original formulation. Also, I believe that consequently the new paint can not be thinned with the old diosol thinner.

Hopes this helps,
Gene Cimino
Hanover, PA


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44487 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 6/28/2007
Subject: Scalecoat II Pullman Green - It looks like AM cars now that paint h
I need to retract my statement about the Scalecoat II Pullman green paint
from spray cans. I should have waited to let the paint dry before I asked for
help. The color, and the texture, look much more like the AM Pullman green cars
now that the paint has almost dried. .

I apologize for misleading anyone or wasting your time. I appreciate the
tips and suggestions from several in the group, with quite a variety of proposed
solutions.

- Earl Henry, Jr., Nashville



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44488 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 6/28/2007
Subject: Re: Floquil Diosol
I don't know about the new paints. I never use the stuff. I doubt the
new thinners will work with the original formula Floquil. Most are
waterbase now. We at Pine Canyon use the original floquil daily. You
can thin the origial with common lacquer thinner. We purchase ours
from a local Home Depot and even Wallmart by the quart or gallon. Its
very cheap. We use the Klean Strip brand that comes in a blue and
orange label. We use it to clean brushes, thin paints for use and
even use in the airbrush. Just mix 50-50 for air brush use. Also use
it to clean the airbrush. We have not used Diosol on over 30 years.
We don't sell paint, we just use it on our projects. Do not thin
original floquil with any thinner into the entire bottle of paint.
All thinners have a catylist in them and will cause the bottle of
paint to gell and harden. Just thin what you use at any given time.
Never pour thinned paint back into the bottle.
Hope this helps, probably more than you wanted to know,
Keith Blanchard
cruisingmain.com

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, john isn't eddie anymore
<druvnik@...> wrote:
>
> I've got a -for me, anyway-important Q today-now that Testors is
making the Floquil RR colors, has the formula been changed? I'm all
out of DIOSOL and need to know if "Floquil Enamel Thinner" (as it is
currently labeled) and the paints themselves are Diosol-John Marganski
Group: S-Trains Message: 44489 From: ER Date: 6/28/2007
Subject: FW: Warning - S Gauge Stuff Discounted and for sale - Warning
2 engines for sale in my thinning of extra stuff.



#1. An American models U25B in Burlington Red/Gray colors. AC power High
Rail unit, Has the knuckle Couplers. This is like new in the box. These
are $209 in AC. Plus shipping. I will sell it to you at $165 . SHIPPING
INCLUDED TO USA48.



#2 Lionel American Flyer Mikado in Union Pacific colors. This is NEW in
the Original BOX It is of corse AC powered with all the Lionel extras in
it. I paid $550 plus shipping for it. I was going to rip out the
electronics to make it run on DC but just don't have the willingness to do
it. So here is your chance to own one of these for $510. SHIPPING
INCLUDED TO USA48.



Buy both for $675.00 shipped to you in the USA48..





Thanks for looking, Items sold as is, Paypal, Cashiers checks, and Money
orders work. If there is no response in a few days its off to Ebay.



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Kenmore, Wa. 98028



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44490 From: G C Date: 6/29/2007
Subject: Re: Floquil Diosol
Thanks Kieth,

I will try your method myself

Gene


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44491 From: Dale Smith Date: 6/30/2007
Subject: Re: Hand-laid Track
Tim,

That is really great looking track, but it looks like a lot of work, but if you have the time, it is a great accomplishment. I will probably opt for the ready to lay, like American S or AM. Not sure which yet. I like the size of AM, but the nickel silver of the American S might be easier to maintain an also it would probably match Flyer switches better.

Dale Smith
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Brown
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 4:54 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Hand-laid Track


Hi Guys,

I have uploaded two pics of a short section of track I am working
on. It's in the Tim Brown folder and is the last two pics. I
stripped off the metal ties from some crapped-out ACG track, .....

.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44492 From: Tim Brown Date: 6/30/2007
Subject: Re: Hand-laid Track
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dale Smith" <dfsmith26@...> wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> That is really great looking track, but it looks like a lot of
work, but if you have the time, it is a great accomplishment. I will
probably opt for the ready to lay, like American S or AM. Not sure
which yet. I like the size of AM, but the nickel silver of the
American S might be easier to maintain an also it would probably
match Flyer switches better.
>
Hi Dale,

Normally, I would go that route as well, but I have a LOT of old ACG
track laying around that is now pretty much worthless due to it's
condition. I figure, why toss all that out and spend money on all
new when I don't have to. However, when I do come across some decent
straight pieces, I set them aside for later resale. I also have all
the time in the world to work at it and think it is a nice challenge
to see just how far I can take building something nice with old parts-
is-parts. I think I'm going to one-up myself and make the switches I
want by building them in place on the layout on top of cork roadbed
and basswood ties. The switches I have made work perfectly, but they
still look like the toy Flyer switches we are used to, even though
the throw on mine is about a 72" diameter. I believe I can do even
better with those old track rails and when I do, I'll post another
pic or two. Thanks for your comments!

Thanks again,

Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44493 From: lember2004 Date: 6/30/2007
Subject: York "versus" Fall S Fest
For folks who have been to both York and Fall S Fest, how would you
compare them in terms of items offered, activities, etc? I see that
for this year fall York and S-Fest are just a couple of weeks apart
and being on the west coast, its unlikely I'd make two trips in so
short a time. I've been to York before, but am wondering how it
compares to Fall S Fest. I am primarily interested in Gilbert era
AF. Thanks! Mark
Group: S-Trains Message: 44494 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 7/1/2007
Subject: TCA CONVENTION
The 1950 7' x 16' Factory layout built by Art Department Employees of
the A. C. Gilbert Co. Art Mauzaka and Frank Cattiglone was on display,
Courtesy of Charlie and Clay, Dave's Twacks & Trains, Raleigh, NC
610-248-0890.

A fabulous layout, Any one considering a layout should copy the design.
Dave's, I am sure can supply drawings.

The Lionel display was good, and Mike ( MTH ) had his Coors train on
display, it was unbelievable.

All who missed the convention, really missed a special treat. It was
fantastic.

Jerry HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 44495 From: Phil K Date: 7/1/2007
Subject: MTH and S
I have been hearing rumbles on other forums that Mike Wolf may be
getting his MTH ready to start producing items in S. As most of you
already know, MTH has already produced a few "swing" tinplate
accessories that can be used either with O or S.

If he does, it is a sure sign that S gauge truly is growing. However,
my personal feeling is that I would still patronize only the three
majors suppliers (L, SHS and AM) that have stuck with us all along
during the tough times. Where was MTH's contribution to S locomotives
and rolling stock all these years? If anything in S does come out of
MTH, it will be the work of the industry's biggest opportunist.

Sorry, but I will refuse to buy anything from an opportunist like
Mike Wolf, no matter how appealing. While I cannot agree with
everything Lionel has done, Wolf and his lawyers tried to ravage
Lionel with that huge lawsuit. Fortunately, the case and ridiculous
jury award in favor of MTH was overturned by the courts.

History demonstrates that MTH apparently sees litigation as one of
its biggest sources of revenue. Who is to say it would never -- upon
entering the S market -- file some sort of silly (but expensively
cost-prohibitive) suits against small manufacturers like SHS and AM,
in a strategy to force them from the market?

Any thoughts?

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 44496 From: Phil K Date: 7/1/2007
Subject: Sunday evening chat
From 7 PM to 9:30 PM ET

at:

http//s-scale.org/forum/

EVERYONE WELCOME!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44497 From: John Degnan Date: 7/1/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
Won't make much difference to me if MTH comes into or stays out of S... nor will it make a penny's worth of difference to MTH's pockets as far as having me as a supporter is concerned, because IMPO, most of what MTH produces (in other scales) is nothing better than total... ... JUNK... (just to be covil about it) that I wouldn't waste a penny on even if I were a Flyer fan (as opposed to a "SCALE" modeler).


John Degnan
Scaler164@...
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----- Original Message -----
From: Phil K
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: July 01, 2007 6:09 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] MTH and S


I have been hearing rumbles on other forums that Mike Wolf may be
getting his MTH ready to start producing items in S. As most of you
already know, MTH has already produced a few "swing" tinplate
accessories that can be used either with O or S.

If he does, it is a sure sign that S gauge truly is growing. However,
my personal feeling is that I would still patronize only the three
majors suppliers (L, SHS and AM) that have stuck with us all along
during the tough times. Where was MTH's contribution to S locomotives
and rolling stock all these years? If anything in S does come out of
MTH, it will be the work of the industry's biggest opportunist.

Sorry, but I will refuse to buy anything from an opportunist like
Mike Wolf, no matter how appealing. While I cannot agree with
everything Lionel has done, Wolf and his lawyers tried to ravage
Lionel with that huge lawsuit. Fortunately, the case and ridiculous
jury award in favor of MTH was overturned by the courts.

History demonstrates that MTH apparently sees litigation as one of
its biggest sources of revenue. Who is to say it would never -- upon
entering the S market -- file some sort of silly (but expensively
cost-prohibitive) suits against small manufacturers like SHS and AM,
in a strategy to force them from the market?

Any thoughts?

Phil K

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44498 From: roy inman Date: 7/1/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
John,

Please explain why you feel that way about MTH stuff. I mean the part about
it being junk. CTT thought that their version of the Southern Pacific
Daylight was the best ever produced in any scale, in brass, plastic or
case, at any price. For a few brief months I owned one, until circumstances
forced me to sell it. I experience Seller's Remorse to this day. But that
was just my experience.

Just curious (not challenging) what yours was to give them such a bad rap.

Roy Inman



From: John Degnan <Scaler164@...>
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 19:22:02 -0500
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Phil K <waldootten@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH and S


Won't make much difference to me if MTH comes into or stays out of S... nor
will it make a penny's worth of difference to MTH's pockets as far as having
me as a supporter is concerned, because IMPO, most of what MTH produces (in
other scales) is nothing better than total... ... JUNK... (just to be covil
about it) that I wouldn't waste a penny on even if I were a Flyer fan (as
opposed to a "SCALE" modeler).

John Degnan
Scaler164@... <mailto:Scaler164%40comcast.net>
The burden of proof is not on the Believer, it is on the UNbeliever... for
the Believer doesn't have hell to pay if wrong!



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44499 From: roy inman Date: 7/1/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
None of us can predict the future or else those who could would be
fabulously wealthy. So who can say what law suits might arise in the future?

I have no vested interest in MTH and in point of fact haven't bought any of
their products since the last Flyer-isk accessory. And I am not defending
Mike Wolf's actions.

However, if it weren't for the fact that MTH pushed the envelope in terms of
technology, detailing and variety of O gauge items offered, big L would
still be producing post WWII stuff and probably very little if any AF
equipment. Recall that L did not offer AF accessories in the variety that
they now do until MTH came out with AF clones. Seeing that those sold, and
apparently sold well, then and only then did Lionel jump on the bandwagon
with their promotion as the "Only TRUE American Flyer brand." Like they even
cared before.

IMHO, for all the ill will MTH has generated over the Lionel suit, seems to
me that the company is kind of like individual human beings: flawed but also
capable of greatness. Witness Mike Wolf's negotiation with the Union
Pacific, on behalf of all model train manufacturers, coming out with a more
reasonable licensening program for all. Not Lionel, Atlas, nor anyone else
seemed to be able to make this happen. Mike Wolf did.

So that some time SHS may even jump back into the fray and produce some
stuff in UP livery.

Cheers :)

Roy Inman

From: Phil K <waldootten@...>
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 23:09:17 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] MTH and S


History demonstrates that MTH apparently sees litigation as one of
its biggest sources of revenue. Who is to say it would never -- upon
entering the S market -- file some sort of silly (but expensively
cost-prohibitive) suits against small manufacturers like SHS and AM,
in a strategy to force them from the market?

Any thoughts?



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44500 From: Scott Freeman Date: 7/1/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
It would be nice if they come out with some new ideas and not just redo old American Flyer stuff like Lionel has done for so many years.

As for the lawsutes what about what Lionel did to
k-line. That ended the only company that was making fairly priced S-gauged equipment. If K-Line had the money Lionel did they could still be fighting lionel like lionel is fighting Mikes. If you look at it Lionel did the same thing to Mikes that K-Line did to Lionel. So if you think about it Mikes should be the last man standing.

Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote:
I have been hearing rumbles on other forums that Mike Wolf may be
getting his MTH ready to start producing items in S. As most of you
already know, MTH has already produced a few "swing" tinplate
accessories that can be used either with O or S.

If he does, it is a sure sign that S gauge truly is growing. However,
my personal feeling is that I would still patronize only the three
majors suppliers (L, SHS and AM) that have stuck with us all along
during the tough times. Where was MTH's contribution to S locomotives
and rolling stock all these years? If anything in S does come out of
MTH, it will be the work of the industry's biggest opportunist.

Sorry, but I will refuse to buy anything from an opportunist like
Mike Wolf, no matter how appealing. While I cannot agree with
everything Lionel has done, Wolf and his lawyers tried to ravage
Lionel with that huge lawsuit. Fortunately, the case and ridiculous
jury award in favor of MTH was overturned by the courts.

History demonstrates that MTH apparently sees litigation as one of
its biggest sources of revenue. Who is to say it would never -- upon
entering the S market -- file some sort of silly (but expensively
cost-prohibitive) suits against small manufacturers like SHS and AM,
in a strategy to force them from the market?

Any thoughts?

Phil K






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Group: S-Trains Message: 44501 From: John Degnan Date: 7/1/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
Every bit of their stuff that I've seen was highly inaccurate in every way from the paint to the details. If they have another line of stuff that is more accurate, I am unaware of it.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...

----- Original Message -----
From: roy inman
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: July 01, 2007 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH and S


John,

Please explain why you feel that way about MTH stuff. I mean the part about
it being junk. CTT thought that their version of the Southern Pacific
Daylight was the best ever produced in any scale, in brass, plastic or
case, at any price. For a few brief months I owned one, until circumstances
forced me to sell it. I experience Seller's Remorse to this day. But that
was just my experience.

Just curious (not challenging) what yours was to give them such a bad rap.

Roy Inman

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44502 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 7/1/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
Ladies and Gentlemen,

I see and talk to the folks from LIONEL and Mike Wolf every six months, same
time, same place. Mike knows my name and we carry on a relevant
conversation. The folks from LIONEL seem to recognize me because I save them parking
for their cars and they don't quite understand WHY I would ask a question about
their "S" gauge offerings. As a matter of fact, they could NOT differentiate
between their OWN "OO" products and their OWN H-O products. They were
mis-labeled in a display case for a year.

"Opportunistic" behavior was once a driving force behind this country, as we
strived (at one time) to be THE world leader in almost any field imaginable.


Jim Lyle



************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44503 From: Phil K Date: 7/1/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
> As for the lawsutes what about what Lionel did to
> k-line. That ended the only company that was making fairly priced
S-gauged equipment. If K-Line had the money Lionel did they could
still be fighting lionel like lionel is fighting Mikes. If you look
at it Lionel did the same thing to Mikes that K-Line did to Lionel.
So if you think about it Mikes should be the last man standing.
>

Actually, Scott, here are the basics, as I followed this lawsuit
and read all of the court transcripts:

For all the money MTH spent in suing Lionel, its case was built
around certain "experts" who testified on behalf of MTH. There was
no "hard" evidence, just a lot of hearsay and circumstantial evidence
tied to the "expert" witnesses. And in awarding the huge settlement
to MTH ($40.7 million) from both Lionel and Korea Brass, the jury
based its decision heavily on that "expert" testimony.

And then the court system continued to work as it should. In appeal,
Lionel's legal team proved the testimony of MTH's "expert witnesses"
was seriously flawed. Therefore, totally undependable. Ergo, the
decision was reversed and the damages reduced to relatively nothing.

In the case of Lionel vs. K-Line, K-Line was caught red-handed. There
was such overwhelming evidence to back up Lionel's charges, K-Line
decided to settle out of court. Even though K-Line was severely cash-
strapped at the time, it agreed to a $2 million settlement plus other
considerations to Lionel. But then within days it reversed itself and
declared bankruptcy instead, shutting down its operations. Lionel was
awarded by the court whatever K-Line assets remained -- no cash, just
some technology rights, patents and a small amount of inventory. At
the time it filed Chapter 11, K-Line was in debt to suppliers
up to its ears. Actual ownership (assets) first went to its largest
creditor, Chinese manufacturer Sanda Kan, which in turn sold the
assets to Lionel.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 44504 From: Phil K Date: 7/1/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
Jim --

I have nothing against opportunistic behavior in an effort to be the
best. I just have a problem when a company's attorneys are far more
active in generating profit than its production department.

Lionel's mis-labeling items in its display case has nothing to do
with this discussion, so why even bring it up unless your intent is
to demean Lionel?

You like Mike Wolf. I tend to see him for the bully he is.

Phil K

>In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote:
>
> Ladies and Gentlemen,
>
> I see and talk to the folks from LIONEL and Mike Wolf every six
months, same
> time, same place. Mike knows my name and we carry on a relevant
> conversation. The folks from LIONEL seem to recognize me because I
save them parking
> for their cars and they don't quite understand WHY I would ask a
question about
> their "S" gauge offerings. As a matter of fact, they could NOT
differentiate
> between their OWN "OO" products and their OWN H-O products. They
were
> mis-labeled in a display case for a year.
>
> "Opportunistic" behavior was once a driving force behind this
country, as we
> strived (at one time) to be THE world leader in almost any field
imaginable.
>
>
> Jim Lyle
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at
http://www.aol.com
>
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44505 From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build Date: 7/2/2007
Subject: NASG Citrus Shed
GUYS:
I've been notified by Joe Warren that he's about to make a new run of the original citrus shed kits. If you missed out the first time around, here's the contact information for you.

Showcase Miniatures, http://www.showcaseminiatures.com/ , joe@... , P.O. Box 753, Cherry Valley, CA 92223, 951-845-9914

Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44506 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 7/2/2007
Subject: FS - 343 diecast boiler shell
I have a diecast 343 boiler shell for sale. It has had paint removed to bare metal - nothing broken. Brass bell and whistle are present and tight. All 10 handrail stanchions and the handrails above cab windows are in-tact. Does not have smoke box front or valve gear). $30 postpaid and it's on its way to you.

Keep in touch!

Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@...
Sn42 and Hn42 river logging fan
Virginian Rwy fan
Bonsai grasshopper
Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44507 From: frank emiro Date: 7/2/2007
Subject: I like MIKE
If MTH makes S gage , I am all for it. His products are far better then the rest in "O". I just ran my new out ofthe box LTI China-Flyer C&NW Baldwin and it clunks on 54" curves. The electrical pick ups jam and hit the chassis on turns. All for $250.00 dollars. For $199.00 a SHS switcher engine operates 1,000 times better. My AM Northerens out run LTI steamers as well. MTH runs every engine through a testing at his company before shipping them. As for LTI, they did improve lots of older production items in the Flyer line, but most come through with lots of problems with few exceptions.
Mikes Proto sound is great an the extras he includes are great. I LIKE MIKE !




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44508 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 7/2/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
I have a different reason to stay away from S (or anything) from MTH. I think their products and service, well, stink. I have had a top of the line Tinplate traditions Std loco that shorted out new from the box. Sent it back. Got it back in under a week-and it still blew the breaker. Sent it back again-this time they got it right. Another Std gage engine-Blue Comet-had the chassis drop right out of it thr day I opened it. Complained about the poor design of the lamp sockets in a station, wanted them replaced, they said "No, they are the same pattern as the originals." Replaced 'em myself. Oh-and when you return an item to them, enclose a XEROX of the proof of purchase, as MTH will keep what you send them. Stopped buying their product 9yrs. ago and haven't looked back-John Marganski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44509 From: innotron Date: 7/2/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
Hello,
We can't afford to drive away anyone who is looking to create product in our beloved "S"scale. If it doesn't interest you, so what?. Perhaps someone else can't wait for that item to be produced. I don't understand why we have to bash our suppliers even before a product is offered. Isn't pitiful sales enough punishment? More choices are a good thing! I bought a MTH sawmill when I had the choice of it or a Flyinel remake. This was because it was a superior item as reviewed and because it supported another manufacturer in our scale. It works just fine. And by the way, when all the manufacturers were bowing to UP and setting a bad example for the industry by paying for the privilege of printing a road name, Mike stepped in and ended that whole crummy mess. I believe that we all owe him a grand thank you for that. I for one am willing to look at all my "S" scale options and selecting whichever ones appeal to me without slamming the door before it is opened. It benefits all of us to have more choices! The more choices we have the more people we will attract and the more people we have the more product we will attract. Let the good "S" times roll!
Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil K
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:38 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH and S


Jim --

I have nothing against opportunistic behavior in an effort to be the
best. I just have a problem when a company's attorneys are far more
active in generating profit than its production department.

Lionel's mis-labeling items in its display case has nothing to do
with this discussion, so why even bring it up unless your intent is
to demean Lionel?

You like Mike Wolf. I tend to see him for the bully he is.

Phil K

>In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote:
>
> Ladies and Gentlemen,
>
> I see and talk to the folks from LIONEL and Mike Wolf every six
months, same
> time, same place. Mike knows my name and we carry on a relevant
> conversation. The folks from LIONEL seem to recognize me because I
save them parking
> for their cars and they don't quite understand WHY I would ask a
question about
> their "S" gauge offerings. As a matter of fact, they could NOT
differentiate
> between their OWN "OO" products and their OWN H-O products. They
were
> mis-labeled in a display case for a year.
>
> "Opportunistic" behavior was once a driving force behind this
country, as we
> strived (at one time) to be THE world leader in almost any field
imaginable.
>
>
> Jim Lyle
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at
http://www.aol.com
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44510 From: roy inman Date: 7/2/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
John,

The one engine set that I personally owed was the aforementioned O scale
Daylight Premier. According to my more or less official Daylight book, and
from consulting the original engineering drawings and photographs in the
book, the MTH version was very nearly perfect in most respects. The length,
height and width of both the engine and tender were within 1/16" of the
prototype, paint was a dead match to my eye, most but not all of the piping
was in place and in most of the right places, even the slight bend in the
cab steps was at the correct angle. Cannot judge whether the whistle was the
same, but MTH claims it was taken from a recording of the prototype in
California. The cars that went with it were all I could find at the time and
were the incorrect fluted sides instead of the smooth sides, so I can't
comment on their accuracy to the prototype. The Weaver O scale brass version
was not nearly as close a match to the prototype as the MTH offering.

I hasten to add that this is but one example among thousands of MTH
products. The Daylight just happens to be the one I can comment on with at
least some authority.

From just a "windshield" glance, the Rail King products are way off the
mark, scale-wise. As I understand it, that line is designed to appeal to the
folks who recall with fondness their post-World War II Lionel equipment,
equally out of scale, and to those for whom price is the main object.

Roy Inman

From: John Degnan <Scaler164@...>
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 20:31:24 -0500
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, roy inman <rinphoto@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH and S


Every bit of their stuff that I've seen was highly inaccurate in every way
from the paint to the details. If they have another line of stuff that is
more accurate, I am unaware of it.

John Degnan
Scaler164@... <mailto:Scaler164%40comcast.net>

----- Original Message -----
From: roy inman
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: July 01, 2007 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH and S

John,

Please explain why you feel that way about MTH stuff. I mean the part about
it being junk. CTT thought that their version of the Southern Pacific
Daylight was the best ever produced in any scale, in brass, plastic or
case, at any price. For a few brief months I owned one, until circumstances
forced me to sell it. I experience Seller's Remorse to this day. But that
was just my experience.

Just curious (not challenging) what yours was to give them such a bad rap.

Roy Inman

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44511 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 7/2/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
I have some (limited) experience with MTH in O scale and it's all been good. In visiting with my local train shop owner, he now openly prefers MTH to Lionel for quality of workmanship and dependability -- and he's been running Lionel for almost 70 years!
K-line "S" gauge rolling stock were really O-27 car bodies on S gauge trucks. I only made the mistake of buying one for my Flyer layout. I do buy them once in awhile now, giving the body to my son for his O gauge set up and keeping the S gauge trucks. I prefer their trucks and couplers to the Flyonel.
I see more benefit than harm in having MTH join the S club.
Jim Ensign

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44512 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 7/2/2007
Subject: Mike Wolf & "S"
My involvement with the 2007 Denver TCA convention gave my a
chance to spend a little time with Mike wolf. Mike Wolf did impress me,
He seems passionate about model trains, he gets excited when he is
talking about MTH 's new products on line. When I questioned him about
S gauge, he smiled, & didn't say no. MTH had a HO locomotive on
display, it was really a good looking loco, lots of detail, beautifully
painted & equipped with DCS. I have Lionel TMCC it works fine, but
comparing TMCC to MTH 's DCS is like comparing IBM's disk operating
system to windows, with DCS's LCD display, just point and click.
The DCS system will also run TMCC. I do believe I will up grade .When I
stopped at the Lionel booth, I did get a new catalog and was able to look
around without interruptions.

As far as the law suits between MTH, Lionel, K-Line and
manufactures, I wasn't at the trial, only heard different stories, and
finger point. I do know that it was Mike Wolf who sued Union Pacific,
and in doing, so gave ALL ( including Lionel ) model train manufactures
the right to use their name with out paying royalties, which will save
all of us model Railroaders some money.

This weekend I opened up my Flyonel California zephyr set, tore
off the shrink wrap plastic cover, opened up my observation car box,
pulled the car out of the box and the rear truck & pickup wiped fell to
the floor, "Ho No" It's is out of Warranty. By the way did any one who
purchased the new Lionel track gang set get an extra air hose ( from the
compressor to the jack hammers ) , mine set only came with one hose.

All in All it was a very good convention if I say so my self'
Jerry HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 44513 From: William W. Hutton Date: 7/2/2007
Subject: York "versus" Fall S Fest
Comparing York to S-Fests



Let me start by saying I have attended one York(April 2007) and S-Fests
since 1998. My initial opinion of S-Fests was unbelievably positive because
of the breadth of S-Gauge items available. There were several parts
suppliers, including Doug Peck, new merchandise, usually S-Helper and
American Models and a large no of both large and small collectors and
dealers selling AC Gilbert items in various conditions from Excellent to
poor.



Having been to York this Spring my impression was that those dealers and
collectors selling American Flyer vintage items were extremely proud of
their inventory. On the other hand I found the dealers of new merchandise to
be most reasonable by and large. The vintage items were often dirty and
damaged, yet the prices sought were for what I consider mint items.
Obviously, York is huge compared to S-Fests in terms of total floor space.
In terms of S Gauge items I think you will probably find more at an S-Fest.
The one area S-Fest's can't compete with York is the number of manufacturers
present.



If I had my choice and only had one show to attend a year, my preference
would be the S-Fest. St. Louis puts on a great meet, friendly group and not
a bad drive from Kansas City.





Bill Hutton



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44514 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 7/2/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
In a message dated 7/1/2007 11:30:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
waldootten@... writes:

the time it filed Chapter 11, K-Line was in debt to suppliers
up to its ears. Actual ownership (assets) first went to its largest
creditor, Chinese manufacturer Sanda Kan, which in turn sold the
assets to Lionel.



Don't forget, Sanda Kan is owned by our own J P Morgan Chase and there is
speculation that since that happened, S-K will be forced by the BIG New York
money to work for the biggest bucks, as opposed to working for everyone in
rotation. Stay tuned--the BIG money in New York has caused many U S Businesses
to founder and fail in the last 20 years.

Jim Lyle
Group: S-Trains Message: 44515 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 7/2/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
In a message dated 7/1/2007 11:40:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
waldootten@... writes:

Lionel's mis-labeling items in its display case has nothing to do
with this discussion, so why even bring it up unless your intent is
to demean Lionel?




It has everything to do with this case--the original lawsuit was due to
LIONEL's sub-contractor STEALING MTH's propietary drawings (C-D's actually) of
new products in design. The new products were then built and sold by LIONEL,
without LIONEL EVER(?) being curious as to how they got to market so fast.
The LIONEL products matched the MTH drawings down to screw heads and sizes.
THAT was the crux of the issue. DID LIONEL know their product or were they
just surprised?????

K-Line and MTH forced LIONEL to make a better quality product than they had
for years, due to their (K-Line & MTH) "raising the bar" on quality and
innovation.

I've worked with ALL the major manufacturers products at one time or another
since 1995, LIONEL was the least helpful and responsive, once telling us "we
aren't in the parts business" as we tried to repair and run their trains on
display!!!!! MTH, K-Line, SHS all provided EXEMPLARY service during that
time period and MTH and SHS still do.

I am not a real fan of LIONEL, only because of the way they have treated the
hobby & hobbyist in the last years.

Jim Lyle
Group: S-Trains Message: 44516 From: Phil K Date: 7/2/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
ACTUALLY, Sanda Kan is owned by CCMP Capital Asia, LTD. While it was
formed by former principals of JPMorgan Chase, it is a separate
corporation whose focus markets are Australia, Greater China, Japan,
Korea and Singapore.

It is pure speculation -- guessing -- on your part that it consists of "BIG New York money that has caused many businesses to founder and fail". It may acquire companies through leveraged buyouts, but that's how business works and it is not illegal. By the way, Jim, is it not ironic that these "BIG New York" companies you have such a distaste for are the same "opportunists" you just defended in a previous post.

Phil K

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--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 7/1/2007 11:30:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> waldootten@... writes:
>
> the time it filed Chapter 11, K-Line was in debt to suppliers
> up to its ears. Actual ownership (assets) first went to its
largest
> creditor, Chinese manufacturer Sanda Kan, which in turn sold the
> assets to Lionel.
>
>
>
> Don't forget, Sanda Kan is owned by our own J P Morgan Chase and
there is
> speculation that since that happened, S-K will be forced by the BIG
New York
> money to work for the biggest bucks, as opposed to working for
everyone in
> rotation. Stay tuned--the BIG money in New York has caused many U
S Businesses
> to founder and fail in the last 20 years.
>
> Jim Lyle
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44517 From: roy inman Date: 7/2/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S-and others
John, et al;

I have had very similar problems with five model train manufacturers,
including MTH, but excluding only K-Line. I have few of their products but
not one has failed, knocking on the side of the temple here...don't know if
that was just the luck of the draw or an example of across the board better
quality control.

So in my experience, if I boycotted every manufacturer that has produced
products that gave me trouble, I would have very few contemporary trains,
and most would be K-Line, may they RIP.

I do not have any SG/WG trains by MTH, but a friend does. He occasionally
rants about how MTH insists on reproducing even the primitive mistakes made
by Lionel, AF, and Ives in their early attempts at producing those wonderful
large scale engines. Bear in mind also that much of that 1930-ish equipment
was downright unsafe: toxic wiring, sharp edges, etc., etc. And talk about
the paint jobs! Much of the older AF and Lionel equipment many of us cherish
would not stand a chance in today's marketplace, given the sometimes
downright amateurish finishing, decals and detailing of post-World War II
equipment. We hold things to a higher standard today and, as in our autos,
TV's, appliances, etc., we want it all: precise paint, perfect technology,
no errors in production.

Having said that, it seems to me that it isn't too much to ask for something
to at least RUN when we take it out of the box. Both of the 1949~1954
engines I received for Christmas ran like tops right out of the box, and the
one I still have does today. But you know what? If those engines were
offered to me in 2007, brand new, looking like they did back then, brand
new, I would not buy them. They are crude and just flat aren't up to my
current standards.

Cheers :)

Roy Inman

From: john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...>
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 05:24:47 -0700 (PDT)
To: S-Trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH and S


I have a different reason to stay away from S (or anything) from MTH. I
think their products and service, well, stink. I have had a top of the line
Tinplate traditions Std loco that shorted out new from the box. Sent it
back. Got it back in under a week-and it still blew the breaker. Sent it
back again-this time they got it right. Another Std gage engine-Blue
Comet-had the chassis drop right out of it thr day I opened it. Complained
about the poor design of the lamp sockets in a station, wanted them
replaced, they said "No, they are the same pattern as the originals."
Replaced 'em myself. Oh-and when you return an item to them, enclose a XEROX
of the proof of purchase, as MTH will keep what you send them. Stopped
buying their product 9yrs. ago and haven't looked back-John Marganski
Group: S-Trains Message: 44518 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: MTH and S
When it's all said and done, Mike Wolf or Lionel are probably not
the Saints or Sinners that some describe. Working at the hobby shop
for many years, I wouldn't trust either outfit!
The guys that own the place have known Wolf for years and have to
deal with the revolving door of Lionel people on a regular basis.
They tell me that you have to separate the BUSINESS of model trains
from the HOBBY of model trains. BOTH Lionel and MTH are predatory
when it comes to doing BUSINESS.
Here's an example of BUSINESS vs. HOBBY in O gauge;
As a HOBBYIST,my gripe with Lionel for years was that back in the
MPC era, they had to put no money into molds, dies, etc., and charged
collector prices for the same old stuff they had been making for years.
But the shop owners said it was the fault of the collectors that the
price was that high to start with, and then that they paid that much
for the "new" MPC stuff. That was just good BUSINESS on the part of
Lionel to take advantage of collector greed.
When it comes down to it, they're in BUSINESS. They both do things
we see as good or bad. All that is really important to MTH or Lionel
is how much of our money can they get! They're nobody's friend.
Opinion: Don't look for MTH to go S any time soon. Their HO K-4 is
tanking in a sea of over priced HO steam engines. We're a tiny market
compared to HO.
Stumpy Stone...playing with my AM, SHS, Putt, and old AF trains in
Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44519 From: John Degnan Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S-and others
----- Original Message -----
From: roy inman
To: S-Trains
Sent: July 02, 2007 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH and S-and others

John, et al;

So in my experience, if I boycotted every manufacturer that has produced
products that gave me trouble, I would have very few contemporary trains,
and most would be K-Line, may they RIP.

RE : I wouldn't go so far as to call it "boycotting"... more like selective purchasing (based entirely on quality which I tie closely to accuracy). But I've been "boycotting" Lionel and MTH ever since I was about 10 years old and it apparently hasn't hurt me or them, so... on with the show. :)

We hold things to a higher standard today and, as in our autos,
TV's, appliances, etc., we want it all: precise paint, perfect technology,
no errors in production.

RE : Well... again, I wouldn't go so far as to say "no errors" in production... I just require that a model at least com close to looking like something that actually ran on real rails... that the manufacturer appears to have at least TRIED to get it right in stead of just slopping something together to get another dollar. This is what Lionel and MTH have always done in my opinion. I do, however, understand that these companies were only trying to make TOYS for children when they started out, so I therefore don't expect to ever see anything realistic from either of them. But at the same time, because of that, neither should they expect to earn a dollar from me.

Having said that, it seems to me that it isn't too much to ask for something
to at least RUN when we take it out of the box.

RE : Yes... that is ALWAYS a good thing! :)

Both of the 1949~1954
engines I received for Christmas ran like tops right out of the box, and the
one I still have does today. But you know what? If those engines were
offered to me in 2007, brand new, looking like they did back then, brand
new, I would not buy them. They are crude and just flat aren't up to my
current standards.

RE : There you go.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...
The Southeastern Railway
www.sery.ironraildepot.org


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44520 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S-and others
I don't think of my avoiding MTH as a boycott-it's "self protect" mode. The engines that I had the problems with were MSRP $1,000 items, and built in shorts/unfastened guts is a serious flaw in product-and it's producer's quality control. Durn right the old timers run and keep running! Of the 4 electric trains I've had since a lad, TO THIS DAY they haven't quit-that's 57 years for two of them. I should have qualified the MTH product "stay away" is strictly power units-be it lights or locos. Their rolling stock is OK by any standard. I have had 1 problem engine with K-Line (miss them, too! ) out of 7. Lionel since 1995-a railsounds tender (that's 1 for 11) and Flyonel a railsounds B (1 out of 8). The overwhelming majority of used purchased from the Pre- and Post-war eras that I've gotten have been clean 'em, lube 'em, run 'em and forget 'em. They are mostly Gilbert Flyer, with Lionel, Chicago Flyer, Ives, and Marx (in descending order). Are there more QA problems with modern
trains? I don't know, but when I keep having major problems with one brand, I tend to think that the underlying cause is the QA in-house. We aren't talking aircraft engines-I do not expect a 100% inspect from toy train mfrs. But a $1,000 engine should have a tad of attention paid to it before it's boxed.-JMTCW-John Marganski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44521 From: Ljack70117@comcast.net Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S-and others
I love it. Ran like tops. Do you mean they went around in a
circle???????
8>)
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left




On Jul 3, 2007, at 7:17 AM, John Degnan wrote:

> Both of the 1949~1954
> engines I received for Christmas ran like tops right out of the
> box, and the
> one I still have does today. But you know what? If those engines were
> John Degnan
> Scaler164@...
> The Southeastern Railway
> www.sery.ironraildepot.org
Group: S-Trains Message: 44522 From: roy inman Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S-and others
Well, a crossover actually :)

Roy Inman

> From: ljack70117@...
> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 10:01:52 -0400
> To: John Degnan <Scaler164@...>
> Cc: S-Trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>, roy inman <rinphoto@...>
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH and S-and others
>
> I love it. Ran like tops. Do you mean they went around in a
> circle???????
> 8>)
> Thank you
> Larry Jackman
> Boca Raton FL
> ljack70117@...
> I was born with nothing and
> I have most of it left
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 3, 2007, at 7:17 AM, John Degnan wrote:
>
>> Both of the 1949~1954
>> engines I received for Christmas ran like tops right out of the
>> box, and the
>> one I still have does today. But you know what? If those engines were
>> John Degnan
>> Scaler164@...
>> The Southeastern Railway
>> www.sery.ironraildepot.org
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44523 From: Robert Graves Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: All Lionel Flyer items are now in The Gilbert Gallery
Last night I finished the accessories and the
remainder of the 2007 catalogs, so everything is now
in the Gallery. Most of the accessories, all of the
2007 items, and some of the 2005 & 2006 items have
only the pictures from the Lionel online catalog; if
you have any of these, (or see them somewhere!), I
would appreciate it if you could email me pictures of
the real thing. Thanks.

On the Gilbert side, all the cars and engines are
there and I'm working on accessories and sets.
Operating accessories, buildings & towers, bridges,
and people are all there, and I'm half way through the
landscape accessories. Last will be track,
transformers, bulbs, etc. The Pictures Needed page
lists items for which I still need pictures.

Finally, the For Sale page has been updated with some
nice cars and a 307. Make me an offer I can't
refuse!!!

Bob



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44524 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
I would be interested in buying S gauge items by MTH.
Both the sawmill and coal loader that he made were
excellent products--after replacing the slow pulley in
the latter.

Mike sued Lionel for the same reason Lionel sued
K-Line--they cheated!!! Unfortunately, Lionel has a
bigger stable of lawyers and Maury Klein's big mouth
(instead of accepting the earlier agreement with
Lionel he mouthed off that K-Line won the settlement,
so Lionel came back at him) resulted in Lionel getting
away scott free.

Mike does copy an awful loit, but he ia also an
innovator. He has produced many new items, especially
locomotives, that otherwise would not have made the
market.

And he is the only train manufacturer that looks to
the future of O gauge. all of his Premier locomotives
now come with a switch that allows them to run with
either 3-rail or 2-rail setups. Imagine, in the
future (at least with MTH) we no longer will be able
to bash O gauge with its ugly tubular, 3-rail track.

Joe

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44525 From: keefer1 Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: MTH VS LIONEL
Was the first lawsuit actually filed by Lionel
attempting to shut Mike's down? I believe this was in
the eraly 80's , the word "bully" was used a lot in
the press releases, the judge agreed with Mike, Lionel
was bullying him , and the outcome was in Mike's
favor.Isn't Lionel also the one that threatened many
with lawsuits over use of the American Flyer logo?
Lionel has always been, and I'm sure will continue to
be extremely anxious to get any of it's competition
into a court room. Just my opinion ,Keith



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44526 From: Andrew Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Flyonel Track Gang
I just took my Flyionel animated track gang out of the box for the
first time and hooked it up . Nothing , not even a buzz noise . Anybody
else have that problem with there's ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44528 From: Henry Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Re: MTH VS LIONEL
Regardless, I'll buy from neither. Both proudly display "Made in
China" or wherever in the bottom of their inventory. Me personally,
I'll stick with Pre-1970 Lionel, when it WAS Lionel Trains.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, keefer1 <keefer1_us@...> wrote:
> Was the first lawsuit actually filed by Lionel
> attempting to shut Mike's down? I believe this was in
> the eraly 80's , the word "bully" was used a lot in
> the press releases, the judge agreed with Mike, Lionel
> was bullying him , and the outcome was in Mike's
> favor.Isn't Lionel also the one that threatened many
> with lawsuits over use of the American Flyer logo?
> Lionel has always been, and I'm sure will continue to
> be extremely anxious to get any of it's competition
> into a court room. Just my opinion ,Keith
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44529 From: lember2004 Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: replies to York "versus" Fall S Fest
Thanks to the several folks who shared there opinion with me. Everyone
said that if, in effect, if they had to pick one it would be Fall S
Fest - because of the abundance of Gilbert era Flyer there and the
abundance of like minded S-gaugers. This was especially true if one
had experienced York at least once. So, I'll be headed to St. Louis
in November. Thanks for the input! Mark
Group: S-Trains Message: 44530 From: Phil K Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Just a reminder...
As long as it doesn't get out of hand, a little selling here of an item
or two between list members is OK.

That's an item or two.

But we avoid allowing posts promoting items list members are selling on
eBay. Since those items are being shopped outside the list, let those
who choose to shop on eBay go there and find them on their own.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 44531 From: Phil K Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
This sums it up perfectly, Stump. Bravo!

Re: MTH and Lionel:
> When it comes down to it, they're in BUSINESS. They both do things
> we see as good or bad. All that is really important to MTH or Lionel
> is how much of our money can they get! They're nobody's friend.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44532 From: keefer1 Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: no ebay links ??
Is this a new rule, people have linked their auctions
since I have been on this list, and I haven't seen any
discussion to ban it. I thought the rule according to
Paul has always been so long as "for sale" is in the
subject line, so those not interested could delete it. Keith
Group: S-Trains Message: 44533 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Track Gang
Maybe they're on their scheduled break! :)

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Andrew" <sgaugeandy@...>
I just took my Flyionel animated track gang out of the box for the
first time and hooked it up . Nothing , not even a buzz noise . Anybody
else have that problem with there's ?




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44534 From: Dennis Back Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Re: Just a reminder...
--- Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote:

> ....But we avoid allowing posts promoting items list
> members are selling on
> eBay.

Would be it be allowable to say, "I will be selling
some Flyer on ebay in the next few days and my ebay ID
is xxxxxxx?"

Just curious in the event I ever DO sell anything.

Dennis




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44535 From: Donald Thompson Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Re: MTH VS LIONEL
Dear Henry,
I am sure I am not the only curious one here. Where was you
computer made?
Best,
Don

Henry wrote:

> Regardless, I'll buy from neither. Both proudly display "Made in
> China"
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44536 From: Bill Lane Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: X29 for sale
Hi All,

With a week until the convention, Pennsy S Models will have a VERY limited
number of REA X29 and B&O M26b for sale as cash and carry at the convention.
These are absolutely the last of these cars we have left to sell. Please
reply ASAP to bill@... if you want a car reserved before we go
or for delivery at the convention. These are painted and lettered. Please
see http://www.pennsysmodels.com/index.html for more information.

See you in about a week.

Thank You,
Bill Lane

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44537 From: Dennis Back Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Track Gang
--- jimensign50@... wrote:

> Maybe they're on their scheduled break! :)

Hopefully, this malfunction is only an aberration.

I just might get one of these. Haven't bought
anything train related in YEARS.

I was seriously thinking of getting one of these
repros 5 or 6 year ago, and was even on a waiting list
and I PAID for it in advance!!! Forget how much, but
it was SEVERAL hundred plus. I **did** get my money
back though, after the waiting for delivery, but that
particular run of repros was never produced.

The price (under a hundred) is VERY tempting!!!

Dennis
Miami, FL



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44538 From: Tim Brown Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Re: no ebay links ??
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, keefer1 <keefer1_us@...> wrote:
>
> Is this a new rule, people have linked their auctions
> since I have been on this list, and I haven't seen any
> discussion to ban it. I thought the rule according to
> Paul has always been so long as "for sale" is in the
> subject line, so those not interested could delete it. Keith
>

Actually, "eBay" in the subject line is what my email blocker tracks
and it is my understanding of the intent of a "warning" to the List.
The use of "for sale" is also a valid "warning", but for a slightly
different reason. I also
think "collection", "York", "MTH", "chat", "Flyonel", "scale", "email
address", "sale", "Hess", "test", "off topic", "blatant" and "Sopranos"
should also be in subject lines to protect my eyes against attack. But
hey, I just now found my "delete" key! Maybe that is my best defense
against every thing that is offensive on this list! Oops. What's left?

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44539 From: roy inman Date: 7/3/2007
Subject: Re: MTH and S
Or to put it another way, the ONLY reason a business exists is to make a
profit. Unless it is a not-for-profit.

Roy Inman

From: Phil K <waldootten@...>
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:01:30 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH and S


This sums it up perfectly, Stump. Bravo!

Re: MTH and Lionel:
> When it comes down to it, they're in BUSINESS. They both do things
> we see as good or bad. All that is really important to MTH or Lionel
> is how much of our money can they get! They're nobody's friend.

__


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44540 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 7/4/2007
Subject: Track gang set
Andrew: did you turn the figure standing next to the compressor that is
the off and on switch
Jerry HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 44541 From: flyer_af Date: 7/4/2007
Subject: Restoration of set # 20615, the "Thunderbolt" set
Hi all,
I just thought I'd post and tell you all that I've completed the
restoration of the #20615 "Thunderbolt" set that I got for Christmas in
1960. I found a junker 24065 NYC boxcar to replace the missing door on
mine (bah, the junker had Pikemaster couplers- a junker from the
factory if you ask me). I found a pair of NOS Borden's milk tanks for
the 24575 Borden's milk flatcar, and a repro rail load for the 24125
Bethlehem Steel gondola. I also overhauled the motor on the 21085 loce
and replaced the lower e-unit, so the whole set is back to the way it
was in 1960! Of course, brake wheels are missing and there are a few
play-related scratches, but it gives me a real kick to have the set
back in its original (last year before Pikemaster) configuration. Just
thought I'd share that with you all!
.......Larry Harmon
Group: S-Trains Message: 44542 From: David Dewey Date: 7/4/2007
Subject: Business or Hobby--Profit or non -profit
Just a mind-set correction that I could not leave alone:

Roy wrote,
"Or to put it another way, the ONLY reason a business exists is to make a
profit. Unless it is a not-for-profit."

A Non-Profit that doesn't make a profit will soon be gone. "Non-Profit" is a
tax term, indicating only that no involved individual gains from the
organization's income. TCA & TTOS are non-profit organizations, but you can
bet they wouldn't be here today if they didn't make some profit, so as to
keep the organization going for all the members' benefit.

I couldn't let this go by, as I have to explain this frequently to the local
historical society's board of directors--and even the church trustees--we do
have a right to make a profit, so we can improve the museum or the world.
Happy 4th!
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44543 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 7/4/2007
Subject: Re: Business or Hobby--Profit or non -profit
hahahah,,, I can't let this one, go,,, here we "go" again.

I must correct you just a little. As a "non-profit" organization, be
you museum, religion, or ad-nauseum, you are allowed to
have "income", or in other words, bring in money. You are not
allowed any "profit" as that denotes gain. Your "income" must be
balanced by "outflow", improvements, public works, salaries to staff,
or some other accepted expenditure. If you make "profit" you are no
longer a non-profit and you are subject to appropriate taxes.

no why did i waste my time with this,,,, geeze,

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> wrote:
>
> Just a mind-set correction that I could not leave alone:
>
> Roy wrote,
> "Or to put it another way, the ONLY reason a business exists is to
make a
> profit. Unless it is a not-for-profit."
>
> A Non-Profit that doesn't make a profit will soon be gone. "Non-
Profit" is a
> tax term, indicating only that no involved individual gains from
the
> organization's income. TCA & TTOS are non-profit organizations, but
you can
> bet they wouldn't be here today if they didn't make some profit, so
as to
> keep the organization going for all the members' benefit.
>
> I couldn't let this go by, as I have to explain this frequently to
the local
> historical society's board of directors--and even the church
trustees--we do
> have a right to make a profit, so we can improve the museum or the
world.
> Happy 4th!
> S'
> David D.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44544 From: Phil K Date: 7/4/2007
Subject: Re: Business or Hobby--Profit or non -profit
Another little correction to a correction. A NFP is allowed "gain".
There cannot be an "owner" who profits. Likewise, while it is a corporation, individuals may not own shares (which ostensibly would bring them "gain" as owners or partners) and the corporation cannot pay dividends.

This is not to say all NFPs run on a shoestring and are constantly fundraising. Many are hardly "poor".

Let's take a shining example for this point, one which I'm far too
familiar:

The PGA Tour (professional golf)

It is a not-for-profit.

It pays its commissioner about $6 million a year.

Last year, 92 of 125 exempt members earned over $1 million each in
prize money paid out by the Tour. Only about 16 actually won a
tournament.

The PGA Tour, a not-for-profit, owns a network of 20 Tournament
Players Championship clubs around the country -- each with a multi-
million golf course and fancy clubhouse. They own the land, the
building and everything on that land. Total value: about one billion dollars.

Because it is a NFP, each TPC course has a NFP tax number and
therefore does not pay sales tax on any purchases -- golf course
supplies, liquor, restaurant foodstuffs, etc. They do, however, charge sales tax on purchases.

In my opinion, this is a horrible abuse of the NFP concept.

But it illustrates "not-for-profit" it is not a synonym for "charity".

Phil K

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@...> wrote:
>
> hahahah,,, I can't let this one, go,,, here we "go" again.
>
> I must correct you just a little. As a "non-profit" organization,
be
> you museum, religion, or ad-nauseum, you are allowed to
> have "income", or in other words, bring in money. You are not
> allowed any "profit" as that denotes gain. Your "income" must be
> balanced by "outflow", improvements, public works, salaries to
staff,
> or some other accepted expenditure. If you make "profit" you are
no
> longer a non-profit and you are subject to appropriate taxes.
>
> no why did i waste my time with this,,,, geeze,
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@> wrote:
> >
> > Just a mind-set correction that I could not leave alone:
> >
> > Roy wrote,
> > "Or to put it another way, the ONLY reason a business exists is
to
> make a
> > profit. Unless it is a not-for-profit."
> >
> > A Non-Profit that doesn't make a profit will soon be gone. "Non-
> Profit" is a
> > tax term, indicating only that no involved individual gains from
> the
> > organization's income. TCA & TTOS are non-profit organizations,
but
> you can
> > bet they wouldn't be here today if they didn't make some profit,
so
> as to
> > keep the organization going for all the members' benefit.
> >
> > I couldn't let this go by, as I have to explain this frequently
to
> the local
> > historical society's board of directors--and even the church
> trustees--we do
> > have a right to make a profit, so we can improve the museum or
the
> world.
> > Happy 4th!
> > S'
> > David D.
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44545 From: keefer1 Date: 7/4/2007
Subject: nfp
Geez how about a moderator getting this back to train
related. I didn't think this was the golf channel. Keith



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44546 From: Phil K Date: 7/4/2007
Subject: Re: nfp
> Geez how about a moderator getting this back to train
> related. I didn't think this was the golf channel. Keith

What's your problem now, Keith?

Funny how all other train-unrelated posts here go right past you
without a word of complaint.

But that's not the real issue, is it? It is about posting links to
eBay sales on S-Trains.

Moderators make decisions based on what's good for everyone in our
little S community and for the continued good health of the board --
not just to please one individual who has an axe to grind against a
particular moderator -- me.

This policy is about the fact that about a month or so ago we
suddenly had a flurry of people joining the board -- and immediately
posting links for their "for sale" items on eBay. They didn't come
here to be part of our community and add useful content for other
members or ask questions. They came here only to advertise their eBay
sales.

I proposed the concept of not posting links to eBay sales here in
late May out of necessity. It doesn't take a broad imagination to see
what a mess this forum would be if we allowed a wide-open policy on
that. Funny, but not one person complained about such a policy at
that time. I got a few off-line emails from people who said it was a
good idea. But it wasn't even discussed by anyone on the forum.

You talk about Paul Yorke's concept for this board. Is that what you
believe he wanted eight years ago, having it turn into a satellite
for eBay sellers? When S-Trains began in 1999, eBay wasn't the
800-lb. gorilla it is today. Either way, I doubt it was Paul's intent
in creating this forum to provide another avenue for dealers to
peddle their stuff. Also, in the last year, "Available S-Gauge" was
created by Jerry Matsick solely for the purpose of buying and
selling S gauge -- and to pull those posts away from this forum.

By the way, Paul Yorke isn't running the forum anymore. Because of
his increasing business responsibilities, last September he turned
operations over to the moderators.

I repeated the late May concept here the other day because a poster
tried to put up a link to one of his eBay sales. It is a perfect
example of the problem. That person has made a total of 26
contributions to this forum over the years -- and each and every one
of them had to do with him selling something.

Multiply that by our 1364 members and what kind of forum would we
have? So it's either all, or none. No discrimination.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 44547 From: Robert Graves Date: 7/4/2007
Subject: The 1950 A. C. Gilbert Factory layout is on The Gilbert Gallery
Many thanks to Jerry Dobbs for sending me his great pictures! They are now on the Gilbert Gallery, with the track plan, for all to see:

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/trains.html

Jerry, if you have any more pictures of it, I'd love to add them! This is an intriguing layout and I'd love to see and show more of it.

Bob


Gerald Dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote:

The 1950 7' x 16' Factory layout built by Art Department Employees of
the A. C. Gilbert Co. Art Mauzaka and Frank Cattiglone was on display,
Courtesy of Charlie and Clay, Dave's Twacks & Trains, Raleigh, NC
610-248-0890.

A fabulous layout, Any one considering a layout should copy the design.
Dave's, I am sure can supply drawings.

The Lionel display was good, and Mike ( MTH ) had his Coors train on
display, it was unbelievable.

All who missed the convention, really missed a special treat. It was
fantastic.

Jerry HR77-11644





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44548 From: roy inman Date: 7/4/2007
Subject: Re: Business or Hobby--Profit or non -profit
Phil, et al;

Thanks for the dissertation on NFP's but I get it. I did not intend for the
thread to lead towards a CPA discussion of tax laws.

My only point was that there is only a single reason any business is in
business and that is to make a profit. If someone is in business solely for
the love of it and cares not about making money, then it is not a business
but a hobby or some sort of philanthropic enterprise. So to fault Lionel,
MTH or SHS or anyone else for "wanting only to make money off of us" just
doesn't make any sense. Sort of like faulting a giraffe for having a long
neck: it is just the nature of the beast.

Cheers :)

Roy Inman



From: Phil K <waldootten@...>
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 17:39:31 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Business or Hobby--Profit or non -profit

Another little correction to a correction. A NFP is allowed "gain".
There cannot be an "owner" who profits. Likewise, while it is a corporation,
individuals may not own shares (which ostensibly would bring them "gain" as
owners or partners) and the corporation cannot pay dividends.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44549 From: lumglum Date: 7/5/2007
Subject: Looking to buy AM GP-35
Looking for an American Models GP35013A CSX GP-35 Pwd
Email me off line.
Thanks,
George
Group: S-Trains Message: 44550 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/5/2007
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Cow on Track 1 - - TTML B4 the 4th
Amusing train video starring many cows.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: bigo426
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 8:55 PM
Subject: [toytrains] Cow on Track 1 - - TTML B4 the 4th


Done with a high art flair.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LRlYFRKL58

Paul Olekson





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44551 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/5/2007
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] A Cat and a Train - - TTML B4 the 4th
Another train video starring a Cat set to the music of "Cat" Stevens. I will now burn all of my Cat Stevens LP's and CD's due to this video.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: bigo426
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 8:38 PM
Subject: [toytrains] A Cat and a Train - - TTML B4 the 4th


The cat stalks its HO prey...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CotPv39CAKA

Paul Olekson





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44552 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/5/2007
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Cow on Track 2 - - TTML B4 the 4th
Another train video starring one cow.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: bigo426
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 8:59 PM
Subject: [toytrains] Cow on Track 2 - - TTML B4 the 4th


Could this be the pinacle of black and white cinematography?
Can't believe people go through all this for our enjoyment.
No toy animals were hurt during the making of this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGkg5yDnK8s&NR=1

Paul Olekson





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44553 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 7/5/2007
Subject: Re: Restoration of set # 20615, the "Thunderbolt" set
Congratulations !!!? Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: flyer_af <bugsville@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 9:04 am
Subject: [S-Trains] Restoration of set # 20615, the "Thunderbolt" set






Hi all,
I just thought I'd post and tell you all that I've completed the
restoration of the #20615 "Thunderbolt" set that I got for Christmas in
1960. I found a junker 24065 NYC boxcar to replace the missing door on
mine (bah, the junker had Pikemaster couplers- a junker from the
factory if you ask me). I found a pair of NOS Borden's milk tanks for
the 24575 Borden's milk flatcar, and a repro rail load for the 24125
Bethlehem Steel gondola. I also overhauled the motor on the 21085 loce
and replaced the lower e-unit, so the whole set is back to the way it
was in 1960! Of course, brake wheels are missing and there are a few
play-related scratches, but it gives me a real kick to have the set
back in its original (last year before Pikemaster) configuration. Just
thought I'd share that with you all!
.......Larry Harmon





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44554 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/5/2007
Subject: Insurance Claim
Just a follow up on my email last month about some damage to a cat walk on a very nice 24426 Rath AF Reefer that I believe was dropped by a cat sitter sometime.

I did file a claim, as I did a partial claim, meaning I get to keep the item, as the insurance company pays for the difference in the previous grade and the current new grade due to the damage.

I got a check today for $319.50 for the damage, as I did not save a copy of the paper I filled out and how I came up with that figure. Greenberg list the car in E at 710, as I thought I took off 30% for the damage, but I must of gone higher.

I thought they would call for pictures, but they did not.

So, I am pleased with everything, as this claim will not raise my insurance rates.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44555 From: Marty.Thorin Date: 7/6/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3717
Dear Mike:
This is wonderful news! I am glad the damaged car did not get
destroyed. Now you just need to sell the damaged one, purchase another
E and you are all set with three happy people: the new owner of the
damaged one, the seller of the E and yourself!

Thorin

________________________________________________________________________

6. Insurance Claim
Posted by: "Michael and Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 6:52 pm ((PDT))

Just a follow up on my email last month about some damage to a cat walk
on a very nice 24426 Rath AF Reefer that I believe was dropped by a cat
sitter sometime.

I did file a claim, as I did a partial claim, meaning I get to keep the
item, as the insurance company pays for the difference in the previous
grade and the current new grade due to the damage.

I got a check today for $319.50 for the damage, as I did not save a copy
of the paper I filled out and how I came up with that figure.
Greenberg list the car in E at 710, as I thought I took off 30% for the
damage, but I must of gone higher.

I thought they would call for pictures, but they did not.

So, I am pleased with everything, as this claim will not raise my
insurance rates.

Mike Marmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 44556 From: Chris Date: 7/6/2007
Subject: Re: Insurance Claim
Mike M. wrote:
>>Just a follow up on my email last month about some damage to a cat
walk on a very nice 24426 Rath AF Reefer that I believe was dropped by
a cat sitter sometime. I thought they would call for pictures.<<





Or a Cat Scan.





Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 44557 From: William Porter Date: 7/6/2007
Subject: Transformer Repair
Hi Folks,



I recently fixed a broken MRC Tech II O27 power pack. I had been using it to
run American Flyer (and Marx) trains with my grandsons. These are slightly
older units that pop up at train shows and on eBay. The unit failed
completely (DOA) after a few months. I had bought it used, for not much
money, so, I was willing to take it apart. The problem was that one
electrical part inside had a broken leg. The purpose of this note is to let
anyone in a similar situation know what fixed the problem. It was a triac -
a sort of a 3-leg gizmo that looks like a transistor. It was a simple matter
to replace the part - soldering the three connections to the same legs on
the new part. It works like a champ.



The triac is available from Jameco as part number 160207. You can look it up
online if you are of an electrical bent. I suppose the same part could be
the basis for a home-made transformer. The cost is less than $2.00 each.



In order to open the case, I also obtained a set of "security" torx bits.
MRC appears not to like to have us open the cases. A torx bit looks like a
6-pointed star. The security part is that there is a post in the middle of
the key in the head of the screw. That means we need to use special torx
bits with a corresponding hole in the business end. I used a T10 bit to
remove the screws and replaced them with Phillips head screws when I
reassembled it.



The MRC packs look nice and have a decent feel to the controls. When I take
a portable layout to shows, I let the kids run the trains using MRC Tech II
power packs. That way I don't have to lug a big transformer.





Bill Porter

Loxahatchee, Florida





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44558 From: Tim Brown Date: 7/6/2007
Subject: Re: Transformer Repair
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "William Porter" <wpporter@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> I recently fixed a broken MRC Tech II O27 power pack. I had been
using it to
> run American Flyer (and Marx) trains with my grandsons. These are
slightly
> older units that pop up at train shows and on eBay. The unit failed
> completely (DOA) after a few months. I had bought it used, for not
much
> money, so, I was willing to take it apart. The problem was that one
> electrical part inside had a broken leg. The purpose of this note
is to let
> anyone in a similar situation know what fixed the problem. It was a
triac -
> a sort of a 3-leg gizmo that looks like a transistor. It was a
simple matter
> to replace the part - soldering the three connections to the same
legs on
> the new part. It works like a champ.
>
>
>
> The triac is available from Jameco as part number 160207. You can
look it up
> online if you are of an electrical bent. I suppose the same part
could be
> the basis for a home-made transformer. The cost is less than $2.00
each.
>
>
>
> In order to open the case, I also obtained a set of "security" torx
bits.
> MRC appears not to like to have us open the cases. A torx bit looks
like a
> 6-pointed star. The security part is that there is a post in the
middle of
> the key in the head of the screw. That means we need to use special
torx
> bits with a corresponding hole in the business end. I used a T10
bit to
> remove the screws and replaced them with Phillips head screws when I
> reassembled it.
>
>
>
> The MRC packs look nice and have a decent feel to the controls.
When I take
> a portable layout to shows, I let the kids run the trains using MRC
Tech II
> power packs. That way I don't have to lug a big transformer.
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill Porter
>
> Loxahatchee, Florida
>
>

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT:

Don't try this at home folks. The above repair was done by someone
who apparently knows his way around. For most of the rest of us, it
would be far too easy to unwittingly and accidentally short the
primary to the secondary coil and electrocute ourselves. Even one
stray drop of solder or one stray piece of stranded wire could -
could - do it.

That transformer case Bill spoke of was factory "sealed" for a
reason. And that reason wasn't just to force the average guy to take
it to a repair shop to spin the economy. It was manufactured that
way for liability and public wellfare reasons as well.

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44559 From: Chris Date: 7/6/2007
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] A Cat and a Train - - TTML B4 the 4th
Mike Marmer sez:
>>Another train video starring a Cat set to the music of "Cat"
Stevens. I will now burn all of my Cat Stevens LP's and CD's due to
this video.<<

Well, if you do, you'll need a permit. Come on Mike, it was
adorrrrrable. Cute little female cat batting the crap out of a German
HO train. See it as the Tortoise-Shell and the Herr. (Duck will
like that one.) I just think it would have been better if the music
ended abruptly with a record scratch sound once the cat finally hit it.

BTW, I don't think that the music was used because of Cat Stevens
name, but because the train ended up in pieces.

(It will be sold next week on e-Bay, along with the cat so you can
recreate the darling ensemble in your own home.) Ooops, I forgot the
e-Bay warning. Now some of you will have nightmares. (Hey, if you
talk about a Volkswagen Golf, have you gone off topic twice?)

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 44560 From: Chris Date: 7/6/2007
Subject: The Dreaded EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-BAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Here's a swell idea. If all the list members who regularly sell would
go into their Yahoo Profile and add their e-Bay ID to their other
data, any one of us could go find it, plug it into an e-Bay search and
see what you have for sale currently. We can even ID you as a favored
seller, so we'd only have to find you once.

As a matter of fact, how about we have all the sellers post one post,
just one, with their e-Bay name. We can all copy them, put them into
our e-Bay searches and that will be that. We will forever have you
listed. Maybe you get to do this twice a year.

Better still! How's this? Many posters have a signature line on
their posts like "Get more Internet with AOL." Why can't people sign
off after their name with "See Busy-Boy on e-Bay for S-Gauge Bargains"?

The one thing you can't do is list all the stuff you have or post just
to say "I've got new stuff for sale on e-Bay." But, if you are a
regular contributing member who has a lot of other on-topic posts,
what could be hurt by a tag line?

I think that most of us could come on here and say: "Check out all the
stuff I'm selling this week" because that's not what we are usually
about. We talk all sorts of train talk so the occassional drop of
commercialism isn't going to hurt anybody. But I do agree that crass
sales posting by sellers who aren't contributors needs to be curbed.

Tim Brown, you are a funny man. (I'm funny? Funny how? No, no, you
said it, what did you mean? Funny Ha Ha or funny like weird? Funny
how?) Funny and how. Thanks for that post on the assault on your
eyes. I really have a hard time understanding the problem with the
occasional off topic post, the inevitable e-Bay post or any
other "offensive" post.

This list gets 4 or 5 posts on a busy day. It's not like you have to
wade through hundreds of endless e-Bay references just to get to
something you are interested in. Why anyone needs SPAM protection to
avoid a dreaded topic is beyond the level of reasonable behavior. If
this list had hundreds of posts a day, your points would be well taken
folks. With only a handful, do as Tim does. Delete what you find
uninteresting and move on. Asking the members of this list to refrain
from the odd foray into non-train areas or non-S areas or non-you
areas is incredibly self-aggrandizing and horribly petty.

You have to live next door to somebody, and if he snores, you'll just
have to buy earmuffs.

Chris Zizzo

Who happens to be Busy-Boy on e-Bay, though I have yet to sell a piece
of S-gauge (though I've bought plenty!)
Group: S-Trains Message: 44561 From: Richard Karnes Date: 7/6/2007
Subject: Mobley Library vacation
All --

The Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library will be closed from July 16, 2007.

Dick Karnes, Librarian
Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library
NASG Inc.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44562 From: Ljack70117@comcast.net Date: 7/6/2007
Subject: Re: The Dreaded EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-BAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Why don't one of you start a yahoogroups I sell on ebay list. Than
any one interested what you have on ebay can go there. VOILA
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left




On Jul 6, 2007, at 4:25 PM, Chris wrote:

> Here's a swell idea. If all the list members who regularly sell would
> go into their Yahoo Profile and add their e-Bay ID to their other
> data, any one of us could go find it, plug it into an e-Bay search and
> see what you have for sale currently. We can even ID you as a favored
> seller, so we'd only have to find you once.
>
> As a matter of fact, how about we have all the sellers post one post,
> just one, with their e-Bay name. We can all copy them, put them into
> our e-Bay searches and that will be that. We will forever have you
> listed. Maybe you get to do this twice a year.
>
> Better still! How's this? Many posters have a signature line on
> their posts like "Get more Internet with AOL." Why can't people sign
> off after their name with "See Busy-Boy on e-Bay for S-Gauge
> Bargains"?
>
> The one thing you can't do is list all the stuff you have or post just
> to say "I've got new stuff for sale on e-Bay." But, if you are a
> regular contributing member who has a lot of other on-topic posts,
> what could be hurt by a tag line?
>
> I think that most of us could come on here and say: "Check out all the
> stuff I'm selling this week" because that's not what we are usually
> about. We talk all sorts of train talk so the occassional drop of
> commercialism isn't going to hurt anybody. But I do agree that crass
> sales posting by sellers who aren't contributors needs to be curbed.
>
> Tim Brown, you are a funny man. (I'm funny? Funny how? No, no, you
> said it, what did you mean? Funny Ha Ha or funny like weird? Funny
> how?) Funny and how. Thanks for that post on the assault on your
> eyes. I really have a hard time understanding the problem with the
> occasional off topic post, the inevitable e-Bay post or any
> other "offensive" post.
>
> This list gets 4 or 5 posts on a busy day. It's not like you have to
> wade through hundreds of endless e-Bay references just to get to
> something you are interested in. Why anyone needs SPAM protection to
> avoid a dreaded topic is beyond the level of reasonable behavior. If
> this list had hundreds of posts a day, your points would be well taken
> folks. With only a handful, do as Tim does. Delete what you find
> uninteresting and move on. Asking the members of this list to refrain
> from the odd foray into non-train areas or non-S areas or non-you
> areas is incredibly self-aggrandizing and horribly petty.
>
> You have to live next door to somebody, and if he snores, you'll just
> have to buy earmuffs.
>
> Chris Zizzo
>
> Who happens to be Busy-Boy on e-Bay, though I have yet to sell a piece
> of S-gauge (though I've bought plenty!)
>
>
>
> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com
> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too!
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://S-Scale.org/albums
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44563 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 7/6/2007
Subject: Re: K-D
Phil,
Any interest in photos of the old Kadee Machine shop( Found it while
looking for the last wig-wag in Medford, Or). I might even go out to the
newer plant in White City. Let me know, Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44564 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 7/7/2007
Subject: Repair advice?
I recently purchased at an auction a 752 Seaboard Coaler I plan to place on my lay-out. Could use some help on repairing this unit:

1. The string on the unit is too thin to work very long. Does anyone know of a source for teflon-coated ice-fishing line? Doug Peck had suggested I look for this.

2. The clam shell does not always open totally up. I assume the shaft is dirty? If so, how do you pull the pins out to disassemble the unit on the 752? Do you have to grind off one end of the pin? If so, how do you then reassemble the pin?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 44565 From: David Dewey Date: 7/7/2007
Subject: K-D
K-D's old machine shop? Interesting, need to add that to my "things to see
while going through Medford" (actually, there used to be some intersting
things to see, like the AF stufff in the basement of the hardware store--but
that's all gone now).
Looking for the last wig-wag signal. I hope it's still there--the last
semaphores were taken out of service this week. Thus ends an era. bummer.
Chris, YES I liked the puns!
Well, off to non-train work stuff--although some of it may involve getting
more stuff done on the house which will, in the long term, mean the train
room gets something non-train removed from it!!! Someday there will be room
for trains in there!! (trains out of boxes and on tracks)
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44566 From: ER Date: 7/7/2007
Subject: Warning - Reduced Price Model Railroad items for sale - Warning
I have an MRC Control Master 20 100 VA DC powerpack for sale. This is
the big one with the walk around throttle. This unit was reworked by the
factory as it had a vibration issue. I think the fan was replaced. It is
now like new. This thing has enough power to run most anything. These are
about $199 new so here is your chance for a reduced cost one. $100 plus $15
shipping to usa48.



I also have about 34 Classic Toy Train Magazines. These are all from about
1992 through 2002. No complete years. Dates on request. Buy them all for
$60 shipped to you in USA.





Thanks for looking

Eric Reis

Kenmore, Wa.



TCA, NASG, Ebay - ER099



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44567 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 7/7/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3717
Thanks Marty,

As I agree completely that everything turned out fine in the end.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Marty.Thorin
To: Michael and Linda Marmer ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Digest Number 3717


Dear Mike:
This is wonderful news! I am glad the damaged car did not get
destroyed. Now you just need to sell the damaged one, purchase another
E and you are all set with three happy people: the new owner of the
damaged one, the seller of the E and yourself!

Thorin

__________________________________________________________

6. Insurance Claim
Posted by: "Michael and Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 6:52 pm ((PDT))

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44568 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/7/2007
Subject: Re: The Dreaded EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-BAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Ebay is part of the world in buying of AF, just train shows, mail order.

There are things on this list that I or some others have no interest, but that does give me the right to say, start a separate yahoo group for that particular topic, as you have to remember these list appeal to the masses with different interest in trains.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Ljack70117@...
To: Chris
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Dreaded EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-BAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY


Why don't one of you start a yahoogroups I sell on ebay list. Than
any one interested what you have on ebay can go there. VOILA
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left

On Jul 6, 2007, at 4:25 PM, Chris wrote:

> Here's a swell idea. If all the list members who regularly sell would
> go into their Yahoo Profile and add their e-Bay ID to their other
> data, any one of us could go find it, plug it into an e-Bay search and
> see what you have for sale currently. We can even ID you as a favored
>
>
> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com
> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too!
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://S-Scale.org/albums
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44569 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/7/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] A Cat and a Train - - TTML B4 the 4th
Chris,

Actually, the video was pretty good, as we had 2 cats at the same time that lived to 20 and 19, and I can tell you many stories on the elderly cat care I gave them with lots of love.

I meant that bit about Cat Stevens to a bit humorous, as I like both, Cats and Cat Stevens.

Speaking of Cat Stevens, how many know that Rod Stewart and Linda Ronstat had some hits with some his song, pre-hit era.

Okay, did not mean to turn this into Cat Stevens talk. O:)!
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From: Chris
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 3:49 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: [toytrains] A Cat and a Train - - TTML B4 the 4th


Mike Marmer sez:
>>Another train video starring a Cat set to the music of "Cat"
Stevens. I will now burn all of my Cat Stevens LP's and CD's due to
this video.<<

Well, if you do, you'll need a permit. Come on Mike, it was
adorrrrrable. Cute little female cat batting the crap out of a German
HO train. See it as the Tortoise-Shell and the Herr. (Duck will
like that one.) I just think it would have been better if the music
ended abruptly with a record scratch sound once the cat finally hit it.

BTW, I don't think that the music was used because of Cat Stevens
name, but because the train ended up in pieces.

(It will be sold next week on e-Bay, along with the cat so you can
recreate the darling ensemble in your own home.) Ooops, I forgot the
e-Bay warning. Now some of you will have nightmares. (Hey, if you
talk about a Volkswagen Golf, have you gone off topic twice?)

Chris Zizzo





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44570 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 7/7/2007
Subject: Re: The Dreaded EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-BAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Larry,
are you trying to sell a VIOLA? :) MIKE



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44571 From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build Date: 7/7/2007
Subject: Poor Boy's Home...
I know this is a bit late in coming, but................

Wondering if anyone might be in a position to haul my long-suffering wife and me from the Baltimore airport to the Best Western on Monday night? We're on US Air flight 83 from Phoenix due to arrive at 7:42 PM. I'll be checking e-mail one more time, Sunday AM, before we head out to Phoenix. Cell phone is 928-814-7774. What with the stupid three-hour time differential, maybe best to leave a contact number if possible.

Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44572 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/8/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/8/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44574 From: John Degnan Date: 7/9/2007
Subject: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER!!!
Hi folks,

Anyone out there interested in a open-style auto carrier? Haved a look at the web page below :

http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/nycautorack.htm


John Degnan
Scaler164@...
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44575 From: Tom Hawley Date: 7/10/2007
Subject: The Dispatch is out
If you're never meet Stumpy Stone, one of our more rational commentators, in person, see page 21 of the just-out Nasg Dispatch.

Tom Hawley

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44576 From: Rick Evans Date: 7/10/2007
Subject: Re: The Dispatch is out
I haven't received mine yet.
I can't wait!!

Rick.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44577 From: John Degnan Date: 7/10/2007
Subject: S Scale VULCAN Trucks?!?
Groups,

Does anyone know if VULCAN trucks are yet available in S scale? BRASS or PLASTIC will work!

If they are not available, does anyone know the details and dimensions of these trucks?

See a drawing of a VULCAN truck : www.trainweb.org/seaboard/VulcanTrucks.gif

Thanks, and double-thanks.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44578 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 7/10/2007
Subject: The 1:64 Modeling Guide future
What do do for 1:64 Modeling Guide?

It is now hard to find the HO Train Mag. in stores and there are no Hobby Shops to car train Mag.
I say can we find a way to keep it going on the web? All the printing and mailing costs would be eliminated. So how can Debbie and Ben be reward financially?
I believe we should leave the decision up to the large advertisers.
I will support Debbie and Ben if they want to keep it going.
The Web is replacing all magazines, so how can we fight the trend. Yes we have been fighting it all our lives.
I remember going on to train rings. Can we do that?
If you take all the S web sites you have a lot of articles that readers never see.

My idea is link every S 1/64 web site to all others. We can create a web page to be used by all 1/64 people. You don’t have to build one, just use one given to everyone, or have every web site link to our best web site who has a master set of links. How about the NASG web site.

I am never going to stop promoting my idea. Bring in the car, truck, fire engine collectors to our web sites. Sell them tables at all are functions. We have a better network then they have. There are a number of new magazines. We need to send them info on our events. Do we not sell cars, trucks, constructions vehicles already?

I believe we can increase our participation at our events by 25%. I know we can sell them something. They need figures and buildings. They do not know we exist.
I will offer to build a data base if everyone would foreword web sites that we can join and get linked too.

If they do not want all of us, then we want them to at least link to the NASG web site.
That’s my story and I am sticking to it.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44579 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 7/11/2007
Subject: The Dispatch is out
Received mine, & read it cover to cover, every article enjoyable.
Thanks to all involved
Jerry HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 44580 From: Chris Date: 7/11/2007
Subject: Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER!!!
The Lionel 027 Evans open frame auto rack in 2 and 3 tier levels
scales out as 1/64. The excessively inboard bolster centering is
prototypical even though Big L uses an offset truck to compensate it
out. The model sold with vehicles comes with 1/64 cars. 1/48 cars
are too big for the platform levels.

A straight conversion to SHS trucks will yield a serviceable and
good looking car in keeping with Flyer equipment. Long shanked
couplers will be necessary to make a Talgo setup. Scalers will find
that paint and detailing will be minimal to follow the prototype. I
have compared the Lionel car to many proto pix and it looks good.
Flatter paint in accurate colors, rust, weathering, half ramps (SHS
has them from the TOFCs) chains and cables will make the
difference. The scale couplers will be chassis mounted, solving the
coupler problem.

I bought one of these at York and then found a dozen more on e-Bay.
I had hoped to detail one for Baltimore, but my life has gone askew
at the moment. I also bought the more modern covered auto-rack but
it is not as realistic and needs more work. It's a little big, too.

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 44581 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 7/11/2007
Subject: Re: The Dispatch is out...cameras damaged!
Okay, y'all...are you trying to make a minor celebrity out of me or
something? Just because someone was daring enough to risk camera
damage to take my picture doesn't mean you guys should encourage that
sort of thing!
What's worse is that now all the hard core collectors who don't like
the mysterious Mad Butcher kitbashing old Flyer will know what I look
like! And I was caught with the evidence; my 0-8-0 turned into a 2-8-
0 being filled with smoke fluid.
By the way, I don't normally wear goofy glasses like that, I just
can't see as well as I used too! Hey, that's what happens when you
join AARP!
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer from Eastern Ahia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44582 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 7/11/2007
Subject: Dispatch
another great issue, i especially enjoyed doug's article on the early
nasg cars as i missed them.... and stumpy isn't a bad looking guy, is
he???? dale reynolds, pendleton sc
Group: S-Trains Message: 44583 From: Edward G. Date: 7/11/2007
Subject: Dispatch
I dont get the dispatch ..so why doesnt someone post the pic in the
files along with the article so we can all read it ...
As for Dales comment ...Hummm Is he on the Pink team ...lol
Group: S-Trains Message: 44584 From: roy inman Date: 7/11/2007
Subject: Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel variety
Chris,

Is this an old or a new/old issue? Or both?

Roy Inman

From: Chris <busyboy@...>
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:10:04 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER!!!


The Lionel 027 Evans open frame auto rack in 2 and 3 tier levels
scales out as 1/64. The excessively inboard bolster centering is
prototypical even though Big L uses an offset truck to compensate it
out. The model sold with vehicles comes with 1/64 cars. 1/48 cars
are too big for the platform levels.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44585 From: Chris Date: 7/12/2007
Subject: Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel variety
Roy Inman asks if this is an old or new issue.

I think this is all modern era Lionel. In the Post War era, L only
had that auto-loader with the big lettering.

Strictly for the purposes of illustrating what I mean, I am going to
refer you to some e-Bay auction numbers. These conveniently have
clear pictures that will save me a thousand words. Just go to e-Bay,
cut and paste each item number from here and put it into the e-Bay
search box. Alternately, you could simply do a search on "Lionel
auto carrier".

For the 3 level version look at items:
280131914240 (with 1/64 cars on board)
260137388405 (with 1/48 cars stuffed in)
300128398044 (with no cars)
230145124829 (this photo shows how out of scale it looks with 0
gauge trucks)

The two tier is exactly the same construction, but shorter:
140120675771

For the most modern covered auto-rack:
190130619006
190130931116

For the Post War auto rack:
300128103194 (with 1/48 cars)


Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 44586 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 7/12/2007
Subject: NSGA convention
Just a note on the convention. About 75% of the dealers have set up as of
Wed. afternoon, more to set up today. Open to public on Sat. There is a load of
old and new American Flyer and plenty of AM & SHS there. We sold more tables
than expected with the overflow going into the registration room. Two large
parts dealers are there also.

The four operating layouts are fantastic, so dont miss this event if you can
get on over.

Exit 57 off I-95, about 1/2 mile north of harbor tunnel at the Best Western
Hotel at O'Donnell St.

S-Helper Service has a very large booth along with their layout.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44587 From: John Degnan Date: 7/12/2007
Subject: Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel variety
Just to make sure that we're on the same sheet of music here with this auto-carrier discussion... the model that I'm trying to have produced is NOT similar to ANY of the ones Chris referenced (below) on ebay. it IS, however, similar to the car in the following ebay auctions : 160135034245, 300128103194, 180136891738, 230150561251 and 220129902381.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: July 12, 2007 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel variety


For the 3 level version look at items:
280131914240 (with 1/64 cars on board)
260137388405 (with 1/48 cars stuffed in)
300128398044 (with no cars)
230145124829 (this photo shows how out of scale it looks with 0
gauge trucks)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44588 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 7/12/2007
Subject: Re: WATER TANKERS NON AF OR SCALE BUT>>>>>
Something I just saw for the first time here or anywhere, water tankers
behind the engine & spread out in the consist, to water the weeds along the rail
line. It being fire season & all. I am going to get some pictures in CORP's
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44589 From: Chris Date: 7/12/2007
Subject: Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel variety
John Degnan, whose e-mail ID is scaler164 wants to reproduce, in S
gauge, the bogus Evans Autoloader manufactured by Lionel. Why?

I did indeed reference auction number 300128103194 which John used
as one of his examples. I added it to my last post to distinguish
this post-war evergreen from the more scale versions produced later.

With this, Lionel simply attached a superstructure to a flat car.
It's a pretty un-prototypical looking car, and I can't find a proto
picture anywhere that looks anything like it. In fact, Lionel
offered the flat car alone as an auto carrier. K-Line made one. Take
a look at 180138206582 . They offset the center support. I assume
(a dangerous notion) that they were simply copying the Big L design,
but the offset makes me wonder if there was indeed a prototype and
the offset is a part of it.

Anyhoo, I don't get the desire for this particular auto-carrier,
unless it fits a particular proto timeline. Copying Big L doesn't
make sense to me. I have dozens of proto pix supportinng the later
carriers, so like Lee's fake fingernails, I press on.

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 44590 From: John Degnan Date: 7/12/2007
Subject: Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel variety
Chris Zizzo doesn't appear to understand that the Lionel mode is most definitely "NOT" a bogus (as he called it) model... although it is a pathetic model of the prototype. If he would have taken time to VISIT MY WEB PAGE (RE-quoted below) and actually CLICK on the photo-links on the page (hint : the links are under the "PHOTOS" header), he would have seen TWO photos of the PROTOTYPE and a plethora of concept/patent drawings of the PROTOTYPE, which WAS operated by the NEW YORK CENTRAL.

My web page : http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/nycautorack.htm

I am interested in this car for a variety of reasons (which SHOULD be simple to grasp)... 1. There is no auto-carrier of any kind currently available in S scale... 2. This prototype fits the eras that are most modeled in S scale... and 3. A perfectly suited model of a flat car which the auto-rack system needs as its host is already in production, therefore the auto-rack would simply be a "load" that could be put on the flat car.

I don't know where Chris gets this idea that anyone is trying to 'copy the big L," which has NEVER been my intention.

Get the facts, Chris... get the facts. And let those press-on nails of yours do a little more traveling across your keyboard when you visit web pages that have photos of the prototype that you don't believe exists... 'cause you are apparently missing something that IS THERE.

Peace, love and joy.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: July 12, 2007 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel variety


John Degnan, whose e-mail ID is scaler164 wants to reproduce, in S
gauge, the bogus Evans Autoloader manufactured by Lionel. Why?

With this, Lionel simply attached a superstructure to a flat car.
It's a pretty un-prototypical looking car, and I can't find a proto
picture anywhere that looks anything like it.

Anyhoo, I don't get the desire for this particular auto-carrier,
unless it fits a particular proto timeline. Copying Big L doesn't
make sense to me. I have dozens of proto pix supportinng the later
carriers, so like Lee's fake fingernails, I press on.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44591 From: roy inman Date: 7/12/2007
Subject: Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel variety
Chris,

While John is perfectly capable of speaking for himself, I believe that the
reference to the L AC was not his but someone else's.

Unless John has changed his point of view in the last few days, I was pretty
sure he used to be a stickler for detail.

But I am sure not above making a mistake, and in fact some people consider
it my style..

But while we are on the subject, how would you feel about an SHS AC based on
their existing flat car, which is the proper scale length?

John and I have been trying to sell this concept to a couple of
manufacturers for some time. When one thinks about it, the open auto carrier
is just about the only type of scale, RTR freight car that hasn't yet been
produced in S. I think. See reference above... We have plenty of
hoppers-open and otherwise, boxes, refers, tank cars, cabeese, low gons,
stock cars, etc., etc., etc.

I can't think of anything more spectacular than a string of open auto
carriers filled with 1950's Corvettes, Studebakers and Ford pickups slowly
snaking through the Flint Hills of Kansas or the Argentine industrial yards.
Or pick your favorite auto.

BTW, Chris, do you happen to know where I might find one of those "more
scale versions" of the Evergreen? I have never seen ANY scale open auto
carriers at a train show or on a layout. But admittedly I have led a
sheltered life, model train speaking... :)

Cheers :)

Roy Inman

From: Chris <busyboy@...>
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:26:39 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel
variety


John Degnan, whose e-mail ID is scaler164 wants to reproduce, in S
gauge, the bogus Evans Autoloader manufactured by Lionel. Why?

I did indeed reference auction number 300128103194 which John used
as one of his examples. I added it to my last post to distinguish
this post-war evergreen from the more scale versions produced later.

With this, Lionel simply attached a superstructure to a flat car.
It's a pretty un-prototypical looking car, and I can't find a proto
picture anywhere that looks anything like it. In fact, Lionel
offered the flat car alone as an auto carrier. K-Line made one. Take
a look at 180138206582 . They offset the center support. I assume
(a dangerous notion) that they were simply copying the Big L design,
but the offset makes me wonder if there was indeed a prototype and
the offset is a part of it.

Anyhoo, I don't get the desire for this particular auto-carrier,
unless it fits a particular proto timeline. Copying Big L doesn't
make sense to me. I have dozens of proto pix supportinng the later
carriers, so like Lee's fake fingernails, I press on.

Chris Zizzo







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Group: S-Trains Message: 44592 From: Chris Date: 7/12/2007
Subject: Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel variety
Calm down there, Johnny. Don't get all indignant!
I just could not find a picture of this old auto carrier, so I
figured it was something the boys at Lionel dreamed up to fit on a
flat car rather than tool up something new. And that's what I meant
about there being no point in copying Lionel.

I would have taken time to visit your web page, but I was too caught
up in my own ideas. But, to my credit, do notice that I conceded
the possibilty that there was a prototype because K-Line made one
and it was different. Different and prototypically correct it
seems, as the photo you have shows the offset post.

As to your points:
1. There is no auto-carrier of any kind currently available in S
scale...
Really there is. It's sold mounted to 027 trucks, but it is a true
1/64th. scale car.

2. This prototype fits the eras that are most modeled in S scale...

It does, but this was an early prototype. It was small, carried
only six cars and is not the easiest railcar to find pictures of,
because they made only one. The later open auto-racks carried 9 to
12 cars and operated from the 50's through the present day. They
were produced in abundance, came in two basic styles and have
already been produced in 1/64. They are available, cheap, and easy
to convert to S.

3. A perfectly suited model of a flat car which the auto-rack system
needs as its host is already in production, therefore the auto-rack
would simply be a "load" that could be put on the flat car.

True. Who is going to tool up to make the upper deck? You can
kitbash the K-line car I suppose, but that will make just one. Who
is going to take it to production?

John, while I agree that an auto-rack is missing from the S-scale
yards of America, I think that it is far easier and simpler to re-
truck an existing product than it will be to convince a manufacturer
to risk capital on tooling speculatively. SHS needs to produce 500
or a thousand of these and sell them. It costs thousands to tool
and produce new items. The fact that the flat car exists is only
one step along the way. The upper section still will take all the
energy, time and money of a whole new car. I think it will be
difficult to find sufficient support for this one-off prototype test-
bed of the auto-rack, even if you buy twenty or thirty of them
yourself!

I'm not happy with being your nay-sayer. I just wanted to add some
reality to the mix, and to show you where you can get correct period
auto-carriers.

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 44593 From: Tim Brown Date: 7/13/2007
Subject: Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel variety
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Degnan" <Scaler164@...> wrote:

I would love to see SHS make an auto-carrier car! I think you have a
great idea John. Chris Zizzo, you are something else. We sometimes
don't know what, tho! Hee-Hee-Hee. REEEEE-lax. Deeeep breaths.

Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44594 From: gartrain404@comcast.net Date: 7/13/2007
Subject: Re: NASG convention
Join over 300 S Gaugers at this convention.
Great dealers and layouts.

The B & O Museum & Roundhouse
were worth the trip.

Wish you were here in
Sunny downtown Baltimore.

Glenn

-------------- Original message --------------
From: HOwingsiii@...
Just a note on the convention. About 75% of the dealers have set up as of
Wed. afternoon, more to set up today. Open to public on Sat. There is a load of
old and new American Flyer and plenty of AM & SHS there. We sold more tables
than expected with the overflow going into the registration room. Two large
parts dealers are there also.

The four operating layouts are fantastic, so dont miss this event if you can
get on over.

Exit 57 off I-95, about 1/2 mile north of harbor tunnel at the Best Western
Hotel at O'Donnell St.

S-Helper Service has a very large booth along with their layout.

Harwood

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44595 From: Rick Evans Date: 7/13/2007
Subject: Re: WATER TANKERS NON AF OR SCALE BUT>>>>>
Interesting Mike.
Photos?

Rick.



Something I just saw for the first time here or anywhere, water tankers
behind the engine & spread out in the consist, to water the weeds along the rail
line. It being fire season & all. I am going to get some pictures in CORP's
yard along with their snow plow. Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44596 From: Tim Brown Date: 7/13/2007
Subject: NRHS
Hello,

I just joined the NRHS and my local chapter as well. The NRHS is the
National Railway Historical Society. I found out that my local chapter
has had many meetings and activities in the past which would have been
of great interest to me and I assume they will continue to do so.
Their publication is a wealth of prototype information and photos. I
highly encourage all on this List to consider joining. Remember,
prototype is the inspiration from which our toy trains doth spring.

Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44597 From: G C Date: 7/13/2007
Subject: Atlas Atlantic
I read a short description of the new Atlas "O" Atlantic which stated that the model was not true "O". does that mean it is somewhat smaller in size than "O". Could the s
Shell make a possible candidate for kitbashing into "S" ?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44598 From: Chris Date: 7/13/2007
Subject: Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel variety
As promised, I have posted a dozen pictures.
Look in the "Photos" link under "A" for "Auto-Racks"

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 44599 From: Chris Date: 7/13/2007
Subject: Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel variety
Steve wrote me with an interesting point. I quote: "I agree that
swaping out trucks on a 'O-scale' car is probably the best option(if
not best, then [the] most likely for those wanting a s-scale auto
hauler)... but does anyone have suggestions on getting some 1-64
plastic cars for the load? I would think 2 or 3 of these with 6 - 9
cars in diecast would be a bit heavy for most engines, especially if
theres a grade involved.
Thanks!"


Steve and everyone: I refer you to YouTube, which is just chock full
of layout videos and other cool train stuff. Go to this address and
watch some of these impressively long trains, but pay special
attention at 4 minutes and 23 seconds on the time clock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICESx98bBUI


As to this though: >>Chris Zizzo, you are something else. We
sometimes don't know what, tho! Hee-Hee-Hee. REEEEE-lax. Deeeep
breaths. -- Tim Brown<<

Tim, what are you saying? I'm not excited or angry or anything. I
just wanted to point out some real issues regarding this project. I
also wanted to find out why there would be much interest in a car
that only existed as a single experimental unit that was rejected by
the railroad for which it was built. I would much rather see the
limited resources of the S-gauge manufacturing pool turn out cars
that actually were in service on American rails over a longer period
so that they could be adaptable to modelers who work in steam, in
transition, and in the more modern diesel eras. If there is an
economical way to make a limited production run of this auto-loader
top and market it with an existing flat car, I certainly have no
objection to it.

I have been in Don's ear myself several times, about producing a
modern covered auto-rack and articulated auto-rack pairs, but have
always heard that they're too modern and too long, meaning, they
won't have a broad enough appeal to modelers in older eras, and even
for the guys in the modern era, they won't make the curves.

Personally, I never liked the Lionel Auto-Loader (too old and too
short?), and it still doesn't appeal to me in it's corrected K-Line
form. I just found an auction of an HO version with the middle
support centered, re-establishing the Lionel error. It seems that
very few people have access to the prototype pix and drawings.
Athearn just copied Lionel.

I wish any S-gauge project the best of luck. It's a tough market in
which to sell and every product is a roll of the dice. Tooling up
and taking it to China may not be the answer here. Maybe this is
more of a boutique, low production run in urethane, American Hi-
Rail/Tom Hodgson sort of thing where the superstructure can be cast
to exactly fit flat cars supplied by SHS. Production will run
annoyingly behind demand, but that's a good thing because all the
product gets sold.

I'm going to convert and detail one of my Lionel three tier cars
(any day now . . . any day) and I'll happily post pix for all to
see. In fact, I'll start now with prototype pix and "before" pix.

"We sometimes don't know what, tho!" . . . Really?

Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 44600 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 7/13/2007
Subject: tca train trip
hope this comes thru.....we had fun..... bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44601 From: John Degnan Date: 7/13/2007
Subject: Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel variety
That K-Line car looks very nicely done. I wonder how it scales out?

Regardless... for a prototype that only ONE of which was built, this NYC car sure has been offered a great many times! Therefore, there's no reason why S scale shouldn't also have one!

I also have a handful of photos I could ad to that folder if possible.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: July 13, 2007 10:43 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel variety


As promised, I have posted a dozen pictures.
Look in the "Photos" link under "A" for "Auto-Racks"

Chris Zizzo

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44602 From: wf tracy Date: 7/13/2007
Subject: 314AW Tender Relay - Part# XA11011
I have had no luck finding anyone with the relay for the 314AW tender. I am told the part number is XA11011. Would anyone in this group happen to have one (new/used/rebuilt in good working condition)? Or, would anyone here know who has one. I have checked every site on the internet with no success and would be thankful if someone here could help. Thanks much!

Tracy


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44603 From: Rick Evans Date: 7/13/2007
Subject: NASG Dispatch
I still haven't got mine here in Calif. yet.
Any West-Coasters get their's??

Rick.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44604 From: RCESpeak Date: 7/14/2007
Subject: NASG Dispatch
Hi All,

Finally got my NASG Dispatch yesterday. And there is our own Stumpy
Stone on page 21 filling that engine with smoke fluid.

Way to go, Terry.... Barb
Group: S-Trains Message: 44605 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 7/14/2007
Subject: S Scale AUTO CARRIER
I might have this before. I built a two level " Evans " auto-loader,
on a die cast A.F. flat car, using 3/16 scale die cast cars. The load
very top heavy. I need some nice looking 3/16 plastic autos, to make car
stable. Any ideas on where I can purchase good 3/16 scale plastic
cars???
Jerry HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 44606 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 7/14/2007
Subject: DENVER
Well guys and gals..... I am back, SADLEY, as I had a great time..... Sorry to take up so much time but this is what happened..... I arrived there on Friday Night, the 22nd, late and of course Delta lost my bags.... All my clothes and CHECKED handguns, They found all on Saturday night...... Saturday I spend seeing the sights of Colorado Springs locally, Hobby shops, etc. On Sunday, rather than following the TCA trip crowd to PIKES PEAK, I drove it..... Boy these Rental SUVS won't slid around curves like my Corvette.... Almost lost it several times.... Spend 2 hours up there.... O2 short.... Then to Denver for the Hotel.... I then went out to Mikes home.... WOW.... great place..... Loved the telephone booth in the foyer..... His layout puts mine to shame..., Monday the GREAT Georgetown Loop trip, Tuesday the Ski Train Trip, Wed..... The mint, bought some GOLD, and visited most all the Hobby Shops, Thursday all the way to Cripple Creek and Victor..... Went to to Mollie Kath. mine.... 7 people squeesed into a steel cage the size of a Telephone booth for the 3 minute - 1000 feet drop into the ground.... Friday the show.... Was all right but not a lot of Flyer, Gary and Jim had a nice selection.... Friday night went to Jims home up in the mountains...... What a pile of Trains..... shelves full everywhere of Flyer trains...... AND THAT MILLION DOLLER VIEW!!!!!..... Sat.... ran around and went to the Banquet.... You can guess who got the PROTOTYPE Flat Car and Painting from the auction..... Now have 13 Prototypes....Sunday the Royal George trip..... Really neet too..... then back to the Hotel... Jumped in the car at 6:00 and headed for WYOMING..... Spent another week roaming the wilds.... climbing hills.... DUH.... HILLS..... The Trail Ridge was only 1/4 mile long by about 500 feet high..... I MADE IT TO THE TOP.... it took an hour..... But remember the base starting Elevation was OVER 11,500 FEET.... I ended up at 12,0005 feet.....I am used to breathing at SEA LEVEL.... Sat by the Big Horn River alone and watched the Fireworks..... So many things..... so many places...... Imagine driving for as much as 1/2 hour and not seeing another car or soal..... Ripped my arm open in Wyoming..... Held a pad on it till I got to the nearest town with Med Facilities...... about 100 miles..... They said they could see me the following morning...... So I went to the Grocery store and got some stuff and fixed my own arm..... will levae a scar..... My Heart Aches to RETURN....... Bob .. RCON7
PS.... IF ANY OF YOU SAW ME I WAS THE ONE WEARING THE BEANIE WITH THE PROPELLOR !!!!!!!!

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44608 From: John Degnan Date: 7/14/2007
Subject: Re: S Scale AUTO CARRIER
That is something that would possibly be dealt with if the model was produced... not sure yet. But I'm sure that something could be found.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...

----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Dobbs
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: July 14, 2007 10:11 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] S Scale AUTO CARRIER


I might have this before. I built a two level " Evans " auto-loader,
on a die cast A.F. flat car, using 3/16 scale die cast cars. The load
very top heavy. I need some nice looking 3/16 plastic autos, to make car
stable. Any ideas on where I can purchase good 3/16 scale plastic
cars???
Jerry HR77-11644


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44609 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 7/14/2007
Subject: DENVER....PS
When I got back to Jax..... DELTA HAD LOST MY BAGS AGAIN...... Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44610 From: WEG138@aol.com Date: 7/14/2007
Subject: Re: using Faller & Kirbi buildings ?
A European Company, Faller and Kirbi makes HO buildings. Does anyone know if
they can be used in S scale? They have windmills with motors that I am
interested in. Any advise will be greatly appreciated.

Bill Greaves



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44611 From: Bill Lane Date: 7/14/2007
Subject: I Won!
Hi All,

Lanes Trains won the Josh Seltzer S Scale website award! Thanks to all
that voted for me! It is sincerely appreciated! I have a lot of time
invested with more coming when I can.

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26
http://www.pennsysmodels.com

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE (for now) http://www.prslhs.com
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44612 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 7/14/2007
Subject: Re: DENVER....PS
Bob,

And you COMPLAIN about consistency???? Ya oughta be a NEXTEL subscriber.

Jim
Group: S-Trains Message: 44613 From: rlgriggs Date: 7/14/2007
Subject: Re: NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER-Lionel variety
I, too, have wanted a 'semi-modern' auto carrier car. So, I decided
to see what I could do to a Lionel 'O' 2-tier (2-deck) auto carrier
car, and convert it to 'S'.

I believe the Lionel 2-tier car has some possibilities, but their 3-
tier car is too high - IMHO.

If you go to my photo album at:
s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/rlgriggs/
and select Album: "Lionel 'O' to 'S' 2-Tier Car Carrier Conversion"
you will see my simple conversion. I think I could add some ladders
and steps to my version (maybe later), but I wanted to see what
the 'minimum' amount of effort would yield. Judge for yourself! :-)

Regards, Randy Griggs
Group: S-Trains Message: 44614 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/15/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/15/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44615 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 7/15/2007
Subject: DENVER Posted by: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" Date: Sat Jul 14,
Glad you made it home. Along with his trains, You did forget to mention
that Jim Marski has one of the largest collection of jeeps. At one of his
shows for Chrysler- Jeep Corp. he borrowed Nelly Bell ( the Jeep from
the Roy Rogers museum ). He also collects Fiesta ware among other things.
Jerry HR 77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 44616 From: John Degnan Date: 7/15/2007
Subject: APOLOGY : NEW MODEL, ANYONE? S Scale AUTO CARRIER Topic
My apologies to everyonhe on this list who had the misfortune of reading the trash between Larry Jackman and myself. I was not aware that he was already on moderation and that none of his replies were making it to the group, therefore, in defense of myself, I didn't consider making sure that my replies weren't going to the group, either. Everyone can rest assured that I will finish by battle with Larry, off-group.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44617 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 7/15/2007
Subject: Re: DENVER Posted by: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" Date: Sat Jul
Gerald.... In order to not writte an entire book.... I left out Jims GREAT collection of Jeeps..... Down to 30 from about 50..... 1 still hasn't been titled..... His vast collection of Fiesta wear in the Kitchen.... The Hugh TOTUM POLE in the Living Room amoung other things... His wife Peg is really nice..... she collects JIM's antics...... I also didn't include Mikes great Collection of JUKE BOXE, PIN BALL MACHINE, SLOT MACHINE, guns, post Civil war furniture, His sweet wife Ruths collection of little building all over the place....., All so very organized and neat..... both MUSEUMS of thier related items..... These 2 trips were worth the trip to Denver..... I really miss Debbie and a nice home life..... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Dobbs
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: rcon7@...
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 9:58 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] DENVER Posted by: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:01 am ((PDT))


Glad you made it home. Along with his trains, You did forget to mention
that Jim Marski has one of the largest collection of jeeps. At one of his
shows for Chrysler- Jeep Corp. he borrowed Nelly Bell ( the Jeep from
the Roy Rogers museum ). He also collects Fiesta ware among other things.
Jerry HR 77-11644




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44618 From: David Dewey Date: 7/15/2007
Subject: N ew model-auto carrier
Hi al!
It has been pointed out that this was a one-only car, and some question why
do such a rare piece in S. Well, TRADITION!! Huh???? Good ol' ACG did a
number of one-only items, the Royal Blue engine comes to mind. Also, the
Atlantic was a model with only a few prototypes!
Just had to put in a "little" humor/history/trivia into the mix!
Engage "Delete" key now.
:)
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44619 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/15/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/15/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44620 From: M.McConnell Date: 7/15/2007
Subject: S Scale AUTO CARRIER
Jerry,

If you open Don Heimburger's WEB site for the S-Gaugian
(http://www.heimburgerhouse.com/) and click on the "S-Scale Products" link,
you'll find an hyperlink for "S-Scale vehicles" near the top of the page.
Don makes resin replica's of 50's era cars. I happen to hold some in my
hand at the recent NASG convention. They are not bad detail-wise, and
fairly light. I wasn't impressed with the paint jobs on them, but that
should be easy to fix - and some fine brush work will bring out what detail
is molded in. A by product of these models, since the wheels are just
another molded detail, is they won't roll off the car on the
turns/starts/stops/(and wrecks if you're a bad engineer...)

At about 8 bucks a car they're not the cheapest, but since you're more
interested in saving weight, they might fit the bill.

Michael




>2a. S Scale AUTO CARRIER
> Posted by: "Gerald Dobbs" grdobbs@...
> Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:05 am ((PDT))
>
>I might have this before. I built a two level " Evans " auto-loader,
>on a die cast A.F. flat car, using 3/16 scale die cast cars. The load
>very top heavy. I need some nice looking 3/16 plastic autos, to make car
>stable. Any ideas on where I can purchase good 3/16 scale plastic
>cars???
>Jerry HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 44621 From: lember2004 Date: 7/15/2007
Subject: Help, please, with AF 720A switch maintenance
In going through a number of recently acquired 720A Gilbert AF
switches, I have encountered the following puzzling [to me] behavior.
I'm checking for continuity & potential voltage drops across each
switch. I put the frog in one of its positions, then measure the ohms
from where one rail "enters" the switch to where the approriate other
rail "leaves" the switch. If I move the frog to the other position and
then back again, and then re-measure between the same two rail ends -
rather than getting the same value I did before, the measurements
often differ by well more than the meter's error! For example, I may
get an acceptable 0.2 ohms and then get a voltage-drainung 3 ohms.
This is happening with several of the switches. The rails have been
cleaned and the two-pointed diamond-shaped contact underneath does not
show any apparent problem.
Any and all thoughts and ideas on what is occuring - and "cures" - are
welcomed and appreciated!
Mark
Group: S-Trains Message: 44622 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 7/15/2007
Subject: Flyonel Docksider
Anyone out there experiencing problems with the coupler set-up on their
Flyonel Docksider? My little UP docksider runs like a champ, but tends
to derail the car coupled to it (regardless of the kind/size/type of
car) when going around a corner. I suspect it has something to do with
the little leaf-type spring that is supposed to recenter the coupler.
Anyone else experiencing this and come up with a solution? Could it be
the spring will eventually loosen up a bit?
Jim E.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44623 From: John Degnan Date: 7/15/2007
Subject: Re: S Scale AUTO CARRIER
Michael, Thanks for posting that. I haven't noticed these vehicles before. That 1957 Chevy would fit the bill PERFECTLY for this car! So there we have yet another hurdle jumped toward seeing this car done! Great help, Michael... thanks again!

----- Original Message -----
From: M.McConnell
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: July 15, 2007 4:20 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] S Scale AUTO CARRIER


If you open Don Heimburger's WEB site for the S-Gaugian
(http://www.heimburgerhouse.com/) and click on the "S-Scale Products" link,
you'll find an hyperlink for "S-Scale vehicles" near the top of the page.
Don makes resin replica's of 50's era cars. I happen to hold some in my
hand at the recent NASG convention. They are not bad detail-wise, and
fairly light. I wasn't impressed with the paint jobs on them, but that
should be easy to fix - and some fine brush work will bring out what detail
is molded in. A by product of these models, since the wheels are just
another molded detail, is they won't roll off the car on the
turns/starts/stops/(and wrecks if you're a bad engineer...)

At about 8 bucks a car they're not the cheapest, but since you're more
interested in saving weight, they might fit the bill.

Michael

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44624 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 7/15/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Docksider
Yes the spring is the problem.
Replace the spring with one from a Lionel/AF Geep.

See this link.
http://www.tuveson.com/Docksider/docksiderReview.htm

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of hugoroundhouse
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 8:14 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel Docksider


Anyone out there experiencing problems with the coupler set-up on their
Flyonel Docksider? My little UP docksider runs like a champ, but tends
to derail the car coupled to it (regardless of the kind/size/type of
car) when going around a corner. I suspect it has something to do with
the little leaf-type spring that is supposed to recenter the coupler.
Anyone else experiencing this and come up with a solution? Could it be
the spring will eventually loosen up a bit?
Jim E.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44625 From: Doug Peck Date: 7/16/2007
Subject: Dispatch
I strongly suspect there are copyright issues involved here......maybe not for pictures, but certainly for articles!
Why not just join NASG and support the only all-S organization?

<<<<I dont get the dispatch ..so why doesnt someone post the pic in the
files along with the article so we can all read it ...>>>>>


Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
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http://www.flyerparts.com
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44626 From: JeryJones3@aol.com Date: 7/16/2007
Subject: Visit Cape Cod and enjoy S Gauge
Anyone in the Cape Cod area and looking to visit some trains will be most
welcome at the Nauset Model Railroad Club on Wednesday and Friday nights from
7-9 through the summer.

Come enjoy a 14 X 34 "S" Highrail layout and talk shop.

There are also HO, N and O gauge layouts so there is a lot to enjoy!!

We are located in Orleans underneath the HILLTOP PLAZA on Route 6A as you
come into town. It is right across from a bowling alley. When you come into
the parking lot follow the realroad signs.

WELCOME ABOARD!!!!!

Roy E. Jones III, President and avid "S".
Group: S-Trains Message: 44627 From: Bill Lane Date: 7/16/2007
Subject: Pine Canyon Models
Hi All,

I picked up some of my completed Pine Canyon Models structures
http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/s-scalekits.htm from my Buildings Guru
at the convention. Simply stunning! I have 1 Back Alley and will get the
others. I just bought the new 1 and 2 window storefronts.

I may be a bit late to this party but the more we support them the more kits
we will hopefully get. I have no layout in sight for at least the next 2
years and I am buying them.

Keep em coming Keith!

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26
http://www.pennsysmodels.com

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE (for now) http://www.prslhs.com
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

See my Altoona train videos here http://www.myspace.com/billlane
Group: S-Trains Message: 44628 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 7/16/2007
Subject: Robert Conner
My wife and I had a wedding to attend in Kenosha, Wisconsin, the week of the TCA Convention. Really hated to miss the convention since it was just down the road from Boulder, CO., where we live. Did however get a chance to meet Robert Conner and show him our American Flyer collection and lay-out. It helped take the sting out of missing the convention.

Mike Leahy
Boulder, CO.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44629 From: detmer@charter.net Date: 7/16/2007
Subject: Re: Dispatch
Hi all,

The same thought occurred to me that Doug mentioned. I would avoid copying the Dispatch materials onto the website. They may be forgiving and flexible but why do it? The NASG is reasonably priced and it is well worth the membership. I can highly recommend it and then there is no issue at all! And you can have your very own copy of Stumpy's picture to boot!! :)

Tom Detmer

---- Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote:
> I strongly suspect there are copyright issues involved here......maybe not for pictures, but certainly for articles!
> Why not just join NASG and support the only all-S organization?
>
> <<<<I dont get the dispatch ..so why doesnt someone post the pic in the
> files along with the article so we can all read it ...>>>>>
>
>
> Doug Peck
> Port Lines Hobby Supply
> 6 Storeybrooke Drive
> Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
> Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
> 978-465-8798
> 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
> http://www.sgaugetrains.com
> http://www.flyerparts.com
> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44630 From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build Date: 7/16/2007
Subject: Address Needed...
GUYS:
For those not in attendance at the Convention banquet/award ceremony/Bothwell auction extravaganza, NASG gave out the following awards to the following people:

Perles Award for S publication in a non-S magazine: Brooks Stover

Sandersfeld Award for excellence in manufacturing: Bill and Diane Wade of B.T.S.

Bernie Thomas Memorial Award for outstanding service and dedication to S: Stan Furmanak

Unfortunately, none of the recipients were able to attend the banquet though Bill and Stan were at the convention. I sent Stan's plaque home with Bill "Candy Bar" Fraley. I know Bill and Diane's address in WVa. I am, however, at a loss for an address to send Mr. Stover's plaque. If someone from the SE MI club would contact me off-list with that address, I'd be greatly appreciative. If, for many reasons, that's not possible, could one of the SE MI club members volunteer to deliver the plaque to Mr. Stover? In that instance, I'd need the member's address unless he/she is an NASG member whose name and address are in the current roster.
Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44631 From: Tim Brown Date: 7/16/2007
Subject: Dispatch
Hi All,

I'll chime in on this one as well. Maybe we all ought to take a moment
and say to ourselves, "What would Stumpy do"! Let's all make that our
mantra. "What would Stumpy do"!

Tim (I'm not as coherent as Stumpy) Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44632 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 7/16/2007
Subject: Musical Beer Train???
OK - here's a beer train that plays music, has operating boxcar panels,
frost mist off the cases of beer, neon paddlewheels and who knows what
else. The video quality is excellent even if the train isn't - but the
chrome really shines!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLewRDjswyA

Check it out!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 44633 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 7/16/2007
Subject: WAY OFF TOPIC MODEL AIRPLANE
I f any of you can, while wondering thru Hobby Shops, look and see if they have the Guillows B-29 Superfortress balsa model airplane kit..... Stick Model.....want 1 or 2..... Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44634 From: charlie and edith Date: 7/16/2007
Subject: Train Collection Disposal
Greetings! There has been some interest /requests for suggestions, over the past few months, on how one might go about disposing of anothers collections of trains. Having a "place" to start would be helpful to those who may face this problem in the future. If those of you in the "group" who have had some experience in this area would share your suggestions with me, I will try to put together a "list of suggestions" and post the list to the group. Please send your "suggestions" to: charlieandedith@.... Thanks and best wishes, Charlie

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44635 From: Ljack70117@comcast.net Date: 7/16/2007
Subject: Re: Musical Beer Train???
I thought said a beer train. Coors has not made a drop of beer in
their history.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left




On Jul 16, 2007, at 9:31 PM, Bull_Gator_1 wrote:

> OK - here's a beer train that plays music, has operating boxcar
> panels,
> frost mist off the cases of beer, neon paddlewheels and who knows what
> else. The video quality is excellent even if the train isn't - but
> the
> chrome really shines!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLewRDjswyA
>
> Check it out!
>
> BG1
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44636 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 7/16/2007
Subject: Re: Musical Beer Train???
Makes you want to pop a top on a Silver Bullet doesn't it? Now if MTH gets into the "S" market, this is a good place to start!
Jim E.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44637 From: Rick Evans Date: 7/16/2007
Subject: What would Stumpy do?
Kit-bash it!
Whatever it is!!

:^)


Hi All,

I'll chime in on this one as well. Maybe we all ought to take a moment
and say to ourselves, "What would Stumpy do"! Let's all make that our
mantra. "What would Stumpy do"!

Tim (I'm not as coherent as Stumpy) Brown



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44638 From: Chris Date: 7/17/2007
Subject: N ew model-auto carrier
The Duck Sez:
>>It has been pointed out that this was a one-only car, and some
question why do such a rare piece in S. Well, TRADITION!! Huh???? Good
ol' ACG did a number of one-only items, the Royal Blue engine comes to
mind. Also, the Atlantic was a model with only a few prototypes!<<<

Hey Duck, don't forget the Pennsy K-5, the Geep demonstrator, the Alco
PB, and I'm sure there are more if you put your mind to it.
CZ
Group: S-Trains Message: 44639 From: wjfraley Date: 7/17/2007
Subject: Fw: S Scale Yahoo Group Seminar 7-11-07 - 9:00 PM
----- Original Message -----
From: wjfraley
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 11:34 AM
Subject: S Scale Yahoo Group Seminar 7-11-07 - 9:00 PM


Hi,

Thought I should give our group a report on our "Third Yahoo S Scale List Seminar."

Our meeting was scheduled for 9:00 PM Wednesday evening ( 7-11-07) in the Fells Point 1 Room, Best Western Hotel & Convention Center in Baltimore, Md..

While we don't count the number of attendees, I had printed out 58 Commemorative cards and had two left over. Yes, once again, we had a wonderful turnout.

First up; Was everyone once again introducing themselves. I know previously, some thought this process should be eliminated, but the group once again wanted the introductions, we kept it as short as possible and I thought went very well.


Second up; was S Helper Service featuring Don Thompson and Mike Ferraro. Don took the floor for about at least 45 minutes and talked about SHS future projects; what was new, what they were not presently going to do, answering questions, giving the why's and why not's of each question. (I'm sorry to say I was not taking notes, but am hoping those on the list can give us the details on SHService's future projects.)

Third up; I gave a brief talk on Brooks Stover's new "Buffalo Creek and Gauley DVD" and handed out brochures. Buffalocreeksteam@... Folks, I have the DVD and it is awesome, done in Brooks Stover's style of doing things.
It is 25 minutes and only $20.00 = $4.00 S&H.

Fourth up; Was Ken Zieska, and his excellent presentation of the Minnesota Heartland Model Railroad club and its members, their model workmanship. Very impressive! This group is really into S Scale model railroading and will be holding our 50th Anniversary NASG Convention.

In conclusion, Hershey Milk Chocolate candy bars were handed out.
Of note; Guest speakers were awarded a bag of the new Hershey Dark Chocolate Kisses.

A Special "Thank You" to all who helped me get through the meeting.

Well, folks, I guess this is it till' the next time!
LOve and Kisses,
Bill

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44640 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 7/17/2007
Subject: SOME NASG CONVENTION LAYOUTS
I have built a website of some
of the layouts that I saw at
the convention. I was not able
to make the house tours but these
are various modular layouts for ideas.
http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/NASG07LAYOUTS.html

Glenn

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44641 From: wjfraley Date: 7/17/2007
Subject: NASG 2007 Baltimore Convention
Hi,
Just sending you a special "Thank You" for your convention work.
It was well done, and in spite of the hotel's problems, all of you remained cool and worked your way through it.

Those who could attend, but missed out on the convention, you missed a really good time. The large vendor room was full of "S"tuff!
I can't think of anything that I didn't enjoy. It was very nice socializing with my friends across the nation, everyone was so pleasant.
I also got a kick out of Bill Lane receiving his award at the banquet when he blurted out "Gosh! this proves you all do like me!"
Hey, you gotta like Bill and Donna! Yes, and Jamie Bothwell was as "Nutty" as usual, Jamie got the max out of the "S"tuff he had to auction off and we all had a good laugh in him doing his thing, especially the free Bohemian B--R!!

I'm still marveling at the enthusiasm you all expelled! That certainly was a plus, and should teach us who are losing ours, that S Gauge model railroading is supposed to be FUN!

Dave Blum's dry sense of humor threw me off, I actually at times thought he was serious! Tsk! Tsk!

Nice work, everyone!
Thanks again,
Bill Fraley

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44642 From: louis glumac Date: 7/18/2007
Subject: WTB 24566
hi ,looking for flat cars #24566 with out the loads. email me at lglumac@... thanks lou

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44643 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/18/2007
Subject: Historian's corner
In the July TCA quarterly, someone writes about some Lionel items he saw in the back of a truck and how he got these things at what I assume was at a great price, as he mentions the items.

As a collector of AF, I have no clue of anything Lionel, only that it is too big and has a third rail on the track. O:)!

I am sure there are some others in the TCA who have no idea what the items this person got are.

Maybe someone could explain the significance of a Lionel #42 engine, and anything else in the piece, like the #7 caboose. When where they made, how desirable are they, etc.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44644 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/19/2007
Subject: TCA Quarterly cover
Look closely at the Quarterly cover this month and see if you can pick out the sick humor of someone. LOL

I asked my wife to search the cover and she could not pick it out until I gave her a clue from a old cartoon show, Rocky and Bullwinkle.

Now I think that might of gave it away.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44645 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 7/19/2007
Subject: Re: TCA Quarterly cover
I think you are wrong Mike.
That is the old Gilbert
accessory "Girl on the Track".
Now you have me trying
to remember the clumsy
mounted policeman of course
it was "Dudley Do Right".

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Ralph Loveless
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 6:19 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] TCA Quarterly cover


Look closely at the Quarterly cover this month and see if you can pick out the sick humor of someone. LOL

I asked my wife to search the cover and she could not pick it out until I gave her a clue from a old cartoon show, Rocky and Bullwinkle.

Now I think that might of gave it away.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44646 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 7/19/2007
Subject: Mrs. Trail (Julie Ann Gilbert)
(Not sure if this made it, as I was having problems with bouncing email at Yahoo)


In the July TCA Quarterly is a very nice 5 page writing by the oldest daughter of AC Gilbert, Jr.

Very sad, how she was not allowed to play with any of the toys that the company made, as she wanted to.

It seems that AC Gilbert and Lionel did not really market anything to girls, as she wrote that was the times, for the company, making only things for boys, but maybe if they got on the bandwagon of making toys for girls, as we know there is a big market for that, maybe that might of help the Gilbert company with more sales and economies of scale in getting materials and shipping. Gee, something I learn in Economic and I finally got to use it!

I wrote that awhile back, that Harry Truman's daughter wanted a train for Christmas and never got it. My wife played with many of her brother's toys. So, it seems that these companies missed out on a big market for sales.

Interesting about the "vibrator" Gilbert made for relaxing of muscle and helping in many marriages. Her words, not mine!

But reading the story and the life the Gilbert's had overall, it seems they did very well overall, as they basically where big in New Haven, like royalty. But then, I believe profits for the company where small, if any, in many years, as revenue was coming in, it could of paid for their life style, before bills where paid, as that happens in many business. But I don't think that happen with the Gilbert's, but it makes one wonder, when you hear how bad things where for the company. But also, it seems that most of the homes they had probably where from earlier times, pre-1950, when things where good.

So, their is a AC Gilbert the 3rd. I wonder if there is a AC Gilbert IV?

By the way, July 20, is Mrs. Trail's birthday according to the AC Giblert Heritage book I have, that is out of print.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44647 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 7/19/2007
Subject: Re: Mrs. Trail (Julie Ann Gilbert)
When we went on the tours of
the Gilbert Factory in New Haven
with John & Robin Vanacore it
was pointed out that A.C. Gilbert
had a separate factory next
door to the main buildings
to make girl's toys in the
late 50s and early 60s.
Toy sewing machines, etc.
So girls were not completely
left out.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER
To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:17 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Mrs. Trail (Julie Ann Gilbert)




In the July TCA Quarterly is a very nice 5 page writing by the oldest daughter of AC Gilbert, Jr.

Very sad, how she was not allowed to play with any of the toys that the company made, as she wanted to.

It seems that AC Gilbert and Lionel did not really market anything to girls, as she wrote that was the times, for the company, making only things for boys, but maybe if they got on the bandwagon of making toys for girls, as we know there is a big market for that, maybe that might of help the Gilbert company with more sales and economies of scale in getting materials and shipping. Gee, something I learn in Economic and I finally got to use it!

I wrote that awhile back, that Harry Truman's daughter wanted a train for Christmas and never got it. My wife played with many of her brother's toys. So, it seems that these companies missed out on a big market for sales.

Interesting about the "vibrator" Gilbert made for relaxing of muscle and helping in many marriages. Her words, not mine!

But reading the story and the life the Gilbert's had overall, it seems they did very well overall, as they basically where big in New Haven, like royalty. But then, I believe profits for the company where small, if any, in many years, as revenue was coming in, it could of paid for their life style, before bills where paid, as that happens in many business. But I don't think that happen with the Gilbert's, but it makes one wonder, when you hear how bad things where for the company. But also, it seems that most of the homes they had probably where from earlier times, pre-1950, when things where good.

So, their is a AC Gilbert the 3rd. I wonder if there is a AC Gilbert IV?

By the way, July 20, is Mrs. Trail's birthday according to the AC Giblert Heritage book I have, that is out of print.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44648 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 7/19/2007
Subject: Re: Mrs. Trail (Julie Ann Gilbert)
She is a very nice lady, Mike. I met her and chatted with her at FFW. Gilbert
made more than one Vibrator, by the way.

Steve
Group: S-Trains Message: 44649 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/19/2007
Subject: Re: Mrs. Trail (Julie Ann Gilbert)
Steve,

She sounded like a real nice lady, the way she wrote the article about her life growing.

And we all should wish her a happy birthday tomorrow! July 20, as that is the day of the moon landing in 1969, no connection, but there was allot of space theme items by both Lionel and AF.

Mike Marmer

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mrs. Trail (Julie Ann Gilbert)


She is a very nice lady, Mike. I met her and chatted with her at FFW. Gilbert made more than one Vibrator, by the way.

Steve
Group: S-Trains Message: 44650 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/19/2007
Subject: Re: Mrs. Trail (Julie Ann Gilbert)
I forgot to write even though Gilbert made sewing machines for girls, you would think they would have more items for girls, like dolls, etc.

My wife said that toys for girls where boring, not like guns and trains!

Mike Marmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 44651 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/19/2007
Subject: Re: Mrs. Trail (Julie Ann Gilbert)
Glenn,

Thanks for that information, as the way she wrote, it sounded like Gilbert made nothing for girls.

Mike Marmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 44652 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/19/2007
Subject: Re: TCA Quarterly cover
Glenn,

LOL

Yes, if I said Dudley Do Right, that would of really gave it away, but you got it right away.

Mike Marmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 44653 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 7/20/2007
Subject: Brooks Stover's Outstanding DVD on Buffalo Creek and Gauley
I received the new DVD from Brooks Stover today and immediately started
watching it. Now after the third viewing, I am still amazed at how realistic the
scenery and operation are. It is an incredible layout and an incredible video.
Brooks narrates the history of the road and each location, complete with
prototype photos compared to the model scenes. The detail is incredible. And
the sounds of the steamers and a diesel, plus sounds of the coal mine and of a
lumber saw.

Even though the layout uses AM code 148 track and turnouts, it is a layout
any scaler would be proud to display.

And its really neat that Brooks has a model of a unique railroad that he
loves, if only from memory and exhaustive research. And he uses the video to
promote the creation of a rebuild of the railroad as a tourist line. I hope the
day comes when we can get a chance to ride that railroad.

Congratulations to Brooks Stover on a one of a kind accomplishment!

- Earl Henry, Nashville



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44654 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 7/20/2007
Subject: TCA Quarterly cover
Sick humor? Why not? Fun is where you find it! I guess the
operating accesory "School Bus on Track" would seem a little sick to
you guys! Especially when it uses two Cow on Track units with half a
bus on each one and tiny rubber "students" that spill out all over the
track. :-)
Of course, if you're a 28 year former school guy, you may feel
differently!
Stumpy Stone...wild in Appalachia!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44655 From: bw_hansen Date: 7/20/2007
Subject: Code 125 vs 148
Are there any performance differences between Code 125 and Code 148
rail on a hi-rail layout? I want to run both scale and AF on some of
the same tracks. Thanks.

Bruce
Group: S-Trains Message: 44656 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 7/21/2007
Subject: Code 125 vs. code 148
I have no problem with code 125 railed track from S Helper. All my
strange mix of equipment runs on it, scale, and Flyer compatable. I
even run my old Flyer 0-8-0 on the SHS flex track down to 15" radius.
I used both the sectional track with the roadbed and the flextrack
with equal success. When "buried" in ballast and ground foam, the
flex track can even pass for code 100, as I have fooled people at
train shows by doing just that!
Code 125 seems to be as low a rail height as I can go with old
Flyer wheels and still operate reliably on my train show layouts.
Stumpy Stone....mini layout builder, kit basher, deranged player
with trains...Martins Ferry, OH.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44657 From: Donald Thompson Date: 7/21/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Brooks Stover's Outstanding DVD on Buffalo Creek
Dear Earl,
Robin and I hosted the monthly CJSS (Central Jersey S Scalers)
meeting last night. After the barbecue I loaded Brook's outstanding DVD
in the player and showed it to our group. As the video progressed, I
noticed several wives peaking in the doorway to see what was going on.
One remarked that she though we were watching real trains on TV. The
Tsunami sound sounds in our 2-8-0 is something else. And to hear the
echo of the chuffs and whistles as the steamers are coming through
Brook's mountains it is a real treat. I reminds me of being at my
parents place in the country and hearing consolidation #60 coming going
to Ringoes on the Black River and Western about a mile from their house.
Lots of nice memories.
This is by far the best layout video I have seen in any scale. The
voice over really helps capture the allure of the Buffalo Creek and
Gauley. I believe this is a must see for all S Gaugers. I plan on
making the pilgrimage to Brooks next week while I am at the NMRA
convention. I wonder if we can show this at our booth. I think it can
be a great promotional tool for our scale.
Best,
Don
Group: S-Trains Message: 44658 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 7/21/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Brooks Stover's Outstanding DVD on Buffalo ...
I emailed Brooks to inquire whether these were SHS locos. This is how he
responded:


"As for your questions: Yes, the track and turnouts are American Models code
148. Both of the steam locomotives (#4 and #13) are SHS Consolidations
detailed to match the BC&G prototypes. The locomotives, by the way, are SUPERB in
both operation and appearance. They completely changed the character of my
layout and have inspired even more detail in my modeling efforts elsewhere."

-
- Earl Henry, Nashville






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Group: S-Trains Message: 44659 From: David Date: 7/21/2007
Subject: Prewar Set #1219
I have a small prewar set #1219 with an electric outline #1218 electric
engine, #1306 Pullman and #1205 baggage/mail car.

Does anyone know which AF flyer catalog showed this set?? My 1928
catalogue shows a later model so I assume it's before 1928.

Thanks for your help...David
Group: S-Trains Message: 44660 From: G C Date: 7/21/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3732
Regarding the track code preference question that was posed by Bruce, I have an additional thought(?) myself. If one were to hand lay code 125 rail with the intent/desire to run both scale and AF, would the AF wheels then bounce along the spikes? To my knowledge SHS code 125 track does not have spike heads molded in that would interfere with AF wheels rolling along the rail. I have read in previous posts that code 125 is sufficient for AF. Is this statement entirely true across the board?

Gene Cimino




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44661 From: Donald Thompson Date: 7/21/2007
Subject: Re: Blatant Advertisement - BC&G DVD]
Posted on the S scale e-gourp by Brooks Stover regarding his DVD.
Best,
Don

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: {S-Scale List} Blatant Advertisement - BC&G DVD
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:35:46 -0000
From: "bcgsteam" <bcgsteam@...>
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com



Since there have recently been some postings about the DVD I have just
completed of my BC&G layout, I thought I should provide some
information, should anyone be interested. Thanks to several members of
the chat group who offered their input on improvements from the draft
to the final version including Don Thompson, Tim Brown and Bill Lane.
I'd also like to thank Bill Fraley for mentioning the DVD at the
recent Baltimore convention.

I have made a 25-minute DVD ("BUFFALO CREEK & GAULEY, An 'S' Scale
Model Railrod by Brooks Stover")of my layout in the style of a railfan
touring the railroad for a day or so. It features coal trains, log
trains and the BC&G's Mack Railbus in action over the entire layout.
All the scenes are 100% sceniced and all the motive power includes
sound. The sounds of the SHS Consolidations with the Tsunami
Soundtraxx modules is particularly nice. The sawmill and coal mine
sounds are provided by Miller Models sound modules. I've done what I
would consider a mild voice-over, providing enough information to
inform the viewer as to what's being shown and also give a little
history of the railroad. I was fortunate enough to have recently
ridden a Fairmont speeder on the 14 miles of remaining track so was
able to incorporate some "what's there now" comments, as well. I've
included prototype photos in a couple of places and then faded to the
same scene on the layout.

There is a wide variety of scenes from low angle run-bys, to
switching, to scenes taken from vantage points "up on the hillsides".
I've tried to compose the scenes as they might have been filmed on the
prototype. Closeups of some of the more prominent structures are
included and all four of the towns served by the BC&G are seen. A
track plan of the layout is printed on the case. The entire DVD was
professionally edited and blended.

I am offering the DVD's for $20 plus $4 shipping. This is my cost.
I'm doing this to promote "S" modeling and the BC&G in general.
Basically I started out to make the video to show the layout to some
folks who are trying to start a small tourist line on the former BC&G
right-of-way and the project grew out of hand! If you are interested,
contact me at buffalocreekmodels@...
<mailto:buffalocreekmodels%40comcast.net> or bcgsteam@...
<mailto:bcgsteam%40yahoo.com>.
Payment can be by check or PayPal.

I would like to thank Don Thompson, Tim Brown and Earl Henry for their
positive comments about the DVD recently posted on this site. I'll
look forward to seeing any of you who might be attending the NMRA
convention this week!




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44662 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/22/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/22/2007, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44663 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 7/22/2007
Subject: Re;Digest number 3732
The SHS track has molded on tie strips with tiny lugs holding it to
the rail every few ties. These would be about the same size as a
spike, I would imagine, since both are used to hold rails to ties.
On the other hand, I'm one of those guys who has better things to
do with my time than to hand lay track when great track is availible.
I have trains to butcher! :-)
Stumpy Stone...Have Dremel, Will Travel...Eastern Ahia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44664 From: wjfraley Date: 7/22/2007
Subject: Brooks Stover's Buffalo Creek and Gauley on DVD
Dear S Gauge friends.
This is a terrific model railroad DVD and Brooks models in Hi Rail, but you won't believe the details!
Enjoy,
Bill Fraley
Group: S-Trains Message: 44665 From: Dennis Back Date: 7/22/2007
Subject: Interesting & Disappointing Toy Train article
A friend just sent me an article on the future of toy
train collecting.

http://www.auctionbytes.com/cab/abu/y207/m07/abu0195/s07

It brings up some interesting points. But ONCE AGAIN,
we are snubbed when the author says that he thinks "O"
is better suited for young children than "HO", with no
mention of S gauge.

He's a TCA member and you would THINK that he might
have at least HEARD of "S" !!!!!!

Arrrrrrrrgh!!!!!!!

I don't post much, but this has me bristling. I'm
going to email the author.

Dennis



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44666 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/22/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/22/2007, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44668 From: Greene, Michael Date: 7/22/2007
Subject: 2008 NASG National Convention Web site available
For those unable to attend the 2007 NASG National Convention in
Baltimore earlier this month (very enjoyable convention -- thanks
BAAFC!), the 2008 NASG National Convention web site is now available
at http://www.nasg2008.com

All of the available 2008 Convention information (brochure,
registration form, dealer form, convention car order form,
preliminary schedule, etc.) can be viewed and downloaded there. And
the Convention Preview video is also available for viewing.

We will also be expanding the site to include links to other
attractions of interest in the New England area for those planning
trip with extra time. And of course convention updates will be posted
to the site as available.

We hope to see you in at the 2008 National Convention in Lowell, MA.

Regards
Michael

PS Register early to have the most opportunities to win in our early
registrants drawings!

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Michael Greene Dunstable, MA, USA

NASG 2008 National Convention, Aug 5-10, 2008, Lowell, MA

National Assoc. of S Gaugers http://www.nasg2008.com
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44669 From: wjfraley Date: 7/22/2007
Subject: Corection on Brooks Stover's adress
Made an error on my previous message on Brooks Stover

Below are the correct address'

"buffalocreeksteam@..." and
"bcgsteam@..."

"S"ee Ya,
Bill.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44670 From: roy inman Date: 7/22/2007
Subject: FW: Auction bytes column-Help requested
Hi all;

Here is a response I received from Chuck Conley regarding his column about
trains in the online Auction Bytes e-zine.

I am forwarding this to the list hoping that someone can speak with more
authority than I.

To whomever: Please just forward on to Chuck the information he is
requesting. Looks as though we might get a little cyber press for Flyer and
ACG.

Thanks :)

Roy Inman

----------
From: Nepacer@...
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 23:32:53 -0400 (EDT)
To: rinphoto@...
Subject: Re: Auction bytes column


Roy,

Although I still personally favor O gauge, you are right about that, and I
will follow up with another article about S gauge and American Flyer trains.

Since you clearly have some experience here, maybe you could help me, or at
least suggest someone I could contact, in an area where I've been having
some difficulty finding authoritative information: Do you happen to know
when American Flyer / Gilbert manufactured Standard gauge and O gauge
trains?

Thanks and regards,
Chuck Conley


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44671 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 7/23/2007
Subject: Help
My Friend"S"

I'm chewing on a couple of bashing projects in 1:64 (and 1:24) and I need some help.

I'd like to obtain an electronic version (to avoid postage) of scaled or measured drawings (front and right or left side) of the following standard gauge locomotives:

GE 44-tonner
GE 45-tonner
GE 70-tonner.

Actual size of the drawing is not important and these do not have to be terribly detailed - just have basic measurements shown or a scale on the drawing so I can adjust the drawings to 1:64 and 1:24 scale.

THNX,
Keep in touch!

Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@...
Sn42 and Hn42 river logging fan
Virginian Rwy fan
Bonsai grasshopper
Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44673 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 7/23/2007
Subject: Re: PREVENTING SHORTA IN THE AM NORTHERN
See this link for photo of where the insulators are located.
http://www.tuveson.com/800northern/rodinsulators.htm

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Allen Evans
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 7:06 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] PREVENTING SHORTA IN THE AM NORTHERN



The small plastic washers and spacers used on the Northern are critical
components which prevent electricity from being carried from the drivers
through the rods and then the boiler of the loco. Without them, the
left set of wheels will be shorted to the right set.

If you find yourself working on an AM Northern, be particularly
sensitive to the use of plastic washers. The small philips screw that
holds the connecting rod assembly together requires a plastic washer.
If you lose it a KayDee 802 coupler box cover can be altered to serve as
a replacement. Just use the existing hole and drive the screw through
it, then trim away the excess.



Allen Evans

Crescent City S Gaugers

New Orleans, Louisiana









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Group: S-Trains Message: 44675 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 7/23/2007
Subject: Re: PREVENTING SHORTA IN THE AM NORTHERN ( Correction! )
OOPs I should learn to read the message!

I posted the similar issue for the AF Northern not realizing that
Allen posted the AM Northern issue.

Sorry bout that.

Well now we know about both Northerns.

Carl


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Tuveson" <carl@...> wrote:
>
> See this link for photo of where the insulators are located.
> http://www.tuveson.com/800northern/rodinsulators.htm
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of Allen Evans
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 7:06 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] PREVENTING SHORTA IN THE AM NORTHERN
>
>
>
> The small plastic washers and spacers used on the Northern are
critical
> components which prevent electricity from being carried from the
drivers
> through the rods and then the boiler of the loco. Without them, the
> left set of wheels will be shorted to the right set.
>
> If you find yourself working on an AM Northern, be particularly
> sensitive to the use of plastic washers. The small philips screw
that
> holds the connecting rod assembly together requires a plastic
washer.
> If you lose it a KayDee 802 coupler box cover can be altered to
serve as
> a replacement. Just use the existing hole and drive the screw
through
> it, then trim away the excess.
>
>
>
> Allen Evans
>
> Crescent City S Gaugers
>
> New Orleans, Louisiana
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.AmericanFlyerTrains.com
> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too!
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://S-Scale.org/albums
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44676 From: lember2004 Date: 7/23/2007
Subject: follow-up to request for help with inconsistant 720A switch resista
I was finding inconsistant - and often relatively high - resistance
[and therefore voltage drop] across a number of recently acquired
720A switches. I asked for help remedying this.
Several group member were kind enough to reply. Prior to my
posting, I had also read articles by Tom Jarcho [date unkown] in S-
Gaugian and by David Dewey [in the NASG newsletters of 2/02 & 4/02]
on switch maintenance.
Based on this info and the experimenting I have now done on more
than two dozen switches, the following has worked to achieve both
low and consistant resistance readings across the switch and also
between the frog and rails:
1. in addition to cleaning the track & frog top surface, clean the
sides of the frog & the sides of the inside rails where they make
contact;
2. after removing the bottom covers,
a. clean the 4 plates that the points on the diamond-shaped piece
make contact with; I do this in a two step process that first
involves scrubbing with non-metallic ScotchBrite and then using Q-
tips to polish away the grit and oil loosened by the ScotchBrite.
b. carefully remove the screw holding the diamond in place; clean
the under side of the head of the screw, the edges around the hole
the screw goes in, and the diamond points; then re-assemble, being
sure the screw sets fully into the hole & doesn't hang up on the
screw's shoulder.
3. if after steps 1 & 2 there is still a large amount of resistance
across the switch where it should be low, check the resistance
beteen the associated rails and the electrically active brackets
that both hold those rails in place and connect to wires underneath;
you will likely find one or more brackets that needs tightening or a
drop of solder between bracket and rail. {I understand the switch
base itself can't take much heat before distorting, so its best not
to solder long.}
As always, thanks for the help!
Mark
Group: S-Trains Message: 44677 From: Phil K Date: 7/23/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Auction bytes column-Help requested
Roy --

Done.

Phil K



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all;
>
> Here is a response I received from Chuck Conley regarding his
column about
> trains in the online Auction Bytes e-zine.
>
> I am forwarding this to the list hoping that someone can speak with
more
> authority than I.
>
> To whomever: Please just forward on to Chuck the information he is
> requesting. Looks as though we might get a little cyber press for
Flyer and
> ACG.
>
> Thanks :)
>
> Roy Inman
>
> ----------
> From: Nepacer@...
> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 23:32:53 -0400 (EDT)
> To: rinphoto@...
> Subject: Re: Auction bytes column
>
>
> Roy,
>
> Although I still personally favor O gauge, you are right about
that, and I
> will follow up with another article about S gauge and American
Flyer trains.
>
> Since you clearly have some experience here, maybe you could help
me, or at
> least suggest someone I could contact, in an area where I've been
having
> some difficulty finding authoritative information: Do you happen
to know
> when American Flyer / Gilbert manufactured Standard gauge and O
gauge
> trains?
>
> Thanks and regards,
> Chuck Conley
>
>
> **************************************
> Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at
> http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44678 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 7/24/2007
Subject: Good News, Pine Canyon Advert
Hi Friends,

We have had positive results on our new Cruising Main style 1 kits.
Remember,those generic brick stores that fit any town? We did not see
as many go out the door as expected, but considering the time of year
and the magazine ads have not been sent in yet, they did ok. We want to
say Thank You to those who supported this project. As a result, style 2
is in the works. It will probably be a couple more months before style
2 is on the shelf. We already have the prototype chosen for style 2.
However, if you have pics or ideas for future styles, please email them
to us directly. We will send a free kit to anyone who sends in a photo
that we actually use for a kit. I can't remember who sent the photos
with a bus in the window that we will be using for style 2. Hopefully
he will let us know who he is. I gotta keep better track of these
things in the future!
Keep having fun with S,
Keith Blanchard and the Pine Canyon Crew
http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/s-scalekits.htm
Group: S-Trains Message: 44679 From: Paul Yorke Date: 7/24/2007
Subject: Back from Alaska - Whitepass RR
Got back from Alaska last weekend.
Here is a link to my Whitepass RR album.
http://paulyorke.com/gallery2/main.php/v/trips/alaska07/wprr/

Feel free to browse the eagles, bears and whales.
http://paulyorke.com/gallery2/main.php/v/trips/alaska07/

Paul Yorke
Indiantown Fl


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44680 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 7/24/2007
Subject: Re: Back from Alaska - Whitepass RR
Great Pictures, Paul.

Believe it or not, that is a trip my wife and two sisters have made while on a cruise to Alaska with my mother. Although I have been to Alaska a couple of times, I have never made it to Skagway, so that is a trip that I, as yet, have been unable to enjoy.

Thanks for sharing your albums.

Alan

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Yorke
To: slist
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 5:58 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Back from Alaska - Whitepass RR

Got back from Alaska last weekend.
Here is a link to my Whitepass RR album.
http://paulyorke.com/gallery2/main.php/v/trips/alaska07/wprr/

Feel free to browse the eagles, bears and whales.
http://paulyorke.com/gallery2/main.php/v/trips/alaska07/

Paul Yorke
Indiantown Fl


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44681 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 7/26/2007
Subject: Mod your ACG for DCC, add smoke to a non smoker, Royal Blue, photos
Good Day all;

In the spirit of complete fun, I recently modded my Royal Blue to DCC,
and rolled in an electronic smoke unit.

This is my 7th DCC conversion to my stable, this one gets Loksound v3.5
DCC and an MTH electronic smoke unit. Pulls 4 cars up my 5% grade,
runs like a champ, perhaps a little too much smoke, may have to do one
final mod. This is my 3rd electronic smoke unit install, works very
nice. There are several smke unit layouts on MTH smoke units, this one
has the blower motor at the rear, other pn's have it up next to the
smoke chamber. This one works fine in the RB, but a Hudson needs one
with the blower up front further to clear the chassis, methinks. (I
did a hudson with Tsunami prior to this one)

Anyway, pics just added in the photos section, check em out before
Yahoo deletes em! They are in a album with Royal Blue in the title.

cheers
Phil D
Group: S-Trains Message: 44682 From: Tim Brown Date: 7/26/2007
Subject: Re: Mod your ACG for DCC, add smoke to a non smoker, Royal Blue, ph
Hi all,

I here-by nominate Phil Dunlop for the Stumpy Stone award par
excellence! That is one tricked-out RB, Phil! You are an inspiration
and a credit to the gauge. Are those throttle-controlled marker lights
I see on the rear of that tender? Is that an extra pick-up wiper on
those tender wheels? Are those magnets on the smoke gear? Have you
sync'd up the chuff with the smoke on that MTH smoke box? Brilliant!
Are those curved-on-curved homemade crossovers I see? This is
siiiiiiiick, brother and I mean that in a GOOD way! You are the Grand
Poobah of S Gauge rehab! So what have you done for us lately? Heh-Heh-
Heh.

Tim (I'm not as coherent as Stumpy, nor apparently as talented as Phil)
Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44683 From: Don Rodgers Sr. Date: 7/27/2007
Subject: Re: Email
Once again, I don't seem to be getting email from the group. Thanks, Don

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44684 From: Don Rodgers Sr. Date: 7/27/2007
Subject: Re: TEST
No mail ???

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44685 From: Ingram-Jim-sListservers Date: 7/27/2007
Subject: --YouTube: Baltimore NASG Layout Tours
There is a 4-part AMATEUR YouTube video series, showing "bits and
pieces" from the Layout Tours from the 2007 NASG Convention in
Baltimore MD. ((There is also a Quicktime video, that contains the
same contents as the 4 YouTube segments.))

LINKS:
* Pt 1/4: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZdmOTsOvK2o - Layouts #1 & #2,
Bob D. & Walt W.
* Pt 2/4: http://youtube.com/watch?v=8rPTZeGFW1Q - Layouts #3 & #5,
Ed S & Dave V.
* Pt 3/4: http://youtube.com/watch?v=FKqOcv0l4yw - Layout #6, Sam P.
* Pt 4/4: http://youtube.com/watch?v=7bpboA0chRE - Layout #7, Dave A.
------
* http://track2.com/video/railvid/mv053.baafc.layouts2007.shtml --
Quicktime Video containing all 33 minutes
* http://RailVideo.org -- forwarding domain name to the 1st YouTube
video, Pt 1/4.
* http://RailVideos.org -- web page containing all of the first 5
links listed above.


>X<>X<>X<>X<>X<>X<>X<>X<>X<>X<>X<>X<>X<>X<>X<>X<>X<>X<
COMMENTS-1:

Note that the YouTube text description contains the links to go from
1 YouTube video to the next. ((It's divided into 4 parts, due to
YouTube's 10-minute length limitation.))
Also, you can use the forwarding domain name 'RailVideo.org' to
get to the 1st YouTube video, if you don't have this email with the
links, but you can remember 'RailVideo.org'

The layouts are identified by the owners first and name and last
initial -- to protect the owners' privacy.

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COMMENTS-2:

This video was taken during a bus tour, so there are lots of "heads"
in the video. And if that wasn't enough of a handicap, the "focus"
button on the camcorder somehow got bumped to "manual", so some of
the close-ups -- until I figured out what was wrong -- are not in
good focus.

Note that layout #4 on the tour, Howard Zanes HO layout, is not
included in this video. Only the six S gauge layouts are included.
((If you do a YouTube search on "howard zane", you will find a video
that a user named 'hzane1' has made for his layout.))

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Thanks. - Jim Ingram
570-477-2520 Voice Mail, Williamsport PA <http://www.track2.com>
Macintosh G4/OS 10.4
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44686 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 7/27/2007
Subject: Re: Mod your ACG for DCC, add smoke to a non smoker, Royal Blue, ph
hehe;

Stop, you're making me blush. Yes to all your questions, but my
crossovers are no where as elegant as your trackage!

thanks, and cheers

phil d
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I here-by nominate Phil Dunlop for the Stumpy Stone award par
> excellence! That is one tricked-out RB, Phil! You are an
inspiration
> and a credit to the gauge. Are those throttle-controlled marker
lights
> I see on the rear of that tender? Is that an extra pick-up wiper
on
> those tender wheels? Are those magnets on the smoke gear? Have
you
> sync'd up the chuff with the smoke on that MTH smoke box?
Brilliant!
> Are those curved-on-curved homemade crossovers I see? This is
> siiiiiiiick, brother and I mean that in a GOOD way! You are the
Grand
> Poobah of S Gauge rehab! So what have you done for us lately? Heh-
Heh-
> Heh.
>
> Tim (I'm not as coherent as Stumpy, nor apparently as talented as
Phil)
> Brown
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44687 From: Bill Lane Date: 7/27/2007
Subject: Lanes Trains Website Update
Hi All,

I have added a new page for some of the NASG conventions and Central Jersey
S Scalers Get Togethers I have attended.
http://www.lanestrains.com/Conventions.htm Please give in a look. There are
over 150 new photos. I will go back and add photos of the PRR Conventions
and Railroad Prototype Modelers Meets as well. I have to take a break from
the website stuff! I will be adding a few new diesels to the diesel page
soon.

Feel free to email me if there is a broken or incorrect link.

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com
Winner of the 2007 Josh Seltzer NASG Website Award
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26
http://www.pennsysmodels.com

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE (for now) http://www.prslhs.com
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

See my Altoona train videos here http://www.myspace.com/billlane



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44688 From: Art Kimmel Date: 7/27/2007
Subject: 2007 COSG Timken Tanker
Has anyone received their 2007 Spring Spree Timken Tank car from COSG
yet?

Art
Group: S-Trains Message: 44689 From: Tim Brown Date: 7/27/2007
Subject: Re: --YouTube: Baltimore NASG Layout Tours
Excellent job as always, Jim. I thoroughly enjoyed watching the
videos. Thank you for taking the time and making the effort to do it
and you have no reason to apologize for your efforts! Your worst is
far better than most others' bests! There were a couple layouts that
were inspiring to me. Bob is a very creative man and that is what this
List is all about, as they say on those "talent" shows. You are the
Camera Man!

Thanks again!
Tim (Yadda-Yadda-Yadda) Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44690 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/29/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/29/2007, 8:00 pm
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Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/29/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44692 From: toymyb Date: 7/30/2007
Subject: Too High on Track
Is it me or does the new UP Geep from Lionel/Flyer seem a bit "high"
up from the top of the trucks?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44693 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 7/30/2007
Subject: Altoona Curve
This is a "clipping" from a email from a folk music friend who lives in Bellefonte, PA about the Altoona Horseshoe Curve, as I visited Altoona, PA last month for a baseball game and a side trip to the Altoona RR Museum and the Curve. Then we went to Pittsburgh for the first time to see the Nationals and the Pirates play baseball games on Saturday night and Sunday. Even got my picture on the front page of the Pittsburgh paper during the Pittsburgh Fan protest. LOL Nearly broke my ankle in the Altoona Stadium, but that's a story for another time!

Here is the clipping about the Curve:
***************************************************
Which reminds me, when I was a little kid, you know what was at the Horseshoe Curve? Nuthin'... there was the parking lot at the bottom, and a long, long row of steps up to the top of the hill. The K4 (?) was there on display, but that was it - you walked up all the steps, and stood in the field and watched the trains. Back in the old days, there wasn't even a fence between the observation area (ie field) and the tracks; kids would run up and put coins on the track to watch them get flattened. Still, I loved going there- oh yeah, and in the old days, rail fans would always steal the signs for Horseshoe curve, so if you didn't know where it was, it was pretty hard to find! My grandmother's family grew up in Gallitzin, just up the tracks, where the Gallitzin tunnels are.
***********************************************************************************************************
Today there is a very nice visitor center with a tram going up and down. Very impressive as trains where non stopped. They give you a piece of paper, listing all the trains coming and going, listing also the cargo on the trains and where the trains started from and the destination. One train that went by had auto parts going from Wilmington, DE to Michigan.

One train that went by, while we where having lunch, all the freight cars where from Canada.

One couple had folding chairs they brought up with them to watch the trains.

Both the Curve, Baseball and trains, plus the RR Museum are worth a trip by anyone.

Mike Marmer



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44694 From: alansherry@comcast.net Date: 7/30/2007
Subject: Remembering Tom Snyder
Hello friends,

By now I imagine most of you are aware that we have lost a great toy train friend in Tom Snyder. In my mind, he was one of the first in the recent era to bring toy train collecting and operating "out of the closet" and into the consciousness of mainstream America. His thoughtful interview with Tom McComas was a watershed for developing public awareness of the magic of toy trains. The later videos of his personal layout and collection and of the Century of Lionel Trains also helped set the standard for such productions. We are fortunate to have them as a permanent record of his great interest in our passion.

I don't know how active he has been in the hobby in recent years, but his clear enjoyment of the beauty and history of toy trains and his good humor in presenting this great interest to us has guided me in my pursuit of my particular interest (American Flyer S Gauge), my enjoyment of my modest collection and my manner of presentation of my interest to others. I only wish I could complete a home layout as well, but that leaves another area for Tom to continue to inspire me.

Tom, you will be missed, yet you will always remain with us.

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44695 From: Phil K Date: 7/30/2007
Subject: New Flyonel offerings NEWS FLASH
In the next Lionel catalog there will be five pages of American Flyer,
with most of the items from the January catalog relisted.

NEW STUFF

BUT... the Truss Bridge is being remanufactured, along with a USRA
Pacific in B&O paint to run with the B&O cars that came with the Mike
set a few years ago ... AND another 4-8-4 Northern will be released --
as Milwaukee Road 261.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 44696 From: jnr59@aol.com Date: 7/31/2007
Subject: Compare Flynel USRA Pacific to the AM USRA Pacific
Group:
Would someone who has both please compare these Pacifics with specifics e.g.
prototypicality, details, power, sound fidelity including choo choo
syncopation, smoke, general performance. I remember the Lionel Rep at a
show telling me how a MARKETING PERSON made the decision to mount the tender
light on top of the tender for the Mikado because it looked cool(don't know of
any road that had a Mikado tender with this configuration) ....wonder if such
liberties were taken with the Pacific etc. Also, don't think that radios
were used in the cabs of Mikado's when they were road engines such as is
evident in the L's Mikado's sound repertoire!


Jack Riely



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44697 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 7/31/2007
Subject: AF Northern chuff
Good morning all-
A couple weeks ago I posted a question regarding the Lionel "fix" for
the squeaky chuff noise in the newer AF Northerns. In the CTT review
of the engine a new, longer gasket was mentioned and I asked forum
members if anyone had tried this solution. There were few responses.
leading me to think most guys have already taken care of the issue on
their own, or had learned to live with it. One respondent said he
has shipped his back to Lionel and the results were satisfactory.

I went ahead and ordered the gasket from the Lionel website,
believing I was getting something that changed the sound to something
similar to my vintage Flyers. That was a FALSE ASSUMPTION !!

The official Liionel "fix" is simply a gasket about half an inch
longer than the original -- long enough to cover the air intake of
the chuff unit. This gasket is NOT designed to improve the sound,
the intention is to ELIMINATE it.

Just a word of caution to those of you that thought ( as I did) that
maybe -- just maybe -- Lionel had spent some money on engineering a
chuff unit as well as ACG did. Oh well, another lesson for only
$15...

Jim E.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44699 From: Bill Clark Date: 7/31/2007
Subject: S Helper Service Summer Heat Sale
I just posted the first S Helper Service Summer Heat Sale at:

http://www.showcaseline.com/shs.html

Sale starts Wednesday and ends Friday Aug 3. This is a buy one get
one free sale on Panel side hopper and offset hopper 3 car sets.

Regards,
Bill
Group: S-Trains Message: 44700 From: roy inman Date: 7/31/2007
Subject: Re: AF Northern chuff-New engine
Speaking of chuff problems, just wondering if the newly cataloged Milwaukee
Road #261 Northern has the same aberration? Since it is not out yet, and is
not scheduled before November, I guess we will have to wait and find out.

But let's hope that the Lionel folks learned something from the previous
Greyhound Northern, but I won't hold my breath...

Roy Inman

From: hugoroundhouse <jimensign50@...>
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:06:05 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] AF Northern chuff

A couple weeks ago I posted a question regarding the Lionel "fix" for
the squeaky chuff noise in the newer AF Northerns.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44701 From: Crpntr12449@aol.com Date: 7/31/2007
Subject: Altoona Curve
Mike,
I'm glad you wrote this little description of your trip.
A couple of weeks ago, my wife and I went to Bradford for a wedding and
stopped in Altoona on the way. It was breathtaking, to say the least. I stood
up top and felt similar feelings as I do when I visit a Civil War site. The
scream of iron on the rails, the stench of smoke in the air, and the shudder
of earth as I stand there, brings the bygone era of Steam on the Rails to
life, as I imagine what the Big Boys, and Alleghenies would have been moving
around that massive curve.
By the way, my wife loved it, too. We spent almost two hours viewing the
museum and looking at trains.


Carlton
Group: S-Trains Message: 44702 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 7/31/2007
Subject: Fw: Altoona Curve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>
To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 7:31 PM
Subject: Fw: Altoona Curve


> Phil,
>
> Al meant to have this go to the entire group, not just me.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Al Baker" <albaker33@...>
> To: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 1:12 AM
> Subject: Re: Altoona Curve
>
>
> Mike and All,
> Yes I can add a couple things to that below. I grew up in Altoona in
> the 1950's. Frequently our Sunday afternoon family outings consisted
> of a trip to the Horseshoe Curve to watch trains. In those days
> there was no stairs, just a path with rocks sticking out here and
> there to use as steps. And right, there was no fenses anywhere. As
> kids we played on the tracks and always had a supply of pennies to
> put on the tracks. We would always watch to the east - down the
> hill toward Altoona, for smoke rising above the forest, indicating
> there were some steamers working their way up the hill. You could
> see them from far off, and you never saw just one, there was always 2-
> 5 on each train. Quite the show!
>
> I was in 10th grade in 1957 and I played in the high school band. It
> was during that time that we got to ride the special train up to the
> Curve for the ceremony to dedicate the K-4 when it was placed there.
> Our band provided the music.
>
> Sometimes instead of going to the Curve, we would go down to the
> Altoona yards to one of the several turn-tables, and watch them turn
> a few steamers!
>
> Wow, what I'd give to re-live some of that!
>
> Al Baker
> Now in Portland, OR
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER"
> <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>>
>> This is a "clipping" from a email from a folk music friend who
> lives in Bellefonte, PA about the Altoona Horseshoe Curve, as I
> visited Altoona, PA last month for a baseball game and a side trip to
> the Altoona RR Museum and the Curve. Then we went to Pittsburgh for
> the first time to see the Nationals and the Pirates play baseball
> games on Saturday night and Sunday. Even got my picture on the front
> page of the Pittsburgh paper during the Pittsburgh Fan protest. LOL
> Nearly broke my ankle in the Altoona Stadium, but that's a story for
> another time!
>>
>> Here is the clipping about the Curve:
>> ***************************************************
>> Which reminds me, when I was a little kid, you know what was at the
> Horseshoe Curve? Nuthin'... there was the parking lot at the bottom,
> and a long, long row of steps up to the top of the hill. The K4 (?)
> was there on display, but that was it - you walked up all the steps,
> and stood in the field and watched the trains. Back in the old days,
> there wasn't even a fence between the observation area (ie field) and
> the tracks; kids would run up and put coins on the track to watch
> them get flattened. Still, I loved going there- oh yeah, and in the
> old days, rail fans would always steal the signs for Horseshoe curve,
> so if you didn't know where it was, it was pretty hard to find! My
> grandmother's family grew up in Gallitzin, just up the tracks, where
> the Gallitzin tunnels are.
>>
> **********************************************************************
> *************************************
>> Today there is a very nice visitor center with a tram going up and
> down. Very impressive as trains where non stopped. They give you
> a piece of paper, listing all the trains coming and going, listing
> also the cargo on the trains and where the trains started from and
> the destination. One train that went by had auto parts going from
> Wilmington, DE to Michigan.
>>
>> One train that went by, while we where having lunch, all the
> freight cars where from Canada.
>>
>> One couple had folding chairs they brought up with them to watch
> the trains.
>>
>> Both the Curve, Baseball and trains, plus the RR Museum are worth a
> trip by anyone.
>>
>> Mike Marmer
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44703 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 8/1/2007
Subject: Re: Altoona Curve
Carlton,

You are welcome, as Al's description of the area was interesting too.

Glad you had the opportunity to see it too. Very impressive.

I did not have anytime to check out the few hobby shops in town however for any S items.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Crpntr12449@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:04 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Altoona Curve




Mike,
I'm glad you wrote this little description of your trip.
A couple of weeks ago, my wife and I went to Bradford for a wedding and
stopped in Altoona on the way. It was breathtaking, to say the least. I stood
up top and felt similar feelings as I do when I visit a Civil War site. The
scream of iron on the rails, the stench of smoke in the air, and the shudder
of earth as I stand there, brings the bygone era of Steam on the Rails to
life, as I imagine what the Big Boys, and Alleghenies would have been moving
around that massive curve.
By the way, my wife loved it, too. We spent almost two hours viewing the
museum and looking at trains.

Carlton





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44704 From: Wayne B. Date: 8/1/2007
Subject: AF Northern chuff A FINAL FIX
Hello AF friends,

To Jim and the many who suffer in silence. Jim, thank
you for your post, letting us know what Lionel did for
you and what they offer for a fix. I feel bad now
that I did not respond to your post earlier....I was
one of those suffering in silence with the SQUEAK and
no chuff. Let me tell you of the experiences of our
club members.

Many, many of our club members ordered the new
Northern from Lionel. When they first came out, many
of us were bowled over by the beautiful job that
Lionel had done. The detailing, paint job and
railsounds were beyond our expectations. Then the
first engine was put on the track at our big show last
November in Salt Lake City. To our great
dissappointment the engine had a miserable, terrible
SQUEAK instead of a great sounding ACG CHUFF.

After running our engines during our winter shows,
approximately 3 big shows, the problem really
aggrevated many, and rather than suffer any longer, we
sent our engines back to Lionel for repair. If you
are lucky and have the electronic/mechanical skills
like Carl Tuveson...you could fix it yourself. But
after paying this kind of money our members chose to
send the engines back.

In three cases I know about, all engines came back
with a new "longer" gasket that "fixed" the SQUEAK.
The engines smoke fine, but there IS NO ACG CHUFF AT
ALL. Two of our members have not sent there engines
back yet, I think they want to try to fix it
themselves.

In my case, I ordered my Northern late, after wanting
to seeing the first one at our show. I had heard that
Carl Tuveson had a fix...so I knew I would not have to
live with the noise. Charles Ro. took my order in
November last. I just got my Northern in the mail in
June....according to Charles Ro, my engine came in the
very last of the Greyhound production, and sent out in
a very late batch by Charles Ro.

I opened my engine with anticipation, wondering if it
would SQUEAK or not. As I opened the box my engine
came with a seperate in a bag....LONG GASKET.
However, I put my engine on the track and it ran, and
smoked wonderful with NO SQUEAK AT ALL.

My take on this is that Lionel HAS fixed the squeak by
installing the Long gasket on this very last order of
Greyhounds. BUT, as Jim E. mentioned in his
email.....there is no ACG CHUFF at all.

Will Lionel redesign the CHUFF unit so it really does
chug with the correct, mechanical sound? You be the
judge.

P.S. The Railsounds are wonderful!!!! The crew talk
is a blast.....the electronic CHUFF is
incredible......but the chuff rate is way to fast!!.

Wayne
Golden Spike AF Club


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44705 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 8/1/2007
Subject: Re: AF Northern chuff A FINAL FIX
If you look at the latest Lionel Catalog for the AF Northern description
they do not mention the smoke unit as chuffing only puffing.

In My Humble Opinion, mechanical cuffing and Railsound cuffing
simultaneously is not only redundant it is annoying.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Wayne B.
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 11:54 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:AF Northern chuff A FINAL FIX

Hello AF friends,

To Jim and the many who suffer in silence. Jim, thank
you for your post, letting us know what Lionel did for
you and what they offer for a fix. I feel bad now
that I did not respond to your post earlier....I was
one of those suffering in silence with the SQUEAK and
no chuff. Let me tell you of the experiences of our
club members.

Many, many of our club members ordered the new
Northern from Lionel. When they first came out, many
of us were bowled over by the beautiful job that
Lionel had done. The detailing, paint job and
railsounds were beyond our expectations. Then the
first engine was put on the track at our big show last
November in Salt Lake City. To our great
dissappointment the engine had a miserable, terrible
SQUEAK instead of a great sounding ACG CHUFF.

After running our engines during our winter shows,
approximately 3 big shows, the problem really
aggrevated many, and rather than suffer any longer, we
sent our engines back to Lionel for repair. If you
are lucky and have the electronic/mechanical skills
like Carl Tuveson...you could fix it yourself. But
after paying this kind of money our members chose to
send the engines back.

In three cases I know about, all engines came back
with a new "longer" gasket that "fixed" the SQUEAK.
The engines smoke fine, but there IS NO ACG CHUFF AT
ALL. Two of our members have not sent there engines
back yet, I think they want to try to fix it
themselves.

In my case, I ordered my Northern late, after wanting
to seeing the first one at our show. I had heard that
Carl Tuveson had a fix...so I knew I would not have to
live with the noise. Charles Ro. took my order in
November last. I just got my Northern in the mail in
June....according to Charles Ro, my engine came in the
very last of the Greyhound production, and sent out in
a very late batch by Charles Ro.

I opened my engine with anticipation, wondering if it
would SQUEAK or not. As I opened the box my engine
came with a seperate in a bag....LONG GASKET.
However, I put my engine on the track and it ran, and
smoked wonderful with NO SQUEAK AT ALL.

My take on this is that Lionel HAS fixed the squeak by
installing the Long gasket on this very last order of
Greyhounds. BUT, as Jim E. mentioned in his
email.....there is no ACG CHUFF at all.

Will Lionel redesign the CHUFF unit so it really does
chug with the correct, mechanical sound? You be the
judge.

P.S. The Railsounds are wonderful!!!! The crew talk
is a blast.....the electronic CHUFF is
incredible......but the chuff rate is way to fast!!.

Wayne
Golden Spike AF Club



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44706 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 8/1/2007
Subject: Re: AF Northern chuff
The new AF Northern, including the Lionel gasket modification, was reviewed
by me in considerable detail in the May/June 2007 issue of S Gaugian, My
review is the one that is cited in the CTT review and several attributes and
factors are addressed in more detail in my S Gaugian reportage. If one prefers
(or is satisfied) to use the Railsounds as one's primary source of sound, the
"chirp-chirp" is attenuated pretty well by the gasket 'fix' so that it does
not compete with the electronic sounds. Please note that the small second run
of gray '809' Northerns (6-48054) do have the lengthened gasket modification
already installed and these engines can be identified by a build date of
03/06/07 on the outer shipping box.

For those who may be interested, the new companion UP heavyweights are
reviewed in the July/August (latest) issue of S Gaugian.

Bob Bubeck



In a message dated 8/1/2007 5:24:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

A couple weeks ago I posted a question regarding the Lionel "fix" for
the squeaky chuff noise in the newer AF Northerns. In the CTT review
of the engine a new, longer gasket was mentioned and I asked forum
members if anyone had tried this solution.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 44707 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 8/1/2007
Subject: Re: AF Northern chuff A FINAL FIX
I agree completely, Wayne. And BTW, I'm not suffering in silence --yet. I still have this really annoying squeaking noise in my ear.......!!!
Jim E.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44708 From: Wayne B. Date: 8/1/2007
Subject: Re: AF Northern chuff A FINAL FIX
Jim and all,

Thank you for your post yesterday. I really do feel
bad I did not speak up and tell you the story that
many of us in our club have had. I can only imagine,
there are many many AF fans who would just like to be
able to take there engine somewhere and get it
fixed...just as easy as it was to buy it.

I would like to hear from other clubs to see what they
have done to resolve there issues with this problem.
Particularly to see if ANYONE PERSON out there is
offering to fix the SQUEAK problem and yet improve the
smoke output and the same time, for a PRICE that many
folks would willingly pay. Even though the "long
gasket" solves the squeak problem.....I understand
that many folks have problems with there engine
smoking properly. Lionel will repair your engine with
the new gasket, but they do not improve the smoke
problem. BTW, everyperson who has sent there engine
to Lionel has been treated with excellent customer
service, fast repair time, and a successful end
result..NO MORE SQUEAK.

I cannot tell you the many times our club members have
felt dissappointed with the huge expense the Northern
was, then to wait for the final arrival of the engine
by UPS....and find out it sounded like a rusty old
wheelbarrow wheel.

I do wish I had the talent of Carl Tuveson...his
modifications to AF engines on his website are
inspiring and motivating. I for one am very greatful
for his wonderful pictures and explanations which
"almost" get me to taking my engine apart. It was
Carl's website that did give me the encouragement to
go ahead and buy the Northern, because I knew that
later, sometime I could get mine fixed.

It was just plain LUCK, that my Greyhound from Charles
Ro....happened to be built in the very last batch from
Lionel/China, when they must have heard from lots and
lots of complaining AF customers. So they just went
ahead and put in the LONG GASKET at the factory to
completely cover the hole and silence the SQUEAK.

I do agree with Carl, by the way, that the RAILSOUNDS
CHUFF is so good....that you wouldn't want a competing
chuff noise at the same time. It would have been
nice though, to have a switch to occasionally turn off
the modern sounds and listen to that fantastic ole ACG
Chuff....just once in a while.

Remember, to have fun and smell the smoke!

Wayne Broadhead
Golden Spike American Flyer Club
Kaysville, Utah

--- jimensign50@... wrote:

> I agree completely, Wayne. And BTW, I'm not
> suffering in silence --yet. I still have this
> really annoying squeaking noise in my ear.......!!!
> Jim E.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44709 From: Tim Brown Date: 8/1/2007
Subject: New Album; Hand-laid Switches and Track
Hello,

In my continued effort to get a better-running and better-looking
model RR, using old ACG parts and new electronics, I have created a
new album showing my progress. I have developed a way to make closed-
frog switches in place on my layout using old ACG track rails. First
I glue down cork roadbed, then hand-cut and stain ties and glue them
in place. Then I ballast the track using sifted canary grit. The
rails are salvaged from old ACG track that is no longer of any value
due to heavy rust. I strip off the metal ties, take the rust off the
rails on my bench wire wheel, solder up lengths, spray paint them on
all sides and re-use them, spiking them down with 1/2" RR spikes. I
made "gauge blocks" on my table saw to help me - that was easy. All
parts of the switches are made with these old rails, including the
frog. A few little pieces of brass soldered in is all it takes to
keep the frog rails at the right gauge. It is possible to make very
sharp frog points with old ACG rails. It takes special effort, but
it is possible. I use Blue Point Controllers under the table to
operate and electrify the long frogs. These switches are comparable
to #8 turnouts. I can make them in any radius I want. Notice the
difference in hand-laid track using ACG rails over the original toy
track! Since the rails are about code 155, I over-sized the ties a
bit to match. I purposefully allow the ties to lay a bit randomized
so there is no mistake about it, this track has been hand-laid. This
is in conjunction with moving towards a totally DCC-controlled and
more realistic model RR.

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44710 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 8/1/2007
Subject: Re: New Album; Hand-laid Switches and Track
Wow! Pretty impressive, Tim. Your pictures are great! It's obvious you've put a lot of work into your layout.
Jim E.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44711 From: Richard Eliason Date: 8/2/2007
Subject: TRYING TO LOCATE DENNY STEINMEYER
Trying to locate s train collector "Denny Steinmeyer" Have lost contact with him. Received post card from him from Tokyo but no return address. Last hope is this group may know him.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44712 From: Tim Brown Date: 8/2/2007
Subject: Correction on the "bird grit"
Hi,

I tried doing some Googles on "bird grit" for someone and guess what -
turns out I'm not using bird grit at all! I'm using Bird Cage
Litter. Anyway, it's "Kaytee - Small Animal Cage Litter" @ $9.99 for
a 6.2 pound container and here is a link for it:

http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%
3Eprd_id=845524441815212&FOLDER%3C%
3Efolder_id=2534374302047583&ASSORTMENT%3C%
3East_id=2534374302023691&bmUID=1186087270341&itemNo=0&Ntt=cage+litter
&In=All&previousText=cage+litter&N=2

I happened to find some at a SuperPetz store locally. I'm thinking
it can be found at other pet stores or bought online. It's recycled
paper. I use a lot of water and white glue when I put it in place
and it retains it's shape. I lay it down and dry it with a fan
before I spike down the rails so the rails won't come into contact
with the wet "ballast". Out of the container, most of it is too
large. Sifted, it's just right for the effect I want. Expect about
1/2 waste, but if used with "scale" ties on cork, a little goes a
long way and the rest can be thrown in the cat's scratch box.

Hope this helps,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44715 From: John Degnan Date: 8/2/2007
Subject: NEW PRODUCT (Shameless) ANNOUNCEMENT
For those of you who are interested in hand-laying your own rail...

I have created a new folder in the PHOTOS section, of the groups receiving this e-mail, that contains a photo of the new S scale Tie Jigs now available from Smoky Mountain Model Works (www.smokymountainmodelworks.com).

They come in two forms - one with 19" tie spacing for mainline trackage and the other with 22" tie spacing for branchline trackage... and they can be daisy-chained together to enable longer sections of ties to be set-up and moved to the roadbed at one time. Once your ties are stained (or painted), you lay them in the slots on the jigs, place a strip of tape across the length of them, then lift the tie and place them on the prepared, waiting roadbed. Let the glue set a little, then remove the tape.

Quick and simple.


John Degnan
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44717 From: ER Date: 8/3/2007
Subject: Warning - For Sale -New AM Northern 4-8-4 for sale
I have a new in the box, never run American Models Northern 4-8-4 for
sale

This is number 48410 and is a DC Hi-Rail version. I do have an Electronic
Reverse I can send along with it if wanted.

These list for $369 plus Shipping. I will send it to you postpaid in the
USA for $320.

Paint as Milwaukee road



Eric Reis

Kenmore, Wa.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44718 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 8/3/2007
Subject: Wanted
I just acquired an American Flyer cash register #580, 1937, it is
missing the latch to hold the drawer closed. Anybody that has one, I
would appreciate a picture and/or information of my missing parts.
Thanks
Jerry HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 44719 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 8/3/2007
Subject: Re: New Album; Hand-laid Switches and Track
WOW;

That is mega cool,,,, I think you should be up for a stumpy. Hey,,,
is that a Lenz DCC throttle I spy in one of those pics? How very
cool indeed!!

Continue on oh master of trackage, I'm impressed.

phil d

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> In my continued effort to get a better-running and better-looking
> model RR, using old ACG parts and new electronics, I have created a
> new album showing my progress. I have developed a way to make
closed-
> frog switches in place on my layout using old ACG track rails.
First
> I glue down cork roadbed, then hand-cut and stain ties and glue
them
> in place. Then I ballast the track using sifted canary grit. The
> rails are salvaged from old ACG track that is no longer of any
value
> due to heavy rust. I strip off the metal ties, take the rust off
the
> rails on my bench wire wheel, solder up lengths, spray paint them
on
> all sides and re-use them, spiking them down with 1/2" RR spikes.
I
> made "gauge blocks" on my table saw to help me - that was easy.
All
> parts of the switches are made with these old rails, including the
> frog. A few little pieces of brass soldered in is all it takes to
> keep the frog rails at the right gauge. It is possible to make
very
> sharp frog points with old ACG rails. It takes special effort, but
> it is possible. I use Blue Point Controllers under the table to
> operate and electrify the long frogs. These switches are
comparable
> to #8 turnouts. I can make them in any radius I want. Notice the
> difference in hand-laid track using ACG rails over the original toy
> track! Since the rails are about code 155, I over-sized the ties a
> bit to match. I purposefully allow the ties to lay a bit
randomized
> so there is no mistake about it, this track has been hand-laid.
This
> is in conjunction with moving towards a totally DCC-controlled and
> more realistic model RR.
>
> Regards,
> Tim Brown
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44720 From: Gregg Mummert Date: 8/3/2007
Subject: BIRD CAGE LITER AS BALLAST
The Rochester club gave us this idea... go to your area feed store (Agway,
Tractor Supply, etc.) and ask for "Starter Grit" for chickens.

We got 50 lb bags of crushed granite for about $6-10. Use a window screen
to sift out the "O" scale ballast. Then stained it to match your prototype.

We bagged the oversized ballast and sold it at a local show.

Gregg Mummert
WNYSSA

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44721 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/3/2007
Subject: 2007 Flyonel freight cars
This is the first year that I've preordered any Flyonel cars, and I've been surprised: nothing has been delayed past the scheduled ship date, and most items have arrived early!!!

Have they solved their supply and delivery problems, or do they do better on freight cars than other things?

Bob
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44722 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/3/2007
Subject: 2007 Flyonel equipment is arriving at the Gilbert Gallery
As I get my preorder shipments, I add them to the Gallery:

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/Hopper_Cars4.html
http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/tank_cars5.html (two on this page)
http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/flatcars6.html
http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/cabooses5.html

As you get things, please email me pictures. I've only ordered these five freight cars, plus the Needham Reefer, and the Christmas boxcar and gondola. I need everything else.

Thanks.

Bob


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44723 From: Tim Brown Date: 8/3/2007
Subject: BIRD CAGE LITER AS BALLAST
Interesting idea! As always, I will have to set up a little experiment
to see what happens because that is what I do. I usually sell off my
exhausted and rejected experiments on eBay. Shipping would be HUGE on
this one, I suspect. Heh-Heh-Heh.

Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44724 From: Bill Clark Date: 8/4/2007
Subject: S Helper Service Summer Heat Sale Phase 2
The second S Helper Service Summer Heat Sale is at:

http://www.showcaseline.com/shs.html

Sale starts Saturday and ends Monday Aug 6. This is a buy one get one
free sale on Ore Car 5 car sets.

Regards,
Bill
Group: S-Trains Message: 44725 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 8/4/2007
Subject: 751 Log Loader
This week I added an A.F. #751 Log Loader to my lay-out. However, I have a slight problem, and maybe someone can help me? When I press the button to send the log up, it comes up so fast that it knocks the other logs out the back of the unit. Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Mike Leahy
Boulder, CO.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44726 From: Tim Brown Date: 8/4/2007
Subject: Re: 751 Log Loader
Hi,

Sight unseen, it sounds to me as though maybe you have it connected to
a post that supplies too many volts. Try finding a lower voltage post
for it on that transformer on or a different one. On some accessories,
such as the people mover or cattle mooover, I've connected them to the
throttle (variable post) of a dedicated transfomer (#8B) so I can
adjust the voltage to just about any setting I want for optimal
performance. Of course a resistor would work as well, but you would
have to calculate the value for it and you wouldn't have the dynamic
control over a voltage range that I am suggesting might be beneficial.

Hope this helps you. Please let us know if it does.

Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44727 From: Tim Brown Date: 8/4/2007
Subject: Re: 751 Log Loader
Hi,

Another thought crossed my mind while working on my own layout. Did
you "permanently" fasten it down to your train platform? If you did,
maybe you screwed it down too tight and the shock of the solenoid
acting only has one way to go. Try loosening it up a bit, or put a
cork mat under it or little rubber feet at the corners. I know it's
not the kind of accessory that uses a vibrating mat, such as the people
mover or cattle mooooover, but those accessories can be adjusted
somewhat the same way, so I mention it to you. Sometimes all we can do
on this List is offer suggestions. The rest is pretty much up to you
to observe, tinker and experiment till you find out what is causing the
problem and what can be done to correct it.

Again, hope this helps you.
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44728 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 8/4/2007
Subject: BALSA B-29 OFF TOPIC
GUYS.... I went into Colonial Photo and Hobbies in Orlando yesterday...... I was floored..... There laying on the shelf was a B-29 and with an old price sticker on it..... 54.95.... I grabbed it QUICK..... Still would like 3 more.... So keep your eyes open...... BTW Chuck.... they are carrying about 15 Flyonel cars and 1 engine in "s" now.... Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44729 From: Bill Lane Date: 8/4/2007
Subject: CJSS Get Together
Hi All,

It has not been widely announced yet and the confirmation was a little late
at that, but the Central Jersey S Scalers annual Fall Get together is going
to be Friday September 21 and Saturday September 22, 2007. If you can only
attend 1 day then Saturday is by far the most attended day. About 60 people
usually attend. Friday is mostly for set up of the layout and Sunday is for
running in the morning until breakdown begins around noon. We could actually
use more people for the Sunday Breakdown.

The official webpage for the event needs to be updated, but it is here:
http://www.nasg.org/cjss.html My personal page is here:
http://www.lanestrains.com/CJSS.htm This is a must attend event. This will
be my 20th in a row. It is the event that MADE me switch to S Scale, so you
now know who is to blame! I contacted Don DeWitt and the rest as they say is
history. I got engaged at this event in 2001. I hope to see lots of you
there!

Contact Mike Anderson androgen@... (NOT ME!) if you have any
questions about the event.

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
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Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44730 From: Phil K Date: 8/4/2007
Subject: Re: BALSA B-29 OFF TOPIC
I was in there a couple years ago when on a business trip and found
their prices on just about everything to be very high.

Phil K

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...>
wrote:
>
> GUYS.... I went into Colonial Photo and Hobbies in Orlando
yesterday...... I was floored..... There laying on the shelf was a B-29
and with an old price sticker on it..... 54.95.... I grabbed it
QUICK..... Still would like 3 more.... So keep your eyes open...... BTW
Chuck.... they are carrying about 15 Flyonel cars and 1 engine in "s"
now.... Bob
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44731 From: Donald Thompson Date: 8/4/2007
Subject: Re: 2007 COSG Timken Tanker
Dear Art,
Sorry I did not answer sooner, but I saw a painted sample of this
gem and it is a beauty. Ron S and Matt G had a booth for S Scale
America at the NMRA National Train Show in Detroit last week with
several dozen painted samples. Several different paint schemes of 40'
steel PFE reefers, three new tank car schemes, 4 new Gunderson container
car schemes, 5 ACF 3 bay airslide covered hoppers, I think 4 or 5 more
Evans 50' boxcars, and many roadnames for both assembled and decorated
48' and 53' containers. Shipments are due in September and every month
after than another type of car will be released. I have posted images
taken by John Prior at the show for the NASG.
Oh yeah, the Timken car, Ron let us display the sample at the NASG
Mfg. booth at the Show.
Best,
Don
PS Images can be found in the image file on the S Train Yahoo e-group at:
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/5fbb


Art Kimmel wrote:

> Has anyone received their 2007 Spring Spree Timken Tank car from COSG
> yet?
>
> Art
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44732 From: Tom Stolte Date: 8/4/2007
Subject: Mike Fyten's S Scale Kaw Valley Railroad
Mike Fyten's S Scale Kaw Valley Railroad

http://oddballsdecals.rrpicturearchives.net/archivethumbs.aspx?id=24500

Tom Stolte
Group: S-Trains Message: 44733 From: Al Baker Date: 8/4/2007
Subject: Why did this 322 go for $285.66 ????
Ebay item # 130137753690

I don't understand why this 322 Hudson went for such a high price. Can
some one enlighten me?

Al Baker
Portland
Group: S-Trains Message: 44734 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 8/5/2007
Subject: Franklin, Washington & rolling stock & Casey Jones What scale?
I got my Franklin out this morning and ran some suitable freight stock
behind it. It occured to me that I should have a caboose behind it,
not wanting to use a passenger car. There are no suitable civil war or
even 19th century Gilbert cabeese to use as the available cabeeese are
all later styles and in any case patently the wrong scale for the
rolling stock and locos concerned. Which brings me to the question
what is the scale of these items? They are not 1/64 or 3/16' to the
foot. They look nearer 1/4" to the foot or somwhere around 1/55. Has
anyone worked it out? The Casey Jones locos obviously dont fit as well
but are somewhere between the two. I would like to know as I would
like to find a suitable bobber to bash or change to S gauge. Alistair
Group: S-Trains Message: 44735 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/5/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/5/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44736 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 8/5/2007
Subject: Franklin& Washington&rolling stock&Casey Jones
These trains seem to be closer to O scale (1/4 inch to the foot)
running on S gauge track. The Casey Jones has what appears to be an O
scale cab on an S scale boiler.
This could be "On42" or (On3 1/2 foot) as the model train guys call
it. "O" scale, "n" narrow gauge, "42" inch gauge. There were several
real 42" gauge railroads.
Having been into On30 and S, I can tell you that the proportions
are very similar even though they are diffewrent scales. Therefore,
let me suggest you get a Bachmann On30 caboose and put SHS or AM
trucks and couplers under it for your "old time" Gilbert train.
I've put S trucks and couplers under several Bachmann On30 cars to
run them as S, and put On30 trucks and HO Kadee couplers on several S
scale cars to run them as On30.
Put some O scale people, buildings, and vehicles around your
Franklin, and you have O scale narrow gauge by Gilbert!
Stumpy Stone...better things for better railroading through
butchery...Martins Ferry, Ahia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44737 From: David Dewey Date: 8/5/2007
Subject: Off Topic, but historic--Save the Delta Queen!
Hi All,

As most of you know, I spent two weeks this spring aboard the steam powered
sternwheel riverboat, the Delta Queen, on this, her 80th year. Back in 1969
she was the last overnight steamboat left operating on American waters, and
Congress had passed a new legislation designed to make Ocean travel safer
for the public. This legislation outlawed wood in overnight passenger
vessels on the high seas. Because of poor wording, it also affected ANY
American ship (or boat), including the Delta Queen, which never is more than
a few minutes from shore (and is designed to be beached on shore, that's how
they "dock" for all those interesting river stops they make, like the Oak
Alley Plantation), and is actually taller than any of the rivers she is
traveling. In addition, the wood has been treated with NASA designed
fire-retarding paints, and has a modern sprinkling system covering every
space onboard--even the little tiny bathrooms we get on the upper decks!

But back to that law, in 1970 she was granted a 3 year exemption, and the
whole tale is very long, but it was a case of the public forcing Congress to
pass a popular piece of legislation--which had to be on the sly, as the
Merchant Marine committee chairperson was dead-set against it (despite
unanimous passage by the Senate). Six times since, the exemption has been
renewed (why it wasn't permanent is still a mystery), and the Delta Queen
has been carefully cared for, with modern safety appliances and training
added as they were developed. She has a perfect safety record, and even was
"Steamboat 1" for a week with President Carter and family on board. Well,
the exemption runs out next year, in 17 months to be exact. The company that
runs her has given up trying to get the legislation passed--there is a Union
fight going on, and a new Committee head that apparently doesn't like the
boat either. When the company announced on August1 that they were giving up
the fight, and 2008 would be the final cruises of the Delta Queen, a number
of us enthusiasts started a grass-roots campaign to SAVE THE DELTA QUEEN. We
think we have enough time, and enough interest to get congress to once again
listen to the people they purport to represent. We have no financial
interest, no big PR company, just a group of Americans, who love the Delta
Queen, and want to keep the National Landmark status boat operating,
carrying people into the next decade, preserving the living history of
Steamboating on the American Rivers.

So why this long letter? To get YOU to write your congressperson and to
visit

www.save-the-delta-queen.org or www.steamboats.org

to see what you can do to help us SAVE THE DELTA QUEEN!

Thanks for reading through to here and I now return you to your regular
programming.

Steamcerely,

David Dewey

PS, if anyone knows how to reach Jay Leno, Paul Harvey, or President Carter,
we would really like to get them onboard too!

SAVE THE DELTA QUEEN!
www.save-the-delta-queen.org
Help save this American Icon, it IS up to you!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44738 From: Rick Evans Date: 8/5/2007
Subject: Re: Franklin, Washington & rolling stock & Casey Jones What scale?
***(((( I would like to know as I would
like to find a suitable bobber to bash or change to S gauge. Alistair)))***


See if this might work for ya.
http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/on3/on3.html

Rick.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 44739 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/5/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/5/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44740 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 8/5/2007
Subject: 751 Log Loader
I would like to thank all of those who responded to my question on the 751 Log Loader. I thought I knew what the problem was, and your responses solidified my thoughts. I hooked the unit up to the variable post and it works fine now.

Thanks,

Mike Leahy
Group: S-Trains Message: 44741 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 8/5/2007
Subject: Re: Why did this 322 go for $285.66 ????
While it looks nice for a 1947 model...... I have gotten complete boxed sets in really nice shape for the same price or just a little more..... 300.00..... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Baker
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 12:16 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Why did this 322 go for $285.66 ????


Ebay item # 130137753690

I don't understand why this 322 Hudson went for such a high price. Can
some one enlighten me?

Al Baker
Portland





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44742 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 8/5/2007
Subject: Re: Why did this 322 go for $285.66 ????
Al..... I don't remember the exact numbers...... But a few months ago an EMPTY 4904T set box went for something like 79.00...... Right after that a COMPLETE 4904T SET WITH ENGINE AND CARS AND ALL BOXES went for something like 81.00..... And if I remember right the second box was better..... GO FIGURE...... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Baker
To: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Why did this 322 go for $285.66 ????


I agree. So far no one has given me a good explanation...
Al

----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Al Baker
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Why did this 322 go for $285.66 ????


While it looks nice for a 1947 model...... I have gotten complete boxed sets in really nice shape for the same price or just a little more..... 300.00..... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Baker
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 12:16 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Why did this 322 go for $285.66 ????


Ebay item # 130137753690

I don't understand why this 322 Hudson went for such a high price. Can
some one enlighten me?

Al Baker
Portland





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44743 From: Rick Evans Date: 8/5/2007
Subject: On30 conversions
I haven't converted as many as Stumpy or Steve,
but here's some photos of the tanker, caboose, and stockcar
that I have done.
http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer_004/

Rick Evans.


***(((( I would like to know as I would
like to find a suitable bobber to bash or change to S gauge. Alistair)))***


See if this might work for ya.
http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/on3/on3.html

Rick.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 44744 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 8/5/2007
Subject: Re: Why did this 322 go for $285.66 ????
Al,
The bidders were one's with low feedback #'s. This leads me to believe
that they are newer to E-Bay... This MIGHT explain why... Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44745 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 8/5/2007
Subject: BEN'S S GAUGE LAYOUT
Ben has a lot of Flyer, scenic details
and American S Gauge track.
http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/BENSTILES.html

If you wish to see some outdated
pictures of Ben's and other
layouts go to http://www.classictrainscom
(website for the maker of American
S Gauge track). Go to the "Pictures"
icon. Click on it and scroll down to
"Ben Stiles S Gauge Layout, A write
up and pictures can be found there.

I am in a new club called
Pequea Valley Model Railroaders.
Several members are into
"S" Gauge, some in "O",
"HO", "G" & "N". The club
is rebuilding a traveling
layout in "S".

Glenn


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44746 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 8/5/2007
Subject: Re: S GAUGE TRACK
SORRY correct website for
American S Gauge track is:
http://www.classictrains.com
(website for the maker of American
S Gauge track). Go to the "Pictures"
icon. Click on it and scroll down to
"Ben Stiles S Gauge Layout, A write
up and pictures can be found there.

Glenn

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44747 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/6/2007
Subject: Off Topic, but historic--Save the Delta Queen!
For those who NEED an S-connection to this topic, there is one. The late Bob Wall, a member of the Bristol S-Gaugers, was a Chief Engineer on the Delta Queen prior to his passing. Bob lived in Maine during his time off duty, and operated the Penobscot Central RR in his basement. He also purchased Tom Coughlan's Berkshire Central RR layout and rolling stock when Tom gave it up. Soon afterward, Bob was discovered to have a brain tumor, to which he succumbed. Most of the combined PCRR - BCRR equipment was purchased and liquidated by Scenery Unlimited.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
www.sgaugetrains.com
www.flyerparts.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
978-465-8798
1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44748 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 8/6/2007
Subject: Re;On30 Conversions
While Steve used Gilbert or Flyonel trucks which require extra
surgery, I use S Helper or American Models trucks and couplers as you
can order them right off the internet and you don't have to drill out
rivets, etc. Plus, they look more realistic.
I've found that you can often mount these trucks under Bachmann
cars using a washer for a spacer and the original B'Mann screw! The
only real "butchery" is filing off the coupler box of the B'Mann car.
These cars work well with the Franklin, and also with regular S
rolling stock, and they're fairly cheap! They give you the option of
having some older style cars in your fleet. And they're great fodder
for learning painting, decaling, and kitbashing because they're simple
and inexpensive!
You can often find them at train shows and flea markets to save even
more money!
Stumpy Stone...Have Dremel, will travel...Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44749 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 8/6/2007
Subject: Great News--Lionel AF Upgrade
Great News! Lionel listens to their AF customers, at
least sometimes and with the prodding of the right
people.

Within the last 5 days, Lionel has decided to use the
K-Line S Gauge trucks on all of their future S gauge
american flyer freight cars. This is a major step
forward in the production of better quality rolling
stock.

Joe

Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613
404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338
Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer
Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers
American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line
joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored
Group: S-Trains Message: 44750 From: Sam and Judy Williamson Date: 8/6/2007
Subject: Re: Great News--Lionel AF Upgrade
Joe,

Did they say anything about conversion kits for existing Flyernel cars?

Sam W.


----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Haenn
To: S Trains
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:45 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Great News--Lionel AF Upgrade


Great News! Lionel listens to their AF customers, at
least sometimes and with the prodding of the right
people.

Within the last 5 days, Lionel has decided to use the
K-Line S Gauge trucks on all of their future S gauge
american flyer freight cars. This is a major step
forward in the production of better quality rolling
stock.

Joe

Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613
404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338
Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer
Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers
American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line
joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44751 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 8/6/2007
Subject: FIRST AF SET
GUYS AND GALS...... I have the last 6 didget set Flyer put out....... But what really was the first set AF put out in 1946.... I have a feeling it was not an Atlantic set..... Hudson or Pacific set????? I know there was a 4601 set..... But Did it come out after some other sets were on the market????? I want to display these 2 sets together....Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44752 From: Jack Bartman Date: 8/6/2007
Subject: TRADE O GAUGE FOR S GAUGE
Hi,

If anyone is interested in swapping Atlas O scale 2 rail trains for
either S Helper or American Models trains, please contact me off list.

Thanks,
Jack Bartman
Walden NY
Group: S-Trains Message: 44753 From: Rick Evans Date: 8/6/2007
Subject: Re;On30 Conversions
**((( While Steve used Gilbert or Flyonel trucks which require extra
surgery, I use S Helper )))***

Steve also uses SHS trucks (besides the flyer trucks), and so do I.
Gotta love' em!!

:^)

Rick.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 44754 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 8/6/2007
Subject: Re: FIRST AF SET
I guess I should qualify my set question..... "S" guage.... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alistair McAllister" <alizoo@...>
To: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: FIRST AF SET


Now here's something you haven't thought about - it could have been an
Atlantic set - in O! Alistair
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...>
wrote:
>
> GUYS AND GALS...... I have the last 6 didget set Flyer put
out....... But what really was the first set AF put out in 1946.... I
have a feeling it was not an Atlantic set..... Hudson or Pacific
set????? I know there was a 4601 set..... But Did it come out after
some other sets were on the market????? I want to display these 2 sets
together....Bob
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44755 From: Rick Evans Date: 8/6/2007
Subject: Re: Great News--Lionel AF Upgrade
***(((((Within the last 5 days, Lionel has decided to use the
K-Line S Gauge trucks on all of their future S gauge
american flyer freight cars. )))****

That IS good news!!
I've been meaning to post about this, I haven't been keeping up with
the newer Lionel-AF stuff, and was curious when they would quit using the
goofy O-gauge trucks if they haven't already.

Rick.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 44756 From: Phil K Date: 8/6/2007
Subject: Re: Great News--Lionel AF Upgrade
The archives here reveal that Lionel announced it would do so early
last November, just before S-Fest. I was unaware that this was still
news to some.

The rep I spoke with said it would happen only after all of the
current inventory had been used up. The design was clone-copied from
S-Helper.

Phil K

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...>
wrote:
>
> Great News! Lionel listens to their AF customers, at
> least sometimes and with the prodding of the right
> people.
>
> Within the last 5 days, Lionel has decided to use the
> K-Line S Gauge trucks on all of their future S gauge
> american flyer freight cars. This is a major step
> forward in the production of better quality rolling
> stock.
>
> Joe
>
> Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-
2613
> 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-
9338
> Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts
Dealer
> Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers
> American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase
Line
> joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44757 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 8/6/2007
Subject: Flyonel Docksider Sticky Coupler Repair
I just purchased a set of original new old stock A.C. GILBERT springs
as used in the GEEPs and ALCOs from Steve at SnS Trains to replace
those stiff coupler springs on my Flyonel Docksider. It took just a
few seconds to put them on and no more uncoupling problems. So if you
want to actually pull some cars with your Docksider get in touch with
Steve for a super fast, super easy, low cost solution to those sticky
coupler problems!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 44758 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 8/6/2007
Subject: Re: Train Room Update
I forgot to write that I am very pleased that Michael's took care of the problem.

They will continue to get more of my business, as I have some pictures in the rest of the house that needs to be changed over to normal non glare glass.

So, my hat, a Washington (Curly W) Hat is off to them for doing the right thing.

Hopefully my word of mouth advertising will make some of you remember them for your needs in the future.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44759 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 8/6/2007
Subject: Train Room Update
My train room update is about the pictures in my train room.

As I wrote in April, I just purchase track for the future layout by Classic Trains in CA, American S Gauge track. I will start the layout after the Fall York, since it is too nice now be inside all the time working on this.

But I wanted to get the glass in my pictures replaced with non glare glass, as we have pictures in the house with non glare glass and it looks great.

My pictures are of a double AF ad from a 1949 Life and/or Saturday Evening Post magazine, a nice big color print of the Gaithersburg, MD RR station, a original 1932 night time picture of Chessie from a calendar, my Antique roadshow find, a AF shield sign, a Chessie ad from the 1950's, and two reproductions of Chessie pictures from the 1950's. I just had a metal AF catalog tin sign frame in non glare glass.

So, we drag this pictures into Michael's for reframing, as they told us about a new and better non glare glass at double the cost. They said this glass will look like real glass, as non glass is a bit different, but we can live with it.

So, it was about $390 for all the work, as I figure, okay, why not, the pictures will be here for another 30 years, as the clerk said "you should be happy with the way the pictures look, as it brings you joy".

Well, today I picked up the pictures and I was totally disappointed. Yes, the glass was a bit better than before, as from a distance, it was great, but close up, not good at all, in fact, not much better than before. And who is going to be far away from the pictures in a train room with a huge table. My stomach sank. My wife was more PO'D than I was and said we are taking these back!

Well, Michael's agreed to redo the glass and give us 50% back, which I thought they would. But I wonder about a independent frame shoppe and how they would react.

Anyway, all is fine now, as the pictures should be back soon.

So don't fall for any sales pitch for the upgrade non glare glass, if you have lots of light, as in the train room, I have lots of lighting. Yes, the standard non glare glass will have some reflection of light, but it mutes it, letting you still see the picture very well. The better non glare glass acts as a mirror reflecting the glare back at you.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44760 From: Tom Hawley Date: 8/7/2007
Subject: ACG's American Flyer ALCo PA & PB
Here's something I just saw in another yahoo list. The picture comes up slowly, but it's true. I repent of everything I ever said about A C Gilbert. -- Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
----- Original Message -----
From: lano@...
To: LocoNotes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 10:12 PM
Subject: [LocoNotes] 100,000lbs axle loading


Retired WC SD45 7495 at NRE Dixmoor has been moved around the yard on 4
axles lately. The SD truck evenly shifts the weight to the outer axles
after the center is removed.
Ken Lanovich

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http://csxchicago.gotdns.com:6003/CN_Trains/Roll66/0006730-R1-046-21A.jpg

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44761 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 8/7/2007
Subject: Re: FIRST AF SET
Also according to Tufts book the 332 and 342 were not available until
1947..... So thats about 5 sets that can be deleated...... I have a couple
of Boxed 1946 sets..... A 310, 312, 322.... I have an unboxed 300 pass
set..... Somehow I feel that the first "S" sets to go to stores were 310,
312, or 322 sets.... maybe 320..... Although 20 sets were listed + 1
unlisted does any body know what sets were actually produced????? I feel the
actual number put out was around 12 ...... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "bob barbara" <bobbarbarava@...>
To: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: FIRST AF SET


Bob, 4601 with 300 Atlantic engine... 20 cataloged sets and 1
uncataloged set was produced in 1946. Gilbert was having problems with
the Hudson engines.

Bob




--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...>
wrote:
>
> GUYS AND GALS...... I have the last 6 didget set Flyer put
out....... But what really was the first set AF put out in 1946.... I
have a feeling it was not an Atlantic set..... Hudson or Pacific
set????? I know there was a 4601 set..... But Did it come out after
some other sets were on the market????? I want to display these 2 sets
together....Bob
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44762 From: Bill Clark Date: 8/7/2007
Subject: S Helper Service Summer Heat Sale Part 3
The third S Helper Service Summer Heat Sale is at:

http://www.showcaseline.com/shs.html

Sale starts Tuesday and ends Thursdayday Aug 9. This is a buy one get
one free sale on USRA and Composite Hopper Car 3 car sets.

Regards,
Bill
Group: S-Trains Message: 44763 From: flyer_af Date: 8/7/2007
Subject: Longer Lasting Smoke?
Hi All,
I have been using JT's Mega-Steam in the smoke unit of my 21085 AF
loco and it puts out great amounts of smoke.... for about 15-20
minutes. Then the smoke quantity starts too diminish until at about
1/2 hour it's about gone. When I took my loco in to the Toy Train
Store in Anaheim to have the lower e-unit replaced several months ago,
the train repairman there filled the smoke unit with something that
continued to smoke for over a hour after I got it back home. However,
the smell of that smoke fluid wasn't too good. Does anybody know of a
smoke fluid that smells like cedar that lasts longer than JT's Mega-
Steam?
Thanks,
Larry Harmon
Group: S-Trains Message: 44764 From: Bruce D. Willis Date: 8/7/2007
Subject: ebay item question
Does anyone know what this (item #290147116971) is? The seller thinks
it is pre-war O gauge Flyer. Is it upside-down in his photos?
Because it isn't symmetric, I don't understand how it is a bridge.
- Bruce W.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44765 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 8/7/2007
Subject: Re: ebay item question
Looks like a pretty nice HOME MADE BRIDGE....... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce D. Willis
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 4:03 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] ebay item question


Does anyone know what this (item #290147116971) is? The seller thinks
it is pre-war O gauge Flyer. Is it upside-down in his photos?
Because it isn't symmetric, I don't understand how it is a bridge.
- Bruce W.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44766 From: Bruce D. Willis Date: 8/8/2007
Subject: A Collector's Corner update
Group: S-Trains Message: 44767 From: jayhoo64 Date: 8/9/2007
Subject: Re: Great News--Lionel AF Upgrade
Joe wrote:

>Within the last 5 days, Lionel has decided to use the
>K-Line S Gauge trucks on all of their future S gauge
>american flyer freight cars.

Hm. Wonder how much modification the metal chassis will need to
accommodate the improved truck. S'pose they will be completely redone?

Chuck F.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44768 From: Dennis Back Date: 8/9/2007
Subject: Re: A Collector's Corner update
--- "Bruce D. Willis" wrote:

>
http://www.auctionbytes.com/cab/abu/y207/m08/abu0196/s08

Thanks for posting this, Bruce.

I still say "shame on him" for not mentioning "S" in
his first article, ESPECIALLY as he is a TCA member.
You would think he would have known better.

Better late than never, I suppose.

Dennis
Miami, FL



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44769 From: roy inman Date: 8/9/2007
Subject: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
Just in case anyone else besides me was wondering...

Roy Inman

----------
> From: TALK TOUS <TALKTOUS@...>
> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:34:55 -0400
> To: rinphoto@...
> Subject: Re: Other Question
>
> The unpleasant sound associated with the chuff in the A/F Northern has
> been corrected in the Milwaukee Road model.
>
> Talk To Us
>
>>>> <rinphoto@...> 8/9/2007 1:08 AM >>>
>
>
> From:
> Roy B Inman
> 8937 Country Hill CT
> Lenexa KS 66215
> 913-541-1759
> rinphoto@...
>
> Product Number: N/A
>
>
>
> Club Membership Number: N/A
>
> Question:
> Hi Lionel folks.
>
> I have the new issue AF Greyhound Northern in UP livery. As we all
> know, there was a problem with the chuff in that model.
>
> I am considering purchase of the just cataloged Milwaukee Road AF
> Northern, and wondering if you have fixed the squeky chuff problem?
>
> Cheers, and thanks for your continuing production of American Flyer
> equipment!!!
>
> Roy Inman
>
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44770 From: Bill Clark Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Showcaseline Sale
The fourth SHS sale is posted on the website:

http://www.showcaseline.com/shs.html

Sale starts Friday and ends Monday Aug 14. This sale involves SW1 and
SW9 locomotives.

Regards,
Bill
Group: S-Trains Message: 44771 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
The unpleasant sounds has been corrected - that sounds like
marketing double talk to me. Does that mean it now sounds like the
original AF chuff and it has been silenced with this "gasket" I've
been reading about?

BG1


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
>
> Just in case anyone else besides me was wondering...
>
> Roy Inman
>
> ----------
> > From: TALK TOUS <TALKTOUS@...>
> > Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:34:55 -0400
> > To: rinphoto@...
> > Subject: Re: Other Question
> >
> > The unpleasant sound associated with the chuff in the A/F
Northern has
> > been corrected in the Milwaukee Road model.
> >
> > Talk To Us
> >
> >>>> <rinphoto@...> 8/9/2007 1:08 AM >>>
> >
> >
> > From:
> > Roy B Inman
> > 8937 Country Hill CT
> > Lenexa KS 66215
> > 913-541-1759
> > rinphoto@...
> >
> > Product Number: N/A
> >
> >
> >
> > Club Membership Number: N/A
> >
> > Question:
> > Hi Lionel folks.
> >
> > I have the new issue AF Greyhound Northern in UP livery. As we
all
> > know, there was a problem with the chuff in that model.
> >
> > I am considering purchase of the just cataloged Milwaukee Road AF
> > Northern, and wondering if you have fixed the squeky chuff
problem?
> >
> > Cheers, and thanks for your continuing production of American
Flyer
> > equipment!!!
> >
> > Roy Inman
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44772 From: roy inman Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
I had the same question after I received the return email from Lionel. I
sent a follow-up but have not gotten a reply as yet.

I asked "What does 'corrected' mean...?"

-"Does it mean that the old chuff sound has been eliminated with the longer
gasket? Also, assuming that the older, Gilbert style chuff has been
eliminated by using the longer gasket, has the electronic chuff that remains
been more appropriately synched with the drivers rotation?"

"Or has there been some other fix?"

Roy Inman

From: Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:52:43 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel


The unpleasant sounds has been corrected - that sounds like
marketing double talk to me. Does that mean it now sounds like the
original AF chuff and it has been silenced with this "gasket" I've
been reading about?

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , roy
inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
>
> Just in case anyone else besides me was wondering...
>
> Roy Inman
>
> ----------
> > From: TALK TOUS <TALKTOUS@...>
> > Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:34:55 -0400
> > To: rinphoto@...
> > Subject: Re: Other Question
> >
> > The unpleasant sound associated with the chuff in the A/F
Northern has
> > been corrected in the Milwaukee Road model.
> >
> > Talk To Us
> >
> >>>> <rinphoto@...> 8/9/2007 1:08 AM >>>
> >
> >
> > From:
> > Roy B Inman
> > 8937 Country Hill CT
> > Lenexa KS 66215
> > 913-541-1759
> > rinphoto@...
> >
> > Product Number: N/A
> >
> >
> >
> > Club Membership Number: N/A
> >
> > Question:
> > Hi Lionel folks.
> >
> > I have the new issue AF Greyhound Northern in UP livery. As we
all
> > know, there was a problem with the chuff in that model.
> >
> > I am considering purchase of the just cataloged Milwaukee Road AF
> > Northern, and wondering if you have fixed the squeky chuff
problem?
> >
> > Cheers, and thanks for your continuing production of American
Flyer
> > equipment!!!
> >
> > Roy Inman
> >
> >
> >
> >
>






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Group: S-Trains Message: 44773 From: Marty.Thorin Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Milw Northern
Good morning.
I have two questions about the Milwaukee Northern.

1. What is the approximate price?
2. Does it have a new boiler front? Or is it just a UP 4-8-4 in
Milwaukee paint?

Thanks,
Thorin

________________________________________________________________________

1. FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
Posted by: "roy inman" rinphoto@... logitrol
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 9:19 pm ((PDT))

Just in case anyone else besides me was wondering...

Roy Inman

----------
> From: TALK TOUS <TALKTOUS@...>
> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:34:55 -0400
> To: rinphoto@...
> Subject: Re: Other Question
>
> The unpleasant sound associated with the chuff in the A/F Northern has

> been corrected in the Milwaukee Road model.
>
> Talk To Us
>
>>>> <rinphoto@...> 8/9/2007 1:08 AM >>>
>
>
> From:
> Roy B Inman
> 8937 Country Hill CT
> Lenexa KS 66215
> 913-541-1759
> rinphoto@...
>
> Product Number: N/A
>
>
>
> Club Membership Number: N/A
>
> Question:
> Hi Lionel folks.
>
> I have the new issue AF Greyhound Northern in UP livery. As we all
> know, there was a problem with the chuff in that model.
>
> I am considering purchase of the just cataloged Milwaukee Road AF
> Northern, and wondering if you have fixed the squeky chuff problem?
>
> Cheers, and thanks for your continuing production of American Flyer
> equipment!!!
>
> Roy Inman
Group: S-Trains Message: 44774 From: frank emiro Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Chuff corrected !
Flyonels term corrected to me means: It is a safe way to suggest fixed and no longer a problem, but really means better then it was when built, Ha ha.
There is a difference from American Flyer and China Flyer.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44775 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Re: Milw Northern
From the Catalog..
Gauge: American Flyer/S Gauge
Dimensions: Length: 15 ¾"
(6-48064) $474.99

Looks like the same casting as the UP although it is hard to tell for sure.
The picture does show the valve gear hanger in black now instead of silver like it should have been.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marty.Thorin
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 11:03 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Milw Northern

Good morning.
I have two questions about the Milwaukee Northern.

1. What is the approximate price?
2. Does it have a new boiler front? Or is it just a UP 4-8-4 in
Milwaukee paint?

Thanks,
Thorin

________________________________________________________________________

1. FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
Posted by: "roy inman" rinphoto@... logitrol
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 9:19 pm ((PDT))

Just in case anyone else besides me was wondering...

Roy Inman

----------
> From: TALK TOUS <TALKTOUS@...>
> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:34:55 -0400
> To: rinphoto@...
> Subject: Re: Other Question
>
> The unpleasant sound associated with the chuff in the A/F Northern has

> been corrected in the Milwaukee Road model.
>
> Talk To Us
>
>>>> <rinphoto@...> 8/9/2007 1:08 AM >>>
>
>
> From:
> Roy B Inman
> 8937 Country Hill CT
> Lenexa KS 66215
> 913-541-1759
> rinphoto@...
>
> Product Number: N/A
>
>
>
> Club Membership Number: N/A
>
> Question:
> Hi Lionel folks.
>
> I have the new issue AF Greyhound Northern in UP livery. As we all
> know, there was a problem with the chuff in that model.
>
> I am considering purchase of the just cataloged Milwaukee Road AF
> Northern, and wondering if you have fixed the squeky chuff problem?
>
> Cheers, and thanks for your continuing production of American Flyer
> equipment!!!
>
> Roy Inman


Enjoy thousands of great photos
at http://S-Scale.org/albums
Yahoo! Groups Links
Group: S-Trains Message: 44776 From: Tim Brown Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
Folks,

If you REALLY want a brand-new 4-8-4 that would be truly awesome, then
buy the Flyonel, take out the smoke unit and replace it with an MTH
electronic smoke unit, put in a LoksoundXL decoder with a 2 1/2"
speaker and sync the chuff sound from the decoder with the MTH mega-
smoke using a SPROGII interface to set the value of the appropriate
CV's just right. You'll have monster sound to boot! Of course, this
is all theoretical on my part, but I know of a similar rehab done
recently by our own Phil Dunlop.

Anyone game?

Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44777 From: roy inman Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Re: Milw Northern
$474.99, list price according to the Lionel catalog. I have seen discounted
prices starting at $382.50.

The boiler front sure looks the same to me...

Roy Inman

From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...>
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:03:14 -0500
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Milw Northern


Good morning.
I have two questions about the Milwaukee Northern.

1. What is the approximate price?
2. Does it have a new boiler front? Or is it just a UP 4-8-4 in
Milwaukee paint?

Thanks,
Thorin

__________________________________________________________

1. FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
Posted by: "roy inman" rinphoto@...
<mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> logitrol
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 9:19 pm ((PDT))

Just in case anyone else besides me was wondering...

Roy Inman

----------
> From: TALK TOUS <TALKTOUS@... <mailto:TALKTOUS%40LIONEL.COM> >
> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:34:55 -0400
> To: rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net>
> Subject: Re: Other Question
>
> The unpleasant sound associated with the chuff in the A/F Northern has

> been corrected in the Milwaukee Road model.
>
> Talk To Us
>
>>>> <rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> > 8/9/2007 1:08
AM >>>
>
>
> From:
> Roy B Inman
> 8937 Country Hill CT
> Lenexa KS 66215
> 913-541-1759
> rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net>
>
> Product Number: N/A
>
>
>
> Club Membership Number: N/A
>
> Question:
> Hi Lionel folks.
>
> I have the new issue AF Greyhound Northern in UP livery. As we all
> know, there was a problem with the chuff in that model.
>
> I am considering purchase of the just cataloged Milwaukee Road AF
> Northern, and wondering if you have fixed the squeky chuff problem?
>
> Cheers, and thanks for your continuing production of American Flyer
> equipment!!!
>
> Roy Inman





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44778 From: Marty.Thorin Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Milw Northern
Dear Carl:
Thank you for the response. Even more, thank you for the part number. I went to the Leonel website and was easily able to find her. Based on photos in the latest issue of Trains Magazine, she is correctly painted.

Now negotiations begin with the boss... My 336 will probably remain king.
Thorin

-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Tuveson [mailto:CARL@...]
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 10:27 AM
To: Marty.Thorin; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Milw Northern


From the Catalog..
Gauge: American Flyer/S Gauge
Dimensions: Length: 15 ¾"
(6-48064) $474.99

Looks like the same casting as the UP although it is hard to tell for sure.
The picture does show the valve gear hanger in black now instead of silver like it should have been.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marty.Thorin
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 11:03 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Milw Northern

Good morning.
I have two questions about the Milwaukee Northern.

1. What is the approximate price?
2. Does it have a new boiler front? Or is it just a UP 4-8-4 in
Milwaukee paint?

Thanks,
Thorin

________________________________________________________________________

1. FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
Posted by: "roy inman" rinphoto@... logitrol
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 9:19 pm ((PDT))

Just in case anyone else besides me was wondering...

Roy Inman

----------
> From: TALK TOUS <TALKTOUS@...>
> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:34:55 -0400
> To: rinphoto@...
> Subject: Re: Other Question
>
> The unpleasant sound associated with the chuff in the A/F Northern has

> been corrected in the Milwaukee Road model.
>
> Talk To Us
>
>>>> <rinphoto@...> 8/9/2007 1:08 AM >>>
>
>
> From:
> Roy B Inman
> 8937 Country Hill CT
> Lenexa KS 66215
> 913-541-1759
> rinphoto@...
>
> Product Number: N/A
>
>
>
> Club Membership Number: N/A
>
> Question:
> Hi Lionel folks.
>
> I have the new issue AF Greyhound Northern in UP livery. As we all
> know, there was a problem with the chuff in that model.
>
> I am considering purchase of the just cataloged Milwaukee Road AF
> Northern, and wondering if you have fixed the squeky chuff problem?
>
> Cheers, and thanks for your continuing production of American Flyer
> equipment!!!
>
> Roy Inman


Enjoy thousands of great photos
at http://S-Scale.org/albums
Yahoo! Groups Links
Group: S-Trains Message: 44779 From: roy inman Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
So how much would Phil charge to do such a modification for me?

Sounds like a good idea, but outside my electronics skill envelope.

Roy Inman

From: Tim Brown <Timboy@...>
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:31:27 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel


Folks,

If you REALLY want a brand-new 4-8-4 that would be truly awesome, then
buy the Flyonel, take out the smoke unit and replace it with an MTH
electronic smoke unit, put in a LoksoundXL decoder with a 2 1/2"
speaker and sync the chuff sound from the decoder with the MTH mega-
smoke using a SPROGII interface to set the value of the appropriate
CV's just right. You'll have monster sound to boot! Of course, this
is all theoretical on my part, but I know of a similar rehab done
recently by our own Phil Dunlop.

Anyone game?

Tim Brown






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Group: S-Trains Message: 44780 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
Well Sir;

I can't fault the theory, it certainly works on original flyer 4-8-4,
lots of room in there! For precision chuff sync, throw a magnet in
there someplace and use a reed switch. Tsunami works also. Loksound
is cool because it lets you use a multiplyer on the sync pulses, so you
can use anything that rotates in time to the drivers as a sync base,
even the motor drive shaft.

Having a mix of Tsunami and Loksound steam in your stable provides some
subtle difference to the loco sounds, nothing like variety, eh??

MTH smoke units rock, but don't everybody buy them at once, I got 3 on
order! The Northern will also fit the very sophisticated TAS smoke
unit. It's a tad largish for Hudsons and Pacifics, etc. The only
problem I've had with either smoke unit (I'm running both types) is,
get this, TOO much smoke!! I've had to downsize the output a bit.

So,,, come on guys, rock on!! In the words of DCC conversion,,, smoke
em if you got em!

cheers
phil d

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...> wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> If you REALLY want a brand-new 4-8-4 that would be truly awesome,
then
> buy the Flyonel, take out the smoke unit and replace it with an MTH
> electronic smoke unit, put in a LoksoundXL decoder with a 2 1/2"
> speaker and sync the chuff sound from the decoder with the MTH mega-
> smoke using a SPROGII interface to set the value of the appropriate
> CV's just right. You'll have monster sound to boot! Of course, this
> is all theoretical on my part, but I know of a similar rehab done
> recently by our own Phil Dunlop.
>
> Anyone game?
>
> Tim Brown
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44781 From: Tim Brown Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
Guys,

Heh-Heh-Heh. I'll let Phil answer that question. However, what I did
NOT tell you was that the materials cost for the refit would go about
$225, on TOP of the cost of the Flyonel. How badly do you want to
smoke everyone out of your train room and have them asking you to turn
the volume down? Heh-Heh-Heh.

But seriously, Ron and others on this List. Learn! The first step is
to convert all loci to can DC. Then comes DCC. Once you DCC, you'll
never want to DC again! I'm retired, but I have taken on a part-time
job just so I can earn train money for one loco conversion at a time to
DCC. I have two LoksoundXL's on order; one with a 4-6-2 steamer
soundtrack for a Hudson and one for my Sante Fe Alco. My hope is to
have so much sound volume, that I will be reaching for the throttle
control to take it down a notch or two.

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44782 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
Roy;

That's a very interesting question. This would be a first event on
this loco, I work pretty cheap on first events......

I've converted 9 S loco's to DCC up to now: 2 AM steam, both versions
of their 4-6-2 (Tsunami, original smoke unit); 2 SHS FW1200
switchers, (Soundtraxx generic, phase 1); 1 Flyonnel GP something,
39, 40? (Digitrax motor control, Soundtraxx DSX sound only decoder,
added dual wheel pickup to both trucks); ACG Northern (Tsunami, TAS
electronic smoke, magnetic sync, front driver pickups); ACG Hudson
(Tsunami, MTH electronic smoke, magnetic sync, front driver pickups);
ACG 350, Royal Blue - pictures in the photo album section, (Loksound,
MTH electronic smoke - yeah, it fits, with some "space making",
hudson chasis, magnetic sync -- it's a smooth runner!!, all wheel
tender pickups); AM E-8, (Loksound) ----- I think that's 9.
Currently doing a 342 0-8-0, pretty sure the MTH will fit in there,
it's going to be Loksound also, parts on order,,, oh yeah,,, it's
getting a front coupler hehe!

But,,, never done one for someone else.

Obviously it would trash your warranty with Lionel. I would charge
nada, free, $0, except for parts, I would expect you to pay shipping
both ways, any insurance, and parts. ROM estimate: Loksound $109,
Tsunami $95, one or the other required, MTH about $55, relay, couple
bucks, speaker ranges $5 to around $13 if you want a Loksound and the
large bass reflex speaker combo. We would have to have close
communication as I may discover odd things once the hood is open.
Estimate about 2 weeks turn time to allow me to take my time and not
boff anything. Conversion open to abort if it turns out there is
weird stuff in there that makes it not doable,,,, I doubt it, but one
never knows. Of course you provide the Northern, and you realize
running DCC obviously take a DCC command station and throttle. If
you choose Loksound I can program it to as close as we can get to a 4-
8-4, add momentum, and that good stuff.

So,,, I'm up to it if you are,,, I'd take a photo record for posting
here also.

cheers
Phil D

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
>
> So how much would Phil charge to do such a modification for me?
>
> Sounds like a good idea, but outside my electronics skill envelope.
>
> Roy Inman
>
> From: Tim Brown <Timboy@...>
> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:31:27 +0000
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
>
>
> Folks,
>
> If you REALLY want a brand-new 4-8-4 that would be truly awesome,
then
> buy the Flyonel, take out the smoke unit and replace it with an MTH
> electronic smoke unit, put in a LoksoundXL decoder with a 2 1/2"
> speaker and sync the chuff sound from the decoder with the MTH mega-
> smoke using a SPROGII interface to set the value of the appropriate
> CV's just right. You'll have monster sound to boot! Of course,
this
> is all theoretical on my part, but I know of a similar rehab done
> recently by our own Phil Dunlop.
>
> Anyone game?
>
> Tim Brown
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44783 From: Phil K Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Re: Milw Northern
So what did we decide? Will the boiler front be equipped the same as
Milwaukee Road 261, red light and all?

Phil K

> Good morning.
> I have two questions about the Milwaukee Northern.
>
> 1. What is the approximate price?
> 2. Does it have a new boiler front? Or is it just a UP 4-8-4 in
> Milwaukee paint?
>
> Thanks,
> Thorin
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44784 From: Trains Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
I tried to locate MTH smoke unit of any kind and none can be found or any reference to the same...per MTH web sit and service/parts...so who has some, where can they be found, which one fits in an S loco???? are they the HO size??? or???. Really would like to know . Have a few retrofits and a couple of other S steam locos that I would like to fit with a smoke unit that actually really worked and could be timed correctly. Who's got the answers???

Thanks Dr. K. Loeb (Peter)



----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Brown
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 8:31 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel


Folks,

If you REALLY want a brand-new 4-8-4 that would be truly awesome, then
buy the Flyonel, take out the smoke unit and replace it with an MTH
electronic smoke unit, put in a LoksoundXL decoder with a 2 1/2"
speaker and sync the chuff sound from the decoder with the MTH mega-
smoke using a SPROGII interface to set the value of the appropriate
CV's just right. You'll have monster sound to boot! Of course, this
is all theoretical on my part, but I know of a similar rehab done
recently by our own Phil Dunlop.

Anyone game?

Tim Brown





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44785 From: innotron Date: 8/10/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Sprog II Decoder Programmer
I knew there was a reason why I haven't upgraded to DCC. Apparently it is Disconcerting, Confusing and Convoluted. Thank you for the reminder. This discourse has provided further proof that DCC is a leading cause of headaches and grouchy behavior.

----- Original Message -----
From: ed_loizeaux
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 9:37 PM
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: Sprog II Decoder Programmer


--- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Chudzinski" <chudgr@...> wrote:
> this character is on the wrong page of the DCC book.

Hi Gary....Y'know, I should have mentioned the book, but it didn't
occur to me. Perhaps he doesn't know about it. Oh well, I will do
better next time.

> Shame on you for chasing "95% of the people who don't know what
they want to know and who now may be afraid to ask questions on this
List for fear of a mild outburst or redressing."

Good or bad, I usually speak my mind without too much concern about
how other folks will react. That is one of my faults, but I sort of
consider than none of us is perfect and continue on anyway. I guess
the membership of this S-scale List will drop to a miniscule number
within 48 hours if 95% are going to flee.

> I think you are putting unnecessary wear on your keyboard.

Not to worry, the keyboard is under warranty. But my fingers are
getting tired and it is getting hard to install those knuckle springs
on the HO Kadees that I like to use. Muscles are getting stiff. But
tomorrow is another day and things will improve.

The past is the past and it is time to look toward the future. DCC
can be confusing and being careful with DCC statements is a good idea
for everyone.

Take care...Ed L.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44786 From: Tim Brown Date: 8/11/2007
Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: Sprog II Decoder Programmer
Folks,

If you think you have missed something, you haven't. The discussion
this gentleman is reffering to did not take place on this List.

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44787 From: innotron Date: 8/11/2007
Subject: previous post
I am sorry I sent the previous post to this group by mistake. It was addressing a lively discussion on DCC implementation on the s-scale list.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44788 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 8/11/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
Hi Peter;

Here's one source...............................

http://www.traindoctor.com/index.asp (copy and past link to browser
if it don't point & click)

they list 4 mtm smoke unit part numbers, but far as i know, only 2
fit:

AA0000014 - has 1" x 2 1/4" circuit board on top, smoke out at front,
blower intake at rear, 2 small legs on front tapped for mounting
(unused in conversion), smoke element at front under cb, blower fan
at rear, electronics in between. This is the one I used on my Royal
Blue conversion, pics are in s list photo album ---- this format
could cause interference with chassis in hudson / pacific, would
probably do well in atlantic, maybe $50

AA0000011 - same size cb, layout has smoke hole at front, blower
intack aft of smoke out, format on bottom side has smoke element at
front, blower motor located next, then electronics. This is the
better format for hudson / pacific, possible atlantic,,,,, I'm
installing in a 342, don't know yet if it will work, waiting on
parts. This format has 2 long mounting studs which require cut off
to fit inside AF boiler fronts. $50

Either of the above would fit AFG Northern, as would TAS smoke unit:

http://www.tastudios.com/tascmdupgrades.htm

TAS unit is the most elegant and sophisticated of the 2
manufacturers, due to it's having a direct sensor input, and it's
ability to spool down the blower fan and whisp smoke out when
standing idle. Sadly, it's too wide to fit anything but AFG
northern. They report they are developing a HO scale unit, that
would be interesting to check out. $70

Method for blower chuff sync on MTM units is to remove one lead to
blower motor, route in series with reed switch, then back to motor
lead, chuff sync interruptions pulse smoke output.

So,,, that ought to provide you with the answers.

cheers

Phil



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Trains" <rr4u@...> wrote:
>
> I tried to locate MTH smoke unit of any kind and none can be found
or any reference to the same...per MTH web sit and service/parts...so
who has some, where can they be found, which one fits in an S
loco???? are they the HO size??? or???. Really would like to know .
Have a few retrofits and a couple of other S steam locos that I would
like to fit with a smoke unit that actually really worked and could
be timed correctly. Who's got the answers???
>
> Thanks Dr. K. Loeb (Peter)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim Brown
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 8:31 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
>
>
> Folks,
>
> If you REALLY want a brand-new 4-8-4 that would be truly awesome,
then
> buy the Flyonel, take out the smoke unit and replace it with an
MTH
> electronic smoke unit, put in a LoksoundXL decoder with a 2 1/2"
> speaker and sync the chuff sound from the decoder with the MTH
mega-
> smoke using a SPROGII interface to set the value of the
appropriate
> CV's just right. You'll have monster sound to boot! Of course,
this
> is all theoretical on my part, but I know of a similar rehab done
> recently by our own Phil Dunlop.
>
> Anyone game?
>
> Tim Brown
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44789 From: David Dewey Date: 8/11/2007
Subject: DCC?? Was:Fhuff in new MR AF Flyonel
Veeedry interestink!! but mooossst confusing to me! Y'all have fun with it,
I will attempt to keep with my old mechanical reverse units, etc--at least
when I open up the loco, I can often times find the problem with a visual
inspection--and can fix it myself!!
Although I now have quite a few solid-state platform locomotives, so I will
eventually have to learn some of this stuff.
With Flyonel announcing a change to the cloned scale-like trucks, I guess
the "old days" have passed now. When did I get this old???
S'
David D.
SAVE THE DELTA QUEEN!
www.save-the-delta-queen.org
Help save this American Icon, it IS up to you!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44790 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 8/11/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
Folks;

In my previous,,, I typed "MTM" in reference to mth smoke units,
please mentally replace "MTM" with "MTH",,,,, yeah,,, I'm getting old
I guess,,, sigh
p

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Peter;
>
> Here's one source...............................
>
> http://www.traindoctor.com/index.asp (copy and past link to browser
> if it don't point & click)
>
> they list 4 mtm smoke unit part numbers, but far as i know, only 2
> fit:
>
> AA0000014 - has 1" x 2 1/4" circuit board on top, smoke out at
front,
> blower intake at rear, 2 small legs on front tapped for mounting
> (unused in conversion), smoke element at front under cb, blower fan
> at rear, electronics in between. This is the one I used on my
Royal
> Blue conversion, pics are in s list photo album ---- this format
> could cause interference with chassis in hudson / pacific, would
> probably do well in atlantic, maybe $50
>
> AA0000011 - same size cb, layout has smoke hole at front, blower
> intack aft of smoke out, format on bottom side has smoke element at
> front, blower motor located next, then electronics. This is the
> better format for hudson / pacific, possible atlantic,,,,, I'm
> installing in a 342, don't know yet if it will work, waiting on
> parts. This format has 2 long mounting studs which require cut off
> to fit inside AF boiler fronts. $50
>
> Either of the above would fit AFG Northern, as would TAS smoke unit:
>
> http://www.tastudios.com/tascmdupgrades.htm
>
> TAS unit is the most elegant and sophisticated of the 2
> manufacturers, due to it's having a direct sensor input, and it's
> ability to spool down the blower fan and whisp smoke out when
> standing idle. Sadly, it's too wide to fit anything but AFG
> northern. They report they are developing a HO scale unit, that
> would be interesting to check out. $70
>
> Method for blower chuff sync on MTM units is to remove one lead to
> blower motor, route in series with reed switch, then back to motor
> lead, chuff sync interruptions pulse smoke output.
>
> So,,, that ought to provide you with the answers.
>
> cheers
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Trains" <rr4u@> wrote:
> >
> > I tried to locate MTH smoke unit of any kind and none can be
found
> or any reference to the same...per MTH web sit and
service/parts...so
> who has some, where can they be found, which one fits in an S
> loco???? are they the HO size??? or???. Really would like to know .
> Have a few retrofits and a couple of other S steam locos that I
would
> like to fit with a smoke unit that actually really worked and could
> be timed correctly. Who's got the answers???
> >
> > Thanks Dr. K. Loeb (Peter)
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tim Brown
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 8:31 AM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: FW: Chuff in new MR AF Flyonel
> >
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > If you REALLY want a brand-new 4-8-4 that would be truly
awesome,
> then
> > buy the Flyonel, take out the smoke unit and replace it with an
> MTH
> > electronic smoke unit, put in a LoksoundXL decoder with a 2
1/2"
> > speaker and sync the chuff sound from the decoder with the MTH
> mega-
> > smoke using a SPROGII interface to set the value of the
> appropriate
> > CV's just right. You'll have monster sound to boot! Of course,
> this
> > is all theoretical on my part, but I know of a similar rehab
done
> > recently by our own Phil Dunlop.
> >
> > Anyone game?
> >
> > Tim Brown
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44791 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 8/11/2007
Subject: Re: previous post
Thanks for the clarification.

However, I use SPROG for programming my locomotives in conjuction
with DecoderPro, and I've not found anything easier to use. I use it
purely for stand alone programming, do not even have a programming
track on my layout, programming with a throttle sucks imho, as does
piddling around with a layout based programming track. Just give me
the peace and quiet of my office and an 18" section of track powered
by SPROGII and it all happens with a great deal of ease and
contentment.

I'd post this on the scale list, but they wouldn't let me in, I'm too
radical!

cheers
phil d

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "innotron" <innotron@...> wrote:
>
> I am sorry I sent the previous post to this group by mistake. It
was addressing a lively discussion on DCC implementation on the s-
scale list.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44792 From: uvl97222 Date: 8/11/2007
Subject: I love trains, but this is way out there!
Group: S-Trains Message: 44793 From: Rob Date: 8/11/2007
Subject: That white stuff...
Hello to everyone,

I'm back for some advice on an American Flyer passenger car frame. It
has that white build up of what looks like a mold. I've seen it in
small amounts on the wheels other cars I bought and just cleaned it by
rubbing it off the wheels. This time it's on the plastic frame. Is
there a solution of some kind that will do the trick? If not I'll just
rub it off and take my time about it.

Thank you for all the good advice!!! Always!!!

Rob and Colleen
Group: S-Trains Message: 44794 From: Phil K Date: 8/11/2007
Subject: Re: That white stuff...
This from the late Tom Jarcho:

"Early Flyer plastics, especially those used in link wheels and
couplers, were made with a mold release agent, sodium stearate (soap)
mixed into the plastic. Over time, this tends to have migrated to the
surface of the plastic and formed a whitish crud there. It can be
removed with isopropyl alcohol and a toothbrush. Take care not to get
the alcohol on any painted surfaces, as it will damage them..."

A hair dryer set on a low setting also works. Rub gently with a soft cloth. But be careful you don't melt anything.

Phil K



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rob" <colleenandrob@...> wrote:
>
> Hello to everyone,
>
> I'm back for some advice on an American Flyer passenger car frame.
It
> has that white build up of what looks like a mold. I've seen it in
> small amounts on the wheels other cars I bought and just cleaned it
by
> rubbing it off the wheels. This time it's on the plastic frame. Is
> there a solution of some kind that will do the trick? If not I'll
just
> rub it off and take my time about it.
>
> Thank you for all the good advice!!! Always!!!
>
> Rob and Colleen
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44795 From: Tim Brown Date: 8/11/2007
Subject: Re: That white stuff...
Hi,

There's a technical explanation for that white discoloration - it's an
extrusion from the plastic, but let it suffice that through the years
on this List, we have advised people to just use a hair drier to "melt"
it back to a transparent color. Be careful not to melt plastic window
inserts, stick-on decals or the like in the process.

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44796 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/11/2007
Subject: For all the kitbashers and restorers and high-end collectors ...
I hope you saw and are enjoying today's auction at Stout Auctions. Tons of restorable stuff to work on! I have a friend who works for Stout and he tells me there's a LOT more where that came from - it will take two or maybe three of their monthly auctions to move it all out.

AND they have a bunch of high-end collectors' stuff coming, like the G. Fox boxcar in The Gilbert Gallery:

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/boxcars.html


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44797 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/12/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/12/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44799 From: John Date: 8/12/2007
Subject: More model train software
While out researching layout plans I ran across this site of interest

http://modeltrainsoftware.com/index.html

John
Group: S-Trains Message: 44800 From: John Date: 8/12/2007
Subject: Free Freight house
Here is a free HO freight house that can be printed out and build. I'm
sure it could be enlarged to S scale

http://scalescenes.com/

John
Group: S-Trains Message: 44801 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 8/12/2007
Subject: Re: Free Freight house
guys...... I am presently putting together all the paper parts for the Railroad Station in Thermopolis, Wyoming..... I have all the elevations done with all the bricks, etc...... got to work on the roof next...... color them.....paste to illustration board...... cut and glue up...... they look pretty nice.... I used to do Architectural Models this way...... Got well paid TOO...... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: John
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 5:03 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Free Freight house


Here is a free HO freight house that can be printed out and build. I'm
sure it could be enlarged to S scale

http://scalescenes.com/

John





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44802 From: Les Mavor Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: Re: Free Freight house
Our S scale backdrop kit U030, which connects to kit U032, also includes a
freight house, in scale, ready for S scale car spotting. It is former
CMStP&P from Great Falls, MT, and sits beside the passenger depot. See it at
our web site.



Les Mavor

Managing Director,

http://www.sceniking.com <http://www.sceniking.com/>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44803 From: roy inman Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: FW: Other Question-Northern MR chuff fix
Herewith the response I received from Lionel concerning what they did to
"fix" the chuff sound in the forthcoming MR Northern...

Roy Inman

----------
> From: TALK TOUS <TALKTOUS@...>
> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:16:49 -0400
> To: roy inman <rinphoto@...>
> Subject: Re: Other Question
>
> Exactly what was done to the Northern smoke units has not yet been
> disclosed. We do know that the "choo-choo" sound has been totally
> removed. The chuff problem was caused by the smoke unit components that
> were supposed to create the "choo-choo" sound.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44804 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 8/13/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Other Question-Northern MR chuff fix
Roy - I'll probably get flamed by the usual characters again but this
is just as I expected. Either a marketing guy that has no clue what
he is marketing or a customer service rep that doesn't care what they
are selling or who knows what. I find it hard to believe the Chinese
can't copy and produce a simple design that worked over 50 years
ago. But we can always pay a premium price, tear it down and replace
most of the innards with better premium parts until we get something
close to what we thought we were getting to begin with. Or just buy
an original Northern and have a dependable loco and some cash left
over.

This reminds me of my new Docksider that needs to pull 5 pounds of
scrap iron in gondolas because the smoke unit doesn't work until you
put over 14 volts on it. Without the weight in the gondolas the
thing runs at warp 8 with 14 volts applied. Very disappointing.

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
>
> Herewith the response I received from Lionel concerning what they
did to
> "fix" the chuff sound in the forthcoming MR Northern...
>
> Roy Inman
>
> ----------
> > From: TALK TOUS <TALKTOUS@...>
> > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:16:49 -0400
> > To: roy inman <rinphoto@...>
> > Subject: Re: Other Question
> >
> > Exactly what was done to the Northern smoke units has not yet been
> > disclosed. We do know that the "choo-choo" sound has been totally
> > removed. The chuff problem was caused by the smoke unit
components that
> > were supposed to create the "choo-choo" sound.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44805 From: Bill Clark Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Showcaseline Sale
The fifth SHS sale is posted on the website:

<http://www.showcaseline.com/shs.html>http://www.showcaseline.com/shs.html

Sale starts Tuesday and ends Friday Aug 17. This sale includes F7 locomotives.

Regards,
Bill


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44806 From: Tim Brown Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Other Question-Northern MR chuff fix
Hi,

I've never actually done this, but here's a thought. Try experimenting
with a resistor on the armature and field to see if you can get the
motor to require more volts to run and thereby throw a higher voltage
to the smoke unit. It would take either a careful calculation of the
resistor value or an experiment using a variety of resistors. A
variety pack is very cheap at Radio Shack. You will also have to
experiment with the wattage rating on the resistor so it won't
overheat. I've always wanted to see an experiment like this done and
the results posted, but I've never gotten around to do it myself. Just
a thought. Is there anyone on this List who has either done this or
knows if it even CAN be done?

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44807 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Re: FW: Other Question-Northern MR chuff fix
Hi,

* A diode in series with the motor lead(s) is better than a
resistor, drops a known voltage and doesn't squander energy as heat.
Each diode drops aprox .7V, use 2 in parallel with polarity reversed
to drop voltage and provide operation regardless of voltage cycle.
Use diode appropriate to current draw, such as a 4A rating.

* tip from DALLEE electronics locomatic install documentation,
under "calming jack rabbit" motor response.

** try it, it works,,,, but better,,,, convert to DCC and forget all
the foolishness of uncivilized locomotive behavior.

cheers
phil d


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've never actually done this, but here's a thought. Try
experimenting
> with a resistor on the armature and field to see if you can get the
> motor to require more volts to run and thereby throw a higher
voltage
> to the smoke unit. It would take either a careful calculation of
the
> resistor value or an experiment using a variety of resistors. A
> variety pack is very cheap at Radio Shack. You will also have to
> experiment with the wattage rating on the resistor so it won't
> overheat. I've always wanted to see an experiment like this done
and
> the results posted, but I've never gotten around to do it myself.
Just
> a thought. Is there anyone on this List who has either done this
or
> knows if it even CAN be done?
>
> Regards,
> Tim Brown
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44808 From: John Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Resistors and smoke units
Hi Tim

I don't think it is a matter of IF it can be done, it would be a
matter of where to put the resistor so it didn't get hot and melt
something or burn up. I think my 370 diesel draws several amps
while running. Then if you add rolling stock to that the amps go up
from there. So the resistor to handle that amount of current could
be large in size. Even the high power ones would probably need to
have a heat sink for longer running operations. So for example lets
use 14 volts and 2 amps. Power = Volts * Current. You would have to
have at least a 28 watt resistor for this. I don't think RS has
those in their value packs. I have some 20 watt 5 ohm resistors and
they are bigger than I want to put in my model trains. Now if you
were running a steamer, you might be able to fit one in the tender.

I think I would look for a different smoke unit before going to all
that trouble with the resistor.

Just my honest opinion

John
Group: S-Trains Message: 44809 From: beebear Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Resistors and smoke units
Hi Tim

I don't think it is a matter of IF it can be done, it would be a matter of where to put the resistor
so it didn't get hot and melt something or burn up. I think my 370 diesel draws several amps
while running. Then if you add rolling stock to that the amps go up from there. So the resistor to
handle that amount of current could be large in size. Even the high power ones would probably
need to have a heat sink for longer running operations. So for example lets use 14 volts and
2 amps. Power = Volts * Current. You would have to have at least a 28 watt resistor for this.
I don't think RS has those in their value packs. I have some 20 watt 5 ohm resistors and they are
bigger than I want to put in my model trains. Now if you were running a steamer, you might be able
to fit one in the tender.

I think I would look for a different smoke unit before going to all that trouble with the resistor.

John


----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Brown
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 9:35 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: FW: Other Question-Northern MR chuff fix


Hi,

I've never actually done this, but here's a thought. Try experimenting
with a resistor on the armature and field to see if you can get the
motor to require more volts to run and thereby throw a higher voltage
to the smoke unit. It would take either a careful calculation of the
resistor value or an experiment using a variety of resistors. A
variety pack is very cheap at Radio Shack. You will also have to
experiment with the wattage rating on the resistor so it won't
overheat. I've always wanted to see an experiment like this done and
the results posted, but I've never gotten around to do it myself. Just
a thought. Is there anyone on this List who has either done this or
knows if it even CAN be done?

Regards,
Tim Brown





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44810 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: My Docksider Comment
I wasn't really looking for a solution to my Docksider needing to pull
5 pounds of scrap to pull 14V so the smoke unit would work without the
loco running at warp 8. I was trying to show my frustration at buying
brand new locos from Lionel that don't function like the old AF without
some level of refitting, upgrading, etc. Why should I have to pour
time and money into a brand new loco? Why did I have to replace the
coupler springs to keep it from derailing anything it pulled? Didn't
Lionel give at least one Docksider just one loop around a test track
pulling a car during the development or production or quality control
phase to realize the spring was too strong? Didn't anyone test the
smoke unit on a test track? Didn't anyone check the smoke fulid
containers before shipping a bunch of them that leaked during
shipping? If I worked for a company with such terrible out of the box
problems I'd be looking for a new job quick!

Just my opinion.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 44811 From: uvl97222 Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Smoking caboose?
Has any one in here made a smoking caboose yet out of an old AF caboose yet? I had to
repair one of big L's one time. That is why I was thinking of making one out of the fourty or
more cabooses that I have. Now with that said I need some input from all of you.

Clayton S. D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44812 From: romoyer@att.net Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: AF Vista Dome Kitbash
Ladies and Gentleman:

I was thinking of taking a AF Vista Dome Passenger Car and making a Super Dome Car. You know one of those cars with the dome almost the whole length of the car. Before I start from scratch, has anyone done this already? How about you Stumpy? All input would be appreciated.

Regards

Bob Moyer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44813 From: Tim Brown Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Re: My Docksider (eBay - inserted after my many comments) Comment
Hi,

Still, your posting spawned a "what-if" discussion that was
productive - as far as tinkering is concerned (opinion). Turns out
maybe resistors would not be practical, so it's diodes to the rescue
(darn good opinion - in my opinion). THAT is worth an experiment or
two as well (opinion). Anyway, your frustration is also a good point
(opinion). There just isn't a Circuit City for S-gauge stuff where
we can all look, touch, play with a little, ask questions of college
kids or younger, etc (fact? opinion?). It isn't local train shows -
I've been to them all (opinion). York is actually an exception,
where we CAN do a touchy/feely & ask questions (pretty much a fact in
my head, although some would label this opinion). I don't know about
the NASG Convention or the NMRA convention, so I'll strike that one
out and remove it from my chart. For most of us, it isn't clubs 'cuz
there are just too few of them and new technology takes quite a while
to show itself - unless YOU buy it (opinion). So how do you know if
a new issue item is any good before you plunk down the cash for it?
Well, there is our own database, which almost nobody except me adds
to (fact). There is this List, which is slow to embrace new
technology - except for a precious few of us (opinion). So you puts
your money down and you takes your chances. What I do is to buy the
damn thing and if I don't like it for whatever reason, sell it off -
with full disclosure - on eBay (I said the "E" word, so I better go
right straight back up to the subject line and put the word "eBay"
into it somewhere) and recoup part or all of it back and go on to the
next thing (fact). I have tried to be all things to all people in
this post and probably succeeded in being nothing to anybody (fact or
opinion - you decide 'cuz I'm too much of a character to discern).

Hope this yelps,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44814 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Re: AF Vista Dome Kitbash
In a message dated 8/14/2007 7:07:46 PM Central Daylight Time,
romoyer@... writes:

I was thinking of taking a AF Vista Dome Passenger Car and making a Super
Dome Car. You know one of those cars with the dome almost the whole length of the
car. Before I start from scratch, has anyone done this already? How about you
Stumpy? All input would be appreciated.

Regards

Bob Moyer

Bob, there is an article by Robert Hogan in the September-October 2005 S
GAUGIAN titled "Modeling the Shasta Daylight". Page 28 includes a picture of a
full length dome lounge car. Its the same idea you have but in scale, not
American Flyer highrail. The full length dome was created by cutting dome sections
out of the full length American Models dome cars. It might be tougher trying
to do that with the clear plastic American Flyer domes, but cheaper. Keep in
mind that you need to cover over most of the windows in an American Flyer car
to make it look anything like a full length dome diner or lounge car. Give
it a try, and maybe someone else can tell you about doing a Flyer version of a
full length dome car.

- Earl Henry, Nashville



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44815 From: innotron Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Re: My Docksider Comment
At least they are consistent. I had all the same problems with the addition of not being able to hear the chug unless there is no ambient noise whatsoever. If this were a company with no experience in the model train business, I could accept these shortcomings as a learning curve. However I must assume that this is just further proof of how little Lionel thinks of the "S'' scale market. I can't imagine that they could get away with this lack of quality control, poor packaging and shoddy engineering with their mainstream products. Even after the documentation of these failings did anyone receive a replacement spring or replacement bottle of smoke fluid? I rest my case.
Alex


----- Original Message -----
From: Bull_Gator_1
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:10 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] My Docksider Comment


I wasn't really looking for a solution to my Docksider needing to pull
5 pounds of scrap to pull 14V so the smoke unit would work without the
loco running at warp 8. I was trying to show my frustration at buying
brand new locos from Lionel that don't function like the old AF without
some level of refitting, upgrading, etc. Why should I have to pour
time and money into a brand new loco? Why did I have to replace the
coupler springs to keep it from derailing anything it pulled? Didn't
Lionel give at least one Docksider just one loop around a test track
pulling a car during the development or production or quality control
phase to realize the spring was too strong? Didn't anyone test the
smoke unit on a test track? Didn't anyone check the smoke fulid
containers before shipping a bunch of them that leaked during
shipping? If I worked for a company with such terrible out of the box
problems I'd be looking for a new job quick!

Just my opinion.

BG1





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44816 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Wooden Kit
I have a wooden billboard kit that I need to put to together for the future layout.

I got this billboard from Doug Peck, at his stall at a antique Shoppe in Wells, Maine, back in the late 90's!

Anyway, I never built a scratch kit before.

I have two questions.

What kind of glue can I use for this? Any particular brand.

And do I paint the wood first then glue it together or glue it together, then paint.

I do have the paint already, craft wood paint from Michael's, Forest Green, as recommended on the instruction sheet.

Thanks,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44817 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 8/14/2007
Subject: Hold On Group
All this talk about the "L" docksider, remember that the Gilbert version was no gem. That was into the time of the "Casy Jones", the GM diesels. The Gilbert Company was on the downhill slope. New, quality products were no longer comming out of "The Gilbert Hall of Science", even if the ads did still say so.

jfred


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44818 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Wooden Kit
You can use comon white glue or wood glue for most wood kits. Something
like Elmer's White Glue. I would paint after assembly unless there is
some staining involved. That way you get the best adheasion.
Have fun, Keith Blanchard
http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer"
<mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> I have a wooden billboard kit that I need to put to together for the
future layout.
>
> What kind of glue can I use for this? Any particular brand.
>
> And do I paint the wood first then glue it together or glue it
together, then paint.>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Marmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 44819 From: frank emiro Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: My Docksider (eBay - inserted after my many comments) Comment
Why not take it to a tech school and give the students a project to work on and give us the results?

Tim Brown <Timboy@...> wrote: Hi,

Still, your posting spawned a "what-if" discussion that was
productive - as far as tinkering is concerned (opinion). Turns out
maybe resistors would not be practical, so it's diodes to the rescue
(darn good opinion - in my opinion). THAT is worth an experiment or
two as well (opinion). Anyway, your frustration is also a good point
(opinion). There just isn't a Circuit City for S-gauge stuff where
we can all look, touch, play with a little, ask questions of college
kids or younger, etc (fact? opinion?). It isn't local train shows -
I've been to them all (opinion). York is actually an exception,
where we CAN do a touchy/feely & ask questions (pretty much a fact in
my head, although some would label this opinion). I don't know about
the NASG Convention or the NMRA convention, so I'll strike that one
out and remove it from my chart. For most of us, it isn't clubs 'cuz
there are just too few of them and new technology takes quite a while
to show itself - unless YOU buy it (opinion). So how do you know if
a new issue item is any good before you plunk down the cash for it?
Well, there is our own database, which almost nobody except me adds
to (fact). There is this List, which is slow to embrace new
technology - except for a precious few of us (opinion). So you puts
your money down and you takes your chances. What I do is to buy the
damn thing and if I don't like it for whatever reason, sell it off -
with full disclosure - on eBay (I said the "E" word, so I better go
right straight back up to the subject line and put the word "eBay"
into it somewhere) and recoup part or all of it back and go on to the
next thing (fact). I have tried to be all things to all people in
this post and probably succeeded in being nothing to anybody (fact or
opinion - you decide 'cuz I'm too much of a character to discern).

Hope this yelps,
Tim Brown






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Group: S-Trains Message: 44820 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Hold On Group
jfred,

Are you telling me I should be happy with my Lionel Docksider
because it compares to the AF Docksider made when AF was on the
downhill slide? If Lionel was currently on the downhill slide then
I guess that would be a fair comparision, but I don't think Lionel
considers themselves to be just short of going out of business.
Then again they are basically out of business as far as my business
is concerned until they consistently produce a quality prouct. The
last Lionel item I bought was the animated track gang and they
screwed up the "air hoses" on that!

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, JFrederick Roberts <jfred436@...>
wrote:
>
> All this talk about the "L" docksider, remember that the Gilbert
version was no gem. That was into the time of the "Casy Jones", the
GM diesels. The Gilbert Company was on the downhill slope. New,
quality products were no longer comming out of "The Gilbert Hall of
Science", even if the ads did still say so.
>
> jfred
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your
story.
> Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44821 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Hold On Group
While I agree that the "Casey" era was not representative of Gilbert's best efforts, I also have to agree with those that are frustrated with the apparent lack of quality control on the part of Lionel.
I'm not like some on the forum with a well-endowed budget for purchasing trains. Most of my trains have come off the auction block as restoration projects - which is OK, since I enjoy getting them running again.
BUT I have sprung for two new "S" gauge locomotives -- both Flyonels. One is the Docksider with the "automatic car derailing feature" due to the too-stiff coupler spring, and the other is the UP greyhound nothern with the built-in squeaky wheeze of a choo-choo. So I'm two-for-two in the disappointment department. I especially agree with the forum member who questioned whether or not Lionel ever did any test runs of their protoypes.
On the (not so) bright side, I recently purchased a new sealed-box Thomas O gauge set for my grandkids and the car's coupler will not function, so their sloppiness is not confined to "S" gauge.
Let's all just be thankful they don't build airliners!
Jim E.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44822 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Docksider Blues and smoking cabooses
Well, y'all know what a Mad Butcher I am! I HAD a Docksider. I
figured out what all had to be done to it to bring it up the level of
my other locomotives, and sold it! I went and bought a Putt/Rex
DOCKSIDE and got a real locomotive, which cost more than all the
modifications I would have had to do to the Lionel DOCKSIDER, but not
by much. It looks better and runs and smokes better, and I didn't
have to tear apart a new locomotive to build a decent locomotive.
Yep, the Docksider, Casey Jones, and a few other items are glowing
examples of pieces of sh--, but that's no excuse for Lionel.
(This isn't to say I won't pickup a Docksider in the future just
for the basic chassis and motor, as there is little else of use.)
As for the smoking caboose, that's a project. I would get rid of
the Gilbert trucks and use S Helper or American Models electrical
pick up trucks with a fibre washer for insulation. A Suethe smoke
unit would work and you could make up a brass tubing funnel for the
top of the smoke unit to the stack. The stack could be brass tubing
of course. The real problem would be "How do you fill it?" Do you
take the body off each time? Drip smoke fluid down the stack, fill
through a window in the cupola? Once you figure out how you want to
fill it, the rest is easy engineering.
Stumpy Stone...the Mad Butcher of Appalachia
Group: S-Trains Message: 44823 From: Tim Brown Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: My Docksider (eBay - inserted after my many comments) Comment
Hi,

That's a very ACG attitude. You done him proud!

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44824 From: Larry Moore Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Hold On Group
Gentlemen and group, All you have to do is look at the news this week and the mess Mattel is in. We are turning all of our production over to a foreign government and communist to boot and obviously no oversight, end result- no quality control. I too would rather invest in a 50-60 year old Flyer clean it up and lube it and guess what it choo-choos and smokes. What difference does it make if it is a synchronized choo-choo and literally the bells and whistles are no good if the circuit board goes bad. Again the whistling billboards are working after lo these many years. I'll stop there before I get long winded on this same subject a few months back. Flyonel might as well be fly-by-night. Just my opinion. Thanks for listening, Larry Moore


To: jfred436@...; s-trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: jimensign50@...: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 04:24:32 +0000Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Hold On Group




While I agree that the "Casey" era was not representative of Gilbert's best efforts, I also have to agree with those that are frustrated with the apparent lack of quality control on the part of Lionel.I'm not like some on the .................
Group: S-Trains Message: 44825 From: Phil K Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Hold On Group
Companies use Chinese manufacturers because American consumers demand
prices be kept reasonable and affordable. The tradeoff often is
poor quality and quality control.

Yes, Lionel could do all its manufacturing and assembly here and hire
American workers. I'd also guess that after you'd see the prices
Lionel would have to charge, you wouldn't use your valuable
disposable income buy any of those products. So where would that
leave Lionel and all those American workers?

I'm not sticking up for what American manufacturers have done and am
not a Lionel apologist. This is one very small part of a much larger
picture (you mention Mattel).

One needs look no further than the Wal*Mart phenomena -- the same
people who say Wal*Mart's selling Chinese goods has all but vaporized small-town American businesses and hurt American workers are the very same folks who shop there because of the low prices. Go figure.

I could buy a quart of name-brand motor oil at Wal*Mart for $1 or pay
$2.50 or $3 for the same quart at a 24-hour gas station. Where should
I buy?

Phil K

and --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote:
>
> Gentlemen and group, All you have to do is look at the news this
week and the mess Mattel is in. We are turning all of our production
over to a foreign government and communist to boot and obviously no
oversight, end result- no quality control. I too would rather invest
in a 50-60 year old Flyer clean it up and lube it and guess what it
choo-choos and smokes. What difference does it make if it is a
synchronized choo-choo and literally the bells and whistles are no
good if the circuit board goes bad. Again the whistling billboards
are working after lo these many years. I'll stop there before I get
long winded on this same subject a few months back. Flyonel might as
well be fly-by-night. Just my opinion. Thanks for listening, Larry
Moore
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44826 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Hold On Group
No! I'm not saying I am happy with the "L" docksider, I too had to change coupler springs, and the couplers. The couplers that came on it wouldn't open far enough to let a car go.
Worse, I bought a Baldwin, only to find it can't run on Pikemaster curves.
I expect the only L-Flyer I'll be buying are "event special cars".
All I wanted to say is that "L" didn't get a gem and mess it up. The Northern is another matter, as it was a class act from Gilbert. But I know now I'll never have room to run one.
My new power is a Putt docksider, and a Putt Mogel, and an SW9 from SHS. Oh yes, also an SW1.
And I still run my Gilbert steam, so I have more power now than I do room to run it, so even if the people that run "L" do clean up their act, I don't really need them.
telling me I should be happy with my Lionel Docksider
because it compares to the AF Docksider made when AF was on the
downhill slide? If Lionel was currently on the downhill slide then
I guess that would be a fair comparision, but I don't think Lionel
considers themselves to be just short of going out of business.
Then again they are basically out of business as far as my business
is concerned until they consistently produce a quality prouct. The
last Lionel item I bought was the animated track gang and they
screwed up the "air hoses" on that!

BG1














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Group: S-Trains Message: 44827 From: Donald Thompson Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Hold On Group
Dear Group,
Larry and I have been corresponding about his comments. He posed a
good question I think the rest of the group should hear. He asked about
our costs overseas vs. the cost of the same item if made here.
Production costs everywhere are based on the number of ops (operations)
needed to make the product. The cost of materials is pretty much the
same, but the labor costs effect the cost of ops. If you look at the
end of our freight cars, you see a road number. For SHS to have that
printed on the end of the car, it cost us US$0.06 (it was a nickel when
we started 12 years ago). Which may not seem like very much. But, the
same operation here would cost us 30 cents.. For painting, each spray
mask operation is US$0.08, here is would be 40 cents. This is a big
deal on engines that may have as many as 25 spray mask operations. If
you add all of the ops, I think one of our $40 freight cars would cost
about $120 if we used the same distribution system.. I think this is
why A.C. Gilbert had is HO track made in Japan.
Re: What is going on in China - They are very concerned. I do not
believe that our factory has had these problems, but I have been sent
official notice that 3 samples from each of our shipments will now be
sent to a Chinese Government lab for testing and approval. We are
hopeful that they can be tested quickly and our shipment released.
Best,
Don
Group: S-Trains Message: 44828 From: Larry Moore Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Hold On Group
Don, You give an interesting perspective to the supply side of our hobby, and I appreciate that. Again just out of curiosity, are there any manufacturing facilities in the US with available tooling and capability of producing a product such as yours with price not even being a factor? Larry


To: mo2337@...: jimensign50@...; jfred436@...; s-trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: don@...: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:25:05 -0400Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Hold On Group




Dear Group,Larry and I have been corresponding about his comments. He posed a good question I think the rest of the group should hear. He asked about our costs overseas vs. the cost of the same item if made here. Production costs everywhere are based on the number of ops (operations) needed to make the product. The cost of materials is pretty much the same, but the labor costs effect the cost of ops. If you look at the end of our freight cars, you see a road number. For SHS to have that printed on the end of the car, it cost us US$0.06 (it was a nickel when we started 12 years ago). Which may not seem like very much. But, the same operation here would cost us 30 cents.. For painting, each spray mask operation is US$0.08, here is would be 40 cents. This is a big deal on engines that may have as many as 25 spray mask operations. If you add all of the ops, I think one of our $40 freight cars would cost about $120 if we used the same distribution system.. I think this is why A.C. Gilbert had is HO track made in Japan.Re: What is going on in China - They are very concerned. I do not believe that our factory has had these problems, but I have been sent official notice that 3 samples from each of our shipments will now be sent to a Chinese Government lab for testing and approval. We are hopeful that they can be tested quickly and our shipment released.Best,Don


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44829 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Hold On Group
I agree with Don, China has cheaper laber raits than t U.S. The one
thing I can see from this is that companies that use China or other
overseas companies for their manufacturing need to make sure that Us
standards are being met. Don has a staff over there so that that can
be monitered. Back to labor costs here in the U.S.A. Have any of you
thought about the labor charges when you take your car to be worked on.
That is the big rip off. Our labor rates are sky high when you think
about it. Just my thoughts on the matter.
Alan Lambert
Group: S-Trains Message: 44830 From: Donald Thompson Date: 8/15/2007
Subject: Re: Hold On Group
Dear Larry,
I know you can get tooling done here at about the same cost, but I
have no idea of anyone who would be interested in such small runs for
production. There maybe someone, but I do not have a clue who. We got
our USA prices from model train companies that stopped making stuff here
and sent production abroad.
Best,
Don

Larry Moore wrote:

> Don, You give an interesting perspective to the supply side of our
> hobby, and I appreciate that. Again just out of curiosity, are there
> any manufacturing facilities in the US with available tooling and
> capability of producing a product such as yours with price not even
> being a factor? Larry
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> To: mo2337@...
> CC: jimensign50@...; jfred436@...;
> s-trains@yahoogroups.com
> From: don@...
> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:25:05 -0400
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Hold On Group
>
> Dear Group,
> Larry and I have been corresponding about his comments. He posed a
> good question I think the rest of the group should hear. He asked
> about
> our costs overseas vs. the cost of the same item if made here.
> Production costs everywhere are based on the number of ops
> (operations)
> needed to make the product. The cost of materials is pretty much the
> same, but the labor costs effect the cost of ops. If you look at the
> end of our freight cars, you see a road number. For SHS to have that
> printed on the end of the car, it cost us US$0.06 (it was a nickel
> when
> we started 12 years ago). Which may not seem like very much. But, the
> same operation here would cost us 30 cents.. For painting, each spray
> mask operation is US$0.08, here is would be 40 cents. This is a big
> deal on engines that may have as many as 25 spray mask operations. If
> you add all of the ops, I think one of our $40 freight cars would
> cost
> about $120 if we used the same distribution system.. I think this is
> why A.C. Gilbert had is HO track made in Japan.
> Re: What is going on in China - They are very concerned. I do not
> believe that our factory has had these problems, but I have been sent
> official notice that 3 samples from each of our shipments will now be
> sent to a Chinese Government lab for testing and approval. We are
> hopeful that they can be tested quickly and our shipment released.
> Best,
> Don
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44831 From: Carl Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: AMERICAN Flyer
I've been following the thread about the problems with Lionel qc and
other problems. My interests are early post war Flyer, link couplers
and all. I belong to a toy train group which consists of primarily 3
railers. Lionel built some very nice stuff 50 years ago. Looking at
the later equipment I don't think L gave a lot thought to proportions
when a diesel switcher is bigger than the boxcar it's working with. I
love the early pw diecast engines and the rolling stock that goes with
them. The Northerns and Hudsons are particularly graceful. The 302's
and 290's are great workhorse engines. The Royal Blue and it's
siblings are cute and somewhat whimsical. The 312 series engines give
a feeling of power. The smoke systems work well after almost 60
years, and these were made as toys many of which have outlasted the
boy that played hard with them. I challenge anyone to turn over the
latest big L offering to an 8 year old to play with as he sees fit.
It wouldn't make it from Christmas to New Years. Other than being
used as a wheel block for a Kenworth or stored in a wet basement those
old Flyers give just as much joy today as 60 years ago and with a
little care and maintenance will be running 60 years from now. They
smoke and chuff and just plain give good service and they were made in
AMERICA. Fortunately there is room in this hobby for all interests
and while I have my own particular hobby niche, I very much enjoy
looking at everything. Just my opinion. Good day to all. CJ
Group: S-Trains Message: 44832 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: But whose fault is it?
I know it's in vogue to beat up on China right now, but wait just a
minute. As S Helper Service's locos, cars, track, etc. proves,
quality things can come from China.
That Lionel and Mattel can't get quality products made is a defect in
American management and oversite. The gang at Lionel and Mattel
screwed up! There is difference between trying to do things
inexpensively and cost effectively, and being cheap and greedy.
The gang at S Helper sweated blood to get the 2-8-0 made and still
had some problems, but worked hard to straighten them out.
The gang at Lionel and Mattel just wanted to take the money, no
attempt to make the problem right until they were FORCED to.
I'm no fan of all the manufacturing going on in China, but this is
the hobby reality in a world where we pay so much for things like
gasoline, medicine, etc. Don't blame the Chinese until you go after
Lionel, Exxon-Mobile, and Merck too! Whether it's made in China or
not,in most cases our own greedy folks are doing it to us!
Stumpy Stone...poor guy from Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44833 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Chinese Labor Costs
I was watching the ABC evening news recently and they were doing a
story on the recent Chinese toy recalls. They said the typical labor
cost (including benefits) in a Chinese toy factory was US$0.25/hour.
They also said the typical labor cost (including benfits) in a US toy
factory was US$16.00/hour. They pointed out the US labor cost was 64
times the Chinese labor cost. On the other hand they did show a small
US manufacturer of wooden toy trains that suddenly has more demand for
his products than he can meet even though his prices are far higher
than the Chinese prices. It was a well done news report for a change.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 44834 From: Scott Freeman Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: Hold On Group
Don
Are you saying that if you could find someone in the US that could
make your stuff for close to the same price as it is made in China
that you would have it made here? Im sure that there is some mid-
sized plant that could do this. I know there is a plstics plant here
in federalsburg MD that does some of that kind of stuff. And I would
think that if a company is lossing that much work to China that they
should be willing to lower there prices to compete.
Scott


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Donald Thompson <don@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Larry,
> I know you can get tooling done here at about the same cost,
but I
> have no idea of anyone who would be interested in such small runs
for
> production. There maybe someone, but I do not have a clue who. We
got
> our USA prices from model train companies that stopped making stuff
here
> and sent production abroad.
> Best,
> Don
>
> Larry Moore wrote:
>
> > Don, You give an interesting perspective to the supply side of
our
> > hobby, and I appreciate that. Again just out of curiosity, are
there
> > any manufacturing facilities in the US with available tooling and
> > capability of producing a product such as yours with price not
even
> > being a factor? Larry
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------
----------
> > To: mo2337@...
> > CC: jimensign50@...; jfred436@...;
> > s-trains@yahoogroups.com
> > From: don@...
> > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:25:05 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Hold On Group
> >
> > Dear Group,
> > Larry and I have been corresponding about his comments. He
posed a
> > good question I think the rest of the group should hear. He
asked
> > about
> > our costs overseas vs. the cost of the same item if made here.
> > Production costs everywhere are based on the number of ops
> > (operations)
> > needed to make the product. The cost of materials is pretty
much the
> > same, but the labor costs effect the cost of ops. If you look
at the
> > end of our freight cars, you see a road number. For SHS to
have that
> > printed on the end of the car, it cost us US$0.06 (it was a
nickel
> > when
> > we started 12 years ago). Which may not seem like very much.
But, the
> > same operation here would cost us 30 cents.. For painting,
each spray
> > mask operation is US$0.08, here is would be 40 cents. This is
a big
> > deal on engines that may have as many as 25 spray mask
operations. If
> > you add all of the ops, I think one of our $40 freight cars
would
> > cost
> > about $120 if we used the same distribution system.. I think
this is
> > why A.C. Gilbert had is HO track made in Japan.
> > Re: What is going on in China - They are very concerned. I do
not
> > believe that our factory has had these problems, but I have
been sent
> > official notice that 3 samples from each of our shipments
will now be
> > sent to a Chinese Government lab for testing and approval. We
are
> > hopeful that they can be tested quickly and our shipment
released.
> > Best,
> > Don
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44835 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Labor charges
Before I retired, I was working for a company that charged "Time and Material" to the customer. The standard time charge covered the truck I used, tools, the clerk who put my hours worked into the computer and the one who dispatched me, so it was easy to see that if I got $20.00 an hour, the time charge could be $100.00 an hour. What I never could understand was that if I worked overtime, I got $30.00 an hour, the customer would be charged $150.00 an hour. The insurance on my truck, or even the depreciation, or the clerks workload should have been covered by the first 8 hours, my working 10 or 12 should not add to that. Oh yes, a later Union contract got me double time after the first 8 hrs of time and one half, and yes, when I got the $40.00 an hour, the customer was billed $200.00 an hour. Can anyone tell me how that was proper billing?

jfred

"Alan D. Lambert" <adlbert1950@...> wrote:
I agree with Don, China has cheaper laber raits than t U.S. The one
thing I can see from this is that companies that use China or other
overseas companies for their manufacturing need to make sure that Us
standards are being met. Don has a staff over there so that that can
be monitered. Back to labor costs here in the U.S.A. Have any of you
thought about the labor charges when you take your car to be worked on.
That is the big rip off. Our labor rates are sky high when you think
about it. Just my thoughts on the matter.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44836 From: Larry Moore Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: But whose fault is it?
Stumpy, Not faulting all products made in China or all train hobby products made in China. I guess I am confused as to why after all the posts to S-Group over the last year or so complaining about Lionel's problems with Flyer branded product, why do people keep buying it? I am strictly an original Gilbert Flyer guy and therefore am prejudiced in my opinions. It does appear from reading comments from the group that American Models, S-Helper and Showcase does try and market a quality product so again, I question support of Lionel when other and probably better alternatives are available for the same or less money. Let the law of supply and demand dictate if Lionel stays in the "S" business. As much as I like the American Flyer name, what Lionel is producing is just that "name only" and is a far cry from what Gilbert offered. Like you just a man from Appalachia, born and raised in West Virginia, now living in the mountains of Western North Carolina. Have a great day, Larry Moore


To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: mrstumpy@...: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:17:44 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] But whose fault is it?




I know it's in vogue to beat up on China right now, but wait just a minute. As S Helper Service's locos, cars, track, etc. proves, quality things can come from China.That Lionel and Mattel can't get quality products made is a defect in American management and oversite. The gang at Lionel and Mattel screwed up! There is difference between trying to do things inexpensively and cost effectively, and being cheap and greedy.The gang at S Helper sweated blood to get the 2-8-0 made and still had some problems, but worked hard to straighten them out.The gang at Lionel and Mattel just wanted to take the money, no attempt to make the problem right until they were FORCED to.I'm no fan of all the manufacturing going on in China, but this is the hobby reality in a world where we pay so much for things like gasoline, medicine, etc. Don't blame the Chinese until you go after Lionel, Exxon-Mobile, and Merck too! Whether it's made in China or not,in most cases our own greedy folks are doing it to us!Stumpy Stone...poor guy from Appalachia.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44837 From: David Dewey Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Long-term issues with Flyonel
Hi all,
The recent discussion on the Docksiders and the wheezing Northerns (and I
have both) brought to mind my long-term issues with Flyonel products, and a
modification for an ACG product that always gave me problems--especially
since that mod might work on the Flyonel stuff.
1. Coupler redesign, three variatons. Flyonel couldn't live with the ACG
version of the Knucle Coupler. First, an attempt to reduce parts by
incorporating the spring into the knuckle part as a plastic spring. Worked
as poorly as their O gauge version of this "trick."
Then an "upgrade" to a die-cast coupler body, like their O coupler. Oops, S
gauge trucks are electrically "live" so this causes short circuits as soon
as the paint wears off (Note: never recalled!). The gravity weight system is
considered reliable enough, so a spring is added, and the weight
reduced--this actually works! It does complicate the coupler assembly
though. And then the last redesign--the coupler that barely opens! The shape
has been changed enough that it doesn't work well with old ACG couplers.
Now these changes aren't new either. I have a nice Flyonel NP set. I will
have to change out all the couplers before I start using it on my (future)
layout. I will also have to change out most of the couplers on the newer
Flyonel stuff so it can be coupled and uncoupled--especially the new
Docksider.
Second problem: Jackrabbit starts. Flyonel engines apparently are engineered
for a much lower starting voltage. Running that new NP set with old ACG
tranformers results in starts so sudden that the cars derail--unless they're
on a straight track. Coupling and uncoupling with the engines?? Nearly
impossible, smash smash! Now this problem I'm familiar with, as the old ACG
Baldwins were famous for this too. My solution for this (big secret here, I
wuz gonna make money on this idea!) is to take a Radio Shack full wave
rectifier, short the DC output leads to each other, unsolder the unswitched
lead to the motor (not to the Reverse unit--it needs all the amps it can
get!) and splice the AC leads between the connection and the wire. This
drops the voltage to the motor by about 3 volts, and makes for a very nice
running Baldwin. keep the chip from the body! Want an unaltered loco to put
on eBay? just unsolder the addition and solder the wire back where it was! I
am hoping I can do the same thing to the NP engines--and I won't have to
bypass the solid state reverse unit, as it works at low voltage already.
This idea might work on the Docksider too.
As to the squeeky Northerns, I will probably take the smoke units apart,
reverse the choo baffle, and mabye change the hole size, that should make it
"choo" I hope. Still need to make them smoke more though.
As to the Flyonel Baldwin not runing on Pikemaster curves, The ACG one had
problems too, but with clearance. ACG's solution was to clip off the
out-facing steps, so they wouldn't hit the corners of the cars they were
coupled to. Flyonel's rework of the chassis may have limited the truck swing
too much, though.
Actually test their products on a track??? What a radical idea!! Managers
who actually PLAY with the trains??? Gee, in AC's day they did, that's how
they'd figure out if what they were making would work and be fun. But that's
old school, we have "educated" managers nowadays. They're too sophisticated
to be doing stuff like that.
S'
David Dewey
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44838 From: ecphora123 Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: But whose fault is it?
I agree with Stumpy, but why do we have to pay as much for 'Flyonel'
only to have to re-work the stuff. Don's products work because there is
a level of honesty in the man. He loves S and he loves model
railroading. Yes, he is in buisness, but he knows too well that good
products make for happy customers who keep on buying. Lionel is not the
lionel of old. That was a long time ago. Obviously they are on the band
wagon of make it cheap for cheap and the sheep back in America will run
to the Big Box and eat it up. Don't get me started on that one as we
ride down the road on the Chinese tires that can't be re-called.

Gene Cimino
Group: S-Trains Message: 44839 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: But whose fault is it?
In a message dated 8/16/2007 10:24:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mo2337@... writes:

As much as I like the American Flyer name, what Lionel is producing is just
that "name only"




ACTUALLY, most new FLYONEL products DO NOT have the American Flyer name on
them ANYWHERE, just on the box. All other identification is LIONEL LLC, Made
In China. I mentioned this to the Sales Reps several Yorks ago, THEY were
not aware the A/F name could be important. Were going to mention to
"Marketing". There ya have it.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44840 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: Long-term issues with Flyonel
In a message dated 8/16/2007 10:24:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
djdewey@... writes:

Actually test their products on a track??? What a radical idea!! Managers
who actually PLAY with the trains??? Gee, in AC's day they did, that's how
they'd figure out if what they were making would work and be fun. But that's
old school, we have "educated" managers nowadays. They're too sophisticated
to be doing stuff like that.



I have actually SEEN one of our S Gauge manufacturer's products on the test
bench going thru the tests. Performed by their electronics guru. The
constant issue there was the reverse assembled fan driven smoke units. Tests were
performed in THIS country (USA) by an American engineer. WHAT a concept.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44841 From: ecphora123 Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: Wooden Kit
If you have never viewed it, you might consider getting a copy of
Darryl Huffman's inexpensive video on scratchbuilding in wood. Even if
you don't build the example that he based the production on, there is
still a lot of good stuff to take away from it. Darryl has a website
which describes his DVDs. Just Goggle his name. By the way, his style
is very low key and will build confidence levels. It worked for me.

Gene Cimino
Group: S-Trains Message: 44842 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: Wooden Kit
Gene,

Thank you for that information about the video.

I think that is something for me, as these things scare me. O:)!

I will look into it.

Thanks Gene,

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: ecphora123
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 11:43 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Wooden Kit


If you have never viewed it, you might consider getting a copy of
Darryl Huffman's inexpensive video on scratchbuilding in wood. Even if
you don't build the example that he based the production on, there is
still a lot of good stuff to take away from it. Darryl has a website
which describes his DVDs. Just Goggle his name. By the way, his style
is very low key and will build confidence levels. It worked for me.

Gene Cimino





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44843 From: Donald Thompson Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: Hold On Group
Dear Scott,
It is not just the cost. We are dealing with a company that is full
service with only guidance from us here. I am not an engineer (B.Sc.
Animal Science class of 1970, the riot years at OSU) and do not pretend
to be one. They do the engineering to our specs. They do all of the
engineering drawings, all the artwork, all the tooling, production,
testing, packaging, purchasing, etc. As you can see they are truly a
full service house. Our builder has been making model trains for 20
years. Where else can you find experience like that now? They make half
the model trains produced in the world. Plus, some runs are as low as
1000 items, with 5 paint schemes and up to 20 different numbers.
Companies like Athearn, Lionel, Atlas, etc. had production facilities
here in the US, but opted to move offshore. If companies that knew the
model train business could not make a go of it here, why would a company
new to our industry try to break in. Intermountain found one way using
computers for tooling, but had to move the production to our builder as
they were not able to compete.
Best regards,
Don

Scott Freeman wrote:

> Don
> Are you .................................
> >
Group: S-Trains Message: 44844 From: Phil K Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: Chinese Labor Costs
Hey Bull --

I saw that report, too -- ABC news.

When I heard those Chinese laborers were making $0.25 to $0.50 an hour for a ten-hour day, it made me do a little googling to find out what the cost of living is like for those people. Everyone, please note I am not drawing any conclusions here, just stating what I found:

Found this: 25 minute cab ride -- $1
Dinner for two, avg restaurant $4
Music CD -- $0.75
Bus fare -- $0.60
Local newspaper -- $0.06

The pay stated is for unskilled, plug-in/unplug assembly-line workers. Those with an education or skills make much, much more.

It IS very expensive to live in cities like Shanghai, Hong Kong, Bejing and also very expensive if you want "western" food, etc.

Phil K

e--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...>
wrote:
>
> I was watching the ABC evening news recently and they were doing a
> story on the recent Chinese toy recalls. They said the typical labor
> cost (including benefits) in a Chinese toy factory was US$0.25/hour.
> They also said the typical labor cost (including benfits) in a US toy
> factory was US$16.00/hour. They pointed out the US labor cost was 64
> times the Chinese labor cost. On the other hand they did show a
small
> US manufacturer of wooden toy trains that suddenly has more demand
for
> his products than he can meet even though his prices are far higher
> than the Chinese prices. It was a well done news report for a change.
>
> BG1
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44845 From: Phil K Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: Hold On Group
It is ludicrous to compare SHS and Lionel.

I think Don Thompson would be the first to tell you that running his
company is not only a business, but a passion. That shows up in his
minute attention to detail and his company's high level of customer
service. He also can afford to do this due to the relatively small
scope of S-Helper.

On the other hand, Lionel is a huge public company that has a CEO who
must answer to shareholders first, distributors second, dealers third
and customers last. That means ALWAYS adding to the bottom line
every quarter -- or he's gone. In a company the size of Lionel, the
turnover of employees and the huge number of products being
manufactured and the demands of trying to head off the competition
create an atmosphere where attention to details becomes a lower
priority than at SHS. Bottom line is, Lionel still makes S because
enough people buy it.

In my mind, that isn't the worst scenario. I still remember the days
when NO ONE was making S. To keep the gauge alive, guys were
kitbashing old Flyer locomotives and Marx cars, covering up the
litho'ed metal boxcars with printed paper boxcar sides. If you wanted
something new, you could put down an advance deposit for a kit for a
locomotive made by a cottage manufacturer -- who sooner or later was
destined to go out of business; many did, and many of us lost our
desposits in the process.

So while things could always be better, because I remember the "Dark
Ages" I still feel lucky to have SHS and Lionel and AM and a few
lower-tier others making stuff for me to run.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 44846 From: Trains Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: AMERICAN Flyer
Well said Carl, and others...

The ability to produce a quality item in the US, including all engineering, tooling, fabrication, assembly, painting, packaging and of course sales and distribution IS being done here in southern Oregon by two companies Micro-Trains (N and Z-scale) in Talent, OR and Kadee (HO, S, O and G scales) in White City, OR. Their products are some of the finest made in the world and are sold around the world. They do buy and use and resell imported items such as screws,tools etc. Their cars and couplers are completely made in-house. SO IT CAN BE DONE IN THE USA...the key is a high quality product/reputation and having a premium pricing strategy that does not cater to discounters.

As far as I know SHS has a similar aproach with quality orientation and has spent a lot of money, time and energy making sure their products are top notch and have had some problems that they have corrected through a hands on aproach and quality control. They are also doing well...made in China.

I feel that you have to be hands on and devoted to quality and control of your product (as I was with my own line of S gauge products)....this requires some railroad, modeling and machine/engineering understanding and background. With Lionel this seems to be totaly missing, compare this with Mike at Mikes Train House-they do test their items and do understand the business. Corporate types just don't have the "feel" of the model railroad/toy train business. I believe this was one of the main reasons for AC Gilberts demise...the lack of being in touch with the most important part of their business...Quality.

S scale and AF enthusiasts are a small market, compared with other scales.... It is at a disadvantage for justifying production of any item.

In regards to Lionel it is amazing to me that they continue to produce any thing at all in S ...that said, They should be concentrating on producing items that are #1 as good as the originals, with up to date electronics and with state of the art detailing, the only way, in my opinion, to improve and build CUSTOMERS is to do it better than anyone else!.

Peter Loeb





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44847 From: Phil K Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: AMERICAN Flyer
>>"...this requires some railroad, modeling and machine/engineering
understanding and background. With Lionel this seems to be totaly
missing, compare this with Mike at Mikes Train House-they do test
their items and do understand the business. Corporate types just
don't have the "feel" of the model railroad/toy train business. I
believe this was one of the main reasons for AC Gilberts demise...the
lack of being in touch with the most important part of their
business...Quality..."<<

Well, you are welcome to your opinions. But everything isn't this
black or white with Lionel and MTH, as you like to paint. To say that
about Lionel shows bias; and if you regularly read any of the O gauge
boards, they are replete with stories of MTH product failures.

And A.C. Gilbert's "lack of touch with ... quality" is untrue. The
quality decline came only as all toymakers struggled to produce
products that would be acceptable to discount stores. No one can drop
the price on ANYTHING without sacrificing quality.

Something from a magazine story I wrote awhile back (now reproduced
on Wikipedia) about the demise of the entire toy train industry --
and not just Gilbert:

"The true reason for the demise of the toy train industry was the
changing interests of American youth. A new technology called
television was taking the place of many traditional hobbies, and the
toy market was subject to the success of unpredictable overnight fads
like the Hula-Hoop and Duncan yo-yo. Kids were also eschewing their
Lionel and American Flyer trains in favor of remote-control slot car
racing sets.

"Finally, the national phenomena of the discount store craze was
ravaging toy train companies' traditional distribution network -- mom-
and-pop hobby shops -- and sending them into financial oblivion.
After they all but killed off the local hobby shop, discount stores
demanded train sets at a low wholesale price and refused to offer the
personal attention and repair services of the hobby shop. In order to
get some product -- any product -- on the shelves of discounters, toy
train manufacturers cheapened their lines to get the price point down
on train sets -- which exacerbated the downward economic spiral.
Longtime train collectors and hobbyists were offended at this newer
production, dismissing the new products as "cheap junk," an accurate
description.

"These problems were compounded by the death of its founder, A.C.
Gilbert in 1961. With the popularity of toy trains and construction
toys declining, and without another successful product line to buoy
the company's finances, Gilbert found itself in serious financial
trouble. Finally, a majority of the company was sold by the family to
a holding company, the Wrather Group, in 1962 with A.C. Gilbert, Jr.,
acting as CEO. Within a few months, though, A.C. Jr., died. The
company continued to manufacture trains of limited appeal, thanks to
the questionable quality.

"Under the new ownership, the A.C. Gilbert Co. continued to struggle,
although the new owners took a more aggressive approach to
advertising and marketing than when the firm was headed by the more
conservative A.C. Gilbert. It manufactured a wide variety of poorly-
designed and poorly-conceived toys (dolls, racing sets, games) that
sold slowly, if at all, and was nearly overwhelmed by store returns
of defective merchandise. Gilbert Co. took an especially-hard hit
when a majority of a poorly-designed and manufactured James Bond
007 slot car racing set flooded back as returns after component
failures. [Because of the number of returns, these sets are rare and
extremely collectable, now selling for an average of $1000 on ebay].
In addition, the company delivered many of its toy line products to
discounters with a "100% sales guarantee." When the merchandise
didn't sell through, it ended up back in Gilbert's warehouses. The
company discontinued the American Flyer train line in 1966 and
finally declared bankruptcy in 1967.

"Much of its toy train assets were purchased by rival Lionel, which
itself declared bankruptcy one yerar later."

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 44848 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Flyionel
I was writing a email to someone about Flyionel, as that is not a bad term to describe new AF by Lionel.

My spell check has Lionel in the system for Flyionel.

O:)!

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44849 From: muniman18 Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: FLYonel
How about someone putting all the chatter from this group together
and sending it off to the president on LIONEL.Today if something
isn't said about a product the company feels it's ok. Wake em up
that as a group we are not happy with what we are buying.Maybe we
can have some one act as the spokesperson, relay our displeasure
with the product.To moan and bitch among ourselves is not going to
get anything done. Remind them that if they build it,we may not come.
There are other products out there that work fine why bother with
something you have to fix to make it run just ok. this stuff is not
cheap. As one collective voice, it means more MIKE
Group: S-Trains Message: 44850 From: Lance McCold Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: Resistors and smoke units
So, Tim, here is an idea.

Install a can motor rather than the usual AF motor. In series with the motor put four or five 1-amp diode bridges so that the voltage to the motor is 5 or 6 volts lower than the voltage on the track. This will also make it easier to use regular AF transformers that keep about 5 volts on the track at minimum. Of course, you have to rectify the transformer output or put an E-unit between the motor and the track power.

Lance McCold
Knoxville, TN

At 10:19 AM 8/15/2007 +0000, you wrote:
>2b. Resistors and smoke units
> Posted by: "beebear" beebear@... johntech2004
> Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:24 pm ((PDT))
>
>Hi Tim
>
>I don't think it is a matter of IF it can be done, it would be a matter of where to put the resistor
>so it didn't get hot and melt something or burn up. I think my 370 diesel draws several amps
> while running. Then if you add rolling stock to that the amps go up from there. So the resistor to
>handle that amount of current could be large in size. Even the high power ones would probably
>need to have a heat sink for longer running operations. So for example lets use 14 volts and
>2 amps. Power = Volts * Current. You would have to have at least a 28 watt resistor for this.
>I don't think RS has those in their value packs. I have some 20 watt 5 ohm resistors and they are
>bigger than I want to put in my model trains. Now if you were running a steamer, you might be able
>to fit one in the tender.
>
>I think I would look for a different smoke unit before going to all that trouble with the resistor.
>
>John
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim Brown
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 9:35 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: FW: Other Question-Northern MR chuff fix
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I've never actually done this, but here's a thought. Try experimenting
> with a resistor on the armature and field to see if you can get the
> motor to require more volts to run and thereby throw a higher voltage
> to the smoke unit. It would take either a careful calculation of the
> resistor value or an experiment using a variety of resistors. A
> variety pack is very cheap at Radio Shack. You will also have to
> experiment with the wattage rating on the resistor so it won't
> overheat. I've always wanted to see an experiment like this done and
> the results posted, but I've never gotten around to do it myself. Just
> a thought. Is there anyone on this List who has either done this or
> knows if it even CAN be done?
>
> Regards,
> Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44851 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: FLYonel
I did write once to Lionel on how disappointed I was on the first reproduction of the 936 wire wheel car, as the wheel of wire has no screw to hold it down like the original.

There is the hole in the body for a screw, but no screw hole in the wire wheel, so that wont work, unless I drill a hole. I am not sure it doing that I might screw up up the wheel, no pun intended.

The wheel being loose would scratch up the body, as I had to take some mole skin, paint to match and place under the wheel to keep it from moving.

They did not care about my issue.

But a nice suggestion by Mike.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44852 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 8/16/2007
Subject: Re: FLYonel
I just took what should be the easy way to inform Lionel about all this
chatter. I sent their customer service department an email and told
them to check out the current discussion on this group. Hopefully they
have internet access at work - lol! Maybe some of the rest of you
would like to email them also. There is an email link on their website.

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "muniman18" <muniman18@...> wrote:
>
> How about someone putting all the chatter from this group together
> and sending it off to the president on LIONEL.Today if something
> isn't said about a product the company feels it's ok. Wake em up
> that as a group we are not happy with what we are buying.Maybe we
> can have some one act as the spokesperson, relay our displeasure
> with the product.To moan and bitch among ourselves is not going to
> get anything done. Remind them that if they build it,we may not
come.
> There are other products out there that work fine why bother with
> something you have to fix to make it run just ok. this stuff is not
> cheap. As one collective voice, it means more MIKE
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44853 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re;Labor costs
Fred makes a good point about American labor casts. Why DO some
businesses inflate labor costs to their customers?
Right here in little old Appalachia, the going pay for an automobile
mechanic is $12. to $17. per hour, yet the dealership charges $50. to
$70. per hour labor to fix your car. And they now charge for use of
shop towels, hand cleaner, etc. which was part of the labor rate
before.
The mechanics have to be trained to work on today's complicated
cars, the day of the shade tree mechanic are about over. And most of
these guys get little or no benefits. Yet the dealer tells the
customer his labor costs are eating him alive!
Six salesmen are lounging in the showroom in the meantime.
Locally, coal miners have taken gigantic job and pay cuts for one of
the most dangerous occupations in the country, yet coal profits are at
an all time high. The coal operators are crying about their labor and
environmental costs in the meantime.
The guys that run the hobby shop are barely making it during the
summer, paying themselves minimum wage, while having hundreds of
thousands of dollars in inventory. If the business dies, it's their
rear end on the line.
Is our world upside down? I think I'll go play with my trains.....
Stumpy Stone...lost in the hills of Ahia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44854 From: David Dewey Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Long-term issues with Flyonel--It's not ALL bad.
Hi all,
Someone pointed out to me that there are GOOD things about some of the Flyonel, and YES there are (that's what makes the shortcomings so noticable!). The new northerns ARE very nicely done, the new tooling looks great, and when the electronics work, the sound system is great--although I still question "radio talk" from a steam engine crew! (On the UP Northern, it is plausible, due to the late nature of their operating period.). The new heavyweights look fantastic, haven't run mine, so can't speak to their operating characteristics. Howvever, that being said, I would have also been happy with an exact reproduction of the ACG heavyweights--and am, in some ways disapointed that they are not--but I suspect the more scale oriented folks are very happy with the higher level of detail of the new cars. The all-new production steamers look great--way too fragile for kids, but very nice looking models. The new docksiders work better than the ACG ones, except for the couplers!
I guess what is so frustrating is how simple some of the fixes are--lighter coupler springs, better-operating couplers, smoke units that smoke--it's the simple engineering that they get wrong! And it sure seems clear that if someone in management actually ran the trains, they'd find these issues.
And then there's product labeling. No where on my new Flyonel do I see the AF name--it's just on the box. Jim Lyle wrote, "ACTUALLY, most new FLYONEL products DO NOT have the American Flyer name on them ANYWHERE, just on the box. All other identification is LIONEL LLC, Made In China. I mentioned this to the Sales Reps several Yorks ago, THEY were not aware the A/F name could be important. "
Gee, that's telling--they spend the money to give us boxes that represent the old ACG boxes, and they hold the AF name, the Gilbert name, and the "Hall of Science" but don't think we'd like to see the AF name ON the trains.
Gotta get back to my roof repair, only have two more days off!
S'
David D.
SAVE THE DELTA QUEEN!
www.save-the-delta-queen.org
Help save this American Icon, it IS up to you!

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44855 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: Re;Labor costs
As a licensed professional
I will enter this briefly.
Doctors, lawyers, architects,
engineers, etc. lease office space,
pay secretarial staff, buy supplies,
paid vacations, sick leave, health
benefits and multiply labor costs
by 2 1/2 to 3 times to cover
unseen expenses.

AC Gilbert did not allow unions
but throw in union dues then
try to pay a fair wage today
of $20 per hour. Gilbert and
Joshua Lionel Cowen only had
to pay $.50 to $1.00 per hour.

My first job in 1956 was $.50
per hour.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Stumpy Stone
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:33 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re;Labor costs


Fred makes a good point about American labor casts. Why DO some
businesses inflate labor costs to their customers?
Right here in little old Appalachia, the going pay for an automobile
mechanic is $12. to $17. per hour, yet the dealership charges $50. to
$70. per hour labor to fix your car. And they now charge for use of
shop towels, hand cleaner, etc. which was part of the labor rate
before.
The mechanics have to be trained to work on today's complicated
cars, the day of the shade tree mechanic are about over. And most of
these guys get little or no benefits. Yet the dealer tells the
customer his labor costs are eating him alive!
Six salesmen are lounging in the showroom in the meantime.
Locally, coal miners have taken gigantic job and pay cuts for one of
the most dangerous occupations in the country, yet coal profits are at
an all time high. The coal operators are crying about their labor and
environmental costs in the meantime.
The guys that run the hobby shop are barely making it during the
summer, paying themselves minimum wage, while having hundreds of
thousands of dollars in inventory. If the business dies, it's their
rear end on the line.
Is our world upside down? I think I'll go play with my trains.....
Stumpy Stone...lost in the hills of Ahia.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44856 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Labor Costs - A fun example for my friend Stumpy
Hey Stumpy,

(Note: Others may read at your own risk - lol)

It's time for school to start up again so here's a little word
problem for the students:

Since we know each other let's suppose I start an American Flyer
consulting company up in Ahia with two employees – you and me. We
basically sit in a small building and answer phone and email
questions for 8 hours, five days a week. Since I'm a nice guy I
give us each two weeks of paid vacation and another eight days off
for national holidays. I'll also pay some of our benefits from the
company revenues.

Each of us gets paid $20/hour so we make $41,600 each per year. My
costs of doing business in addition to labor include: benefits (30%
of labor), building & equipment lease = $1,000/month, utilities =
$250/month, supplies = $200/month, miscellaneous = $100/month.
Adding in the labor cost this gives me a total cost of doing
business of $126,760/year. Since it's my business I would like to
make a little profit so let's say 10% or $12,676/year. So to meet
my goal of 10% profit I need to recover my total costs plus profit
of $139,436 based on the two of us working a total of 3872 hours per
year. This assumes we are 100% billable but that never happens in
the real world. But for grins and giggles we'll say you and I find
a way to be 90% billable since we are totally dedicated to this
little business venture. So the billing rate for each of us is
$40.02/hour – that's TWICE your actual pay rate. So I must be
screwing you by covering my costs and making a 10% profit! By the
way I'm taking all of the risk here except the risk that you will
need to find another job when I go bankrupt.

This is a very basic example and we aren't even producing a physical
product, just providing a service. But it just goes to show the
company isn't always taking advantage of its employees and/or
customers when it charges much more that it "pays" on an hourly
basis.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 44857 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: Re;Labor costs
We at Pine Canyon only make .35 cents an hour. Or one gallon of cheap
wine a week. Whichever is cheapest. We still manage to make something
new from time to time though. Check the bottom of this page for another
version of style 1. http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/style1.htm
Keep punching in there!Keith
Group: S-Trains Message: 44858 From: Scale S Only Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: Labor Costs - A fun example for my friend Stumpy
You didn't mention TAXES.

Bill Winans

Each of us gets paid $20/hour so we make $41,600 each per year. My
costs of doing business in addition to labor include: benefits (30%
of labor), building & equipment lease = $1,000/month, utilities =
$250/month, supplies = $200/month, miscellaneous = $100/month.
Adding in the labor cost this gives me a total cost of doing
business of $126,760/year. Since it's my business I would like to
make a little profit so let's say 10% or $12,676/year. So to meet
my goal of 10% profit I need to recover my total costs plus profit
of $139,436 based on the two of us working a total of 3872 hours per
year. This assumes we are 100% billable but that never happens in
the real world. But for grins and giggles we'll say you and I find
a way to be 90% billable since we are totally dedicated to this
little business venture. So the billing rate for each of us is
$40.02/hour - that's TWICE your actual pay rate. So I must be
screwing you by covering my costs and making a 10% profit! By the
way I'm taking all of the risk here except the risk that you will
need to find another job when I go bankrupt.

This is a very basic example and we aren't even producing a physical
product, just providing a service. But it just goes to show the
company isn't always taking advantage of its employees and/or
customers when it charges much more that it "pays" on an hourly
basis.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 44859 From: clayton deich Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: Re;Labor costs
Hi Keith, sounds like you need to have a still out
back if that all you clear. That the drinks are
cheaper, and you will not need to go for that low end
wine. White lighting good stuff.... Hee Hee Hee
No joke most of us would love to have a job that we
love to go to every day of the week, and has something
to do with S - AF trains.

Clayton


--- Keith Blanchard <pinecanyonrr@...> wrote:

> We at Pine Canyon only make .35 cents an hour. Or
> one gallon of cheap
> wine a week. Whichever is cheapest. We still manage
> to make something
> new from time to time though. Check the bottom of
> this page for another
> version of style 1.
> http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/style1.htm
> Keep punching in there!Keith
>
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44860 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: [toytrains] York Meet notice
Copy of this is going to a S group.

My wife has a meeting in Orlando, FL that runs till Thursday of York week.

Even though we are coming to York early Friday, she told her boss she has a commitment that Thursday and can not go to the meeting.

Her boss said okay. She did not want to arrive home real late Thursday, only to get up early on Friday to go to York. O:)!

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44861 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: Re;Labor costs
In a message dated 8/17/2007 7:39:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mrstumpy@... writes:

Right here in little old Appalachia, the going pay for an automobile
mechanic is $12. to $17. per hour, yet the dealership charges $50. to
$70. per hour labor to fix your car. And they now charge for use of
shop towels, hand cleaner, etc. which was part of the labor rate
before.
The mechanics have to be trained to work on today's complicated
cars, the day of the shade tree mechanic are about over. And most of
these guys get little or no benefits. Yet the dealer tells the
customer his labor costs are eating him alive!
Six salesmen are lounging in the showroom in the meantime.



Check the realities of new car dealerships--many are supported by their
shops. The other money comes from the "comps" of selling (buying actually)
inventory. Plus selling the financing and the parts sales to other repair shops.

We have young "Doofus" where I work, nice lad, NO concept of work or life in
general at 20 yrs of age. The difference between his pay and the "cost" of
having him is 3 times his pay.

Jim "livin' on the Keystone Main" Lyle
Group: S-Trains Message: 44862 From: Phil K Date: 8/17/2007
Subject: Re: Labor Costs - Another fun example
Good insight, Bull.

I own a business. I send out bills. When the money comes in, first I
pay my employees. Then I pay the rent and utilities. Then I pay our
suppliers. Some bill payments come in 60-90 days after they're due --
and sometimes not at all. So as business owner I cover all the
expenses FIRST -- including payroll -- and if there's anything left,
I get paid.

One employee making $42,000 a year (about $20 an hour) costs me:

$42,000 salary
$6,600 matching Social Security and Medicare
$10,500 pension and profit sharing
$6,300 health insurance
$1,400 Workman's Compensation Insurance
$1,600 vacation replacement
$800 Christmas bonus

TOTAL: $69,200

And that doesn't count any mistakes they make that cost me money. Nor
does it count their office space (rent), telephone charges, coffee
and pop in the break room, etc.

Please note: I took all the risk and built this business, and the
employees get paid before I do. And if the work load (revenue) drops,
guess whose pocket that comes out of?

I always remind people that they're free to start their own business
and become just as rich as they think their bosses are.

Phil K

--

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...>
wrote:
>
> Hey Stumpy,
>
> (Note: Others may read at your own risk - lol)
>
> It's time for school to start up again so here's a little word
> problem for the students:
>
> Since we know each other let's suppose I start an American Flyer
> consulting company up in Ahia with two employees – you and me. We
> basically sit in a small building and answer phone and email
> questions for 8 hours, five days a week. Since I'm a nice guy I
> give us each two weeks of paid vacation and another eight days off
> for national holidays. I'll also pay some of our benefits from the
> company revenues.
>
> Each of us gets paid $20/hour so we make $41,600 each per year. My
> costs of doing business in addition to labor include: benefits (30%
> of labor), building & equipment lease = $1,000/month, utilities =
> $250/month, supplies = $200/month, miscellaneous = $100/month.
> Adding in the labor cost this gives me a total cost of doing
> business of $126,760/year. Since it's my business I would like to
> make a little profit so let's say 10% or $12,676/year. So to meet
> my goal of 10% profit I need to recover my total costs plus profit
> of $139,436 based on the two of us working a total of 3872 hours
per
> year. This assumes we are 100% billable but that never happens in
> the real world. But for grins and giggles we'll say you and I find
> a way to be 90% billable since we are totally dedicated to this
> little business venture. So the billing rate for each of us is
> $40.02/hour – that's TWICE your actual pay rate. So I must be
> screwing you by covering my costs and making a 10% profit! By the
> way I'm taking all of the risk here except the risk that you will
> need to find another job when I go bankrupt.
>
> This is a very basic example and we aren't even producing a
physical
> product, just providing a service. But it just goes to show the
> company isn't always taking advantage of its employees and/or
> customers when it charges much more that it "pays" on an hourly
> basis.
>
> BG1
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44863 From: Gary Chudzinski Date: 8/18/2007
Subject: Re: Labor Costs - Another fun example
Phil,
Excellent example of overhead expenses a business person faces. There are those few who rant
like experienced, know it all entrepreneurs who are quick to spend your money with statements like:
"why don't YOU"......, or, "YOU ought to do this"......., or, "it can't cost much for YOU to......., or,
"I'd like to see YOU build"......., etc. They seem to know so much about manufacturing and
business, but are reluctant to put themselves at risk. Just the requirements by federal, state and
local governments are enough to drive a person out of business. Let someone else take the financial
risk to satisfy their wants and desires. Then they just sit back and P&M when someone else doesn't
satisfy their wants. There is obviously a big difference in the planning, labor amd high tech equipment
involved in a quality resin or plastic kit vs cutting a hand full of wooden sticks and put into a box.
Keep up the good work!

Gary
chudgr@...


>Re: Labor Costs - Another fun example
>Posted by: "Phil K" waldootten@... waldootten
>Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:02 pm (PST)

>I own a business. I send out bills. When the money comes in, first I
>pay my employees. Then I pay the rent and utilities. Then I pay our
>suppliers. Some bill payments come in 60-90 days after they're due --
>and sometimes not at all. So as business owner I cover all the
>expenses FIRST -- including payroll -- and if there's anything left,
>I get paid.

>One employee making $42,000 a year (about $20 an hour) costs me:

>$42,000 salary
>$6,600 matching Social Security and Medicare
>$10,500 pension and profit sharing
>$6,300 health insurance
>$1,400 Workman's Compensation Insurance
>$1,600 vacation replacement
>$800 Christmas bonus

>TOTAL: $69,200

>And that doesn't count any mistakes they make that cost me money. Nor
>does it count their office space (rent), telephone charges, coffee
>and pop in the break room, etc.

>Please note: I took all the risk and built this business, and the
>employees get paid before I do. And if the work load (revenue) drops,
>guess whose pocket that comes out of?

>I always remind people that they're free to start their own business
>and become just as rich as they think their bosses are.

>Phil K

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44864 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 8/18/2007
Subject: Re: Re;Labor costs
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote:

> No joke most of us would love to have a job that we
> love to go to every day of the week, and has something
> to do with S - AF trains.

:-)
No joke at all in the Canyon. If I was younger and did not have the
incomes from my past paying jobs, this product line would not exist. A
few years ago, when we actually did make a small profit, we estimated
it to be about 35 cents an hour after expenses. When we make sales, we
pay our health insurance and utilities first. If we have car liscense
and insurance due, we pay that also. I own several old muscle cars and
a couple drag boats, so that pops up about every other month. My
retirement pays everything else. Our house is paid for, so no rent. My
wife takes care of her elderly parents also. They pay for the gas and
groceries. I and my help, wife and her sister who lives with us, don't
take any pay at all for our efforts. But it is getting old. Many times,
I have sold something out of my collections, like modelrailroad
equipment or a car to purchase resin, mold rubber etc. And these ladies
do drink that cheap wine!

So, if we handled our business, like a business it would not exist.
Unfortunatley this is the norm for most cottage industries catering to
our hobby. When we come out with a kit, we set the price to where we
feel it should sell for by the market. Then we see if we can survive
when it does not sell.

Hope I did not scare off any potential new manufacturers, but that is
the way it really is. No profits, just survival. I am just thankful
that I can do it at all. I long for the days when I had a paycheck to
get a haircut, drive one of my cars or get a boat on the lake.
Have fun, Keith Blanchard in the Canyon
Group: S-Trains Message: 44865 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 8/18/2007
Subject: Re: Labor Costs - Another fun example
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote:
>> $800 Christmas bonus

Wow Phil, where do I sign on? I didn't get any bonus at all in my old
job.
My luck, Keith Blanchard
Group: S-Trains Message: 44866 From: Phil K Date: 8/18/2007
Subject: Re: Labor Costs - Another fun example
I never did either, Keith.

But if you have really good people, it's cheaper in the long run to
keep them happy with little perks than it is to search for and train
new people all the time.

My employees show their appreciation with a terrific work ethic and by
being extra productive. They really care about what they do -- they
enjoy having a career instead of a job.

Phil K

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Blanchard" <pinecanyonrr@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@> wrote:
> >> $800 Christmas bonus
>
> Wow Phil, where do I sign on? I didn't get any bonus at all in my old
> job.
> My luck, Keith Blanchard
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44867 From: lvtrainmeet Date: 8/18/2007
Subject: Nice Flyer Pictures from Allentown Pa train meet
Hey just wanted to share some new photos posted for a train meet in
Allentown Pa . Visit www.lehighvalleytrainmeet.com Looks Like some
nice stuff.There is also a video thats show more good stuff. Wish I
had The American flyer Circus set. Looks to be a good mix of train
related items.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44868 From: Phil K Date: 8/18/2007
Subject: Re: Labor Costs - Another fun example
Thanks, Gary.

I should add that I started this business with my own money, as a
sole proprietor. Which means if it didn't work out, my life savings
were gone because that is what I risked. Yeah, I put my own money
where my mouth is.

As you say, some people want to start a business so they form a
corporation and try to get a bank to lend them the money to start it
up. That way, if it doesn't work out, the corporation can
declare bankruptcy, the purveyors and suppliers get stiffed, and the
principals walk away financially unscathed. Or they raise their
startup capital with either an IPO or from private investors and do
the same thing. Some people have made a career of this, because they
still walk away with whatever salary they decided to pay themselves
while the capitalization dollars held out...

Thankfully, banks are very careful how and to whom they lend money
these days. Private investors aren't always so savvy -- especially
when the scammers "guaranteed" returns of 50 percent or more.

Phil K


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Chudzinski" <chudgr@...wrote:

Phil,
Excellent example of overhead expenses a business person faces.
There are those few who
rant like experienced, know it all entrepreneurs who are quick to
spend your money with
statements like: "why don't YOU"......, or, "YOU ought to do
this"......., or, "it can't cost much for
YOU to......., or, "I'd like to see YOU build"......., etc. They
seem to know so much about
manufacturing and business, but are reluctant to put themselves at
risk. Just the requirements by
federal, state and local governments are enough to drive a person out
of business.

Let someone else take the financial risk to satisfy their wants and
desires. Then they just sit
back and P&M when someone else doesn't satisfy their wants. There is
obviously a big
difference in the planning, labor amd high tech equipment involved in
a quality resin or plastic
kit vs cutting a hand full of wooden sticks and put into a box.
Keep up the good work!

Gary
chudgr@...


Re: Labor Costs - Another fun example
Posted by: "Phil K" waldootten@... waldootten
Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:02 pm (PST)

I own a business. I send out bills. When the money comes in, first I
pay my employees. Then I pay the rent and utilities. Then I pay
our suppliers. Some bill payments come in 60-90 days after they're
due -- and sometimes not at all. So as business owner I cover all the
expenses FIRST -- including payroll -- and if there's anything
left, I get paid.

One employee making $42,000 a year (about $20 an hour) costs me:

$42,000 salary
$6,600 matching Social Security and Medicare
$10,500 pension and profit sharing
$6,300 health insurance
$1,400 Workman's Compensation Insurance
$1,600 vacation replacement
$800 Christmas bonus

TOTAL: $69,200

And that doesn't count any mistakes they make that cost me money.
Nor does it count their office space (rent), telephone charges,
coffee
and pop in the break room, etc.

Please note: I took all the risk and built this business, and the
employees get paid before I do. And if the work load (revenue)
drops, guess whose pocket that comes out of?

I always remind people that they're free to start their own
business and become just as rich as they think their bosses are.

Phil K
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44870 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 8/19/2007
Subject: How I started in S
I n 1941 I was a 9 year old with a Lionel 259E freight set and ready to
expand in my attic beyond the long loop of track I had. The Axis powers
screwed that up when wartime production forbid trains for the duration. I
began to want to do "scale" and finally found a Gilbert HO Hudson in a hobby
store sometime late in the war. Also found Varney, Megow and other car kits
with paper sides and lead trucks. My loop of track then was occupying 2
sheets of plywood that my father made into an 8' x 8' table. The Gilbert
Hudson didn't run right and was a source of frustration. Car trucks were
crude and couplers were really ugly affairs.



Then wonder of wonders, AC Gilbert brought out 2 rail S gauge trains for the
'45 or '46 Christmas season that looked scale to me. Then 12 or 13 years
old, I bought two 310 sets after deciding this must be the future of model
railroading, mass produced modern models of recognizable prototypes!



A tour of duty in the USAF and starting a family caused a long hiatus in
model railroading. When my older son was two I had an excuse to get going
again with my old 310 sets on a 4' by 8' table. That was about 1959. In
the years to follow my collection of Flyer grew and I became aware of "real
S Scale. I had too much invested in vintage Flyer to get rid of it so it
sits on shelves above the layout. On the layout I have mostly AM but also
a couple of SHS locos and many cars by each. I also kit build cars like my
2 Kaslo PRR N5C. Getting together with other S gaugers in the Rochester NY
area for the last 10+ years stoked my modeling furnace and building our
modular layout was a great experience for all of us. We used AM code148
rail and it looks really good with ballast. If we were starting today we
would use code 125. With the quality of ready to run stuff available today
I have no compunction about using kadee 802's or the rust colored ones with
hirail flanges on code 125 rail. In my opinion, running hirail wheels with
otherwise scale cars on code 125 to 148 rail is scale enough for me and a
lot more reliable to operate. My layout contains many S scale structures
from kits, conversions, and scratch built. My home layout is about 8' x 25',
our modular layout is 10' by 20' in the most common configuration. It now
has an operating 1' by 12' yard, expandable to 1' x 16', in the pit area.



I subscribe to both s-scale and s-trains because if you're having fun in
this hobby you're doing it right.

Too many rules will not increase the pleasure for most of us. I call upon
my rights to not have to be a rivet counter.



Chuck Smith



http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44872 From: Donald Thompson Date: 8/19/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Nice Flyer Pictures at Allentown train meet
Maybe I am missing something here, but this is a 5 minute still "video"
that's only S is 12 seconds of very common AF. I wonder if lvtrainmeet
is really an S gauge person?
Don
PS the train meet was last January and it seems much smaller than the
normal Allentown shows.

lvtrainmeet wrote:

> Hey just wanted to share some new photos posted for a train meet in
> Allentown Pa .
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44873 From: Tim Brown Date: 8/21/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Nice Flyer Pictures at Allentown train meet
Hi Don,

IMHO, you didn't miss a thing. Not everyone in this world should own
and use a video camera! There was virtually no content in that video,
in my opinion. Now, if you want to see what I believe is a well-done
homemade video, then I direct your attention to post #44685, where Jim
Ingram of the Susquehanna S Gaugers recorded some highlights of the
2007 NASG home layout tours. The recordings reside on UTube. There
are four parts to the entire video. I just opened another tab and did
a quick search for post #44685 and it took me to it on this List. Then
I clicked on one of the links for UTube and it still worked. I always
think it's a good idea to check links, searches, etc. before actually
hitting the "post" button and I wish more guys would do that. I also
copy 'n paste what I post into either a word doc or an email and do a
spell check - again on my wish list for others before they post.

OBTW, I LOVE the ABA MoPac set I bought recently from SHS!!!!!

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44874 From: Jack Bartman Date: 8/21/2007
Subject: TOMS TURNOUTS CODE125
Hi,

I'm building a new layout with S Helper code 125, 155 pound rail, flex
track and I would like to use Toms Turnouts and Trackwork of Maine,
code 125 number 6 switches. Unfortunately Tom reports that it could
take up to 6 months to fill an order.

I was wondering if by any chance, someone has some extras sitting on a
shelf they would like to sell to me? If you do, contact me off list.

Thank You,
Jack Bartman
Walden NY
Group: S-Trains Message: 44875 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 8/23/2007
Subject: Popsicle Sticks - Help!
I have glued up around 10 popsicle sticks one atop another and want to
cut them in half the long way. Anyone have any ideas? I was thinking
of using my scroll saw but would need to build some kind of jig to
hold them to allow a straight cut. Has anyone tried this on one of
the small 4" hobby table saws?

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 44876 From: Phil K Date: 8/23/2007
Subject: Re: Popsicle Sticks - Help!
That would be a difficult if not dangerous cut on any saw.

Here's what I'd do: hold them in a pair of pliers. Popsicle wood is
soft. Press them to a belt sander until you take them down to the right
thickness. If you need two "halves", glue up 10 more sticks and repeat.

Popsicle sticks are not that expensive -- and since I love popsicles
and any frozen confection, fun to collect.

Phil K

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...>
wrote:
>
> I have glued up around 10 popsicle sticks one atop another and want
to
> cut them in half the long way. Anyone have any ideas? I was
thinking
> of using my scroll saw but would need to build some kind of jig to
> hold them to allow a straight cut. Has anyone tried this on one of
> the small 4" hobby table saws?
>
> BG1
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44877 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 8/23/2007
Subject: Re: Popsicle Sticks - Help!
The goal is to cut the rounded ends off leaving a stick 4" long.
Then split that remaining stick in half to have two pieces 4" long.
They are impossible to cut individually so I glue a stack together to
have something large enough to hold with a jig. Once I have the cut
pieces I plan to build retaining walls with this "dimensional
lumber". And yes they are cheap - about $5 for a 1000. But the ones
you buy in bulk are not soft at all. You can hardly dent them with a
new exacto blade.

The ultimate goal is a stacked wall of these sticks in a running bond
pattern with a real dimension of 12" long by 4" high. It's too late
to cnvert that to scale right now - lol!

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote:
>
> That would be a difficult if not dangerous cut on any saw.
>
> Here's what I'd do: hold them in a pair of pliers. Popsicle wood is
> soft. Press them to a belt sander until you take them down to the
right
> thickness. If you need two "halves", glue up 10 more sticks and
repeat.
>
> Popsicle sticks are not that expensive -- and since I love
popsicles
> and any frozen confection, fun to collect.
>
> Phil K
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I have glued up around 10 popsicle sticks one atop another and
want
> to
> > cut them in half the long way. Anyone have any ideas? I was
> thinking
> > of using my scroll saw but would need to build some kind of jig
to
> > hold them to allow a straight cut. Has anyone tried this on one
of
> > the small 4" hobby table saws?
> >
> > BG1
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44878 From: mdivcag1 Date: 8/23/2007
Subject: Popsicle sticks
I have been scroll sawing for many years. Try wraping the sticls with
masking tape in two or three locations and draw a strsight line down
thecenter. Use a # 5 blade and feed slowly, good luck. Paul G.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44879 From: RCESpeak Date: 8/24/2007
Subject: Popsicle Sticks - Help!
Bull,

I think I'd try to use one of the attachments to my Dremel.
I'd have to go out and look at them all, but the dremel is small
enough to give more control than a larger saw.

Good luck.... Barb
Group: S-Trains Message: 44880 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 8/24/2007
Subject: Re: Popsicle Sticks - Help!
Try putting them in a vice & then use a belt sander to sand away the excess.
Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44881 From: Trains Date: 8/24/2007
Subject: Scenery hints re: filling in depressions etc. with Bondo???
Whoaaa... Bill, pull up the hourses and sit a bit.....The yard furrows/depressions can be filled/leveled with a water clean-up, acrylic caulk used to caulk windows doors etc. this stuff comes in grey, black, beige, brown, white and even silver...depending on brand. It is a great material to use around the layout for a ground cover dabbed, blended, and troweld on. in thin layers it dries within about 20-30 minutes (putting down ties/ballest) , in thick 3/8-1/2" beads can take days-weeks to set up all the way. the nice thing is it can be blended with acrylic paints for just about any color you want, can add a bitt of water to thin, and can be used to lay ties, secure landscaping, rocks, ballest, plant trees, telephone poles, etc. I have found that it's relativley low fumes and easy water clean up (while still moist) is a big plus. Can put on some surgical gloves and use fingers to apply, or spatulas, or a fork for furrowed fields etc. Can be used as a filler for sides of straight cuts of Homosote to create the proper slope to roadbed, filler round culverts, accesories, etc. and to fill in inbetween depressions to level stuff.

Keep in mind that this caulk , by its nature retains flexibility and is a bit rubbery when dried, but is firm and and can be pried away, cut or scraped. When still fresh it can be washed away, thinned, mixed with other compatible materials and colors. It also has great sound deadning and sticking qualities. I use a caulking gun and squeeze out what ever I need, a misting bottle with a bit of vinegar and tiny bit of liquid dish soap added (protect against mildew/wetting agent) to help with staying moist while working the caulk-use mist sparingly.

The brand that I found best in terms of quality/price/color selection is DAP acrylic latex caulk, the color I have in front of me is "cedar tan" price ranges from about a Dollar to a couple of bucks, depending on where/when you buy. To close top of tube I use a large electrical wire nut or a large nail. If it you store an opened tube, seal with duct tape. To keep caulk from extruding out of tube relieve pressure of caulking gun. I think that's about it. Have fun!

Hope this will be helpfull to you and others, Dr. K. Loeb (Peter)



----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Lane" <bill@...>
To: "S Scale List" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:30 AM
Subject: {S-Scale List} module work

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44882 From: ER Date: 8/25/2007
Subject: Warning: TWO items for sale well under list price
I ended up with 2 items that are extra and I am looking to sell.

Both are new in their boxes.



#1) American Models 4-8-4 Northern in Milwaukee colors, DC Hi Rail
version. $320 shipped to you in USA48 (list is $369+ship)



#2) A set of 5 S Helper Ore cars in BLE paint. $135 shipped to you in
USA48. (list is $179 +ship)



Thanks for looking



Cashiers check, Money order, Paypal work. Maybe a personal check if I know
you or you are TCA.



Eric Reis

Kenmore, Wa



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44883 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/26/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/26/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44884 From: louis glumac Date: 8/26/2007
Subject: FOR SALE
HI, large amount of track and switches and stuff for sale\
straight $1.50
curves $0.50
switches $35 pair
roadbed straight $4 each
roadbed curved $3
old style track trip $2
x-overs $5
re-railers $20


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44885 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/26/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/26/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44886 From: Donald Thompson Date: 8/26/2007
Subject: Re: SHS Display Model Sale
The last sale in August will be our SHS Display Model Sale. In the past Robin has offered "out of stock" display models at our Annual Open House in June. All of these items have been used either as static display models, painted samples or on our portable 5'X9' display layout. They have all been out of the box, handled and in some cases operated. Being these are sold out (some for several years) Robin is asking for 90% of the MSRP.
They will be sold on a first come, first served basis. I will have Bill Clark update the list as he is able. You can list alternates in the comments area of the Americat order page. If code 110 wheels are needed, please indicate that in the same comments area and we will include the code 110 wheels (not installed).
If you have questions, please feel free to either call M-F 10AM to 4PM us (732-441-0555) or send me e-mail at:
don@...
The webpage with the list of available display models can be found at:
http://www.showcaseline.com/SampleSale.htm

Best regards,
Don Thompson
S Helper Service Inc.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44887 From: porschebob1953 Date: 8/27/2007
Subject: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
Starting with the first issue in 1990, I have purchased the annual AF
Christmas car. This was a fun thing to do in addition to my
traditional AF collection. How disappointed I was to see this year's
boxcar has the big Lionel monogram on the side of the car. There is no
way I would put this car on the same shelf as my other AF cars. We all
have to live with the fact that Lionel makes AF trains but we don't
have to advertise for them. How difficult would it have been to put the
AF name on an AF car or no name at all? I will never buy another AF
made by Lionel product.
Bob
Group: S-Trains Message: 44888 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 8/27/2007
Subject: Re: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
In a message dated 8/27/2007 10:02:40 AM Central Daylight Time,
arena-10@... writes:

I will never buy another AF
made by Lionel product.
Bob

Just my opinion, but Congratulations! You can sell the Christmas cars at a
profit and start collecting higher quality Christmas cars from SHS if
collecting is important. I am not a collector as such but I do purchase the SHS
Christmas cars that I like for purposes of running at Christmas, cars like last
year's bulkhead flat with the wrapped Christmas present. This car was much more
attractive than any of the comparable Lionel-made cars I have seen. And I have
the Christmas stock car with the blinking nose Rudolph the Reindeer inside.

Again, just my opinion. - Earl Henry, Nashville

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44889 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 8/27/2007
Subject: Re: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
I agree! When I saw that big "L' on the side, my initial reaction was negative. I thought maybe I was just a bit over-sensitive, but I'm glad to see others share this feeling. What's going on with Lionel? Are they making a conscious and obvious effort to do away with the Americn Flyer line by first doing away with the name? I recall someone pointing out that there are no "American Flyer" stampings anywhere on the new Flyonel cars.
I bought last year's Christmas car, too, even though it was $10 more than the same car in O gauge. No More. I'll be looking for an alternative.
Jim E.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44890 From: detmer@charter.net Date: 8/27/2007
Subject: Re: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
Hi guys,

This is indeed disappointing! One thing we can do if you don't do it already is consider getting the SHS holiday cars, which are wonderful. I've got most of them as well and I really like them. They are a much more diverse group of cars than the Flyonel that have for the most part been one boxcar after another with a gondola and caboose thrown in for good measure over the years. But get your order in quickly for the SHS cars because they go fast!

Tom

---- jimensign50@... wrote:
> I agree! When I saw that big "L' on the side, my initial reaction was negative..........................................
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44891 From: Ed Date: 8/27/2007
Subject: Re: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
If you are looking at the 2007 Christmas catalog, you are absolutely correct
about the L being on the s gauge car. Now go to the Lionel 2007 Train
catalog, Volume 2 and on page 14 you will see the picture of the S gauge
American Flyer car with American Flyer printed across the side. As I see it
now, there was a printing error in one of the catalogs and I hope it was the
Christmas one.



Ed Eckert





-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of jimensign50@...
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:26 AM
To: porschebob1953; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar



I agree! When I saw that big "L' on the side, my initial reaction was
negative. I thought maybe I was just a bit over-sensitive




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44892 From: arena-10@sbcglobal.net Date: 8/27/2007
Subject: Re: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
Ed,
I was looking at the online Lionel, Volume 2 catalog. Are you looking at the boxcar or the gondola? The boxcar definitely has the Lionel logo.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed
To: jimensign50@... ; 'porschebob1953' ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 2:34 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar


If you are looking at the 2007 Christmas catalog, you are absolutely correct about the L being on the s gauge car. Now go to the Lionel 2007 Train catalog, Volume 2 and on page 14 you will see the picture of the S gauge American Flyer car with American Flyer printed across the side. As I see it now, there was a printing error in one of the catalogs and I hope it was the Christmas one.



Ed Eckert





-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jimensign50@...
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:26 AM
To: porschebob1953; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar



I agree! When I saw that big "L' on the side, my initial reaction was negative. I thought maybe I was just a bit over-sensitive



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44893 From: Larry Moore Date: 8/27/2007
Subject: Re: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
To the group, I believe it is time to accept the fact that American Flyer has passed away. As with losing a close loved one, may we have a period of mourning and move on with our lives. Remember the good times and fond memories, and enjoy the true "Flyer" that may be on our shelves and running on our layouts. All good things must come to an end and "L" has brought American Flyer to that end. Rest in peace. Now back to happier thoughts and pastimes-- Hey, who unplugged the transformer? Enjoying the true Gilbert Classics, Larry Moore


To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: arena-10@...: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:36:10 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar




Starting with the first issue in 1990, I have purchased the annual AF Christmas car. This was a fun thing to do in addition to my traditional AF collection. How disappointed I was to see this year's boxcar has the big Lionel monogram on the side of the car. There is no way I would put this car on the same shelf as my other AF cars. We all have to live with the fact that Lionel makes AF trains but we don't have to advertise for them. How difficult would it have been to put the AF name on an AF car or no name at all? I will never buy another AF made by Lionel product.Bob






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Group: S-Trains Message: 44894 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 8/27/2007
Subject: Re: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar, why buy any Lionel AF freight cars ?
I have already commented once on the Lionel produced Christmas boxcars. I
should have gone a little further and asked this question:

Why buy any Lionel produced American Flyer boxcars or other freight cars ?
They are inferior products compared to AM or SHS freight cars and very much
overpriced. Same with their diesels and streamlined passenger cars.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44895 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: Re: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
<<<I was looking at the online Lionel, Volume 2 catalog. Are you looking at the boxcar or the gondola? The boxcar definitely has the Lionel logo.>>>

Then there must be TWO DIFFERENT Catalog 2 versions out there!
My copies definitely show "AMERICAN FLYER" on the S-gauge boxcar.......no Lionel logo!
?????????????

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
www.sgaugetrains.com
www.flyerparts.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
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1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44896 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
Maybe but maybe Lionel is in the process of selling the American Flyer name
to MTH? Stranger things have happened. Lionel may want to keep manufacturing
S ga. but now strickly under the Lionel brand name. They may use this as part
of a settlement with Mike, who knows.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44897 From: Gary Chudzinski Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: Re: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
I am not an AF collector, but perhaps if all of you disappointed colletors would express your strong feelings directly to Lionel, it might make a difference. Seems to me if I were a manufacturer and produced something offensive to my customers, and sales dropped off I'd want to do something about it. The same S-Trains List energy directed toward Lionel should have better results! Myself, I don't have any problems with Lionel in S scale. Go SCALE! :-) :-)
Just my 2 cents worth.

Gary Chudzinski

chudgr@...



AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
Posted by: "porschebob1953" arena-10@...
Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:01 am (PST)

Starting with the first issue in 1990, I have purchased the annual AF
Christmas car. This was a fun thing to do in addition to my
traditional AF collection. How disappointed I was to see this year's
boxcar has the big Lionel monogram on the side of the car. There is no
way I would put this car on the same shelf as my other AF cars. We all
have to live with the fact that Lionel makes AF trains but we don't
have to advertise for them. How difficult would it have been to put the
AF name on an AF car or no name at all? I will never buy another AF
made by Lionel product.
Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44898 From: Bill Drake Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
Note: forwarded message attached.
I looked at the Volume II catalog on line and it
clearly shows a Lionel logo on the S gauge Christmas
box car. Perhaps the print edition of which I don't
have a copy is different than the on-line version.

Bill Drake



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44899 From: velapoldi Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
Hi all:
Guess at some time (it has only been almost 40 years) we have to
acknowledge that Lionel is the owner of what used to be the ACG Co., who
_/*used to make*/_ AF S gauge trains. Now it is Lionel who is keeping
it going and if they want to put the Lionel logo on it, then they should
be able to do that. Of course, we all can vote with our pocket books
and stick mainly with SHS, AM and all the great small companies who are
producing all the other products we use. Unfortunately, this only
addresses the high-rail side of things, and not the AF collectors, etc.
what to do besides start a writing campaign as Gary suggested (it also
must be noted that he said "go scale" :-) ).


Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

Bill Drake wrote:
>
> Note: forwarded message attached.
> I looked at the Volume II catalog on line and it
> clearly shows a Lionel logo on the S gauge Christmas
> box car. Perhaps the print edition of which I don't
> have a copy is different than the on-line version.
>
> Bill Drake
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44900 From: roy inman Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: Re: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
Yes Bill, in the print version on page 14 it clearly says "American Flyer"
on the box car. And on the adjoining page 15 the candy cane gondola says,
in small type, "Built 2007 ACG."

Please see my other post on the subject, just sent.

Roy Inman

From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...>
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 05:51:32 -0700 (PDT)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar


Note: forwarded message attached.
I looked at the Volume II catalog on line and it
clearly shows a Lionel logo on the S gauge Christmas
box car. Perhaps the print edition of which I don't
have a copy is different than the on-line version.

Bill Drake

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44901 From: roy inman Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: FW: General Product Question-AF Christmas Box
Just FYI, those who wondered, here is the response I got from Lionel
regarding what symbol would be on the 2007 Christmas box car...And BTW, the
candy cane gondola shows in small reporting number type "BUILT 2007 ACG."

Roy Inman

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> From: TALK TOUS <TALKTOUS@...>
> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:15:39 -0400
> To: rinphoto@...
> Subject: Re: General Product Question
>
> I have check on that and the A/F Christmas Boxcar will have American
> Flyer on it, not the Lionel logo.
>
> Thank you.
> Talk to Us
>
>>>> <rinphoto@...> 8/27/2007 2:49 PM >>>
>
>
> From:
> Roy B Inman
> 8937 Country Hill CT
> Lenexa KS 66215
> 913-541-1759
> rinphoto@...
>
> Product Number: N/A
>
>
>
> Club Membership Number: N/A
>
> Question:
> Ok Lionel folks: In the 2007 Christmas catalog the S gauge Christmas
> car is shown with the Lionel emblem; in the 2007 Catalog volume II, the
> same car is shown with the AF marking.
>
> Which will it be upon delivery?
>
> Thanks in advance for your response :)
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44902 From: Ed Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: Re: AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
Thank you Doug



To clear things up, there are 4 catalogs out there:

1. Xmas online
2. Xmas Hard copy
3. Volume 2 online
4. Volume 2 Hard copy



The first three have the same error while the Volume 2 Hard copy has the
correct picture; see the response from Lionel below and Doug Peck.





From:

Ed Eckert



Club Membership Number: N/A



Question:

I received your latest Volume 2 2007 catalog. Looking at the Xmas catalog,
the online Xmas catalog and the online volume 2 catalog the same picture of
the American Flyer Boxcar has the L insignia on it. The new catalog has the
American Flyer across the side of the car. Which is it going to be? I hope
with the American Flyer on the side. Thanks, Ed



This is the reply I got from Lionel's customer service, Talk to us.



I have checked on that A/F Christmas Boxcar will have American Flyer on the
side, not the Lionel logo.



Thank you.

Talk to Us





I was looking at the online Lionel, Volume 2 catalog. Are you looking at the
boxcar or the gondola? The boxcar definitely has the Lionel logo.>>>

Then there must be TWO DIFFERENT Catalog 2 versions out there!
My copies definitely show "AMERICAN FLYER" on the S-gauge boxcar.......no
Lionel logo!
?????????????

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44903 From: Bill Vasilion Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: 30 %off at hobby shop
Bill's englewood station is clearing out American Flyer by
Lionel at 30%off.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44904 From: Bill Vasilion Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: Bill's englewood Station
Okay My hobby shop is Bill's englewood Station in Orland Park, IL
I am closing out what little American Flyer by Lionel I have at 30%.
Engines are another 10% off.
Store phone is 708/460-4906.
Thanks bill
Group: S-Trains Message: 44905 From: Allan V Eisenhaur Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: MP54
Hi All

Has anyone made an MP54 from a Flyer heavy weight coach. I have every
ready for the project, but I thought I see if anyone tried with any
success and get there insight. This way I maybe able to avoid any pit
falls.

Thanks Al
Group: S-Trains Message: 44906 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] AF 2007 Christmas Boxcar
Here's what LIONEL says about the '07 xmas car



In a message dated 8/28/2007 10:05:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
TALKTOUS@... writes:

I have checked and that Christmas boxcar will have American Flyer on the
side, not the Lionel logo.

Thank you.
Talk to Us
Group: S-Trains Message: 44907 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 8/28/2007
Subject: WARNING EBAY TRAIN ITEM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200146678077

If anyone is bidding or knows anyone bidding on this item, please be advise, it does not have the correct rocket, which greatly effects the value.

I have emailed the seller twice to educate him and for him to let the bidders know the situation.

I have not heard from him. I guess I wont most likely.

Mike Marmer



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44908 From: Art Shifrin Date: 8/29/2007
Subject: 200146678077 AF rocket car ebay
I just checked the listing & the seller did post the correction.

Best,
Shiffy


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44909 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 8/29/2007
Subject: Re: WARNING EBAY TRAIN ITEM
Thanks Bob, as I see that.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] WARNING EBAY TRAIN ITEM


MIKE He has posted the information on the site.... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:58 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] WARNING EBAY TRAIN ITEM



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200146678077

If anyone is bidding or knows anyone bidding on this item, please be advise, it does not have the correct rocket, which greatly effects the value.

I have emailed the seller twice to educate him and for him to let the bidders know the situation.

I have not heard from him. I guess I wont most likely.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44910 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 8/29/2007
Subject: Re: WARNING EBAY TRAIN ITEM
MIKE He has posted the information on the site.... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:58 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] WARNING EBAY TRAIN ITEM



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200146678077

If anyone is bidding or knows anyone bidding on this item, please be advise, it does not have the correct rocket, which greatly effects the value.

I have emailed the seller twice to educate him and for him to let the bidders know the situation.

I have not heard from him. I guess I wont most likely.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44911 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 8/29/2007
Subject: Re: 200146678077 AF rocket car ebay
Thanks Shiffy, as I see he did, finally. O:)!

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Art Shifrin
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:19 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] 200146678077 AF rocket car ebay


I just checked the listing & the seller did post the correction.

Best,
Shiffy

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44912 From: ER Date: 8/30/2007
Subject: ITEMS for sale well under list price - Warning the term Hi-rail is
Since Chuck B. has not returned any emails I still have these items for
sale.





1). SHS Burlington Northern set of 5 ORE cars (new in the unopened box)
Remember the ore car sets include both wheel types and both coupler types!!
$135 includes shipping to USA48 (if you don't want the kadee couplers or
wheels I will knock off some $)

2). AM Milwaukee Northern 4-8-4 Engine DC powered hi-rail..This is as
new.. $320 includes shipping to USA48 (I do have an e-unit board I can
throw in from an AM engine.You install)

3). SHS Milwaukee Caboose (will sell only with engine) $50 added to
engine ($370 total) Kadee style couplers included. ( both wheel types, both
couplers) with shipping included to USA48



.All 3 of the above items $500.



#4) Classic Toy Train Magazines for sale also, I would like to sell them
all as a set but will divide them up if someone wants them.

32 issues, all for $60 shipped to
USA..1992--apr,oct..1993--jan,mar,sep,nov....1994-jan,mar,may..1997-feb,mar,
jul,nov,dec...1998-jan,mar,may,jul,sep,nov,dec...1999-jan...2000-jan,feb,may
,sep..2001-feb,mar,sep,oct...2002-jul,nov...



I was going to ebay this stuff but I have been swamped at work in and out of
town so much I figured I would try them here again.



Thanks for looking



Eric Reis

Kenmore, Wa.

TCA,NASG since 86

















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Group: S-Trains Message: 44913 From: Donald Thompson Date: 8/30/2007
Subject: Re: 26th annual Fall Get-Together
Everyone is invited to the 26th annual Fall Get-Together to be held
on the weekend of 21st thru 23rd of September. More info can be found at:
http://www.nasg.org/cjss

Don Thompson
Group: S-Trains Message: 44914 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 8/30/2007
Subject: Re: 26th annual Fall Get-Together
Earl Henry responds: I cannot travel all the way to New Jersey for this
event but it sure does look like fun. I have enjoyed seeing the photos and
comments that Bill Lane put on his website. I especially like the photo of the
entire assembled layout being moved 3 feet due to rain leaking through the ceiling
in one spot, with you, Don Thompson shown coordinating this flawless train
movement.

I am amazed at all the train videos on You-Tube, including some really good
ones taken of layouts on tour at the NASG Convention in Baltimore. I hope the
CJSSers will make an attempt to put their modular operations on You-Tube.

And Andre, I hope you will do the same at the 1st Annual Sooner S Meet next
year in Poteau, Oklahoma (better known on this list as Patootey)!

- Earl Henry, Nashville, TN

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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

In a message dated 8/30/2007 7:25:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
don@... writes:

Everyone is invited to the 26th annual Fall Get-Together to be held
on the weekend of 21st thru 23rd of September. More info can be found at:
_http://www.nasg.http://w_ (http://www.nasg.org/cjss)

Don Thompson





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44915 From: Scale S Only Date: 8/30/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: [S-Trains] RE: 26th annual Fall Get-Together
Sooner S Meet. I like the sound of that (but will probably never make the
trip)!

Have fun!
Bill Winans

----- Original Message -----
From: tennsgauge@...

And Andre, I hope you will do the same at the 1st Annual Sooner S Meet next
year in Poteau, Oklahoma (better known on this list as Patootey)!

- Earl Henry, Nashville, TN
Group: S-Trains Message: 44916 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 8/31/2007
Subject: Free Shipping Extended - Pine Canyon Advertisement
For those of us that don't get paid until the end of the month, we have
extended our summer free shipping through to the end of Tuesday the
fourth of September. Also, due to customer requests, we have another
surprise project in the works.
Have a safe holiday week-end, Keith Blanchard
http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 44917 From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build Date: 8/31/2007
Subject: URL
GUYS:
Here's a site I ran across that offers some unusual 1:64 items. This site may be common knowledge to some, but I've not seen it mentioned before.

http://www.akhobby.com/cat_164_scale21.cfm

Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44918 From: RCESpeak Date: 9/1/2007
Subject: URL
Great site, Gerry..... Thanks.... Barb
Group: S-Trains Message: 44919 From: Trains Date: 9/1/2007
Subject: S Gauge Heralds
Hi everyone, looking for S Gauge Herald magazines for 1963, 1964 and 1965. Specifically Vol. 3, No.1, 2 and 6; Vol. 4, No. 1, 2, 3, 4 and 6 and Vol. 5, all issues. If you have complete years only to sell for 1963 and 1964 that would be fine also.
Prefer good condition, no pages missing or mildewed, stained, torn, and from a smoke free environment.

Thanks, Dr. K. Loeb (Peter)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44920 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/2/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/2/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44922 From: Gerry Evans dba Best of Show Model Build Date: 9/2/2007
Subject: Lots of S
GUYS:
The URL I put up the other day for A & K Hobby was just a dent in the surface. All that URL got you was some detail parts, though they're some really nice detail parts. This URL is their home page. I did some more hunting around on their site today, and found modern trucks, cars, construction equipment, and buildings including a snap-together BP gas station. Most other buildings are farm-related but most come with animals and people. The folks behind A &K are die-hard die-cast 1:64 truck people so a great number of their items tend to complement 1:64 die-cast. If nothing else, take a look at the 1:64 ABF two-trailer rig under Custom Trucks. Ain't seen nothing like it before.

http://www.akhobby.com/default.cfm

Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44923 From: race944t Date: 9/2/2007
Subject: York passes arrived
The early bird get their passes. I couldn't believe they came back within 5 days of sending the registration form. Looks like they have some good help this year. See you at Blue K-21.

Banker Bill Clark

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44924 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 9/3/2007
Subject: Atlantic questions
Okay American Flyer experts, here's a question for you! I know
there were alot of versions of the plentiful Atlantic steam locomtive,
and I'm not knowledgeable enough to sort them out.
Which ones had smoke & Choo-choo in metal boilers with plastic
tenders?
Which ones had smoke & Choo-choo in plastic boilers and plastic
tenders?
Did all the Atlantics which smoke in boiler also have the Choo-choo?
What got me thinking about this was that I seem to run across Metal
boilered ones with the ugly, rusty, dented, tin tenders. Or I seem to
find plastic ones with no smoke and Choo-choo. Being a runner, not a
collector, it's beginning to look like I need one of each to fix up a
single decent Atlantic to play with!
Stumpy Stone...fixer upper in Appalachia
Group: S-Trains Message: 44925 From: geep39 Date: 9/3/2007
Subject: Atlantics! Aieeeee!
Stumpy:
Here's what I know about Atlantics--I'm sure others may be more
knoledgeable.
299 Rather rare, but I think reverse in boiler (don't know much)
300 Reverse in 3-piece boiler,metal tender-some variations
301 All plastic-reverse in tender, choo-choo, no smoke-link coupler
302 True transition piece-link couplers, smoke and choo-choo in boiler,
boilers range from 3-piece w/some valve gear, to one piece metal,
to one piece plastic. Metal tender, some plastic tenders
303 Smoke & choo-choo in plastic boiler, plastic tender, few
variations maybe no plug to tender, Pull-Mor tires!
307 "Cheapy"-great parts source-no smoke or choo-choo, all plastic-
no plug to tender, Pull-Mor tires
21160 All plastic, smoke & choo-choo sometimes, 2 position reverse unit
may also have manual switch reverse unit. Easily detatchable tndr
may be lost
21161 Same as above, usually a real cheapy, sometimes PRR-marked
tender easily lost, Well, it's an Atlantic

For a runner, my favorite is the multi-piece 302 with a 303 or 307
tender behind it modified with a plug-in. That one has a smaller
boiler with a hint of valve gear.

Now, for a real runner, get a 302 one-piece boiler, put a 303 chassis
under it (pull-mor tires), with a 303 or 307 tender modified as above.

One of the problems with the 303's and other plastic boilers is that
the screw holes break out in them which I suspect is due to smoke
fluid attacking the plastic. Turn one of those up with a busted cab
or "custom painted" with lacquer and there's a heckuva chassis to put
under that metal boiler.

Hope that clears things up a little.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44926 From: Tim Brown Date: 9/3/2007
Subject: Re: Atlantic questions
Hi Stumpy,

I'm not a collector either so I don't know the answer to your
question. However, what I did was to take one of those cast Atlantic
boilers, drill out the smoke stack and mount it atop a smoking
chassis. You can take your pick of ugly tenders or do what I did. I
bashed a tender to a slope-back. It's easy enuf to do and certainly
well within your skill set. You could even add an LED rear light
and/or a set of marker lights to it. An old Marx slope-back might
just work as well, with Flyer trucks, of course. Oh, and while
you're at it, take the linker trucks off whatever tender you pick and
either pound some knuckle trucks back on or even better yet, pound or
screw on a set of SHS trucks and devise a way to wipe the wheels down
for an all-wheel pick-up system. I bet it would yield one beast of a
switcher! Stick a Timko on the chassis and it will run like you
wouldn't believe. Do what Phil Dunlop does and replace the old ACG
smoke box with an MTH smoker and sync the smoke output to the drive
wheels at the rate of four chuffs per revolution.

Here's another one I've mused over but haven't done. Try to fit an 0-
8-0 chassis under a metal Atlantic boiler and make a slope-back
tender for it! Why? Because you can?

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44927 From: clayton deich Date: 9/3/2007
Subject: Re: Atlantic questions
Stumpy, you can only have one whole smoke unit or
half of a unit here. The choo - choo is in the first
part next to the piston, and then comes the smoke box.
What AF did was to cut the unit in half, and put the
choo - choo from the piston side of the half in the
train. The smoke side I would think was then scraped
out.

Scott C. D.


--- Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote:

> Okay American Flyer experts, here's a question for
> you! I know
> there were alot of versions of the plentiful
> Atlantic steam locomtive,
> and I'm not knowledgeable enough to sort them out.
> Which ones had smoke & Choo-choo in metal boilers
> with plastic
> tenders?
> Which ones had smoke & Choo-choo in plastic boilers
> and plastic
> tenders?
> Did all the Atlantics which smoke in boiler also
> have the Choo-choo?
> What got me thinking about this was that I seem to
> run across Metal
> boilered ones with the ugly, rusty, dented, tin
> tenders. Or I seem to
> find plastic ones with no smoke and Choo-choo.
> Being a runner, not a
> collector, it's beginning to look like I need one of
> each to fix up a
> single decent Atlantic to play with!
> Stumpy Stone...fixer upper in Appalachia
>
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44928 From: clayton deich Date: 9/3/2007
Subject: Re: Atlantics! Aieeeee!
Hi, in my older book there is only a few types of the
299 and the book reads as this.

299: 1954,4-4-2, Atlantic, one piece blackplastic
engine with operating headlight. Plug and jackwiring
between locmotive and tender, no choo choo or smoke.
tender has sheetmetal trucks and link coupler which
make it only link coupler engine produced in 1954
(uncommon)
(A) Atlantic- type black sheet metal tender
containing reverse unit.
(B) Atlantic- type black plastic tender containing
reverse unit
This All came out of the Greenberg's Guide to AF S
Gauge.

Like I said my book is older, and can any one now
add more from the new books that are out?

Clayton S. D.





--- geep39 <schwartzsj@...> wrote:

> Stumpy:
> Here's what I know about Atlantics--I'm sure others
> may be more
> knoledgeable.
> 299 Rather rare, but I think reverse in boiler
> (don't know much)
> 300 Reverse in 3-piece boiler,metal tender-some
> variations
> 301 All plastic-reverse in tender, choo-choo, no
> smoke-link coupler
> 302 True transition piece-link couplers, smoke and
> choo-choo in boiler,
> boilers range from 3-piece w/some valve gear, to
> one piece metal,
> to one piece plastic. Metal tender, some plastic
> tenders
> 303 Smoke & choo-choo in plastic boiler, plastic
> tender, few
> variations maybe no plug to tender, Pull-Mor
> tires!
> 307 "Cheapy"-great parts source-no smoke or
> choo-choo, all plastic-
> no plug to tender, Pull-Mor tires
> 21160 All plastic, smoke & choo-choo sometimes, 2
> position reverse unit
> may also have manual switch reverse unit.
> Easily detatchable tndr
> may be lost
> 21161 Same as above, usually a real cheapy,
> sometimes PRR-marked
> tender easily lost, Well, it's an Atlantic
>
> For a runner, my favorite is the multi-piece 302
> with a 303 or 307
> tender behind it modified with a plug-in. That one
> has a smaller
> boiler with a hint of valve gear.
>
> Now, for a real runner, get a 302 one-piece boiler,
> put a 303 chassis
> under it (pull-mor tires), with a 303 or 307 tender
> modified as above.
>
> One of the problems with the 303's and other plastic
> boilers is that
> the screw holes break out in them which I suspect is
> due to smoke
> fluid attacking the plastic. Turn one of those up
> with a busted cab
> or "custom painted" with lacquer and there's a
> heckuva chassis to put
> under that metal boiler.
>
> Hope that clears things up a little.
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44929 From: clayton deich Date: 9/3/2007
Subject: Re: Atlantic questions
I didn't think about this until now, but if AF had
cast the smoke - choo choo units with ( No-fills) -
not all of the casting is there. They could of cut the
bad side off of the casting so they could still sell
them to people to whom didn't like the smoke. Some Mom
out there may not of liked the smoke - smell. They
could of got some of there money out of the scrap
castings, and make a new line run of trains. Do any of
you know just when the only choo choo came out, and
could this 299 be the start of Choo choo only.
Now what do we do as time passes by, and people
change the train by adding things that were not there
OEM? There is one more thing AF service stations could
of added smoke unit later on too. What is a collector
to do with all this? Well just have fun with it, and
that's what AC Gilbert may of wanted us to do with
them - along with the cash....

Clayton S. D.


--- clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote:

> Stumpy, you can only have one whole smoke unit or
> half of a unit here. The choo - choo is in the first
> part next to the piston, and then comes the smoke
> box.
> What AF did was to cut the unit in half, and put the
> choo - choo from the piston side of the half in the
> train. The smoke side I would think was then
> scraped
> out.
>
> Scott C. D.
>
>
> --- Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> > Okay American Flyer experts, here's a question
> for
> > you! I know
> > there were alot of versions of the plentiful
> > Atlantic steam locomtive,
> > and I'm not knowledgeable enough to sort them out.
> > Which ones had smoke & Choo-choo in metal boilers
> > with plastic
> > tenders?
> > Which ones had smoke & Choo-choo in plastic
> boilers
> > and plastic
> > tenders?
> > Did all the Atlantics which smoke in boiler also
> > have the Choo-choo?
> > What got me thinking about this was that I seem
> to
> > run across Metal
> > boilered ones with the ugly, rusty, dented, tin
> > tenders. Or I seem to
> > find plastic ones with no smoke and Choo-choo.
> > Being a runner, not a
> > collector, it's beginning to look like I need one
> of
> > each to fix up a
> > single decent Atlantic to play with!
> > Stumpy Stone...fixer upper in Appalachia
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44930 From: Vin Kosobiecki Date: 9/3/2007
Subject: Atlantic questions
Try For your answer.

http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm


Vin



Okay American Flyer experts, here's a question for you! I know
there were alot of versions of the plentiful Atlantic steam locomtive,
and I'm not knowledgeable enough to sort them out.
Which ones had smoke & Choo-choo in metal boilers with plastic
tenders?
Which ones had smoke & Choo-choo in plastic boilers and plastic
tenders?
Did all the Atlantics which smoke in boiler also have the Choo-choo?
What got me thinking about this was that I seem to run across Metal
boilered ones with the ugly, rusty, dented, tin tenders. Or I seem to
find plastic ones with no smoke and Choo-choo. Being a runner, not a
collector, it's beginning to look like I need one of each to fix up a
single decent Atlantic to play with!
Stumpy Stone...fixer upper in Appalachia









Vin



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44931 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 9/4/2007
Subject: Re: Atlantic questions
Thanks, y'all...My questions are answered. And I learned some
things I hadn't thought about. This is one of the great values of
this list, the information of a large gruoup of good people!
Thanks again!
Stumpy in Appalachia
Group: S-Trains Message: 44932 From: Art Shifrin Date: 9/4/2007
Subject: Re: Atlantics! Aieeeee!
They appear much more formidable when connected to a diecast pennsy
tender (310, 312, etc)

Shiffy


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44933 From: Ingram-Jim-sListservers Date: 9/4/2007
Subject: ?? re ACSG Tidewater Div, Train Control @ Baltimore NASG
I was reviewing some video on my camcorder,
that was taken at the July 2007 NASG convention in Baltimore,
of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers "Tidewater Division" layout,

The Tidewater Division is the layout that was operating on the ground
floor in the rear of the registration room at the hotel.

They have 5 loops running.
The middle 3 loops appear to each have TWO trains running on each loop.

My assumption is that they must be running 2 trains on the same track
using one of the following methods:
(a) block control
(b) command control, TMCC or DCC
(c) or else using similar-speed engines,
and "tuning" speeds by adding/subtracting cars from each engine.

~~~~~

QUESTION: Can anybody tell me HOW ??
they are controlling the trains on the middle 3 tracks ???
(when running 2 trains on the same loop).

THANKS in advance for any assistance you can offer.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44934 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 9/5/2007
Subject: ?? re ACSG Tidewater Div, Train Control @ Baltimore NASG
They are using a block control system developed by
ACSG Carolinas Division member Calvin Azarowicz.

Joe

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44935 From: omahakid2003 Date: 9/5/2007
Subject: american flyer trains dot com
I just found out today that Mark Preman sold off
americanflyertrains.com, and it is now owned and run by David S. Blum
of Baltimore City, Maryland. (Is Baltimore City different than
Baltimore?)

I bought several things from Mark and was satisfied with all of them.
Knowing he was trying to sell the business, it surprised me that it was
sold in July and no mention was ever made of it, especially here. But
now you know....

By the way, this is a very late thanks, but I still want to thank
everyone who responded to my query back around June about the whistle
in a 314AW. I never did get the whistle to work, but then I never did
anything besides put AC or DC current to it. Some day I'll buy a
whistle controller for it and try again. The reason for the late reply
is that I had some computer problems, including losing ability to get
to Netscape, where I had my e-mail saved, so changed went to Outlook
Express. I never did get Netscape to work again, so there are a bunch
of lost e-mails out there that I can't respond to.

Mike Vana Omaha, NE.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44936 From: G C Date: 9/6/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3775
Question: Is Baltimore City different from Baltimore? Answer: Only if you are living there! L.O.L. I lived just outside of the place for about 62 years. People there refer to Baltimore City as opposed to being in Baltimore County. Since Baltimore County sort of surrounds the city! The city is a municipality which means it is not in any county of the state of MD. This would be unlike Chicago which is in Cook County. Just a note on history. At the time of the Civil War, Baltimore was very much southern in orientation as a lot of agricultural money moved from the south through the place. When war broke out many of the banks failed. The town owes it's name to Lord Baltimore.

Gene Cimino

(Now living in Potato Chip City) Hanover, PA




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Group: S-Trains Message: 44937 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 9/6/2007
Subject: AF 342 DCC conversion, pics posted in photo album
Hi All;

For those into DCC conversions, I just completed converting an unused
342 to DCC and thought some may be interested.

I've had that loco for years, but it was a clunker. DCC has made it
a really nice little loco.

I put in MTH electronic smoke unit, pn A0000011, so I could get more
puffs per chuff. Also fashioned a front coupler so it can do some
yard work. It's got SnS can motor, the small one with the brass
drive, it just barely sticks it's nose out the back, so I painted it
black and put a perfboard back plane on the cab,,,, I've got the
Loksound 2-8-0 sound project in there, as close as I could find, I
think..... needs another whistle, but other than that it sounds
great. Lastly,,, put all wheel power pick up on the tender along
with SHS metal wheels, much improved power pick up now. It makes you
smile watching it chug around, at least it does me.

Just thought you might like to look.

cheers
phil d
Group: S-Trains Message: 44938 From: tedcanflyer Date: 9/7/2007
Subject: Warning... American Flyer eBay comment enclosed
Just a quick note about Stouts Auction listings on eBay. I couldn't
believe all of the rare items listed by Stout Auction's! If anyone ever
wanted a Fox billboard or a Fox, Keystone, or White's boxcar here they
are, along with a factory cut out sample steamer, a Simmon's set, plus
many other top boxed sets and items. Neat to realize that these things
that you glimpse in books, pictures and articles actually do exist.

Ted
Group: S-Trains Message: 44939 From: Ingram-Jim-sListservers Date: 9/7/2007
Subject: --YouTube #2: Baltimore NASG Hotel Layouts
SUBJECT: Hotel Layouts at the 2007 NASG Convention in Baltimore MD

I just finished uploading YouTube Parts 5 thru 8, showing the four
Club layouts that were set up at the Best Western convention hotel.
((Parts 1-4 were uploaded back in around July 26, and showed the
seven home layouts.))
:
:
A.======= DIRECT YOUTUBE LINKS =======

1st FLOOR Layout:

* PART 5/8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqmlWMhXIFg - Layout #1,
Atlantic Coast S Gaugers - Tidewater Division, set up on the ground
floor in the back of the registration room.
Note this layout had 5 loops operating. The three middle loops
appear to be using an automatic block system to control two trains on
each of these loops. I tried to point this out in the video.

5th FLOOR Layouts:

* PART 6/8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDPNK7zlFkk - Layout #2,
Potomac Valley S-Gauge Assn, plus a couple of glimpses of the
Chesapeake & Allegheny Live Steamers in Leakin Park.

* PART 7/8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlh3BWJVlfw - Layout #3,
Atlantic Coast S Gaugers - Washington & Old Dominion Chapter

* PART 8/8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_VHOQnf7mY - Layout #4,
North Penn S Gaugers,
plus a glimpse of the largescale layout at the B&O Museum, plus a
glimpse of the HO layout at the Ellicott City B&O Museum.

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PHOTO PAGE - (by Glenn Ritter): use http://tinyurl.com/2k8dr8
or http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/NASG07LAYOUTS.html .

Note that the YouTube text description contains LINKS to go from one
YouTube video to the next.
((The whole "story" is now divided into 8 YouYube parts, to fit the
pieces within YouTube's 10-minute length limitation.))
:
:
:
===================================
B. == ALTERNATE links to get to the above four YouTube movies:

* http://RailVideo.org - This TEMPORARY forwarding domain name
'RailVideo.org' will take you to Part 5, the first hotel layout video.

* http://RailVideos.org - This forwarding domain name
'RailVideos.org' will take you to the Track2 'Video Index Page' which
has links to all 8 of the 2007 NASG/BAAFC videos.

* http://Track2.com - This URL will take you to the Track2.com'
home page, which links to the above-mentioned 'Video Index Page'.
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C. == OTHER COMMENTS:

Walk Around -- I tried to do a "walk around the layout" to show what
track and accessories was on each layout, and how it was all
positioned. As I sit here and watch the video, and look at all the
stuff these clubs had on these layouts . . . . . it makes me
fatigued, just thinking about how much effort it must have taken to
assemble these layouts.

Identify Sides -- One thing that has "bugged" me about some of the
videos I have viewed in the past, is that I couldn't tell what part
of the layout I was being shown. Therefore, when I edited this
video, I tried to identify which side of the layout was being viewed,
i.e. "front", "right side", "back", or "left side".

((For whatever reason, I did the "walkaround" in a counter-clockwise
direction; probably from habit, because I have been taught to
naturally travel CCW around rooms ("line of dance") as a ballroom
dancer.))

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44940 From: Ingram-Jim-sListservers Date: 9/7/2007
Subject: More ?? re ACSG Tidewater Div, Train Control @ Baltimore NASG
>On Sep 5, 2007, at 8:21 AM, Joseph Haenn wrote:
>>They are using a block control system developed by
>>ACSG Carolinas Division member Calvin Azarowicz.
>>Joe

SUBJECT: Block Control system, on Atlantic Coast S Gaugers "Tidewater
Division" layout

I'd like to know if Joe or anyone from the the Atlantic Coast S
Gaugers "Tidewater Division",
can provide more DETAILS about this system:

* Manual or automatic (appears automatic)
* Activation method (electric eye, mechanical trip, magnet, etc)
* Logic method - using 'red' & 'green' trips (i.e. 'stop' &
'go') or a single 'red' trip with a timer.

If I had to guess, I would guess they are using a 'z-stuff' or
similar type of infrared electric eye as a single 'red' trip, to
activate a time delay, that sets the block 'red' for the length of
the time delay behind each passing train (which stops a fast train
when it tries to catch up with a slow train).
But that's just a WILD GUESS on my part.
I'm hoping someone 'in the know" will give me the real facts.

This system can observed (somewhat) in the YouTube NASG/BAAFC Video
#5, showing the layout at the July Baltimore NASG setup, at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqmlWMhXIFg .

This layout had 5 loops operating. The three middle loops are
apparently using an automatic block system to control two trains on
each of these loops. I tried to point this out in the video, while
filming along the left side of the layout (near the end of the
video) . ((The video shows some of the trains stopping and starting,
but contains no info about how the system works.))

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:

Apparently not being very observant, I did not even realize there
were multiple trains operating on 3 of the loops.
I only noticed couple of days ago, when I started examining the video
to edit it. I then said to myself, "Heyyyyy, there's more than 1
train running on some of those loops."

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44941 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 9/7/2007
Subject: Re: AF 342 DCC conversion, pics posted in photo album
Hi Phil,

Nice work on the 342! It looks like a real smoker. Do you have a
way to make a video for us to enjoy?

BTW - I noticed the Gator neon sign above the layout - I have my
Gator neon beer signs (Bud and Fosters) in my TV room - lol!

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All;
>
> For those into DCC conversions, I just completed converting an
unused
> 342 to DCC and thought some may be interested.
>
> I've had that loco for years, but it was a clunker. DCC has made
it
> a really nice little loco.
>
> I put in MTH electronic smoke unit, pn A0000011, so I could get
more
> puffs per chuff. Also fashioned a front coupler so it can do some
> yard work. It's got SnS can motor, the small one with the brass
> drive, it just barely sticks it's nose out the back, so I painted
it
> black and put a perfboard back plane on the cab,,,, I've got the
> Loksound 2-8-0 sound project in there, as close as I could find, I
> think..... needs another whistle, but other than that it sounds
> great. Lastly,,, put all wheel power pick up on the tender along
> with SHS metal wheels, much improved power pick up now. It makes
you
> smile watching it chug around, at least it does me.
>
> Just thought you might like to look.
>
> cheers
> phil d
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44944 From: Cary Date: 9/7/2007
Subject: 21165 repair
Greetings all. My name is Cary Youmans, have been a member of this
group since early this year. After following the various discussions
and topics with great interest, I have found you all to be a
magnificent source of information, inspiration and encouragement, with
a few interesting challenges thrown in. I'm sure someone on this list
can help me with this question, one I feel falls in the silly
category. Is there some "trick" to detaching the body of a 21165 from
its chassis, other than prying the shell apart wide enough for the
chassis tabs to come out of the shell slots? All my searches of the
arcives here have produced no satisfactory results. Thankful in
advance for all replies.

Blessings,
Cary
Group: S-Trains Message: 44945 From: Ron Inscho Date: 9/7/2007
Subject: Re: 21165 repair
As you might have guessed by now , it's a fact that these engines really
were not intended to be worked on / taken a part , But here is what I have
been able to get away with. first let the engine body get warm , let it set
in the sun for a while , this will make the plastic easy to bend . Then with
a small screw driver start at the front mount on one side gently pry the
body out to clear the tab , then on the same side do the same to the rear ,
once you get this side out then do the other side & then the chassis should
be free at the rear & ready to pull out of the remaing front mount . take
your time you can do it
Group: S-Trains Message: 44946 From: Robert A Persing Date: 9/8/2007
Subject: Re: 21165 repair
I use a double jointed snap ring pliars like the ones used in automotive repair.these are the ones that both jaws move straight out and not on an angle.The will spread the body out and you can release both tabs at the same time.But be carefull you can break the body. Bob Persing
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From: Ron Inscho
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 21165 repair


As you might have guessed by now , it's a fact that these engines really
were not intended to be worked on / taken a part , But here is what I have...............

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44947 From: Joe Haenn Date: 9/8/2007
Subject: Re: More ?? re ACSG Tidewater Div, Train Control @ Baltimore NASG
Jim,

This is a completely automatic system using block sections to
trigger and this system also can use slow-down blocks. Calvin
Azarowicz builds the systems, complete with a variable adjustable
timer. For more information, contact Calvin (AV8@...)
directly. However, he is a corporate pilot for Southeastern Freight
Lines and is currently testing a new Lear Jet. You also could
contact Jeff Hill (jshmqqn@...), who installed this system on
the Tidewater layout.

Joe

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ingram-Jim-sListservers <shoot-all-
spammers4@...> wrote:
>
> >On Sep 5, 2007, at 8:21 AM, Joseph Haenn wrote:
> >>They are using a block control system developed by
> >>ACSG Carolinas Division member Calvin Azarowicz.
> >>Joe
>
> SUBJECT: Block Control system, on Atlantic Coast S
Gaugers "Tidewater
> Division" layout
>
> I'd like to know if Joe or anyone from the the Atlantic Coast S
> Gaugers "Tidewater Division",
> can provide more DETAILS about this system:
>
> * Manual or automatic (appears automatic)
> * Activation method (electric eye, mechanical trip, magnet,
etc)
> * Logic method - using 'red' & 'green' trips (i.e. 'stop' &
> 'go') or a single 'red' trip with a timer.
>
> If I had to guess, I would guess they are using a 'z-stuff' or
> similar type of infrared electric eye as a single 'red' trip, to
> activate a time delay, that sets the block 'red' for the length
of
> the time delay behind each passing train (which stops a fast
train
> when it tries to catch up with a slow train).
> But that's just a WILD GUESS on my part.
> I'm hoping someone 'in the know" will give me the real facts.
>
> This system can observed (somewhat) in the YouTube NASG/BAAFC
Video
> #5, showing the layout at the July Baltimore NASG setup, at
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqmlWMhXIFg .
>
> This layout had 5 loops operating. The three middle loops are
> apparently using an automatic block system to control two trains
on
> each of these loops. I tried to point this out in the video,
while
> filming along the left side of the layout (near the end of the
> video) . ((The video shows some of the trains stopping and
starting,
> but contains no info about how the system works.))
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:
>
> Apparently not being very observant, I did not even realize there
> were multiple trains operating on 3 of the loops.
> I only noticed couple of days ago, when I started examining the
video
> to edit it. I then said to myself, "Heyyyyy, there's more than 1
> train running on some of those loops."
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
> ---
> Thanks. - Jim Ingram
> 570-477-2520 Voice Mail, Williamsport PA
<http://www.track2.com>
> Macintosh G4/OS 10.4
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
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> ---
> :
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>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44948 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 9/8/2007
Subject: The Corner, Another Version of Cruising Main 1, News Advert
We just today posted photos of two new versions of style 1 for the
Cruising Main series. Two different corner structures. Its just a peek,
but the final photos will be posted near the end of this month. We had
so many requests for a corner of this style, so we had to do it. It has
taken us away from working on style 2 for a while, but it is worth it.
Here is a link to the fun. The new kits are at the bottom of the page.
http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/style1.htm
Happy Railroading, Keith Blanchard and the Pine Canyon Crew
Group: S-Trains Message: 44949 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/9/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/9/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44950 From: Doug Peck Date: 9/9/2007
Subject: 21165 repair
<<<Is there some "trick" to detaching the body of a 21165 from
its chassis, other than prying the shell apart wide enough for the
chassis tabs to come out of the shell slots?>>>

Check out our Spreading Tool on the TOOLS page of our website.
This is one of many uses for this tool.

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Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
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www.flyerparts.com
Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44951 From: John Degnan Date: 9/9/2007
Subject: New Manufacturer???
Maybe I missed something somewhere, but I don't recall hearing of this manufacturer before - "Clever Models"... anyone else heard of them? Walthers has their stuff listed on the following page with quite a few photos of their offerings :

http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?category=&scale=S&manu=&item=&keywords=&instock=Q&split=300&Submit=Search

(or just click HERE if the hyper-link isn't stripped by Yahoo)

Some of this stuff looks quite nice, but it must be some sort of stick-on type of product due to the low price.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44952 From: roy inman Date: 9/9/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} New Manufacturer???
News to me as well John.

I notice that they also offer (or are going to offer) lighted drumheads in
S. One of my favorite roads, the KCS, is on the list.

Roy Inman

From: John Degnan <Scaler164@...>
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 10:29:32 -0500
To: "POST : (S) S-Trains Group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) S
Scale Trains Of Today Group" <SSTOT@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) S Scale
Prototype Modeler Group" <SSPM@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) S Scale Model
Railroading Group"<sscalemodelrailroading@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) S
Scale Group" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: {S-Scale List} New Manufacturer???


Maybe I missed something somewhere, but I don't recall hearing of this
manufacturer before - "Clever Models"... anyone else heard of them?
Walthers has their stuff listed on the following page with quite a few
photos of their offerings :

http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?category=&scale=S&manu=&item=&keywords=&
instock=Q&split=300&Submit=Search
<http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?category=&scale=S&manu=&ite
m=&keywords=&instock=Q&split=300&Submit=Search>

(or just click HERE if the hyper-link isn't stripped by Yahoo)

Some of this stuff looks quite nice, but it must be some sort of stick-on
type of product due to the low price.

John Degnan
Scaler164@... <mailto:Scaler164%40comcast.net>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44953 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/9/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/9/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44954 From: Scale S Only Date: 9/9/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} New Manufacturer???
Hi John and All --

Looks to me like they are cardstock buildings, much like the ones I used to
sell that were in cardboard "cutout" booklets. Just the same, when viewed
from from more than a couple of feet they are VERY convincing. I hope that
Walthers gets them soon.

Have fun!
Bill Winans

P.S. Thanks, John, for bringing them to our attention!

http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?category=&scale=S&manu=&item=&keywords=&instock=Q&split=300&Submit=Search

Some of this stuff looks quite nice, but it must be some sort of stick-on
type of product due to the low price.

John Degnan
Scaler164@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 44955 From: John Degnan Date: 9/9/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} New Manufacturer???
Re: {S-Scale List} New Manufacturer???On the topic of lighted drumheads... just incase you didn't know, Tomar Industries already offers them in S :

http://www.tomarindustries.com


http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?category=&scale=S&manu=&item=&keywords=drumhead&instock=Q&split=300&Submit=Search
or click HERE...


John Degnan
Scaler164@...

----- Original Message -----
From: roy inman
To: John Degnan ; POST : (S) S-Trains Group ; POST : (S) S Scale Trains Of Today Group ; POST : (S) S Scale Prototype Modeler Group ; POST : (S) S Scale Model Railroading Group ; POST : (S) S Scale Group
Sent: September 09, 2007 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} New Manufacturer???


News to me as well John.

I notice that they also offer (or are going to offer) lighted drumheads in S. One of my favorite roads, the KCS, is on the list.

Roy Inman


From: John Degnan <Scaler164@...>
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 10:29:32 -0500
To: "POST : (S) S-Trains Group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) S Scale Trains Of Today Group" <SSTOT@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) S Scale Prototype Modeler Group" <SSPM@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) S Scale Model Railroading Group"<sscalemodelrailroading@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : (S) S Scale Group" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: {S-Scale List} New Manufacturer???




Maybe I missed something somewhere, but I don't recall hearing of this manufacturer before - "Clever Models"... anyone else heard of them? Walthers has their stuff listed on the following page with quite a few photos of their offerings :

http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?category=&scale=S&manu=&item=&keywords=&instock=Q&split=300&Submit=Search <http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?category=&scale=S&manu=&item=&keywords=&instock=Q&split=300&Submit=Search>

(or just click HERE if the hyper-link isn't stripped by Yahoo)

Some of this stuff looks quite nice, but it must be some sort of stick-on type of product due to the low price.

John Degnan
Scaler164@... <mailto:Scaler164%40comcast.net>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44956 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 9/9/2007
Subject: Re: american flyer trains dot com
BLATENT AD

I was wondering 2 what ever happened.......
If anyone might be interested I have the web address AMERICANFLYERTRAINS.NET for sale.... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: omahakid2003
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 3:09 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] american flyer trains dot com


I just found out today that Mark Preman sold off
americanflyertrains.com, and it is now owned and run by David S. Blum
of Baltimore City, Maryland. (Is Baltimore City different than
Baltimore?)

I bought several things from Mark and was satisfied with all of them.
Knowing he was trying to sell the business, it surprised me that it was
sold in July and no mention was ever made of it, especially here. But
now you know....

By the way, this is a very late thanks, but I still want to thank
everyone who responded to my query back around June about the whistle
in a 314AW. I never did get the whistle to work, but then I never did
anything besides put AC or DC current to it. Some day I'll buy a
whistle controller for it and try again. The reason for the late reply
is that I had some computer problems, including losing ability to get
to Netscape, where I had my e-mail saved, so changed went to Outlook
Express. I never did get Netscape to work again, so there are a bunch
of lost e-mails out there that I can't respond to.

Mike Vana Omaha, NE.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44957 From: acgilbertflyer Date: 9/9/2007
Subject: UP 844 pictures taken today
Group: S-Trains Message: 44958 From: lvtrainmeet Date: 9/9/2007
Subject: Good Train meet coming Sept. 15-16 Allentown PA
Hello Just wanted to let everyone know there is a nice train meet
coming
this weekend in Allentown Pa. Its held at Merchants Square Mall
at 1901 S 12th St Allentown Pa. www.lehighvalleytrainmeet.com This is
a 2 day show with saturday dedicated to HO,N Brass and scale
items,Then Sunday it is dedicated to O,S Standard and large scale
items. There is over 10,000 square feet of Model and toy trains plus
railroadania Repair parts and more. The show is Sept 15th and 16th I
have attached the website link for info and directions. I would
definetly recomend attending , Hope to see you there.
Kevin, Northampton Pa
Group: S-Trains Message: 44959 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 9/9/2007
Subject: Re: american flyer trains dot com
It is still:
http://www.americanflyertrains.com/

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; omahakid2003
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] american flyer trains dot com


BLATENT AD

I was wondering 2 what ever happened.......
If anyone might be interested I have the web address AMERICANFLYERTRAINS.NET for sale.... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: omahakid2003
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 3:09 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] american flyer trains dot com

I just found out today that Mark Preman sold off
americanflyertrains.com, and it is now owned and run by David S. Blum .........


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44960 From: Bill Lane Date: 9/10/2007
Subject: Bulk Ballast source
Hi All,



I am sending this out as a public service announcement. I am NOT getting any
remuneration whatsoever for this email. I have found a source of a bulk
material that can be used right out of the bag as track ballast. There is no
dying of play sand and letting it dry etc. This product is ready to use! The
company is HYPERLINK "http://www.estesco.com/"http://www.estesco.com. I was
quoted $17.00 per FIFTY POUND bag plus shipping. I am finding out that 50
pounds will go a long way. Since I just pitched it to Esteco this afternoon,
they are probably not completely ready not deal with us train folk on a 1
and 2 bag order yet. I advised them to ship it is a spackle bucket as the
thick paper bag will not due for UPS. I am sure they will accommodate us if
there is enough interest. Here is a 2MB photo of my modules with the ballast
applied. HYPERLINK
"http://www.lanestrains.com/Bulk_Ballast.jpg"http://www.lanestrains.com/Bulk
_Ballast.jpg It is a quartz material that is dust free, and is uniform in
color and size. The 50 pound bag I got was the medium gray �Trowel Rite�
product. I thought at first that it was just slightly too small for S Scale
but it is growing on me now. I think most HO scale modelers will drop dead
when they see this material. They make different sizes and colors as well. I
did not get into any details of what might be used to N or O scale. That
will be up to you.



I would expect it to cost at least $25.00 per 50 pounds to ship, but that is
still significantly a better price then the $4-5.00 per pound for the
Woodland Scenics materials.



I have added this info to my S Scale modules page as well so you do not have
to keep this email. HYPERLINK
"http://www.lanestrains.com/S_Scale_Modules2.htm"http://www.lanestrains.com/
S_Scale_Modules2.htm It will be here forever.



Do NOT contact me with any questions. Contact Tom Catrambone 1-800-248-2271
or HYPERLINK
"mailto:tomc@...?subject=I%20am%20interested%20in%20your%20products%2
0for%20Model%20Railroad%20Ballast"email him.





Thank You,

Bill Lane



Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988



See my finished models at:

http://www.lanestrains.com

Winner of the 2007 Josh Seltzer NASG Website Award

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44961 From: Robert Graves Date: 9/11/2007
Subject: My head is spinning!
Have you seen this Friday's auction at
stoutauctions.com? I got their permission to use
their pictures on my site and have downloaded a lot of
very rare items that will soon appear in The Gilbert
Gallery. If you want to see some items you've never
seen before, check it out.

Bob


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Group: S-Trains Message: 44962 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 9/11/2007
Subject: Keystone Line - Real or Repro??
OK all you AF experts - take a look at this Keystone Line boxcar on
eBay: item number 120156651850. Is it real or a repro?

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 44963 From: rdgroup427 Date: 9/11/2007
Subject: Gilbert Gallery
How do you get to the Gilbert Gallery site?
Group: S-Trains Message: 44964 From: Dale Smith Date: 9/11/2007
Subject: Re: Keystone Line - Real or Repro??
It is hard to tell from the pictures. It sure seems to parallel the description in Deger's book. Even the broken brake wheel might be the "missing brake wheel" version. (Or is that just "look how dumb I am" bait?) I really hate sellers who claim to know nothing about trains though. ("I think it might be an s-scale train car") If that is really true, he can be glad that his prospective purchasers knew enough to bid it up. At least he has a return policy.

Dale Smith
----- Original Message -----
From: Bull_Gator_1
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:21 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Keystone Line - Real or Repro??


OK all you AF experts - take a look at this Keystone Line boxcar on
eBay: item number 120156651850. Is it real or a repro?

BG1





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44966 From: Wayne B. Date: 9/12/2007
Subject: who's collection is this for sale?
I just got on ebay to take a look and saw page after
page after page of AF items for sale on "absentee
auction". They had about every piece of Flyer anyone
could ever want.

My gads!! Who had this much stuff?

Who's collection is this for sale?

Look at:

http://search.ebay.com/american-flyer-trains_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQcatrefZC6QQfcclZ1QQfclZ4QQfromZR10QQfrtsZ216QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ3QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQsabfmtsZ1QQsacatZQ2d1QQsaobfmtsZinsifQQsbrsrtZd



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44967 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 9/12/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Vertical Clearance
Snagging the top container of a container car on a tunnel portal or bridge
while running a 16 car train is not a pretty thing, and I speak from
experience. Better to err on the high side. Now I maintain a minimum
height clearance of ¼”. One thing people didn’t bring up is that a little
track maintenance, like eliminating a hump by raising adjacent track, can
end up raising the track height locally. I will say that debugging a layout
to reliably run a draw bar coupled set of 3 Des Plaines container cars was
an experience. One gentle s curve needed to be made even gentler. Cars
were finally reworked to use metal AM trucks and weighted containers to
eliminate some strange derailing due to leaning which occurred with the snap
together plastic trucks that came with my cars years ago. Cars now run
reliably on our 36” radius module curves and even on the one end of my
layout that still uses flyer radius.



_____

From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
ken garber
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 8:19 AM
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Vertical Clearance



I would think that if you take your tallest car, measure its height
and add maybe a 1/4 inch, you may be safe.

As long as you don't add hycubes or autoracks later on, you'd probably be
okay.

Just don't forget to install tell-tales in front of the low clearances.

: )

regards

ken

On 9/12/07, Ed Kozlowsky <soldado7264@ <mailto:soldado7264%40yahoo.com>
yahoo.com> wrote:
> Gentlemen,
> The NMRA standards specify 4-1/8" vertical clearance from the railheads
> for S. I have one spot on my current layout design that is a bit of a
> problem. I'm modeling 1951, so will have no modern equipment to worry
> about. I don't even like modern equipment, so It's no temptation for
> me. What do you think is the minimum I could get away with? Ideally
> I'm looking at 3-5/8" if it's at all doable. What do you think? I
> don't have anything to measure yet, but it's on the way.
>
> Ed Kozlowsky
> Sanford, Maine
>
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44968 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 9/12/2007
Subject: Re: who's collection is this for sale?
This is a blurb from? stoutauction.com? the stiff is from Pilot Hobbies in Chicage and John Pyfer.? I used to buy at Pilot Take alook at their site absolutly great AF Standard Guage and Lionel.? Tom


?


The first September auction will have part II of the Pilot Hobbies from Chicago train store/collection that was started in the 30's and includes NOS postwar, parts, NOS shells and 1000's of catalogs. A huge portion of this auction will highlight the American Flyer collection of John F. Pyfer, JR. Mr. Pyfer is an attorney at law in Pennsylvania. Mr. Pyfer started collecting trains as a child because he was lucky enough to have an aunt that owned the Haines Hobby Shop in Reading, PA. The serious collecting started around 1974. Mr. Pyfer joined the TCA in 1977 and became President of the Keystone Division in 1984. With Mr. Pyfer and his wife, Carol, downsizing and easing into retirement they have decided they want other people to enjoy his years of collecting. People who know Mr. Pyfer also knew his home was always open for viewing this outstanding collection as he loved to share his collection with others. Numerous items from this collection are documented and photographed in all 3 Greenberg's American Flyer S gauge editions, an article in Classic Toy Trains and an article in the S Gaugian magazine. John's collection is known for its awesome diversity and fantastic selection of variations including many items of which only a few examples are known to exist.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44969 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 9/12/2007
Subject: Re: Keystone Line - Real or Repro??
Looks correct but these were reproduced some years back by Greg Kreft and
are almost identical to original.
Buyer beware of this kind of seller.

Harwood



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44970 From: bphent Date: 9/13/2007
Subject: S Gauge Backdrop Scenes
Some S-gaugers may have missed the introduction of our first S scale
backdrop kit (U030 – Midtown) last spring. We have now introduced a
second kit – U032, Downtown Alley, which is 9 feet after assembly and
will connect to Midtown to extend the trackside S gauge urban scene
to 20 feet. A review appears in Sept 2007 S-Gaugian magazine.
Other kits in our catalogue that are compatible with S scale are:
C017, C018 Great Lakes Docks
C023 Elevator and Lake Boat
D001/D002/D003 Four Corners Desert Series
F023/F024/F025 Rural Roots Series
R003 Moose Pasture (R003R-the reversed and connectable scene-also
available)
R009 Autumn Lake
U021 Suburban Farms
As well, many S-gaugers use our HO and smaller scenes to create
forced perspective views.
We welcome enquiries from modelers, and being long-time modelers
ourselves, we enjoy photos and stories. More S-gauge kits will be
made available as demand dictates.
Dealers in our growing network seem reticent about carrying our S
scale lines, telling us that the market is too thin. We would welcome
enquiries from or references to reputable dealers with a strong S
scale interest.

Les Mavor,
BPH Enterprises
http://www.sceniking.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 44971 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 9/13/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3782
Please keep in mind, when setting clearances for tunnels, allow for the
General and Franklin smoke stack. Both of these are O gauge narrow gauge
1/4 scale models, running on S gauge track.
Jerry 77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 44972 From: hjsheff Date: 9/13/2007
Subject: Pre war AF
Hi Guys and gals

I would appreciate it if someone could give me the current value info on a pre ward AF engine
no. 420 in very good condition.

Howard Sheffield
Group: S-Trains Message: 44973 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 9/14/2007
Subject: Auction companys
Hey Guys and Gal.... need your opinion on something.....
If you had a choice to Auction Several items in "s" which would you use and why.....
New England Toy Trains
Ambrose Bauer
Someone that can sell everything from Hot Wheels to Happy Meal toys.... Guns to Model kits..... Magazines to Paper toys.... I need to thin out and ned some room....
Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44974 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 9/14/2007
Subject: pre ward AF engine
Howard: My books don't show a #420. Is this a stamped steel or die
cast. I would assume it is stamped steel about 1937-38 may have a value
$125.00. my guess. check E-bay
Jerry 77-11644



Hi Guys and gals

I would appreciate it if someone could give me the current value info on
a pre ward AF engine
no. 420 in very good condition.

Howard Sheffield
Group: S-Trains Message: 44975 From: Robert Graves Date: 9/14/2007
Subject: Re: Gilbert Gallery - here's the URL
http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/trains.html


rdgroup427 <rdgroup427@...> wrote:
How do you get to the Gilbert Gallery site?






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Group: S-Trains Message: 44976 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 9/15/2007
Subject: cleaning plastic
I have a plastic AF engine that need a good cleaning, as it is a 21168 Southern "Casey Jones" type engine.

There is dirt embedded in the "coal" and along edges on the tender.

What type of cleaning supplies can I use, if any. Maybe just pure water? Any type of brush that will not scratch the plastic.

Also, on the draw bar under the tender is some rust.

I was told that plain steel wool with some light oil will get that off?

Thanks for any help, as I recover from my ordeal of 9-1-07, where I broke my hip, nearly crushed the side of my head in, and then developed a massive blood clot, getting ready to break off! All from a silly and weird bike fall on the C&O Canal, that I ride all the time on the weekend for the last 25 years! Just lucky to be alive to write this.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44977 From: Roger Walton Date: 9/15/2007
Subject: Auction companys
My recommendation for an auction house would be Maurer Auctions in Pennsylvania. Their website is www.maurerail.com

Roger Walton
TCA 87-26593

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44978 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/15/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/16/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44979 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 9/15/2007
Subject: Re: cleaning plastic
Some cleanser, like Comet, will usually take light rust off without removing
as much of the metal plating.



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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 10:28 AM
To: Toy Trains; s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] cleaning plastic



I have a plastic AF engine that need a good cleaning, as it is a 21168
Southern "Casey Jones" type engine.

There is dirt embedded in the "coal" and along edges on the tender.

What type of cleaning supplies can I use, if any. Maybe just pure water? Any
type of brush that will not scratch the plastic.

Also, on the draw bar under the tender is some rust.

I was told that plain steel wool with some light oil will get that off?

Thanks for any help, as I recover from my ordeal of 9-1-07, where I broke my
hip, nearly crushed the side of my head in, and then developed a massive
blood clot, getting ready to break off! All from a silly and weird bike fall
on the C&O Canal, that I ride all the time on the weekend for the last 25
years! Just lucky to be alive to write this.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44980 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 9/15/2007
Subject: Re: 343 REV. UNIT
Can anyone let me know how to tell if I have a 2 or 4 pos. rev. unit on my
343? it is the in the cab unit type. Thanks, Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44981 From: David Dewey Date: 9/16/2007
Subject: 343 reverse unit question--answer!
The 4 postitions cab-mounted reverse unit has a lockout lever on one side
that moves backwards and forwards. If you have the back-of-cab cover off,
you can see the drum at the top of the unit. The 2-position unit has a
centered "T" shaped lockout lever that goes up and down (up for lockout)
and the coil is at the top of the unit, there is no drum, as it uses a flat
pointed plastic piece for the reversing contacts. If you are familiar with
what the standard late production 2 position reverse units look like, that's
IT!
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44982 From: Tim Brown Date: 9/16/2007
Subject: New Construction
Hi,

I've been quietly re-building my layout. Right now, asside from a
total conversion to DCC, my thing is to use vintage ACG rails and hand-
lay track onto small wooden ties on cork roadbed. I'm using the same
method to hand-make all my own turnouts in place. I use Blue Point
controllers underneath and wire the frogs for correct polarity. Here
is a link to some of the revisions I've made. I put the current
completed projects on the top.

http://home.att.net/~timboy/MyTrainLayout.html

One can easily see the difference between the vintage toy track and the
more realistic-looking hand-laid track using the same rails. I think
the rails actually look smaller!

I hope this will inspire others to start building this winter! If
anyone has any questions about how to hand-lay track or hand-make
turnouts, don't hesitate to ask.

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 44983 From: WILLIAM HUTTON Date: 9/16/2007
Subject: Re: cleaning plastic
I recommend Klean and Shine from Johnson Wax for use on all painted and unpainted American Flyer Plastic. It is only available by mail order, but have found it great for removing dirt and grime without leaving the armor all type residue.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44984 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 9/16/2007
Subject: Cleaning plastic
As a junk box butcher, I've found a soft brisle paint brush and some
mild liquid hand soap and water will work well on plastic. A bit
stiffer brush and more water for tough places. Sometimes soaking the
shell in bath of soapy water helps built up grime.
Cleansers work because they are abrasive, like very mild rubbing
compound for auto body work,not good for plastics. But okay for
metals.
Stumpy Stone...the Mad Butcher of Ahia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44985 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 9/16/2007
Subject: Re: 343 REV UNIT THANK YOU
Thank You to all that replied to my question. Mike
PS: It is a 4 pos. unit



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44986 From: faltrain5 Date: 9/16/2007
Subject: Train Show Question
Howdy everyone, does anybody know when the Sharon PA Rosemont banquet
and conference center train show is? I thought it was today, but I was
wrong so if you know, please tell me.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44987 From: RCESpeak Date: 9/16/2007
Subject: Email Contact
Hi All,

Does anyone have an updated email address for Mark Preman?
The one I have was working up till a couple weeks ago.

Thank you.... Barb
Group: S-Trains Message: 44988 From: Lance McCold Date: 9/16/2007
Subject: Re: cleaning plastic
Mike,

For cleaning the plastic, I would use dish detergent in water applied with a tooth brush. I don't think you can do any harm that way.

Lance McCold,
Knoxville, TN

At 10:09 AM 9/16/2007 +0000, you wrote:
>1a. cleaning plastic
> Posted by: "Michael and Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... mlmarmer2000
> Date: Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:32 pm ((PDT))
>
>I have a plastic AF engine that need a good cleaning, as it is a 21168 Southern "Casey Jones" type engine.
>
>There is dirt embedded in the "coal" and along edges on the tender.
>
>What type of cleaning supplies can I use, if any. Maybe just pure water? Any type of brush that will not scratch the plastic.
>
>Also, on the draw bar under the tender is some rust.
>
>I was told that plain steel wool with some light oil will get that off?
>
>Thanks for any help, as I recover from my ordeal of 9-1-07, where I broke my hip, nearly crushed the side of my head in, and then developed a massive blood clot, getting ready to break off! All from a silly and weird bike fall on the C&O Canal, that I ride all the time on the weekend for the last 25 years! Just lucky to be alive to write this.
>
>Mike Marmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 44989 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/16/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/16/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44990 From: ecphora123 Date: 9/16/2007
Subject: Wheel Puller
What tools are best used to remove and re install drivers off of
Gilbert AF locomotives?

Thanks in advance,

Gene Cimino
Group: S-Trains Message: 44991 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 9/16/2007
Subject: Re: 343 SCREW
Anyone know the size of the s16-c screw that holds the smoke unit from below
in place, on a 343? Thank You, Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 44992 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 9/16/2007
Subject: cleaning plastic
Thanks to all who answered my question about cleaning plastic (trains).

I knew I could not do too much damage to this engine, AF 21168, since the tender and engine shell is all plastic with no metal items on it.

There lots of good answers for me, but I took the tender and engine shell off and washed it good in soapy water, with dawn detergent, using a toothbrush.

I got this engine for $50, as it list for $95 in E in the Greenberg guide, so it was not like it was a rare and valuable piece.

It had 40 plus years of grime on it, that came off well. The number and lettering is fine. And the date inside the engine was in white marker, 6-62.

As for the draw bar, I did use steel wool and light oil, as I know you are not to use steel wool on track. The rust is gone, but a little bit of pitting. I wiped the area real good, as to make sure there is no steel pieces left behind.

Thanks for all the responses in cleaning trains.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44993 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 9/17/2007
Subject: Re: cleaning plastic
Well not valuable but doesn't mean its not comparitively scarce.
That series is of course sneered at by serious Gilbert operators
because of its toy like appearance, hence little value. I suspect
that whilst not rare the 21168's dont show up too often and when
they do there is a fair percentage which have broken cases with the
cylinders broken off on one side or the other. If they were a
Pacific in the quantities they are actually found in they would be a
few hundred dollars. Glad you recovered with your life from that
nasty accident.Alistair

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer"
<mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks to all who answered my question about cleaning plastic
(trains).
>
> I knew I could not do too much damage to this engine, AF 21168,
since the tender and engine shell is all plastic with no metal items
on it.
>
> There lots of good answers for me, but I took the tender and
engine shell off and washed it good in soapy water, with dawn
detergent, using a toothbrush.
>
> I got this engine for $50, as it list for $95 in E in the
Greenberg guide, so it was not like it was a rare and valuable piece.
>
> It had 40 plus years of grime on it, that came off well. The
number and lettering is fine. And the date inside the engine was
in white marker, 6-62.
>
> As for the draw bar, I did use steel wool and light oil, as I know
you are not to use steel wool on track. The rust is gone, but a
little bit of pitting. I wiped the area real good, as to make
sure there is no steel pieces left behind.
>
> Thanks for all the responses in cleaning trains.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 44994 From: J Hufnagel Date: 9/17/2007
Subject: American Flyer Passenger Car 349 Circus 350 or similar and Circus
I'm a Lionel collector and this the first time I bought an American
Flyer Train Set,CIRCUS SET 5002T 1950-51 This set was my very first
train set and it was lost in moving over 30 years ago. I finally got
another set. It's in good shape,but could use some restoration.

I hope someone can help me.

First question

Does anyone know how to remove the body from chassis of the 649
Circus car or simliar AF passenger cars without breaking the body?
Does anyone also have a diagram of the car or how it's wired.

Second question

Does anyone know of a good repair shop in Western Pennsylvania or
Pittsburgh to repair American Flyer Trains?

Third Question

Anyone in Pittsburgh or USA who restores professionally American
Flyer Trains, i.e. CIRCUS SET 5002T ?

Thanks to all those who respond.
Jeff TCA 84-21385
Group: S-Trains Message: 44995 From: Doug Peck Date: 9/17/2007
Subject: Wheel Puller
<<<What tools are best used to remove and re install drivers off of
Gilbert AF locomotives?>>>



Using a pair of screwdrivers is risky......very easy to either chip the
wheel rim, or bend the axle.

Three different styles of wheel pullers are found on our website, under
"Tools".



Doug Peck

Port Lines Hobby Supply

6 Storeybrooke Drive

Newburyport, MA 01950-3408

www.sgaugetrains.com
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\Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com>

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\Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com>

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978-465-8798

1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 44996 From: David Dewey Date: 9/17/2007
Subject: Cleaning plastic
Someone mentioned the residue left by using Armor-All. IMHO, NEVER USE
ARMOR-ALL ON YOUR PLASTIC (any plastic). Armor-all (I guess I should use the
(r) after that word) contains silicone. Silicone acts as a stress-relief
agent, allowing the molding stresses in the plastic to concentrate, and at
these points of concentration, the plastic then cracks. Yes, it doesn't
happen immediately, but it does happen. Some common places where I've seen
this--my own car dash after I lent the car to a "friend" and they let their
dog ride inside, which I told then NOT to do (allergies)--they cleaned up
the car afterwards (shiney surface on the dash), but the dog ate through a
seat belt, so the evidence was there, and shortly afterwards the dash
cracked badly. Also plastic piano keys, cracked after the owner 'detailed'
the paino.
Considering how ACG plastic likes to deform anyways (and often along those
infamous molding stress flows) I wouldn't even keep the two items in the
same room! You have to watch out for automobile "one-step" waxes too, they
often contain silicones.
OK, off soap box now! I'm playing with a GP UP shell that some child painted
shiney black, we'll see if I can get the black off and save the paint. Shame
too, as the engine has hardly been run! Just like in the old car hobby, why
do the 'Hot Rodders' have to modify nice original cars when there are so
many jnkers out there?
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 44997 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 9/17/2007
Subject: Re: cleaning plastic
Hi Alistair,

I didn't mean to make it sound like the 21168 engine had no demand as a collectable. O:)!

And you are right, not too many of them show up at ebay, shows, etc., as I have been searching for a 2nd one, to complete a set. And I have lost out on a few on Ebay as they have gone over $100. So I think I did pretty well on this one for $50. Cleaned it up nicely, now I am ready to put it on ebay for the big bucks. JUST KIDDING! I need it for a set.


Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Alistair McAllister
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 12:12 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: cleaning plastic


Well not valuable but doesn't mean its not comparitively scarce.
That series is of course sneered at by serious Gilbert operators
because of its toy like appearance, hence little value. I suspect
that whilst not rare the 21168's dont show up too often and when
they do there is a fair percentage which have broken cases with the
cylinders broken off on one side or the other. If they were a
Pacific in the quantities they are actually found in they would be a
few hundred dollars. Glad you recovered with your life from that
nasty accident.Alistair

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer"
<mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks to all who answered my question about cleaning plastic
(trains).
>
> I knew I could not do too much damage to this engine, AF 21168,
since the tender and engine shell is all plastic with no metal items
on it.
>
> There lots of good answers for me, but I took the tender and
engine shell off and washed it good in soapy water, with dawn
detergent, using a toothbrush.
>
> I got this engine for $50, as it list for $95 in E in the
Greenberg guide, so it was not like it was a rare and valuable piece.
>
> It had 40 plus years of grime on it, that came off well. The
number and lettering is fine. And the date inside the engine was
in white marker, 6-62.
>
> As for the draw bar, I did use steel wool and light oil, as I know
you are not to use steel wool on track. The rust is gone, but a
little bit of pitting. I wiped the area real good, as to make
sure there is no steel pieces left behind.
>
> Thanks for all the responses in cleaning trains.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 44998 From: ecphora123 Date: 9/17/2007
Subject: Gilbert AF Plastic
OK, What type of plastic are AC Gilbert American Flyer car and
locomotive shells made from. Is it simply styrene or is it more in the
nature of ABS as in Plastruct. In any case what type of adhesives work
the best?

Thanks, Gene Cimino
Group: S-Trains Message: 44999 From: John Keating Date: 9/17/2007
Subject: 21005 Tender
Hello, Please advise if the 21005 tender trucks were equipped with
sliding pick up shoes. Thank you. John Keating
Group: S-Trains Message: 45000 From: Donald Thompson Date: 9/18/2007
Subject: Re: More SHS shameless promotion....
Dear SHS Club Members,
We picked up the USRA single sheathed boxcars yesterday. Paint scheme
can be see at:
http://www.showcaseline.com/Boxcars/SingleSheath/BoxcarsUSRASingleSheathed_in_stock.html
Also on the container are the Switcher DCC interface boards for the
last run of SW9s/NW2s with speakers. Bill Clark designed these to work
with either the DSX & Lenz gold decoders or the upcoming Diesel Tsunami
whenever that arrives. Another shipment of Andrews trucks came too
(#00045 & #00046).

Best regards,
Don
Group: S-Trains Message: 45001 From: Bill Lane Date: 9/18/2007
Subject: Central Jersey S Scalers Fall Get Together
Hi All,

The Central Jersey S Scalers Fall Get Together is this weekend. Here is the
official website for it. http://www.nasg.org/cjss.html Here is my page of
past events. http://www.lanestrains.com/CJSS.htm This is the 20th in a row I
have attended, and is the show that made me change from HO to S Scale, so
you now know who to blame...

I have been feverishly working on my yard modules. Don Thompson did some
track work to make the turnouts look and run better. I have been painting
the rails a nice rusty color, putting on that great cheap ballast that I
previously mentioned, and some ground cover on the non-ballasted areas.
There may even be a building or 2 on it as well! Please come out to see all
of the hard work that has been done to it.

Set up begins on Friday afternoon. It takes until about dinner time to get
set up and running. Please come to help set up if you can. The "main event"
is Saturday usually from about 10:00 AM until about 7:00 PM. (sometimes
later) You can bring your engines to run if they are DCC equipped only.

There are trips to the SHS warehouse to pick over the Scratch N Dent
shelves, dealers and lots of other S Scalers.

Tear down begins on Sunday at 11:00. You can come for a few hours to run
then. We really NEED more able bodies to help with the tear down and hall
clean up.

I hope to see you there. My cell phone is 856-371-7238 if you have any
questions. See the official website for directions.

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com
Winner of the 2007 Josh Seltzer NASG Website Award
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26
http://www.pennsysmodels.com

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE (for now) http://www.prslhs.com
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

See my Altoona train videos here http://www.myspace.com/billlane



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45002 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 9/18/2007
Subject: RASG Club Recruiting
We need to recruit some new members. Yesterday we attended a train show and
only had enough manpower to display our interactive kiddie layout and one
sample module. We are looking for new members in the Rochester, NY area who
are willing to help maintain the club modular layout, which is built to
S-Mod standards, and help set it up about 4 times a year at area train
shows. The layout uses code 148 ballasted track and runs both scale and
hirail. Switches are moving frog to accept both scale and hirail. The
layout is up and running in the Medley Centre in Irondequoit in the back
room of a storefront that the n gauge club uses. We are open Tuesday nights
from 7:00 to 9:30 for work sessions. The layout is 10' x 20' right now- 6
straight modules, 4 corner modules, 2 bridge modules and 4 yard modules that
fit in the center operating pit.



Pictures and info. about the club are on our club website at
http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/



And my website at http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/



We currently have about 8 active members, no dues, and promote cooperation
among the scale, hirail and Flyer guys. We need at least a couple more
people to help set up at shows. We intend to find some ways to overhaul our
modules so they set up faster. S-Mod standards are great when we interface
with the WNYSGA (Buffalo club) but seem to be somewhat labor intensive for 1
day shows.



Respond to this email if interested and if you provide your phone number
I'll call you with any information you'd like.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45003 From: trainnut1627 Date: 9/18/2007
Subject: Transformer Circuit Protectors
Back in 2003, Tom Jarcho talked about possibly getting a circuit
protector, to replace the one in the 15B Flyer Transformer, with one
from an auto parts store. In my looking so far, I cannot find breakers
that are az low as 4 amps at Auto Parts Stores (mostly 15 to 20 amp
sizes). Fred Jester doesn't have any of the originals, and I'm guessing
other suppliers are in the same shape. The circuit Breaker in my 15B is
made by Klixon, and they are still very much in business, but dealers
for them would only sell to manufacturers and jobbers.
Has anyone had any luck buying off-the-shelf circuit breakers of a
proper size to replace the defective one in a 15B? If so, please tell
me where.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45004 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 9/18/2007
Subject: Re: Transformer Circuit Protectors
In a message dated 09/18/2007 9:23:43 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
jchodges46@... writes:




Back in 2003, Tom Jarcho talked about possibly getting a circuit
protector, to replace the one in the 15B Flyer Transformer, with one
from an auto parts store. In my looking so far, I cannot find breakers
that are az low as 4 amps at Auto Parts Stores (mostly 15 to 20 amp
sizes). Fred Jester doesn't have any of the originals, and I'm guessing
other suppliers are in the same shape. The circuit Breaker in my 15B is
made by Klixon, and they are still very much in business, but dealers
for them would only sell to manufacturers and jobbers.
Has anyone had any luck buying off-the-shelf circuit breakers of a
proper size to replace the defective one in a 15B? If so, please tell




SnS Trains of Boise Idaho has some original Gilbert circuit breakers.

Steve
Group: S-Trains Message: 45005 From: nasglibrary Date: 9/18/2007
Subject: Mobley Library vacation
All --

The NASG's Russell M. Mobley Library will be closed from Sept. 20 through Oct. 2, 2007.

Dick Karnes, Librarian
Group: S-Trains Message: 45006 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 9/18/2007
Subject: GG1 with ladders
I suppose railings are next. The add of detail to my AM GG1 took less than
an hour.

See the picture in S-Trains Photos in the album Chuck's Layout.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45007 From: CyberSavant Date: 9/18/2007
Subject: New to the Hobby
Hello. I'm new to the hobby. I haven't purchased a train set in
over 30 years until now. Can anyone direct me to reputable resources
for setting it up, building a layout and finding parts? I live in
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada - ans the only hobby shop here that
carries RR stuff says it's impossible to get S-Scale. I especially
need track. Below is a list of of what i've got so far:

American Flyer 3/16" S-Scale 1/64

#2 75watt transformer
uncoupler
2 straight tracks
12 curved tracks

engine: 282
coal car: American Flyer Lines Chicago Northwestern line
caboose: American Flyer Lines 360
misc Cars:
boxcar Seaboard Airline Railroad Silver Meteor
Illinois Central ventilated refirdgerator IC
623
hopper Wabash WAB 640
tanker Gulf 625G
open 1/2boxcar Texas & Pacific 631

Lesney:
Sign Uncouple Here

thanks in advance for your help and assistance.

Larry / Cyber
Group: S-Trains Message: 45008 From: Rhett George Date: 9/18/2007
Subject: Re: pre-war locomotive
- GreetingS -

A question for Howard Sheffield. What is the wheel arrangement of the
locomotive you are asking about. Maybe we can get a better idea with
that piece of information.

CheerS,

Rhett
Group: S-Trains Message: 45009 From: roy inman Date: 9/18/2007
Subject: Re: New to the Hobby
Hi Larry and welcome aboard :)

Some of the usual reliable sources:

-www.americanflyertrains.com
-www.portlines.com
-Bill Parr's Hobby Supplies, no cyber presence that I know; 215-757-1034
-Scenery Unlimited catalog, www.heimburgerhouse.com

Among others, but these are folks I have personally dealt with and can
recommend them without hesitation. American Flyer Trains is under new
ownership, but in my brief dealings with him he seems as helpful as the
previous owner, Mark Preman.

Good luck :)

Roy Inman

From: CyberSavant <cybersavant@...>
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:44:21 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] New to the Hobby


Hello. I'm new to the hobby. I haven't purchased a train set in
over 30 years until now. Can anyone direct me to reputable resources
for setting it up, building a layout and finding parts? I live in
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada - ans the only hobby shop here that
carries RR stuff says it's impossible to get S-Scale. I especially
need track. Below is a list of of what i've got so far:

American Flyer 3/16" S-Scale 1/64

#2 75watt transformer
uncoupler
2 straight tracks
12 curved tracks

engine: 282
coal car: American Flyer Lines Chicago Northwestern line
caboose: American Flyer Lines 360
misc Cars:
boxcar Seaboard Airline Railroad Silver Meteor
Illinois Central ventilated refirdgerator IC
623
hopper Wabash WAB 640
tanker Gulf 625G
open 1/2boxcar Texas & Pacific 631

Lesney:
Sign Uncouple Here

thanks in advance for your help and assistance.

Larry / Cyber

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45010 From: rj4010d Date: 9/18/2007
Subject: smoke in tender
I didn't print & save the info on bellows material. Can some one please
post on here the best yhing to put on a good 60 year old bellows to
soften the material?.Seams to have had very little use ,runs great
except too tight at end of stroke.

Bob Guckian
Eaton ,Oh
Group: S-Trains Message: 45011 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 9/18/2007
Subject: Re: New to the Hobby
You might also post what you need as many of us have extras for sale.... I am going to start listing some duplicates.... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: roy inman
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New to the Hobby


Hi Larry and welcome aboard :)

Some of the usual reliable sources:

-www.americanflyertrains.com
-www.portlines.com
-Bill Parr's Hobby Supplies, no cyber presence that I know; 215-757-1034
-Scenery Unlimited catalog, www.heimburgerhouse.com

Among others, but these are folks I have personally dealt with and can
recommend them without hesitation. American Flyer Trains is under new
ownership, but in my brief dealings with him he seems as helpful as the
previous owner, Mark Preman.

Good luck :)

Roy Inman

From: CyberSavant <cybersavant@...>
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:44:21 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] New to the Hobby

Hello. I'm new to the hobby. I haven't purchased a train set in
over 30 years until now. Can anyone direct me to reputable resources
for setting it up, building a layout and finding parts? I live in
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada - ans the only hobby shop here that
carries RR stuff says it's impossible to get S-Scale. I especially
need track. Below is a list of of what i've got so far:

American Flyer 3/16" S-Scale 1/64

#2 75watt transformer
uncoupler
2 straight tracks
12 curved tracks

engine: 282
coal car: American Flyer Lines Chicago Northwestern line
caboose: American Flyer Lines 360
misc Cars:
boxcar Seaboard Airline Railroad Silver Meteor
Illinois Central ventilated refirdgerator IC
623
hopper Wabash WAB 640
tanker Gulf 625G
open 1/2boxcar Texas & Pacific 631

Lesney:
Sign Uncouple Here

thanks in advance for your help and assistance.

Larry / Cyber

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45012 From: CyberSavant Date: 9/18/2007
Subject: Re: New to the Hobby
Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:01:49 -0400
From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...>
You might also post what you need as many of us have extras for sale.... I am
going to start listing some duplicates.... Bob
==

Hi.
THis is ALL i have so far - plus the manual that has been water-logged and now
thoroughly stuck together and starting to mold.

American Flyer 3/16" S-Scale 1/64

#2 75watt transformer
uncoupler
2 straight tracks
12 curved tracks

engine: 282
coal car: American Flyer Lines Chicago Northwestern line
caboose: American Flyer Lines 360
misc Cars:
boxcar Seaboard Airline Railroad Silver Meteor
Illinois Central ventilated refirdgerator IC
623
hopper Wabash WAB 640
tanker Gulf 625G
open 1/2boxcar Texas & Pacific 631

[Lesney: Sign - Uncouple Here in 1:64 scale; a cool addition, i think]


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45013 From: jnr59@aol.com Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: ONLY 43 MORE DAYS TIL FALL S FEST IN ST LOUIS...READ ON BELOW FOR D
Group,

Its hard to believe but there are only 43 more days until the Fall S Fest
starts here in beautiful St. Louis beginning Friday, November 2nd through
Sunday, November 4th.

MANUFACTURERS/VENDORS:
Quite a few are coming including S Helper Service, American Models, S'n'S
Trains, Hoquat Hobbies, Raison River, Southwind, John Heck, Tolmalco Track,
Scenery Unlimited, Michigan Models, Train Boxes Plus and many more PLUS many
dealers!
ONLY A FEW TABLES LEFT IN OUR RECENTLY EXPANDED FLOOR TRADING AREA - FAX IN
YOUR RESERVATION (ON CLUB WEBSITE-SEE BELOW) ASAP TO (314) 432-3417
ATTENTION: Moe Berk

ATTENDEES:
Hurry up and register in advance because THERE WILL BE NO MEET CARS LEFT AT
THE DOOR.

TWO (2) MEET CARS (MKT TOFC Flatcar with Campbell Express Inc. "Humpin to
Please" trailer & Limited Edition Lionel/AF Generator Car):
Very few of these left so hurry up and get your reservation in TODAY!

SPECIAL LOW HOTEL RATE OF ONLY $82 PER NIGHT BUT YOU MUST HURRY TO RESERVE:
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LOTS TO DO AT SHOW AND FOR ALL THE FAMILY!
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45014 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: Transformer Circuit Protectors
Tom Jarcho & I did talk about replacing circuit protectors. I use
Raychem,
Polyswitch, series RUE, Available from 2 amps to 12 amps.
WWW.digi-key.com
I prefer 6amp
Jerry TCA HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 45015 From: Doug Peck Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: Transformer Circuit Protectors
<<<Tom Jarcho talked about possibly getting a circuit
protector, to replace the one in the 15B Flyer Transformer>>>



Before Tom passed, he actually located appropriate CBs for all the large
AF transformers, and began making "kits" for me, to replace defective
CBs in all the large Deadman transformers, as well as the "pancake"
units. Note that they are not all the same CBs......there are at least 4
different ones amongst these transformers.

I still have some of these left, although not too many.

I have made numerous attempts to locate the CBs that Tom used, without
success. Unfortunately, they have no markings on them at all, so they
are near-impossible to identify.



Doug Peck

Port Lines Hobby Supply

6 Storeybrooke Drive

Newburyport, MA 01950-3408

www.sgaugetrains.com
<file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data
\Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com>

www.flyerparts.com
<file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data
\Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com>

Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).

978-465-8798

1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)

VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45016 From: Donald Thompson Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: Re: CJSS Fall Get Together this weekend
I am happy to report that the weather will be spectacular for this
weekends show. We have had requests for tables from Des Plaines Hobbies
(Matt said he would be bringing, "...trinkets, bobbles, parts and
decals...and stuff that is actually in production.), Hoquat Hobbies, S
Designs (Don DeWitt), Pennsy Models, Delores Daiker (many of Bill's kit
and scratch built models will be on sale - he was a heck of a modeler
that liked cars circa 1900 to 1950) and S Helper Service Inc. In the
past others have asked for tables at the door. In the afternoon, Hoquat
Hobbies store will be open as well as the SHS warehouse. Maps to both
places will be available. Hoping to see you there!
Don

http://www.nasg.org/cjss.html
Group: S-Trains Message: 45017 From: Laura Zase &Gary Clark Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: S-Fest
Hello Everyone!

Just a reminder that Gary Clark will be at York at Reliance Firehall (Free Admission Mon-Tues-Wed.) and at Red Hall during TCA meet in our usual spot.

We will also be at S-Fest with 18 Tables!

We recently purchased several collections of high quality Gilbert American Flyer!!!

We will be displaying a wide range of GREAT Flyer at both shows, both Gilbert and Lionel.

See you all soon.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45018 From: jeff silvera Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: pre war AF engine
Howard; my guess is Jerry's about right. I looked it up in my pre-war Greenberg's guide that was printed in 1997, ten years ago. They have it listed at $40.00 to 90.00. The 420 has been more sought after lately. So I'd say that $125.00 is a fair assessment if it's Engine and Tender in very good to excellent condition...

Just my Thought's, Jeff S.......


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45019 From: ecphora123 Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: Gilbert No963 Observation Car
What specific or general prototype did the folks at AC Gilbert follow
for the No963 Observation Car? The car body on the one I have looks as
though it is simulated stainless steel.

Thanks in advance,

Gene Cimino
Group: S-Trains Message: 45020 From: Donald Thompson Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: Re: Port Lines at CJSS Fall Get Together this weekend
I must apologies to Doug Peck of Port Lines Hobbies. He too has
requested table space at our show.
Best regards,
Don

Donald Thompson wrote:

> I am happy to report that the weather will be spectacular for this
> weekends show. We have had requests for tables from Des Plaines
> Hobbies (Matt said he would be bringing, "...trinkets, bobbles, parts
> and decals...and stuff that is actually in production.), Hoquat
> Hobbies, S Designs (Don DeWitt), Pennsy Models, Delores Daiker (many
> of Bill's kit and scratch built models will be on sale - he was a heck
> of a modeler that liked cars circa 1900 to 1950) and S Helper Service
> Inc. In the past others have asked for tables at the door. In the
> afternoon, Hoquat Hobbies store will be open as well as the SHS
> warehouse. Maps to both places will be available. Hoping to see you
> there!
> Don
>
> http://www.nasg.org/cjss.html
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45021 From: Alan Evans Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: Re: smoke in tender
Bob,

Check a boat store that sells sailboats. The sailcloth material is light,
wind tight, and even comes in various colors to really brighten up the SIT!
:-) Goo or Pliobond is best for attaching both around the piston and the
seam across as they remain pliable.

Takes a little doing to disassemble the SIT, but the more you
scrape and remove the old glue the better adhesion you'll be able to
achieve.



Alan E

o Central Ohio S Gaugers



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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of rj4010d
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 9:53 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] smoke in tender



I didn't print & save the info on bellows material. Can some one please
post on here the best yhing to put on a good 60 year old bellows to
soften the material?.Seams to have had very little use ,runs great
except too tight at end of stroke.

Bob Guckian
Eaton ,Oh





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45022 From: Wayne B. Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: SHS Christmas car wanted
Hello S trains friends,

Does anyone have the SHS Christmas car with Rudolf in
the boxcar looking out through the door with his nose
flashing FOR SALE?

I sure would like one. Email me offline with price
and condition.

Thanks,

Wayne
afvair@...



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45023 From: Robert A Persing Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: Re: Transformer Circuit Protectors
Doug,I have used CB from automotive applactions in the 90w lionel transfomers with no problems and they will reset themselves.I used the 10 amp with prongs on them which a wire connector slides on. Bob Persing
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Peck
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 8:14 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Transformer Circuit Protectors


<<<Tom Jarcho talked about possibly getting a circuit
protector, to replace the one in the 15B Flyer Transformer>>>

Before Tom passed, he actually located appropriate CBs for all the large
AF transformers, and began making "kits" for me, to replace defective
CBs in all the large Deadman transformers, as well as the "pancake"
units. Note that they are not all the same CBs......there are at least 4
different ones amongst these transformers.

I still have some of these left, although not too many.

I have made numerous attempts to locate the CBs that Tom used, without
success. Unfortunately, they have no markings on them at all, so they
are near-impossible to identify.

Doug Peck

Port Lines Hobby Supply

6 Storeybrooke Drive

Newburyport, MA 01950-3408

www.sgaugetrains.com
<file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data
\Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com>

www.flyerparts.com
<file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data
\Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com>

Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).

978-465-8798

1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)

VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45024 From: geep39 Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: Gilbert 963 Observation Car Prototype
The Gilbert 960-series plastic streamline passenger cars were based on
Budd Company drawings. I remember reading somewhere that Maury Romer
went down to the Budd plant in Philadelphia and came back with rolls
of drawings. The most obvious prototypes for the obs were found in
Burlington, Santa Fe, The California Zephyr, Canadian Pacific, Florida
East Coast,and Wabash paint schemes (These were mostly bare stainless
steel), none of which AF (except Santa Fe)produced! I'm sure there
were others, but these are the ones that readily come to mind.

BTW, the 660-series aluminum cars seem to be more like Pullman-
Standard cars, what with their smooth roofs. But, they could also
be "loosely based" on Budd cars, too, but less so than the plastic
cars.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45025 From: Laura Zase &Gary Clark Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: YORK SHOWS
Attached you will find the flyer for the "pre-meet" at York's Reliance Firehall.

This has become the hangout for all the Flyer nuts who arrive early in the week. So come on in and socialize, look at all the trains and maybe even find something you're looking for in a no hassel, uncrowded environment. Food and beverages are available.

Among those with tables:

Fred Jester, Chester, Pa
Gary Clark, W. Hartford, CT
John Vanacore, No. Haven, CT
Bill Cucchi, Charlton, MA
Richard Hinkle, Asbury, PA
Todd Metcalf, Manchester, CT
Jim Patterson,VA
Fred Schafer, VA
Greg Arters, Reading, PA
Ron Borsella, Hanover, PA
Gary Shutovich, PA
Frank Merson, Mt. Clements, MD



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45026 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: Re: smoke in tender
The aftermarket piston/chamber combo is a very good alternative to replacing
the bellows material. Never have to mess with it again.

PS material from an old umbrella works good as a replacemant fabric.

Steve
SnS Trains



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45027 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 9/19/2007
Subject: cleaning plastic
Posted by: "WILLIAM HUTTON"

I recommend Klean and Shine from Johnson Wax for use on all painted and
unpainted American Flyer Plastic.



I did too until I read what DD had to say and looked at the ingredients.
There is silicone in Klean n' Shine too -- to bad because the stuff really
works.

The late Bill Jackson used it on all his Flyer and recommended it to me. I
wonder if anyone who has bought from Bill in the past has noticed anything
yet.

A question for DD; how would you rate Klean n' Shine? Too much silicone?

I just use mild Ivory Liquid now for the plastic. No wait. I use Goo Gone
to clean the gunk off of wheels. I also found Goo Gone cleans the white
demolding residue. I hope that's ok.

Tom Stoltz

Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork
Maine S Gaugers
NASG

www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45028 From: Rob Date: 9/20/2007
Subject: Lettering locomotives
Hello all,

I see a few different types of ways to re-letter a re-painted
locomotive on ebay. Dry transfer and stamps seem to be the most
common. In your opinion, which is the easiest to apply with the best
quality. I know not everyone is into restored locomotives but I want
to have new looking locomotives for my personal display.

Thank you for any ideas and advice!
Rob and Colleen
Group: S-Trains Message: 45029 From: trainnut1627 Date: 9/20/2007
Subject: 15B Transformer Circuit Breaker
Thanks for all the advice on the circuit breakers. I have found an
exact replacement from Steve at SnS trains. I'll likely need that other
advice as time goes on.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45030 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 9/20/2007
Subject: Re: Lettering locomotives
I have found the easiest and neatest way to re-letter locos and tenders is
the dry transfer method. After you have applied them give the piece a couple of
coats of clear coat to protect them.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45031 From: Don Rodgers Sr. Date: 9/20/2007
Subject: Re: Test
Thank You, Don

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45032 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 9/20/2007
Subject: Re: YORK SHOWS
Jim Patterson is from Maryland
Group: S-Trains Message: 45033 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 9/20/2007
Subject: Gilbert Heritage Book
I have a TCA friend who is more into O, that has a copy of the A.C. Gilbert Heritage book that he will sale at York.

He has no idea how much to ask for this book, as it is out of print.

Any thoughts on a selling price?

Thanks,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45034 From: Phil K Date: 9/20/2007
Subject: Re: Gilbert Heritage Book
Mike, these go for $14 VG to $22 E (depending on condition). They are
not hard to find.

It is a kinda bland book, IMHO. It reads like an old civics textbook and put me to sleep.

Phil K

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer"
<mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> I have a TCA friend who is more into O, that has a copy of the A.C.
Gilbert Heritage book that he will sale at York.
>
> He has no idea how much to ask for this book, as it is out of print.
>
> Any thoughts on a selling price?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Marmer
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45035 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 9/21/2007
Subject: Sam's in Trouble!
I picked up a "rough" Sam the Semaphore Man to restore, and he's in
more trouble than I thought!

I have a few questions for those of you that have one on your
layout. Just looking at it, I find it hard to believe that the
mechanism to raise the semaphore arm is either complete , or maybe
it's been altered(?). The solenoid works fine and pushes the plunger
forward. The sliding "inclined ramp" (or whatever it's called) that
is supposed to depress the rod that moves the arm doesn't quite push
the rod down. It more or less slams into it without depressing it.
(Actually, it does a pretty good job of pounding away. Too bad
that's all it does.) Sam comes out of his house OK, but the arm
doesn't come down. Looks to me like over the years, the post has
loosened up quite a bit and that contributes to te problem. How was
the post attched to the base originally? Looks like mine is just a
force-fit with no keeper or clip to keep it tight. Was it threaded
into the base, or perhaps have threads so a locknut would hold it?
The spring that is supposed to bring the rod back down weems weak to
me. it looks like one of the conical springs used on pilot trucks.
Is that the type originally used?

I replaced the rod with a repro and it moves freely, as does the arm.

I've tried to find an exploded view for Sam with a parts list to no
avail. Does anyone know where I might find one?
Thanks in advance for your help!
Jim E.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45036 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 9/21/2007
Subject: Re: Sam's in Trouble!
Sounds a lot like the experience I had with mine. I fiddled with it until
it worked and now the spring on the door has given out so it just stays open
(perpetual summer on my railroad)

The inclined ramp will work better with a little grease on it. I think I
used moly disulfide.

I finally soldered the brass rod post to the steel base to get a good
connection. The iron and flux had to be hot so the green paint around the
base of the post should be redone.

When the design was just good enough for a toy and it's now sixty years old,
you have to be a little philosophical about getting it to work at all is
maybe enough

The next thing you'll find is that the lockout won't keep a low current can
motor loco from creeping thru the signal in the stop position.



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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of hugoroundhouse
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 1:22 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Sam's in Trouble!



I picked up a "rough" Sam the Semaphore Man to restore, and he's in
more trouble than I thought!

I have a few questions for those of you that have one on your
layout. Just looking at it, I find it hard to believe that the
mechanism to raise the semaphore arm is either complete , or maybe
it's been altered(?). The solenoid works fine and pushes the plunger
forward. The sliding "inclined ramp" (or whatever it's called) that
is supposed to depress the rod that moves the arm doesn't quite push
the rod down. It more or less slams into it without depressing it.
(Actually, it does a pretty good job of pounding away. Too bad
that's all it does.) Sam comes out of his house OK, but the arm
doesn't come down. Looks to me like over the years, the post has
loosened up quite a bit and that contributes to te problem. How was
the post attched to the base originally? Looks like mine is just a
force-fit with no keeper or clip to keep it tight. Was it threaded
into the base, or perhaps have threads so a locknut would hold it?
The spring that is supposed to bring the rod back down weems weak to
me. it looks like one of the conical springs used on pilot trucks.
Is that the type originally used?

I replaced the rod with a repro and it moves freely, as does the arm.

I've tried to find an exploded view for Sam with a parts list to no
avail. Does anyone know where I might find one?
Thanks in advance for your help!
Jim E.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45037 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 9/21/2007
Subject: Lead Paint
Greetings to you all,



I was going through my recent S Trains back messages before I purged them.
Started reading the ones talking about Mattel, China and all that. I was
just wondering about the paints used on AF and all of the new manufacturers,
Flyonel, S-Helper, AM, etc. Do any of their products have lead paint? Seems
that the original Flyer might have some do to age but the other's I think
not. I'm not worried because I only drool over my models. I don't lick them
and the way my memory is, Lead won't contribute much to my mental
deteriation. However, if I ever have grandkids (my kids are in their late
twenties and early thirties and no current prospects), I would like to know
what I should put up in the glass cases as compared to what would be down on
the platform.



Regards,

Joe Haughney



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45038 From: Donald Thompson Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: Re: Lead Paint
Dear Joe,
Our builder (and they make most of the stuff for AM, SSA and Lionel)
has assured us in the past that they use lead free paint on all of their
products. But, you are correct to point out that most likely all the
paint on vintage AF contained lead. Maybe that is why I have a hard
time remembering everything I need to.
LOL,
Don

Joseph Haughney wrote:

> Greetings to you all,
>
> I was going through my recent S Trains back messages before I purged them.
> Started reading the ones talking about Mattel, China and all that. I was
> just wondering about the paints used on AF and all of the new
> manufacturers,
> Flyonel, S-Helper, AM, etc. Do any of their products have lead paint?
> Seems
> that the original Flyer might have some do to age but the other's I think
> not. I'm not worried because I only drool over my models. I don't lick
> them
> and the way my memory is, Lead won't contribute much to my mental
> deteriation. However, if I ever have grandkids (my kids are in their late
> twenties and early thirties and no current prospects), I would like to
> know
> what I should put up in the glass cases as compared to what would be
> down on
> the platform.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe Haughney
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45039 From: Trains Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Sam's in Trouble!
Hi, might try a little adjustment to the ramp with flat pliers (gently) and in small increment, increase angle ever so slightly, and take slop out of slide piece by placing washer under nut at base of Sam to tighten up vertical play. A little slippery lube at contact point of semphore plunger and slide is good too.

Once that problem is solved you can set semaphore tube in base socket with a tiny bit of five min. epoxy applied with a tooth pick---just be sure the blade is at a right angle to base edge/track and tube is straight.

Also check too make sure the resistor works as it's suposed to while you have the base plate off.

Dre. K. Loeb (Peter)


----- Original Message -----
From: hugoroundhouse
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 10:21 AM
Subject: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Sam's in Trouble!


I picked up a "rough" Sam the Semaphore Man to restore, and he's in
more trouble than I thought!

I have a few questions for those of you that have one on your
layout. Just looking at it, I find it hard to believe that the
mechanism to raise the semaphore arm is either complete , or maybe
it's been altered(?). The solenoid works fine and pushes the plunger
forward. The sliding "inclined ramp" (or whatever it's called) that
is supposed to depress the rod that moves the arm doesn't quite push
the rod down. It more or less slams into it without depressing it.
(Actually, it does a pretty good job of pounding away. Too bad
that's all it does.) Sam comes out of his house OK, but the arm
doesn't come down. Looks to me like over the years, the post has
loosened up quite a bit and that contributes to te problem. How was
the post attched to the base originally? Looks like mine is just a
force-fit with no keeper or clip to keep it tight. Was it threaded
into the base, or perhaps have threads so a locknut would hold it?
The spring that is supposed to bring the rod back down weems weak to
me. it looks like one of the conical springs used on pilot trucks.
Is that the type originally used?

I replaced the rod with a repro and it moves freely, as does the arm.

I've tried to find an exploded view for Sam with a parts list to no
avail. Does anyone know where I might find one?
Thanks in advance for your help!
Jim E.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45040 From: roy inman Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: Re: Lead Paint
I am sure Don's tongue was firmly planted in his cheek with that final
comment.

However, there may be a kernel of truth in his memory comment.

Who can say what effect there has been after decades of handling, absorbing
and otherwise taking into our bodies all manner of lead-based stuff?

Heck, if some of us would have gotten enough of the stuff into our systems,
even we could have been like some of our fearless political leaders....dumb
and dumber.

Roy Inman

From: Donald Thompson <don@...>
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 04:40:49 -0400
To: Joseph Haughney <J.Haughney1@...>
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lead Paint


Dear Joe,
Our builder (and they make most of the stuff for AM, SSA and Lionel)
has assured us in the past that they use lead free paint on all of their
products. But, you are correct to point out that most likely all the
paint on vintage AF contained lead. Maybe that is why I have a hard
time remembering everything I need to.
LOL,
Don

Joseph Haughney wrote:

> Greetings to you all,
>
> I was going through my recent S Trains back messages before I purged them.
> Started reading the ones talking about Mattel, China and all that. I was
> just wondering about the paints used on AF and all of the new
> manufacturers,
> Flyonel, S-Helper, AM, etc. Do any of their products have lead paint?
> Seems
> that the original Flyer might have some do to age but the other's I think
> not. I'm not worried because I only drool over my models. I don't lick
> them
> and the way my memory is, Lead won't contribute much to my mental
> deteriation. However, if I ever have grandkids (my kids are in their late
> twenties and early thirties and no current prospects), I would like to
> know
> what I should put up in the glass cases as compared to what would be
> down on
> the platform.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe Haughney
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45041 From: frank emiro Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: Lead Paint
I just thought I would tell you of an issue about lead paint in New Hampshire. The State DOT has stopped all use of lead based paints on their DOT equipment from several years ago. Well after findings of DOT still having used lead based paints and being fined, there is a new development. No equipment shall contain lead based paints or is it to be bought by the State, let alone use paints with lead in it.
So where does this go? It seems the trucks and equipment bought that is produced in Canada, contain lead based paint and do not comply with US Regs. Now they have found out the new equipment, will if made in Canada, will contain levels of lead paint. So what ever weathers off this equipment in snow removal of our highways, can get into the soil and water system.
Now you know the rest of the story, or do we.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45042 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: Lead Paint
I can't speak with any authority on lead paint, but I can say that I have
been clinching lead split shot sinkers on my fishing line with my teeth for 60+
years and am still alive, upright and taking nourishment. Even manage to fix a
train now and then without forgetting how to do it.....

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise
Group: S-Trains Message: 45043 From: Phil K Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: Lead Poisoning
When I first got started in the newspaper business -- night shift as
a college kid -- they first assigned me to the composition room. Four
years full-time around Linotype and Ludlow (headline) machines, hot
lead pots everywhere, putting together page forms of lead slugs by
hand, handling leg pigs to refill the pots on the machines...

I don't think I lost any brain cells due to those days of handling so
much lead, but if I did wouldn't I be the last to know? LOL

Still coherent and kicking 40 years later,

Phil K

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote:
>
> I can't speak with any authority on lead paint, but I can say that
I have
> been clinching lead split shot sinkers on my fishing line with my
teeth for 60+
> years and am still alive, upright and taking nourishment. Even
manage to fix a
> train now and then without forgetting how to do it.....
>
> Steve
> SnS Trains
> Boise
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45044 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: Re: LEAD IN GENERAL
I'm not sure about the harm of lead getting into the ground & water table.
Not being a collage graduate, I'm under the understanding that lead comes from
the ground along with other "BAD" things. Mike
PS: Maybe that's why I was always told to "Get the lead out"
Group: S-Trains Message: 45045 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: Montana
Any S list members around Billings, Mt.... I have been blessed with meeting and visiting several of the members on this list.... The last 2 in Colorado.... Coming to Montana end of Oct... Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45046 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: Re: Lead Poisoning
Phil..... I too was exposed to LEAD products...... for many years as a KID..... as a result now at 69 I am finding out that I have 1. Reverted to a second childhood ..... Play with trains which still has LEAD products in them ( Boxcars are kinda hard to chew on!!!!) and 2. Remember how. when as a kid you played with trains then GIRLS came along???? Most of you remember when I lost my wife almost 4 years ago.... Well I am losing interest in trains again.... BY PRODUCT OF LEAD POISONING ??? Bob Conner
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil K
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 3:07 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Lead Poisoning


When I first got started in the newspaper business -- night shift as
a college kid -- they first assigned me to the composition room. Four
years full-time around Linotype and Ludlow (headline) machines, hot
lead pots everywhere, putting together page forms of lead slugs by
hand, handling leg pigs to refill the pots on the machines...

I don't think I lost any brain cells due to those days of handling so
much lead, but if I did wouldn't I be the last to know? LOL

Still coherent and kicking 40 years later,

Phil K

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote:
>
> I can't speak with any authority on lead paint, but I can say that
I have
> been clinching lead split shot sinkers on my fishing line with my
teeth for 60+
> years and am still alive, upright and taking nourishment. Even
manage to fix a
> train now and then without forgetting how to do it.....
>
> Steve
> SnS Trains
> Boise
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45047 From: CyberSavant Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: S-Scale engines, caboose
Hello.

Just wondering if any Canadian engines or cars were ever produced by any
company in S-Scale. Or if any are easily re-labelled as CN or any other
Canadian company.

thanks

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45048 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/23/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45049 From: clayton deich Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: Re: LEAD IN GENERAL
Hi All,

I'm just adding one more thing to the mix. I still
have some lead in a small pot - can out in the shop,
and it's for paint. The lead is in powder form, and is
added to the paint - mix. When it comes to mixing
that's when some times to much was used or to little,
and the paint chips or turns to duct as it get old
from use.

The bad part is when you have little kids licking or
eating the paint - chips off of the said item. Most of
the time if the house paint has lead in it you only
need to remove from the floor up to say four feet
high, and the rest can stay. This is not some thing
for the home owner to do! You need some one who can do
this with out spreading the dust all over the home.
Then it would be a HSASMAT type thing. Check out the
codes in your area. Do not take my word for it.

The toys having lead in them - paint now days. The
fuss could be only to hold down the long term
exposure to lead over the life time of the child - man
or girl. Oh you do expose your self to this by just
the touch of the fingers to the lead paint or the
split shot in your pie hole. That is still not a good
idea! Hee Hee Hee I have done that too...

The reason I still have the lead out in the shop is I
like the Duchboy pot that the lead is in. I think it's
from the 20's or 30's it has a black and gold colored
painted label. Yes I think there lead in that paint
too.

Can we move on? I would sure like to here more about
trains, and what others are doing with there trains -
layouts. It's not like the trains we have are going to
end up in the hands of little crumb crunchers anyway
in less your rich and don't care if the kid trashes a
set that sells for $1500.00 +++++

I'm off the box, and it's some one else turn now.

Hi Alistair way down under... Hee Hee Hee

All of you are a lot of fun to talk to in here, and I
like to joke around like we are all at the round house
- club house.

Do any of you know when AC Gilbert birth date is?

Clayton S. D.



--- anormal1@... wrote:

> I'm not sure about the harm of lead getting into the
> ground & water table.
> Not being a collage graduate, I'm under the
> understanding that lead comes from
> the ground along with other "BAD" things. Mike
> PS: Maybe that's why I was always told to "Get the
> lead out"
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45050 From: Al Baker Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: Playing with lead !
When I was a kid in central Pennsylvania, I remember playing with
chuncks of what we were told was lead ore. I don't know why we were
fascinated with it, but we were. I do remember trying to write on a
piece of paper with it. It didn't work very well. This lead ore seemed
to be easy to find about anytime you wanted some.

Also, I remember in my dad's shed, a small iron pot and chuncks of
lead. My understanding was that grandpa melted lead and used it - he
was a tinsmith. But I am sure that I handled that pot and pieces of
lead many times. Grandpa lived to be 88, and quite healthy to the end.

Well, now I'm 65 and reasonably healthy for an "older" guy. Still
waiting for the effects of that lead to kick in...

Al Baker
Portland
Group: S-Trains Message: 45051 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 9/22/2007
Subject: Re: S-Scale engines, caboose
Yes, off hand, Lionel made a CP box car, that is pretty inexpensive to get. It list for about $33 in E.

AF made a CN Reefer, which is not inexpensive. Can run 300 hundred and more

Best bet is to look for the Lionel S CP box car.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: CyberSavant
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 7:47 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] S-Scale engines, caboose



Hello.

Just wondering if any Canadian engines or cars were ever produced by any
company in S-Scale. Or if any are easily re-labelled as CN or any other
Canadian company.

thanks

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45052 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 9/23/2007
Subject: Re: Playing with lead !
Any body remember " LEAD SOLDIERS????? Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Baker
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 9:07 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Playing with lead !


When I was a kid in central Pennsylvania, I remember playing with
chuncks of what we were told was lead ore. I don't know why we were
fascinated with it, but we were. I do remember trying to write on a
piece of paper with it. It didn't work very well. This lead ore seemed
to be easy to find about anytime you wanted some.

Also, I remember in my dad's shed, a small iron pot and chuncks of
lead. My understanding was that grandpa melted lead and used it - he
was a tinsmith. But I am sure that I handled that pot and pieces of
lead many times. Grandpa lived to be 88, and quite healthy to the end.

Well, now I'm 65 and reasonably healthy for an "older" guy. Still
waiting for the effects of that lead to kick in...

Al Baker
Portland





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45053 From: warren_chadbourne Date: 9/23/2007
Subject: Lead paint
Hi,
I'm sure you are all very concerned with having the lead tainted
Gilbert American Flyer trains in your collections. There is one very
simple fix for that problem. Just send me your tainted engines
(especially 330 series, or switchers) and I will take good care of
them for you.
At sixty I do not think they will make my mind any worse and I sure
would enjoy helping you good folk out by removing these terrible toxic
toys from your inventory.
I'm really only doing this for your own good. It sure could not be
for my gain, (could it?).
Warren
Group: S-Trains Message: 45054 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 9/23/2007
Subject: Re: Lead paint
Hey.. I wonder if ebay will make us put warnings on our listings now?????? Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45055 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/23/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/23/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45056 From: ken_5556 Date: 9/23/2007
Subject: Re: Cleaning plastic
For 40 plus years, I have been using Lemon Pledge applied with a soft

terry towel. Spray the Lemon Pledge on the towel and then rub it into

the towel. Rub the waxy towel on the engines and cars. Use an old

toothbrush and rub it into the towel to get it saturated. This works

great for the coal in the tenders. The only problem is when the

formula changes for the Pledge. Don't use the dollar a can copy cat

furniture polish. They don't shine when they dry. Also don't be

tempted to use water or detergent with water. I tried that back in

the 70's and now some of those items have rusted. Rust is harder to

get off then dirt.

Ken
Group: S-Trains Message: 45057 From: hobo47203 Date: 9/23/2007
Subject: 4th Annual Indianapolis S Show
One and all are invited to attend the 4th Annual Indianapolis S Show on
Saturday November 17th from 10 until 3 pm! Once again the Hoosier S
Gaugers will be hosting the the Indianapolis S Show at the Carmel Lions
Club House at 141 East Main Street in downtown Carmel, Indiana. The Show
will feature dealer tables, 2 clinics, door prizes and 2 operating
layouts and admission is still only $5. Canteen service will be
available by Miss Barbara featuring the famous 40 foot scale hot dog!
If possible arrvie on Friday evening and attend the popular night
before the Show tradition the Bring & Brag Session and Dinner at
Shapiro's Restaurant in Carmel. It's always a night of great food, good
friends, conversation and some great modeling projects. For more
information or dealer tables contact Charles Malinowski at 317 566-1748
or by email at bmry1905@.... Come and enjoy so Hoosier
Hospitality in S Scale.

Bob Morrison
Hoosier s Gaugers
Columbus, Indiana
Group: S-Trains Message: 45058 From: Robert Graves Date: 9/24/2007
Subject: Re: 21005 Tender: Pictures of underside are now online
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John Keating <john_keating@...> wrote:
Hello, Please advise if the 21005 tender trucks were equipped with
sliding pick up shoes. Thank you. John Keating






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45059 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 9/24/2007
Subject: WARNING!
To follow up on Bob's thought about warnings.....
WARNING! The following posting has been created by someone who grew
up with lead paint on everything, had a few lead soldiers, used lead
pencils (wish I had more lead in my pencil), pumped leaded gasoline as
a service station attendant, worked with lead wheel weights in the
tire business, and has even "lead" people astray!
The same person has drunk unpasturized milk, and untaxed alcohol,
water from untested springs and wells, eaten uninspected vegetables
and meat on the farm, and has been unnerved by all this crap on TV.
At the behest of the medical establishment, this person has also
been X-rayed, injected with Barium, been electronmagnetically pulsed
by an MRI, and given vast amounts of various drugs, some of which
turned out to be harmful.
The same individual has lived within two hundred feet of high
tension power lines which put out enough power in the air to keep a
farm tractor running with the ignition switch turned off, watched
uncounted hours of television with his face close to the screen
because the picture was so fuzzy back when you had to have an antenna,
and lived in a time when the government set off atomic bomb tests
regularly and the radiation drifted all the way across the country
(but it was "safe").
Somehow, this individual is still here! Unfortunately, he can no
longer remember what the message was supposed to be which was to
follow this warning!
Stumpy, ah, er, gee, I can't remember my name...Martins Ferry, Ahia
Group: S-Trains Message: 45060 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 9/24/2007
Subject: Re: 21005 Tender: Pictures of underside are now online
Great pictures. BTW - I've always wondered why they put BOTH the usual copper pick-ups on the axles PLUS the additional "shoe". Is it a case of wearing both a belt AND suspenders (?), or was there a problem with good pick-up in the "usual" manner due to weight issues, etc.?
Jim E.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45061 From: Tim Brown Date: 9/24/2007
Subject: Re: 21005 Tender: Pictures of underside are now online
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jimensign50@... wrote:
Is it a case of wearing both a belt AND suspenders (?), or was there
a problem with good pick-up in the "usual" manner due to weight
issues, etc.?
> Jim E.

My own personal opinion is that ALL of the Flyer locos could have
benefited from a better pick-up system - especially with the narrow
radius track and switches the factory turned out to begin with, not
to mention 60+ years of hard play and neglect which allows all the
tolerances to be slop by now, unless one buys MIB and runs them. As
I convert my fleet to DCC, I enhance the pick-up. For instance, I
add an additional wheel wipe to all diesel locos on the "other"
side. I know of another fellow on this List who has devised a wheel
wipe on steamer loco driver wheels as well. I kinda hate to admit
it, but Lionel O gauge locos have it all over Flyer S gauge locos
when it comes to electrical pick-up. Examine the S-Helper S gauge
locos. Note how superior their all-wheel electrical pick-up is.
There is a reason for it. They run.

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45062 From: roy inman Date: 9/24/2007
Subject: Re: WARNING!
Stumpy old chum, I would say you are one lucky guy!

My dad got a brain tumor from all that radiation.

And actually, some of the folks who I used to live near made some of that
untaxed alcohol...

Roy Inman

From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:14:52 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] WARNING!


To follow up on Bob's thought about warnings.....
WARNING! The following posting has been created by someone who grew
up with lead paint on everything, had a few lead soldiers, used lead
pencils (wish I had more lead in my pencil), pumped leaded gasoline as
a service station attendant, worked with lead wheel weights in the
tire business, and has even "lead" people astray!
The same person has drunk unpasturized milk, and untaxed alcohol,
water from untested springs and wells, eaten uninspected vegetables
and meat on the farm, and has been unnerved by all this crap on TV.
At the behest of the medical establishment, this person has also
been X-rayed, injected with Barium, been electronmagnetically pulsed
by an MRI, and given vast amounts of various drugs, some of which
turned out to be harmful.
The same individual has lived within two hundred feet of high
tension power lines which put out enough power in the air to keep a
farm tractor running with the ignition switch turned off, watched
uncounted hours of television with his face close to the screen
because the picture was so fuzzy back when you had to have an antenna,
and lived in a time when the government set off atomic bomb tests
regularly and the radiation drifted all the way across the country
(but it was "safe").
Somehow, this individual is still here! Unfortunately, he can no
longer remember what the message was supposed to be which was to
follow this warning!
Stumpy, ah, er, gee, I can't remember my name...Martins Ferry, Ahia







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Group: S-Trains Message: 45063 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 9/24/2007
Subject: Re: WARNING! not train related Stumpys note
Three cheers for Stumpy, I used to ride in cars without child seats, Brittney would have been fine.? My brothers arm saved my teeth!!

?

Tom

-----Original Message-----

From: roy inman

To: Stumpy Stone ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Mon, Sep 24 5:19 PM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] WARNING!

Stumpy old chum, I would say you are one lucky guy!
My dad got a brain tumor from all that radiation.
And actually, some of the folks who I used to live near made some of that untaxed alcohol...

Roy Inman
Group: S-Trains Message: 45064 From: G C Date: 9/24/2007
Subject: Re: WARNING!
Everyone, please be rest assured I understood your humor, I didn't mean to make an example of anyone, but I didn't want the humorous approach to downplay what I consider a serious health issue for kids. Unfortunately, I spent 37 years of my life working as a research tech at various medical institutions. Lets just say I don't like seeing bad stuff happen. There was no intended put down toward anyone in this group.

As for my dislike for Walmart, that stems mainly from what I see happening to small business in America. I understand folks need to save money in this less than wonderful economy.

Sincerely, Gene


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45065 From: hobo47203 Date: 9/24/2007
Subject: Indianapolis S Show flyer
All,
I have posted the flyer for the Indianapolis S Show in the files
section of this list for your information. Hope to see you all there.

Bob Morrison
Hoosier S Gaugers
Columbus, Indiana
Group: S-Trains Message: 45066 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 9/24/2007
Subject: Re: WARNING!
hey no offense intended and none taken, just us train guys commenting on our mispent youth; we are just old guys wondering how we survived.? It amazes me how I ever reached the age of 21.? Life has changed so much went from playing trains to computer games? Lead is dangerous it should not be on toys but we melted it molded it not knowing any better.??Each generation deserves a better healthier environment;with all due respect to those who are ensuring that they do.? Tom







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From: G C

To: roy inman ; Stumpy Stone ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Mon, Sep 24 11:11 PM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] WARNING!













Everyone, please be rest assured I understood your humor, I didn't mean to make an example of anyone, but I didn't want the humorous approach to downplay what I consider a serious health issue for kids. Unfortunately, I spent 37 years of my life working as a research tech at various medical institutions. Lets just say I don't like seeing bad stuff happen. There was no intended put down toward anyone in this group.



As for my dislike for Walmart, that stems mainly from what I see happening to small business in America. I understand folks need to save money in this less than wonderful economy.



Sincerely, Gene



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45067 From: Edward G. Date: 9/25/2007
Subject: Don Thompson....Please Goose us....!!!!
Don its about time that the subject be brought up again ...I want a S
gauge Goose...there are none out there ...And I will be the first to
pay up if you would only commit to producing a Pirce Arrow Silverton
Goose #5 RioGrande & Southern....Afterall it is part of US
history..and the only ones that seem to be around are HNO3
kits ...YUK ...how about one with sound of a straight 8...??????
The last time we asked I did a survey of the guys on S Trains and over
40 said they too would step up..and that was a one night survey...
Thanx ...(NevergiveupHopein) Edward

COMMON you S Lovers ...speak up and tell Don you too would support
this ......
Group: S-Trains Message: 45068 From: Edward G. Date: 9/25/2007
Subject: Re ....Goose....
For those who might not know the history ....here is a link to the
ones remaining in service today ...be it all that the boxcar has now
added windows for the people to ride in it ...
http://www.crrm.org/rgs_motors.htm
Group: S-Trains Message: 45069 From: G C Date: 9/25/2007
Subject: Re: WARNING!
Well just to keep all of this on topic, I worry about the existence of hobby and train shops in particular.

Gene


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45070 From: beebear Date: 9/25/2007
Subject: Re: Don Thompson....Please Goose us....!!!!
Well for my 2 cents worth... it would be cool to have one and I would buy one
BUT I wish Don would produce some switches to go with his FLEX track.

John

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45071 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 9/25/2007
Subject: Re: WARNING!
I am sorry too Stumpy - we realize you were being humorous but it is
a black, controversial subject. Some people have fabulous immune
systems and can go through life with no problems. Many of the rest
of us can not. Lead is bad. Archeologists have found many ancient
Romans died of lead poisoning. It is believed to be the singlemost
chemical cause of death in Victorian cities in the 19th century. in
both cases because of lead water pipes. There are numerous medical
studies showing reduced learning capacities in children ingesting
too much lead. As to radiation I am an old wireless buff and three
out of a membership of around 60 ex radio technicians in our
historical radio club have died of brain tumors in the last 5 years.
I am informed that the statistics for ex radar technicians in the
1940's and 50's, deceased due to brain tumors, are frightening. It
is a good subject to avoid making fun of. Remember the truth about
these matters often depends on the financial ability of vested
interests to surpress the facts much as the tobacco and asbestos
industries did for many years. Alistair
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, G C <ecphora123@...> wrote:
>
> Everyone, please be rest assured I understood your humor, I didn't
mean to make an example of anyone, but I didn't want the humorous
approach to downplay what I consider a serious health issue for
kids. Unfortunately, I spent 37 years of my life working as a
research tech at various medical institutions. Lets just say I don't
like seeing bad stuff happen. There was no intended put down toward
anyone in this group.
>
> As for my dislike for Walmart, that stems mainly from what I see
happening to small business in America. I understand folks need to
save money in this less than wonderful economy.
>
> Sincerely, Gene
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45072 From: beebear Date: 9/25/2007
Subject: Re: Re ....Goose....
I don't think one of those would be to hard to scratch build. I mean they look kinda
junky to start with so you wouldn't have to be perfect when you built it. Maybe getting
it powered might take a little thinking.

John


----- Original Message -----
From: Edward G.
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 3:54 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re ....Goose....


For those who might not know the history ....here is a link to the
ones remaining in service today ...be it all that the boxcar has now
added windows for the people to ride in it ...
http://www.crrm.org/rgs_motors.htm





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45073 From: roy inman Date: 9/25/2007
Subject: FW: WARNING!
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> From: Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...>
> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:39:12 +0000
> To: roy inman <rinphoto@...>
> Subject: Re: WARNING!
>
> Roy could you please post to the general board that last message I
> inadvertenly sent to you instead of the Board? Or return it to me
> and I will post it. This board is the only one I have come across
> where the default is a direct reply instead of the general message
> board and I keep forgetting it. My apologies and thank you.
> Alistairc
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
>>
>> Stumpy old chum, I would say you are one lucky guy!
>>
>> My dad got a brain tumor from all that radiation.
>>
>> And actually, some of the folks who I used to live near made some
> of that
>> untaxed alcohol...
>>
>> Roy Inman
>>
>> From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...>
>> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:14:52 +0000
>> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [S-Trains] WARNING!
>>
>>
>> To follow up on Bob's thought about warnings.....
>> WARNING! The following posting has been created by someone who
> grew
>> up with lead paint on everything, had a few lead soldiers, used
> lead
>> pencils (wish I had more lead in my pencil), pumped leaded
> gasoline as
>> a service station attendant, worked with lead wheel weights in the
>> tire business, and has even "lead" people astray!
>> The same person has drunk unpasturized milk, and untaxed alcohol,
>> water from untested springs and wells, eaten uninspected vegetables
>> and meat on the farm, and has been unnerved by all this crap on TV.
>> At the behest of the medical establishment, this person has also
>> been X-rayed, injected with Barium, been electronmagnetically
> pulsed
>> by an MRI, and given vast amounts of various drugs, some of which
>> turned out to be harmful.
>> The same individual has lived within two hundred feet of high
>> tension power lines which put out enough power in the air to keep a
>> farm tractor running with the ignition switch turned off, watched
>> uncounted hours of television with his face close to the screen
>> because the picture was so fuzzy back when you had to have an
> antenna,
>> and lived in a time when the government set off atomic bomb tests
>> regularly and the radiation drifted all the way across the country
>> (but it was "safe").
>> Somehow, this individual is still here! Unfortunately, he can no
>> longer remember what the message was supposed to be which was to
>> follow this warning!
>> Stumpy, ah, er, gee, I can't remember my name...Martins Ferry, Ahia
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45074 From: Scale S Only Date: 9/25/2007
Subject: Re: Don Thompson....Please Goose us....!!!!
Geese of all kinds have been imported in their correct gauge -- Sn3. Both
PBL and NWSL/PFM hae done geese.

Bill Winans

Don its about time that the subject be brought up again ...I want a S
gauge Goose...there are none out there ...And I will be the first to
pay up if you would only commit to producing a Pirce Arrow Silverton
Goose #5 RioGrande & Southern....Afterall it is part of US
history..and the only ones that seem to be around are HNO3
kits ...YUK ...how about one with sound of a straight 8...??????
The last time we asked I did a survey of the guys on S Trains and over
40 said they too would step up..and that was a one night survey...
Thanx ...(NevergiveupHopein) Edward

COMMON you S Lovers ...speak up and tell Don you too would support
this ......
Group: S-Trains Message: 45075 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 9/25/2007
Subject: Re: WARNING!
I know Stumpy was being humorous..... But I see and agree with his stand.... At this years Reno races, 3 pilots bought the farm on as many days.... They knew the risks when they strapped their birds on, Now they want to ban Airshows... Years ago when I flew Aerobatics... I fully understood the risk.... even with a chute on.... But the lure of the sky drew me up...... Race cars wreck.... Ban them???? Do you know some species of wood is lethal.... I still do and since I was a kid work with Walnut and Cedar..... Both have some level on toxicity.... I also, when blowing glass use I ground Vaseline Frit for color..... It has a low level of radio activity.... U-238.... I have two distant relatives who caused people to die from lead poisoning... Frank and Jesse..... The bottom line is Anything and everything can and is possible lethal.... Beds.... are no exception.... That DA** school bus in front of me Belching out Carbon Monoxide at the light... When I get up every morning I say Thank you GOD for a beautiful day.... Protect Me..... Drink LOTS OF WATER.... that's the most stupid statement people make.... That's what killed my wife.... Too much fluid!!!!! Bottom Line..... Life is full of dangers and risks..... Yes I feel sad for people who have problems.... and I do what i can to help.... I laid down on a sat night and took my meds..... same ones for years...... I was found Tuesday at about 1..... In and out of comas..... meds backfired..... but I was doing what I was told to do..... Lead in pipes.... PVC in pipes will cause problems someday...... ..... we can't go back to drinking out of a creek like we were kids...... This whole mess is called PROGRESS.... Even if we went back to the Caves..... A TITE might break off and, well there was danger there too..... Bob

Sorry to offend all

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45076 From: Trains Date: 9/25/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Don Thompson....Please Goose us....!!!!
Re: GOOSE.. there have been several versions of the goose in kit form in Sn3 and also in G and in O, On3, On30 scale besides HOn3 and even Nn? with a Z scale mechanism. MTH has a GOOSE in O, scaled correctly....but it runs on standard ga. track it has sounds with motor, brake squeel and people sounds and is a hoot to watch and hear....so there has been a lot of GOOsing going around in all comon scales. Why not contact them (MTH) and see if you can get some intrest...it would need to be made adaptable for both S std (high-rail) and Sn3 to get enough people interested to justify any thoughts of production.

Dr. K. Loeb (Peter)

----- Original Message -----
From: Edward G.
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:36 AM
Subject: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Don Thompson....Please Goose us....!!!!


Don its about time that the subject be brought up again ...I want a S
gauge Goose...there are none out there ...And I will be the first to
pay up if you would only commit to producing a Pirce Arrow Silverton
Goose #5 RioGrande & Southern....Afterall it is part of US
history..and the only ones that seem to be around are HNO3
kits ...YUK ...how about one with sound of a straight 8...??????
The last time we asked I did a survey of the guys on S Trains and over
40 said they too would step up..and that was a one night survey...
Thanx ...(NevergiveupHopein) Edward

COMMON you S Lovers ...speak up and tell Don you too would support
this ......





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45077 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 9/25/2007
Subject: Re: WARNING!
Re: [S-Trains] Re: WARNING!I agree about MAN MADE things..... But don't forget Lead..... Pb..... Is found in NATURE..... Its an element with the atomic # 82 .... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: roy inman
To: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Alistair McAllister
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: WARNING!


No offense taken here Robert.

I understand what you are saying, and sure it makes sense.

It is a dangerous world. As for anything being lethal, watch The Riddick Chronicles (or is it The Chronicles of Riddick...?) sometime. He turns ordinary objects into weapons...

I guess my only comment might be that we do have far more human made toxins in our environment today than at any time in history. I emphasize "human." Natural disasters like volcanoes have spewed gosh-awful stuff world wide for a very long time.

But in my physically conservative alleged mind, it seems to make sense to limit our exposure to the stuff that we KNOW causes XXX. And that goes especially for our kids and grandkids.

Oh, and BTW, when we lived in Colorado we learned that no matter how pristine a creek appears, it contains many of the naturally-occurring hard metals that build up in the body and arteries over time and that animals taking a #2 in the stream leave some awful parasite that, once it gets into our bodies, never leaves and causes all manner of distress. That has apparently been true for centuries, so even that innocent-looking creek, depending upon where it is, was and is, harmful.

There is some evidence that is starting to show that kids raised around a certain amount of dirt build up more of an immunity to bad stuff. Maybe that is why some of old timers us are still around?

Cheers :)

Roy Inman, returning to the building of a scale KCS concrete arch bridge in time for the holiday layout, he hopes...!




From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...>
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:37:57 -0400
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: WARNING!


The bottom line is Anything and everything can and is possible lethal


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45078 From: roy inman Date: 9/25/2007
Subject: Re: WARNING!
No offense taken here Robert.

I understand what you are saying, and sure it makes sense.

It is a dangerous world. As for anything being lethal, watch The Riddick
Chronicles (or is it The Chronicles of Riddick...?) sometime. He turns
ordinary objects into weapons...

I guess my only comment might be that we do have far more human made toxins
in our environment today than at any time in history. I emphasize "human."
Natural disasters like volcanoes have spewed gosh-awful stuff world wide for
a very long time.

But in my physically conservative alleged mind, it seems to make sense to
limit our exposure to the stuff that we KNOW causes XXX. And that goes
especially for our kids and grandkids.

Oh, and BTW, when we lived in Colorado we learned that no matter how
pristine a creek appears, it contains many of the naturally-occurring hard
metals that build up in the body and arteries over time and that animals
taking a #2 in the stream leave some awful parasite that, once it gets into
our bodies, never leaves and causes all manner of distress. That has
apparently been true for centuries, so even that innocent-looking creek,
depending upon where it is, was and is, harmful.

There is some evidence that is starting to show that kids raised around a
certain amount of dirt build up more of an immunity to bad stuff. Maybe that
is why some of old timers us are still around?

Cheers :)

Roy Inman, returning to the building of a scale KCS concrete arch bridge in
time for the holiday layout, he hopes...!



From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...>
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:37:57 -0400
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: WARNING!

The bottom line is Anything and everything can and is possible lethal



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45079 From: Scale S Only Date: 9/25/2007
Subject: Re: WARNING!
Life is lethal...

Bill Winans


I guess my only comment might be that we do have far more human made toxins
in our environment today than at any time in history. I emphasize
human." ----
Group: S-Trains Message: 45080 From: Bill Lane Date: 9/26/2007
Subject: website update
Hi All,

I have added to and updated a few pages on my website. I got a wonderful new
photo of Howie Waelder that is now on the Howie Page. I added the 2007
photos to the CJSS page. I also added a page 3 to the S Scale Modules.
Please give them all a look.

It will be great to have some new modules next year. What a great surprise
from Don DeWitt. We are inspiring each other to get something new started. I
just may make some new modules myself.

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com
Winner of the 2007 Josh Seltzer NASG Website Award
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26
http://www.pennsysmodels.com

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com
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It's FREE (for now) http://www.prslhs.com
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45081 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 9/26/2007
Subject: Keeping an eye on Pine Canyon, advert
Hi Gang,
We posted a gallery of a quicky diorama for the style 1 kits to show
how things look with s-scale trains and autos etc. Also, we have a free
images page for fun details. Here is a link to the starting page.
http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/style1.htm These new corner store
kits will start shipping Monday. Many of our older kits are nearly sold
out and may not be available again for some time. We just don't have
space on the line for them and the help is getting scarse. The ladies
have been spending more and more time taking care of their aging
parents. So I cut them a break.

NOW.. I gotta get back to work on style 2. Hope to have it ready for
Christmas.

Have a fun day, Keith Blanchard and the Pine Canyon care center.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45082 From: Gary Chudzinski Date: 9/26/2007
Subject: Re: Warning - Risk!
Re: WARNING!
>Posted by: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" rcon7@...
>Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:01 pm (PST)

>I know Stumpy was being humorous..... But I see and agree with his stand.... At this years Reno races, 3 pilots bought the farm on as many days.... They >knew the risks when they strapped their birds on, Now they want to ban Airshows... Years ago when I flew Aerobatics... I fully understood the risk.... even >with a chute on.... But the lure of the sky drew me up...... Race cars wreck.... Ban them???? Bob

Robert,
It just boggles my mind how those outside the element (interest) are such fabulous experts, know better what is good for others, and based on their oppinion, try to prevent others from enjoying that interest/hobby. Whether specator or pilot, you go to an airshow because you enjoy it. The risk is obvious, and if they can't stand the risk, stay home! I'm into RC jets and that element of the radio control hobby has been muddied by the same type of thinking. It's obvious in this country the real problem lies with the grubby lawyers, insurance companies, opportunists and our pathetic tort system. Life is a risk and the things we do as a matter of fact should be left in proper perspective! Don't get me wrong. If someone is doing something irresponsibly and an innocent bystander is a victim, that's a different situation. But, flying in the air races, flying aerobatics, or being a spectator, the risk is obvious. Those outside that interest should mind their own business, unless of course, they have infinite impedence between the ears! I remember as a youth my grandparents concerned that my AF train might catch the carpet on fire. :-)

Gary Chudzinski
chudgr@...

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45083 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 9/26/2007
Subject: Re;re:WARNING
Okay, gang, this subject has just about been beaten to death!
However, let me leave it with this thought.....
PEOPLE ARE HARMFUL!
The ROOT cause of most of our planetary problems are...US!
Overpopulation is killing us. We're draining our resources and
polluting the environment at an accelerated rate that cannot be
sustained.
Overpopulation was a big issue back in the late sixties, but now
largely forgotten. The Chinese had a huge problem then, and took
ruthless steps to curb their population. Remember the movie "Solent
Green" in the seventies? (If not, find it at the movie store and
watch it...it's probably our future.)
We're destroying ourselves(Remember the legend of Atlantis?)
Now, is that dark enough for you? I write science fiction and I CAN
get uglier..... Let's get back to trains.
Stumpy Stone...I also do humor...from my hidden hillside lair in
Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45084 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 9/26/2007
Subject: Re: Re;re:WARNING
Let Stunpys final note end this string.... But like when my Wife said something to me I always had the last word...... YES DEAR !!!!! ..... Bob
Group: S-Trains Message: 45085 From: TWesthelle@aol.com Date: 9/26/2007
Subject: Re: Warning - Risk!
Warning: Life is a RISK

We all, each day, make choices and decisions that are risks, part of life.
We calculate the level of risk dependent upon how important it is to us.
Nobody wants to make the wrong choices, but sometimes it happens. The unfortunate
situation is when we are exposed to risk that we are unaware of. Sometimes
others are aware of the risk and do not share it, that is the risk that should
never occur. Mine workers are aware of the risk each day, but due to economic
situations are forced to accept the risk to provide for themselves and their
families. This also translates to many other occupations. As long as one
makes the conscious choice of risk versus return, it is fair.
I was just laid off as part of a division closure in the homebuilding
industry. We had a great ride, but the risk became reality a few weeks ago when we
were all laid off in a cost cutting move. So, once again choices, take the
risk of remaining in an industry that has a long recovery period, or find a new
career.
I am having my knee replaced next week, risk versus benefit to a better
lifestyle.

Life is risky, but anything worth living for has some level of risk attached.
Hell, when we all began collecting American Flyer Trains, we took the risk,
personally I still think the benefit has outweighs the risk.

Embrace Risk,
Tom Westhelle
Oviedo, FL
Group: S-Trains Message: 45086 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 9/26/2007
Subject: Re: Re;re:WARNING
WOW this conversation sounds like a really REALLY late conversation at S Fest .? TOO serious for me.? I guess you say the only cause of death is birth.?Everything in between should be enjoyed.? Like trains.? Getting back on track? LOL? got a lot of stuff going on ebay LOL


?


Hope all is well with you guys and gals Tom

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45087 From: Mike Rosz Date: 9/26/2007
Subject: real trains
what is the length of the thrall hopper car used for coal 50 feet +
couplers add 2 more ??
saw about 141 the other day all WEPX markings pulled by UP.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45088 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 9/26/2007
Subject: Goose in s gauge?
Why would anyone want a goose that runs on regular s track. Has
anyone seen pictures of one on regular gauge track. I have looked and
it never happened. It was usedin an area where standard gauge track
was not fesable at the time. Now if you wanted one for s gauge you
would need to make it the size of o gauge to be proportional to narrow
gauge. Stick to sn3narrow gauge for the goose. Just my thoughts.

I am making a home? portable layout 5x9 that will be able to run
ac,dc, and dcc when I get it wired. I live where s gauge does not get
to the local train shows, so I am taking that step. I will be able to
show what can be had in s gauge, and get my local hobby shops tomake
the plunge and start carrying.
Thahks,
Alan Lambert
Group: S-Trains Message: 45089 From: Phil K Date: 9/26/2007
Subject: S in hobby shops
>>I am making a home? portable layout 5x9 that will be able to run
ac,dc, and dcc when I get it wired. I live where s gauge does not get
to the local train shows, so I am taking that step. I will be able to
show what can be had in s gauge, and get my local hobby shops tomake
the plunge and start carrying.
Thanks,
Alan Lambert<<

Alan, that's a great idea. But I'm not sure if S manufacturers other
than Lionel are still pushing hard to get their products into hobby
shops. I do know it is difficult to get shelf space for S. Most LHS
will order S stuff after taking a deposit, but the Internet definitely
is cheaper overall than a brick-and-mortar store.

I think most new S is being sold on the Internet. But what do S gaugers who don't have Internet access do to find trains? Buying new at train shows isn't cheap, either, with a few exceptions.

In the advance copy of the iHOBBY EXPO program (Oct. 18-21 in Rosemont,
Illinois) I was sent, nowhere do I see American Models or S-Helper
Service listed among the 45 model train exhibitors. Lionel LLC does
have a booth.

Maybe Don Thompson can explain.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 45090 From: Donald Thompson Date: 9/26/2007
Subject: Re: S Scale in Hobby Shops
Dear Phil,
We still have lots of hobby shops that sell and stock our stuff.
Much more than we sell online. In general hobby shops that carry our stuff either the owner had or knew someone that had AF when they were young or there is a local club that supports the scale.
Re: iHobby Expo - maybe if they did not schedule the show during
York week, they might get a few more O & S guage mfgs. They know this weekend is bad as I had told them over the years not to pick York Week. I got the dues notice for the organization yesterday
and I did not renew. I cannot speak for Ron, but he once went to the
show once a few years back.
Best,
Don


>>I am making a home? portable layout 5x9 that will be able to run
ac,dc, and dcc when I get it wired. I live where s gauge does not get
to the local train shows, so I am taking that step. I will be able to
show what can be had in s gauge, and get my local hobby shops tomake
the plunge and start carrying.
Thanks,
Alan Lambert<<

Alan, that's a great idea. But I'm not sure if S manufacturers other
than Lionel are still pushing hard to get their products into hobby
shops. I do know it is difficult to get shelf space for S. Most LHS
will order S stuff after taking a deposit, but the Internet definitely
is cheaper overall than a brick-and-mortar store.

I think most new S is being sold on the Internet. But what do S gaugers
who don't have Internet access do to find trains? Buying new at train
shows isn't cheap, either, with a few exceptions.

In the advance copy of the iHOBBY EXPO program (Oct. 18-21 in Rosemont,
Illinois) I was sent, nowhere do I see American Models or S-Helper
Service listed among the 45 model train exhibitors. Lionel LLC does
have a booth.

Maybe Don Thompson can explain.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 45091 From: roy inman Date: 9/26/2007
Subject: Re: Warning - Risk!
I remember as a youth my grandparents concerned that my AF train might
catch the carpet on fire. :-)

Gary Chudzinski

Gary, et al;

Interesting you should bring this up. My grandkids did in fact catch the
carpet on fire, but with Lionel trains.

All the alleged adults thought that someone else was watching them. Not.

So, when the train derailed and shorted out across the tracks, the kids just
left the room and about ten minutes later we all smelled smoke coming from
the living room.

We put out the smoldering fire, which no doubt was releasing toxic gases,
and after it had cooled, put a throw rug over the burned patch. The engines
still run, and the old Lionel KW transformer works OK.

Roy Inman



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45092 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 9/27/2007
Subject: New S Gauge Layout
my local club, the Central Railway Model and Historical Association,
has just approved a new permanent layout for AF trains in a 12x15 ft
room in our new building in central, sc. it will be called the Heritage
Layout, as opposed to the larger ho layout in a modified 26x35 ft room.
while we have a nice array of af trains donated by a charter member,
Curt Ehmann, and myself, we welcome anyone in the area who would like
to help build the layout over the fall/winter for our grand opening
next spring. and we will accept more af train donations and railroad
artifacts for our museum at any time. after opening, the building will
be free to the public on saturdays, with work sessions probably on
thursday evenings. ya'll come see us next year! dale reynolds,
pendleton sc
Group: S-Trains Message: 45093 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 9/27/2007
Subject: Re: New S Gauge Layout
Can you post a plan of your LAYOUT.... Using AF track, etc???? Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: reynoldsjmus
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] New S Gauge Layout


my local club, the Central Railway Model and Historical Association,
has just approved a new permanent layout for AF trains in a 12x15 ft
room in our new building in central, sc. it will be called the Heritage
Layout, as opposed to the larger ho layout in a modified 26x35 ft room.
while we have a nice array of af trains donated by a charter member,
Curt Ehmann, and myself, we welcome anyone in the area who would like
to help build the layout over the fall/winter for our grand opening
next spring. and we will accept more af train donations and railroad
artifacts for our museum at any time. after opening, the building will
be free to the public on saturdays, with work sessions probably on
thursday evenings. ya'll come see us next year! dale reynolds,
pendleton sc





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45095 From: bob barbara Date: 9/27/2007
Subject: 24565 cannon car
Can anyone here tell me how to tell an original AF cannon for the
24565 flat car? What to look for? Markings? I think I have one.

But I know there are a lot of fakes out there...

Thanks for any help,
Bob
Group: S-Trains Message: 45096 From: Mark Koenig Date: 9/28/2007
Subject: 955 inserts
Hi all,

A coworker brought in some "old trains" the other day after he saw a
copy of S-Gaugian on my desk. It turned out to be a 354 and two 955
Coaches. They are from his childhood and are in pretty rough
shape. They have missing and broken couplers and also some of the
axles are missing. Since I have some spare couplers and axles I
offered to fix them up.

I was able to get the 955's apart by gently pulling out the four
corner pins (I didn't even need to heat them up with a soldering
pencil). Inside the shells the paper inserts and clear plastic was
rolled up. I can't seem to figure out how they were originally
installed so I can reinstall them. Does anyone know how I can get
the inserts to fit smoothly against the sides? I searched the
archives but the majority of the responses talked about finding
replacement silhouettes. Any help would be appreciated.

TIA,

Mark in MN
Group: S-Trains Message: 45097 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 9/29/2007
Subject: S-Trains
I don't seem to be getting any email from S-Trains@yahoogroups.com. Anyone
else experiencing this problem?



Chuck Smith

http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

cesmith@...



_____

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of trainnut1627
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:18 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Transformer Circuit Protectors



Back in 2003, Tom Jarcho talked about possibly getting a circuit
protector, to replace the one in the 15B Flyer Transformer, with one
from an auto parts store. In my looking so far, I cannot find breakers
that are az low as 4 amps at Auto Parts Stores (mostly 15 to 20 amp
sizes). Fred Jester doesn't have any of the originals, and I'm guessing
other suppliers are in the same shape. The circuit Breaker in my 15B is
made by Klixon, and they are still very much in business, but dealers
for them would only sell to manufacturers and jobbers.
Has anyone had any luck buying off-the-shelf circuit breakers of a
proper size to replace the defective one in a 15B? If so, please tell
me where.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45098 From: Phil K Date: 9/29/2007
Subject: Re: S-Trains
> I don't seem to be getting any email from S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Anyone
> else experiencing this problem?

> Chuck Smith
>
> http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

I checked your membership's email address and your settings here are to
get individual emails sent to you. If you are not getting them check
with your IP or check your spam filter.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 45099 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/29/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/30/2007, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday September 30, 2007
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours.
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Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45100 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 9/29/2007
Subject: BULLETIN--S Ga Boxcars
GREAT news for S-Gaugers--TCA's National Toy Train Museum "Museum Committee"
will be offering two specially decorated American Flyer by LIONEL boxcars at
the semi-annual OPEN HOUSE on Wednesday October 17th, starting at 10 AM. One
car is done in "early" READING "Bee Line" and the other in PRR Tuscan Red.
Each car sells for $49.95 + PA Sales Tx, buy both ( $99.90 + Tx) and receive a
FREE TCA "Road Sign Set". Quantities are limited.

Also available will be a few of the Gary Lavinus Commemorative Work Cabooses.

The National Toy Train Museum is open FREE on Oct 17th, from 10 AM.

Jim Lyle



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45103 From: Phil K Date: 9/30/2007
Subject: Let's stick to trains and other non-volatile topics
While I am as opinionated and patriotic as anyone else, one of the
basic rules founder Paul Yorke installed here was a "NO POLITICS, NO
RELIGION" rule which is ironclad.

I have deleted one message from the board. In itself it was relatively
harmless, although not related directly to trains discussion.

But the subsequent followup messages [and complaints that it was off-
topic and unwelcome] turned up the burner. We all know this isn't the
place to beat up on ethnic groups, religions and governments.
Other related messages have been deleted as well.

Let's keep the discussion somewhere along the topic of S trains.

Thank you,

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 45104 From: clayton deich Date: 9/30/2007
Subject: Re: Let's stick to trains and other non-volatile topics
Phil I buy "S" train parts off of ebay, and from
Bob's at times. This makes one more step of going out,
and the need to get a check to pay for it now. Also I
think it was up to all of you to look at it on his
site. I did not say anything wrong or out of line.
If you intended that for me then I think you are over
the edge on this one.

Clayton S. D.



--- Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote:

> While I am as opinionated and patriotic as anyone
> else, one of the
> basic rules founder Paul Yorke installed here was a
> "NO POLITICS, NO
> RELIGION" rule which is ironclad.
>
> I have deleted one message from the board. In itself
> it was relatively
> harmless, although not related directly to trains
> discussion.
>
> But the subsequent followup messages [and complaints
> that it was off-
> topic and unwelcome] turned up the burner. We all
> know this isn't the
> place to beat up on ethnic groups, religions and
> governments.
> Other related messages have been deleted as well.
>
> Let's keep the discussion somewhere along the topic
> of S trains.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Phil K
>
>



____________________________________________________________________________________
Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
http://sims.yahoo.com/
Group: S-Trains Message: 45105 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 9/30/2007
Subject: Re: 343 TENDER GRAB/HAND RAIL
I need a hand rail for the right side of a 342-343 Tender. Anyone have an
org. that they want to part with?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45106 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/30/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/30/2007, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday September 30, 2007
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://s-scale.org/forum/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45107 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 9/30/2007
Subject: Re: Let's stick to trains and other non-volatile topics
Clayton..... I went to his site and I se nothing wrong with the posting..... Its a WARNING TO ALL OF US ABOUT SCAMMING..... And its happening more and more..... The "S" list is just that for "S" trains.... But from time to time we do go off on Tangents and Air Personal Things..... Like me when I lost my Great Wife 4 years ago..... I BADLY NEEDED FRIENDS TO TURN TO FOR HELP.... and sometimes we get silly..... BUT WE ARE ALL ONE BIG GROUP OF FRIENDS WHO WILL DO WHAT THEY CAN TO HELP ANOTHER "S" GUAGER... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: clayton deich
To: Phil K ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Let's stick to trains and other non-volatile topics


Phil I buy "S" train parts off of ebay, and from
Bob's at times. This makes one more step of going out,
and the need to get a check to pay for it now. Also I
think it was up to all of you to look at it on his
site. I did not say anything wrong or out of line.
If you intended that for me then I think you are over
the edge on this one.

Clayton S. D.

--- Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote:

> While I am as opinionated and patriotic as anyone
> else, one of the
> basic rules founder Paul Yorke installed here was a
> "NO POLITICS, NO
> RELIGION" rule which is ironclad.
>
> I have deleted one message from the board. In itself
> it was relatively
> harmless, although not related directly to trains
> discussion.
>
> But the subsequent followup messages [and complaints
> that it was off-
> topic and unwelcome] turned up the burner. We all
> know this isn't the
> place to beat up on ethnic groups, religions and
> governments.
> Other related messages have been deleted as well.
>
> Let's keep the discussion somewhere along the topic
> of S trains.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Phil K
>
>

__________________________________________________________
Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
http://sims.yahoo.com/




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45108 From: Tim Brown Date: 9/30/2007
Subject: I love a good flame
Hi All,

Let's face it, folks. Most of us on a hum-drum basis read these posts
through droopy eyes and have a modicum of interest in maybe one or
another. Most we dismiss as "not worthy". But let the flames fly and
doesn't it pique your interest! If you are being honest with yourself,
you know it does. Why delete flammable posts. Let's encourage them
instead! AND just like real life, today's decadence will be tomorrow's
classicism. Flammable posts are even better than a cup of Starbucks -
and if you flame ME - so much the better! I would rather go into the
books as controversial than boring.

"S" Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45109 From: Art Shifrin Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: thefts from Bob's Hobby Shop
I am sickened and furious over the thefts that they've endured. I knew
a chap from whom more than $20K was stolen under very similar
circumstances. He was the owner of a hobby shop in New Jersey.. Two
fraudulent transactions were conducted in person that authorized by the
CC Company then providing 'services' to the store. The merchandise was
taken in person in New Jersey.

Evidently, the standard terms under which many CC companies provide
their dis-services to merchants are to insulate themselves from the
responsibilities they purport to have. How ironic and convenient it is
that The First Data Card Services Credit Card Company uses the
relatively primitive means of two-day airmail to inform the retailer of
the thefts. Yet it accepts retail transactions electronically. I of
course mean this snidely, because their business practices are evidently
intended to facilitate the thefts while seeming to comply with its
contractual obligations to you. Think about the scenario. If they were
to have precluded the transactions as soon as they knew about them, they
they'd not have the 'right' (rationalization) to loot the store's
checking account.

In civil suits, banks and investment brokers have been found liable for
losses to their clients arising out of their practices, be they
stipulated in their contracts or not. I'm not naively suggesting that
you litigate against FDCS, but you must continue to agitate as you have
so far done for help.

The agitation should include research into whether or not you have been
victimized by its practices in a discriminatory way. For example, in
exactly the same scenario, do they penalize major chain & e-biz
retailers to whom they also provide their 'services'?

All merchants who are reading this should consult with their CC services
companies and their own attorneys to determine if they too, have this
liability. If there's no domestic law enforcement recourse if the
shipments they make are to addresses outside of the USA, then they
should contemplate refusing to conduct such transactions.

It would also be interesting to research if any Federal legislation to
close the 'it's your fault if you rely upon our screening of invalid
credit card practices' has been proposed and then rejected in committee
OR open vote. Then challenge those legislators who are responsible for
explaining their actions.

This posting is self-evidently relevant to the purposes of this list,
because as consumers, we members who buy S gauge products and services
rely upon the successes of the businesses that we patronize.

Art Shifrin
www.shifrin.net <http://www.shifrin.net/
Group: S-Trains Message: 45110 From: trainnut1627 Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Non- S Related Postings
Dear Moderator;

I think its time you exercise control over the postings on this site.
While I sympathize with the owner of the Hobby Shop, his losses are
only a small fraction of the total Credit Card Fraud perpetrated
against merchants all over the world, and I don't think the later
postings on the topic do anything to add to the enjoyment of the topic
for which this site was created. The same can be said of the extended
discussion of health concerns over lead painted products; beyond
initial disclosure of pertinent data, personal feelings and health
experiences aren't germaine to the topic of this site.

Thank You,
Group: S-Trains Message: 45111 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Re: Non- S Related Postings
> Dear Moderator;
>
> I think its time you exercise control over the postings on this site.

Hi,

It's pretty well-known now that this List has de-evolved to pretty much
just collectors and plug-'n-players. The true builders and tinkerers
are either dead or moved on or just don't post much anymore because
they feel it will only fall on deaf - well - eyes, IMHO. So let us not
be too critical of what someone posts if they feel it is with-in the
broad - the very broad scope of toy trains. Instead, let's just all be
glad that someone, somewhere has something more or less on the topic
that they wish to share. It's a shame to see this List die from a lack
of interest. I would rather see questionable posts than none.

"S" Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45112 From: roy inman Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Re: S-Fest
Just out of curiosity, how many of you will be attending S Fest the first of
November in St. Louis?

Roy Inman, bag packed already for the trip from Lenexa, KS.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45113 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Re: S-Fest
In a message dated 10/01/2007 10:40:01 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
rinphoto@... writes:

Just out of curiosity, how many of you will be attending S Fest the first of
November in St. Louis?

Sam and I are planning to be there with some tables of stuff. A medical issue
has popped up that we hope won't put the kybosh on it.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45114 From: Phil K Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Re: Non- S Related Postings
I think all of the volunteer moderators on S-Trains have exercised very
good judgment in deciding what is appropriate for this site.

Personally, I'm all for a "little spice." Like Tim says, it piques
interest and there's nothing better than a hot topic to drive visits to
this forum. But someone has to maintain a balance.

Topics are evaluated on a case-by-case basis and this one was
certainly a different case. The whole thing would have
escalated into a total flameout and potentially harmed a place where
most of us -- like Bob Conner said -- are like a family.

There are other sites all over the web where people can blow their
political and racist bilges. Just not here.

Phil K

************************************************************

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "trainnut1627" <jchodges46@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Moderator;
>
> I think its time you exercise control over the postings on this site.
> While I sympathize with the owner of the Hobby Shop, his losses are
> only a small fraction of the total Credit Card Fraud perpetrated
> against merchants all over the world, and I don't think the later
> postings on the topic do anything to add to the enjoyment of the
topic
> for which this site was created. The same can be said of the extended
> discussion of health concerns over lead painted products; beyond
> initial disclosure of pertinent data, personal feelings and health
> experiences aren't germaine to the topic of this site.
>
> Thank You,
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45115 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Re: S-Fest
when is s fest??? bob
----- Original Message -----
From: boss31@...
To: rinphoto@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S-Fest



In a message dated 10/01/2007 10:40:01 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
rinphoto@... writes:

Just out of curiosity, how many of you will be attending S Fest the first of
November in St. Louis?

Sam and I are planning to be there with some tables of stuff. A medical issue
has popped up that we hope won't put the kybosh on it.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise
Group: S-Trains Message: 45116 From: roy inman Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Re: S-Fest
November 2~4.

Roy Inman

From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER <rcon7@...>

when is s fest??? bob
Group: S-Trains Message: 45117 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Tim Brown's Work-In-Progress
Hi,

I created a new folder and uploaded a pic of a Katy boxcar I re-
trucked and re-couplered. The trucks are the 70-ton SHS trucks. I
don't know if they are prototypical for this boxcar or not but I like
them because they have three springs, look terrific and make that
boxcar roll until tomorrow! The trick is to make the right thickness
shim for between the truck and chassis so the roof height is the same
as it always was. There is virtually no damage done to the car in
this make-over. Just simply drill out the old truck rivets and use a
2-56 bolt/nut with a #1 washer to fasten the new truck back on.
These small fastenings can be purchased online from
Microfasteners.com. The Kadee coupler requires one 1/32" hole in the
chassis in the center of the coupler; the flange on the Kadee snugs
up against the chassis and does the rest. I haven't tricked out the
repaint yet with detail parts. That is another learning curve yet to
be.

Here is a link:
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/bc2b?b=1

Otherwise, just go to the photo section, toggle over to the very last
of them and back up to "Tim Brown's Work In Progress" - where I will
be posting pics in the future of ways I've discovered to "juice-up"
old ACG toy trains.

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45118 From: Rick Evans Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Re: Tim Brown's Work-In-Progress
I would NEVER change out the AF trucks for SHS.
Oh wait a minute............yes I would!
http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer_003/AF942+with+SHS+truckscouplers.JPG.html


Rick.



I created a new folder and uploaded a pic of a Katy boxcar I re-
trucked and re-couplered. The trucks are the 70-ton SHS trucks. I
don't know if they are prototypical for this boxcar or not but I like
them because they have three springs, look terrific and make that
boxcar roll until tomorrow!


Here is a link:
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/bc2b?b=1

where I will
be posting pics in the future of ways I've discovered to "juice-up"
old ACG toy trains.

Regards,
Tim Brown







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Group: S-Trains Message: 45119 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Re: Non- S Related Postings
I still see posts from the
old timers and layout
builders BUT we all
get busy. I had 1'-6"
of my colon removed
4 weeks ago so now
I am cancer free.

This past Saturday we
took the Granddaughters
to Strasburg RR.
http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STRASBURGRR.html

I have not seen anything
about a Gilbert get together
at TCA York in 2.5 weeks.

Pop-Pop, Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Brown
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:09 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Non- S Related Postings


> Dear Moderator;
>
> I think its time you exercise control over the postings on this site.

Hi,

It's pretty well-known now that this List has de-evolved to pretty much
just collectors and plug-'n-players. The true builders and tinkerers
are either dead or moved on or just don't post much anymore because
they feel it will only fall on deaf - well - eyes, IMHO. So let us not
be too critical of what someone posts if they feel it is with-in the
broad - the very broad scope of toy trains. Instead, let's just all be
glad that someone, somewhere has something more or less on the topic
that they wish to share. It's a shame to see this List die from a lack
of interest. I would rather see questionable posts than none.

"S" Happens,
Tim Brown





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45120 From: Rick Evans Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Tim Brown's Work-In-Progress
***((((The ONLY reason to do that is that SHS trucks roll much better, far less drag and the metal wheels help keep the track clean. OOOPS, that was THREE reasons.))))****

And the FOURTH being,
My 942 didn't have any trucks/wheels!

Rick.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45121 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains
Here's some info from Jerry over on AvailableSGauge:

Standard catalog of American Flyer Trains by David Doyle
MSRP is $ 32.99 available at www.walmart.com for $ 20.00 UPC code
0978089689515, publisher is Krause Publications
Fantastic Book - 400 8 1/2 x 11 " pages in living color
Everything ever offered by AC Gilbert in S, Std, O and HO is presented
with 1,000 full color photos, accurate current market value pricing.

Jerry Matsick
AvailableSGauge Founder

This book must be hot off the presses because it shows an October 2007
issue date. I got a copy from Amazon.com for a couple of bucks less
than at Walmart.com thanks to lower shipping/handling plus no sales tax.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 45122 From: A. E. Johnson Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Re: thefts from Bob's Hobby Shop
I read the material on Bob's website.Yes, it sickens me, too.

But I do business in greenbacks and the old faithful, I won't leave home without it.

What I have run into is that some business don't like doing business with AX. Something about their fees. Yet, these same businesses don't want to discount their merchandise when yankee greenbacks are used instead of plastic money.Why is that? I would think that real yankee greenbacks are as good as it gets. No muss, no fuss. Just put them in the night depository at the bank.

I stopped using Visa and MC because of the "juice" (interest charges), they encourage you to string out your payments. That AX bill is due NOW, no "juice" (interest).

But, I geuss a new fraud is born each day.

bigfoot
Group: S-Trains Message: 45123 From: Henry Buehling Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Re: Rip off from over seas to a long standing hobby store.
WOW! I have known Bob for many years and he is a straight-up guy. This is really terrible - hope his congressman/senator can help him. Also hope the credit card company gets checked out by the Better Business Bureau/congress/etc.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45124 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: York Room
Any body need one at the Billy Bud this OCT???? I won't be using mine.... Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45125 From: Bill Drake Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Bob's experience
I think that having this type of information posted helps all of us
know that everything is not as it seems. Learning that the credit card
processing company did not honor an approval was information about as
big a rip off as the stolen cards themselves. Any of us that have been
in business or might be thinking about it would find this information
invaluable.

Regarding the discount for cash versus the credit card price. It is a
Federal law that was put in place by the credit card companies that
makes it illegal for a merchant to allow a discount for cash versus a
credit card purchase. Amex takes a bigger ding out of the merchant and
many smaller merchants won't take it because of that. It seems that a
lot of things conspire against the small businessman.

Too bad the government isn't more pro small business in terms of
providing some protections against fraud perpetrated through the mail
even if it is international. The post office certainly had no trouble
taking the money for shipping the items.

Bill
Group: S-Trains Message: 45126 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 10/1/2007
Subject: Re: Non- S Related Postings
It's nice to see that there are still people out there reading the posts,
whatever they are. My 2 cents, Mike
PS: To keep this really train related, I went back to work after 12 years
off.
What we did today was put pennies & other coins on the rail before the CORP
engine (#3809) spotting a couple of refeers down from us. I work @ NAUMES
(Google them) A Pear packing Co. The largest in the world



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45127 From: velapoldi Date: 10/2/2007
Subject: Re: Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains
Hi all:
Is this a soft cover book (it says paperback at Amazon.com)? Amazon.com
is offering it at $21.77 and if you order something else to make total
$25 or more, you get free shipping. Tx for info.
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

Bull_Gator_1 wrote:
>
> Here's some info from Jerry over on AvailableSGauge:
>
> Standard catalog of American Flyer Trains by David Doyle
> MSRP is $ 32.99 available at www.walmart.com for $ 20.00 UPC code
> 0978089689515, publisher is Krause Publications
> Fantastic Book - 400 8 1/2 x 11 " pages in living color
> Everything ever offered by AC Gilbert in S, Std, O and HO is presented
> with 1,000 full color photos, accurate current market value pricing.
>
> Jerry Matsick
> AvailableSGauge Founder
>
> This book must be hot off the presses because it shows an October 2007
> issue date. I got a copy from Amazon.com for a couple of bucks less
> than at Walmart.com thanks to lower shipping/handling plus no sales tax.
>
> BG1
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45128 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 10/2/2007
Subject: Non-related posts and the Bob's thing...
Well, as far as non-related posts...if you let the original posting
on, then it's only fair that you allow "follow ups" good or bad.
I don't know anything about Bob's Hobby Shop, he's probably a good
guy. I work part time at a hobby shop and the owners have been
friends of mine for more than 20 years. Most small businessmen have
learned to loath dealing with credit card companies, but are forced
to do it today in order to stay in business.
I went to the Bob's site and read the entire piece about what
happened. I can only comment that the credit card commpany which did
this to him should be prosecuted if at all possible. Small business
people depend on these outfits! Second, that the lazy/worthless
government officials who aren't willing to help an American
businessman should be fired/prosecuted as well, as we ALL trust them
to look out for us in various areas.
But, what about Bob? He was smart enough not to fall for sending
cell phones overseas in this time of terrorism, but sent R/C cars
(which he doesn't normally stock) overseas which are even in more
demand by terrorists. Yes, he screwed up and got suckered in, but he
probably should feel somewhat fortunate the Homeland Security people
aren't coming for him! (Of course if they're doing the same "fine"
job that the government agencies that won't help Bob are, he won't
have to worry.)
Now, I'm sorry if making this point offends someone, especially
one of our "moderators" who blocked a similar posting yesterday. But
they're now inspecting every remote controlled child's toy that goes
on an airplane, even on domestic flights, so we've all got to be
careful.
I feel this is just as valid a point as being screwed by a card
company.
Stumpy Stone...one of the "non-existant" modelers/builders on the
list...from my hidden hillside lair in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45129 From: Phil K Date: 10/2/2007
Subject: Re: Non-related posts and the Bob's thing...
>Well, as far as non-related posts...if you let the original
>posting on, then it's only fair that you allow "follow ups" good or
>bad.<

Each post -- original or follow-up -- is evaluated on its own merit.
The one from you I deleted started right out with your political
views of the war in Iraq and its costs and had nothing to do with CC
fraud or toy trains, Stumpy, did it? That relegates it to the "No
Politics, No Religion" dumpster right away. The others I deleted got
progressively worse. I don't appreciate being called "a Hitler".
(Members of our family in Poland died when the Nazis invaded. Through
an IP trace I know who sent me that one and will settle it personally
if I ever bump into the weasel at a train show.) What it boils down
to is none of us unpaid volunteer monitors deserves that kind of
crap. When the deleted posts showed me where this thing was heading,
I deleted the original post.

> Now, I'm sorry if making this point offends someone, especially
> one of our "moderators" who blocked a similar posting yesterday.
But they're now inspecting every remote controlled child's toy that
goes on an airplane, even on domestic flights, so we've all got to be
> careful. I feel this is just as valid a point as being screwed by a
card company.
> Stumpy Stone

Well, since you expressed your opinion, here's mine. CC fraud and RC
planes being inspected on domestic flights have NOTHING to do with S
Gauge trains so their being valid points is arguable. The only faintly weak association with the topic at hand in this group is that the CC fraud happened to a guy with a hobby shop that sells some trains. If he owned a bread store instead, would that make
CC fraud a valid topic on S Trains? I think not.

Evaluating posts here often requires judgment calls, Stumpy. I try to
do the best I can and don't stop to worry about the backlash. I
realize that it is impossible to please 1300+ members all the time.
If everyone honored the rules, we wouldn't even need moderators.
That's how this group originally began, and sadly out of necessity
it's gone to moderation just for the reasons above.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 45130 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 10/2/2007
Subject: Re: Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains
Rance,

I understand this is a soft cover 8 1/2" x 11" book. I should
receive mine in a couple of days.

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, velapoldi <velapoldi@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all:
> Is this a soft cover book (it says paperback at Amazon.com)?
Amazon.com
> is offering it at $21.77 and if you order something else to make
total
> $25 or more, you get free shipping. Tx for info.
> Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
>
> Bull_Gator_1 wrote:
> >
> > Here's some info from Jerry over on AvailableSGauge:
> >
> > Standard catalog of American Flyer Trains by David Doyle
> > MSRP is $ 32.99 available at www.walmart.com for $ 20.00 UPC code
> > 0978089689515, publisher is Krause Publications
> > Fantastic Book - 400 8 1/2 x 11 " pages in living color
> > Everything ever offered by AC Gilbert in S, Std, O and HO is
presented
> > with 1,000 full color photos, accurate current market value
pricing.
> >
> > Jerry Matsick
> > AvailableSGauge Founder
> >
> > This book must be hot off the presses because it shows an
October 2007
> > issue date. I got a copy from Amazon.com for a couple of bucks
less
> > than at Walmart.com thanks to lower shipping/handling plus no
sales tax.
> >
> > BG1
> >
> >
>
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45131 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 10/2/2007
Subject: Re: Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains
You can also get the book FREE if you open a credit Card account with
Amazon.com. They have a $30 first order offer with the card. Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 45132 From: Steve Date: 10/2/2007
Subject: "theft" from the hobby store
I hate to be the only one like this, but it just seems to me that greed
has taken over common sense. Two phrases come to mind,... "If it's too
good to be true, it probably is" and "The best deal may be the one you
walk away from." Sure it really stinks that the credit company would
approve a transaction only to renig on it later. But it doesn't strike
the owner as strange that some foriegner wants to buy several of your
most expensive non-stocked items that you have? And then as soon as
those are sold many many more are sold, also to overseas buyers??
Something should have thrown a red flag in their minds that this
doesn't usually happen. How many Nigerian lottery tickets has this guy
bought? I'm sure his the nicest guy in the business, but if you don't
have any street smarts when it comes to internet commerce, perhaps you
should stay away from it. Just my two cents... now how about some
train talk?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45133 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 10/2/2007
Subject: Re: "theft" from the hobby store
This type of ordering happens more than you think. My sons have a diecast
store on line. They get orders from others that buy & then sell . The reason
being that the item may not be avalible in their country. Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 45134 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/2/2007
Subject: You want train talk?
Hi,

Well, if it's train talk you want then I reference you back to my
photo page for an update:

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/bc2b

Again, go to the very last of the photos and back up to "Tim Brown's
Work In Progress". I made-over a home-made "Hooker" tanker car with
SHS trucks and Kadee couplers. Please forgive that the side rail
needs straightened (oops). I also need to replace those mock-up
decals with real ones. The real trick was to get the Kadees in
perfect alignment with the Katy boxcar Kadees and not destroy the
tanker chassis in the process. Anyway, the next step will be to take
another tanker and make a "transition" car out of it with an ACG
lobster claw on one end and Kadee on the other end. Then I'll see
how well they tow around the layout. I hope this all works out.
Stay tuned!

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45135 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: You want train talk?
Nice work, neat upgrade. Question One: Is the Kadee coupler now
body mounted or truck mounted? Question Two: Did you use S-Helper
trucks over American Models for a reason, or just working with what
you had on hand?
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia
Group: S-Trains Message: 45136 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Atlantics: Flyer vs. Atlas O
Down at the hobby shop, we got the first of our Atlas O gauge 4-4-2
Atlantics in yesterday. I pulled a Flyer 302 Atlantic out of the
junk box and put them side by side and end to end.
For those who wish to try to convert the Atlas O engine to S gauge,
there's good news on the size front! The Atlas engine is WAY
undersize for O scale! Its about 1/8" wider, and 1/2" longer, mostly
the cab roof. Sitting side by side, they are the same height. The
pilot truck looks just like the Flyer one, including wheel diameter,
and the trailing truck is a nice rendition of the correct one for a
later Atlantic and similar to the one found on the Flyer K-5 in some
ways. Even the driver diameter is very close.
The tender looks as if a regauging of the trucks would be all that
would be needed to have a nice, well detailed tender to go behind any
of the Flyer locos.
The boiler is well detailed and very nice, with only the cab being
a problem for S conversion. It is too long and the windows are too
big (picture a Casey Jones cab/boiler size ratio.) But I could live
with it.
Overall, it's a nice piece and the price is low. Something worth
considering if you want to make a nicely detailed Atlantic in S gauge.
Stumpy Stone...the Mad Butcher of Martins Ferry, OH.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45137 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: York Flyer Nut Meeting
The semi-annual York Flyer Nut (formerly the Gilbert
Get Together but re-named in honor of Bob Tufts)
Meeting will be held as usual on Thursday evening at
the Reliance Fire Hall, 1341 West Market Street, York,
beginning at 8:30 pm. Unfortunately, neither Clay
Buckage nor his Dad will be in attendance, so I have
been asked to be the host for the evening.

Bring your rare and questionnable Gilbert items for
all to see and to get the opinions of our many
American Flyer and Gilbert experts. Encourage all your
AF and Gilbert collector and operator friends to
attend.

Joe Haenn

Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613
404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338
Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer
Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers
American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line
joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored
Group: S-Trains Message: 45138 From: G C Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Re: Atlantics: Flyer vs. Atlas O
Stumpy, is this the engine that looks a bit like a PRR E6? What are they selling for? Also, do you think you can purchase the tender by it's self. This Inquiring mind wants to know!

Gene


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45139 From: Dave Highfield Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Train talk
Train talk on this site is actually very refreshing.

What kind of super-duty glue works best for repairs of (1) AF plastic
rolling stock and engines and (2) die cast metal AF engines? I like Gorilla
Glue for many projects but when the project is delicate, it tends to expand
and "foam out."

Thanks,
Dave in Maryland



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45140 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Re: Atlantics: Flyer vs. Atlas O
Stumpy.... can you post some Pics???? sounds intersting.... I have a 4-6-6-2 , a 4-4-4-2 and a 2-6-2 now..... used to love cutting AF engines and rebuilding... Try a simple Atlantic, with a pacific front.... I was going to make and oil tender fron an Atlantic tender.... I cut it up but I am glad The Bakers Choclete Tank car NEVER GOT CUT TO PUT IN THE TENDER... Now I am going to restore it.... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Stumpy Stone
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 7:33 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Atlantics: Flyer vs. Atlas O


Down at the hobby shop, we got the first of our Atlas O gauge 4-4-2
Atlantics in yesterday. I pulled a Flyer 302 Atlantic out of the
junk box and put them side by side and end to end.
For those who wish to try to convert the Atlas O engine to S gauge,
there's good news on the size front! The Atlas engine is WAY
undersize for O scale! Its about 1/8" wider, and 1/2" longer, mostly
the cab roof. Sitting side by side, they are the same height. The
pilot truck looks just like the Flyer one, including wheel diameter,
and the trailing truck is a nice rendition of the correct one for a
later Atlantic and similar to the one found on the Flyer K-5 in some
ways. Even the driver diameter is very close.
The tender looks as if a regauging of the trucks would be all that
would be needed to have a nice, well detailed tender to go behind any
of the Flyer locos.
The boiler is well detailed and very nice, with only the cab being
a problem for S conversion. It is too long and the windows are too
big (picture a Casey Jones cab/boiler size ratio.) But I could live
with it.
Overall, it's a nice piece and the price is low. Something worth
considering if you want to make a nicely detailed Atlantic in S gauge.
Stumpy Stone...the Mad Butcher of Martins Ferry, OH.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45141 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Re: Atlantics: Flyer vs. Atlas O
Sounds interesting, Stumpy. You say the price is "low". What is "low" ?
Jim E.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45142 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: More train talk
Hi Guys,

Here is a re-type of what I just read in this month's Harrisburg, PA
Chapter of the NRHS:

"There will be two days of trains, history and excitement when the
Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania and the National Toy Train Museum
host a new Model Railroading Days program on 10/13 and 14. This
first-time event offered by two world-class museums will feature
detailed operating train layouts in various scales from model
railroad clubs and historical groups and easy to advanced, hands-on
sessions and presentations for all ages, from the novice to the
veteran model railroader. In a separate event, a self-guided tour of
seven beautiful Lancaster County private home garden railways and
model train displays will take place on 10/14 from 1 pm to 5 pm,
sponsored by the same organizations." ... "Tickets for both events
are now on sale at either museum."

I hadn't seen any of this posted on this List or otherwise heard
anything about these activities (unless I missed it in the York TCA
mailout) so I thought I would pass this on. This and many other
reasons are why I joined the NRHS - The National Railway Historical
Society.

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45143 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: You want train talk?
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:

>Question One: Is the Kadee coupler now body mounted or truck
mounted?

They are now body (chassis) mounted, so I'm hopeful they will push
and pull better. I'll let the List know how this works out.

>Question Two: Did you use S-Helper trucks over American Models for
a reason, or just working with what you had on hand?

I used SHS trucks because I consider them to be the finest parts
available for the price in S gauge right now. I bought a test set of
AM 6-wheel heavy-duty pax trucks and found them to be junk, IMHO.
Reason, they are made of plastic and will warp easily. I have
subsequently heard that they sometimes stay warped. I also have a
test set of AM 4-wheel heavy & 4-wheel light pax trucks on order.
Don of SHS, if you are reading this, PLEASE come out with a line of
pax cars/trucks to your same gold standard for our use!!!!!!

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45144 From: Rick Evans Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Re: You want train talk?
***((( Question Two: Did you use S-Helper
trucks over American Models for a reason, or just working with what
you had on hand?))))****


I can't speak for Tim of course, but MY reason for using SHS trucks on my
942 and On30 rolling stock, is probably 'cuz I have some SHS billboard reefers,
and I like they way they roll and look. I only have ONE American Models piece,
a wood-sided caboose and I do love it!


Rick.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45145 From: A. E. Johnson Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Re: "theft" from the hobby store
That's a good point, Steve. Besides "buyer beware", how about "seller neware".

Bob's blog is right, though. In order to recoup his losses, he has to cut back around the fringes. He has to convert his slow moving items to cash almost immediately. He has to reduce his payroll. His margin has to be plowed back into cash. Long term, these actions taken to save his business in the short term can hurt his business.

But I would think that when the credit card company authorized charges to the cards, they woukd be liable. But businesses offshore do NOT have to abide by our laws and standards.

bigfoot


----- Original Message -----
From: Steve
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:54 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] "theft" from the hobby store


I hate to be the only one like this, but it just seems to me that greed
has taken over common sense. Two phrases come to mind,... "If it's too
good to be true, it probably is" and "The best deal may be the one you
walk away from." Sure it really stinks that the credit company would
approve a transaction only to renig on it later. But it doesn't strike
the owner as strange that some foriegner wants to buy several of your
most expensive non-stocked items that you have? And then as soon as
those are sold many many more are sold, also to overseas buyers??
Something should have thrown a red flag in their minds that this
doesn't usually happen. How many Nigerian lottery tickets has this guy
bought? I'm sure his the nicest guy in the business, but if you don't
have any street smarts when it comes to internet commerce, perhaps you
should stay away from it. Just my two cents... now how about some
train talk?





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45146 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Re: Atlantics: Flyer vs. Atlas O
See it on their website.
Based on Pennsy Prototype
$159.95
http://www.atlaso.com/IR/ir442steamloco.htm

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: G C
To: Stumpy Stone ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Atlantics: Flyer vs. Atlas O


Stumpy, is this the engine that looks a bit like a PRR E6? What are they selling for? Also, do you think you can purchase the tender by it's self. This Inquiring mind wants to know!

Gene

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45147 From: lember2004 Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: mutiple whistles at once
Hi, In operating original Gilbert AF, as I understand it, if two [or
more] whistle/horn equiped locomotives are on the same loop and the
whistle/horn generator button is pressed, then all the whistles/horns
make sounds simultaneously. Is this correct? If so, any "tricks" to
isolate one whistle/horn from the other(s)? Thanks! Mark
Group: S-Trains Message: 45148 From: Art Shifrin Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: tinkering, nuthin' else
Lately there's just no time but I did go to the METCA show a couple of
Sunday ago. But it was on ebay that I recently acquired a relatively
nice Marx LNE 3/16s hopper. It's so nice that some Marxists will get
upset because it'll shortly have AF O 3/16s trucks on it.
I dood this already to the NYC Pacemaker boxcar. These puppies blend in
almost superbly with the AF 3/16s tinplate. The assessment is "almost"
because they're more attractive & stand out amongst the mono-colored
painted freights. Other than the 1996 Anniversary boxcar, I've so far
successfully resisted the temptation to morph current, and AF S boxcars
into O. The tankers are easy:
just transplant the plastic (gulp!) tanks onto spare diecast metal bases
on which O trucks have been mounted. The easiest conversions are done
on the diecast 632s, of which I have three. I've one original O version
(the 510) which has more detailed lettering than its
S descendants.

At the show I acquired a second beautiful Lionel X2458 circa 1946 Pennsy
Auto car. I'm going to select which of my two is
'inferior' and put AF trucks on that too. Its purpose is to provide a
scale transition from the 1:58 K-Line Challenger that (big surprise)
has an AF diecast link on one of its tenders' rear II got a spare). I'm
looking for a NICE Lionel tinplate Baby Ruth car for the same treatment.
After that goes a long string of original and refinished prewar and
postwar diecast AF 3/16s cars. The train's essentially forced
perspective, and wow it is gratifying to see that two motored
mini-monster pulling up the outside loop's grade (5.5 inches in about 22
feet).

For several years I've been intending (well, aspiring) to outfit a
second worm 3 rail Northern with a super motor & traction tires to
compare such a pair's performance with the Challenger. I hope to
construe a drawbar that does NOT pull on the cow catcher ass'y. I think
that Doug Peck offers something, about whose details I need to know
before I possibly waste time re-inventing something that's already
extant.

This is as S as I can get, unless I ever have the energy, ambition &
time to install an elevated loop of S track over the 4 O lines on the
layout's 'sea level'. What I envision running up there is the circa
1950 Alco SF AB with the aluminum cars.

Shiffy



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45149 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Re: tinkering, nuthin' else
Hi Shiffy,

I looked for an album in the Photo section with your name on it but
couldn't find any. Would you please take some time to post a couple
pics of your work? I for one am very interested and I think you have
some nice ideas that I would like to see. Thanks!

Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45150 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Re: "theft" from the hobby store
Thhis ia very interesting but I missed the beginning what was ordered what was shipped?? Is a there a lesson to be learned?? Should international credit card purchases wait some length of time prior to shipping?? Tom










-----Original Message-----

From: A. E. Johnson

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wed, Oct 3 1:21 PM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "theft" from the hobby store













That's a good point, Steve. Besides "buyer beware", how about "seller neware".



Bob's blog is right, though. In order to recoup his losses, he has to cut back around the fringes. He has to convert his slow moving items to cash almost immediately. He has to reduce his payroll. His margin has to be plowed back into cash. Long term, these actions taken to save his business in the short term can hurt his business.



But I would think that when the credit card company authorized charges to the cards, they woukd be liable. But businesses offshore do NOT have to abide by our laws and standards.



bigfoot



----- Original Message -----

From: Steve

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:54 PM

Subject: [S-Trains] "theft" from the hobby store



I hate to be the only one like this, but it just seems to me that greed

has taken over common sense. Two phrases come to mind,... "If it's too

good to be true, it probably is" and "The best deal may be the one you

walk away from." Sure it really stinks that the credit company would

approve a transaction only to renig on it later. But it doesn't strike

the owner as strange that some foriegner wants to buy several of your

most expensive non-stocked items that you have? And then as soon as

those are sold many many more are sold, also to overseas buyers??

Something should have thrown a red flag in their minds that this

doesn't usually happen. How many Nigerian lottery tickets has this guy

bought? I'm sure his the nicest guy in the business, but if you don't

have any street smarts when it comes to internet commerce, perhaps you

should stay away from it. Just my two cents... now how about some

train talk?



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45151 From: Jeff Silvera Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: River City Toy Train Meet
It's that time of the year again! for those of you on the west coast
the Sacramento Valley Toy Train Operating Society (TTOS) is having our
annual River City Toy Train Meet this Saturday.

Saturday, October,6, 2007 10AM to 3PM
Scottish Rite Center, 6151 H Street, Sacramento,Ca 95819
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45152 From: Al Baker Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Tenders for Royal Blue 350 and 556
Is the body part of a 556 tender basically the same as a 350? I
realize the trucks and electrical are different.

What I am looking for is a body for a tender which is similar to
350/353/354/356 tender, but about a half inch longer. It does not have
to be exactlt the same in appearance, but fairly similar (for a
streamlined loco). Of course this is for a custom project.

How about Pre-war AF or Marx ?

Thanks in advance for your help!

Al Baker
Portland
Group: S-Trains Message: 45153 From: hjsheff Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Pre war AF
Hi Gang

I have posted 4 pictures of Pre war AF that I have to establish a value on before offering to
purchase them for myself or for resale. As I live over 200 miles from the nearest place that
may have books on them, I would very much appreciate any help on what the value would be
on the trains. They are in my opinion vg to e except for the box car which is just good or
better.
The pictures are in my S-Trains album under Howard' S Trains.

Thank you for your help.

Howard Sheffield
Howard' S Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 45154 From: Tom Hawley Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Train Show near Cleveland
I will be at the train show at the county fair grounds, Berea Ohio, this Saturday and Sunday, selling new S Gauge trains, no AF but all AF-compatible -- American Models, SHS, &c.

Tom Hawley
Michigan Models

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45155 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/3/2007
Subject: Re: mutiple whistles at once
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, In operating original Gilbert AF, as I understand it, if two [or
> more] whistle/horn equiped locomotives are on the same loop and the
> whistle/horn generator button is pressed, then all the
whistles/horns
> make sounds simultaneously. Is this correct? If so, any "tricks" to
> isolate one whistle/horn from the other(s)? Thanks! Mark
>

Is there anyone on this List who could CHIME in on this one? Sorry. I
couldn't resist that.

I have two thoughts; 1) The big hand in the sky could just lift the one
loco up so it doesn't whistle (nah!) or 2) switch one loco off to an
electrically isolated section, then blast away on the other one. ACG
switches are useful for that. Okay here's a third thought. Just wire
the generator up to one block or blocks of your choosing and make sure
only one loco occupies one block at a time. Use strategery to place
the block where a whistle would logically be blown anyway - such as at
a grade crossing, entrance to a bridge/trestle or near a hospital. Why
would you want to blow a whistle in the middle of a cornfield anyway -
to scare the crap out of cows? That would be too easy.

Hey, you electrical engineers on the List: is there a way to "code" the
signal from a generator so that only a given loco has the "key"?
Oops. Sounds like the beginning of DCC.

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45156 From: Art Shifrin Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: photo album entires
Hi Tim,



Thanks for your interest in my 'miniaturized ferroequinological
improvisations'. Due to priorities of time, I'm guilty of having not
having explored other functions of this group.

I wasn't aware of the photo album & must look at it.



My website is www.shifrin.net <http://www.shifrin.net/> . On the home
page, click anywhere on the AF 1941

Accessories montage. That'll take you to the main trains page. "Gems
From Junk" contains photos of some of my work. Other sections include
an historical essay, shots of my layout, etc.



Moderator: is it possible to post an HTML in the album so that
interested viewers can jump directly to "Gems From Junk"? If so, then
use



http://www.shifrin.net/trains/gems_from_junk/gems_from%20_junk.htm



the "contact shiffy" link at the bottom of "Gems..." is not working.



It's directly accessed at



http://www.shifrin.net/trains/contact_from_trains/CONTACT_SHIFFY_TRAINS.
htm



Best,

Shiffy





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45157 From: Bill Drake Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: Re: mutiple whistles at once
Answers below are correct. The Gilbert tender whistles
and diesel air chimes are activated by the tube type
generator in later models and by a vacuum tube
generator in the models ending in 4 (like 324 AC).
(the exception is the 314 AW)

The generator is providing the "sound" of the whistle
through electrical waves sent through the tracks.
(Think of the tracks as the speaker wires from the
generator to the tender or air chime whistle) As long
as the whistle tender, B unit or air chime equipped
loco is in contact with the rails, the sound will come
out of the speaker. Isolate the unit from the track
section with the generator connected and the "speaker
wires" will be disconnected, stopping the sound.
Gilbert did not include a method to independently
activate separate locomotives. Designing a system to
do that is not difficult, estimated cost per
locomotive and controller is in the $25 to $50 range
for the parts. Installation would require opening the
tender or diesel and installing a small circuit board
equipped with a decoder/controller between the pickups
and the speaker/resistor. The controller could
probably be fit into a spare Gilbert button. This
would require pushing the controller and the generator
buttons at the same time. (starting to be a non
elegant solution)

Since the Gilbert generators disrupt tv and radio
receivers in the vicinity and would no longer meet
government regulations for emitted electronic noise, a
better solution would be to enhance the controller
above to include the sound generator circuit in the
receiver so that the rails wouldn't be the "speaker
wires". Cost would probably go up for the system to
the $50 to $75 range and the Gilbert generator would
be relegated to the collector shelf. The tender or
diesel would still have to be opened and a circuit
board installed between the pickups and the
speaker/resistor assembly.

With 35 years of industrial control system electronics
experience doing these types of circuits.
ee_train stands for electronic engineer - train person
- on the other side of the Appalachians in central
Virginia.

Bill Drake


--- Tim Brown <Timboy@...> wrote:

> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004"
> <lember2004@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, In operating original Gilbert AF, as I
> understand it, if two [or
> > more] whistle/horn equiped locomotives are on the
> same loop and the
> > whistle/horn generator button is pressed, then all
> the
> whistles/horns
> > make sounds simultaneously. Is this correct? If
> so, any "tricks" to
> > isolate one whistle/horn from the other(s)?
> Thanks! Mark
> >
>
> Is there anyone on this List who could CHIME in on
> this one? Sorry. I
> couldn't resist that.
>
> I have two thoughts; 1) The big hand in the sky
> could just lift the one
> loco up so it doesn't whistle (nah!) or 2) switch
> one loco off to an
> electrically isolated section, then blast away on
> the other one. ACG
> switches are useful for that. Okay here's a third
> thought. Just wire
> the generator up to one block or blocks of your
> choosing and make sure
> only one loco occupies one block at a time. Use
> strategery to place
> the block where a whistle would logically be blown
> anyway - such as at
> a grade crossing, entrance to a bridge/trestle or
> near a hospital. Why
> would you want to blow a whistle in the middle of a
> cornfield anyway -
> to scare the crap out of cows? That would be too
> easy.
>
> Hey, you electrical engineers on the List: is there
> a way to "code" the
> signal from a generator so that only a given loco
> has the "key"?
> Oops. Sounds like the beginning of DCC.
>
> Regards,
> Tim Brown
>
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45159 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: Re: TOOL TO CUT VERY NARROW GAPS
X-ACTO makes some rail cutting saws of various thickness. I have one that is
about .0010 thick, #239. It works well but is one handpower operated. #236 is
about the same thickness but has courser teeth. I use them both depending on
what track I'm cutting.

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SnS Trains
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45160 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: Re: photo album entires
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Art Shifrin" <Goldens3@...> wrote:
>
> My website is www.shifrin.net <http://www.shifrin.net/>

Hi,

Wow! Where have you been hiding? I think you have done some notable
rehab work. I'm not personally involved with 3-rail O gauge Flyer, but
I can respect what you have accomplished. I always figured excellent
quality repainting could be done straight out of an aerosol can, but
never really tried it much. I also see I have to upgrade all my
decals, so I'll take a look at Microscale and Champs.

Thanks for sharing and thanks for the inspiration! I have your page
bookmarked and will re-visit from time to time. Please keep sharing
your ideas and accomplishments with this List.

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45161 From: Rhett George Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: Reproportioned trains
- GreetingS -

Thanks, Shiffy, for the description of your 3/16" per ft railroad
running on O-gauge track. For several years I have read of comments
on the 1/58 scale articulated. Your enlightenment on running it
with the prewar AF is most appreciated. One soon day I shall see
how well my various pieces of O-gauge AF operate.

This reminds me of an article in Model Railroader so many years ago
about Francis Lee Jacques 1/4" proportioned but idealized equipment
(articulateds, hopper cars). It ran on S-gauge AF trucks and with
AF loco mechanisms for a massive look.

Keep up the good work. Please tell us where to find the photos.

CheerS,

Rhett
Group: S-Trains Message: 45162 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: Bakers Chocolate
Finally a re-call on product that does not involve lead paint on toys from China.

Some Bakers Chocolate product was listed in the Washington Post today being recalled. It did not say why.

To keep this train related, none of this product was delivered in AF Baker's Chocolate Tank cars.

Mike Marmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 45163 From: Rhett George Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: Tenders for streamliners
- GreetingS -

Al posed an interesting question regarding the lengths of tenders used
on prewar 1/4" and postwar 3/16" 350 style locos. Hope I remember to
measure when I get home. Given the cost of a stamping die, I think they
will be the same length. With minimal die reworking, auto manufacturers
could get three or more model years out of one rear fender die for the
right side and one for the left.

If the rear of the tender body is flat, it becomes a fine place to glue
a soft wood block which can be sanded, shaped, primed, filled to match
the cross section of the water end of the original tender. If the end
is embossed, one may be able to remove the end without bending the tender
shell, shape the wooden plug to be glued inside while extending 1/4",
and glue the original end piece to the new end.

The plug can have rivet detail applied by embossing paper, aluminum foil,
or thin brass foil with the desired pattern. Several means of embossing
including the time-honored and largley retired clock gear (sheet-metal
gear) with correct pitch which can be rolled across the material.

CheerS,

Rhett
Group: S-Trains Message: 45164 From: Al Baker Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: Re: Tenders for streamliners
Thanks Rhett (and others) for your reply and ideas.

So does anyone actually know, is the prewar 556 the same length and
width as the postwar 350/353/354/356 ?

Thanks,
Al



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rhett George <rtg@...> wrote:
>
> - GreetingS -
>
> Al posed an interesting question regarding the lengths of tenders
used
> on prewar 1/4" and postwar 3/16" 350 style locos. Hope I remember
to
> measure when I get home. Given the cost of a stamping die, I think
they
> will be the same length. With minimal die reworking, auto
manufacturers
> could get three or more model years out of one rear fender die for
the
> right side and one for the left.
>
> If the rear of the tender body is flat, it becomes a fine place to
glue
> a soft wood block which can be sanded, shaped, primed, filled to
match
> the cross section of the water end of the original tender. If the
end
> is embossed, one may be able to remove the end without bending the
tender
> shell, shape the wooden plug to be glued inside while extending
1/4",
> and glue the original end piece to the new end.
>
> The plug can have rivet detail applied by embossing paper, aluminum
foil,
> or thin brass foil with the desired pattern. Several means of
embossing
> including the time-honored and largley retired clock gear (sheet-
metal
> gear) with correct pitch which can be rolled across the material.
>
> CheerS,
>
> Rhett
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45165 From: Alan Evans Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: Re: Tenders for Royal Blue 350 and 556
Al:

I used a Lionel steam tender shell. It had to be narrowed about
5/16 or 3/8" to S width. Run a razor saw up along edge of tender front,
around all sides of coal load (later trim down coal load to fit into S size)
and along side edge of both top and end of tender.

I made a plastic chassis (.080 plastic) floor and then 4-40
screws thru the truck and into floor, double nut (with a solder lug in
between) and attach wires.

I used AF Hudson trucks and interestingly, the top curve of the
Lionel tender matches the height of the 350.

Paint the tender B & O blue, add gold lettering (B & O of course!) and
you're almost there.

I body mounted a Kadee O SCALE coupler - which couples to the AF knuckle (a
little-known fact!) Or the rear Hudson talgo coupler can be used.

I mounted a Circuitron 12V bulb for the 350 headlight and converted the
engine to a DC can motor. Really runs quiet and SLOW.

The Lionel tender I used measures 37-1/2 feet S scale.



- Alan Evans

- The Ohio Evans







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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Al Baker
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 7:59 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Tenders for Royal Blue 350 and 556












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Group: S-Trains Message: 45166 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: PRR & READING S GA BOXCARS--update
Response has been such that NOW, TCA members can call TCA National at
717-687-8623, ask for Desirea and order your cars using the "MAGIC" of plastic.
Same pricing, TCA will also ship for you if you wish to pay for shipping.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45167 From: faltrain5 Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: The 961 car??????
Hey guys I have got a question about the 961 car. I bought one off ebay
thinking it would complete the set of 960, 962, and 963 with no color
bands. But once I got it, it was Chrome, and not a off set silver. I
have also witnessed that when that passenger set is sold, it is usually
with only the three. So did I make a mistake? Is it actually not apart
of the set, or did I just get the wrong car? e-mail me back.

-Geoff
Group: S-Trains Message: 45168 From: Paul4Schil@aol.com Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: Re: PRR & READING S GA BOXCARS--update
Any provision for non-TCA members to order by phone and charge?



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45169 From: Tom Hawley Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: Train Show at County Fair Grounds, Berea (Cleveland) Ohio
I've just learned that the Cuyahoga Valley S Gaugers will have not one, or two, but three S Gauge layouts at this train show. Something for everyone.

All the more reason to come to the Cuyahoga County Fair Grounds in Berea, SW of Cleveland, either Saturday ( 10 AM to 5 PM ) or Sunday ( 11 AM to 4 PM ) this weekend.

(Pardon duplication if you're on more than one list.)

Tom Hawley





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45170 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/4/2007
Subject: Re: "theft" from the hobby store
Seems I have forgottten the name of the CC provider, other than I think they
have recently approached me.

Jim Lyle



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45171 From: jnr59@aol.com Date: 10/4/2007
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DOWLAND, JOHN CHESTERFIELD IL
ERICKSON, KEITH B BLOOMINGTON IL
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HARDY, J C SPRINGFIELD IL
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HENDERSON, TOM OURAY CO
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HUTTON, BILL BASEHOR KS
JAMES, EDDIE D OWENSBORO KY
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KASTAS, RICHARD J AND JOYCE M EDDYVILLE KY
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45172 From: schwartzsj@juno.com Date: 10/5/2007
Subject: Re: The 961 car??????
Geoff:
Actually, the 961 chrome was available as a separate sale item. I know, because I wanted one, and was lucky to have bought one at a place that had old AF stock more years ago than I care to admit (for 10 bucks)! Those chrome plated cars were for "cheapie" sets back in the day. Think about it--that's quite a fancy-looking set for a fairly cheap promotional price. The downside part was that a single truck powered Comet PA couldn't pull more than ot those 3 cars! Of course, the Rocket and Silver Flash could, and that's where you'd find 961's other than separate sale. Of course, AF gave up on the chrome plating idea and started painting cars, which made them a little more attractive, but also increased the number of items to be stocked!

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45173 From: Robert Graves Date: 10/5/2007
Subject: Re: The 961 car??????
I take it you're talking about the satin finish cars. Yes, they sold a satin 961 but it wasn't included in any sets; it was sold only separately. The Gilbert Gallery has pictures:

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/satin_streamliners.html



faltrain5 <faltrain5@...> wrote:
Hey guys I have got a question about the 961 car. I bought one off ebay
thinking it would complete the set of 960, 962, and 963 with no color
bands. But once I got it, it was Chrome, and not a off set silver. I
have also witnessed that when that passenger set is sold, it is usually
with only the three. So did I make a mistake? Is it actually not apart
of the set, or did I just get the wrong car? e-mail me back.

-Geoff






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45174 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 10/5/2007
Subject: Re: The 961 car??????
Actually I think the myth that the Knuckle Engines came with only 3 cars really dates back to the 1950 Sante Fe set.... The EXTRUDED cars were so heavy that they would just barely pull 3 cars.... 660, 662, 663... The 661 was sold as an add on.... When they switched to Plastic the 4 cars could be pulled.... But habit kept the 661 / 961 of of the line over the years... some freight sets with steam had all 4 cars.... Deisel too in later years
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Graves
To: faltrain5 ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The 961 car??????


I take it you're talking about the satin finish cars. Yes, they sold a satin 961 but it wasn't included in any sets; it was sold only separately. The Gilbert Gallery has pictures:

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/satin_streamliners.html



faltrain5 <faltrain5@...> wrote:
Hey guys I have got a question about the 961 car. I bought one off ebay
thinking it would complete the set of 960, 962, and 963 with no color
bands. But once I got it, it was Chrome, and not a off set silver. I
have also witnessed that when that passenger set is sold, it is usually
with only the three. So did I make a mistake? Is it actually not apart
of the set, or did I just get the wrong car? e-mail me back.

-Geoff

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45175 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/5/2007
Subject: CTT
I do not receive in the mail anymore CTT, for several years, since I am a collector of vintage AF and their seems to be very little in the magazine on S.

I do understand that the collectable market for trains is mainly O gauge, so I do not fault CTT, as also, for me, there are a ton of ads, that do not apply to me.

However, Bill Zide, recommended, the November issue, as he said there was a article on a S layout and how they placed accessories on the layout. Plus, with me about to build a layout, there where some wiring and layout tips.

However, I notice that the price of CTT is still more for those in Canada, by a dollar. I would think that CTT will have to make the price equal now, since the American dollar and the Canadian dollar (Loonie) are now equal. Soon, CTT will have to charge more for the magazine in America, if this trend continues!

Mike Marmer, moving to Canada so I can get CTT cheaper. Just kidding.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45176 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 10/5/2007
Subject: Re: CTT
Mike I have noticed that the US Dollar is almost equal with the Canadian... There used to be about a 25% difference in the dollars.... Thier 1.00 coin is called the LOONIE..... Thier 2.00 coin.... THE TOONIE.... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 2:39 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] CTT


I do not receive in the mail anymore CTT, for several years, since I am a collector of vintage AF and their seems to be very little in the magazine on S.................................



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45177 From: Rick Evans Date: 10/5/2007
Subject: Doug Peck gets a mention in CTT
Doug and Port Lines Hobby Supplies got a small mention in
the new CTT, in an article on a American Flyer layout.
I thought that was kinda cool.


Rick.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45178 From: G C Date: 10/5/2007
Subject: Re: Tenders for Royal Blue 350 and 556
Alan,
just out of curiosity, which L tender did you bash?

gene cimino


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45179 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 10/5/2007
Subject: AF Musical boxcar
Speaking of bashing.... Has anyone taken the components from the Lionel
Christmas Musical Boxcar and put it in the AF version? Was wondering
if the battery and player would fit(?). Or does someone know of a
supplier of a 9 volt music box that plays Christmas carols I could put
in my AF Christmas boxcar? I found the little "button" music players
at Hobby Lobby but they only play one song, you have to push a button
to activate them, and the battery is not replaceable. Other ideas?
Jim E.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45180 From: Paul4Schil@aol.com Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: Doug Peck gets a mention in CTT
Congratulations, Doug!




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45181 From: velapoldi Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: OO scale
Hi all:
Is OO basically S gauge? I'm sure this has been answered but searching
might be a morass for me! :-) . I have a friend in England who has
Hornby OO stored away in the attic.
tx for info
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
Group: S-Trains Message: 45182 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Fifteen Cars & Counting
Hi All,

I'm continuing my conversion of old ACG freight cars. I now have my
non-pulmor Hudson pulling 15 made-over freight cars up my steepest
(3%) grade with no wheel slippage yet. The re-trucked/re-couplered
freight cars now look more like model RR cars than toy train cars,
they track superbly, they love my hand-laid track & home-made
switches and they haven't de-coupled once yet. Time will tell, but I
see no down-side to this project so far. It also doesn't seem to
matter where I put cars within the consist. IOW, I can have a random
mix of empty gondoli with boxcars or tankers. When I made up trains
with the old ACG trucks and knuckle couplers, it very much mattered
where I placed cars. Not anymore. The result is a more prototypical-
looking freight train. I'll be very interested to see if it matters
where I place the heavy metal flatcars with loads, crane cars, etc
once they are converted. An added visual appeal is the caterpillar
effect the cars exhibit when tracking. Pretty neat.

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45183 From: velapoldi Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: OO
Hi all:
Thanks to all who answered my question about OO gauge so quickly! Wow,
the rapid turnaround burned the ether!!!
regards,
Rance Velapoldi
Group: S-Trains Message: 45184 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: CTT
wonder which will go up fastest..... my Gold or My money I brought back from
my last few trips up to Canada..... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward G." <am-flyr@...>
To: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: CTT


Your behind the times Bob ...LOL...As of tonight ..Ours is worth 2
cents more than yours at closing today ...More spendable cash for
York ...LOL..



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...>
wrote:
>
> Mike I have noticed that the US Dollar is almost equal with the
Canadian... There used to be about a 25% difference in the
dollars.... Thier 1.00 coin is called the LOONIE..... Thier 2.00
coin.... THE TOONIE.... Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael and Linda Marmer
> To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 2:39 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] CTT
>
>
> I do not receive in the mail anymore CTT, for several years,
since I am a collector of vintage AF and their seems to be very
little in the magazine on S.................................
>
>
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45185 From: Phil K Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Send the answers to the board, please!
As you will note just above, Rance asked a question about OO gauge and
the next reference to the question was him saying thanks for the prompt
answer. Which never appeared on this board for the rest of us to see,
not the intent of this forum. Other times we find on the board totally
irrevelant comments being made to a conversation taking place off the
board.

Folks, we need to remind each other of this situation once in awhile.
Consider it done.

BTW -- European OO gauge is similar to what we call HO over here.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 45186 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: OO scale
No Rance. OO uses ho gauge track at 16.5mm width and a scale of 1/76
as opposed to S scale at 1/64 and a gauge of 22.45-22.6mm (Gilbert
22.45 - rest of the world 22.5). Dont get confused by information that
assumes only Lionel ever built OO as their pre war,short lived,
commercially unsuccessful and very uncommon OO used 19mm track.
Alistair
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, velapoldi <velapoldi@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all:
> Is OO basically S gauge? I'm sure this has been answered but
searching
> might be a morass for me! :-) . I have a friend in England who has
> Hornby OO stored away in the attic.
> tx for info
> Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45187 From: Bill Drake Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: New collection items need information
Just received these two items (see photo album "Bill's American
Flyer". One is a lamp with a Franklin mounted to the base and a brass
Gilbert label on the base. The Franklin has no mechanism and the
tender has a dummy knuckle coupler. The labels are missing from the
tender and the cab labels have some damage. My questions are - what
shade belongs with this? Was it a Gilbert 1959 promo for the
introduction of the Franklin? Is there something to look for to
authenticate it as a Gilbert factory item?

Number two is a Japanese tin copy of the Franklin. It is HO gauge.
Are there old timer cars to go with this? What else might have come
with this in a set?

The third item received this week is a tin friction toy Santa Fe A-A
locomotive marked "Built by Gilbert" in Blue and Yellow colors. I
have a coupler of these in Red/Silver, but this is the first
alternate color scheme I have acquired. Are there more variations?

Always poking around the edges of S gauge

Bill Drake
Central Virginia, USA
Group: S-Trains Message: 45188 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} OO scale
(The version below corrects the chard format – sorry!)

Chuck Smith

http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

cesmith@...



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From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Charles E. Smith
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 1:49 PM
To: 'velapoldi'; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; 'S-Trains'
Subject: RE: {S-Scale List} OO scale



OO is 4mm to the foot. 4mm.= approx .156” to a foot or 1/76 of full size

S is 3/16” to a foot., or 1/64th of full size. See chart below. There are
some other scales used because, for example, O gauge comes out to be 5’
track gauge using the figures below. This is corrected by some who use
17/64” per foot and 1 ¼” track gauge or .250”/foot and 1 3/16 track gauge.
Also, HO is sometimes called 1/87 scale and sometimes 3.5mm to the foot.

For this chart I used the value 1mm. = 0.0394”.

Gauge inch/foot Scale

HO 0.1379 87.01958

OO 0.1576 76.14213

S 0.1875 64

O 0.25 48

Chuck Smith

http://www.trainweb <http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/> .org/chucksmith/

cesmith@netacc. <mailto:cesmith%40netacc.net> net

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From: S-Scale@yahoogroups <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of
velapoldi
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 11:41 AM
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com> .com; S-Trains
Subject: {S-Scale List} OO scale

Hi all:
Is OO basically S gauge? I'm sure this has been answered but searching
might be a morass for me! :-) . I have a friend in England who has
Hornby OO stored away in the attic.
tx for info
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45189 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: Send the answers to the board, please!
Phil the reason this happens is that this is the only Yahoo board I
know of where the default is set to the person actually wanting the
reply instead of the Board. Could you please re-set it to default to
the Board. Thanks Alistair
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote:
>
> As you will note just above, Rance asked a question about OO gauge
and
> the next reference to the question was him saying thanks for the
prompt
> answer. Which never appeared on this board for the rest of us to
see,
> not the intent of this forum. Other times we find on the board
totally
> irrevelant comments being made to a conversation taking place off
the
> board.
>
> Folks, we need to remind each other of this situation once in
awhile.
> Consider it done.
>
> BTW -- European OO gauge is similar to what we call HO over here.
>
> Phil K
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45190 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} OO scale
OO is 4mm to the foot. 4mm.= approx .156” to a foot or 1/76 of full size

S is 3/16” to a foot., or 1/64th of full size. See chart below. There are
some other scales used because, for example, O gauge comes out to be 5’
track gauge using the figures below. This is corrected by some who use
17/64” per foot and 1 ¼” track gauge or .250”/foot and 1 3/16 track gauge.
Also, HO is sometimes called 1/87 scale and sometimes 3.5mm to the foot.



For this chart I used the value 1mm. = 0.0394”.


Gauge

inch/foot

Scale


HO

0.1379

87.01958


OO

0.1576

76.14213


S

0.1875

64


O

0.25

48



Chuck Smith

http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

cesmith@...



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From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
velapoldi
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 11:41 AM
To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains
Subject: {S-Scale List} OO scale



Hi all:
Is OO basically S gauge? I'm sure this has been answered but searching
might be a morass for me! :-) . I have a friend in England who has
Hornby OO stored away in the attic.
tx for info
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45191 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: Fifteen Cars & Counting
Tim:

you da man!!!! Be sure and make up a big batch of the required
spacers, then you can send them to me!!!!

cap'n video


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm continuing my conversion of old ACG freight cars. I now have
my
> non-pulmor Hudson pulling 15 made-over freight cars up my steepest
> (3%) grade with no wheel slippage yet. The re-trucked/re-couplered
> freight cars now look more like model RR cars than toy train cars,
> they track superbly, they love my hand-laid track & home-made
> switches and they haven't de-coupled once yet. Time will tell, but
I
> see no down-side to this project so far. It also doesn't seem to
> matter where I put cars within the consist. IOW, I can have a
random
> mix of empty gondoli with boxcars or tankers. When I made up
trains
> with the old ACG trucks and knuckle couplers, it very much mattered
> where I placed cars. Not anymore. The result is a more
prototypical-
> looking freight train. I'll be very interested to see if it
matters
> where I place the heavy metal flatcars with loads, crane cars, etc
> once they are converted. An added visual appeal is the caterpillar
> effect the cars exhibit when tracking. Pretty neat.
>
> Regards,
> Tim Brown
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45192 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: Send the answers to the board, please!
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alistair McAllister" <alizoo@...>
wrote:
>
> Phil the reason this happens is that this is the only Yahoo board I
> know of where the default is set to the person actually wanting the
> reply instead of the Board. Could you please re-set it to default to
> the Board. Thanks Alistair

Guys,

The other side of the coin is that if the default is re-set to the
List, then I fear we will see a lot of chuckle-head and flame posts not
meant for public viewing.

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45193 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: Send the answers to the board, please!
Please leave it the way it is. One can reply to the group simply by hitting
"REPLY ALL" instead of "REPLY".

- Earl Henry, Nashville
=========================================================

In a message dated 10/6/2007 1:40:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
alizoo@... writes:

Phil the reason this happens is that this is the only Yahoo board I
know of where the default is set to the person actually wanting the
reply instead of the Board. Could you please re-set it to default to
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45194 From: Rick Evans Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: Send the answers to the board, please!
***((((Phil the reason this happens is that this is the only Yahoo board I
know of where the default is set to the person actually wanting the
reply instead of the Board. Could you please re-set it to default to
the Board. Thanks Alistair)))))*****


True, but with Outlook Express I click *Reply All*, then it goes to both.
Sometimes I will delete ths sender's address.


Rick.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45195 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Converting to Kadee couplers, etc.
Sam and I converted almost all of our rolling stock (collector pieces
excepted) to Kadee #5 couplers and SHS truckin 2000. #5's are more prototypical in
size for "S" gauge than the others. (they are actually too large for HO) We do
not have any uncoupling problems, but your trackage must be smooth without much
up/down action. You can easily pull 40 cars around a well tracked layout with
these couplers and SHS trucks.


Steve
SnS Trains
Boise



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45196 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: Converting to Kadee couplers, etc.
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote:
>
> Sam and I converted almost all of our rolling stock (collector pieces
> excepted) to Kadee #5 couplers and SHS truckin 2000. #5's are more
prototypical in
> size for "S" gauge than the others. (they are actually too large for
HO)

Hi Boss,

Question: To your knowledge, will the Kadee #5 couple with the Kadee
#802 if there is a mix of the two in use on the same model RR?

Thanks,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45197 From: velapoldi Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: Send the answers to the board, please!
Hi all:
Sorry for being the cause of this problem. However, I think one answer
might be that the S-scale group got the question first, and I received
something like 4-5 answers within about 10 minutes of writing the
question. I then thanked both the S-Scale and S-trains groups for the
answers, and noted that I got the thank you from myself on the s-scale
group before the question even got to the S-trains group. Anyhow, I
have about 20 answers from all over the place. Next time I will send
the question to only one group so that there isn't this type of
problem. Of course, there could be a difference in how the boards are
set up which may have contributed to the problem. Anyhow, my apologies
for fomenting chaos (even though the universe is expanding).
regards, and thanks to all who answered -
Rance Velapoldi

Tim Brown wrote:
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Alistair McAllister" <alizoo@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Phil the reason this happens is that this is the only Yahoo board I
> > know of where the default is set to the person actually wanting the
> > reply instead of the Board. Could you please re-set it to default to
> > the Board. Thanks Alistair
>
> Guys,
>
> The other side of the coin is that if the default is re-set to the
> List, then I fear we will see a lot of chuckle-head and flame posts not
> meant for public viewing.
>
> Regards,
> Tim Brown
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45198 From: bob barbara Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: New collection items need information
Bill, It might be a shame(May be Modified) but AC Gilbert put out a
Franklin Dealer Promo Display just like that, except the 2 that I
have seen did Not have a lamp on them. Only the Franklin, track and
brass label mounted on a wood base.
If they did, the one you have has been updated with white not grey
or brown lamp cord and the light socket is newer vintage within the
last 20 years. The original 1950s light sockets were made different.
I just saw pictures of another one C-7 condition that was auctioned
off on Stouts Auctions a few weeks ago for $750.

http://64.186.55.212/0907/FMPro?-db=auction%20database%200907&-
format=inspect.htm&-lay=data%20web&-op=cn&Description=franklin&-
max=20&-recid=12621464&-find=

Either way it is a nice find!!

Hope that helps,
Bob



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Drake" <ee_train@...> wrote:
>
> Just received these two items (see photo album "Bill's American
> Flyer". One is a lamp with a Franklin mounted to the base and a
brass
> Gilbert label on the base. The Franklin has no mechanism and the
> tender has a dummy knuckle coupler. The labels are missing from
the
> tender and the cab labels have some damage. My questions are -
what
> shade belongs with this? Was it a Gilbert 1959 promo for the
> introduction of the Franklin? Is there something to look for to
> authenticate it as a Gilbert factory item?
>
> Number two is a Japanese tin copy of the Franklin. It is HO gauge.
> Are there old timer cars to go with this? What else might have
come
> with this in a set?
>
> The third item received this week is a tin friction toy Santa Fe A-
A
> locomotive marked "Built by Gilbert" in Blue and Yellow colors. I
> have a coupler of these in Red/Silver, but this is the first
> alternate color scheme I have acquired. Are there more variations?
>
> Always poking around the edges of S gauge
>
> Bill Drake
> Central Virginia, USA
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45199 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Layouts at S Fest ? Any S-MOD ?
I am interested in knowing if there will be any S-MOD layouts set up at the S
Fest in St. Louis?

- Earl Henry, Nashville



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45200 From: bob barbara Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: The 961 car??????
Geoff, If your asking about the "Silver Satin" 961, they were a
separate purchase only for $7.95 back then.
The "Chrome" 961 was included in only a few sets.. Set #K5351
pacemaker with a Steam 326, Set #K5366 Chrome Silver Flash 477/8, and
Set #5375 Chief 471/3.
There were no "color band striped" 961s included in sets until 1955,
and then there were several sets that had them.
Either way any Nice 961s are hard to come by without paying $$$ for
them.

I wish I had a "Blue" color band 961 for my Satin Silver Comet but as
far as I know none were ever made. Just like a 467 Comet B unit where
only a handful were "given" to AC Gilberts best dealers at the train
show.

Hope that helps,
Bob

PS, To the other poster here a 466 Comet can pull more than just 3
cars, and I have a Chrome Siver Flash/Silver Rocket that are both
pulling 15' of Chrome train.








--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "faltrain5" <faltrain5@...> wrote:
>
> Hey guys I have got a question about the 961 car. I bought one off
ebay
> thinking it would complete the set of 960, 962, and 963 with no
color
> bands. But once I got it, it was Chrome, and not a off set silver. I
> have also witnessed that when that passenger set is sold, it is
usually
> with only the three. So did I make a mistake? Is it actually not
apart
> of the set, or did I just get the wrong car? e-mail me back.
>
> -Geoff
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45201 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: Send the answers to the board, please!
In a message dated 10/6/2007 2:50:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
bassflyer@... writes:

True, but with Outlook Express I click *Reply All*, then it goes to both.
Sometimes I will delete ths sender's address.

Rick.
========================
And it works the same way simply hitting "Reply All" without Outlook Express.
So simple. Most of my groups work this way and I get really disgusted when I
am one of the other groups and accidentally send personal replies to the
whole group.

We have had this discussion before. Lets leave it the same.

- Earl Henry, Music City




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45202 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: More on the Atlas O/Industrial Rails Atlantic
Well, I did get a chance to take a close look at the new Atlas
O/Industrial Rail Atlantic at the shop today...
The tender is the same width as the common plastic Flyer tender and
about 1/2" shorter. All it would need to look right at home behind
any Flyer steamer would be S trucks and a new drawbar! Unfortunately,
it is not availible separately.
The loco is the same height but 1/8" wider than an old Flyer 302
Atlantic, and 1/2" longer. Most of the length difference is in the
cab, which reminds me of a Flyer Casey Jones in proportion to the
boiler.
I was not allowed to disassemble the loco, but just looking at it
upside down revealed that the pilot and trailing truck could be done.
However, the chassis is made in such a way that the drivers can't
easily be regauged. It would probably require a machine shop job.
The average S gauger would probably be better off reworking an old
Flyer piece, as this project wouldn't even be close to cost effective.
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45204 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: Converting to Kadee couplers, etc.
In a message dated 10/06/2007 3:45:32 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
Timboy@... writes:

Hi Boss,

Question: To your knowledge, will the Kadee #5 couple with the Kadee
#802 if there is a mix of the two in use on the same model RR?

Thanks,
Tim Brown

Yes, they couple up just fine. I still have the SHS Kadee on my UP F3 loco,
and use it with thenumber 5s all the time.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45205 From: Bruce Willis Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Body vs. truck mounted couplers
In response to "They are now body (chassis) mounted, so I'm hopeful they will push
and pull better. ", why would body mounted couplers work better than truck mounted? Does it have to do with the "wobbliness" of the body on the trucks? It seems to me that truck mounted couplers provide less side forces to derail cars on curves.
- Bruce W.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45206 From: Trains Date: 10/6/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] More on the Atlas O/Industrial Rails Atlantic
I looked up Atlas site and their photos. From a few feet away overall nice looking, upon close up inspection of 4-4-2 I would have to say that the earlier AF 4-4-2 engine is a much better model and has more detail, the drivers on the Atlas loco are not insulated (3-rail O ga.) and have flanges that are way too big, and worst of all are solid back with spokes. It is a cheap engine and looks it, in my opinion. The cow catcher pilot also leaves a lot to be desired, boiler proportions look nice, but cab is way oversized. I would like to have been able to see insides, motor and smoke/whistle/bell electronics???

With a lathe the driver wheels could be turned down and new tires with insulation made, and the drivers could be drilled out/back turned down on lathe to make see-through driver spokes, a new cab could possibly be made from a damaged AF k-5, and etc., etc. The tender seems just right as is except for trucks, couplers and draw bar. Wow what a project.

Would probably be easier to splice AF 4-4-2 and K-5 together ???

What I really want are some atlantic, high stepping spoked drivers that could replace the AF box pok design. Does not seem that there is anything available in S...so I am looking at using some converted O open spoked drivers of an appropriate diameter.

Over all I would have to say that the Atlas new made in China 4-4-2 does not hold a candle to the AF 300 etc Atlantic, especialy the earlier multi-part boilers with handrails (considering it from a distance) and am very disapointed with Atlas in regards to level of detail, quality and accuracy considering what they have done in all the scales they are involved with...this won't cut it if they want to compete with MTH, Williams and Lionel.

Peter Loeb


----- Original Message -----
From: Stumpy Stone
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 4:34 PM
Subject: [SPAM] [S-Trains] More on the Atlas O/Industrial Rails Atlantic


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45207 From: Al Baker Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: My Pennsy E-6 4-4-2 S Gauge
All,
I built a Pennsy E-6 (I call it an E-6 "similar") by cutting down a K-5
Boiler and then modifying an Atlantic chassis. It was quite a project,
but came out quite good if I can say so myself. The chassis has to be
cut and modified, and I made some changes to the boiler. Maybe in the
next day or so I will try to figure out how to post pictures, and put
up a couple for you to see.

Al Baker
Portland
Group: S-Trains Message: 45208 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: Body vs. truck mounted couplers
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Willis <willisbd@...> wrote:
>
> In response to "They are now body (chassis) mounted, so I'm hopeful
they will push
> and pull better. ", why would body mounted couplers work better
than truck mounted?

Hi Bruce,

I believe that body-mounted (Talgo style) couplers are less likely to
derail cars when pushing - as in backing up - because there is no
torque applied directly to the trucks. It's like if you were on
roller skates. Would you rather someone pushed on your feet or your
back to get you going. Yes, either way can put you down, but what is
most likey to. Here is my hierarchy for derailments - from worst to
best: unweighted link trucks, weighted link trucks, knuckle trucks,
Talgo mounted couplers with independent trucks.

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45209 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Body vs. truck mounted couplers
The regular Flyer style truck mounted couplers are just fine pulling
a long train, or pushing just a few cars. However, if you want to
push longer cuts of cars, there is more of a tendancy for the trucks
to twist sideways and derail.
Body mounted couplers work better in this instance because the
direction of the force goes through the chassis of the car and is
held in a direct line. There is no turning and twisting of the
pivoting trucks.
Trucks with the couplers mounted are also known as Talgo trucks.
They were used by a few manufacturers in HO some years back. With
the much lighter HO cars and the scale size wheel flanges, backing a
train of these cars was almost impossible.
You can back more cars on SHS or American Models trucks and
couplers than the old Flyer ones because the new trucks roll freer.
Of course, body mounted couplers won't fix every backing problem
(just ask the HO and N scale guys). Backing through S curves or
crossover type switch patterns are still a hassle (especially
standard Flyer radius switches in an S curve pattern!) So are
backing long trains with light weight cars in the middle of the
train, and heavy cars in back, or a caboose with stiff electrical
pick ups, for instance.
Stumpy Stone...been there, derailed that...in Ahia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45210 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Body vs. truck mounted couplers
Truck mounted ( tinplate couplers ) allow sharper curves. body mounted (
prototype couplers ) require a larger radius curve. both types work
equally well, if the couplers are installed correct, the track is laid
correctly. protype couplers ( body mount ) requires prototype track
specifications. such as larger radius, at least one car length between "
S " curves. etc, etc.
Jerry HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 45211 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: Body vs. truck mounted couplers
Folks,

I believe I misused the term "talgo". After reading Stumpy's note and
doing a search on the word "talgo", it appears that "talgo" refers to
couplers mounted on trucks where-as couplers mounted to the chassis is
referred to as "body mount". Still, I believe the essence of my
analogy is correct.

I've noticed a HUGE improvement in backing up a string of mixed freight
cars when I do so over my own wide-radius hand-made switches, patterned
after the closed-frog type the ACG factory turned out. I only wish
they would have made a wider radius curve and switch. But wishing
won't do anything and I understand why they did not - it's because they
made toy trains for under Christmas trees - not to use for serious
modeling, which barely even existed back then.

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45212 From: Art Shifrin Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: truck v. body mounted couplers
I suppose it's intuitive (how's that for cautiousness?) that truck
mounted couplers are better for considerations of automatic coupling.
but I'd never thought about the running ramifications of the matter.
Note that Gilbert's debut HO for 1938 had body mounts, and were changed
to the truck mounts shortly thereafter. The O freight cars of that year
had the truck mounted sheet metal knuckle couplers. The streamlined
Chicago designed passenger cars were swivelling body mounted
pseudo-vesibules.

I hope that this thread will reveal more about the topic.

Shiffy


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45213 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Body vs. truck mounted couplers
Posted by: "Bruce Willis"
<mailto:willisbd@...?Subject=%20Re%3ABody%20vs%2E%20truck%20mounted%20
couplers> willisbd@... <http://profiles.yahoo.com/willisbd>
willisbd

Sat Oct 6, 2007 8:39 pm (PST)

In response to "They are now body (chassis) mounted, so I'm hopeful they
will push and pull better. ", why would body mounted couplers work better
than truck mounted? Does it have to do with the "wobbliness" of the body on
the trucks? It seems to me that truck mounted couplers provide less side
forces to derail cars on curves.
- Bruce W



HI Bruce,

Backing up a train with truck mounted couplers is similar to backing up a
trailer with your car -- the trailer goes where it wants and you correct by
convoluted steering with your car. With the train, you don't get a chance
to correct, so the tendency is for the wheels to climb over the rail. With
bigger Flyer flanges on the wheels it's not that much of a problem, however,
the quality of your track work is also a factor.

With body mounted couplers the force is on the chassis and the wheels
(trucks) are free to follow the rails without being pushed around by the
coupler.

Hope that's clear enough.

Tom Stoltz

Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork
Maine S Gaugers
NASG

www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45214 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: truck v. body mounted couplers
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Art Shifrin" <Goldens3@...> wrote:
>
> I suppose it's intuitive (how's that for cautiousness?) that truck
> mounted couplers are better for considerations of automatic
coupling.


Hi,

My very limited experience with body-mounted couplers is suggesting
to me that body-mounted couplers actually make it easier to couple
cars. My observations tell me that if they are properly mounted,
there is more forgiveness or wiggle room in mating them - even on
curves. Talgo, or truck-mounted couplers have to be straight to mate
(Hmmmmm). Even then, they can still fail to perform. I believe the
reason is that if the track or wheels are somewhat out of gauge, then
the knuckles still will not be straight enough to mate well. I find
the new Lionel knuckle couplers are even worse. Seems the jaws don't
open up quite as far as the old ACG knuckle coupler jaws or knuckles.

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45215 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: S gauge drivers
Posted by: "Trains"
<mailto:rr4u@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20%5BSPAM%5D%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Mo
re%20on%20the%20Atlas%20O%2FIndustrial%20Rails%20%20Atlantic>
rr4u@...

Sat Oct 6, 2007 8:40 pm (PST)

What I really want are some Atlantic, high stepping spoked drivers that
could replace the AF box pok design. Does not seem that there is anything
available in S...so I am looking at using some converted O open spoked
drivers of an appropriate diameter.



Peter,

Have you tried Alan Gibson at http://www.alangibsonworkshop.co.uk/ ? He is
all metric so you have to convert to inches to find what you need.

Tom Stoltz

Dresden ME



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45216 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: Body vs. truck mounted couplers
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Gerald Dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote:
>
> Truck mounted ( tinplate couplers ) allow sharper curves. body
mounted (
> prototype couplers ) require a larger radius curve.

Hi Jerry,

I'm afraid I must respectfully disagree with you. I see no problem
with using body-mounted couplers on vintage ACG track. The only
exception might be passenger cars, which I have not gotten to yet. Are
you speaking from experience or passing along information that you have
heard elsewhere. Can you please be more specific?

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45217 From: Al Baker Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: My Pennsy E-6 4-4-2 S Gauge - and others
After several requests, I have posted some pictures in an album called
Al Baker's Customs.

First some disclaimers:
My photography skills are not the best, apologies in advance.
Next, My level of craftsmanship is not high as you will see. I have not
shop and my tools are crude at best.
My models are not perfect depictions of the real prototypes - I know
that.
Lettering has not been completed and in some cases the models still
have some finishing to do.

The first E-6 is as described below, but actually there was more work
than I mentioned below.

The second E-6 was purchased off eBay - I have no idea who made it. It
has a custom plastic boiler and a very nice custom tender (the main
reason I bought it).

The M-1a was made from two K-5 boilers and a modified Northern chassis.

The C-1 has several mods to the original 342 boiler including the
Belpaire firebox, sand dome, etc removals, front mounted generator, and
other mods. The tender coal bin is modified - lowered and back plate
added.

All engines that I do have smoke on/off switches.

Feel free to email me any questions.

Al Baker
Portland


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote:
>
> All,
> I built a Pennsy E-6 (I call it an E-6 "similar") by cutting down a K-
5
> Boiler and then modifying an Atlantic chassis. It was quite a
project,
> but came out quite good if I can say so myself. The chassis has to be
> cut and modified, and I made some changes to the boiler. Maybe in
the
> next day or so I will try to figure out how to post pictures, and put
> up a couple for you to see.
>
> Al Baker
> Portland
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45218 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: The letter S
Someone in the dreaded world of O gauge, asked if I knew how the letter S came about for S gauge. I did not have the answer, as I believe HO is for Half O.

I believe I have read that S gauge was around before AF made S products, also.

Any one know?

Mike Marmer


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45219 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: Body vs. truck mounted couplers
My experience is that body mounts allow you to back up longer trains. I
have many modern cars and passenger cars equipped with KD802s and 808s.
Only caveat is you have to avoid s turns within a car length. The kadees
couple fine even on a vintage flyer curve when body mounted.



Chuck Smith

http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

cesmith@...



_____

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Tim Brown
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 11:07 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Body vs. truck mounted couplers



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, Gerald
Dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote:
>
> Truck mounted ( tinplate couplers ) allow sharper curves. body
mounted (
> prototype couplers ) require a larger radius curve.

Hi Jerry,

I'm afraid I must respectfully disagree with you. I see no problem
with using body-mounted couplers on vintage ACG track. The only
exception might be passenger cars, which I have not gotten to yet. Are
you speaking from experience or passing along information that you have
heard elsewhere. Can you please be more specific?

Regards,
Tim Brown





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45221 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: WAY OFF TOPIC.... ABOUT TRAINS
You have all heard of the Little lady that her Husband was hung and she needs to get her 25 million out of Africa !!!!! Send 10,000 to handle the transfer...... WELL....... I got a TELEPHONE CALL the other day from a Man.... He wants to meet with me to discuss how I can be of assistance in upgrading a RAILROAD in AFRICA... He had heard I was interested in TRAINS !!!!!!!..... Can all you guys send my a thousand so I can help ?????? LOL LOL LOL... Bob

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Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/7/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45223 From: Al Paolozzi Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: The letter S
I think it has to do with the S in !/64th and 3/16th.



> Someone in the dreaded world of O gauge, asked if I knew how the letter S came about for S gauge. I did not have the answer, as I believe HO is for Half O.

> I believe I have read that S gauge was around before AF made S products, also.

> Any one know?

> Mike Marmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 45224 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: The letter S
My readings years ago
came across the statement
that "S" stood for "Scale"
as opposed to "Toy Trains"
and may have been coined by
A.C. Gilbert in 1939 with
the introduction of 1/64
bodies on "O" gauge trucks.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 2:05 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] The letter S


Someone in the dreaded world of O gauge, asked if I knew how the letter S came about for S gauge. I did not have the answer, as I believe HO is for Half O.

I believe I have read that S gauge was around before AF made S products, also.

Any one know?

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45225 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: My Pennsy E-6 4-4-2 S Gauge - and others
Al,

Bravo! Bravo!

I think you have some outstanding work here. I wish there had been
some way you could have chronicled what you did step-by-step. Consider
doing at least an abbreviated version of that for us on your next
project, please.

Now, swap out the open-frame motors for some shorty Timkos and put a
v3.5 Loksound decoder in the tender and a bass-reflex 100 ohm speaker
in the boiler to complete each project. You will have something that
would be the absolute envy of S gauge modelers - including myself!

OBTW, I couldn't help notice that if the plywood backdrop you used for
the photos was painted sky colors, it would make a wonderful sky model!

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45226 From: Phil K Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: The letter S
It all began 70 years ago when Ed Pachasa of Cleveland Model & Supply
Co. Inc. introduced what was in this country the beginning of today's
S gauge. Cleveland Model ran an ad in February 1937 issue of Model
Railroading introducing something startling different in C-D model
railroading. In The April issue began a two-page ad with a complete
line of 3/16" scale equipment that they called C-D scale. The ads ran
throughout 1937. The Standards for C-D scale were quickly adopted by
the National Model Railroad Association at the 1937 convention.

During the 1943 NMRA convention, the name was changed from C-D to S.

Most original 3/16" kits were wood, stamped metal and card stock.

--From Badgerland S Gaugers website

**********************************************************
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer"
<mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Someone in the dreaded world of O gauge, asked if I knew how the
letter S came about for S gauge. I did not have the answer, as I
believe HO is for Half O.
>
> I believe I have read that S gauge was around before AF made S
products, also.
>
> Any one know?
>
> Mike Marmer
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45227 From: Phil K Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Another possible attribution
For the origin of the "S" in "S-scale", more details with photos.
Whether this UK site or Badgerland had it first, neither credits an
original source.

http://www.s-scale.org.uk/history.htm

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 45228 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: The letter S
Thanks Phil for that answer, as I read somewhere that S goes back to the 1930's but I did not know more than that.

And thanks to the others who wrote in too.

I will pass this along to my O friend.

They are okay as friends. O:)!

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil K
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 6:14 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: The letter S


It all began 70 years ago when Ed Pachasa of Cleveland Model & Supply
Co. Inc. introduced what was in this country the beginning of today's
S gauge. Cleveland Model ran an ad in February 1937 issue of Model
Railroading introducing something startling different in C-D model
railroading. In The April issue began a two-page ad with a complete
line of 3/16" scale equipment that they called C-D scale. The ads ran
throughout 1937. The Standards for C-D scale were quickly adopted by
the National Model Railroad Association at the 1937 convention.

During the 1943 NMRA convention, the name was changed from C-D to S.

Most original 3/16" kits were wood, stamped metal and card stock.

--From Badgerland S Gaugers website

**********************************************************
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer"
<mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Someone in the dreaded world of O gauge, asked if I knew how the
letter S came about for S gauge. I did not have the answer, as I
believe HO is for Half O.
>
> I believe I have read that S gauge was around before AF made S
products, also.
>
> Any one know?
>
> Mike Marmer
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45229 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC.... ABOUT TRAINS
Bob,

That was me calling you.

Just kidding.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 1:56 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] WAY OFF TOPIC.... ABOUT TRAINS


You have all heard of the Little lady that her Husband was hung and she needs to get her 25 million out of Africa !!!!! Send 10,000 to handle the transfer...... WELL....... I got a TELEPHONE CALL the other day from a Man.... He wants to meet with me to discuss how I can be of assistance in upgrading a RAILROAD in AFRICA... He had heard I was interested in TRAINS !!!!!!!..... Can all you guys send my a thousand so I can help ?????? LOL LOL LOL... Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45230 From: yorktown26 Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: My new Lionel American Flyer Milwaukee Road Northern
Hi Guys, I just got the new Northern and it's a beauty.
It runs great looks great and has a lot of pulling power. The chow chow
Squeek,
is gone, as Lionel had promised to rectify this from the earlier UP
versions, and the Railsounds are great.
Then there is the problem with Smoke which is still weak.
I let the engine sit on the track in neutral with full power
for a minute or 2 and this heats up the smoke unit, which will give
modest smoke as the train pulls out provided you keep the power up.
I have mine pulling 15 cars , otherwise the engine would be
doing 90 Miles per hour.

Does Anybody else have the same problem ??
Thanks,
Dennis Caruso
Group: S-Trains Message: 45231 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: My new Lionel American Flyer Milwaukee Road Northern
Dennis,


I cover modifying the smoke unit on my web site to improve the smoke output
at: http://www.tuveson.com/NorthernSmoke/improving_the_smoke.htm


Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of yorktown26
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 7:14 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] My new Lionel American Flyer Milwaukee Road Northern


Hi Guys, I just got the new Northern and it's a beauty.
It runs great looks great and has a lot of pulling power. The chow chow
Squeek,
is gone, as Lionel had promised to rectify this from the earlier UP
versions, and the Railsounds are great.
Then there is the problem with Smoke which is still weak.
I let the engine sit on the track in neutral with full power
for a minute or 2 and this heats up the smoke unit, which will give
modest smoke as the train pulls out provided you keep the power up.
I have mine pulling 15 cars , otherwise the engine would be
doing 90 Miles per hour.

Does Anybody else have the same problem ??
Thanks,
Dennis Caruso



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45232 From: Trains Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Re: Body vs. truck mounted couplers
A general note on "Talgo": The use of this word is from the Spanish/Portugeese trains that use articulated passenger cars, where a truck is centered between and shares the weight and coupling of two car ends, in addition the Talgo trucks provide a lean into curves in proportion to speed and curvature (patended process). The Talgo train cars run here in the Pacific Northwest from Eugene OR to Vancouver BC on Amtrak.

The model railroad use of the word is an appropriated mis-use of the "Talgo" patent and concept and universally in the US is used to describe a truck mounted coupler on any rolling stock in any scale. Most problems with truck mounted couplers show up when backing up, especially in switching moves with a string of cars, this is independent of scale or size. Quality trackwork, exact alignment of truck centers with little slop and smooth operating wheels and couplers can deminish the effects.

For AF type curves, couplers and deep flanges, this is, in my opinion, a desireable compromise. I have used truck mounted AF link/knuckle, Kadee style O /S (On3)/ HO couplers in tests on my track with good results. I place brass ferrules in Knuckle trucks and try to eliminate most(not all) side play and slop. The SHS and AM trucks work best and does not seem to make much difference whether I use scale or high-rail wheels. If you care to, slinging some weights under center of truck (such s the AF weight, washers or lead) will improve backup performance some.

Peter Loeb


----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Brown
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 7:16 AM
Subject: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Re: Body vs. truck mounted couplers

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45233 From: David Engle Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: Re: The letter S
Someone (Mr. Packard?) wrote out 3/16ths of an inch to the foot, 1/64th Scale, or some two phrases like that, and determined that "S" 'was the most prevalent letter in the writing. I wish I could do better in the details. DJE



----- Original Message -----
From: Al Paolozzi
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The letter S


I think it has to do with the S in !/64th and 3/16th.


> Someone in the dreaded world of O gauge, asked if I knew how the letter S came about for S gauge. I did not have the answer, as I believe HO is for Half O.

> I believe I have read that S gauge was around before AF made S products, also.

> Any one know?

> Mike Marmer





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45234 From: Phil K Date: 10/7/2007
Subject: SPECIAL NOTICE
As requested by several members of this group the default return
address on replies to messages has been reset to send automatically TO
THE S-TRAINS BOARD and NOT the original sender, which was the default
address in the past. This should solve the frequent (and often
annoying) problem of replies to interesting questions being sent to the
original poster only instead of being shared with the group.

Thanks to all those who emailed requests offline to make this change.
As moderators this is one of the few functions we do not have access
to, it must be done by the board administrator (owner), in our case
Paul Yorke. Thanks, Paul, for responding so quickly.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 45235 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: SPECIAL NOTICE
So the default is one way for S Trains and another way for S Scale. This
should be interesting.

I hope we change this back soon !

- Earl Henry, Nashville



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45236 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Compact Flyer switches.
Shown in my S-Trains photo album (Chuck's Layout) is a picture of how a
Flyer turnout can be modified to pack siding or yards into less space. I
cut away most of the housing. Onviously you don't use a mint turnout Adding
a switch machine is optional. Mine are right next to the operation pit so I
left them manual. The power routing contacts still work.



See: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/5213

And scroll down to the bottom row of pictures.



Chuck Smith

http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

cesmith@...





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45237 From: velapoldi Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: The letter S
Hi All:
We have gotten some interesting comments for Mike's question, but the
basic question remains: "Why was 'S' chosen?" Why not A, or B, etc. I
don't quite see the prevalence of the letter "S" in 1/64 or 3/16 - maybe
it was 'S'cale that tipped the balance - they were pushing that this was
pretty good scale equipment at the time, etc.
regards,
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

>
> **********************************************************
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Michael and Linda Marmer"
> <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
> >
> > Someone in the dreaded world of O gauge, asked if I knew how the
> letter S came about for S gauge. I did not have the answer, as I
> believe HO is for Half O.
> >
> > I believe I have read that S gauge was around before AF made S
> products, also.
> >
> > Any one know?
> >
> > Mike Marmer
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45238 From: Rick Evans Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: And speaking of that AF layout in CTT
It's 12 x 16 feet and their track choice was S-Helper Service's
S-Trax and they used Flyer switches.
It sure looks nice!


Rick.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45239 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: SPECIAL NOTICE
Now you'll get a ton of mail like this that doesn't interest you. We've
been here before and tried both ways.



Chuck Smith

http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

cesmith@...



_____

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Phil K
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 10:40 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] SPECIAL NOTICE



As requested by several members of this group the default return
address on replies to messages has been reset to send automatically TO
THE S-TRAINS BOARD and NOT the original sender, which was the default
address in the past. This should solve the frequent (and often
annoying) problem of replies to interesting questions being sent to the
original poster only instead of being shared with the group.

Thanks to all those who emailed requests offline to make this change.
As moderators this is one of the few functions we do not have access
to, it must be done by the board administrator (owner), in our case
Paul Yorke. Thanks, Paul, for responding so quickly.

Phil K





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45240 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Cleveland Model & Supply
Phil: I had read several years ago in RMC that the owner of Cleveland
Model & Supply was Ed Packer, not, Ed Pachasa. None of my C-D drawings
and/or boxes ( trains and air plane kits ) can verify either. Can you
clarify this for me??
Thanks
Jerry HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 45241 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Body vs. truck mounted couplers
Tim :
please adjust your glasses and reread my post again. YES, I do
run all types of couplers and trains. I have 4 operating layouts, 13 x 35
ft "S" gauge, both scale and tin plate , with a two main line "O"
running around that layout, running prewar Flyer, Lionel, K-line and
MTH, and a 10 x 12 ft. HO, + A Marklin HO portable display. A 2 x 3
"N", I built in a coffee table ( so I could put trains in the front room
).
My train experience comes from a Christmas long ago, I receiving a 1923
Flyer set, I was the Lionel repair station #313 in Denver Colo, (
Anderson's Toy Land ) thru my collage years. I retired from COORS
Brewery, being responsible for the design of rail yards in Golden Colo.
and Coors' Elkton, Virginia, brewery.
Jerry TCA # HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 45242 From: yorktown26 Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: My new Lionel American Flyer Milwaukee Road Northern
Many Thanks Carl, I have seen your Hints and Tips site many times and
it is wonderful.
I understand your modifications, but I do not wish to void the Lionel
warranty at this time. I'll probably contact Lionel and ask for a
fix,If enough people complain, maybe they will comply like they did
with the Choo Choo sqweek fix.

Dennis

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Tuveson" <carl@...> wrote:
>
> Dennis,
>
>
> I cover modifying the smoke unit on my web site to improve the
smoke output
> at: http://www.tuveson.com/NorthernSmoke/improving_the_smoke.htm
>
>
> Carl
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of yorktown26
> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 7:14 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] My new Lionel American Flyer Milwaukee Road
Northern
>
>
> Hi Guys, I just got the new Northern and it's a beauty.
> It runs great looks great and has a lot of pulling power. The chow
chow
> Squeek,
> is gone, as Lionel had promised to rectify this from the earlier UP
> versions, and the Railsounds are great.
> Then there is the problem with Smoke which is still weak.
> I let the engine sit on the track in neutral with full power
> for a minute or 2 and this heats up the smoke unit, which will give
> modest smoke as the train pulls out provided you keep the power up.
> I have mine pulling 15 cars , otherwise the engine would be
> doing 90 Miles per hour.
>
> Does Anybody else have the same problem ??
> Thanks,
> Dennis Caruso
>
>
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://S-Scale.org/albums
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45243 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: Compact Flyer switches.
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Charles E. Smith" <cesmith@...> wrote:
>
> Shown in my S-Trains photo album (Chuck's Layout) is a picture of how
a
> Flyer turnout can be modified to pack siding or yards into less
space.

Hi,

Looks like the technique I posted last April has finally caught on:

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/6dc2?b=10

Now let's see some more examples of home-made switches:

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/6dc2?b=18

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45244 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: My new Lionel American Flyer Milwaukee Road Northern
Dennis,

That is probably the best approach for now.
Nag Lionel about the lousy smoke!!!

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of yorktown26
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 8:15 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: My new Lionel American Flyer Milwaukee Road
Northern

Many Thanks Carl, I have seen your Hints and Tips site many times and
it is wonderful.
I understand your modifications, but I do not wish to void the Lionel
warranty at this time. I'll probably contact Lionel and ask for a
fix,If enough people complain, maybe they will comply like they did
with the Choo Choo sqweek fix.

Dennis

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Tuveson" <carl@...> wrote:
>
> Dennis,
>
>
> I cover modifying the smoke unit on my web site to improve the
smoke output
> at: http://www.tuveson.com/NorthernSmoke/improving_the_smoke.htm
>
>
> Carl
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of yorktown26
> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 7:14 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] My new Lionel American Flyer Milwaukee Road
Northern
>
>
> Hi Guys, I just got the new Northern and it's a beauty.
> It runs great looks great and has a lot of pulling power. The chow
chow
> Squeek,
> is gone, as Lionel had promised to rectify this from the earlier UP
> versions, and the Railsounds are great.
> Then there is the problem with Smoke which is still weak.
> I let the engine sit on the track in neutral with full power
> for a minute or 2 and this heats up the smoke unit, which will give
> modest smoke as the train pulls out provided you keep the power up.
> I have mine pulling 15 cars , otherwise the engine would be
> doing 90 Miles per hour.
>
> Does Anybody else have the same problem ??
> Thanks,
> Dennis Caruso
>
>
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://S-Scale.org/albums
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>




Enjoy thousands of great photos
at http://S-Scale.org/albums
Yahoo! Groups Links
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Subject: Opps! Conversation!
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From 2 pm till 5 pm

Food, Drink And Great American Flyer Conversation!

TTU has a good selection of used & new American Flyer "S" trains as well as
some American Model & SHS items.

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28 York Street (Route 116 West St.); Hanover, PA, 17331
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45246 From: Donald Thompson Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: Blatant SHS commercialism
We have uploaded the Fall SHS Update as a .pdf download. Included is
information on the upcoming shipment of S Scale America new products and
roadnames expected this fall.

The SHS Update is at:
http://www.showcaseline.com/updates/V18N2.pdf
<https://webmailcluster.perfora.net/xml/webmail/mailContent;jsessionid=41F21A1CA65BC0C0B9730371BBDFB7C1.TC135b#>


Latest News
The latest run of reefers arrived today.
http://www.showcaseline.com/Flatcars/Loads/fcwithloads.html
<https://webmailcluster.perfora.net/xml/webmail/mailContent;jsessionid=41F21A1CA65BC0C0B9730371BBDFB7C1.TC135b#>

With the reefers are the coal loads with snow, #00967 and #00979
American Flyer replacment wheelsets.
http://www.showcaseline.com/Parts/misc_in_stock.html
<https://webmailcluster.perfora.net/xml/webmail/mailContent;jsessionid=41F21A1CA65BC0C0B9730371BBDFB7C1.TC135b#>

The shipment of flatcars is scheduled to leave from Hong Kong this
weekend and are expected to arrive early November. The 2007 Christmas
car is included in this shipment. The only item not to be sent is the
ACL pulpwood cars.
The Corgi M4A2 Stuart tanks are at our distributors warehouse. They
moved last week buy assured me they would be sent the following week.
Once the PRR flatcars arrive, we will be sending out those tanks on
flatcars.
http://www.showcaseline.com/Flatcars/Loads/fcwithloads.html
<https://webmailcluster.perfora.net/xml/webmail/mailContent;jsessionid=41F21A1CA65BC0C0B9730371BBDFB7C1.TC135b#>

The new pickup trucks featured in the SHS Update have been re-ordered
and are expected back in stock next week.
Best regards,
Don


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45247 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: Body vs. truck mounted couplers
Jerry,

You are the only List member responding to me so far who claims to have
a problem running body-mounted couplers on "narrow" radius track, so I
have to wonder why. I thought maybe you were referring to Pikemaster -
which is junk, IMHO. Adjusting my glasses and re-reading your post
doesn't give me any more insights than I previously had. The
information in your post seems contradictory to me ("both types work
equally well", yet "prototype couplers...requires...larger radius"),
which is why I tried to kindly (as best I could) ask you for a
clarification. I get the part about the "S" curves. I'm afraid others
reading your post will come away with the wrong idea as well. Sorry
that your post confuses me.

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45248 From: roy inman Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: Cleveland Model & Supply
Jerry,

Ed Packard, like the auto, is what I have.

Roy Inman

From: Gerald Dobbs <grdobbs@...>
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:29:58 -0700
To: waldootten@...
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Cleveland Model & Supply


Phil: I had read several years ago in RMC that the owner of Cleveland
Model & Supply was Ed Packer, not, Ed Pachasa. None of my C-D drawings
and/or boxes ( trains and air plane kits ) can verify either. Can you
clarify this for me??
Thanks
Jerry HR77-11644





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45249 From: edzdan Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: York Room
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...>
wrote:
>
> Any body need one at the Billy Bud this OCT???? I won't be using
mine.... Bob
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45250 From: edzdan Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: York Room
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> wrotI
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Is the room still available? Thanks
Group: S-Trains Message: 45251 From: roy inman Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: Cleveland Model & Supply
I think that my previous post about the origin of "S" may have gotten eaten
in cyberspace.

So, for anyone interested, here is what I have gleaned from several sources
and assume it is correct.

C-D refers to Cleveland Designed after the Cleveland Model Supply Company.
Owner was an Ed Packard (Packard is what I have, but after lo these many
years, who knows for sure?). Cleveland Model was and is a popular source for
model airplane plans. In the 1930's C-D produced the famous and now rare
wood and paper Hiawatha train in 3/16" to the foot scale. I sure would like
to have one...

During the era, 1933~34, C-D became a generic shorthand for trains of 3/16"
to the foot scale. In 1942 the NMRA gave C-D an official designation: "S",
because of the "S's" in its description: 3/16th"S" and "S"even eighths
gauge.

In the same time frame, Cleveland published a catalog of model train
supplies that is given credit for helping promote the hobby of model
railroading on a nation wide scale. I guess by coincidence, at the Chicago
World's Fair of 1933~34 the first two streamliners, the Union Pacific M10000
and the Burlington Zephyr were introduced. A banner year for things train.

Roy Inman

From: Gerald Dobbs <grdobbs@...>
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:29:58 -0700
To: waldootten@...
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Cleveland Model & Supply


Phil: I had read several years ago in RMC that the owner of Cleveland
Model & Supply was Ed Packer, not, Ed Pachasa. None of my C-D drawings
and/or boxes ( trains and air plane kits ) can verify either. Can you
clarify this for me??
Thanks
Jerry HR77-11644





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45252 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: York Room
SORRY But it is gone... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: edzdan
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: York Room


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <rcon7@...> wrotI
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Is the room still available? Thanks





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45253 From: Phil K Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: SPECIAL NOTICE
I don't believe it works that way. All messages sent to the S-Trains
group must pass through the moderators first and be approved before
they go to anyone's email box.

Phil K

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Charles E. Smith" <cesmith@...>
wrote:
>
> Now you'll get a ton of mail like this that doesn't interest you.
We've
> been here before and tried both ways.
>
>
>
> Chuck Smith
>
> http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/
>
> cesmith@...
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Phil K
> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 10:40 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] SPECIAL NOTICE
>
>
>
> As requested by several members of this group the default return
> address on replies to messages has been reset to send automatically
TO
> THE S-TRAINS BOARD and NOT the original sender, which was the
default
> address in the past. This should solve the frequent (and often
> annoying) problem of replies to interesting questions being sent to
the
> original poster only instead of being shared with the group.
>
> Thanks to all those who emailed requests offline to make this
change.
> As moderators this is one of the few functions we do not have
access
> to, it must be done by the board administrator (owner), in our case
> Paul Yorke. Thanks, Paul, for responding so quickly.
>
> Phil K
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45254 From: Phil K Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Re: Cleveland Model & Supply
I have no doubt the man's last name could be Packard. My research
materials are all packed for a move right now, but now that I hear
his name, that's a distinct possibility.

Because of this uncertainty I provided both sources I used. Could be
one had it wrong and the other copied it? Of course, that NEVER
happens in the net. <grin>

Phil K

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
>
> I think that my previous post about the origin of "S" may have
gotten eaten
> in cyberspace.
>
> So, for anyone interested, here is what I have gleaned from several
sources
> and assume it is correct.
>
> C-D refers to Cleveland Designed after the Cleveland Model Supply
Company.
> Owner was an Ed Packard (Packard is what I have, but after lo these
many
> years, who knows for sure?). Cleveland Model was and is a popular
source for
> model airplane plans. In the 1930's C-D produced the famous and now
rare
> wood and paper Hiawatha train in 3/16" to the foot scale. I sure
would like
> to have one...
>
> During the era, 1933~34, C-D became a generic shorthand for trains
of 3/16"
> to the foot scale. In 1942 the NMRA gave C-D an official
designation: "S",
> because of the "S's" in its description: 3/16th"S" and "S"even
eighths
> gauge.
>
> In the same time frame, Cleveland published a catalog of model train
> supplies that is given credit for helping promote the hobby of model
> railroading on a nation wide scale. I guess by coincidence, at the
Chicago
> World's Fair of 1933~34 the first two streamliners, the Union
Pacific M10000
> and the Burlington Zephyr were introduced. A banner year for things
train.
>
> Roy Inman
>
> From: Gerald Dobbs <grdobbs@...>
> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:29:58 -0700
> To: waldootten@...
> Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Cleveland Model & Supply
>
>
> Phil: I had read several years ago in RMC that the owner of
Cleveland
> Model & Supply was Ed Packer, not, Ed Pachasa. None of my C-D
drawings
> and/or boxes ( trains and air plane kits ) can verify either. Can
you
> clarify this for me??
> Thanks
> Jerry HR77-11644
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45255 From: Don Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Duke energy
Site about their large holiday train display. Answers to FAQ's, short
clip and some stills.
www.duke-energy.com/train
Group: S-Trains Message: 45256 From: afjerryk5 Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Coupler height gauge
There seems to be a lot of intrest in Kadee couplers,I've
installed 802s on some of my SHS cars.Thought about doing my
reworked/repainted Flyer stuff too.Here's the question.Will the NASG
coupler height gauge work on Flyer track?
Jerry
Hoosier hirailer
Group: S-Trains Message: 45257 From: Robert Graves Date: 10/8/2007
Subject: Pulley wheels on the #944 Industrial Brownhoist
Larry Moore sent me a picture of his two #944 booms. The size of one pulley wheel is about half the size of the other. All the ones I've seen are the size of the larger wheel. Did Gilbert make a few 944s with smaller wheels, or was this one replaced? The picture is in The Gilbert Gallery:

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/crane_cars.html




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45258 From: roy inman Date: 10/9/2007
Subject: Re: Cleveland Model & Supply
Phil,

Turns out, both spellings-Pascha and Packard-are correct.

According to the Cleveland Model Company web site, the founder, Ed Pashca,
or someone in the family, apparently changed the surname along the way to
Packard. Maybe they thought it sounded more "American"? I say this in no way
to disrespect, just in my admittedly limited study of American history, I
noticed that many immigrants changed their names to try and blend in. Joshua
Lionel Cowen was Joshua Lionel Cohen for instance.

Ed Packard died, so the web site history says, in 1999.

Very interesting history of the company on the site. I have been a model
airplane builder for 60 years and I did not know all that stuff about the
legendary Cleveland Model Company.

Roy

From: Phil K <waldootten@...>
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:05:10 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Cleveland Model & Supply


I have no doubt the man's last name could be Packard. My research
materials are all packed for a move right now, but now that I hear
his name, that's a distinct possibility.

Because of this uncertainty I provided both sources I used. Could be
one had it wrong and the other copied it? Of course, that NEVER
happens in the net. <grin>

Phil K

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , roy
inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
>
> I think that my previous post about the origin of "S" may have
gotten eaten
> in cyberspace.
>
> So, for anyone interested, here is what I have gleaned from several
sources
> and assume it is correct.
>
> C-D refers to Cleveland Designed after the Cleveland Model Supply
Company.
> Owner was an Ed Packard (Packard is what I have, but after lo these
many
> years, who knows for sure?). Cleveland Model was and is a popular
source for
> model airplane plans. In the 1930's C-D produced the famous and now
rare
> wood and paper Hiawatha train in 3/16" to the foot scale. I sure
would like
> to have one...
>
> During the era, 1933~34, C-D became a generic shorthand for trains
of 3/16"
> to the foot scale. In 1942 the NMRA gave C-D an official
designation: "S",
> because of the "S's" in its description: 3/16th"S" and "S"even
eighths
> gauge.
>
> In the same time frame, Cleveland published a catalog of model train
> supplies that is given credit for helping promote the hobby of model
> railroading on a nation wide scale. I guess by coincidence, at the
Chicago
> World's Fair of 1933~34 the first two streamliners, the Union
Pacific M10000
> and the Burlington Zephyr were introduced. A banner year for things
train.
>
> Roy Inman
>
> From: Gerald Dobbs <grdobbs@...>
> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:29:58 -0700
> To: waldootten@...
> Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [S-Trains] Cleveland Model & Supply
>
>
> Phil: I had read several years ago in RMC that the owner of
Cleveland
> Model & Supply was Ed Packer, not, Ed Pachasa. None of my C-D
drawings
> and/or boxes ( trains and air plane kits ) can verify either. Can
you
> clarify this for me??
> Thanks
> Jerry HR77-11644
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45259 From: roy inman Date: 10/9/2007
Subject: Re: Duke energy
Wow, that is some large display!! 361' x 471'. I could not access photos of
the layout, but the information page was interesting stuff.

And we thought our little 60' x 80' Holiday Village layout at Union Station
was big...

Roy Inman

From: Don <niblick_32966@...>
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:38:30 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Duke energy


Site about their large holiday train display. Answers to FAQ's, short
clip and some stills.
www.duke-energy.com/train






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45260 From: roy inman Date: 10/9/2007
Subject: Pine Canyon items
Just FYI to all the S folks:

I understand from Keith at Pine Canyon that the available stock of S
products is very low. And further, due to some heavy family responsibilities
involving older relatives, it may be some time before PC will be able to do
any reruns-the foreseeable future in fact.

For instance, I got the last remaining Howard's Drive in and add-on section.

So, if anyone has been contemplating any PC purchases, it might be wise to
move on the thought.

I have no vested interest in Pine Canyon, but if any of you are like me and
figure on getting "'roundtoit" one of these days, I think that this is one
of these days...

Roy Inman
Group: S-Trains Message: 45261 From: Doug Peck Date: 10/9/2007
Subject: Re: Cleveland Model & Supply
Ed PACKARD is correct, which is why we had "Packard's Diner" produced as
our first S-scale structure kit by Twin Whistle.



Doug Peck

Port Lines Hobby Supply

6 Storeybrooke Drive

Newburyport, MA 01950-3408

www.sgaugetrains.com
<file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data
\Microsoft\Signatures\www.sgaugetrains.com>

www.flyerparts.com
<file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Doug.PORTLINES\Application%20Data
\Microsoft\Signatures\www.flyerparts.com>

Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST).

978-465-8798

1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.)

VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45262 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 10/9/2007
Subject: Re: Coupler height gauge
Yes



Chuck Smith

http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

cesmith@...



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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of afjerryk5
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:43 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Coupler height gauge



There seems to be a lot of intrest in Kadee couplers,I've
installed 802s on some of my SHS cars.Thought about doing my
reworked/repainted Flyer stuff too.Here's the question.Will the NASG
coupler height gauge work on Flyer track?
Jerry
Hoosier hirailer





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45263 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 10/9/2007
Subject: Re: Duke energy
SORRY! But it is 36 1/2' x 47 1/2'
in "O" gauge. I just looked at
their FACs page.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: roy inman
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:31 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Duke energy


Wow, that is some large display!! 361' x 471'. I could not access photos of
the layout, but the information page was interesting stuff.

And we thought our little 60' x 80' Holiday Village layout at Union Station
was big...

Roy Inman

From: Don <niblick_32966@...>
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:38:30 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Duke energy

Site about their large holiday train display. Answers to FAQ's, short
clip and some stills.
www.duke-energy.com/train

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45264 From: Alan Evans Date: 10/9/2007
Subject: O Scale Kadees and Flyer knuckles
List,

I discovered early on that Kadee O Scale couplers will connect
with Flyer knuckles.



- Alan Evans

o Central Ohio S Gauge Club



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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charles E. Smith
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:05 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Coupler height gauge



Yes

Chuck Smith

http://www.trainweb <http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/> .org/chucksmith/

cesmith@netacc. <mailto:cesmith%40netacc.net> net

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From: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com
[mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com] On
Behalf
Of afjerryk5
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:43 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Coupler height gauge

There seems to be a lot of intrest in Kadee couplers,I've
installed 802s on some of my SHS cars.Thought about doing my
reworked/repainted Flyer stuff too.Here's the question.Will the NASG
coupler height gauge work on Flyer track?
Jerry
Hoosier hirailer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45265 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/9/2007
Subject: Re: O Scale Kadees and Flyer knuckles
Hi,

Thanks Alan, that is useful information.

I took the plunge. I converted my Hudson from it's link coupler to a
Kadee #802. I used my Dremel tool to cut the old coupler arm off and
made two shims for the coupler out of 1/16" balsa wood so it mates
with the other conversions I've done. A couple dabs of flat black
paint hides the coupler shims. Five minutes after I did it, I had
absolutely no regrets. It pulls my converted repaints beautifully
and now I don't need a transition car. Here is a link to a pic:

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/bc2b

Otherwise, just go to the end of the photo pages, toggle back to "Tim
Brown's Work In Progress". It's the third pic in this album.

Now I have a couple decisions to make: 1) Do I stick with #802 Kadees
or switch over to 0 gauge Kadees and 2) Do I adopt the NMRA standard
for coupler height.

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45266 From: roy inman Date: 10/9/2007
Subject: Re: Duke energy
Whoops, read it wrong!

I guess our Union Station Kansas City layout, at 60'x80' is pretty large
after all.

Roy Inman

From: Glenn Ritter <gartrain404@...>
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 08:18:53 -0400
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Duke energy


SORRY! But it is 36 1/2' x 47 1/2'
in "O" gauge. I just looked at
their FACs page.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: roy inman
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:31 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Duke energy

Wow, that is some large display!! 361' x 471'. I could not access photos of
the layout, but the information page was interesting stuff.

And we thought our little 60' x 80' Holiday Village layout at Union Station
was big...

Roy Inman

From: Don <niblick_32966@... <mailto:niblick_32966%40yahoo.com> >
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:38:30 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] Duke energy

Site about their large holiday train display. Answers to FAQ's, short
clip and some stills.
www.duke-energy.com/train

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45267 From: Trains Date: 10/9/2007
Subject: Re: Coupler height gauge
AS the ORIGINAL inventor, manufacturer and seller of the "LOEB INVESTMENTS" S Coupler Height Gage, the first and only, S specific designed magnetic coupler height and trip pin clearance gage, the (now NASG) gage will work on any S track regardless of type or rail size.

It was originally designed by me to provide the correct coupler mounting height, the correct trip pin clearance height from top of rail and magnetic uncoupler pad, and as guide to the bottom of car body/coupler draftgear box mounting pad height. The LOEB INVESTMENTS S Coupler Height Gage was designed for the, modified for S with a longer trip pin, HO # 5 Kadee coupler and was deisgned with tolerances to accomodate NMRA, original 7/8" and, at the time, new proposed NASG S track gauge standards. It was made of cast colored plastic (variuos colors) to allow for use on powered track. Therefore it will work on any S standard gauge track whether high rail, AF or scale sized rail.

Now for a little background: The original LOEB INVESTMENTS S Coupler Height Gage was completely invented, designed, engineered, manufactured, advertised in the S Gauge Herald and S Gaugian, and sold nationally and internationaly by me. Jack Troxell provided invaluable technical/engineering assistance and expert machining of the brass master patern for the original. Several RTV molds were made by vacuum casting from original brass master and then colored plastic was cast in the RTV molds under vacuum to create the finished plastic gage, then a modified #5 coupler was added and gages were packaged for retail sales. BY the way, in 1973 Kieth and Dale Edwards (KADEE) threatened me, in person, with massive law suits for (non existant) patent infringements to thier coupler designs, when I visited them, trying to get them to mass produce an exact S scale coupler.

I am the origintor of the gage that after several consequent other owners, manufacturers and design changes is now being offered by the NASG. I sold the LOEB INVESTMENTS line of products, including the famous three point cast brass precision machined S and Sn3 track gages, and the LOEB S Coupler Height Gage, some years ago. I have been told American Models updated the NASG (LOEB) coupler height gage to take the KADEE 802 modified for S, On3 coupler. In addition the NASG placed raised NASG letters on the top of the coupler trip pin height gage surface (defeating the purpose of precise trip pin height adjustment). I do not know who actually is manufcturing the gage now, but I have and use the one sold by the NASG.

DR. K. Loeb (Peter)




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45268 From: ham_45242 Date: 10/10/2007
Subject: AF #591 Crossing Gate
Hello, fellow S-gaugers. Could someone who owns the subject item (the
one with four colored binding posts on the end) tell me that if one
follows Gilbert's hookup instructions (as shown at
http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/diagram/591.gif) is the underside
lamp on all the time even though the gate motor/servo is not being
energized due to a passing train? Photos I've seen of the underside
wiring of the #591 seems to suggest this is the case. Thanks for your
time and comment. Sincerely,
Group: S-Trains Message: 45269 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 10/10/2007
Subject: Pennsylvania ?
Gentlemen,

I just got my new Flyonel Pennsylvania heavyweight passenger car set. I have
several PA engine options to run them with but I was wondering what would be
the appropriate match? I specifically like to run them with my dual AM PA
E8s but haven't been able to find any examples of such a combination in my
small search of my resident literature base and the internet. Any experts
out there on what might be an appropriate engine/car match up.



Regards,

Joe Haughney



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45270 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 10/10/2007
Subject: Re: AF #591 Crossing Gate
Hello,

Yes the light is lit all of the time.

Regards,
Fred



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45271 From: ham_45242 Date: 10/10/2007
Subject: Re: AF #591 Crossing Gate
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, fredstrainparts@... wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Yes the light is lit all of the time.
>
> Regards,
> Fred
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's new at
http://www.aol.com
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Thanks for responding, Fred. I guess Gilbert had a reason for not
wiring the lamp directly in parallel with the gate motor. Maybe for
less stress on the integral relay (track trip) contacts. Sincerely,
Group: S-Trains Message: 45272 From: lember2004 Date: 10/10/2007
Subject: Thanks for replies to question about multiple horns/whistles
I appreciate the replies to my question [post 45147] on Gilbert AF
horns/whistles. The replies gave me many ideas of how to handle
muitiple trains with horns/whistles on the layout at the same time.
Mark
Group: S-Trains Message: 45273 From: Mike Rosz Date: 10/10/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] Re: Blatant SHS commercialism
could I get a list of dealers in the 847 telephone area code>?
Thanks very much.

On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:04:45 -0400 Donald Thompson <don@showcase> writes:
We have uploaded the Fall SHES Update as a .pd download. Included is
information on the upcoming shipment of S Scale America new products and
road names expected this fall.

The SHES Update is at:
http://www.showcaseline.com/updates/V18N2.pdf
<https://webmailcluster.perfora.net/xml/webmail/mailContent;jsessionid=41
F21A1CA65BC0C0B9730371BBDFB7C1.TC135b#>

Latest News
The latest run of reefers arrived today.
http://www.showcaseline.com/Flatcars/Loads/fcwithloads.html
<https://webmailcluster.perfora.net/xml/webmail/mailContent;jsessionid=41
F21A1CA65BC0C0B9730371BBDFB7C1.TC135b#>

With the reefers are the coal loads with snow, #00967 and #00979
American Flyer replacment wheelsets.
http://www.showcaseline.com/Parts/misc_in_stock.html
<https://webmailcluster.perfora.net/xml/webmail/mailContent;jsessionid=41
F21A1CA65BC0C0B9730371BBDFB7C1.TC135b#>

The shipment of flatcars is scheduled to leave from Hong Kong this
weekend and are expected to arrive early November. The 2007 Christmas
car is included in this shipment. The only item not to be sent is the
ACL pulpwood cars.
The Corgi M4A2 Stuart tanks are at our distributors warehouse. They
moved last week buy assured me they would be sent the following week.
Once the PRR flatcars arrive, we will be sending out those tanks on
flatcars.
http://www.showcaseline.com/Flatcars/Loads/fcwithloads.html
<https://webmailcluster.perfora.net/xml/webmail/mailContent;jsessionid=41
F21A1CA65BC0C0B9730371BBDFB7C1.TC135b#>

The new pickup trucks featured in the SHS Update have been re-ordered
and are expected back in stock next week.
Best regards,
Don

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45274 From: detmer@charter.net Date: 10/11/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] Re: Blatant SHS commercialism
Dear Mike,

Buying at a local dealer is always good because we like to support them. You also have the option of ordering directing from Don at SHS, which couldn't be easier. Just order on-line or send an email if you've dealt with them before. The folks at SHS are great. IMHO. I don't have an ownership interest in SHS! I just like their products and their service.

I also recommend joining the new S Club that they've established to get automatic emails about products and newsletters, etc. There is no cost involved (other than getting enticed to buy new products!).

Tom


---- Mike Rosz <n9guy@...> wrote:
could I get a list of dealers in the 847 telephone area code>?
Thanks very much.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45275 From: Tom Kaufman Date: 10/12/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3813
I tend to agree. I have been trying to get AF switch controllers, but have had hard time finding them at train shows. I clicked on the SHS website, and saw exactly wahat I was looking for and at a fraction of the cost. Looking at the website I also saw other items of interest. I do have a dealer (H&R Trains) that I do business with, and so I will give Alice the business as long as she stocks this line. If she ever stops I can revert to shopping on the web. Thomas Kaufman

----- Original Message ----
From: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 6:06:19 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 3813

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1a. Re: [Strains] Re: Blatant SHS commercialism
Posted by: "detmer@..." detmer@... detmer5694
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:21 am ((PDT))

Dear Mike,

Buying at a local dealer is always good because we like to support them. You also have the option of ordering directing from Don at SHS, which couldn't be easier. Just order on-line or send an email if you've dealt with them before. The folks at SHS are great. IMHO. I don't have an ownership interest in SHS! I just like their products and their service.

I also recommend joining the new S Club that they've established to get automatic emails about products and newsletters, etc. There is no cost involved (other than getting enticed to buy new products!).

Tom


---- Mike Rosz <n9guy@...> wrote:
could I get a list of dealers in the 847 telephone area code>?
Thanks very much.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45276 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 10/12/2007
Subject: Buying at a local dealer
He may be 2000 miles away but he is my local " S "dealer, Doug
at Portline. He can answer any and all questions.
Jerry TCA HR 77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 45277 From: yorktown26 Date: 10/12/2007
Subject: Re: My new Lionel American Flyer Milwaukee Road Northern
Carl , Thanks for all your help again.
I believe I have found the answer to my low smoke problem. It's in
the transformer. I was using only an A F 15 volt unit and the smoke
improved a lot when I switched to a 17 Volt MRC transformer.(The
Lionel manual says to use between 6 to 18 volts for the Northern)
This also improved my unmodified Litte Docksider. "More Juice ", I
now consider the Northern, Great,

Dennis

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Tuveson" <carl@...> wrote:
>
> Dennis,
>
> That is probably the best approach for now.
> Nag Lionel about the lousy smoke!!!
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of yorktown26
> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 8:15 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: My new Lionel American Flyer Milwaukee Road
> Northern
>
> Many Thanks Carl, I have seen your Hints and Tips site many times
and
> it is wonderful.
> I understand your modifications, but I do not wish to void the
Lionel
> warranty at this time. I'll probably contact Lionel and ask for a
> fix,If enough people complain, maybe they will comply like they did
> with the Choo Choo sqweek fix.
>
> Dennis
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Tuveson" <carl@> wrote:
> >
> > Dennis,
> >
> >
> > I cover modifying the smoke unit on my web site to improve the
> smoke output
> > at: http://www.tuveson.com/NorthernSmoke/improving_the_smoke.htm
> >
> >
> > Carl
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On
> > Behalf Of yorktown26
> > Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 7:14 PM
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [S-Trains] My new Lionel American Flyer Milwaukee Road
> Northern
> >
> >
> > Hi Guys, I just got the new Northern and it's a beauty.
> > It runs great looks great and has a lot of pulling power. The
chow
> chow
> > Squeek,
> > is gone, as Lionel had promised to rectify this from the earlier
UP
> > versions, and the Railsounds are great.
> > Then there is the problem with Smoke which is still weak.
> > I let the engine sit on the track in neutral with full power
> > for a minute or 2 and this heats up the smoke unit, which will
give
> > modest smoke as the train pulls out provided you keep the power
up.
> > I have mine pulling 15 cars , otherwise the engine would be
> > doing 90 Miles per hour.
> >
> > Does Anybody else have the same problem ??
> > Thanks,
> > Dennis Caruso
> >
> >
> >
> > Enjoy thousands of great photos
> > at http://S-Scale.org/albums
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>
>
>
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://S-Scale.org/albums
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45278 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/12/2007
Subject: Billboard
Back in August, I asked some question on what kind of glue to use on a wooden kit, I got back in the mid 1990's.

Since I did not have a layout I never got around to making that billboard.

I got the billboard from Doug Peck's booth at a antique shop in Wells, Maine on the way to Acadia National Park, where I am suppose to be right now!

But as I am about to start on a layout after York, I decided it was time to built it and I got allot of good answers on my question.

Well, since I had some time on my hands in September due to the bike accident, I tackle it, as to many of you, building this billboard would be easy, but to me, who is great at messing things up, I had some Elmer's white glue, got some forest green craft paint, got out my exacto, as I am sure that is not spelled right, knife kit and tackle this thing head on. O:)! And so I began this quest to built this billboard.

And to my surprise, I was able to cut the wood to the right sizes and glue it together just fine. Painted it, got some wrinkle free glue for the paper billboard sign and now it is ready for the layout.

So now maybe I will tackle those HO kits I got in 1974! I like to take my time on these projects. LOL

Ahh, I see the big bucks for those kits on Ebay. Right.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45279 From: bw_hansen Date: 10/12/2007
Subject: HAR#5 set question
Did the Lionel HAR#5 SP set come in a specific box? Thanks.

Bruce
Group: S-Trains Message: 45280 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 10/13/2007
Subject: Reliance Train Show at York Pa
Respected members of this list;

It's time again to make the journey to York. I'm happy to report that there
are more "S" dealers here at the Reliance than the last time. There are
only about 8 tables of those other trains. All but 2 dealers involved in those
other trains decided to re-locate to the Springettsbury Hall for this show.
Also, there are 4 tables available for more "S" as of this posting.

For anyone who may need to know, here are the particulars for the event;

Reliance Fire Hall at West York Fire Co.
1341 West Market Street, 1/2 block east of Highland Ave.
October 15, 16, & 17 (Mon, Tues, Wed) 9am-6pm
Free admission, food available

Dealers admitted for set-up on Sunday October 14 from noon to 5pm

All of the above also applies to the Springettsbury Fire Co show on the East
side of York. There is table space available for any of your
Lionel/Marx/H-O friends that may want to attend.

For further information call Fred @ 888-494-5821

Regards, and thank-you for your time,
Fred





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45281 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 10/13/2007
Subject: Re: HAR#5 set question
In a message dated 10/12/2007 10:01:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bwhanse1@... writes:




Did the Lionel HAR#5 SP set come in a specific box? Thanks.

Bruce







No set box for this one...it just came in a pile....Fred



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45282 From: William C, Johnson Date: 10/13/2007
Subject: Re: Duke energy
The Duke Energy layout is a favorite of mine. I grew up in greater
Cincinnati and it was an annual tradition to see the B&O layout from
the first holiday season it arrived at the CG&E lobby as it was known
then until I left the area to join the USAF. Since I was employed by
General Railway Signal Company for ten years in Rochester, Ny, I came
to appreciate the layout even more than I did as a boy. It is scale
in every way, even to the way the block signals work. Unlike Lionel
with a third rail down the center of the track, power was supplied by
an elevated third rail like prototype subways use. To say that I was
fascinated by it would be an understatement. I could watch it for
hours and not get bored. In my mind, this layout set the standard
that caused my American Flyer trains to look more like scale models
than did the competition. And yes, the layout is large but not as
large as the original statement.

Bill Johnson

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
>
> Wow, that is some large display!! 361' x 471'. I could not access
photos of
> the layout, but the information page was interesting stuff.
>
> And we thought our little 60' x 80' Holiday Village layout at Union
Station
> was big...
>
> Roy Inman
>
> From: Don <niblick_32966@...>
> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:38:30 +0000
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Duke energy
>
>
> Site about their large holiday train display. Answers to FAQ's,
short
> clip and some stills.
> www.duke-energy.com/train
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45283 From: bphent Date: 10/13/2007
Subject: Backdrop results
Hi Group;
By now quite a few modellers in S scale have acquired one or more of
our first 2 S-scale backdrop kits - U030, Midtown, and U032, Downtown
Alley. We are deliberating production of more S scale scenes, and would
appreciate some feedback (photos are also welcome) on results achieved.

Les Mavor,
www.sceniking.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 45284 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 10/13/2007
Subject: Re: Reliance Train Show at York Pa
Thanks Fred, see ya up there.

Harwood



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45285 From: Scale S Only Date: 10/13/2007
Subject: Re: Backdrop results
Hi Les --

I would think that you could do well with an Appalachian coal country (no
buildings) backdrop.

Bill Winans
Prescott Valley, AZ

Hi Group;
We are deliberating production of more S scale scenes, and would
appreciate some feedback (photos are also welcome) on results achieved.

Les Mavor,
www.sceniking.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 45287 From: louis glumac Date: 10/13/2007
Subject: Re:
eric contact me off list about your listing lglumac@...
----- Original Message -----
From: ER
To: AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com ; s-scale@yahoogroups.com ; S-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 6:50 PM
Subject: [S-Trains]


I ended up with 2 "S" items that are extra and I am looking to sell.

Both are new in their boxes.

#1) American Models 4-8-4 Northern in Milwaukee colors, DC Hi Rail
version. ***NEW*** $275 shipped to you in USA48 (list is $369+ship) I do
have an AM Electronic reverse unit I could throw in for a small fee.

#2) A set of 3 S Helper #01172 Panel Side Hopper cars in Canadian National
paint. ***NEW*** $65 shipped to you in USA48. (list is $99 +ship)

#3)I also picked up a few of Lionel o gauge items from the mid 50's. A
gantry crane and an automated station with the 2 moving trucks. Both used
but in their original boxes. Also a milk car and a couple others. Let me
know if you have an interest. I may trade for SHS/AM stuff.

I may trade for SHS/AM Great Northern stuff also..

Thanks for looking

Cashiers check, Money order, Paypal work. Maybe a personal check if I know
you or you are TCA.

Eric Reis

Kenmore, Wa.

TCA,NASG, EBAY

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45288 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/13/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/14/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45289 From: george leidinger Date: 10/13/2007
Subject: Re: My new Lionel American Flyer Milwaukee Road Northern
Dennis look for outputamps/wattage NOTvoltage

yorktown26 <yorktown26@...> wrote: Carl , Thanks for all your help again.
I believe I have found the answer to my low smoke problem. It's in
the transformer. I was using only an A F 15 volt unit and the smoke
improved a lot when I switched to a 17 Volt MRC transformer.(The
Lionel manual says to use between 6 to 18 volts for the Northern)
This also improved my unmodified Litte Docksider. "More Juice ", I
now consider the Northern, Great,

Dennis

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Tuveson" <carl@...> wrote:
>
> Dennis,
>
> That is probably the best approach for now.
> Nag Lionel about the lousy smoke!!!
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of yorktown26
> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 8:15 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: My new Lionel American Flyer Milwaukee Road
> Northern
>
> Many Thanks Carl, I have seen your Hints and Tips site many times
and
> it is wonderful.
> I understand your modifications, but I do not wish to void the
Lionel
> warranty at this time. I'll probably contact Lionel and ask for a
> fix,If enough people complain, maybe they will comply like they did
> with the Choo Choo sqweek fix.
>
> Dennis
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Tuveson" <carl@> wrote:
> >
> > Dennis,
> >
> >
> > I cover modifying the smoke unit on my web site to improve the
> smoke output
> > at: http://www.tuveson.com/NorthernSmoke/improving_the_smoke.htm
> >
> >
> > Carl
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On
> > Behalf Of yorktown26
> > Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 7:14 PM
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [S-Trains] My new Lionel American Flyer Milwaukee Road
> Northern
> >
> >
> > Hi Guys, I just got the new Northern and it's a beauty.
> > It runs great looks great and has a lot of pulling power. The
chow
> chow
> > Squeek,
> > is gone, as Lionel had promised to rectify this from the earlier
UP
> > versions, and the Railsounds are great.
> > Then there is the problem with Smoke which is still weak.
> > I let the engine sit on the track in neutral with full power
> > for a minute or 2 and this heats up the smoke unit, which will
give
> > modest smoke as the train pulls out provided you keep the power
up.
> > I have mine pulling 15 cars , otherwise the engine would be
> > doing 90 Miles per hour.
> >
> > Does Anybody else have the same problem ??
> > Thanks,
> > Dennis Caruso
> >
> >
> >
> > Enjoy thousands of great photos
> > at http://S-Scale.org/albums
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>
>
>
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://S-Scale.org/albums
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45290 From: ER Date: 10/13/2007
Subject: FW: {S-Scale List} "S" Stuff for Sale, cheap
I ended up with 2 "S" items that are extra and I am looking to sell.

Both are new in their boxes.

#1) American Models 4-8-4 Northern in Milwaukee colors, DC Hi Rail
version. ***NEW*** $275 shipped to you in USA48 (list is $369+ship) I do
have an AM Electronic reverse unit I could throw in for a small fee.

#2) A set of 3 S Helper #01172 Panel Side Hopper cars in Canadian National
paint. ***NEW*** $65 shipped to you in USA48. (list is $99 +ship)

#3)I also picked up a few of Lionel O gauge items from the mid 50's. A
gantry crane and an automated station with the 2 moving trucks. Both used
but in their original boxes. Also a milk car and a couple others. Let me
know if you have an interest. I may trade for SHS/AM stuff.

I may trade for SHS/AM Great Northern stuff also..

Thanks for looking

Cashiers check, Money order, Paypal work. Maybe a personal check if I know
you or you are TCA.

Eric Reis
northline@...
Kenmore, Wa.

TCA,NASG, EBAY
Group: S-Trains Message: 45291 From: beebear Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Re: FW: {S-Scale List} "S" Stuff for Sale, cheap
HI Eric
If you ever run across a set of Norfolk Southern diesels from AM a at good price let me know!!

I had a chance to buy 2 sets several weeks ago but the guy didn't take plastic and I didn't have the cash
to cover it at the time!!

John

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45292 From: ER Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Re: FW: {S-Scale List} "S" Stuff for Sale, cheap
Hi John: Hope the stuff I sold you is doing well, I have not seen any of
those, I friend was looking for some and never saw any out there either.
We actually see the real things around here on the BN lines. You might talk
to Ron at AM. He is supposedly going to make another run of SD 60's and
knowing more people are interested might help. Try this email:
rbashista@... he is also more negotiable then he lets on sometimes.



eric



-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of beebear
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 4:05 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] FW: {S-Scale List} "S" Stuff for Sale, cheap



HI Eric
If you ever run across a set of Norfolk Southern diesels from AM a at good
price let me know!!

I had a chance to buy 2 sets several weeks ago but the guy didn't take
plastic and I didn't have the cash
to cover it at the time!!

John

_._,___

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45293 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/14/2007, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday October 14, 2007
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45294 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Fw: I have Returned!
Thought I would share this email to the C&O Canal group I am on, as there is some interesting things about my accident, as we spoke to a Park Ranger yesterday.

The main reason why I sent this to the train group, is because we did get out to Williamsport, MD to see the RR Lift Bridge, which was very neat to see. It is the smallest RR Lift Bridge ever made and it is in great shape. They hope to restore it soon.

If any one wants some pictures of it, send me a email off the list. I will wait a few days and sent out one email of pictures to all who want them.

I think a nice AF 21129 Hudson on the bridge would look nice on it.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: coTowpath@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 3:03 PM
Subject: I have Returned!


Just as General Douglas McArther once said about returning somewhere, I too have return somewhere after a bad experience and it was the C&O Canal. O:)!

But we ended up yesterday, 50 miles above Point of Rock, the scene of the accident, to Williamsport, MD, as someone sent to the list a article that Andrew Schotz of the Hagerstown newspaper when he wrote about the restoration of the RR lift bridge over the canal. We have seen this before, but really wanted to see it again, due to the article, since I am a train buff also. The funny thing about Mr. Schotz, I actually met him in June , on the DC metro going home from a Washington Nationals game. Small world.

I have been walking about 3 miles a day, as riding is still out, so we thought to take a walk also on the canal, as sometimes walking on the canal is just as enjoyable as riding, but at a much slower pace and more time to observe the surroundings on the tow path.

We arrive at the visitors center, as we had a nice talk with the lady volunteer. It seems the Park Service has a neat program for people to do volunteer work at visitor centers across the country as they paid for your camp fee for a RV. I did not know about this program and that seems interesting to me when I retire.

I am walking with a cane for support, as walking short distance it is not needed. We saw a woman Park Ranger and I went up to her and ask her how things at Point of Rocks where. I then explained to her what had happen. It turns out she is in charge of repairs and she was glad to see me, as she told me, I was the talk of the town with all the rangers. I told how Pepper Scotto email the list, on the future plans to get cars off of that section and how she would get this wash out fixed. The ranger knew Pepper, as I do not recall her name. I did on her name badge that she is able to help German speaking people. She also knows Ranger Mario and volunteer Jerry of the WMD RT. Small world again.

She told me that they talked on how I would be dead if not for the helmet and that they where please that I had the helmet on. They and I see so many people on the canal without the helmets as we did yesterday.

She did tell me about a 12 year old girl who is very lucky today to be alive. She was riding with out a helmet, not paying attention and strayed off the towpath. I am not sure what side she went into, the canal bed or the Potomac River side, but she went off the towpath with such force that her tied shoes came off. She gashed her head wide open. Again, the Ranger said she is very lucky to be alive.

The other thing she told us, is that someone else fell with their bike at the same wash out on the road, as you could not see it going North. South yes. She did not tell us the extend of injuries, as it was reported. I am not sure if it was before or after. She told the Park Service got that area fixed up real quick, which is a good thing.

We then parted and headed to the RR Lift Bridge which is very interesting. As the article said, it was built in 1923, used once, and then the canal closed. There are still a little house on top of the bridge for the operator, pulley's and cables and the steel framing looks to be in good shape. The RR Bed on the bridge, still has tracks, as there is plywood over the ties. There is some RR track still there, including a old crossover and a very badly abandon tree grown curve switch line for the crossover, so that the train could go from one track to the other, if it did not want to cross over the canal. This is the shortest RR Lift bridge in the world.

Also interesting is a old Truss Bridge a little further south of the RR Bridge. It was built in 1879 by a Wendell Bollman, the inventor of using trussing for bridges. This is the only surviving Truss Bridge left built by Mr. Bollman. It replace a wooden bridge built in 1834, as the stone piers for the bridge are the original of 1834.

So then we started to do our walk North. Sadly, as we where on the "towpath" part of the Cinococheague Aqueduct two bikes coming south decided to ride on the towpath and not walk, like the signs so to before the aqueduct. Here I am with a cane, very narrow walkout for double traffic. One guy nearly ran into me, as he was clearly having problems with balance on the uneven aqueduct towpath. Not only could they have knock us over, but they had no helmet, as I have a picture of them coming towards us. I never thought in my 17 years of riding the canal every weekend I would have a fall, as you never know. It there risk and anyone else who does not wear a helmet. And we saw a ton of people without helmets.

Anyway, we walked up to mile 101 and by the time we got back to the car, we had walked 4.14 miles. I was hurting a bit, but it was great to be out and about. Once we got to sit, as we had a 50 minute ride home, it was fine.

I am hoping to riding very soon.

Oh, the other building by the Cushwa Brick Company Building was a power plant for the Williamsport Trolley line. I had no idea that Williamsport hand a trolley system.\

I hope this was not too long.

Oh, I did contact President Linden of the C&O Canal Association, as I hope they will put something about helmets in a newsletter. Not that I want attention to me, but I want people to know how serious it can be if you fall. Again, my helmet saved my life, as I never dream with my experience in riding that would happen, as sometimes you just don't see anything or you can predict what someone else might due to close a accident.

Thanks.

Mike Marmer
Germantown, MD

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45295 From: Ed Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Re: FW: {S-Scale List} "S" Stuff for Sale, cheap
Hi;

If you really want the items and the pricing is right, if you really
want to buy with the plastic and they don't accept plastic, all you have to
do is use one of those 3 or 4 checks the credit card company sends you each
month and send them the check. It is charged against your credit card as a
cash advance. Costs are charged to you. Again, how bad did you want it.

Another option if they won't accept a check, but will accept a money
order or certified check, go to your bank with the check and get a money
order or certified check.

There are many ways to skin that cat.

Ironhorse Eddie


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of beebear
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 4:05 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] FW: {S-Scale List} "S" Stuff for Sale, cheap



HI Eric
If you ever run across a set of Norfolk Southern diesels from AM a at good
price let me know!!

I had a chance to buy 2 sets several weeks ago but the guy didn't take
plastic and I didn't have the cash
to cover it at the time!!

John

_._,___

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45296 From: Phil K Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Re: FW: {S-Scale List} "S" Stuff for Sale, cheap
I agree with Ed.

I can't tell you how stupid a seller looks when he has items on his
table for $300 to $2000 and won't accept a check or credit card. Does
he expect everyone at a show to be carrying that kind of cash?

I've also tried to make major purchases from people who want cash only
and refuse to give me a receipt -- so I nixed the deal. Or they first
try to give me a blank receipt -- one that lacks their proper
identification information.

That's a good way to advertise you are a tax cheat.

Phil K

**************************************************************
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ed" <ejenterp@...> wrote:
>
> Hi;
>
> If you really want the items and the pricing is right, if you
really
> want to buy with the plastic and they don't accept plastic, all you
have to
> do is use one of those 3 or 4 checks the credit card company sends
you each
> month and send them the check. It is charged against your credit
card as a
> cash advance. Costs are charged to you. Again, how bad did you want
it.
>
> Another option if they won't accept a check, but will accept a
money
> order or certified check, go to your bank with the check and get a
money
> order or certified check.
>
> There are many ways to skin that cat.
>
> Ironhorse Eddie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of beebear
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 4:05 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] FW: {S-Scale List} "S" Stuff for Sale, cheap
>
>
>
> HI Eric
> If you ever run across a set of Norfolk Southern diesels from AM a
at good
> price let me know!!
>
> I had a chance to buy 2 sets several weeks ago but the guy didn't
take
> plastic and I didn't have the cash
> to cover it at the time!!
>
> John
>
> _._,___
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45297 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Re: FW: {S-Scale List} "S" Stuff for Sale, cheap
Phil,
Do you still have the 4-8-4? Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45298 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Williamsport, MD
One other tidbit about the canal at Williamsport I forgot to mention, is that coal was transported down the canal to Williamsport and then loaded on to trains for shipment to Baltimore.

And I hope the biker who was camping enjoyed the pizza he had in that pizza box strapped to his gear.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45299 From: beebear Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Train shows
I guess I didn't understand. The guy had a huge display ( 5-8 tables) of SHS and AM stuff and I was willing
to lay down the plastic for $600+ and he said ..."NO ... Cash only!" I don't know about you all but I usually
dont carry much more than $200+ to shows not knowing that I will find any "S" trains. That was the best
deal I had to pass up. I don't use checks too much any more either... too much paperwork and hassle

John


----- Original Message -----
From: Phil K
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:48 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: FW: {S-Scale List} "S" Stuff for Sale, cheap


I agree with Ed.

I can't tell you how stupid a seller looks when he has items on his
table for $300 to $2000 and won't accept a check or credit card. Does
he expect everyone at a show to be carrying that kind of cash?

I've also tried to make major purchases from people who want cash only
and refuse to give me a receipt -- so I nixed the deal. Or they first
try to give me a blank receipt -- one that lacks their proper
identification information.

That's a good way to advertise you are a tax cheat.

Phil K

**************************************************************
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ed" <ejenterp@...> wrote:
>
> Hi;
>
> If you really want the items and the pricing is right, if you
really
> want to buy with the plastic and they don't accept plastic, all you
have to
> do is use one of those 3 or 4 checks the credit card company sends
you each
> month and send them the check. It is charged against your credit
card as a
> cash advance. Costs are charged to you. Again, how bad did you want
it.
>
> Another option if they won't accept a check, but will accept a
money
> order or certified check, go to your bank with the check and get a
money
> order or certified check.
>
> There are many ways to skin that cat.
>
> Ironhorse Eddie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of beebear
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 4:05 AM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] FW: {S-Scale List} "S" Stuff for Sale, cheap
>
>
>
> HI Eric
> If you ever run across a set of Norfolk Southern diesels from AM a
at good
> price let me know!!
>
> I had a chance to buy 2 sets several weeks ago but the guy didn't
take
> plastic and I didn't have the cash
> to cover it at the time!!
>
> John
>
> _._,___
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45300 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Re: was "S" Stuff for Sale, cheap - Now MODERATOR CHANGE THE DEFAUL
Moderator, this thread has been going on way too long with personal emails
being sent to the group. This is a result of the default being changed last
week. Please change it back. Or get busy monitoring it and stop these pesonal
messages from being sent to everyone.

- Earl Henry, Nashville

*******************************************************

REPLY -- I'm not getting any more personal emails than before, Earl. Not one. They would first come through S-Trains moderators for approval and I have seen none except for the one from Louis Glumac responding to Eric Reis, which was marginally passable.

The default for Yahoo groups is all messages are sent to the board first (if moderated) and not to individuals. Many members are set up to visit the S-Trains board on Yahoo and NOT get the individual emails. Some only request to receive the Daily Digest.

I belong to seven other Yahoo Groups and they all work that way. Only two people -- TWO -- have complained about the change here. Two of over 1300 members. THE MAIN INTENT OF THESE YAHOO GROUPS IS TO EXCHANGE INFORMATION AND COMMUNICATE THOUGHTS AND IDEAS FOR EVERYONE TO SEE ON THE SITE YAHOO HAS PROVIDED, NOT BETWEEN CLIQUES OF INDIVIDUALS USING OFFLINE EMAILS.

If you'd like, I'll be happy to change your settings and you can visit the S-Trains board through Yahoo as is intended using the following link. Those who don't want any emails can bookmark the location and change their member option:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/messages

And I'll thank you to refrain from telling us to "get busy moderating" and "stop these messages from being sent to everyone". Because everyone isn't getting them -- at least not via this moderated board. Even if you are getting extra emails, Earl, then complain to the senders. Jeez, what a terrible inconvenience to have to hit the delete button a few extra times a day.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 45301 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
John, if you are going to train shows you better take cash or checks. Most
dealers today only take those. Same for York. I've been selling for 25 years,
never take plastic. Now a lot of the dealers in the Toyota hall at York are
set up to take credit cards.

Harwood
Group: S-Trains Message: 45302 From: Trains Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
A reply to all, reference selling at train shows!

#1. It is understood that all sales are on a cash basis at any train show, period.
#2. Those commercial enteprises that wish to use credit cards (hobby shops/manufactureres and other actual retailers) may do so..it does cost them a percentage of their sales and additional fees. Some shows offer a credit card service for vendors for a charge and percentage of sales.
#3. I would never accept a check from anyone I did not know personally...you are asking for fraud and non payment if you do...after all a dealer at a train show is often a mom/pop hobbiest and not a BANK.
#4. Most locations that have train shows have ATM's and a limited amount of extra cash can be obtained that way.
#5. Some dealers will accept a cash down payment and be willing to "hold" or send you your items upon recieving total amount... one will have to trust that arrangement..reciepts and documentation of amount paid and owed must be made.

I have been to train shows as a dealer and participant all over the US from Jacksonville, FL to Seatle, WA, and from Fargo, ND to Houston, TX and know that CASH is the method of payment that is understood to be the rule, ONLY under very exceptional circumstances will a dealer accept checks...usually with extensive document back-up, including current membership in various toy train organizations, and some references to vouch for individual.

Credit Cards are the most expensive option for the dealer and do not offer any guarantee of payment to the dealer. So the only sure bet for a dealer is cash baby.

If you really want to wheel and deal...cash is the only way to go!

Remember a fool is the one who accepts a check, and gets ripped off by the credit card companys comming and going.

Dr. K. Loeb (Peter)


----- Original Message -----
From: beebear
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:58 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Train shows


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45303 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
Hi - things must be different down here in Australia. Here there are
Automatic Teller Machines everywhere, and almost alwauys at public
shows and meets. If you need cash you just put your card in them and
get it out. The transaction charge is worth the convenience of not
having wallets full of cash.Alistair
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote:
>
> John, if you are going to train shows you better take cash or
checks. Most
> dealers today only take those. Same for York. I've been selling for
25 years,
> never take plastic. Now a lot of the dealers in the Toyota hall at
York are
> set up to take credit cards.
>
> Harwood
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45304 From: Phil K Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
And so the buyers can take it or leave it on those $$$$ items at
trains shows. Because I never carry more than $400 or so.

BTW, I always request to see a vendor's state sales tax certificate
when they want me to pay an additional 7 to 8 percent sales tax on my
purchase. And I always make a show of writing down their number and
information. I won't pay it unless they show the the original
certificate, not a photocopy. In Illinois, the original must be by
law prominently displayed in the place of business -- which would
include the hall at a train show.

I do the same on eBay for sellers that don't have brick-and-
mortar "stores". I suppose we all get hosed pretty good sometimes on
outrageous "shipping and handling" fees on ebay, let alone
another 7 percent on "sales tax" that never makes it to the state
treasury.

Phil K

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Trains" <rr4u@...> wrote:
>
> A reply to all, reference selling at train shows!
>
> #1. It is understood that all sales are on a cash basis at any
train show, period.
> #2. Those commercial enteprises that wish to use credit cards
(hobby shops/manufactureres and other actual retailers) may do so..it
does cost them a percentage of their sales and additional fees. Some
shows offer a credit card service for vendors for a charge and
percentage of sales.
> #3. I would never accept a check from anyone I did not know
personally...you are asking for fraud and non payment if you
do...after all a dealer at a train show is often a mom/pop hobbiest
and not a BANK.
> #4. Most locations that have train shows have ATM's and a limited
amount of extra cash can be obtained that way.
> #5. Some dealers will accept a cash down payment and be willing
to "hold" or send you your items upon recieving total amount... one
will have to trust that arrangement..reciepts and documentation of
amount paid and owed must be made.
>
> I have been to train shows as a dealer and participant all over the
US from Jacksonville, FL to Seatle, WA, and from Fargo, ND to
Houston, TX and know that CASH is the method of payment that is
understood to be the rule, ONLY under very exceptional circumstances
will a dealer accept checks...usually with extensive document back-
up, including current membership in various toy train organizations,
and some references to vouch for individual.
>
> Credit Cards are the most expensive option for the dealer and do
not offer any guarantee of payment to the dealer. So the only sure
bet for a dealer is cash baby.
>
> If you really want to wheel and deal...cash is the only way to go!
>
> Remember a fool is the one who accepts a check, and gets ripped off
by the credit card companys comming and going.
>
> Dr. K. Loeb (Peter)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: beebear
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:58 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Train shows
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45305 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Re: was "S" Stuff for Sale, cheap - Now MODERATOR CHANGE THE DEFA..
Sorry Earl,
I sent my reply to the group as I did not have Eric's
address. Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 45306 From: Tom Hawley Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
This is an interesting discussion. I was involved in a similar situation
recently, but from the other side of the tables. I will respond to John's
message first, then to Phil's

----- Original Message -----
From : beebear [John]
. . . . . . .The guy had a huge display ( 5-8 tables) of SHS and AM stuff
> > > > >
I had 10 tables, AM, SHS, and other brands of S
< < < < <
. . . . . . .and he said ..."NO ... Cash only!"
> > > > >
Couldn't have been me, My line is "Cash, checks, or Michigan returnable
bottles."
< < < < <
. . . . . . . I usually don't carry much more than $200+ to shows not
knowing that I will find any "S" trains.
> > > > >
That's understandable.
< < < < <
I don't use checks too much any more either... too much paperwork and hassle
> > > > >
That's NOT understandable.

I go to local stores where they have scores of returned/rejected checks
taped up at the cash register; yet at train shows I frequently take a chance
on checks from people I've never seen before. And when it's someone I know
from previous dealings, I might tell them to take the item and mail me a
check within two weeks. In the incident I have in mind, I showed the
gentleman where an ATM machine was, almost within view. For some reason
that wouldn't work for him either. I consider model railroaders to be
generally honest and trust-worthy, and I've only been stuck with one bum
check, and that was from a "friend" of mine.

< < < < < < < < <
< < < < < < < < <
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil K
I can't tell you how stupid a seller looks when he has items on his table
for $300 to $2000 and won't accept a check or credit card.
> > > > > > >
If I look stupid, it's because I was born that way. I have looked into
taking credit cards, and the percentage they want, plus the equipment I'd
have to get are just too much. But as indicated above, I accept checks.
< < < < < < <
I've also tried to make major purchases from people who want cash only and
refuse to give me a receipt . . . . . . . . That's a good way to advertise
you are a tax cheat.
> > > > > > >
I think I'm one of the few dealers at these train shows who does give you a
written, itemized receipt with my name, address, phone number. Every penny
that I collected that day in sales tax will be sent, before the due date, to
the treasury of the state where I was. So whomever you're talking about
above wasn't me.

Incidentally, I will probably still have the locomotives at issue at a
forthcoming train show within driving distance. But I still won't take your
credit card.

Tom Hawley
Michigan Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 45307 From: Phil K Date: 10/14/2007
Subject: Replying when you don't know the person's email address
Mike --

If you want to respond to someone here privately and don't have their
email address, go back to one of their original posts and reply to the
author instead of the group. It will get to them.

Phil K

**********************************************
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
>
> Sorry Earl,
> I sent my reply to the group as I did not have
Eric's
> address. Mike
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45308 From: Tom Hawley Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Re: AF switch controllers
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Kaufman
. . . . I have been trying to get AF switch controllers, but have had hard
time finding them at train shows. . . . . .
> > > > > > >
That's interesting to know. When SHS first brought out their turnouts with
the AF-like controllers for them, I bought a bunch of extra controllers.
I've taken them to hundreds of train shows and haven't sold one yet. Guess
I have to figures out how to advertise & display the obscure items better.
Tom Hawley
Lansing Mich
Group: S-Trains Message: 45309 From: Howard Sheffield Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
Group

I find this interesting about the shows and money.. A lot of good
points have been made here.

When I started doing the train shows, I didn't take credit cards
because of the expenses. Not only do the card companies take a
percentage of the sales in expenses, but it adds to the bookkeeping.
As a dealer, that really cut into profits. On top of that, most
people seem to think you owe them a discount or else they will shop
out of state and save the taxes. No matter that the freight may be
more than the taxes would be. Add in the cost of the tables and
entry fees, the cost of gas and motels, and so forth and you can see
why less and less dealers are interested in doing shows. When trying
to get mfrs and dealers to come to the big O and S scale show in
Santa Clara, CA, I find these expenses to be the most common reasons
not to come.

Now that I take ccs and checks, business has picked up, but the
profit on these sales is less after the expenses meaning that more
business is needed to cover costs. Credit cards are a fact of life
today and a lot of people don't carry checks for that reason. Bad
checks can really ruin a day but fortunately there have been few
problems. I think my biggest worry was taking a travelers check for
$500 form a Chinese gentleman who couldn't speak English and had it
made out in Chinese characters. There is now an SHS Santa Fe F unit
with SHS and American Models cars running around somewhere in China.
Sometimes we dealers just go on face value and trust and it works out.

As to the taxes, every show that I go to in California requires that
a valid resellers permit be on file with the show if you sell as a
dealer. Only casual sellers don't need one but usually get a
temporary permit at the show. Just as Tom has said, every cent I
collect goes to the state. Life is tough enough without audits and a
guilty conscience.

Yes, we sometimes don't give receipts when a person doesn't want
one. Some people refuse to take the ones we make out as they don't
want the paper to deal with. There are a lot of customers who are
the wheeler dealers and want to hand you a couple of bills and get
you to accept a discount or they won't do business. That may or may
not work for them but that is also part of doing business and being
flexible to stay afloat. We still pay the taxes there too. It is
easier to reverse out taxes from cash sales after the show than to
figure pennies when there is a line of people to deal with. I don't
think I have done a show yet where a wheeler dealer hasn't come up
after the show closed and the cash box is packed to make a last ditch
cash offer on something. I often figure the taxes into a sales price
prior to the shows to speed up things. My wife likes to keep it
simple this way as she does most of the money collections. Don't
assume that people are cheats just because you don't understand how
they do their business.

In all, I think you have to evaluate each seller in their own light
before you make judgments.

Trying to keep those S trains rollin
Howard Sheffield
Howard' S Trains



On Oct 14, 2007, at 8:03 PM, Phil K wrote:

> And so the buyers can take it or leave it on those $$$$ items at
> trains shows. Because I never carry more than $400 or so.
>
> BTW, I always request to see a vendor's state sales tax certificate
> when they want me to pay an additional 7 to 8 percent sales tax on my
> purchase. And I always make a show of writing down their number and
> information. I won't pay it unless they show the the original
> certificate, not a photocopy. In Illinois, the original must be by
> law prominently displayed in the place of business -- which would
> include the hall at a train show.
>
> I do the same on eBay for sellers that don't have brick-and-
> mortar "stores". I suppose we all get hosed pretty good sometimes on
> outrageous "shipping and handling" fees on ebay, let alone
> another 7 percent on "sales tax" that never makes it to the state
> treasury.
>
> Phil K
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Trains" <rr4u@...> wrote:
> >
> > A reply to all, reference selling at train shows!
> >
> > #1. It is understood that all sales are on a cash basis at any
> train show, period.
> > #2. Those commercial enteprises that wish to use credit cards
> (hobby shops/manufactureres and other actual retailers) may do so..it
> does cost them a percentage of their sales and additional fees. Some
> shows offer a credit card service for vendors for a charge and
> percentage of sales.
> > #3. I would never accept a check from anyone I did not know
> personally...you are asking for fraud and non payment if you
> do...after all a dealer at a train show is often a mom/pop hobbiest
> and not a BANK.
> > #4. Most locations that have train shows have ATM's and a limited
> amount of extra cash can be obtained that way.
> > #5. Some dealers will accept a cash down payment and be willing
> to "hold" or send you your items upon recieving total amount... one
> will have to trust that arrangement..reciepts and documentation of
> amount paid and owed must be made.
> >
> > I have been to train shows as a dealer and participant all over the
> US from Jacksonville, FL to Seatle, WA, and from Fargo, ND to
> Houston, TX and know that CASH is the method of payment that is
> understood to be the rule, ONLY under very exceptional circumstances
> will a dealer accept checks...usually with extensive document back-
> up, including current membership in various toy train organizations,
> and some references to vouch for individual.
> >
> > Credit Cards are the most expensive option for the dealer and do
> not offer any guarantee of payment to the dealer. So the only sure
> bet for a dealer is cash baby.
> >
> > If you really want to wheel and deal...cash is the only way to go!
> >
> > Remember a fool is the one who accepts a check, and gets ripped off
> by the credit card companys comming and going.
> >
> > Dr. K. Loeb (Peter)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: beebear
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:58 PM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Train shows
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45310 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Re: FW: {S-Scale List} "S" Stuff for Sale, cheap
Hi all


?


The seller does not know you, so they want cash.?He probably had to pay cash to get the stuff.? Ever try using a credit card at a private home or garage sale?? Usually a seller will take a deposit to hold high priced items.? Remember you can track him down through the show sponsor,? But he cannot find you.?? I once even used a personal reference from a another seller down the row.? It is the best hobby around, brings parents and kids together, building something.?


?


I did shows for over 20 years always took personal checks, and only got one bad check for $90.? The people who knew him preassured him to make good the check bank even closed his account'???Did you know in Illinois you can collect five times the amount of a bad check.


?


Train buyers and sellers?at a show. are typically good honest?folks. Tom










-----Original Message-----

From: Ed

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sun, Oct 14 6:43 PM

Subject: RE: [S-Trains] FW: {S-Scale List} "S" Stuff for Sale, cheap













Hi;



If you really want the items and the pricing is right, if you really

want to buy with the plastic and they don't accept plastic, all you have to

do is use one of those 3 or 4 checks the credit card company sends you each

month and send them the check. It is charged against your credit card as a

cash advance. Costs are charged to you. Again, how bad did you want it.



Another option if they won't accept a check, but will accept a money

order or certified check, go to your bank with the check and get a money

order or certified check.



There are many ways to skin that cat.



Ironhorse Eddie





-----Original Message-----

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf

Of beebear

Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 4:05 AM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] FW: {S-Scale List} "S" Stuff for Sale, cheap



HI Eric

If you ever run across a set of Norfolk Southern diesels from AM a at good

price let me know!!



I had a chance to buy 2 sets several weeks ago but the guy didn't take

plastic and I didn't have the cash

to cover it at the time!!



John



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45311 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Brick
I was going to write in the subject line, "Another Brick in the Wall", courtesy of Pink Floyd, but actually it is a brick in the walkway that I purchased in the summer that I hope to see at York next Saturday on the walkway for the TCA Museum in Strasburg, PA.

Or maybe their song, "Money" might be more appropriate for being in need to spend at York!

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45312 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: RE;Train shows
I've been on both sides of the table at train shows, auto parts
meets, and flea markets in the Tri-state area. Each have their own
quirks, but all are based on the acceptance of CASH.
I go to car meets and flea markets and they are still 98% CASH
only. They seem to have no shortage of vendors, and those are mostly
individuals.
The train shows I go to are about 40% CASH only, there are alot of
businesses who accept credit cards. It's almost the only place I see
personal check transactions. Vendor numbers are down, and most of
those dropping out are businesses.
One thing holds true at train shows, car meets, and flea
markets...You want a DEAL, use CASH! Go to the ATM! Vendors can't
give you a deal if you force them to take credit cards or checks.
You're going to PAY for that convenience. Maybe we'd be better off
if train shows returned to their flea market roots?
Stumpy Stone...just waiting for the flames...from my hidden
hillside lair in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45313 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Fw: Bollman Truss Bridges
http://www.pbase.com/harry1/

One of my bike friends from the C&O Canal list sent me his website of
pictures.

Some really nice pics of trains here.

Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 45314 From: Donald Thompson Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
Dear Phil,
That is pretty funny. In 18 years of retail sales at train shows
(plus another 10 as Train Stuff), I have never had anyone ask to see a
sales tax certificate. We do keep a copy in the show binder as the
state sales people do lurk at train shows.
Best,
Don

On Oct 14, 2007, at 11:03 PM, Phil K wrote:

> ...I always request to see a vendor's state sales tax certificate
> Phil K


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45315 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
AH. That explains the difficulties up there. All our banks have a
thousand back per day, per account limit on cash from ATM's. With some
banks this means you can get $1K from your debit account and another
$1K from your credit account. Alistair

The ATM's are there, my problem is my bank only lets me take $200.00 a
day via an ATM. I get around this by having money in more than one
bank, but that is an extra bother

jfred
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45316 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: TCA YORK
I will be at the TCA museum
im Strasburg on Wednesday
and York on Thursday so I
can go to the Gilbert/Flyer Nut
evening.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: cookie flannery ; Jeff Snell ; Steve Conard ; SSchaffer ; Steve Hoschler ; Ralph Loveless ; Linda Marmer
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:10 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Brick


I was going to write in the subject line, "Another Brick in the Wall", courtesy of Pink Floyd, but actually it is a brick in the walkway that I purchased in the summer that I hope to see at York next Saturday on the walkway for the TCA Museum in Strasburg, PA.

Or maybe their song, "Money" might be more appropriate for being in need to spend at York!

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45317 From: Rhett George Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Duke Energy Christmas layout.
- Greetings -

Wow! Thanks for calling my attention to the Duke Energy layout. No doubt
this was a going attraction in Ohio long before Duke Energy acquired CG&E.
For us southeasterners, too bad it does not come to the home of Duke Energy
in Charlotte, NC.

Did everyone notice that this layout uses outside third rail power distri-
bution? That was common before WW II and for some time after. The O-gauge
club in Charlotte (at least in 1945 - 1949) was another outside third rail
layout.

Now back to things in S-gauge. CheerS,

Rhett
Group: S-Trains Message: 45318 From: Phil K Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
Dear Don,

I don't see how you could compare SHS and an amateur dealer who deals
strictly in cash at flea markets -- and the DuPage show is basically
just that. Guys literally selling stuff out of the trunks of their
cars or backs of their trucks in the parking lot, 99 percent of it
used -- and what is NIB they bought from someone who never used it.
Guys who are not "official dealers" of SHS or Lionel or American
Models mainly because they don't want to leave a paper trail of what
they buy.

You are in a different category, my friend. In the "S World" I
daresay you'd find many S collectors or operators that are not
familiar with S-Helper Service, whether they buy or own your product
or not. You have a physical address, an offical website, and years of
goodwill attached to a great "brand". While I suppose you could pull
a fast one regarding sales tax, you're too smart to jeopardize your
livelihood and that of those who depend on you for the same.

If someone came to you with a huge order and said they don't have to
pay sales tax because they're buying for a non-profit, you wouldn't
request to see their number to avoid problems with the state
department of revenue?

Call me nutty, but I just want to make sure if I'm being charged
sales tax it's by someone who actually has a tax ID number. It's my
right to demand to see such a document. I run my business in strict
compliance with the law, and I only do business with people who do
likewise.

If that's funny to you, so be it.

Phil K

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Donald Thompson <don@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Phil,
> That is pretty funny. In 18 years of retail sales at train
shows
> (plus another 10 as Train Stuff), I have never had anyone ask to
see
a
> sales tax certificate. We do keep a copy in the show binder as the
> state sales people do lurk at train shows.
> Best,
> Don
>
> On Oct 14, 2007, at 11:03 PM, Phil K wrote:
>
> > ...I always request to see a vendor's state sales tax certificate
> > Phil K
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45319 From: Larry Moore Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Pull-Mor tires
To the group,
In a quest to further my "Flyer" knowledge, I again turn to the expertise of this group. I just purchased a single motor Alco chassis and the drive truck has a molded rubber pull-mor tire configuration as follows: the front pair has one wheel with this rubber and the back pair has the opposite side wheel with the rubber. I am familiar with the rubber bands that are used to replace the pull-mors but this is the first time I have seen this molded version. The rubber is molded to the rim and to the face of the tires. My question is this, is this configuration correct and how do you replace the rubber? One of them is damaged and will not roll smoothly. Do you have to replace the whole wheel? I managed to cut the rubber from the rim with some difficulty. It was really glued on. Thanks in advance for the help. Larry Moore
Group: S-Trains Message: 45320 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Re: Pull-Mor tires
It is best by far to replace the entire wheel. The glue on pieces are
marginal at best. Check with a parts dealer such as Port Lines Hobby,

Steve
SnS Trains.
Boise
Group: S-Trains Message: 45321 From: Al Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Lionel Trainmaster Command Base for Sale
I have one Lionel Trainmaster Command Base for sale in Excellent
Condition. Never used. I bought the wrong base. This is the newer
version. I need the base that has the cable attachment that goes to
the transformer.

I would like to trade for the correct Command Base if anyone has one
to
trade with - OR - Will Sell. Cost me $79.95 - Sell for $65.00 Plus
shipping cost.

Command Base is in original box with all instructions. #6-12911.

All inquiries welcome.

Al
Group: S-Trains Message: 45322 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
In a message dated 10/15/2007 3:58:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
hjsheff@... writes:

As a dealer, that really cut into profits. On top of that, most
people seem to think you owe them a discount or else they will shop
out of state and save the taxes. No matter that the freight may be

Here in Beautiful Pennsylvania, buyers will curse you IF they think they are
paying taxes at one stand and just meekly pay them at the next. IF ALL the
dealers had the guts to charge the taxes, wouldn't be an issue. Charlie Ro comes
to PA and sells below dealer cost and does not charge PA tax. Has been doing
it for years.

Jim "payin' taxes on the Keystone Main" Lyle
Group: S-Trains Message: 45323 From: Scale S Only Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
Howard and All--

And sometimes it doesn't...

Bill Winans (former owner of Big Boys Toys/Palmdale Hobbies)

>Sometimes we dealers just go on face value and trust and it works out.
>Howard Sheffield
>Howard' S Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 45324 From: Scale S Only Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: Bollman Truss Bridges
This guy has BEAUTIFUL photos!

Thanks!
Bill Winans


----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: Toy Trains ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:33 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Bollman Truss Bridges



http://www.pbase.com/harry1/

One of my bike friends from the C&O Canal list sent me his website of
pictures.

Some really nice pics of trains here.

Mike





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45325 From: Robert Graves Date: 10/15/2007
Subject: #9713 NYC boxcars
I recently bought a batch of Flyonel freight cars. Both of the #9713 NYC boxcars I got look like someone removed the lettering with some sort of chemical that dulled the finish of the plastic, and then repainted them perfectly. It's so perfect that it must have been done in the factory, most likely a problem in the production run. The area away from the lettering is the normal shiny plastic we're all used to. In pictures, even a close-up, it doesn't show up, but in person it is quite noticeable.

Greenberg's Volume II doesn't say anything about this and I don't know where else to look. It may be that all the 9713s are this way; I don't know. Does anyone out there know something about this?

Thanks.

Bob


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45326 From: Robert Graves Date: 10/16/2007
Subject: #9713 NYC boxcars
Thank you, Doug, I appreciate it!!!

Bob

--- Doug Peck <Doug@...> wrote:

> That poor finish is factory.
>
> They all came through that way, and there are other
> boxcars that sme
> year with that finish.
>
> Very poor quality control !!
>
>
>
> Doug Peck
>
> Port Lines Hobby Supply
>
> 6 Storeybrooke Drive
>
> Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
>
> www.sgaugetrains.com
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45327 From: warren_chadbourne Date: 10/16/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
As a purchaser of products at train shows and ebay, I do like to use
the credit card and paypal. I know that this adds to the sellers
costs and paperwork. A simple solution would be for the owner to
charge an extra percentage for the use of these services. I for one
would be more than willing to pay for the service since it benefits
me. Many times I have wanted to purchase an item on ebay and not even
bid because it required me to have to go to town and purchase a money
order. I would have been more than willing to bid more that the
winning bid, so who lost out on the deal? Me because I did not get
the item, or the owner who sold it for less than someone else was
willing to bid?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45328 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 10/16/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
If you are willing to pay the paypal fees tell that to the ebay seller.? You can 'force" a paypal payment just by sending payment via paypal.? Tom










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From: warren_chadbourne

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tue, Oct 16 3:08 PM

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train shows













As a purchaser of products at train shows and ebay, I do like to use

the credit card and paypal. I know that this adds to the sellers

costs and paperwork. A simple solution would be for the owner to

charge an extra percentage for the use of these services. I for one

would be more than willing to pay for the service since it benefits

me. Many times I have wanted to purchase an item on ebay and not even

bid because it required me to have to go to town and purchase a money

order. I would have been more than willing to bid more that the

winning bid, so who lost out on the deal? Me because I did not get

the item, or the owner who sold it for less than someone else was

willing to bid?






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45329 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 10/16/2007
Subject: SF 342 modified, syncronized electronic smoke, LokSound DCC, video
Hi folks;

A few folks were interested in a video of the 342 I posted in the photo
gallery,,, and I finally figured out how to do that, so, if anyone
wishes to take a look, 2 shorts are posted on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz5xqQRJFa4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL1IdfNT90U

First one is starting up my grade, pushing one car and pulling 2,
second is descending the helix and a shot of it reversing.

Just thought you might like to take a look see.

cheers

phil d
Group: S-Trains Message: 45330 From: Edward G. Date: 10/16/2007
Subject: Williams has been sold ...
Williams Electric Trains, manufacturer of many pre- and postwar O
gauge models, has been sold to Bachmann Industries, which plans to
market O gauge trains under the name "Williams by Bachmann."
Group: S-Trains Message: 45331 From: clayton deich Date: 10/16/2007
Subject: Re: SF 342 modified, syncronized electronic smoke, LokSound DCC, vid
Thanks for the Youtube link I sure liked looking at
all the videos on "S" trains. I have never seen them
before.


Clayton
--- Phil Dunlop <pndunlop@...> wrote:

> Hi folks;
>
> A few folks were interested in a video of the 342 I
> posted in the photo
> gallery,,, and I finally figured out how to do that,
> so, if anyone
> wishes to take a look, 2 shorts are posted on
> youtube:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz5xqQRJFa4
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL1IdfNT90U
>
> First one is starting up my grade, pushing one car
> and pulling 2,
> second is descending the helix and a shot of it
> reversing.
>
> Just thought you might like to take a look see.
>
> cheers
>
> phil d
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45332 From: Mike Rosz Date: 10/17/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] AF switch controllers
I found some thing that works. it is HO switches controllers. Atlas mode;
power etc
BUT you will have
to run an extra linf if you want the light to work on your switches.

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:19:12 -0400 "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...>
writes:
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Kaufman
. . . . I have been trying to get AF switch controllers, but have had
hard
time finding them at train shows. . . . . .
> > > > > > >
That's interesting to know. When SHS first brought out their turnouts
with
the AF-like controllers for them, I bought a bunch of extra controllers.
I've taken them to hundreds of train shows and haven't sold one yet.
Guess
I have to figures out how to advertise & display the obscure items
better.
Tom Hawley
Lansing Mich




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45333 From: Trains Date: 10/17/2007
Subject: Re: SF 342 modified, syncronized electronic smoke, LokSound DCC, vid
What did you use for the synchro sound/smoke unit?

thanks Peter Loeb


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45334 From: Mike Rosz Date: 10/17/2007
Subject: Re: AF switch controllers
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:19:12 -0400 "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...>
writes:
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Kaufman
. . . . I have been trying to get AF switch controllers, but have had
hard
time finding them at train shows. . . . . .
> > > > > > >
That's interesting to know. When SHS first brought out their turnouts
with
the AF-like controllers for them, I bought a bunch of extra controllers.
I've taken them to hundreds of train shows and haven't sold one yet.
Guess
I have to figures out how to advertise & display the obscure items
better.
Tom Hawley
Lansing Mich




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45335 From: Mike Rosz Date: 10/17/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] Re: [Strains] Re: Blatant SHES commercialism
I am being asked for a pass word and do not have one.

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:50:23 -0500 Mike Rosz <n9guy@...> writes:
could I get a list of dealers in the 847 telephone area code>?
Thanks very much.

On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:04:45 -0400 Donald Thompson <don@showcase> writes:
We have uploaded the Fall SHES Update as a .pd download. Included is
information on the upcoming shipment of S Scale America new products and
road names expected this fall.

The SHES Update is at:
http://www.showcaseline.com/updates/V18N2.pdf
<https://webmailcluster.perfora.net/xml/webmail/mailContent;jsessionid=41
F21A1CA65BC0C0B9730371BBDFB7C1.TC135b#>

Latest News
The latest run of reefers arrived today.
http://www.showcaseline.com/Flatcars/Loads/fcwithloads.html
<https://webmailcluster.perfora.net/xml/webmail/mailContent;jsessionid=41
F21A1CA65BC0C0B9730371BBDFB7C1.TC135b#>

With the reefers are the coal loads with snow, #00967 and #00979
American Flyer replacment wheelsets.
http://www.showcaseline.com/Parts/misc_in_stock.html
<https://webmailcluster.perfora.net/xml/webmail/mailContent;jsessionid=41
F21A1CA65BC0C0B9730371BBDFB7C1.TC135b#>

The shipment of flatcars is scheduled to leave from Hong Kong this
weekend and are expected to arrive early November. The 2007 Christmas
car is included in this shipment. The only item not to be sent is the
ACL pulpwood cars.
The Corgi M4A2 Stuart tanks are at our distributors warehouse. They
moved last week buy assured me they would be sent the following week.
Once the PRR flatcars arrive, we will be sending out those tanks on
flatcars.
http://www.showcaseline.com/Flatcars/Loads/fcwithloads.html
<https://webmailcluster.perfora.net/xml/webmail/mailContent;jsessionid=41
F21A1CA65BC0C0B9730371BBDFB7C1.TC135b#>

The new pickup trucks featured in the SHS Update have been re-ordered
and are expected back in stock next week.
Best regards,
Don

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45336 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 10/17/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] Re: [Strains] Re: Blatant SHES commercialism
Try these links.

There were an extra links that did not need to be there.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Mike Rosz
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 1:06 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [Strains] Re: [Strains] Re: Blatant SHES
commercialism


I am being asked for a pass word and do not have one.

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:50:23 -0500 Mike Rosz <n9guy@...> writes:
could I get a list of dealers in the 847 telephone area code>?
Thanks very much.

On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:04:45 -0400 Donald Thompson <don@showcase> writes:
We have uploaded the Fall SHES Update as a .pd download. Included is
information on the upcoming shipment of S Scale America new products and
road names expected this fall.

The SHES Update is at:
http://www.showcaseline.com/updates/V18N2.pdf


Latest News
The latest run of reefers arrived today.
http://www.showcaseline.com/Flatcars/Loads/fcwithloads.html

With the reefers are the coal loads with snow, #00967 and #00979
American Flyer replacment wheelsets.
http://www.showcaseline.com/Parts/misc_in_stock.html


The shipment of flatcars is scheduled to leave from Hong Kong this
weekend and are expected to arrive early November. The 2007 Christmas
car is included in this shipment. The only item not to be sent is the
ACL pulpwood cars.
The Corgi M4A2 Stuart tanks are at our distributors warehouse. They
moved last week buy assured me they would be sent the following week.
Once the PRR flatcars arrive, we will be sending out those tanks on
flatcars.
http://www.showcaseline.com/Flatcars/Loads/fcwithloads.html
<https://webmailcluster.perfora.net/xml/webmail/mailContent;jsessionid=41
F21A1CA65BC0C0B9730371BBDFB7C1.TC135b#>

The new pickup trucks featured in the SHS Update have been re-ordered
and are expected back in stock next week.
Best regards,
Don

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45337 From: uvl97222 Date: 10/17/2007
Subject: Re: AF switch controllers
What's the number of controlers that you need?

Clayton



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Kaufman
> . . . . I have been trying to get AF switch controllers, but have had hard
> time finding them at train shows. . . . . .
> > > > > > > >
> That's interesting to know. When SHS first brought out their turnouts with
> the AF-like controllers for them, I bought a bunch of extra controllers.
> I've taken them to hundreds of train shows and haven't sold one yet. Guess
> I have to figures out how to advertise & display the obscure items better.
> Tom Hawley
> Lansing Mich
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45338 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 10/17/2007
Subject: Re: SF 342 modified, syncronized electronic smoke, LokSound DCC, vid
Peter;

The sound / smoke sync is provided by magnets on the original chuff
shaft drive wheel, and reed switches mounted so they can be tripped by
the magnets. I believe in the photos I placed on the gallery you can
see the assembly.

As an aside, I've tried quite a few different reed switches, and the
ones I've settled on are SMD switches. These are encased in plastic,
very robust, easy to solder to, and they don't break every time you
breath on them like the glass tube ones seem to do. You can get them a
various electronic resellers, I happen to use Allied Electronics, they
run in price anywhere from 29 to 69 cents.

cheers
phil d

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Trains" <rr4u@...> wrote:
>
> What did you use for the synchro sound/smoke unit?
>
> thanks Peter Loeb
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45339 From: Scale S Only Date: 10/17/2007
Subject: Re: SF 342 modified, syncronized electronic smoke, LokSound DCC, vid
I'm a scale guy. but I have always appreciated the AF 0-8-0. Yours runs
well and the smoke is really good!

Have fun!
Bill Winans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz5xqQRJFa4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL1IdfNT90U
Group: S-Trains Message: 45340 From: Al Baker Date: 10/17/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
Amen !! I'm with you Warren, 100%. I am willing to pay a reasonable
surcharge to use my credit card or PayPal. And like you, I have MANY
times withheld bidding on eBay because the seller only would take money
orders.

If we are talking about a hobbiest that occassionally sells a few items
at a train show, then I have no problem understanding why they don't
accept credit cards. But any serious dealer who goes to multiple shows
regularly, is only fooling themselves into thinking that they are not
getting a big chunk of business by not accepting credit cards. There
is a significant chunk of business that is just walking on by them and
giving it to dealers inside or outside the show, who do take credit
cards. And it is not a question (at least in my case - and probably
most) about not having the money and therefore must charge it. I have
the money - I just prefer to not walk around with several hundred bucks
in my pocket !

Al Baker
Portland, OR



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "warren_chadbourne" <wjchadbourne@...>
wrote:
>
> As a purchaser of products at train shows and ebay, I do like to use
> the credit card and paypal. I know that this adds to the sellers
> costs and paperwork. A simple solution would be for the owner to
> charge an extra percentage for the use of these services. I for one
> would be more than willing to pay for the service since it benefits
> me. Many times I have wanted to purchase an item on ebay and not even
> bid because it required me to have to go to town and purchase a money
> order. I would have been more than willing to bid more that the
> winning bid, so who lost out on the deal? Me because I did not get
> the item, or the owner who sold it for less than someone else was
> willing to bid?
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45341 From: George Cohn Date: 10/17/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
Al Baker wrote:
>
>
> Amen !! I'm with you Warren, 100%. I am willing to pay a reasonable
> surcharge to use my credit card or PayPal. And like you, I have MANY
> times withheld bidding on eBay because the seller only would take money
> orders.

I generally will not bid on something where the buyer insists on a money
order unless I have no other source. The one time I got scammed on eBay
was from a seller who took only money orders and if you had a problem
with him, it was your fault for not following his instructions even if
he made a mistake. 'nuff said.

In todays economy, it's rare to find a merchant who will not take at
least a debit card. I think I write maybe 4 checks a months now.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 45342 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 10/17/2007
Subject: Re: Train shows
I do not see my post?repeat: You can force a paypal payment on Ebay.?I have done this.? Just tyell the seller you will pay the paypal fees.? When an ebay seller agrees Paypals terms of service that seller agrees not to charge extra to cover the fees.? And if he advertises that paypal carries a convience fee he will get his/her hand slapped.??If you are selling at retail prices the 3.5% is no biggie.? But if you are on a 10% markup it is a killer.?


?


I have auctioned items on ebay and I do not like paying Paypal fees.??If it is easier on you then you should pay for the convience.?Offer to pay the fees and I'lll take your paypal payment.?????But most buyers complain if you charge a $1 extra for shipping.? ?Tom










-----Original Message-----

From: Al Baker

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wed, Oct 17 5:22 PM

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train shows













Amen !! I'm with you Warren, 100%. I am willing to pay a reasonable

surcharge to use my credit card or PayPal. And like you, I have MANY

times withheld bidding on eBay because the seller only would take money

orders.



If we are talking about a hobbiest that occassionally sells a few items

at a train show, then I have no problem understanding why they don't

accept credit cards. But any serious dealer who goes to multiple shows

regularly, is only fooling themselves into thinking that they are not

getting a big chunk of business by not accepting credit cards. There

is a significant chunk of business that is just walking on by them and

giving it to dealers inside or outside the show, who do take credit

cards. And it is not a question (at least in my case - and probably

most) about not having the money and therefore must charge it. I have

the money - I just prefer to not walk around with several hundred bucks

in my pocket !



Al Baker

Portland, OR



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "warren_chadbourne" ...>

wrote:

>

> As a purchaser of products at train shows and ebay, I do like to use

> the credit card and paypal. I know that this adds to the sellers

> costs and paperwork. A simple solution would be for the owner to

> charge an extra percentage for the use of these services. I for one

> would be more than willing to pay for the service since it benefits

> me. Many times I have wanted to purchase an item on ebay and not even

> bid because it required me to have to go to town and purchase a money

> order. I would have been more than willing to bid more that the

> winning bid, so who lost out on the deal? Me because I did not get

> the item, or the owner who sold it for less than someone else was

> willing to bid?

>






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45343 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/17/2007
Subject: Re: AF switch controllers
I also carry the SHS switch controllers, but, most "S" guys have to have
products made fifty years ago or it is NO go. Could THAT be the reason "S" is so
miniscule in the realm of things??

Jim "headin' to York" Lyle
Group: S-Trains Message: 45344 From: James Hannawald Date: 10/17/2007
Subject: Repairing a spotlight car
I have a 646 search light car that needs to have the wiring replaced. Does any one know if there is a simple solution to get to the socket to rewire it?

Thanks ahead of time.


Jim H.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45345 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: TTOS hopper
I just got my TTOS, PRR hopper by "Big L". It still has the "L" version of the coupler, the one that doesn't open enough to uncouple. The car is marked built by ACG.
I wonder when they will start to ues what they got from K-Line?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45346 From: Wayne B. Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3819
Phil,

That 0-8-0 of yours is AMAZING!! The sounds are
fantastic, and the smoke is incredible.

How did you ever get it to smoke like that?

OK, I just got to have it. How much do you want?
(grin)

Wayne

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45347 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Is something wrong with us?
In reading Jim Lyle's post, I got to thinking. Are we our own worst
enemy? Has the growth of S gauge as a whole been stifled by American
Flyer collectors?
He makes a valid point, there is plenty of good S gauge stuff out
there being made today, yet there is a large group of guys who seem to
turn up their collective noses at anything "not Gilbert."
Not being a collector, I don't understand some of things hard core
collectors do. I run my trains because that's what they are for. But
I understand that most collectors never run their trains or even see
them again once they buy them! They buy perhaps six of each item,
then complain about the prices. Duh, you just made the item rarer by
buying so many! Among vendors, Flyer collectors have a reputation for
being the cheapest and hardest to please of any of the groups of
collectors. Do you think this sort of thing gets noticed?
Yeah, I know...people are going to go off on me, so I'm putting a
flak jacket on over my fire retardant suit! But perhaps we ought to
look at ourselves sometimes and the image we present to other folks in
the hobby. Minorities such as us always attract more attention.
What do you folks think?
Stumpy Stone...weird in Appalachia
Group: S-Trains Message: 45348 From: frank emiro Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Re: Reliance Train Show at York Pa
I had a fun time but needed to get back to NH for today. I do need to return to YORK. Now I can put the doors on my NH orange BC, thx Fred for the parts.

fredstrainparts@... wrote: Respected members of this list;

It's time again to make the journey to York. I'm happy to report that there
are more "S" dealers here at the Reliance than the last time. There are
only about 8 tables of those other trains. All but 2 dealers involved in those
other trains decided to re-locate to the Springettsbury Hall for this show.
Also, there are 4 tables available for more "S" as of this posting.

For anyone who may need to know, here are the particulars for the event;

Reliance Fire Hall at West York Fire Co.
1341 West Market Street, 1/2 block east of Highland Ave.
October 15, 16, & 17 (Mon, Tues, Wed) 9am-6pm
Free admission, food available

Dealers admitted for set-up on Sunday October 14 from noon to 5pm

All of the above also applies to the Springettsbury Fire Co show on the East
side of York. There is table space available for any of your
Lionel/Marx/H-O friends that may want to attend.

For further information call Fred @ 888-494-5821

Regards, and thank-you for your time,
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45349 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Repairing a spotlight car
Clip the power wire at the back of the housing push the wire back
to allow a larger opening, Using a small long punch, drive the socket
and reflector out of the housing,
Jerry HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 45350 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Re: Is something wrong with us?
Well Stumpy you are probably right, but collectors do what collectors do.? everyone has the right to spend their money the way they want.?S is a smaller than

O But I believe its growth rate is greater than O????Tom










-----Original Message-----

From: Stumpy Stone

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thu, Oct 18 10:00 AM

Subject: [S-Trains] Is something wrong with us?













In reading Jim Lyle's post, I got to thinking. Are we our own worst

enemy? Has the growth of S gauge as a whole been stifled by American

Flyer collectors?

He makes a valid point, there is plenty of good S gauge stuff out

there being made today, yet there is a large group of guys who seem to

turn up their collective noses at anything "not Gilbert."

Not being a collector, I don't understand some of things hard core

collectors do. I run my trains because that's what they are for. But

I understand that most collectors never run their trains or even see

them again once they buy them! They buy perhaps six of each item,

then complain about the prices. Duh, you just made the item rarer by

buying so many! Among vendors, Flyer collectors have a reputation for

being the cheapest and hardest to please of any of the groups of

collectors. Do you think this sort of thing gets noticed?

Yeah, I know...people are going to go off on me, so I'm putting a

flak jacket on over my fire retardant suit! But perhaps we ought to

look at ourselves sometimes and the image we present to other folks in

the hobby. Minorities such as us always attract more attention.

What do you folks think?

Stumpy Stone...weird in Appalachia






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45351 From: David Dewey Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: The new AF complete train set
HI all,
My NYC train set has arrived! Wonderful box, typical rolling stock content
& loco. BIG transformer--with NO AF markings, but big L markings, and only
two posts, so no accessory capability, BUT!! the new track has "AMERICAN
FLYER" on each tie!!
So, maybe someone at Big L is listening????
S'
David D.
PS and there's an owner's manual too--oh and an invitation to join the L
railroader's club.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45352 From: roy inman Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Re: Is something wrong with us?
We have of course been down this road before, and sure Stumpy, IMHO, your
ideas have merit.

I would not go so far as saying there is "something wrong with us" in
reference to the dogged manner in which some S folks revere American Flyer
and A. C. Gilbert.

We see such fervor in people with interests in Cord automobiles, Sherlock
Holmes, brick collectors, etc., etc.

And that "collector mentality" to which you refer cannot be explained
rationally. IMHO, one is hard wired with it or one is not. Some people just
like lots of stuff, and many times-usually in fact, that collecting mind set
is all about a particular type of something, like AF. While this tendency to
collect can be redirected, in my observation it takes a monumental effort to
reverse the way a person's mind works. I mean this in the most respectful
way, but if the "collector mentality" has to be explained to someone, that
someone won't understand it.

As far as Flyer people hurting the growth of the gauge, I think there is
truth in that assertion. Don Thompson of SHS is not the only one who freely
admits that one of the foremost things he considers when developing a new
product is "will it run on Flyer curves?"

However, I think that we are seeing a change.

I am an example, for example:

While I love the old Flyer and some of the new, when I put down my
hard-earned dollars for equipment more often than not I tend to buy
something like what Don at SHS or Ron at AM make. Notice that even Lionel,
EVEN LIONEL, is putting more detailing into its AF products. That detailing
and, in my experience, smooth running, of the LAF Northerns is the only
reason I bought one of the Greyhounds. I know this is hearsay to say this
here but: After seeing the LAF version of the Northern, I have no interest
in an original Gilbert American Flyer, given limited funds. Oh sure, when I
win the lottery, I might pop for a mint, in the box ACG Northern to show off
to my Kansas City S Gaugers buddies, but I probably would not buy much
beyond that in original Flyer.


Cheers :)

Roy Inman


From: Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...>
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:38:03 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Is something wrong with us?


In reading Jim Lyle's post, I got to thinking. Are we our own worst
enemy? Has the growth of S gauge as a whole been stifled by American
Flyer collectors?
He makes a valid point, there is plenty of good S gauge stuff out
there being made today, yet there is a large group of guys who seem to
turn up their collective noses at anything "not Gilbert."
Not being a collector, I don't understand some of things hard core
collectors do. I run my trains because that's what they are for. But
I understand that most collectors never run their trains or even see
them again once they buy them! They buy perhaps six of each item,
then complain about the prices. Duh, you just made the item rarer by
buying so many! Among vendors, Flyer collectors have a reputation for
being the cheapest and hardest to please of any of the groups of
collectors. Do you think this sort of thing gets noticed?
Yeah, I know...people are going to go off on me, so I'm putting a
flak jacket on over my fire retardant suit! But perhaps we ought to
look at ourselves sometimes and the image we present to other folks in
the hobby. Minorities such as us always attract more attention.
What do you folks think?
Stumpy Stone...weird in Appalachia






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45353 From: barb Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Detailing layouts
Hi All,

I wanted to share with you the work of Mario Rapinett who lives in
Australia. He models in numerous scales and is a specialist in detail
on the layout - especially when it comes to structures.

He has a sizeable website but I am including a link to one small
section where he is beginning to detail some new work. From there you
can follow his progress as you wish.

Hope you find it informative.... Barb

http://www.modvid.com.au/html/body_work_bench.html
Group: S-Trains Message: 45354 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Re: Is something wrong with us?
I look at Stumpy's post, he may have a point. I'm one who tries to run what I hace, I just found that the hopper eiht the "L" couplers works well between two cars that wouldn't stay coupled, the train runs and runs and stays hooked up. But, I will say that I am getting too many meet and show special issue cars to be able to run all of them. (But it does prove that I am buying new stuff).

jfred

Stumpy Stone <mrstumpy@...> wrote: In reading Jim Lyle's post, I got to thinking. Are we our own worst
enemy? Has the growth of S gauge as a whole been stifled by American
Flyer collectors?
He makes a valid point, there is plenty of good S gauge stuff out
there being made today, yet there is a large group of guys who seem to
turn up their collective noses at anything "not Gilbert."
Not being a collector, I don't understand some of things hard core
collectors do. I run my trains because that's what they are for. But
I understand that most collectors never run their trains or even see
them again once they buy them! They buy perhaps six of each item,
then complain about the prices. Duh, you just made the item rarer by
buying so many! Among vendors, Flyer collectors have a reputation for
being the cheapest and hardest to please of any of the groups of
collectors. Do you think this sort of thing gets noticed?
Yeah, I know...people are going to go off on me, so I'm putting a
flak jacket on over my fire retardant suit! But perhaps we ought to
look at ourselves sometimes and the image we present to other folks in
the hobby. Minorities such as us always attract more attention.
What do you folks think?
Stumpy Stone...weird in Appalachia





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45355 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3819
Hi Wayne;

Glad you like it! You can roll your own if you wish,,,, the "how"
part is pretty well covered in the pics in the photos section, look
for AF 342 DCC Conversion - Loksound,,,, this link should get you
there;

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/9674?m=l

I'm too enamored with it to consider a sale, heh heh. Besides,
unless you are running DCC it would loose a lot.

The smoke is from an MTH electronic smoke unit.

As to the sound,,,, two factors here,,,

1 - a LokSound decoder and sound load (many in the US crowd think
only Soundtraxx Tsunami makes sound,,, not so)

2 - a so called "Bass Reflex" speaker which is relatively new to
market, provides an audible and significant improvement over the
other speakers I have used in the past. This speaker comes in a
sealed and ported enclosure, and it is small enough to fit in the
boiler along with all the other goodies, so the perceived sound
envelope originates where your eyes tell you it should.

Thanks for watching the clips, and I'm glad you enjoyed it!

cheers
phil d

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Wayne B." <afvair@...> wrote:
>
>
> Phil,
>
> That 0-8-0 of yours is AMAZING!! The sounds are
> fantastic, and the smoke is incredible.
>
> How did you ever get it to smoke like that?
>
> OK, I just got to have it. How much do you want?
> (grin)
>
> Wayne
>
> __________________________________________________
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45356 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Re: Is something wrong with us?
Stumpy;

You are my hero!

Yeah,,, I got a fair amount of Gilbert, because it was gifted to me
as a kid. Also got a lump of American Models, and a fair sized bunch
of SHS. And I run everything I can keep moving.

phil d, another "operator" in Texas

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> In reading Jim Lyle's post, I got to thinking. Are we our own
worst
> enemy? Has the growth of S gauge as a whole been stifled by
American
> Flyer collectors?
> He makes a valid point, there is plenty of good S gauge stuff out
> there being made today, yet there is a large group of guys who seem
to
> turn up their collective noses at anything "not Gilbert."
> Not being a collector, I don't understand some of things hard core
> collectors do. I run my trains because that's what they are for.
But
> I understand that most collectors never run their trains or even
see
> them again once they buy them! They buy perhaps six of each item,
> then complain about the prices. Duh, you just made the item rarer
by
> buying so many! Among vendors, Flyer collectors have a reputation
for
> being the cheapest and hardest to please of any of the groups of
> collectors. Do you think this sort of thing gets noticed?
> Yeah, I know...people are going to go off on me, so I'm putting a
> flak jacket on over my fire retardant suit! But perhaps we ought
to
> look at ourselves sometimes and the image we present to other folks
in
> the hobby. Minorities such as us always attract more attention.
> What do you folks think?
> Stumpy Stone...weird in Appalachia
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45357 From: James Hannawald Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Re: Repairing a spotlight car
Want to thank those that replied. I know it was simple, Car is now back on
the track lighting thins up.

Again Thanks

Jim H.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "James Hannawald" <jhannawald@...>
wrote:
>
> I have a 646 search light car that needs to have the wiring
replaced. Does any one know if there is a simple solution to get to
the socket to rewire it?
>
> Thanks ahead of time.
>
>
> Jim H.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45358 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Spell Check
Spelled check for PRR is PURR!

Hee Hee. Is this the 100,000 message on the TCA list!

Off to York tomorrow!

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45359 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: York Report
Heck with the TCA Bandit York reports, I want to know how the skating competition is coming along. Who won the gold, silver or bronze medals!?

I should bring a video camera so that I could make a B grade movie of TCA people running into the Skaters!!!!

Now I want to see some you at the TCA York meet doing some twizzles in the parking lot, as I cannot film inside the halls. And maybe I will see some skaters walking around at the rink with a train.

I can think of some really neat horror plots with these two groups for the movie that will be showed late at night, when the movie fails in the theatre.

And just think of all the new members TCA that can be signed up with those Skaters. And they are all young too!

But lucky for some, I don't many skaters will be dinning at the York Hooters.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45360 From: Trains Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Re: 0-8-0 smoke etc.
Hi, I am also impressed with the 0-8-0 and have tried to find any MTH smoke units, including MTH web site...nothing anywhere to be found for MTH smoke units. So where did you find yours?, is it an HO or O version and does it have a part no.?...and how much, I am intersted in at least a half dozen of these if I can find them. I have already bought the Lok-sound 100 Ohm ported speakers Necessary for use with Lok-sound DCC...by the way the also have the ported speakers in 8 Ohm version for other sound decoders. The ported speaker with integral enclosure is about 1/2" x 3/4" x 1 1/2". Very nice little unit. Not only do I want to put MTH smoke unit into an AF 0-8-0, but also in a rex 0-6-0/2-6-0.

Any help and references would be a great help.

thanks Peter Loeb




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45361 From: Scale S Only Date: 10/18/2007
Subject: Re: Detailing layouts
Very nice!
Thanks, Barb.
Bill Winans

I wanted to share with you the work of Mario Rapinett who lives in
Australia. He models in numerous scales and is a specialist in detail
on the layout - especially when it comes to structures. -- Barb
Group: S-Trains Message: 45362 From: roy inman Date: 10/19/2007
Subject: Ed L
Ed L. please contact me off line.

Roy Inman
Group: S-Trains Message: 45363 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/19/2007
Subject: upsetting email
It's seems that I upset a few possibly with my email about TCA and Skating, as I got the usual email in private saying so.

For those on this list who have no idea why I mention skating at York, let me clue you in.

It seems that the USA Olympic committee is having regionals in skating in York, PA the week of the TCA York meet. The winners go on to compete Nationally to represent the US in world competition.

The thing about the skating, it has created a shortage of hotel rooms and possibly driving up prices for hotel rooms due to demand by skaters, family and skating fans.

This was highly discussed on the TCA yahoo group in great detail about trying to get rooms and how hotel prices have gone up. This was never mentioned here.

So, I am sorry that some of you had no idea why I wrote that email, as it was meant to be in fun, almost like Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein, but more like TCA members and Skaters mingling, which must be a site to see.

Oh a twizzle is a kind of a skating jump, a term coined by Dick Button. And I am sure that some of you have no idea who Dick Button is.

Sorry for the usual silly email, as life is short, sometimes my spelling word sentencing and grammar is not perfect, as I get beaten up by some on the list for that too.

Next time I upset anyone, look at yourself and ask "Am I so perfect?"

If you are, God Bless You.

At least I am lucky to be alive after what I went through in September and I can still laugh at life.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45366 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 10/19/2007
Subject: Re: Is something wrong with us?
In 1989 I decided to just but original
A.C. Gilbert production to run. Then
a few years ago a friend gave me
an S-Helper boxcar for my birthday.
As NASG Secretary I started buying
convention cars. Then I added
anything Reading from Desplains,
S Helper and American Models.
Today I have more Gilbert &
S Gauge than I can display or run
so now starts the thinning process.
It looks like we go through
cycles Stumpy.

Glenn
Lots of S Gauge in Honey Brook.
http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html

----- Original Message -----
From: Stumpy Stone
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:38 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Is something wrong with us?


. ...............yet there is a large group of guys who seem to
turn up their collective noses at anything "not Gilbert."
Not being a collector, I don't understand some of things hard core
collectors do. I run my trains because that's what they are for.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45367 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 10/19/2007
Subject: Re: 0-8-0 smoke etc.
Peter;

There are 2 MTH smoke units that will fit most any AFG loco, although
as I indicate in my photos, to get one in the 342 requires some
milling of the boiler shell. (I used a dremel sanding cylinder on
mine).

Both units have the smoke outlet up front, and they line up nicely
with the existing stack ports on AFG. They can be tapped for a
standard metal stack, plastic stacks will melt.

the MTH part #'s are AA-0000011, and AA-0000014. The '11 is what is
in my 342, and I used a '14 on my Royal Blue. (pics of both
conversions are in photo albums on this group) The difference
between the 2 units is the layout of the blower fan.

On the 11 the fan is up next to the smoke element, near the front.

On the 14 the fan is at the rear, and an air tube is between the
blower and the smoke element. The 14 works nicely on installs with a
long chassis, and on those chassis that did not have smoke. The 11
is best where space is at a premium. Both units have the same size
circuit board, the main difference is the blower motor placement.

For the 0-8-0 chassis it is necessary to remove the raised block at
the front of the chassis as it interferes with the blower motor, this
is shown in my pics. You also have to cut the mounting lugs off the
smoke unit box, then it will slide into the front of the boiler,
after a little judicious space making.

I got my MTH units from Brasseur Electric Trains,

http://www.traindoctor.com/index.asp

I think that should get you going.

cheers
phil d

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Trains" <rr4u@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, I am also impressed with the 0-8-0 and have tried to find any
MTH smoke units, including MTH web site...nothing anywhere to be
found for MTH smoke units. So where did you find yours?, is it an HO
or O version and does it have a part no.?...and how much, I am
intersted in at least a half dozen of these if I can find them. I
have already bought the Lok-sound 100 Ohm ported speakers Necessary
for use with Lok-sound DCC...by the way the also have the ported
speakers in 8 Ohm version for other sound decoders. The ported
speaker with integral enclosure is about 1/2" x 3/4" x 1 1/2". Very
nice little unit. Not only do I want to put MTH smoke unit into an AF
0-8-0, but also in a rex 0-6-0/2-6-0.
>
> Any help and references would be a great help.
>
> thanks Peter Loeb
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45368 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 10/19/2007
Subject: Re: Is something wrong with us?
Maybe I'm the only one willing to admit I have a very limited "toy" budget, but my layout is almost entirely vintage AF because it's so much cheaper to get than SHS or AM. I usually buy old stuff and fix it up to operator grade. I'm no collector. I play with my trains to relax in my retirement. I have a couple SHS cars, and I think they are great -- maybe even superior to my old stuff -- but price always enters in.
Jim E.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@...>
Stumpy;

You are my hero!

Yeah,,, I got a fair amount of Gilbert, because it was gifted to me
as a kid. Also got a lump of American Models, and a fair sized bunch
of SHS. And I run everything I can keep moving.

phil d, another "operator" in Texas

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> In reading Jim Lyle's post, I got to thinking. Are we our own
worst
> enemy? Has the growth of S gauge as a whole been stifled by
American
> Flyer collectors?
> He makes a valid point, there is plenty of good S gauge stuff out
> there being made today, yet there is a large group of guys who seem
to
> turn up their collective noses at anything "not Gilbert."
> Not being a collector, I don't understand some of things hard core
> collectors do. I run my trains because that's what they are for.
But
> I understand that most collectors never run their trains or even
see
> them again once they buy them! They buy perhaps six of each item,
> then complain about the prices. Duh, you just made the item rarer
by
> buying so many! Among vendors, Flyer collectors have a reputation
for
> being the cheapest and hardest to please of any of the groups of
> collectors. Do you think this sort of thing gets noticed?
> Yeah, I know...people are going to go off on me, so I'm putting a
> flak jacket on over my fire retardant suit! But perhaps we ought
to
> look at ourselves sometimes and the image we present to other folks
in
> the hobby. Minorities such as us always attract more attention.
> What do you folks think?
> Stumpy Stone...weird in Appalachia
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45369 From: barb Date: 10/19/2007
Subject: In Memory of Fred Gill
Hi All,


Fred Gill was one of the original NMRA members in Australia.
He passed away during 2007. These are a few photos of his work.

Barb


http://www.modvid.com.au/html/body_fred_gill_hon3.html
Group: S-Trains Message: 45370 From: Rick Evans Date: 10/19/2007
Subject: Re: In Memory of Fred Gill
Wow! Quite the layout!! Very detailed.
I like the bear sniffing at the bear skin hanging on a outside wall of
a building!


Fred Gill was one of the original NMRA members in Australia.
He passed away during 2007. These are a few photos of his work.

Barb


http://www.modvid.com.au/html/body_fred_gill_hon3.html



Enjoy thousands of great photos
at http://S-Scale.org/albums
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45371 From: Trains Date: 10/19/2007
Subject: Re: 0-8-0 smoke etc.
Thanks so much for that info...what a help this is. I do appreciate it very much.

By the way I am also looking into finding spoked driver replacement wheels for the 0-8-0, the former rex drivers are available at $20 a pop...thats a lot for me ($80), looking at HO and On3 also to find something suitable at a lower cost. Do you have any ideas along this line? I am trying to convert some MTH O scale three rail drivers for a High stepping atlantic conversion, I have removed the O tires and hope a friend will be able to turn me some new tires....we will see how that works.

Thanks again, Peter Loeb

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45372 From: lember2004 Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Your experience with the accuraccy of Stouut Auctions descriptions?
I'm considering making my first absentee auction bid. I would
appreciate knowing what has been your experience in how accurately
Stout Auctions describes the condition of items. Thanks!
Mark
Group: S-Trains Message: 45373 From: lember2004 Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Prices in Doyle's American Flyer Trains guide vs. Greenberg
After getting my copy of David Doyle's new American Flyer Trains
catalog, I looked up a couple of items on my "want" list. The prices
were low compared with the 2008 Edition of Greenberg's American Flyer
Pocket Price Guide. So, I did a semi-random sampling of about 45
items [by flipping through the pages of Doyle] and found Doyle's
prices for Excellent averaged only ~65% of those in Greenberg!
(Eliminating high & low outlyer data did not change the results.)
Greenberg states their prices are based on actual transactions over
the past year & Doyle says his prices are market value, implying both
book's prices should be about the same.
Your thoughts on this apparantly large discrepancy in price?
Mark
Group: S-Trains Message: 45374 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: 0-8-0 smoke etc.
hhhmmm,,, no ideas on the wheels,,,, but would be great information
to have if you should stumble across something. So please let me /
us know if you do.

cheers
phil d

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Trains" <rr4u@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks so much for that info...what a help this is. I do appreciate
it very much.
>
> By the way I am also looking into finding spoked driver replacement
wheels for the 0-8-0, the former rex drivers are available at $20 a
pop...thats a lot for me ($80), looking at HO and On3 also to find
something suitable at a lower cost. Do you have any ideas along this
line? I am trying to convert some MTH O scale three rail drivers for
a High stepping atlantic conversion, I have removed the O tires and
hope a friend will be able to turn me some new tires....we will see
how that works.
>
> Thanks again, Peter Loeb
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45375 From: Edward G. Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: Prices in Doyle's American Flyer Trains guide vs. Greenberg
The ONLY people getting rich are the people who produce those
guides ...the guides are not accurate only one persons estimate as to
what he thinks stuff is worth ...and its too bad they are even bought
or used ...


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@...> wrote:
>
> After getting my copy of David Doyle's new American Flyer Trains
> catalog, I looked up a couple of items on my "want" list. The
prices
> were low compared with the 2008 Edition of Greenberg's American
Flyer
> Pocket Price Guide. So, I did a semi-random sampling of about 45
> items [by flipping through the pages of Doyle] and found Doyle's
> prices for Excellent averaged only ~65% of those in Greenberg!
> (Eliminating high & low outlyer data did not change the results.)
> Greenberg states their prices are based on actual transactions over
> the past year & Doyle says his prices are market value, implying
both
> book's prices should be about the same.
> Your thoughts on this apparantly large discrepancy in price?
> Mark
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45376 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: Your experience with the accuraccy of Stouut Auctions descript..
I have found Stout Auction grading to be quite accurate.

Steve
Group: S-Trains Message: 45377 From: Phil K Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: Prices in Doyle's American Flyer Trains guide vs. Greenberg
I agree, Ed. I can't tell you how many times I went to homes after
people called me off one of my ads seeking American Flyer -- and I'd
see a Greenberg Guide off to the side, on a table. The people know
absolutely nothing about toy trains.

So they bought the guide to get some wisdom regarding pricing for
sale a family set that's been in the attic for years. One they're
sure is worth at least $10,000.

Or, as a worse alternative, they consulted the grossly overinflated
price lists on Marty's Trains or ClassicAmericanFlyerTrains on the
Internet. Of course, they don't know how to grade trains because
they're not in the loop, so they expect to get the E price no matter
how junky their stuff is because they have nothing to compare it with.
Makes those trips a waste of time and gasoline.

This latest price guide is said to be about 65 percent of Greenberg's
prices. A least maybe us buyers won't have such a tough time getting
people to accept a fair price for their attic stuff now that it's out.

Plus, I know the business and I don't think anyone is "getting rich" off publishing these guides. The national market for stuff Gilbert Flyer is pretty small -- I'd speculate he'll be fortunate if he can sell 3000 copies.


Phil K


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> wrote:
>
> The ONLY people getting rich are the people who produce those
> guides ...the guides are not accurate only one persons estimate as
to
> what he thinks stuff is worth ...and its too bad they are even
bought
> or used ...
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@> wrote:
> >
> > After getting my copy of David Doyle's new American Flyer Trains
> > catalog, I looked up a couple of items on my "want" list. The
> prices
> > were low compared with the 2008 Edition of Greenberg's American
> Flyer
> > Pocket Price Guide. So, I did a semi-random sampling of about 45
> > items [by flipping through the pages of Doyle] and found Doyle's
> > prices for Excellent averaged only ~65% of those in Greenberg!
> > (Eliminating high & low outlyer data did not change the results.)
> > Greenberg states their prices are based on actual transactions
over
> > the past year & Doyle says his prices are market value, implying
> both
> > book's prices should be about the same.
> > Your thoughts on this apparantly large discrepancy in price?
> > Mark
> >
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45379 From: paflyrman Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: Prices in Doyle's American Flyer Trains guide vs. Greenberg
I bought and like this book, because all four gauges are in one
volume. But unfortunately, like almost every other effort of this
type, it is full of errors and omissions.

paflyrman
---
In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote:
>
> I agree, Ed. I can't tell you how many times I went to homes after
> people called me off one of my ads seeking American Flyer -- and
I'd
> see a Greenberg Guide off to the side, on a table. The people know
> absolutely nothing about toy trains.
>
> So they bought the guide to get some wisdom regarding pricing for
> sale a family set that's been in the attic for years. One they're
> sure is worth at least $10,000.
>
> Or, as a worse alternative, they consulted the grossly overinflated
> price lists on Marty's Trains or ClassicAmericanFlyerTrains on the
> Internet. Of course, they don't know how to grade trains because
> they're not in the loop, so they expect to get the E price no
matter
> how junky their stuff is because they have nothing to compare it
with.
> Makes those trips a waste of time and gasoline.
>
> This latest price guide is said to be about 65 percent of
Greenberg's
> prices. A least maybe us buyers won't have such a tough time
getting
> people to accept a fair price for their attic stuff now that it's
out.
>
> Plus, I know the business and I don't think anyone is "getting
rich" off publishing these guides. The national market for stuff
Gilbert Flyer is pretty small -- I'd speculate he'll be fortunate if
he can sell 3000 copies.
>
>
> Phil K
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Edward G." <am-flyr@> wrote:
> >
> > The ONLY people getting rich are the people who produce those
> > guides ...the guides are not accurate only one persons estimate
as
> to
> > what he thinks stuff is worth ...and its too bad they are even
> bought
> > or used ...
> >
> >
> > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > After getting my copy of David Doyle's new American Flyer
Trains
> > > catalog, I looked up a couple of items on my "want" list. The
> > prices
> > > were low compared with the 2008 Edition of Greenberg's American
> > Flyer
> > > Pocket Price Guide. So, I did a semi-random sampling of about
45
> > > items [by flipping through the pages of Doyle] and found
Doyle's
> > > prices for Excellent averaged only ~65% of those in Greenberg!
> > > (Eliminating high & low outlyer data did not change the
results.)
> > > Greenberg states their prices are based on actual transactions
> over
> > > the past year & Doyle says his prices are market value,
implying
> > both
> > > book's prices should be about the same.
> > > Your thoughts on this apparantly large discrepancy in price?
> > > Mark
> > >
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45380 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: Prices in Doyle's American Flyer Trains guide vs. Greenberg
No insult to anyone


?


BUT the saying is those who can; do


those who? cannot do; teach


those who cannot teach , write books


?


Lets face it a price guide is just that a guide.? ? LOL???? Tom










-----Original Message-----

From: Edward G.

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sat, Oct 20 3:39 PM

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Prices in Doyle's American Flyer Trains guide vs. Greenberg













The ONLY people getting rich are the people who produce those

guides ...the guides are not accurate only one persons estimate as to

what he thinks stuff is worth ...and its too bad they are even bought

or used ...



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" ...> wrote:

>

> After getting my copy of David Doyle's new American Flyer Trains

> catalog, I looked up a couple of items on my "want" list. The

prices

> were low compared with the 2008 Edition of Greenberg's American

Flyer

> Pocket Price Guide. So, I did a semi-random sampling of about 45

> items [by flipping through the pages of Doyle] and found Doyle's

> prices for Excellent averaged only ~65% of those in Greenberg!

> (Eliminating high & low outlyer data did not change the results.)

> Greenberg states their prices are based on actual transactions over

> the past year & Doyle says his prices are market value, implying

both

> book's prices should be about the same.

> Your thoughts on this apparantly large discrepancy in price?

> Mark

>






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45381 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: THE DOYLE BOOK
What I like about the book is not the prices..... but the information..... True its an advertizement for STOUTS... But I find it really full of great photos from items they have sold.... also some of the odd numbers, where 3 didget items were put in 5 didget boxes are there..... The 21145 0-8-0 switcher with the original boxes ( I have 2) look great with their boxes... but all the other info..... for prices.... I will still stick with the Bubeck prices for now. as a rough guide times 50 %.. But face it.... Right now all PRICES ARE OUT THE WINDOW... I got a 620 Southern Gondola LN for 38.00......As most agree we are heading for rough times... Wonder how the sales went at YORK.... No reports yet... Bob C

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45382 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: hobby shops
Any good Hobbby Shops between Billings, Mt and Joseph, Or ????? Will be roaming that area next week for almost 2 weeks.... Bob Conner

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45383 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: Is something wrong with us?
In a message dated 10/18/2007 10:49:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rinphoto@... writes:

EVEN LIONEL, is putting more detailing into its AF products
Given the PREMIUM they charge for an old name, can they do otherwise???

Interestingly enough, the 1948 boxcar floors (stamped flat metal) LIONEL so
proudly uses on their "S" gauge eqpt NOW say AMERICAN FLYER by LIONEL LLC, Made
in China. Could it be that SOMEOME listened to my suggestion??? Not likely,
I would offer.

In a related note, at TCA's Eastern Div. York Gathering Thursday PM, a
gentleman asked a LIONEL Rep for a catalog. The Rep pointed out that they don't
give out catalogs (ONLY major manufacturer there NOT doing so, BTW) The
"gentleman" then went on a tirade about the "arrogance" of LIONEL, how they didn't
care for their customers other than their money etc. An elderly fellow (actually
50 was young at this event) standing close by then started to say that that
was not right, with almost tears filled eyes, he tried to correct the upset
customer. Everyone else within earshot seemd to agree with the first gentleman.
Ya can't make this stuff up, this is AFTER I was told to go to S-Helper's
booth to see running "S" trains by another LIONEL Rep. I know his name, see him
every six months.

Jim Lyle
Group: S-Trains Message: 45384 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Show report
In a message dated 10/20/2007 6:59:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rcon7@... writes:

Wonder how the sales went at YORK.... No reports yet... Bob C

I have no idea on sales, but, once again the prices are UP and the tables
were full of Flyer. Can't help but wonder WHAT would happen if ALL the stuff in
dealers hands was made available at reasonable prices instead of kept in
closets for six months at a time. One of the BIGGEST stumbling blocks with getting
into Flyer/S is the HIGH prices of almost everything (unless you buy from
Jim). Can't help but think that more constant sales would offset the lower
prices and actually help fill out collections because more would be available all
the time. There is LOTS of Flyer, mostly gathering dust and going up in price,
it would seem.
BTW, there has been a theory for years that price books are printed with a
random computer program, that research died in the 90's. Also if prices from
Stoudts, Maurers etc are considered normal-------------------------------

Jim "just thinkin" Lyle



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45385 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: Prices in Doyle's American Flyer Trains guide vs. Greenberg
Hi,

Now that this book is out, I tell give you allot of information about this book and David Doyle.

I never really knew of David Doyle and how he has writtne train books in the past, about Lionel.

I am told they are very good books, as I never seen them, since I am not into Lionel. The O TCA members I know very well love his Lionel books.

David called me, back in April, as he explained that he was going to be in the Washington DC, specifically at the National Archieves in College Park, MD. He wanted to know if he could come by, since he knew I had a large collection of vintage AF and if he could sent me via email PDF files of some chapter's in his book.

I explained to him that I am honored that he wants to do this with me, but I am no expert in AF, althought I think I have a fair knowledge on the subject but I know there are more out there, especially those on this list, that he could of called instead. But I said okay, as I explained to him this and he wanted me to review the chapters to see if I caught anything wrong.

David emailed me the chapters, as I looked at them and I was horrified, as some mentioned early on this emails that the prices where way off. I also mentioned that his pictures of the AF items, cars, accessories, etc., showed get wear and tear, like film on wheels, rust, nicks and stratches, and that he should tried to find AF items of better grades. I only found two errors in his book, as one was major and one was minor. For the USC Box/Flat Car set, he had the wrong rocket with it. He had the typical red white and blue, where the rocket should be a red cone and white body, as that rocket alone effects the value greatly. On the botton for the 957 action box car, he had the description for the wording on the button wrong, where I think he left out that the button had the number "957" on it. I told him I had better grades of many of the cars and that I had the USC with the original rocket. He told me that the pdf files where to late in the process of going to the printers and nothing could be change, like upgrading the pricing, the pictures or descriptions, as I am sure he had some more, as I foward the pdf's to a few on this list who I felt where better qualified to do than me.

I am not sure how the pictures and descriptions look in the actual book, as Mike Farner today told me he thinks the pictures are fine, as many of the pictures are from his collection. I think he told me that yesterday at York, as Mike is a fine seller of AF, very fair with pricing.

Since I have all the Greenberg books, for the purpose of reference pieces for pictures and decription and not pricing, since those prices are out dated anyway, I have no need for the books.

However, since the books are out of print and can be very expensive to buy at Ebay or train shows, I think there is a market for a good quality book on AF with realistic pricing.

I gave David a list of side by side pricing, as I still have those emails, of Greenberg vs. his and his where way out of line with the Greenberg.

If anyone wants a copy of the PDF's send me your email. A few of the chapters did not open, as he sent several at a time, to me. So, if when you get the email, don't panic, I will also send the email he sent me with the PDF that works.

As these email request come in, I will do a mass email to all in a few days, just to give me time to get all those who want these PDF's to come into to me.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45386 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: Prices in Doyle's American Flyer Trains guide vs. Greenberg
I think having prices in a book that are way off from where they should be, can really badly effect the market for any AF, in a hobby where the interest is not as great anymore, that will already effect pricing due to lack of demand for trains, as the future generation will not be into collecting trains.

Therefore prices will far, but a book like this, with bad pricing can make that happen faster.

I already expect not to recoup much of the money I spent on this trains in about 20 to 30 years from today, as I collect mainly for the enjoyment of the hobby.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45387 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: Prices in Doyle's American Flyer Trains guide vs. Greenberg
I just found a email when I email David on how he came up with these prices.

I have his response below:

By the way - the prices were arrived at primarily from a coast to coast survey of collectors. If there are some that you disagree with, I'll be glad to add your input to this data.

Thanks,
David
********************************************
I then asked him, who these collectors where and he never responded to me.

Did he contact any of you?

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45388 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: Prices in Doyle's American Flyer Trains guide vs. Greenberg
Sorry, long day at York and other things going on, as one line should read "prices will fall" not far.

Sorry.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Prices in Doyle's American Flyer Trains guide vs. Greenberg


I think having prices in a book that are way off from where they should be, can really badly effect the market for any AF, in a hobby where the interest is not as great anymore, that will already effect pricing due to lack of demand for trains, as the future generation will not be into collecting trains.

Therefore prices will far, but a book like this, with bad pricing can make that happen faster.

I already expect not to recoup much of the money I spent on this trains in about 20 to 30 years from today, as I collect mainly for the enjoyment of the hobby.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45389 From: Robert Boring Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: hobby shops
Hi Bob,

I was in the Elgin, Enterprise, Joseph area 3 weeks ago and didn't see a single hobby shop. Just some beautiful country. Check out the tram at Wallow Lake if it is running. It's a great ride. If you have time go to Sumpter Oregon and check out the Sumpter Valley RR and the Gold Dredge. Both worth the trip. I didn't look in Baker City to see if there is a hobby shop but the town has a neat old town area. Also if you like a steak dinner go to Hanes just out of Baker to the restaurant there. It's supposed to be one of the best.

Have fun.
Bob Boring
----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 3:21 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] hobby shops


Any good Hobbby Shops between Billings, Mt and Joseph, Or ????? Will be roaming that area next week for almost 2 weeks.... Bob Conner

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45390 From: ken_5556 Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: hobby shops
http://www.cwrr.com/nmra/Shopa-FM.html

Scroll down, down ,down & down.

With a little time, that's a lot of web sites.

Electric Train Outlet: St. Louis, MO. We specialize in Lionel and
American Flyer trains and accessories. (3/25/99)


Looks interesting.

Enjoy,

Ken
Group: S-Trains Message: 45391 From: ken_5556 Date: 10/20/2007
Subject: Re: hobby shops
Sorry,

I had Missouri on my mind.

http://www.cwrr.com/nmra/Cluba-NR.html

There's a few in Oregon.

Ken
Group: S-Trains Message: 45392 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 10/21/2007
Subject: Something wrong with us #2
Yep, there's something wrong with us.....
Collectors drove the prices of postwar Lionel into ridiculous
reaches back in the eighties, so Lionel (using the fifties tooling)
priced new trains by the market, not the cost of manufacture. They
weren't really postwar Lionel, but we fell for the pricing. We did
it to ourselves.
Collectors did the same thing with Gilbert Flyer, so Lionel (using
fifties tooling)did the same thing again. And again, it wasn't
really Gilbert, but we fell for the pricing. We did it to ourselves.
Dealers and avid collectors buy up everything they can get their
hands on, bunches of the same item in some cases. Much of it is
never run or even seen again. We pay their moronic prices. Then we
gripe because the stuff is too expensive and new people can't afford
to get into the hobby. We did it too ourselves.
My first train set was American Flyer. It started a life long love
affair with toy and model trains. I've worked in just about every
scale and gauge over the years including the ride on size stuff. But
today I buy S-Helper, American Models, Putt Trains, and have to get
Flyer "cheap" to rebuild to feed my addiction of running trains.
Price Guides, over priced dealers, and Lionel only help themselves
at the "expense" of the vast majority of train lovers everywhere.
But as long as we keep buying it, doing it to ourselves...There's
something wrong with us!
Stumpy Stone...flak jacket over a fire retardant suit at the ready.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45393 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/21/2007
Subject: Re: Something wrong with us #2
Well Stumpy,

I don't know about you, but I am done. I am done buying just about
anything vintage - junk or otherwise. I have two cabinets full of
projects to keep me busy for some time to come - not to mention a
lifetime's worth of work on the actual RR. Right now, the main
challenge is to construct enough yards and sidings on my 12 X 32
model RR to store everything I have worth running. Notice the
wording. I didn't say to "display my collection". I
said "running". I've migrated from a toy train layout to a high-rail
operating layout. I'm this close to a prototypical operation - as
soon as I figure out what to do with all the freight-forwarding
cards, waybills, etc I purchased recently after migrating to DCC.
And all along the way, I've always been one to share what I have
learned with this List - as I know you do too.

If I should experience a windfall and end up with more money than
brains, then I will replace everything with MIB vintage, tear open
the boxes, run 'em hard then put them away wet and throw away the
boxes. At that point, you can have everything I have right now to do
with as you please. I have to figure, tho that you are probably at
about the same point that I am - more projects than you have a
lifetime left to complete. So - IMHO - poo on the collectors who
collect for the sake of it. They are takers, not givers to the
gauge. Is there another side to this coin? If so, let's hear from
someone just how collectors make a valuable contribution to the gauge.

S Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45394 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 10/21/2007
Subject: Another video, American Models E8, DCC conversion, LokSound, B.R. sp
List;

Here is a link to a couple clips of my E8 by American Models DCC
conversion. Many folks who deal in LokSound, or enjoy the fun of
comparing LokSound to Soundtraxx complain about a lack of transition
sound on EMD phase one loco's, and they complain about the horn, and
in general complain about low sound volume. Always something to
complain about, he he.

These clips are examples of LokSound v3.5 with one of the "bass
reflex" speakers installed (only 1), a homemade phase one transition,
and a boosted horn. These are all neat things you can do with
LokSound, since you can program it aftermarket.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hus_kNRmbUI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLc8AICURbY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svb1Fh-tHPA

btw, when I made this clip, I failed to realize I had it set at 75%
sound level, it actually can be louder.

Hope you enjoy
cheers
phil d
Group: S-Trains Message: 45395 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 10/21/2007
Subject: Re: Something wrong with us #2
Bravo! Well said both of you!!

phil d

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...> wrote:
>
> Well Stumpy,
>
> I don't know about you, but I am done. I am done buying just about
> anything vintage - junk or otherwise. I have two cabinets full of
> projects to keep me busy for some time to come - not to mention a
> lifetime's worth of work on the actual RR. Right now, the main
> challenge is to construct enough yards and sidings on my 12 X 32
> model RR to store everything I have worth running. Notice the
> wording. I didn't say to "display my collection". I
> said "running". I've migrated from a toy train layout to a high-
rail
> operating layout. I'm this close to a prototypical operation - as
> soon as I figure out what to do with all the freight-forwarding
> cards, waybills, etc I purchased recently after migrating to DCC.
> And all along the way, I've always been one to share what I have
> learned with this List - as I know you do too.
>
> If I should experience a windfall and end up with more money than
> brains, then I will replace everything with MIB vintage, tear open
> the boxes, run 'em hard then put them away wet and throw away the
> boxes. At that point, you can have everything I have right now to
do
> with as you please. I have to figure, tho that you are probably at
> about the same point that I am - more projects than you have a
> lifetime left to complete. So - IMHO - poo on the collectors who
> collect for the sake of it. They are takers, not givers to the
> gauge. Is there another side to this coin? If so, let's hear from
> someone just how collectors make a valuable contribution to the
gauge.
>
> S Happens,
> Tim Brown
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45396 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/21/2007
Subject: Re: Another video, American Models E8, DCC conversion, LokSound, B.R
Hey Cap'n Video,

Hah! I saw those twin loudspeakers back there in the corner on the
first & third clip. THAT'S where all your sound is really coming
from! Busted! Heh-Heh-Heh. Just kidding. Since you have me totally
used to awesome DCC sound, what I noticed this time was the clickety-
clack of the wheels on the rails. Love those hoppers, too! Now, if I
could just get you to get rid of those lobster claws and use Kadee's,
set to NMRA height spec...

Lat3r...
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45398 From: Ted Walton Date: 10/21/2007
Subject: Is something wrong with us? Lionel Catalog
On Thursday (after 6 PM) at the Lionel booth, I asked a rep. if
Lionel was still sending out catalogs requested over their phone
number. I mentioned that I called about 2 months before York, left
my address on the voice mail to have a catalog sent to me. He said
,yes, that I should have received the catalog. I said I would give
it another try. He said No, You went thru enough trouble and he gave
me what he called his "personal" catalog. I said not necessary and
that I can make another call. But he insisted. I didn't think to get
or remember his name but he was probably in his 50's and was
extremely pleasant person. After all the static about Lionel, I feel
bad that I did have the courtesy to even get his name. The dumb think
is that you could buy the catalog for 1 or 2 dollars all over the
York halls - that probably cost Lionel $5 or $10 to print out.

Ted Walton

>Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:31:43 +0000
>From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>
>Posted by: "WJJIM@..."
>
>In a related note, at TCA's Eastern Div. York Gathering Thursday PM, a
>gentleman asked a LIONEL Rep for a catalog. The Rep pointed out that
>they don't
>give out catalogs (ONLY major manufacturer there NOT doing so, BTW) The
>"gentleman" then went on a tirade about the "arrogance" of LIONEL,
>how they didn't
>care for their customers other than their money etc. An elderly
>fellow (actually
>50 was young at this event) standing close by then started to say that that
>was not right, with almost tears filled eyes, he tried to correct the upset
>customer. Everyone else within earshot seemd to agree with the first
>gentleman.
>Ya can't make this stuff up, this is AFTER I was told to go to S-Helper's
>booth to see running "S" trains by another LIONEL Rep. I know his
>name, see him
>every six months. Jim Lyle



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45399 From: Phil K Date: 10/21/2007
Subject: Another perspective on paying for a catalog
Well, let's look at this from another perspective, from someone who
owns a business:

Each of those catalogs probably costs Lionel $8 to $10 each to produce.
They have to pay people to do the art, write the copy, design the
pages, proofread it, print it on expensive, coated paper, collate it,
trim it, bind it and pack it for $$$ shipping all over the country.

Lionel isn't stupid. It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to realize that
Lionel (and old American Flyer) catalogs have become a major
collectors' commodity -- just walk around any train show or look at
eBay. Ever see a similar market demand for other old catalogs? No way.

Say Lionel brings 50,000 catalogs (its cost $500,000) to York and
intends to do its customers right by distributing them free, by putting
them on a table in their booth -- self serve. In addition to some
legitimately decent people taking one copy (as intended), you'd have
every greedy pig in the fairgrounds walking by the Lionel booth every
10 minutes for the entire run of the show, grabbing two or three copies
each time. Or by the full box if Lionel left them unguarded.

Why this grab-a-rama? Because they're FREE, and because someday someone might be willing to pay the greedy pig a few bucks for them. Lionel didn't spend all that money to produce catalogs so they could sit in a pile in some collector's basement.

Ironic -- that at a couple bucks apiece, they're not in such big demand.

If having to pay a couple bucks for a catalog actually made someone cry
at a public meeting, I'd say that person needs to get some help in a
hurry. That's not normal behavior for an adult. It sure doesn't generate any empathy in me, that's for sure.

Phil K


>> In a related note, at TCA's Eastern Div. York Gathering Thursday PM,
a
> gentleman asked a LIONEL Rep for a catalog. The Rep pointed out that
they don't
> give out catalogs (ONLY major manufacturer there NOT doing so, BTW)
The
> "gentleman" then went on a tirade about the "arrogance" of LIONEL,
how they didn't
> care for their customers other than their money etc. An elderly
fellow (actually
> 50 was young at this event) standing close by then started to say
that that
> was not right, with almost tears filled eyes, he tried to correct the
upset
> customer. Everyone else within earshot seemd to agree with the first
gentleman.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45400 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/21/2007
Subject: Re: Another perspective on paying for a catalog
I believe most catalogs DO have a price on them, most people I have seen DO
ask for a catalog, as did the gentleman I mentioned. I hand out catalogs WHEN
I have them, altho many people obviously are collectors. Interestingly
enough, I have yet to see a "Modern" catalog (1967 and later) bring any real money.

Jim "loading "S" for Allentown" Lyle
Group: S-Trains Message: 45401 From: rdgroup427 Date: 10/21/2007
Subject: Re: Your experience with the accuraccy of Stouut Auctions descriptio
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lember2004" <lember2004@...> wrote:
>
> I'm considering making my first absentee auction bid. I would
> appreciate knowing what has been your experience in how accurately
> Stout Auctions describes the condition of items. Thanks!
> Mark
I recently purchased some Flyer through Stout Auctions. There terms
of condition were right on the mark. I was very pleased with their
service. There shipping was a lot less than I expected. Just remember
the add on percentage.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45402 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 10/21/2007
Subject: Re: Something wrong with us #2
I am glad it is not just my own feelings that Flyer S is overpriced.
These days my Flyer S purchases are far and few between. I have
fortunately thrown off the desire to have one of everything in the
range - quickly dropping that idea when I looked at the price common,
run of the mill diesels go for. Should my not great health enable me
to survive another four or five years, when the bottom drops out of
the pricing market, then I will start getting Flyer S again in
quantity. In the meantime there is a world wide variety of that not so
well scaled stuff, as well as overseas toy S to keep me happy at
prices more in keeping with their true value. And I have enough Flyer
to run on my S tracks. Alistair
Group: S-Trains Message: 45403 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: World's Greatest Train Show Photo Gallery
I will be taking down my photo gallery from the World's Greatest Train
Show held in Atlanta this February in the next few days and replacing
it with photos from my recent trip on the Blue Ridge Scenic Railway.
If anyone is interested in photos from the train show please check
them out at the following page:

http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bull+gator/WGHS_001/

Be sure to check out some of my other photos galleries as well as
those from our group members while you are there!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 45404 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: Reliance Train Show at York Pa
Many thanks to all who attended. Everyone said that sales were better than
last time. Perfect weather made the week so much more pleasurable. I hope
for the same situation in April.

See you at the Fest in 2 weeks.

Fred



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45405 From: clayton deich Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: Something wrong with us #2
Hi, I have been reading about this for some time now.
This has been going on for years. Why now is it so
bad, and not back in say 1980 when I picked up my
first 332 for $250 and I was thinking that was high
then. Ebay was not around then could that be the
reason for the price going up. I am sure if you had
seen the 332 you would of put a bid in for it too, but
know that it was priced right at the time. Now you add
the internet, and up and up the price will go. The
price will go down when no one will want the trains,
and we who love them have passed away too.


Clayton
--- Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote:

> I am glad it is not just my own feelings that Flyer
> S is overpriced.
> These days my Flyer S purchases are far and few
> between. I have
> fortunately thrown off the desire to have one of
> everything in the
> range - quickly dropping that idea when I looked at
> the price common,
> run of the mill diesels go for. Should my not great
> health enable me
> to survive another four or five years, when the
> bottom drops out of
> the pricing market, then I will start getting Flyer
> S again in
> quantity. In the meantime there is a world wide
> variety of that not so
> well scaled stuff, as well as overseas toy S to keep
> me happy at
> prices more in keeping with their true value. And I
> have enough Flyer
> to run on my S tracks. Alistair
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45406 From: frank emiro Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: Reliance Train Show at York Pa
I had a great time and it was nice to have met you. My orange NH bc doors look great. Frank

fredstrainparts@... wrote: Many thanks to all who attended. Everyone said that sales were better than
last time. Perfect weather made the week so much more pleasurable. I hope
for the same situation in April.

See you at the Fest in 2 weeks.

Fred

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45407 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: (no subject)
J Fred wrote:

I just got my TTOS, PRR hopper by "Big L". It still has the "L" version of the coupler, the one that doesn't open enough to uncouple. The car is marked built by ACG.
I wonder when they will start to ues what they got from K-Line?

#######################################################

According to Nick Ladd at York, the K-Line trucks will be on all new Lionel AF issues, including the Christmas cars. This in spite of the fact that all of the prototype AF cars on display used the Flyonel trucks. Apparently the TTOS car was previously done.

Joe

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45408 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: Another video, American Models E8, DCC conversion, LokSound, B.R
indeed, those hoppers do clickety don't they? I have an order all
filled out for a bunch of 802's,,,, I going to stick my feet in the
water up to my armpits!!

cheers
phil d

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Cap'n Video,
>
> Hah! I saw those twin loudspeakers back there in the corner on the
> first & third clip. THAT'S where all your sound is really coming
> from! Busted! Heh-Heh-Heh. Just kidding. Since you have me
totally
> used to awesome DCC sound, what I noticed this time was the clickety-
> clack of the wheels on the rails. Love those hoppers, too! Now, if
I
> could just get you to get rid of those lobster claws and use Kadee's,
> set to NMRA height spec...
>
> Lat3r...
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45409 From: Mike Rosz Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: David Doles catalog of American Flyer
How does one get a catalog of David Dole catalog

On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 15:31:47 -0000 "lamber" <lamber@yahoo> writes:
After getting my copy of David Dole's new American Flyer Trains
catalog, I looked up a couple of items on my "want" list. The prices
were low compared with the 2008 Edition of Green berg's American Flyer
Pocket Price Guide. So, I did a seminal sampling of about 45
items [by flipping through the pages of Dole's] and found Doles's
prices for Excellent averaged only ~65% of those in Green berg's!
(Eliminating high & low outlet data did not change the results.)
Green berg's states their prices are based on actual transactions over
the past year & Dole's says his prices are market value, implying both
book's prices should be about the same.
Your thoughts on this apparently large discrepancy in price?
Mark




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45410 From: Mike Rosz Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: My own two cents
Are there two different kinds of people?
Flyer collectors
and S operators

On Thus, 18 Oct 2007 10:54:26 -0400 termini@also writes:
Well Stumpy you are probably right, but collectors do what collectors
do.? everyone has the right to spend their money the way they want.?S is
a smaller than

O But I believe its growth rate is greater than O????Tom

-----Original Message-----

From: Stumpy Stone

To: Strains@yahoo groupscam

Sent: Thus, Oct 18 10:00 AM

Subject: [Strains] Is something wrong with us?

In reading Jim Lye's post, I got to thinking. Are we our own worst

enemy? Has the growth of S gauge as a whole been stifled by American

Flyer collectors?

He makes a valid point, there is plenty of good S gauge stuff out

there being made today, yet there is a large group of guys who seem to

turn up their collective noses at anything "not Giblet."

Not being a collector, I don't understand some of things hard core

collectors do. I run my trains because that's what they are for. But

I understand that most collectors never run their trains or even see

them again once they buy them! They buy perhaps six of each item,

then complain about the prices. Du, you just made the item rarer by

buying so many! Among vendors, Flyer collectors have a reputation for

being the cheapest and hardest to please of any of the groups of

collectors. Do you think this sort of thing gets noticed?

Yeah, I know...people are going to go off on me, so I'm putting a

flak jacket on over my fire retardant suit! But perhaps we ought to

look at ourselves sometimes and the image we present to other folks in

the hobby. Minorities such as us always attract more attention.

What do you folks think?

Stumpy Stone...weird in Appalachia

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45411 From: Mike Rosz Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] Re: AF switch controllers
I could use two, oh yes and maybe two same switches

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:44:50 -0000 "uvula" <uvula@yahoo> writes:
What's the number of controllers that you need?

Clayton

--- In Strains@yahoo groupscam, "Tom Haley" <thawed@...> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Kaftan
> . . . . I have been trying to get A switch controllers, but have had
hard
> time finding them at train shows. . . . . .
> > > > > > > >
> That's interesting to know. When SHES first brought out their turnouts
with
> the Armlike controllers for them, I bought a bunch of extra
controllers.
> I've taken them to hundreds of train shows and haven't sold one yet.
Guess
> I have to figures out how to advertise & display the obscure items
better.
> Tom Haley
> Lansing Milch
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45412 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: Another video, American Models E8, DCC conversion, LokSound, B.R
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@...> wrote:
,,,, I going to stick my feet in the water up to my armpits!!


Phil,

I only hope that when you do as you said, you are standing on Stumpy's
shoulders! Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha. Sorry, Stumpy - couldn't resist that one!

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45413 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: David Doles catalog of American Flyer
Mike,

Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains by David Doyle is a paper
back book. The MSRP is $32.99. I got my copy for a little over
$21.00 at www.amazon.com. It is also available from
www.walmart.com. I've also seen it on eBay with a Buy-It-Now price
around $25.00.

The UPC code is 0978089689515 and it is published by Krause
Publications. The prices listed seem low when compared to some of
the other pricing guides. Some of the information is not accurate
but it has a ton of useful photos and descriptions.

I use mine almost daily and keep it on my computer desk to help
research potential eBay purchases.

Happy Shopping!

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mike Rosz <n9guy@...> wrote:
>
> How does one get a catalog of David Dole catalog
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45414 From: Phil K Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: Is something wrong with us?
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...> wrote:
>
> In reading Jim Lyle's post, I got to thinking. Are we our own
> worst enemy? Has the growth of S gauge as a whole been stifled by
> American Flyer collectors?

Interesting question, Mr. Stone.

But let's ask it in reverse: what would S be today without Gilbert
American Flyer having attracting people to the scale? I came back to
toy trains because I had Flyer as a kid and after 9-11 wanted to
relive some of the good memories of my youth.

First I began buying Flyer to replicate what I had as a kid and was
lost. Then I was attracted to the other stuff. So today on my layout
I run Gilbert American Flyer, Flyonel, S-Helper Service and American
Models stuff -- plus some locos from Terry Putt and Tom Hodgson
(American Hi-Rail).

And I don't care what anyone else thinks about that mix because I do
it for my own enjoyment, not to fit myself into someone else's
concept of what a "proper" layout should be. Or to win approval
of a bunch of other operators. So I think American Flyer collectors
have been a positive for S.

> He makes a valid point, there is plenty of good S gauge stuff out
> there being made today, yet there is a large group of guys who seem
> to turn up their collective noses at anything "not Gilbert."

If you collect American Revolution paper money, why would you want to
buy WWII Reichmarks? S is a unique scale in that it can be a good fit
for everyone. It fits space better than O. It is easier to put S cars
on the track than those teeny HO wheels. You can go for the
full "tinplate" look with vintage Gilbert Flyer, or you can go big-
time scale with the products from SHS and American Models. If a guy
likes to run vintage Gilbert Flyer on a tinplate (not scenicked)
layout, then the finely-detailed SHS and AM stuff looks way out of
place on such a layout. Just as detail-free Gilbert Flyer looks out
of place on a highly-scenicked layout. I have yet to see
many "tinplate-looking" HO layouts (track on green-painted plywood)
-- they are all carefully and meticulously detailed. I don't
see HO running under anyone's Christmas tree. O scale, because of
its "closer to tinplate look" and silly, chopped-length proportions
does not fit well into a fully-scenicked layout, either.

So I see S as the best of both worlds. There are abundant choices
which make for a terrific opportunities not available in any other
scale. And to each his own -- that's the cool part of S, Stumpy -- it
can be whatever you want it to be. Can't easily do that with O or HO,
can you?

> Not being a collector, I don't understand some of things hard core
> collectors do. I run my trains because that's what they are for.
> But I understand that most collectors never run their trains or
> even see them again once they buy them!

Everyone's different. Some are collectors and buy stuff to squirrel
away or perhaps trade someday (that's what collectors do!). Operators
like you run their trains. Nothing illegal with either. And some guys
like me do both -- I have invested some money into collectible
trains, and I also run things. I run many of my collectibles, Stumpy.
There's a 21140 hooked to a string of Don Thompson's painted boxcars
on Main 1 of my layout.

> They buy perhaps six of each item, then complain about the prices.
> Duh, you just made the item rarer by buying so many!

If the prices were truly out-of-line, no one would buy them, right?
And I'd buy six of anything if that would instantly make them rarer
and boost their value. That would only be good sense, but I doubt it
is as simply as that.

Collectors of ANYTHING are all chronic complainers. But to me, the
worst are the guys who CLAIM to be collectors but they're really
acting as dealer-ho's -- they low-ball uninformed sellers by lying
about the true value of rare pieces, then turn around and sell them
for top dollar.

Complaining about prices is basic human nature. Name a few things
today that people purchase regularly that you think are priced fairly
when not on sale. Gasoline? Milk? Sliced cheese or lunchmeat? That
$2.49 loaf of brad? Meals in an upscale restaurant? $1.59 cans of
tomoato soup? The price of a cup of coffee at Starbuck's?

> Among vendors, Flyer collectors have a reputation for
> being the cheapest and hardest to please of any of the groups of
> collectors. Do you think this sort of thing gets noticed?

I do not know this to be any more true about Flyer collectors than
any other group. If being "cheap" means I'm trying to negotiate a
fair price and am unwilling to pay an outrageous price for an item,
then yes, I'm cheap. And if my telling a seller that his piece is VG
and not E as he has it marked and priced, if that's being "hard to
please" then I'm guilty there, too. That's called striking a bargain
in these parts, and I don't see any more of it among Flyer people
than any others.

> Yeah, I know...people are going to go off on me, so I'm putting a
> flak jacket on over my fire retardant suit! But perhaps we ought
> to look at ourselves sometimes and the image we present to other
> folks in the hobby. Minorities such as us always attract more
> attention. What do you folks think?
> Stumpy Stone...weird in Appalachia

I don't see Flyer people having a better or worse image than anyone
else in the hobby. And speaking for myself, Stump, and with all due
respect, I don't care about the image Flyer collectors present to
others in the hobby because I CAN'T CONTROL THE ACTS OF OTHERS. Only
myself. Most dealers at flea-market-style train shows are not
interested in me as a person -- all they care about is what's in my
wallet.

And based on hundreds of Flyer guys I have met and come to know
through my club and affiliated clubs, I don't see anything about
their behavior that should embarrass anyone.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 45415 From: muniman18 Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: collecting as opposed to running em
Phil,I salute both you and the Stump man.You both said it all.
Do what you want with you hobby,collect, play with it,and enjoy
yourself. The baseball card craziness lasted abt 5 years it was
stupid . I sold all my stuff when an old lady tried to sell me
a SHAQ card.... She had no idea what the heck she was talking
about. One guy put it together when he said "hey kid it's nothing
but cardboard. I've enjoyed the back and forth banter pro and con
but in the long run it's yours do what you wish.To paraphrase the
Stump MIKE, READING AND SMILING ON
L.I.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45417 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Prices
Stuff Gilbert built is 50 years old. Supply and demand are the big price factor, no matter if it's a collector or an operator buying.
But, how come it costs so much more for a Lionel re-issue of ACG stuff than for the re-issue of MARX under the K-Line name.
Even in the new K-Line by Lionel catalog they say $24.99 for cars, but they sure don't offer any ACG at that price.
I can't see why it should cost so much more to put out the ACG, you don't need more plastic, or have to ship more bulk, or weight. Where are the extra costs to justify a higher price?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45418 From: Phil K Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Collecting vs. running (Baseball fan alert!)
Mike --

When I first got into the professional sports biz, I believe there
were only three or four companies doing baseball cards -- Topps,
Fleer, Upper Deck and Donruss??

I was friends with the little old man, George Brace, who used to take
photos for those companies at Wrigley Field and Comiskey Park, on the
field before ballgames. He got one of every National and American
League player every spring -- then took more as needed -- when guys
were traded into different uniforms or brought up from the minors. Us
sportswriters would be down on the field, hanging around the batting
cage chatting with players and managers in the dugouts before the
games and George was right there every day with his camera.

He started working as an assistant for a man (George Burke) who had
been doing the same thing since around 1929, IIRC. Brace inherited all
of Burke's plates when the man died and took over the business.
Mostly, he made a few dollars here and there when the players would
order B&W postcards with their photo on them, to send to collectors.

Brace died in 2002, I think. His family said it has over one million
different baseball negatives going back to 1929.

Strange story: Brace lent about 8,000 of Burke's priceless negs
to a photo archivist in 1979, with the stipulation they would not
be sold. But the guy moved away and Brace could not find him to get
his negatives back.

After Brace died, his family moved to sell the negatives at a sport
auction when they found out the photo archivist's family WAS SELLING
those 8,000 never-returned negatives at the SAME auction house in the
SAME auction, claiming the archivist "bought" them from Brace. IIRC,
after Brace's family filed a lawsuit, the archivist's family could
not prove any payment to Brace (Brace's family had a letter signed
by the archivist in 1979 agreeing they were only on loan and were to
be returned).

You can see some of them at:

http://www.georgebracephoto.com

If you're any kind of a baseball fan, take a look at some of the
vintage photos in the online gallery. It'll knock your socks off.

Anyway, even though baseball card collecting had already turned into
a feeding frenzy, Brace told me he thought the whole industry was
a "house of cards" -- literally and figuratively -- because it would
not be that difficult for someone to reproduce rare baseball cards
should they ever become very valuable. He also said the companies
created their own license to "print money" as there were a lot of
obsessive collectors who automatically bought one or two of every
complete set ever made every year because they wanted to be able to
sell "complete" collections at big dollars someday and were deathly
afraid to "miss" a set to break up the continuum.

This counterfeiting, of course, would be much more difficult to
accomplish with rare trains today. Not impossible, but very, very
difficult.

Phil K





--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "muniman18" <muniman18@...> wrote:
>
> Phil,I salute both you and the Stump man.You both said it all.
> Do what you want with you hobby,collect, play with it,and enjoy
> yourself. The baseball card craziness lasted abt 5 years it was
> stupid . I sold all my stuff when an old lady tried to sell me
> a SHAQ card.... She had no idea what the heck she was talking
> about. One guy put it together when he said "hey kid it's nothing
> but cardboard. I've enjoyed the back and forth banter pro and con
> but in the long run it's yours do what you wish.To paraphrase the
> Stump MIKE, READING AND SMILING ON
> L.I.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45419 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: Prices
"But, how come it costs so much more for a Lionel re-issue of ACG stuff than
for the re-issue of MARX under the K-Line name.
Even in the new K-Line by Lionel catalog they say $24.99 for cars, but they
sure don't offer any ACG at that price.
I can't see why it should cost so much more to put out the ACG, you don't
need more plastic, or have to ship more bulk, or weight. Where are the extra
costs to justify a higher price?"



Maybe the "ranter" on Thursday was on to something. Apparently people pay
the price, passing up much higher quality products (at lower prices) in the
process. Such is the "sorrow" of "S"

Jim "amazed on the Keystone Main" Lyle



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45420 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: rat tail file
At York, I picked a electric utility poles kit made by Lehigh Valley Models.

The instructions says to use a "square rat tail file" I did a search on google on where to buy such file and I am not getting much.

I need to make a 3/32" groove file on the poles for the crossarms.

I am also to tapered or pointed at the top. Any ideas on how to do that.

Thanks for any help.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45421 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: rat tail file
You might check out Harbor Freight. They have several sets of small files
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=6989

Carl

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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:20 PM
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com; Toy Trains
Subject: [S-Trains] rat tail file


At York, I picked a electric utility poles kit made by Lehigh Valley Models.

The instructions says to use a "square rat tail file" I did a search on
google on where to buy such file and I am not getting much.

I need to make a 3/32" groove file on the poles for the crossarms.

I am also to tapered or pointed at the top. Any ideas on how to do that.

Thanks for any help.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45422 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: rat tail file
Mike...... Assuming the poles are 8" to 9" tall.... In my case I would use my table belt sander to shape the taper... with a little practice you can make nice one by using light pressure and rolling the pole..... when I had it to my desired shape I would use a small saw like an Exacto type to make very light scratches along the pole....... then I would use my band saw and cut a kerf by eye for the crossarm...... The stain all the wood with some VERY STRONG COFFEE to stain it the right color.... then glue it together..... pins could be used for a rough insulator when adding string..... remember wires are not straight.... they hang in a cantanary curve.... Anyway this is one way.... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:20 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] rat tail file


At York, I picked a electric utility poles kit made by Lehigh Valley Models.

The instructions says to use a "square rat tail file" I did a search on google on where to buy such file and I am not getting much.

I need to make a 3/32" groove file on the poles for the crossarms.

I am also to tapered or pointed at the top. Any ideas on how to do that.

Thanks for any help.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45423 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: Prices
Bottom line with plastic is the very expensive high pressure dies
required to mold the item. Recouping the cost and the consequent
cost per item depends on the quantity manufactured. Hence if Flyer
sales are less then each item is dearer. Alistair
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote:
>
> "But, how come it costs so much more for a Lionel re-issue of ACG
stuff than
> for the re-issue of MARX under the K-Line name.
> Even in the new K-Line by Lionel catalog they say $24.99 for cars,
but they
> sure don't offer any ACG at that price.
> I can't see why it should cost so much more to put out the ACG,
you don't
> need more plastic, or have to ship more bulk, or weight. Where are
the extra
> costs to justify a higher price?"
>
>
>
> Maybe the "ranter" on Thursday was on to something. Apparently
people pay
> the price, passing up much higher quality products (at lower
prices) in the
> process. Such is the "sorrow" of "S"
>
> Jim "amazed on the Keystone Main" Lyle
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's new at
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45424 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: rat tail file
Thanks Carl, as that is a big help.

I appreciate it.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Tuveson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:46 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] rat tail file


You might check out Harbor Freight. They have several sets of small files
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=6989

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:20 PM
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com; Toy Trains
Subject: [S-Trains] rat tail file

At York, I picked a electric utility poles kit made by Lehigh Valley Models.

The instructions says to use a "square rat tail file" I did a search on
google on where to buy such file and I am not getting much.

I need to make a 3/32" groove file on the poles for the crossarms.

I am also to tapered or pointed at the top. Any ideas on how to do that.

Thanks for any help.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45425 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Re: rat tail file
Thanks Bob, as I don't that type of equipment, but I will figure something out.

Maybe a pencil sharpener and then a exacto knife.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] rat tail file


Mike...... Assuming the poles are 8" to 9" tall.... In my case I would use my table belt sander to shape the taper... with a little practice you can make nice one by using light pressure and rolling the pole..... when I had it to my desired shape I would use a small saw like an Exacto type to make very light scratches along the pole....... then I would use my band saw and cut a kerf by eye for the crossarm...... The stain all the wood with some VERY STRONG COFFEE to stain it the right color.... then glue it together..... pins could be used for a rough insulator when adding string..... remember wires are not straight.... they hang in a cantanary curve.... Anyway this is one way.... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:20 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] rat tail file

At York, I picked a electric utility poles kit made by Lehigh Valley Models.

The instructions says to use a "square rat tail file" I did a search on google on where to buy such file and I am not getting much.

I need to make a 3/32" groove file on the poles for the crossarms.

I am also to tapered or pointed at the top. Any ideas on how to do that.

Thanks for any help.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45426 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Things seen at York.
I knew I was in York, when I saw a Billboard that had a big letters, FREE O.J. like for maybe Mr. Simpson, but then, I realized it was just real Orange Juice, as the billboard continued to say, with a dozen donuts, Maple Donuts.

We arrived at York, a little after nine am, as I went to the Silver hall to see Mike Farner, as he had a few items I needed and he was holding for me, to look at.

It seems that trying to find the inexpensive items are just as hard as the rarer AF pieces.

From Mike, I got a NH Flat with silver pipes to go with the 1958 Sunshine set and he had a 24043 B&M box car, that needed for a 20740 1958 set, that I upgrading, as that is the last upgrade I needed.

We then went to the Red hall, as I was able to find a 21099 engine that completed a set from 1958. I looked for Bill Trappen, as his table number was E-57. I did not see him anywhere, as the numbering was a bit weird for tables. I was following the numbers, as they where hard to see on tables, as I went from 10, 42 and then 35?

My searching continued as I still needed a five digit Mobil and Gulf (3 dome) tanker.

Oh speaking of prices, my wife Linda even knew these really awful looking AF cow on track was way over priced at $135! She trying to make up for all those Plasticville phone booth's she brought in the mid 90's for $35 a piece, as they where driven up in price due to a article on a layout that had over 90 on a layout, AF, too! I guess the demand has fallen, now you can get all you want for $10. So all that Econ stuff I learn in college does work. Hmm, maybe a exam question, Plasticville Phone booth or a thesis, better still.

Oh, in the parking lot, one security person was having a bit of trouble with a couple, as the wife missed the bus for downtown. They where asking where the bus would pick as he told them, but then they argued with him that last year it was they where are standing now. Poor guy, as the next bus he said was a hour, as we walked away, as he could not get it across to them that the bus was now somewhere else! Then we was the parking spot for the Eastern Division President where a car was parked with a tag from the mid west. I thought Dan lived in VA!? Oh, the best bumper sticker for trains, was, "Have A Tender Behind". Okay, that could mean many things.

Oh, in the morning I saw Bill and Carol Zide, as I have been emailing Bill allot and we where to have lunch together. I said hello Bill, as he had no clue who I was. LOL We had sent pictures of ourselves before, as I knew right away.

Then we headed for the Purple Hall and while at Doug Peck's booth, I saw this O gauger, Tom Bianculli, making a purchase for a S part. LOL. We talked as we where to have dinner with him, and the Zide's that night too.

By then, we headed for the Blue to finished out before lunch, as we met the Zide's in front of the cafeteria and headed out to the Left Bank, for lunch.

We had a great lunch as it was great to be with the Zide's.

We got back to the fairgrounds, as we finished the Blue hall, where I got to see Jim Patterson, who was a engineer for the US Park Service on the C&O Canal, as I told him about the bike accident.

We then headed to the Orange Hall, when we I picked a telephone pole (6 of them) kit and spoke to Joe Haenn, of Joe's Train Repair, as last year Joe and his wife, met us at U of MD for the FSU/MD football game last October, as we all froze to death! Then we saw Don and Robin Thompson of S Helper. Real nice people.

By then it was time to get to the hotel and get ready for dinner.

We stayed at the Quality Inn on Market St. Room could use a bit of remodeling, as I am sure the rest of the rooms could too. But it was okay. Heck, we had a spare room attached to the room, with a spare bed and no door between the rooms. I could of rented that out! LOL Oh, not a great sign for a hotel, with a whiskey bottle in the parking lot. LOL Must be Train People Gone Wild or something.

Anyway, we went to the Hampton Inn to wait in the lobby for Tom and the Zide's.

This man come in and started talking to us, as I had no clue who it was. It was TOM! I have had lunch with him in the past, seen him many times, talked to him on the phone, but I NEVER saw him without a hat on! LOL

The Zide's came down and we went to dinner and we had a great time, as we got back to the lobby at 11 and talked in the lobby till 12:30 AM. Oh, Bill and Tom where quite rude to me, as they spoke to each other about Lionel stuff I did not understand. Almost like speaking another language to a S guy. Just kidding. They explain to me a bit about wiring of track and accessories for the layout that I am about to begin. It was quite helpful.

Oh, in the white hall was Scott Kinzlen table, but we did not see him, as I knew he was either doing TCA business or walking the halls. We saw him in the blue hall, as well as Lou S., of Gaithersburg, as I know Lou is a fan of Neil Young and I asked if he has his tickets in November for the DC show. Yes, he said!

It was good to see them.

Oh, I heard one member complain about breakfast taking so long at Alexander's as I believe that is a diner in York where many go for meals. You have to realize, that any place that is a waitress type of business, and it very busy with other's, it will take time to get order's out. If anyone is in a hurry or has to be somewhere by a certain time, like the fairgrounds, either get there early like 7 am or before or go to a fast food place. That is the nature of the food business, as you can anywhere to a diner like this and it will be the same.

For lunch I highly recommend Five Guys on US 30, as that is a chain that started in the 1980's in VA. Five Guys are the sons of the owners. It is nothing but Burgers, Hot Dogs and Fries. Fast food real good. One of the best burger you will ever have and fries from Idaho potatoes cooked in peanut oil.

Some non train items at York, which is fine, as there was a electric football game by Lionel made in the 50's and a Chemistry Kit, probably maybe something that Joseph Lechner and Rance Velapoldi got as kids to get them on there way to their Ph.D's in Chemistry. Chem. kit was by AF,as they had a picture of a frog on the cover and all the things you could do to it!!!!

So that was Friday.

Mike Marmer


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45427 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/22/2007
Subject: Amended Friday.
Sorry about having some words missing in some of the lines I wrote, as I am a bit tired.

But I think that bottle in the parking must of been from all those skaters trying to get to the Nationals competition for the USA. LOL

I did not see any skaters in my hotel, but we did see a few at the Hampton Inn where the Zide's where staying.

I invited them to join the TCA, so that they could come back next year to York to rent out hotel rooms and hog up tables at Alexander's Diner.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45428 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: rat tail file
MIKE..... I thought about it last night...... another way is use an Electric drill and using sandpaper shape the pole.... Like a lathe.... I have a full woodworking shop too..... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] rat tail file


Thanks Bob, as I don't that type of equipment, but I will figure something out.

Maybe a pencil sharpener and then a exacto knife.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] rat tail file

Mike...... Assuming the poles are 8" to 9" tall.... In my case I would use my table belt sander to shape the taper... with a little practice you can make nice one by using light pressure and rolling the pole..... when I had it to my desired shape I would use a small saw like an Exacto type to make very light scratches along the pole....... then I would use my band saw and cut a kerf by eye for the crossarm...... The stain all the wood with some VERY STRONG COFFEE to stain it the right color.... then glue it together..... pins could be used for a rough insulator when adding string..... remember wires are not straight.... they hang in a cantanary curve.... Anyway this is one way.... Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:20 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] rat tail file

At York, I picked a electric utility poles kit made by Lehigh Valley Models.

The instructions says to use a "square rat tail file" I did a search on google on where to buy such file and I am not getting much.

I need to make a 3/32" groove file on the poles for the crossarms.

I am also to tapered or pointed at the top. Any ideas on how to do that.

Thanks for any help.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45429 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: The "other side of the coin"
Good morning all,

There have been a few posts about collecting vs. operating recently
and some have danced around "the other side of the coin" as I put it
a day or two ago. So I will play the "devil's advocate" and here is
a valid counter-argument as I see it:

Collectors have sustained the gauge when not many others of note were
much interested in it. We've all heard the stories of the Lionel
guys at York in the 60's & 70's who practically gave away
their "Flyer crap" back then just to get rid of it. They had to take
it when they bought the Lionel goodies that they wanted 'cuz it went
with the "take it all or leave it" deal. So who bought all
that "Flyer crap" from them back then? It was the collectors who
stood up. It wasn't me or very many guys like me - as Phil pointed
out. We were too busy. Sure, we had some Flyer around the house all
the time - for those floor layouts around the Xmas holiday. And yes,
there were notable exceptions - such as Stumpy - but they weren't the
mainstay. It was the collectors who we now bash up one side and down
the other. Why are we bashing them now? Ah, because NOW is when we
all want our toys back. I hate to say this, but to get them back at
the prices we want to pay, we have wish for all the collectors to -
well - die and their collections to be released by their widows.
Anyone on this List want to wish for that? I don't.

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45430 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: Prices
I agree with Alistair?? the fixed cost must be spread over the number of items produced.? Fewer items larger fixed cost.???? S has a population of about 3000 (growing?).??Remember K-line went belly: up the dies?(fixed cost) were probably acquired for pennies on the dollar .? Marx, K-line and Lionel are all O guage: larger market. althought each has its own nitch.? Same size can all be run on the same layout.


?


Just like heating your house, $300/month for 3 or 6 family members. Cost per person is $100 vs $50.?


?


Tom










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From: Alistair McAllister

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Mon, Oct 22 9:21 PM

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Prices













Bottom line with plastic is the very expensive high pressure dies

required to mold the item. Recouping the cost and the consequent

cost per item depends on the quantity manufactured. Hence if Flyer

sales are less then each item is dearer. Alistair

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> "But, how come it costs so much more for a Lionel re-issue of ACG

stuff than

> for the re-issue of MARX under the K-Line name.

> Even in the new K-Line by Lionel catalog they say $24.99 for cars,

but they

> sure don't offer any ACG at that price.

> I can't see why it should cost so much more to put out the ACG,

you don't

> need more plastic, or have to ship more bulk, or weight. Where are

the extra

> costs to justify a higher price?"

>

>

>

> Maybe the "ranter" on Thursday was on to something. Apparently

people pay

> the price, passing up much higher quality products (at lower

prices) in the

> process. Such is the "sorrow" of "S"

>

> Jim "amazed on the Keystone Main" Lyle

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45431 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: rat tail file
I am not an expert but I think rat tail refers to the non filing handle portion of a file.? Square you might find it at an auto parts store, or Sears on line.? Tom










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From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; Toy Trains

Sent: Tue, Oct 23 4:02 AM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] rat tail file













Mike...... Assuming the poles are 8" to 9" tall.... In my case I would use my table belt sander to shape the taper... with a little practice you can make nice one by using light pressure and rolling the pole..... when I had it to my desired shape I would use a small saw like an Exacto type to make very light scratches along the pole....... then I would use my band saw and cut a kerf by eye for the crossarm...... The stain all the wood with some VERY STRONG COFFEE to stain it the right color.... then glue it together..... pins could be used for a rough insulator when adding string..... remember wires are not straight.... they hang in a cantanary curve.... Anyway this is one way.... Bob

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael and Linda Marmer

To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains

Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:20 PM

Subject: [S-Trains] rat tail file



At York, I picked a electric utility poles kit made by Lehigh Valley Models.



The instructions says to use a "square rat tail file" I did a search on google on where to buy such file and I am not getting much.



I need to make a 3/32" groove file on the poles for the crossarms.



I am also to tapered or pointed at the top. Any ideas on how to do that.



Thanks for any help.



Mike Marmer



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45432 From: paflyrman Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: The Cost of Flyonel Today versus ACG Yesterday
In a recent posting someone asked why Flyonel costs more than other
current S products given that they are for the most part still using
dies they got from ACG.

I can't really answer that, but I was curious about how inflation
had affected prices over the years. I believe Professor George
Hoffer did a full article on this about a decade ago in CTT, but
decided to run this one simple comparison just for kicks.

I used a mid ACG S-gauge run date, 1956, and the catalog price then
for the top of the line boxcars, such as the 980-985, at $5.95. Then
using an inflation calculator found at www.westegg.com/inflation/, I
got a 2006 price equivalent of $43.27.

Since boxcars in the Flyonel catalog in 2006 carried a $54.99 price
tag, I have concluded that today's Flyonel is indeed a little high.
However, at York this past weekend, I was able to purchase a new
boxcar from this catalog for $36, a percentage off savings probably
not to be realized in 1956, and a fair amount less than $43.27.

I know this is not scientific and in no way conclusive as it looks
at only one item, but it does make me feel a little better when I
decide to pick up a Flyonel item from time to time. You can visit
this site and do this youself for any years or amounts.

paflyrman
Group: S-Trains Message: 45433 From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: rat tail file
OK GUYS AN GAL.... Heres the bottom line..... when I learned Woodworking I was always told a RAT TAIL FILE was a ROUND, ROUGH, FILE THAT HAD A TAPER AND LOOKED LIKE A RATS TAIL !!!!! and it was around 1/4" in diameter.....So I looked up the Deff

rat'-tail file'


a long, narrow file having a circular cross section.

Bob C


----- Original Message -----
From: tomminil@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] rat tail file


I am not an expert but I think rat tail refers to the non filing handle portion of a file.? Square you might find it at an auto parts store, or Sears on line.? Tom

-----Original Message-----

From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; Toy Trains

Sent: Tue, Oct 23 4:02 AM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] rat tail file

Mike...... Assuming the poles are 8" to 9" tall.... In my case I would use my table belt sander to shape the taper... with a little practice you can make nice one by using light pressure and rolling the pole..... when I had it to my desired shape I would use a small saw like an Exacto type to make very light scratches along the pole....... then I would use my band saw and cut a kerf by eye for the crossarm...... The stain all the wood with some VERY STRONG COFFEE to stain it the right color.... then glue it together..... pins could be used for a rough insulator when adding string..... remember wires are not straight.... they hang in a cantanary curve.... Anyway this is one way.... Bob

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael and Linda Marmer

To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains

Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:20 PM

Subject: [S-Trains] rat tail file

At York, I picked a electric utility poles kit made by Lehigh Valley Models.

The instructions says to use a "square rat tail file" I did a search on google on where to buy such file and I am not getting much.

I need to make a 3/32" groove file on the poles for the crossarms.

I am also to tapered or pointed at the top. Any ideas on how to do that.

Thanks for any help.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45434 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: rat tail file
Where I come from a rat tail file is a file with a round cross section.

Thanks to my high school shop teacher.



Chuck Smith

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Of tomminil@...
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 8:41 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] rat tail file



I am not an expert but I think rat tail refers to the non filing handle
portion of a file.? Square you might find it at an auto parts store, or
Sears on line.? Tom

-----Original Message-----

From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com; Toy
Trains

Sent: Tue, Oct 23 4:02 AM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] rat tail file

Mike...... Assuming the poles are 8" to 9" tall.... In my case I would use
my table belt sander to shape the taper... with a little practice you can
make nice one by using light pressure and rolling the pole..... when I had
it to my desired shape I would use a small saw like an Exacto type to make
very light scratches along the pole....... then I would use my band saw and
cut a kerf by eye for the crossarm...... The stain all the wood with some
VERY STRONG COFFEE to stain it the right color.... then glue it
together..... pins could be used for a rough insulator when adding
string..... remember wires are not straight.... they hang in a cantanary
curve.... Anyway this is one way.... Bob

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael and Linda Marmer

To: s-trains@yahoogroup <mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com ; Toy
Trains

Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:20 PM

Subject: [S-Trains] rat tail file

At York, I picked a electric utility poles kit made by Lehigh Valley Models.

The instructions says to use a "square rat tail file" I did a search on
google on where to buy such file and I am not getting much.

I need to make a 3/32" groove file on the poles for the crossarms.

I am also to tapered or pointed at the top. Any ideas on how to do that.

Thanks for any help.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45435 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: rat tail file
Mike,

As a lot of guys have already said a rat tail file is round and is
typically used for rounding holes in wood and metal. They can also
be used for filing some moldings. I have a nice assortment of rat
tail and other files from my Dad's toolbox when he was a machinist.
If you need to make a 3/32" groove with a file then you need either
a square or triangle file. I've got a bunch of those also from the
same tool box! Most home improvement stores, etc will probably not
have files smaller than 1/4". You may need to try a jeweler to find
a 3/32" file. I've also seen vendors at some train shows that have
large selections of small files, pliers, picks, etc. While you're
shopping you should probably get a file cleaner also to keep your
files cutting.

Good luck!

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer"
<mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> At York, I picked a electric utility poles kit made by Lehigh
Valley Models.
>
> The instructions says to use a "square rat tail file" I did a
search on google on where to buy such file and I am not getting
much.
>
> I need to make a 3/32" groove file on the poles for the crossarms.
>
> I am also to tapered or pointed at the top. Any ideas on how to
do that.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45436 From: Stan Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: Repairing a spotlight car
Hi Jim

I have repairde several of them on 3 of them I was able to puncjh out the scokrt with a punch (go easy) and resoder the wire on the last 2 I replaced it with a new socket and shield. The shields are the same that are on the flood light towers and gabe the lamp lighter. hope this helps stan
----- Original Message -----
From: James Hannawald
To: S-Trains
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:15 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Repairing a spotlight car


Want to thank those that replied. I know it was simple, Car is now back on
the track lighting thins up.

Again Thanks

Jim H.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "James Hannawald" <jhannawald@...>
wrote:
>
> I have a 646 search light car that needs to have the wiring
replaced. Does any one know if there is a simple solution to get to
the socket to rewire it?
>
> Thanks ahead of time.
>
>
> Jim H.
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45437 From: George Cohn Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: rat tail file
tomminil@... wrote:
>
>
> I am not an expert but I think rat tail refers to the non filing handle
> portion of a file.? Square you might find it at an auto parts store, or
> Sears on line.? Tom
>

Actually a rat-tail file is a small round file, hence the comparison
with a rat's tail! A good explanation of file types can be found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_(tool)

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 45438 From: roy inman Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: The Cost of Flyonel Today versus ACG Yesterday
While Lionel's Flyer stuff is a bit pricey, what is most puzzling to me is
why Lionel charges more for the S gauge Flyer than for the O gauge in an
equivalent piece of equipment. I refer specifically to the Christmas cars.
The S cars of the same style and paint job are priced higher than the O
equivalent every year. And as we all know, the detailing on the Flyonel is
pretty basic.

I understand that there are economies of mass production, and that there is
perhaps less demand for the S version (although I am not entirely certain
that is the case). On the other hand, since the S cars are smaller, there is
less material used, and as has been pointed out, L already has the molds

Roy Inman

From: paflyrman <hblanier@...>
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:32:38 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] The Cost of Flyonel Today versus ACG Yesterday


In a recent posting someone asked why Flyonel costs more than other
current S products given that they are for the most part still using
dies they got from ACG.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45439 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: The Cost of Flyonel Today versus ACG Yesterday
I think demand and supply is the big factor maintaining high prices for new
Flyonel stuff. There are lots of eBay auctions where the prices are less than
catalog list. I think Lionel is real careful with the quantity they make
available. They don't make a whole lot more than they expect will be purchased
by collectors. I think they have recently come out with a little too much
product of plain items like boxcars, hoppers etc. But the new items that are
really nice (despite ridiculous design flaws in the dining car), like the UP
heavyweight passenger cars are fetching top dollar. Both collectors and operators
would like to have these. They could sell a ton of these cars if they made
them in more roadnames and made individual cars for sale. But they have to
maintain a scarcity to keep the prices high.

This scarcity is also why some of the old AC Gilbert items fetch high prices.
Especially some really junky boxcars with Pikemaster couplers and other
characteristics of poor quality. They were so bad that few were sold, thus the
scarcity when more people became collectors. But look at the prices on the
more common boxcars, like the Katy's, which were of a higher quality than most of
those Pikemaster pieces of junk. Prices seem to be coming down on the Katy's
and similar product that sold well and are not scarce.

- Earl Henry, Nashville

In a message dated 10/23/2007 9:35:17 AM Central Daylight Time,
hblanier@... writes:

In a recent posting someone asked why Flyonel costs more than other
current S products given that they are for the most part still using
dies they got from ACG.

I can't really answer that, but I was curious about how inflation
had affected prices over the years. I believe Professor George
Hoffer did a full article on this about a decade ago in CTT, but
decided to run this one simple comparison just for kicks.

I used a mid ACG S-gauge run date, 1956, and the catalog price then
for the top of the line boxcars, such as the 980-985, at $5.95. Then
using an inflation calculator found at www.westegg.using an inflausin
got a 2006 price equivalent of $43.27.

Since boxcars in the Flyonel catalog in 2006 carried a $54.99 price
tag, I have concluded that today's Flyonel is indeed a little high.
However, at York this past weekend, I was able to purchase a new
boxcar from this catalog for $36, a percentage off savings probably
not to be realized in 1956, and a fair amount less than $43.27.

I know this is not scientific and in no way conclusive as it looks
at only one item, but it does make me feel a little better when I
decide to pick up a Flyonel item from time to time. You can visit
this site and do this youself for any years or amounts.

paflyrman





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45440 From: Scale S Only Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: The Cost of Flyonel Today versus ACG Yesterday
I just wish my income rose at the same rate as inflation! I would defintely be a rich man...

Have fun!
Bill Winans


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From: paflyrman
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:32 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] The Cost of Flyonel Today versus ACG Yesterday


In a recent posting someone asked why Flyonel costs more than other
current S products given that they are for the most part still using
dies they got from ACG..........................


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45441 From: Rick Evans Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: My 2007 Fall Layout/Village
Photos are posted at:
http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer_002/bassflyer/bassflyer_005/

I'm sure I'll be adding more, so check back in!

Rick.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45442 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: rat tail file
A rat tail file is a round tapered file. I too took wood and metal shops in
school in the early 50s and they were rat tails than and they are rat tails
now. The square part that inserts into a wooden handle is called the "tang".
Trust me on this....

Steve
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45443 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: York Saturday
After having breakfast we headed back to the fairgrounds, as I needed to pick up a 21130 Hudson that Doug Peck had put a new E unit in it, as it has no collectable value to it, as someone painted it up with silver trim paint. He did not realize that I had touched it up with black semi flat Kylon paint. Pretty good job of it, so I will be doctoring all my items now for bigger bucks. Just kidding.

I also had a 326 Hudson, that I burnt out a armature on it, as I am deadly with trying to repair engines. Learning process.

Anyway, we spent time with Joe Haenn, Don Thompson, had a great talk about baseball with Hiram and Don's business partner, Bill.

We headed over to Doug and did the engine exchange. We then headed over to see the train layout in the black hall, as we saw this man in a Penn State jacket and Linda noted it was a Rose Bowl jacket, as we where going to say something to him, but we got looking at the layout.

We then went back to Red Hall to try to find Bill Trappen, as sadly, I never caught up with Joe Lechner. Bill was not there, but his wife was.

Finally this man come in the hall, it was Bill wearing that PSU jacket!! We talked and then it was time to go.

But we wanted to see the new baseball stadium at York and headed for N. George st, as there where allot of RR tracks and a station now used for business. Many freight stations, one being torn down, switch towers, rail cars, and a huge Penn Supreme plant, (dairy) that was real old, not in use, with a huge smoke stack that had Penn Supreme on it in white brick. I am sure this will torn down someday. The baseball stadium for a short season league, was amazing, as they are still doing work on it, as we where able to get inside the park and get pictures. They had the TCA favorite item being advertised on the outfield wall, Maple Donuts. The scoreboard is like the type of Fenway Park.

But across the street was a place and a painted billboard for it, called "Cupid's" a adult type of place, and it is not a hobby shop. Erney of FL told me that is what Tank cars are for, transporting the oils and lotions sold there!

Oh, at the Orange hall, we spent time with a rep from Scenic Express going over things for the layout, as he gave me the idea of mixing light and dark gray ballast for a true effect. As we walked the RR tracks by the stadium, the ballast was a mixture, so that will work. He gave us a catalog and Linda was looking through and notice they had a section on their website where you had to be over 18 to enter! LOL

Where has this hobby gone wrong!! LOL

So, another York is over.

We are headed back to Gettysburg PA Thursday to ride the train, then to Lancaster, to see the museum, as I have a brick in the walkway. We will see the new ballpark in Lancaster too, as well as the James Buchanan home. We done all the other train things, so this time a bit different.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45444 From: Larry Moore Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Guilford Station
To the group, Just acquired a Guilford Station. Bought the control switch separate. All wires are missing on control. Could someone please provide a picture of the bottom of control showing wire and color hook-up scheme. I have wiring instructions for the unit. I just need to know which wire goes where on bottom of control. Thanks in advance, Larry Moore
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45445 From: Larry Moore Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Before and After Branford Diner
To the group, Please check out my restoration of a Branford Diner at our s-trains photo site. Thanks go to Doug Peck for the lettering and new window inserts. I hate to see any Flyer piece trashed so I feel compelled to restore them when I can. I know it doesn't set well with some ACG purists, but I can afford to have them when I can buy them in the shape this one was. I welcome all comments both good and bad . Thanks, Larry Moore
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45446 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Something's wrong!
I just realized when I am at York, I know more TCA members, by face, who are on the dark side of things, O gauge, then I do S gauge!

Having lunch and Dinner with them too now!

Almost like a Night of the Living Dead movie or something like that! LOL

Maybe it is just a dream! I think Neil Young sings about a dream on his latest CD, as he says "it's only a dream, just a dream".

Mike Marmer



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45447 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
I went to the S-Trains photo site and could not find an album or photo by
Larry Moore.



Chuck Smith

http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

cesmith@...



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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Larry Moore
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:37 PM
To: s-trains
Subject: [S-Trains] Before and After Branford Diner



To the group, Please check out my restoration of a Branford Diner at our
s-trains photo site. Thanks go to Doug Peck for the lettering and new window
inserts. I hate to see any Flyer piece trashed so I feel compelled to
restore them when I can. I know it doesn't set well with some ACG purists,
but I can afford to have them when I can buy them in the shape this one was.
I welcome all comments both good and bad . Thanks, Larry Moore
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45448 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
On S Helper's layout they took a Plasticville Produce stand and turned into a Passenger station.

Looked real nice.

I would of gotten a picture of it, but no pictures inside the halls of York. LOL

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45449 From: tedcanflyer Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: NJ International vs. Z Stuff crossing gates
I am looking at using NJ International or Z Stuff crossing gates on my
new S portable layout. I have checked the websites of these two but the
sizes [in inches] are not listed. Also, the Z stuff gates have a bell
sound, which I would prefer, if it sounds good. NJ Inter. does not have
sound or offer sound. Can anyone who has experienced these crossing
gates help me choose one over the other?

Thanks before hand to any help I may get.
Ted
Group: S-Trains Message: 45450 From: lember2004 Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: Re: The Cost of Flyonel Today
There has been discussion on why Lionel AF prices are high when their
apparant costs are low (because they do not need to invest in new
molds.) My experience is that a company usually doesn't set its price
based on the cost of manufacture, but rather on how much the product
can be successfully sold for in the current market.
A little more technically, for each possible price being considered,
the company estimates the volume that will be sold at that price;
mutiplying that price & the corresponding volume and then subtracting
the cost reveals the profit at that price. A smart company then
selects the price that maximizes profit.
Mark
Group: S-Trains Message: 45451 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 10/23/2007
Subject: s-scale.org ? ?
Is it me? I can't seem to get into s-scale.org?

jfred

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45452 From: roy inman Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: s-scale.org ? ?
Are you talking about the s-scale list at Yahoo or the nasg.org site?

Roy Inman

From: JFrederick Roberts
Subject: [S-Trains] s-scale.org ? ?


Is it me? I can't seem to get into s-scale.org?

jfred
Group: S-Trains Message: 45453 From: roy inman Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: NJ International vs. Z Stuff crossing gates
Z Stuff is not really S. It is O sized. To make it appear more S like, the
base needs to be somehow buried in the layout.

Roy Inman

From: tedcanflyer <rturczak@...>
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 04:25:36 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] NJ International vs. Z Stuff crossing gates


I am looking at using NJ International or Z Stuff crossing gates on my
new S portable layout. I have checked the websites of these two but the
sizes [in inches] are not listed. Also, the Z stuff gates have a bell
sound, which I would prefer, if it sounds good. NJ Inter. does not have
sound or offer sound. Can anyone who has experienced these crossing
gates help me choose one over the other?

Thanks before hand to any help I may get.
Ted






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45454 From: Larry Moore Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
To all, Sorry the pics of the Branford Diner are under aftrainco at s-trains photos. Larry


To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: cesmith@...: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:48:11 -0400Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Before and After Branford Diner




I went to the S-Trains photo site and could not find an album or photo byLarry Moore.Chuck Smithhttp://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/cesmith@..._____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On BehalfOf Larry MooreSent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:37 PMTo: s-trainsSubject: [S-Trains] Before and After Branford DinerTo the group, Please check out my restoration of a Branford Diner at ours-trains photo site. Thanks go to Doug Peck for the lettering and new windowinserts. I hate to see any Flyer piece trashed so I feel compelled torestore them when I can. I know it doesn't set well with some ACG purists,but I can afford to have them when I can buy them in the shape this one was.I welcome all comments both good and bad . Thanks, Larry Moore__________________________________________________________Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop bytoday.http://www.cafemess<http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline> enger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline[Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45455 From: Trains Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: rat tail file
Hi, you can chuck up the pole in a battery powered hand drill, then taper top with sand paper held at an angle, stiffen paper by taping a strip to a small board with double sided tape or use an emery board for finger nails. Some pole tops are cut at an angle one way / or two way /\ . This is to drain water and help extend life of pole. The notch in side for cross beams can be achieved by first sawing two fine kerfs with razor saw then poping out piece between kerfs with an exacto blade, or use a square needle file or narrow edge of a small bastard file. Always make a smaller cut and test fit, can file a little to get precise fit...cut too much and it's too bad.

Peter Loeb



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45456 From: don@showcaseline.com Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: Plasticville Produce Stand converted to passenger station
Dear Mike,
The Plasticville Produce Stand was kit-bashed to a small train station by Vic Roseman. I think it was for an article for CTT a few years ago. Most of the structures on our layout are Plasticville converts done by Vic for CTT. We will have these on the layout at he S Fest next week.
Best regards,
Don

From Mike L...

>On S Helper's layout they took a Plasticville Produce stand and turned into a
>Passenger station.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45457 From: G C Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: Plasticville Produce Stand converted to passenger station
Don, I know how busy you are, but if you would ever get the time, it would be great to see some photos of Vic's work. Perhaps you could post a few of them. Also, if anyone has the reference as to the CTT issue that the station kitbash was in, it would be a great help to this addicted P'ville basher. I'm a big V.R. fan as well.

Thanks, Gene Cimino

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45458 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Files
Someone referred me to a nice set of six files to purchase.

I was able to make the grooves in a pole and I have 2 crossbars drying on the pole.

I used a heavy grit sandpaper to tamper the top, as that worked great.

So, I think I will be fine, as I just got a package of 6 to try, as the layout should start in a week.

Now, my next question is how far apart on a S layout the poles might be?

This could be dangerous, first I make the billboard, and now, I might become a telephone building expert. LOL

Oh, I forgot, I have to build the table next, which I did as a kid in 1974, well, 19.

Thanks for all the suggestions about the files.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45459 From: reynoldsjmus Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: AF value comparisons
many thanks to palflyman for his analysis on the boxcar value. in my
case, i started buying operator quality items back in the early 70's,
mostly from don lorance in st. louis and dave garrigues in chicago. i
estimate they are now worth about 5 times what i paid. around the same
time, my broker told me to start an ira in stocks, which i did, all in
railroad stocks. it is now worth 16 times my cost. so my advice to
younger folks is to buy stocks, then convert to whatever they are into
when they retire.... dale
Group: S-Trains Message: 45460 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Larry;

Wonderful job!! Before your efforts it was truly a piece of trash,
nice work.

phil d

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote:
>
> To the group, Please check out my restoration of a Branford Diner
at our s-trains photo site. Thanks go to Doug Peck for the lettering
and new window inserts. I hate to see any Flyer piece trashed so I
feel compelled to restore them when I can. I know it doesn't set well
with some ACG purists, but I can afford to have them when I can buy
them in the shape this one was. I welcome all comments both good and
bad . Thanks, Larry Moore
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45461 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: Plasticville Produce Stand converted to passenger station
Thanks Don, as I hope I did not give your trade secrets away.

Cell Raisers Unite!
Oh we had Coffee cups with that on it and T Shirts! Just Cell Raisers , no uniting.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: don@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:41 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Plasticville Produce Stand converted to passenger station


Dear Mike,
The Plasticville Produce Stand was kit-bashed to a small train station by Vic Roseman. I think it was for an article for CTT a few years ago. Most of the structures on our layout are Plasticville converts done by Vic for CTT. We will have these on the layout at he S Fest next week.
Best regards,
Don

From Mike L...

>On S Helper's layout they took a Plasticville Produce stand and turned into a
>Passenger station.
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45462 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Great restoration Larry- one of the most dramatic I’ve ever seen.



Chuck Smith

http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Larry Moore
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:37 PM
To: s-trains
Subject: [S-Trains] Before and After Branford Diner



To the group, Please check out my restoration of a Branford Diner at our
s-trains photo site. Thanks go to Doug Peck for the lettering and new window
inserts. I hate to see any Flyer piece trashed so I feel compelled to
restore them when I can. I know it doesn't set well with some ACG purists,
but I can afford to have them when I can buy them in the shape this one was.
I welcome all comments both good and bad . Thanks, Larry Moore
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45463 From: Scale S Only Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: NJ International vs. Z Stuff crossing gates
Hi Ted --

The NJI gates are just that, gates -- no drive, no light driver, no sensors
or other accessories, like bells. Tomar makes HO gates that are really
closer to S that include a good drive, but no sensors or accessories, but
are more than twice the price of NJI gates. Both NJI and Tomar gates are
about 4" on the arm. I can't speak for Z stuff but would like a report if
you should use them.

Good luck!
Bill Winans


I am looking at using NJ International or Z Stuff crossing gates on my
new S portable layout. I have checked the websites of these two but the
sizes [in inches] are not listed. Also, the Z stuff gates have a bell
sound, which I would prefer, if it sounds good. NJ Inter. does not have
sound or offer sound. Can anyone who has experienced these crossing
gates help me choose one over the other?

Thanks before hand to any help I may get.
Ted
Group: S-Trains Message: 45464 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: The Cost of Flyonel Today
All The Traffic Will Bare!

lember2004 <lember2004@...> wrote: There has been discussion on why Lionel AF prices are high when their
apparant costs are low (because they do not need to invest in new
molds.) My experience is that a company usually doesn't set its price
based on the cost of manufacture, but rather on how much the product
can be successfully sold for in the current market.
A little more technically, for each possible price being considered,
the company estimates the volume that will be sold at that price;
mutiplying that price & the corresponding volume and then subtracting
the cost reveals the profit at that price. A smart company then
selects the price that maximizes profit.
Mark
Group: S-Trains Message: 45465 From: roy inman Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: Plasticville Produce Stand converted to passenger station
I seem to recall more than one article about kitbashing Plasticville that
appeared in CTT.

I too am wondering if anyone has reference those articles, including the one
Gene mentions.

Roy Inman

From: G C <ecphora123@...>
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:29:00 -0700 (PDT)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Plasticville Produce Stand converted to
passenger station


Don, I know how busy you are, but if you would ever get the time, it would
be great to see some photos of Vic's work. Perhaps you could post a few of
them. Also, if anyone has the reference as to the CTT issue that the station
kitbash was in, it would be a great help to this addicted P'ville basher.
I'm a big V.R. fan as well.

Thanks, Gene Cimino
Group: S-Trains Message: 45466 From: paflyrman Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Flyonel Heavyweight Lighting On/Off Switch
These cars were advertised as having an on/off switch for the
lighting. Am I going blind, or did they not make it into the
production items?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45467 From: don@showcaseline.com Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: NJ International vs. Z Stuff crossing gates
Dear Bill,
We are becoming dealers for the company that makes the pcbs that use optical detectors to control the servos operating NJI crossing gates and/or semaphores. The basic kit (8000) will control either two gates or two semaphores. The gates can either be controlled for b-directional single track or two track single direction. Expansion kits (8001) will also be available for additional tracks single or bi-directional.
Best regards,
Don
PS Why do you think that the Tomar gates are closer to S than the NJI?

>Hi Ted --
Tomar makes HO gates that are really closer to S...
>Bill Winans
Group: S-Trains Message: 45468 From: jnr59@aol.com Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: ONLY 8 DAYS LEFT TIL THE FALL S FEST IN ST LOUIS, BIGGEST SHOW EVER-
Group,
Just a reminder about the upcoming F S Fest here in St. Louis so....... plan
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buddys and enjoy THE BIGGEST S GUAGE TRAIN VENDOR SHOW EVERY here on Friday,
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45469 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Terrific job Larry! Le'ts see more from Moore!

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45470 From: Scale S Only Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: NJ International vs. Z Stuff crossing gates
Hi Don --

You misinterpreted what I wrote re: Tomar signals. They are closer to S
than HO, IMHO. The NJI signals are right on (I have some of both)...

Glad to hear about the drivers! You can put me down for at least two
sets... (unless they are more than $100!).

Have fun!
Bill Winans

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NJ International vs. Z Stuff crossing gates


PS Why do you think that the Tomar gates are closer to S than the NJI? --
Don

Hi Ted --
Tomar makes HO gates that are really closer to S...
Bill Winans
Group: S-Trains Message: 45471 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: NJ International vs. Z Stuff crossing gates
I wonder if there will be any dealers or layouts displaying these products
(NJ International, Z Stuff, or Tomar) at the S Fest in St. Louis - Earl Henry

In a message dated 10/24/2007 2:35:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
don@... writes:

Dear Bill,
We are becoming dealers for the company that makes the pcbs that use optical
detectors to control the servos operating NJI crossing gates and/or
semaphores. The basic kit (8000) will control either two gates or two semaphores. The
gates can either be controlled for b-directional single track or two track
single direction. Expansion kits (8001) will also be available for additional
tracks single or bi-directional.
Best regards,
Don
PS Why do you think that the Tomar gates are closer to S than the NJI?

>Hi Ted --
Tomar makes HO gates that are really closer to S...
>Bill Winans





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45472 From: Tom Detmer Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: Plasticville Produce Stand converted to passenger station
Roy and Gene,

I have a database for CTT that I've created over the years (yes, I know,
it sounds like I have too much time on my hands but it really wasn't
that hard to do in incremental bits i.e. just add a few articles every
issue over all that time). It goes back about sixteen years and I can
search it for Plasticville and give you the references to articles about
Plasticville and kitbashing in particular. I suspect that CTT has it's
own index but who knows. Let me know if you want me to search for
Plasticville articles, particularly something about the produce stand if
it was ever addressed specifically.

Tom Detmer

roy inman wrote:
>
> I seem to recall more than one article about kitbashing Plasticville that
> appeared in CTT.
>
> I too am wondering if anyone has reference those articles, including
> the one
> Gene mentions.
>
> Roy Inman
>
> .
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45473 From: Marty.Thorin Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: OT - Vancouver, BC
(Hollow voice) Good evening...

I will be in Vancouver, BC next week, which includes Halloween. I shall
be busy during the days at the BMC World contention. But I will be free
in the evenings. I will be staying at the Vancouver Convention &
Exhibition Centre, in downtown Vancouver, on the sound. I will not have
a car. What does Vancouver offer an S Scaler who is interested in
electric transportation (historic and today)?

Please replay off-list.
Thanks!
Thorin


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45474 From: roy inman Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: Plasticville Produce Stand converted to passenger station
Hi Tom;

I would like to take you up on your offer to search your database for
Plasticville construction, kitbashing and the produce stand.

And I am considerably impressed by your archival efforts!!

I saw and have around here somewhere, a great article from Vic Roseman
detailing the kitbashing and upgrading of the Plasticville coaling tower. I
think that Don Thompson was so taken with it that he bought one from Vic for
the S-Helper traveling layout, which I am looking forward to seeing at S
Fest in St. Louis.

Roy Inman, saving his pennies in Lenexa, KS for the trip across the wide,
wide Missouri to St. Louis!!

From: Tom Detmer <detmer@...>
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:37:50 -0500
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Plasticville Produce Stand converted to
passenger station


Roy and Gene,

I have a database for CTT that I've created over the years (yes, I know,
it sounds like I have too much time on my hands but it really wasn't
that hard to do in incremental bits i.e. just add a few articles every
issue over all that time). It goes back about sixteen years and I can
search it for Plasticville and give you the references to articles about
Plasticville and kitbashing in particular. I suspect that CTT has it's
own index but who knows. Let me know if you want me to search for
Plasticville articles, particularly something about the produce stand if
it was ever addressed specifically.

Tom Detmer

roy inman wrote:
>
> I seem to recall more than one article about kitbashing Plasticville that
> appeared in CTT.
>
> I too am wondering if anyone has reference those articles, including
> the one
> Gene mentions.
>
> Roy Inman
>
> .
>
>






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45475 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Are graphics compatible, AF Northern Pacific cars vs. AM FP7s ?
Can anyone tell me how well the colors and graphics of the American Models
Northern Pacific FP7s compare with the colors and graphics of the Flyonel
Northern Pacific passenger cars?

Tempation got the best of me and I won some of the passenger cars for good
prices on eBay. I should not have done it because these cars do not fit in with
my overall train theme. But I have always thought the Northern Pacific set
was beautiful. A conflict is that I know I do not want the PAs made for these
cars, both because PAs are not correct for Northern Pacific and because of the
O gauge trucks that make the PAs too high for the passenger cars. So I am
wondering how an A-B-B-A set of American Models Fs would look with these cars.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45476 From: Rick Evans Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Plasticville Produce Stand converted to passenger station
I have a few Plasticville articles that I have cut out of
CTT, but I don't recall a produce stand conversion,
but I will check.

Rick.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45477 From: clayton deich Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Larry I like ACG in OEM shape, but I also like what
you have done here in the photo. Is not restoration
part of what we should all do in keeping ACG going
long passed it's time. Lets look at art work that was
made hundreds of years back. Is that art work more or
less in valued after restoration? With out restoration
what would be there for us to see of the great
masters? I will let you think on that.

Nice work!

Clayton S. D.



--- Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote:

> To the group, Please check out my restoration of a
> Branford Diner at our s-trains photo site. Thanks go
> to Doug Peck for the lettering and new window
> inserts. I hate to see any Flyer piece trashed so I
> feel compelled to restore them when I can. I know it
> doesn't set well with some ACG purists, but I can
> afford to have them when I can buy them in the shape
> this one was. I welcome all comments both good and
> bad . Thanks, Larry Moore
>http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45478 From: Phil K Date: 10/24/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Clayton --

I agree 100 percent.

This biggest proponents vehemently against restorations seem (to me)
to be the people who run the TCA, who desire to protect "the
integrity" of the collectors' hobby -- and, of course, keep up the
high value of their original minty-rare pieces of O gauge.

I do have a problem with frauds who try to pass off (sell) restorations as originals, however.

Phil K

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote:
>
> Larry I like ACG in OEM shape, but I also like what
> you have done here in the photo. Is not restoration
> part of what we should all do in keeping ACG going
> long passed it's time. Lets look at art work that was
> made hundreds of years back. Is that art work more or
> less in valued after restoration? With out restoration
> what would be there for us to see of the great
> masters? I will let you think on that.
>
> Nice work!
>
> Clayton S. D.
>
>
>
> --- Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote:
>
> > To the group, Please check out my restoration of a
> > Branford Diner at our s-trains photo site. Thanks go
> > to Doug Peck for the lettering and new window
> > inserts. I hate to see any Flyer piece trashed so I
> > feel compelled to restore them when I can. I know it
> > doesn't set well with some ACG purists, but I can
> > afford to have them when I can buy them in the shape
> > this one was. I welcome all comments both good and
> > bad . Thanks, Larry Moore
> >http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?
ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> >
> >
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45479 From: Tom Hawley Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: {S-Scale List} ONLY 8 DAYS LEFT TIL THE FALL S FEST IN ST LOUIS
----- Original Message -----
From: jnr59@...
Just a reminder about the upcoming [Fall] S Fest here in St. Louis . . . .
(plenty to do for all) . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > > >
St Louis is one of my favourite cities, and I'm looking forward to it.

The museum - http://www.museumoftransport.org/ - ,

Union Station - http://www.stlouisunionstation.com/ -

and the rapid transit system -
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:St_Louis_Metrolink_train.jpg -

And lots more

are all worth seeing.
Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan
Group: S-Trains Message: 45480 From: don@showcaseline.com Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: NJ International at S Fest
Dear Earl,
We will have the semaphores for sale at the show, if our order is shipped in time, we will have the servos kits too.
Best regards,
Don

>
>I wonder if there will be any dealers or layouts displaying these products
>(NJ International, Z Stuff, or Tomar) at the S Fest in St. Louis - Earl
>Henry
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45481 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Trip to Minneapolis
My friends,

I will be in Minneapolis for a math conference next week, arriving Wednesday afternoon, Oct 31st and leaving Sunday afternoon.

I will be staying at the Hampton Inn on the South end of the Hiawatha Line, near the Mall of America, and will be purchasing day passes on the train. As I'm sponsor for our local First LEGO League team, I've already planned a vist to LEGO-World at the Mall. Is there any other railroading, real or modelling, going on during my trip? Contact me off-list please.

THNX,

Keep in touch!

Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@...
Sn42 and Hn42 Radio Controlled operator
River Logging fan
Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan
Virginian Rwy fan
Bonsai grasshopper
Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45482 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Please vote!
I am hoping I could get some feed back from you all as I am getting a mix bag of feedback from some friends on the tops of the telegraph poles.

Most of my seeing of these things in real life or in the hobby world have the tops cut straight across.

On your layouts or even if you do not have a layout, do you like the tapered or straight tops for the poles.

I appreciate the votes!

Maybe do this to me in private and I will tell all the voting, as I don't want to over load the moderators with the votes.

Off to Gettysburg to ride the train and then to Lancaster for the weekend.

Thanks and have a great weekend.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45483 From: clayton deich Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Phil there is talk of what percent of the piece has
restoration done to it, and will it take away some of
the value. So where is the line when it comes to
restoration. I had almost all the paint come off my
Dinner too. Do I just let it sit there chips of paint
falling off with out my help? I think not. My Dinner
has been in my family sets for years. The dinner was
made by AC, and is about 90% OEM, and no lead paint
was used. I had to put the lead back up for the group
to talk about it, and so we can go over it one more
time too. Hee Hee Hee
If the restoration is needed for the item to work or
look right. Then I say do it! What we need to do is
come up with a fast way to let people know that the
item has restoration done to it. Like an R with the
percent by it. In side under the cab roof, and or
under the item. Like the repairs from the shops, and
date them. What do you think?



Clayton S. D.
--- Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote:

> Clayton --
>
> I agree 100 percent.
>
> This biggest proponents vehemently against
> restorations seem (to me)
> to be the people who run the TCA, who desire to
> protect "the
> integrity" of the collectors' hobby -- and, of
> course, keep up the
> high value of their original minty-rare pieces of O
> gauge.
>
> I do have a problem with frauds who try to pass off
> (sell) restorations as originals, however.
>
> Phil K
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich
> <uvl97222@...> wrote:
> >
> > Larry I like ACG in OEM shape, but I also like
> what
> > you have done here in the photo. Is not
> restoration
> > part of what we should all do in keeping ACG going
> > long passed it's time. Lets look at art work that
> was
> > made hundreds of years back. Is that art work
> more or
> > less in valued after restoration? With out
> restoration
> > what would be there for us to see of the great
> > masters? I will let you think on that.
> >
> > Nice work!
> >
> > Clayton S. D.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote:
> >
> > > To the group, Please check out my restoration of
> a
> > > Branford Diner at our s-trains photo site.
> Thanks go
> > > to Doug Peck for the lettering and new window
> > > inserts. I hate to see any Flyer piece trashed
> so I
> > > feel compelled to restore them when I can. I
> know it
> > > doesn't set well with some ACG purists, but I
> can
> > > afford to have them when I can buy them in the
> shape
> > > this one was. I welcome all comments both good
> and
> > > bad . Thanks, Larry Moore
Group: S-Trains Message: 45484 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: NJ International at S Fest
In a message dated 10/25/2007 8:11:30 AM Central Daylight Time,
don@... writes:

Dear Earl,
We will have the semaphores for sale at the show, if our order is shipped in
time, we will have the servos kits too.
Best regards,
Don
Great ! Of course the best part about going to the S Fest is seeing the
brains and the inspiration of SHS! Robin is going to be there isn't she!

Hope to see you both! - Earl Henry

ps: Is there any possibility that your next run of F7s will include Northern
Pacific passenger units?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45485 From: G C Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: Plasticville Produce Stand converted to passenger station
Rick and Roy,

Vic did a somewhat minor modification (minor for Vic that is) of the P'ville hospital to make it look like a Sealtest Dairy building. This structure is somewhat art deco in style, so Vic added some simulated stainless trim around the structure and added an N scale water tank on top. The pic was in Rail Modeler (I think that's the name of the mag) a few years ago. Also, Art Curren (I miss him a great deal) did a conversion using two hospital kits to make a factory building. If you find the article beware of the fact that they printed the assembly of the wall sections with the wrong part labels. CTT had to add a comment in the next issue correcting the error.Sorry, I don't have the references for either of these items.

Gene

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45486 From: Ingram-Jim-sListservers Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: NJ International vs. Z Stuff crossing gates
FYI:
Re the Z Stuff Crossing Gates . . . & YouTube:

A member of the Susquehanna S Gaugers, Dave VanGilder,
did a "quick and dirty" demonstration of the Z Stuff gates.

You can view it at the end of the
Susquehanna S Gaugers "Meet The Members" video,
which (assuming you have access to a broadband connection),
you can view on YouTube at this URL:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HQmZ11KcQP4 .


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45487 From: G C Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: Plasticville Produce Stand converted to passenger station
Thanks Tom,

It would be great to know just which kits have been "structified" over those 16 years.

Gene

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45488 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Link coupler lock
I run several link coupler trains, they have a habit of coming un
coupled, I have tried several methods of hooking them together, paper
clips, that short between powered trucks, commercial locks, etc. At
present I am using a #8 rubber band ( 7/8" ) the distance between the
coupler pins, it is easy to install, just snap it to the coupler pins, it
rides between the apposing coupler links, if the train separates, it
snaps right pack in place. This has given the best results. Anyone
wishing to try this method, and can't find #8 rubber bands, just send me
a stamped self address envelope, & I will send you a few to try, this
offer is limited to the extra supply that I have.
Thanks
Jerry HR77-11644


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12286 West Kentucky Dr.
Lakewood, Colorado
80228-3314
Group: S-Trains Message: 45489 From: Phil K Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: ANormal1's modified Franklin 88 (photos)
From Mike Strickland:

Hi guys, Just would like some to see my try at converting a wrecked
Franklin 88 Take a look at the Franklin 88 that I was converting. But
now am going to sell and it is on Ebay. I put white walls on it,
painted it oily black & put a Frisco decal on it. It has an SnS can
motor & runs on DC. I also made a custom Smoke Stack. It needs a
front end, wheels & cow catcher. It has a Marx tender shell.

This was my first try, Mike

VIEW PHOTOS AT:

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/50cb
Group: S-Trains Message: 45490 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: L-AF heavyweight on/off switch?
Although stated to have them in the catalog, the final production heavyweights were not fitted with on/off switches and there is no mention of?them in the instructions. The new Lionel-AF heavyweights look and run very nice at very?favorable pricing (~$50 apiece), so it is an oversight many of us can readily accept.

Bob Bubeck





Posted by: "paflyrman" hblanier@... ? paflyrman

Wed Oct?24,?2007 12:14?pm (PST)

These cars were advertised as having an on/off switch for the
lighting. Am I going blind, or did they not make it into the production items?








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Group: S-Trains Message: 45491 From: frank emiro Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: NH Bedford Boomer Show
Just a quick note on a free model train event in New Hampshire. YES S Gauge will be there as well as free handouts and S raffle items.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45492 From: frank emiro Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: L-AF heavyweight on/off switch?
Lets see a photo or two

rbubeck327@... wrote: Although stated to have them in the catalog, the final production heavyweights were not fitted with on/off switches and there is no mention of?them in the instructions. The new Lionel-AF heavyweights look and run very nice at very?favorable pricing (~$50 apiece), so it is an oversight many of us can readily accept.

Bob Bubeck

Posted by: "paflyrman" hblanier@... ? paflyrman

Wed Oct?24,?2007 12:14?pm (PST)

These cars were advertised as having an on/off switch for the
lighting. Am I going blind, or did they not make it into the production items?







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Group: S-Trains Message: 45493 From: frank emiro Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: NH Bedford Boomer Show
The date is Nov 4,07 Bedford, NH at McKelie School from 8:30 am til 4 pm. Sorry the flier did not appear on the site.

frank emiro <femiro2002@...> wrote: Just a quick note on a free model train event in New Hampshire. YES S Gauge will be there as well as free handouts and S raffle items.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45495 From: Phil K Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: ALERT: Beaver's American Flyer episode, "My Brother's Girl"
TV Land is running the "Leave It To Beaver" episode ("My Brother's
Girl") early tomorrow morning that features American Flyer trains. 5 AM
Eastern, set your VCR or Tivo or stay up all night until it comes on.

"Do you really like me, Wally?"
"Yeah, Beav, I guess so."
"Do you like me a whole lot?"
"Look, don't get sloppy on me. I might just slug you one."

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 45497 From: don@showcaseline.com Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: S Fest report
Dear Earl,
I think that Robin is "showed" out at the moment with York just last week. It will be Jeff Wilson and I taking thw SHS lorrie on the road to St. Louis.
Looking forward to seeing you there,
Don

Earl,
....Of course the best part about going to the S Fest is seeing the
brains and the inspiration of SHS! Robin
Group: S-Trains Message: 45498 From: Rick Evans Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: ALERT: Beaver's American Flyer episode, "My Brother's Girl"
Neat! I hope to catch it, I've been wanting to see this episode!!
Thanks!

Rick.



Will run at 5 AM Eastern Time on the TVLAND network. Set up your VCR or
TIVO or just stay up all night and watch it live.

"Do you really like me, Wally?"
"Yeah, Beav... I guess so."
"Do you like me a whole lot?"
"Look, don't get sloppy on me. I might just slug you one."

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45499 From: Larry Moore Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Phil & Clayton, I am interested, as you can tell, in restoring ACG, both rolling stock and accessories. Your percentage of restoration is an interesting approach. In reference to the Branford, I just posted pictures of, all is original with the exception of the window inserts and graphics. The antenna was original, but needed straightened and 1 of the x pieces was missing and I fabricated a replacement. Just for sake of starting a process, what percent of original would this unit be classified? I did have one request to post more pictures of my work, and I will be doing that over the week or so. I will post on the chat side what I replaced with repro parts on each piece. Let's then kick around the percentage rating on each item. What are your thoughts in regard to this? Thanks, Larry Moore



To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: uvl97222@...: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:40:07 -0700Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Before and After Branford Diner




Phil there is talk of what percent of the piece hasrestoration done to it, and will it take away some ofthe value. So where is the line when it comes torestoration. I had almost all the paint come off myDinner too. Do I just let it sit there chips of paintfalling off with out my help? I think not. My Dinnerhas been in my family sets for years. The dinner wasmade by AC, and is about 90% OEM, and no lead paintwas used. I had to put the lead back up for the groupto talk about it, and so we can go over it one moretime too. Hee Hee HeeIf the restoration is needed for the item to work orlook right. Then I say do it! What we need to do iscome up with a fast way to let people know that theitem has restoration done to it. Like an R with thepercent by it. In side under the cab roof, and orunder the item. Like the repairs from the shops, anddate them. What do you think?Clayton S. D.--- Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote:> Clayton --> > I agree 100 percent.> > This biggest proponents vehemently against> restorations seem (to me)> to be the people who run the TCA, who desire to> protect "the> integrity" of the collectors' hobby -- and, of> course, keep up the> high value of their original minty-rare pieces of O> gauge.> > I do have a problem with frauds who try to pass off> (sell) restorations as originals, however.> > Phil K> > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich> <uvl97222@...> wrote:> >> > Larry I like ACG in OEM shape, but I also like> what> > you have done here in the photo. Is not> restoration> > part of what we should all do in keeping ACG going> > long passed it's time. Lets look at art work that> was> > made hundreds of years back. Is that art work> more or> > less in valued after restoration? With out> restoration> > what would be there for us to see of the great> > masters? I will let you think on that.> >> > Nice work!> >> > Clayton S. D.> >> >> >> > --- Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote:> >> > > To the group, Please check out my restoration of> a> > > Branford Diner at our s-trains photo site.> Thanks go> > > to Doug Peck for the lettering and new window> > > inserts. I hate to see any Flyer piece trashed> so I> > > feel compelled to restore them when I can. I> know it> > > doesn't set well with some ACG purists, but I> can> > > afford to have them when I can buy them in the> shape> > > this one was. I welcome all comments both good> and> > > bad . Thanks, Larry Moore






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45500 From: Ed Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: Please vote!
Hi Mike:
We are now setup for non private messages per Phil so all replies go to the
group. I am not one who will type in an email address to answer privately.
My telephone poles are flat across the top and stained.
Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:17 AM
To: Toy Trains; s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Please vote!



I am hoping I could get some feed back from you all as I am getting a mix
bag of feedback from some friends on the tops of the telegraph poles.

Most of my seeing of these things in real life or in the hobby world have
the tops cut straight across.

On your layouts or even if you do not have a layout, do you like the tapered
or straight tops for the poles.

I appreciate the votes!

Maybe do this to me in private and I will tell all the voting, as I don't
want to over load the moderators with the votes.

Off to Gettysburg to ride the train and then to Lancaster for the weekend.

Thanks and have a great weekend.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45501 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: NJI vs. Z Stuff crossing gates - What track system is this ?
Thanks for bringing this to the list's attention. I liked what I saw about
the Z Stuff crossing gates. I thought the size was close enough to S to please
most folks. I hope others will share their opinion on the list.

I did not recognize the turnouts and trackwork that Dave VanGilder was using
for his demonstration. Can you tell us what it is?

- Earl Henry, Nashville


In a message dated 10/25/2007 12:30:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
shoot-all-spammers4@... writes:

A member of the Susquehanna S Gaugers, Dave VanGilder,
did a "quick and dirty" demonstration of the Z Stuff gates.

You can view it at the end of the
Susquehanna S Gaugers "Meet The Members" video,
which (assuming you have access to a broadband connection),
you can view on YouTube at this URL:

_http://youtube.http://youhttp://youtub_
(http://youtube.com/watch?v=HQmZ11KcQP4) .

----------------------------------------------------------
Thanks. - Jim Ingram
570-477-2520 Voice Mail, Williamsport PA
<_http://www.track2.htt_ (http://www.track2.com/) > Macintosh G4/OS 10.4
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45502 From: roy inman Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: NJI vs. Z Stuff crossing gates - What track system is this ?
Earl, et al, I think that the Z equipment has some appealing features, like
the built-in sensors, but at a higher cost the the NJI.

So I guess the bottom line is what a modeler wants: A more precisely scale
look, or more RTR and slightly less scale look.

As in most of life, we pays our money and we takes our choices...

Cheers :)

Roy Inman

From: tennsgauge@...
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:33:07 -0400 (EDT)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NJI vs. Z Stuff crossing gates - What track system
is this ?



Thanks for bringing this to the list's attention. I liked what I saw about
the Z Stuff crossing gates. I thought the size was close enough to S to
please
most folks. I hope others will share their opinion on the list.

I did not recognize the turnouts and trackwork that Dave VanGilder was using
for his demonstration. Can you tell us what it is?

- Earl Henry, Nashville


In a message dated 10/25/2007 12:30:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
shoot-all-spammers4@... <mailto:shoot-all-spammers4%40track2.com>
writes:

A member of the Susquehanna S Gaugers, Dave VanGilder,
did a "quick and dirty" demonstration of the Z Stuff gates.

You can view it at the end of the
Susquehanna S Gaugers "Meet The Members" video,
which (assuming you have access to a broadband connection),
you can view on YouTube at this URL:

_http://youtube.http://youhttp://youtub_
(http://youtube.com/watch?v=HQmZ11KcQP4) .

----------------------------------------------------------
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570-477-2520 Voice Mail, Williamsport PA
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45503 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: Please vote!
Flat tops Mike

Steve
Group: S-Trains Message: 45504 From: Phil K Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Polls
Let me remind the group that anyone seeking to take a poll can do so
using the "Polls" link at the left. That will prevent anyone from being
inconvenienced by having to send an individual email to the pollster.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45505 From: clayton deich Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Larry, on your piece I would say 95% OEM 5%
restoration or less.
Lets go back to what we were talking about. I also
would say just what makes the piece the paint -
graphics or the item it's self. The bace of some of
the item could be a flat piece of sheet steel with a
few holes in it, and Flyer green paint. If that's what
it takes to restore a piece then I say 15%
restoration, and that would be 85% OEM 15%
restoration. At least then the OEM Flyer boys can pass
you by for a 100% OEM piece. I would stop, and look
maybe pick up the piece for my layout. How good you do
the restoration would play in to it too.
Why is it no one else is getting in on this? This is
the hot button for some.

Clayton S. D.



--- Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote:

> Phil & Clayton, I am interested, as you can tell, in
> restoring ACG, both rolling stock and accessories.
> Your percentage of restoration is an interesting
> approach. In reference to the Branford, I just
> posted pictures of, all is original with the
> exception of the window inserts and graphics. The
> antenna was original, but needed straightened and 1
> of the x pieces was missing and I fabricated a
> replacement. Just for sake of starting a process,
> what percent of original would this unit be
> classified? I did have one request to post more
> pictures of my work, and I will be doing that over
> the week or so. I will post on the chat side what I
> replaced with repro parts on each piece. Let's then
> kick around the percentage rating on each item. What
> are your thoughts in regard to this? Thanks, Larry
> Moore
>
>
>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom:
> uvl97222@...: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:40:07
> -0700Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Before and After
> Branford Diner
>
>
>
>
> Phil there is talk of what percent of the piece
> hasrestoration done to it, and will it take away
> some ofthe value. So where is the line when it comes
> torestoration. I had almost all the paint come off
> myDinner too. Do I just let it sit there chips of
> paintfalling off with out my help? I think not. My
> Dinnerhas been in my family sets for years. The
> dinner wasmade by AC, and is about 90% OEM, and no
> lead paintwas used. I had to put the lead back up
> for the groupto talk about it, and so we can go over
> it one moretime too. Hee Hee HeeIf the restoration
> is needed for the item to work orlook right. Then I
> say do it! What we need to do iscome up with a fast
> way to let people know that theitem has restoration
> done to it. Like an R with thepercent by it. In side
> under the cab roof, and orunder the item. Like the
> repairs from the shops, anddate them. What do you
> think?Clayton S. D.--- Phil K <waldootten@...>
> wrote:> Clayton --> > I agree 100 percent.> > This
> biggest proponents vehemently against> restorations
> seem (to me)> to be the people who run the TCA, who
> desire to> protect "the> integrity" of the
> collectors' hobby -- and, of> course, keep up the>
> high value of their original minty-rare pieces of O>
> gauge.> > I do have a problem with frauds who try to
> pass off> (sell) restorations as originals,
> however.> > Phil K> > --- In
> S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich>
> <uvl97222@...> wrote:> >> > Larry I like ACG in OEM
> shape, but I also like> what> > you have done here
> in the photo. Is not> restoration> > part of what we
> should all do in keeping ACG going> > long passed
> it's time. Lets look at art work that> was> > made
> hundreds of years back. Is that art work> more or> >
> less in valued after restoration? With out>
> restoration> > what would be there for us to see of
> the great> > masters? I will let you think on that.>
> >> > Nice work!> >> > Clayton S. D.> >> >> >> > ---
> Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote:> >> > > To the
> group, Please check out my restoration of> a> > >
> Branford Diner at our s-trains photo site.> Thanks
> go> > > to Doug Peck for the lettering and new
> window> > > inserts. I hate to see any Flyer piece
> trashed> so I> > > feel compelled to restore them
> when I can. I> know it> > > doesn't set well with
> some ACG purists, but I> can> > > afford to have
> them when I can buy them in the> shape> > > this one
> was. I welcome all comments both good> and> > > bad
> . Thanks, Larry Moore
Group: S-Trains Message: 45506 From: George Cohn Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Re: Polls
Phil K wrote:
>
>
> Let me remind the group that anyone seeking to take a poll can do so
> using the "Polls" link at the left. That will prevent anyone from being
> inconvenienced by having to send an individual email to the pollster.
>

I vote for keeping the list like it is. Much more traffic and
interesting posts.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 45507 From: Ingram-Jim-sListservers Date: 10/25/2007
Subject: Z Stuff Video Used Pikemaster Track
As I recall, Dave VanGilder
used some old Flyer Pikemaster track he had "laying around".

P.S.
As to another email, where someone asked for photos of the new Flyer
heavyweights,
note that you have here a VIDEO of the Chicago & Alton Flyer
heavyweight observation,
being pulled by Dave's "0-5-0" (hand)..


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:

On Oct 25, 2007, at 3:33 PM, tennsgauge@... wrote:

>
> Thanks for bringing this to the list's attention. I liked what I
> saw about
> the Z Stuff crossing gates. I thought the size was close enough to
> S to please
> most folks. I hope others will share their opinion on the list.
>
> I did not recognize the turnouts and trackwork that Dave VanGilder
> was using
> for his demonstration. Can you tell us what it is?
>
> - Earl Henry, Nashville
>
>
> In a message dated 10/25/2007 12:30:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
> shoot-all-spammers4@... writes:
>
> A member of the Susquehanna S Gaugers, Dave VanGilder,
> did a "quick and dirty" demonstration of the Z Stuff gates.
>
> You can view it at the end of the
> Susquehanna S Gaugers "Meet The Members" video,
> which (assuming you have access to a broadband connection),
> you can view on YouTube at this URL:
>
> _http://youtube.http://youhttp://youtub_
> (http://youtube.com/watch?v=HQmZ11KcQP4) .
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45508 From: Tom Detmer Date: 10/26/2007
Subject: Re: Plasticville Produce Stand converted to passenger station
Hi Roy,

My search for articles about converting a Plasticville produce stand
into a station produced only two articles with the words Plasticville in
them. I searched for Plasticville, kitbashing, produce and station.
While there were numerous hits for the latter three words, none of them
related to the question you asked about.

My two results are an article titled "Detailing Plasticville Structures
to meet S Scale Needs" on page 20 of the S Gaugian magazine dated
January-February, 1998. The second article that sounds more promising
(I admit I didn't dig up the back issue) is "A Grander Union Station" on
page 54 of CTT dated May 2004. My note on it says it describes how to
combine Plasticville kits for a more impressive structure.
Unfortunately I didn't start keeping notes on entries until about five
years ago and if an article prior to then did not have Plasticville in
the title I wouldn't have found it (you'll notice that I found the 2004
article by searching the notes and not the title).

I can't promise my results are completely thorough because of the
problem with the lack of notes but they will get you started on a couple
of articles. I think the latter one sounds promising.

Tom Detmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 45509 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 10/26/2007
Subject: Reading Photo Q
A friend showed me a cool OLD photo, about 10x12, of Reading Camelback #560 pulling two wooden heavyweights. No date or other info(unless it's on the back, and it's framed, so fugedabout that), so I was wondering if any of the rail historians have any info on service dates for that loco, and maybe it's last destination? TYIA, John Marganski
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45510 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 10/26/2007
Subject: ALERT: Beaver's American Flyer episode, "My Brother's Girl"
I taped the 5:00am show.
It was worth it to see
black & white TV with
color commercials.
Wally really took Mary Ellen
to the dance but who can
date the trains.

The Sante Fe had 2 vista domes
but no observation. The Atlantic
was pulling a triple dome tanker
which never came as a set that I
could find and all that in
1 miute of a 22 minute show.
Nice track work and switches
but who was blowing the
whistle obviously not
the kids.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Phil K
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 2:41 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] ALERT: Beaver's American Flyer episode, "My Brother's Girl"


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45511 From: g94a95 Date: 10/26/2007
Subject: Gilbert HO
Hi Folks

Im looking for descent Gilbert HO to add to my collection. I have the
following items I would like to trade towards Gilbert HO.

Greenbers Guide to AF trains Volumes 1,2 and 3
AC Gilbert Heritage Book by Heimburger
AF track plans and operating Instructions by Jeff Faust
The almost complete guide to AF sets by Robert Tufts
Service Manual For AF trains by K-line
How to build and operate a model RR by Marshall McClintock
TM Price Guide for S Guage 1946 to 2000
Please email me at SFLYERCRAZY@... if theres any interest..Thanx
in advance..Bill
Group: S-Trains Message: 45512 From: Phil K Date: 10/26/2007
Subject: Beaver's American Flyer episode
The episode "My Brother's Girl" originally ran on April 16, 1958, if
that helps.

Phil K

__________________________________________________________________

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain404@...>
wrote:
>
> I taped the 5:00am show.
> It was worth it to see
> black & white TV with
> color commercials.
> Wally really took Mary Ellen
> to the dance but who can
> date the trains.
>
> The Sante Fe had 2 vista domes
> but no observation. The Atlantic
> was pulling a triple dome tanker
> which never came as a set that I
> could find and all that in
> 1 miute of a 22 minute show.
> Nice track work and switches
> but who was blowing the
> whistle obviously not
> the kids.
>
> Glenn
Group: S-Trains Message: 45513 From: G C Date: 10/26/2007
Subject: Re: Plasticville Produce Stand converted to passenger station
Well, I did find this on Trains.com, but it doesn't refer to whether it is a P'ville bash.

Kitbash Five Freight Stations - Two kits, four scales
Fine Scale Railroader - February / March 1999

Gene

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45514 From: Mike Rosz Date: 10/26/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] Re: Plasticine Produce Stand converted to passenger s
I would like a copy of that also.
thanks

On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:37:50 -0500 Tom Deter <deter@charter. net> writes:
Ropy and Gene,

I have a database for CT that I've created over the years (yes, I know,
it sounds like I have too much time on my hands but it really wasn't
that hard to do in incremental bits i.e. just add a few articles every
issue over all that time). It goes back about sixteen years and I can
search it for Plasticine and give you the references to articles about
Plasticine and kit bashing in particular. I suspect that CT has it's
own index but who knows. Let me know if you want me to search for
Plasticine articles, particularly something about the produce stand if
it was ever addressed specifically.

Tom Deter

ropy in man wrote:
>
> I seem to recall more than one article about kit bashing Plasticine
that
> appeared in CT.
>
> I too am wondering if anyone has reference those articles, including
> the one
> Gene mentions.
>
> Ropy In man
>
> .
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45515 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 10/26/2007
Subject: Re: ALERT: Beaver's American Flyer episode, "My Brother's Girl"
I just wonder who the layout belonged to. For sure it was not built for the one show, so must have been borrowed to make that show. I wonder who would have loned it to them, someone on the staff?
Yes it was fun to watch. I didn't try to tape it, just got up at 5:00 am to watch.

jfred

Glenn Ritter <gartrain404@...> wrote: I taped the 5:00am show.
It was worth it to see
black & white TV with
color commercials.
Wally really took Mary Ellen
to the dance but who can
date the trains.

The Sante Fe had 2 vista domes
but no observation. The Atlantic
was pulling a triple dome tanker
which never came as a set that I
could find and all that in
1 miute of a 22 minute show.
Nice track work and switches
but who was blowing the
whistle obviously not
the kids.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Phil K
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 2:41 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] ALERT: Beaver's American Flyer episode, "My Brother's Girl"

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45516 From: detmer@charter.net Date: 10/27/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] Re: Plasticine Produce Stand converted to passenger s
Hi Mike,

I sent a response to Roy that has been posted on this website so you should have received it by now. If not, let me know and I'll send it to you off line. Also, I should have mentioned that there were some other Plasticville articles but they were about layouts generally and so forth and did not address Roy's question about making the passenger station.

Tom Detmer


---- Mike Rosz <n9guy@...> wrote:
> I would like a copy of that also.
> thanks
>
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:37:50 -0500 Tom Deter <deter@charter. net> writes:
> Ropy and Gene,
>
> I have a database for CT that I've created over the years (yes, I know,
> it sounds like I have too much time on my hands but it really wasn't
> that hard to do in incremental bits i.e. just add a few articles every
> issue over all that time). It goes back about sixteen years and I can
> search it for Plasticine and give you the references to articles about
> Plasticine and kit bashing in particular. I suspect that CT has it's
> own index but who knows. Let me know if you want me to search for
> Plasticine articles, particularly something about the produce stand if
> it was ever addressed specifically.
>
> Tom Deter
>
> ropy in man wrote:
> >
> > I seem to recall more than one article about kit bashing Plasticine
> that
> > appeared in CT.
> >
> > I too am wondering if anyone has reference those articles, including
> > the one
> > Gene mentions.
> >
> > Ropy In man
> >
> > .
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45517 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/27/2007
Subject: Modernized String of #66X Aluminum Pax Cars
Hi all,

I finally found a pattern for successfully modernizing my old set of
66X aluminum pax cars. Here is how I did it. I cut off the linker
arms, then I re-anchored the pax car ends to the chassis with screws
on either side of where the original was. I cut a bolster out of
masonite to fit in the middle and anchored that & the Kadee #2 with
the self-tapping screws that come with the Kadee #2 couplers. The
trucks required drilling out the holes a little larger to accommodate
some brass wheel axel bushings. The bushings must fit in just right -
not too tightly or they will deform and defeat the purpose. They
should be lightly cemented in; I used super glue after I degreased
the holes with lighter fluid & a pipe cleaner. The pickup wheelsets
were replaced with S-Helper pickup wheelsets. It was necessary to
use #2 nylon washers (shown in the second detail pic) slipped over
the axels on the insulated side to prevent the wheels from shorting
out against the metal sideframe & brass bushings. I used #3 brass
washers on the pickup side to promote electrical contact a wee bit
more.

These cars now tow very easily. Their "rollability" is much
improved. Since the link arms were cut off, they also track nicely
because there is no lateral stress applied to the trucks from the
body-mounted Kadees. They also back up about as well as any car
anywhere.

Now my 332 Northern, without Pulmor drive wheels, can tow a string of
four of these cars easily up my steepest grade. I have modernized
and upgraded my 66X pax cars. Mission accomplished.

I posted a couple pics in the photo album. Here is a link:

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/bc2b

Otherwise, just go all the way to the end of the photo section
to "Tim Brown's Work In Progress".

I hope this might inspire others to modernize their aging Flyer fleet.

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45518 From: Phil K Date: 10/27/2007
Subject: Re: Modernized String of #66X Aluminum Pax Cars
Nice photos, Tim. Thanks for posting them.

Actually, double thanks. My wife was sneaking a look over my shoulder
when I was viewing your pics and when I enlarged the photo of the
entire passenger train on your layout, she brightened up and
said: "Oh, so you're not the only guy who has plenty of time to work
on his train layout, but not enough time to finish the drywall
after it's been taped. Maybe it's a guy thing after all."

Phil K



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I finally found a pattern for successfully modernizing my old set
of
> 66X aluminum pax cars. Here is how I did it. I cut off the linker
> arms, then I re-anchored the pax car ends to the chassis with
screws
> on either side of where the original was. I cut a bolster out of
> masonite to fit in the middle and anchored that & the Kadee #2 with
> the self-tapping screws that come with the Kadee #2 couplers. The
> trucks required drilling out the holes a little larger to
accommodate
> some brass wheel axel bushings. The bushings must fit in just
right -
> not too tightly or they will deform and defeat the purpose. They
> should be lightly cemented in; I used super glue after I degreased
> the holes with lighter fluid & a pipe cleaner. The pickup
wheelsets
> were replaced with S-Helper pickup wheelsets. It was necessary to
> use #2 nylon washers (shown in the second detail pic) slipped over
> the axels on the insulated side to prevent the wheels from shorting
> out against the metal sideframe & brass bushings. I used #3 brass
> washers on the pickup side to promote electrical contact a wee bit
> more.
>
> These cars now tow very easily. Their "rollability" is much
> improved. Since the link arms were cut off, they also track nicely
> because there is no lateral stress applied to the trucks from the
> body-mounted Kadees. They also back up about as well as any car
> anywhere.
>
> Now my 332 Northern, without Pulmor drive wheels, can tow a string
of
> four of these cars easily up my steepest grade. I have modernized
> and upgraded my 66X pax cars. Mission accomplished.
>
> I posted a couple pics in the photo album. Here is a link:
>
> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/bc2b
>
> Otherwise, just go all the way to the end of the photo section
> to "Tim Brown's Work In Progress".
>
> I hope this might inspire others to modernize their aging Flyer
fleet.
>
> S-Happens,
> Tim Brown
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45519 From: don@showcaseline.com Date: 10/27/2007
Subject: Re: Modernized String of #66X Aluminum Pax Cars
Dear Tim,
Did you use our 00979 wheelsets for pickup wheels?
Best,
Don

>Hi all,
>
>I finally found a pattern for successfully modernizing my old set of
>66X aluminum pax cars. Here is how I did it. I cut off the linker
>arms, then I re-anchored the pax car ends to the chassis with screws
>on either side of where the original was. I cut a bolster out of
>masonite to fit in the middle and anchored that & the Kadee #2 with
>the self-tapping screws that come with the Kadee #2 couplers. The
>trucks required drilling out the holes a little larger to accommodate
>some brass wheel axel bushings. The bushings must fit in just right -
> not too tightly or they will deform and defeat the purpose. They
>should be lightly cemented in; I used super glue after I degreased
>the holes with lighter fluid & a pipe cleaner. The pickup wheelsets
>were replaced with S-Helper pickup wheelsets. It was necessary to
>use #2 nylon washers (shown in the second detail pic) slipped over
>the axels on the insulated side to prevent the wheels from shorting
>out against the metal sideframe & brass bushings. I used #3 brass
>washers on the pickup side to promote electrical contact a wee bit
>more.
>
>These cars now tow very easily. Their "rollability" is much
>improved. Since the link arms were cut off, they also track nicely
>because there is no lateral stress applied to the trucks from the
>body-mounted Kadees. They also back up about as well as any car
>anywhere.
>
>Now my 332 Northern, without Pulmor drive wheels, can tow a string of
>four of these cars easily up my steepest grade. I have modernized
>and upgraded my 66X pax cars. Mission accomplished.
>
>I posted a couple pics in the photo album. Here is a link:
>
>http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/bc2b
>
>Otherwise, just go all the way to the end of the photo section
>to "Tim Brown's Work In Progress".
>
>I hope this might inspire others to modernize their aging Flyer fleet.
>
>S-Happens,
>Tim Brown
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45520 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/27/2007
Subject: Re: L-AF heavyweight on/off switch?
The DISPLAY Heavyweights at York TCA meet HAD the switches, I noticed because
I looked to see IF the cars had the AMERICAN FLYER name on them. They DO
NOT. It has been added to the 1948 FLAT METAL floors under the boxcars.
Progress is being made by the seemingly clueless. One of the LIONEL Reps sent me to
SHS to see "S" guage trains running. Clueless, but, loveable.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45521 From: Tom Kaufman Date: 10/27/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3831
I know this isn't American Flyer, but there was another show on Leave it t Beaver, that had Beaver having to decide whether to give his old Lionel train away, and it showed Him and Larry playing with it in Beavers bedroom. There was also another 50's sitcom, Dennis the Menace, that had Dennis competing in a contest for a Revell HO train set. He didn't win, but there was some neat footage of 1940's Lionel, I think it was the Zephyr or some close articulated train that Dennis had. Probably O guage or Standard guage if I was to guess.

Got a question to throw out to you all. I got a American Flyer 355, CNW Baldwin switcher locomotive from 1955 or 1956. I have been trying to look for traction tires or replacement Pull-Mor wheels to bring this locomotive up to standards. I searched the Lionel website, as I have seen the catalog shots of the reissue of the switcher, but I never closely examined it. On the Lionel website, they list a parts list for the new reissue, and I see the wheels and tractions tires offered only in a assembled truck for $25. Not a big deal, but I am wondering if the drive train is essentially the same, or ws the design revamped and modernized. Also, a weight is offered for about $8-$9.00. My question is was the weight needed on the original as no parts list I see has listed a weight. I am assuming this is because the original was molded in Bakelite plastic and the reissue is injected molded plastic. Any help would be appreciated. I have searched my local train shows
here in Florida but I have not seen what I ma looking for. The internet sites list the tires but there are never any in stock and I wouldn't know how to change them anyway.
Thomas Kaufman

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45522 From: Mike Rosz Date: 10/27/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] ALERT: Beaver's American Flyer episode, "My Brother's
I would like to see the program. Is it possible to put the program on
s-trains ?


On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:53:52 -0400 "Glenn Ritter"
<gartrain404@...> writes:
I taped the 5:00am show.
It was worth it to see
black & white TV with
color commercials.
Wally really took Mary Ellen
to the dance but who can
date the trains.

The Sante Fe had 2 vista domes
but no observation. The Atlantic
was pulling a triple dome tanker
which never came as a set that I
could find and all that in
1 miute of a 22 minute show.
Nice track work and switches
but who was blowing the
whistle obviously not
the kids.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Phil K
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 2:41 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] ALERT: Beaver's American Flyer episode, "My Brother's
Girl"

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45523 From: G C Date: 10/27/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] Re: Plasticine Produce Stand converted to passenger s
Tom, Sorry,but I should have asked sooner myself. If you can manage it please send me a copy of what you sent Roy. I will send you anything I come across of as well.

Gene


----- Original Message ----
From: "detmer@..." <detmer@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Mike Rosz <n9guy@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:54:03 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [Strains] Re: Plasticine Produce Stand converted to passenger station

Hi Mike,

I sent a response to Roy that has been posted on this website so you should have received it by now. If not, let me know and I'll send it to you off line. Also, I should have mentioned that there were some other Plasticville articles but they were about layouts generally and so forth and did not address Roy's question about making the passenger station.

Tom Detmer

---- Mike Rosz <n9guy@...> wrote:
> I would like a copy of that also.
> thanks
>
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:37:50 -0500 Tom Deter <deter@charter. net> writes:
> Ropy and Gene,
>
> I have a database for CT that I've created over the years (yes, I know,
> it sounds like I have too much time on my hands but it really wasn't
> that hard to do in incremental bits i.e. just add a few articles every
> issue over all that time). It goes back about sixteen years and I can
> search it for Plasticine and give you the references to articles about
> Plasticine and kit bashing in particular. I suspect that CT has it's
> own index but who knows. Let me know if you want me to search for
> Plasticine articles, particularly something about the produce stand if
> it was ever addressed specifically.
>
> Tom Deter
>
> ropy in man wrote:
> >
> > I seem to recall more than one article about kit bashing Plasticine
> that
> > appeared in CT.
> >
> > I too am wondering if anyone has reference those articles, including
> > the one
> > Gene mentions.
> >
> > Ropy In man
> >
> > .
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45524 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/27/2007
Subject: Re: Modernized String of #66X Aluminum Pax Cars
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, don@... wrote:
>
> Dear Tim,
> Did you use our 00979 wheelsets for pickup wheels?
> Best,
> Don


Hello Don,

You bet I did and do they ever work superbly. I probably did a no-no
though and whisked the coating off the insulated wheel and axel end.
I didn't want anything at all to stand between the track and metal
wheel. I also was very careful to set the Kadee coupler height to
NMRA spec. As I do that with all my old Flyer rolling stock, I'll
know that they will couple up to your line of excellent rolling stock
flawlessly. I also plan on replacing all my tender wheels about the
same way. I want all the plastic wheels off my track.

Great seeing you & your crew at York, Don.

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45525 From: clayton deich Date: 10/27/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] ALERT: Beaver's American Flyer episode, "My Brother's
I would like to see it too Mike! That's a good idea if
it can be done.

Clayton
--- Mike Rosz <n9guy@...> wrote:

> I would like to see the program. Is it possible to
> put the program on
> s-trains ?
>
>
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:53:52 -0400 "Glenn Ritter"
> <gartrain404@...> writes:
> I taped the 5:00am show.
> It was worth it to see
> black & white TV with
> color commercials.
> Wally really took Mary Ellen
> to the dance but who can
> date the trains.
>
> The Sante Fe had 2 vista domes
> but no observation. The Atlantic
> was pulling a triple dome tanker
> which never came as a set that I
> could find and all that in
> 1 miute of a 22 minute show.
> Nice track work and switches
> but who was blowing the
> whistle obviously not
> the kids.
>
> Glenn
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Phil K
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 2:41 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] ALERT: Beaver's American Flyer
> episode, "My Brother's
> Girl"
>
> .
>
>
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> removed]
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45526 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/27/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/28/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45527 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 10/28/2007
Subject: Re: ALERT: Beaver's American Flyer episode, "My Brother's Girl"
There may be copywrite
problems. Anyone
that wants to make DVDs
from my VHS is welcome.
Contact me off list:
gartrain404@...

Glenn

Re: [Strains] ALERT: Beaver's American Flyer episode, "My Brother's
Posted by: "Mike Rosz" n9guy@... miken9guy
Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:32 pm (PST)
I would like to see the program. Is it possible to put the program on
s-trains ?

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:53:52 -0400 "Glenn Ritter"
<gartrain404@...> writes:
I taped the 5:00am show.
It was worth it to see
black & white TV with
color commercials.
Wally really took Mary Ellen
to the dance but who can
date the trains.

The Sante Fe had 2 vista domes
but no observation. The Atlantic
was pulling a triple dome tanker
which never came as a set that I
could find and all that in
1 miute of a 22 minute show.
Nice track work and switches
but who was blowing the
whistle obviously not
the kids.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Phil K
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 2:41 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] ALERT: Beaver's American Flyer episode, "My Brother's
Girl"

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Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/28/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45529 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 10/28/2007
Subject: Re: Please vote!
Thanks Steve.

Phil: Sorry about this, as I was just looking for some advice for the upcoming layout, as I did not mean it to be a poll, but I guess it was.

I will do something next time like this as a poll.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: boss31@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Please vote!


Flat tops Mike

Steve





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45530 From: smuel10363@aol.com Date: 10/28/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3832
fop sale pbl operating coal tower
Group: S-Trains Message: 45531 From: James Hannawald Date: 10/29/2007
Subject: SHS track and accessories
Has any one tried to adapt the SHS track to accommodate some of the American Flyer accessories? Particularly the baggage loader and stock yard. And, how successful were you. In the past I have used AF track and the SHS adapters, but like to have all SHS track on the layout.


Jim

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45532 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/29/2007
Subject: Re: SHS track and accessories
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "James Hannawald" <jhannawald@...>
wrote:
>
> Has any one tried to adapt the SHS track to accommodate some of the
American Flyer accessories? Particularly the baggage loader and
stock yard. And, how successful were you. In the past I have used AF
track and the SHS adapters, but like to have all SHS track on the
layout.
>

Hi,

I haven't but I don't see why it couldn't be done. I suspect you
might have to mark the molded roadbed in areas, then use a Dremel,
band saw, jig saw or coping saw to carefully trim away the parts that
might not fit into the accessory track space well. That is certainly
easily doable. The height ought to be okay, since it mates up with
vintage tack on rubber roadbed, does it not.

Devising trips for action cars shouldn't be difficult either. I
would take the rails off one section of SHS sectional track and use
them to make up third rails mounted off to the side where the car's
action lever would come into contact. Again, very easy to do.

Please let the List know how you make out. Pics are always welcome
as well. Good luck!

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45533 From: Gill W. Lott Date: 10/29/2007
Subject: Re: Plasticville converted to passenger station
Well it's not a produce stand but it's Plasticville, a passenger station & my first kit bashing attempt.

I've uploaded the pictures to the group's photo section, under 'Plasticville Kitbashing.' The album is open for anyone to add their 'bashed Plasticville.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45534 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 10/29/2007
Subject: Re: SHS track and accessories-Third Rail Accessory Track w/Button
Be aware that SHS has a half track section with the third rail for American
Flyer action cars. It is #671 5" Third Rail Accessory Track with Button. It
could easily be missed on the website because it is listed under Track
Accessories, not under Track. I would expect this to be handy for every action car
except the mail pickup car which of course requires a stand for the mailbags.
- Earl Henry, Nashville






--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "James
Hannawald" <jhannawald@jha>
wrote:
>
> Has any one tried to adapt the SHS track to accommodate some of the
American Flyer accessories? Particularly the baggage loader and
stock yard. And, how successful were you. In the past I have used AF
track and the SHS adapters, but like to have all SHS track on the
layout.
>

Hi,

I haven't but I don't see why it couldn't be done. I suspect you
might have to mark the molded roadbed in areas, then use a Dremel,
band saw, jig saw or coping saw to carefully trim away the parts that
might not fit into the accessory track space well. That is certainly
easily doable. The height ought to be okay, since it mates up with
vintage tack on rubber roadbed, does it not.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45535 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 10/29/2007
Subject: Re: Please vote!
Mike, check out the telephone poles on our web site. (under products album)

_www.sns-trains.com_ (http://www.sns-trains.com)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45536 From: Tom Hawley Date: 10/29/2007
Subject: Re: Please vote!
----- Original Message -----
From: boss31@...
Subject: [S-Trains] Please vote!
Mike, check out the telephone poles on our web site. (under products album)
> > > > > > > >
OK, I vote for your poles.
Tom Hawley
Group: S-Trains Message: 45537 From: Russ Dondero Date: 10/29/2007
Subject: Snow shed for Layout 0709.JPG copy
A friend of mine who is a professional metals sculptor
built this snow shed for my layout, it's 30" in length
and 5" in height and 3" in width. It looks like wood,
but it is really stainless steel which he made to look
like corrugated steel/wood... If any of you are
interested in something like this for you layout -
just e-mail me and I'll pass your inquiry along to
him. He's very busy so there's a waiting list for
jobs to be done. It wasn't cheap either. But I'm
very pleased with the results! Obviously this is the
yard area of my layout and part of the mainline...

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45538 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/29/2007
Subject: Re: SHS track and accessories on PVMR Layout
We have the cattle yard served by SHS track, track fits over the "appropriate
obstacles" nicely. We do NOT operate the car, however. Can let you know
shortly how that might work.

Jim Lyle

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45539 From: Alan D. Lambert Date: 10/29/2007
Subject: Re: SHS track and accessories-Third Rail Accessory Track w/Button
I have one of the track sections and it works great. I have the
Flyonel(oops) mo and joe lumber car and it works every time I use it.
thanks,
Alan Lambert
Group: S-Trains Message: 45540 From: afironhorse Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: Snow shed for Layout 0709.JPG copy
Russ,
Is there anyway you can put a picture of the snow shed on the web for
us to see?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Russ Dondero <russtrainmax@...>
wrote:
>
>
> A friend of mine who is a professional metals sculptor
> built this snow shed for my layout, it's 30" in length
> and 5" in height and 3" in width. It looks like wood,
> but it is really stainless steel which he made to look
> like corrugated steel/wood... If any of you are
> interested in something like this for you layout -
> just e-mail me and I'll pass your inquiry along to
> him. He's very busy so there's a waiting list for
> jobs to be done. It wasn't cheap either. But I'm
> very pleased with the results! Obviously this is the
> yard area of my layout and part of the mainline...
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45541 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Union Station Sign
Has anyone in this group converted the battery operated "Union Station" sign, that was sold as part of the National Denver TCA Meet this past summer, to run off a transformer? I would like to mount it on top of the A.F. 793 Union Station. That also creates another problem, how to hide the wiring? Would like to hear if someone else has encountered this task?

Mike Leahy
Boulder, CO.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45542 From: gflyerfan Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Wanted, Road Bed.
Hello, Im new to the group. I am building a new layout with old
track. I am looking for all the Rubber Road bed I can get. I need it
to finish my track layout. If anyone has any leads, I am quite
interested. Thank You, Aaron.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45543 From: Alan Lambert Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: SHS track and accessories
Hi from Alan Lambert,
I have the accesory track from SHS. Look for it in the track accessory page where you will also find the uncupler track section. These are all 5" track sections. Mine works good with my flyonel(oops) Moe and Joe lumber car.
Thanks,
Alan

Tim Brown <Timboy@...> wrote:
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "James Hannawald" <jhannawald@...>
wrote:
>
> Has any one tried to adapt the SHS track to accommodate some of the
American Flyer accessories? Particularly the baggage loader and
stock yard. And, how successful were you. In the past I have used AF
track and the SHS adapters, but like to have all SHS track on the
layout.
>

Hi,

I haven't but I don't see why it couldn't be done. I suspect you
might have to mark the molded roadbed in areas, then use a Dremel,
band saw, jig saw or coping saw to carefully trim away the parts that
might not fit into the accessory track space well. That is certainly
easily doable. The height ought to be okay, since it mates up with
vintage tack on rubber roadbed, does it not.

Devising trips for action cars shouldn't be difficult either. I
would take the rails off one section of SHS sectional track and use
them to make up third rails mounted off to the side where the car's
action lever would come into contact. Again, very easy to do.

Please let the List know how you make out. Pics are always welcome
as well. Good luck!

S-Happens,
Tim Brown






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45544 From: Chuck Bukauskas Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted, Road Bed.
Johnson Roadbed
--- gflyerfan <a1g2man@...> wrote:

> Hello, Im new to the group. I am building a
> new layout with old
> track. I am looking for all the Rubber Road
> bed I can get. I need it
> to finish my track layout. If anyone has any
> leads, I am quite
> interested. Thank You, Aaron.
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45545 From: faltrain5 Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Water Towers and electric uncouplers???????
I have just started my long awaited winter train set! After a week of
setting up of legs and 2*4's and a special order of the old fashion
homasote board I am puzzled. Setting up trains on a huge train board is
like a carnival to a little kid for me and I don't know where to start!
I own original 46-66 s gauge gilbert american flyer trains and usually
just have compact train layouts with crazy switches everywhere. I don't
know where to put water towers??? Is there a special place where to put
them to get the most out of them and look real??? Also, how do you get
a electro uncoupler to function properly using trains on a layout??? I
want to be able to uncouple the cars and get them back on with a
totally different engine. Its tough! Expecially when working with
vintage stuff like that. Thats about it. So e-mail me with what you
got. I will be waiting not very patiently hah,hah.

-Geoff
Group: S-Trains Message: 45546 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: SHS track and accessories
In a message dated 10/29/2007 10:46:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Timboy@... writes:

Devising trips for action cars shouldn't be difficult either. I
would take the rails off one section of SHS sectional track and use
them to make up third rails mounted off to the side where the car's
action lever would come into contact. Again, very easy to do.

OR just order the SHS 00671 3rd Rail Accessory trip w/button for 19.95 +
shipping and PA Sales Tx (if applicable0 save some time and hassle. Will have
them at Allentown Train Meet Nov 10 & 11, along with S-Trax, switches, bumpers,
engines, cars etc.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45547 From: Robert A Persing Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted, Road Bed.
Aaron,
There is a whole bunch on Ebay right now for sale. Bob Persing
----- Original Message -----
From: gflyerfan
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:24 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Wanted, Road Bed.


Hello, Im new to the group. I am building a new layout with old
track. I am looking for all the Rubber Road bed I can get. I need it
to finish my track layout. If anyone has any leads, I am quite
interested. Thank You, Aaron.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45548 From: Paul Limone Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted, Road Bed.
Aaron -

You can buy new repro from Rick Johnson - he is listed in most of the train
mags

If not , I actually have quite a bit of original - approximately 200 pieces
(Straight and Curved)
Its in various degrees of condition but certainly most of its usable
Much of the straights are still attached to the track - You can have it for
1buck each - roadbed and track

IF youre interested let me know - Im converting to american models track and
its sitting under the train table
waiting to be sold

I need to recount it - not sure how much straight and curves I have
(I have some repro for the larger KLINE curves too - but only a handful of
those)


Paul Limone
plimo7@...
Branford CT



On 10/29/07, gflyerfan <a1g2man@...> wrote:
>
> Hello, Im new to the group. I am building a new layout with old
> track. I am looking for all the Rubber Road bed I can get. I need it
> to finish my track layout. If anyone has any leads, I am quite
> interested. Thank You, Aaron.
>
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45549 From: Rick Evans Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted, Road Bed.
Most of my rubber roadbed came from eBay.
Some good deals, some even came with track.

Rick.
.


Hello, Im new to the group. I am building a new layout with old
track. I am looking for all the Rubber Road bed I can get. I need it
to finish my track layout. If anyone has any leads, I am quite
interested. Thank You, Aaron.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45550 From: Marty.Thorin Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: SHS track and accessories-Third Rail Accessory Track w/Button
I love the photos shown in the catalog. Note the third rail shoe. It
is NOT on the third rail. So how is the dump car powered in the dump
photo?

Thorin
In beautiful Vancouver this week

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3a. Re: SHS track and accessories-Third Rail Accessory Track w/Button
Posted by: "tennsgauge@..." tennsgauge@... tennsgauger
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:59 am ((PDT))

Be aware that SHS has a half track section with the third rail for
American
Flyer action cars. It is #671 5" Third Rail Accessory Track with
Button. It
could easily be missed on the website because it is listed under Track
Accessories, not under Track. I would expect this to be handy for every
action car except the mail pickup car which of course requires a stand
for the mailbags.
- Earl Henry, Nashville

--- In _S-Trains@yahoogroupS-Tra_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ,
"James Hannawald" <jhannawald@jha>
wrote:
>
> Has any one tried to adapt the SHS track to accommodate some of the
American Flyer accessories? Particularly the baggage loader and
stock yard. And, how successful were you. In the past I have used AF
track and the SHS adapters, but like to have all SHS track on the
layout.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45551 From: lglumac@comcast.net Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted, Road Bed.
aaron email me at lglumac@... for your road bed needs.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "gflyerfan" <a1g2man@...>
Hello, Im new to the group. I am building a new layout with old
track. I am looking for all the Rubber Road bed I can get. I need it
to finish my track layout. If anyone has any leads, I am quite
interested. Thank You, Aaron.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45552 From: Russ Dondero Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: Snow shed for Layout 0709.JPG copy
It's at the bottom of the e-mail I sent out
yesterday... Just scroll down and you'll see it...
I've just gone to G-mail and I'm still learning the
ropes of how to send documents. If for some reason
you didn't get it, just let me know and I can send it
upon request to your own e-mail address from my
non-yahoo address.

--- afironhorse <afironhorse@...> wrote:

> Russ,
> Is there anyway you can put a picture of the snow
> shed on the web for
> us to see?
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Russ Dondero
> <russtrainmax@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > A friend of mine who is a professional metals
> sculptor
> > built this snow shed for my layout, it's 30" in
> length
> > and 5" in height and 3" in width. It looks like
> wood,
> > but it is really stainless steel which he made to
> look
> > like corrugated steel/wood... If any of you are
> > interested in something like this for you layout -
> > just e-mail me and I'll pass your inquiry along to
> > him. He's very busy so there's a waiting list for
> > jobs to be done. It wasn't cheap either. But I'm
> > very pleased with the results! Obviously this is
> the
> > yard area of my layout and part of the mainline...
>
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45553 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted, Road Bed.
Original AF rubber roadbed is hard to find with wide tie being more
common than narrow tie. Depending on how much you need you might find
enough on eBay. eBay cost for original roadbed will run around $2 -
$3 per section plus shipping unless you get lucky. Luckily the
roadbed is easy to clean so you can buy dirty, painted roadbed and
still make it look like new. You can check out some roadbed I used at
the following:

http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bull+gator/Roadbed/

Several of the parts vendors on this list have wide tie reproduction
rubber roadbed. I've never seen narrow tie reprodction roadbed but it
may exist out there somewhere. I'm sure they will let you know their
price and availability. Good luck and welcome to the group!

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "gflyerfan" <a1g2man@...> wrote:
>
> Hello, Im new to the group. I am building a new layout with old
> track. I am looking for all the Rubber Road bed I can get. I need
it
> to finish my track layout. If anyone has any leads, I am quite
> interested. Thank You, Aaron.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45554 From: clayton deich Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted, Road Bed.
Aaron you can get repro that looks as good as OEM
stuff.


--- gflyerfan <a1g2man@...> wrote:

> Hello, Im new to the group. I am building a new
> layout with old
> track. I am looking for all the Rubber Road bed I
> can get. I need it
> to finish my track layout. If anyone has any leads,
> I am quite
> interested. Thank You, Aaron.
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45555 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: Snow shed for Layout 0709.JPG copy
I see no links to click on when I scroll down.



Chuck Smith

http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

cesmith@...



_____

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Russ Dondero
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 2:21 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Snow shed for Layout 0709.JPG copy



It's at the bottom of the e-mail I sent out
yesterday... Just scroll down and you'll see it...
I've just gone to G-mail and I'm still learning the
ropes of how to send documents. If for some reason
you didn't get it, just let me know and I can send it
upon request to your own e-mail address from my
non-yahoo address.

--- afironhorse <afironhorse@ <mailto:afironhorse%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Russ,
> Is there anyway you can put a picture of the snow
> shed on the web for
> us to see?
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com, Russ
Dondero
> <russtrainmax@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > A friend of mine who is a professional metals
> sculptor
> > built this snow shed for my layout, it's 30" in
> length
> > and 5" in height and 3" in width. It looks like
> wood,
> > but it is really stainless steel which he made to
> look
> > like corrugated steel/wood... If any of you are
> > interested in something like this for you layout -
> > just e-mail me and I'll pass your inquiry along to
> > him. He's very busy so there's a waiting list for
> > jobs to be done. It wasn't cheap either. But I'm
> > very pleased with the results! Obviously this is
> the
> > yard area of my layout and part of the mainline...
>
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> protection around
> > http://mail. <http://mail.yahoo.com> yahoo.com
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> >
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45556 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: Water Towers and electric uncouplers???????
In a message dated 10/30/2007 6:20:23 PM Central Daylight Time,
faltrain5@... writes:

I have just started my long awaited winter train set! After a week of
setting up of legs and 2*4's and a special order of the old fashion
homasote board I am puzzled. Setting up trains on a huge train board is
like a carnival to a little kid for me and I don't know where to start!
I own original 46-66 s gauge gilbert american flyer trains and usually
just have compact train layouts with crazy switches everywhere. I don't
know where to put water towers??? Is there a special place where to put
them to get the most out of them and look real??? Also, how do you get
a electro uncoupler to function properly using trains on a layout??? I
want to be able to uncouple the cars and get them back on with a
totally different engine. Its tough! Expecially when working with
vintage stuff like that. Thats about it. So e-mail me with what you
got. I will be waiting not very patiently hah,hah.

-Geoff





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45557 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 10/30/2007
Subject: Re: Water Towers and electric uncouplers???????
Geoff,

I have a always thought it was logical to put a water tower where you would
want your locomotive to stop even if there was not a water tower, like at the
far end of a siding where the steam loco would stop while another train is on
the main line. I am a passenger train freak so theoretically I would like to
arrange as many accessory items as possible in a normal position for servicing
a passenger train that pulls into the station. This might start with planning
a Sam the Semaphore man or a 761 semaphore where you want the train to stop.
And the water tower should be placed wherever the tender would be stopped.
You might want to put the water tower on one side of the track and a coal
loader on the other side of the track, so the loco could take on water and coal at
the same time. * If your passenger train was pulling an action baggage car,
it should have the loading platform lined up to load and unload at the same
time that the loco is being serviced. If your passenger train had an action
coach with Guilford Station accessory, it should follow, with people loading and
unloading. Some might prefer to have a station with baggage smasher or a
talking station instead. While all this action is taking place, a switcher could
be removing or adding a Pullman car to the rear of the consist. So this
would determine where you would want to place one of the uncouplers. One might
not have all of these accessories or might not have the space to place them as I
have described. But what I have described is my theoretical ideal Flyer
passenger train layout with accessories. The water tower would be one of several
simultaneously operating accessories.

I will let someone else suggest where to logically place the water tower on a
freight layout. Also, I am not sure how to answer your question about the
American Flyer uncouplers. Use of the uncouplers seems pretty straight-forward
to me.

- Earl Henry, Nashville

* In theory the coal loader should be used to load coal into the tender,
even though the accessory was designed for coal to cycle from a loaded coal
hopper and then back into an empty coal hopper.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45558 From: Grant Date: 10/31/2007
Subject: Re: SHS track and accessories
Hi
I Modified my SHS track for both the cattle loader and passenger
station and both work fine.
Just need to trim off the sides carefully
Good Luck!
Grant


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <adlbert1950@...> wrote:
>
> Hi from Alan Lambert,
> I have the accesory track from SHS. Look for it in the track
accessory page where you will also find the uncupler track section.
These are all 5" track sections. Mine works good with my flyonel(oops)
Moe and Joe lumber car.
> Thanks,
>
Alan
>
> Tim Brown <Timboy@...> wrote:
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "James Hannawald"
<jhannawald@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Has any one tried to adapt the SHS track to accommodate some of the
> American Flyer accessories? Particularly the baggage loader and
> stock yard. And, how successful were you. In the past I have used AF
> track and the SHS adapters, but like to have all SHS track on the
> layout.
> >
>
> Hi,
>
> I haven't but I don't see why it couldn't be done. I suspect you
> might have to mark the molded roadbed in areas, then use a Dremel,
> band saw, jig saw or coping saw to carefully trim away the parts that
> might not fit into the accessory track space well. That is certainly
> easily doable. The height ought to be okay, since it mates up with
> vintage tack on rubber roadbed, does it not.
>
> Devising trips for action cars shouldn't be difficult either. I
> would take the rails off one section of SHS sectional track and use
> them to make up third rails mounted off to the side where the car's
> action lever would come into contact. Again, very easy to do.
>
> Please let the List know how you make out. Pics are always welcome
> as well. Good luck!
>
> S-Happens,
> Tim Brown
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45559 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 10/31/2007
Subject: Blue Ridge Scenic Railway Excursion Photos
I have posted some photos on our recent excursion on the Blue Ridge
Scenic Railway. The railway is nestled in the mountains of Georgia
in the Chattahoochee National Forest and departs from Blue Ridge,
GA. The 3 1/2 hour, 26 mile round trip winds along the beautiful
Toccoa River and stops for a layover in the quaint sister towns of
McCaysville, GA and Copperhill, TN.

You can view the photos at:

http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bull+gator/BRSR/

While you're at the photo gallery please be sure to visit the rest
of my albums dedicated to American Flyer. Also visit the other fine
photo albums belonging to other great members of this group!

If you have any questions about the Blue Ridge Scenic Railway please
let me know or you can visit their website at:

http://www.brscenic.com/

I hope you enjoy the galleries.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 45560 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 10/31/2007
Subject: Flyonel Gabe
Good Morning All -

I recently obtained a new "Flyonel" Gabe the Lamplighter. It's an
accurate repro with the exception that Lionel has added what they
call some "improvements" that include Gabe turning the lamps on,
sliding down the ladder, then going back up, and re-touching the
switch to turn it off. Works well.

However, it was a challenge to wire through my layout top. Connected
to the tower is a five-wire cable approx. 3/16" in diameter. That
cable runs to the switch (soldered connections) and then a very small
(maybe 24 ga., tops) 2-wire power cord runs from the switch box to
the power and ground. The switch box is standard AF issue in size,
so there was no way to fish it through a small hole.

I try to wire all my accessories through the lay-out top to hide the
wires, but for the life of me, I couldn't figure a way to do this
without either un-soldering the cable from the switch or from the
tower. I opted to cut the cable (it's about 36 in. long)leaving
about a 14-16 inch stub of cable I could poke thrugh the hole I
drilled in my top and then re-connected it under the table.

It works fine, but I find it odd that they wouldn't realize most of
us would want to be able to disconnect one end or the other. Have
any of you also encountered this and come up with a better/more
creative solution?

Stumped in Colorado-
Jim E.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45561 From: David Dewey Date: 10/31/2007
Subject: Water Towers & Electric Uncouplers
Prototypically on large railroads, water towers were near coaling & fueling
facilities. Additionaally near yards, stations and junctions--and
occassionally out on the mainline. On short-line railroads, they could be
almost anywheres--the McCloud had a few on the line to Mt Shasta that were
just beside the mainline to replenish the tenders as needed for the trip
over the summit. So you could put one almost anywhere.
Uncouplers, however, require some thought. They are best on straight track,
with at least one section of track on either side of them, as ACG couplers
like to be lined up first. Flyonel couplers, at least the modern ones, are
too finicky, IMHO, to be remotely operated.
Hope that helps. Have FUN!!
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45562 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 10/31/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Gabe
Jim,

I noticed the same problem but haven't gotten around to finding a
fix. My first thought was to locate a jumper with the correct male
and female connectors on each end. I would place the control button
along side my other controls and then run the jumper between the
control button and the connection from Gabe. I'm assuming the
connectors are not some special Lionel design but I haven't tried
looking for any compatible connectors yet. Anyone have a better
idea??

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "hugoroundhouse" <jimensign50@...>
wrote:
>
> Good Morning All -

>
> However, it was a challenge to wire through my layout top.
Connected
> to the tower is a five-wire cable approx. 3/16" in diameter.
That
> cable runs to the switch (soldered connections) and then a very
small
> (maybe 24 ga., tops) 2-wire power cord runs from the switch box to
> the power and ground. The switch box is standard AF issue in
size,
> so there was no way to fish it through a small hole..........................
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45563 From: James Hannawald Date: 10/31/2007
Subject: SHS Track and AF Accessories
I would like to thank all those that replied to my question about adapting SHS track to fit into the bases of some of the AF accessories.

I bit the bullet and decided to take razor saw and dremel tool in hand and see what would work. After measuring and rechecking I started to cut things out.

I have posted a couple of photos as suggested by a couple of suggestions. They are at http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/Jim+Hannawald/?g2_page=2 There is also another photo on page 3.

Jim Hannawald

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45564 From: Tim Brown Date: 10/31/2007
Subject: Re: SHS Track and AF Accessories
Hi,

Great work Jim! A little ballast or lichen if needed and noone is the
wiser. Thanks for the pics!

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45565 From: roncsx Date: 11/1/2007
Subject: LANSING SHOW REMINDER
Model Railroaders visiting Lansing, Michigan.

The Lansing Model Railroad Club is sponsoring their annual Train Show
and Sale on Sunday, November 18, 2007. New show times are 10:00 –
4:00.

- Over 450 tables.
- Over 10 display layouts from Z to G Scale and Legos!
- Large open venue
- Expanded floor plan
- Live demos by NMRA North Central Region Division 5
- New models, toy trains, Thomas the Tank Engine toys, Railroad
Memorabilia, book and DVDs, collectibles and much, much more!

More details and table reservations can be found at:

http://www.lmrc.org

See the show's TV ad here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua0EevwbFks

Note: The TV ad states this Sunday as it is scheduled to air the
week before the show. The actual show date is November 18, 2007.

Any inquiries please reply direct to this address:

r.stlaurent@...

We hope to see you there!


Ron St.Laurent
Lansing Model Railroad Club
Group: S-Trains Message: 45566 From: chasesmithus Date: 11/1/2007
Subject: AM diesels that pull following car off the track on AF radius
I know that AM published a fix for this using the standard AF type
coupler to swivel more. There is another fairly simple fix: simply
install a pair of KD102s or 108s, one on the rear of the loco and one
on the car immediately behind the loco. All the AM cars seem to have
mounting holes ready for the KDs. The couplers work fine on standard
flyer track radius and even couple on the curve becsause they're body
mount to body mount. I did this a couple evenings ago with a GP9 and
it works perfectly. I now run my pair of GP9s with all KDs. For
larger diesels like the Trainmaster and SD60 the couplers may be
mounted to the truck tongue. As I add KDs to more rolling stock I am
sorry I didn't start the changeover years ago. But now it would take
my whole train budget just changing couplers.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45567 From: Mike Rosz Date: 11/1/2007
Subject: Re: Water Towers and electric uncouplers???????
two ideas
1. put the water tower ( fo water in the steam engines) hear the round
house or barn
or teain shed.

2. put your electro uncoupler on a siding back one train in and have the
track with a slight
slope so when they uncouple they do not go back on the main line. OF
COURSE you.
will have a bumper at the end.

what iis the size of your layout?


On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:51:36 EDT tennsgauge@... writes:

In a message dated 10/30/2007 6:20:23 PM Central Daylight Time,
faltrain5@... writes:

I have just started my long awaited winter train set! After a week of
setting up of legs and 2*4's and a special order of the old fashion
homasote board I am puzzled. Setting up trains on a huge train board is
like a carnival to a little kid for me and I don't know where to start!
I own original 46-66 s gauge gilbert american flyer trains and usually
just have compact train layouts with crazy switches everywhere. I don't
know where to put water towers??? Is there a special place where to put
them to get the most out of them and look real??? Also, how do you get
a electro uncoupler to function properly using trains on a layout??? I
want to be able to uncouple the cars and get them back on with a
totally different engine. Its tough! Expecially when working with
vintage stuff like that. Thats about it. So e-mail me with what you
got. I will be waiting not very patiently hah,hah.

-Geoff

************************************** See what's new at
http://www.aol.com

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45568 From: David Haslauer Date: 11/1/2007
Subject: Re: Snow shed for Layout 0709.JPG copy
Hey everybody, if you want to see russtrainmax@... "Snow Shed", I put the picture out there in the "File" section. The file name is Snow Shed.

David

----- Original Message ----
From: Russ Dondero <russtrainmax@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:20:48 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Snow shed for Layout 0709.JPG copy














It's at the bottom of the e-mail I sent out

yesterday... Just scroll down and you'll see it...

I've just gone to G-mail and I'm still learning the

ropes of how to send documents. If for some reason

you didn't get it, just let me know and I can send it

upon request to your own e-mail address from my

non-yahoo address.



--- afironhorse <afironhorse@ yahoo.com> wrote:



> Russ,

> Is there anyway you can put a picture of the snow

> shed on the web for

> us to see?

>

> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, Russ Dondero

> <russtrainmax@ ...>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > A friend of mine who is a professional metals

> sculptor

> > built this snow shed for my layout, it's 30" in

> length

> > and 5" in height and 3" in width. It looks like

> wood,

> > but it is really stainless steel which he made to

> look

> > like corrugated steel/wood.. .. If any of you are

> > interested in something like this for you layout -

> > just e-mail me and I'll pass your inquiry along to

> > him. He's very busy so there's a waiting list for

> > jobs to be done.. It wasn't cheap either. But I'm

> > very pleased with the results! Obviously this is

> the

> > yard area of my layout and part of the mainline...

>

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

> > Do You Yahoo!?

> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam

> protection around

> > http://mail.. yahoo.com

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

>

>

>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45569 From: Russ Dondero Date: 11/2/2007
Subject: Re: Snow shed for Layout 0709.JPG copy
Thanks!

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> russtrainmax@... "Snow Shed", I put the
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> David
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> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Snow shed for Layout
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> > > jobs to be done.. It wasn't cheap either. But
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45570 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 11/2/2007
Subject: Coupler conversion cars
Chuck's description of using Kadee couplers and Flyer compatable
couplers reminded me of something I did way back in the late fifties.
My Dad decided to convert me to HO "scale" from my American Flyer
trains. This required learning to build cardstock and balsa wood
kits,etc. Back at that time the HO manufacturers were slowly
beginning to accept the NMRA's "standard" coupler the X2f or "horn
hook" coupler. But before that, each manufacturer had their own
coupler, so if you wanted to run cars from different manufacturers,
you either had to decide which coupler was going to be your "standard"
coupler and convert every car to it. Or you made "conversion cars"
with one type of coupler on one end and a different one on the other
end so you could combine cars of different manufacturers. I had five
different conversion cars, sometimes I had to run them all in one
train!
Today you could probably get by with three conversion cars in S
gauge. One to go from Flyer Knuckles to Links, one from Flyer
knuckles to Kadee knuckles, and one from Links to Kadees.
I suppose you could also make one up to go from truck mounted
couplers to boidy mounted couplers too.
Conversion cars might seem like a Mickey Mouse way to do things to
some. But it's an easy and cost effective way to run everything in
your fleet if you have a multiple coupler situation.
Stumpy Stone...been doin' this too long...Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45571 From: muniman18 Date: 11/2/2007
Subject: COUPLERS
Stumpy again you have proven to be the seer, the guru,the high
potentate, the grand pooba of reasonalble S gauge fixes.When I dug
out my old trains came across ,if I remember right, a mail pick
up car with link and knuckle couplers. I didn't know what the heck
it was until I remembered my DAD figured out this abt 60 years
ago So I/we could run link and the new knuckle couplers and put
different cars etc with different engines.No big Einstein
thoughts, Remember KISS {keep it simple stupid} Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 45572 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 11/2/2007
Subject: Re: AM diesels that pull following car off the track on AF radius
I suspect a misprint..... you mean 802s or 808s,,,, right?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "chasesmithus" <cesmith@...> wrote:
>
> I know that AM published a fix for this using the standard AF type
> coupler to swivel more. There is another fairly simple fix: simply
> install a pair of KD102s or 108s, one on the rear of the loco and one
> on the car immediately behind the loco. All the AM cars seem to have
> mounting holes ready for the KDs. The couplers work fine on standard
> flyer track radius and even couple on the curve becsause they're body
> mount to body mount. I did this a couple evenings ago with a GP9 and
> it works perfectly. I now run my pair of GP9s with all KDs. For
> larger diesels like the Trainmaster and SD60 the couplers may be
> mounted to the truck tongue. As I add KDs to more rolling stock I am
> sorry I didn't start the changeover years ago. But now it would take
> my whole train budget just changing couplers.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45573 From: frank emiro Date: 11/2/2007
Subject: AF Guy runs for Congress
Jim is an American Flyer collector and operator. I thought you might enjoy his story in The Concord Monitor from Oct28th. Here is a short part of it....... (Afterward, the gregarious Steiner invited supporters to his basement to check out the Steiner family collection of American Flyer model trains, one-third of which sat in a floor-to-ceiling glass case.)
You can read the entire story at www.joinjim2008.com and go to OCT 28 under press



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45574 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 11/2/2007
Subject: Re: AM diesels that pull following car off the track on AF radius
Thanks for the correction. Obviously 802's and 808's. I must have been
half asleep.



Chuck Smith

http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Phil Dunlop
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:00 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AM diesels that pull following car off the track on
AF radius



I suspect a misprint..... you mean 802s or 808s,,,, right?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com,
"chasesmithus" <cesmith@...> wrote:
>
> I know that AM published a fix for this using the standard AF type
> coupler to swivel more. There is another fairly simple fix: simply
> install a pair of KD102s or 108s, one on the rear of the loco and one
> on the car immediately behind the loco. All the AM cars seem to have
> mounting holes ready for the KDs. The couplers work fine on standard
> flyer track radius and even couple on the curve becsause they're body
> mount to body mount. I did this a couple evenings ago with a GP9 and
> it works perfectly. I now run my pair of GP9s with all KDs. For
> larger diesels like the Trainmaster and SD60 the couplers may be
> mounted to the truck tongue. As I add KDs to more rolling stock I am
> sorry I didn't start the changeover years ago. But now it would take
> my whole train budget just changing couplers.
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45575 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/2/2007
Subject: Gas Prices
I was going through some of my HO items from the past, 1965 to 1970, as I do have allot of Varney and Tyco items, in the box. Probably not worth anything, as a box for AHM is advertising toy military items, for 25 cents, like people, trucks, tanks, including German trucks. All this in 1965. Ahh, the power of marketing.

Anyway, I came across a two sided gas sign, the type you see people sometimes wearing to advertise something. One side has regular gas for 27.9 and the other side has gas for 32.9 for premium.

So gas on my layout to be, will be pretty cheap.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45576 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/2/2007
Subject: Gettysburg, Lancaster
Last weekend, I spent time in Gettysburg and Lancaster, spurred by the trip the weekend before of York. At York, I did not get a chance to see the brick I had purchased for the walkway at the TCA Museum. So, Linda and I decided to go back to PA for some more train things.

On Thursday, we rode the Pioneer Lines train in Gettysburg, for the first time, as we live 45 minutes from Gettysburg. I highly recommend this ride. The trip was 90 minutes, as it went to Biglerville, home of Mott's Apples. I had no idea that PA was that big into Apples, as I think of WVA and Winchester for that.

The ride was great, as the conductor did a great job. They had a double decker open air car, that we did not take, that was made from a auto transport car in 1984. There is a ice plant that was used for reefer cars that was converting into dorms for Gettysburg College. We also saw the re-opened Train Station in town, that supposedly that Lincoln came through on his way to do his address at the battlefield.

We had a great dinner at the Cashtown Inn off US 30 north of Gettysburg.

Friday it was rainy, as we saw this round barn built in 1914 and headed out to Lancaster. Since it was raining, we went to the Strasburg RR shop and I was totally in shock to see all the S Helper product they where stocking. I picked up 9 cars as they will be on the layout, as yes, next week is the big week to get the wood for the table finally. They had some Loco Matic engines reduced from 599 to 425, but Don Thompson told me that the DCC engines where the better way to go. Any one on the S list looking for some Loco matic steam engines, contact them.

We got some Woodland shaker bottles of grass, a saw for cutting track and Linda had to get these S scale cats, 2 in a bag for $4.25 that you can barely see! LOL She said we could put them on a telegraph pole and have a fire dept rescue scene on the layout. And I am sure the owner of the cats will not be billed, as my little ride to the hospital after the bike accident was only 6650.00. LOL Insurance will cover that.

So that was Friday, as we had dinner at the Iron Horse Inn in Strasburg, as we where a little disappointed with the dinner, but still a good place.

Saturday, we went back to Strasburg RR shop to get a few more S Helper cars and then to the TCA museum. Had a good time there, as I saw my brick, plus a few others, including Gordon Wilson's, Bob O'Conner's nicely done bricks for his wife.

Last time I was at the TCA museum in 2004, when my retina went out in the museum, they had Porta Johns for rest rooms. 3 years later, my retina problem and the porta johns are still there!

Sunday, the day we left, we found two rail trails in Lancaster county off of PA 283, as we hiked one of them, as they where short lines. The one we walked for five miles round trip was very interesting with a ton of animals. Cows, Goats and Turkeys on farms, as the turkeys, where on the trail! Food for thanksgiving.

At the end of the trail, was the main line still in use where it connected. Interesting foundation ruins for the switch tower.

But sadly no telegraph poles.

Oh, in Gettysburg, is a train Shoppe on US 30, I believe the name use to be Carver's. Lots of used trains, as he had allot of AF. There was a back room where 3 women where knitting. I think one of the women was the wife of the owner as she had a shop at one time on her own for Marx trains.

We are going back to Lancaster in December, as Bob Board will have his AF layout running on the weekend, 880 sq feet.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45577 From: frank emiro Date: 11/2/2007
Subject: Re: Gettysburg, Lancaster
If is a great train ride. Last year I took the cab ride in both F7's. I almost brought apples from NH until my friend in Gettysburg told me about all the apples out there.
Did you go to the train museum in Gettysburg?

Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
Last weekend, I spent time in Gettysburg and Lancaster, spurred by the trip the weekend before of York. At York, I did not get a chance to see the brick I had purchased for the walkway at the TCA Museum. So, Linda and I decided to go back to PA for some more train things................................



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45578 From: Geoffrey Faltot Date: 11/3/2007
Subject: Re: Water Towers and electric uncouplers???????
Every Christmas I set up a layout consisting of vintage 46-66 all original american flyer trains. Every year, as well, I add one or two homasote boards to it, and every year I start about a week earlier than the year before. This year is 7 boards. it is 10ft by 20ft. with a double decker in the back corner of one board that is 4*8 (which every board is) I will have pictures when it is all done.

Mike Rosz <n9guy@...> wrote:
two ideas
1. put the water tower ( fo water in the steam engines) hear the round
house or barn
or teain shed.

2. put your electro uncoupler on a siding back one train in and have the
track with a slight
slope so when they uncouple they do not go back on the main line. OF
COURSE you.
will have a bumper at the end.

what iis the size of your layout?

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:51:36 EDT tennsgauge@... writes:

In a message dated 10/30/2007 6:20:23 PM Central Daylight Time,
faltrain5@... writes:

I have just started my long awaited winter train set! After a week of
setting up of legs and 2*4's and a special order of the old fashion
homasote board I am puzzled. Setting up trains on a huge train board is
like a carnival to a little kid for me and I don't know where to start!
I own original 46-66 s gauge gilbert american flyer trains and usually
just have compact train layouts with crazy switches everywhere. I don't
know where to put water towers??? Is there a special place where to put
them to get the most out of them and look real??? Also, how do you get
a electro uncoupler to function properly using trains on a layout??? I
want to be able to uncouple the cars and get them back on with a
totally different engine. Its tough! Expecially when working with
vintage stuff like that. Thats about it. So e-mail me with what you
got. I will be waiting not very patiently hah,hah.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45579 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/3/2007
Subject: Re: Gettysburg, Lancaster
Hi Frank,

I just google train museum in Gettysburg and now I remember!

I have never been in that museum.

Will have to do that.

Thanks for asking about it.

Mike
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From: frank emiro
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gettysburg, Lancaster


If is a great train ride. Last year I took the cab ride in both F7's. I almost brought apples from NH until my friend in Gettysburg told me about all the apples out there.
Did you go to the train museum in Gettysburg?

Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
Last weekend, I spent time in Gettysburg and Lancaster, spurred by the trip the weekend before of York. At York, I did not get a chance to see the brick I had purchased for the walkway at the TCA Museum. So, Linda and I decided to go back to PA for some more train things................................

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45580 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/3/2007
Subject: Re: Gettysburg, Lancaster
Hi Frank,

The only train museum in Gettysburg that I can think of is the newly reopened RR station from the 1860's, as they are not done with making displays.

Could there be something else?

Mike
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From: frank emiro
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gettysburg, Lancaster


If is a great train ride. Last year I took the cab ride in both F7's. I almost brought apples from NH until my friend in Gettysburg told me about all the apples out there.
Did you go to the train museum in Gettysburg?

Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
Last weekend, I spent time in Gettysburg and Lancaster, spurred by the trip the weekend before of York. At York, I did not get a chance to see the brick I had purchased for the walkway at the TCA Museum. So, Linda and I decided to go back to PA for some more train things................................

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45581 From: ecphora123 Date: 11/3/2007
Subject: News Flash Another V Roseman Kitbash
Hi,

On pages 49 thru 55 of the Oct/Nov 07 issue of O Gauge Railroading
there is another kit-bashed gem created by Vic Roseman. Starting with a
#45611 P'ville Schoolhouse kit, Vic describes how one to model a 1930s
Colonial Revival style post office such as the one in Matawan, NJ.
While the finished structure is intended for "O", Vic comments that the
kit is a bit undersized (I take that to mean for "O". Need I say more?

Gene Cimino
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45583 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/3/2007
Subject: Wood
I went to Home Depot tonight to get some small things for upcoming work on the table next week, wood screws, no 8, 1&1/4 inch, wood glue and some other things.

I was looking at the wood, to see if they had a 2 x 2 for the legs, as noted in a design by Lynn Wescott. They did not have 2x 2 but 2 x 3. Will that be okay?

The real reason I write, is that they have "Premium" wood and no 2 grade, which looks about the same, but no 2 is a bit cheaper, but not much more. I was asking someone in the lumber dept about the different and he told me not to use the premium wood for inside, as it has chemicals on it to help it last longer outside, as the chemicals may give fumes inside the house! I had no idea about this. Good thing I ask him about the grades, as he said no 2 is okay for what I am doing.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45584 From: Scott Dollinger Date: 11/3/2007
Subject: Re: Gas Prices
Mike,



Don't you find it curious that oil is up over 90 bucks and at least here the
price of gas has not gone up.. Last time the price went up the next day...
it takes about 3 months for oil prices to work through to gas inventories..
Hmmm think maybe Exxon is worried about pricing regulations in that
industry..



Do me a favor and put up a little store front bank or mortgage business .
May some day look back at that and marvel...



The good ole days...





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Of Michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 6:50 PM
To: Toy Trains; s-trains@yahoogroups.com; cookie flannery; Jeff Snell; Ralph
Loveless
Subject: [S-Trains] Gas Prices



I was going through some of my HO items from the past, 1965 to 1970, as I do
have allot of Varney and Tyco items, in the box. Probably not worth
anything, as a box for AHM is advertising toy military items, for 25 cents,
like people, trucks, tanks, including German trucks. All this in 1965. Ahh,
the power of marketing.

Anyway, I came across a two sided gas sign, the type you see people
sometimes wearing to advertise something. One side has regular gas for 27.9
and the other side has gas for 32.9 for premium.

So gas on my layout to be, will be pretty cheap.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45585 From: frank emiro Date: 11/4/2007
Subject: Re: Gettysburg, Lancaster
I think the name is the Lincoln Train Museum. There is a repl. of the train Lincoln rode on with a tape playing. To me what was more important was the display of TOY or MODEL trains. There is an O Layout and lots of tin plate and other trains on display.
It is not the largest display of trains, but there are enough in there to be enjoyed. There is (some) AF wide & S gauge and lots of other Standard and O gauge to see. It would be great if an S group would build a layout in it for others to enjoy when they visit Gettysburg.
Maybe a Franklin & Washington layout would fit into the Gettysburg theme ?






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45586 From: Trains Date: 11/4/2007
Subject: Re: Wood
Never use treated wood for any indoor project...never breathe / burn treated wood or dust it is very poisoness. The grade of wood lumber has nothing to do with whether it is treated for outdoor use. Grading has to do with finish, dryness and quality of wood grain...i.e. knots/grain direction, blemishes etc.

Use 2x2 railing posts (cedar/red wood /fir/pine) these usually are straight grained and with few knots about 48" long (for those legs) or you can use "furring strips of 2x2 size of pine/fir...these you will have to select for straightness and quality...if the lumber people will let you select. Furring also comes in 1x2 size and 1x3 sizes these are used to mount wall material over another existing surface such as a basement wall that you might want put sheet-rock on or to create a new surface for a ceiling etc. these sizes of wood are very usefull to us layout builders, and are usually #2 grade some have rough finish and some have smoothed surfaces... they are often economical..as they are not used in finished surfaces such as mill work or trim.

Check several places for supply/ type of wood (usually pine or fir) and pricing and to allow you to pick out the straight pieces, mention that you need these for a train layout and they need to be straight.

PS drill a centered hole in bottom of legs for a 1/4" to 3/8" hole for corresponding bolt with T-nut to adjust legs individually (2"-3" long).

Good luck, Peter Loeb


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45587 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/4/2007
Subject: Re: Wood
Mike,
Wecott designs I believe were for HO mainly, & did not take into
account "S" weight.
In my opinion, I would use the 2x3. Also the better grade. If the wood does
not have little slits & is green or brown, it is not treated wood.
Look at every one there has to be a grade stamp. Pick thru them just as you
would fruit & produce @ a market. Most wood will have a few knots ,look for
the fewest & tightest. Also towards the end where you might be cutting them
off anyway.
Another opinion, do a cost of the better grade over the cheaper grade & see
how much you will save. Do you want to save say $20 for a project that will
be around for years?
Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45588 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/4/2007
Subject: Re: Wood
I think the guy at Home Deport, the orange palace, mis understood me, for maybe saying Pressure treated wood, as I know that wood should not be inside a home.

I will go back and ask again about the PREMIUM wood being okay for inside use.

I never heard of just regular wood being treated with chemicals.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45589 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/4/2007
Subject: Re: Gettysburg, Lancaster
Thanks Frank, as after I sent that email out, that I did not know about a train museum, I googled and found it, as I past it all the time in going to Gettysburg.

I will have to check it out.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: frank emiro
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gettysburg, Lancaster


I think the name is the Lincoln Train Museum. There is a repl. of the train Lincoln rode on with a tape playing. To me what was more important was the display of TOY or MODEL trains. There is an O Layout and lots of tin plate and other trains on display.
It is not the largest display of trains, but there are enough in there to be enjoyed. There is (some) AF wide & S gauge and lots of other Standard and O gauge to see. It would be great if an S group would build a layout in it for others to enjoy when they visit Gettysburg.
Maybe a Franklin & Washington layout would fit into the Gettysburg theme ?



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45590 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 11/4/2007
Subject: Thanks to the AFSGSLA for a Great Fall S Fest Show
Thanks to ALL the members of the AFSGSLA for hosting a splendid S Fest in St.
Louis. It was first class and the hosts I met were extremely friendly and
helpful. I cannot recall all the names but three of them I enjoyed meeting for
the first time are Moe Berk, Jim Bresnahan, and Jack Riely.

Your club really did a great job.

- Earl Henry, Nashville, TN



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45591 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 11/4/2007
Subject: Old time passenger cars
I have two, old time car kits I would like to sell. They are
On30, the same size as "S" gauge cars, Modeled after the Florence &
Cripple Creek coach & combine car and coach car . NO TRUCKS or Decals.
Urethane cast cars, by star models. really nice kits. Both cars $50.00
+ $8.00 S&H
Jerry HR77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 45592 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/4/2007
Subject: Re: Wood
Thanks Mike, as I think I will go to a real lumber yard and let them know what I am doing and get the proper wood.

And yes, I rather pay a bit more, for the correct wood, and not have problems in the future.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: anormal1@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; mlmarmer@...
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wood


Mike,
Wecott designs I believe were for HO mainly, & did not take into
account "S" weight.
In my opinion, I would use the 2x3. Also the better grade. If the wood does
not have little slits & is green or brown, it is not treated wood.
Look at every one there has to be a grade stamp. Pick thru them just as you
would fruit & produce @ a market. Most wood will have a few knots ,look for
the fewest & tightest. Also towards the end where you might be cutting them
off anyway.
Another opinion, do a cost of the better grade over the cheaper grade & see
how much you will save. Do you want to save say $20 for a project that will
be around for years?
Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45593 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/4/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/4/2007, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT
 
Date:   Sunday November 4, 2007
Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am
Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
Location:   http://s-scale.org/forum/
Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45594 From: frank emiro Date: 11/4/2007
Subject: Re: Gettysburg, Lancaster
It is a fun visit..........

Michael and Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Thanks Frank, as after I sent that email out, that I did not know about a train museum, I googled and found it, as I passed it all the time in going to Gettysburg.

I will have to check it out.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: frank emiro
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gettysburg, Lancaster

I think the name is the Lincoln Train Museum. There is a repl. of the train Lincoln rode on with a tape playing. To me what was more important was the display of TOY or MODEL trains. There is an O Layout and lots of tin plate and other trains on display.
It is not the largest display of trains, but there are enough in there to be enjoyed. There is (some) AF wide & S gauge and lots of other Standard and O gauge to see. It would be great if an S group would build a layout in it for others to enjoy when they visit Gettysburg.
Maybe a Franklin & Washington layout would fit into the Gettysburg theme ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45595 From: clifma19@cox.net Date: 11/4/2007
Subject: Re: Thanks to the AFSGSLA for a Great Fall S Fest Show
I would like to chime in. The S Fest was excellent as usual. Everyone including Moe. Burk were great hosts and most helpful.
Clifford Manning
Topeka, Ks
Kansas City S Gaugers

---- tennsgauge@... wrote:
> Thanks to ALL the members of the AFSGSLA for hosting a splendid S Fest in St.
> Louis. It was first class and the hosts I met were extremely friendly and
> helpful. I cannot recall all the names but three of them I enjoyed meeting for
> the first time are Moe Berk, Jim Bresnahan, and Jack Riely.
>
> Your club really did a great job.
>
> - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45596 From: tedcanflyer Date: 11/4/2007
Subject: MTH / S gauge people
Hello everyone,

I had heard awhile ago [could be several years] that MTH people/figures
were closer to S than O size. If this was true, are all the figures
including the newest releases of MTH figures are still closer to S?

Thanks for any info.
Ted
Group: S-Trains Message: 45597 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: MTH/ S gauge people
Not all MTH people are S scale. The blister packs with "passengers"
are close to S scale. This is because the seats inside the MTH O
gauge passenger cars are way undersize, so they needed smaller people
to go in them. Certain other MTH packs of people have one or two
usable figures, but are way to expensive to be worth buying just for
those figures.
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Ahia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45598 From: clifma19@cox.net Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: Re: MTH / S gauge people
The one's that I have are.
Cliff Manning
Topeka, KS
---- tedcanflyer <rturczak@...> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I had heard awhile ago [could be several years] that MTH people/figures
> were closer to S than O size. If this was true, are all the figures
> including the newest releases of MTH figures are still closer to S?
>
> Thanks for any info.
> Ted
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45599 From: beebear Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: Re: Wood
I beleive the difference between Premiun wood and #2 wood is that #2 has some knots and Premium or #1 has no knots
either one can be used for legs. If they are being covered by cloth or paint it wouldn't matter as long as the knots are small

John

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45600 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: Re: MTH / S gauge people
I measured a man, women and boy at 1 3/16", 1 1/16" and 15/16".

In s scale these equate to 6'4", 5'8", and 5'.

They are well within S limits for somewhat tall people.

When I attend my son's Lutheran church I see many Scandinavian people this
tall.



Chuck Smith

http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

cesmith@...



_____

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of tedcanflyer
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:32 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] MTH / S gauge people



Hello everyone,

I had heard awhile ago [could be several years] that MTH people/figures
were closer to S than O size. If this was true, are all the figures
including the newest releases of MTH figures are still closer to S?

Thanks for any info.
Ted





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45601 From: Chuck Bukauskas Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: am looking for help....
have constructed layout in attic above garage...
here in Memphis.. (it gets hot in summer time)

am not a "craftman" , handiman, of any sort.



space is constrained.... goal was to "run"
trains.. Have accomplished that... but
left no room for scenery or accessories...



design was my own... using cadrail 8...



was imprinted with af when I received my 322
unit as santa gift back in 54..


would like for someone to review what I've
done... look at room constraints... and offer
/suggest options of what can be done with room
space available.

have pics, am willing to post just need to know
where...

If interested, please contact me offline.

Many thanks.

Sincerely,

Chuck Bukauskas
Cordova,Tn.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45602 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: Need AF track
Friends,

I need 3 full sections of vintage AF straight track for a halfinch project I'm working on.

Actually I really only need the 6 pieces of AF straight rail. I don't need the track pins, ties, fibre pads, etc.

As long as the rail is structrurally sound and not kinked, I don't care about about a bit of rust or slight bends.

Any help out there? Please contact me at dmunseyjr@... to make arrangements.

Keep in touch!

Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@...
Sn42 and Hn42 Radio Controlled operator
River Logging fan
Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan
Virginian Rwy fan
Bonsai grasshopper
Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45603 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: Re: MTH/ S gauge people
The MTH figures I bought were not expensive, package of 100 from Doug Peck
some time back, but needed painting. Since I retired I have more time than
money so they were a good deal. I populated my AM Budd cars with them.
Some had to lose their feet to fit at tables. Cars look much better with 3d
people in them.





Chuck Smith

http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

cesmith@...



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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Stumpy Stone
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:07 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] RE:MTH/ S gauge people



Not all MTH people are S scale. The blister packs with "passengers"
are close to S scale. This is because the seats inside the MTH O
gauge passenger cars are way undersize, so they needed smaller people
to go in them. Certain other MTH packs of people have one or two
usable figures, but are way to expensive to be worth buying just for
those figures.
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Ahia.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45604 From: rapidrail1 Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: Re: MTH / S gauge people
The original and current people designed for use inside passenger
cars are scaled to S so hey would fit in the seats. The other
figures are O scale.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Charles E. Smith" <cesmith@...>
wrote:
>
> I measured a man, women and boy at 1 3/16", 1 1/16" and 15/16".
>
> In s scale these equate to 6'4", 5'8", and 5'.
>
> They are well within S limits for somewhat tall people.
>
> When I attend my son's Lutheran church I see many Scandinavian
people this
> tall.
>
>
>
> Chuck Smith
>
> http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/
>
> cesmith@...
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of tedcanflyer
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:32 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] MTH / S gauge people
>
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I had heard awhile ago [could be several years] that MTH
people/figures
> were closer to S than O size. If this was true, are all the figures
> including the newest releases of MTH figures are still closer to S?
>
> Thanks for any info.
> Ted
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45605 From: barb Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: am looking for help
Hi Chuck,

What you need to do is get an album in our photo gallery and
post some pictures of what you have. Then we can all take a look
and provide you with some input.

You can also take a look at our layout photos in the gallery
and maybe get some input and ideas of your own. Especially
check the layout that Dick Kuepper has built. It sounds a
bit similar to your situation. His photo album page can be
seen at: http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/Kuepper/

Good Luck.... Barb


have constructed layout in attic above garage...
here in Memphis.. (it gets hot in summer time)

am not a "craftman" , handiman, of any sort.

space is constrained.... goal was to "run"
trains.. Have accomplished that... but
left no room for scenery or accessories...

design was my own... using cadrail 8...

was imprinted with af when I received my 322
unit as santa gift back in 54..

would like for someone to review what I've
done... look at room constraints... and offer
/suggest options of what can be done with room
space available.

have pics, am willing to post just need to know
where...

If interested, please contact me offline.

Many thanks.

Sincerely,

Chuck Bukauskas
Cordova,Tn.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45606 From: Howard Sheffield Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: Re: MTH / S gauge people
Hi Ted

I have had some of the O figures that are close to S, but still a
little oversize in my opinion. You could also consider using them
together to make parents and older children and so forth.

Howard Sheffield
Howard' S Trains


On Nov 4, 2007, at 7:32 PM, tedcanflyer wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I had heard awhile ago [could be several years] that MTH people/
> figures
> were closer to S than O size. If this was true, are all the figures
> including the newest releases of MTH figures are still closer to S?
>
> Thanks for any info.
> Ted
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45607 From: Alan Evans Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: Re: Coupler conversion options
List,

Kadee O Scale couplers will couple with American Flyer knuckle
couplers.



- Alan Evans



.


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5570/stime=1194016719/nc1=4507179/nc2=4025304/nc3=4834084>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45608 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: Wood-Done
Thanks to everyone on the lists for advice on my wood buying for the layout.

I did go to a local lumber yard and got most of the wood to make the 12 x 9 ft girder/joist framing.

All I need to get once that is done, are the braces for it. I need to measure for the braces once the frame is done.

Thanks! 15 years in the making for this.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45609 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: Ebay Humorous description
http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-24516-24539-NEW-HAVEN-FLAT-CARS-3-pc_W0QQitemZ180176526226QQihZ008QQcategoryZ480QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Although these items are not rare or will bring in the big bucks to this person, but I thought the reason for selling the items is pretty cute. At least he mentions the puppy chew marks on the pipes, which might have some DNA on it, if he wants to clone his dog someday!

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45610 From: Tim Brown Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: Tracks Ahead
Hi All,

Does anyone on this List have any of the boxed sets of "Tracks Ahead" -
which airs on PBS - on DVD that they do not want anymore and are
willing to sell. I have "Series 6" and find it to be an awesome source
of train sightings, historical RR knowledge, model RR'ing, RR artwork,
etc. I love it and can't get enough of it. I don't care that most of
the model RR segments are not S gauge. A good idea is a good idea and
I don't care what gauge it comes from. I also find that the segments
on prototype are great for cross-knowledge and dovetails nicely with my
National Railway Historical Society membership. In case you don't know
about the NRHS - Google it and do your knowledge a favor.

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45611 From: roy inman Date: 11/5/2007
Subject: Re: Tracks Ahead
Historic Rails sells the complete series of all installments of "Tracks
Ahead."

Roy Inman

From: Tim Brown <Timboy@...>
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:31:52 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Tracks Ahead


Hi All,

Does anyone on this List have any of the boxed sets of "Tracks Ahead" -
which airs on PBS - on DVD that they do not want anymore and are
willing to sell. I have "Series 6" and find it to be an awesome source
of train sightings, historical RR knowledge, model RR'ing, RR artwork,
etc. I love it and can't get enough of it. I don't care that most of
the model RR segments are not S gauge. A good idea is a good idea and
I don't care what gauge it comes from. I also find that the segments
on prototype are great for cross-knowledge and dovetails nicely with my
National Railway Historical Society membership. In case you don't know
about the NRHS - Google it and do your knowledge a favor.

S-Happens,
Tim Brown






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45612 From: Tim Brown Date: 11/6/2007
Subject: Tracks Ahead
Folks,

Just to be crystal clear, I am not advocating anyone copying any DVD or
VHS of the Tracks Ahead series for resell, trade or whatever. Don't do
it!

I just bought an original of the very first year as a VHS on eBay for
about $16.00. I wish they were all available - even as VHS - on the
secondary market. I have no qualms about buying or trading on a
secodary market for an original. After all, within limitations, an
original is your property to dispose of as you see fit. But don't copy
it!

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45613 From: Paul Yorke Date: 11/6/2007
Subject: Chat Room Options
A handful of us are regulars in a Sunday night S-Trains chat.

Several of the chatters had problems with the chat room last Sunday night.

If we can find a better venue I suggest we go there.

Anyone have experience with Meebo.com rooms?
It looks like they offer 'private rooms'.

Any other suggestions? Not all IMs offer a chat room option.
Also we should try to use the most universal platform.

I suggest we test drive any site. For that we need a couple volunteers.
If you are interested in this effort, send me your IM name and info OFF
LIST. (example paulwyorke on Yahoo)

Paul


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45614 From: Tim Brown Date: 11/6/2007
Subject: Re: Tracks Ahead
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
>
> Historic Rails sells the complete series of all installments
of "Tracks
> Ahead."
>
> Roy Inman


Thank you Roy,

That is where I bought "Series 6". My question still stands. Does
anybody on this List have boxed sets they are willing to sell? I would
also be willing to trade for some coveted #2 wood <grin>.

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45615 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 11/6/2007
Subject: Re: Tracks Ahead
Hi Tim,

There is also a special Tracks Ahead DVD titled Great Model Train
Layouts. It features 12 of America's most intricate model
railroads. I have it on order so I can't comment on it yet.

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone on this List have any of the boxed sets of "Tracks
Ahead" -
> which airs on PBS - on DVD that they do not want anymore and are
> willing to sell. I have "Series 6" and find it to be an awesome
source
> of train sightings, historical RR knowledge, model RR'ing, RR
artwork,
> etc. I love it and can't get enough of it. I don't care that
most of
> the model RR segments are not S gauge. A good idea is a good idea
and
> I don't care what gauge it comes from. I also find that the
segments
> on prototype are great for cross-knowledge and dovetails nicely
with my
> National Railway Historical Society membership. In case you don't
know
> about the NRHS - Google it and do your knowledge a favor.
>
> S-Happens,
> Tim Brown
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45616 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 11/6/2007
Subject: Beaver's American Flyer episode, "My Brother's Girl"
I have made 2 DVDs of this
show. The DVDs cost
$14.00 each and the
packaging and shipping
cost $3.00. Please contact
me at: gartrain404@....

I taped the 5:00am show.
It was worth it to see
black & white TV. There is
an operating American Flyer
train layout. This was the
April 1958 show.

Glenn

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45617 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/6/2007
Subject: Re: Chat Room Options
Last Sunday was the worst for me, although problems have
happened in the past.
Can we try the old chat room at Yahoo until another room is found?
Or just stay where we are until a new room is found?

Rick.



A handful of us are regulars in a Sunday night S-Trains chat.

Several of the chatters had problems with the chat room last Sunday night.

If we can find a better venue I suggest we go there.

Anyone have experience with Meebo.com rooms?
It looks like they offer 'private rooms'.

Any other suggestions? Not all IMs offer a chat room option.
Also we should try to use the most universal platform.

I suggest we test drive any site. For that we need a couple volunteers.
If you are interested in this effort, send me your IM name and info OFF
LIST. (example paulwyorke on Yahoo)

Paul


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Enjoy thousands of great photos
at http://S-Scale.org/albums
Yahoo! Groups Links




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45618 From: dphobbies Date: 11/6/2007
Subject: Commercial - New Tank Cars
We are happy to announce that we have received a new shipment of S
Scale America factory assembled 10,000 gal tank cars. They are our
first tank cars to come with American Flyer compatible trucks and
couplers installed and a set of scale wheels included in the box.
It is our intention to do this on all new runs of cars. The paint
schemes are a rerun of the ever popular UTLX Union Tank in six
numbers, an all new Southern Pacific tank in six numbers and all new
Simonin's beautiful orange and black tank in four numbers. All cars
are $44.98 and are in stock for immediate delivery.

For those that have been waiting for these, we thank you for your
patience.

Regards,

Ron Sebastian
Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America
1468 Lee Street
Des Plaines, IL 60018
1-847-297-2118 fax: 1-847-297-4976
Group: S-Trains Message: 45619 From: ken_5556 Date: 11/6/2007
Subject: Re: Tracks Ahead
There is a Vol 8 on VHS on e-Bay.

Check it out.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
>
> I'm probably the last guy around to find this out, but JIC:
> Tracks Ahead, a train show covering a variety of railroad subjects,
from
> prototype to model railroads to bridges, etc., airs on my regional
PBS
> television station( KTWU, channel 11, Topeka, KS) at 8:30 AM
Saturdays.
> The segment this morning covered a traction railroad in Mason City,
IA,
> Henry Flagler (sp), a 12" gauge riding railroad, and other
interesting
> stuff.
> Produced and partially sponsored by Kalmback Publishing.
> http://www.thetrainshow.com/
> Lists three other train related programs.
> Roy Inman
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45620 From: John Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: Model Train Help ebook
I ran across this site that is offering a do-all know-all ebook about
model railroading called Model-Train-Help.com. They have an ebook for
$39.95 that is supposed to have everything you need to know about
model railroading by Robert Anderson. I was just wondering if anyone
had gotten it or knows anything about it. It has a 60 day money back
gauarantee. Thanks

John Frankforther
Group: S-Trains Message: 45621 From: dphobbies@earthlink.net Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: Re: Terrrible
-----Original Message-----
>From: polpolk9 <polpolk9@...>
>Sent: Nov 6, 2007 8:15 PM
>To: dphobbies <dphobbies@...>
>Subject: Terrrible
>
>you should be ashamed you contribute to Asian sklave labor __Made in
>China junk is what you are proud of how about our USA "made in
>USA" I say try try the better BUY original AC Gilbert Flyer better
>than dirty ethics of yours &and dont you respect LIFE?
>

Anyone know who this is? He deserves a considered response about the global society we all share, but I would like to know who he is first.

Regards,
Ron Sebastian
Des Plaines
Group: S-Trains Message: 45622 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: Terrrible
Dear Ron,
You have made the BIG TIME NOW. You have received a Jay Walsh
e-BOMB. I thought Doug Peck and I were the only ones to be so blessed.
I tried the rational approach, then I sent him a Xerox of some AF red
brass HO track with the "MADE IN JAPAN" logo engraved on the bottom of
the roadbed.. Finally, I asked him where his computer and monitor were
made. I get one every time we make an announcement. I know some of his
friends from his younger days in NYC. They tell me he is not doing so
well, almost blind and now confined to his apartment. He has been
banned from all of the S gauge e-groups for his nastygrams. I guess for
a few brain metabolites difference, this could be anyone of us. I do
keep a copy of his lovely correspondence for the police if anything bad
ever happens to me or my family.
Say Hi to Susan and Matt...
Don

dphobbies@... wrote:

>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: polpolk9 <polpolk9@... <mailto:polpolk9%40yahoo.com>>
> >Sent: Nov 6, 2007 8:15 PM
> >To: dphobbies <dphobbies@...
> <mailto:dphobbies%40earthlink.net>>
> >Subject: Terrrible
> >
> >you should be ashamed you contribute to Asian sklave labor __Made in
> >China junk is what you are proud of how about our USA "made in
> >USA" I say try try the better BUY original AC Gilbert Flyer better
> >than dirty ethics of yours &and dont you respect LIFE?
> >
>
> Anyone know who this is? He deserves a considered response about the
> global society we all share, but I would like to know who he is first.
>
> Regards,
> Ron Sebastian
> Des Plaines
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45623 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: Re: Chat Room Options
I, too, had so many problems this past Sunday that I could not stay on
Chat. My name would show up in the right hand column, then vanish,
then reappear, etc. About four tries were required to post a
message, and sometimes it wouldn't work at all.
I got out, went through all my spyware, etc., programs in my
computer to make sure the problem wasn't me. Then I went back to
Chat, only to find out the problem was still there.
This is the worst it's ever been for me. I have had the same
problems before, but not nearly this bad, and the problem would seem
to clear up.
Fortunately, this doesn't happen too often, so I've not been
discuraged from returning to Chat the next week. I'd like to know
just what happens to cause this and why it happens?
I'll be the first to admit that I enjoy the comeradery and "talking"
to all the new friends I've made there. So, whatever the group
decides, I'll go along with it.
Stumpy Stone...speaker, author, craftsman, artist, Master Bull
Sh__ter...from my hidden hillside lair in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45624 From: roy inman Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: Re: Model Train Help ebook
One of my train buddies bought it. It does have lots of good, basic
information. While I am not a modeling guru by any stretch, I have been
around the miniature train scene for a few decades but nonetheless I did
learn some things.

Has lots of scenery making tips, a pretty good section on wiring as I
recall.

IMHO, it is a good general reference for someone just starting out or with
only a little time in the model railroading world.



Roy Inman

From: John <beebear@...>
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:37:53 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Model Train Help ebook


I ran across this site that is offering a do-all know-all ebook about
model railroading called Model-Train-Help.com. They have an ebook for
$39.95 that is supposed to have everything you need to know about
model railroading by Robert Anderson. I was just wondering if anyone
had gotten it or knows anything about it. It has a 60 day money back
gauarantee. Thanks

John Frankforther






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45625 From: Phil K Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: Re: Terrrible
A crank. A troll. A misanthrope. A PITA with a PC.

Welcome to the club. I think the short list would be S-Trains
members who have NOT received one of Jay Walsh's unsolicited
vitriolic brain-dumps.

Phil K

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, dphobbies@... wrote:
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: polpolk9 <polpolk9@...>
> >Sent: Nov 6, 2007 8:15 PM
> >To: dphobbies <dphobbies@...>
> >Subject: Terrrible
> >
> >you should be ashamed you contribute to Asian sklave labor
__Made in
> >China junk is what you are proud of how about our USA "made in
> >USA" I say try try the better BUY original AC Gilbert Flyer
better
> >than dirty ethics of yours &and dont you respect LIFE?
> >
>
> Anyone know who this is? He deserves a considered response about
the global society we all share, but I would like to know who he is
first.
>
> Regards,
> Ron Sebastian
> Des Plaines
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45626 From: Tim Brown Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: Re: Terrrible
Folks,

Just do as I have done. Log directly into your email server from the
web - same as you would do if you were traveling and wanted to check
email from a cyber cafe or hotel. Then take his email address and put
it on your "blocked" list on your email server. It will be deleted at
the server level and you will never see another email from him again.
I did that with Irving Washington as well. True, they can maybe re-
sign to this List under an alias, but let's hope our fearless leader(s)
have a way to spot that - as in IP address, maybe. Otherwise, the best
way to handle them is to treat them as bad dogs; just ignore them.
Believe me, being ignored is a bigger insult than any verbal lashing
you could ever give - but it takes discipline on your part.

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45627 From: Pat Turner Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: 2008 1:64 Scale Calendar
The time has come to plea for more photos for the 2008 1:64 Scale Calendar.

I have gotten a few photos throughout the year. But, now is the time to give a finial call and get the calendar together. It is not too soon to think about photos for the 2009 calendar either!

There is a good chance that if you send in a photo it could be used.

The calendar is open to any 1:64 (S Scale) photo. That means; S standard gauge, Sn3, Sn2, Sn42, Proto: 64, Sn21 7/8". If the photo has track and it is S scale please send it. Sorry, it must be Scale, no Hi-Rail.

Send is as many photos as you like. Bigger is better, 1200 x 1600 pixels at 300dpi is the minimum. 10mb is the max file size for my email server.

If you sent a photo in the past and it did not make it in the calendar you can re-submit it.

There is no theme this year, anything will work.

You can send them to the email address below.

Deadline of Nov. 30th, but sooner is better!

Pat Turner
http://www.TurnerModelWorks.com
TurnerModelWorks@...

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45628 From: Mike Rosz Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: Re: Terrrible
he sells stuff, usually too high for my pocket book.


-----Original Message-----
>From: polpolk9@...>
>Sent: Nov 6, 2007 8:15 PM
>To: dropsies <dropsies@earth link.net>
>Subject: Terrible
>
>you should be ashamed you contribute to Asian slave labor __Made in
>China junk is what you are proud of how about our USA "made in
>USA" I'LL say try the better BUY original AC Giblet Flyer better
>than dirty ethics of yours &and don you respect LIFE?
>

Anyone know who this is? He deserves a considered response about the
global society we all share, but I'LL would like to know who he is first.

Regards,
Ron Sebastian
Des Plainest



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45629 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: Terrrible
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Terrrible


I have gotten emails from both Jay Walsh and Irving Washington.

They just don't go away.

I have learn from others, just to ignore their emails, as they feed on this attention.

By ignoring them, they will realize you are not interested in having a dialoge with them and will in time give up.

Maybe if they acted like normal people they might have some friends in life.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil K
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 12:34 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Terrrible


A crank. A troll. A misanthrope. A PITA with a PC.

Welcome to the club. I think the short list would be S-Trains
members who have NOT received one of Jay Walsh's unsolicited
vitriolic brain-dumps.

Phil K

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, dphobbies@... wrote:
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: polpolk9 <polpolk9@...>
> >Sent: Nov 6, 2007 8:15 PM
> >To: dphobbies <dphobbies@...>
> >Subject: Terrrible
> >
> >you should be ashamed you contribute to Asian sklave labor
__Made in
> >China junk is what you are proud of how about our USA "made in
> >USA" I say try try the better BUY original AC Gilbert Flyer
better
> >than dirty ethics of yours &and dont you respect LIFE?
> >
>
> Anyone know who this is? He deserves a considered response about
the global society we all share, but I would like to know who he is
first.
>
> Regards,
> Ron Sebastian
> Des Plaines
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45630 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: Re: Terrrible
AS you can see from his response he answers himself. Mike Malmer & myself
have also been on his "HIT" list. It was discussed in the past as to what to do
about his "RANTS" for lack of a better term.
To me so far he seems to be harmless, just a bit odd. This is just my
opinion. Mike S.(In Ore)
Group: S-Trains Message: 45631 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: Re: Terrrible PS:
PS: He also has a few other E-Mail address' & names he goes by. Mike S.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45632 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: Terrrible
Mike,
Sorry I spelled your name wrong, but I think I was thinking of
Linda's name in your E-Mail address.
Here's to Jay he's made another fan, Mike COL (Crying out loud) :)
Group: S-Trains Message: 45633 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant Commericalism
On Monday the Christmas cars arrived with all the other TOFC,
standard flatcars and bulkhead flatcars with pipe loads. Most have been
shipped out and should be on our dealer's shelves in the next few days.
The Christmas cars are close to being sold out. We are putting new
orders on a waiting list. The same holds true for the Stuart Tank
loads. Our distributor was not able to completely fill our order.
More information about our cars mentioned here can be found at:

http://www.showcaseline.com/Flatcars/TOFC/tofcs_in_stock.html

http://www.showcaseline.com/Flatcars/FC/fc_in_stock.html

http://www.showcaseline.com/Flatcars/BHFC/bhfc_in_stock.html

Best regards,
Don
Group: S-Trains Message: 45634 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Re: Terrrible
Mike:

I was going to mention that you are in the club too, but I did not want to steal the thunder from you.

Another person who likes to email people with his criticism, is Irving Washington, if that is his real name.

You kind of have to feel sorry for them, as they could use this energy in a more positive way to make friends on this list, like I have done with others.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: anormal1@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Terrrible


AS you can see from his response he answers himself. Mike Malmer & myself
have also been on his "HIT" list. It was discussed in the past as to what to do
about his "RANTS" for lack of a better term.
To me so far he seems to be harmless, just a bit odd. This is just my
opinion. Mike S.(In Ore)




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45635 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Re: Terrrible
May I make a suggestion - if anyone gets email from Jay Walsh just
forward it to Phil as per his message number 43483 dated 02-17-2007
(see below) and don't post anything concerning Jay here. Too many
group members continue to give him "back door" access by discussing
him here.

Thank you,

David Tyner – aka: BG1


Message 43483:

Many of you already are aware of this grave issue. Unfortunately, it
shows no signs of abating -- rather, it seems to be getting worse --
so a message to all members seems necessary. As one of the moderators
(and a frequent target), I gave this issue much thought the last few
days -- and decided failing to address it immediately might cause
some members to quit the group, here it is.

The problem is repeated offensive and derisive emails being sent to
S-Trains members off-line. Many of those who received emails from
this person have become very upset, as the messages are not of the
character we generally expect from fellow group members. Those
affected have chosen to report these incidents offline in order to
not distress others in our group.

Plain and simple, the offender is an obnoxious person and should be
ignored. Please understand this and do not let him or his crazy
ramblings upset you. You are not his only victim, and you did nothing
wrong.

These emails can contain negative comments relating to posts made to
the board. Some of the emails contain deranged, wild accusations that
do not relate to model trains or a post on the board. Many are of a
divisive, hateful political nature. He also has a habit of making
libelous and slanderous statements about Doug Peck of Portlines
Hobbies, a genteel type who is widely considered as one of the most
reputable dealers in the hobby.

These poorly-spelled, void-of-grammar and often unintelligible emails
are originating from an angry former member who was permanently
banned over two years ago for a number of violations of S-Trains
Group rules. He also has been banned -- I assume for similar
reasons -- from Jerry Matsick's "Available S Gauge" Yahoo group.

He thinks he's clever by using several aliases. Among them
are "polpolk9", "AFMoose", "Robert Crotty" and "Jay@yahoo". Some of
you may have purchased items from him as Jay Walsh, his real name.
Somehow he manages to run his emails through a server that changes
his IP address every time he sends an email. However, we have found
another method to trace him.

The suggestion here is to simply ignore him. Block his email. Do not
copy text from his arguments and post it here with a rebuttal,
because that only gives him access to our S-Trains forum "through the
back door." If you feel a need to respond, then do it offline.
Personally, the emails he sends to me do not bother me in the least -
- I am amused at the volume of stupidity they convey.

Thanks for cooperating. While it is disappointing to make this
announcement, I guarantee he's not worth wasting one millisecond of
your valuable time.

Phil K

NOTE: I am gathering a file on Mr. Walsh. Please forward any
offensive emails to me so we can add to our case.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45636 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Re: Need AF track
THNX for the help my friends!

Several responded and a deal is in the works!

Keep in touch!

Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@...
Sn42 and Hn42 Radio Controlled operator
River Logging fan
Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan
Virginian Rwy fan
Bonsai grasshopper
Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana.

----- Original Message -----
From: Donald Munsey Jr.
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 7:42 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Need AF track


Friends,

I need 3 full sections of vintage AF straight track for a halfinch project I'm working on.

Actually I really only need the 6 pieces of AF straight rail. I don't need the track pins, ties, fibre pads, etc.

As long as the rail is structrurally sound and not kinked, I don't care about about a bit of rust or slight bends.

Any help out there? Please contact me at dmunseyjr@... to make arrangements.

Keep in touch!

Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@...
Sn42 and Hn42 Radio Controlled operator
River Logging fan
Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan
Virginian Rwy fan
Bonsai grasshopper
Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45637 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Terrible
This sounds like the same wackop who came after me not long after I
joined this list a few years ago. He went off on me for
kitbashing "collectable" Hartoy trucks. Raged on about poor little
kids in China who made them. I went a few rounds with him and
complained to Paul about him. He went into my "block sender" spot so
I don't hear from him much anymore.
Every once in a while I check the blocked stuff, and there he is,
raging on insanely. No real name ever signed. He comes up as
polppok or something like that.
I try to be a kind, compassionate guy, but there are places with
rubber walls for folks like him.
Stumpy in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45638 From: roy inman Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Re: USKC engine
Hi Don;

It was good to see you at S Fest in St. Louis :) We had met only briefly at
the nation train show in the same city several years ago, but you probably
would not recall that, what with the thousands of people passing by your
display.

Anyway, have several things:

-While riding the MetroLink, I lost my billfold along with the $250 I was
planning to spend at S Fest, mostly with you. So that is why I did not pick
up my two semiphores and a flat as I had planned.

-Will the ATSF F unit, now DC, run on AC? Seems as though we tried it on the
layout and it would not. I still have the AC board you gave us, but I am
meeting some resistance from Ted who is a DC fan, coming as he does from HO
and G gauge.

-Is it possible to screw up the electronics of an AC engine by running it on
DC?

Hope your return trip came off without incident. I know it was a long haul.

Cheers :)

Roy
Group: S-Trains Message: 45639 From: Art Shifrin Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Jay Walsh
Is this the guy who also did / does business as Jan Rechenberg? I'm
referring to the rather heavy person who used to (sublet I suppose) \
space in the downstairs train / hobby store on West 45 Street in
Manhattan. He also apparently sub-let out of a 2nd story train shop
that was diagonally across the street (on the south side).

Shiffy






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45640 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: S-Fest
Hello all,

Thanks to all who made this event possible, club members, patrons and the
like.

See you in Allentown on Saturday.

Fred
Group: S-Trains Message: 45641 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: More info than commercial
Guys and Gals,

THIS weekend is the weekend for the GREAT Allentown Train Meet, in AG HALL on
the Allentown Fairgrounds, in yepper, Allentown, PA. "S" folks would find
Freddy Jester with Flyer parts, many others; including Tom Beil, Chuck Race, Joe
Fisher and myself in the NEW section close to the Snack Bar ("Geedunk" for
you Navy guys). I will have new and "experienced" Flyer track, SHS track,
engines, cars, Arttista figures, Plasticville and "stuff" from the basement. Even
some N, HO & 3 rail for those "Helper Rail" Folks.. If you make it to
Alllentown, be sure to stop by NS-5 & 6 to say "HI" (or whatever else).

Jim "looking for YOU in Allentown" Lyle
Group: S-Trains Message: 45642 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Re: Terrible - LETS STOP THIS THREAD
I suggest we stop this thread. In fact I thought the moderators asked us
too, or was that on the S Scale list?

- Earl Henry, Nashville



************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45643 From: Richard Purnell Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Wanted PA Merchandise
In 1993 South Jersey S Gaugers for the convention had PA Merchandise
Box Cars. These were in kit form from Pacific Rails.
If anyone has any of these they would be willing to part with contact
me off list

Thank You

Dick Purnell

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45644 From: Phil K Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Terrible - LETS STOP THIS THREAD
You're right, Earl, and several messages have already been rejected or
deleted toward reaching that goal.

On the other hand, though, he in the past has caused many members
grief because they received his vitriolic emails and didn't know he
was a professional misanthrope who targets just about everyone who
posts here. Those types of emails can be unnerving to most people.

So now it's been publicized again, and as has been said in the past,
let's not give it any more publicity on the board than it deserves --
none. Ignore the mope.

Phil K

>
> I suggest we stop this thread. In fact I thought the moderators
asked us
> too, or was that on the S Scale list?
>
> - Earl Henry, Nashville
Group: S-Trains Message: 45645 From: Trains Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted PA Merchandise
I think there are several up for auction on ebay within next 7 days, I believe one is an AM models, there also is another maker unknown
Peter Loeb



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45646 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [S-Trains] Re:Terrible - LETS STOP THIS THREAD
I hope Phil K will allow one more post on this subject, as Tim Brown told us on how we can ban emails from our providers internet site.

After being bombarded with these emails from Jay and especially last night again from Irwing Washington, sort of a threatening email, I contacted Verizon about this issue and they guided me through on how to block emails at the web source.

The lady did say someday in the future, once law markers get caught with this new technology, they hope to get a law about harrassing emails, if the reciever has told them to stop. And this will be very easy to take to court, since the emails to and from are in writing on someone's computer.

So, I thank Tim Brown, for pointing this out and maybe this maddness will stop once and for all, for me and hopefully for others, so that we can stop wasting time on subjects like and get back to trains.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45647 From: A. E. Johnson Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Overseas Credit Card Processors
Recently we had a Hobby Shop that was stung badly by fraud from an overseas customer. Today I tried to buy some stuff on line. It turns out that my bank that issued my credit card did not accept the transaction from an overseas processor. How does this work? Why would domestic businesses use a service from overseas?

It sure seems that we Americans that buy imported products and American businesses that use overseas services are cutting our own throats.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45648 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Re: More info than commercial
Thanks for the invite Jim
BUT I won't be able to make
it. Was there much progress
on the layout after I left?

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: WJJIM@...
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; S-scale@yahoogroups.com ; Plasticville@yahoogroups.com ; toytrains@yahoogroups.com ; AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 1:24 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] More info than commercial


Guys and Gals,

THIS weekend is the weekend for the GREAT Allentown Train Meet, in AG HALL on
the Allentown Fairgrounds, in yepper, Allentown, PA. "S" folks would find
Freddy Jester with Flyer parts, many others; including Tom Beil, Chuck Race, Joe
Fisher and myself in the NEW section close to the Snack Bar ("Geedunk" for
you Navy guys). I will have new and "experienced" Flyer track, SHS track,
engines, cars, Arttista figures, Plasticville and "stuff" from the basement. Even
some N, HO & 3 rail for those "Helper Rail" Folks.. If you make it to
Alllentown, be sure to stop by NS-5 & 6 to say "HI" (or whatever else).

Jim "looking for YOU in Allentown" Lyle





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45649 From: Scott Dollinger Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Re: Terrible - LETS STOP THIS THREAD Ps Thanx .....
I appreciate the information on these types of people so that when I get those bad e-mails I can make informed decisions about deleting them..

Thanx to all who educated us on these people's e-mails.

It is nice that they rare the exception to the group.

Scott Dee



-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Phil K
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:48 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Terrible - LETS STOP THIS THREAD



You're right, Earl, and several messages have already been rejected or
deleted toward reaching that goal.

On the other hand, though, he in the past has caused many members
grief because they received his vitriolic emails and didn't know he
was a professional misanthrope who targets just about everyone who
posts here. Those types of emails can be unnerving to most people.

So now it's been publicized again, and as has been said in the past,
let's not give it any more publicity on the board than it deserves --
none. Ignore the mope.

Phil K

>
> I suggest we stop this thread. In fact I thought the moderators
asked us
> too, or was that on the S Scale list?
>
> - Earl Henry, Nashville





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45650 From: Scott Dollinger Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Re: Overseas Credit Card Processors
Several reasons that I have encountered why small business uses overseas
services:



* The commerce world is getting flat (again!) .. Global
commercialization
* Less costly services for credit card transactions.. Small Business
feels squeezed by transaction cost.
* Operating outside US jurisdiction can offer advantages... ie.
possible US tax avoidance
* Increased privacy especially for the above bullet item
* Currency rate exchange may be easier to execute. the US dollar is
doomed to fall rapidly due to US leadership mismanagement



There are others.. But I think you can get an idea..



But don't worry your great society leaders have a plan to fix it all..



Creation of a new currency in this hemisphere so we can spread our out of
control debt over other economies.

Almost went through recently as a follow up to NAFTA.. The peso dollar..
Well I wonder what color it will be..



And after all, all these cheaper services keep inflation down ..

Just look at the cost of housing, transportation (gas), food, medical,
education.. They are all going down raoidly in my life .. Right?



Scott Dee



-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of A. E. Johnson
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 4:36 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Overseas Credit Card Processors



Recently we had a Hobby Shop that was stung badly by fraud from an overseas
customer. Today I tried to buy some stuff on line. It turns out that my bank
that issued my credit card did not accept the transaction from an overseas
processor. How does this work? Why would domestic businesses use a service
from overseas?

It sure seems that we Americans that buy imported products and American
businesses that use overseas services are cutting our own throats.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45651 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Re: More info than commercial
Moving along, plus Paul and Fred are frequently here during the day.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45652 From: omahakid2003 Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Wiring a 314AW Whistle Control Box
After winning a 314AW on Ebay a few months ago, and asking questions on
this list about getting the whistle to work, I finally won a Whistle
Control Box for one, also from Ebay.

It doesn't have any instructions. Can anyone tell me how to wire it, or
point me to a wiring diagram someplace on the internet, to try out the
314AW's whistle?

Through trial and error, I'm sure the control box works. I got it to
make a short, but not make the whistle blow. It has 3 wires coming out
of it, one green and two yellow. One yellow wire is more brownish
yellow, and one yellow wire is a lot longer than the other. The wires
look original, but if they aren't, that probably won't help much.

If anyone can help me out, I will really appreciate it, and I'll let
you know the results.

Mike Vana Omaha, NE.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45653 From: James Harrison Date: 11/9/2007
Subject: 315 Pennsylvania
I have been reading here for a while, mostly to learn more. As a boomer regressing back to my favorite toys, I have started expanding my Flyer toys. Although fairly knowledgeable, I am not familiar with some of the history and nuances to some engines and cars. Thus, I ask for the help of you experts. I recently bought on e-bay a 315 Pennsylvania because it has a horn (I like noise). Since it was produced in 1952, I assumed that it would have a link coupler. When I received it I saw that it had a knuckle coupler and didn't think much of it assuming it to be a conversion. Later, looking at it with more detail, I discovered it is a factory knuckle. At first I thought someone had put a 316 tender with the engine but this tender has American Flyer on the side and 316s have American Flyer Lines. Perhaps someone put the tender on a 316 base but that seems unlikely as there are no signs of tampering. My question to the experts is did Gilbert at the end
of the 1952 run use tenders with knuckle couplers as they transitioned to 1953? Would this engine be sold separetely or be part of a set and if a set, with the cars for 1953? Any answers or speculation would be apprciated. Thanks.

Jim Harrison

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45654 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 11/9/2007
Subject: Re: Wiring a 314AW Whistle Control Box
Mike;

Perhaps this will help,,,, or not, maybe? It's long, read it all,
there are 2 types of control boxes listed.

According to "Complete Service Manual for American Flyer Trains" by K-
line, circa 1978, reprinted 1998, page 161 "instructions for hooking
up and operating the air chime whistle control".....

(I will paraphrase slightly to shorten the length)

First - remove all wires which are now supplying current to the
track....

Connect:

- Black wire from the control box to the base post on transformer
- Red wire from control box to the 7-15 volt post on transformer
- Yellow wire from the control box to the 15 volt post on transformer
- separate Black wire from Base Post on transformer to track clip
terminal
- Green wire from control box to other track clip terminal

I would guess your brownish yellow wire could be red at one time?

The control box mentioned has 4 wires, black, red, yellow, green.

In the trouble shooting section it says the most common reason for it
not working is duplicate wiring from transformer to track. Full
cicuit to track goes.... transformer base post to track and control
(black, 2 wires), green from control to track. Both 15V fixed and 7-
15V variable go to the control box. So essentially the control box
is wired in series to the track.

The only problem for you that I can see is the control box you
describe seems to be missing a wire (black). I hope you didn't get a
standard horn/whistle control box instead of the air chime control.

The picture shows a top view of a control box with a 4 prong plug for
the sound generator to plug into, and a single push button, with the
mentioned 4 wires.

On page 165 there is reference to an "electronic whistle control box"

This one shows a top view of a box with what appears to be 6 buttons
or lights maybe across the top, and twist lever that looks to rotate
down / left 90 degrees. It has 3 wires out of it, as follows:

Connect:
- Red from control box to 7-15V post on transformer
- Black from control box to the Base post on transformer
- Yellow from the control box to the track clip terminal (base)
- separate wire from 7-15V post on transformer to other track clip
terminal.

This version of the control box has 3 wires, but none of them are
green, and it has no plug in for the sound generator, it must be
inside the box.

hope this doesn't leave you too much head stratching. I've never
seen either the air chime or this "electronic" whiz bang, so that's
about all I do with what I got here.

cheers
phil d



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "omahakid2003" <amflyer@...> wrote:
>
> After winning a 314AW on Ebay a few months ago, and asking
questions on
> this list about getting the whistle to work, I finally won a
Whistle
> Control Box for one, also from Ebay.
>
> It doesn't have any instructions. Can anyone tell me how to wire
it, or
> point me to a wiring diagram someplace on the internet, to try out
the
> 314AW's whistle?
>
> Through trial and error, I'm sure the control box works. I got it
to
> make a short, but not make the whistle blow. It has 3 wires coming
out
> of it, one green and two yellow. One yellow wire is more brownish
> yellow, and one yellow wire is a lot longer than the other. The
wires
> look original, but if they aren't, that probably won't help much.
>
> If anyone can help me out, I will really appreciate it, and I'll
let
> you know the results.
>
> Mike Vana Omaha, NE.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45655 From: Larry Moore Date: 11/9/2007
Subject: Re: 315 Pennsylvania
Jim, To get you started on answering your question, go to the following: www.rfgco.com . Look on the left and click on steam engine specs. This will tell how the engines should have been configured when produced. I have a 315 at home and being at work I can't remember whether it is link or knuckle. According to the specs link was original on the 315. 315 was also part of a set. I will give you set number and consist #'s later when I get home. Hope this helps. Larry Moore


To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: aksarbenskeeter@...: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:44:44 -0800Subject: [S-Trains] 315 Pennsylvania




I have been reading here for a while, mostly to learn more. As a boomer regressing back to my favorite toys, I have started expanding my Flyer toys. Although fairly knowledgeable, I am not familiar with some of the history and nuances to some engines and cars. Thus, I ask for the help of you experts. I recently bought on e-bay a 315 Pennsylvania because it has a horn (I like noise). Since it was produced in 1952, I assumed that it would have a link coupler. When I received it I saw that it had a knuckle coupler and didn't think much of it assuming it to be a conversion. Later, looking at it with more detail, I discovered it is a factory knuckle. At first I thought someone had put a 316 tender with the engine but this tender has American Flyer on the side and 316s have American Flyer Lines. Perhaps someone put the tender on a 316 base but that seems unlikely as there are no signs of tampering. My question to the experts is did Gilbert at the endof the 1952 run use tenders with knuckle couplers as they transitioned to 1953? Would this engine be sold separetely or be part of a set and if a set, with the cars for 1953? Any answers or speculation would be apprciated. Thanks.Jim Harrison__________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45656 From: James Harrison Date: 11/9/2007
Subject: Re: 315 Pennsylvania
Larry, Thanks. Assuming that RFG is correct (as well as Doyle), the 315 was without a horn. As RFG indicates, there is no pullmore on my 315 engine which suggests that a 316 tender base must have been fitted with the 315 tender. Interestingly, however, the 1952 catalog (p. 10-11) shows there is a horn in the 315 set of 5204W and it is shown as being sold separately (p. 18). The Service Manual by K-Line on p. 52-54 shows trucks without a slide but it appears on the 316 blow up diagram. Although I know Doyle can be unreliable in instances, his picture of a 315 shows a link coupler and makes no mention in his description of a whistle. Seems this might have been kitbashed instead of just an end of production change. Oh well, I am pleased with the engine as it is. Thanks for the help.

Jim

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To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com; aksarbenskeeter@...
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 4:13:16 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 315 Pennsylvania

Jim, To get you started on answering your question, go to the following: www.rfgco.com . Look on the left and click on steam engine specs. This will tell how the engines should have been configured when produced. I have a 315 at home and being at work I can't remember whether it is link or knuckle. According to the specs link was original on the 315. 315 was also part of a set. I will give you set number and consist #'s later when I get home. Hope this helps. Larry Moore

To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.comFrom: aksarbenskeeter@ yahoo.comDate: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:44:44 -0800Subject: [S-Trains] 315 Pennsylvania

I have been reading here for a while, mostly to learn more. As a boomer regressing back to my favorite toys, I have started expanding my Flyer toys. Although fairly knowledgeable, I am not familiar with some of the history and nuances to some engines and cars. Thus, I ask for the help of you experts. I recently bought on e-bay a 315 Pennsylvania because it has a horn (I like noise). Since it was produced in 1952, I assumed that it would have a link coupler. When I received it I saw that it had a knuckle coupler and didn't think much of it assuming it to be a conversion. Later, looking at it with more detail, I discovered it is a factory knuckle. At first I thought someone had put a 316 tender with the engine but this tender has American Flyer on the side and 316s have American Flyer Lines. Perhaps someone put the tender on a 316 base but that seems unlikely as there are no signs of tampering. My question to the experts is did Gilbert at the endof the
1952 run use tenders with knuckle couplers as they transitioned to 1953? Would this engine be sold separetely or be part of a set and if a set, with the cars for 1953? Any answers or speculation would be apprciated. Thanks.Jim Harrison____ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45657 From: Larry Moore Date: 11/9/2007
Subject: Re: 315 Pennsylvania
Jim, My 315 also has a horn and link coupler. It appears that we both may have a 315 from the '52 cat set. My tender seems to be all original, with the speaker. Another Gilbert variation, as I too am educating myself on Flyer and all the differences that seem to exist. Got my original set in '52 and dug it out about 4 yrs ago and have now acquired a fair collection. Thanks, Larry


To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: aksarbenskeeter@...: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 17:17:56 -0800Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 315 Pennsylvania




Larry, Thanks. Assuming that RFG is correct (as well as Doyle), the 315 was without a horn. As RFG indicates, there is no pullmore on my 315 engine which suggests that a 316 tender base must have been fitted with the 315 tender. Interestingly, however, the 1952 catalog (p. 10-11) shows there is a horn in the 315 set of 5204W and it is shown as being sold separately (p. 18). The Service Manual by K-Line on p. 52-54 shows trucks without a slide but it appears on the 316 blow up diagram. Although I know Doyle can be unreliable in instances, his picture of a 315 shows a link coupler and makes no mention in his description of a whistle. Seems this might have been kitbashed instead of just an end of production change. Oh well, I am pleased with the engine as it is. Thanks for the help.Jim----- Original Message ----From: Larry Moore <mo2337@...>To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com; aksarbenskeeter@...: Friday, November 9, 2007 4:13:16 PMSubject: RE: [S-Trains] 315 PennsylvaniaJim, To get you started on answering your question, go to the following: www.rfgco.com . Look on the left and click on steam engine specs. This will tell how the engines should have been configured when produced. I have a 315 at home and being at work I can't remember whether it is link or knuckle. According to the specs link was original on the 315. 315 was also part of a set. I will give you set number and consist #'s later when I get home. Hope this helps. Larry MooreTo: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.comFrom: aksarbenskeeter@ yahoo.comDate: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:44:44 -0800Subject: [S-Trains] 315 PennsylvaniaI have been reading here for a while, mostly to learn more. As a boomer regressing back to my favorite toys, I have started expanding my Flyer toys. Although fairly knowledgeable, I am not familiar with some of the history and nuances to some engines and cars. Thus, I ask for the help of you experts. I recently bought on e-bay a 315 Pennsylvania because it has a horn (I like noise). Since it was produced in 1952, I assumed that it would have a link coupler. When I received it I saw that it had a knuckle coupler and didn't think much of it assuming it to be a conversion. Later, looking at it with more detail, I discovered it is a factory knuckle. At first I thought someone had put a 316 tender with the engine but this tender has American Flyer on the side and 316s have American Flyer Lines. Perhaps someone put the tender on a 316 base but that seems unlikely as there are no signs of tampering. My question to the experts is did Gilbert at the endof the1952 run use tenders with knuckle couplers as they transitioned to 1953? Would this engine be sold separetely or be part of a set and if a set, with the cars for 1953? Any answers or speculation would be apprciated. Thanks.Jim Harrison____ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power.http://club. live.com/ star_shuffle. aspx?icid= starshuffle_ wlmailtextlink_ oct[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]__________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45658 From: hobo47203 Date: 11/9/2007
Subject: The 4th Annual Indianapolis S Show is next Saturday!
Just a reminder one and all are invited to attend the 4th Annual
Indianapolis S Show this coming Saturday, November 17th from 10 until 3
pm! Once again the Hoosier S Gaugers will be hosting the the
Indianapolis S Show at the Carmel Lions Club House at 141 East Main
Street in downtown Carmel, Indiana. The Show will feature dealer
tables, 2 clinics, door prizes and 2 operating layouts and admission is
still only $5. Canteen service will be available by Miss Barbara
featuring the famous 40 foot scale hot dog! If possible arrvie on
Friday evening and attend the popular night before the Show tradition
the Bring & Brag Session and Dinner at Shapiro's Restaurant in Carmel.
It's always a night of great food, good friends, conversation and some
great modeling projects. For more information contact Charles
Malinowski at 317 566-1748or by email at bmry1905@.... Come and enjoy
some Hoosier Hospitality in S Scale.

Bob Morrison
Hoosier s Gaugers
Columbus, Indiana
Group: S-Trains Message: 45659 From: Bill Frazier Date: 11/9/2007
Subject: Wiring a 314AW Whistle Control Box
There should be three wires coming from the controller, white, yellow and green.
The white one goes to the variable post on the transformer, the yellow to the fixed post, and the green to the track.
A seperate black wire goes from the base post to the other rail.
Note that there is no direct connection between the variable post and the track.
Hope this helps,

Bill Frazier


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45660 From: clayton deich Date: 11/10/2007
Subject: Re: Wiring a 314AW Whistle Control Box
Hi, also the variable power must be on to get the
whistle to blow. The variable that drives the train
also runs the motor in the tender. The power set at
full out will give you the best sound.

Clayton S D
--- Bill Frazier <bilfrazier@...> wrote:

> There should be three wires coming from the
> controller, white, yellow and green.
> The white one goes to the variable post on the
> transformer, the yellow to the fixed post, and the
> green to the track.
> A seperate black wire goes from the base post to
> the other rail.
> Note that there is no direct connection between
> the variable post and the track.
> Hope this helps,
>
> Bill Frazier
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45661 From: Timboy Date: 11/10/2007
Subject: Re: Wood-Done
Mike,

I don't believe you have posted pics of your table construction in
our photo section yet. You sent me a couple pics offlist. I think
your construction is sound and others could benefit from seeing the
framework you built.

I also believe you "are on the right track" with your idea of buying
an all new track system to run an S-Helper roster on. It appears
that your vintage "collection" is too valuable to retrofit to DCC,
etc. My Flyer pieces were junk anyway to start with, so no loss. Be
wary of buying any American Models, Flyonel or Scenery Unlimited
pieces sight unseen. I would only do so if I could examine the piece
and see them operate first or accept the endorsement of a particular
piece from a knowledgeable member of this List who has done some
testing on them. An exception is the American Models Budd Passenger
Cars. If I heard correctly, they bought the manufacturing rights to
them from S-Helper, which would account for that diamond, IMHO. If
you use the American S Gauge track system, you should have no problem
running anything from S-Helper. However, you will most likely
experience a huge problem with the American S Gauge switches if you
try to run vintage diesels or even vintage steamers with pick-up
shoes. I certainly experienced that problem, which is why I made a
post to that effect a year or so ago and decided not to go with
American S Gauge switches, although I love their flex track.

Again, I encourage you to post pics of your progress.

Regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45662 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/10/2007
Subject: Link/knuckle couplers
***(((My question to the experts is did Gilbert at the endof the1952 run use tenders with knuckle couplers as they transitioned to 1953? )))****

Some lower end sets still had link couplers in '53.
My #282 loco (Mountaineer set) came with a link coupler, though my dad switched
it to a knuckle.

Rick.










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Group: S-Trains Message: 45663 From: Russ Dondero Date: 11/10/2007
Subject: Re: Commercial - New Tank Cars
What color scheme does the SP tank car have?

--- dphobbies <dphobbies@...> wrote:

> We are happy to announce that we have received a new
> shipment of S
> Scale America factory assembled 10,000 gal tank
> cars. They are our
> first tank cars to come with American Flyer
> compatible trucks and
> couplers installed and a set of scale wheels
> included in the box.
> It is our intention to do this on all new runs of
> cars. The paint
> schemes are a rerun of the ever popular UTLX Union
> Tank in six
> numbers, an all new Southern Pacific tank in six
> numbers and all new
> Simonin's beautiful orange and black tank in four
> numbers. All cars
> are $44.98 and are in stock for immediate delivery.
>
> For those that have been waiting for these, we thank
> you for your
> patience.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ron Sebastian
> Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America
> 1468 Lee Street
> Des Plaines, IL 60018
> 1-847-297-2118 fax: 1-847-297-4976
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45664 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/10/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM][S-Trains] Re: Wood-Done
Thanks Tim.

I will send you some pictures of the progress from the beginning.

I hope I have no problems with the switches.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Timboy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:03 AM
Subject: [SPAM][S-Trains] Re: Wood-Done


Mike,

I don't believe you have posted pics of your table construction in
our photo section yet. You sent me a couple pics offlist. I think
your construction is sound and others could benefit from seeing the
framework you built.

I also believe you "are on the right track" with your idea of buying
an all new track system to run an S-Helper roster on. It appears
that your vintage "collection" is too valuable to retrofit to DCC,
etc. My Flyer pieces were junk anyway to start with, so no loss. Be
wary of buying any American Models, Flyonel or Scenery Unlimited
pieces sight unseen. I would only do so if I could examine the piece
and see them operate first or accept the endorsement of a particular
piece from a knowledgeable member of this List who has done some
testing on them. An exception is the American Models Budd Passenger
Cars. If I heard correctly, they bought the manufacturing rights to
them from S-Helper, which would account for that diamond, IMHO. If
you use the American S Gauge track system, you should have no problem
running anything from S-Helper. However, you will most likely
experience a huge problem with the American S Gauge switches if you
try to run vintage diesels or even vintage steamers with pick-up
shoes. I certainly experienced that problem, which is why I made a
post to that effect a year or so ago and decided not to go with
American S Gauge switches, although I love their flex track.

Again, I encourage you to post pics of your progress.

Regards,
Tim Brown






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45665 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/10/2007
Subject: Re: Commercial - New Tank Cars
Dear Russ,
Black car with white lettering and with a white diamond on the dome
and a black "S" in the middle of the diamond. I believe these are SP
fuel cars.
Don

Russ Dondero wrote:

>
> What color scheme does the SP tank car have?
>
> --- dphobbies <dphobbies@...
> <mailto:dphobbies%40earthlink.net>> wrote:
>
> > We are happy to announce that we have received a new
> > shipment of S
> > Scale America factory assembled 10,000 gal tank
> > cars. They are our
> > first tank cars to come with American Flyer
> > compatible trucks and
> > couplers installed and a set of scale wheels
> > included in the box.
> > It is our intention to do this on all new runs of
> > cars. The paint
> > schemes are a rerun of the ever popular UTLX Union
> > Tank in six
> > numbers, an all new Southern Pacific tank in six
> > numbers and all new
> > Simonin's beautiful orange and black tank in four
> > numbers. All cars
> > are $44.98 and are in stock for immediate delivery.
> >
> > For those that have been waiting for these, we thank
> > you for your
> > patience.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ron Sebastian
> > Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America
> > 1468 Lee Street
> > Des Plaines, IL 60018
> > 1-847-297-2118 fax: 1-847-297-4976
> >
> >
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45667 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/10/2007
Subject: Train Table Progress
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d

I have posted pictures of my work on my train table.

I don't have a clue on what I am doing, but I am following the directions in a Lynn Wescott book.

You can see my progress from start, where the wood is on the floor like how it will be, to where I am now, with several sheets of plywood down.

I am also adding a wood border to the table, which is going down fine.

I built on of these back in 1970.

I got the wood at a local lumber/hardware store in Damascus, MD and I am very pleased with the service I got. The pricing is competitive with Home Depot, as they got the wood for me.

I had the big pieces of wood, legs, joists and girder pieces pre-cut for me. The braces and cleats, the pieces of wood that hold down the plywood I cut with my plastic miter box. I used a drill and a old fashion Phillips screw driver. No power screw driver.

Once the table framing was done, I then got the plywood, as I had them cut if for me. The table top will be 12 feet 6 inches by 8 feet 9 inches. Once the plywood that I got is down, I them need to get the plywood for the 8 feet 9 inches, 12 feet 6 inches and a 1 foot x 3 foot table area for the controls, by the clock area. I will have that cut from another piece of plywood.

The clock on the wall is a AF Neon Clock that I got at my first York in 1992 from Great Traditions in PA, I believe. There is a AF ad below that from 1949, where a hopper 632 is green in color. I guess they felt gray would not be good marketing. I wonder how many notice or cared that the car was not green when they got the set.

I will post more photo's as progress is made.

Mike Marmer



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45668 From: lne1957 Date: 11/10/2007
Subject: An open invite for coffee and stuff
I will be hosting a "Coffee" for S Scalers the week end of December
14, 15 & 16 in Johnson City, Tennessee.

The plans for this event are far from complete. At this time the
following activities are planned:

Friday evening - Greet and meet - Location and time to be
announced.
Saturday
9:00 AM ETSU Campus - Social and private opening of
George L. Carter Train Museum. Includes Mountain Empire Modular
Railroaders HO layout, the Bankus N layout and the McKee G layout
plus static showcase exhibits. Coffee, soft drinks, water and
donuts will be provided.
10:30 AM ETSU Campus, Brown Hall Science Building,
Room 312 - General Discussion - Vendor Exhibits, etc. S scale
vendors should contact me for set up arrangements.
12:00 Lunch Break - Burger King and student center are
on campus. Ruby Tuesdays, Wendys, Wellingtons, Pals and Back Yard
Burgers within walking distance. Those driving in on Saturday may
want to visit the Carter Museum at this time.
12:45 PM - ETSU Room 312 -Clinic - Presenter and topic
to be announced.
2:00 PM - Railroad Tour - Sites in JC & Erwin to be
developed.
6:00 PM - Dinner, Show & Tell, Presentation - Location &
presenter to be announced.
Sunday 1:30 PM Doe River Gorge - Hampton, TN - Excursion over
ET&WNC's narrow gauge tracks. Great trip with two tunnels. Meet at
1:00 PM and carpool to Hampton from ETSU's parking lot. Advance
first come first ride reservations of $10.00/ea required. Mail by
12/01/07 to: Gary Cameron, 300 Hillside Road, Johnson City, TN
37601


For those coming in on Friday, I will try to obtain some special
hotel rates and a suite or lounge type area to gather in.

There is no cost for this event but I would appreciate it if you
would let me know if you are coming so that I can make timely
adjustments for the size of the group. I would also appreciate
donations to the Model Train Center to help offset my costs. Any
comments on what to include in this and future events and your input
on how often S scalers in the SE would like to hold something
similar to this event (quarterly, semi-annually) possibly rotating
to different cities (Nashville, Atlanta, Oak Ridge, Ashville,etc.).

Gary Cameron
423/929-3667 (Johnson City) 865/717-0000 (Kingston)
Group: S-Trains Message: 45669 From: Timboy Date: 11/11/2007
Subject: Re: Train Table Progress
Hi Mike,

Thanks for the pics in your album. Nice table! Good, solid, handsome
construction. It should serve you well. That's a beautiful room, so
maybe after all is said & done, some type of cloth table skirting would
finish it off nicely. Anyway, you'll have hours of fun building and
hours of fun running. Keep up the good work!

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45670 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/11/2007
Subject: Re: Train Table Progress
Dear Mike,
Did Lynn mention "L" girder anywhere in his book?
Best regards,
Don

MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote:

>
> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d
> <http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d>
>
> I have posted pictures of my work on my train table.
>
> I don't have a clue on what I am doing, but I am following the
> directions in a Lynn Wescott book.
>
> You can see my progress from start, where the wood is on the floor
> like how it will be, to where I am now, with several sheets of plywood
> down.
>
> I am also adding a wood border to the table, which is going down fine.
>
> I built on of these back in 1970.
>
> I got the wood at a local lumber/hardware store in Damascus, MD and I
> am very pleased with the service I got. The pricing is competitive
> with Home Depot, as they got the wood for me.
>
> I had the big pieces of wood, legs, joists and girder pieces pre-cut
> for me. The braces and cleats, the pieces of wood that hold down the
> plywood I cut with my plastic miter box. I used a drill and a old
> fashion Phillips screw driver. No power screw driver.
>
> Once the table framing was done, I then got the plywood, as I had them
> cut if for me. The table top will be 12 feet 6 inches by 8 feet 9
> inches. Once the plywood that I got is down, I them need to get the
> plywood for the 8 feet 9 inches, 12 feet 6 inches and a 1 foot x 3
> foot table area for the controls, by the clock area. I will have that
> cut from another piece of plywood.
>
> The clock on the wall is a AF Neon Clock that I got at my first York
> in 1992 from Great Traditions in PA, I believe. There is a AF ad below
> that from 1949, where a hopper 632 is green in color. I guess they
> felt gray would not be good marketing. I wonder how many notice or
> cared that the car was not green when they got the set.
>
> I will post more photo's as progress is made.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45671 From: Timboy Date: 11/11/2007
Subject: Tim Brown's Work-In-Progress
Hi Folks,

I posted three more pics in the photo section that show various
stages of a project I am completing. Here is a link:

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/bc2b

In case the link doesn't work, just go to the photos section, then
all the way to the end of it and back up to "Tim Brown's Work In
Progress".

I'm connecting my mainline #1 with a common
arrival/departure/staging track for all three of my yards. The pics
show hand-laid track and home-made switches using ACG rails. I still
have the frogs to make and let in. All my frogs are electrified,
using Blue Point controllers, mounted under the table, with push/pull
rods to activate. There is still a lot to do; soldering track
sections, painting rail sides, filing joints down smooth, installing
switch frogs, laying down more ties and rails. These switches work
out to about a 27" radius and will be used to bring in a mainline
loco to haul a train around that has been cobbled up using a yard
goat. The long spur under construction will either be a pocket for
that yard switcher, or a storage area for all my action cars I am
hopeful of converting to DCC operation. Most all of my other home-
made switches are about a 36" radius or so. My goal is to replace
all the rest of the toy switches and tracks with home-made and hand-
laid ones. I'm doing it this way because I have so much vintage
track and to keep the whole RR Flyer-based as much as I can.

Please don't hesitate to comment if you spot something I have over-
looked.

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45672 From: Larry Moore Date: 11/11/2007
Subject: Re: An open invite for coffee and stuff
Gary, I am glad to hear that another "S" Gauger lives fairly close to me. My name is Larry Moore and I live just over the hill from you just north of Weaverville,NC near Mars Hill. I would be interested in attending your week-end get together. Do you have anyone helping you with this? If I can help, please let me know. I collect and restore "post -war "American Flyer". I have several pieces that I have restored that might make for a nice display and seminar on restoring tips and painting. Contact me off-line, I can send you some pictures of my work, if you might consider this. Contact me anyway if I can help with anything else. Thanks, Larry (phone # 828-775 3806)


To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: schallj@...: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 03:05:42 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] An open invite for coffee and stuff




I will be hosting a "Coffee" for S Scalers the week end of December 14, 15 & 16 in Johnson City, Tennessee. The plans for this event are far from complete. At this time the following activities are planned: Friday evening - Greet and meet - Location and time to be announced. Saturday 9:00 AM ETSU Campus - Social and private opening of George L. Carter Train Museum. Includes Mountain Empire Modular Railroaders HO layout, the Bankus N layout and the McKee G layout plus static showcase exhibits. Coffee, soft drinks, water and donuts will be provided. 10:30 AM ETSU Campus, Brown Hall Science Building, Room 312 - General Discussion - Vendor Exhibits, etc. S scale vendors should contact me for set up arrangements. 12:00 Lunch Break - Burger King and student center are on campus. Ruby Tuesdays, Wendys, Wellingtons, Pals and Back Yard Burgers within walking distance. Those driving in on Saturday may want to visit the Carter Museum at this time. 12:45 PM - ETSU Room 312 -Clinic - Presenter and topic to be announced. 2:00 PM - Railroad Tour - Sites in JC & Erwin to be developed. 6:00 PM - Dinner, Show & Tell, Presentation - Location & presenter to be announced. Sunday 1:30 PM Doe River Gorge - Hampton, TN - Excursion over ET&WNC's narrow gauge tracks. Great trip with two tunnels. Meet at 1:00 PM and carpool to Hampton from ETSU's parking lot. Advance first come first ride reservations of $10.00/ea required. Mail by 12/01/07 to: Gary Cameron, 300 Hillside Road, Johnson City, TN 37601 For those coming in on Friday, I will try to obtain some special hotel rates and a suite or lounge type area to gather in. There is no cost for this event but I would appreciate it if you would let me know if you are coming so that I can make timely adjustments for the size of the group. I would also appreciate donations to the Model Train Center to help offset my costs. Any comments on what to include in this and future events and your input on how often S scalers in the SE would like to hold something similar to this event (quarterly, semi-annually) possibly rotating to different cities (Nashville, Atlanta, Oak Ridge, Ashville,etc.). Gary Cameron 423/929-3667 (Johnson City) 865/717-0000 (Kingston)






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Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/11/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45674 From: Lee Johnson Date: 11/11/2007
Subject: Re: Commercial - New Tank Cars
The white diamond with the a black "S" in the diamond represents the car is
used for transporting sugar. These were not used in fuel service.

Lee Johnson


on 11/10/07 2:50 PM, Don Thompson at don@... wrote:

Dear Russ,
Black car with white lettering and with a white diamond on the dome
and a black "S" in the middle of the diamond. I believe these are SP
fuel cars.
Don

Russ Dondero wrote:

>
> What color scheme does the SP tank car have?



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45675 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/11/2007
Subject: Re: Train Table Progress
Don,

Long day of table building and a concert tonight also.

This was in a book "The HO Railroad that Grows".

I can scan the instructions for you if you like.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 5:03 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train Table Progress


Dear Mike,
Did Lynn mention "L" girder anywhere in his book?
Best regards,
Don

MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote:

>
> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d
> <http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d>
>
> I have posted pictures of my work on my train table.
>
> I don't have a clue on what I am doing, but I am following the
> directions in a Lynn Wescott book.
>
> You can see my progress from start, where the wood is on the floor
> like how it will be, to where I am now, with several sheets of plywood
> down.
>
> I am also adding a wood border to the table, which is going down fine.
>
> I built on of these back in 1970.
>
> I got the wood at a local lumber/hardware store in Damascus, MD and I
> am very pleased with the service I got. The pricing is competitive
> with Home Depot, as they got the wood for me.
>
> I had the big pieces of wood, legs, joists and girder pieces pre-cut
> for me. The braces and cleats, the pieces of wood that hold down the
> plywood I cut with my plastic miter box. I used a drill and a old
> fashion Phillips screw driver. No power screw driver.
>
> Once the table framing was done, I then got the plywood, as I had them
> cut if for me. The table top will be 12 feet 6 inches by 8 feet 9
> inches. Once the plywood that I got is down, I them need to get the
> plywood for the 8 feet 9 inches, 12 feet 6 inches and a 1 foot x 3
> foot table area for the controls, by the clock area. I will have that
> cut from another piece of plywood.
>
> The clock on the wall is a AF Neon Clock that I got at my first York
> in 1992 from Great Traditions in PA, I believe. There is a AF ad below
> that from 1949, where a hopper 632 is green in color. I guess they
> felt gray would not be good marketing. I wonder how many notice or
> cared that the car was not green when they got the set.
>
> I will post more photo's as progress is made.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45676 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/11/2007
Subject: Re: Train Table Progress
Thanks Tim.

A long day, of adjusting a joist for the pop up part of the table. I just got back from a concert, Richard Shindell, that no one has heard of I am sure, but I will post more pictures tomorrow, of the adjustment to the joist for the pop section.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Timboy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 7:18 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train Table Progress


Hi Mike,

Thanks for the pics in your album. Nice table! Good, solid, handsome
construction. It should serve you well. That's a beautiful room, so
maybe after all is said & done, some type of cloth table skirting would
finish it off nicely. Anyway, you'll have hours of fun building and
hours of fun running. Keep up the good work!

S-Happens,
Tim Brown





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45677 From: velapoldi Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: Train Table Progress
Hi Mike:
Don might be referring to the use of L girder construction for your
second course of stringers. You have used it on the first course (it
looks like), and then instead of having to put blocks down to tie into
the plywood, you could have used the 'L' girder to screw into the
plywood from the bottom.

Also, when you are working under the table, you might get and use a
"head light" made up with led's - they have some available now that have
a band that goes around your head, two small batteries to power the
led's, and they give a lot of light where you are looking. I got one as
a gift, but it wasn't one of the brighter ones, so is of questionable
use. Some of the cross country skiers use them here also when they are
skiing at night if the lighted paths aren't bright enough. There are
several types, some brighter than others. Don't know where you could
get them in the States, but if you are going to do wiring, etc.
underneath (oh aching backs), it might help rather than use of other
types of light that have to be moved, etc.
regards,
Rance


Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:
>
> Don,
>
> Long day of table building and a concert tonight also.
>
> This was in a book "The HO Railroad that Grows".
>
> I can scan the instructions for you if you like.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Thompson
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 5:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train Table Progress
>
> Dear Mike,
> Did Lynn mention "L" girder anywhere in his book?
> Best regards,
> Don
>
> MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote:
>
> >
> > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d
> <http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d>
> > <http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d
> <http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d>>
> >
> > I have posted pictures of my work on my train table.
> >
> > I don't have a clue on what I am doing, but I am following the
> > directions in a Lynn Wescott book.
> >
> > You can see my progress from start, where the wood is on the floor
> > like how it will be, to where I am now, with several sheets of plywood
> > down.
> >
> > I am also adding a wood border to the table, which is going down fine.
> >
> > I built on of these back in 1970.
> >
> > I got the wood at a local lumber/hardware store in Damascus, MD and I
> > am very pleased with the service I got. The pricing is competitive
> > with Home Depot, as they got the wood for me.
> >
> > I had the big pieces of wood, legs, joists and girder pieces pre-cut
> > for me. The braces and cleats, the pieces of wood that hold down the
> > plywood I cut with my plastic miter box. I used a drill and a old
> > fashion Phillips screw driver. No power screw driver.
> >
> > Once the table framing was done, I then got the plywood, as I had them
> > cut if for me. The table top will be 12 feet 6 inches by 8 feet 9
> > inches. Once the plywood that I got is down, I them need to get the
> > plywood for the 8 feet 9 inches, 12 feet 6 inches and a 1 foot x 3
> > foot table area for the controls, by the clock area. I will have that
> > cut from another piece of plywood.
> >
> > The clock on the wall is a AF Neon Clock that I got at my first York
> > in 1992 from Great Traditions in PA, I believe. There is a AF ad below
> > that from 1949, where a hopper 632 is green in color. I guess they
> > felt gray would not be good marketing. I wonder how many notice or
> > cared that the car was not green when they got the set.
> >
> > I will post more photo's as progress is made.
> >
> > Mike Marmer
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45678 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: Train Table Progress
Dear Mike,
No need, but thank you for the offer. I saw your use of 2X4s and knew
that Lynn was a big proponet of the "L" girder which used 1" lumber. It
is a bit more work, but weigh less and tends not to bow. I was curious
if it was mentioned in his book.
Looking forward to more images.
Best,
Don

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

> Don,
>
> Long day of table building and a concert tonight also.
>
> This was in a book "The HO Railroad that Grows".
>
> I can scan the instructions for you if you like.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Thompson
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 5:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train Table Progress
>
> Dear Mike,
> Did Lynn mention "L" girder anywhere in his book?
> Best regards,
> Don
>
> MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote:
>
> >
> > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d
> <http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d>
> > <http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d
> <http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d>>
> >
> > I have posted pictures of my work on my train table.
> >
> > I don't have a clue on what I am doing, but I am following the
> > directions in a Lynn Wescott book.
> >
> > You can see my progress from start, where the wood is on the floor
> > like how it will be, to where I am now, with several sheets of plywood
> > down.
> >
> > I am also adding a wood border to the table, which is going down fine.
> >
> > I built on of these back in 1970.
> >
> > I got the wood at a local lumber/hardware store in Damascus, MD and I
> > am very pleased with the service I got. The pricing is competitive
> > with Home Depot, as they got the wood for me.
> >
> > I had the big pieces of wood, legs, joists and girder pieces pre-cut
> > for me. The braces and cleats, the pieces of wood that hold down the
> > plywood I cut with my plastic miter box. I used a drill and a old
> > fashion Phillips screw driver. No power screw driver.
> >
> > Once the table framing was done, I then got the plywood, as I had them
> > cut if for me. The table top will be 12 feet 6 inches by 8 feet 9
> > inches. Once the plywood that I got is down, I them need to get the
> > plywood for the 8 feet 9 inches, 12 feet 6 inches and a 1 foot x 3
> > foot table area for the controls, by the clock area. I will have that
> > cut from another piece of plywood.
> >
> > The clock on the wall is a AF Neon Clock that I got at my first York
> > in 1992 from Great Traditions in PA, I believe. There is a AF ad below
> > that from 1949, where a hopper 632 is green in color. I guess they
> > felt gray would not be good marketing. I wonder how many notice or
> > cared that the car was not green when they got the set.
> >
> > I will post more photo's as progress is made.
> >
> > Mike Marmer
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45679 From: Timboy Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: Train Table Progress
Hi Rance,

The use of a lighted headband is a good idea. Wish I would have
thought of it 6 years ago!!!!!

I have solved the problem of wiring under a train table. I use a good-
quality automobile mechanic's creeper. Jeepers, it sure helps a
lot!!! I can just lay there on it, with wire nuts, etc. on my chest
and reach up to do any wiring I want while I roll around under my
table. Nice for quick naps, to!

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45680 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Best Friend of Charleston (SC) Show This Weekend
For the first time, the Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers will be operating a modular layout at the Best Friend of Charleston Show in North Charleston, SC this coming weekend (November 17-18). We have been allotted only a very small space, so we will be running a 14 by 22 foot layout with one 22 foot side against a wall. We will have as many operating buttons as possible accessible to the public. Joe's Train Repair will be there with S gauge trains and American Flyer parts.

On Saturday November 17th other ACSG members will be assembling the Kings Mountain (NC) holiday modular layout, which will operate from Thanksgiving through the beginning of the New Year. These shows build upon the highly successful Neuse River Valley Model Railroad Show on November 3&4, where we operated a 30 by 36 foot modular layout, complete with an 8 track middle passing yard.

Joe

Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613
404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338
Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer
Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers
American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line
joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored
Group: S-Trains Message: 45681 From: velapoldi Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: Additional answer to earlier e-mail on Train Table Progress
Hi Tim:
Sorry for writing to the group - I don't have Tim's e-mail address and I
vote heartily for changing back and have the reply go to the original
sender - and if we want to send an answer to all the people (yahoo
groups, etc.) we can "reply to all"!!! Now you can all suffer with the
next paragraph!

Anyhow, Tim, my reply was just supposed to go to Mike Marmer, and I
forgot to check and just "replied" - then I saw it spread out for the
whole group!! Oh well. I did make the table high enough so that I
could sit under it (except for a few places where my head hits a
stringer/'beam', or something) so there isn't too much squeezing in or
hunching over. On the other hand, it is getting up after I have gotten
down that tends to be a problem now - knees - must be all of that tennis
and skiing! Well, advancing age does that also. I was cured of using a
creeper many years ago when I was changing the exhaust system on an
older mustang ('66). Actually, it was a major job which should have
been done on a lift, but I was a little woozy for an hour after getting up.
regards,
Rance Velapoldi

Timboy wrote:
>
> Hi Rance,
>
> The use of a lighted headband is a good idea. Wish I would have
> thought of it 6 years ago!!!!!
>
> I have solved the problem of wiring under a train table. I use a good-
> quality automobile mechanic's creeper. Jeepers, it sure helps a
> lot!!! I can just lay there on it, with wire nuts, etc. on my chest
> and reach up to do any wiring I want while I roll around under my
> table. Nice for quick naps, to!
>
> S-Happens,
> Tim Brown
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45682 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Report on NRVMRR Show
The Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers created and operated a very successful modular layout at the Neuse River Valley Model Railroad Show in the new Expo Building at the State Fairgrounds in Raleigh, North Carolina on Saturday and Sunday, November 3rd & 4th. The show broke all previous attendance records. The ACSG layout was 36 feet by 30 feet, featuring two new wide radius corner modules created by Rhett George, Butch Heniona's 30 foot of two T modules and 8 track center yard modules, and over 60 operating buttons. Among those present for setup, operations and/or teardown were Rhett George (show coordinator), Nick Cianciosi, Andy DeMontpelier (Tidewater Division), Joanna George, Joe Haenn, Dean Hall (Tidewater Division), Butch Henion, Leon Hudgins, Aaron Loflin, Ken McNelly (Tidewater Division), Mike Myers (Virginia Central Division), Marvin Thiel, Bill Ware, and Ted Zanders. Club members stopping by or at the show included Bill
Clark, Vance Kinlaw, Rich Peabody, and Barb Rudnicki. Next up are the Best Friend of Charleston Show in Charleston, South Carolina on November 17 & 18 and the Kings Mountain (North Carolina) Christmas Layout with setup on Saturday, November 17th (that’s right, we will be in two different places at the same time) and operations from Thanksgiving through January 3rd.

Joe Haenn


Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613
404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338
Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer
Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers
American Models ######################## S-Helper Service Showcase Line
joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa honored
Group: S-Trains Message: 45683 From: rcon7@bellsouth.net Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: WIRING
When I was a kid, it was nothing to get up and down.... on the table or below..... now at 69 its getting harder so here is what I am doing....... I put my item, switch, acessorie, whatever where I want it.... drill holes thru the table top.... wire it with long pieces of wire..... put them thru the hole and let them hang down.... then I grab a pole with a hook and pull them to the side and run them thru holes in the table frame and pull them thru..... now they are at a comfortable height to work with.... no bending.... then I splice or have enough wire already so I run them along the table front till I get to the power source..... when finished I cover them with a nice cover strip.... wire ties can be used to bundel them if you like..... VERY EASY AND NEAT..... I can even add stuff with all kinds of boxes under the table too....and your arms don't get tired working up in the air at an odd position.... Bob Conner

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45684 From: Timboy Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: Additional answer to earlier e-mail on Train Table Progress
Hi Rance,

There is another alternative for guys with higher tables - again a
mechanic's tool. It's a kind of a cart on wheels, where you sit on
it. There is a handy tray under the seat as well.

The effect you mentioned upon arising from a creeper isn't inherent in
the creeper itself. Just don't get up too quickly if you experience
light-headedness from being prone a while.

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45685 From: Paul Yorke Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Sunday night chat
Starting Nov 18th, Sunday night chat is moving to
http://www.tuveson.com/mychat/phpMyChat.php3

Join the fun!

Email me off list if you have any questions.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45686 From: Don Rodgers Sr. Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted S gauge
Hi to all, I'm trying to find the US NAVY 24557 or 24572 flatcar with the
Jeeps...Please let me know if anyone would like to part with one...Thank
You, Don Rodgers..drmusic244@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 45687 From: Jim Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: colber
Could someone please tell me where I might find information on Colber Accessories produced under their own name?
Thanks
Jim Schiele
83-19217

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45688 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Fw: AF 2 Sided Billboard Whistle
A TCA member friend of mine, who is a O gauger, has this AF whistle billboard on his layout and he would like to know if anyone knows anything about this.

I have pictures, that I can post on my slide show with the table construction.

I have his description below.

Thanks,

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Wjzwjz@...
To: mlmarmer@...
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:35 PM
Subject: AF 2 Sided Billboard Whistle


Mike,

Can you provide any information regarding this two sided lithographed metal billboard whistle that I acquired many years ago ('84).

I have put it on the layout and would like more information about it. There is no number, only the markings on the side of the frame as shown in the 3rd picture. I believe it to be either late prewar or early post war.

The picture appears to be that of a Hudson steamer (5200) and is the same on both sides.

-- Bill
Group: S-Trains Message: 45689 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: New Photos Table
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/2c8d?b=18&m=s&o=0

More photos of my work on the train platform, as I had to adjust a joist for the pop section and the second piece of 4 x 8 plywood is down.

The pop up section is 2 x 2 and it will be cut down in size, once I start to put down the track.

Mike Marmer

.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45690 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: FILMS
This is for Steve Blackburn, & other members...Anyone remember which vol. of
the SnS Trains video's contained the laying of track on the foam building
material? Mike S.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45691 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: error
My pop up is 2 x 4 right now, as it will be a 2 x 2 once it is finished with the track.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45692 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: Additional answer to earlier e-mail on Train Table Progress
Hi Rance,

Glad you got that message to the group anyway.

Yes, I have thought of getting that type of flashlight for under the table.

Thanks,

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45693 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: Train Table Progress
Don,

I just posted a few more pictures.

You have to remember that Wescott has many books on trains, so I am not sure which book you are writing about.

Again, I got this table plan from his HO RR That Grows book, vintage 1970, 5 edition. That book goes back to the 1950's.

I wonder if Mr. Wescott is still with us.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train Table Progress


Dear Mike,
No need, but thank you for the offer. I saw your use of 2X4s and knew
that Lynn was a big proponet of the "L" girder which used 1" lumber. It
is a bit more work, but weigh less and tends not to bow. I was curious
if it was mentioned in his book.
Looking forward to more images.
Best,
Don

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

> Don,
>
> Long day of table building and a concert tonight also.
>
> This was in a book "The HO Railroad that Grows".
>
> I can scan the instructions for you if you like.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Thompson
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 5:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train Table Progress
>
> Dear Mike,
> Did Lynn mention "L" girder anywhere in his book?
> Best regards,
> Don
>
> MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote:
>
> >
> > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d
> <http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d>
> > <http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d
> <http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d>>
> >
> > I have posted pictures of my work on my train table.
> >
> > I don't have a clue on what I am doing, but I am following the
> > directions in a Lynn Wescott book.
> >
> > You can see my progress from start, where the wood is on the floor
> > like how it will be, to where I am now, with several sheets of plywood
> > down.
> >
> > I am also adding a wood border to the table, which is going down fine.
> >
> > I built on of these back in 1970.
> >
> > I got the wood at a local lumber/hardware store in Damascus, MD and I
> > am very pleased with the service I got. The pricing is competitive
> > with Home Depot, as they got the wood for me.
> >
> > I had the big pieces of wood, legs, joists and girder pieces pre-cut
> > for me. The braces and cleats, the pieces of wood that hold down the
> > plywood I cut with my plastic miter box. I used a drill and a old
> > fashion Phillips screw driver. No power screw driver.
> >
> > Once the table framing was done, I then got the plywood, as I had them
> > cut if for me. The table top will be 12 feet 6 inches by 8 feet 9
> > inches. Once the plywood that I got is down, I them need to get the
> > plywood for the 8 feet 9 inches, 12 feet 6 inches and a 1 foot x 3
> > foot table area for the controls, by the clock area. I will have that
> > cut from another piece of plywood.
> >
> > The clock on the wall is a AF Neon Clock that I got at my first York
> > in 1992 from Great Traditions in PA, I believe. There is a AF ad below
> > that from 1949, where a hopper 632 is green in color. I guess they
> > felt gray would not be good marketing. I wonder how many notice or
> > cared that the car was not green when they got the set.
> >
> > I will post more photo's as progress is made.
> >
> > Mike Marmer
> >
Group: S-Trains Message: 45694 From: clayton deich Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted S gauge
Don good luck! I found one after years of looking
under rocks, and such. They are out there, and I will
keep an eye out for you. Post if you fine one in the
meen time I will keep looking.

Clayton S. D.
--- "Don Rodgers Sr." <drmusic244@...> wrote:

> Hi to all, I'm trying to find the US NAVY 24557 or
> 24572 flatcar with the
> Jeeps...Please let me know if anyone would like to
> part with one...Thank
> You, Don Rodgers..drmusic244@...
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45695 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: Train Table Progress
Dear Mike,
I am pretty sure that Lynn is now modeling in the sky with AC and JCL
Best,
Don

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

> Don,
>
> I just posted a few more pictures.
>
> You have to remember that Wescott has many books on trains, so I am
> not sure which book you are writing about.
>
> Again, I got this table plan from his HO RR That Grows book, vintage
> 1970, 5 edition. That book goes back to the 1950's.
>
> I wonder if Mr. Wescott is still with us.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Thompson
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train Table Progress
>
> Dear Mike,
> No need, but thank you for the offer. I saw your use of 2X4s and knew
> that Lynn was a big proponet of the "L" girder which used 1" lumber. It
> is a bit more work, but weigh less and tends not to bow. I was curious
> if it was mentioned in his book.
> Looking forward to more images.
> Best,
> Don
>
> Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:
>
> > Don,
> >
> > Long day of table building and a concert tonight also.
> >
> > This was in a book "The HO Railroad that Grows".
> >
> > I can scan the instructions for you if you like.
> >
> > Mike
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Don Thompson
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 5:03 AM
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train Table Progress
> >
> > Dear Mike,
> > Did Lynn mention "L" girder anywhere in his book?
> > Best regards,
> > Don
> >
> > MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d
> <http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d>
> > <http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d
> <http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d>>
> > > <http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d
> <http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d>
> > <http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d
> <http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d>>>
> > >
> > > I have posted pictures of my work on my train table.
> > >
> > > I don't have a clue on what I am doing, but I am following the
> > > directions in a Lynn Wescott book.
> > >
> > > You can see my progress from start, where the wood is on the floor
> > > like how it will be, to where I am now, with several sheets of plywood
> > > down.
> > >
> > > I am also adding a wood border to the table, which is going down fine.
> > >
> > > I built on of these back in 1970.
> > >
> > > I got the wood at a local lumber/hardware store in Damascus, MD and I
> > > am very pleased with the service I got. The pricing is competitive
> > > with Home Depot, as they got the wood for me.
> > >
> > > I had the big pieces of wood, legs, joists and girder pieces pre-cut
> > > for me. The braces and cleats, the pieces of wood that hold down the
> > > plywood I cut with my plastic miter box. I used a drill and a old
> > > fashion Phillips screw driver. No power screw driver.
> > >
> > > Once the table framing was done, I then got the plywood, as I had them
> > > cut if for me. The table top will be 12 feet 6 inches by 8 feet 9
> > > inches. Once the plywood that I got is down, I them need to get the
> > > plywood for the 8 feet 9 inches, 12 feet 6 inches and a 1 foot x 3
> > > foot table area for the controls, by the clock area. I will have that
> > > cut from another piece of plywood.
> > >
> > > The clock on the wall is a AF Neon Clock that I got at my first York
> > > in 1992 from Great Traditions in PA, I believe. There is a AF ad below
> > > that from 1949, where a hopper 632 is green in color. I guess they
> > > felt gray would not be good marketing. I wonder how many notice or
> > > cared that the car was not green when they got the set.
> > >
> > > I will post more photo's as progress is made.
> > >
> > > Mike Marmer
> > >
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45696 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: Train Table Progress
Hi Don,

I am sure. O:)!

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train Table Progress


Dear Mike,
I am pretty sure that Lynn is now modeling in the sky with AC and JCL
Best,
Don

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

> Don,
>
> I just posted a few more pictures.
>
> You have to remember that Wescott has many books on trains, so I am
> not sure which book you are writing about.
>
> Again, I got this table plan from his HO RR That Grows book, vintage
> 1970, 5 edition. That book goes back to the 1950's.
>
> I wonder if Mr. Wescott is still with us.
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45697 From: Chuck Bukauskas Date: 11/13/2007
Subject: Re: An open invite for coffee and stuff
Hi Gary,
I live in Memphis, and am interested in
attending.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Chuck Bukauskas
Cordova,Tn.

--- lne1957 <schallj@...> wrote:

> I will be hosting a "Coffee" for S Scalers the
> week end of December
> 14, 15 & 16 in Johnson City, Tennessee.
>
> The plans for this event are far from complete.
> At this time the
> following activities are planned:
>
> Friday evening - Greet and meet -
> Location and time to be
> announced.
> Saturday
> 9:00 AM ETSU Campus - Social and
> private opening of
> George L. Carter Train Museum. Includes
> Mountain Empire Modular
> Railroaders HO layout, the Bankus N layout and
> the McKee G layout
> plus static showcase exhibits. Coffee, soft
> drinks, water and
> donuts will be provided.
> 10:30 AM ETSU Campus, Brown Hall
> Science Building,
> Room 312 - General Discussion - Vendor
> Exhibits, etc. S scale
> vendors should contact me for set up
> arrangements.
> 12:00 Lunch Break - Burger King and
> student center are
> on campus. Ruby Tuesdays, Wendys, Wellingtons,
> Pals and Back Yard
> Burgers within walking distance. Those driving
> in on Saturday may
> want to visit the Carter Museum at this time.
> 12:45 PM - ETSU Room 312 -Clinic -
> Presenter and topic
> to be announced.
> 2:00 PM - Railroad Tour - Sites in
> JC & Erwin to be
> developed.
> 6:00 PM - Dinner, Show & Tell,
> Presentation - Location &
> presenter to be announced.
> Sunday 1:30 PM Doe River Gorge - Hampton,
> TN - Excursion over
> ET&WNC's narrow gauge tracks. Great trip with
> two tunnels. Meet at
> 1:00 PM and carpool to Hampton from ETSU's
> parking lot. Advance
> first come first ride reservations of $10.00/ea
> required. Mail by
> 12/01/07 to: Gary Cameron, 300 Hillside Road,
> Johnson City, TN
> 37601
>
>
> For those coming in on Friday, I will try to
> obtain some special
> hotel rates and a suite or lounge type area to
> gather in.
>
> There is no cost for this event but I would
> appreciate it if you
> would let me know if you are coming so that I
> can make timely
> adjustments for the size of the group. I would
> also appreciate
> donations to the Model Train Center to help
> offset my costs. Any
> comments on what to include in this and future
> events and your input
> on how often S scalers in the SE would like to
> hold something
> similar to this event (quarterly,
> semi-annually) possibly rotating
> to different cities (Nashville, Atlanta, Oak
> Ridge, Ashville,etc.).
>
> Gary Cameron
> 423/929-3667 (Johnson City) 865/717-0000
> (Kingston)
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45698 From: Don Rodgers Sr. Date: 11/13/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted S gauge
Clayton, Thanks for the reply, and I will keep you informed on my luck
finding one...I need this plus the US AIR FORCE 24574 to compleate my
Defender set....Don


>From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...>
>Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Wanted S gauge
>Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:19:28 -0800 (PST)
>
>Don good luck! I found one after years of looking
>under rocks, and such. They are out there, and I will
>keep an eye out for you. Post if you fine one in the
>meen time I will keep looking.
>
> Clayton S. D.
>--- "Don Rodgers Sr." <drmusic244@...> wrote:
>
> > Hi to all, I'm trying to find the US NAVY 24557 or
> > 24572 flatcar with the
> > Jeeps...Please let me know if anyone would like to
> > part with one...Thank
> > You, Don Rodgers..drmusic244@...
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>____________________________________________________________________________________
>Go from "to-do" to "done" with the all-new Yahoo! Search. Show me how.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45699 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 11/13/2007
Subject: Re: Train Table Progress
________________________________> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> From: mlmarmer@...> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:45:07 -0500> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train Table Progress>> Hi Don,> I am sure. O:)!> Mike> ----- Original Message -----> From: Don Thompson> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:29 PM> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train Table Progress> Dear Mike,> I am pretty sure that Lynn is now modeling in the sky with AC and JCL> Best,> Don> Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:>> Don,>>>> I just posted a few more pictures.>>>> You have to remember that Wescott has many books on trains, so I am>> not sure which book you are writing about.>>>> Again, I got this table plan from his HO RR That Grows book, vintage>> 1970, 5 edition. That book goes back to the 1950's.>>>> I wonder if Mr. Wescott is still with us.>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>

No, he died in 1982 in his 60s. His name is Linn Wescott by the way - famous for many track plans in the 40s-70s. Jeff
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45700 From: Mike Rosz Date: 11/13/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] The the Annual Indianapolis S Show is next Saturday!
On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 03:43:46 -0000 "hobos" <hobos@yahoo> writes:
Just a reminder one and all are invited to attend the Annual
Indianapolis S Show this coming Saturday, November 17th from 10 until 3
pm! Once again the Hoosier S Gaugers will be hosting the the
Indianapolis S Show at the Carmel Lions Club House at 141 East Main
Street in downtown Carmel, Indiana. The Show will feature dealer
tables, 2 clinics, door prizes and 2 operating layouts and admission is
still only $5. Canteen service will be available by Miss Barbara
featuring the famous 40 foot scale hot dog! If possible arrvie on
Friday evening and attend the popular night before the Show tradition
the Bring & Brag Session and Dinner at Shapiro's Restaurant in Carmel.
It's always a night of great food, good friends, conversation and some
great modeling projects. For more information contact Charles
Malinowski at 317 566-1748or by email at bmry1905@.... Come and enjoy
some Hoosier Hospitality in S Scale.

Bob Morrison
Hoosier s Gaugers
Columbus, Indiana




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45701 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 11/13/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted S gauge
Don,

Here's a link to the entire Defender set on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-No-20525-DEFENDER-Set-Time-
Capsule-
NIB_W0QQitemZ150182260459QQihZ005QQcategoryZ480QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ
1QQcmdZViewItem

Occasionally I see just the flatcar with Jeeps on eBay but they are
few and far between.

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Don Rodgers Sr." <drmusic244@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi to all, I'm trying to find the US NAVY 24557 or 24572 flatcar
with the
> Jeeps...Please let me know if anyone would like to part with
one...Thank
> You, Don Rodgers..drmusic244@...
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45702 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 11/13/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted S gauge
I am sure the seller
will be happy with $2025
for the boxed set.
I have one crudy jeep
for a future load.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Bull_Gator_1
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:02 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Wanted S gauge


Don,

Here's a link to the entire Defender set on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-No-20525-DEFENDER-Set-Time-
Capsule-
NIB_W0QQitemZ150182260459QQihZ005QQcategoryZ480QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ
1QQcmdZViewItem

Occasionally I see just the flatcar with Jeeps on eBay but they are
few and far between.

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Don Rodgers Sr." <drmusic244@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi to all, I'm trying to find the US NAVY 24557 or 24572 flatcar
with the
> Jeeps...Please let me know if anyone would like to part with
one...Thank
> You, Don Rodgers..drmusic244@...
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45703 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/13/2007
Subject: Re: Train Table Progress
Thanks Jeff for that information on his passing in 1982.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeffrey Madden
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 3:10 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Train Table Progress


Dear Mike,> I am pretty sure that Lynn is now modeling in the sky with AC and JCL> Best,> Don

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:>> Don,>>>> I just posted a few more pictures.>>>> You have to remember that Wescott has many books on trains, so I am>> not sure which book you are writing about.>>>> Again, I got this table plan from his HO RR That Grows book, vintage>> 1970, 5 edition. That book goes back to the 1950's.>>>> I wonder if Mr. Wescott is still with us

No, he died in 1982 in his 60s. His name is Linn Wescott by the way - famous for many track plans in the 40s-70s. Jeff
Group: S-Trains Message: 45704 From: roncsx Date: 11/14/2007
Subject: LANSING SHOW THIS SUNDAY 11/18/07
** THIS WEEKEND **

ONE OF MICHIGAN'S LARGEST TRAIN SHOWS

The Lansing Model Railroad Club is sponsoring their annual Train Show
this Sunday, November 18, 2007. New show times are 10:00 – 4:00.
Ticket Sales begin at 9:30.

A limited number of tables are still available: Call 517-347-1831.

- Over 450 tables.
- 11 display layouts from Z to G Scale and LEGOS!
- Large open venue
- Expanded floor plan now includes auditorium
- Live demos by NMRA North Central Region Division 5
- New models, toy trains, Thomas the Tank Engine toys, Railroad
Memorabilia, book and DVDs, collectibles and much, much more!

More details and table reservations can be found at:
http://www.lmrc.org

See the show's TV ad here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua0EevwbFks

We hope to see you there!


Ron St.Laurent
Lansing Model Railroad Club
Group: S-Trains Message: 45705 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/14/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted S gauge
Don,

Make your own load until ya find the real thing!
http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer_003/Monon+JEEP+Load.JPG.html

Rick.





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at http://S-Scale.org/albums
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45706 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/14/2007
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: Wanted S gauge
BG1's link...fixed.

http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-No-20525-DEFENDER-Set-TimeCapsuleNIB_W0QQitemZ150182260459QQihZ005QQcategoryZ480QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem




--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Don Rodgers Sr." <drmusic244@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi to all, I'm trying to find the US NAVY 24557 or 24572 flatcar
with the
> Jeeps...Please let me know if anyone would like to part with
one...Thank
> You, Don Rodgers..drmusic244@...
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45707 From: Chuck Bukauskas Date: 11/14/2007
Subject: Re: am looking for help
Thank you for your kind reply.
How do I post some of my pictures of my work in
your photo gallery? Do I need to join somegroup?

Your assistance is greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

Chuck Bukauskas
Cordova,Tn.
--- barb <rcespeak@...> wrote:

> Hi Chuck,
>
> What you need to do is get an album in our
> photo gallery and
> post some pictures of what you have. Then we
> can all take a look
> and provide you with some input.
>
> You can also take a look at our layout photos
> in the gallery
> and maybe get some input and ideas of your own.
> Especially
> check the layout that Dick Kuepper has built.
> It sounds a
> bit similar to your situation. His photo album
> page can be
> seen at:
>
http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/Kuepper/
>
> Good Luck.... Barb
>
>
> have constructed layout in attic above
> garage...
> here in Memphis.. (it gets hot in summer time)
>
> am not a "craftman" , handiman, of any sort.
>
> space is constrained.... goal was to "run"
> trains.. Have accomplished that... but
> left no room for scenery or accessories...
>
> design was my own... using cadrail 8...
>
> was imprinted with af when I received my 322
> unit as santa gift back in 54..
>
> would like for someone to review what I've
> done... look at room constraints... and offer
> /suggest options of what can be done with room
> space available.
>
> have pics, am willing to post just need to know
> where...
>
> If interested, please contact me offline.
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Chuck Bukauskas
> Cordova,Tn.
>
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45708 From: bud9351 Date: 11/14/2007
Subject: Cincinnati S layout
Hi, Here's a link to photos of the "Cincinnati in Motion" S layout
with SHS and Am Models (I think). My personal favorites are the Union
Station and the ballpark!
Bud Rindfleisch
Group: S-Trains Message: 45709 From: Tom Hawley Date: 11/14/2007
Subject: Re: LANSING SHOW THIS SUNDAY 11/18/07
----- Original Message -----
From: roncsx
** THIS WEEKEND **
ONE OF MICHIGAN'S LARGEST TRAIN SHOWS

The Lansing Model Railroad Club is sponsoring their annual Train Show this
Sunday, November 18, 2007. New show times are 10:00 - 4:00. Ticket Sales
begin at 9:30.

> > > > > > > > > > >
Thanks for the advert, Ron. I might add that I (dba Michigan Models) will
be there selling new AM, SHS, and some PRS kits at clearance sale prices,
&c. And some of the local boys will have an S gauge modular layout up and
running.
Tom Hawley -- Lansing MI
Group: S-Trains Message: 45710 From: Don Rodgers Sr. Date: 11/14/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted S gauge
Thanks Rick for your reply and link....Don


>From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...>
>Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Wanted S gauge
>Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:47:35 -0800
>
>Don,
>
>Make your own load until ya find the real thing!
>http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer_003/Monon+JEEP+Load.JPG.html
>
>Rick.
>
>
>
>
>
>Enjoy thousands of great photos
>at http://S-Scale.org/albums
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45711 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/14/2007
Subject: Re: am looking for help
I can set-up a photo album for you Chuck,
@ http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php

Rick.


Thank you for your kind reply.
How do I post some of my pictures of my work in
your photo gallery? Do I need to join somegroup?

Your assistance is greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

Chuck Bukauskas
Cordova,Tn.
--- barb <rcespeak@...> wrote:

> Hi Chuck,
>
> What you need to do is get an album in our
> photo gallery and
> post some pictures of what you have. Then we
> can all take a look
> and provide you with some input.
>
> You can also take a look at our layout photos
> in the gallery
> and maybe get some input and ideas of your own.
> Especially
> check the layout that Dick Kuepper has built.
> It sounds a
> bit similar to your situation. His photo album
> page can be
> seen at:
>
http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/Kuepper/
>
> Good Luck.... Barb
>
>
> have constructed layout in attic above
> garage...
> here in Memphis.. (it gets hot in summer time)
>
> am not a "craftman" , handiman, of any sort.
>
> space is constrained.... goal was to "run"
> trains.. Have accomplished that... but
> left no room for scenery or accessories...
>
> design was my own... using cadrail 8...
>
> was imprinted with af when I received my 322
> unit as santa gift back in 54..
>
> would like for someone to review what I've
> done... look at room constraints... and offer
> /suggest options of what can be done with room
> space available.
>
> have pics, am willing to post just need to know
> where...
>
> If interested, please contact me offline.
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Chuck Bukauskas
> Cordova,Tn.
>
>
>
>



Enjoy thousands of great photos
at http://S-Scale.org/albums
Yahoo! Groups Links




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45712 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/14/2007
Subject: New photo
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d

3rd section of 4 x 8 has been completed.

Now I need to add the "trim" board, around the platform, put joint compound on the seams, paint the table top, stain the wood border and then I am ready to lay the track.

Mike Marmer

.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45713 From: nd5s@arrl.net Date: 11/14/2007
Subject: Re: LANSING SHOW THIS SUNDAY 11/18/07
Thanks Tom. We are bending over backwards to make this one the best yet. We are a sell-out on tables.

Ron

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Hawley
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LANSING SHOW THIS SUNDAY 11/18/07


----- Original Message -----
From: roncsx
** THIS WEEKEND **
ONE OF MICHIGAN'S LARGEST TRAIN SHOWS

The Lansing Model Railroad Club is sponsoring their annual Train Show this
Sunday, November 18, 2007. New show times are 10:00 - 4:00. Ticket Sales
begin at 9:30.

> > > > > > > > > > >
Thanks for the advert, Ron. I might add that I (dba Michigan Models) will
be there selling new AM, SHS, and some PRS kits at clearance sale prices,
&c. And some of the local boys will have an S gauge modular layout up and
running.
Tom Hawley -- Lansing MI





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45714 From: ken_5556 Date: 11/15/2007
Subject: Re: colber
Hi Jim,
You have to learn how to google.

colber toys..... First listing:

http://faqs.org/faqs/model-railroad-faq/tinplate/part1/

COLBER

Founders Antony Collett and William Burke initially started in
the appliance business in New York, NY, and later began repairing trains as a Lionel service station. In 1946 Trains became their primary business as they became the Train Center of America, and grew to be the largest Lionel distributor in the East. Unable to stock trains fast enough to meet demand, they began making low price versions of Lionel accessories in 1948 as Colber Manufacturing Company. Their versions included beacon and floodlight towers, watchman's shanty, street lights, and wig-wag signal.

Colber received a stern warning from Lionel concerning their
packaging in 1950, concerning that it was a near copy of Lionel's, which led to its modification. During 1951-54 Colber supplied Flyer with several accessories in addition to its own line by using different nameplates and plastic colors. By 1954 Flyer no longer needed Colber's help and the toy train market was shrinking so Colber decided to leave the market. They sold their dies to Marx, who primarily wanted them out of the market, and switched to electronic components, which it still makes today.


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jschiele1@...> wrote:
>
> Could someone please tell me where I might find information on
Colber Accessories produced under their own name?
> Thanks
> Jim Schiele
> 83-19217
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45715 From: Laurin Date: 11/15/2007
Subject: Wanting to convert to DCC.
Hi All.. I see by many posts that some of you have already done some S
guage DCC converstions. I am making to leap from AF compatible to DCC
for Xmas. I am getting a Showcase 2-8-0 in DCC with the starter DCC
kit. I would like to eventually convert the following to AF DCC
compatible: 2 American Models SD60s, Showcase F7 A-B-A and a non-DCC 2-
8-0. I realize the Lenz DCC Starter from Showcase will also need
upgrading eventually but for now it should be ok(this is currently a
very small temporary layout). What I really would like to see/have is
a parts list for each conversion and some estimate of cost for the
parts. However all comments would be welcome, including references to
already existing documentation. Thanks for any help!! Laurin(Texas0717)
Group: S-Trains Message: 45716 From: Timboy Date: 11/15/2007
Subject: Re: Wanting to convert to DCC.
Hi,

DCC conversions have two parts to them; motion and sound. IMHO, one
is just as important as the other. That said, I highly recommend
going with Loksound v3.5 at about $130 a pop. Cut the puny speaker
off the Loksound decoder though and go with a 100 ohm bass reflex
speaker (about $12 each) for a more full sound. Maybe you won't run
the sound at full volume, but wouldn't it be nice to know you could
if you wanted to! Another nice feature with Loksound is that you can
re-program anything, including the sound package on them, if you pony
up the $130 for a Loksound Programmer. Also, just a double-tap on
your throttle will toggle the sound volume in four steps. Try THAT
with ANY other sound decoder on the market!

Whatever you decide, you must first convert your loco to a DC can
motor at varying costs per loco. Converting vintage loci to DCC
takes a skill set. If you are not handy or inclined to learn, then I
say put the vintage on a shelf and run all new stuff DCC.

That is my honest opinion. Other opinions my vary.

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45717 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/15/2007
Subject: Re: Wanting to convert to DCC.
Dear Laurin,
You are not along. Since the introduction of the Tsunami DCC sound
decoder, we are now selling more new DCC systems to our AF comp.
customers than our code 110. All of our engines have sockets that
accept the standard NMRA DCC plugs, but I must warn you the F units and
2-8-0 use either 5 volt bulbs or LEDs. If you plug in any decoder and
turn on the lights, you may damage the lights.
Best regards,
Don

Laurin wrote:

> Hi All.. I see by many posts that some of you have already done some S
> guage DCC converstions. I am making to leap from AF compatible to DCC
> for Xmas. I am getting a Showcase 2-8-0 in DCC with the starter DCC
> kit. I would like to eventually convert the following to AF DCC
> compatible: 2 American Models SD60s, Showcase F7 A-B-A and a non-DCC 2-
> 8-0. I realize the Lenz DCC Starter from Showcase will also need
> upgrading eventually but for now it should be ok(this is currently a
> very small temporary layout). What I really would like to see/have is
> a parts list for each conversion and some estimate of cost for the
> parts. However all comments would be welcome, including references to
> already existing documentation. Thanks for any help!! Laurin
>
>
> .
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45718 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Re: Wanting to convert to DCC.
We do DCC conversions on vintage Flyer Locos all the time. Our labor charges
are only $30 plus the cost of the DCC unit of your choice. We also supply
three different DC can motors for Steamers and one for Diesels.

Steve

SnS Trains
Boise, Idaho
www.sns-trains.com



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45719 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Clearance for track
In doing my layout, how much clearance from building, walls, etc., should I allow for track laying, so that no engines or rolling stock will hit anything.

I was going to use 2.25 inches.

Thanks Mike, as the table is almost done and I laying track to see how the layout will look.

Since have allot more to do.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45720 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Clearance take 2
I really meant that question to be on clearance for engines and rolling stock for curves, as of course straight track, that is easy to figure out.

I guess what I am trying to find out, is, to avoid problems with engines hitting anything inside and outside of curves. How much overhang will there been on the outside curve rail.

Thanks

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45721 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Re: Wanting to convert to DCC.
Hi Laurin;

Welcome to club DCC!

You seem to be started out ok, by purchasing a DCC loco and starter
kit, that will give you a good background.

As for your conversions, start simple, like your AM SD60's. Save the
F7 for later... maybe a diesel Tsunami will be out by then so provide
some choice. In the meantime, Tim has good suggestions.

For some rough background info, check the photos section on this group,
I have posted picks on converting 2 legacy AFG loco's, both with
LokSound.

If you have questions, ask, Tim has converted,,,, what --- 3 so far??

I have converted several to DCC,,,, 2 SHS SW1200 switchers (generic
diesel, soundtraxx), 2 AM 4-6-2 steam (Tsunami), 1 AM E-8 (LokSound),
AFG Hudson (Tsunami, electronic smoke unit), AFG Northern (Tsunami,
electronic smoke), AFG Royal Blue (LokSound, electronic smoke, Bass
Reflex speaker), AFG 342 0-8-0 (LokSound, electronic smoke, BR speaker)
(see the clips on youtube - search "barney6812" or "American Flyer
342"),,, I think that's it,,, oh yeah, SHS 2-8-0 non DCC to DCC (that's
just a plug & play with Don's kit),,, oh,, a Flyonel GP40 (digitrax
motor control and piggybacked soundtraxx DSX)

I'm holding back on my SHS F3 and F7,,, I may do something radical!!

cheers
phil d

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Laurin" <laurin0717@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All.. I see by many posts that some of you have already done some
S
> guage DCC converstions. I am making to leap from AF compatible to DCC
> for Xmas. I am getting a Showcase 2-8-0 in DCC with the starter DCC
> kit. I would like to eventually convert the following to AF DCC
> compatible: 2 American Models SD60s, Showcase F7 A-B-A and a non-DCC
2-
> 8-0. I realize the Lenz DCC Starter from Showcase will also need
> upgrading eventually but for now it should be ok(this is currently a
> very small temporary layout). What I really would like to see/have
is
> a parts list for each conversion and some estimate of cost for the
> parts. However all comments would be welcome, including references to
> already existing documentation. Thanks for any help!! Laurin
(Texas0717)
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45722 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Re: Clearance for track
Dear Mike,
Don't forget the double track clearance on curves needs to be larger
so the long cars on the outside radius are not side swiped by engines on
the inner track..
Don

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

> In doing my layout, how much clearance from building, walls, etc.,
> should I allow for track laying, so that no engines or rolling stock
> will hit anything.
>
> I was going to use 2.25 inches.
>
> Thanks Mike, as the table is almost done and I laying track to see how
> the layout will look.
>
> Since have allot more to do.
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45723 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: “S” Gauge – Gilbert V the rest of the World
"S" Gauge – Gilbert V the rest of the World
I have raised the subject of the difference in gauge between Gilbert
S gauge track and that of the gauge used by other S gauge toy
manufacturers in the rest of the World (France, Germany,
Czechoslovakia, Japan & Britain) on a previous occasion.
I observed that the Gilbert track was narrower than that used by the
others and thought it might have been a measurement mistake on the
part of Bub, the European pioneer, in copying Gilbert's track width.
I now realize from looking at the S Scale standards that I was
wrong. The shocking reality is that at a track gauge around 22.45 -
22.5 mm (0.884 inches), the rest of the world were on, or nearer to,
the correct dimensions for a 1/64 model of the prototype standard
gauge four foot eight and one half inch track! In fact on the width
specified for S scale modeling. Gilberts 0.875 inch (or 22.225mm) is
actually more like four foot six. Obviously the Germans with their
usual clinical accuracy took the given scale of 1/64, converted four
foot eight and a half inches to give them their model track width
and assumed that the US manufacturer had done the same. Incidentally
the crude British Palitoy models were slightly over 22.5 MM anyway.
For what it is worth my problem is solved ,though I would suspect
not too many subscribers to this board would care. Alistair
Group: S-Trains Message: 45724 From: Timboy Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Re: Clearance take 2
Hi Mike,

Depends upon what you are running and/or plan to run. Also depends
upon how much slop there is in the gauging of the wheels. To be
relatively safe, take a vintage Northern steamer and add whatever you
feel is a safe margin for scenery from the farthest outswing you find
when you position it on a curve and push it with your hand as far out
as the wheels will allow without derailing. Do that in forward with
the boiler front and in reverse with the cab end. All this is
dependent upon the radius of your curves. The broader your curves, the
less outswing you will have. Allow plenty of room for scenery
buildup. No one on this List can give you a measurement to the
fraction because no one on this List knows the radius of your curves,
what you will be running or how much scenery build-up you will have
after all is said and done. It's your RR & you are the designer and
builder of it. What I said above is a rough, I say a rough guide. Be
prepared to make changes as you go and above all, have FUN!

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45725 From: Timboy Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Re: Clearance take 2
Reply Part Two;

There are those will might want to site NMRA and/or NASG, etc. etc.
standards. That's nice if you have or ever want to have a public RR
or are adhering to a strict scale guideline for the sake of it. I
highly recommend you follow those guidelines if you can because you
never know which direction your hobby will take. However, if you
have to ask a basic clearance question, then you probably are not
that technically oriented to savor such - well - technicalities by
yourself at this time. That's not a slam against you, Mike, or
anyone else. It's just that I favor a more down-to-earth and
practical way of determining for myself what is right for my own RR
in my own house to please me - the operator. How do I do that? I do
that by setting up mock-ups on my RR. Good modelers not only follow
guidelines, they set up mock-ups. That tells them where things go.
I set up mock-ups or prototypes, if you will on my RR. For me - if
the mock-up is successful - that establishes a pattern by which I
then build. Will everything you own run on my RR? Prob'ly not
because I don't follow national design specs too much - other than
gauge. Will everything I own run on your RR? Prob'ly not for the
same reason. Do you want to have a good-running RR? Then follow
national specs if you can and/or otherwise take your own worse-case
scenario and be most generous. If you try to follow national specs,
then be prepared to wade through and follow to the letter, a bunch of
written technical data on angles, clearances, easements,
measurements, etc.

What I'm suggesting is a hands-on, trail-and-error approach that
demystifies the process for us less technically-oriented people.
IOW's - fake it.

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45726 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: distance between tracks
Could someone be kind enough, to measure for me, the distance between your inside outside rail and the rail inside on side by side curves.

I hope to be laying down track in a few weeks and I want to be sure I have the distance correct when two trains go side by side on the curves.

I am using wide radius on the outside line and two regular radius with a wide radius in the middle for the inside line of curves.

Just building the table was a experience, as it was fun in a way. But I am glad it is done and over with! O:)!

Thanks,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45727 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Photo update layout
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?c

I have finally finished the main part of the table, as the small sections of plywood is down.

I laid out the track just to see how it would look and if I need anymore.

Well, I run out of straights and have too many regular curves leftover. I think I have too many curves left over, as I did not understand the principal of wide radius and how they would effect the layout overall. So, I used up the wide radius where I thought I would not need it.

I did order more track from Doug Peck today, as I will add a siding behind the sawmill.

I also need to adjust the dual curves by maybe a half inch to a inch. So, the track saw I got will come in handy. Classic Trains maker of the track, shows you how to cut the track, the connecting ties, are not full across, so you need to cut the plastic to save that realistic look.

I will need to figure out how to add a few AF couplers to the track at two sections.

As for the trains running through the switches, they are fine, as the S Helper items are perfect.

Again, on the AF, you have to adjust the gauge of the wheels with the dime.

So, next week, I need to sealed the seams between the plywood with joint (no puns) mesh tape and compound, stain the wood border and paint the table platform.

Then, to get the vinyl road bed, ballast. I will use a mixture of light and dark gray, as I think that is realistic. And then the rest..........

O:)! Maybe in 10 years it might be done!

Mike Marmer



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45728 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Re: Clearance for track
Thanks Don for that information about the engines.

The table is done, basically and I put the American S track down, just to see how the layout would look, and I have the inside curve too close to the outside curve, as a engine, a Hudson I used, does swing out a bit, so I have to move the inside curve a inch more away.

Other that than, I think the rest of the layout will be fine.

Pictures to be posted later on my S Album for this project, as I ran out of straights!

I have a few left over curves, as I order more from Doug Peck and another switch to make another siding.

What threw things off a bit, was my use of wide radius on the inside track, as I did not order enough of that too. I use one wide radius with two regular curves for the inside, as the outside is all wide.

So some odd reason, this is the same track plan I had down with AF track. But it did not match up the same when I used the wide radius.

At first I thought one inside loop was not going to work, but I actually figured out how to make it better, more realistic, as with AF track, I was not happy with the way this inside side loop was going to be.

I will say that the S Helper cars go through the switches just fine.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Clearance for track


Dear Mike,
Don't forget the double track clearance on curves needs to be larger
so the long cars on the outside radius are not side swiped by engines on
the inner track..
Don

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

> In doing my layout, how much clearance from building, walls, etc.,
> should I allow for track laying, so that no engines or rolling stock
> will hit anything.
>
> I was going to use 2.25 inches.
>
> Thanks Mike, as the table is almost done and I laying track to see how
> the layout will look.
>
> Since have allot more to do.
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45729 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Re: Clearance take 2
Thanks Tim for the advice on both questions.

I will read and take your advice, as this is a whole new experience.

I guess I am mostly concerned about the dual curves, as I should be able to figure out how close I can put things to the straights.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Timboy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 7:16 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Clearance take 2


Hi Mike,

Depends upon what you are running and/or plan to run. Also depends
upon how much slop there is in the gauging of the wheels. To be
relatively safe, take a vintage Northern steamer and add whatever you
feel is a safe margin for scenery from the farthest outswing you find
when you position it on a curve and push it with your hand as far out
as the wheels will allow without derailing. Do that in forward with
the boiler front and in reverse with the cab end. All this is
dependent upon the radius of your curves. The broader your curves, the
less outswing you will have. Allow plenty of room for scenery
buildup. No one on this List can give you a measurement to the
fraction because no one on this List knows the radius of your curves,
what you will be running or how much scenery build-up you will have
after all is said and done. It's your RR & you are the designer and
builder of it. What I said above is a rough, I say a rough guide. Be
prepared to make changes as you go and above all, have FUN!

S-Happens,
Tim Brown





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45730 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Re: Clearance take 2
Tim,

I forgot. As never being a operator before, I am learning the hard way, by trail and error it seems. But it always seem to work out, as it did with the problems I encountered with the table. I got those worked out.

I did exactly what you said with a Hudson, by looking at the front swing out. I think I need to put a Northern on the track too!

Thanks,

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Timboy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:30 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Clearance take 2


Reply Part Two;

There are those will might want to site NMRA and/or NASG, etc. etc.
standards. That's nice if you have or ever want to have a public RR
or are adhering to a strict scale guideline for the sake of it. I
highly recommend you follow those guidelines if you can because you
never know which direction your hobby will take. However, if you
have to ask a basic clearance question, then you probably are not
that technically oriented to savor such - well - technicalities by
yourself at this time. That's not a slam against you, Mike, or
anyone else. It's just that I favor a more down-to-earth and
practical way of determining for myself what is right for my own RR
in my own house to please me - the operator. How do I do that? I do
that by setting up mock-ups on my RR. Good modelers not only follow
guidelines, they set up mock-ups. That tells them where things go.
I set up mock-ups or prototypes, if you will on my RR. For me - if
the mock-up is successful - that establishes a pattern by which I
then build. Will everything you own run on my RR? Prob'ly not
because I don't follow national design specs too much - other than
gauge. Will everything I own run on your RR? Prob'ly not for the
same reason. Do you want to have a good-running RR? Then follow
national specs if you can and/or otherwise take your own worse-case
scenario and be most generous. If you try to follow national specs,
then be prepared to wade through and follow to the letter, a bunch of
written technical data on angles, clearances, easements,
measurements, etc.

What I'm suggesting is a hands-on, trail-and-error approach that
demystifies the process for us less technically-oriented people.
IOW's - fake it.

S-Happens,
Tim Brown





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45731 From: Ron Krischke Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "S" Gauge - Gilbert V the rest of the World
Are you sure about your figures? If we take the Gilbert inside rail distance of .875 inches, and multiply it by 64, we get 56 inches --- or 4 feet, 8 inches! Pretty damn close for a "toy" train! Ron Krischke (Retired electrical engineer in Springfield, IL.)
----- Original Message -----
From: Alistair McAllister
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 5:04 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] "S" Gauge - Gilbert V the rest of the World


"S" Gauge - Gilbert V the rest of the World
I have raised the subject of the difference in gauge between Gilbert
S gauge track and that of the gauge used by other S gauge toy
manufacturers in the rest of the World (France, Germany,
Czechoslovakia, Japan & Britain) on a previous occasion.
I observed that the Gilbert track was narrower than that used by the
others and thought it might have been a measurement mistake on the
part of Bub, the European pioneer, in copying Gilbert's track width.
I now realize from looking at the S Scale standards that I was
wrong. The shocking reality is that at a track gauge around 22.45 -
22.5 mm (0.884 inches), the rest of the world were on, or nearer to,
the correct dimensions for a 1/64 model of the prototype standard
gauge four foot eight and one half inch track! In fact on the width
specified for S scale modeling. Gilberts 0.875 inch (or 22.225mm) is
actually more like four foot six. Obviously the Germans with their
usual clinical accuracy took the given scale of 1/64, converted four
foot eight and a half inches to give them their model track width
and assumed that the US manufacturer had done the same. Incidentally
the crude British Palitoy models were slightly over 22.5 MM anyway.
For what it is worth my problem is solved ,though I would suspect
not too many subscribers to this board would care. Alistair






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45732 From: afironhorse Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Re: “S” Gauge – Gilbert V the rest of the World
Alistair,
There are some subscribers, like myself, who are interested in
information like this. Thanks for the post.

David




-- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alistair McAllister" <alizoo@...> wrote:
>
> "S" Gauge – Gilbert V the rest of the World
> I have raised the subject of the difference in gauge between Gilbert
> S gauge track and that of the gauge used by other S gauge toy
> manufacturers in the rest of the World (France, Germany,
> Czechoslovakia, Japan & Britain) on a previous occasion.
> I observed that the Gilbert track was narrower than that used by the
> others and thought it might have been a measurement mistake on the
> part of Bub, the European pioneer, in copying Gilbert's track width.
> I now realize from looking at the S Scale standards that I was
> wrong. The shocking reality is that at a track gauge around 22.45 -
> 22.5 mm (0.884 inches), the rest of the world were on, or nearer to,
> the correct dimensions for a 1/64 model of the prototype standard
> gauge four foot eight and one half inch track! In fact on the width
> specified for S scale modeling. Gilberts 0.875 inch (or 22.225mm) is
> actually more like four foot six. Obviously the Germans with their
> usual clinical accuracy took the given scale of 1/64, converted four
> foot eight and a half inches to give them their model track width
> and assumed that the US manufacturer had done the same. Incidentally
> the crude British Palitoy models were slightly over 22.5 MM anyway.
> For what it is worth my problem is solved ,though I would suspect
> not too many subscribers to this board would care. Alistair
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45733 From: bandmancwc Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: DCC question
Hi everyone,

I am redoing my layout from an oval (ho hum) to something a little more
interesting. I am going to be running 2 separate tracks, with no plans
at this time to connect them. I would like to eventually get into DCC
and would like to know if there is some advanced wiring I can do now so
as not to tear up too much later. I have already isolated a section of
track on both tracks for the "programming track" if and when I convert
to DCC, is there anything else I can do before I get it put together?
Thanks....Bill
Group: S-Trains Message: 45734 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Re: Gilbert V the rest of the World
Hi Alistair,

You are correct that some of us do not care about these minute details; but�I am glad that you do, the varied interests is what makes it a great hobby. This sounds like it started during an train fest conversation at 3am. Train folk will talk about just anything then. Keep up the great research and have fun. Happy Holidays Tom










-----Original Message-----

From: afironhorse

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Fri, Nov 16 10:35 PM

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: “S” Gauge – Gilbert V the rest of the World













Alistair,

There are some subscribers, like myself, who are interested in

information like this. Thanks for the post.



David



-- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alistair McAllister" wrote:

>

> "S" Gauge – Gilbert V the rest of the World

> I have raised the subject of the difference in gauge between Gilbert

> S gauge track and that of the gauge used by other S gauge toy

> manufacturers in the rest of the World (France, Germany,

> Czechoslovakia, Japan & Britain) on a previous occasion.

> I observed that the Gilbert track was narrower than that used by the

> others and thought it might have been a measurement mistake on the

> part of Bub, the European pioneer, in copying Gilbert's track width.

> I now realize from looking at the S Scale standards that I was

> wrong. The shocking reality is that at a track gauge around 22.45 -

> 22.5 mm (0.884 inches), the rest of the world were on, or nearer to,

> the correct dimensions for a 1/64 model of the prototype standard

> gauge four foot eight and one half inch track! In fact on the width

> specified for S scale modeling. Gilberts 0.875 inch (or 22.225mm) is

> actually more like four foot six. Obviously the Germans with their

> usual clinical accuracy took the given scale of 1/64, converted four

> foot eight and a half inches to give them their model track width

> and assumed that the US manufacturer had done the same. Incidentally

> the crude British Palitoy models were slightly over 22.5 MM anyway.

> For what it is worth my problem is solved ,though I would suspect

> not too many subscribers to this board would care. Alistair

>






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45735 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 11/16/2007
Subject: Re: "S" Gauge - Gilbert V the rest of the World
You are right - dont know where my figures came from but the continetal meaurement is closer to four foot eight and a half. I am not saying Flyer did not make a good effort, I am just saying that the Germans (and hence everybody else) must have worked back from the prototype rather than copying Gilbert. At least Gilbert got the dimensions of the rolling stock around the scale - the other countries'stuff is all over the place from near 00 to close to O. Alistair
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Krischke
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "S" Gauge - Gilbert V the rest of the World


Are you sure about your figures? If we take the Gilbert inside rail distance of .875 inches, and multiply it by 64, we get 56 inches --- or 4 feet, 8 inches! Pretty damn close for a "toy" train! Ron Krischke (Retired electrical engineer in Springfield, IL.)
----- Original Message -----
From: Alistair McAllister
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 5:04 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] "S" Gauge - Gilbert V the rest of the World

"S" Gauge - Gilbert V the rest of the World
I have raised the subject of the difference in gauge between Gilbert
S gauge track and that of the gauge used by other S gauge toy
manufacturers in the rest of the World (France, Germany,
Czechoslovakia, Japan & Britain) on a previous occasion.
I observed that the Gilbert track was narrower than that used by the
others and thought it might have been a measurement mistake on the
part of Bub, the European pioneer, in copying Gilbert's track width.
I now realize from looking at the S Scale standards that I was
wrong. The shocking reality is that at a track gauge around 22.45 -
22.5 mm (0.884 inches), the rest of the world were on, or nearer to,
the correct dimensions for a 1/64 model of the prototype standard
gauge four foot eight and one half inch track! In fact on the width
specified for S scale modeling. Gilberts 0.875 inch (or 22.225mm) is
actually more like four foot six. Obviously the Germans with their
usual clinical accuracy took the given scale of 1/64, converted four
foot eight and a half inches to give them their model track width
and assumed that the US manufacturer had done the same. Incidentally
the crude British Palitoy models were slightly over 22.5 MM anyway.
For what it is worth my problem is solved ,though I would suspect
not too many subscribers to this board would care. Alistair
Group: S-Trains Message: 45736 From: Timboy Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: Re: Clearance take 2
Hey Mike,

Don't worry if you don't get it "right" the first time! Virtually no
one does unless they hold a master modeler's certificate. Scenery can
be de-constructed or modified as you go along. It's a little ugly, but
it can be done. My research tells me that even with guys who have had
a "permanent" RR for the past - say - twenty years, they didn't get
it "right" initially either and if you would see a pic of their RR now
vs. twenty years ago, I bet you would hardly recognize it! That's the
beauty of this hobby; a RR can be constructed relatively quickly yet
take a lifetime to perfect. It's kinda like the game of chess. I
started building my RR two years ago and already I am itching to
upgrade much of the initial scenery I did because I did it too hastily
and crudely. Enjoy!

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45737 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: Track Plans and scenery
Seeing the progress Mike is making brings me to thinking about track
planning and how scenery will fit in. As most of you know I've built
a lot of small display layouts, which allows one to learn a lot in a
short time (usually by making a lot of mistakes.)
I tend to look at a layout as a movie or stage set. What will it
look like to visitors and to me as I operate it? While view blocks
are useful, I don't want to have blind spots where I need to see
switching moves or structures. Therefore I generally like to run
a "backstretch" along the back of the layout and run mountains
in "front" of this, as a view block. This creates a simple effect
that makes the trains seem to "go somewhere" off the layout view.
For operating simplicity and to keep the "action" where it is easily
seen, I try to put all the switches and operating stuff toward the
front of the layout. It also puts these items in easier to reach
areas.
Since I adopted the stage set idea, my layouts improved quite a bit
operationally and visually.
This doesn't mean that this is the only way to design a layout, or
that I don't violate my own rules! This just seems to work out best
for me. Around the wall shelf layouts and very large layouts would
be somewhat different, but you still should consider how it will look
overall, and how easy it is to reach complicated track work and
operating things.
Stumpy Stone...addicted to trains since 1954, and not ready to be
cured.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45738 From: Laurin Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: Re: Wanting to convert to DCC.
Phil - Thanks for your reply to my inquiry. I see you were able
to convert a non-DCC SHS Consolidation to DCC with a kit. I sent an
inquiry to Showcase requesting info on their DCC kits. The
conversions I would like to start with are the SHS Consolidation and
an American Models SD60 (DC). I think these would be the simpliest to
start with. Has anyone had experienced converting the non-DCC A.M.
models to DCC??? If so I would appreciate any input regarding what
parts were used, what experiences/problems you had etc.. At this time
I am not contamplating converting any AFG or Flyonel.. Thanks again
to all who are replying and I hope this info becomes useful to others
as well as myself... Laurin..


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Laurin;
>
> Welcome to club DCC!
>
> You seem to be started out ok, by purchasing a DCC loco and starter
> kit, that will give you a good background.
>
> As for your conversions, start simple, like your AM SD60's. Save
the
> F7 for later... maybe a diesel Tsunami will be out by then so
provide
> some choice. In the meantime, Tim has good suggestions.
>
> For some rough background info, check the photos section on this
group,
> I have posted picks on converting 2 legacy AFG loco's, both with
> LokSound.
>
> If you have questions, ask, Tim has converted,,,, what --- 3 so
far??
>
> I have converted several to DCC,,,, 2 SHS SW1200 switchers (generic
> diesel, soundtraxx), 2 AM 4-6-2 steam (Tsunami), 1 AM E-8
(LokSound),
> AFG Hudson (Tsunami, electronic smoke unit), AFG Northern (Tsunami,
> electronic smoke), AFG Royal Blue (LokSound, electronic smoke, Bass
> Reflex speaker), AFG 342 0-8-0 (LokSound, electronic smoke, BR
speaker)
> (see the clips on youtube - search "barney6812" or "American Flyer
> 342"),,, I think that's it,,, oh yeah, SHS 2-8-0 non DCC to DCC
(that's
> just a plug & play with Don's kit),,, oh,, a Flyonel GP40 (digitrax
> motor control and piggybacked soundtraxx DSX)
>
> I'm holding back on my SHS F3 and F7,,, I may do something radical!!
>
> cheers
> phil d
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Laurin" <laurin0717@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All.. I see by many posts that some of you have already done
some
> S
> > guage DCC converstions. I am making to leap from AF compatible to
DCC
> > for Xmas. I am getting a Showcase 2-8-0 in DCC with the starter
DCC
> > kit. I would like to eventually convert the following to AF DCC
> > compatible: 2 American Models SD60s, Showcase F7 A-B-A and a non-
DCC
> 2-
> > 8-0. I realize the Lenz DCC Starter from Showcase will also need
> > upgrading eventually but for now it should be ok(this is
currently a
> > very small temporary layout). What I really would like to
see/have
> is
> > a parts list for each conversion and some estimate of cost for
the
> > parts. However all comments would be welcome, including
references to
> > already existing documentation. Thanks for any help!! Laurin
> (Texas0717)
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45739 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: Re: Clearance take 2
Thanks Tim.

I'm learning.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Timboy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 8:08 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Clearance take 2


Hey Mike,

Don't worry if you don't get it "right" the first time! Virtually no
one does unless they hold a master modeler's certificate. Scenery can
be de-constructed or modified as you go along. It's a little ugly, but
it can be done. My research tells me that even with guys who have had
a "permanent" RR for the past - say - twenty years, they didn't get
it "right" initially either and if you would see a pic of their RR now
vs. twenty years ago, I bet you would hardly recognize it! That's the
beauty of this hobby; a RR can be constructed relatively quickly yet
take a lifetime to perfect. It's kinda like the game of chess. I
started building my RR two years ago and already I am itching to
upgrade much of the initial scenery I did because I did it too hastily
and crudely. Enjoy!

S-Happens,
Tim Brown





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45740 From: John Degnan Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: ACSG Yahoo Group
Could someone please contact the owners of the ACSG Yahoo group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AtlanticCoastSGaugers) and have them contact me at scaler164@...? I have been trying for over two months to get approved for membership in that group, and the application runs out each time before it is answered by the powers that be.

Thanks.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45741 From: Greene, Michael Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: 2008 NASG National Convention
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

November 16, 2007

2008 NASG National Convention
www.nasg2008.com
August 5-10, 2008
Lowell, MA, USA



The 2008 NASG (National Association of S Gaugers) National Convention
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As an incentive to register early for the 2008 NASG National
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The winners and their prizes for the first three Monthly drawings are:

August:
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45742 From: Bill Drake Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: Re: "S" Gauge - Gilbert V the rest of the World
I am remembering something about locomotives coming from Europe to North America for exhibitions having to be re-gauged due to the North American standard of measuring gauge between the insides of the railheads and the European standard being railhead center to center. This would contribute some discrepancy in the model scaling as well.

Bill Drake

Alistair McAllister wrote:
> You are right - dont know where my figures came from but the continetal meaurement is closer to four foot eight and a half. I am not saying Flyer did not make a good effort, I am just saying that the Germans (and hence everybody else) must have worked back from the prototype rather than copying Gilbert. At least Gilbert got the dimensions of the rolling stock around the scale - the other countries'stuff is all over the place from near 00 to close to O. Alistair
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron Krischke
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 1:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "S" Gauge - Gilbert V the rest of the World
> Are you sure about your figures? If we take the Gilbert inside rail distance of .875 inches, and multiply it by 64, we get 56 inches --- or 4 feet, 8 inches! Pretty damn close for a "toy" train! Ron Krischke (Retired electrical engineer in Springfield, IL.)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alistair McAllister
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 5:04 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] "S" Gauge - Gilbert V the rest of the World
> "S" Gauge - Gilbert V the rest of the World
> I have raised the subject of the difference in gauge between Gilbert
> S gauge track and that of the gauge used by other S gauge toy
> manufacturers in the rest of the World (France, Germany,
> Czechoslovakia, Japan & Britain) on a previous occasion.
> I observed that the Gilbert track was narrower than that used by the
> others and thought it might have been a measurement mistake on the
> part of Bub, the European pioneer, in copying Gilbert's track width.
> I now realize from looking at the S Scale standards that I was
> wrong. The shocking reality is that at a track gauge around 22.45 -
> 22.5 mm (0.884 inches), the rest of the world were on, or nearer to,
> the correct dimensions for a 1/64 model of the prototype standard
> gauge four foot eight and one half inch track! In fact on the width
> specified for S scale modeling. Gilberts 0.875 inch (or 22.225mm) is
> actually more like four foot six. Obviously the Germans with their
> usual clinical accuracy took the given scale of 1/64, converted four
> foot eight and a half inches to give them their model track width
> and assumed that the US manufacturer had done the same. Incidentally
> the crude British Palitoy models were slightly over 22.5 MM anyway.
> For what it is worth my problem is solved ,though I would suspect
> not too many subscribers to this board would care. Alistair
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45743 From: David Dewey Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: Clearance Take 2
Mike & all,
Besides the swing out (and if you're going to run the AM Northern, I think
it swings out more than the ACG one), you also have to consider the "swing
in" of the passenger cars and other long cars (depressed center flat, etc.).
So I would take my longest engine on the inside track, and longest car on
the outside track and then allow a little extra for slop and tilting while
running. Hmm, I hope this is clear as mud! If you build any tunnels, don't
forget this too--I did once!
Hmm, just thinking, you might want to check the swing out of the long cars
and the swing in of the locomotive too (swap tracks). Remember these issues
too when setting trackside structures.
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45744 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: Re: Wanting to convert to DCC.
Lauren;

Maybe I should have been a little more clear. In my earlier reply,
AM is shorthand for American Models. I converted their E8, and 2 of
their 4-6-2's. For the E8 it's a pretty simple inventory,,, get a
decoder and a speaker and be creative. You can see a couple video
clips of my E8 with LokSound on YouTube if you want, I put directions
in the previous, and lower in this message. The steamers are a tad
more complicated, it's a good idea to have a relay for the smoke
unit. Save complicated for later. For steamer specifics contact me
off group.

For the SHS 2-8-0 conversion from LocoMatic to DCC, call Don at SHS
(aka S-Helper Service, aka Showcase Line) and tell him you want to
convert yours to DCC, and ask for the DCC circuit board with
docoder. He was nice enough to sell me one,,, guess about 8 or 10
months ago, or maybe it was last year, time flys, don't know of any
reason why he wouldn't sell one to you. All you need do is remove
the tender cover (follow the instructions provided both on line and I
believe in the manual), remove the locomatic sound board, plug the
DCC sound board in it's place, put in the 4 screws and put the tender
cover back on,,,, instant DCC conversion to Tsunami light steam.

For the AM conversions (diesel), you have to decide what decoder to
get, I have my opinions, and every other DCC fanatic has theirs.
Remove the shell, remove the original sound card, and a whole new
world awaits you. Save the vertical posts the sound card attaches
to, get some perfboard at radio shack, you can cut and shape the
perfboard, it's easy to attach to the original sound card attach
points, and it makes a great platform for holding the decoder. Space
required depends on the decoder. Space for the speaker takes
creativity, with LokSound standard 100 ohm speakers you have a lot of
options, with the bass reflex speaker (as in my clip), I could only
find one place for it, on it's side just aft of the front trucks on
the frame,,, but it sounds great!

Check out YouTube, search for "barney6812" it will pull up 5 video
clips. The E8 clips are LokSound Diesel, EMD phase 1, the
transistion is one I created using the LokProgrammer hardware. That
sound project is available in the yahoo LokSound files section. The
0-8-0 is also LokSound.

If you like the thought of LokSound conversion, and want pics,
contact me off group, I'll send you some,,,, of course, I haven't
seen inside the AM SD60, but my guess is they make them in a similar
way, the concept and approach should be the same. The inside ain't
pretty, but she runs great! If you want Tsunami install pics, I can
you some of those, but of course, Tsunami don't do diesel at this
point.

cheers
phil d

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Laurin" <laurin0717@...> wrote:
>
> Phil - Thanks for your reply to my inquiry. I see you were able
> to convert a non-DCC SHS Consolidation to DCC with a kit. I sent an
> inquiry to Showcase requesting info on their DCC kits. The
> conversions I would like to start with are the SHS Consolidation
and
> an American Models SD60 (DC). I think these would be the simpliest
to
> start with. Has anyone had experienced converting the non-DCC A.M.
> models to DCC??? If so I would appreciate any input regarding what
> parts were used, what experiences/problems you had etc.. At this
time
> I am not contamplating converting any AFG or Flyonel.. Thanks again
> to all who are replying and I hope this info becomes useful to
others
> as well as myself... Laurin..
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Laurin;
> >
> > Welcome to club DCC!
> >
> > You seem to be started out ok, by purchasing a DCC loco and
starter
> > kit, that will give you a good background.
> >
> > As for your conversions, start simple, like your AM SD60's. Save
> the
> > F7 for later... maybe a diesel Tsunami will be out by then so
> provide
> > some choice. In the meantime, Tim has good suggestions.
> >
> > For some rough background info, check the photos section on this
> group,
> > I have posted picks on converting 2 legacy AFG loco's, both with
> > LokSound.
> >
> > If you have questions, ask, Tim has converted,,,, what --- 3 so
> far??
> >
> > I have converted several to DCC,,,, 2 SHS SW1200 switchers
(generic
> > diesel, soundtraxx), 2 AM 4-6-2 steam (Tsunami), 1 AM E-8
> (LokSound),
> > AFG Hudson (Tsunami, electronic smoke unit), AFG Northern
(Tsunami,
> > electronic smoke), AFG Royal Blue (LokSound, electronic smoke,
Bass
> > Reflex speaker), AFG 342 0-8-0 (LokSound, electronic smoke, BR
> speaker)
> > (see the clips on youtube - search "barney6812" or "American
Flyer
> > 342"),,, I think that's it,,, oh yeah, SHS 2-8-0 non DCC to DCC
> (that's
> > just a plug & play with Don's kit),,, oh,, a Flyonel GP40
(digitrax
> > motor control and piggybacked soundtraxx DSX)
> >
> > I'm holding back on my SHS F3 and F7,,, I may do something
radical!!
> >
> > cheers
> > phil d
> >
> > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Laurin" <laurin0717@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All.. I see by many posts that some of you have already done
> some
> > S
> > > guage DCC converstions. I am making to leap from AF compatible
to
> DCC
> > > for Xmas. I am getting a Showcase 2-8-0 in DCC with the starter
> DCC
> > > kit. I would like to eventually convert the following to AF DCC
> > > compatible: 2 American Models SD60s, Showcase F7 A-B-A and a
non-
> DCC
> > 2-
> > > 8-0. I realize the Lenz DCC Starter from Showcase will also
need
> > > upgrading eventually but for now it should be ok(this is
> currently a
> > > very small temporary layout). What I really would like to
> see/have
> > is
> > > a parts list for each conversion and some estimate of cost for
> the
> > > parts. However all comments would be welcome, including
> references to
> > > already existing documentation. Thanks for any help!! Laurin
> > (Texas0717)
> > >
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45745 From: Scott Dollinger Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: Re: Clearance take 2
Folks,



I also found that a few of the odd freight cars can also be useful for rough
clearance.. Like the 944 crane car.and the long passenger cars check
clearance for the inside of the track well..



And don't forget to check tunnel width and height clearance..



Good luck



Scott Dee



-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:36 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Clearance take 2



Tim,

I forgot. As never being a operator before, I am learning the hard way, by
trail and error it seems. But it always seem to work out, as it did with the
problems I encountered with the table. I got those worked out.

I did exactly what you said with a Hudson, by looking at the front swing
out. I think I need to put a Northern on the track too!

Thanks,

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Timboy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:30 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Clearance take 2

Reply Part Two;

There are those will might want to site NMRA and/or NASG, etc. etc.
standards. That's nice if you have or ever want to have a public RR
or are adhering to a strict scale guideline for the sake of it. I
highly recommend you follow those guidelines if you can because you
never know which direction your hobby will take. However, if you
have to ask a basic clearance question, then you probably are not
that technically oriented to savor such - well - technicalities by
yourself at this time. That's not a slam against you, Mike, or
anyone else. It's just that I favor a more down-to-earth and
practical way of determining for myself what is right for my own RR
in my own house to please me - the operator. How do I do that? I do
that by setting up mock-ups on my RR. Good modelers not only follow
guidelines, they set up mock-ups. That tells them where things go.
I set up mock-ups or prototypes, if you will on my RR. For me - if
the mock-up is successful - that establishes a pattern by which I
then build. Will everything you own run on my RR? Prob'ly not
because I don't follow national design specs too much - other than
gauge. Will everything I own run on your RR? Prob'ly not for the
same reason. Do you want to have a good-running RR? Then follow
national specs if you can and/or otherwise take your own worse-case
scenario and be most generous. If you try to follow national specs,
then be prepared to wade through and follow to the letter, a bunch of
written technical data on angles, clearances, easements,
measurements, etc.

What I'm suggesting is a hands-on, trail-and-error approach that
demystifies the process for us less technically-oriented people.
IOW's - fake it.

S-Happens,
Tim Brown

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45746 From: Phil K Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: Re: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: 2008 NASG National Convention
This is meant to be a joke, yes?

> ------------
> Note 1: In compliance with Canadian law, Canadian residents, in
order
> to win the prize, must first correctly answer unaided, a
> time-limited, mathematical skill-testing question by phone at a
> pre-determined mutually convenient time or by mail/fax.
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45747 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/18/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45748 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: Re: New photo
Awesome!

MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d

3rd section of 4 x 8 has been completed.

Now I need to add the "trim" board, around the platform, put joint compound on the seams, paint the table top, stain the wood border and then I am ready to lay the track.

Mike Marmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 45749 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/17/2007
Subject: Re: New photo
Thanks Bob.

I made my little control table tonight.

Off to Home Depot tomorrow for a few more things.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Graves
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New photo


Awesome!

MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER <mlmarmer@...> wrote:
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d

3rd section of 4 x 8 has been completed.

Now I need to add the "trim" board, around the platform, put joint compound on the seams, paint the table top, stain the wood border and then I am ready to lay the track.

Mike Marmer





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45750 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Clearance Take 3
Mike and all,

If you are using predetermined radius track (that is not flex) then your
center to center spacing is a given, isn't it? Correct me if I'm wrong, but
I'm under the impression that 3", center to center, is pretty much standard
- except perhaps on hard-core scale layouts.

I'm not familiar with the ASG system, so I don't know what radii they offer
for track. I think I've heard their switches are a constant radius 27",
which makes me assume they are following the 3" spacing standard.

Tom Stoltz

Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork
Maine S Gaugers
NASG

www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45751 From: John Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: New "AF" Car Carriers
Hi All

I just posted some pictures of my new AM - Norfolk Southern and 2 of my
NEW "AF" Car Carriers. They look really nice behind the new engine. See
the folder "AF" Car Carriers

OK....OK.... so the car carriers are from the big "L".... they still
look nice on the AF trucks.

I will need to get trucks with a longer arm for the coupler or fashion a
replacement and probably add some weights to the underside as they are a
little top heavy. Any way, they will be a nice addition to my
layout..... (when it gets built next year)

The funny thing is the guy I bought them from swore up and down they
were worth $500 each in some book he found them in but then he turned
around and sold both of them to me for next to nothing and he was a big
"L" dealer....$500......yea right... !!

John Frankforther



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45752 From: Russ Dondero Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: Commercial - New Tank Cars
Thanks!

--- Lee Johnson <leemax@...> wrote:

> The white diamond with the a black "S" in the
> diamond represents the car is
> used for transporting sugar. These were not used
> in fuel service.
>
> Lee Johnson
>
>
> on 11/10/07 2:50 PM, Don Thompson at
> don@... wrote:
>
> Dear Russ,
> Black car with white lettering and with a white
> diamond on the dome
> and a black "S" in the middle of the diamond. I
> believe these are SP
> fuel cars.
> Don
>
> Russ Dondero wrote:
>
> >
> > What color scheme does the SP tank car have?
>
>
>
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> removed]
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45753 From: Russ Dondero Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: Commercial - New Tank Cars
Thanks Don... Have a great Turkey Day...

--- Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:

> Dear Russ,
> Black car with white lettering and with a white
> diamond on the dome
> and a black "S" in the middle of the diamond. I
> believe these are SP
> fuel cars.
> Don
>
> Russ Dondero wrote:
>
> >
> > What color scheme does the SP tank car have?
> >
> > --- dphobbies <dphobbies@...
> > <mailto:dphobbies%40earthlink.net>> wrote:
> >
> > > We are happy to announce that we have received a
> new
> > > shipment of S
> > > Scale America factory assembled 10,000 gal tank
> > > cars. They are our
> > > first tank cars to come with American Flyer
> > > compatible trucks and
> > > couplers installed and a set of scale wheels
> > > included in the box.
> > > It is our intention to do this on all new runs
> of
> > > cars. The paint
> > > schemes are a rerun of the ever popular UTLX
> Union
> > > Tank in six
> > > numbers, an all new Southern Pacific tank in six
> > > numbers and all new
> > > Simonin's beautiful orange and black tank in
> four
> > > numbers. All cars
> > > are $44.98 and are in stock for immediate
> delivery.
> > >
> > > For those that have been waiting for these, we
> thank
> > > you for your
> > > patience.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Ron Sebastian
> > > Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America
> > > 1468 Lee Street
> > > Des Plaines, IL 60018
> > > 1-847-297-2118 fax: 1-847-297-4976
> > >
> > >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45754 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: When will I ever learn?
I have a small track glitch on my little Fall/Halloween layout.
Kind of a dead spot. I thought I had the track all nice 'n tight.
When I run my 282 at slower speeds, you can hear the loco has a slight
hesitation at this spot. I tried to wiggle the track, and push it tighter
together, and wipe down the track, without disrupting the landscaping I've done.

Well today, I decided to clean the tender wheels. Ack! They looked pretty bad.
Problem solved!!

I've had this problem with my Christmas layouts. Always wiping the track, trying to figure out the problem......then I clean the tender wheels.
When will I ever learn?
They say "Live & Learn".........I just keep living! Hah!!

Rick.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45755 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: New "AF" Car Carriers
***(((I just posted some pictures of my new AM - Norfolk Southern and 2 of my
NEW "AF" Car Carriers. They look really nice behind the new engine. See
the folder "AF" Car Carriers))))****


John,
It's always nice to include a link. Some post photos at Yahoo and some at the
org/albums. :^)

Rick.




Enjoy thousands of great photos
at http://S-Scale.org/albums
Yahoo! Groups Links




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45756 From: Mike Rosz Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] ACSG Yahoo Group
I did nit find that a problem..
But I am not approved yet it is pending.
took two *2( minutes max.

On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:28:38 -0600 "John Degas" <Scale@compartment>
writes:
Could someone please contact the owners of the AC Yahoo group
(http://groups.yahoo/group/AtlanticCoastSGaugers) and have them contact
me at scaler164@...? I have been trying for over two months to
get approved for membership in that group, and the application runs out
each time before it is answered by the powers that be.

Thanks.

John Degnan
Scaler164@...

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45757 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: When will I ever learn?
In a message dated 11/18/2007 3:19:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bassflyer@... writes:

When will I ever learn?

Rick,

Get rid of those plastic car wheels, track will stay much cleaner.

Jim Lyle
Group: S-Trains Message: 45758 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/18/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45759 From: Timboy Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: New "AF" Car Carriers
Hi Rick,

AND any others who think they don't need to put up a link. Give us a
link or else it will sink!

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45760 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: When will I ever learn?
Ya know, I've heard that before. What is it with the plastic wheels
that makes the track dirty?
But I doubt I'll ever swap-out all of my rolling stock's wheels.

Rick.

Get rid of those plastic car wheels, track will stay much cleaner.

Jim Lyle




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45761 From: Cynthia Weber Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Train books and magazines for sale
I am selling books and magazines from my grandfather's train
collection. He collected from about 1910-1985. I have listed about 30
years of Railroad & Locomotive Historical Society Bulletin and a
number of books. I will be listing more until the collection is sold.

The link to the auction site is:
http://stores.bidville.com/shop/index.asp?index=4&storeID=13549

Cynthia Weber
Group: S-Trains Message: 45762 From: Timboy Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: When will I ever learn?
Hi,

Who knows (I imagine someone does and it will probably be a technical
point that will be beyond 99+% of us). Point is, they do. What are
you going to do about it? I am swapping all of them out - at least
that is my goal. How do I swap out the plastic pilot wheels??????????

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45763 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: When will I ever learn?
I am tempted to say the same thing that has plagued our athletes -
steroids. But if I did I would not be too far wrong phonetically at
least. The problem is the release lubricant used in the molding
process to get the molded items out of the hot pressure molds without
sticking. I believe it may be that old favourite from bakelite days -
Sodium Stearite (hope the spelling is right.) Problem is it adheres to
the plastic and if not cleaned off properly from the start (it would
appear a Gilbert failing) it forms a film that gradually finds its way
on to the track. If I am wrong (as usual) someone please correct me.
Alistair
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> wrote:
>
> Ya know, I've heard that before. What is it with the plastic wheels
> that makes the track dirty?
> But I doubt I'll ever swap-out all of my rolling stock's wheels.
>
> Rick.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45764 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: When will I ever learn?
In a message dated 11/18/2007 6:57:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bassflyer@... writes:

What is it with the plastic wheels
that makes the track dirty?

My guess is the oil in the plastic. When we started to run S-Helper cars on
the S layout at NTTM, we went from bi-weekly track cleaning to about 5 months
before anyone realized I WASN'T cleaning the track. Engines were serviced
regularly, just didn't need to clean track.

Jim Lyle



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45765 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: Clearance Take 3
Hi Tom,

I missed my trip to Maine again this year.

When the two switches are put together, on two main lines, allowing a train from one track to the other, the side by side is fine. But I think I need to have a 3" space between in the outside rail of the inside parallel curve, to the outside curve, inside rail. I have not finalized this, since I am still working on the table, doing the finishing work of cosmetic. Staining the wood border, sealing the plywood seams and then painting the table top.

By the way, www.classictrains.com has used some my pictures on my photo album, where I have track on the platform.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Stoltz
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 9:02 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Clearance Take 3


Mike and all,

If you are using predetermined radius track (that is not flex) then your
center to center spacing is a given, isn't it? Correct me if I'm wrong, but
I'm under the impression that 3", center to center, is pretty much standard
- except perhaps on hard-core scale layouts.

I'm not familiar with the ASG system, so I don't know what radii they offer
for track. I think I've heard their switches are a constant radius 27",
which makes me assume they are following the 3" spacing standard.

Tom Stoltz

Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork
Maine S Gaugers
NASG

www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45766 From: beebear Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: New "AF" Car Carriers
Sorry All

I forgot we have more than 1 place for pictures, here is the link

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos look under "AF" Car Carriers


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45767 From: roy inman Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: Train books and magazines for sale
Cynthia,

How are you disposing of his train collection? Or are you keeping the trains
in the family?

Roy Inman

From: Cynthia Weber <BellCanto@...>
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:10:45 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Train books and magazines for sale


I am selling books and magazines from my grandfather's train
collection. He collected from about 1910-1985. I have listed about 30
years of Railroad & Locomotive Historical Society Bulletin and a
number of books. I will be listing more until the collection is sold.

The link to the auction site is:
http://stores.bidville.com/shop/index.asp?index=4&storeID=13549
<http://stores.bidville.com/shop/index.asp?index=4&storeID=13549>

Cynthia Weber






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45768 From: Tom Hawley Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: New "AF" Car Carriers
----- Original Message -----
From: John
I just posted some pictures of my new AM - Norfolk Southern [SD-60].
> > > > > > > >
I was glad we were finally able to consummate that deal, since I do take
checks.
< < < < < < < <
and 2 of my NEW "AF" Car Carriers. See the folder "AF" Car Carriers
> > > > > > > >
If your messages come in the way mine do, you can also click that NEW PHOTOS
44 at the right on John's message. Sign in and John's pictures are the last
three on page 2.
< < < < < < < <
. . . . . . the car carriers are from the big "L".... they still look nice
on the AF trucks.
> >> > > > > > >
I've done a few of those. Putting vehicles on all three decks will make a
very top-heavy, unstable car. I recommend removing the top deck and using
it as a 2-decker for pick-up trucks and vans (as the real ones do). Or one
can do a lot of work and shorten all the vertical members and get the decks
down to the right height. Just use a good S scale compact car to judge how
much to lower the 2nd & 3rd deck.
< < < < < < < <
I will need to get trucks with a longer arm for the coupler. . . . . . . . .
> > > > > > > >
I mounted my trucks farther in and body-mounted KD couplers. For
longer-armed talgo couplers, I suggest SHS's caboose coupler , SHS item
00359. I have them in stock, could have sold you two pair today. But don't
ask me to look for them now, it's all back in the banana boxes till next
show.

Tom Hawley -- Lansing MIchigan
Group: S-Trains Message: 45769 From: Tom Hawley Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: New "AF" Car Carriers
----- Original Message -----
From: beebear
here is the link
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos

Also go farther down in that page to one called AUTORACKS. It's very much
related, shows real ones and converted from Lionel.

Tom Hawley
Group: S-Trains Message: 45770 From: tedcanflyer Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: colber
Could someone please tell me where I might find information on Colber
Accessories produced under their own name?
Thanks
Jim Schiele
83-19217

Hi Jim,

The best magazine articles about Colber and their products were in
CLASSIC TOY TRAINS, in back to back issues in 1993. I can't remember
the exact months,sorry. The two issues had the Colber story with plenty
of photos.

Ted in Canada
Group: S-Trains Message: 45771 From: Rob Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Smitty needs help
Hello everyone,

I bought some non-working Walking brakeman cars with hopes of learning
how they work and repairing them. I have 3 cars apart and for the life
of me I can't get them to turn around after they walk across the car
top. I adjusted their platforms (felt or some kind of pile) and have
made them quite speedy. I just can't figure why they won't turm around
and race back to the other side. I like tinkering but if anyone has a
trick or clue how to help them turn around I sure would appreciate the
help.

Thank you for any advice!

Rob
Group: S-Trains Message: 45772 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/18/2007
Subject: Re: When will I ever learn?
In a message dated 11/18/2007 4:58:21 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
bassflyer@... writes:




Ya know, I've heard that before. What is it with the plastic wheels
that makes the track dirty?
But I doubt I'll ever swap-out all of my rolling stock's wheels.

Rick.






Most folks, yep I said MOST folks OVERLUBRICATE their rolling stock and it
drips onto the track, picks up dust, dirt, grime from everywhere in and out of
sight and is transferred back onto the plastic wheels where it adheres as a
hardened black gunk. This in turn rolls back onto clean track as you run the
pieces. Solution is easy. Don't lube so much, it isn't necessary, clean off
all the plastic wheels by one of several good methods, and use a track cleaning
car that really works to keep it from happening all over again as you ignore
the over lubrication advice just given.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise.nd usewith



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45773 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: When will I ever learn?
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 11/18/2007 4:58:21 P.M. Mountain Standard
Time,
> bassflyer@... writes:
>
>
> This is true buttttt - Flyer has that endearing additional little
quality, of muck from the release agent in the wheels. This is the
same stuff that turns the couplers white and siezes them up.Alistair

> Most folks, yep I said MOST folks OVERLUBRICATE their rolling
stock and it
> drips onto the track, picks up dust, dirt, grime from everywhere
in and out of
> sight and is transferred back onto the plastic wheels where it
adheres as a
> hardened black gunk. This in turn rolls back onto clean track as
you run the
> pieces. Solution is easy. Don't lube so much, it isn't necessary,
clean off
> all the plastic wheels by one of several good methods, and use a
track cleaning
> car that really works to keep it from happening all over again as
you ignore
> the over lubrication advice just given.
>
> Steve
> SnS Trains
> Boise.nd usewith
Group: S-Trains Message: 45774 From: velapoldi Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: colber
Didn't someone just ask the same question and another member of this
group did a google search and found lots of info on Colber? Possibly
trying the same thing will help find information.
rance velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

tedcanflyer wrote:
>
> Could someone please tell me where I might find information on Colber
> Accessories produced under their own name?
> Thanks
> Jim Schiele
> 83-19217
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> The best magazine articles about Colber and their products were in
> CLASSIC TOY TRAINS, in back to back issues in 1993. I can't remember
> the exact months,sorry. The two issues had the Colber story with plenty
> of photos.
>
> Ted in Canada
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45775 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: #23040 for sale?
I have been considering selling an A.F. #23040 Mountain, Tunnel & Pass Set from 1958. However, when I check any price guides (old or new) I get no help. It is shown as a 5 with no sales to judge a price. Any thoughts on this item? I also have the black trestles that went with it.

Thanks,

Mike Leahy
Group: S-Trains Message: 45776 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: When will I ever learn?
In a message dated 11/18/2007 8:03:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Timboy@... writes:

How do I swap out the plastic pilot wheels??????????

Working on that one on the Keystone Main

Jim Lyle



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45777 From: clifma19@cox.net Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: Smitty needs help
If you have not replaced the surface on the bottom of the traveling arm, I would do so. They are not expensive and on mine were the problem. They are available from any of the parts people.

Clifford Manning
Topeka, KS

---- Rob <colleenandrob@...> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I bought some non-working Walking brakeman cars with hopes of learning
> how they work and repairing them. I have 3 cars apart and for the life
> of me I can't get them to turn around after they walk across the car
> top. I adjusted their platforms (felt or some kind of pile) and have
> made them quite speedy. I just can't figure why they won't turm around
> and race back to the other side. I like tinkering but if anyone has a
> trick or clue how to help them turn around I sure would appreciate the
> help.
>
> Thank you for any advice!
>
> Rob
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45778 From: Greene, Michael Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: 2008 NASG National Convention
Alas no -- although I am not a lawyer, but as I best understand it
Canada has certain laws on the books related to contests and games of
chance, and although I doubt we would be subject to prosecution, I
would like to try to make sure that we don't run afoul of the
Canadian laws. My observation is that such a "fine-print" rule is
very common in contests that cross the border to the north. There is
some basic info in the Wiki at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skill_testing_question

and more detail in the article's external link...

Regards
Michael

At 11/17/2007 04:30 PM, Phil K wrote:
>This is meant to be a joke, yes?
>
> > ------------
> > Note 1: In compliance with Canadian law, Canadian residents, in
>order
> > to win the prize, must first correctly answer unaided, a
> > time-limited, mathematical skill-testing question by phone at a
> > pre-determined mutually convenient time or by mail/fax.
> >
> >

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Michael Greene Dunstable, MA, USA
Member: NMRA(Life), NASG, Bristol S Gaugers, The 470 Railroad Club

National Assoc. of S Gaugers http://www.nasg.org
DCC Corner http://www.dccinfo.com
Maine Railroads http://www.mainerailroads.org
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45779 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: On30
Some time ago some one changed out the HO trucks for "S" on On30 fright
cars. which type of trucks did you use??
Jerry 77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 45780 From: The LANIERs Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: #23040 for sale?
There is one selling now on Ebay; up to $280.

paflyrman
----- Original Message -----
From: Ruth A Leahy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:01 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] #23040 for sale?


I have been considering selling an A.F. #23040 Mountain, Tunnel & Pass Set from 1958. However, when I check any price guides (old or new) I get no help. It is shown as a 5 with no sales to judge a price. Any thoughts on this item? I also have the black trestles that went with it.

Thanks,

Mike Leahy




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45781 From: lember2004 Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: #23040 for sale?
A 23040 in C9+ condition with a box described as a 'brick' sold in the
Stout auction at the end of October for $1,650 [plus buyer's fee of
10 - 17%]. Mark

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> wrote:
>
> I have been considering selling an A.F. #23040 Mountain, Tunnel &
Pass Set from 1958. However, when I check any price guides (old or
new) I get no help. It is shown as a 5 with no sales to judge a
price. Any thoughts on this item? I also have the black trestles
that went with it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Leahy
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45782 From: Larry Moore Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: #23040 for sale?
Mike, I may be mistaken but I believe just the tunnel and pass piece just sold on Ebay for $280.00, just a few days ago. Larry


To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: ruth.leahy@...: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:01:24 -0700Subject: [S-Trains] #23040 for sale?




I have been considering selling an A.F. #23040 Mountain, Tunnel & Pass Set from 1958. However, when I check any price guides (old or new) I get no help. It is shown as a 5 with no sales to judge a price. Any thoughts on this item? I also have the black trestles that went with it.Thanks,Mike Leahy






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45783 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: On30 conversion to S
***((((Some time ago some one changed out the HO trucks for "S" on On30 fright
cars. which type of trucks did you use??
Jerry 77-11644)))*****


Jerry,
I use SHS's Andrews 50 ton trucks.
Check out: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/on3/on3.html
and: http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer_004/

Rick.



Enjoy thousands of great photos
at http://S-Scale.org/albums
Yahoo! Groups Links




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45784 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: When will I ever learn?
And a leaky smoke unit doesn't help!!!

Rick.






Most folks, yep I said MOST folks OVERLUBRICATE their rolling stock and it
drips onto the track, picks up dust, dirt, grime from everywhere in and out of
sight and is transferred back onto the plastic wheels where it adheres as a
hardened black gunk. This in turn rolls back onto clean track as you run the
pieces. Solution is easy. Don't lube so much, it isn't necessary, clean off
all the plastic wheels by one of several good methods, and use a track cleaning
car that really works to keep it from happening all over again as you ignore
the over lubrication advice just given.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise.nd usewith



************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com


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Enjoy thousands of great photos
at http://S-Scale.org/albums
Yahoo! Groups Links




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45785 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: On30
In a message dated 11/19/2007 11:40:43 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
grdobbs@... writes:

Some time ago some one changed out the HO trucks for "S" on On30 fright
cars. which type of trucks did you use??
Jerry 77-11644



I have done several and used the SHS Andrews trucks.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45786 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} GG-1 in Lightning Stripes....?
In a message dated 11/19/2007 3:37:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Loizeaux@... writes:

GG-1 that actually got
stopped dead in it's tracks by some small powdery snowflakes. A big fit
with no start. With the NYC's superior under-da-3rd-rail contact system

Ed,

What ACTUALLY happened, fine powdery snow blew into the HIGH vents on the
sides of the "motors" ( ALL electrics were called motors on the STANDARD RAILROAD
OF THE WORLD ). The snow shorted out key components and stalled the G's.
Being the great BROAD WAY railroad, the PRR dispatched diesels and dragged the
G's, with their trains, in as fast as they could. A different air filtration
system was soon devised and they ran MILLIONS more miles for the greatest
railroad ever known to man. Had nothing to do with the catenary (which is still
in use today). This occurred in February of 1958, we had 20 feet of snow in
parts of our driveway, across the road from the "BroadWay". The BIG snow
occurred less than a month later in March of 1958. Parts of Lancaster County PA
were out of electricity for three and four weeks. EX-Military fire trucks
were the only fire trucks to get thru for days IF they followed Dodge Power
Wagons!!!

Jim "shovelled TOO much snow on the Keystone Main" Lyle



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45787 From: barb Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Defender Set
Hi Rick,



Since you posted this link to the defender set, I have been checking it daily.

Today when I clicked on the link (selling ended today) the message I got

from ebay was that it was removed and is no longer for sale. Interesting!!!



Anyone have any idea what happened to it?



Thanks... Barb




BG1's link...fixed.

http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-No-20525-DEFENDER-Set-TimeCapsuleNIB_W0QQitemZ150182260459QQihZ005QQcategoryZ480QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Don Rodgers Sr." <drmusic244@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi to all, I'm trying to find the US NAVY 24557 or 24572 flatcar
with the
> Jeeps...Please let me know if anyone would like to part with
one...Thank
> You, Don Rodgers..drmusic244@...
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45788 From: beebear Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: New photo album
Thanks Rick

I got on there and started adding my pictures to my new album. More to add as time permits


http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/Johntech_2007/



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45789 From: Phil K Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} GG-1 in Lightning Stripes....?
Hey Jim, I think there STILL are a lot of parts of Lancaster County
that don't have electricity, from what I saw the last time I was there.

Phil K

This occurred in February of 1958, we had 20 feet of snow in
> parts of our driveway, across the road from the "BroadWay". The
BIG snow
> occurred less than a month later in March of 1958. Parts of
Lancaster County PA
> were out of electricity for three and four weeks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45790 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: Defender Set
It will be the usual - "broken or stolen" (someone made an offer).
Alistair
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, barb <rcespeak@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Rick,
>
>
>
> Since you posted this link to the defender set, I have been
checking it daily.
>
> Today when I clicked on the link (selling ended today) the message
I got
>
> from ebay was that it was removed and is no longer for sale.
Interesting!!!
>
>
>
> Anyone have any idea what happened to it?
>
>
>
> Thanks... Barb
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45791 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} GG-1 in Lightning Stripes....?
In a message dated 11/19/2007 8:36:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
waldootten@... writes:

Hey Jim, I think there STILL are a lot of parts of Lancaster County
that don't have electricity, from what I saw the last time I was there.

Absolutely true--those who choose to live without the modern conveniences pay
far more for that option than those of us who do have electricity, to name
one. To each, his own.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING

Jim Lyle
Group: S-Trains Message: 45792 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} GG-1 in Lightning Stripes....?
And the TCA Museum in Lancaster (Strasburg) does not have running water!

Outhouses are outside on the parking lot!

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil K
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:34 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: {S-Scale List} GG-1 in Lightning Stripes....?


Hey Jim, I think there STILL are a lot of parts of Lancaster County
that don't have electricity, from what I saw the last time I was there.

Phil K

This occurred in February of 1958, we had 20 feet of snow in
> parts of our driveway, across the road from the "BroadWay". The
BIG snow
> occurred less than a month later in March of 1958. Parts of
Lancaster County PA
> were out of electricity for three and four weeks.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45793 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Larry,

I just looked at your restored Branford Diner.

What a great job you did on that diner.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Moore
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:38 AM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Before and After Branford Diner


To all, Sorry the pics of the Branford Diner are under aftrainco at s-trains photos. Larry

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: cesmith@...: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:48:11 -0400Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Before and After Branford Diner

I went to the S-Trains photo site and could not find an album or photo byLarry Moore.Chuck Smithhttp://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/cesmith@..._____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On BehalfOf Larry MooreSent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:37 PMTo: s-trainsSubject: [S-Trains] Before and After Branford DinerTo the group, Please check out my restoration of a Branford Diner at ours-trains photo site. Thanks go to Doug Peck for the lettering and new windowinserts. I hate to see any Flyer piece trashed so I feel compelled torestore them when I can. I know it doesn't set well with some ACG purists,but I can afford to have them when I can buy them in the shape this one was.I welcome all comments both good and bad . Thanks, Larry Moore
Group: S-Trains Message: 45794 From: George Cohn Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: Re: Defender Set
barb wrote:
>
>
> Hi Rick,
>
> Since you posted this link to the defender set, I have been checking it
> daily.
>
> Today when I clicked on the link (selling ended today) the message I got
>
> from ebay was that it was removed and is no longer for sale. Interesting!!!
>
> Anyone have any idea what happened to it?
>

Usually if the link says it was removed, it may have been a scam. I run
a car list and we report them all of the time.

Someone sees something of great value on a website, downloads the
pictures and using a stolen eBay account lists them, usually with some
weird requirement like Western Union money transfer or contact me off
eBay. They get your money, you get nothing.

Recently eBay added a "classified ads" section. All transactions are
done outside of eBay, they just provide a web space for you to list the
item and contact info. No feedback, no buyer protection. It's a
scammers paradise and they get paid for listing the "ad".

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 45795 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/19/2007
Subject: For sale: rare 930 Tuscan Caboose with riveted lamp
#930 Tuscan Caboose with riveted light socket, made only in 1957. Among the rarest of Gilbert cabooses, this Tuscan #930 that has the light socket riveted to the floor. You have to take the body off to change the bulb. It is in pristine Excellent condition. The original sticker is in place. Sorry, I don't have the box. The 2006 Greenberg lists it at $150 and the 2005 Price Update from Bangzoom's Train Tracker software lists it at $275. High resolution pictures are on my website:

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale.html

Make me an offer.

That webpage also lists a 916 gondola that has lost its canisters.

Finally, I have two Flyonel NIB cars to sell. I have checked and they are indeed new in the box. Both are from Lionel's 2006 catalog. I'm offering them at the pre-order price of 10% off list.

48735 Burlington Extended Vision Caboose List Price $54.99; asking $49.49
49031 Great Northern Walking Brakeman Boxcar List Price $79.99; asking $71.99

Pictures are also on the same web page.


The caboose is interesting - when I took it out of the box, I was surprised how heavy it was. It's the first of the new cabooses that I've seen - a new and different design. Very solid and impressive. The roof lifts off to make bulb replacement easy.

Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45796 From: Timboy Date: 11/20/2007
Subject: Enhanced Baldwin Project
Hi Folks,

I just completed a make-over to a junker Baldwin. The re-paint I did
about a year ago. Both the DCC and coupler conversions are recent.
I don't recall of anyone else on this List ever making a post about
doing a conversion to a Baldwin quite like this, although there have
been excellent pics posted of other bashed Baldwins, so maybe I am
the first - the first anyway to show this kind of result, I think.
Anyway, the coupler conversion was a lot easier than I thought it
would be. I used a piece of wood the right thickness for a bolster
to fit between the steps under each platform end. I glued it in
place, then used a very small drill bit to make a pilot hole for the
Kadee self-tapping screws to hold the bolster to the plastic. Then I
used the same technique to mount the S-Helper Kadee to the bolster.
A little dab of paint and we are ready for some action! The wooden
bolster provides a solid mount for the coupler at NMRA height spec,
so it couples up nicely with all other rolling stock that is NMRA
compliant. I suppose I could have used Kadee #5 couplers, but
these "shory" S-Helper Kadees are perfect for this application. They
work flawlessly and "gather" nicely. I'm resisting the urge to re-
paint the Kadees because I think the paint will gum them up.
Besides, what's wrong with rusty-looking couplers? I plan on using
this procedure for my GP7's and Alcos. Here is a link to a couple
pics:

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/bc2b

Otherwise, just go to the very end of the photo section, then back up
to "Tim Brown's Work In Progress" if you want to take a look.

I'm also thinking there could be more detail added to the shell. If
anyone has done this, please post a pic or two and let us know how
you did it!

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45797 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/20/2007
Subject: GG-1 in Lightning Stripes....?
And the TCA Museum in Lancaster (Strasburg) does not have running water!


We DO have running water, not usable inside facilities. The beauty of
politics.

Jim Lyle
Group: S-Trains Message: 45798 From: Larry Moore Date: 11/20/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Mike, Thank you for the favorable comment. I can't stand to see these "Classics" thrown away. I try to restore them every chance I get. A mint original with box just sold on Ebay for $395.00, and it did not look any better than mine. The one I restored is all original parts with the exception of sign, window inserts, graphics and paint. I have about $40.00 in this one. Have a Great Thanksgiving. Thanks again, Larry



To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: mlmarmer@...: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:09:24 -0500Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Before and After Branford Diner




Larry,I just looked at your restored Branford Diner.What a great job you did on that diner.Mike Marmer----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Moore To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:38 AMSubject: RE: [S-Trains] Before and After Branford DinerTo all, Sorry the pics of the Branford Diner are under aftrainco at s-trains photos. LarryTo: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: cesmith@...: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:48:11 -0400Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Before and After Branford DinerI went to the S-Trains photo site and could not find an album or photo byLarry Moore.Chuck Smithhttp://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/cesmith@..._____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On BehalfOf Larry MooreSent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:37 PMTo: s-trainsSubject: [S-Trains] Before and After Branford DinerTo the group, Please check out my restoration of a Branford Diner at ours-trains photo site. Thanks go to Doug Peck for the lettering and new windowinserts. I hate to see any Flyer piece trashed so I feel compelled torestore them when I can. I know it doesn't set well with some ACG purists,but I can afford to have them when I can buy them in the shape this one was.I welcome all comments both good and bad . Thanks, Larry Moore
Group: S-Trains Message: 45799 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/20/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Larry,

Looking at the redone diner, you could not tell that it was such a mess when you got it.

From the pictures, it looks like a like new piece.

Just a well done job.

You have a great Thanksgiving too.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Moore
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; mlmarmer@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 11:26 AM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Before and After Branford Diner


Mike, Thank you for the favorable comment. I can't stand to see these "Classics" thrown away. I try to restore them every chance I get. A mint original with box just sold on Ebay for $395.00, and it did not look any better than mine. The one I restored is all original parts with the exception of sign, window inserts, graphics and paint. I have about $40.00 in this one. Have a Great Thanksgiving. Thanks again, Larry






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To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: mlmarmer@...
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:09:24 -0500
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Before and After Branford Diner

Larry,

I just looked at your restored Branford Diner.

What a great job you did on that diner.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Moore
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:38 AM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Before and After Branford Diner

To all, Sorry the pics of the Branford Diner are under aftrainco at s-trains photos. Larry

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: cesmith@...: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:48:11 -0400Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Before and After Branford Diner

I went to the S-Trains photo site and could not find an album or photo byLarry Moore.Chuck Smithhttp://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/cesmith@..._____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On BehalfOf Larry MooreSent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:37 PMTo: s-trainsSubject: [S-Trains] Before and After Branford DinerTo the group, Please check out my restoration of a Branford Diner at ours-trains photo site. Thanks go to Doug Peck for the lettering and new windowinserts. I hate to see any Flyer piece trashed so I feel compelled torestore them when I can. I know it doesn't set well with some ACG purists,but I can afford to have them when I can buy them in the shape this one was.I welcome all comments both good and bad . Thanks, Larry Moore





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45800 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/20/2007
Subject: Re: Defender Set
Not sure Barb.
I wasn't following the auction. I only fixed the link.

Rick.



Hi Rick,



Since you posted this link to the defender set, I have been checking it daily.

Today when I clicked on the link (selling ended today) the message I got

from ebay was that it was removed and is no longer for sale. Interesting!!!



Anyone have any idea what happened to it?



Thanks... Barb




BG1's link...fixed.

http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-No-20525-DEFENDER-Set-TimeCapsuleNIB_W0QQitemZ150182260459QQihZ005QQcategoryZ480QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Don Rodgers Sr." <drmusic244@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi to all, I'm trying to find the US NAVY 24557 or 24572 flatcar
with the
> Jeeps...Please let me know if anyone would like to part with
one...Thank
> You, Don Rodgers..drmusic244@...
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45801 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/20/2007
Subject: Swapping wheels
Tim,
How are ya swappin' them out?
New trucks AND wheels? Just the wheels? Axles?

Rick.


Who knows (I imagine someone does and it will probably be a technical
point that will be beyond 99+% of us). Point is, they do. What are
you going to do about it? I am swapping all of them out - at least
that is my goal. How do I swap out the plastic pilot wheels??????????

S-Happens,
Tim Brown



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45802 From: James Hannawald Date: 11/20/2007
Subject: SHS Track and AF Accessories
I finally got the SHS track laid and the accessories wired from the earlier posts requesting photos I added the final project photo to http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/Jim+Hannawald/?g2_page=3

Again thanks to those who cpmmneted on this.

Jim

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45803 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/20/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Great job on the diner!!!

Rick.








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To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
From: mlmarmer@...
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:09:24 -0500
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Before and After Branford Diner

Larry,

I just looked at your restored Branford Diner.

What a great job you did on that diner.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Moore
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:38 AM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Before and After Branford Diner

To all, Sorry the pics of the Branford Diner are under aftrainco at s-trains photos. Larry

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: cesmith@...: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:48:11 -0400Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Before and After Branford Diner

I went to the S-Trains photo site and could not find an album or photo byLarry Moore.Chuck Smithhttp://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/cesmith@..._____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On BehalfOf Larry MooreSent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:37 PMTo: s-trainsSubject: [S-Trains] Before and After Branford DinerTo the group, Please check out my restoration of a Branford Diner at ours-trains photo site. Thanks go to Doug Peck for the lettering and new windowinserts. I hate to see any Flyer piece trashed so I feel compelled torestore them when I can. I know it doesn't set well with some ACG purists,but I can afford to have them when I can buy them in the shape this one was.I welcome all comments both good and bad . Thanks, Larry Moore





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45804 From: innotron Date: 11/20/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
Larry,
Very nice job on the diner, and a bargain at that! I especially enjoy before and after pictures because they show what can be accomplished with trashed items.
Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Moore
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; mlmarmer@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:26 AM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Before and After Branford Diner


Mike, Thank you for the favorable comment. I can't stand to see these "Classics" thrown away. I try to restore them every chance I get. A mint original with box just sold on Ebay for $395.00, and it did not look any better than mine. The one I restored is all original parts with the exception of sign, window inserts, graphics and paint. I have about $40.00 in this one. Have a Great Thanksgiving. Thanks again, Larry


To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: mlmarmer@...: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:09:24 -0500Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Before and After Branford Diner

Larry,I just looked at your restored Branford Diner.What a great job you did on that diner.Mike Marmer----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Moore To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:38 AMSubject: RE: [S-Trains] Before and After Branford DinerTo all, Sorry the pics of the Branford Diner are under aftrainco at s-trains photos. LarryTo: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: cesmith@...: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:48:11 -0400Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Before and After Branford DinerI went to the S-Trains photo site and could not find an album or photo byLarry Moore.Chuck Smithhttp://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/cesmith@..._____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On BehalfOf Larry MooreSent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:37 PMTo: s-trainsSubject: [S-Trains] Before and After Branford DinerTo the group, Please check out my restoration of a Branford Diner at ours-trains photo site. Thanks go to Doug Peck for the lettering and new windowinserts. I hate to see any Flyer piece trashed so I feel compelled torestore them when I can. I know it doesn't set well with some ACG purists,but I can afford to have them when I can buy them in the shape this one was.I welcome all comments both good and bad . Thanks, Larry Moore





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45805 From: Jon Marinello Date: 11/20/2007
Subject: Out-Of-Stock SHS Reefers and Steel Rebuilts for sale
I got laid off so time to sell more of my SHS collection...

New S-Helper Sevice #00801 Reefer NWX 85353
New S-Helper Sevice #00802 Reefer URTX 91168
New S-Helper Sevice #00800 Reefer OREX 90104
New S-Helper Sevice #00502 Reefer Atlantic & Pacific
New S-Helper Sevice #00700 Reefer Canadian National #2
New S-Helper Sevice #00504 Reefer Old Heidelberg Beer
New S-Helper Sevice #00493 Reefer N. West. Ref. Line #1
New S-Helper Sevice #00518 Reefer Parrot Potatoes
New S-Helper Sevice #00487 Reefer Gerber
New S-Helper Sevice #00133 Steel Rebuilt Xm ATSF 148231
New S-Helper Sevice #00572 Reefer RP MRS 5585
New S-Helper Sevice #00134 Steel Rebuilt Xm ATSF 148341
New S-Helper Sevice #00521 RBLT PRR Merchandise Service
New S-Helper Sevice #00135 Steel Rebuilt Xm Vermont 501
New S-Helper Sevice #00127 Steel Rebuilt Xm DL&W 48001
New S-Helper Sevice #00126 Steel Rebuilt Xm CNW 65111
New S-Helper Sevice #00347 Steel Rebuilt Xm GN #2
New S-Helper Sevice #00346 Steel Rebuilt Xm GN #1

All on ebay. Search for "items by seller" "jmarinello" to bid. No
reserve!

Or paste this link into your
browser: "http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZjmarinelloQQfrppZ50QQfsopZ1
QQfsooZ1QQrdZ0"

All auctions start at $9.95.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45806 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/20/2007
Subject: American Flyer No 20525 Defender Set is up again
The Defender set is back on ebay.

I am sure he had a good reason to take it off the first time.

The description mentions that he lists it again.

Mike Marmer
http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-No-20525-DEFENDER-Set-Time-Capsule-NIB_W0QQitemZ150185985753QQihZ005QQcategoryZ480QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45807 From: David Dewey Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Bradford Dinner Rebuild
Larry,
Hmm, not the first dinner I've seen rebuilt after a grease fire. . . .
At least when we stop in there, won't have to worry about rats or
cockroaches for a while! :)
Great Job, can I send you mint that needs a similar rebuild? (except I have
to graft an end on mine, the fire department got carried away with the fire
axes!--Must have had Ed on the crew! :) Heh, heh heh! eh?).
BTW, Happy Thanksgiving to all!
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45808 From: Les Mavor Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Photo Op
Hi, S modelers.

We are preparing to re-issue our catalogue. Because of the number of
photo backdrop kits we now offer, and associated mailing costs for
one "heavy" catalogue, we are planning to split into 3 smaller scale-
oriented ones:
Large Scales (S, O, G and related)
HO
Small Scales (Z, N, TT and related)

WHY THIS POSTING?
Many participants in this forum have used and enjoyed our products
over the years. We like to showcase your efforts, both
through "SceniKing in Action" on our web site, and now in our new
scale-related catalogues. Photo credit is always given.
We are inviting you to send us, by e-mail or snail mail, good quality
photos of your work showing SceniKing backdrops in action on your
layout. From all photos received, we plan to use at least one on the
cover of the catalogue featuring the scale shown in the photo, and
will pay the owner of that photo US$100 for their time and effort.
Other photos received would be posted on our web site as space
allows. If you have any questions or suggestions, please contact us,
and thank you for your interest.

Les Mavor,
Managing Director,
BPH Enterprises
www.sceniking.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 45809 From: roy inman Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: Bradford Dinner Rebuild
Not the best speller am I, but isn't a "dinner" what one eats and isn't a
"diner" where one eats it?

Roy Inman

From: David Dewey <djdewey@...>
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:16:52 -0800
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Bradford Dinner Rebuild


Larry,
Hmm, not the first dinner I've seen rebuilt after a grease fire. . . .
At least when we stop in there, won't have to worry about rats or
cockroaches for a while! :)
Great Job, can I send you mint that needs a similar rebuild? (except I have
to graft an end on mine, the fire department got carried away with the fire
axes!--Must have had Ed on the crew! :) Heh, heh heh! eh?).
BTW, Happy Thanksgiving to all!
S'
David D.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45810 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Tenders
Did the 21139 and 21140 have plastic or metal tenders?

Thanks,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45811 From: Scale S Only Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: Bradford Dinner Rebuild
Yup, it's dinner in the diner...

Have fun!
Bill Winans

Not the best speller am I, but isn't a "dinner" what one eats and isn't a
"diner" where one eats it?

Roy Inman

Larry,
Hmm, not the first dinner I've seen rebuilt after a grease fire. . . .
At least when we stop in there, won't have to worry about rats or
cockroaches for a while! :)
Group: S-Trains Message: 45812 From: The LANIERs Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: Tenders
Mine have metal tenders. although I have heard some had plastic, I have never seen any.

paflyrman
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 12:04 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Tenders


Did the 21139 and 21140 have plastic or metal tenders?

Thanks,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45813 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: Tenders
I have a 21140 with a plastic tender. The first time that I ran it, I had like 24 cars behind it. The e-unit slammed into reverse, on its own, and wow, did things go flying. Broke 2 steps off the tender. It was an E prior to this. LESSON: always lock the e-unit on the two-step e-units-John Marganski



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45814 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Converting to Kadee can get tricky, new photo album for one solution
All;

In the spirit of sharing my madness (it's Tim Brown's fault btw), and
also for those perhaps interested in the delight of Kadee couplers on
your pike, I've added some photos in the photo section regarding
converting an American Models E8 to Kadee.

Seems simple right? Wrong. Due to the length of the E8, and the
fact the rear trucks are set forward of the aft end of the loco by a
good distance, the hang over presents some problems.

Since my layout is pure Gilbert based, and it's crammed into a
working garage, I'm using standard Gilbert radius track and
switches. So, when running the E8, there is a significant amount of
E8 that hangs out over the outside of the turn direction. So much so
infact, that when I applied the kadee, it happily not only failed to
negotiate a curve with an attached car, it rolled it right off the
rails!

First I tried modifying a coupler by removing side plates so it could
pivot much further than the normal angles allowed. This worked, but
it was ugly, and reversing with cars wasn't very reliable.

I came up with the idea of allowing the kadee coupler to translate
laterally across about 1/2 the width of the loco, and it works
wonderfully. Handles back to back switches, S curvers, and reversing.

Check out the photos. The slider is made of brass tubing, with a
larger diameter that slides over the first, brackets hold it off the
frame enough to get the proper kadee mounting height, and in
operation it positions itself based on amount of turn.

Why you might ask? Because I'm here to tell you, original AFG
rolling stock riding on SHS trucks and equipped with Kadee couplers
really looks great, and rolls so much better, that when coupled to a
DCC loco fun just gets to be more fun. what can I say? I'm hooked.

Happy Thanksgiving
phil d
Group: S-Trains Message: 45815 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: Tenders
Thanks for the two responses about the tenders, as I thought they where.

I am going back and forth with a O guager about Lionel and AF tenders, as I told him that the Hudson in 1958 went to a plastic tender and how the steps broke off. He was amazed about the AF tenders being die cast from the beginning with the steps being part of the die cast. He tells me that Lionel steps where screw into the tender.

So, now I wonder why AF had the Hudson go to a plastic tender in 58 but not the Northern engine.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: The LANIERs
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tenders


Mine have metal tenders. although I have heard some had plastic, I have never seen any.

paflyrman
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 12:04 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Tenders

Did the 21139 and 21140 have plastic or metal tenders?

Thanks,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45816 From: Larry Moore Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving
To all: Just wanted to express my thanks to a great group. When someone has a question, the wealth of knowlege present has an answer. We can always count on Stumpy for a laugh, and if we don't like what is being discussed, we can go play with our trains. Hope everyone has a safe and wonderful Thanksgiving. Thanks to all, Larry
Group: S-Trains Message: 45817 From: Timboy Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: Converting to Kadee can get tricky, new photo album for one solu
Folks,

I confess I had to read through Phil's posting a couple times and take
a good look at his pics to get what he did. Brilliant!

OBTW, here is a quick link to his photo album:

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/b76b

Whoa, brother! You have taken this conversion thing to a "ho 'nutha
level"! I doff my engineer's cap to you. That is some nice work-
around to the problem of doing an E8 conversion. So, what have you
done for us lately? Heh-Heh-Heh.

Thank you for sharing this, Phil. Your work rocks.

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45818 From: miken9guy Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: SHS CARS AND ENGINES
Any body know where one can get some without going on ebay?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45819 From: Doug Peck Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: Before and After Branford Diner
<<<Very nice job on the diner, and a bargain at that! I especially enjoy
before and after pictures because they show what can be accomplished
with trashed items.>>>



And for those of you who plan to attend the 2008 NASG Convention, the
Model Contest will include a category for AF Restorations, and AF
"Imagineering" (what ACG MIGHT have made).

Details will be on the convention website soon.

www.nasg2008.com <http://www.nasg2008.com/>





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Port Lines Hobby Supply

6 Storeybrooke Drive

Newburyport, MA 01950-3408

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45820 From: miken9guy Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: stores which carry SHS and or AM
any body have any ideas?
my phone area code is 847 between Chicago and Milwuakee
and my postal scf is 600 ( between chicago and Milwaukee
chicago is in Illiinois, and Milwaukee is in Wisconsin.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45821 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: Tenders
In a message dated 11/21/2007 11:47:22 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:




Did the 21139 and 21140 have plastic or metal tenders?

Thanks,

Mike Marmer







Plastic

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45822 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: Tenders
In a message dated 11/21/2007 11:47:22 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:




Did the 21139 and 21140 have plastic or metal tenders?

Thanks,

Mike Marmer







OOPS, Metal on the 21139 and 21140

Steve



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45823 From: John Metzger Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: SHS CARS AND ENGINES
look up www.showcaseline.com or www.americanmodels.com


----- Original Message ----
From: miken9guy <n9guy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 7:42:12 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] SHS CARS AND ENGINES

Any body know where one can get some without going on ebay?





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45824 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: Tenders
Thanks Steve,

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: boss31@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tenders



In a message dated 11/21/2007 11:47:22 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:

Did the 21139 and 21140 have plastic or metal tenders?

Thanks,

Mike Marmer

OOPS, Metal on the 21139 and 21140

Steve

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45825 From: John Degnan Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: SHS CARS AND ENGINES
Also look up www.1stplacehobbies.com and www.walthers.com


John Degnan
Scaler164@...

----- Original Message -----
From: John Metzger
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: November 21, 2007 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS CARS AND ENGINES


look up www.showcaseline.com or www.americanmodels.com


----- Original Message ----
From: miken9guy <n9guy@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 7:42:12 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] SHS CARS AND ENGINES

Any body know where one can get some without going on ebay?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45826 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: SHS CARS AND ENGINES
Dear Mike,
Have you tried our website? One thing I can tell you about buying
anyone mfgs. engines on e-bay. If it does not work right out of the
box, you may have a problem. I have lots of stories of e-bay problems
and customers coming to us to try and fix items. Be 100% sure to insure
every purchase. You will not know if the damaged item was due to
improper packing or if the seller dropped a broken item into the box and
sent it along. If you have no insurance, you will be out ot luck.
You can find out more at:
www.showcaseline.com

Best,
Don Thompson
S Helper Service Inc.

miken9guy wrote:

> Any body know where one can get some without going on ebay?
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45827 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: Tenders
Dear Mike,
I once bought a 21139 that had a plastic tender.
Best,
Don

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

> Thanks Steve,
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com>
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tenders
>
> In a message dated 11/21/2007 11:47:22 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> mlmarmer@... <mailto:mlmarmer%40msn.com> writes:
>
> Did the 21139 and 21140 have plastic or metal tenders?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Marmer
>
> OOPS, Metal on the 21139 and 21140
>
> Steve
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45828 From: M.McConnell Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: South Jersey Layout Display Schedule.
The South Jersey "S" Gaugers will be displaying our layout at the following
venues in December. Please stop by and say hello if you are in the area.

Ocean City, NJ, Train Meet at the Music Pier, Moorlyn Terrace and the
Boardwalk. Admission is $ 3.00 each day.
Saturday, December 1 - 10 am to 5 pm.
Sunday, December 2 - 11 am to 4 pm.

Riverton, NJ, Christmas House Tour, Beneficial Bank, 604 Main Street.
No admission to see layout.
Saturday, December 8 - 6 pm to 9 pm.

Tuckerton, NJ, Train Meet, Upper Township Community Center, 1790 Route 50.
Admission is $ 5.00 each day.
Saturday, December 15 - 8:30 am to 4 pm.
Sunday, December 16 - 9 am to 3 pm.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45829 From: Don Thompson Date: 11/21/2007
Subject: Re: stores which carry SHS and or AM
Dear Mike,
I did not see your address. Both Desplaines Hobbies (Desplaines, IL)
and Terminal Hobbies (Milwaukee, WI) carry our stuff. There maybe others.
Best,
Don

miken9guy wrote:

> any body have any ideas?
> my phone area code is 847 between Chicago and Milwuakee
> and my postal scf is 600 ( between chicago and Milwaukee
> chicago is in Illiinois, and Milwaukee is in Wisconsin.
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45830 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/22/2007
Subject: Re: stores which carry SHS and or AM
In a message dated 11/21/2007 11:54:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
don@... writes:

Both Desplaines Hobbies (Desplaines, IL)
and Terminal Hobbies (Milwaukee, WI) carry our stuff

As does Jim Lyle, _WJJIM@..._ (mailto:WJJIM@...)

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!!

Jim



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45831 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/22/2007
Subject: Re: OSH CALENDARS
Can anyone in the areas of an Orchard Supply Store Get me one or two of
their free train calendars? Please contact me off list as to payment for shipping
Etc.
They come out every year the day after Thanksgiving.
I also have some I can trade for this years & last years. I have 3 years
ago & earlier. Thank You, Mike in Or.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45832 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/22/2007
Subject: Re: MEDFORD OR TRAIN SHOW
OK Guys this weekend as every weekend after Thanksgiving is the Medford, Or.
Train Show Sat. & Sun. at the Medford Armoury....Mike S. in Or



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45833 From: Steve Lunde Date: 11/22/2007
Subject: Re: stores which carry SHS and or AM
Try the Mullet River & Southern Hobbies in Plymouth, Wis. Carries a
lot of S
and gives good deals.

Steve Lunde

miken9guy wrote:

> any body have any ideas?
> my phone area code is 847 between Chicago and Milwuakee
> and my postal scf is 600 ( between chicago and Milwaukee
> chicago is in Illiinois, and Milwaukee is in Wisconsin.
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45834 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/22/2007
Subject: Re: #23040 for sale?
You mention trestles; were they actually part of the set? Greenberg doesn't mention them and the picture I got from someone for The Gilbert Gallery doesn't include any.

Does anyone in the group know for sure?

If it's a 26781 or 26783 set, I would greatly appreciate your sending me some pictures for the Gallery:

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/accessories_bridges2.html

Thanks.

Bob


Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> wrote:
I have been considering selling an A.F. #23040 Mountain, Tunnel & Pass Set from 1958. However, when I check any price guides (old or new) I get no help. It is shown as a 5 with no sales to judge a price. Any thoughts on this item? I also have the black trestles that went with it.

Thanks,

Mike Leahy





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45835 From: The LANIERs Date: 11/22/2007
Subject: Re: #23040 for sale?
Bob,

I have instruction sheet M4482, which says "Use this instruction sheet in lieu of the instruction sheet in the #20147 train set."

It further states: "this set contains: Two complete trains [a 21808 & 307 freight, if my memory serves me], a (24) piece Trestle Set with Track Locks, A Styrafoam Mountain, Tunnel and Pass, a bag containing (1) Track Trip, fiber pins, (3) 707 Track Terminal, and (1) piece of long wire, an envelope containing (1) 690 track terminal, and (2) pieces of short lead wire, (1) 50 watt transformer with Circuit Breaker and enough track for a figure 8 over and under track layout." It includes instructions and a layout diagram. Hope this helps.

paflyrman
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Graves
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] #23040 for sale?


You mention trestles; were they actually part of the set? Greenberg doesn't mention them and the picture I got from someone for The Gilbert Gallery doesn't include any.

Does anyone in the group know for sure?

If it's a 26781 or 26783 set, I would greatly appreciate your sending me some pictures for the Gallery:

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/accessories_bridges2.html

Thanks.

Bob


Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> wrote:
I have been considering selling an A.F. #23040 Mountain, Tunnel & Pass Set from 1958. However, when I check any price guides (old or new) I get no help. It is shown as a 5 with no sales to judge a price. Any thoughts on this item? I also have the black trestles that went with it.

Thanks,

Mike Leahy

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45836 From: JeryJones3@aol.com Date: 11/22/2007
Subject: Re: Visit an S Layout
Greetings: anyone who will be on Cape Cod this holiday season is welcome to
join us at the Nauset Model Railroad Club to enjoy our large S hirail
layout. The layout is 34 x 14 and operates American Flyer as well as S Helper and
American Models engines and rolling stock.

We are open for the Christmas Season on Saturdays from 1 to 4.

We are always in the trainroom on Friday nights from 7 to 9.

Other layouts include O, HO, and N.

We are located in the rear of Hilltop Plaza on Route 6A in Orleans. This is
just as one enters Orleans.
There is a Bowling Alley accross the street as a landmark.

All are welcome!!

Roy E. Jones III, President, Nauset Model Railroad Club. "S" stands for
Superior
Group: S-Trains Message: 45837 From: srgriggs Date: 11/22/2007
Subject: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
Greetings,

I'm looking for detection devices to operate a couple of 761
semaphores on my layout. I run AM track, so I don't want to use AF
track trips. I have done a little research and found the TRAK-DTT on
Dallee Electronics's website
(http://www.dallee.com/Basic_Detector_Timer.htm). It uses a current
sensing circuit to operate a relay and also incorporates an adjustable
timer function that allows the user to control the length of time the
relay is energized. Has anyone used this unit with AF accessories?
If so, what is your opinion of it?

I would also welcome recommendations for other products that may be
used to control AF semaphores. Any feedback is appreciated!

Sincerely,

Scott Griggs
Louisville, KY
Group: S-Trains Message: 45838 From: djdewey@cncnet.com Date: 11/22/2007
Subject: dinner--diner, potato, potatoe :)
That was just a ploy so you wouldn't notice all the other misspellings in that post. just goes to show that once Letterman's on, it's time to stop posting!
Hope y'all had a wonderful Thanksgiving. Now if I had a stomach pump, I could eat some more of this pie. . .
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45839 From: Al Paolozzi Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
There is an article on the subject in the January CTT. Al
----- Original Message -----
From: srgriggs
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 6:38 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories


Greetings,

I'm looking for detection devices to operate a couple of 761
semaphores on my layout. I run AM track, so I don't want to use AF
track trips. I have done a little research and found the TRAK-DTT on
Dallee Electronics's website
(http://www.dallee.com/Basic_Detector_Timer.htm). It uses a current
sensing circuit to operate a relay and also incorporates an adjustable
timer function that allows the user to control the length of time the
relay is energized. Has anyone used this unit with AF accessories?
If so, what is your opinion of it?

I would also welcome recommendations for other products that may be
used to control AF semaphores. Any feedback is appreciated!

Sincerely,

Scott Griggs
Louisville, KY





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45840 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: CTT's "Toy Train Memories"
I still believe this is a very nice book to own or give as
a gift, and not just because I'm in it! Great for the coffee table
during the holidays. I have bought many to give a gifts.
Older B&W photos as well as newer color photos.
Mostly "O" gauge, but some American Flyer "S" gauge.
Through Amazon, you can find new & used copies a lot cheaper then the
$30 cover price.
The below link shows the cover and if you hit the "previous" button,
you will see the photo of me that takes up a full page in the book.
http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer/Toy_Train_Memories_cover.jpg.html

Rick.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45841 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: Re: Converting to Kadee can get tricky, new photo album for one solu
Tim;

Well,,,, you got me into this mess,,,,, then I discover you got some
scale in your blood! hahahahahahah. I'm on a roll my friend, I
bought 20 cars worth of kadee's and I need more,,, more,,,,,
hahahahhahahahaha,,,,, mmmoooorrrrreeeeeee

sigh

phil d

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <Timboy@...> wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I confess I had to read through Phil's posting a couple times and
take
> a good look at his pics to get what he did. Brilliant!
>
> OBTW, here is a quick link to his photo album:
>
> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/b76b
>
> Whoa, brother! You have taken this conversion thing to
a "ho 'nutha
> level"! I doff my engineer's cap to you. That is some nice work-
> around to the problem of doing an E8 conversion. So, what have you
> done for us lately? Heh-Heh-Heh.
>
> Thank you for sharing this, Phil. Your work rocks.
>
> S-Happens,
> Tim Brown
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45842 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: Pilot truck wheels question
This photo is from an eBay auction.......appears to be
#21085 thrown together from parts.
http://i14.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/c4/77/a10f_1.JPG

What can ya tell me about these wheels?

Rick.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45843 From: miken9guy Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: Lionel display
any body aware of a train exposition in Shamburg,
Illinois sometime this weekend?
Group: S-Trains Message: 45844 From: Karl Raab Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: Re Lionel Display
There is a show in Schaumberg IL this weekend (sat & Sun) it's part of
the Worlds greatest Hobby on Tour...
Go to:

http://www.wghshow.com/

It sounds somewhat like 'Trainfest"
Hope that helps
Karl
Group: S-Trains Message: 45845 From: Raul Catta Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: #23040 for sale?
S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-TrainsHi Mike,

here is a link to a recently auctioned 23040 Mountain Tunnel Pass http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=001&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=110182653773&rd=1,

Bob, I think you can ask the auctioneers for the photos

Thanks

Raul Catta
Florida 1065
(1005) Buenos Aires
Argentina


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45846 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: PVMR Train Display
The PEQUEA (PECK-WAY) VALLEY MODEL RAILROADERS will once again display their
new "S" gauge layout at the DUTCHWAY Farm Market, on PA RT 41 in GAP, PA.

This is at least the fourth year we have presented a "new" 8' x 16' layout,
featuring American Flyer, S-Helper, American Models and PA Heritage Models
trains and trolleys, plus Plasticville buildings and scratch-built structures.

We open on Thursday Nov 29 at 10 AM and feature a "Sub Sale" on Thursday,
Friday and Saturday Nov 29, 30 & Dec 1. We will be running trains from 10 AM til
7 PM in the Market lobby each day.
We will re-open on Wed Dec 5th and remain open til Sat the 8th, same hours,
but, NO sub sale.

DUTCHWAY is easily accessible from Lancaster, Harrisburg, York, Philadelphia,
York, all points in Delaware and Southern New Jersey. Saturday morning
visitors will also find a Great Breakfast Buffet (til 10AM) in the adjoining
Restaurant (actually the food is very good anytime, any day).

The layout is open FREE all during this time, we will accept cash donations
for Toys for Tots. We hope to eventually find the space to accept toys also.

Hope you stop to visit,

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45847 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re:Next Round of F-3's, F-7 Diesels - Southern Bl
I, like Fred Tolhurst, am also a Southern fan and I agree with him that the
Southern F (and E) units are gorgeous. I would also like to point out that no
one has offered Southern units in the black tuxedo scheme. No F's, no E's, no
GP's, no SD's, no PA's, no RS3's, no switchers. We have several options to
buy locomotives in Southern green. A lot of us are more familiar with the
Southern in the black units than the green. I never would have seen (except as a
very young child) any Southern units in the green if Graham Claytor had not
repainted the E8s in green for the Southern Crescent and for excursion FP7s and
steam locos. I have to believe there is some pent-up demand for Southern F
units in the black tuxedo scheme.

- Earl Henry, Nashville
================================================================

In a message dated 11/23/2007 9:09:12 AM Central Standard Time,
gftolhurst@... writes:

Though intended for the SHS list, this is fair game for us I would think. At
the risk of appearing to be a fringe group lunatic, I will observe that the
Southern Railway F7's are really gorgeous, in either green or tuxedo livery.

Fred Tolhurst

Maryville, TN





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45848 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: A few more built structures, ADVERT
Hi Gang,

Hope you didn't eat too much yesterday. Hope everyone had a fun and
safe holiday.
This is just a heads up that I have posted a few more fully-built
structures from my private collection and a couple kit-bash projects on
this page http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/keiths
Have a safe week-end, Keith Blanchard
Group: S-Trains Message: 45849 From: George Cohn Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: Re: #23040 for sale?
Raul Catta wrote:
>
>
> S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-TrainsHi Mike,
>
> here is a link to a recently auctioned 23040 Mountain Tunnel Pass
>

Does anyone have a photo of the mountain tunnel for the 1953 or 1954
#302 dealer display? My dad bought that display one year for Christmas
and I am attempting to restore it. Over the years, the original tunnel
was destroyed and I want to build a replica.

I believe the original had a plywood form, covered with screen wire and
probably asbestos based plaster. Any suggestions as to a modern
material that would simulate the original look?

Thanks!

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 45850 From: alansherryb Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: Carolina Holiday Displays
Hello friends,

I am currently visiting my son in Fort Mill SC, and I was wondering if
anyone out there knows of a toy train display at a mall, club or
whatever within the Charlotte, NC/Fort Mill/Rock Hill, SC area to
which I might take the grandchildren tomorrow, Saturday, November 24.

We leave Sunday for Ashville, NC to visit the Biltmore Estate, so we
really only have Saturday to see toy trains or a Christmas Village or
such unless we will be passing by one on the way to Ashville.

If anyone knows of somewhere that I might try, please let me know.

Thanks,

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR visiting Fort Mill, SC
Group: S-Trains Message: 45851 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: 23040
Bob,

The A.F. 23040 was just the styrofoam "Mountain, Tunnel & Pass Set. I am not sure whether the trestles were included, but I have the 24 black trestles that apparently was with the 23040 at one time. You need the trestles to make it work.

Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 45852 From: Larry Moore Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: Re: Carolina Holiday Displays
Alan, If you go to Asheville by way of Kings Mountain, our Carolinas Division of Atlantic Coast S Gaugers has a layout set up in the Museum in Kings Mountain. It runs thru the 1st week of January. Trains running and operating accessories around the entire perimeter, let them push the buttons. Hope you get this message in time. Thanks, Larry


To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comFrom: alansherry@...: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:58:15 +0000Subject: [S-Trains] Carolina Holiday Displays




Hello friends,I am currently visiting my son in Fort Mill SC, and I was wondering if anyone out there knows of a toy train display at a mall, club or whatever within the Charlotte, NC/Fort Mill/Rock Hill, SC area to which I might take the grandchildren tomorrow, Saturday, November 24.We leave Sunday for Ashville, NC to visit the Biltmore Estate, so we really only have Saturday to see toy trains or a Christmas Village or such unless we will be passing by one on the way to Ashville.If anyone knows of somewhere that I might try, please let me know.Thanks,Alan BennettKeizer, OR visiting Fort Mill, SC






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45853 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 11/23/2007
Subject: Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
Have you looked at Z Stuff for Trains detectors? Of questionable size for S
but they sure work well.



Chuck Smith

http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

cesmith@...



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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of srgriggs
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 9:38 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories



Greetings,

I'm looking for detection devices to operate a couple of 761
semaphores on my layout. I run AM track, so I don't want to use AF
track trips. I have done a little research and found the TRAK-DTT on
Dallee Electronics's website
(http://www.dallee <http://www.dallee.com/Basic_Detector_Timer.htm>
com/Basic_Detector_Timer.htm). It uses a current
sensing circuit to operate a relay and also incorporates an adjustable
timer function that allows the user to control the length of time the
relay is energized. Has anyone used this unit with AF accessories?
If so, what is your opinion of it?

I would also welcome recommendations for other products that may be
used to control AF semaphores. Any feedback is appreciated!

Sincerely,

Scott Griggs
Louisville, KY





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45854 From: ken_5556 Date: 11/24/2007
Subject: 1/900 Trains
Check this out!

Be the first on your block to have one!

http://stores.ebay.com/Tiny-Trains-1-900-Scale

Ken...
Group: S-Trains Message: 45855 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/24/2007
Subject: Re: 23040
Duh. Of course - that's why the sets didn't need the crossover or half straights. It was so obvious that I missed it. Like the other day when I was looking in all the places that my wife usually stores the step stool; I couldn't find it because it was in the middle of the kitchen.

So do you know the catalog number of your trestles? And can you send me a picture of the mountain/pass with the trestles set up in a figure 8 with one of the two set trains on it? That would be a wonderful thing to be able to show in The Gilbert Gallery, and it will certainly help you sell it. I'd appreciate it.

Bob


Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> wrote:
Bob,

The A.F. 23040 was just the styrofoam "Mountain, Tunnel & Pass Set. I am not sure whether the trestles were included, but I have the 24 black trestles that apparently was with the 23040 at one time. You need the trestles to make it work.

Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 45856 From: Grant Date: 11/24/2007
Subject: S-Trains] Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
There is an article in the March/April S Gaugian, "Testing the MTH infrared
Train Activating Device". I read it and got one working on my layout without
much trouble.

Good Luck!

Grant



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45857 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/24/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/25/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45858 From: Timboy Date: 11/25/2007
Subject: Nineteen and counting
Hi Guys,

Thanks to the modernizing I am doing to old stock with S-Helper trucks
& Kadee couplers, I can now pull nineteen cars up my steepest grade
with my NON-Pulmor Hudson. It doesn't even slip, so I'm now wondering
where the limit is. Also, it has been brought to my attention that my
little RR is now GREEN, because I can haul more freight with less
electrons. Therefore, I am building up a nice "carbon credit". For
details, please go to the EPA site and do a search on "DCC".

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45859 From: srgriggs Date: 11/25/2007
Subject: Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
Chuck,

I have looked at Z Stuff's website. I actually have a set of the Z
Stuff wig wag grade crossing signals which use the same means of
detection. I have not installed them on my layout yet (maybe I
should). The Z Stuff design has a lot of advantages (no need to
isolate the detection block as is required with a current sensing
device and can detect the entire length of the train). However, I
would prefer to be able to mount the entire thing under my layout.
Carl Tuveson has a neat detection scheme on his website, with the
emitter and receiver positioned between the rails and "seeing"
passing rolling stock from below--I just wish there was a "ready to
run" version of such a system available.

I appreciate your suggestion.

Scott

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Charles E. Smith" <cesmith@...>
wrote:
>
> Have you looked at Z Stuff for Trains detectors? Of questionable
size for S
> but they sure work well.
>
>
>
> Chuck Smith
>
> http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/
>
> cesmith@...
>
>
>
> _____
Group: S-Trains Message: 45860 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 11/25/2007
Subject: 23040
Bob,

I have looked through all my sources, including a 1958 catalog, and have found nothing on the #23040 Mtn., Tunnel & Pass Set. Would guess this group will be able to answer your question about which, if any, trains were ever sold with this as a set? Wish I could be of more assistance on this.

Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 45861 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 11/25/2007
Subject: Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
Scott,

Here is a ready made IR under the track sensor.
http://www.tchtechnology.com/products/sensa-trakII/

Also on e-bay at:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Infrared-Train-Detection-System-Sensa-Trak-II_W0QQitemZ1
30176418975QQihZ003QQcategoryZ486QQcmdZViewItem

Instruction manual at:
http://ebay.tchtechnology.com/new/instructions/sensa-trakII.pdf

Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of srgriggs
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 3:53 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other
accessories


Chuck,

I have looked at Z Stuff's website. I actually have a set of the Z
Stuff wig wag grade crossing signals which use the same means of
detection. I have not installed them on my layout yet (maybe I
should). The Z Stuff design has a lot of advantages (no need to
isolate the detection block as is required with a current sensing
device and can detect the entire length of the train). However, I
would prefer to be able to mount the entire thing under my layout.
Carl Tuveson has a neat detection scheme on his website, with the
emitter and receiver positioned between the rails and "seeing"
passing rolling stock from below--I just wish there was a "ready to
run" version of such a system available.

I appreciate your suggestion.

Scott

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Charles E. Smith" <cesmith@...>
wrote:
>
> Have you looked at Z Stuff for Trains detectors? Of questionable
size for S
> but they sure work well.
>
>
>
> Chuck Smith
>
> http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/
>
> cesmith@...
>
>
>
> _____




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Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/25/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45863 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/25/2007
Subject: Re: 23040
Bob Tufts book says the #20147 Sears Set featured two engines, #21160 and #21808, and had a consist of a #24039, #24102, #24602, #24202, #24309, #24019, #24602. It included 20 #26720 Curved Track, 6 #26700 Straight Track, #26690 Track Terminal, #26670 Track Trip, #22020 50-watt Transformer, #26782 set of 26 graduated black trestles, and #23040 Mountain, Tunnel, and Pass Set. That set contained both a trestle set and the #23040 Mountain, Tunnel, and Pass Set. That's why I was surprised that you seemed to be saying that the 23040 came with trestles.

Do you have enough loose track to make a figure 8 with the trestles and Mountain, Tunnel, and Pass Set, plus one of those engines and enough of those cars to make a train? If so, it would make a wonderful picture.

Bob


Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> wrote:
Bob,

I have looked through all my sources, including a 1958 catalog, and have found nothing on the #23040 Mtn., Tunnel & Pass Set. Would guess this group will be able to answer your question about which, if any, trains were ever sold with this as a set? Wish I could be of more assistance on this.

Mike





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45864 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/25/2007
Subject: Gilbert article
http://www.thnt.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071123/COLUMNISTS24/711230481

A O gauge friend in NJ sent me this newspaper article about toys that Gilbert put out. There is a little bit about AF as he like AF better than Lionel. AF, that two rail stuff.

Mike Marmer



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45865 From: srgriggs Date: 11/25/2007
Subject: Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
Carl,

Thank you for bringing this company's products to my attention. The
Sensa-Trak II looks like a great device to control a wide variety of
accessories and signaling equipment.

Scott

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Tuveson" <carl@...> wrote:
>
> Scott,
>
> Here is a ready made IR under the track sensor.
> http://www.tchtechnology.com/products/sensa-trakII/
>
> Also on e-bay at:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Infrared-Train-Detection-System-Sensa-Trak-
II_W0QQitemZ1
> 30176418975QQihZ003QQcategoryZ486QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Instruction manual at:
> http://ebay.tchtechnology.com/new/instructions/sensa-trakII.pdf
>
> Carl
>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45866 From: porschebob1953 Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: GREENBERG AMERICAN FLYER CATALOGUES 1946-1955
Does anyone know where I can purchase a copy of the book "GREENBERG
AMERICAN FLYER CATALOGUES 1946-1955" at a reasonable price? It was
originally published in 1991 and cost $125.00 at that time. There is
one on Ebay for $299.95 but that is too pricey for me.
Bob
Group: S-Trains Message: 45867 From: Neimanis,V. [NCR] Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
I have a layout using Gargraves track and thus have a similar
situation. I use the Lionel 1531R controllers. They are "electrical
boxes" with adjustable infrared sensors inside. They are not cheap at
$35.00 a piece but are easily wired and work well.



V. Neimanis

Ottawa, Canada

v.neimanis@...



Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
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mgyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM0N
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Posted by: "Al Paolozzi" amflyral@...
<mailto:amflyral@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Sensing%20devices%20for%
20use%20with%20AF%20and%20other%20accessories>

Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:00 am (PST)

There is an article on the subject in the January CTT. Al
----- Original Message -----
From: srgriggs
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 6:38 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Sensing devices for use with AF and other
accessories

Greetings,

I'm looking for detection devices to operate a couple of 761
semaphores on my layout. I run AM track, so I don't want to use AF
track trips. I have done a little research and found the TRAK-DTT on
Dallee Electronics's website
(http://www.dallee.com/Basic_Detector_Timer.htm
<http://www.dallee.com/Basic_Detector_Timer.htm> ). It uses a current
sensing circuit to operate a relay and also incorporates an adjustable
timer function that allows the user to control the length of time the
relay is energized. Has anyone used this unit with AF accessories?
If so, what is your opinion of it?

I would also welcome recommendations for other products that may be
used to control AF semaphores. Any feedback is appreciated!

Sincerely,

Scott Griggs
Louisville, KY






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45868 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Re: Nineteen and counting
Hey Tim!

That's great news, mega cool!!

Congrats on your carbon credit(CC).

I qualified for and was granted .2 CC when I replaced 44 18v bulbs
with 44 jumbo LED's in a special home fabricated screw in base in my
AFG switch controllers (date of qualification, Jan 2001). Not only
have I saved significant energy,,,, I have stopped burning my fingers
and melting controllers in my "switch control farm" at my command
station. I do miss the ability to roast hot dogs over my switch
controllers whilst operating my layout, but every sacrifice is
necessary for the betterment of the environment!

cheers

phil d

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <Timboy@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> Thanks to the modernizing I am doing to old stock with S-Helper
trucks
> & Kadee couplers, I can now pull nineteen cars up my steepest grade
> with my NON-Pulmor Hudson. It doesn't even slip, so I'm now
wondering
> where the limit is. Also, it has been brought to my attention that
my
> little RR is now GREEN, because I can haul more freight with less
> electrons. Therefore, I am building up a nice "carbon credit".
For
> details, please go to the EPA site and do a search on "DCC".
>
> S-Happens,
> Tim Brown
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45869 From: James Hannawald Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Re: GREENBERG AMERICAN FLYER CATALOGUES 1946-1955
Bob

There is another one on EBay number 300175729556 at 5.24 now, but there is a reserve on it.

Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: porschebob1953
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:57 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] GREENBERG AMERICAN FLYER CATALOGUES 1946-1955


Does anyone know where I can purchase a copy of the book "GREENBERG
AMERICAN FLYER CATALOGUES 1946-1955" at a reasonable price? It was
originally published in 1991 and cost $125.00 at that time. There is
one on Ebay for $299.95 but that is too pricey for me.
Bob





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45870 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Re: GREENBERG AMERICAN FLYER CATALOGUES 1946-1955
You can check www.amazon.com This book shows up there from time to
time in various conditions from Like New to Used. Other than eBay and
amazon you might get lucky and find one at a local train show.

Good luck!

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "porschebob1953" <arena-10@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know where I can purchase a copy of the book "GREENBERG
> AMERICAN FLYER CATALOGUES 1946-1955" at a reasonable price? It was
> originally published in 1991 and cost $125.00 at that time. There is
> one on Ebay for $299.95 but that is too pricey for me.
> Bob
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45871 From: Timboy Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Re: Nineteen and counting
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@...> wrote:

> I qualified for and was granted .2 CC when I replaced 44 18v bulbs
> with 44 jumbo LED's in a special home fabricated screw in base in my
> AFG switch controllers (date of qualification, Jan 2001). Not only
> have I saved significant energy,,,, I have stopped burning my fingers
> and melting controllers in my "switch control farm" at my command
> station. I do miss the ability to roast hot dogs over my switch
> controllers whilst operating my layout, but every sacrifice is
> necessary for the betterment of the environment!

Hi Phil,

A .2 carbon credit (CC) is a good start! Mmmmmmm. Hot dogs roasted on
old ACG switch lamp farms. Those were the good ol' days that I fondly
remember. OBTW, I am up to 23 cars and counting. My non-pulmor
Hudson's wheels are starting to dig in a little on the 3% part of my
grade, so I am near it's limit - although two of the converted cars are
metal flats with log loads, so I think I can make 25 okay. I think I
can. I think I can. I know I can. I know I can.

S-Happens!
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45872 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Re: Nineteen and counting
Tim;

Super,,, let me know when you hit 25 and I'll pop the cork on a fine
bottle of red dog!!! (lessee,,,, where is that cork screw??)

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <Timboy@...> wrote:
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@> wrote:
>
> > I qualified for and was granted .2 CC when I replaced 44 18v
bulbs
> > with 44 jumbo LED's in a special home fabricated screw in base in
my
> > AFG switch controllers (date of qualification, Jan 2001). Not
only
> > have I saved significant energy,,,, I have stopped burning my
fingers
> > and melting controllers in my "switch control farm" at my command
> > station. I do miss the ability to roast hot dogs over my switch
> > controllers whilst operating my layout, but every sacrifice is
> > necessary for the betterment of the environment!
>
> Hi Phil,
>
> A .2 carbon credit (CC) is a good start! Mmmmmmm. Hot dogs
roasted on
> old ACG switch lamp farms. Those were the good ol' days that I
fondly
> remember. OBTW, I am up to 23 cars and counting. My non-pulmor
> Hudson's wheels are starting to dig in a little on the 3% part of
my
> grade, so I am near it's limit - although two of the converted cars
are
> metal flats with log loads, so I think I can make 25 okay. I think
I
> can. I think I can. I know I can. I know I can.
>
> S-Happens!
> Tim Brown
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45873 From: bw_hansen Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Straight rubber roadbed wanted
I need about twenty pieces of AF (or repro) straight rubber grey or
black roadbed. I don't need the track. I have alot of the curved rubber
roadbed (with or without track) that I'd be willing to trade and I'll
pay both shipping charges. Or I'd pay for it outright. Let me know.
Thanks.

Bruce
Group: S-Trains Message: 45874 From: The LANIERs Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Re: 23040
I have all of the parts, but will have to wait until after the holidays to get this done. BTW, some of the car #s in Bob Tufts book are wrong. No 24602, 24202, or 24102 exist. Should be 03's.

paflyrman
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Graves
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 23040


Bob Tufts book says the #20147 Sears Set featured two engines, #21160 and #21808, and had a consist of a #24039, #24102, #24602, #24202, #24309, #24019, #24602. It included 20 #26720 Curved Track, 6 #26700 Straight Track, #26690 Track Terminal, #26670 Track Trip, #22020 50-watt Transformer, #26782 set of 26 graduated black trestles, and #23040 Mountain, Tunnel, and Pass Set. That set contained both a trestle set and the #23040 Mountain, Tunnel, and Pass Set. That's why I was surprised that you seemed to be saying that the 23040 came with trestles.

Do you have enough loose track to make a figure 8 with the trestles and Mountain, Tunnel, and Pass Set, plus one of those engines and enough of those cars to make a train? If so, it would make a wonderful picture.

Bob

Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> wrote:
Bob,

I have looked through all my sources, including a 1958 catalog, and have found nothing on the #23040 Mtn., Tunnel & Pass Set. Would guess this group will be able to answer your question about which, if any, trains were ever sold with this as a set? Wish I could be of more assistance on this.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45875 From: wyoaf Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Hirth Hobbies Track Layouts for American Flyer
Greetings, this is my 1st ever post. I recently attended the S Fest in
St. Louis and bought some AF paper and related items. One of the items
is a booklet, 15 pages long entitled "Track Layouts for American
Flyer", copyright 1953 Hirth Hobbies. I am building an AF layout on a
6x10 island, and have been seeking trackplans. This booklet has lots
of plans, mostly for single-level layouts. My brief follow-up research
has revealed that Hirth Hobbies was in Chicago. Andy Jugle, a well-
known S gauger and AF authority tells me that this booklet is in the
public domain now ( copyrights last for 28 years unless extended in the
year prior to maturity). Hirth Hobbies went out of business and did
not renew.
Maybe this is all old news to this group. If so, plese excuse me. If
not, I need some coaching or help in figuring out how to post this
booklet to this site. I don't have the technology or computer skills to
digitize and e-mail it, but can photocopy it and send it to one of you
that does have the capability. Thank you. John Davis, Noblesville IN
Group: S-Trains Message: 45876 From: clifma19@cox.net Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Re: Nineteen and counting
Phil,
Where or who did you get your LEDs from? I plan to replace mine this spring for all the same reasons.
Clifford Manning
Topeka, KS

---- Phil Dunlop <pndunlop@...> wrote:
> Tim;
>
> Super,,, let me know when you hit 25 and I'll pop the cork on a fine
> bottle of red dog!!! (lessee,,,, where is that cork screw??)
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <Timboy@...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@> wrote:
> >
> > > I qualified for and was granted .2 CC when I replaced 44 18v
> bulbs
> > > with 44 jumbo LED's in a special home fabricated screw in base in
> my
> > > AFG switch controllers (date of qualification, Jan 2001). Not
> only
> > > have I saved significant energy,,,, I have stopped burning my
> fingers
> > > and melting controllers in my "switch control farm" at my command
> > > station. I do miss the ability to roast hot dogs over my switch
> > > controllers whilst operating my layout, but every sacrifice is
> > > necessary for the betterment of the environment!
> >
> > Hi Phil,
> >
> > A .2 carbon credit (CC) is a good start! Mmmmmmm. Hot dogs
> roasted on
> > old ACG switch lamp farms. Those were the good ol' days that I
> fondly
> > remember. OBTW, I am up to 23 cars and counting. My non-pulmor
> > Hudson's wheels are starting to dig in a little on the 3% part of
> my
> > grade, so I am near it's limit - although two of the converted cars
> are
> > metal flats with log loads, so I think I can make 25 okay. I think
> I
> > can. I think I can. I know I can. I know I can.
> >
> > S-Happens!
> > Tim Brown
> >
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45877 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Last Phone Booth in DC
In Honor of all those who have Plasticville Phone booths and the phone booths still at the York Fairgrounds, I feel that the below article is train related. O:)!

Mike Marmer

Step Inside, and Back in Time, and Dial Away
The Area's Last Public Phone Booth Is Shabby but Holding On

By Daniela Deane
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, November 22, 2007; B01



It's missing a front door and a plastic pane or two. The phone books are long gone. But there's still a dial tone, and you can still make a call.

It's a Washington monument of sorts, the last known working public phone booth in the region and one of only a handful left in the United States.

Even in this everyone's-got-a-cellphone era, people step into the 1970s booth in Arlington County several times a day to make a call. Officials at Verizon Communications say about five calls a day are made from the booth in Clarendon, which is just like the kind Superman used to duck into.

But time might be running out for this relic. If the phone booth needs replacing, it's, well, history.

"If it gets knocked over, somebody runs into it with their car, or it needs to go for whatever reason, we would not bring in a different phone booth in its place," said Margaretta Rothenberg, a manager in Verizon's pay phone division.

Once a fixture on American street corners, phone booths have largely disappeared from the landscape, despite a lingering nostalgia for them in Hollywood, as evidenced by such films as "Phone Booth," a 2002 thriller about a man trapped in a booth by a sniper, and the "Superman" sequels.

No new public phone booths have been put up in years, officials said. They have been replaced by pedestal-style pay phones, which are easier to maintain, meet national standards for accessibility by the disabled, take up less room and don't attract trash -- or crime.

"There are still a few public phone booths around the country, but not many," said Christy Reap, a Verizon spokeswoman. "There's one on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, where the community lobbied us to keep it. There's a few classic ones in some historic towns in Pennsylvania, a few on the Pennsylvania Turnpike and a few on the Jersey Shore. Here in the Washington area, that's the only one, as far as we know."

About a dozen hidden, private phone booths are in St. Mary's County in Southern Maryland, built by Mennonite families for their personal use for religious reasons.

Phone booths are being built -- but without phones. They're called "non-phone phone booths," and they are designed for cellphone users, Rothenberg said.

"They're soundproof rooms, gorgeous rooms with leather walls and opulent decor, where you can go make a call on your own phone," she said. "We're seeing this in restaurants, in upscale hotels. The Biltmore in New York has one. It's driven by what works best for customers."

Phone booths started disappearing in the late 1980s as cellphones gained popularity, said Willard R. Nichols, president of the American Public Communications Council, a national trade association for pay phone operators.

"The cost structure led companies to start putting in smaller cubicles that were less expensive to maintain," Nichols said. "By 2000, all the new installations were cubicles or pedestals."

And under the Americans With Disabilities Act, passed in 1990, phone booths no longer met national accessibility standards.

Pay phones without booths also are vanishing. There were more than 2 million pay phones in the United States in 2000, but the number plummeted to just more than 1 million by 2006, according to the Federal Communications Commission.

During that period, the number of cellphones in use in the country jumped from 90.6 million to 217.4 million, according to the FCC.

Nevertheless, Arlington's telecommunications throwback, which still sports a blue Bell logo, has a loyal following.

"People use it a lot," said Jesse Blount, a mental health advocate at Clarendon House, who can see the phone booth, which is near North Irving Street and 10th Street North, from his desk.

Blount said it is used mostly by people who work nearby and by construction workers in the area. Clients who arrive at Clarendon House, a psychosocial day center, when it is closed make calls there, he said. Blount has used it on occasion when he wanted to make a private call.

"It's necessary, even though it's pretty shabby," he said. "I think they've forgotten about it."

Blount said it is surprisingly safe, though, considering how dilapidated it is.

"You'd think you'd see people trying to do drugs in there or have sex, but none of that ever happens," Blount said. Arlington police reported no phone booth-related incidents.

It's been there so long, in fact, that it's become a bit of a neighborhood plaything.

Julia Casciotti, a 17-year-old senior at Washington-Lee High School, grew up on the next street over. She and several girlfriends -- five at last count -- have crammed into the booth to take pictures of themselves after sleepovers. Over the years, she has also gone in there to play, making pretend calls, "pushing all the buttons and calling the operator."

"It's always just been there," she said. But Casciotti admitted that she's never used the phone -- she's had a cellphone for years -- and hasn't seen anyone else use it.

Daniel Leblanc, 22, has, though. And it kind of freaked him out. He has never used a pay phone.

Leblanc, an intern on Capitol Hill who lives in an apartment nearby, walks by the booth on his way to and from the Metro. Leblanc uses a cellphone and, like many young people nowadays, doesn't have a landline at home.

"The couple times I've seen people using it, I've thought, 'That is really strange,' " Leblanc said. "Frankly, I wondered, 'Don't those people have cellphones?' "


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45878 From: clayton deich Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Re: GREENBERG AMERICAN FLYER CATALOGUES 1946-1955
Good Luck Bob that book will only go up in price. I
would love to have one too, but I will not pay even
the $125.00 for one. I will pick up the real
catalogues on Ebay or else where's, and end up with a
complete set some day.

Clayton
--- porschebob1953 <arena-10@...> wrote:

> Does anyone know where I can purchase a copy of the
> book "GREENBERG
> AMERICAN FLYER CATALOGUES 1946-1955" at a reasonable
> price? It was
> originally published in 1991 and cost $125.00 at
> that time. There is
> one on Ebay for $299.95 but that is too pricey for
> me.
> Bob
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45879 From: Steve Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
Since we're talking about sensing devices, have any of you guys
figured out how to automate a track switch? I'm looking/trying to
automate a switch so that if a train comes into (from) the curved
section and the switch is pointed straight, it automatically switches
over to the curve, preventing a derailment. I'm thinking of having a
dog-bone run of track that is basically one track with a reverse loop
on either side. If I have a train running on this, I'd like to "set
it and forget it" instead of constantly working the switches. Ideally
I'd like to have the switch auto-sense the opposite of what I just
described, that way the train would alternate the path each time it
made a lap. Hope this makes sense to someone out there. Thanks in
advance.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45880 From: George Cohn Date: 11/26/2007
Subject: Re: Nineteen and counting
clifma19@... wrote:
>
>
> Phil,
> Where or who did you get your LEDs from? I plan to replace mine this
> spring for all the same reasons.
>

One neat place to get electronic stuff is
<http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/category/340/LEDs.html>

I don't remember if they have a minimum but their shipping is usually
just $7 for almost any size package. I buy a lot of electronic parts
from them for various projects.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 45881 From: george leidinger Date: 11/27/2007
Subject: Sound machine
At a swap meet I obtained The MK II Roanoke Electronics The component was sold in the
80s does any one have an operations manual or know where to obtain??? George Leidinger with theCT "S" guagers Thanks

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45882 From: Trains Date: 11/27/2007
Subject: Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
This is not a real big problem...having been solved by AC Gilbert's people some time ago. They have published diagrams with wireing and necessary AF equipment to automatically orient switches to occupied track section using track trips etc. These diagrams are also reproduced in K-Lines AF Manual.
I would copy and paste it here...except for copy-right questions. Any-way the idea is you use the track trips to throw the AF turnouts which then route the power to the appropriate track; use some insulating pins to isolate a section adjacent to switch, on both straight and curved section of enough lenth to hold engines. It is also possible to throw a switch to a preferred route (straight or curved) with a track trip located before the switch.

I hope this helps a little and gets you going on your project. BTW you can use other devices such as infra red, IRDOT, reed switches etc to throw relays and route electricity and trains.

Peter Loeb


----- Original Message -----
From: Steve
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 7:39 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories


Since we're talking about sensing devices, have any of you guys
figured out how to automate a track switch? I'm looking/trying to
automate a switch so that if a train comes into (from) the curved
section and the switch is pointed straight, it automatically switches
over to the curve, preventing a derailment. I'm thinking of having a
dog-bone run of track that is basically one track with a reverse loop
on either side. If I have a train running on this, I'd like to "set
it and forget it" instead of constantly working the switches. Ideally
I'd like to have the switch auto-sense the opposite of what I just
described, that way the train would alternate the path each time it
made a lap. Hope this makes sense to someone out there. Thanks in
advance.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45883 From: Steve Wolcott Date: 11/27/2007
Subject: Reefers to swap
My research shows that the Rio Grande used ART reefers only in the
'40s and '50s. So if you have any SHS or PRS American Refrigerated
Transit reefers you want to trade, I have the following SHS reefers to
trade; 3-BREX, an FGE, a URTC, and a C&NW. Contact me offline.
Steve W
Group: S-Trains Message: 45884 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 11/27/2007
Subject: Re: Nineteen and counting
Clifford;

I got lucky, I was in Scotland in 2001 on business, and found a small
electronic hobby shop in Edinburgh that had some really large jumbo
LEDs in green and red. He didn't have the stock I needed, so I
ordered 30 of each color, paid for them, and in about 3 weeks they
arrived at my door. I haven't seen or found any of that size since.

I made my replacements by taking a standard base for an 18v bulb, a
LED case to hold the assembly, adding a dropping resistor from the
center contact point to one of the LED leads, and bonding the case to
the bulb base. They screw in just like a bulb, and they are about
the same diameter as the bulb base, so it makes a really neat
replacement. They've been lighting up the switch controllers for 6
years now with no problems, so I suspect they are pretty durable.

cheers

phil d

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <clifma19@...> wrote:
>
> Phil,
> Where or who did you get your LEDs from? I plan to replace mine
this spring for all the same reasons.
> Clifford Manning
> Topeka, KS
>
> ---- Phil Dunlop <pndunlop@...> wrote:
> > Tim;
> >
> > Super,,, let me know when you hit 25 and I'll pop the cork on a
fine
> > bottle of red dog!!! (lessee,,,, where is that cork screw??)
> >
> > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <Timboy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > > I qualified for and was granted .2 CC when I replaced 44 18v
> > bulbs
> > > > with 44 jumbo LED's in a special home fabricated screw in
base in
> > my
> > > > AFG switch controllers (date of qualification, Jan 2001).
Not
> > only
> > > > have I saved significant energy,,,, I have stopped burning my
> > fingers
> > > > and melting controllers in my "switch control farm" at my
command
> > > > station. I do miss the ability to roast hot dogs over my
switch
> > > > controllers whilst operating my layout, but every sacrifice
is
> > > > necessary for the betterment of the environment!
> > >
> > > Hi Phil,
> > >
> > > A .2 carbon credit (CC) is a good start! Mmmmmmm. Hot dogs
> > roasted on
> > > old ACG switch lamp farms. Those were the good ol' days that I
> > fondly
> > > remember. OBTW, I am up to 23 cars and counting. My non-
pulmor
> > > Hudson's wheels are starting to dig in a little on the 3% part
of
> > my
> > > grade, so I am near it's limit - although two of the converted
cars
> > are
> > > metal flats with log loads, so I think I can make 25 okay. I
think
> > I
> > > can. I think I can. I know I can. I know I can.
> > >
> > > S-Happens!
> > > Tim Brown
> > >
> >
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45885 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 11/27/2007
Subject: Re: Nineteen and counting - LEDs
I remember a discussion on this list about pre-assembled LED bulbs
that were direct replacements for most AF bulbs. Someone may have
time to research the message file and see if they can find the
seller that has these bulbs ready-to-run! I seem to recall they
were a bit pricey around $3 or $4 each.

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@...> wrote:
>
> Clifford;
>
> I got lucky, I was in Scotland in 2001 on business, and found a
small
> electronic hobby shop in Edinburgh that had some really large
jumbo
> LEDs in green and red. He didn't have the stock I needed, so I
> ordered 30 of each color, paid for them, and in about 3 weeks they
> arrived at my door. I haven't seen or found any of that size
since.
>
> I made my replacements by taking a standard base for an 18v bulb,
a
> LED case to hold the assembly, adding a dropping resistor from the
> center contact point to one of the LED leads, and bonding the case
to
> the bulb base. They screw in just like a bulb, and they are about
> the same diameter as the bulb base, so it makes a really neat
> replacement. They've been lighting up the switch controllers for
6
> years now with no problems, so I suspect they are pretty durable.
>
> cheers
>
> phil d
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <clifma19@> wrote:
> >
> > Phil,
> > Where or who did you get your LEDs from? I plan to replace mine
> this spring for all the same reasons.
> > Clifford Manning
> > Topeka, KS
> >
> > ---- Phil Dunlop <pndunlop@> wrote:
> > > Tim;
> > >
> > > Super,,, let me know when you hit 25 and I'll pop the cork on
a
> fine
> > > bottle of red dog!!! (lessee,,,, where is that cork screw??)
> > >
> > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <Timboy@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I qualified for and was granted .2 CC when I replaced 44
18v
> > > bulbs
> > > > > with 44 jumbo LED's in a special home fabricated screw in
> base in
> > > my
> > > > > AFG switch controllers (date of qualification, Jan 2001).
> Not
> > > only
> > > > > have I saved significant energy,,,, I have stopped burning
my
> > > fingers
> > > > > and melting controllers in my "switch control farm" at my
> command
> > > > > station. I do miss the ability to roast hot dogs over my
> switch
> > > > > controllers whilst operating my layout, but every
sacrifice
> is
> > > > > necessary for the betterment of the environment!
> > > >
> > > > Hi Phil,
> > > >
> > > > A .2 carbon credit (CC) is a good start! Mmmmmmm. Hot dogs
> > > roasted on
> > > > old ACG switch lamp farms. Those were the good ol' days
that I
> > > fondly
> > > > remember. OBTW, I am up to 23 cars and counting. My non-
> pulmor
> > > > Hudson's wheels are starting to dig in a little on the 3%
part
> of
> > > my
> > > > grade, so I am near it's limit - although two of the
converted
> cars
> > > are
> > > > metal flats with log loads, so I think I can make 25 okay.
I
> think
> > > I
> > > > can. I think I can. I know I can. I know I can.
> > > >
> > > > S-Happens!
> > > > Tim Brown
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45886 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 11/27/2007
Subject: Re: Nineteen and counting
Cliff;

George was right,,, here is a red one that looks just like the ones I
have;


http://www.alltronics.com/cgi-bin/item/95L008/31/SE1011-Red-Jumbo-LED

One would hope they've got green also.

I googled "jumbo LED" and got some other hits as well. 10mm seems to
be getting more common, it was pretty rare back when I did mine.

cheers
phil d


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@...> wrote:
>
> Clifford;
>
> I got lucky, I was in Scotland in 2001 on business, and found a
small
> electronic hobby shop in Edinburgh that had some really large jumbo
> LEDs in green and red. He didn't have the stock I needed, so I
> ordered 30 of each color, paid for them, and in about 3 weeks they
> arrived at my door. I haven't seen or found any of that size since.
>
> I made my replacements by taking a standard base for an 18v bulb, a
> LED case to hold the assembly, adding a dropping resistor from the
> center contact point to one of the LED leads, and bonding the case
to
> the bulb base. They screw in just like a bulb, and they are about
> the same diameter as the bulb base, so it makes a really neat
> replacement. They've been lighting up the switch controllers for 6
> years now with no problems, so I suspect they are pretty durable.
>
> cheers
>
> phil d
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <clifma19@> wrote:
> >
> > Phil,
> > Where or who did you get your LEDs from? I plan to replace mine
> this spring for all the same reasons.
> > Clifford Manning
> > Topeka, KS
> >
> > ---- Phil Dunlop <pndunlop@> wrote:
> > > Tim;
> > >
> > > Super,,, let me know when you hit 25 and I'll pop the cork on a
> fine
> > > bottle of red dog!!! (lessee,,,, where is that cork screw??)
> > >
> > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <Timboy@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Dunlop" <pndunlop@>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I qualified for and was granted .2 CC when I replaced 44
18v
> > > bulbs
> > > > > with 44 jumbo LED's in a special home fabricated screw in
> base in
> > > my
> > > > > AFG switch controllers (date of qualification, Jan 2001).
> Not
> > > only
> > > > > have I saved significant energy,,,, I have stopped burning
my
> > > fingers
> > > > > and melting controllers in my "switch control farm" at my
> command
> > > > > station. I do miss the ability to roast hot dogs over my
> switch
> > > > > controllers whilst operating my layout, but every sacrifice
> is
> > > > > necessary for the betterment of the environment!
> > > >
> > > > Hi Phil,
> > > >
> > > > A .2 carbon credit (CC) is a good start! Mmmmmmm. Hot dogs
> > > roasted on
> > > > old ACG switch lamp farms. Those were the good ol' days that
I
> > > fondly
> > > > remember. OBTW, I am up to 23 cars and counting. My non-
> pulmor
> > > > Hudson's wheels are starting to dig in a little on the 3%
part
> of
> > > my
> > > > grade, so I am near it's limit - although two of the
converted
> cars
> > > are
> > > > metal flats with log loads, so I think I can make 25 okay. I
> think
> > > I
> > > > can. I think I can. I know I can. I know I can.
> > > >
> > > > S-Happens!
> > > > Tim Brown
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45887 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 11/27/2007
Subject: American Flyer LED Bulb Assembly Source
I found the following screw in 12-14V LED bulbs for American Flyer on
eBay. They have different colors including red and green and
different sizes including 1445, 1447 and 1449. They also have push
in and twist bulbs. They also have some interesting looking LED
strips they advertise for lighting passenger car interiors.

There are probably other suppliers out there but this was the first I
found on my first search.

Check out the following on eBay by entering these item numbers in any
eBay search window:

Green: 290060127133

Red: 6007432091

White: 290060128081

They are pricey at $2.49 each plus $3.00 shipping. I assume shipping
is discounted for additional bulbs???

Disclaimer: This is for information only. I don't have any
experience with this seller or this product.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 45888 From: Alan Evans Date: 11/27/2007
Subject: Re: Sound machine
Hello George,

I purchased my Roanoke Sound system about 10 years ago at a
train meet. No instructions. I hooked up an automobile speaker under my
layout into the respective terminals, there's a 12V power supply transformer
that came with it.

The vendor who sold it said he had several of these units go bad
- mine has done fine.



I just experimented with the various sound options and pick the
one appropriate for the trains on the tracks above.



- Alan Evans

o Gahanna, OH



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Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:11 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Sound machine



At a swap meet I obtained The MK II Roanoke Electronics The component was
sold in the
80s does any one have an operations manual or know where to obtain??? George
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45889 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: Nineteen and counting - LEDs
Good Morning All -
Scott's Odd-n-Ends Electronics carries both screw-in and bayonet-style LED bulbs in a mutitude of colors and hues. They are about $5.00 a bulb, plus shipping. He also carries a good line of other electronic items for AC trains.
View his site at:
www.scottsodds-n-ends.com
Jim E.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45890 From: WEG138@aol.com Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: RR history Adirondacks
This is a little off topic. A professor at my alma mater, Paul Smith's
College, has researched the Railroad history of the Adirondack Mountains. The
title is "Where did the Tracks go in the Central Adirondacks?" and the author is
Michael Kurdish. If you would like a copy contact the Purple Mountain Press
at

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45891 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
Nice idea, but a reverse loop needs the electrical problems covered as well. So if you find a way to do it, I bet a lot on the list would want to see how it's done.

jfred

Steve <notdavidspade@...> wrote: Since we're talking about sensing devices, have any of you guys
figured out how to automate a track switch? I'm looking/trying to
automate a switch so that if a train comes into (from) the curved
section and the switch is pointed straight, it automatically switches
over to the curve, preventing a derailment. I'm thinking of having a
dog-bone run of track that is basically one track with a reverse loop
on either side. If I have a train running on this, I'd like to "set
it and forget it" instead of constantly working the switches. Ideally
I'd like to have the switch auto-sense the opposite of what I just
described, that way the train would alternate the path each time it
made a lap. Hope this makes sense to someone out there. Thanks in
advance.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45892 From: George Cohn Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: Sound machine
Alan Evans wrote:
>
>
> Hello George,
>
> I purchased my Roanoke Sound system about 10 years ago at a
> train meet.

Here's another neat gadget for adding sound to your layout:

http://tinyurl.com/yg4w6t

It records and plays up to nine separate messages as long as the total
length of all messages is under four minutes. Several trigger options
so you could probably build something like the digital version of a
talking station with it.

It was originally designed as a repeating loop for audio marketing use
but has since been developed to do a lot more things.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 45893 From: Mike Rosz Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] 23040
excuse me but was Sears (robuck and Co.) selling American Flyer? I
thought they only had Marx in their catalog. What years?

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:28:18 -0500 "The Lairs" <headier@embalming>
writes:
I have all of the parts, but will have to wait until after the holidays
to get this done. BMW, some of the car #S in Bob Tufts book are wrong. No
24602, 24202, or 24102 exist. Should be 03's.

paflyrman
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Graves
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 23040

Bob Tufts book says the #20147 Sears Set featured two engines, #21160 and
#21808, and had a consist of a #24039, #24102, #24602, #24202, #24309,
#24019, #24602. It included 20 #26720 Curved Track, 6 #26700 Straight
Track, #26690 Track Terminal, #26670 Track Trip, #22020 50-watt
Transformer, #26782 set of 26 graduated black trestles, and #23040
Mountain, Tunnel, and Pass Set. That set contained both a trestle set and
the #23040 Mountain, Tunnel, and Pass Set. That's why I was surprised
that you seemed to be saying that the 23040 came with trestles.

Do you have enough loose track to make a figure 8 with the trestles and
Mountain, Tunnel, and Pass Set, plus one of those engines and enough of
those cars to make a train? If so, it would make a wonderful picture.

Bob

Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> wrote:
Bob,

I have looked through all my sources, including a 1958 catalog, and have
found nothing on the #23040 Mtn., Tunnel & Pass Set. Would guess this
group will be able to answer your question about which, if any, trains
were ever sold with this as a set? Wish I could be of more assistance on
this.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45894 From: Mike Rosz Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] GREEN BERG AMERICAN FLYER CATALOGUES 1946-1955
would it still be available at Greenberg's?

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:57:55 -0000 "porches" <aren't@scrotal> writes:
Does anyone know where I can purchase a copy of the book "GREEN BERG
AMERICAN FLYER CATALOGUES 1946-1955" at a reasonable price? It was
originally published in 1991 and cost $125.00 at that time. There is
one on By for $299.95 but that is too pricey for me.
Bob




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45895 From: Don Rodgers Sr. Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: LLC Handcar
Hi to all, I just opened my new Handcar and Shed 6-49815,, Set it on track
and no reverse... Does anyone out there have a fix for this or should I try
contacting Lionel...Thanks For Your Help, Don
Group: S-Trains Message: 45896 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Sears & AF
""""excuse me but was Sears (robuck and Co.) selling American Flyer?
I thought they only had Marx in their catalog. What years?"""""


I believe they also sold AF.
I'll check my old Sears repro catalog.

Rick.










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Group: S-Trains Message: 45897 From: Gary Chidester Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: Sears & AF
I believe my parents bought my 1964 Mowhawk set from the local Sears.

gary


On Nov 28, 2007, at 11:54 AM, Rick Evans wrote:

> """"excuse me but was Sears (robuck and Co.) selling American Flyer?
> I thought they only had Marx in their catalog. What years?"""""
>
> I believe they also sold AF.
> I'll check my old Sears repro catalog.
>
> Rick.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://S-Scale.org/albums
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45898 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: Sears & AF
My Mom and Dad bought my first AF set from Sears in Pensacola,
Florida. So yes Sears sold AF at least in some of their stores.

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> wrote:
>
> """"excuse me but was Sears (robuck and Co.) selling American
Flyer?
> I thought they only had Marx in their catalog. What years?"""""
>
>
> I believe they also sold AF.
> I'll check my old Sears repro catalog.
>
> Rick.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://S-Scale.org/albums
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45899 From: The LANIERs Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: Sears & AF
The AF Steam loco # 21106 was available only from Sears, as I understand it. That is why it is HTF and expensive, for a 4-4-2 Atlantic anyway.

paflyrman
----- Original Message -----
From: Bull_Gator_1
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:23 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Sears & AF


My Mom and Dad bought my first AF set from Sears in Pensacola,
Florida. So yes Sears sold AF at least in some of their stores.

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> wrote:
>
> """"excuse me but was Sears (robuck and Co.) selling American
Flyer?
> I thought they only had Marx in their catalog. What years?"""""
>
>
> I believe they also sold AF.
> I'll check my old Sears repro catalog.
>
> Rick.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://S-Scale.org/albums
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>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45900 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: LLC Handcar
I do not think this was designed so that the operator can control the
reverse. Instead the handcar will automaticly reverse when it hits the end of the
track or the end of the shed. The extended rods on the forward end of the
handcar must be pushed in by the bumper or other obstruction at the end of the
track for the handcar to reverse.

- Earl Henry, Nashville

In a message dated 11/28/2007 3:02:38 PM Central Standard Time,
drmusic244@... writes:

Hi to all, I just opened my new Handcar and Shed 6-49815,, Set it on track
and no reverse... Does anyone out there have a fix for this or should I try
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45901 From: clayk@lonestartrains.com Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] GREEN BERG AMERICAN FLYER CATALOGUES 1946-1955
No, it is not.

Clay
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Rosz [mailto:n9guy@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:20 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [Strains] GREEN BERG AMERICAN FLYER CATALOGUES 1946-1955

would it still be available at Greenberg's?

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:57:55 -0000 "porches" <aren't@scrotal> writes:
Does anyone know where I can purchase a copy of the book "GREEN BERG
AMERICAN FLYER CATALOGUES 1946-1955" at a reasonable price? It was
originally published in 1991 and cost $125.00 at that time. There is
one on By for $299.95 but that is too pricey for me.
Bob

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45902 From: Scale S Only Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: Sears & AF
Sears also sold Revell HO and Varney HO at one time. I got my first HO car
there...
Bill Winans

My Mom and Dad bought my first AF set from Sears in Pensacola,
Florida. So yes Sears sold AF at least in some of their stores.

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 45903 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: PVMR LAYOUT IN GAP. PA
The Pequea Valley Model Railroaders
set up their new layout at the Dutchway
Super Market in Gap, PA.
http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMR.html

Enjoy the ride.

Glenn

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45904 From: Roger Delthony Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: Smitty Needs Help
Rob,

Check the angle between the long axis of the brakeman's base and the direction the pile on the base lies in. I believe that the pile has to be at perhaps a 45' angle to the base. That way, when Smitty gets to the end of the slot in the car roof, it turns him to the side and then around and back down the car.


Roger Delthony
rpd5@...
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45905 From: Greg Klein Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: BAAFC Operating at the B&O Museum
The Baltimore Area American Flyer Club will be operating at the
Baltimore and Ohio Museum beginning Thursday morning, November 27
through Sunday, December 2 as part of the annual Festival of Trains.
The museum is located on W. Pratt Street in downtown Baltimore. If you
are in the Baltimore area, stop by and see S gauge hi-rail operating in
the beautiful B&O roundhouse.

We have two layouts, our major hi-rail setup with city, monorail, two
large yards and many, many operating accessories. We also have a
smaller winter farm scene and fantasy forest scene done in white. The
layout features S Helper track, Lemax buildings, acessories, mountains
and trees. Santa's caboose and Rudolf's car will be featured along
with the other American Flyer and S Helper Christmas cars.

Hope to see you there. And everyone have a happy and wonderful Holiday
Season.

Greg Klein
BAAFC
Group: S-Trains Message: 45906 From: clifma19@cox.net Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] 23040
I know that Sears sold American Flyer and Lionel in the 50's because I would go to the Sears in KC, Mo and run the trains all day at least once each Christmas time.
Clifford Manning
Topeka, KS

---- Mike Rosz <n9guy@...> wrote:
> excuse me but was Sears (robuck and Co.) selling American Flyer? I
> thought they only had Marx in their catalog. What years?
>
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:28:18 -0500 "The Lairs" <headier@embalming>
> writes:
> I have all of the parts, but will have to wait until after the holidays
> to get this done. BMW, some of the car #S in Bob Tufts book are wrong. No
> 24602, 24202, or 24102 exist. Should be 03's.
>
> paflyrman
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Graves
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 6:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 23040
>
> Bob Tufts book says the #20147 Sears Set featured two engines, #21160 and
> #21808, and had a consist of a #24039, #24102, #24602, #24202, #24309,
> #24019, #24602. It included 20 #26720 Curved Track, 6 #26700 Straight
> Track, #26690 Track Terminal, #26670 Track Trip, #22020 50-watt
> Transformer, #26782 set of 26 graduated black trestles, and #23040
> Mountain, Tunnel, and Pass Set. That set contained both a trestle set and
> the #23040 Mountain, Tunnel, and Pass Set. That's why I was surprised
> that you seemed to be saying that the 23040 came with trestles.
>
> Do you have enough loose track to make a figure 8 with the trestles and
> Mountain, Tunnel, and Pass Set, plus one of those engines and enough of
> those cars to make a train? If so, it would make a wonderful picture.
>
> Bob
>
> Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> wrote:
> Bob,
>
> I have looked through all my sources, including a 1958 catalog, and have
> found nothing on the #23040 Mtn., Tunnel & Pass Set. Would guess this
> group will be able to answer your question about which, if any, trains
> were ever sold with this as a set? Wish I could be of more assistance on
> this.
>
> Mike
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45907 From: Don Rodgers Sr. Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: LLC Handcar
Thanks Henry, But I've tryed that....It doesn't reverse when the rod pushes
in. Thanks. Don


>From: tennsgauge@...
>Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: LLC Handcar
>Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:53:23 EST
>
>
>I do not think this was designed so that the operator can control the
>reverse. Instead the handcar will automaticly reverse when it hits the end
>of the
>track or the end of the shed. The extended rods on the forward end of the
>handcar must be pushed in by the bumper or other obstruction at the end of
>the
>track for the handcar to reverse.
>
>- Earl Henry, Nashville
>
>In a message dated 11/28/2007 3:02:38 PM Central Standard Time,
>drmusic244@... writes:
>
>Hi to all, I just opened my new Handcar and Shed 6-49815,, Set it on track
>and no reverse... Does anyone out there have a fix for this or should I try
>contacting Lionel...Thanks For Your Help, Don
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45908 From: frank emiro Date: 11/28/2007
Subject: Re: LLC Handcar
If you just bought it or it is under warranty, Send it back through the dealer or call L.

"Don Rodgers Sr." <drmusic244@...> wrote: Thanks Henry, But I've tryed that....It doesn't reverse when the rod pushes
in. Thanks. Don

>From: tennsgauge@...
>Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: LLC Handcar
>Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:53:23 EST
>
>
>I do not think this was designed so that the operator can control the
>reverse. Instead the handcar will automaticly reverse when it hits the end
>of the
>track or the end of the shed. The extended rods on the forward end of the
>handcar must be pushed in by the bumper or other obstruction at the end of
>the
>track for the handcar to reverse.
>
>- Earl Henry, Nashville
>
>In a message dated 11/28/2007 3:02:38 PM Central Standard Time,
>drmusic244@... writes:
>
>Hi to all, I just opened my new Handcar and Shed 6-49815,, Set it on track
>and no reverse... Does anyone out there have a fix for this or should I try
>contacting Lionel...Thanks For Your Help, Don
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45909 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 11/29/2007
Subject: Wanted
I would like to find a complete DC motor and power truck ( don't
necessarily need the side frames ) for a LTI GP-9. Any one out in AF land
have one kicking around in there junk drawer???
Jerry 77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 45910 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/29/2007
Subject: Re: Sears & AF
***(((I got my first HO car there...)))****

Me too!
But it was Aurora (SP?).

Rick.







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Group: S-Trains Message: 45911 From: roy inman Date: 11/29/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] 23040, etc.
Yep Cliff, I too recall that huge Sears store on Cleveland that had an
entire floor of toys and two big layouts: one AF, one Lionel. The department
store scene in "A Christmas Story" reminds me of that old Sears...It was in
fact, at the Sears store where my dad talked my into buying a Lionel for
Christmas that year instead of an American Flyer. I always wanted a Flyer,
and now that I am almost a grown-up, I can finally buy one!

And speaking of Sears, there was also one on the Country Club Plaza in KC,
albeit much smaller. One Christmas season at the Plaza store, my dad and I
were standing in front of a large stack of Lionel Girl's Train sets on sale
for $20.00 or so. He kept trying to justify why we should buy one, but my
mom said "Who wants a pink train?" Ah if we only knew then what we know now.
Had we bought one or maybe even two, never taken them out of the boxes and
sold them at today's prices, I could now afford pretty much all the old and
new S stuff that I could every desire.

Cheers :)

Roy Inman

From: clifma19@...
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:32:32 -0500
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Mike Rosz <n9guy@...>
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [Strains] 23040


I know that Sears sold American Flyer and Lionel in the 50's because I would
go to the Sears in KC, Mo and run the trains all day at least once each
Christmas time.
Clifford Manning
Topeka, KS

---- Mike Rosz <n9guy@... <mailto:n9guy%40juno.com> > wrote:
> excuse me but was Sears (robuck and Co.) selling American Flyer? I
> thought they only had Marx in their catalog. What years?
>
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:28:18 -0500 "The Lairs" <headier@embalming>
> writes:
> I have all of the parts, but will have to wait until after the holidays
> to get this done. BMW, some of the car #S in Bob Tufts book are wrong. No
> 24602, 24202, or 24102 exist. Should be 03's.
>
> paflyrman
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Graves
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 6:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 23040
>
> Bob Tufts book says the #20147 Sears Set featured two engines, #21160 and
> #21808, and had a consist of a #24039, #24102, #24602, #24202, #24309,
> #24019, #24602. It included 20 #26720 Curved Track, 6 #26700 Straight
> Track, #26690 Track Terminal, #26670 Track Trip, #22020 50-watt
> Transformer, #26782 set of 26 graduated black trestles, and #23040
> Mountain, Tunnel, and Pass Set. That set contained both a trestle set and
> the #23040 Mountain, Tunnel, and Pass Set. That's why I was surprised
> that you seemed to be saying that the 23040 came with trestles.
>
> Do you have enough loose track to make a figure 8 with the trestles and
> Mountain, Tunnel, and Pass Set, plus one of those engines and enough of
> those cars to make a train? If so, it would make a wonderful picture.
>
> Bob
>
> Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@... <mailto:ruth.leahy%40colorado.edu> >
wrote:
> Bob,
>
> I have looked through all my sources, including a 1958 catalog, and have
> found nothing on the #23040 Mtn., Tunnel & Pass Set. Would guess this
> group will be able to answer your question about which, if any, trains
> were ever sold with this as a set? Wish I could be of more assistance on
> this.
>
> Mike
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45912 From: Scale S Only Date: 11/29/2007
Subject: Re: Sears & AF
It was a Varney sheet metal boxcar kit, UP. Cost 98 cents. Although I
sold or gave that car away many, many years ago, I found a duplicate at a
swap meet 30 years ago or so that I still have.

Bill

***(((I got my first HO car there...)))****

Me too!
But it was Aurora (SP?).

Rick.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45913 From: barb Date: 11/29/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] 23040, etc.
Roy,

Even I as a young girl would not have even for a moment
considered buying a pink train let alone an L train. So
don't berate yourself.

Barb

PS I hope we never grow up... ;-)
-----Original Message-----
>From: roy inman <rinphoto@...>
>Sent: Nov 29, 2007 12:32 AM
>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [Strains] 23040, etc.
>
>Yep Cliff, I too recall that huge Sears store on Cleveland that had an
>entire floor of toys and two big layouts: one AF, one Lionel. The department
>store scene in "A Christmas Story" reminds me of that old Sears...It was in
>fact, at the Sears store where my dad talked my into buying a Lionel for
>Christmas that year instead of an American Flyer. I always wanted a Flyer,
>and now that I am almost a grown-up, I can finally buy one!
>
>And speaking of Sears, there was also one on the Country Club Plaza in KC,
>albeit much smaller. One Christmas season at the Plaza store, my dad and I
>were standing in front of a large stack of Lionel Girl's Train sets on sale
>for $20.00 or so. He kept trying to justify why we should buy one, but my
>mom said "Who wants a pink train?" Ah if we only knew then what we know now.
>Had we bought one or maybe even two, never taken them out of the boxes and
>sold them at today's prices, I could now afford pretty much all the old and
>new S stuff that I could every desire.
>
>Cheers :)
>
>Roy Inman
>
>From: clifma19@...
>Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:32:32 -0500
>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Cc: Mike Rosz <n9guy@...>
>Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [Strains] 23040
>
>
>I know that Sears sold American Flyer and Lionel in the 50's because I would
>go to the Sears in KC, Mo and run the trains all day at least once each
>Christmas time.
>Clifford Manning
>Topeka, KS
>
>---- Mike Rosz <n9guy@... <mailto:n9guy%40juno.com> > wrote:
>> excuse me but was Sears (robuck and Co.) selling American Flyer? I
>> thought they only had Marx in their catalog. What years?
>>
>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:28:18 -0500 "The Lairs" <headier@embalming>
>> writes:
>> I have all of the parts, but will have to wait until after the holidays
>> to get this done. BMW, some of the car #S in Bob Tufts book are wrong. No
>> 24602, 24202, or 24102 exist. Should be 03's.
>>
>> paflyrman
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Robert Graves
>> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 6:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 23040
>>
>> Bob Tufts book says the #20147 Sears Set featured two engines, #21160 and
>> #21808, and had a consist of a #24039, #24102, #24602, #24202, #24309,
>> #24019, #24602. It included 20 #26720 Curved Track, 6 #26700 Straight
>> Track, #26690 Track Terminal, #26670 Track Trip, #22020 50-watt
>> Transformer, #26782 set of 26 graduated black trestles, and #23040
>> Mountain, Tunnel, and Pass Set. That set contained both a trestle set and
>> the #23040 Mountain, Tunnel, and Pass Set. That's why I was surprised
>> that you seemed to be saying that the 23040 came with trestles.
>>
>> Do you have enough loose track to make a figure 8 with the trestles and
>> Mountain, Tunnel, and Pass Set, plus one of those engines and enough of
>> those cars to make a train? If so, it would make a wonderful picture.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@... <mailto:ruth.leahy%40colorado.edu> >
>wrote:
>> Bob,
>>
>> I have looked through all my sources, including a 1958 catalog, and have
>> found nothing on the #23040 Mtn., Tunnel & Pass Set. Would guess this
>> group will be able to answer your question about which, if any, trains
>> were ever sold with this as a set? Wish I could be of more assistance on
>> this.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> ---------------------------------
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>> it now.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45914 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 11/29/2007
Subject: Not Sears AF, but AF custom car
The Sears - AF thread reminded me of an oddball Flyer flat that a friend had, about 1961: Keyright is (was?) a Seymour, CT manufacturer of insulated wire and cable (it was the filming location for "Dirty Rotten Scoundrels") and I had a friend whose father worked there. Paul had a depressed center flat with reel, maroon plastic car, yellow reel, and the reel was stamped (or whatever) for Keyright. If you lived in S. CT back then, their huge reels were a very common sight on semis. His Dad got it for him. Donn Lowe says its possible, but he never saw one. Has anyone else seen one? BTW Paul's trains went out the window when he went to college-I asked.-John Marganski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45915 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/29/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted
In a message dated 11/29/2007 8:05:40 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
grdobbs@... writes:




I would like to find a complete DC motor and power truck ( don't
necessarily need the side frames ) for a LTI GP-9. Any one out in AF land
have one kicking around in there junk drawer???
Jerry 77-11644






I don't have any junk drawer ones Jerry, but do have some brand new ones if
interested.

Steve
SnS Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 45916 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/29/2007
Subject: Re: Sears & AF
Silly me..........I was thinkin' HO race cars!!
I'll go back to sleep now.

Rick.



It was a Varney sheet metal boxcar kit, UP. Cost 98 cents. Although I
sold or gave that car away many, many years ago, I found a duplicate at a
swap meet 30 years ago or so that I still have.

Bill

***(((I got my first HO car there...)))****

Me too!
But it was Aurora (SP?).

Rick.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45917 From: Steve Date: 11/29/2007
Subject: Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
I've already tackled the electrical problems of the reverse loop.
There are two ways to do this. A "snap relay" from atlas is a decent
under table solution, but I like modifying the flyer switch to do the
job. Its more compact and requires less table wiring. I made a small
webpage that shows how I modified the switch.

www.geocities.com/notdavidspade/reverseloop
I think I may be able to come up with something for automation of the
switch with some track trips and a snap relay. I'm still thinking it
through and playing with wires, but was wondering if someone else that
isn't afraid of copyright infringement has a solution already.

Thanks
Steve in New Port Richey, FL

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, JFrederick Roberts <jfred436@...> wrote:
>
> Nice idea, but a reverse loop needs the electrical problems covered
as well. So if you find a way to do it, I bet a lot on the list would
want to see how it's done.
>
> jfred
>
> Steve <notdavidspade@...> wrote: Since
we're talking about sensing devices, have any of you guys
> figured out how to automate a track switch? I'm looking/trying to
> automate a switch so that if a train comes into (from) the curved
> section and the switch is pointed straight, it automatically switches
> over to the curve, preventing a derailment. I'm thinking of having a
> dog-bone run of track that is basically one track with a reverse loop
> on either side. If I have a train running on this, I'd like to "set
> it and forget it" instead of constantly working the switches. Ideally
> I'd like to have the switch auto-sense the opposite of what I just
> described, that way the train would alternate the path each time it
> made a lap. Hope this makes sense to someone out there. Thanks in
> advance.
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45918 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Donate a Train this Christmas
Season's Greetings Everyone!

It's hard to believe another year has passed and it's almost
Christmas again. My office is once again involved with the
Salvation Army's Angel Tree program. We placed a Christmas tree in
our lobby and hung 100 Angel cards. Each card represents a child
needing clothing. They also put one or two toys they would like
Santa to bring them.

My wife and I chose a boy and a girl each year. I get to pick the
children and always scour the boys' cards looking for a boy wanting
a train set. Then I find a girl between 4 and 6 years old for my
wife. We have two adult boys and still no daughters-in-law or
grandchildren so this is my wife's only opportunity to go shopping
in the little girls department! My wife gets all the clothing needs
for the boy and girl. Then we both pick out the toys for the little
girl.

That leaves me to get the train!!!! I would love to give an
American Flyer or S-gauge set, but I'm never sure if the boy I pick
has anyone around to help him with the set-up, maintenance
and "engineering" skills to keep an old AF train running. This year
I picked a 3 year old so AF was definitely out for him. I got him a
Thomas coaling tower and water tank set. Hopefully this one doesn't
have lead based paint.

There are plenty of fine organizations like the Salvation Army
looking for donations to help the needy. So if you can, please help
make this holiday season special for a needy child!

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

David "BG1" Tyner
Group: S-Trains Message: 45919 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Re: Wanted
Steve,

Okay - what are you devious folks in Idaho up to!! The 13 ft wheelbase of this power truck just cries to become the drive unit for an EMD model 40 critter!!!

GBG!!!

Keep in touch!

Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@...
Sn42 and Hn42 Radio Controlled operator
River Logging fan
Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan
Virginian Rwy fan
Bonsai grasshopper
Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana.



----- Original Message -----
From: boss31@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wanted



In a message dated 11/29/2007 8:05:40 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
grdobbs@... writes:

I would like to find a complete DC motor and power truck ( don't
necessarily need the side frames ) for a LTI GP-9. Any one out in AF land
have one kicking around in there junk drawer???
Jerry 77-11644

I don't have any junk drawer ones Jerry, but do have some brand new ones if
interested.

Steve
SnS Trains





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45920 From: Timboy Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
Hi,

There is another solution. It involves using some type of reliable
track trips and two old ACG switches mounted upside-down under the
table. The two switches act as "latch relays". You then run the track
voltage through the rails of the "latch relay" switches and up to the
isolated reverse loop. When the switches throw, the polarity is
reversed to the loop if you've done the wiring from the "snap relay"
switches correctly. It stays that way till the two "latch relay"
switches are thrown back. I have found them to be much more robust
than the Atlas Snap Relay. I don't know how many Atlas Snap Relays
I've burned out. You can also run the track trip(s) lead through a 12v
relay and take a power lead from a hefty transformer - such as a 30B to
the relay and feed it to the "latch relay" switches so you know they
will snap hard every single time. I made a post on this procedure
about 6 months ago, I think. There wasn't much interest in it at the
time, I recall. Maybe that was 'cuz it wasn't "layout season". You
could do a search through the database for "latch relay", or reference
Message #43931 for my original posting.

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45921 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Lionel powered GEEP trucks
In a message dated 11/30/2007 8:42:46 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
dmunseyjr@... writes:

Steve,

Okay - what are you devious folks in Idaho up to!! The 13 ft wheelbase of
this power truck just cries to become the drive unit for an EMD model 40
critter!!!

GBG!!!

Keep in touch!

Don Munsey, Jr _dmunseyjr@..._ (mailto:dmunseyjr@...)



Just happen to have a few brand new Lionel Motored up GEEP trucks, Don. I
bought them for the trucks to use in powering up non powered ALCO A units or non
powered GEEP tag alongs. Have used most of them but still have a couple
left. We usually remove the Lionel power train and use our own which are better
geared.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45922 From: Edward G. Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Re: Donate a Train this Christmas
Whats wrong with the paint Bull.....We all grew up and never had
probs ..what a bunch of BS about nothing ...and we all are still here
playing with our unsafe toys ...

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...>
wrote:
>
> Season's Greetings Everyone!
>
> It's hard to believe another year has passed and it's almost
> Christmas again. My office is once again involved with the
> Salvation Army's Angel Tree program. We placed a Christmas tree in
> our lobby and hung 100 Angel cards. Each card represents a child
> needing clothing. They also put one or two toys they would like
> Santa to bring them.
>
> My wife and I chose a boy and a girl each year. I get to pick the
> children and always scour the boys' cards looking for a boy wanting
> a train set. Then I find a girl between 4 and 6 years old for my
> wife. We have two adult boys and still no daughters-in-law or
> grandchildren so this is my wife's only opportunity to go shopping
> in the little girls department! My wife gets all the clothing needs
> for the boy and girl. Then we both pick out the toys for the little
> girl.
>
> That leaves me to get the train!!!! I would love to give an
> American Flyer or S-gauge set, but I'm never sure if the boy I pick
> has anyone around to help him with the set-up, maintenance
> and "engineering" skills to keep an old AF train running. This year
> I picked a 3 year old so AF was definitely out for him. I got him
a
> Thomas coaling tower and water tank set. Hopefully this one
doesn't
> have lead based paint.
>
> There are plenty of fine organizations like the Salvation Army
> looking for donations to help the needy. So if you can, please help
> make this holiday season special for a needy child!
>
> Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
>
> David "BG1" Tyner
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45923 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: (no subject)
I would like to find a complete DC motor and power truck ( don't
necessarily need the side frames ) for a LTI GP-9. Any one out in AF
land
have one kicking around in there junk drawer???
Jerry 77-11644



I don't have any junk drawer ones Jerry, but do have some brand new ones
if
interested.

Steve
SnS Trains


Steve: please send me your E- mail address. New power trucks have to be
better than junk ones.
Jerry 77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 45924 From: roy inman Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Re: Donate a Train this Christmas
As you will recall Edward, from your reading of "The Decline and Fall of the
Roman Empire," one of the reasons given for that society's retrograde was
due to lead poisoning via the famed aqueducts.

Problem is, some of the symptoms are subtle, especially in adults. So we
might be dumb and not know it...

Roy Inman

From: "Edward G." <am-flyr@...>
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:59:01 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Donate a Train this Christmas


Whats wrong with the paint Bull.....We all grew up and never had
probs ..what a bunch of BS about nothing ...and we all are still here
playing with our unsafe toys ...

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...>
wrote:
>
> Season's Greetings Everyone!
>
> It's hard to believe another year has passed and it's almost
> Christmas again. My office is once again involved with the
> Salvation Army's Angel Tree program. We placed a Christmas tree in
> our lobby and hung 100 Angel cards. Each card represents a child
> needing clothing. They also put one or two toys they would like
> Santa to bring them.
>
> My wife and I chose a boy and a girl each year. I get to pick the
> children and always scour the boys' cards looking for a boy wanting
> a train set. Then I find a girl between 4 and 6 years old for my
> wife. We have two adult boys and still no daughters-in-law or
> grandchildren so this is my wife's only opportunity to go shopping
> in the little girls department! My wife gets all the clothing needs
> for the boy and girl. Then we both pick out the toys for the little
> girl.
>
> That leaves me to get the train!!!! I would love to give an
> American Flyer or S-gauge set, but I'm never sure if the boy I pick
> has anyone around to help him with the set-up, maintenance
> and "engineering" skills to keep an old AF train running. This year
> I picked a 3 year old so AF was definitely out for him. I got him
a
> Thomas coaling tower and water tank set. Hopefully this one
doesn't
> have lead based paint.
>
> There are plenty of fine organizations like the Salvation Army
> looking for donations to help the needy. So if you can, please help
> make this holiday season special for a needy child!
>
> Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
>
> David "BG1" Tyner
>






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45925 From: jt12313 Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Lionel 6 wheel Geep trucks for DD35 project
Is there anyone out there among our S-vendors that sell Lionel service parts I need a newer geep truck or trucks with the upright can motor.

My DD 35 project has been gathering dust for the last two years because I cannot find 4 axle trucks and I built the DD35 cab (out of two gp-7s) too close to prototype (short nose) so I cannot use the old style motorized geep truck because the model will not turn.

I figure I should just settle for three axle trucks and chalk it up to "what would Gilbert do" I just need to know where I can get them, if they are available

Jeff



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45926 From: George Cohn Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Re: Donate a Train this Christmas
Edward G. wrote:
>
>
> Whats wrong with the paint Bull.....We all grew up and never had
> probs ..what a bunch of BS about nothing ...and we all are still here
> playing with our unsafe toys ...

I'm afraid that this is like global warming. Some folks believe it,
some not. However for your amusement you might want to read this page
from the National Safety Council:

http://www.nsc.org/library/facts/lead.htm

I for one will try to avoid using anything with paint containing lead.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 45927 From: Tom Hawley Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Your health
----- Original Message -----
. . . . . ...and we all are still here playing with our unsafe toys ...
> > > > > > > >
-------Response------------
Are we all still here? That's specious logic. Is every one you considered
part of your group 20 years ago still alive and in good health?

Will you look around at a gathering of friends & relatives this holiday
season and say "Everyone now in this room is still alive and in fine shape.
That disproves all health warnings, cigarettes, lead, seat-belts &c &c." ??

Tom Hawley
Group: S-Trains Message: 45928 From: Robert Graves Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: For sale: two more Flyonel freight cars added to list
I have two more Flyonel NIB freight cars to sell:

#48702 Wabash Caboose made in 1988. It was part of the Historic American Railroads #6 (HAR#6) Wabash Freight Set.

#48726 NYC Work & Boom Car made in 2004 & 2005.

I have checked and they are indeed new in the box. High resolution pictures are on my website:

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/for_sale.html

Make me an offer.

That webpage also lists a 916 gondola that has lost its canisters.

Two of the cars I offered earlier are now on ebay:

#930 Tuscan Caboose with riveted light socket, made only in 1957. Among the rarest of Gilbert cabooses, this Tuscan #930 that has the light socket riveted to the floor. It is in Excellent condition. The original sticker is in place. I don't have the box. The 2006 Greenberg lists it at $150 and the 2005 Price Update from Bangzoom's Train Tracker software lists it at $275.

49031 Great Northern Walking Brakeman Boxcar from Lionel's 2006 catalog List Price $79.99; Buy-It-Now price is $71.99, the pre-order price of 10% off list.

Pictures are also on the same web page.


Bob



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45929 From: Rick Evans Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Takin' my 282 loco apart tonight
The ol' 282 is ready for a little tune-up/clean-up, maybe some new brushes, grease, etc.
It's been quite a while since I've worked on a loco. Things are coming apart
quite nicely, course, that's the easy part! I hope I can get it back together again!
I'll be taking apart the motor in just a bit. Keep your fingers crossed for me.

Rick "Where did that spring go?" Evans.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45930 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Re: DONATE A TRAIN
OK... LEAD is bad... Back to the other subject.. I can't recall which train
dealer was involved Fred's or Joe's Trains...But there for awhile I was
sending broken or unwanted cars & engines & track to someone that rehabed them &
gave them out at Xmas Sometimes up to 35 sets were given out. Kieth Kuzma
might remember as I got ill & have forgotten. Might have been the lead I didn't
put in my mouth, except split shot sinkers for fishing. Mike S



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45931 From: Scale S Only Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Re: Donate a Train this Christmas
Enlightening.
Thanks!
Bill Winans


However for your amusement you might want to read this page
from the National Safety Council:

http://www.nsc.org/library/facts/lead.htm

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 45932 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] 23040, etc.
Barb,

That is great about you not getting a pink train set, as at a train show last year, someone was selling cap guns, which I am surprised to see that they are still made and sold in today's world.

They had "pink" cap guns, for girls and Linda was totally disgusted at that site, as she said, she had a silver cap gun as a kid and she would never buy a pink cap gun!!!!!

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: barb
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [Strains] 23040, etc.


Roy,

Even I as a young girl would not have even for a moment
considered buying a pink train let alone an L train. So
don't berate yourself.

Barb

PS I hope we never grow up... ;-)
-----Original Message-----
>From: roy inman <rinphoto@...>
>Sent: Nov 29, 2007 12:32 AM
>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [Strains] 23040, etc.
>
>Yep Cliff, I too recall that huge Sears store on Cleveland that had an
>entire floor of toys and two big layouts: one AF, one Lionel. The department
>store scene in "A Christmas Story" reminds me of that old Sears...It was in
>fact, at the Sears store where my dad talked my into buying a Lionel for
>Christmas that year instead of an American Flyer. I always wanted a Flyer,
>and now that I am almost a grown-up, I can finally buy one!
>
>And speaking of Sears, there was also one on the Country Club Plaza in KC,
>albeit much smaller. One Christmas season at the Plaza store, my dad and I
>were standing in front of a large stack of Lionel Girl's Train sets on sale
>for $20.00 or so. He kept trying to justify why we should buy one, but my
>mom said "Who wants a pink train?" Ah if we only knew then what we know now.
>Had we bought one or maybe even two, never taken them out of the boxes and
>sold them at today's prices, I could now afford pretty much all the old and
>new S stuff that I could every desire.
>
>Cheers :)
>
>Roy Inman
>
>From: clifma19@...
>Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:32:32 -0500
>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Cc: Mike Rosz <n9guy@...>
>Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [Strains] 23040
>
>
>I know that Sears sold American Flyer and Lionel in the 50's because I would
>go to the Sears in KC, Mo and run the trains all day at least once each
>Christmas time.
>Clifford Manning
>Topeka, KS
>
>---- Mike Rosz <n9guy@... <mailto:n9guy%40juno.com> > wrote:
>> excuse me but was Sears (robuck and Co.) selling American Flyer? I
>> thought they only had Marx in their catalog. What years?
>>
>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:28:18 -0500 "The Lairs" <headier@embalming>
>> writes:
>> I have all of the parts, but will have to wait until after the holidays
>> to get this done. BMW, some of the car #S in Bob Tufts book are wrong. No
>> 24602, 24202, or 24102 exist. Should be 03's.
>>
>> paflyrman
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Robert Graves
>> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 6:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 23040
>>
>> Bob Tufts book says the #20147 Sears Set featured two engines, #21160 and
>> #21808, and had a consist of a #24039, #24102, #24602, #24202, #24309,
>> #24019, #24602. It included 20 #26720 Curved Track, 6 #26700 Straight
>> Track, #26690 Track Terminal, #26670 Track Trip, #22020 50-watt
>> Transformer, #26782 set of 26 graduated black trestles, and #23040
>> Mountain, Tunnel, and Pass Set. That set contained both a trestle set and
>> the #23040 Mountain, Tunnel, and Pass Set. That's why I was surprised
>> that you seemed to be saying that the 23040 came with trestles.
>>
>> Do you have enough loose track to make a figure 8 with the trestles and
>> Mountain, Tunnel, and Pass Set, plus one of those engines and enough of
>> those cars to make a train? If so, it would make a wonderful picture.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@... <mailto:ruth.leahy%40colorado.edu> >
>wrote:
>> Bob,
>>
>> I have looked through all my sources, including a 1958 catalog, and have
>> found nothing on the #23040 Mtn., Tunnel & Pass Set. Would guess this
>> group will be able to answer your question about which, if any, trains
>> were ever sold with this as a set? Wish I could be of more assistance on
>> this.
>>
>> Mike
>>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45933 From: Steve Date: 11/30/2007
Subject: Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
I agree that the atlas "snap relay" product is junk. Unfortunately,
it seems they are the only game in town for a snap action relay. Last
year when I was looking at solutions I couldn't find anything useful
in the electronic catalogs. My preferred solution would be relatively
cheap (less than $5) relay that can be plugged into a base. Although
the ACG switches would be considerably more robust than the atlas
stuff, it is an expensive solution. (granted I've seen the
controllers go for more than the switches before, but switches aren't
too cheap)

That said, I'm still listening out there for a way to automate the
switch throw. If we can come up with something cheap enough, I may do
all my switches with this "safety" feature. That way if the beer hand
happens to move faster than my switch throwing hand, the citizens of
Plasticville will be spared a derailment. Lord knows the old Amtrak
doesn't need another one of those!


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <Timboy@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> There is another solution. It involves using some type of reliable
> track trips and two old ACG switches mounted upside-down under the
> table. The two switches act as "latch relays". You then run the track
> voltage through the rails of the "latch relay" switches and up to the
> isolated reverse loop. When the switches throw, the polarity is
> reversed to the loop if you've done the wiring from the "snap relay"
> switches correctly. It stays that way till the two "latch relay"
> switches are thrown back. I have found them to be much more robust
> than the Atlas Snap Relay. I don't know how many Atlas Snap Relays
> I've burned out. You can also run the track trip(s) lead through a 12v
> relay and take a power lead from a hefty transformer - such as a 30B to
> the relay and feed it to the "latch relay" switches so you know they
> will snap hard every single time. I made a post on this procedure
> about 6 months ago, I think. There wasn't much interest in it at the
> time, I recall. Maybe that was 'cuz it wasn't "layout season". You
> could do a search through the database for "latch relay", or reference
> Message #43931 for my original posting.
>
> S-Happens,
> Tim Brown
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45934 From: ken_5556 Date: 12/1/2007
Subject: Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
I suppose that you can use a latching relay such as

Mouser 528-785XBXCD-12D (Magnecraft 785XBXCD-12D)

$11.24 each for lot of 10, plus socket.

Dual coil, 12vdc, Latching relay

http://www.mouser.com/catalog/632/1559.pdf

http://www.mouser.com/search/refine.aspx?Ntt=528-785XBXCD-12D

Ken








--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <notdavidspade@...> wrote:
>
> I agree that the atlas "snap relay" product is junk. Unfortunately,
> it seems they are the only game in town for a snap action relay.
Last
> year when I was looking at solutions I couldn't find anything useful
> in the electronic catalogs. My preferred solution would be
relatively
> cheap (less than $5) relay that can be plugged into a base.
Although
> the ACG switches would be considerably more robust than the atlas
> stuff, it is an expensive solution. (granted I've seen the
> controllers go for more than the switches before, but switches
aren't
> too cheap)
>
> That said, I'm still listening out there for a way to automate the
> switch throw. If we can come up with something cheap enough, I may
do
> all my switches with this "safety" feature. That way if the beer
hand
> happens to move faster than my switch throwing hand, the citizens of
> Plasticville will be spared a derailment. Lord knows the old Amtrak
> doesn't need another one of those!
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <Timboy@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > There is another solution. It involves using some type of
reliable
> > track trips and two old ACG switches mounted upside-down under
the
> > table. The two switches act as "latch relays". You then run the
track
> > voltage through the rails of the "latch relay" switches and up to
the
> > isolated reverse loop. When the switches throw, the polarity is
> > reversed to the loop if you've done the wiring from the "snap
relay"
> > switches correctly. It stays that way till the two "latch relay"
> > switches are thrown back. I have found them to be much more
robust
> > than the Atlas Snap Relay. I don't know how many Atlas Snap
Relays
> > I've burned out. You can also run the track trip(s) lead through
a 12v
> > relay and take a power lead from a hefty transformer - such as a
30B to
> > the relay and feed it to the "latch relay" switches so you know
they
> > will snap hard every single time. I made a post on this
procedure
> > about 6 months ago, I think. There wasn't much interest in it at
the
> > time, I recall. Maybe that was 'cuz it wasn't "layout season".
You
> > could do a search through the database for "latch relay", or
reference
> > Message #43931 for my original posting.
> >
> > S-Happens,
> > Tim Brown
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45935 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 12/1/2007
Subject: (no subject)
Steve wrote:

3b. Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
Posted by: "Steve" notdavidspade@... notdavidspade
Date: Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:55 pm ((PST))

I agree that the atlas "snap relay" product is junk. Unfortunately,
it seems they are the only game in town for a snap action relay. Last
year when I was looking at solutions I couldn't find anything useful
in the electronic catalogs. My preferred solution would be relatively
cheap (less than $5) relay that can be plugged into a base. Although
the ACG switches would be considerably more robust than the atlas
stuff, it is an expensive solution. (granted I've seen the
controllers go for more than the switches before, but switches aren't
too cheap)

That said, I'm still listening out there for a way to automate the
switch throw. If we can come up with something cheap enough, I may do
all my switches with this "safety" feature. That way if the beer hand
happens to move faster than my switch throwing hand, the citizens of
Plasticville will be spared a derailment. Lord knows the old Amtrak
doesn't need another one of those!


STEVE:
Use a jerry circuit. All of my RR crossings are protected with the
battery powered cross buck from Christmas villages, which cost about
$7.00 each. I use a AF #696 track trip, sends current to through a full
wave rectifier to operate a small 12 volt DC relay, to turn on the cross
buck, by keeping the battery power to the signal turned on, and, cutting
one wire to the signal, and routing it through the relay to turn the
signal on. With A 2000uf capacitor across the relay coil ( keeping in
mind of the polarity of the capacitor + to + ) the capacitor is charged
every time a wheel hits the track trip. With a 2000uf capacitor, the
relay will remain closed for about 5 seconds. A larger capacitor will
hold the relay closed longer, A smaller capacitor, shorted time. This in
short is a timed circuit. With the battery powered crossing bucks, the
batteries they last about 2 years, and requite no add'l transformer to
plug in or to turn on, the circuit is activated with track power.

Using this circuit to activate AF track turnouts, requires installing a
micro switch inside the switch to turn off the power to the switch coil
to prevent burning out the coil with prolong usage. The jerry circuit
works well with AF crossing gates.

Jerry 77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 45936 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 12/1/2007
Subject: Re: Your health
All here? Let's see, Tom J. is gone, how many others? Is it time we did a memorial for those who are gone?

Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote: ----- Original Message -----
. . . . . ...and we all are still here playing with our unsafe toys ...
> > > > > > > >
-------Response------------
Are we all still here? That's specious logic. Is every one you considered
part of your group 20 years ago still alive and in good health?

Will you look around at a gathering of friends & relatives this holiday
season and say "Everyone now in this room is still alive and in fine shape.
That disproves all health warnings, cigarettes, lead, seat-belts &c &c." ??

Tom Hawley






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45937 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 12/1/2007
Subject: Looking for SOUTHERN RAILWAY PULLMAN CARS by SHS/AM
I am looking to purchase or to trade for a couple of Southern Railway Pullman
cars that I currently do not have. I have extras of the Southern Railway
Cafe cars, baggage cars, RPO cars, and Pullman cars HERSHEY and FAIRFAX HARRISON.


The two cars I am looking for are Southern Railway Pullmans with names other
than HERSHEY or FAIRFAX HARRISON.

In a trade, I would throw in a nice sweetener to the deal.

Please contact me offline if you have either one of these cars and are
interesting in selling them or trading them.

- Earl Henry, Nashville, TN
615/352-1181
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45938 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/1/2007
Subject: 282 loco * update*
Well,
After putting in new brushes and cleaning the commutator, I was disappointed
with my favorite 282's performance. I think the commutator is too worn. Years ago I pulled out
the original armature (was having the "faster in reverse" thing goin' on) and replaced it with
one from an older Atlantic. Correct me if I'm wrong, is this a smaller motor?

So, I have what I believe to be a 282 that was repainted and renumbered that I bought
of eBay quite a while back. It runs great, doesn't smoke, but runs great. I stole it's
armature and popped it into my 282. Got it back on the track and...........nothing!
The tender seemed to be going through it's cycles fine, headlight was coming on, it
smoked but the loco wouldn't move, unless I picked up the back-end. Huh?

After putting on my glasses and using a flashlight, it looked to like a brush wasn't making
correct contact. I removed the spring and turned it around, put the loco back
on the track, and.............BINGO.......the
loco ran great!! Best it's run/ran (that was for Barb) in a long time.

Finally got to bed after 1:30 am..........but I was very happy.

Rick.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45939 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 12/1/2007
Subject: Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other accessories
I have had some success with Radio Shack relays. I have some that run on 5V
DC but the contacts handle higher current than the Atlas Snap relays like.
I provided the 5V DC by dropping a resistor and diode in line with the relay
coil. These have become harder to find in the stores so you might try
other sources or Radio Shack on line.

Chuck Smith

http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

cesmith@...



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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:32 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Sensing devices for use with AF and other
accessories



I agree that the atlas "snap relay" product is junk. Unfortunately,
it seems they are the only game in town for a snap action relay. Last
year when I was looking at solutions I couldn't find anything useful
in the electronic catalogs. My preferred solution would be relatively
cheap (less than $5) relay that can be plugged into a base. Although
the ACG switches would be considerably more robust than the atlas
stuff, it is an expensive solution. (granted I've seen the
controllers go for more than the switches before, but switches aren't
too cheap)

That said, I'm still listening out there for a way to automate the
switch throw. If we can come up with something cheap enough, I may do
all my switches with this "safety" feature. That way if the beer hand
happens to move faster than my switch throwing hand, the citizens of
Plasticville will be spared a derailment. Lord knows the old Amtrak
doesn't need another one of those!

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com,
"Timboy" <Timboy@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> There is another solution. It involves using some type of reliable
> track trips and two old ACG switches mounted upside-down under the
> table. The two switches act as "latch relays". You then run the track
> voltage through the rails of the "latch relay" switches and up to the
> isolated reverse loop. When the switches throw, the polarity is
> reversed to the loop if you've done the wiring from the "snap relay"
> switches correctly. It stays that way till the two "latch relay"
> switches are thrown back. I have found them to be much more robust
> than the Atlas Snap Relay. I don't know how many Atlas Snap Relays
> I've burned out. You can also run the track trip(s) lead through a 12v
> relay and take a power lead from a hefty transformer - such as a 30B to
> the relay and feed it to the "latch relay" switches so you know they
> will snap hard every single time. I made a post on this procedure
> about 6 months ago, I think. There wasn't much interest in it at the
> time, I recall. Maybe that was 'cuz it wasn't "layout season". You
> could do a search through the database for "latch relay", or reference
> Message #43931 for my original posting.
>
> S-Happens,
> Tim Brown
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45940 From: Richard Lind Date: 12/1/2007
Subject: Chopping SHS Turnouts
One of Robert Nicholson's published plans included a chopped SHS
turnout. I'd like to do that to minimize 19" radius trackage on a
small layout I'm building.

Does anyone have experience chopping up SHS switches? If so, any
suggestions based on experience?

Dick Lind
Group: S-Trains Message: 45941 From: barb Date: 12/1/2007
Subject: Re: 282 loco * update*
Rick,



You turned the spring around ??? Hummm... the brush being turned

I can understand - but the spring? Can you explain that to me?



Barb



PS It's run not ran :-)



-----Original Message-----
>From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...>
>Sent: Dec 1, 2007 2:41 PM
>To: STrains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [S-Trains] 282 loco * update*
>
>Well,
>After putting in new brushes and cleaning the commutator, I was disappointed
>with my favorite 282's performance. I think the commutator is too worn. Years ago I pulled out
>the original armature (was having the "faster in reverse" thing goin' on) and replaced it with
>one from an older Atlantic. Correct me if I'm wrong, is this a smaller motor?
>
>So, I have what I believe to be a 282 that was repainted and renumbered that I bought
>of eBay quite a while back. It runs great, doesn't smoke, but runs great. I stole it's
>armature and popped it into my 282. Got it back on the track and...........nothing!
>The tender seemed to be going through it's cycles fine, headlight was coming on, it
>smoked but the loco wouldn't move, unless I picked up the back-end. Huh?
>
>After putting on my glasses and using a flashlight, it looked to like a brush wasn't making
>correct contact. I removed the spring and turned it around, put the loco back
>on the track, and.............BINGO.......the
>loco ran great!! Best it's run/ran (that was for Barb) in a long time.
>
>Finally got to bed after 1:30 am..........but I was very happy.
>
>Rick.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45942 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/1/2007
Subject: You turned the spring around ???
You all think I'm nuts, huh?
Well........I am.

But the spring on one end, didn't have a.......shall we say......a nice rounded-connected
end. I think the brush was going INSIDE the spring somewhat and not making
the right contact. So I turned the spring around and used the better end.

Clear as mud??

Rick "I really am nuts" Evans.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45943 From: Timboy Date: 12/1/2007
Subject: Re: You turned the spring around ???
Hi Rick,

Your explanation is clear. Good snag. In the process, you may have
cleaned the brush tube a little as well to let the spring fully extend
without restriction. Whenever I changed brushes, I always thought it
was a good idea to use a pipe cleaner with lighter fluid to degrease
the tubes. Even the highest quality machine oil can find cat hair to
gum up with. Not that any of us have any cat hair near our trains.
No. <grin>. I bet there are a lot of cat/train stories that could be
told on this List!

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45945 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/1/2007
Subject: Gilbertsville Sunday Dec 2 Show
Tomorrrows Gilbertsville Train Show has been RE-SCHEDULED for Sunday Dec
16th, due to impending snow, sleet, ice, freezing rain and whatever other guesses
the "prognosticators" have. Just got my call from Mark Lehmann, the promoter.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45946 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 12/1/2007
Subject: Re: You turned the spring around ???
Makes sense, even more so with pre war flyer which have one end of
the spring considerably smaller than the other and might be put in
the wrong way round. BTW when dismantling AF or any other ac motors
I always gicve the brush holders a good spray with channel cleaner
and make sure the brushes move freely in the holders. I reckon 90%
of non working motor problems I have found have been due to sticking
brushes (reversers naturally excluded!). Oh and clean the contact
point of the brushes with a file or sandpaper. Alistair
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> wrote:
>
> You all think I'm nuts, huh?
> Well........I am.
>
> But the spring on one end, didn't have a.......shall we say......a
nice rounded-connected
> end. I think the brush was going INSIDE the spring somewhat and
not making
> the right contact. So I turned the spring around and used the
better end.
>
> Clear as mud??
>
> Rick "I really am nuts" Evans.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45947 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: Re: You turned the spring around ???
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the brush has a shoulder or smaller diameter at
one end to fit the smaller end of the spring. Mike S.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45948 From: monte_heppe Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: Atlas snap relay
I beg to differ about the snap relays being junk. I have a number of
them on my layout controling polarity on two reverse loops and a wye.
Thay have ben working reliably for over ten years. It does help to
keep your AF switches maintained so they don't stick. A snap relay
wired in parrallel to a sticky AF switch can burn out as it is
certainly not as robust as the switch coils.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45949 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: Re;Chopping SHS Turnouts
As a small layout builder, I have looked into this very question,
but have yet to need to cut down an SHS turnout for any of my layouts.
However, careful inspection shows me that this can be done on all
three track ends if you are very careful. You can take 1/2" off the
throat end without messing up the switch throw mechanism and leaving
room for rail joiners. A bit of cosmetic work might be needed.
On the curved leg 2 1/4" can be removed without hitting anything
vital, but by then you're into the straight leg too far. On the
straight leg 1 1/2" can be taken off, so this would be the practical
length to cut the curved leg to match. The metal covers on the
underside of the turnout will need to be trimmed to match to keep
something from under the turnout from jamming the linkages.
The trick is not cutting into all the works on the underside of the
SHS turnout. There are several electrical connections and the
linkage for the moving frog (this is the key component which makes
these so good.) It might be possible to remove and rewire the
electrical connections under the turnout to shorten it even further,
however the slight gain wouldn't be worth the hassle in my estimation
(and I'm a Mad Butcher!)
Be advised that it is rather easy to break the tiny tabs (spike
heads)which hold the rails to the roadbed, so take it easy cutting
the rails.
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45950 From: Timboy Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: Re: Atlas snap relay
Hi,

A lot might have to do with the type and amount of track voltage you
are using. My experience with the Atlas Snap Relay is that it will
quickly arc when using 18-21v DC track current. I went through about a
dozen of them finding that out, which is why I went to a "latching
relay" of my own invention. Maybe they work just fine off 15-18v AC
track voltage. Also, beware their mislabeling. I bought some "O
gauge" Atlas Snap Relays directly from Atlas, thinking they would be
more robust than the "HO gauge" Snap Relay. Wrong! They are the exact
same Snap Relay, in a different box. Cute.

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45951 From: Timboy Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: Re: Re;Chopping SHS Turnouts
Hi,

If anyone is considering doing what Stumpy has suggested - and why not -
then I recommend the use of a portable band saw with a new metal-
cutting blade. It will go through a lot of various metals (not all
though) like a hot knife through butta, very surgically. Not as an
endorsement, but I use a portable Delta table-top band saw. I found it
to be the easiest band saw on the market to match up with a metal-
cutting blade of the correct size. I bought 3-4 blades 'cuz you never
know when a manufacturer will up and discontinue a part.

Like Stumpy, I am a basher. Why? Because I can and that is enough of
a reason for me.

Good luck to any and all who may wish to try cutting down SHS switches,
or anything else, for that matter. If you do, please post a pic or two
of your results so that we might all learn from your experiences.

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45952 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: Re: Atlas snap relay
Has anyone tried using capacitive discharge power to throw the switch and
the Snap relay?



I have used them and very happily for years on other types of twin-coil
switch motors in a variety of scales. I like the idea having extra
electrical switch points in parallel with the switch motor. This discussion
has been very interesting.



Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of monte_heppe
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 8:31 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Atlas snap relay



I beg to differ about the snap relays being junk. I have a number of
them on my layout controling polarity on two reverse loops and a wye.
Thay have ben working reliably for over ten years. It does help to
keep your AF switches maintained so they don't stick. A snap relay
wired in parrallel to a sticky AF switch can burn out as it is
certainly not as robust as the switch coils.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45953 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: Re: 282 loco * update*
Actually, what happened---turning the spring loosened the brush. Brushtubes
will develope a "ridge" inside, I always kept the proper size drill bit on the
bench to ream the tubes (turn it thru with your FINGERS) when repairing Flyer
at NTTM. It is normal to stretch the spring when replacing the brushes, on
"runners" I replace brushes AND springs to minimize downtime. Our Dutchway
"runners" are here now for cleaning and whatever for another 4 days of running.
The 312 gets a replacement armature OR a can motor after this is over. The
312 has the "speed reverse" problem also.
Using it (312) to pull 12 SHS freight cars, once again have to put Flyer or
Flyonel car in the string to keep from slamming the tender on the 312. Had to
chase the SHS cars the other day, while setting them on the track, when our
80 yr old member nudged them out of the way. OFF they go, me chasing to get
them back. That's when I added the "drag".

Smoked a new FLYONEL C &NW "Baldwin" on our layout the first morning. One
of the crew set it on the track, it made a circuit, he then added three cars,
it REFUSED to pull thru the first curve, removed the cars, it burnt up on the
10th lap. They were impressed with Flyonel quality, I wasn't surprised.

Jim "enjoying the non-ice event on the Keystone Main" Lyle
Group: S-Trains Message: 45954 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: Re: You turned the spring around ???
In a message dated 12/2/2007 8:05:31 AM Eastern Standard Time,
anormal1@... writes:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the brush has a shoulder or smaller diameter at
one end to fit the smaller end of the spring. Mike S.

I've disassembled THREE 48-49 engines in a row with "slotted" brushes,
rather than "shoulder" brushes. Not sure if factory or repair shop without proper
parts. Seemed strange because there is no correlation to the three engines.

Jim Lyle
Group: S-Trains Message: 45955 From: Chuck Bukauskas Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: looking for help -followup
Have posted pictures of my work
http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/


Sorry, Yahoo has done something with my original
email that I sent up back in mid-November.



Summary:
with the Given room constaints, how can I re-work
what I have done so that
1) I can put in some scenery...such as a hills...
2) would like to put in a turn table. Saw Tom
Robinson's first hand.
3) Current layout has 4 main lines. Think that is
too much .. (Lesson learned) Maybe 2 lines.. and
with DCC, that would give me plenty of
challenges.
4) Some type of town..

I've looked in mags and nothing has popped out
and said this is the one..

Tried sketching by hand, used CADRAIl, by Sandia,
Just haven't found the one that would meet my
"loose" objectives.

Time up in attic is very short lived. Too hot for
a good part of the year. No way of
airconditioning...

Finally, I am not a craftsman or artist or
handiman or electronics expert. Envious of all
out there that have those abilities.



Any suggestions as to how could do things
differently with given constraints would be
greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Chuck Bukauskas
Cordova,Tn
Group: S-Trains Message: 45956 From: David Dewey Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: 282 Loco Update
Rick,
The motors are the same size, BUT there are variations in the armatures,
some caused by production changes, and some for different purposes--ie:
AC/DC vs DC only. Not enough time right now to get into it, gotta go to
work, which might take up Chat time--AAAUGH!!
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45957 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/2/2007
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45958 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: amatures/motors.......
Right David, same size. I didn't word that right.
It's for sure different. I see more wires and less metal.
That make sense?
Is the output the same?

Rick.




The motors are the same size, BUT there are variations in the armatures,
some caused by production changes, and some for different purposes--ie:
AC/DC vs DC only. Not enough time right now to get into it, gotta go to
work, which might take up Chat time--AAAUGH!!
S'
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45959 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: Re: Not Sears AF, but AF custom car
"Kerite" is still in Seymour producing insulated cable & wire. Wow, I'd sure like a Flyer car like that!!
Pete henningsen, Milford, Ct.

----- Original Message -----
From: john isn't eddie anymore
Date: Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:37 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Not Sears AF, but AF custom car
To: S-Trains , TCA group

> The Sears - AF thread reminded me of an oddball Flyer flat that
> a friend had, about 1961: Keyright is (was?) a Seymour, CT
> manufacturer of insulated wire and cable (it was the filming
> location for "Dirty Rotten Scoundrels") and I had a friend whose
> father worked there. Paul had a depressed center flat with reel,
> maroon plastic car, yellow reel, and the reel was stamped (or
> whatever) for Keyright. If you lived in S. CT back then, their
> huge reels were a very common sight on semis. His Dad got it for
> him. Donn Lowe says its possible, but he never saw one. Has
> anyone else seen one? BTW Paul's trains went out the window when
> he went to college-I asked.-John Marganski
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45960 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: Re: amatures/motors.......
Would be distinct differences in "thicknesses" of armature and field
laminations. The regular motors were not as thick (not as many laminations) as the
larger, sometimes called "super" motors. There is a guy around here doing
armatures/fields up to one inch thick. Do NOT know his name. Can probably get
from Freddy Jester(_fredstrainparts@..._ (mailto:fredstrainparts@...) ) ,
tho.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45961 From: (no author) Date: 12/2/2007
Subject: Missing posts ...
I want to know ...WHY ..My posts always go missing MR MODERATOR ...
Who the L is the censor that always thinks he has the right to hit the
delete button ..??????....

NOTE FROM MODERATOR..

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SORRY..
Group: S-Trains Message: 45962 From: Donald Munsey Jr. Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: New S scale kits- tug & barge
My Friends,

For some months now, I've been after Ed Fillion of Deerfield River Laser to recut some of his 1:48 boat kits in 1:64. The request has been answered with a small tug and flat top rail barge!

Take a look at this message to the Deerfield River Yahoo group.

Go to Ed's website and/or his Yahoo group to see the pix.

Keep in touch!

Don Munsey, Jr dmunseyjr@...
Sn42 and Hn42 Radio Controlled operator
River Logging fan
Big Sandy & Cumberland RR fan
Virginian Rwy fan
Bonsai grasshopper
Living in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Fillion
To: deerfieldriver@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 6:24 PM
Subject: [deerfieldriver] New S scale kits- tug & barge


Hi Group,

I know most of you are O scale modelers like I am. But we have a few
modelers that are into S scale and one has requested a rail barge for
his logging layout. It had to be short, just large enough for two log
cars. So we made a 52 foot barge set up for one Sn42 track. He also
wanted our tug boat pilot house done in S scale. We have that done also.

And while at the Portland Narrow Gauge convention, we hooked up with
Bruce at Seaport Model Works. He had a resin hull for his HO sardine
carrier that makes a 48 foot hull in S Scale. With that hull, we now
have the S scale tug as well as the pilot house available.

We'll have pricing in a day or so. If these kits do well we will expand
our line of S scale products.

By the way, the barge is available with a flat deck and makes a good O
scale scow, smaller than the barges we already have. In O scale it's a
40 X 16 ft barge, and in S scale its a 52 X 21 ft barge.

The pictures are in the S scale kits album.

Thanks for looking,
Ed Fillion, Deerfield River Laser





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45963 From: clayton deich Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Re: amatures/motors.......
Hi, he's on Ebay selling them, and he make one larger
them any OEM ever made. Also they tend to go for more
then $100.00 each.




Clayton S. D.
--- WJJIM@... wrote:

> Would be distinct differences in "thicknesses" of
> armature and field
> laminations. The regular motors were not as thick
> (not as many laminations) as the
> larger, sometimes called "super" motors. There is a
> guy around here doing
> armatures/fields up to one inch thick. Do NOT know
> his name. Can probably get
> from Freddy Jester(_fredstrainparts@..._
> (mailto:fredstrainparts@...) ) ,
> tho.
>
> Jim Lyle
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 45964 From: gettysburg9 Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: AF remote switch controller question?
Curious about problem with my early AF switches (1946 I believe). They
are remotes but have metal vertical lever to slide direction change
manually. Excellent condition. Whenever activated by the dual remote
controller (many different controllers tried), the switch changes but
continues to buzz. Only after moving controller lever away from the
end of its travel(indicator lite on controller then goes out)does it
quit buzzing. Anyone know what causes this? Makes using original AF
controllers impossible unless one shortens the throw at each end (thus
not having the indicator light working on the controller)
Group: S-Trains Message: 45965 From: DPDB@AOL.com Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Re: amatures/motors.......
The fellow that made the super armatures,motors whatever was Bob Foster Sr
. He is a member of SJSG. Fred Jester sold them for him.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45966 From: Edward G. Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Re: Missing posts ...
The post I sent wasnt off topic at all it clearly mentioned trains in
the in it and the fun kids had with them smoking ....coarse I guess
some dont read what they delete .......



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, aUser wrote:
>
> I want to know ...WHY ..My posts always go missing MR MODERATOR ...
> Who the L is the censor that always thinks he has the right to hit
the
> delete button ..??????....
>
> NOTE FROM MODERATOR..
>
> NO ONE IS SINGLED OUT. OCCASIONALLY THE POSTS ARE JUST TOO FAR OFF
TOPIC TO FORWARD.
>
> SORRY..
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45967 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Re: AF remote switch controller question?
The early switches (720) were wired to have power always on from the
controller. They used a different controller than later (720a) switches.
Sounds like you are using a later controller with an early switch.



Chuck Smith

http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

cesmith@...



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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of gettysburg9
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:19 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] AF remote switch controller question?



Curious about problem with my early AF switches (1946 I believe). They
are remotes but have metal vertical lever to slide direction change
manually. Excellent condition. Whenever activated by the dual remote
controller (many different controllers tried), the switch changes but
continues to buzz. Only after moving controller lever away from the
end of its travel(indicator lite on controller then goes out)does it
quit buzzing. Anyone know what causes this? Makes using original AF
controllers impossible unless one shortens the throw at each end (thus
not having the indicator light working on the controller)





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45968 From: wyoaf Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: e-mail bounce back
I forwarded AF Layout Plans booklet to post, but it bounced back due to
size. It was 17 pages of schematic trackplans. Diagnostic indicates
that it exceeded the Group's databytes limit. I concurrently cc'ed it
to 4 members that had contacted me about the booklet and it seems those
transmissions went through. Give me an alternative, unconstrained
address and I'll resend. Otherwise, I don't know how to post it to
this site. Thanks. / jmd .
Group: S-Trains Message: 45969 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Re: AF remote switch controller question?
The 720 switches made in 1946 until changed to the
720A switches used a different switch controller.
Unfortunately it looks the same as the controller for
the 720A switches. One way to tell the difference is
that the 720A controller levers return to center after
release while the 720 levers stay in the thrown
position. The buzzing you hear is the current
continuing to flow through the coil and it will burn
out if left activated. Your solution to move the lever
in the opposite direction until the buzzing stops is
electrically correct as it disconnects the current
feed to the coil without activating the opposite
direction solenoid.

Bill Drake
Central Virginia
--- gettysburg9 <gettysburg@...> wrote:

> Curious about problem with my early AF switches
> (1946 I believe). They
> are remotes but have metal vertical lever to slide
> direction change
> manually. Excellent condition. Whenever activated
> by the dual remote
> controller (many different controllers tried), the
> switch changes but
> continues to buzz. Only after moving controller
> lever away from the
> end of its travel(indicator lite on controller then
> goes out)does it
> quit buzzing. Anyone know what causes this? Makes
> using original AF
> controllers impossible unless one shortens the throw
> at each end (thus
> not having the indicator light working on the
> controller)
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45970 From: jnr59@aol.com Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Attention all S Scalers who need B&O Passenger Car (or other) Decals
Group,
I spoke with a guy from Microscale today regarding production of S scale
size decals using esisting artwork which was used to manufacture both HO and O
guage decals. Please look at the MicroScale website listed below to see color
samples of each decal (the first html brings you to the stripe section,
click below on that page to get to see the other decals). They all look fairly
inclusive to me but I welcome comments from the Group concerning their
artwork. .
PLEASE NOTE THAT MICROSCALE HAS NEVER MADE B&O DECALS FOR S GUAGE!

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45971 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Spring/brushes photo
I found this photo on bay.
I think the problem I had with one of my springs (in my 282 loco that I turned around)
is it got stretched-out and that's why it wasn't right on one end.
http://i1.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/a8/f4/4971_1_sbl.JPG


Rick.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45972 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Re: 282 loco * update*
***(((It is normal to stretch the spring when replacing the brushes, on
"runners" I replace brushes AND springs to minimize downtime. )))****

Yep, I believe Jim is right.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45973 From: rcon7@bellsouth.net Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Re: e-mail bounce back
Send me a copy please... Bob conner

-------------- Original message from "wyoaf" <davis@...>: --------------

I forwarded AF Layout Plans booklet to post, but it bounced back due to
size. It was 17 pages of schematic trackplans. Diagnostic indicates
that it exceeded the Group's databytes limit. I concurrently cc'ed it
to 4 members that had contacted me about the booklet and it seems those
transmissions went through. Give me an alternative, unconstrained
address and I'll resend. Otherwise, I don't know how to post it to
this site. Thanks. / jmd .




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Group: S-Trains Message: 45974 From: wayne hallowell Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Re: e-mail bounce back
JMD: Please send me a copy. Thanks...Wayne Hallowell


> I forwarded AF Layout Plans booklet to post, but it
> bounced back due to
> size. It was 17 pages of schematic trackplans.
> Diagnostic indicates
> that it exceeded the Group's databytes limit. I
> concurrently cc'ed it
> to 4 members that had contacted me about the booklet
> and it seems those
> transmissions went through. Give me an alternative,
> unconstrained
> address and I'll resend. Otherwise, I don't know
> how to post it to
> this site. Thanks. / jmd .
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45975 From: James Hannawald Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Re: e-mail bounce back
JMD: Please send me a copy. Thanks...Jim Hannawald

----- Original Message -----
From: wyoaf
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 4:05 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] e-mail bounce back


I forwarded AF Layout Plans booklet to post, but it bounced back due to
size. It was 17 pages of schematic trackplans. Diagnostic indicates
that it exceeded the Group's databytes limit. I concurrently cc'ed it
to 4 members that had contacted me about the booklet and it seems those
transmissions went through. Give me an alternative, unconstrained
address and I'll resend. Otherwise, I don't know how to post it to
this site. Thanks. / jmd .





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Group: S-Trains Message: 45976 From: ken_5556 Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Re: e-mail bounce back
Please send me a copy.

Thank you,
Ken Prott


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wyoaf" <davis@...> wrote:
>
> I forwarded AF Layout Plans booklet to post, but it bounced back
due to
> size. It was 17 pages of schematic trackplans. Diagnostic
indicates
> that it exceeded the Group's databytes limit. I concurrently cc'ed
it
> to 4 members that had contacted me about the booklet and it seems
those
> transmissions went through. Give me an alternative, unconstrained
> address and I'll resend. Otherwise, I don't know how to post it to
> this site. Thanks. / jmd .
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45977 From: Jim Hare Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Remote Control Unit
Greetings all, new to your group. Pulled my dad's A/F out of 30 year
storage so I am just beginning. Can you tell me the purpose of the
"Remote Control" unit in the coal car behind the locomotive, besides
what seems to be an on/off switch. I have a 285 and 307 that both
switches seem to be shot. I am able to bypass them and the
locomotives run. I know there is an authenticity thing that I would
like to preserve, but since they were my dads, they will not be
leaving my possession any time soon. Also, there seems to be a
capacitor/resistor setup in the 285 that seems to be bouncing around
unattached (the 285 was actually bypassed already). Any idea the
function?

Thanks

Jim
Group: S-Trains Message: 45978 From: clifma19@cox.net Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Re: Remote Control Unit
Jim,
The units in the tenders are the reverse control units for most AF trains.
I recommend that you start by reading material on http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/
There are several people on this group that have helped rebuild and refurbish many trains. You will find that the American Flyer trains are very well built and dependable. There are parts to repair or replace any thing that goes wrong.
Best of luck and let me know if I can help.
Clifford Manning
Topeka, KS

---- Jim Hare <james.e.hare@...> wrote:
> Greetings all, new to your group. Pulled my dad's A/F out of 30 year
> storage so I am just beginning. Can you tell me the purpose of the
> "Remote Control" unit in the coal car behind the locomotive, besides
> what seems to be an on/off switch. I have a 285 and 307 that both
> switches seem to be shot. I am able to bypass them and the
> locomotives run. I know there is an authenticity thing that I would
> like to preserve, but since they were my dads, they will not be
> leaving my possession any time soon. Also, there seems to be a
> capacitor/resistor setup in the 285 that seems to be bouncing around
> unattached (the 285 was actually bypassed already). Any idea the
> function?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45979 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/3/2007
Subject: Re: Remote Control Unit
On the #285 the unit in the tender is the whistle. That is what the Cap. is
for. There should also be a speaker.If someone could send a pic. or scan Pg.24
of the K-Line book it shows it. Also I believe that Hobby Surplus.com has
these pages or expanded views. Mike S. in Ore
Group: S-Trains Message: 45980 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Re: 295 engine REMOTE CONTROL UNIT
TrainRepairParts.com - Over 4,000 American Flyer and Lionel Repair parts for your antique trains.

Here is a link to there web site. Mike S.

http://www.hobbysurplus.com/americanflyerlocodiagrams.asp
Group: S-Trains Message: 45981 From: Tim Benner Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Re: e-mail bounce back
I would also like to have a copy!
Thanks,
Tim Benner


On 12/3/07, wyoaf <davis@...> wrote:
>
> I forwarded AF Layout Plans booklet to post, but it bounced back due to
> size. It was 17 pages of schematic trackplans. Diagnostic indicates
> that it exceeded the Group's databytes limit. I concurrently cc'ed it
> to 4 members that had contacted me about the booklet and it seems those
> transmissions went through. Give me an alternative, unconstrained
> address and I'll resend. Otherwise, I don't know how to post it to
> this site. Thanks. / jmd .
>
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 45982 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Re: Remote Control Unit - Photo Posted
Jim,

I posted a photo of an AF tender showing the capacitor, resistor,
speaker and reverse unit. The switch on the bottom of the tender is
part of the reverse unit and allows you to lock the engine in either
the forward or reverse mode if you want. You can view the photo at:

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/449b?c=

BG1


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Hare" <james.e.hare@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings all, new to your group. Pulled my dad's A/F out of 30 year
> storage so I am just beginning. Can you tell me the purpose of the
> "Remote Control" unit in the coal car behind the locomotive, besides
> what seems to be an on/off switch. I have a 285 and 307 that both
> switches seem to be shot. I am able to bypass them and the
> locomotives run. I know there is an authenticity thing that I would
> like to preserve, but since they were my dads, they will not be
> leaving my possession any time soon. Also, there seems to be a
> capacitor/resistor setup in the 285 that seems to be bouncing around
> unattached (the 285 was actually bypassed already). Any idea the
> function?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45983 From: afironhorse Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Re: Lionel 6 wheel Geep trucks for DD35 project
-
Jeff,
Mr Bill Harrison at the web address below is a Lionel parts supplier.
He may have the part you need.

David

http://sandwparts.com



-- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jt12313" <jt12313@...> wrote:
>
> Is there anyone out there among our S-vendors that sell Lionel
service parts I need a newer geep truck or trucks with the upright
can motor.
>
> My DD 35 project has been gathering dust for the last two years
because I cannot find 4 axle trucks and I built the DD35 cab (out of
two gp-7s) too close to prototype (short nose) so I cannot use the
old style motorized geep truck because the model will not turn.
>
> I figure I should just settle for three axle trucks and chalk it up
to "what would Gilbert do" I just need to know where I can get them,
if they are available
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45984 From: Michael Rector Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: AF layout Plans
I would appreciate it if you would send me a copy, please.

wyoaf <davis@...> wrote: I forwarded AF Layout Plans booklet to post, but it bounced back due to
size. It was 17 pages of schematic trackplans. Diagnostic indicates
that it exceeded the Group's databytes limit. I concurrently cc'ed it
to 4 members that had contacted me about the booklet and it seems those
transmissions went through. Give me an alternative, unconstrained
address and I'll resend. Otherwise, I don't know how to post it to
this site. Thanks. / jmd .






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Group: S-Trains Message: 45985 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Latest Photos
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?b=1&m=t&o=0
I have the latest photos of the table, as the table is done.

The slide show shows a interesting metamorphic growth from just wood on the floor to a completed table with stained wood border. The table looks like a piece of furniture, I believe Stumpy told me. O:)! Yes, Thanksgiving dinner will be served for all next year on this table, as the custom cup holders are on order. JUST KIDDING!

Track has been put down already, as pictures will follow soon.

Now where to put down the S scale cats Linda got last month in Strasburg. But we are going back to Strasburg this weekend, so that could be dangerous, she will buy more of those cats. I hope Strasburg RR shoppe is out of them. LOL

And we will see Bob Board's layout.

Mike Marmer



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Group: S-Trains Message: 45986 From: Edward G. Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Noma talking station
Anyone got the explosion diagram for the motor& player of this
unit ....a helpfull friend took mine apart but has now forgotten how
to put the unit back together .....suffering with OLDTIMERS.....
Group: S-Trains Message: 45987 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Very nice! You make those of us in cramped quarters green with envy!
Jim E.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...>

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?b=1&m=t&o=0
I have the latest photos of the table, as the table is done.

The slide show shows a interesting metamorphic growth from just wood on the floor to a completed table with stained wood border. The table looks like a piece of furniture, I believe Stumpy told me. O:)! Yes, Thanksgiving dinner will be served for all next year on this table, as the custom cup holders are on order. JUST KIDDING!

Track has been put down already, as pictures will follow soon.

Now where to put down the S scale cats Linda got last month in Strasburg. But we are going back to Strasburg this weekend, so that could be dangerous, she will buy more of those cats. I hope Strasburg RR shoppe is out of them. LOL

And we will see Bob Board's layout.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45988 From: Timboy Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Hi Mike,

That's a beautiful job! Thanks for posting your progress pics. Now
you can have some fun laying down your track!

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45989 From: Timboy Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Hi,

Please excuse the double post, but I think there is something of merit
to mention about your table. I don't know whether you intend to make a
toy-like train layout or a scale-like railroad, but your table
construction could lend itself well to either direction you take,
IMHO. You could lay out all your track, accessories, etc on the table
top. Or you could cut some table top out to make 3D scenery (above and
below grade) for a scale-like railroad. There is no wrong way.
Whatever you decide is right. I just think you are smart to build the
table with L-girder construction and I wanted to make that comment.

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 45990 From: Jim Hare Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Re: Remote Control Unit - Photo Posted
Thankyou so much, thats exactly the crap I have :)

Jim


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...>
wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> I posted a photo of an AF tender showing the capacitor, resistor,
> speaker and reverse unit. The switch on the bottom of the tender
is
> part of the reverse unit and allows you to lock the engine in
either
> the forward or reverse mode if you want. You can view the photo at:
>
> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/449b?c=
>
> BG1
>
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Hare" <james.e.hare@> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings all, new to your group. Pulled my dad's A/F out of 30
year
> > storage so I am just beginning. Can you tell me the purpose of
the
> > "Remote Control" unit in the coal car behind the locomotive,
besides
> > what seems to be an on/off switch. I have a 285 and 307 that both
> > switches seem to be shot. I am able to bypass them and the
> > locomotives run. I know there is an authenticity thing that I
would
> > like to preserve, but since they were my dads, they will not be
> > leaving my possession any time soon. Also, there seems to be a
> > capacitor/resistor setup in the 285 that seems to be bouncing
around
> > unattached (the 285 was actually bypassed already). Any idea the
> > function?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Jim
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45991 From: innotron Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Hi Mike,
Very nice job, what is the finished size of the table and how high off the floor did you build it?
Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:14 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Latest Photos



http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?b=1&m=t&o=0
I have the latest photos of the table, as the table is done.

The slide show shows a interesting metamorphic growth from just wood on the floor to a completed table with stained wood border. The table looks like a piece of furniture, I believe Stumpy told me. O:)! Yes, Thanksgiving dinner will be served for all next year on this table, as the custom cup holders are on order. JUST KIDDING!

Track has been put down already, as pictures will follow soon.

Now where to put down the S scale cats Linda got last month in Strasburg. But we are going back to Strasburg this weekend, so that could be dangerous, she will buy more of those cats. I hope Strasburg RR shoppe is out of them. LOL

And we will see Bob Board's layout.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45992 From: James Hannawald Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Mike,

What are the dimensions of you table?

Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 6:14 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Latest Photos



http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?b=1&m=t&o=0
I have the latest photos of the table, as the table is done.

The slide show shows a interesting metamorphic growth from just wood on the floor to a completed table with stained wood border. The table looks like a piece of furniture, I believe Stumpy told me. O:)! Yes, Thanksgiving dinner will be served for all next year on this table, as the custom cup holders are on order. JUST KIDDING!

Track has been put down already, as pictures will follow soon.

Now where to put down the S scale cats Linda got last month in Strasburg. But we are going back to Strasburg this weekend, so that could be dangerous, she will buy more of those cats. I hope Strasburg RR shoppe is out of them. LOL

And we will see Bob Board's layout.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45993 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: A chromed Atlantic on eBay
Group: S-Trains Message: 45994 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Fred's Train Parts Open House
Greetings all,

We are having an open house from December 5th until Christmas,12pm-6pm. All
that we offer will be on display for sale, which encompasses about 80 feet of
American Flyer parts, trains, and accessories from the floor to the ceiling.
If you are attending the Greenberg's train show at the Sun Center in Aston,
PA on December 15-16, our location is only 1 mile east on Concord Road.

For further details, you may call me toll-free @ 888-494-5821, 10 am-midnite
or contact me off list.

Regards, and thank-you for your time,

Fred Jester
Fred's Train Parts
2102 Concord Rd
Chester, Pa. 19013
Group: S-Trains Message: 45995 From: Scott Freeman Date: 12/4/2007
Subject: Re: A chromed Atlantic on eBay
Is this right or not? The reason I ask is I have a silver painted atlantic body that came to me from a former Gilbert worker a long time ago in a box of factory chrome rejects Mostly all PA's and passenger car bodies. Most have factory markings on the inside.
Scott

Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote:
I found this interesting!

http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-CHROME-9-S-Gauge-Loco-Tender-NR_W0QQitemZ260187652000QQihZ016QQcategoryZ480QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Rick.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45996 From: donabrams@comcast.net Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: 282 loco *update*
Replacement springs for the shoulder brushes measure 7/8" (usually).
I stretch mine to 1" before installing.
While stretching -- i gently twist in the direction they are wound so as not to
enlarge their diameter.
Don
Group: S-Trains Message: 45997 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: A Chromed Atlantic on eBay
Aside from whether this is collectable, why would you want to chrome
an Atlantic? I would think if you were making up dealer displays or
rewards, you'd do a top of the line locomotive! How about a chrome
Hudson or Northern?
Knowing how poor the chroming of plastic was back then, does this
loco look "too good" to be authentic after 57 years?
Just a couple of questions on this item, as I'm no Flyer expert.
Stumpy in a snowy Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 45998 From: Roy Hoffman Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: A chromed Atlantic on eBay
I thought I was looking at a brass import. It really points out how
much emphasis on realism that ACG put into his locomotives.

Roy Hoffman

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> wrote:
>
> I found this interesting!
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-CHROME-9-S-Gauge-Loco-Tender-NR_W0QQitemZ260187652000QQihZ016QQcategoryZ480QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Rick.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 45999 From: Scale S Only Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
That sure is some pretty benchwork! Are you a carpenter by trade, or just
really good at home projects?

Have fun!
Bill Winans

I have the latest photos of the table, as the table is done.
Mike Marmer
Group: S-Trains Message: 46000 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Thank Jim,

If you have cramped quarters, do like I did in this train room. Move a wall back!

That is what I did in 1993. The short wall was moved back 4.5 feet. Beats buying a new house. O:)!

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: jimensign50@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Latest Photos


Very nice! You make those of us in cramped quarters green with envy!
Jim E.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER" <mlmarmer@...>

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?b=1&m=t&o=0
I have the latest photos of the table, as the table is done.

The slide show shows a interesting metamorphic growth from just wood on the floor to a completed table with stained wood border. The table looks like a piece of furniture, I believe Stumpy told me. O:)! Yes, Thanksgiving dinner will be served for all next year on this table, as the custom cup holders are on order. JUST KIDDING!

Track has been put down already, as pictures will follow soon.

Now where to put down the S scale cats Linda got last month in Strasburg. But we are going back to Strasburg this weekend, so that could be dangerous, she will buy more of those cats. I hope Strasburg RR shoppe is out of them. LOL

And we will see Bob Board's layout.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46001 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Thanks Tim for the first message on the table.

It is a piece of furniture. As I am very pleased with how it came out.

I did have some email guidance from a TCA member in NJ, a very fine O gauger, Bill Zide. He was a big help to me on how to stain and use the joint compound.

Why the type of frame? It was the only instructions I had on making a table, as I knew of no other way. I am sure there are less complicated ways to build a table, but this is real sturdy. Wont move at all. It is like a tank.

Like the table, I am winging this layout. I am going to use a mixture of AF accessories, using the repros where I can. I want to have the some real looking features, like the roadways, signage, street lights, RR poles, etc. but have no problem putting out some Plasticville things, till I find something to replace it with. But the telephone booths stay, as that is a lifetime investment from 1993! A story I have told before.

I have one last section of custom track to make, as I will get some pictures of it with the track gang by it.

I need a golden spike. O:)!

Thanks Tim,
----- Original Message -----
From: Timboy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:13 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Latest Photos


Hi,

Please excuse the double post, but I think there is something of merit
to mention about your table. I don't know whether you intend to make a
toy-like train layout or a scale-like railroad, but your table
construction could lend itself well to either direction you take,
IMHO. You could lay out all your track, accessories, etc on the table
top. Or you could cut some table top out to make 3D scenery (above and
below grade) for a scale-like railroad. There is no wrong way.
Whatever you decide is right. I just think you are smart to build the
table with L-girder construction and I wanted to make that comment.

S-Happens,
Tim Brown





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46002 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Thanks Alex.

Legs are 40 inches, add 5/8 for the plywood top.

12'6" x 8' 9"

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: innotron
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Latest Photos


Hi Mike,
Very nice job, what is the finished size of the table and how high off the floor did you build it?
Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:14 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Latest Photos

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?b=1&m=t&o=0
I have the latest photos of the table, as the table is done.

The slide show shows a interesting metamorphic growth from just wood on the floor to a completed table with stained wood border. The table looks like a piece of furniture, I believe Stumpy told me. O:)! Yes, Thanksgiving dinner will be served for all next year on this table, as the custom cup holders are on order. JUST KIDDING!

Track has been put down already, as pictures will follow soon.

Now where to put down the S scale cats Linda got last month in Strasburg. But we are going back to Strasburg this weekend, so that could be dangerous, she will buy more of those cats. I hope Strasburg RR shoppe is out of them. LOL

And we will see Bob Board's layout.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46003 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Jim,

12 feet 6 inch x 8 feet 9 inches.

Dinner will be served next year on this dual table. LOL

GO TERPS! (I know you went to MD too!)

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: James Hannawald
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Latest Photos


Mike,

What are the dimensions of you table?

Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 6:14 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Latest Photos

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?b=1&m=t&o=0
I have the latest photos of the table, as the table is done.

The slide show shows a interesting metamorphic growth from just wood on the floor to a completed table with stained wood border. The table looks like a piece of furniture, I believe Stumpy told me. O:)! Yes, Thanksgiving dinner will be served for all next year on this table, as the custom cup holders are on order. JUST KIDDING!

Track has been put down already, as pictures will follow soon.

Now where to put down the S scale cats Linda got last month in Strasburg. But we are going back to Strasburg this weekend, so that could be dangerous, she will buy more of those cats. I hope Strasburg RR shoppe is out of them. LOL

And we will see Bob Board's layout.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46004 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Fred's Train Parts Open House
A bit too far to drive Fred, but thanks.....

Steve
SnS
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46005 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Last section
I have one more section of track to put down.

I need to make it a custom cut piece.

It will be last the 1869 Golden Spike ceremony.

O:)!

Then I can order the road bed and ballast!

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46006 From: rcon7@bellsouth.net Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: A Chromed Atlantic on eBay
Guys..... This is not a rareity..... Its a current replate..... several people do plating jobs.... The broken step is the clue..... Bob Conner

-------------- Original message from "Stumpy Stone" <mrstumpy@...>: --------------

Aside from whether this is collectable, why would you want to chrome
an Atlantic? I would think if you were making up dealer displays or
rewards, you'd do a top of the line locomotive! How about a chrome
Hudson or Northern?
Knowing how poor the chroming of plastic was back then, does this
loco look "too good" to be authentic after 57 years?
Just a couple of questions on this item, as I'm no Flyer expert.
Stumpy in a snowy Appalachia.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 46007 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: A Chromed Atlantic on eBay
I think that chrome on an Atlantic may have some validity-if this one's real or not I won't speculate. BUT: I bought a pile of Flyer from a co-worker maybe 15 years ago. His 2 maiden aunts were Gilbert employees. This was where I found my Smokey Joe and a VERY odd GP. One of the locos was an 0 Atlantic, and that sucker was plated. It also had the worst case of zinc pest I've ever seen, even the frame was expanding warping and crumbling. I have a general idea where it lies, will be getting stuff up for Cmas and we'll see about pix. -John

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46008 From: barb Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: 282 loco *update*
Don,

Why do you stretch the springs to 1".... Barb

-----Original Message-----
>From: donabrams@...
>Sent: Dec 5, 2007 12:06 PM
>To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 282 loco *update*
>
>
>
>Replacement springs for the shoulder brushes measure 7/8" (usually).
>I stretch mine to 1" before installing.
>While stretching -- i gently twist in the direction they are wound so as not to
>enlarge their diameter.
>Don
Group: S-Trains Message: 46009 From: donabrams@comcast.net Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: 282 loco *update*
Replacement springs for the shoulder brushes measure 7/8" (usually).
I stretch mine to 1" before installing.
While stretching -- i gently twist in the direction they are wound so as not to
enlarge their diameter.
Don
Group: S-Trains Message: 46010 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Last section
Mike,

Good luck on driving that "golden spike". I completed laying rail
on my layout a couple of years ago but soon discovered that as I
placed buildings, accessories, etc on the layout the track needed to
be tweaked to allow for clearances and in some cases just to look
better. One section was completely re-worked because my oil depot
was facing the wall unless I turned it 180 degrees away from the
track siding. Hmmmm - look at the back of the depot or re-lay the
track siding - it ended up being an easy decision but a lot of work!
Also keep in mind that most operating accessories have to be within
easy reach. For example the saw mill needs to be close enough you
can load the planks in it. I continue to tweak my track as I get
different rolling stock and engines. Beware the clearance at depots
with overhanging roofs, and the operating passenger station hits
extended vision cabeese, on and on it goes. With all the
engineering challanges it's no wonder most of us who played with AF
as kids ended up in technical careers!

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER"
<mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> I have one more section of track to put down.
>
> I need to make it a custom cut piece.
>
> It will be last the 1869 Golden Spike ceremony.
>
> O:)!
>
> Then I can order the road bed and ballast!
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46011 From: jnr59@aol.com Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: [Baltimore_and_Ohio] Digest Number 3550 Re: B&O "S" Scale MicroS
Thanks for your input Jim regarding your feedback on the exisiting
MicroScale B&O Decal set in "HO" Scale which I understand is the same artwork as that
used for the "O" Guage set. I also have obtained detailed feedback (also
mostly favorable) from both Ed Bommer and Bruce Elliot and am open to that of
anyone else who has used the MicroScale B&O decal sets.

Before I proceed regarding the S Scale project, I plan to discuss the few
issues with MicroScale and urge the corrections/upgrades in addition to sharing
the new B&ORRHS font addition to the website for their lettering reference.
That way, all modeler scales will benefit!

Still looking for some more S Scale modelers interested in placing an order
to contact me off line with their requests (number, type of decal and contact
information). For those of you who have already expressed an interest, I
shall be getting back to each of you via email as soon as possible with an
update.

Thanks,

Jack Riely
Lake St. Louis, MO
Member NASG
Member AFSGSLA
Member B&ORRHS






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Group: S-Trains Message: 46012 From: gettysburg9 Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
I can appreciate your size Mike. I am bringing back to life an old
layout which I just came into. The dimensions are 12 x 8. Fully
tracked (much needs tlc) with 14 switches. Oh yes, it does not dis-
assemble. Drove 4 hours one way to pick it up and haul it home.
After figuring out the basic wiring going to the elaborate control
panel, my next project is figuring how to "cut it" to be able to
even get it into the house. (fully braced underneath with plywood
top being glued and nailed). Oh well, what else do I have to do
this winter?
Paul

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer"
<mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> 12 feet 6 inch x 8 feet 9 inches.
>
> Dinner will be served next year on this dual table. LOL
>
> GO TERPS! (I know you went to MD too!)
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: James Hannawald
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Latest Photos
>
>
> Mike,
>
> What are the dimensions of you table?
>
> Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER
> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 6:14 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Latest Photos
>
> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?
b=1&m=t&o=0
> I have the latest photos of the table, as the table is done.
>
> The slide show shows a interesting metamorphic growth from just
wood on the floor to a completed table with stained wood border. The
table looks like a piece of furniture, I believe Stumpy told me.
O:)! Yes, Thanksgiving dinner will be served for all next year on
this table, as the custom cup holders are on order. JUST KIDDING!
>
> Track has been put down already, as pictures will follow soon.
>
> Now where to put down the S scale cats Linda got last month in
Strasburg. But we are going back to Strasburg this weekend, so that
could be dangerous, she will buy more of those cats. I hope
Strasburg RR shoppe is out of them. LOL
>
> And we will see Bob Board's layout.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46013 From: barb Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Last section
I agree with Bull on this. Mike, I would recommend waiting to do
the ballasting until you have lived with the growth of the layout
for awhile. Add buildings, streets, lamp posts, etc. first.

I have my town in place, roads, rail yard, buildings, etc. and
still have not ballasted. Sure as you do, there will be something
you want to add and to do that, you'll have to move a section of
track 1/4 inch. You can't because it is ballasted.

You're making great progress. Keep at it... Barb

-----Original Message-----
>From: Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
>Sent: Dec 5, 2007 12:51 PM
>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Last section
>
>Mike,
>
>Good luck on driving that "golden spike". I completed laying rail
>on my layout a couple of years ago but soon discovered that as I
>placed buildings, accessories, etc on the layout the track needed to
>be tweaked to allow for clearances and in some cases just to look
>better. One section was completely re-worked because my oil depot
>was facing the wall unless I turned it 180 degrees away from the
>track siding. Hmmmm - look at the back of the depot or re-lay the
>track siding - it ended up being an easy decision but a lot of work!
>Also keep in mind that most operating accessories have to be within
>easy reach. For example the saw mill needs to be close enough you
>can load the planks in it. I continue to tweak my track as I get
>different rolling stock and engines. Beware the clearance at depots
>with overhanging roofs, and the operating passenger station hits
>extended vision cabeese, on and on it goes. With all the
>engineering challanges it's no wonder most of us who played with AF
>as kids ended up in technical careers!
>
>BG1
>
>--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER"
><mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>>
>> I have one more section of track to put down.
>>
>> I need to make it a custom cut piece.
>>
>> It will be last the 1869 Golden Spike ceremony.
>>
>> O:)!
>>
>> Then I can order the road bed and ballast!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46014 From: fredstrainparts@aol.com Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Fred's Train Parts Open House
In a message dated 12/5/2007 12:21:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
boss31@... writes:

A bit too far to drive Fred, but thanks.....

Steve
SnS
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46015 From: Timboy Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Last section
Hi Mike,

You have received some very good advice. I believe there might be a
work-around you could experiment with, tho. Those of us who build
furniture or do some carpentry work will often times tack something
in place until we are sure we want to make a permanent join. Maybe
you could try lightly tacking down every other section of track so
that you could move it easily if you want to later. Some model RR
spikes would do that and you wouldn't even have to go through the
ties with them. Or there may be a double-sided tape out there with
just enough stickiness to hold your track down if applied sparingly
by the inch to maybe every other section of track or every couple
feet, yet it wouldn't be so sticky if applied that way to break your
track up if you wanted to move it. Also, you could lightly ballast
your track and leave it loose. Ballast does not have to be glued
down, though most people do that so it doesn't move around. A little
shaving brush would push the ballast back nicely if you needed to
once in a while and a clean dust-buster would vacuum it up if it got
totally messed up or if you wanted to move your track and re-use the
ballast. Just some more to think about.

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 46016 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Last section
Thanks Bull.

Thanks for telling me about your train experience.

I have been careful with clearances, etc.

I think I got the dual curves far apart.

I will make sure the accessories are not going to be hit by anything.

The one thing I need to do, for the cattle loader, is have the track rise up and down a bit, going through the loader, or cut down the metal for the trip unit on the cattle car. The track is a bit lower that the typical AF.

Oh, looking at the AF track vs. the American S Gauge track. The ASG track looks wonderful. I was torn in not using the old AF track, but the appearance and the connectivity (electrical) is so superior. Now I have a ton of AF track, switches and bumpers to get rid of!

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bull_Gator_1
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 12:51 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Last section


Mike,

Good luck on driving that "golden spike". I completed laying rail
on my layout a couple of years ago but soon discovered that as I
placed buildings, accessories, etc on the layout the track needed to
be tweaked to allow for clearances and in some cases just to look
better. One section was completely re-worked because my oil depot
was facing the wall unless I turned it 180 degrees away from the
track siding. Hmmmm - look at the back of the depot or re-lay the
track siding - it ended up being an easy decision but a lot of work!
Also keep in mind that most operating accessories have to be within
easy reach. For example the saw mill needs to be close enough you
can load the planks in it. I continue to tweak my track as I get
different rolling stock and engines. Beware the clearance at depots
with overhanging roofs, and the operating passenger station hits
extended vision cabeese, on and on it goes. With all the
engineering challanges it's no wonder most of us who played with AF
as kids ended up in technical careers!

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER"
<mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> I have one more section of track to put down.
>
> I need to make it a custom cut piece.
>
> It will be last the 1869 Golden Spike ceremony.
>
> O:)!
>
> Then I can order the road bed and ballast!
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46017 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Bill,

Thanks!

I never built a thing in my life like this before!

I usually destroy things.

I am completely amazed on how it went.

Sure, I did things wrong, as it was a learning experience. But I was able to work things out.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Scale S Only
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Latest Photos


That sure is some pretty benchwork! Are you a carpenter by trade, or just
really good at home projects?

Have fun!
Bill Winans

I have the latest photos of the table, as the table is done.
Mike Marmer





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46018 From: Paul4Schil@aol.com Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: New S scale kits- tug & barge
Sounds great! Any chance it will be reviewed in an upcoming issue of one of
the S scale (or even other) mags?

Paul Schilling



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46019 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Last section
Thanks Tim.

I appreciate the advice you have been writing about, as well as the others.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Timboy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 5:04 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Last section


Hi Mike,

You have received some very good advice. I believe there might be a
work-around you could experiment with, tho. Those of us who build
furniture or do some carpentry work will often times tack something
in place until we are sure we want to make a permanent join. Maybe
you could try lightly tacking down every other section of track so
that you could move it easily if you want to later. Some model RR
spikes would do that and you wouldn't even have to go through the
ties with them. Or there may be a double-sided tape out there with
just enough stickiness to hold your track down if applied sparingly
by the inch to maybe every other section of track or every couple
feet, yet it wouldn't be so sticky if applied that way to break your
track up if you wanted to move it. Also, you could lightly ballast
your track and leave it loose. Ballast does not have to be glued
down, though most people do that so it doesn't move around. A little
shaving brush would push the ballast back nicely if you needed to
once in a while and a clean dust-buster would vacuum it up if it got
totally messed up or if you wanted to move your track and re-use the
ballast. Just some more to think about.

S-Happens,
Tim Brown





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46020 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Hi Paul.

Do you live in Gettysburg, as we are 45 minutes from you.

Thanks for telling us about your layout. It is very close in size to mine. And the weirder thing is, I have 14 switches too! Now for the design you have........O:)!

If you are close by or anyone else you are welcome to come by, as I would love to see your layout.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: gettysburg9
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:50 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Latest Photos


I can appreciate your size Mike. I am bringing back to life an old
layout which I just came into. The dimensions are 12 x 8. Fully
tracked (much needs tlc) with 14 switches. Oh yes, it does not dis-
assemble. Drove 4 hours one way to pick it up and haul it home.
After figuring out the basic wiring going to the elaborate control
panel, my next project is figuring how to "cut it" to be able to
even get it into the house. (fully braced underneath with plywood
top being glued and nailed). Oh well, what else do I have to do
this winter?
Paul

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer"
<mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> 12 feet 6 inch x 8 feet 9 inches.
>
> Dinner will be served next year on this dual table. LOL
>
> GO TERPS! (I know you went to MD too!)
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: James Hannawald
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Latest Photos
>
>
> Mike,
>
> What are the dimensions of you table?
>
> Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER
> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 6:14 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Latest Photos
>
> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?
b=1&m=t&o=0
> I have the latest photos of the table, as the table is done.
>
> The slide show shows a interesting metamorphic growth from just
wood on the floor to a completed table with stained wood border. The
table looks like a piece of furniture, I believe Stumpy told me.
O:)! Yes, Thanksgiving dinner will be served for all next year on
this table, as the custom cup holders are on order. JUST KIDDING!
>
> Track has been put down already, as pictures will follow soon.
>
> Now where to put down the S scale cats Linda got last month in
Strasburg. But we are going back to Strasburg this weekend, so that
could be dangerous, she will buy more of those cats. I hope
Strasburg RR shoppe is out of them. LOL
>
> And we will see Bob Board's layout.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46021 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Last section
Thanks Barb,

I was writing back and forth with Don Thompson yesterday and he did suggest that I wait on the ballast until I install the DCC system and test run everything. That will also help to see if anything is in harms way. I did not think of that at all! And I know that could of been a real disaster!

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: barb
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Last section


I agree with Bull on this. Mike, I would recommend waiting to do
the ballasting until you have lived with the growth of the layout
for awhile. Add buildings, streets, lamp posts, etc. first.

I have my town in place, roads, rail yard, buildings, etc. and
still have not ballasted. Sure as you do, there will be something
you want to add and to do that, you'll have to move a section of
track 1/4 inch. You can't because it is ballasted.

You're making great progress. Keep at it... Barb

-----Original Message-----
>From: Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
>Sent: Dec 5, 2007 12:51 PM
>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Last section
>
>Mike,
>
>Good luck on driving that "golden spike". I completed laying rail
>on my layout a couple of years ago but soon discovered that as I
>placed buildings, accessories, etc on the layout the track needed to
>be tweaked to allow for clearances and in some cases just to look
>better. One section was completely re-worked because my oil depot
>was facing the wall unless I turned it 180 degrees away from the
>track siding. Hmmmm - look at the back of the depot or re-lay the
>track siding - it ended up being an easy decision but a lot of work!
>Also keep in mind that most operating accessories have to be within
>easy reach. For example the saw mill needs to be close enough you
>can load the planks in it. I continue to tweak my track as I get
>different rolling stock and engines. Beware the clearance at depots
>with overhanging roofs, and the operating passenger station hits
>extended vision cabeese, on and on it goes. With all the
>engineering challanges it's no wonder most of us who played with AF
>as kids ended up in technical careers!
>
>BG1
>
>--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER"
><mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>>
>> I have one more section of track to put down.
>>
>> I need to make it a custom cut piece.
>>
>> It will be last the 1869 Golden Spike ceremony.
>>
>> O:)!
>>
>> Then I can order the road bed and ballast!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46022 From: George Cohn Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: Re: Last section
Timboy wrote:

> Maybe you could try lightly tacking down every other section of track so
> that you could move it easily if you want to later.

I have an original dealer display from 1954 and if I remember correctly,
even the factory just put in one nail every other section or so of track.

If you are using rubber roadbed, it is better to tack through the
roadbed than through the ties as it prevents coupling noise to the
plywood base.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 46023 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/5/2007
Subject: The Center
Linda and I were thinking of what to put in the center where the pop up is.

Well, we both had the same idea.

A baseball field, as since this is close to the 1950's and I will have the industrial sawmill company along with the companies of baggage loader, cow loader, barrel unloader, these companies will have baseball teams just like in the 1950's.

It will be very easy to do the field with white baselines, bases, some dugouts, like the Whistle stop buildings, some bleachers and a fence, that will have advertising on it. Some of the repro signs for the Whistle stop and the newsstands will be great, as Linda said a repro Branford Diner sign will work too.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46024 From: donabrams@comcast.net Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: 282 loco *update*
Barb,
I think the 1" for the springs comes from the Tom Barker book on repairing Flyer.
My opinion is that it does make a difference. Less armature 'bounce' in forward when the worm gearing is trying to push the armature toward the brush plate. Smoother and a few more rpms?
Don

P.S. Sorry for the multiple posts, but Comcast kept telling me that the posts weren't going through.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46025 From: Al Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Last section
Mike and all,

Actually, the driving of the Golden Spike set off a race in a lot of states to connect far away cities to the mainline so goods and services of all kinds could be had in small towns and cities. This also opened up markets for local goods to be sold nationally. I think you will find that some of your small towns on your layout will want better service so keep laying more rail.

Al Rawdon
President, Golden Spike American Flyer Train Club
Along the beautiful Wasatch Mountains of Northern Utah

Our new Website: http://www.gsaftc.com
Come and visit us and find out all the fun things to do in Utah.

PS - You will have to collect a few of the new 2007 Utah Quarters - The reverse has the Driving of the Golden Spike Ceremony stamped on it.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46026 From: gettysburg9 Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Mike:

Harrisburg is the hometown. I'm a Battlefield Guide in
Gettysburg. My layout is far far from being presentable at this
point. After being stored in a garage for a long period, being
abused by having items placed upon, etc., many sections need TLC.
(some rust and even some dents). Plenty of track available for
replacement (will use original AF). 36" straights and 54" curved
already on the way for those sections. Basic design is outer oval
switching to an inner oval with a switchable 90 cross section
through the center. Between these two is another oval section which
trestles over the inner section and back down.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer"
<mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Paul.
>
> Do you live in Gettysburg, as we are 45 minutes from you.
>
> Thanks for telling us about your layout. It is very close in size
to mine. And the weirder thing is, I have 14 switches too! Now for
the design you have........O:)!
>
> If you are close by or anyone else you are welcome to come by, as
I would love to see your layout.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gettysburg9
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:50 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Latest Photos
>
>
> I can appreciate your size Mike. I am bringing back to life an
old
> layout which I just came into. The dimensions are 12 x 8. Fully
> tracked (much needs tlc) with 14 switches. Oh yes, it does not
dis-
> assemble. Drove 4 hours one way to pick it up and haul it home.
> After figuring out the basic wiring going to the elaborate
control
> panel, my next project is figuring how to "cut it" to be able to
> even get it into the house. (fully braced underneath with
plywood
> top being glued and nailed). Oh well, what else do I have to do
> this winter?
> Paul
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer"
> <mlmarmer@> wrote:
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > 12 feet 6 inch x 8 feet 9 inches.
> >
> > Dinner will be served next year on this dual table. LOL
> >
> > GO TERPS! (I know you went to MD too!)
> >
> > Mike
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: James Hannawald
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 12:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Latest Photos
> >
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > What are the dimensions of you table?
> >
> > Jim
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER
> > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 6:14 AM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Latest Photos
> >
> > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?
> b=1&m=t&o=0
> > I have the latest photos of the table, as the table is done.
> >
> > The slide show shows a interesting metamorphic growth from
just
> wood on the floor to a completed table with stained wood border.
The
> table looks like a piece of furniture, I believe Stumpy told me.
> O:)! Yes, Thanksgiving dinner will be served for all next year
on
> this table, as the custom cup holders are on order. JUST KIDDING!
> >
> > Track has been put down already, as pictures will follow soon.
> >
> > Now where to put down the S scale cats Linda got last month in
> Strasburg. But we are going back to Strasburg this weekend, so
that
> could be dangerous, she will buy more of those cats. I hope
> Strasburg RR shoppe is out of them. LOL
> >
> > And we will see Bob Board's layout.
> >
> > Mike Marmer
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
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>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46027 From: innotron Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: The Center
Hi Mike,
Your baseball idea sounds wonderful. I try to create self-standing dioramas (1950's) with building kits that I customize and surround the A.F. accessories to add realism. I am currently creating Anderson's Pulpwood Yard next to my sawmill complete with interior details, wall decorations and lighting. The baseball field is a great idea which you can expand upon to include lighting, sound and perhaps even animation to add realism and create a centerpiece which can be appreciated even before turning the trains on. It can be self-contained and removable. Here is a link to some 1:64th baseball figures. http://www.tin-soldier.com/baseball.htm Not bad, only slightly over a buck a player. I have also seen grandstands in our scale. If you have to resort to HO figures just put on the scoreboard that this is a little league championship. Perhaps you can have a trolley that takes the crowds to the ballgame. Its your world! I have 16 switches on my 8 X 10 two level layout but it is very busy. In retrospect, 14 sounds just about right on your size table, more room for other stuff. I would suggest some changes in level and a way for the trains to disappear and reappear, it adds to the mystery.
Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; Ralph Loveless ; Jeff Snell ; cookie flannery ; steve.conard@... ; Jeanette Ryba ; Jerry Matsick
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 6:25 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] The Center


Linda and I were thinking of what to put in the center where the pop up is.

Well, we both had the same idea.

A baseball field, as since this is close to the 1950's and I will have the industrial sawmill company along with the companies of baggage loader, cow loader, barrel unloader, these companies will have baseball teams just like in the 1950's.

It will be very easy to do the field with white baselines, bases, some dugouts, like the Whistle stop buildings, some bleachers and a fence, that will have advertising on it. Some of the repro signs for the Whistle stop and the newsstands will be great, as Linda said a repro Branford Diner sign will work too.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46028 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: The Center
I found a S scale baseball team, 9 on one side, two for the other, batter and a runner and a umpire.

However, 1 inch is 5.3 feet in S, so I have about 190 feet in S to do a baseball field, A bit short, but maybe a Field of Dreams anyway. If I shorten the infield a bit, I think it might work.

I need to find some S scale baseballs. Just kidding.

And no Lionel signage on the fence like in the movie "A League of their Own", about the women's baseball teams during WW2. Sad thing, no trains where made during the war, except for the short lived Lionel Paper train. Maybe I can have a American Flyer sign on the fence, since the war will be over by the time I get this thing done!

And I need a folk singer somewhere. LOL

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; Ralph Loveless ; Jeff Snell ; cookie flannery ; steve.conard@... ; Jeanette Ryba ; Jerry Matsick
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:25 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] The Center


Linda and I were thinking of what to put in the center where the pop up is.

Well, we both had the same idea.

A baseball field, as since this is close to the 1950's and I will have the industrial sawmill company along with the companies of baggage loader, cow loader, barrel unloader, these companies will have baseball teams just like in the 1950's.

It will be very easy to do the field with white baselines, bases, some dugouts, like the Whistle stop buildings, some bleachers and a fence, that will have advertising on it. Some of the repro signs for the Whistle stop and the newsstands will be great, as Linda said a repro Branford Diner sign will work too.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46029 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: The Center
Mike,

I might get toasted on this but I think the diameter of a baseball
is roughly 3". So you need a 3/64 inch diameter bead for your
baseball. Try looking at Hobby Lobby or Micheals. They have very
tiny beads. If you're lucky you might find some white beads the
right size. If not just paint them white. And extra good luck
painting the stitching on!

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer"
<mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> I found a S scale baseball team, 9 on one side, two for the other,
batter and a runner and a umpire.
>
> However, 1 inch is 5.3 feet in S, so I have about 190 feet in S to
do a baseball field, A bit short, but maybe a Field of Dreams
anyway. If I shorten the infield a bit, I think it might work.
>
> I need to find some S scale baseballs. Just kidding.
>
> And no Lionel signage on the fence like in the movie "A League of
their Own", about the women's baseball teams during WW2. Sad thing,
no trains where made during the war, except for the short lived
Lionel Paper train. Maybe I can have a American Flyer sign on the
fence, since the war will be over by the time I get this thing
done!
>
> And I need a folk singer somewhere. LOL
>
> Mike Marmer
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael and Linda Marmer
> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; Ralph Loveless ;
Jeff Snell ; cookie flannery ; steve.conard@... ; Jeanette Ryba ;
Jerry Matsick
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:25 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] The Center
>
>
> Linda and I were thinking of what to put in the center where the
pop up is.
>
> Well, we both had the same idea.
>
> A baseball field, as since this is close to the 1950's and I
will have the industrial sawmill company along with the companies of
baggage loader, cow loader, barrel unloader, these companies will
have baseball teams just like in the 1950's.
>
> It will be very easy to do the field with white baselines,
bases, some dugouts, like the Whistle stop buildings, some bleachers
and a fence, that will have advertising on it. Some of the repro
signs for the Whistle stop and the newsstands will be great, as
Linda said a repro Branford Diner sign will work too.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46030 From: Don Thompson Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: The Center
Dear Mike,
Use HO players and make a little league field with S scale fans.
Bleachers would be smaller and take up less space and I know here some
towns have night games.
Don

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

> I found a S scale baseball team, 9 on one side, two for the other,
> batter and a runner and a umpire.
>
> However, 1 inch is 5.3 feet in S, so I have about 190 feet in S to do
> a baseball field, A bit short, but maybe a Field of Dreams anyway.
>
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 46031 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: The Center
Mike,

I also plan to have a roughly 4' x 4' removable center section on my
layout. I was thinking about building several different panels -
maybe one with a lake, one with a carnival, one with an airport, one
just for Halloween, one for Christmas, one a city park - then
interchange them to keep the layout fresh. I even had the crazy
idea to replicate a science fair project I did in middle school by
making a removable center panel with a functioning, lava spitting
volcano!!!!!

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer"
<mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Linda and I were thinking of what to put in the center where the
pop up is.
>
> Well, we both had the same idea.
>
> A baseball field, as since this is close to the 1950's and I will
have the industrial sawmill company along with the companies of
baggage loader, cow loader, barrel unloader, these companies will
have baseball teams just like in the 1950's.
>
> It will be very easy to do the field with white baselines, bases,
some dugouts, like the Whistle stop buildings, some bleachers and a
fence, that will have advertising on it. Some of the repro signs
for the Whistle stop and the newsstands will be great, as Linda said
a repro Branford Diner sign will work too.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46032 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: Fred's Train Parts Open House
In a message dated 12/5/2007 12:21:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
boss31@... writes:

A bit too far to drive Fred, but thanks.....

Steve
SnS
Boise

But, you could fly--Fred is close to the Philly Airport.

Jim Lyle



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46033 From: gettysburg9 Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: AF cab control
With the chance of being laughed out of the group, ...........what is
meant by "cab control". I have an idea but need to have specific info
before I attempt to trouble-shoot. If it deals with specific track
hook-up, what is involved. Oh the questions that neophytes ask, I
know, I know........... Thanks.
Paul
Group: S-Trains Message: 46034 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: AF cab control
Paul,

My interpretation of "Cab Control" is the ability to control any of the
various areas of your layout with several transformers ("Cabs").

For example my layout was originally built with 4 cabs, each can select
any of the 7 power feeds throughout the layout using a rotary switch. I
use the turnout controls to also switch the 7 power feeds to the routed
tracks to simplify operations. (If the turnout is routed you will have
power to that track from the associated power feed)

My Control Panel http://www.tuveson.com/controlpanel.htm
and http://www.tuveson.com/ControlPanelWiring.htm

My Layout is logically divided into 4 divisions, 3 mains and a yard.

One does not have to be this complicated to achieve the same results but
my layout was fairly complex.

Also see http://www.tuveson.com

Carl



-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of gettysburg9
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:27 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] AF cab control

With the chance of being laughed out of the group, ...........what is
meant by "cab control". I have an idea but need to have specific info
before I attempt to trouble-shoot. If it deals with specific track
hook-up, what is involved. Oh the questions that neophytes ask, I
know, I know........... Thanks.
Paul



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46035 From: Don Thompson Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: AF cab control
Dear Paul,
I might get laughed at too. My concept of cab control - Looking at
layout, instead of one transformer (cab) being connected directly to the
tracks, more than one is connected with each block (insulated sections
of layout) would have something like a rotary switch with all cabs also
connected. Using the rotary switch, the cab would control only that
block or adjoining blocks where the rotary switch is selected to the
same cab. This was used with the NASG modules (2 main line cabs -
yellow and red as well as several local cabs). DCC as well as TMCC or
DCS eliminates the need for cab control as all track are powered with
each engine having a decoder that takes the place of the rotary switch.
Best,
Don

gettysburg9 wrote:

> With the chance of being laughed out of the group, ...........what is
> meant by "cab control". I have an idea but need to have specific info
> before I attempt to trouble-shoot. If it deals with specific track
> hook-up, what is involved. Oh the questions that neophytes ask, I
> know, I know........... Thanks.
> Paul
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 46036 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: AF cab control
Nothing funny about it. Cab control is a long-time, venerated method of
running electric trains. If there are to be two throttles for your layout,
each of them is connected to a distribution panel. That is, for small
layouts, make a control panel and bring the track wires from your two
throttles into it as inputs. Also, the track plan is divided into
electrically isolated blocks. We can save some money if we use transformers,
keep them in phase and use a common rail system. I prefer to insulate both
rails switch both wires and spend a little more on the switches and wiring.
Bring the wires to the track into the control panel as output connections.



If there are two loops and a freight yard, for instance, make one loop into
one electrical block, make the second loop into another block which has
insulating pins in all places where its tracks connect with other tracks of
other blocks. Make the freight yard into a third, electrically isolated
block. In this simple case, you would need three, heavy-duty DPDT (Double
Pole, Double Throw) switches. I also prefer the ones with a center-off
position. The middle connections (poles) of the switches are wired to the
rails on the track. One set of the outside contacts are connected to one
throttle and the other set to the other throttle. Now, with the switch
thrown one way, the first throttle is connected to the track. Throw the
switch the other way and the other throttle is connected. The throttles are
called cabs.



You can have more fun if you have long loops. It is possible to isolate
blocks of track around a single loop. Perhaps you could divide it into 5
blocks. That means you would need 5 DPDT switches. Now, by throwing the
switches in sequence, you can run two trains, each with their own throttle
as they chase each other around the loop. Fast trains or short blocks make
for a faster dance on the switches.



On my old N-Scale layout, I used 5 throttles and bus wiring. I also used
DP6T rotary switches. Any throttle could be attached to any piece of track.
It was busy enough to require a special operator as the dispatcher while the
other 5 of us ran our trains. The rotary switches could handle the power of
the little N-scale locos with no trouble. Reasonably priced rotary switches
won't do the job for older Flyer engines with lighted passenger cars. They
might work if you have can motor conversions and LED lights. If cab control
and original motors appeals to you, you would need to add relays to the
control panel. The rotary switch would select the relay and the relay would
connect the appropriate cab to the selected track. That takes a lot of
relays - you need 1 for each throttle times 1 for each block. A system with
three throttles and 10 blocks would need 30 relays.



This scheme has the advantage that it can connect AC, DC, DCC, TMC or DCS.
The power source is just hooked up as a throttle. I did that with a DCC and
DC system on the S-Scale layout I showed in 2002.



There are people who have worked out automatic cab control using electronic
parts, stepper relays and other stuff. There are also commercial systems
available that use a computer to sense trains and to connect cabs to blocks
as the trains move. Computer control of the dispatcher function can add a
new dimension to your hobby.



The command control systems (DCC, TMC, DCS, etc.) do not require the
switches, relays, control panels and all of that wiring. It does require a
much more expensive base station, decoders in every locomotive and constant
attention to keep the batteries charged and the configuration variables
refreshed. I have tried it on my own layout and on other folk's layouts. If
someone is away from their trains for a while (sometimes a few weeks or
months) the system may require a lot of reconfiguring and resetting after
the batteries are all charged. The operators may need to be retrained in how
to use all of those bells, whistles and control features. These systems are
also more susceptible to damage (temporary or permanent) by static
electricity than a cab system would be. I have frequently seen a short
caused by a derailment force an owner to remove an engine from a layout and
reset, repair and reconfigure it on the workbench.



The relatively simple cab control system uses the transformers, power packs
or other throttles in the way they were designed to work running trains in
the relatively simple way that they were designed to run. It is robust over
time and is not affected by static electricity. I have dumped all of my DCC
stuff (even though it can be very cool) and chosen not to go with the Lionel
or the MTH systems. It takes a little time to wire things using cab control.
If you can find the way to enjoy that part, you will have a pretty good
system.



Good Luck,

Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of gettysburg9
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:27 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] AF cab control



With the chance of being laughed out of the group, ...........what is
meant by "cab control". I have an idea but need to have specific info
before I attempt to trouble-shoot. If it deals with specific track
hook-up, what is involved. Oh the questions that neophytes ask, I
know, I know........... Thanks.
Paul





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46037 From: gettysburg9 Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: AF cab control
That is what I assumed it was. The panel I am tracing out has DPDT
switches and has cab control penciled by each. There was a dual
transformer hooked to the layout (connected to a buss with six leads
coming off of it). I believe, then, that the layout would be
capable of handling at least two trains independently (providing
that each of the sections were isolated with fiber pins)

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Paul,
> I might get laughed at too. My concept of cab control -
Looking at
> layout, instead of one transformer (cab) being connected directly
to the
> tracks, more than one is connected with each block (insulated
sections
> of layout) would have something like a rotary switch with all cabs
also
> connected. Using the rotary switch, the cab would control only
that
> block or adjoining blocks where the rotary switch is selected to
the
> same cab. This was used with the NASG modules (2 main line cabs -
> yellow and red as well as several local cabs). DCC as well as
TMCC or
> DCS eliminates the need for cab control as all track are powered
with
> each engine having a decoder that takes the place of the rotary
switch.
> Best,
> Don
>
> gettysburg9 wrote:
>
> > With the chance of being laughed out of the
group, ...........what is
> > meant by "cab control". I have an idea but need to have specific
info
> > before I attempt to trouble-shoot. If it deals with specific
track
> > hook-up, what is involved. Oh the questions that neophytes ask, I
> > know, I know........... Thanks.
> > Paul
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46038 From: Timboy Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: AF cab control
Hi,

I agree with both Paul & Don on this. Cab control is a vintage way of
controlling loci. The advantage is that no one transformer takes the
brunt. The disadvantage is that you have to mind potentially many
transformers. There are two ways to set them up; either centrally
clustered or spaced around your layout at blocks or "towns" or other
key locations. Centrally placed, one operator could control all.
Decentralized is better for a team operating session.

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 46039 From: barb Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: The Center
Mike and Bull,

This is really an interesting discussion. I have 2 pop-ups that
I am going to fill with removable sections when I get close to
the end of major building on the layout. One will be a lake
(with boats, swimmers, etc.) and the other a mining operation.

The question for me is the mechanism to remove them. I don't
think hinges with them dropping to one side of the hole is viable
because it would restrict the height of what I can put on the
removable section. Sure as heck, I'd bump into a sailboat as
I was working in the hole.

So I thought about holding the hole cover in place with barrel bolts
and picking it up when I needed access. Problem here is where
to put it when it was picked up.

Next thought was to hold it in place with barrel bolts and then
drop it down when I needed access. It could simply be placed on
the floor under the layout so I could step on it while I was
working.

So I am going to experiment with a drop down scheme that has
a slide for each side so I can drop it and store it without
having to put it on the floor. This would also eliminate the
worry of how heavy it is. Since it would be off the floor,
I could crawl around without worry of damaging it. I just
have to watch my head so I don't poke an eye out.

Oh the dangers and joys of model railroading !

Any other thoughts and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Barb

-----Original Message-----
>From: Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
>Sent: Dec 6, 2007 8:04 AM
>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [S-Trains] Re: The Center
>
>Mike,
>
>I also plan to have a roughly 4' x 4' removable center section on my
>layout. I was thinking about building several different panels -
>maybe one with a lake, one with a carnival, one with an airport, one
>just for Halloween, one for Christmas, one a city park - then
>interchange them to keep the layout fresh. I even had the crazy
>idea to replicate a science fair project I did in middle school by
>making a removable center panel with a functioning, lava spitting
>volcano!!!!!
>
>BG1
>
>--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer"
><mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>>
>> Linda and I were thinking of what to put in the center where the
>pop up is.
>>
>> Well, we both had the same idea.
>>
>> A baseball field, as since this is close to the 1950's and I will
>have the industrial sawmill company along with the companies of
>baggage loader, cow loader, barrel unloader, these companies will
>have baseball teams just like in the 1950's.
>>
>> It will be very easy to do the field with white baselines, bases,
>some dugouts, like the Whistle stop buildings, some bleachers and a
>fence, that will have advertising on it. Some of the repro signs
>for the Whistle stop and the newsstands will be great, as Linda said
>a repro Branford Diner sign will work too.
>>
>> Mike Marmer
>>
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>>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46040 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: Fred's Train Parts Open House
In a message dated 12/06/2007 6:25:37 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
WJJIM@... writes:

A bit too far to drive Fred, but thanks.....

Steve
SnS
Boise

But, you could fly--Fred is close to the Philly Airport.

Jim Lyle



I don't have any wings or feathers Jim. If I did, I'd go South for the
Winter.
Group: S-Trains Message: 46041 From: Jollivier4@cs.com Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Populating the ballfield
Hey Mike and Gang,

When you or anyone else gets ready to populate the ballfield, contact John
McEwan at www.tin-soldier.com. He has both teams in kits.

Jacques in Thorp


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46042 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Re: The Center
Thanks Barb and Bull.

We did think about putting a "lake" on this pop up, which is 1.5 ft by 1.5 feet.

It is easy for me to "pop it up" and bring it back down sideways to rest below the table top against the framing.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: barb
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: The Center


Mike and Bull,

This is really an interesting discussion. I have 2 pop-ups that
I am going to fill with removable sections when I get close to
the end of major building on the layout. One will be a lake
(with boats, swimmers, etc.) and the other a mining operation.

The question for me is the mechanism to remove them. I don't
think hinges with them dropping to one side of the hole is viable
because it would restrict the height of what I can put on the
removable section. Sure as heck, I'd bump into a sailboat as
I was working in the hole.

So I thought about holding the hole cover in place with barrel bolts
and picking it up when I needed access. Problem here is where
to put it when it was picked up.

Next thought was to hold it in place with barrel bolts and then
drop it down when I needed access. It could simply be placed on
the floor under the layout so I could step on it while I was
working.

So I am going to experiment with a drop down scheme that has
a slide for each side so I can drop it and store it without
having to put it on the floor. This would also eliminate the
worry of how heavy it is. Since it would be off the floor,
I could crawl around without worry of damaging it. I just
have to watch my head so I don't poke an eye out.

Oh the dangers and joys of model railroading !

Any other thoughts and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Barb

-----Original Message-----
>From: Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>
>Sent: Dec 6, 2007 8:04 AM
>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [S-Trains] Re: The Center
>
>Mike,
>
>I also plan to have a roughly 4' x 4' removable center section on my
>layout. I was thinking about building several different panels -
>maybe one with a lake, one with a carnival, one with an airport, one
>just for Halloween, one for Christmas, one a city park - then
>interchange them to keep the layout fresh. I even had the crazy
>idea to replicate a science fair project I did in middle school by
>making a removable center panel with a functioning, lava spitting
>volcano!!!!!
>
>BG1
>
>--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer"
><mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>>
>> Linda and I were thinking of what to put in the center where the
>pop up is.
>>
>> Well, we both had the same idea.
>>
>> A baseball field, as since this is close to the 1950's and I will
>have the industrial sawmill company along with the companies of
>baggage loader, cow loader, barrel unloader, these companies will
>have baseball teams just like in the 1950's.
>>
>> It will be very easy to do the field with white baselines, bases,
>some dugouts, like the Whistle stop buildings, some bleachers and a
>fence, that will have advertising on it. Some of the repro signs
>for the Whistle stop and the newsstands will be great, as Linda said
>a repro Branford Diner sign will work too.
>>
>> Mike Marmer
>>
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>>
>
>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46043 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/6/2007
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] The Center
A response to someone on the TCA list about my ballpark being something from Philadelphia in the last century!

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [toytrains] The Center


No No No Joseph!

This is not Philadelphia, but a small town somewhere in the USA probably 1950 where small towns had businesses with baseball leagues. So, it can not be that park.

However, if the park I make does not fit into the layout, looks awful, etc. it will be razed by bulldozers and the land will be the new "Ebbitts Field Garden Apartments" as I don't want a high-rise on my layout, blocking the view of the trains.

And there are 9 phone booths to be put on the layout from Plasticville, as the phone booth market at York has tumbled. No cell phones here!!!!!!

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: jlechner2001
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 12:17 PM
Subject: [toytrains] The Center


< Linda and I were thinking of what to put in the center where the pop
up is. Well, we both had the same idea... A baseball field. Mike
Marmer >

Let it be the "Baker Bowl", home of the Philadelphia Phillies during
much of the steam-and-steel era (1895-1938). Baker Bowl was the only
major league ball park to have a railroad tunnel running underneath the
outfield!

Joseph Lechner





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46044 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: e-mail bounce back
JMD; Please send me a copy. Thank you, Pete Henningsen, Milford, Ct.(amerflyerwanted@...)

----- Original Message -----
From: wayne hallowell
Date: Monday, December 3, 2007 7:04 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] e-mail bounce back
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Wayne E Hallowell

> JMD: Please send me a copy. Thanks...Wayne Hallowell
>
>
> > I forwarded AF Layout Plans booklet to post, but it
> > bounced back due to
> > size. It was 17 pages of schematic trackplans.
> > Diagnostic indicates
> > that it exceeded the Group's databytes limit. I
> > concurrently cc'ed it
> > to 4 members that had contacted me about the booklet
> > and it seems those
> > transmissions went through. Give me an alternative,
> > unconstrained
> > address and I'll resend. Otherwise, I don't know
> > how to post it to
> > this site. Thanks. / jmd .
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46045 From: Art Shifrin Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: inquiry by Shiffy
Is it appropriate to use this forum to publicize an AF item that I've
listed on ebay?

Best,
Shiffy


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46046 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: The Center
Two thoughts come to mind as I read this discussion.
Thing One: Why not make the base for your lift out section out of
extruded styrofoam? It's light weight and relatively strong, easy to
cut and glue with white glue. No bolts, hinges, or anything else
needed, it's light enough to just set aside or underneath. I've been
building whole layouts out of it for train shows for several years.
Thing Two: Why have just one scene on one lift out? Why not
surround the area with somewhat "generic" scenery and make a couple of
different scenes on different lift outs. That way when you get bored
and want to change things, or do a new project, you change the lift
out. You could have a road come up along side the area which lifts
out and thereby access to whatever is on the lift out section. Be it
a ballpark, or lake, or anything. Heck, you could carve a mountain
out of styrofoam for a lift out!
Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry, OH.
Group: S-Trains Message: 46047 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Dugouts
Okay, I figure I would copy the AF Whistle Stop waiting station to make two dugouts.

I will have a infield of a foot and the other 2 feet would be the outfield.

I am sure I can make some beaches, as making the white line, bases, and pitching mound can be done with paint.

I am sure I can mold a pitching mound with some clay.

Then the fence, will have some quirkiness, if that is a word, in the outfield, as the left field line will end at the base of the Gabe the Lamplighter and head right, as the Lamp is at the end of the field but stick out a bit. This is how the older ballparks where made, they fit them into spaces as houses, etc, defined the outfield at times.

This should work.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46048 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Latest Update pictures
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d


I have the latest pictures of progress.

Off to Lancaster tomorrow!

Mike Marmer


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46049 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Felt Pads
One thing I forgot to mention about the table I built.

On the bottoms of each leg of wood, I cut a piece of heavy thick felt to be put on the leg, in case I have to move this table for some reason.

I don't think I will have to do that, but you never know.

I moved fine with nothing on the table.

But now the plywood seems has joint compound on them, so I am not sure what that might do, as I would think it might be okay, still the braces are real strong. And now with things on the table, it is heavier now, I am sure.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46050 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] The Center
Oh Great, Crosely Field in Cincinnati on a layout!

Forbes Field in Pittsburgh on a layout!

I wish someone can tell where is Griffith Stadium in DC might be?

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: mlmarmer@...
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 5:56 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Center


Dear Mike,
You and Linda need to trek to Cincinnati and see the S Gauge layout at the Union Terminal. They have a model of Crosely field (sp?) where the Red plays (I think). It has lights with a 8 minute day/light cycle. If I remember correctly, from the viewing side, the fans are S scale, but as you move to the field, the players are HO and then the fans on the opposite side are N scale. Very effective. The 5 S gauge layouts cost over 2 millions dollars and each one depicts another part of Cincinnati 10 years apart. Starting from 1900 (all horses and steam engines) to 1940s with the early diesels.
Best,
Don

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

Linda and I were thinking of what to put in the center where the pop up is.

Well, we both had the same idea.

A baseball field, as since this is close to the 1950's and I will have the industrial sawmill company along with the companies of baggage loader, cow loader, barrel unloader, these companies will have baseball teams just like in the 1950's.

It will be very easy to do the field with white baselines, bases, some dugouts, like the Whistle stop buildings, some bleachers and a fence, that will have advertising on it. Some of the repro signs for the Whistle stop and the newsstands will be great, as Linda said a repro Branford Diner sign will work too.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46051 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: Last section
Al,

Thanks for the website to your S club and I have read the Ambrose book about the building of the trans continental RR.

Sadly in my little town, the Golden Spike only to be removed so it wont be stolen, will end the line as there is no more room on the table for anything. But I understand what you are saying.

Hey, nice job that someone did in your group taking a common AF flat car and making a pig transport out of it! But then they might jump out of the pen!

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Al
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 2:30 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Last section


Mike and all,

Actually, the driving of the Golden Spike set off a race in a lot of states to connect far away cities to the mainline so goods and services of all kinds could be had in small towns and cities. This also opened up markets for local goods to be sold nationally. I think you will find that some of your small towns on your layout will want better service so keep laying more rail.

Al Rawdon
President, Golden Spike American Flyer Train Club
Along the beautiful Wasatch Mountains of Northern Utah

Our new Website: http://www.gsaftc.com
Come and visit us and find out all the fun things to do in Utah.

PS - You will have to collect a few of the new 2007 Utah Quarters - The reverse has the Driving of the Golden Spike Ceremony stamped on it.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46052 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Photos
Thanks Paul for letting me know the Gettysburg connection.

We live close by to Gettysburg in MD and the Park Service does a great job, as so do the guide like you. We once had a NPS talk about how Lincoln give his address at a location not marked on the battlefield. Interesting.

thanks for telling us about your layout and hang in there.

I waited 15 years for this.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: gettysburg9
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 4:48 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Latest Photos


Mike:

Harrisburg is the hometown. I'm a Battlefield Guide in
Gettysburg. My layout is far far from being presentable at this
point. After being stored in a garage for a long period, being
abused by having items placed upon, etc., many sections need TLC.
(some rust and even some dents). Plenty of track available for
replacement (will use original AF). 36" straights and 54" curved
already on the way for those sections. Basic design is outer oval
switching to an inner oval with a switchable 90 cross section
through the center. Between these two is another oval section which
trestles over the inner section and back down.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer"
<mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Paul.
>
> Do you live in Gettysburg, as we are 45 minutes from you.
>
> Thanks for telling us about your layout. It is very close in size
to mine. And the weirder thing is, I have 14 switches too! Now for
the design you have........O:)!
>
> If you are close by or anyone else you are welcome to come by, as
I would love to see your layout.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gettysburg9
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:50 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Latest Photos
>
>
> I can appreciate your size Mike. I am bringing back to life an
old
> layout which I just came into. The dimensions are 12 x 8. Fully
> tracked (much needs tlc) with 14 switches. Oh yes, it does not
dis-
> assemble. Drove 4 hours one way to pick it up and haul it home.
> After figuring out the basic wiring going to the elaborate
control
> panel, my next project is figuring how to "cut it" to be able to
> even get it into the house. (fully braced underneath with
plywood
> top being glued and nailed). Oh well, what else do I have to do
> this winter?
> Paul
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer"
> <mlmarmer@> wrote:
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > 12 feet 6 inch x 8 feet 9 inches.
> >
> > Dinner will be served next year on this dual table. LOL
> >
> > GO TERPS! (I know you went to MD too!)
> >
> > Mike
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: James Hannawald
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 12:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Latest Photos
> >
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > What are the dimensions of you table?
> >
> > Jim
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER
> > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 6:14 AM
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Latest Photos
> >
> > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/2c8d?
> b=1&m=t&o=0
> > I have the latest photos of the table, as the table is done.
> >
> > The slide show shows a interesting metamorphic growth from
just
> wood on the floor to a completed table with stained wood border.
The
> table looks like a piece of furniture, I believe Stumpy told me.
> O:)! Yes, Thanksgiving dinner will be served for all next year
on
> this table, as the custom cup holders are on order. JUST KIDDING!
> >
> > Track has been put down already, as pictures will follow soon.
> >
> > Now where to put down the S scale cats Linda got last month in
> Strasburg. But we are going back to Strasburg this weekend, so
that
> could be dangerous, she will buy more of those cats. I hope
> Strasburg RR shoppe is out of them. LOL
> >
> > And we will see Bob Board's layout.
> >
> > Mike Marmer
> >
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> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46053 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: The Center
Thanks Alex as you where the other one to mention where to get the ball players.


Good luck with your lumber yard.

Maybe my town could have a contract with your lumber mill for baseball bats!!

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: innotron
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 5:56 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Center


Hi Mike,
Your baseball idea sounds wonderful. I try to create self-standing dioramas (1950's) with building kits that I customize and surround the A.F. accessories to add realism. I am currently creating Anderson's Pulpwood Yard next to my sawmill complete with interior details, wall decorations and lighting. The baseball field is a great idea which you can expand upon to include lighting, sound and perhaps even animation to add realism and create a centerpiece which can be appreciated even before turning the trains on. It can be self-contained and removable. Here is a link to some 1:64th baseball figures. http://www.tin-soldier.com/baseball.htm Not bad, only slightly over a buck a player. I have also seen grandstands in our scale. If you have to resort to HO figures just put on the scoreboard that this is a little league championship. Perhaps you can have a trolley that takes the crowds to the ballgame. Its your world! I have 16 switches on my 8 X 10 two level layout but it is very busy. In retrospect, 14 sounds just about right on your size table, more room for other stuff. I would suggest some changes in level and a way for the trains to disappear and reappear, it adds to the mystery.
Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; Ralph Loveless ; Jeff Snell ; cookie flannery ; steve.conard@... ; Jeanette Ryba ; Jerry Matsick
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 6:25 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] The Center

Linda and I were thinking of what to put in the center where the pop up is.

Well, we both had the same idea.

A baseball field, as since this is close to the 1950's and I will have the industrial sawmill company along with the companies of baggage loader, cow loader, barrel unloader, these companies will have baseball teams just like in the 1950's.

It will be very easy to do the field with white baselines, bases, some dugouts, like the Whistle stop buildings, some bleachers and a fence, that will have advertising on it. Some of the repro signs for the Whistle stop and the newsstands will be great, as Linda said a repro Branford Diner sign will work too.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46054 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: The Center
Bull,

I was just kidding about the baseballs, but that is a good idea.

Great for S Scale batting practice against the Atlanta Braves? O:)!

Andrew (pronounced Andru) Jones in S scales would be neat, if he is not gone by now. Used to see him Frederick MD all the time in the Carolina League.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bull_Gator_1
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 7:58 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: The Center


Mike,

I might get toasted on this but I think the diameter of a baseball
is roughly 3". So you need a 3/64 inch diameter bead for your
baseball. Try looking at Hobby Lobby or Micheals. They have very
tiny beads. If you're lucky you might find some white beads the
right size. If not just paint them white. And extra good luck
painting the stitching on!

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer"
<mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> I found a S scale baseball team, 9 on one side, two for the other,
batter and a runner and a umpire.
>
> However, 1 inch is 5.3 feet in S, so I have about 190 feet in S to
do a baseball field, A bit short, but maybe a Field of Dreams
anyway. If I shorten the infield a bit, I think it might work.
>
> I need to find some S scale baseballs. Just kidding.
>
> And no Lionel signage on the fence like in the movie "A League of
their Own", about the women's baseball teams during WW2. Sad thing,
no trains where made during the war, except for the short lived
Lionel Paper train. Maybe I can have a American Flyer sign on the
fence, since the war will be over by the time I get this thing
done!
>
> And I need a folk singer somewhere. LOL
>
> Mike Marmer
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael and Linda Marmer
> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; Ralph Loveless ;
Jeff Snell ; cookie flannery ; steve.conard@... ; Jeanette Ryba ;
Jerry Matsick
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:25 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] The Center
>
>
> Linda and I were thinking of what to put in the center where the
pop up is.
>
> Well, we both had the same idea.
>
> A baseball field, as since this is close to the 1950's and I
will have the industrial sawmill company along with the companies of
baggage loader, cow loader, barrel unloader, these companies will
have baseball teams just like in the 1950's.
>
> It will be very easy to do the field with white baselines,
bases, some dugouts, like the Whistle stop buildings, some bleachers
and a fence, that will have advertising on it. Some of the repro
signs for the Whistle stop and the newsstands will be great, as
Linda said a repro Branford Diner sign will work too.
>
> Mike Marmer
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46055 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: Populating the ballfield
Hi Jacques,

Yes, I did see those ballplayers last night and they look good.

Someone else mentioned them too. Thanks.

45 for that set painted is fine.

I really can't wait to do the fence with the signs on it. O:)!

I think the first game will between the employee's of the sawmill and the cattle loader!

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Jollivier4@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 7:05 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Populating the ballfield


Hey Mike and Gang,

When you or anyone else gets ready to populate the ballfield, contact John
McEwan at www.tin-soldier.com. He has both teams in kits.

Jacques in Thorp

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46056 From: clayton deich Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: amatures/motors.......
Hi, I have used his parts befor, but I would like to
know how well do the over sized ones work?



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46057 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Lancaster PA
Off to Lancaster PA for more train excitement, real and hobby.

We have tickets for the train ride in Middletown, PA, near Harrisburg on Sunday. Then after that down to Bob Board's AF layout in his shop.

We are to do walk on a rail trail, as there is another one by the other one we did. Not sure if that will go off, with the snow. I wonder how many Turkeys we saw on the first rail trail in October survived the holidays.

I hope Strasburg RR Shoppe is out of the S scale cats that my wife wants to get some more of! LOL Maybe they might have baseball players, as the other place I have seen on the web, as well of some you have told me about will be fine. Strasburg had a ton of S scale figure by Artista as I know I spelled that wrong. They also had a good selection of S trains by Lionel and S Helper.

And we hope to see the ballpark in Lancaster as we saw the one in York already. Nice ballparks for a short season league.

Have a great weekend.

Mike

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46058 From: James Hannawald Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: The Center
Mike,

You might try this site http://www.ballparks.com/baseball/american/griffi.htm for the layout, I know you have been there in the past

Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; Ralph Loveless ; Jeff Snell ; steve.conard@... ; cookie flannery ; Jeanette Ryba
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 8:36 PM
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] The Center


Oh Great, Crosely Field in Cincinnati on a layout!

Forbes Field in Pittsburgh on a layout!

I wish someone can tell where is Griffith Stadium in DC might be?

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: mlmarmer@...
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 5:56 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Center

Dear Mike,
You and Linda need to trek to Cincinnati and see the S Gauge layout at the Union Terminal. They have a model of Crosely field (sp?) where the Red plays (I think). It has lights with a 8 minute day/light cycle. If I remember correctly, from the viewing side, the fans are S scale, but as you move to the field, the players are HO and then the fans on the opposite side are N scale. Very effective. The 5 S gauge layouts cost over 2 millions dollars and each one depicts another part of Cincinnati 10 years apart. Starting from 1900 (all horses and steam engines) to 1940s with the early diesels.
Best,
Don

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

Linda and I were thinking of what to put in the center where the pop up is.

Well, we both had the same idea.

A baseball field, as since this is close to the 1950's and I will have the industrial sawmill company along with the companies of baggage loader, cow loader, barrel unloader, these companies will have baseball teams just like in the 1950's.

It will be very easy to do the field with white baselines, bases, some dugouts, like the Whistle stop buildings, some bleachers and a fence, that will have advertising on it. Some of the repro signs for the Whistle stop and the newsstands will be great, as Linda said a repro Branford Diner sign will work too.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46059 From: Timboy Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Updated #717 Log Unloading Car
Hi Guys,

I just completed a project. I took an old #717 Log Unloading Car
(because they are cheap and work pretty well) and upgraded it.
First, I removed the linker trucks and riveted knuckle trucks back
on. Then I cut off the knuckles and installed Kadee #802
uncouplers. I swapped out the ACG wheel sets for some S-Helper wheel
sets. I added a couple end rails that I cut down from old caboose
end rails. I repainted the chassis black and the log carrier a rust
color. Inside the unloader is a 4 amp rectifier because I had to
refit this unit for DCC track voltage. Since the voltage to the
solenoid is a little weak, I swapped out the hardwood "logs" for
balsa wood "logs" that I cut to length, then scrapped down with a
hacksaw blade and painted a brown/black. I also had to rebend the
flange of the carrier down a little to allow for an easier unload.
Now I am all set to make a delivery of logs to my Sawmill, using a
repainted #355 switcher equipped for DCC motion & sound. I'm
trailing a homemade work caboose.

Here's a link if you would like to take a peek:

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/bc2b

S-Happens!
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 46060 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Baseball Park Fencing
Hi Mike,

I installed a fence on my oil depot that you might want to look at.
You can see the fencing at:

http://s-
scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bull+gator/LVM28/Gulf+truck+1.jpg
.html

There are some other photos in the oil depot gallery that also show
the fencing but this photo is a close up.

The fencing is mosquito screen fabric from Walmart. If you look
closely at the photos, you can see the fabric is woven in a running
bond, not the typical 45 degree pattern. I used this type mesh
because I wanted a more industrial look. If you want a
regular "chain link" fence then you could use the diamond pattern
mesh. The running bond mesh I used makes the pattern difficult to
cut. If you get too close to a cross in the pattern, the fabric will
fray and unravel. I was unable to find a product that would prevent
the fraying. The fence sections are 1.5 inches high (8 feet scale)
by anywhere from 6 inches to 14 inches long. The posts are somewhat
longer to fit into holes drilled in the base. The posts are located
1.5 inches apart (8 feet scale). The fabric pieces are 1.5 inches by
the required running length. Even cutting them out very slowly and
carefully, I averaged one good section for every four I started.

The fence posts and rails are 0.035 inch styrene rod. They were
assembled using Testors Liquid Cement. I assembled the rails and
poles for a given section of fencing on a flat surface for better
alignment, then spray painted the assembly. I laid a piece of
plastic cove molding to serve as a berm and mounted the fence along
the centerline of the berm by drilling holes into the molding. I
then just slipped the completed post and rail sections into the
holes and glued them in while maintaining a 1.5 inch height on the
rails.

I then attached the fence fabric one section at a time by taking
some of the fabric "threads" and tying the fence fabric to the posts
and rails. If you take a look at real chain link fence you can see
how it is done. This is tedious work and you must be extremely
careful not to catch any of the cut ends of the fence fabric or it
will unravel and you are back to square one.

The last step was to glue the ballast stone to the berm. The ballast
stone was used to help keep the posts and the fencing in a nice,
straight line.

Just like real chain link fencing, the fabric does not turn corners.
It is stopped at the end of each run and a new section begins around
the corner. I thought about inserting rods at the end of each run
just like on real chain link fencing, but you've got to remember
this is a hobby model and stop with the minute details somewhere.

I have looked at the hobby shop kits that use wedding veil type
fabric for the fence material. The fabric is white and must be
attached to the rails/posts, then stretched, then painted. I think
my system is about the same amount of work but the end result is,
IMHO, far superior to the kits. Not only that - you can make tons of
fence with a $6 roll of screen versus $12 for a few feet with the
kits!

If you have any other questions, drop me an email.

Good luck with your ballpark!!

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 46061 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: Fred's Train Parts Open House
In a message dated 12/6/2007 5:21:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, boss31@...
writes:


I don't have any wings or feathers Jim. If I did, I'd go South for the
Winter.

So would I, already tired of winter.

Jim



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46062 From: Timboy Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Photos on S-scale.org
Hi Folks,

Those of us who do not belong to S-Scale and don't care to, can't view
photos posted to S-Scale.org. Therefore a great aspect of sharing on
this List is lost to us. Would it be possible for everyone to just use
the photo section on this List for pic posting? Moderator(s), is there
a way to have us S-Trains only people be able to at least view photos
on S-Scale.org without having to belong? Thanks to all.

S-Happens!
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 46063 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: Photos on S-scale.org
I'm confused Tim.
Why can't photos be viewed at S-Scale.org?
Are you talking about : http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/
You don't have to "belong" to view photos.
I send links to my photos there to several different forums and friends.


Rick.


Hi Folks,

Those of us who do not belong to S-Scale and don't care to, can't view
photos posted to S-Scale.org. Therefore a great aspect of sharing on
this List is lost to us. Would it be possible for everyone to just use
the photo section on this List for pic posting? Moderator(s), is there
a way to have us S-Trains only people be able to at least view photos
on S-Scale.org without having to belong? Thanks to all.

S-Happens!
Tim Brown



Enjoy thousands of great photos
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46064 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: Photos on S-scale.org
PS.............S-scale.org is a better site for posting photos IMHO.
Paul and myself (and one other, I"ve forgotten their name, sorry) can easily set up an album
at S-scale.org and they should be able to be viewed by anyone.

Rick.


Those of us who do not belong to S-Scale and don't care to, can't view
photos posted to S-Scale.org. Therefore a great aspect of sharing on
this List is lost to us. Would it be possible for everyone to just use
the photo section on this List for pic posting? Moderator(s), is there
a way to have us S-Trains only people be able to at least view photos
on S-Scale.org without having to belong? Thanks to all.

S-Happens!
Tim Brown



Enjoy thousands of great photos
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46065 From: David Dewey Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Mike's & Barb's ball fields
OK, I like the idea too--espeically since you could put some speakers in the
stands and play theater organ music!! Baseball oriented tunes, of course!
Cool, I can combine two hobbies!!
S'
David D.
Busy baking cookies for the steamboaters--oh, last batch out, gotta box 'em
up!
Group: S-Trains Message: 46066 From: Joseph Haughney Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: Latest Update pictures
Hi Mike

Like your layout to date. I am currently starting my layout using some
premade benchwork which is supposed to be delivered some time after the
first of the year. I also liked your display cases for your trains. I
couldn't get all of the details on how they were put together from the
pictures so I was wondering if you could clue me in on what you did.



Appreciate any info.



Thanks,

Joe Haughney

Architect of the New England & Middle Atlantic (NEMA). Yea I know there is
probably some government agency with those initials (not FEMA).



_____





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46067 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: inquiry by Shiffy
Some request that it states "eBay" in the subject title.
Then it can be deleted and not read, if one chooses.

Rick.



Is it appropriate to use this forum to publicize an AF item that I've
listed on ebay?

Best,
Shiffy


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46068 From: Phil Dunlop Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: Updated #717 Log Unloading Car
Lovely! Just Lovely!!! Gotta luv the flexibility, responsiveness,
and pure fun that DCC brings to 50 year old equipment!!!

cheers

phil d

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <Timboy@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I just completed a project. I took an old #717 Log Unloading Car
> (because they are cheap and work pretty well) and upgraded it.
> First, I removed the linker trucks and riveted knuckle trucks back
> on. Then I cut off the knuckles and installed Kadee #802
> uncouplers. I swapped out the ACG wheel sets for some S-Helper
wheel
> sets. I added a couple end rails that I cut down from old caboose
> end rails. I repainted the chassis black and the log carrier a
rust
> color. Inside the unloader is a 4 amp rectifier because I had to
> refit this unit for DCC track voltage. Since the voltage to the
> solenoid is a little weak, I swapped out the hardwood "logs" for
> balsa wood "logs" that I cut to length, then scrapped down with a
> hacksaw blade and painted a brown/black. I also had to rebend the
> flange of the carrier down a little to allow for an easier unload.
> Now I am all set to make a delivery of logs to my Sawmill, using a
> repainted #355 switcher equipped for DCC motion & sound. I'm
> trailing a homemade work caboose.
>
> Here's a link if you would like to take a peek:
>
> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/bc2b
>
> S-Happens!
> Tim Brown
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46069 From: Wayne B. Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: American Flyer website
I have read and seen on this list about an all
American Flyer website that has pictures of nearly
everything made in AF and the new Flyonel cars and
engines. I did not make a link at the time for the
website and now cannot find it.

Could someone post the link to the site please.

Thanks,
Wayne
Golden Spike AF Club


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46070 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: Photos on S-scale.org
Tim & all,

You could join S-Scale
and just not receive
any messages. NO CHARGE.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Timboy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 11:39 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Photos on S-scale.org


Hi Folks,

Those of us who do not belong to S-Scale and don't care to, can't view
photos posted to S-Scale.org. Therefore a great aspect of sharing on
this List is lost to us. Would it be possible for everyone to just use
the photo section on this List for pic posting? Moderator(s), is there
a way to have us S-Trains only people be able to at least view photos
on S-Scale.org without having to belong? Thanks to all.

S-Happens!
Tim Brown





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46071 From: Timboy Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: Photos on S-scale.org
Hi Rick & All,

This is confusing to me as well. For the past couple days, every time
I tried to access the S-Scale.org photo site where some of us post
photos, I was required to log in - which of course, I couldn't do. I
don't want to join the S-Scale List. Suddenly tonight though, I don't
have to because for some odd reason, I can now access the site without
a login. Well, I hope it continues. Thanks for the responses &
comments. If the resolution on photos posted to that site is indeed
better, then I understand why some of us want to post there and maybe I
will too now.

S-Happens!
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 46072 From: jarmstr2 Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: e-mail bounce back
Could you forward the layout plans one more time? I'd appreciate it!
Thanks - JimA

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wyoaf" <davis@...> wrote:
>
> I forwarded AF Layout Plans booklet to post, but [snip] Give me an
alternative, unconstrained
> address and I'll resend. Otherwise, I don't know how to post it to
> this site. Thanks. / jmd .
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46073 From: innotron Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: American Flyer website
Hi Wayne,
The site that you are refering to is probably that of Robert Graves out here in San Diego. http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/trains.html
Good luck,
Alex Sibbald
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne B.
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 10:29 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer website


I have read and seen on this list about an all
American Flyer website that has pictures of nearly
everything made in AF and the new Flyonel cars and
engines. I did not make a link at the time for the
website and now cannot find it.

Could someone post the link to the site please.

Thanks,
Wayne
Golden Spike AF Club

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46074 From: DPDB@AOL.com Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: amatures/motors.......
I understand the3 work well but for my money I woould do a Timko can
conversion


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46075 From: DPDB@AOL.com Date: 12/7/2007
Subject: Re: Updated #717 Log Unloading Car
I was wondering Tim if you plan to unload your logs with DCC



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46076 From: Al Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Last section
Mike,

The flat car with the pigs all penned up was created by Reed Wall of
Woods Cross, Utah, a member of our club. He has his pegs packed so
tight that they can barely breath. He loves to kit-bash and has come
up with many unique ideas. He refers to his car as an open-air Pig
Palace. The Golden Spike AF Train Club has many kit-bashers. If you
need ideas, we've got plenty.

Our Club's next show is at the 17th Annual Model Train Show being
held in the Big Barn (a really nice new building) at Thanksgiving
Point in Lehi, Utah, about 30 miles south of Salt Lake City. The show
is January 25th and 26th, 2008, sponsored by the Ophir, Tintic, @
Western Model RR Club, an N scale club. Our club has been one of
their premier clubs helping bring in the public for all the vendors
that attend. We have a great time there showing the public what S-
Gauge and American Flyer trains are all about. Check our club website
for more information and our schedule at: http://www.gsaftc.com

Al


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael and Linda Marmer"
<mlmarmer@...> wrote:
>
> Al,
>
> Thanks for the website to your S club and I have read the Ambrose
book about the building of the trans continental RR.
>
> Sadly in my little town, the Golden Spike only to be removed so it
wont be stolen, will end the line as there is no more room on the
table for anything. But I understand what you are saying.
>
> Hey, nice job that someone did in your group taking a common AF
flat car and making a pig transport out of it! But then they might
jump out of the pen!
>
> Mike
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46077 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: Photos on S-scale.org
Hmmmmmm.........you shouldn't have to sign-in to view photos,
only to work in your own album.

To Glen: The S-Scale list at Yahoo is totally different then the
photo albums at S-Scale.org. If I understood your comment! :^)

Rick.


This is confusing to me as well. For the past couple days, every time
I tried to access the S-Scale.org photo site where some of us post
photos, I was required to log in - which of course, I couldn't do. I
don't want to join the S-Scale List. Suddenly tonight though, I don't
have to because for some odd reason, I can now access the site without
a login. Well, I hope it continues. Thanks for the responses &
comments. If the resolution on photos posted to that site is indeed
better, then I understand why some of us want to post there and maybe I
will too now.

S-Happens!
Tim Brown





Enjoy thousands of great photos
at http://S-Scale.org/albums
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46078 From: s_trains Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Photo Viewing - Logins may be required
just to clarify...

S-Scale.org has the photo gallery, and does not require a login to
view the pictures. And there are some great ones out there.

S-Trains this yahoo group
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/) and it does require Yahoo
group membership to view the pictures. (Not everybody that gets this
note has a yahoo login.)


S-Scale is a yahoo group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/)
and it does require group membership to view its pictures. That group
is for the guys that DON'T want to talk Flyer.

S-Trains.com , my original website, that I never seem to have time
for anymore.
Group: S-Trains Message: 46079 From: Timboy Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: Updated #717 Log Unloading Car
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, DPDB@... wrote:
>
> I was wondering Tim if you plan to unload your logs with DCC

Hi,

Okay, good question! Let's talk theory. I believe it is possible to
activate an action car using DCC. I think that would involve
installing a T4 chip or better in the car, removing the action lever
on the one truck and installing pick-up wheels in that truck so both
trucks are picking up track current all the time. The T4 or other
motion chip could then be used to activate the car - I think. The
advantage would be that you could activate the car anywhere on the RR
with a touch of a function key on the throttle. The disadvantage(s)
is/are that you would also have to de-activate it with the touch of a
function key before the solenoid burns out. To activate it in the
first place, you would have to toggle to that chip's address on your
throttle. Now, imagine a dozen action cars and three dozen switches -
all with DCC decoders so you could activate them with a touch of
your throttle function button. Wouldn't it be terribly confusing
which car and which switch is which address on your throttle? And
wouldn't it be a chore to mind all those addresses, toggling
endlessly? That's how I see it, or am I not envisioning it correctly.

All the above being said, I still prefer the old analog way of
activating action cars and key switches with a push-button. However,
I have installed multiple button locations all around my RR, so that
when I am walking about, throttle in hand, I am never too far away
from a mini-control center to activate key elements the old-fashioned
way.

S-Happens!
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 46080 From: Art Shifrin Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: ebay 190181408376 offered by Shiffy
Hi Gang,

I've listed one of the two fully operational 574 / 342 hybrids that I
created some years ago. From four 574s and one 342. A factory -
original and properly operating 574 is apparently / possibly
non-existent because they are plagued with 'metal rot'. I know of one
that IS 'perfect', with all original parts: it is a treasure. It was
achieved by cannibalizing parts of 12 engines to do so! The tenders
aren't as challenging because none of their operational parts is
dependent upon the diecast shell.

The engine's comprised of: 342 SIB chassis, shell & boiler front (with
visor intact). All 16 wheels & axles, steam chest, rods & linkages are
original 575 parts. I don't recall if the pilot's from a 575 or 342.

The tender is structurally close to all original. The shell is free of
rot and sturdy. But one of the rear steps was broken off. Rather than
adhere a salvaged original part & then have to be concerned with
fragility, I improvised a new step. This was accomplished by drilling a
hole inside that corner, and setting a 4-40 screw's shaft with epoxy.
Then I built up the square profile by applying layers of epoxy to the
shaft. It was sanded, filed and ground to the correct shape. However, I
did not mill out the recess in its face. It's repainted but not
lettered.

As those of you who have S layouts know, these N.P. yard goats are
particularly entertaining to watch in motion. Their older O gauge
siblings are no less fascinating. This one achieves the illusion of the
S gauge versions, because it smokes and chugs. FYI the second one has
no smoking mechanism. For improved reliability and versatility, a QSI
ARCU replaces the original e-eunit in the tender. The E & T are
tethered by a 5 lead m/f harness.

The engine shell's numbered 458, which is the average of 574 & 342.

I can no longer perform this detailed kind of work and will not be
creating others.

The only remaining improvement that could be applied to this piece
would be the addition of traction tires, which I've done to the other
much more common types. I've had perhaps two dozen apparently sturdy
original wheels (for the Northerns & other common models) milled to
create grooves for the tires. Even when done expertly, they can
fragment, and that's no tragedy even for Northerns' wheels. I decided
not to chance damaging originals. Otherwise this could have pulled even
a long consist of diecast cars. Gluing tires onto the blind drivers is
not possible because the distance of their surfaces from the rail is
greater than their clearances from the flanged drivers.

Best,
Shiffy






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Group: S-Trains Message: 46081 From: Dave Hess Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Wiring a 324AC
S-Fans,

Is there an easy way to verify that an American Flyer 324AC Hudson is wired correctly? I have the same question about the 290 Pacific. Both locos have 4-pin connectors from the tender.

Thanks in Advance,

Dave Hess


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46082 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Looking for member
Looking for Gino Restivin this group, email me off group.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46083 From: Timboy Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Conrail Project
Hi Folks,

I just completed an old GP7 conversion to a Conrail road name. It may
not be prototypically accurate, but I think it looks sharp. It has my
standard DCC and Kadee conversion. I resisted the urge to add more
detail parts and paint because no matter how sophisticated we get that
way, they are still toys. My goal was to create a nice impression and
let it go at that, which is why I used O-gauge decals, for a bold
statement.

Anyway, if you would like to get an idea of what to do with an old GP7,
here is a link to the pics in our photo section:

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/bc2b

S-Happens!
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 46084 From: Mike Rosz Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] A cab control
there is only one "cab" on a train.
therefore there can only be one "cab" control on a train layout.

of course with dcc you have a controler in your hand
so now we have new rules for 'control'
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:35:39 -0500 Don Thompson <don@...>
writes:
Dear Paul,
I might get laughed at too. My concept of cab control - Looking at
layout, instead of one transformer (cab) being connected directly to the
tracks, more than one is connected with each block (insulated sections
of layout) would have something like a rotary switch with all cabs also
connected. Using the rotary switch, the cab would control only that
block or adjoining blocks where the rotary switch is selected to the
same cab. This was used with the NASG modules (2 main line cabs -
yellow and red as well as several local cabs). DCC as well as TMCC or
DCS eliminates the need for cab control as all track are powered with
each engine having a decoder that takes the place of the rotary switch.
Best,
Don

gettysburg9 wrote:

> With the chance of being laughed out of the group, ...........what is
> meant by "cab control". I have an idea but need to have specific info
> before I attempt to trouble-shoot. If it deals with specific track
> hook-up, what is involved. Oh the questions that neophytes ask, I
> know, I know........... Thanks.
> Paul
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46085 From: Timboy Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] A cab control
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mike Rosz <n9guy@...> wrote:
>
> there is only one "cab" on a train.
> therefore there can only be one "cab" control on a train layout.

Hi Mike,

You are speaking prototypically and are totally correct.

> of course with dcc you have a controler in your hand
> so now we have new rules for 'control'

Actually with DCC, it's kinda the same old rules, but now on
steroids. With vintage model RR'ing, we were able to exert multiple -
albeit sequential - control on a given cab with the use of multiple
transformers; one per "town" or block. THE quintessential vintage
model RR of all time in our gauge was, IMHO, the Mike
Koloseus "Branford & Western", which used a #8 transformer at
each "town" or block. The cab, or train then got "passed off" to a
different transformer and maybe a different operator as well who was
responsible for operations within his "town", block or jurisdiction.
Nowadays, for the purposes of this discussion, the blocks can be
pretty much eliminated (although the "towns" can remain) and the DCC
throttle or even multiple throttles takes the place of the multiple
transformers - only better in many ways.

Does this make sense?

S-Happens!
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 46086 From: barb Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: Conrail Project
Tim,

Really nice job on the conversion of your 370 ! It does
look sharp.... Barb

-----Original Message-----
>From: Timboy <Timboy@...>
>Sent: Dec 8, 2007 11:15 AM
>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [S-Trains] Conrail Project
>
>Hi Folks,
>
>I just completed an old GP7 conversion to a Conrail road name. It may
>not be prototypically accurate, but I think it looks sharp. It has my
>standard DCC and Kadee conversion. I resisted the urge to add more
>detail parts and paint because no matter how sophisticated we get that
>way, they are still toys. My goal was to create a nice impression and
>let it go at that, which is why I used O-gauge decals, for a bold
>statement.
>
>Anyway, if you would like to get an idea of what to do with an old GP7,
>here is a link to the pics in our photo section:
>
>http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/bc2b
>
>S-Happens!
>Tim Brown
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46087 From: Edward G. Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: Conrail Project
Hay Tim ..when your doing a pic to show the unit ..How about a shot
close of unit and a little less layout so we can get a good side shot
of just the train.....

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <Timboy@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I just completed an old GP7 conversion to a Conrail road name. It
may
> not be prototypically accurate, but I think it looks sharp. It has
my
> standard DCC and Kadee conversion. I resisted the urge to add more
> detail parts and paint because no matter how sophisticated we get
that
> way, they are still toys. My goal was to create a nice impression
and
> let it go at that, which is why I used O-gauge decals, for a bold
> statement.
>
> Anyway, if you would like to get an idea of what to do with an old
GP7,
> here is a link to the pics in our photo section:
>
> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/bc2b
>
> S-Happens!
> Tim Brown
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46088 From: Dave Hess Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Wiring a 324AC Hudson
S-Fans,

Is there an easy way to verify that an American Flyer 324AC Hudson is
wired correctly, specifically the tender? I have the same question
about the 290 Pacific. Both locos have 4-pin connectors from the
tender.

Thanks in Advance,

Dave Hess
Group: S-Trains Message: 46089 From: Timboy Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: Conrail Project
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> wrote:
>
> Hay Tim ..when your doing a pic to show the unit ..How about a shot
> close of unit and a little less layout so we can get a good side shot
of just the train.....


Hi Ed,

You bet! How's this:

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/bc2b

S-Happens!
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 46090 From: Edward G. Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: Conrail Project
HAY Tim ...That thar is PURTY....LOL

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <Timboy@...> wrote:


>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Edward G." <am-flyr@> wrote:
> >
> > Hay Tim ..when your doing a pic to show the unit ..How about a
shot
> > close of unit and a little less layout so we can get a good side
shot
> of just the train.....
>
>
> Hi Ed,
>
> You bet! How's this:
>
> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/browse/bc2b
>
> S-Happens!
> Tim Brown
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46092 From: barb Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: Wiring a 324AC Hudson
Hi Dave,

If you have or can get your hands on the American Flyer
Service manual (black hard-copy book) by Aurotech or
K-Line (2 editions of the same book), the wiring diagrams
are in there.

However, I usually rely on the old test, "if it runs and
smoke is coming only out of the smoke stack, then it is
probably wired right".

If you are having a problem with the operation of the
324AC (my first engine) or the 290, post it here to
the group and let us have a chance to diagnose it for
you and suggest a solution.

Good luck.... Barb

PS If you live near Raleigh, NC, you can drop on by and
compare your wiring to that of my 324AC.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Dave Hess <sportlands@...>
>Sent: Dec 8, 2007 6:56 PM
>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [S-Trains] Wiring a 324AC Hudson
>
>S-Fans,
>
>Is there an easy way to verify that an American Flyer 324AC Hudson is
>wired correctly, specifically the tender? I have the same question
>about the 290 Pacific. Both locos have 4-pin connectors from the
>tender.
>
>Thanks in Advance,
>
>Dave Hess
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46093 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: Conrail Project
Tim,
What track system do you use? Looks good. Mike in Or



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46094 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: Wiring a 324AC Hudson
Dave, Et al,
Of the 4 pins on the 280 & 290 series Pacifics , along
with switchers, Hudons & Atlantics seem to have Field leads going to the bottom
of the 4 pin socket. Armature go to the top of it closest to the cab.
Northern's & K5 Pacifics seem to have the field leads going to the center
of the socket. Armature going to the ends closest to the cab windows of the
socket.
I would use an OHM meter to check & see if you get a reading from the field
at these points.
You can also look at the wires & see if the wires go from the socoket to
the field correctly. Mike in OR



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46095 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Steam Wiring
This may or may not help.

http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/info/steamwiring.jpg.html


Rick.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46096 From: Timboy Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: Conrail Project
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
>
> Tim,
> What track system do you use? Looks good. Mike in Or

Hi Mike,

I guess most everyone else on this List has heard me describe
my "track system" at one time or another, but since a reply goes out
to the List as default, then my answer to you does as well. Anyway,
I strip the metal ties off old vintage ACG track and re-use the
rails. After I glue down cork roadbed, I glue hand-cut wooden out-of-
scale ties (stained with ebony wood stain) down on it. Since ACG
rails are code 155 or better, I have sized the out-of-sclae wooden
ties to look "right" to the rails. Then I glue down the ballast.
After it is dry, I spike down the rails, re-bending to suit. I use G-
gauge spikes. I make my own closed-frog switches using the old ACG
rails and Blue Points for switch frog controllers. My homemade
switches are custom-built on location and work a whole lot better
than the old vintage switches on my RR.

S-Happens!
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 46097 From: Mike Rosz Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] inquiry by Shiffy
people do it, but should not.
we used to have a site for that.
maybe still do.

>>Is it appropriate to use this forum to publicize an A item that I've
listed on by?

Best,
Shiffy<<
Group: S-Trains Message: 46098 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: 324 & 290 wiring
Dave, Et al,
Of the 4 pins on the 280 & 290 series Pacifics , along
with switchers, Hudsons & Atlantics seem to have Field leads going to the
bottom
of the 4 pin socket. Armature go to the top of it closest to the cab.
Northern's & K5 Pacifics seem to have the field leads going to the center
of the socket. Armature going to the ends closest to the cab windows of the
socket.
I would use an OHM meter to check & see if you get a reading from the field
at these points.
You can also look at the wires & see if the wires go from the socket to
the field correctly. Mike in OR
Group: S-Trains Message: 46099 From: James Hannawald Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: 466 Wiring
I decided today to get my feet wet on tryimg to repair an American Flyer diesel. I have a 466 Comet that needs a lot of help, which will come after I get it cleaned and running. When I opened it I was confronted with a whole new look. (For me) Where the parts diagrams show a reverse unit there is a devise that looks like it may be some type of coil. It is wired very similar to a reverse unit. Can someone tell me about this? None of my other repair sheets show this on any of the diesels. There is one loose wire and it comes from one of the brushes and looks like it would go to the rear rivet.

Thanks ahead

Jim

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46100 From: jwieckoski Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: All Aboard Panels
FOR SALE 21 ALL ABOARD PANELS
12 CURVED PANELS
6 STRAIGHT PANELS
2 LEFT SWITCH PANELS
1 RIGHT SWITCH PANELS
MAKE AN OFFER FOR THE LOT OR BY THE PIECE

JWIECKOSKI@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 46101 From: Phil K Date: 12/8/2007
Subject: Re: inquiry by Shiffy
> Is it appropriate to use this forum to publicize an AF item that I've
> listed on ebay?
>
> Best,
> Shiffy

In a word, no.

We've received complaints in the past about this because it was
getting out of hand. No problem if once in awhile you want to offer an
item to the family here, but once it is put up on eBay it becomes a
different scenario -- an open auction.

Unfortunately, we have a half-dozen or so S-Trains "members" who for
years have never made a contribution here other than to alert everyone
to their latest sales on eBay. I have rejected two such listings in
the past two weeks.

This forum doesn't need to become a cyber flea market. That's why the
companion site "Available S Gauge" got started.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AvailableSgauge/messages

I realize with some this may not be a popular decision, but all of us
moderators do the best we can to keep things smooth & peaceful here.

Phil K
======================================================================
In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Art Shifrin" <Goldens3@...> wrote:
>
> Is it appropriate to use this forum to publicize an AF item that I've
> listed on ebay?
>
> Best,
> Shiffy
Group: S-Trains Message: 46102 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/9/2007
Subject: Re: 466 Wiring
In a message dated 12/08/2007 9:05:35 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
jhannawald@... writes:

I decided today to get my feet wet on tryimg to repair an American Flyer
diesel. I have a 466 Comet that needs a lot of help, which will come after I get
it cleaned and running. When I opened it I was confronted with a whole new
look. (For me) Where the parts diagrams show a reverse unit there is a devise
that looks like it may be some type of coil. It is wired very similar to a
reverse unit. Can someone tell me about this? None of my other repair sheets
show this on any of the diesels. There is one loose wire and it comes from one
of the brushes and looks like it would go to the rear rivet.

Thanks ahead

Jim



Send me a photo of it. It sounds like something Rube Goldberg. It could be a
2 step reverse unit that came in later models, not 466 Comets.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46103 From: Doug Peck Date: 12/9/2007
Subject: Re: Wiring a 324AC Hudson
Among the "Repair Clinics" on our website is one loaded with wiring
diagrams for various engines.......and I am open to adding more; just
need suggestions (or better yet, ready-to-post diagrams.....I'm a poor
artist !)



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6 Storeybrooke Drive
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46105 From: Robert Ahrens Date: 12/9/2007
Subject: Re: Last section
Michael and Linda, I would be interested in your bumpers and perhaps some of
your turnouts

You have to get rid of. I am in the process of constructing an AF layout
using AF track and 3 foot

Flex track combination. I need some bumpers for my yard and spurs�let me
know off list if you would.

Rahrens54@comcast .net and I live 5 miles north of York�



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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 6:31 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Last section



Thanks Bull.

Thanks for telling me about your train experience.

I have been careful with clearances, etc.

I think I got the dual curves far apart.

I will make sure the accessories are not going to be hit by anything.

The one thing I need to do, for the cattle loader, is have the track rise up
and down a bit, going through the loader, or cut down the metal for the trip
unit on the cattle car. The track is a bit lower that the typical AF.

Oh, looking at the AF track vs. the American S Gauge track. The ASG track
looks wonderful. I was torn in not using the old AF track, but the
appearance and the connectivity (electrical) is so superior. Now I have a
ton of AF track, switches and bumpers to get rid of!

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bull_Gator_1
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com"S-Trains@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 12:51 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Last section

Mike,

Good luck on driving that "golden spike". I completed laying rail
on my layout a couple of years ago but soon discovered that as I
placed buildings, accessories, etc on the layout the track needed to
be tweaked to allow for clearances and in some cases just to look
better. One section was completely re-worked because my oil depot
was facing the wall unless I turned it 180 degrees away from the
track siding. Hmmmm - look at the back of the depot or re-lay the
track siding - it ended up being an easy decision but a lot of work!
Also keep in mind that most operating accessories have to be within
easy reach. For example the saw mill needs to be close enough you
can load the planks in it. I continue to tweak my track as I get
different rolling stock and engines. Beware the clearance at depots
with overhanging roofs, and the operating passenger station hits
extended vision cabeese, on and on it goes. With all the
engineering challanges it's no wonder most of us who played with AF
as kids ended up in technical careers!

BG1

--- In HYPERLINK
"mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com"S-Trains@..., "MICHAEL
MARMER LINDA MARMER"
<mlmarmer@..-.> wrote:
>
> I have one more section of track to put down.
>
> I need to make it a custom cut piece.
>
> It will be last the 1869 Golden Spike ceremony.
>
> O:)!
>
> Then I can order the road bed and ballast!
>
> Mike
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46106 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/9/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/9/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46107 From: Doug Peck Date: 12/9/2007
Subject: Re: NASG Commemorative Cars
All 2-car orders have been mailed, and I'm about 2/3 of the way through
the 1-car orders. 600 cars to mail......takes time !
DP

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sam & Peggy Pellegrino <boxcarsam@...>
wrote:........
the Crane and the Work Caboose. I received the crane, but not the
later. Have those been sent out yet?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46108 From: gettysburg9 Date: 12/9/2007
Subject: How To? Decal removal...
I have a 370 GP-7. What would be the best way to remove the old decals
without messing up the paint/plastic?
Group: S-Trains Message: 46109 From: Trains Date: 12/9/2007
Subject: Re: 466 Wiring
In reference to strange electrical object in 466 diesel.

A photo is always helpfull in describing an item...from what you have described ...it sounds like an old 50's style silicone rectifier-before solid state stuff was common. This would have been done to convert an AC engine/motor to run on DC. The advantages of DC are smoother/quiter operation, and no troublesome buzzing reverse unit needed, as direction is controlled by flipping a DPDT toggle switch. The rectifier is wired in where a reverse unit would have been, wiring diagrams to acomplish this are readily available. NEW modern efficient rectifiers (replace the old inefficient silicone rectifier) can be found at your local Radio Shack or similar store. Look for a Full Bridge rectifier with min. 12v and 50PIV at 5 Amps or better rating. These are usually in a rectangular shape about 1/2"-3/4" square and with four leads that are marked. This will easily fit inside your diesel. By the way, an AC motor will run on DC, as the filed windings are what generate the magnetic field. The reverse is not true as aDC motor uses a magnet to generate the magnetic field and would be destoyed by AC.

If you want to "restore" to AC operation, replace with an apropriate reverse unit and rewire based on wiring diagram. You may wish to install a Modern solid state reversing unit, rather than the old style mechanical rotating drum.

Various S sites offer wiring diagrams and S replacement parts, such as Doug Peck,SnS and others.

Peter Loeb

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46110 From: James Hannawald Date: 12/9/2007
Subject: Re: 466 Wiring
Peter,

I believe you are right, I was beginning to suspect that it was meant for DC operation but wasn't sure. The dealer I got it from was trying to test it on AC most of the morning at a train show where I was running my demo layout. He gave up and then told people it doesn't run.

I posted a couple of pictures at
http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/Jim+Hannawald/DSCN1686.JPG.html

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: Trains
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 466 Wiring


In reference to strange electrical object in 466 diesel.

A photo is always helpfull in describing an item...from what you have described ...it sounds like an old 50's style silicone rectifier-before solid state stuff was common. This would have been done to convert an AC engine/motor to run on DC. The advantages of DC are smoother/quiter operation, and no troublesome buzzing reverse unit needed, as direction is controlled by flipping a DPDT toggle switch. The rectifier is wired in where a reverse unit would have been, wiring diagrams to acomplish this are readily available. NEW modern efficient rectifiers (replace the old inefficient silicone rectifier) can be found at your local Radio Shack or similar store. Look for a Full Bridge rectifier with min. 12v and 50PIV at 5 Amps or better rating. These are usually in a rectangular shape about 1/2"-3/4" square and with four leads that are marked. This will easily fit inside your diesel. By the way, an AC motor will run on DC, as the filed windings are what generate the magnetic field. The reverse is not true as aDC motor uses a magnet to generate the magnetic field and would be destoyed by AC.

If you want to "restore" to AC operation, replace with an apropriate reverse unit and rewire based on wiring diagram. You may wish to install a Modern solid state reversing unit, rather than the old style mechanical rotating drum.

Various S sites offer wiring diagrams and S replacement parts, such as Doug Peck,SnS and others.

Peter Loeb

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46111 From: bud9351 Date: 12/9/2007
Subject: AF track cleaning car
Hi guys,
Have a question that hoping someone here can answer. Are the short
single dome tanks that came on the AF depressed center track cleaning
car available as a "part" Or even better yet are they made as
aftermarket parts such as the cement canisters are?
Thanks,
Bud Rindfleisch
Group: S-Trains Message: 46112 From: charlie and edith Date: 12/9/2007
Subject: Re: How To? Decal removal...
Greetings! I used transparent tape to remove the decals from my 370. As the tape is transparent you can see what is happening. The paint was not harmed, though there was a difference in paint color under the decals. This helped locate the new decals .... but a pattern of original decal location was very helpful. Trimming the new decals was probably the hardest part of the whole process. Let us know how it works out. Good luck and best wishes, Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: gettysburg9
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 5:06 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] How To? Decal removal...


I have a 370 GP-7. What would be the best way to remove the old decals
without messing up the paint/plastic?





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46113 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/10/2007
Subject: Re: 466 Wiring
That is most certainly a Bridge rectifier for DC operation. It is called (I
believe) a Zenith rectifier.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46114 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 12/10/2007
Subject: Re: Last section
Hi Robert Ahrens,

Your email did not work.

I live 1 hour East of York
in Honey Brook, PA.I have
2 bumpers, 2 AF crossing
signals and a lot of AF cars
that won't fit on my layout.
Can I be of Help?

Here is my model railroad layout.
http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Ahrens" <rahrens54@...>
To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 2:22 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Last section


Michael and Linda, I would be interested in your bumpers and perhaps some of
your turnouts

You have to get rid of. I am in the process of constructing an AF layout
using AF track and 3 foot

Flex track combination. I need some bumpers for my yard and spurs.let me
know off list if you would.

Rahrens54@comcast .net and I live 5 miles north of York.



_____

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 6:31 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Last section



Thanks Bull.

Thanks for telling me about your train experience.

I have been careful with clearances, etc.

I think I got the dual curves far apart.

I will make sure the accessories are not going to be hit by anything.

The one thing I need to do, for the cattle loader, is have the track rise up
and down a bit, going through the loader, or cut down the metal for the trip
unit on the cattle car. The track is a bit lower that the typical AF.

Oh, looking at the AF track vs. the American S Gauge track. The ASG track
looks wonderful. I was torn in not using the old AF track, but the
appearance and the connectivity (electrical) is so superior. Now I have a
ton of AF track, switches and bumpers to get rid of!

Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 46115 From: George Cohn Date: 12/10/2007
Subject: Re: 466 Wiring
boss31@... wrote:
>
>
> That is most certainly a Bridge rectifier for DC operation. It is called (I
> believe) a Zenith rectifier.

Actually I think the term you are looking for is Selenium rectifier.
They were made of square plates about an inch square and usually had a
stack of about six.

As an old electronics guy, I saw a lot of them in the late '50's and
early '60's. They were replaced by the more efficient silicon rectifier
diodes if they failed.

Also, when they failed and smoked, they smelled awful! Sort of a
burning egg smell. I believe the smoke was toxic as selenium is a
poison. They were not as efficient as the later silicon diode either.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 46116 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/10/2007
Subject: Re: 466 Wiring
Jim-

The device is a rectifier stack from the fifties or
sixties and makes this a dc locomotive. This can be
replaced with a normal reverse unit or one of the
newer solid state reverse units as you desire for your
operations.

Bill Drake
ee_train - electrical engineer _ train
--- James Hannawald <jhannawald@...> wrote:

> Peter,
>
> I believe you are right, I was beginning to suspect
> that it was meant for DC operation but wasn't sure.
> The dealer I got it from was trying to test it on AC
> most of the morning at a train show where I was
> running my demo layout. He gave up and then told
> people it doesn't run.
>
> I posted a couple of pictures at
>
>
http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/Jim+Hannawald/DSCN1686.JPG.html
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Trains
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 466 Wiring
>
>
> In reference to strange electrical object in 466
> diesel.
>
> A photo is always helpfull in describing an
> item...from what you have described ...it sounds
> like an old 50's style silicone rectifier-before
> solid state stuff was common. This would have been
> done to convert an AC engine/motor to run on DC. The
> advantages of DC are smoother/quiter operation, and
> no troublesome buzzing reverse unit needed, as
> direction is controlled by flipping a DPDT toggle
> switch. The rectifier is wired in where a reverse
> unit would have been, wiring diagrams to acomplish
> this are readily available. NEW modern efficient
> rectifiers (replace the old inefficient silicone
> rectifier) can be found at your local Radio Shack or
> similar store. Look for a Full Bridge rectifier with
> min. 12v and 50PIV at 5 Amps or better rating. These
> are usually in a rectangular shape about 1/2"-3/4"
> square and with four leads that are marked. This
> will easily fit inside your diesel. By the way, an
> AC motor will run on DC, as the filed windings are
> what generate the magnetic field. The reverse is not
> true as aDC motor uses a magnet to generate the
> magnetic field and would be destoyed by AC.
>
> If you want to "restore" to AC operation, replace
> with an apropriate reverse unit and rewire based on
> wiring diagram. You may wish to install a Modern
> solid state reversing unit, rather than the old
> style mechanical rotating drum.
>
> Various S sites offer wiring diagrams and S
> replacement parts, such as Doug Peck,SnS and others.
>
> Peter Loeb
>
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>
>
>
>
>
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>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46117 From: Bruce Papky Date: 12/10/2007
Subject: Re: How To? Decal Remover...
How To? Decal removal...
Posted by: "gettysburg9" gettysburg@... gettysburg9
Sun Dec 9, 2007 2:58 pm (PST)
I have a 370 GP-7. What would be the best way to remove the old decals
without messing up the paint/plastic?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hello,

I have used Testor's ELO (Easy Lift Off) Paint and Decal Remover on several projects with great success. And it is safe to use on most painted surfaces. I believe Doug Peck carries this product.

Bruce

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46118 From: Rhett George Date: 12/10/2007
Subject: Wiring a 324AC Hudson
- GreetingS -

Thank goodness the good wife is into quilting. Anytime I think mix and
match AF loco and tender wiring is challenging, I look to see what is
going on in the quilting world. Generally we have it easy in the AF
world. Separate the loco and tender. Turn the loco up-side-down so
that you have a good view of the wiring on the backside of the connector
under the cab roof. If it is a 5-wire system, ignore the wire to the
riveto The two wires from the field coil came from the factory covered
with slip-on insulation (appearance is black linen weave). These two
go to the two lower sockets (further below the cab roof), to the two
sockets closest to the center, or the two closest to the cab windows.

By contrast, the leads to the brushes have smooth plastic insulation
applied when wire was made and the wire is stranded. These two go to
the other two sockets of the connector. These leads are also easily
recognized in good lighting. Tenders from the first group, leads to
the two lower sockets cannot be directly swapped with the second and
third groups.

The condition is that in the tender the fingers riding on the full copper
rings go to the field leads and the centered fingers on the segmented
part of the reverser drum go to the brush leads.

Three locos, Atlantic, K-5, and a Northern stand out in my memory due
to a ghastly attempt at tender rewiring - and getting it wrong. The
Northern has to get a new armature and straightened out tender wiring.
The Atlantic had so much excess wiring piled into the tender that it
was all pulled out and then rewired. Happily it had not been forced
to run long as a shunt motor (10 A, no torque). Rewired to be a series
motor produced a fine running Atlantic (1.7 A, plenty of torque) and
the field coil survived with no calamity. The K-5 suffered a tender
rewiring at the hands of someone who thought more wire was better. This
one looked like a bad case of tender swapping between tenders that weren't
swappable without changing the tender from the second group to the first
group. Clues abounded since the K-5 had SIB and the tender had CKC and
an Erie logo.

Advice? Don't force the loco to draw huge amps unless your train room
is terribly cold. Don't do it then, go buy a heater. Take a look and
see how chopped on the tender wiring may be.

If more info about the Hudson is needed, I'll be pleased to look at mine.

CheerS,

Ammeter Rhett
Group: S-Trains Message: 46119 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/10/2007
Subject: Re: Last section
Hi Robert,

I just got back from Lancaster and I do have lots of bumpers and turnouts.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Ahrens" <rahrens54@...>
To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 2:22 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Last section


Michael and Linda, I would be interested in your bumpers and perhaps some of
your turnouts

You have to get rid of. I am in the process of constructing an AF layout
using AF track and 3 foot

Flex track combination. I need some bumpers for my yard and spurs…let me
know off list if you would.

Rahrens54@comcast .net and I live 5 miles north of York…

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46120 From: beebear Date: 12/10/2007
Subject: New Program
Hello All

I am starting to work on a train inventory program to keep track of my rolling stock as
I prepare to move everything into my new garage next year. I want to make sure I get
everything documented for insurance purposes.

I know there are several out there but they don't seem to have what I'm looking for.
If any of you have ideas on what should go into this type of program and maybe
ideas on how it should look, please pass them along. As the program progresses
I will need some beta testers and bug reporters. Any and all ideas are welcome.

Thank you

John Frankforther

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46121 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/10/2007
Subject: Re: The Center
Thanks Jim, as I do have that need website on my Baseball favorites.

I meant I wish someone could tell me if there was a replica of Griffith Stadium somewhere on a layout.

I did see the Ball park in Lancaster PA today, as well as in York, PA last October. Beautiful parks for a independent league.

Mike Marmer

----- Original Message -----
From: James Hannawald
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Center


Mike,

You might try this site http://www.ballparks.com/baseball/american/griffi.htm for the layout, I know you have been there in the past

Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael and Linda Marmer
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Toy Trains ; Ralph Loveless ; Jeff Snell ; steve.conard@... ; cookie flannery ; Jeanette Ryba
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 8:36 PM
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] The Center

Oh Great, Crosely Field in Cincinnati on a layout!

Forbes Field in Pittsburgh on a layout!

I wish someone can tell where is Griffith Stadium in DC might be?

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: mlmarmer@...
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 5:56 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Center

Dear Mike,
You and Linda need to trek to Cincinnati and see the S Gauge layout at the Union Terminal. They have a model of Crosely field (sp?) where the Red plays (I think). It has lights with a 8 minute day/light cycle. If I remember correctly, from the viewing side, the fans are S scale, but as you move to the field, the players are HO and then the fans on the opposite side are N scale. Very effective. The 5 S gauge layouts cost over 2 millions dollars and each one depicts another part of Cincinnati 10 years apart. Starting from 1900 (all horses and steam engines) to 1940s with the early diesels.
Best,
Don

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

Linda and I were thinking of what to put in the center where the pop up is.

Well, we both had the same idea.

A baseball field, as since this is close to the 1950's and I will have the industrial sawmill company along with the companies of baggage loader, cow loader, barrel unloader, these companies will have baseball teams just like in the 1950's.

It will be very easy to do the field with white baselines, bases, some dugouts, like the Whistle stop buildings, some bleachers and a fence, that will have advertising on it. Some of the repro signs for the Whistle stop and the newsstands will be great, as Linda said a repro Branford Diner sign will work too.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46122 From: Trains Date: 12/10/2007
Subject: Re: 466 Wiring
Hi Bill and everyone else...the best of seasons greatings and a trully great new year from us in southern Oregon, Peter

Re: the 466...the photo clearly shows a 50's vintage rectifier, and a nice installation job. If you want to run on DC, I suggest replacing the old rectifier with a new solid state full bridge rectifier as previously stated. It can be mounted to the same brass bracket shown in photo. If you want to convert back to AC, use a wiring diagram to help and install an original style mechanical reverse in holes provided in floor...or ( better) a new solid state electronic reverse available from various S sources. If you install a new electronic reverse, be sure to isolate it electrically from any metal in engine ,usually a strip of double stick foam mounting tape will do the job. Peter



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46123 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 12/11/2007
Subject: (no subject)
Posted by: "beebear" beebear@... johntech2004
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:33 pm ((PST))

Hello All

I am starting to work on a train inventory program to keep track of my
rolling stock as
I prepare to move everything into my new garage next year. I want to make
sure I get
everything documented for insurance purposes.

I know there are several out there but they don't seem to have what I'm
looking for.
If any of you have ideas on what should go into this type of program and
maybe
ideas on how it should look, please pass them along. As the program
progresses
I will need some beta testers and bug reporters. Any and all ideas are
welcome.

Thank you

John Frankforther

REPLY

BeeBear: There are a lot of electronic programs out there, BUT I prefer
a simple card file. I put a small " AVERY " self-adhesive 1/4" dia. on
the bottom of the wheel truck. The # I put on the car matches a # in
my 3' x 5" card file. Write ant information you want on the card. I put
the # in the top left corner of the card and the car or loco. # on the
top right corner. File the cards by either #. Recently I put my list on
a computer to sort by either # and print the lists. BUT, I keep the file
cards and the accurate master list. I don't have much faith in computers.
Jerry HR 77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 46124 From: Al Baker Date: 12/11/2007
Subject: Re: New Program
Hi John,
I use Microsoft Excel spreadsheet to keep track. It works quite
good. I have a different workbook for various categories like
engines, cars, accessories, etc. You can have an unlimited amount of
info about each item, and it is so easy to add or delete info. Once
a year I print it out and send it to my insurance company.

Al Baker
Portland, OR


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "beebear" <beebear@...> wrote:
>
> Hello All
>
> I am starting to work on a train inventory program to keep track of
my rolling stock as
> I prepare to move everything into my new garage next year. I want
to make sure I get
> everything documented for insurance purposes.
>
> I know there are several out there but they don't seem to have what
I'm looking for.
> If any of you have ideas on what should go into this type of
program and maybe
> ideas on how it should look, please pass them along. As the program
progresses
> I will need some beta testers and bug reporters. Any and all ideas
are welcome.
>
> Thank you
>
> John Frankforther
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46125 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/11/2007
Subject: Lancaster, PA trip
Friday morning, Linda and I, left for Lancaster, which was to be a train weekend of real trains, the hobby and walking a new rail trail near Middletown, PA.

Well, we left Germantown, MD at 10 am and it is was a bit of freezing rain, as the forecast was to be a weekend in the 50's and sunny. That did not turn out as it was in the 30's and 40's damp, overcast and periods of rain.

We stopped at Elizabethtown, PA on the way to Lancaster, where one of the rail trails was and went to Barry Train's, a shop we never been to. A nice shoppe, as the had only 7 left out of 200 reproductions of Plasticville phone booths, which where made 15 years ago. They look so close to being the real thing. We got 6 of them for $5 each, so our dollar cost average for the 9 we got in 1994 at $35 each, as that is what the market was going for at that time is now $23. LOL

Then we stopped at the Strasburg RR shop and got 4 S Helper Coal cars, as 3 where on close out. Linda was wondering if they re-stocked the S Scale cats, since they only had one set left, when she got a set of 2 in October. Well, that same set of two from October was still there, as they did not restock. So we got those too. I guess there is not a big demand for S scale cats! Also at the Strasburg shop I picked up a Lehigh Valley Models S scale water tower for the layout that will fit perfect by the RR station on my layout. This might be more of a change than the billboard and telephone poles I made.

We checked into the Best Western in Paradise, PA, a few miles east of Lancaster on US 30, as that is a favorite hotel. We have been to Lancaster in December many times, as the last time was in 2004, as we saw the same man who really looks like Santa Claus, with Mrs. Claus. I was told he plays Santa at the Strasburg RR.

We had dinner at the Revere Tavern at the hotel.

Saturday, Glenn Ritter, a TCA member and a S List member told me about a AF layout at a market in Gap, PA., which is not too far from Paradise, so we went there, where we saw Jim Lyle, Charlie, Dave and a few others running the layout. The town has a real neat looking old water tower. The layout was nicely down in the lobby of a grocery store, Dutch Market. They did a nice job on it, as I was told this is their fifth year there. I am sorry that I missed Glenn.

We then went back to the Strasburg RR shop to picked another coal car, that made it 4, as we got 3 on Friday. We then went out to Manheim, PA as we read that some market had a train layout. We got there as it was like farm buildings that had vendors in them. We only saw a simple circle of HO track with a train on it. Not much of a layout, as we could not find anything else. Not a very big place.

We had lunch at Isaac's and went to Bob Board's All Aboard AF layout, where we saw one of his cats, one of many, go on to the cover of the swimming pool for some water. His AF layout is 880 square feet. Nicely done. We got two more S Helper coal cars, as now I have a string of 7 S helper coal cars for the layout.

By then it was just about 4 pm as we headed back to the hotel for showers, as we had dinner reservations at the Greenfield Inn. Great dinner.

Sunday, a bit rainy and cold, we had tickets for a train ride in Middletown on the Middletown and Hummelstown RR, as it was a Santa Train. The ride was 1 hour and 30 minutes along a river which had a canal at one time. There is still a canal lock. They had a guy on a accordion singing Christmas Songs, as Santa gave out things to the kids. The train yard had a ton of old passenger, trolley and freight cars.

Then Santa and the Accordion guy sang as a duet. Not like the Smother's brothers however. We got a lump of coal from the grounds.

We then headed back to Lancaster, as we went to the TCA museum and to the Strasburg RR. We got many pictures of that train coming and going. One picture is at the crossing near the TCA museum, as a Amish buggy ran the blinking RR warning crossing arm.

The station was dressed up for the holidays, including a Christmas tree on the life size water tower.

They had a miniature train ride, that we never seen before, but I was told they had it all the time. The train was made by the Cagney company that was from the 1880's to the 1920's. A steam power loco with passenger cars. The track is 16 inches apart. They also had a hand car ride!

Had dinner at the tavern.

Monday, day to go home, we stop at the new ballpark in Lancaster, as this stadium could be in the AAA league. Lancaster has a independent team, that is in the same league with York, Aberdeen, MD and Brooklyn NY as well as many other towns. York and Lancaster have two really nice ballparks.

Made a stop at Lititz at the Wilbur Chocolate plant for things.

Due to the weather, we did not get to walk any rail trails, but hope to be back next year maybe for a baseball game.

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46126 From: Robert Graves Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Five NIB Flyonel freight cars for sale
#48621 CN COVERED HOPPER
It is new in the original box. All steps are there, and both couplers work fine.
My 2006 Greenberg lists it at $48.

#48404 U.S. ARMY TANK CAR
It is new in the original box. All steps are there, and both couplers work fine.
My 2006 Greenberg lists it at $36.


#48330 Tuscan Pennsylvania boxcar made in 1997.
It is new in the original box. Both doors and nibs are there, and both couplers work fine.
My 2006 Greenberg lists it at $38 and TrainTracker at $40.

#48814 Fruit Growers Express made in 2006.
It is new in the original box, which is just as mint as the car.
Both doors and nibs are there, and both couplers work fine.
The Lionel catalog lists it at $54.99.

#48702 Wabash Caboose made in 1988.
It was part of the Historic American Railroads #6 (HAR#6) Wabash Freight Set.
It is new in the original box. Understandably, the cellophane window in the box has some dimpling,
but the box is otherwise in new condition; remarkable for a 1988 car!
Greenberg lists it at $33 and TrainTracker at $38.

If you are interested in buying an item shown here, or in trading for something on my Wish List, email me: theupstairstrain@...

Shipping cost will be actual cost, and I will happily ship items together to minimize shipping costs. I accept PayPal, personal and bank checks, and money orders.

Bob


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46127 From: John Stevens Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Newby question
So, a few years ago I got the wife a train set to match her birth
year. We won't go there. Anyway, it's been on display since. Just
decided to hook it up for Christmas. It's a #293 loco. Just tried a
circl with the loco and caboose. Right now I have a 1 1/2B [but have
a #4B on standby.
Question - track connection is base to base; but where does the other
wire go on the transformer 7-15V or 15V?
Also, got it working with the 1 1/2B for a few seconds. Didn't even
make it around once. I am getting some sparks from the rear wheels on
the caboose just before it stops.
Also, where is reverse? It starts up fwd once, then reverse. Sorry,
no manual or instructions here.
Maybe get it running before she gets home tonight.
Thanks
Jay
Group: S-Trains Message: 46128 From: frank emiro Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: Newby question
Use 7-15 ! ! If you put it 15, the train will take off with no speed control except high.

John Stevens <jaay_st@...> wrote: So, a few years ago I got the wife a train set to match her birth
year. We won't go there. Anyway, it's been on display since. Just
decided to hook it up for Christmas. It's a #293 loco. Just tried a
circl with the loco and caboose. Right now I have a 1 1/2B [but have
a #4B on standby.
Question - track connection is base to base; but where does the other
wire go on the transformer 7-15V or 15V?
Also, got it working with the 1 1/2B for a few seconds. Didn't even
make it around once. I am getting some sparks from the rear wheels on
the caboose just before it stops.
Also, where is reverse? It starts up fwd once, then reverse. Sorry,
no manual or instructions here.
Maybe get it running before she gets home tonight.
Thanks
Jay







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Group: S-Trains Message: 46129 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: Newby question
Hi Jay,



Clean the track. There are many opinions in this subject. I prefer the
'rubber eraser' type cleaners available from hobby shops. The green side of
the abrasive sponges is also good. Avoid steel wool since it leaves fine
strands and particles of conductive metal in bad places.



Clean the contact wheels on the tender. They should look like metal on one
side.



The reversing unit is built into the tender. It works like a ball point pen:
click once to forward, click again to neutral, click again to reverse, click
again to neutral. The next click is forward and that is the complete cycle.
Some tenders have a lockout lever on the bottom to keep the mechanical
reversing gadget from cycling. That will lock it in just one of the states
in case you want it that way. Some reversing units get sticky and may need
to be cleaned. Lubrication is tricky. Oil is an insulator and will attract
dust and gunk. Graphite does not insulate, but, too much or some in the
wrong place can short the reversing unit contacts.



Like a piano, these trains work best when played regularly. Once it runs
around the loop, let it make a couple of dozen orbits to loosen things up.
If the lubrication in the motor and gears is old and hard, it will work
better when warm. So, run it for a few more orbits a few minutes before she
gets home to get it ready for a performance.



Good Luck,

Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Stevens
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:56 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Newby question



So, a few years ago I got the wife a train set to match her birth
year. We won't go there. Anyway, it's been on display since. Just
decided to hook it up for Christmas. It's a #293 loco. Just tried a
circl with the loco and caboose. Right now I have a 1 1/2B [but have
a #4B on standby.
Question - track connection is base to base; but where does the other
wire go on the transformer 7-15V or 15V?
Also, got it working with the 1 1/2B for a few seconds. Didn't even
make it around once. I am getting some sparks from the rear wheels on
the caboose just before it stops.
Also, where is reverse? It starts up fwd once, then reverse. Sorry,
no manual or instructions here.
Maybe get it running before she gets home tonight.
Thanks
Jay

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46130 From: jimensign50@comcast.net Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: Newby question
Hi John -

You want to hook the other lead to the 7-15 volt variable terminal for your train. This will let you control the speed by controlling the voltage to it. The other terminal puts out a constant 15 volts all the time. It's used to power your accessories.

If your caboose wheels are sparking, I would assume your caboose is lighted (Not all are.) The problem may be simply that the wheels need cleaning. If you look at the wheels and axles on the caboose, you will see that one side has metal wheels and one side has plastic wheels. Clean the metal wheels with a fine emory cloth or solvent. Also, make sure that all the metal wheels are on one side, i.e. all on the right side or all on the left side. I've run into several instances where people unknowingly put the wheels/axles back in on a used car and don't think about it. You may still see some sparking even after you get the wheels all cleaned up. That's not uncommon for any of the wheels that are picking up the power, whether it be on the tender, a lighted caboose or a lighted passenger car, etc.. Serious sparking would make me take a look at whether or not all the metal wheels are on the same side. I don't believe the 1 1/2 has a circuit breaker and if one of the wheels was
installed incorrectly, it would trip a transformer with circuit breaker protection.

Your reverse unit is in the tender and should work in a sequence of forward-neutral-reverse-neutral.
With your 1 1/2 transformer, you must turn the handle all the way off to sequence the unit. For instance, if you get it to run forward, you should be able to turn the handle all the way off and then back on to get into neutral, then all the yay back off and back on to go into reverse. The old Flyer reverse units (commonly called "e" units or e-units) can sometimes get sticky and not want to cycle correctly. If that's the case you might want to take it to a shop to get it cleaned, or if your adventurous and mechanically inclined you can learn to clean them yourself. They are pretty simple mechanisms if you study them and figure out how they work.

Good luck. You chose a good engine - the 290 series are workhorses. Or maybe your wife just chose a good year to be born.

Jim E.
(Shoveling snow in Colorado)



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From: John Stevens <jaay_st@...>
So, a few years ago I got the wife a train set to match her birth
year. We won't go there. Anyway, it's been on display since. Just
decided to hook it up for Christmas. It's a #293 loco. Just tried a
circl with the loco and caboose. Right now I have a 1 1/2B [but have
a #4B on standby.
Question - track connection is base to base; but where does the other
wire go on the transformer 7-15V or 15V?
Also, got it working with the 1 1/2B for a few seconds. Didn't even
make it around once. I am getting some sparks from the rear wheels on
the caboose just before it stops.
Also, where is reverse? It starts up fwd once, then reverse. Sorry,
no manual or instructions here.
Maybe get it running before she gets home tonight.
Thanks
Jay



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46131 From: jaay_st Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: Newby question
Well, it's running good. Have the Christmas cars and caboose [lighted] on it. Still can't
figure how that lever works under the tender. It controls fwd/rev; but just seems so
random.
Anyone know about smoke on the 293? Can I put the liquid in the stack [it has a red light
in it]? How about a whistle?
Jay


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, John Stevens <jaay_st@...> wrote:
>
> So, a few years ago I got the wife a train set to match her birth
> year. We won't go there. Anyway, it's been on display since. Just
> decided to hook it up for Christmas. It's a #293 loco. Just tried a
> circl with the loco and caboose. Right now I have a 1 1/2B [but have
> a #4B on standby.
> Question - track connection is base to base; but where does the other
> wire go on the transformer 7-15V or 15V?
> Also, got it working with the 1 1/2B for a few seconds. Didn't even
> make it around once. I am getting some sparks from the rear wheels on
> the caboose just before it stops.
> Also, where is reverse? It starts up fwd once, then reverse. Sorry,
> no manual or instructions here.
> Maybe get it running before she gets home tonight.
> Thanks
> Jay
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46132 From: jaay_st Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: Newby question
OK! Got it running. Changed the track to nice bright & shiny pieces. Got it in reverse now;
that's what it was in when she started, so i'm letting her go around backwards to warm up
all the moving parts.
All I could find for a control on the tender was a lever on the bottom, is this the
revers/fwd?
Now on to another - the smoke stack has a red light in it which is on [along with the
headlight]. Can this make smoke? Can I use the liquid smoke in the stack?
Oh, yeah, makes a nice chugging sound. Cool
Thanks all.
Jay
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jimensign50@... wrote:
>
> Hi John -
>
> You want to hook the other lead to the 7-15 volt variable terminal for your train. This
will let you control the speed by controlling the voltage to it. The other terminal puts out
a constant 15 volts all the time. It's used to power your accessories.
>
> If your caboose wheels are sparking, I would assume your caboose is lighted (Not all
are.) The problem may be simply that the wheels need cleaning. If you look at the wheels
and axles on the caboose, you will see that one side has metal wheels and one side has
plastic wheels. Clean the metal wheels with a fine emory cloth or solvent. Also, make sure
that all the metal wheels are on one side, i.e. all on the right side or all on the left side.
I've run into several instances where people unknowingly put the wheels/axles back in on
a used car and don't think about it. You may still see some sparking even after you get
the wheels all cleaned up. That's not uncommon for any of the wheels that are picking up
the power, whether it be on the tender, a lighted caboose or a lighted passenger car, etc..
Serious sparking would make me take a look at whether or not all the metal wheels are on
the same side. I don't believe the 1 1/2 has a circuit breaker and if one of the wheels was
> installed incorrectly, it would trip a transformer with circuit breaker protection.
>
> Your reverse unit is in the tender and should work in a sequence of forward-neutral-
reverse-neutral.
> With your 1 1/2 transformer, you must turn the handle all the way off to sequence the
unit. For instance, if you get it to run forward, you should be able to turn the handle all
the way off and then back on to get into neutral, then all the yay back off and back on to
go into reverse. The old Flyer reverse units (commonly called "e" units or e-units) can
sometimes get sticky and not want to cycle correctly. If that's the case you might want to
take it to a shop to get it cleaned, or if your adventurous and mechanically inclined you
can learn to clean them yourself. They are pretty simple mechanisms if you study them
and figure out how they work.
>
> Good luck. You chose a good engine - the 290 series are workhorses. Or maybe your
wife just chose a good year to be born.
>
> Jim E.
> (Shoveling snow in Colorado)
>
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: John Stevens <jaay_st@...>
> So, a few years ago I got the wife a train set to match her birth
> year. We won't go there. Anyway, it's been on display since. Just
> decided to hook it up for Christmas. It's a #293 loco. Just tried a
> circl with the loco and caboose. Right now I have a 1 1/2B [but have
> a #4B on standby.
> Question - track connection is base to base; but where does the other
> wire go on the transformer 7-15V or 15V?
> Also, got it working with the 1 1/2B for a few seconds. Didn't even
> make it around once. I am getting some sparks from the rear wheels on
> the caboose just before it stops.
> Also, where is reverse? It starts up fwd once, then reverse. Sorry,
> no manual or instructions here.
> Maybe get it running before she gets home tonight.
> Thanks
> Jay
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46133 From: Jim Hare Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Newby question
As I have been working with my dad's AF that have not run in 30+ years,
I had some similar issues. First, I cleaned the tracks by a light
rubbing of #50 emery cloth. I then wiped it down with CRC electrical
grade spray. The loco, #21160, needed some cleaning as well. Just used
the CRC spray and Q-Tips on the reverse unit and the fingers. I had to
remove the fiber boards and put a new SLIGHT bend on the contacts. Also
did the same to the wheel contact springs. I carefully pried the wheels
out of the trucks to clean the contacts and another slight bend to
ensure contact to the axles. Finally, I pulled the brushes and springs
from the rear of the loco, and removed any buildup off the brushes. My
#303 is still having issues and the #285 and #356 need major
overhauling, so probably after Christmas they will be up, with the help
of Doug at Portlines :-D

Jim

John Stevens wrote:
>
> So, a few years ago I got the wife a train set to match her birth
> year. We won't go there. Anyway, it's been on display since. Just
> decided to hook it up for Christmas. It's a #293 loco. Just tried a
> circl with the loco and caboose. Right now I have a 1 1/2B [but have
> a #4B on standby.
> Question - track connection is base to base; but where does the other
> wire go on the transformer 7-15V or 15V?
> Also, got it working with the 1 1/2B for a few seconds. Didn't even
> make it around once. I am getting some sparks from the rear wheels on
> the caboose just before it stops.
> Also, where is reverse? It starts up fwd once, then reverse. Sorry,
> no manual or instructions here.
> Maybe get it running before she gets home tonight.
> Thanks
> Jay
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46134 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: Newby question
Jay: I know it's 1955-that's when I got my 293. 1) take the caboose off. 2) make sure you've got smoke fluid in the smoker. 3) 7-15 side. That's the Variable post. The 19 post is fixed voltage, for switches or other accessories. Sounds like you have a dirty e-unit, 293 locos should have a 3-position (forward,neutral, reverse, neutral, forward progression. Get some PLASTIC SAFE switch cleaner at Radio Shack, remove the tender shell (4 screws on bottom. Spray the drum and fingers lightly with the cleaner.get a couple of books, or 4-6" pcs. of 2x4-one under the "cowcatcher", one supporting the truck under the cab and front tender truck, one under rear tender truck. Attach one wire to an axle on the front tender truck, other lead on rear tender truck. Now crank the trans from 0 to full and back, not too quickly. Spray a little switch cleaner on the e-unit drum between cycles, usually this'll get the unit free. You might want to put a drop of oil on each driver axle bushing,
truck axles, and LIGHTLY the crankpins and slide of the linkage. Look at the wheels of the caboose (I assume it's illuminated). When the caboose is placed on either side, chassis facing you, the metal wheels should be on the "up" side on the left, on the down side right. Make sure the tender has its wheels oriented the same way. Frequently the truck rivet insulator has perished, and shorts the truck rivet to the chassis. If this is what's up with your caboose, it's a 50 cent fix. You should take the boiler off the loco, loosen the 2 screws that hold the rear bell of the motor, SLOWLY remove the bell-the brushes and their springs are what you want to be careful with so you do not have them fly off into another dimension!!. Polish the commutator, clean the grooves (are 3) with a toothpick, lightly grease the worm gear and "screw" the armature back into the frame. Clean the brushes and springs in Ronsonol, clean the brush tubes ID with q-tip/Ronsonol, replace the end bell,
and a drop of oil on the felt wick that's between the brush tubes. Clean both metal wheel sets on the tender the same way. You should have a good runner, barring any wiring loom problems. IT'S EASIER THAN IT SOUNDS!!! Oh yeah-welcome!-John Marganski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46135 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: Newby question
It is not forward-reverse. That lever locks the reversing unit in the
current state: Forward, Neutral after forward, Reverse or Neutral after
reverse.



Some folks like to keep their locos running forward all the time. That is
good for operation and forgiving of dirty spots on track or switches. I have
a friend for whom I built a set of relay boards. They sense a train in one
block of track and turn the power off to the block behind. That allows him
to run two trains on the same loop with nary a crash.



Enjoy,

Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of jaay_st
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:54 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Newby question



OK! Got it running. Changed the track to nice bright & shiny pieces. Got it
in reverse now;
that's what it was in when she started, so i'm letting her go around
backwards to warm up
all the moving parts.
All I could find for a control on the tender was a lever on the bottom, is
this the
revers/fwd?
Now on to another - the smoke stack has a red light in it which is on [along
with the
headlight]. Can this make smoke? Can I use the liquid smoke in the stack?
Oh, yeah, makes a nice chugging sound. Cool
Thanks all.
Jay
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroup <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> s.com,
jimensign50@... wrote:
>
> Hi John -
>
> You want to hook the other lead to the 7-15 volt variable terminal for
your train. This
will let you control the speed by controlling the voltage to it. The other
terminal puts out
a constant 15 volts all the time. It's used to power your accessories.
>
> If your caboose wheels are sparking, I would assume your caboose is
lighted (Not all
are.) The problem may be simply that the wheels need cleaning. If you look
at the wheels
and axles on the caboose, you will see that one side has metal wheels and
one side has
plastic wheels. Clean the metal wheels with a fine emory cloth or solvent.
Also, make sure
that all the metal wheels are on one side, i.e. all on the right side or all
on the left side.
I've run into several instances where people unknowingly put the
wheels/axles back in on
a used car and don't think about it. You may still see some sparking even
after you get
the wheels all cleaned up. That's not uncommon for any of the wheels that
are picking up
the power, whether it be on the tender, a lighted caboose or a lighted
passenger car, etc..
Serious sparking would make me take a look at whether or not all the metal
wheels are on
the same side. I don't believe the 1 1/2 has a circuit breaker and if one of
the wheels was
> installed incorrectly, it would trip a transformer with circuit breaker
protection.
>
> Your reverse unit is in the tender and should work in a sequence of
forward-neutral-
reverse-neutral.
> With your 1 1/2 transformer, you must turn the handle all the way off to
sequence the
unit. For instance, if you get it to run forward, you should be able to turn
the handle all
the way off and then back on to get into neutral, then all the yay back off
and back on to
go into reverse. The old Flyer reverse units (commonly called "e" units or
e-units) can
sometimes get sticky and not want to cycle correctly. If that's the case you
might want to
take it to a shop to get it cleaned, or if your adventurous and mechanically
inclined you
can learn to clean them yourself. They are pretty simple mechanisms if you
study them
and figure out how they work.
>
> Good luck. You chose a good engine - the 290 series are workhorses. Or
maybe your
wife just chose a good year to be born.
>
> Jim E.
> (Shoveling snow in Colorado)
>
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: John Stevens <jaay_st@...>
> So, a few years ago I got the wife a train set to match her birth
> year. We won't go there. Anyway, it's been on display since. Just
> decided to hook it up for Christmas. It's a #293 loco. Just tried a
> circl with the loco and caboose. Right now I have a 1 1/2B [but have
> a #4B on standby.
> Question - track connection is base to base; but where does the other
> wire go on the transformer 7-15V or 15V?
> Also, got it working with the 1 1/2B for a few seconds. Didn't even
> make it around once. I am getting some sparks from the rear wheels on
> the caboose just before it stops.
> Also, where is reverse? It starts up fwd once, then reverse. Sorry,
> no manual or instructions here.
> Maybe get it running before she gets home tonight.
> Thanks
> Jay
>
>
> _,_._,___



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46136 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: Newby question
Jay-the lever on the bottom of the tender is the e-unit ON/e-unit LOCKED selector. Move it to the opposite extreme and see what happens-if you've been a good boy, Santa put it into reverse-locked p[osition and it'll go chuffing along on its merry way. Any liquid smoke will work. I've found that current Lionel smoke seems to loosen/clean deposits on Flyer smoke wicks, downside is the L smoke smells bad. Super Smoke from Doug will be the closest you'll get to original ACG.-John Marganski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46137 From: John Stevens Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re my newby question
Up and running thanks to all of you.

Still not sure what the lever on the bottom of the tender does. Got
it to go between fwd/rev using the throttle start stop method.

Now on to another - the smoke stack has a red light in it which is on
[along with the
headlight]. Can this make smoke? Can I use the liquid smoke in the
stack?
Oh, yeah, makes a nice chugging sound. Cool
Thanks all.
Jay

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46138 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: Re my newby question
Jay-on/off with the power is how to change directions. If you have it going-and staying-in forward, turn trans off, turn on, engine should be in neutral;power off, then on-engine in reverse. Power off/on-engine in neutral. Power off/on: engine in forward. Stack has a translucent red tube, the effect is what Gilbert called "red glowing smoke. I think I sent you an e-mail to use Lionel smoke to loosen the wick, then use Super Smoke in the Gilbert scent. 293s have the smoke and headlamp on at all times; earlier 290 ans 295 variants had the headlamp extinguish when in neutral. You really should put some WD40 in the stack tube, you may be risking burning the smoke filament out.Have Fun!!-J M

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46139 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: Re my newby question
Jay,
Try my smoke fluid from Doug Peck. It will keep you from having to
use the Lionel fluid as mine will do the same & smells good too. Ask Doug for
Anormal1's Smoke Fluid. Mike



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46140 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Regarding advice on reverse unit servicing
If you want your reverse units to work properly, NEVER, repeat NEVER put any
kind of spray cleaner on them. They may work good for a short period of time
after doing so but in the long run they will just attract dirt,and grime and
congeal into a black mess with the heat created. The best thing to do is to
remove the drum and the fingers and clean them with a solvent that is
harmless to plastic, polish the drum with a 600 grit emory paper, and most
importantly clean out each of the sprocket groves with a pointed instrument being
careful not to scratch the plastic. Grease gathers in these places and help to
grab the pawl and keep it from dropping when current is released, thus failing
to cycle. Also clean the pawl with a harmless solvent. You may also have to
polish the teardrop shaped hole the pawl rides in because it can become
grooved as well. A CLEAN, DRY reverse unit will work 100 times better than a greasy
one.

Trust me on this, I have worked on several hundred of them........

Steve Blackburn
SnS Trains
Boise



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46141 From: Jim Hare Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Regarding advice on reverse unit servicing
That is why I recommend the CRC spray, I am enclosing the link. This is
what we use as field technicians with Verizon.

Jim

http://www.crcindustries.com/ei/content/prod_detail.aspx?PN=02005&S=N



boss31@... wrote:
>
> If you want your reverse units to work properly, NEVER, repeat NEVER
> put any
> kind of spray cleaner on them. They may work good for a short period
> of time
> after doing so but in the long run they will just attract dirt,and
> grime and
> congeal into a black mess with the heat created. The best thing to do
> is to
> remove the drum and the fingers and clean them with a solvent that is
> harmless to plastic, polish the drum with a 600 grit emory paper, and
> most
> importantly clean out each of the sprocket groves with a pointed
> instrument being
> careful not to scratch the plastic. Grease gathers in these places and
> help to
> grab the pawl and keep it from dropping when current is released, thus
> failing
> to cycle. Also clean the pawl with a harmless solvent. You may also
> have to
> polish the teardrop shaped hole the pawl rides in because it can become
> grooved as well. A CLEAN, DRY reverse unit will work 100 times better
> than a greasy
> one.
>
> Trust me on this, I have worked on several hundred of them........
>
> Steve Blackburn
> SnS Trains
> Boise
>
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>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46142 From: Robert Graves Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Five NIB Flyonel freight cars for sale
#48621 CN COVERED HOPPER
It is new in the original box. All steps are there, and both couplers work fine.
My 2006 Greenberg lists it at $48.

#48404 U.S. ARMY TANK CAR
It is new in the original box. All steps are there, and both couplers work fine.
My 2006 Greenberg lists it at $36.

#48330 Tuscan Pennsylvania boxcar made in 1997.
It is new in the original box. Both doors and nibs are there, and both couplers work fine.
My 2006 Greenberg lists it at $38 and TrainTracker at $40.

#48814 Fruit Growers Express made in 2006.
It is new in the original box, which is just as mint as the car.
Both doors and nibs are there, and both couplers work fine.
The Lionel catalog lists it at $54.99.

#48702 Wabash Caboose made in 1988.
It was part of the Historic American Railroads #6 (HAR#6) Wabash Freight Set.
It is new in the original box. Understandably, the cellophane window in the box has some dimpling, but the box is otherwise in new condition; remarkable for a 1988 car!
Greenberg lists it at $33 and TrainTracker at $38.

If you are interested in buying an item shown here, or in trading for something on my Wish List, email me: theupstairstrain@...

Shipping cost will be actual cost, and I will happily ship items together to minimize shipping costs. I accept PayPal, personal and bank checks, and money orders.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46143 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Regarding advice on reverse unit servicing
Take Steve's advice. The reason that many think that the 343 with Rev in the
cab are junk is that for it to work right it MUST be free of any oil or
other matter. They will work great if just cleaned & left alone. Mike in Ore



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46144 From: Mike Rosz Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] New Program
Try computer nut in California.
I got a an inventory program from them. couple of year ago.

On Mon, 10 DEC 2007 19:15:25 -0500 "bee bear" <bee bear@Berne> writes:
Hello All

I am starting to work on a train inventory program to keep track of my
rolling stock as
I prepare to move everything into my new garage next year. I want to make
sure I get
everything documented for insurance purposes.

I know there are several out there but they don't seem to have what I'm
looking for.
If any of you have ideas on what should go into this type of program and
maybe
ideas on how it should look, please pass them along. As the program
progresses
I will need some beta testers and bug reporters. Any and all ideas are
welcome.

Thank you

John Frankfort her

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46145 From: Robert Ahrens Date: 12/12/2007
Subject: Re: Re my newby question
The lever is the reverse lock-out. You can �lock out�

The reverse unit so the train doesn�t unexpectedly reverse

When it loses power as in a turnout or a section of track that is dirty,
etc.



_____

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Stevens
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:08 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re my newby question



Up and running thanks to all of you.

Still not sure what the lever on the bottom of the tender does. Got
it to go between fwd/rev using the throttle start stop method.

Now on to another - the smoke stack has a red light in it which is on
[along with the
headlight]. Can this make smoke? Can I use the liquid smoke in the
stack?
Oh, yeah, makes a nice chugging sound. Cool
Thanks all.
Jay

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46146 From: jaay_st Date: 12/13/2007
Subject: Best AF instruction book
Hi all,
Just want to take this opportunity to thank all who answered my questions yesterday. You
were all instramental in getting the old train running.
Now, maybe I can ask one more - is there a good book on setting up and wiring a train set?
Looking for that one good one that will run down wiring the set, wiring accessories, wire
sizes/type [strand or solid] and how to sequence everything?
Thanks
Jay
Group: S-Trains Message: 46147 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/13/2007
Subject: Re: Best AF instruction book
The Flyer manual is pretty good, it covers a lot of setup issues. Best most comprehensive is K-Line's reprint of that and all AF engine and accessory sheets. A lot of HO layout info is useful, as HO is also a 2 rail system. There are so many state of the art trips and actuators to replace the ACG accessories that do the same-IR sensors being about the best ( and you can buy a fairly good IR trip from Lionel). One thing that really (for me) enhances AF operation is the K-Line, and now Lionel, 54" curve track. Wow, visually and operationally it make a difference! -John Marganski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46148 From: George Cohn Date: 12/13/2007
Subject: Re: Best AF instruction book
john isn't eddie anymore wrote:
>
>
> The Flyer manual is pretty good, it covers a lot of setup issues. Best
> most comprehensive is K-Line's reprint of that and all AF engine and
> accessory sheets.

The K-Line book is out of print but http://www.hobbysurplus.com still
has them at $29.99. Their stock number is MDK 0003. Do a search for
that part number on their website. It covers all the trains and accessories.

Another great manual is from the same vendor, The "American Flyer
Factory Parts Department." This is a book they publish on all of the
locos that has many expanded views of each loco along with detailed
listings of all the parts and service instructions. Stock number CHD
B068 also at $29.99. It covers locos and tenders only.

I have both books and they will answer 99% of your questions about
original American Flyer trains and accessories.

No affiliation with the vendor, just a satisfied customer.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 46149 From: David Dewey Date: 12/13/2007
Subject: Re: Newbie Question(s)
Jay,
IF you want to take the boiler off to clean the motor and gears, FIRST
unscrew the red plastic stack insided the smoke stack, otherwise you will
break it off.
Be very carefull unscrewing screws out of the boiler, and more carefull
putting them back in, the boiler plastic has become very brittle, and WILL
crack if you force anything. When putting the screws back in, you have to
let them find the threads in the plastic, not make new ones. Gotta go to
work, lotsa people here to help you. BTW, if it's running good, I'd leave
well enough alone for now!! (IE: if it ain't broke, don't fix it!)
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 46150 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 12/13/2007
Subject: Re: Newbie Question(s) - Screw Post Repair
Jay,

If you do end up with a broken or stripped screw post in the boiler
shell, here are some photos of my repair method:

http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bull+gator/Repairs/

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> wrote:
>
> Jay,
> IF you want to take the boiler off to clean the motor and gears,
FIRST
> unscrew the red plastic stack insided the smoke stack, otherwise
you will
> break it off.
> Be very carefull unscrewing screws out of the boiler, and more
carefull
> putting them back in, the boiler plastic has become very brittle,
and WILL
> crack if you force anything. When putting the screws back in, you
have to
> let them find the threads in the plastic, not make new ones. Gotta
go to
> work, lotsa people here to help you. BTW, if it's running good,
I'd leave
> well enough alone for now!! (IE: if it ain't broke, don't fix it!)
> S'
> David D.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46151 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/13/2007
Subject: telephone poles revisted
While at the toy train museum I was looking at a O scale layout and notice that the telephone poles they had on the layout where 2.5 box cars apart.

When I got home, I took the 6 telephone poles I have from Lehigh Valley Models and put them 2.5 box cars in S apart. That looks great.

Now I got to get some more metal crossovers, as I have dowels for them and get them painted.

Oh, I got a water tower kit from LVM this weekend.

That will be a bit harder that the telephone poles and billboard I made this year. But I think I can do it.

Either it gets made to my satisfaction or it becomes a junk pile on the layout to be replaced by a cheap and easy to make Plasticville water tower!!!

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46152 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 12/13/2007
Subject: Golden Spike Arrives!
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/view/2c8d?b=62

the arrival of the golden spike on my layout.

Mike Marmer



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46153 From: Scale S Only Date: 12/13/2007
Subject: Re: Golden Spike Arrives!
Hi Mike --

Years ago (a lot) my mother gave me a real spike that was gold plated. I
guess I will have to dig it out for my golden spike ceremony, if and when it
comes! The advantages of high rail modeling sure become apparent when you
have gotten this far in a couple of months vs. several years for me and
still not all the subgrade is in...

Attached is a recent photo of part of the new SLE&P...

Merry!
Bill Winans
Prescott Valley, AZ

the arrival of the golden spike on my layout.
Mike Marmer


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46154 From: David Dewey Date: 12/14/2007
Subject: Telephone poles
Mike,
I read once where a guy used elastic string for his "telephone wire" on
his poles. Then, when reaching across the layout or other stuff, the wire
just stretches if bumped, and springs back into place! Sounded like a good
idea, as my elbows always manage to get where they're not supposed to be!
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 46155 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/14/2007
Subject: Re: Telephone poles
In a message dated 12/14/2007 9:52:02 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
djdewey@... writes:

Mike,
I read once where a guy used elastic string for his "telephone wire" on
his poles. Then, when reaching across the layout or other stuff, the wire
just stretches if bumped, and springs back into place! Sounded like a good
idea, as my elbows always manage to get where they're not supposed to be!
S'
David D.



David,

That guy were Sam and I and there is some footage of it on one of our videos.

Steve
SnS Trains
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46156 From: roy inman Date: 12/14/2007
Subject: Re: Telephone poles
And that stretch thread can be found at Wal-Mart, K-Mart or just about any
fabric store. Cheap.

I believe there is also a train supplier that offers the stuff, but don't
recall which one.

Roy Inman

From: David Dewey <djdewey@...>
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:35:35 -0800
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Telephone poles


Mike,
I read once where a guy used elastic string for his "telephone wire" on
his poles. Then, when reaching across the layout or other stuff, the wire
just stretches if bumped, and springs back into place! Sounded like a good
idea, as my elbows always manage to get where they're not supposed to be!
S'
David D.






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Group: S-Trains Message: 46157 From: roy inman Date: 12/14/2007
Subject: S Fest missing car
Has anyone heard the status of the "Humpin to Please" TOFC car from St Louis
S Fest 2007?

Or am I the only guy who ordered one who hasn't received it yet...

Roy Inman
Group: S-Trains Message: 46158 From: barb Date: 12/14/2007
Subject: Re: Telephone poles
Hi All,

The stretchy telephone wire supplier is Berkshire Junction.
However it is not cheap. Check it out at:

www.berkshirejunction.com

Barb

-----Original Message-----
>From: roy inman <rinphoto@...>
>Sent: Dec 14, 2007 12:50 PM
>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Telephone poles
>
>And that stretch thread can be found at Wal-Mart, K-Mart or just about any
>fabric store. Cheap.
>
>I believe there is also a train supplier that offers the stuff, but don't
>recall which one.
>
>Roy Inman
>
>From: David Dewey <djdewey@...>
>Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:35:35 -0800
>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [S-Trains] Telephone poles
>
>
>Mike,
>I read once where a guy used elastic string for his "telephone wire" on
>his poles. Then, when reaching across the layout or other stuff, the wire
>just stretches if bumped, and springs back into place! Sounded like a good
>idea, as my elbows always manage to get where they're not supposed to be!
>S'
>David D.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46159 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/14/2007
Subject: Re: Golden Spike Arrives!
Bill,

I am glad you still have that spike.

I think I pulled this out of a track somewhere!

I was shocked on how easy it came out.

I think it would take more that one spike to be missing to cause anything!

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Scale S Only
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Golden Spike Arrives!


Hi Mike --

Years ago (a lot) my mother gave me a real spike that was gold plated. I
guess I will have to dig it out for my golden spike ceremony, if and when it
comes! The advantages of high rail modeling sure become apparent when you
have gotten this far in a couple of months vs. several years for me and
still not all the subgrade is in...

Attached is a recent photo of part of the new SLE&P...

Merry!
Bill Winans
Prescott Valley, AZ

the arrival of the golden spike on my layout.
Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46160 From: amflyrguy Date: 12/14/2007
Subject: Enameled wire
Can anyone tell me where to buy 24 & 26 ga. enameled wire for rewiring
field coils and armatures? In Tom Barkers manual, he suggests Radio
Shack. I tried that, and they have no idea what I'm talking about. Any
help would be appreciated.
Group: S-Trains Message: 46161 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 12/14/2007
Subject: Re: Enameled wire
Hi,
Radio Shack only sells magnet wire in a 3 pack. You get 22, 26, & 30 guage. Mouser Electroonics carries magnet wire in different sizes. Here is there website. You have to buy like a 1/2 pound spool. Stuff is not cheap. Here is the website and you can do search on "magnet wire". http://www.mouser.com/index.cfm?handler=home

Hope this helps you out.


Daryl




----- Original Message -----
From: amflyrguy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 7:22 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Enameled wire


Can anyone tell me where to buy 24 & 26 ga. enameled wire for rewiring
field coils and armatures? In Tom Barkers manual, he suggests Radio
Shack. I tried that, and they have no idea what I'm talking about. Any
help would be appreciated.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46162 From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net Date: 12/14/2007
Subject: Re: S Fest missing car
Roy; I ordered one of each(TOFC & Flyonel Generator car). Gent by name of Moe Berk said I needed to send an additional $10.00 for postage which I did by check on 11/23. That was 3 weeks ago today, but haven't heard anything yet. Please keep us posted.
Thanks, Pete Henningsen, Milford, Ct.

----- Original Message -----
From: roy inman
Date: Friday, December 14, 2007 1:20 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] S Fest missing car
To: S-scale , S-Trains

> Has anyone heard the status of the "Humpin to Please" TOFC car
> from St Louis
> S Fest 2007?
>
> Or am I the only guy who ordered one who hasn't received it yet...
>
> Roy Inman
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46163 From: Jim Hare Date: 12/14/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Enameled wire
Thats because Radio Shack has become a retail electronics store, not the
store we all knew and loved

amflyrguy wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me where to buy 24 & 26 ga. enameled wire for rewiring
> field coils and armatures? In Tom Barkers manual, he suggests Radio
> Shack. I tried that, and they have no idea what I'm talking about. Any
> help would be appreciated.
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46164 From: ken_5556 Date: 12/14/2007
Subject: Re: Enameled wire
Try this link,

http://www.mcminone.com/search.asp?
keyword=magnet+wire&btnSubmit.x=11&btnSubmit.y=8

Ken




--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Daryl Olszeski" <jaytewilli@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Radio Shack only sells magnet wire in a 3 pack. You get 22, 26, &
30 guage. Mouser Electroonics carries magnet wire in different
sizes. Here is there website. You have to buy like a 1/2 pound
spool. Stuff is not cheap. Here is the website and you can do
search on "magnet wire". http://www.mouser.com/index.cfm?handler=home
>
> Hope this helps you out.
>
>
> Daryl
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: amflyrguy
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 7:22 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Enameled wire
>
>
> Can anyone tell me where to buy 24 & 26 ga. enameled wire for
rewiring
> field coils and armatures? In Tom Barkers manual, he suggests
Radio
> Shack. I tried that, and they have no idea what I'm talking
about. Any
> help would be appreciated.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46165 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/14/2007
Subject: Enameled wire
In a message dated 12/14/2007 9:19:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
k.prott@... writes:

http://www.mouser.com

SPELLING--www.mousser.com

Jim Lyle



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46166 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 12/14/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [S-Trains] Enameled wire
I have two very large spools of the wire, about 20 pounds each. Not sure of
exact size but a wire gauge or micrometer would tell you. I do not want to
burst your bubble but is not as easy as it looks, That is why I have so much
wire. I would be happy to send you some for postage. Tom



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46167 From: beebear Date: 12/15/2007
Subject: Re: Enameled wire
Yea it seems when you go into Radio Shack any more they try to sell you
cell phones, toys or some other type of electronic gagit. Electronic parts
stores are a thing of the past. Now you can only get stuff like that at the big
online stores - at least it's the way it is here in the Toledo, Ohio area
We used to have 3 places , Lifetime Electronics, Warren Radio and HeathKit that
handeled anything electronic you could think of. I still have several kits from
HeathKit I bought and built and are still working.

John

----- Original Message -----
From: amflyrguy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 7:22 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Enameled wire


Can anyone tell me where to buy 24 & 26 ga. enameled wire for rewiring
field coils and armatures? In Tom Barkers manual, he suggests Radio
Shack. I tried that, and they have no idea what I'm talking about. Any
help would be appreciated.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46168 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/15/2007
Subject: Re: MAGNET WIRE OR ENAMEL WIRE
Try this link or place for small amounts of wire. MIKE in Ore. _American
Science & Surplus : Search Results for "magnet wire"_
(http://www.sciplus.com/search.cfm)
36227 MAGNET WIRE, 16 GA $10.95 (100 FT) Out of Stock.
Check Back Soon! 22998 MAGNET WIRE, 18 GA
$7.95 (100 FT)
36228 MAGNET WIRE, 20 GA
$9.95 (200 FT)
22146 MAGNET WIRE, 21 GA
$3.95 (100 FT)
36229 MAGNET WIRE, 24 GA
$5.95 (200 FT)
36009 MAGNET WIRE, 27 GA
$3.50 (200 FT)
31276 MAGNET WIRE, 30 GA
$2.95 (200 FT)




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Group: S-Trains Message: 46169 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/15/2007
Subject: Re: ENAMLED WIRE/ MAGNET WIRE
_http://www.sciplus.com/_ (http://www.sciplus.com/) Try this site for the
wire or other neat items. Mike in Ore



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46170 From: John Metzger Date: 12/15/2007
Subject: Re: S Fest missing car
from john metzger, RN from the st louis s gauge club. ron from american models is waiting on a part from china that mounts the trailer to the flat car. nobody has gotten the car yet. that encludes the st louis club members. when the part comes in, ron will then ship the cars.


----- Original Message ----
From: roy inman <rinphoto@...>
To: S-scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 12:08:22 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] S Fest missing car

Has anyone heard the status of the "Humpin to Please" TOFC car from St Louis
S Fest 2007?

Or am I the only guy who ordered one who hasn't received it yet...

Roy Inman



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46171 From: roy inman Date: 12/15/2007
Subject: Re: S Fest missing car
Thanks John for the update :)

Will there be a shipping charge when at the outcome, beyond our original
payment for the car itself?

Roy Inman

From: John Metzger <johnm_63379@...>
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:40:30 -0800 (PST)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Fest missing car


from john metzger, RN from the st louis s gauge club. ron from american
models is waiting on a part from china that mounts the trailer to the flat
car. nobody has gotten the car yet. that encludes the st louis club
members. when the part comes in, ron will then ship the cars.

----- Original Message ----
From: roy inman <rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> >
To: S-scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com> >;
S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 12:08:22 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] S Fest missing car

Has anyone heard the status of the "Humpin to Please" TOFC car from St Louis
S Fest 2007?

Or am I the only guy who ordered one who hasn't received it yet...

Roy Inman

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46172 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/15/2007
Subject: Re: Enameled wire
Look for a "Franchise" RADIO SHACK or the ONE designated electronic store
unit in a community cluster of "Shacks". That's what happened in Lancaster, PA
(Dutch Country). The Mall Shacks are "toy stores" with the vacant eyed clerks
when you ask for a resistor or diode. A few of them know where the stocking
electronic unit is. In Lancaster, PA, (soon to have it's own Slots Parlor
downtown), the "electronics Shack" is in the Lancaster Shopping Center, between
PA 501 and 272.

Jim" found the right Shack" Lyle
Group: S-Trains Message: 46173 From: afjerryk5 Date: 12/15/2007
Subject: S Fest car
I also got an e-mail concerning the S Fest cars,they said I would
have to pay $10 shipping as Ihad not attended the event.I responded
that I had attended,and have my name tag and hotel bill to prove it.So
far I haven't gotten a response.I don't plan on paying shipping,as I
did attend the event.They can keep the car and refund my money
Jerry watching the snow fall
in the Hoosier State
Group: S-Trains Message: 46174 From: Keith Blanchard Date: 12/15/2007
Subject: Latest Creation, News Advert
Hi Gang,

I havn't posted on here for a while. So I thought I would let you all
know things are doing well in the Canyon. Also, for those who missed
out on my first lot. This is a quick note to let you know I finally
posted my latest fully-built on this page.
http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com/keiths.htm
There are still a few of the smaller ones available also. I wouln't be
doing any more builts for some time. Too much other work to catch up on
around here.
Happy Holidays to all, Keith Blanchard
Group: S-Trains Message: 46175 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/15/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/16/2007, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46176 From: John Metzger Date: 12/15/2007
Subject: Re: S Fest missing car
Ron B from american models is paying for the s&h charges. Thanks, John M of st louis club.


----- Original Message ----
From: roy inman <rinphoto@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 10:41:04 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Fest missing car

Thanks John for the update :)

Will there be a shipping charge when at the outcome, beyond our original
payment for the car itself?

Roy Inman

From: John Metzger <johnm_63379@ yahoo.com>
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:40:30 -0800 (PST)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Fest missing car

from john metzger, RN from the st louis s gauge club. ron from american
models is waiting on a part from china that mounts the trailer to the flat
car. nobody has gotten the car yet. that encludes the st louis club
members. when the part comes in, ron will then ship the cars.

----- Original Message ----
From: roy inman <rinphoto@everestkc. net <mailto:rinphoto% 40everestkc. net> >
To: S-scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups .com <mailto:S-Scale% 40yahoogroups. com> >;
S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com <mailto:S-Trains% 40yahoogroups. com> >
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 12:08:22 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] S Fest missing car

Has anyone heard the status of the "Humpin to Please" TOFC car from St Louis
S Fest 2007?

Or am I the only guy who ordered one who hasn't received it yet...

Roy Inman

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46177 From: Paul Yorke Date: 12/16/2007
Subject: Sharing the fun of trains
Yesterday at our local library they had the annual 'Polar Express' event.
I set up four loops of track. One small loop (s-helper flex) with a trolley,
and 3 concentric loops (s-helper sectional) with three trains. The middle
train of the three outer trains, was traveling in the opposite direction
caring a video camera. The view shows a train level view of the two other
trains moving in the opposite direction.
The children loved the trains. They enjoyed finding the elf, and frosty. I
also have a cow in the stock car.
The mug for the camera as it passes.
It was great watching these kids see something that most of them have never
seen.
see photos at....
http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/py/ld/
On the event day the outside train was 3/4 the length of the loop. That
diesel is a real stump puller. I suspect I could have put more low friction
cars, and filled the entire loop.

The all S-Helper (http://showcaseline.com) stuff ran *perfectly*. Thank
you Don and Robin for making such wonderful stuff.

--
Paul Yorke
772-597-3788 / 285-4817
Skype paulwyorke

http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulwyorke


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46178 From: barb Date: 12/16/2007
Subject: Re: Sharing the fun of trains
Great pics, Paul. This kids looked like they loved it.... Barb

-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Yorke <s_trains@...>
>Sent: Dec 16, 2007 9:39 AM
>To: slist <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [S-Trains] Sharing the fun of trains
>
>Yesterday at our local library they had the annual 'Polar Express' event.
>I set up four loops of track. One small loop (s-helper flex) with a trolley,
>and 3 concentric loops (s-helper sectional) with three trains. The middle
>train of the three outer trains, was traveling in the opposite direction
>caring a video camera. The view shows a train level view of the two other
>trains moving in the opposite direction.
>The children loved the trains. They enjoyed finding the elf, and frosty. I
>also have a cow in the stock car.
>The mug for the camera as it passes.
>It was great watching these kids see something that most of them have never
>seen.
>see photos at....
>http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/py/ld/
>On the event day the outside train was 3/4 the length of the loop. That
>diesel is a real stump puller. I suspect I could have put more low friction
>cars, and filled the entire loop.
>
>The all S-Helper (http://showcaseline.com) stuff ran *perfectly*. Thank
>you Don and Robin for making such wonderful stuff.
>
>--
>Paul Yorke
>772-597-3788 / 285-4817
>Skype paulwyorke
>
>http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulwyorke
>
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46179 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/16/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/16/2007, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46180 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 12/16/2007
Subject: 24565 Cannon Car Question
I have a faded 24565 cannon car and plan to put repro fences on it and
then respray the brown accent stripes. I have searched in my reference
books but can not locate a good detailed photo of this car. Would
someone please post some photos showing the brown stripe pattern on the
deck of the flat car and the brown pattern on the long fences? Also
are there any brown stripes on the end fences or on the inside of any
of the four fences? If so, would someone please post photos of these
also. If you have photos but do not know how to post them, then please
email them to me and I will post them for the group to view.

Thanks,

BG1
Group: S-Trains Message: 46181 From: Robert Graves Date: 12/16/2007
Subject: Re: 24565 Cannon Car Question
Aren't the ones on The Gilbert Gallery good enough?

http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/flatcars4.html

There are no stripes inside.


--- Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:

> I have a faded 24565 cannon car and plan to put
> repro fences on it and
> then respray the brown accent stripes. I have
> searched in my reference
> books but can not locate a good detailed photo of
> this car. Would
> someone please post some photos showing the brown
> stripe pattern on the
> deck of the flat car and the brown pattern on the
> long fences? Also
> are there any brown stripes on the end fences or on
> the inside of any
> of the four fences? If so, would someone please
> post photos of these
> also. If you have photos but do not know how to
> post them, then please
> email them to me and I will post them for the group
> to view.
>
> Thanks,
>
> BG1
>
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46182 From: Bruce D. Willis Date: 12/16/2007
Subject: NYC Docksider set sale
I stumbled across this today. I don't know how many they have left
The place is "Learning Things".
http://www.learningthings.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=LT649618&eq=LT649618A&Tp=
- Bruce W.
Group: S-Trains Message: 46183 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 12/16/2007
Subject: Re: 24565 Cannon Car Question
Bob,

I looked at your photos while doing my research, but the stripes on
the flat car in your photos look faded and I can't tell if there are
any stripes on the outside of the end fences. I am trying to find
very detailed photos of all the original parts.

Thanks!

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...>
wrote:
>
> Aren't the ones on The Gilbert Gallery good enough?
>
> http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/flatcars4.html
>
> There are no stripes inside.
>
>
> --- Bull_Gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:
>
> > I have a faded 24565 cannon car and plan to put
> > repro fences on it and
> > then respray the brown accent stripes. I have
> > searched in my reference
> > books but can not locate a good detailed photo of
> > this car. Would
> > someone please post some photos showing the brown
> > stripe pattern on the
> > deck of the flat car and the brown pattern on the
> > long fences? Also
> > are there any brown stripes on the end fences or on
> > the inside of any
> > of the four fences? If so, would someone please
> > post photos of these
> > also. If you have photos but do not know how to
> > post them, then please
> > email them to me and I will post them for the group
> > to view.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > BG1
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46184 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/17/2007
Subject: Re: 24565 Cannon Car Question
In a message dated 12/16/2007 5:48:13 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
bull_gator_1@... writes:

Bob,

I looked at your photos while doing my research, but the stripes on
the flat car in your photos look faded and I can't tell if there are
any stripes on the outside of the end fences. I am trying to find
very detailed photos of all the original parts.

Thanks!

BG1



There is no paint on either side of the end fences.

Steve
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46185 From: Mike Rosz Date: 12/17/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] Enameled wire
American Science Center has a catalog They are in Chicago. Or have you
tried Ace Hardware?

On Sat, 15 DEC 2007 00:22:32 -0000 "amply" <amply@yahoo> writes:
Can anyone tell me where to buy 24 & 26 GA. enameled wire for rewiring
field coils and armatures? In Tom Barkers manual, he suggests Radio
Shack. I tried that, and they have no idea what I'm talking about. Any
help would be appreciated.




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Group: S-Trains Message: 46186 From: ken_5556 Date: 12/17/2007
Subject: Re: Enameled wire
Highlite both lines and paste into windows explorer.

http://www.mcminone.com/search.asp?
keyword=magnet+wire&searchin=off&btnSubmit.x=16&btnSubmit.y=9

I don't know why the program wants to split this address up.

Or http://www.mcminone.com/ and enter "magnet wire" in search box.

The other place is "Mouser" not "Mousser".

Ken



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "amflyrguy" <amflyrguy@...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me where to buy 24 & 26 ga. enameled wire for
rewiring
> field coils and armatures? In Tom Barkers manual, he suggests Radio
> Shack. I tried that, and they have no idea what I'm talking about.
Any
> help would be appreciated.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46187 From: John Gibson Date: 12/17/2007
Subject: Northern California 2008 S Scale West Convention Announcement
Northern California S Scale West aka O Scale West.

Largest S scale show west of the Mississippi!

There will be S standard and narrow gauge dealers and manufacturers
including:

River Raisin who is bringing their new SP locomotives,
PBL, the premier manufacturer of S narrow gauge equipment
Howard'S Trains, the largest dealer of S scale items in the west

There will also be clinics on operations, layout construction and
scenery.

Additional convention activities include railroad videos, door
prizes & model and photo contest.

The BASS club will have their modular layout up and running – bring
your equipment to run on the layout. Equipment must meet NASG
standards. There will also be an Sn3 display.

The following layouts will be open:

Arden Goehring's S scale Union Pacific

Ed Loizeaux's S New York Central

Mike Schwab's Sn3 San Juan Southern

The meet car is an S-Helper NWP rebuilt boxcar in four road
numbers. See flyer at uploaded in files section of group. Cost is
$43, plus S&H unless car is picked up at convention.

Convention info:

February 7-9, 2008
Hyatt Regency Santa Clara
5101 Great America Parkway
Santa Clara, CA 95054
Reservations: 800-233-1234
Hotel Switchboard: 408-200-1234
Hotel Fax: 408-980-3939

Admission: $25 for registrations postmarked by 12/31/2007; $30 at
the door

Table Rentals: $35/table if registration is postmarked by 12/31/07;
$45 after 12/31/07, electrical hook up is free.

Additional information & registration forms available at
http://www.oscalewest.com

Additional questions, please contact John Gibson offline.

Look forward to seeing you at the show.

OSW+S Convention Committee,

John Gibson
Lee Johnson
Bill McClung
Howard Sheffield
Group: S-Trains Message: 46188 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/17/2007
Subject: Legacy and American Flyer – A first look.
For those of you who are interested in TMCC-based operations of Flyer and S
gauge, particularly the new TMCC Mikados and Pacifics – please read on.
This past week I installed and operated Lionel’s new Legacy system. Legacy
comes with a command base that also doubles as a charger and cradle for the
remote and a really slick art deco-styled Cab-2. Like the old system, it is a
single wire ‘snap’ to install, which continues to make TMCC the strong CC
system of choice for those of us who have traditional Gilbert layouts and wish
to keep them that way. You can keep your old Cab-1(s) operational by using a Y
connector (supplied) and transferring the “U” connection from the old
command base to the new Legacy command base. I had the system running both of my
layouts in minutes.
In several ways, Legacy is closer to being a train simulator connected to
model trains than just a conventional CC system. Cab-2 has many functions
familiar to those who have Cab-1s, but it is also fitted with a fairly large
screen to view menus and watch at what rate true speed approaches set speed
limits. The “buttons” are now back-lit glass in order to reveal alternate
functions depending on menu selections. A set of five speed bars (limits) are
indicated a choices for a number of the buttons when the operations menu is chosen.
The speed limits (targets) can be balanced against settings of the new train
brake control and the momentum settings to determine how fast an engine will
start and eventually each the limit. Lionel has posted the entire
instruction manual (downloadable) complete with cool retro-graphics on their web site,
if you wish to delve into the details.
For non-Legacy engines one can scroll through engine types and enter their
basic characteristics along with a cab number and engine number. After
entering these engines into the system as ‘TMCC steam’ with ‘RS5’, these responded
nicely with the new control. Smoother, more realistic starts than before are
possible, again, by careful choice of the train brake and speed bar
settings. Mid-point for the train brake slider, medium speed, and M momentum worked
well. The variable whistle/bell controller made ‘quilling’ the whistles
easier than with Cab-1. All of the usual functions (smoke, chatter, volume level,
etc.) are as before. General response using Cab-2 is sharper than with Cab-1
and the detents on the velocity throttle are a big improvement.
Given that Legacy is a TMCC-based system at its core, one can still run
conventional engines with Cab-2 as a walk-around if: (a) one uses TPCs to control
conventional power sources (say, a 30B) or (b) use a modern ZW to power a
layout. This gives one the capability of running traditional Gilbert and
conventional modern S-gauge engines by AM and SHS by remote control (and with
improved control) without any alterations of your engines.
In summation, Legacy is completely compatible with the current fleet of
Lionel AF TMCC engines, thus opening capabilities of enhanced operations of those
engines over the old system. The system, as a whole, is skewed towards
operations with TMCC 0-gauge engines, but if you are into TMCC operations of
American Flyer, Legacy is worth a look.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46189 From: gettysburg9 Date: 12/18/2007
Subject: AF switch repair/rebuild Question:
I have several pitted 720(A) remote switches which work well, however
previous owners allowed the rails to rust considerably.

1. Is it possible to replace the rusted rail sections by using "good"
rails from standard curved/straight track sections? (cutting a
straight and curved piece to length where needed)

2. Would taking the rails from AF manual switches and swapping them
out work (without comparing the two, I am assuming that the lengths
would be equal)

Hate to see working switches going to waste if they can be "re-cycled".

Paul
Group: S-Trains Message: 46190 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/18/2007
Subject: Re: AF switch repair/rebuild Question:
You can replace the rails with manual switch rails,
but they must be from the same type. Left switch
straight rail to left switch. If you look closely
there is an indentation in the rail where the frog
hits and a normal rail doesn't have the indent. It
looks like the indent is formed at the factory with a
tool to squeeze the rail. It might be possible to
imitate that indent by filing the inside of the rail
at the right spot and just the right amount.

Good luck,

Bill Drake
Central Virginia
--- gettysburg9 <gettysburg@...> wrote:

> I have several pitted 720(A) remote switches which
> work well, however
> previous owners allowed the rails to rust
> considerably.
>
> 1. Is it possible to replace the rusted rail
> sections by using "good"
> rails from standard curved/straight track sections?
> (cutting a
> straight and curved piece to length where needed)
>
> 2. Would taking the rails from AF manual switches
> and swapping them
> out work (without comparing the two, I am assuming
> that the lengths
> would be equal)
>
> Hate to see working switches going to waste if they
> can be "re-cycled".
>
>
> Paul
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46191 From: Dave Highfield Date: 12/18/2007
Subject: Train Smoke
I recently purchased some original cedar JT Mega-Steam smoke fluid.
(HYPERLINK "http://www.megasteam.com/"www.megasteam.com)

My Flyonel engines smoke better as does my AM Northerner and vintage flyer.

However, it seems I have to add fluid a bit more often - maybe because it�s
actually turning to smoke!

I�m still searching for the fluid that will set off my smoke detector and
Mega-Steam comes pretty close.

I am not associated in any way with this company.

Dave


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46192 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/18/2007
Subject: Re: Train Smoke
I have a question about smoke fluid since I hope to be a operator soon.

I was told to be careful with running engines with smoke coming out of the
engine, as the smoke will deposit itself, the residue, soon on things, like
furniture, other trains etc.

The person told me to have good air circulation going like a fan.

How true is this?

Thanks,

Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 46193 From: Timboy Date: 12/18/2007
Subject: Re: Train Smoke
Hi Mike,

Don't step outside your house, or you might get run over by a bus. On
the other hand, run from your house right now before a jet airliner
crashes into it. It's cedar oil. I work at my local YMCA. We
dispense eucalyptus oil for aroma therapy inside our steam rooms.
Chefs breathe in vaporized cooking oil. You know that. The wick
inside the loco doesn't "burn" the oil, it vaporizes it. My Mom used
to "vaporize" me with Vicks Vapo Rub and a "vaporizer". Here I am,
still at age 59 & going, going, going. Any questions?

Best regards,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 46194 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 12/18/2007
Subject: Re: Train Smoke
I have been running smoking steam engines
for over 18 years and I see no evidence of
residue from smoke. If you over fill the smoke
chamber then it will spray fluid on your
engine and track. Most deposits on the
track are from decaying plastic wheels.

I use Supersmoke Smoke Fluid from
Bart's Pneumatics in Lancaster. Also
carried by Doug Peck at:
http://www.portlines.com/

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>
To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "Joseph Lechner" <Joseph.Lechner@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train Smoke


>I have a question about smoke fluid since I hope to be a operator soon.
>
> I was told to be careful with running engines with smoke coming out of the
> engine, as the smoke will deposit itself, the residue, soon on things,
> like
> furniture, other trains etc.
>
> The person told me to have good air circulation going like a fan.
>
> How true is this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 46195 From: Mike Rosz Date: 12/18/2007
Subject: Re: Train Smoke
W H A T ?

Mike who?

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:05:34 -0000 "Timboy" <Timboy@...> writes:
Hi Mike,

Don't step outside your house, or you might get run over by a bus. On
the other hand, run from your house right now before a jet airliner
crashes into it. It's cedar oil. I work at my local YMCA. We
dispense eucalyptus oil for aroma therapy inside our steam rooms.
Chefs breathe in vaporized cooking oil. You know that. The wick
inside the loco doesn't "burn" the oil, it vaporizes it. My Mom used
to "vaporize" me with Vicks Vapo Rub and a "vaporizer". Here I am,
still at age 59 & going, going, going. Any questions?

Best regards,
Tim Brown




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Group: S-Trains Message: 46196 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/19/2007
Subject: Re: Train Smoke
To Mike & all,
I use the finest Aroma Therapy grade Cedar oil in
my smoke fluid. Mike in Ore



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46197 From: Timboy Date: 12/19/2007
Subject: Re: Train Smoke
HI Mike,

OTOH, there may be someone who is sensitive to the vaporized cedar oil
for whatever reason. Or there may be those who suffer from a lung
condition. The smoke may bother those people and they should take the
appropriate precautions. Also, apparently the vaporized cedar oil is
highly addictive! <grin>.

S-Happens!
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 46198 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/19/2007
Subject: Fw: Train Smoke
Ok, from my TCA O gauge Chemist friend in Ohio, things should be okay.

I can breath deep. Ah, Breath Deep, a line from a Moody Blues song!

Tim, I can go outside now! Just kidding.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lechner" <Joseph.Lechner@...>
To: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 6:10 PM
Subject: Train Smoke


>>> "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> 12/18/2007 5:31 PM >>>

I was told to be careful with running engines with smoke coming out of the
engine, as the smoke will deposit itself, the residue, soon on things, like
furniture, other trains etc.

The person told me to have good air circulation going like a fan.


Mike, my trains are set up in a basement room that has no windows and only
a doorway to the other part of the basement. After running a smoking Lionel
steamer for 4-5 minutes, the whole room smells of smoke fluid.

Smoke fluids are hydrocarbons that range in size from kerosenes on up to
paraffin oils. They vaporize inside the engine where it's hot, then the
"smoke" is actually vapors that condense to form a fog when they contact
cooler room air.

This "smoke" does not deposit on walls, furniture, etc., unless the room is
so cold that the smoke never dissipates. Watch what happens to the smoke
after your loco passes by. It should dissipate or dissolve; i.e., droplets
of oil are evaporating.

Some ventilation is a good idea. In summer, have a window open. In winter,
your home heating system should take care of it. Eventually, old household
air gets drawn into the furnace, and fresh air gets drawn in from outdoors.

The only "smoke" that settles out was the meta-terphenyl pellets used in
postwar Lionel steam locos.




Joseph H. Lechner, Ph.D.
Professor of Chemistry
Mount Vernon Nazarene University
800 Martinsburg Road
Mount Vernon, OH 43050-9500
[740] 397-9000 extension 3211
Group: S-Trains Message: 46199 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/19/2007
Subject: Re: Train Smoke
Tim,

I wasn't worried about getting any ill effects on me, personally. O:)!

I was more concern about any residue depositing on the AF collection or any furniture upstairs.

Someone from the TCA list wrote to me about this, as hey, I am new at this stuff and I just want to be sure.

I did get a answer from a TCA friend who is a chemist and I got a great answer from him, which I will sure on another post.

And like Glenn, I am using Bart's smoke fluid, vintage 1993. LOL

Thanks Tim.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Timboy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 7:05 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train Smoke


Hi Mike,

Don't step outside your house, or you might get run over by a bus. On
the other hand, run from your house right now before a jet airliner
crashes into it. It's cedar oil. I work at my local YMCA. We
dispense eucalyptus oil for aroma therapy inside our steam rooms.
Chefs breathe in vaporized cooking oil. You know that. The wick
inside the loco doesn't "burn" the oil, it vaporizes it. My Mom used
to "vaporize" me with Vicks Vapo Rub and a "vaporizer". Here I am,
still at age 59 & going, going, going. Any questions?

Best regards,
Tim Brown





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46200 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/19/2007
Subject: Re: Train Smoke
I know you shouldn't drink it.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46201 From: velapoldi Date: 12/19/2007
Subject: Re: Fw: Train Smoke
Hey all:
Let's face it. Smoke is a suspension in the air - Joe Lechner said it
below (as well as it being well known to lots of people). It will coat
anything it comes in contact with - if it "drops" out of the air before
it gets to the walls, furniture, etc, then it will be on the floor, on
the layout, etc. Now, the questions is how much gets deposited and how
much is harmful. We have the case where metals such as selenium,
vanadium, etc. are poisonous, but the body needs them in trace
quantities to perform some biological-chemical functions. [And trace in
this context is very small in the parts per million or billion range!]
So, who knows how much of the hydrocarbons/oils is deposited and even
then, how much do you need before it is harmful??? As many have said,
they run their trains with smoke and really haven't had problems,
healthwise, housewise, etc. If you run the trains 24 per day for
several years, all I can say is you had better come up from the cellar
(or wherever the trains are) and smell the roses or get another part of
your life going. As with anything, take some usual precautions. Air the
place out periodically (if possible), don't drink too much of the smoke
fluid (nor gin, etc.) and enjoy the short time we are on the earth.
best regards for a joyous season!
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:
>
> Ok, from my TCA O gauge Chemist friend in Ohio, things should be okay.
>
> I can breath deep. Ah, Breath Deep, a line from a Moody Blues song!
>
> Tim, I can go outside now! Just kidding.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Lechner" <Joseph.Lechner@...
> <mailto:Joseph.Lechner%40mvnu.edu>>
> To: "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...
> <mailto:mlmarmer%40msn.com>>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 6:10 PM
> Subject: Train Smoke
>
> >>> "Michael and Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...
> <mailto:mlmarmer%40msn.com>> 12/18/2007 5:31 PM >>>
>
> I was told to be careful with running engines with smoke coming out of the
> engine, as the smoke will deposit itself, the residue, soon on things,
> like
> furniture, other trains etc.
>
> The person told me to have good air circulation going like a fan.
>
> Mike, my trains are set up in a basement room that has no windows and
> only
> a doorway to the other part of the basement. After running a smoking
> Lionel
> steamer for 4-5 minutes, the whole room smells of smoke fluid.
>
> Smoke fluids are hydrocarbons that range in size from kerosenes on up to
> paraffin oils. They vaporize inside the engine where it's hot, then the
> "smoke" is actually vapors that condense to form a fog when they contact
> cooler room air.
>
> This "smoke" does not deposit on walls, furniture, etc., unless the
> room is
> so cold that the smoke never dissipates. Watch what happens to the smoke
> after your loco passes by. It should dissipate or dissolve; i.e.,
> droplets
> of oil are evaporating.
>
> Some ventilation is a good idea. In summer, have a window open. In
> winter,
> your home heating system should take care of it. Eventually, old
> household
> air gets drawn into the furnace, and fresh air gets drawn in from
> outdoors.
>
> The only "smoke" that settles out was the meta-terphenyl pellets used in
> postwar Lionel steam locos.
>
> Joseph H. Lechner, Ph.D.
> Professor of Chemistry
> Mount Vernon Nazarene University
> 800 Martinsburg Road
> Mount Vernon, OH 43050-9500
> [740] 397-9000 extension 3211
>
>


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46202 From: paflyrman Date: 12/19/2007
Subject: Re: Train Smoke
Perhaps I missed it in this thread, but no one seems to have addressed
which fluid works best, i.e. produces the most smoke. Over the years I
have used just about every brand that's come out. Haven't seen a lot
of difference really. Seems there was one that was supposed to have
some ingrediate that acted like a solvent to help free up gummed
wicks. I didn't find that to be the case however. Not to any
noticeable degree anyway. Also tried adding non flammable solvent to
the unit (Could never find Carbona solvent as recommended by Tom
Barker, former S-Gaugian repair wizard). Guess you really must
rebuild the smoke units to get 'em smokin' like they used to. Too many
engines, not enough time for that.

Happy Ho Ho

paflyrman
Group: S-Trains Message: 46203 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 12/19/2007
Subject: Train Smoke
Despite being 57 years old and having had two heart attacks and
kidney failure in my past, train smoke, toy trains or real ones,
hasn't killed me yet!
We run trains all the time at the hobby shop and found cigarette
smoke much more damaging to the stock on the shelves, so years before
indoor smoking became illegal in Ohio, it was at G & M Train & Hobby!
Different fluids work best in different units. For instance Suethe
fluid works best in Suethe smoke units and MTH ProtoSmoke works best
in MTH units. It seems to be a match between the heat of the smoke
unit and the blend and viscosity of the fluid which makes the
difference.
At the shop, Gary uses Super Smoke overall, and we found
the "scented" smokes don't seem to smoke very well or smell that good.
For my growing fleet of Putt and old Flyer locos, I found Anormal to
be best, closely followed by a tie between Putt Trains and Suethe.
Super Smoke is next with Lionel and MTH fluids way down the list.
"Your mileage may vary."
Stumpy Stone...off to work the shop...Ahia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 46204 From: Bull_Gator_1 Date: 12/19/2007
Subject: Re: 24565 Cannon Car Question
Hi Steve,

Thanks for the info!

BG1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 12/16/2007 5:48:13 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> bull_gator_1@... writes:
>
> Bob,
>
> I looked at your photos while doing my research, but the stripes
on
> the flat car in your photos look faded and I can't tell if there
are
> any stripes on the outside of the end fences. I am trying to find
> very detailed photos of all the original parts.
>
> Thanks!
>
> BG1
>
>
>
> There is no paint on either side of the end fences.
>
> Steve
> SnS Trains
> Boise
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46205 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 12/19/2007
Subject: Re: Train Smoke
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46206 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/19/2007
Subject: "Fire in the Hole!" From the S-trains archive
This always cracks me up! From the year 2000, I believe.

I wrote:
Reading an older post, it was mentioned to squirt alittle WD-40
down the smoker tube to de-gunk a wick.
I use TV tuner cleaner, it's non-flammable. Is WD-40 SAFE to use???
I've been told NOT to use any thing flammable.

David Dewey wrote:

Hmm,
"Smoke 'em if ya got 'em!"

Fooooomph!!!

"Way cool dad!! Do it again!!!"

Rick may have a valid point, although it hasn't happened to me YET!
I did
have some tuner cleaner flame up on a running armature once though!
S'
David "no eyebrows" Dewey




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Group: S-Trains Message: 46207 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/19/2007
Subject: Re: "Fire in the Hole!" From the S-trains archive
In a message dated 12/19/2007 6:42:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bassflyer@... writes:

Rick may have a valid point, although it hasn't happened to me YET!
I did
have some tuner cleaner flame up on a running armature once though!
S'

Set the kitchen table on fire one night with tuner cleaner--valuable lesson.
Saved the train.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46208 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 12/19/2007
Subject: More laughs re: Flyonel Heavyweight Dining Car - Pennsy
I just viewed one of the Flyonel heavyweight dining cars on Ebay and laughed.


This is a brand new Pennsy car. It really is a pretty nice car, but, as we
noted when the UP dining car came out last year, the dining car has no doors to
stock the kitchen and it has a passenger vestibule door on the opposite end
of the car. Plus the silhouettes include passengers sitting at tables in the
kitchen!

What made me laugh was reading the description of the seller.

The first part was OK, "AMERICAN FLYER LTI 6-49910 PENNSYLVANIA PRR
HEAVYWEIGHT DINER GEORGE WASHINGTON such as ran on the Broadway Limited and other great
trains of the passenger fleet of the "Standard Railroad of the World". NIB".

The second part of the description is the funny part: "While purists would
probably scream, operators will probably find that this car, as it's lettered
for "Pullman" as well as the Pennsylvania, would pass just as well for a parlor
car or sleeper on most any layout." I was not laughing at the seller, who
made a good point. Obviously it is Lionel that pulled another "funny".

- Earl Henry, Nashville
Group: S-Trains Message: 46209 From: skipkendel Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Re: "Fire in the Hole!" From the S-trains archive
I wouldn't use WD-40 in any situation where flammability was a
concern. When I was practicing law, I handled a case where an entire
apartment complex was burned to the ground after a plumber used a
cigarette lighter to look into a hole where he had just squirted WD-
40. A word to the wise.

Skip Kendel

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> wrote:
>
> This always cracks me up! From the year 2000, I believe.
>
> I wrote:
> Reading an older post, it was mentioned to squirt alittle WD-40
> down the smoker tube to de-gunk a wick.
> I use TV tuner cleaner, it's non-flammable. Is WD-40 SAFE to use???
> I've been told NOT to use any thing flammable.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46210 From: Allan V Eisenhaur Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Smoke Fluid
For Those who want to make there own Smoke fluid. I found this formula
for American Flyer original smoke fluid in a back issue of S Gaugian
Magazine a fews years ago.

1 Part Cedarwood Oil ( Oil from the wood of Juniperus Virginiana )
and 16 parts Shell Dispersol ( Kerosene Code 8233 )

Since it's mostly kerosene I have used a mixture of lamp oil and RFG's
brand of smoke fluid. It seems to work well.

Someone also mentioned WD-40. My observations of the smoke units I have
repaired is when the smoke fluid evaporates from long periods of storage
it turns to a hard pine sap consistency. In Barkers repair manual he
suggests try using a non flammable solvent to dissolve the residue on the
wick. I have used WD-40 and it has worked well for cleaning the smoke
units. Some were to far gone and had to be replaced. But be careful.

Al

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46211 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Re: "Fire in the Hole!" From the S-trains archive
WD-40 uses butane as the propellant in fact we used to use it as starter
juice in quarter scale airplanes engines.

However it is a terrible lubricant for the long term. It was designed as a
Water Displacement Formula(WD)not as a lubricant. Over time is will
evaporate and the residue is like glue.

It is a good rust preventive though but not to be used in moving parts
permanently.
(Or in smoke units) :-)

Carl

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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of skipkendel
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:00 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: "Fire in the Hole!" From the S-trains archive


I wouldn't use WD-40 in any situation where flammability was a
concern. When I was practicing law, I handled a case where an entire
apartment complex was burned to the ground after a plumber used a
cigarette lighter to look into a hole where he had just squirted WD-
40. A word to the wise.

Skip Kendel

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> wrote:
>
> This always cracks me up! From the year 2000, I believe.
>
> I wrote:
> Reading an older post, it was mentioned to squirt alittle WD-40
> down the smoker tube to de-gunk a wick.
> I use TV tuner cleaner, it's non-flammable. Is WD-40 SAFE to use???
> I've been told NOT to use any thing flammable.
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46212 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
If you use the Shell Kerosene, you will find out that this is NOT the org.
formula. Ask a few of the members that remember my first batches. Also the
Shell product has a very LOW flash point(Will ignite easily). The smell is very
bad & harmfull, Mike in Ore.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46213 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Well since I cannot get decent smoke fluid down here in Oz I shall
continue to use cheap fragrent essential oils (usually magnolia
scented)of the kind used by aromatherapists. It is pleasant smelling
and gives a reasonable amount of smoke. If not copious I can remind
myself that in the real thing dense and heavy clouds of smoke mean
that poor driving and firing or poor fuel is resulting in too much
fuel and steam going into the air instead of doing useful work.
Alistair

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Allan V Eisenhaur <aleisen@...>
wrote:
>
>
>
> For Those who want to make there own Smoke fluid. I found this
formula
> for American Flyer original smoke fluid in a back issue of S
Gaugian
> Magazine a fews years ago.
>
> 1 Part Cedarwood Oil ( Oil from the wood of Juniperus Virginiana )
> and 16 parts Shell Dispersol ( Kerosene Code 8233 )
>
> Since it's mostly kerosene I have used a mixture of lamp oil and
RFG's
> brand of smoke fluid. It seems to work well.
>
> Someone also mentioned WD-40. My observations of the smoke units I
have
> repaired is when the smoke fluid evaporates from long periods of
storage
> it turns to a hard pine sap consistency. In Barkers repair manual he
> suggests try using a non flammable solvent to dissolve the residue
on the
> wick. I have used WD-40 and it has worked well for cleaning the
smoke
> units. Some were to far gone and had to be replaced. But be
careful.
>
> Al
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46214 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: RE;re;Smoke Fluid
Alistair makes a good point! Huge clouds of dense black smoke is the
work of poor firing, even on locomotives running on bunker C oil! In
the glory days of Class One railroads a firemen might be forgiven for
doing this while the locomotive was pulling hard on a freight train,
you wouldn't see much of this in passenger service.
Much film footage and still pictures in the last ten years of steam
show a lot of smoke. Some of this was at the request of the guys with
the cameras. And some of this was due to the poor maintenance and
poor training of new firemen with the diesel invasion swamping the
railroads. A lot of roads just didn't care anymore.
The exception was the Norfolk & Western who stuck with steam as long
as possible with attention to maintenance. Every locomotive
(passenger and freight)had a sign painted on it saying: "Smoke is
Waste" and road foremen enforced this rule.
In cold weather, there chould be billowing clouds of expelled steam
coming out the stack if the locomotive was pulling hard.
The Road Foreman of Engines would probably like the guys firing our
S gauge locos!
Stumpy Stone...love those steam locomotives...Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 46215 From: Timboy Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Re: RE;re;Smoke Fluid
Hi Stumpy,

Bravo! I enjoyed your last posting. Please consider posting more
vignettes of the glory days of prototypical steam operations as relates
to model RRing. Thank you.

S-Happens!
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 46216 From: Edward G. Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
ALISTAIR--Alistair...were do you get your info...I have been telling
people for years where to get the best smoke fluid but it goes in one
ear and out the other ...I found out years ago what the formula for
ACG Smoke fluid was ...and yet people dont seem to get it ..I for one
will not pay obnoxious amounts of money for something that is so
simple...ACGs formula for theie fluid is simple it is 97% PURE
Keroscene and 3 % Cederwood oil...nothing more ...these items can be
found anywhere ..if you dont like cedar smell then dont add it ..add
any scent you want ..BUT the bottom line is ...Any scorce for PURE
KERO..which is very low sulfur which is why it doesnt STINK..works so
well in AF engines thats WHAT THEY WERE DESIGNED FOR ...All these guy
selling their so called specallty fluids are making a dent in wallets
only ....if anyone would only take the time to go to their local
stores and buy a little Kero and make there own they would have 10
times the amount for a few dollars afterall what is the price of a
Gallon of Kero compared to 2oz of someones homemade
juice ...But "DUH" ..they all get caught up in the HYPE that someone
has a better fluid ...there ISNT ONE...its all PETRO BASED...

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alistair McAllister" <alizoo@...>
wrote:
>
> Well since I cannot get decent smoke fluid down here in Oz I shall
> continue to use cheap fragrent essential oils (usually magnolia
> scented)of the kind used by aromatherapists. It is pleasant
smelling
> and gives a reasonable amount of smoke. If not copious I can
remind
> myself that in the real thing dense and heavy clouds of smoke mean
> that poor driving and firing or poor fuel is resulting in too much
> fuel and steam going into the air instead of doing useful work.
> Alistair
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Allan V Eisenhaur <aleisen@>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > For Those who want to make there own Smoke fluid. I found this
> formula
> > for American Flyer original smoke fluid in a back issue of S
> Gaugian
> > Magazine a fews years ago.
> >
> > 1 Part Cedarwood Oil ( Oil from the wood of Juniperus
Virginiana )
> > and 16 parts Shell Dispersol ( Kerosene Code 8233 )
> >
> > Since it's mostly kerosene I have used a mixture of lamp oil and
> RFG's
> > brand of smoke fluid. It seems to work well.
> >
> > Someone also mentioned WD-40. My observations of the smoke units
I
> have
> > repaired is when the smoke fluid evaporates from long periods of
> storage
> > it turns to a hard pine sap consistency. In Barkers repair manual
he
> > suggests try using a non flammable solvent to dissolve the
residue
> on the
> > wick. I have used WD-40 and it has worked well for cleaning the
> smoke
> > units. Some were to far gone and had to be replaced. But be
> careful.
> >
> > Al
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46217 From: Don Thompson Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Dear Edward,
Maury Romer told me years ago it was odorless Kerosene and cedarwood oil.
Don T.

Edward G. wrote:

> ALISTAIR--Alistair...were do you get your info...I have been telling
> people for years where to get the best smoke fluid but it goes in one
> ear and out the other ...I found out years ago what the formula for
> ACG Smoke fluid was ...and yet people dont seem to get it ..I for one
> will not pay obnoxious amounts of money for something that is so
> simple...ACGs formula for theie fluid is simple it is 97% PURE
> Keroscene and 3 % Cederwood oil...nothing more ...these items can be
> found anywhere ..if you dont like cedar smell then dont add it ..add
> any scent you want ..BUT the bottom line is ...Any scorce for PURE
> KERO..which is very low sulfur which is why it doesnt STINK..works so
> well in AF engines thats WHAT THEY WERE DESIGNED FOR ...All these guy
> selling their so called specallty fluids are making a dent in wallets
> only ....if anyone would only take the time to go to their local
> stores and buy a little Kero and make there own they would have 10
> times the amount for a few dollars afterall what is the price of a
> Gallon of Kero compared to 2oz of someones homemade
> juice ...But "DUH" ..they all get caught up in the HYPE that someone
> has a better fluid ...there ISNT ONE...its all PETRO BASED...
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Alistair McAllister" <alizoo@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Well since I cannot get decent smoke fluid down here in Oz I shall
> > continue to use cheap fragrent essential oils (usually magnolia
> > scented)of the kind used by aromatherapists. It is pleasant
> smelling
> > and gives a reasonable amount of smoke. If not copious I can
> remind
> > myself that in the real thing dense and heavy clouds of smoke mean
> > that poor driving and firing or poor fuel is resulting in too much
> > fuel and steam going into the air instead of doing useful work.
> > Alistair
> >
> > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Allan V Eisenhaur <aleisen@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > For Those who want to make there own Smoke fluid. I found this
> > formula
> > > for American Flyer original smoke fluid in a back issue of S
> > Gaugian
> > > Magazine a fews years ago.
> > >
> > > 1 Part Cedarwood Oil ( Oil from the wood of Juniperus
> Virginiana )
> > > and 16 parts Shell Dispersol ( Kerosene Code 8233 )
> > >
> > > Since it's mostly kerosene I have used a mixture of lamp oil and
> > RFG's
> > > brand of smoke fluid. It seems to work well.
> > >
> > > Someone also mentioned WD-40. My observations of the smoke units
> I
> > have
> > > repaired is when the smoke fluid evaporates from long periods of
> > storage
> > > it turns to a hard pine sap consistency. In Barkers repair manual
> he
> > > suggests try using a non flammable solvent to dissolve the
> residue
> > on the
> > > wick. I have used WD-40 and it has worked well for cleaning the
> > smoke
> > > units. Some were to far gone and had to be replaced. But be
> > careful.
> > >
> > > Al
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 46218 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
The reason it goes in one ear & out the other is that it is WRONG. Anyone
that thinks they can use Kerosce in their smkoe fluid is steering you down the
wrong track. I do not use it in my fluid. Unlike ALL the others marketed, I
refund every cent including shipping.
Kero has some really bad stuff in it. I had it mass- spected & will not use
it. Some of you guys will remember when I first started.. REALLY BAD STUFF,
I used KERO.
Use whatever you like, your trains are not my investment.
Try putting my fluid on plastic & try Kero & see the results.
As I stated before this comes up every other Christmas. Mike in Or (The
last guy didn't sign his name as requested time & time again)(I have only had to
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46219 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
PS: He also has the ratio wrong My spelling stinks I know. Mike in Ore



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46220 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Re: SMOKE FLUID PS:
Another PS: The formula & help to develop my fluid came from the late Bob
Tufts. He was willing to give anyone the org. formula, all you had to do was
ask. Mike in Ore.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46221 From: clayton deich Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
This is to all of you out there. Is there a way that
the red cartridges could of changed the smell of the
smoke over time? Do we know what they were made of,
and by whom?
I have used your Smoke for a long time now too, but I
had to fined it first. Yours is close to the real
thing in my book. I also have a large stock of the
old cartridges so I will never run out in my life time
or my kids life time. I started picking them up years
back. I was just thinking one day that all the
cartridges will some day be gone, and that set me off
to pick up all that I could that were still in good
shape.

Clayton S D
--- anormal1@... wrote:

> The reason it goes in one ear & out the other is
> that it is WRONG. Anyone
> that thinks they can use Kerosce in their smkoe
> fluid is steering you down the
> wrong track. I do not use it in my fluid. Unlike ALL
> the others marketed, I
> refund every cent including shipping.
> Kero has some really bad stuff in it. I had it
> mass- spected & will not use
> it. Some of you guys will remember when I first
> started.. REALLY BAD STUFF,
> I used KERO.
> Use whatever you like, your trains are not my
> investment.
> Try putting my fluid on plastic & try Kero & see
> the results.
> As I stated before this comes up every other
> Christmas. Mike in Or (The
> last guy didn't sign his name as requested time &
> time again)(I have only had to
> give one refund in 8 years)
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46222 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Clayton & all,
The fluid in the red capsules are different than
the fluid that came in the glass bottles. The fluid in the glass bottles were
made with Shell Kerosene 8233 I'm not sure of that ratio.
My fluid is NOT made with Kerosene & is made to the exact ratio that
Gilbert used.
The Cedar Oil I use CANNOT be gotten just everywhere & is costly.
Adding the PET bottles & labels & the labor to fill them @ $10 for 4 oz I
make some, but not a great deal.
I also wholesale it to about 8 dealers that stock it & sell it at shows.
Again I sell it with a money back , no questions asked policy.
I have at least 50+ letters from users that have claimed it has made their
wicks soft & the unit works better.
It has also been reported to smoke at a lower voltage & really well in the
new L Mikado's.
The reason I have replied to the just mix 97% Model T fuel with Cedar oil
is : I have put a lot of time & effort into my fluid. It is not a slip shod
mixture, but an item I have spent a lot of time on. And in the first trys got a
lot of flack from my failures.
I would never just mix up some cut rate fuel & cheap Cedar oil & pass it
off to those of you that have spent either $25 or $2,500 for their engines.
A person writes me wanting my fluid I ask for their address & it's shipped.
Their checks get here at times days after they have gotten the fluid.
On that note I have never been cheated or had a check bounce. I trust the
persons that buy from me & feel they trust me not to just throw together a
mixture that hasn't been tested for hrs on end.
I hope this might put this issue to rest. But I don't think it will.
The best to all that have used & then bought more. Good luck to the ones
that think it is as easy as mixing 2 items together & it will work without
issues.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46223 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 12/20/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Hi All...

I wouldn't know Anormal1 Mike if I fell over him, but I do know he sells the best darn smoke fluid I've ever put in an engine on my layout. It seems a bit thinner than most others I've tried, but that is a plus as far as I can see. It smokes like crazy and smells great too.

I'm not sure if I know what "pure" kerosene is, but my experience with kerosene is that it begins to oxidize within several months of purchase.

I can also attest to Mike standing behind his product. I ordered a bottle once and several weeks later it did not arrive. I contacted Mike and he immediately sent me not one but 2 bottles to appease me. 2 or 3 weeks later the post office decided to deliver the original bottle. When I contacted Mike he told me to just keep the 3rd bottle. I passed it on to a fellow flyer fan and he agreed it was the best he'd ever used.


Just my two cents.....

Mark Anderman





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46224 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Thank You Mark, Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 46225 From: Edward G. Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
THANX DON ...I KNEW SOMEONE OUT THERE WOULD KNOW THE TRUTH >>>>LOL

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Edward,
> Maury Romer told me years ago it was odorless Kerosene and
cedarwood oil.
> Don T.
>
> Edward G. wrote:
>
> > ALISTAIR--Alistair...were do you get your info...I have been
telling
> > people for years where to get the best smoke fluid but it goes in
one
> > ear and out the other ...I found out years ago what the formula
for
> > ACG Smoke fluid was ...and yet people dont seem to get it ..I for
one
> > will not pay obnoxious amounts of money for something that is so
> > simple...ACGs formula for theie fluid is simple it is 97% PURE
> > Keroscene and 3 % Cederwood oil...nothing more ...these items can
be
> > found anywhere ..if you dont like cedar smell then dont add
it ..add
> > any scent you want ..BUT the bottom line is ...Any scorce for PURE
> > KERO..which is very low sulfur which is why it doesnt
STINK..works so
> > well in AF engines thats WHAT THEY WERE DESIGNED FOR ...All these
guy
> > selling their so called specallty fluids are making a dent in
wallets
> > only ....if anyone would only take the time to go to their local
> > stores and buy a little Kero and make there own they would have 10
> > times the amount for a few dollars afterall what is the price of a
> > Gallon of Kero compared to 2oz of someones homemade
> > juice ...But "DUH" ..they all get caught up in the HYPE that
someone
> > has a better fluid ...there ISNT ONE...its all PETRO BASED...
> >
> > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%
40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "Alistair McAllister" <alizoo@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Well since I cannot get decent smoke fluid down here in Oz I
shall
> > > continue to use cheap fragrent essential oils (usually magnolia
> > > scented)of the kind used by aromatherapists. It is pleasant
> > smelling
> > > and gives a reasonable amount of smoke. If not copious I can
> > remind
> > > myself that in the real thing dense and heavy clouds of smoke
mean
> > > that poor driving and firing or poor fuel is resulting in too
much
> > > fuel and steam going into the air instead of doing useful work.
> > > Alistair
> > >
> > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%
40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Allan V Eisenhaur <aleisen@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For Those who want to make there own Smoke fluid. I found this
> > > formula
> > > > for American Flyer original smoke fluid in a back issue of S
> > > Gaugian
> > > > Magazine a fews years ago.
> > > >
> > > > 1 Part Cedarwood Oil ( Oil from the wood of Juniperus
> > Virginiana )
> > > > and 16 parts Shell Dispersol ( Kerosene Code 8233 )
> > > >
> > > > Since it's mostly kerosene I have used a mixture of lamp oil
and
> > > RFG's
> > > > brand of smoke fluid. It seems to work well.
> > > >
> > > > Someone also mentioned WD-40. My observations of the smoke
units
> > I
> > > have
> > > > repaired is when the smoke fluid evaporates from long periods
of
> > > storage
> > > > it turns to a hard pine sap consistency. In Barkers repair
manual
> > he
> > > > suggests try using a non flammable solvent to dissolve the
> > residue
> > > on the
> > > > wick. I have used WD-40 and it has worked well for cleaning
the
> > > smoke
> > > > units. Some were to far gone and had to be replaced. But be
> > > careful.
> > > >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46226 From: ken_5556 Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
If I remember smoke fluid was Glycerin mixed with water. The ratios
were 10%, 25%, 50%, 75% of Glycerin and the rest was distilled water.
I used to have clouds of smoke in the basement that got my Mom pretty
excited. That was a long time ago.

Now a days you could use Triethylene Glycol mixed with water. It
doesn't leave so much residue. A 25% mixture should work pretty well.
You could add some water soluble sent if you want.

Ken





--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Allan V Eisenhaur <aleisen@...>
wrote:
>
>
>
> For Those who want to make there own Smoke fluid. I found this
formula
> for American Flyer original smoke fluid in a back issue of S
Gaugian
> Magazine a fews years ago.
>
> 1 Part Cedarwood Oil ( Oil from the wood of Juniperus Virginiana )
> and 16 parts Shell Dispersol ( Kerosene Code 8233 )
>
> Since it's mostly kerosene I have used a mixture of lamp oil and
RFG's
> brand of smoke fluid. It seems to work well.
>
> Someone also mentioned WD-40. My observations of the smoke units I
have
> repaired is when the smoke fluid evaporates from long periods of
storage
> it turns to a hard pine sap consistency. In Barkers repair manual he
> suggests try using a non flammable solvent to dissolve the residue
on the
> wick. I have used WD-40 and it has worked well for cleaning the
smoke
> units. Some were to far gone and had to be replaced. But be
careful.
>
> Al
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46227 From: Edward G. Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Down-Mike-Down ..Are you ever wound up in damage control
mode ..LOL..even your spelling is showing ..But Face facts...
1.) ACG Did make his fluid out of Kero..(You know the stuff your
trying to Warn everyone that its some kind of problem if they used it)
Bad Suff..Ya ok so Im sure your grandparents had problem using their
lamps for so many years ..hummmmif it was or is so bad they would be
selling it today for ..remember its LAMPOIL..NO problem
2.)Pure Kero is derived from the distillation proccess in
manufacturing ...its just a finer Kero with a lot Less Sulfur...you
know the stuff that your saying is so Harmfull...Not..just Stinks
So if you dont like the aroma change it to some other smellum..or use
none at all.
3.)The percentages I gave are 100% True ...Unless of coarse ACG
company "Lied" to the Government of the US...beacuse I looked my info
up back in the early 70s from Gov't stats...
4.)For you to say anyone using Kero Is going down the wrong
track ...Well I think now you should look at your own switch
controls ...as it seems your going in a blind tunnel ...
hence the Damage control..thats what they were intended to use
the Facts are Plain ...They used Kero based products when they first
made trains and it is a fact today that all smoke fluids today are
still Petro based ..even yours ..doesnt matter whether its mineral
oil or solvent ..the only diff is the blend .. I too could make up
little bottles and try for big prices ..But I dont want to..I will
tell people how to make their own if they choose to do so ...





--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
>
> The reason it goes in one ear & out the other is that it is WRONG.
Anyone
> that thinks they can use Kerosce in their smkoe fluid is steering
you down the
> wrong track. I do not use it in my fluid. Unlike ALL the others
marketed, I
> refund every cent including shipping.
> Kero has some really bad stuff in it. I had it mass- spected &
will not use
> it. Some of you guys will remember when I first started.. REALLY
BAD STUFF,
> I used KERO.
> Use whatever you like, your trains are not my investment.
> Try putting my fluid on plastic & try Kero & see the results.
> As I stated before this comes up every other Christmas. Mike in
Or (The
> last guy didn't sign his name as requested time & time again)(I
have only had to
> give one refund in 8 years)
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46228 From: clayton deich Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Hi Mike, I know that you put a lot of time in to get
this right, and that's why I use your fluid. There's a
few bottles up on my work bench now, but at the time I
had picked them up I didn't know how long you would be
making the fluid up.
When I repair trains I use your smoke, and have never
had any one say they didn't like it. I will ask my
friend if he still has your smoke to see if I can drum
up - put a plug in for you. I like what you have done,
and can only say keep up the good work. One of the
bottles go a long way for me.
I may use an old smoke cartridge every now, and then
if only to feel the way I did some thirty to fourty
years back as a little boy playing with one of the
best toys ever made.


Clayton S D

--- anormal1@... wrote:

> Clayton & all,
> The fluid in the red
> capsules are different than
> the fluid that came in the glass bottles. The fluid
> in the glass bottles were
> made with Shell Kerosene 8233 I'm not sure of that
> ratio.
> My fluid is NOT made with Kerosene & is made to the
> exact ratio that
> Gilbert used.
> The Cedar Oil I use CANNOT be gotten just
> everywhere & is costly.
> Adding the PET bottles & labels & the labor to fill
> them @ $10 for 4 oz I
> make some, but not a great deal.
> I also wholesale it to about 8 dealers that stock
> it & sell it at shows.
> Again I sell it with a money back , no questions
> asked policy.
> I have at least 50+ letters from users that have
> claimed it has made their
> wicks soft & the unit works better.
> It has also been reported to smoke at a lower
> voltage & really well in the
> new L Mikado's.
> The reason I have replied to the just mix 97% Model
> T fuel with Cedar oil
> is : I have put a lot of time & effort into my
> fluid. It is not a slip shod
> mixture, but an item I have spent a lot of time on.
> And in the first trys got a
> lot of flack from my failures.
> I would never just mix up some cut rate fuel &
> cheap Cedar oil & pass it
> off to those of you that have spent either $25 or
> $2,500 for their engines.
> A person writes me wanting my fluid I ask for their
> address & it's shipped.
> Their checks get here at times days after they have
> gotten the fluid.
> On that note I have never been cheated or had a
> check bounce. I trust the
> persons that buy from me & feel they trust me not to
> just throw together a
> mixture that hasn't been tested for hrs on end.
> I hope this might put this issue to rest. But I
> don't think it will.
> The best to all that have used & then bought more.
> Good luck to the ones
> that think it is as easy as mixing 2 items together
> & it will work without
> issues.
> Mike in Ore
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46229 From: Phil K Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke fluid
OK, so I buy a gallon of pure kerosene and some cedar oil and mix it
97-to-3. I now have myself about 132oz of smoke fluid.

Will that last longer than my trains?

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 46230 From: Edward G. Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke fluid
LOLOL...Well lets just say your beard may drag the floor Phil...coarse
I dont know how many engines you have either ...I personally have at
least 60+...but with the money you saved making your own and not
buying 2 ounces for big bucks you can buy another train to use it in ..


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote:
>
> OK, so I buy a gallon of pure kerosene and some cedar oil and mix it
> 97-to-3. I now have myself about 132oz of smoke fluid.
>
> Will that last longer than my trains?
>
> Phil K
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46231 From: clayton deich Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke fluid
No Phil your train will out last all that, but you
make a good point. How long will this last with age,
and will it go bad in time? Can Kerosene go bad?

Clayton S D
--- Phil K <waldootten@...> wrote:

> OK, so I buy a gallon of pure kerosene and some
> cedar oil and mix it
> 97-to-3. I now have myself about 132oz of smoke
> fluid.
>
> Will that last longer than my trains?
>
> Phil K
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46232 From: geep39 Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Smoke Fluid-What MTH Told Me
A few years back, when I was "working in the trade", I talked to the
people at MTH (who should know something about smoke these days), and
they told me that they liked the Lehigh Valley Train Service smoke
fluid because it had no organic components in it. Apparently, that'w
where a lot of smoke unit clog-up comes from. Anybody who's taken
apart one of those old smoke units usually finds cedar smell aplenty
around the old nichrome element. If you burn up enough of that
organic stuff, it's gonna leave gum residue, which hardens and clogs
the wick. MTH liked the LVTS stuff so much, they bought it from the
guy who produced it (he's quite another story!), until he couldn't
produce enough, and Mikey threatened to sue him (what a surprise).

More Comments on Smoke:
SMOKE CAPSULES? Sheesh! It was rare, at least for me, to even find
any that were still SOFT! You can bet that they weren't designed for
any kind of shelf life, and they were certainly "limited use"--if you
could keep the remainder from spilling! Remember that even the newest
ones are approaching 50 years old! One shouldn't be defiling such
antiquities!

THE WORST SMOKE FLUID: Has to be the purple stuff made by Life-Like
in the 50's and 60's. The anise/licorice smell was a little
different, and worked OK, but left NASTY deposits on/in the smoke
units, and even CORRODED them!
Group: S-Trains Message: 46233 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke fluid
Phil,
if you mix that much fluid as I do, you wind up with 32 4oz
bottles. For most 1 bottle will last a year. But skip the KEROSENE Mike in Or
PS: That is about the size order Doug gets



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46234 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
I admitted I have a spelling issue.That was my second post. What you didn't
seem to read was that Gilbert made 2 types of fluid. The one that came in the
glass bottle & the red caps are different. Ya I went down a tunnel . but
came out the other side & saw the light. I don't feel like I'm running in
circles. But I can tell you 97% to 3% is REALLY an error. I don't know your name as
you never sign your post as requested.
I am down as you put it. I just stated a fact that you need to do QUITE a
bit of research before claiming to know how something is made. Take how water
is made. Simple just add 2 parts Hydrogen to one part oxy. Let me know how
long that takes you. Mike in Ore
PS: I read that in a magazine



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46235 From: Manderman@comcast.net Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Hey Mike,

The best part of this discussion is that it reminded me I need to order more fluid from you.

Do you still have some in the glass bottles with the glass dropper? I also forget if you can take PayPal or not.

Please let me know your current pricing and options.

Thanks

Mark Anderman

P.S. Holy fright... there are some cheap guys out there.... Just about the last thing I want to do is run around town and look for "pure" kerosene and cedar oil... I sure hope you are making a profit on your hard work and I am more than happy to contribute my few bucks every other year to that enterprise. You keep the mess and mixing at your end and I'll keep buying it fresh as I need it. And I'm sure I'm still ahead of the game buying 4 or 8 ozs. at a time.

Actually I find most discussions on this forum quite amusing.

Merry Christmas


-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: anormal1@...
> Thank You Mark, Mike
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 46236 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Mark,
No more glass . The shipping went up a bit. So 1 4oz bottle is
now 10+3 13 or 2 for $25. Yes Paypal works.
The thing that just got me was the math first it was 16:1 then 321/3:1
.
I make it just for the fun & at the time the need. This guy wants you to
just go out & mix stuff together & save $$ with no regard to your engines. Bob
Tufts let me in on it before he passed away. I trust his advice over the
mag. which I think Bob wrote talking about the stuff Gilbert put in the glass
bottles, not the red caps. It was made with the Shell product



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46237 From: dphobbies Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: New S Scale Boxcars Arrive and are shipping
Just a note at announce that we finally received (Thank you US
Customs) our previously anounced S Scale America 52' Evans double
plug door boxcar in four new paint schemes. They are BN - green,
Wisconsin Central - boxcar red, C&NW boxcar red, and GTW "The Good
Track Road" in GTW blue. All are available in four road numbers
except the C&NW which has six - this is Des Plaines remember.

Each car is $44.98 and comes with Flyer compatible trucks and
couplers installed. For the scale operators, extra wheels are in the
box as well - just like SHS.

Preorders are being shipped now.

Also, folks gently ask about the updates on the web site. When
things slow down, we hope to get to it. Don't look for any of this
new stuff to appear on the website anytime soon.

Merry Christmas

Ron
Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America
1468 Lee Street
Des Plaines, IL 60018
1-847-297-2118 fax: 1-847-297-4976
Group: S-Trains Message: 46238 From: roy inman Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Hi Mark;

I too am in need of resupply of the smoke fluid.

Please pass along your mailing address so I can send money.

Happy holidays :)

Roy Inman

From: anormal1@...
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:58:15 -0500 (EST)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Smoke Fluid


Mark,
No more glass . The shipping went up a bit. So 1 4oz bottle is
now 10+3 13 or 2 for $25. Yes Paypal works.
The thing that just got me was the math first it was 16:1 then 321/3:1
.
I make it just for the fun & at the time the need. This guy wants you to
just go out & mix stuff together & save $$ with no regard to your engines.
Bob
Tufts let me in on it before he passed away. I trust his advice over the
mag. which I think Bob wrote talking about the stuff Gilbert put in the
glass
bottles, not the red caps. It was made with the Shell product

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46239 From: innotron Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Hi all,
Just my 2 cents about smoke fluid. I have 4 different brands of smoke fluid, LVTS, BIG PUFF, ANORMAL 1 and a bottle of original A.F. smoke fluid from the 50's. In my opinion, the ANORMAL 1 smoke fluid has the closest aroma to the original and seems to produce more smoke in engines that don't smoke alot with the other fluids such as the Flyonel Docksider. I don't want 10 times as much for my money, I enjoy the convienence of a small bottle that has already lasted for years. It would seem that this is the majority opinion. It takes alot of work to make the product, bottle it and ship it for the small profit it makes in a limited market. I appreciate the fact that Mike is willing to go through that effort for us. Please don't abandon us and move to that mansion on the hill with your profits.
Alex Sibbald
Group: S-Trains Message: 46240 From: Edward G. Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Sorry to tell you that your WRONG again Mike ...you havent read it
right ..the 97% - 3% thing came right from ACG Corporate offices back
in the 50s ..Gov'T documented ..and I Do believe them over anything
you can say recieved by mouth by the Late brother R Tufts..or by a
magazine


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
>
> I admitted I have a spelling issue.That was my second post. What
you didn't
> seem to read was that Gilbert made 2 types of fluid. The one that
came in the
> glass bottle & the red caps are different. Ya I went down a
tunnel . but
> came out the other side & saw the light. I don't feel like I'm
running in
> circles. But I can tell you 97% to 3% is REALLY an error. I don't
know your name as
> you never sign your post as requested.
> I am down as you put it. I just stated a fact that you need to do
QUITE a
> bit of research before claiming to know how something is made. Take
how water
> is made. Simple just add 2 parts Hydrogen to one part oxy. Let
me know how
> long that takes you. Mike in Ore
> PS: I read that in a magazine
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46241 From: Phil K Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke fluid
Naw, Mike, I'd never mix my own. Too lazy. I have always bought, used
and recommended yours.

Plus, if we all made our own, you wouldn't have any money for candy.

Phil K

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
>
> Phil,
> if you mix that much fluid as I do, you wind up with 32
4oz
> bottles. For most 1 bottle will last a year. But skip the KEROSENE
Mike in Or
> PS: That is about the size order Doug gets
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46242 From: Jollivier4@cs.com Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: hold the smoke!!!! Help needed.
Hi guys and gals,

Heading into homestretch on the train set rebuild for my 11 year old
(Christmas is also his birthday). Down to the smoke unit. The bakelite insulation in
the upper smoke chamber was completely disintegrated. Does anyone have an
idea for a fix out in the sticks (no parts suppliers here).

Might be at the point of robbing another engine so he gets smoke on
Christmas.

Jacques in Thorp


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46243 From: Randy Giusti Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: 314aw wiring diagram needed
Greetings all. I represent a new generation to the hobby, since I have newly acquired an AF 314AW (1950 version).

I know it runs, but shortly after I demonstrated it running, 3 wires from the loco to the tender broke at the solder joints. (this is where I should blame my 4 year old, but I cannot)

Does anybody have the wiring diagram to fix this?

(Also, once I have the diagram, I imagine I would need to take apart the loco and tender to figure out which wire is which. It would be helpful if I had basic instructions for taking apart the loco and tender enough to trace the wires.)

Thank you for your time,

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46244 From: clayton deich Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke fluid
Do any of you know how long the new stuff will last
in the bottle, and I'm not talking about the use of
it? Will it go bad say if not used in two years time?

I sure liked the glass bottle, and stopper. One more
old thing to put on Ebay!

Clayton S D


--- anormal1@... wrote:

> Phil,
> if you mix that much fluid as I do, you
> wind up with 32 4oz
> bottles. For most 1 bottle will last a year. But
> skip the KEROSENE Mike in Or
> PS: That is about the size order Doug gets
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46245 From: Edward G. Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke fluid
Nawww..you mean money for Trains ...Candy rots ur teeth ...Need more
trains ..and smoke fluid to breath..LOL

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Phil K" <waldootten@...> wrote:
>
> Naw, Mike, I'd never mix my own. Too lazy. I have always bought,
used
> and recommended yours.
>
> Plus, if we all made our own, you wouldn't have any money for candy.
>
> Phil K
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@ wrote:
> >
> > Phil,
> > if you mix that much fluid as I do, you wind up with 32
> 4oz
> > bottles. For most 1 bottle will last a year. But skip the
KEROSENE
> Mike in Or
> > PS: That is about the size order Doug gets
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46246 From: Timboy Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke fluid
Hey,

I hope we don't see a clip of Charlton Heston running down the street
screaming, "SMOKE FLUID,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,IS PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!"

S-Happens!
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 46247 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Again, I don't know who I'm addressing as You do not sign your posts as asked by the rules of this list. After reading some of your posts I can understand the reason for not signing your posts. I could be in the dark as to who you are, as you might feel it not needed to let on who you are. I understand some that are in error do not want their ID's known. I do not spell every word right but do not hide my ID because I'm wrong in my spelling. But when WRONG I do not hide. Forget the Gov. but the ratio of 16:1 is not near the 97% to 3% you state. I if wrong, will stand corrected if someone with the math skills will post it.

Mike in ORE
Group: S-Trains Message: 46248 From: Phil K Date: 12/21/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
I stunk in math, but I get 32.33 to 1.

Phil K

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
>
> Again, I don't know who I'm addressing as You do not sign your
posts as asked by the rules of this list. After reading some of
your posts I can understand the reason for not signing your posts.
I could be in the dark as to who you are, as you might feel it not
needed to let on who you are. I understand some that are in error
do not want their ID's known. I do not spell every word right but
do not hide my ID because I'm wrong in my spelling. But when WRONG
I do not hide. Forget the Gov. but the ratio of 16:1 is not near the
97% to 3% you state. I if wrong, will stand corrected if someone
with the math skills will post it.
>
> Mike in ORE
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46249 From: Stumpy Stone Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Randy and Jacques...
Randy, try the Portlines Hobbies.com site. Doug has wiring diagrams
online. If you can't find your specific diagram there, try the Hobby
Surplus.com site. I have used both for reference in the past. I'm
sure you'll get suggestions from others on this list.
Jaques, aside from parts from the usual suspects, I guess your
problem would be tougher. You need a material that is easily worked to
make such a small part, yet doesn't conduct electricity and is not
affected by heat. Put on your thinking cap and turn loose your
imagination!
Not knowing what you have on hand, might I suggest you look to the
automotive or electronics world for what you need.
I'd think circuit board would work. If you have no electronics
supply like Radio Shack, try tearing apart old computers or TVs, or
even the board out of a junk car's computer.
You could make a temporary one out of thin model aviation type
plywood or other thin wood coated with or epoxy if you're
really desperate, but eventually you may start getting more smoke than
you need!
It might be crude, but effective. ;-)
Stumpy Stone...Creative Engineer...Have Dremel, Will Travel...in
Appalachia.
Group: S-Trains Message: 46250 From: barb Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Re: hold the smoke!!!! Help needed.
Hi All,

My best wishes to you all for a very Merry Christmas.

See you on the chat next year.... Barb
Group: S-Trains Message: 46251 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: C&O Hopper
I believe they are Hoppers, as I was looking at the small pictures.

My mistake!

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46252 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: EBAY ITEM!!! Warning!!!
While checking out C&O Canal items on Ebay, I see two listings for a C&O Canal Hopper.

For one, I think it is a gondola and two, I don't have the heart to tell the seller that the Canal did not have a RR. LOL Oh well, I hope someone might need a C&O Hopper, as I am not sure if this is listed on a train site, as I am not sure what scale this might be.

Actually on the C&O Canal listings are some unique 25 and 50 cents script from 1838. I have some bonds on the canal from 1841. The drawings on them are unique.

Mike Marmer
http://cgi.ebay.com/K-LINE-C-O-CANAL-RIBBED-HOPPER-138970-W-COAL-LOAD_W0QQitemZ330197870899QQihZ014QQcategoryZ28139QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46253 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke fluid
Clayton,

I can tell you I am using Super Smoke I got in 1993 as I was never a operator and it is working fine.

But when I place a order next week with Doug Peck for a few more things for the layout I will get a bottle of Mike's fluid too.

I am glad my question about smoke depositing on valuable trains has turn into a friendly discussion about math and Si Fi movies. LOL

Tim, I wonder how many people got your line about Heston! At least the smoke is not green!

Mike Marmer in Maryland, home of the Terps!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: clayton deich
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Smoke fluid


Do any of you know how long the new stuff will last
in the bottle, and I'm not talking about the use of
it? Will it go bad say if not used in two years time?

I sure liked the glass bottle, and stopper. One more
old thing to put on Ebay!

Clayton S D

--- anormal1@... wrote:

> Phil,
> if you mix that much fluid as I do, you
> wind up with 32 4oz
> bottles. For most 1 bottle will last a year. But
> skip the KEROSENE Mike in Or
> PS: That is about the size order Doug gets
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46254 From: jnr59@aol.com Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Last Call S Gaugers for MicroScale B&O Decal Orders!!!............We
Group,
Still looking for more orders for S Scale MicroScale Decal sets. We plan to
approach MicroScale and try to get them to correct errors (based upon member
input from THIS LIST) so that all gauges will benefit but we need all S
Gaugers to stand up now and put there $$ where their interest is. Below is a chart
showing where we stand so far and the calculations are only guestimates
given the level of interest so far.

PLEASE RESPOND OFF LINE TO ME AND I SHALL COPY ALL INTERESTED PERSONS TO
DATE. Please note that I have omitted respondents names purposefuly for
confidentiality.

My thanks to all who have provided us imput todate.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to ALL!

Jack Riely

DECAL SET (SEE KEY BELOW) Respondent P1 P2 P3 S1 D1 D2 D3 D4
6 6 6 3 12 12 12 4 4 4 2 2 4 8 8
6 1 2 2 2 4 4 4 10 10 10 4 2 2
GRAND TOTAL 36 44 45 12 12 3 4
At $250 per run 250 250 250 250 250 250 250
$6.94 $5.68 $5.56 $20.83 $20.83 $83.33 $62.50
KEY P1 Passenger Car Names (1949-1970); MicroScale
Catalogue#: (HO) 87-799 P2 Passenger Car Names (1949-1970); MicroScale
Catalogue#: (HO) 87-797 P3 Passenger Car Stripes (1949-1970); MicroScale
Catalogue#: (HO) 87-798 S1 Steam Locomotive (1930-1950); MicroScale Catalogue#:
(HO)87-83 D1 Diesel-GP30 Simbirst Scje,e (1962+); MicroScale
Catalogue#: (HO) 87-MC-4053 D2 Diesel-F-Units:F3, F7, ALCO FA-1, GA-2, Blue and
Gray Scheme; MicroScale Catalogue#:(HO):87-52 D3 Diesel-Modern Hoods, inclds
C&O markings (1965-1972); MicroScale Catalogue# (HO): 87-401 D4
Diesel-E-Units, Blue and Gray Scheme (1937-1960); MicroScale Catalogue#:(HO): 87-396
MicroScale Wegsite:
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46255 From: Timboy Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke fluid
Tim, I wonder how many people got your line about Heston! At least
the smoke is not green!


Hi Mike,

I don't know. I'm thinking of getting a couple cases of that smoke
fluid and using it as aftershave. I bet it's a real babe magnet! Hey
Stumpy, can you send me a copy of "Babes of Conrail"?

S-Happens!
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 46256 From: faltrain5 Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Merry Christmas!
As we all know, it is Christmas time. So, I am wishing you all a very
Merry Christmas and a wonderous New Year. It is also the time were we
all get out the old train and put it around the Christmas tree just
like our parents before us did. That old traiditional train that has
that great sentimental feeling about it, even though it is much smaller
than our other main layout somewhere else in the house.

Merry Christmas,
Geoff
Group: S-Trains Message: 46257 From: Gil Henke Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
A 16:1 ratio in percentages is approximately 94.1 & 5.88 respectively.

Gil Henke (ca1800s)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46258 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Merry Christmas!!!!!
Ho Ho Ho Ho!!!! Merry Christmas to all the great trainiacs out there! Happy Aniversary to all whose toy train love started on Christmas morn! Thanks to all of you who've enriched my enjoyment and understanding of the hobby! Thanks to all who enable us to keep 'em running!

Think about it-so many of us are running our trains at this special, magical time of the year that we have a collective vibe that's almost a force of nature. Let's remember our loved ones, those still here and those departed, who fanned the spark that started under a tree.

Merry Christmas, Happy New Year and all the best to the greatest bunch of hobbyists on the planet - John Marganski



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46259 From: Mike Rosz Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Re: Smoke fluid
I did not think there was an expiration date.
Mine was still good 4 years later.

On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:34:48 -0800 (PST) clayton deich
<uvl97222@...> writes:
Do any of you know how long the new stuff will last
in the bottle, and I'm not talking about the use of
it? Will it go bad say if not used in two years time?

I sure liked the glass bottle, and stopper. One more
old thing to put on Ebay!

Clayton S D

--- anormal1@... wrote:

> Phil,
> if you mix that much fluid as I do, you
> wind up with 32 4oz
> bottles. For most 1 bottle will last a year. But
> skip the KEROSENE Mike in Or
> PS: That is about the size order Doug gets
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46260 From: hugoroundhouse Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Christmas Train Prices
And a Merry Christmas to all from Colorado! I hope everyone has a
great holiday, but I'll be glad when the season passes and the prices
on e-bay settle back down. Whew!!
Jim E.
Group: S-Trains Message: 46261 From: Mike Rosz Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] Merry Christmas!!!!!
Amen

On Sat, 22 DEC 2007 09:23:57 -0800 (PST) john isn't eddied anymore
<drunk@yahoo. come> writes:
Ho!!!! Merry Christmas to all the great trainees out there! Happy
Anniversary to all whose toy train love started on Christmas morn! Thanks
to all of you who've enriched my enjoyment and understanding of the
hobby! Thanks to all who enable us to keep 'em running!

Think about its many of us are running our trains at this special,
magical time of the year that we have a collective vibe that's almost a
force of nature. Let's remember our loved ones, those still here and
those departed, who fanned the spark that started under a tree.

Merry Christmas, Happy New Year and all the best to the greatest bunch of
hobbyists on the planet - John Margins


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46262 From: Stephen E. Wilson Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Re: 314aw wiring diagram needed
You can look at this link and see if you find what you need.



http://www.rfgco.com/wiringdiagrams.html



If you need parts, look here.



http://www.hobbysurplus.com/xviews/310sk5HSS.asp



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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Randy Giusti
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 10:15 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] 314aw wiring diagram needed



Greetings all. I represent a new generation to the hobby, since I have newly
acquired an AF 314AW (1950 version).

I know it runs, but shortly after I demonstrated it running, 3 wires from
the loco to the tender broke at the solder joints. (this is where I should
blame my 4 year old, but I cannot)

Does anybody have the wiring diagram to fix this?

(Also, once I have the diagram, I imagine I would need to take apart the
loco and tender to figure out which wire is which. It would be helpful if I
had basic instructions for taking apart the loco and tender enough to trace
the wires.)

Thank you for your time,

rg33

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46263 From: Jim Hare Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM] RE: [S-Trains] 314aw wiring diagram needed
This helped me
Jim

http://www.portlines.com/afrepairclinics.htm

Stephen E. Wilson wrote:
>
> You can look at this link and see if you find what you need.
>
> http://www.rfgco.com/wiringdiagrams.html
> <http://www.rfgco.com/wiringdiagrams.html>
>
> If you need parts, look here.
>
> http://www.hobbysurplus.com/xviews/310sk5HSS.asp
> <http://www.hobbysurplus.com/xviews/310sk5HSS.asp>
>
> Steve
>
> _____
>
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf
> Of Randy Giusti
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 10:15 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [S-Trains] 314aw wiring diagram needed
>
> Greetings all. I represent a new generation to the hobby, since I have
> newly
> acquired an AF 314AW (1950 version).
>
> I know it runs, but shortly after I demonstrated it running, 3 wires from
> the loco to the tender broke at the solder joints. (this is where I should
> blame my 4 year old, but I cannot)
>
> Does anybody have the wiring diagram to fix this?
>
> (Also, once I have the diagram, I imagine I would need to take apart the
> loco and tender to figure out which wire is which. It would be helpful
> if I
> had basic instructions for taking apart the loco and tender enough to
> trace
> the wires.)
>
> Thank you for your time,
>
> rg33
>
> ---------------------------------
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46264 From: Timboy Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Items for trade or sale
Guys,

Forgive me if this isn't a legit use of this List and if it isn't, then
I understand if it doesn't get posted. If you don't see this posting,
then you will know that it got yanked <grin>. I have 5 sections of
American S Gauge flex track I will not be using, if anyone wants to
strike a deal with me on them. Also, I am looking for either a new or
used Lionel (yes, Lionel) American Flyer Sawmill in excellent operating
condtion. I don't care if there are any blemishes - the operative
words are "excellent operating condition". Thanks.

S-Happens!
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 46265 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/23/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46266 From: Chuck Harrington Date: 12/22/2007
Subject: Re: Train Smoke
I find it hard to believe that anyone needs enough smoke fluid to
bother to make their own.

Having said that, I have been using a bottle of the AF SMOKE by
anormal1 for a couple years. Got down to a half a bottle and was
seduced by some SUPERSMOKE Christmas tree scent at York. It will take
far too long to use up this SUPERSMOKE. Does not smoke nearly as well
in the Lionel TMCC Flyer engines, and has a strong Kerosene smell.
Would seem to be appropriate for a diesel loco, but not so much for a
Steamer. I don't smell anything Christmas tree about it either.

Having my engines smoke properly is too important to me, to mess
around with home made mixes and trying other brands. Future purchases
will be back to the anormal formula, now if I could just peddle an
almost full bottle of SUPERSMOKE Christmas tree scent!

Chuck Harrington
http://www.myflyertrains.org
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46267 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: BOILER-FRONT: FRANKLIN
What parts dealer has this part available?

BOILER-FRONT: FRANKLIN, (210)88. with headlight, painted or unpainted?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46268 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas to everyone. Me, I am in SE PA enjoying Christmas with my 90 year old parents, but suffering total train withdrawal. Ah, my first Christmas without trains in a long, long time.

BTW, I sell both the ANormal and Supersmoke smoke fluids. I recommend the SuperSmoke for the older Gilbert AF locos but heartily endorse Mike's ANormal fluid in any of the newer locos using can motos and newer smoke units.

Joe

Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613
404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338
Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer
Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46269 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: Re: Train Smoke
Chuck & others,
If it were the Anormal1 Fluid you could just
send an E-Mail & your $$ would be sent back Post Haste. NO ONE will give you
back your $$ on a bottle of fluid you do not like. I WILL.That is the biggest
issue in the Fluid market; You buy it & are stuck with it & are unhappy &
don't want to trust another brand. Ask any of the other brands if they will
refund your $$ if you are unhappy with it. I believe that you should be happy with
what you paid for & will always offer this refund: If for ANY reason you are
not happy with my fluid, You get your $$$ back!!! Inc. shipping. That's the
way it has been & always will be.
As I stated before, I refunded one persons $$ because it did not smell the
way he remembered or liked or some other reason, The reason doesn't matter.
He did not like it. He got ALL his $$ back. Mike in Ore
PS: I have, I believe said about as much as needed on this issue. & I
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46270 From: David Dewey Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: smoke unit repair
HI all,
I sent the following to Jacques, but thought maybe I should also send it
to the group!
If ya run 'em, smoke 'em!
S'
David D.
SAVE THE DELTA QUEEN!
www.save-the-delta-queen.org
Help save this American Icon, it IS up to you!
Write congress to support H. R. 3852

Jacques,
Sorry I'm taking so long to respond, but the possible solution just
struck me! Candy cardboard! I haven't bought a candy bar in years, but
things like mars bar, etc. used to have a thin cardboard "tray" inside. This
should work perfectly. You have to carefully score the folds so you don't
tear the material apart. I am assuming your problem is with the "liner
inside the smoke unit that insulates the nichrome wire from the smoke unit
body. There are two versions of this cardboard, early and late, the late
unit has the nichrome wick area parallel with the track, the insulating box
for this one is a little more complicated, but still do-able.
If your problem is the top cover, well you'd have to find some micarda board
and build a new one. An old circuit board would work. . .
Good luck in having it running for Christmas day!
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 46271 From: David Dewey Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: Merry Christmas & tonite's Chat
Hi all!
A very Merry Christmas to all here, and wish for a great New Year (with
more AF!!)
Not a sign of snow here, but one can hope! (read this Sunday's Big Nate
cartoon). While I'm posting this, PBS is showing the Christmas concert of
the Three Tenor--very season inspiring and spirit lifting! This is a great
bunch of folks here, and I wanted you to know that you are all appreciated.
Next year we won't be spending much on the trains, as we have booked what is
billed as the "Last cruise" of the Steamboat Delta Queen. A great
extravagance, yes, but our last chance if we can't get congress to act (They
can outlaw the incandecent light bulb, but can't let a National Landmark
keep running?). So far we haven't had to sell the trains to ride the boat,
so things should be back to "normal" in '09! And (Yes Barb!) that is my
deadline to start building the permanant layout!! OK, I've said it in
public, guess that's a committment!
Whew, this is getting long-winded! I will probably miss you all at chat
tonite, as happens, we have TWO parties to go to and I don't expect to be
home before 7PST. For those of you who have never made chat, give it a
try!! The postings are sometimes most irreverant, but always interesting,
and we promise to not "shoot" newcomers! :) (OK, don't wory, it's just one
of the "emoticoms" that are provided for your viewing amusement-on the old
chat (years ago) we had a "rather large trout" with which we could slap each
other; some of us still miss that feature! )
BEST WISHES TO ALL from the Dewey household on Dewey Mountain in beautiful
downtown Hurleton.
S'incerely,
Linda & David Dewey
SAVE THE DELTA QUEEN!
www.save-the-delta-queen.org
Help save this American Icon, it IS up to you!
Write congress to support H. R. 3852
Group: S-Trains Message: 46272 From: Rhett George Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: Merry Christmas
- Season's GreetingS -

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to 1:64 wonderful trains and 1:1
operators/caretakers.

CheerS,

Rhett
Group: S-Trains Message: 46273 From: dphobbies Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: New S Scale Correction & Recall
A couple days ago we started shipping the new S Scale America 52' Evans
cars. One of our good friends noticed a lettering error on the C&NW
herald. Our Chinese builder left off the n in Western so we will not
be shipping those. We did ship some Friday, but will be recalling
those as well.

A further check of the lettering in the rest of the cars revealed they
were all ok.

Sorry for the inconvenience here. the lettering was complete on the
sample, but apparently got left off in production.

Happy Holidays,

Ron Sebastian
Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America
1468 Lee Street
Des Plaines, IL 60018
1-847-297-2118 fax:1-847-297-4976
Group: S-Trains Message: 46274 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: Tonite's Chat
Can someone please send me the link to the new chat room.
I'm on my early Christmas present.........a new iMac!!

Thanks,
Rick.
Group: S-Trains Message: 46275 From: tennsgauge@aol.com Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: The Best Smoke is ? ? ?
This has been an interesting discussion about smoke fluid.

Did a concensus develop about which smoke is the best for"

1. American Flyer Steam Locos __________________ ?

2. SHS Steam Locos __________________ ?

3.. AM Steam Locos __________________ ?

4. Flyonel Mikado/Pacifics __________________ ?


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46276 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: Greenberg Building
I was in beautiful Downtown Sykesville yesterday, maybe two or three blocks long and the Greenberg Building is for sale.

This was once home to the Greenberg Publishing company and train shows.

Of course, Bruce Greenberg sold all of this off and now there is a sign in the window that the building is for sale. And you can contact Mr. Greenberg in VA, so he left living in the great state of Maryland!

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46277 From: Larry Moore Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: Merry Christmas
To the group, It is hard to believe another year is about over. I want to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and the best for the New Year. May our trains not derail, e-units function properly, and steamers bellow white smoke, regardless of the brand of fluid. Personally I use ANormal. Be safe, Larry Moore
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46278 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: Merry Christmas & tonite's Chat
I too will miss tonight's chat, as I will be watching the home team Boise
State Broncos in the Hawaii bowl football game that starts exactly at the same
time as Chat. In the event I can't slip in there during half time, I want to
wish all of my fellow chatters and lurkers on this list a Merry Christmas. We
got about 1 inch of snow last night and the forecast is for more soon. Maybe
we will have our first white Christmas in many years here. It would be nice.

Steve
SnS Trains
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46279 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/23/2007, 8:00 pm
Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group
 
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46280 From: boblines51 Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: MERRY CHRISTMAS
Just wanted to wish everybody a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Bob Persing (bobbyline parts)
Group: S-Trains Message: 46281 From: Russ Dondero Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/23/2007, 8:00 pm
Given the issue about lead paint in children's toys et
al made in China, has anyone thought about this issue
in relevance to adult toys like model trains made in
China? Granted one doesn't put our "toys" in our
mouths but I'm still curious if anyone out there has
any info. Should we start wearing gloves when we play
with our trains? I'm assuming pre-war and post war
(WW II) era Flyer may have had lead in the paint too.
Maybe Ron at AM and Don at SHS can weigh in on this...


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46282 From: roy inman Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer
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From: dcrel <droell@...>
Reply-To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:56:53 +0000
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [toytrains] American Flyer


I would like to purchase a catalog or list of all American Flyer items
that were manufactured; the items should all be pictured if possible.
Also, I am trying to Identify an S Guage set that used the 293
Locomotive and had Green Passenger Cars.

Can anyone help me with info regarding these requests?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46283 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/23/2007, 8:00 pm
I am tempted to say that if you are buying made for adult tin toys
then you already have brain damage so why worry about the chance of
lead paint! But the made for kids original stuff I am playing with
definately has the lead there in the first place, which might explain
why I grow more stupid the older I get! If you are so worried that
you have to wear gloves then give the whole thing away! The whole
lead thing is overblown. The benzine they add to petrol, now that
they can no longer use lead, is a 100 times more toxic and will kill
you quicker than anything you can ingest from your Chinese big kids
toys or have ingested from lead petrol! Alistair
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Russ Dondero <russtrainmax@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Given the issue about lead paint in children's toys et
> al made in China, has anyone thought about this issue
> in relevance to adult toys like model trains made in
> China? Granted one doesn't put our "toys" in our
> mouths but I'm still curious if anyone out there has
> any info. Should we start wearing gloves when we play
> with our trains? I'm assuming pre-war and post war
> (WW II) era Flyer may have had lead in the paint too.
> Maybe Ron at AM and Don at SHS can weigh in on this...
>
>
> Russ in Oregon
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46284 From: Al Paolozzi Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: Re: BOILER-FRONT: FRANKLIN
I would try Portlines, Doug Peck first 978-465-8798 Al
----- Original Message -----
From: HOwingsiii@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 7:48 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] BOILER-FRONT: FRANKLIN


What parts dealer has this part available?

BOILER-FRONT: FRANKLIN, (210)88. with headlight, painted or unpainted?

Harwood
Group: S-Trains Message: 46285 From: Russ Dondero Date: 12/23/2007
Subject: Lead paint redux
Benzine vs. lead. Interesting point. At 65 and still
kicking I suspect any damage I've done to myself over
years of collecting and running toy trains has already
been done! But given the issue - I was merely curious
if others had wondered. At the end of the day it's
about cost/benefit... I don't plan to sell my
trains...

--- Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote:
Group: S-Trains Message: 46286 From: jhl1963 Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Would you start with S today?
Friends, I grew up with my father's Flyer hanging above my bed, yet
never ran it. I was introduced to G when I was 6 and never ran
anything else. I recently got the itch to take up another gauge and am
deciding between O and S. While it is somewhat clear to me that back
in the day the Flyer operating access and detail surpassed Lionel,
with all of the O available today I'm wondering what you guys would
start with if you weren't already entrenched with S.

I recently had the pleasure of seeing a nice AF layout with operating
accessories running for the first time.......what a treat! While I was
not around in the 50s, it definitely made me feel like it was another
era.

Thanks fellas.
Group: S-Trains Message: 46287 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer
I know of only one. The 1954"Meteor Passenger set", and it's fairly rare.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46288 From: Scottish Shop Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Happy Christmas
Dear All,

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year from down under! Tomorrow, Christmas,
I am having a day off and plan to have a nice lunch and then run my
trains - American Flyer of course! Peace on Earth and Good Will to Everyone.

Kind Regards,
John Harvey
Beechworth, Victoria, Australia
Group: S-Trains Message: 46289 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer PS: SET #
To Unknown,
The Meteor Steam Passenger Set 1953
293, Green 953, 952, 954 Mike in Ore
PS: SET # K5328



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46290 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer
To Unknown,
The Meteor Steam Passenger Set 1953
293, Green 953, 952, 954 Mike in Ore



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46291 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: Would you start with S today?
I think you answered your own question with"WHAT A TREAT"
"A question isn't a question when you know the answer too"I can't remember
the song writer, Mike in Ore
PS: PLEASE sign your posts
As I would like to send the guy that started the thread about smoke fluid a
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46292 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer
To All,
The set Steve refers to is the K5328 with a T&M GUIDE rating of 4
& value of $1200. The cars being 952, 953, 954 in green. Mike in Ore



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46293 From: Bob Hendrickson Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: Would you start with S today?
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jhl1963" <jhl1963@...> wrote:
>
> Friends, I grew up with my father's Flyer hanging above my bed, yet
> never ran it. I was introduced to G when I was 6 and never ran
> anything else. I recently got the itch to take up another gauge and
am
> deciding between O and S. While it is somewhat clear to me that back
> in the day the Flyer operating access and detail surpassed Lionel,
> with all of the O available today I'm wondering what you guys would
> start with if you weren't already entrenched with S.
>
> I recently had the pleasure of seeing a nice AF layout with operating
> accessories running for the first time.......what a treat! While I
was
> not around in the 50s, it definitely made me feel like it was another
> era.
>
> Thanks fellas.
>Yes I would start with S today. My eyes aren't good enough to deal
with N or HO and despite all the neat stuff available today in O, that
3rd rail just rubs me the wrong way.. I enjoy running my old Flyer as
well as new products from SHS and AM and get a big kick out of building
Gold Coast/Pacific Rail Shops kits. The size is just right so that you
can still do a lot without needing a huge area and the new track
systems make good track work a breeze. It's truly a golden renaissance
age for S.
Group: S-Trains Message: 46294 From: Roy Hoffman Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: Would you start with S today?
Over the years, I've heard a lot of people say that: "If I could start
over, it would be in S gauge". Based on that and the fact that I'd be
starting out fresh, I figure S would be the choice.

Merry Christmas!
Roy Hoffman
Group: S-Trains Message: 46295 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: Would you start with S today?
Merry Christmas to All and a Happy New Year, too,



In a way I am starting over. I started with Flyer back in the 50’s; switched
to HO for a few years and then settled on N for over 30 more. When we moved
to this house, I dumped it all and started with S-gauge including American
Flyer, SHS and AM with a few Crowns and other things thrown in. I had a
layout, but it was not what I wanted. I tore it down – a common tale but
true. During that time, my wife bought me a book on toy trains and that has
fanned the fires of a further interest. Right now, I am planning a new
layout that will be about ½ Flyer with scale scenery and mostly freight
operation. The other half will be O-gauge track with small (some might say
3/16ths) mostly passenger equipment, buildings and people. The contributors
are pre-war Flyer, Ives, Hafner, a little Lionel and some Marx and Joy Line.
This side will have a decidedly tinplate feel. None of that old stuff runs
or works like new SHS or even American Models, but it does have some charm
and those toys deserve to be more than just shelf decorations.



The essence of it is that everything will be in about the same scale. I
find, as you do, that N and HO are too small for my old eyes. I work on an
elaborate O-gauge layout for a friend. The engines and rolling stock are so
long that it is hard to see a train traveling through the scenery. In his
case, we are making it work in a 20 by 38 foot area. Lacking that much
space, I find that S-scale trains (or nearly so) and S-size buildings and
people are a happy fit for me.



Of course, I also have a portable S-Gauge layout that I take to local (South
Florida) train shows. That lets me work on a section at a time when the
spirit moves me.



Good Luck,

Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of jhl1963
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 10:59 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Would you start with S today?



Friends, I grew up with my father's Flyer hanging above my bed, yet
never ran it. I was introduced to G when I was 6 and never ran
anything else. I recently got the itch to take up another gauge and am
deciding between O and S. While it is somewhat clear to me that back
in the day the Flyer operating access and detail surpassed Lionel,
with all of the O available today I'm wondering what you guys would
start with if you weren't already entrenched with S.

I recently had the pleasure of seeing a nice AF layout with operating
accessories running for the first time.......what a treat! While I was
not around in the 50s, it definitely made me feel like it was another
era.

Thanks fellas.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46296 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: Would you start with S today?
Mike,

I think that was me, when I asked about smoke fluid coating things like trains, furniture, etc. I was not worried about any health effects, more if it would ruin my train collection on the wall in the room over time. LOL (Hey, it was a O gauger who wrote me on this! But he is a good friend.)

But I will order a bottle from Doug this week.
Your smoke fluid sounds wonderful. By the way, Mike was kind enough to send me the glass urine bottle he used to experiment in making his fluid, since I collect milk bottles. I will say that this urine bottle is something unique, as milk in the end does become urine!

Thanks for the offer.

Oh, Go Terps! Beat The Beavers!!! (That hurt as the beaver is a favorite animal or extra large rodent of mine!) O:)!!!

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: anormal1@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Would you start with S today?


I think you answered your own question with"WHAT A TREAT"
"A question isn't a question when you know the answer too"I can't remember
the song writer, Mike in Ore
PS: PLEASE sign your posts
As I would like to send the guy that started the thread about smoke fluid a
bottle of mine. If you have always eaten chuck roast, Prime Rib is a treat

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46297 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: Would you start with S today?
As someone who just started a AF layout, I think S is the perfect size in a train.

There are lots things on the market for S that where not there a few years ago.

S Helper has wonderful detail engines and cars, while www.classictrains.com has wonderful solid rail track that looks very realistic.

I have a 12 x 8 foot layout, as many houses today do not have large space for a layout due to the cost of land and houses. Looking at O, I could not fit as much in this space with all the AF accessories I am using, plus some other things.

I am just amazed at this layout, as I watch a line of S Helper cars move down the line, on the classic trains track.

But only you can really decide on what to do.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: jhl1963
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 10:59 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Would you start with S today?


Friends, I grew up with my father's Flyer hanging above my bed, yet
never ran it. I was introduced to G when I was 6 and never ran
anything else. I recently got the itch to take up another gauge and am
deciding between O and S. While it is somewhat clear to me that back
in the day the Flyer operating access and detail surpassed Lionel,
with all of the O available today I'm wondering what you guys would
start with if you weren't already entrenched with S.

I recently had the pleasure of seeing a nice AF layout with operating
accessories running for the first time.......what a treat! While I was
not around in the 50s, it definitely made me feel like it was another
era.

Thanks fellas.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46298 From: clifma19@cox.net Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: Would you start with S today?
Why not run S Guage. There is more available and the service is excellent. Not all hobby shops have it but there are not all that many hobby shops in our town.
The service is excellent and those involved are as dedicated as anyone in the hobby.
I have all the typical guages but I run S Guage and Mostly American Flyer.
It has a Great History and is available in a style (type) for any taste - Hi Rail, Scale, and any variation you would like.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
Clifford Manning
Topeka, KS

---- anormal1@... wrote:
> I think you answered your own question with"WHAT A TREAT"
> "A question isn't a question when you know the answer too"I can't remember
> the song writer, Mike in Ore
> PS: PLEASE sign your posts
> As I would like to send the guy that started the thread about smoke fluid a
> bottle of mine. If you have always eaten chuck roast, Prime Rib is a treat
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46299 From: John Metzger Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: The Best Smoke is ? ? ?
I go to toys or us and buy life like brand liquid smoke fluid. It is a thiner liquid and purple in color. Works great in everything and last for ever. John Metzger.


----- Original Message ----
From: "tennsgauge@..." <tennsgauge@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:33:45 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] The Best Smoke is ? ? ?

This has been an interesting discussion about smoke fluid.

Did a concensus develop about which smoke is the best for"

1. American Flyer Steam Locos ____________ ______ ?

2. SHS Steam Locos ____________ ______ ?

3.. AM Steam Locos ____________ ______ ?

4. Flyonel Mikado/Pacifics ____________ ______ ?


- Earl Henry, Nashville, TN

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46300 From: frank emiro Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: The Best Smoke is ? ? ?
John, that is good to know. I need to check it out.

John Metzger <johnm_63379@...> wrote: I go to toys or us and buy life like brand liquid smoke fluid. It is a thiner liquid and purple in color. Works great in everything and last for ever. John Metzger.

----- Original Message ----
From: "tennsgauge@..." <tennsgauge@...>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:33:45 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] The Best Smoke is ? ? ?

This has been an interesting discussion about smoke fluid.

Did a concensus develop about which smoke is the best for"

1. American Flyer Steam Locos ____________ ______ ?

2. SHS Steam Locos ____________ ______ ?

3.. AM Steam Locos ____________ ______ ?

4. Flyonel Mikado/Pacifics ____________ ______ ?

- Earl Henry, Nashville, TN
Group: S-Trains Message: 46301 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: The Best Smoke is ? ? ?
I always used LVTS smoke until it became unavailable.
I've been very happy with Anormal 1's smoke fluid.

Rick.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46302 From: Greg Klein Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Movie - "The Man Who Saved Christmas"
Holiday TV Viewing - "The Man Who Saved Christmas," the early years of
A.C. Gilbert's life, will be broadcast on Lifetime Movie Network (LMN)
at 4:20 pm EST today, December 24. On DISH broadcasting this is
channel 109.

Hope you and your family will have time to watch this wonderful movie.

Happy Holidays to All.

Greg
Group: S-Trains Message: 46303 From: hjsheff Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: Would you start with S today?
I have been doing train shows strictly in S for several years now with a small layout and
tables of S. The comment that I hear at every show from some people the HO guys is that
if they had it to do over again they would go to S.

Howard Sheffield
Howard' S Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 46304 From: Glenn Sarlitto Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: 12B Transormer Question
I need to replace the electrical cord. What type wire should I use?

Does it need to be aluminum?

Will regular copper lamp cord be OK?

Thanks in advance,

Glenn Sarlitto
Group: S-Trains Message: 46305 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: Would you start with S today?
Mike ,
as long as ya leave the Ducks alone, Mike in Ore



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46306 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer Question
Only use an Appliance rated replacement cord like used on coffee makers etc.

These are rated for High temperature and use neoprene rubber.

Most hardware store or Lowes etc. carry them. You can cut off the connector
that would plug into the appliance and strip and tin it to solder into the
transformer's internal connections.

Carl




-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Glenn Sarlitto
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 1:58 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] 12B Transormer Question


I need to replace the electrical cord. What type wire should I use?

Does it need to be aluminum?

Will regular copper lamp cord be OK?

Thanks in advance,

Glenn Sarlitto



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46307 From: Robert Boring Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: Would you start with S today?
Howard, What I tell those people that say "If I didn't have all that HO----" is to quickly get it on E-Bay and sell it before the rest of the HO crowd gets smart then use the profit to buy S stuff. <VBG>

Have a Merry Christmas.
Bob Boring
----- Original Message -----
From: hjsheff
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 10:32 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Would you start with S today?


I have been doing train shows strictly in S for several years now with a small layout and
tables of S. The comment that I hear at every show from some people the HO guys is that
if they had it to do over again they would go to S.

Howard Sheffield
Howard' S Trains





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46308 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer Question
Or you can order one from Doug Peck. Reas. Price & the right size. Mike in
Ore
Group: S-Trains Message: 46309 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: 12B Transormer Question
Glenn,
NEVER, NEVER use alum. wire for anything electrical. Get a
copper replacement from a supplier like Doug Peck. Mike in Ore
PS: I have replaced whole wiring systems in houses that were wired with
alum. wire
Group: S-Trains Message: 46310 From: Glenn Sarlitto Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: 12B Transormer Question
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
>
> Glenn,
> NEVER, NEVER use alum. wire for anything electrical. Get
a
> copper replacement from a supplier like Doug Peck. Mike in Ore
> PS: I have replaced whole wiring systems in houses that were wired
with
> alum. wire
>


Thanks for the tip. Just wanted to make sure.

Glenn
Group: S-Trains Message: 46311 From: Robert Graves Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer
In 1954, it was sold as set #K5436T, and in 1955 as #120.

Bob


anormal1@... wrote:
To All,
The set Steve refers to is the K5328 with a T&M GUIDE rating of 4
& value of $1200. The cars being 952, 953, 954 in green. Mike in Ore

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46312 From: Glenn Sarlitto Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer Question
Carl,

Thanks for the response. I went to a local hardware store and asked
for appliance rated as you suggested. They told me that 16-2 copper
would suffice. Will this work OK?

Thanks in advance,

Glenn






--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Tuveson" <carl@...> wrote:
>
> Only use an Appliance rated replacement cord like used on coffee
makers etc.
>
> These are rated for High temperature and use neoprene rubber.
>
> Most hardware store or Lowes etc. carry them. You can cut off the
connector
> that would plug into the appliance and strip and tin it to solder
into the
> transformer's internal connections.
>
> Carl
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of Glenn Sarlitto
> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 1:58 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] 12B Transormer Question
>
>
> I need to replace the electrical cord. What type wire should I use?
>
> Does it need to be aluminum?
>
> Will regular copper lamp cord be OK?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Glenn Sarlitto
>
>
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://S-Scale.org/albums
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46313 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: 12B Transormer Question
My advice is to never use aluminum wire for any train
related item. While the exposed wire in the old cord
may look silvery in color it is due to the coating of
solder or tin to make it easier to solder to the
terminals inside the transformer. Lamp cord is often
not sufficiently sized as a conductor to give me
comfort as a transformer supply cord. I usually buy an
extension cord of either 14 AWG or 16 AWG depending
upon the wattage rating of the transformer. Cut off
the socket end of the extension cord, then solder to
the same terminals inside the transformer where the
old cord has been removed. Make sure to use solder
with the flux built in or get separate flux and use it
while coating the ends of the wire with solder
("tinning") before trying to solder the new wires to
the terminals.

Ask more questions if you are unsure, do not fool
around with the 120 VAC as it can seriously hurt or
kill if not done correctly.

If there is enough of the original cord to reveal upon
close inspection that one side of the insulation is
ribbed and the other is smooth, then the new cord
should be connected with the ribbed side connected to
the same place the old ribbed insulated wire was
connected and smooth to smooth.

Bill Drake

37 years of electrical engineering and
55 years of American Flyer engineering
now in Central Virginia

--- Glenn Sarlitto <sgauger2000@...> wrote:

> I need to replace the electrical cord. What type
> wire should I use?
>
> Does it need to be aluminum?
>
> Will regular copper lamp cord be OK?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Glenn Sarlitto
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46314 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer Question
Glenn,

Yes it will probably be ok if it is neoprene rubber, not plastic or vinyl.

Replacement appliance cords will already have the plug end wired.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Glenn Sarlitto
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 7:23 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 12B Transformer Question


Carl,

Thanks for the response. I went to a local hardware store and asked
for appliance rated as you suggested. They told me that 16-2 copper
would suffice. Will this work OK?

Thanks in advance,

Glenn






--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Tuveson" <carl@...> wrote:
>
> Only use an Appliance rated replacement cord like used on coffee
makers etc.
>
> These are rated for High temperature and use neoprene rubber.
>
> Most hardware store or Lowes etc. carry them. You can cut off the
connector
> that would plug into the appliance and strip and tin it to solder
into the
> transformer's internal connections.
>
> Carl
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of Glenn Sarlitto
> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 1:58 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] 12B Transormer Question
>
>
> I need to replace the electrical cord. What type wire should I use?
>
> Does it need to be aluminum?
>
> Will regular copper lamp cord be OK?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Glenn Sarlitto
>
>
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://S-Scale.org/albums
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 46315 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer
The 1954 set K5436T
The 1953 set K5328 Mike iin Ore



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46316 From: Don Thompson Date: 12/24/2007
Subject: Re: New S Scale Correction & Recall
Dear Ron,
Even real railroad missed letters. I will happily take some of the
missing "n"s. Maybe I can tell everyone that you did what I did with
our 2nd Kahn's car and missed the second 'r' in Refrigerator. It is
very funny when you think about it as I have spelled that word more than
any other in artwork.
Best,
Don
PS Merrry Christmas....

dphobbies wrote:

> A couple days ago we started shipping the new S Scale America 52' Evans
> cars. One of our good friends noticed a lettering error on the C&NW
> herald. Our Chinese builder left off the n in Western so we will not
> be shipping those. We did ship some Friday, but will be recalling
> those as well.
>
> A further check of the lettering in the rest of the cars revealed they
> were all ok.
>
> Sorry for the inconvenience here. the lettering was complete on the
> sample, but apparently got left off in production.
>
> Happy Holidays,
>
> Ron Sebastian
> Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America
> 1468 Lee Street
> Des Plaines, IL 60018
> 1-847-297-2118 fax:1-847-297-4976
>
>




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Group: S-Trains Message: 46317 From: Don Thompson Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/23/2007, 8:00 pm
We had asked Mr. Ting about lead years ago and were told that they
were given a yearly certificate from the paint mfg. that there paint was
lead free. The company that makes our products also make toys, about
half the production is toys the other half is trains. Mike and I had
lunch with Mr. Ting right after the lead problems were first reported.
He told us that things had changed and there were now required to have
each shipment of paint certified to be lead free.
Best,
Don
PS Ron at AM uses the same builder in China.

Russ Dondero wrote:

>
> Given the issue about lead paint in children's toys et
> al made in China, has anyone thought about this issue
> in relevance to adult toys like model trains made in
> China? Granted one doesn't put our "toys" in our
> mouths but I'm still curious if anyone out there has
> any info. Should we start wearing gloves when we play
> with our trains? I'm assuming pre-war and post war
> (WW II) era Flyer may have had lead in the paint too.
> Maybe Ron at AM and Don at SHS can weigh in on this...
>
>
> Russ in Oregon
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46318 From: Scale S Only Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: Would you start with S today?
Hi all --

I think all this "If I had it to do over again..." business only shows that
S is the better size in comparison to what they have tried. It does not
show that it is the better size to start with (even though it probably is).
The reason so few start with S, particularly scale S, is cost and
availablity. There are VERY few parents willing to spend the kind of money
that a starter S set costs, so HO or N gets the nod (IF they buy trains at
all for their kids), even if there are S trains on display (very unlikely).
Once started, changing scales can be challenging (until you try it), and I
would doubt that many kids who start with trains continue long enough to
even get to such a decision. What is needed is the S set running in the
store -- lots of stores -- to get things moving in the "right" direction.
Were it not for the big department stores of yore, do you think that Lionel
and American Flyer would have been house hold names? Get S sets into
Walmart and the like and I bet things will start happening. Unfortunately,
that takes a lot of money and risk. It would take an Atlas or Athearn
(Horizon Hobby Dist) or similar to take on such a task. I think we need to
ask Santa for his help here...

Merry Christmas!
Bill Winans
Prescott Valley, AZ


I have been doing train shows strictly in S for several years now with a
small layout and
tables of S. The comment that I hear at every show from some people the HO
guys is that
if they had it to do over again they would go to S.

Howard Sheffield
Howard' S Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 46319 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: 12B Transormer Question
Related question: New cords have a plug that only plugs in one way. How do you tell which way to install such a cord?
Done right two such transformers would always be "in phase". But, done wrong you would not be able to have them "in phase", so it needs to be done right or you would need to take it apart and do it over.
Is there an easy way to tell if you are doing it right?

jfred


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46320 From: Bill Lane Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Merry Christmas - Something Different
Merry Christmas All,





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With any luck we may be in the house buying way in 2008. We can get a big
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46321 From: Ruth A Leahy Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Merry Christmas
As it is Christmas morning and the snow is now falling on Boulder, Colorado, I thought is was time I wished everyone a Merry Christmas. It has been an exciting year reading all your posts about American Flyer Trains. What a great source of information we share with each other through this group. May we all have a healthy, happy New Year with our families!

Thanks,

Mike Leahy
Group: S-Trains Message: 46322 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: Would you start with S today?
And, Wal-Mart would NOT make space for an operating display like we had in stores of yore.

jfred

Scale S Only <scalesonly@...> wrote: Hi all --

I think all this "If I had it to do over again..." business only shows that
S is the better size in comparison to what they have tried. It does not
show that it is the better size to start with (even though it probably is).
The reason so few start with S, particularly scale S, is cost and
availablity. There are VERY few parents willing to spend the kind of money
that a starter S set costs, so HO or N gets the nod (IF they buy trains at
all for their kids), even if there are S trains on display (very unlikely).
Once started, changing scales can be challenging (until you try it), and I
would doubt that many kids who start with trains continue long enough to
even get to such a decision. What is needed is the S set running in the
store -- lots of stores -- to get things moving in the "right" direction.
Were it not for the big department stores of yore, do you think that Lionel
and American Flyer would have been house hold names? Get S sets into
Walmart and the like and I bet things will start happening. Unfortunately,
that takes a lot of money and risk. It would take an Atlas or Athearn
(Horizon Hobby Dist) or similar to take on such a task. I think we need to
ask Santa for his help here...

Merry Christmas!
Bill Winans
Prescott Valley, AZ

I have been doing train shows strictly in S for several years now with a
small layout and
tables of S. The comment that I hear at every show from some people the HO
guys is that
if they had it to do over again they would go to S.

Howard Sheffield
Howard' S Trains






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Group: S-Trains Message: 46323 From: Glenn Sarlitto Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
In keeping with a Christmas and Santa theme, per se and from what I
understand, when replacing transformer cords you must use non-polarized
plugs.

Can somebody explain in layman terms why this is so?


Merry Christmas,


Glenn
Group: S-Trains Message: 46324 From: Jeff Silvera Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Merry "S"mas to all !!!
To all a Good night! Keeping those American Flyer's running...

Happy New Year Jeff S......
Group: S-Trains Message: 46325 From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: 12B Transormer Question
I use 14/2 lamp cord for my transformers. I use black for Lionel
transformers and grey for American Flyer,when I can Find it! Home Depot carries
various colors and gauges of wire for sale by the foot .There are plugs that look
old school on the market but they are hard to find and they are much safer
than the replacement plugs of old. I think some supplier of train parts sells a
Lionel repro plug with the L logo.



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46326 From: Al Paolozzi Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
So that when you phase the transformers you can plug it in the right way to be in phase. I hope that makes sense to all. and a Merry Christmas to ALL!
Al Paolozzi in sunny but windy Nevada.
----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Sarlitto
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 8:19 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs



In keeping with a Christmas and Santa theme, per se and from what I
understand, when replacing transformer cords you must use non-polarized
plugs.

Can somebody explain in layman terms why this is so?

Merry Christmas,

Glenn





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46327 From: clayton deich Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
I'm going to gess at this one. It's like a door bell
transformer there is no wrong way, and there is no
ground. Make sure you put the UL knot inside the
transformer. You don't want the cord pulling out of
the transformer live - 110 V


Clayton S. D.



--- Glenn Sarlitto <sgauger2000@...> wrote:

>
> In keeping with a Christmas and Santa theme, per se
> and from what I
> understand, when replacing transformer cords you
> must use non-polarized
> plugs.
>
> Can somebody explain in layman terms why this is so?
>
>
>
> Merry Christmas,
>
>
> Glenn
>
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46328 From: George Cohn Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
Glenn Sarlitto wrote:
>
>
>
> In keeping with a Christmas and Santa theme, per se and from what I
> understand, when replacing transformer cords you must use non-polarized
> plugs.
>
> Can somebody explain in layman terms why this is so?

By using a non-polarized plug, you can turn one plug over for multiple
transformer setups to get them phased correctly. However, as I recall,
most of the two prong outlets during the '50's and even early '60's had
two slots of the same width so apparently they didn't think it important
enough to polarize plugs.

The whole idea behind a polarized plug is to get the white or "neutral"
side on the wide blade. This side commonly connects to the ground buss
in the utility panel. Note: If the white wire is broken in a cord and
the device has a metal case, any shorts inside the case must pass
through you to get to ground!

The purpose of the 3 wire grounding plug was that anything that shorted
to a metal case would connect to the ground buss in the utility panel
instead of passing through the person. AF transformers and most modern
two wire tools have insulation that prevents the user from coming into
contact with anything carrying 110 volt line voltage.

If you had two identical transformers and were using the polarized cord
sets, it would only be important to get them both wired to the same
wires in each transformer. There is a ridge or stripe on the wire that
connects to the wider blade.

I just took a No. 22004 transformer apart and the line cord is soldered
onto a fiber terminal strip. Assuming the factory wound the
transformers in the same direction, it would only be necessary to get
the striped or ridged wire on the same terminal in each transformer for
them to be phased properly.

-
George Cohn
Playing with Flyer since 1952
Group: S-Trains Message: 46329 From: Robert Graves Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
Amen to that! My sentiments exactly. I'm very thankful that Gale introduced me to this group. May you all have a blessed Christmas, Hanukkah, or whatever you're celebrating, and may the New Year be a blessing to you and all around you!

There's no snow here in San Diego, but I'm very happy for Mike and all of you who enjoy it. I'm enjoying the sunshine and rejoicing that we didn't go to Minneapolis for Christmas this year!

Bob


Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> wrote: As it is Christmas morning and the snow is now falling on Boulder, Colorado, I thought is was time I wished everyone a Merry Christmas. It has been an exciting year reading all your posts about American Flyer Trains. What a great source of information we share with each other through this group. May we all have a healthy, happy New Year with our families!

Thanks,

Mike Leahy





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46330 From: HOwingsiii@aol.com Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Merry Christmas To All !
Just want to wish all in the group a Merry Christmas and Happy Holiday and a
safe & prosperous New Year. Have good health and a fun year with "S" trains.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46331 From: Robert Graves Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer Question
I used the cord off a burned out hair drier on one of my transformers, and have another in reserve for the next transformer that needs one. It's very heavy duty wire and has a circuit breaker built into the plug. I figured that was more than safe, but all this discussion is making me wonder. Did I do a no-no?


Carl Tuveson <carl@...> wrote:
Glenn,

Yes it will probably be ok if it is neoprene rubber, not plastic or vinyl.

Replacement appliance cords will already have the plug end wired.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Glenn Sarlitto
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 7:23 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 12B Transformer Question

Carl,

Thanks for the response. I went to a local hardware store and asked
for appliance rated as you suggested. They told me that 16-2 copper
would suffice. Will this work OK?

Thanks in advance,

Glenn

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Tuveson" <carl@...> wrote:
>
> Only use an Appliance rated replacement cord like used on coffee
makers etc.
>
> These are rated for High temperature and use neoprene rubber.
>
> Most hardware store or Lowes etc. carry them. You can cut off the
connector
> that would plug into the appliance and strip and tin it to solder
into the
> transformer's internal connections.
>
> Carl
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of Glenn Sarlitto
> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 1:58 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] 12B Transormer Question
>
>
> I need to replace the electrical cord. What type wire should I use?
>
> Does it need to be aluminum?
>
> Will regular copper lamp cord be OK?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Glenn Sarlitto
>
>
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://S-Scale.org/albums
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46332 From: harvey tatel Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: log loader screw
Does anyone have the cpindle screw on the bottom of
the 757 log loader which makes the arm go up and down
and load the logs?


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46333 From: jhl1963 Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Thanks! Re: Would you start with S today?
Thanks guys, between your comments and a TMC American flyer movie I
think I'm going to pull the trigger and do a modest S layout. A feq
questions:

1 - Is there any particularly good layout book?
2 - Is there anybody who specializes in restoring older locos? (more
mechanical than cosmetic)
3 - What sort of space is suggested - I have heard with O gauge 9 x 11
is enough to make things interesting.....what about for S?


Thanks!

Jordan
Group: S-Trains Message: 46334 From: Glenn Sarlitto Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Christmas Trains
Merry Christmas All!

Here's a few Christmas Trains found on YOU TUBE. The first two aren't
Flyer but I sure do think they're still worth the view and listen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9MRpfzzXfU&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9zENglYXe0&feature=related


Flyer Trains

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yOJuvZrp7E


Glenn Sarlitto
Group: S-Trains Message: 46335 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Run the flyer because it has sentimental value
I have and run all different scales. If you are mainly interested in
running trains. The larger, the better, more room for motors,
electronics. nothing will run like G scale and/or the new MTH, Atlas,
etc.
Three rail, may not be prototypical, but it will save a lot of wiring and
headaches. If you are interested in scale, true to life modeling, you
will like S-scale, the new equipment runs very well. I am sure this
comment will generate and lot of hard feelings with the Gilbert A.F flyer
group, but Gilbert quit building in "66". 40 year old technology, and
most operators are masters on repairing them to keep them running.
I just sold my 1965 Kaiser CJ 3B ( Willis ) Jeep, it just became to much
to keep on the road compared with all the new SUV, things like power
steering & brakes, AC, 35 mph, windshield wipers, etc etc.
Jerry HR 77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 46336 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: our albums at .org
Can someone please send me the address?

Thanks!

Rick.
Group: S-Trains Message: 46337 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: our albums at .org
I found it through Paul's site.

Rick.

>
> Can someone please send me the address?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Rick.
Group: S-Trains Message: 46338 From: Bob Hendrickson Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Thanks! Re: Would you start with S today?
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jhl1963" <jhl1963@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks guys, between your comments and a TMC American flyer movie I
> think I'm going to pull the trigger and do a modest S layout. A feq
> questions:
>
> 1 - Is there any particularly good layout book?
> 2 - Is there anybody who specializes in restoring older locos? (more
> mechanical than cosmetic)
> 3 - What sort of space is suggested - I have heard with O gauge 9 x
11
> is enough to make things interesting.....what about for S?
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jordan
> Jordan, you can find some great layout suggestions on the All Guage
Model Railroading page for sizes starting at only 4x6 and going up from
there. The diagrams also feature some 3 dimensional views and accessory
placement ideas. Most of the early Flyer layout designs were based on a
5x9 ping pong table size.


Bob
Group: S-Trains Message: 46339 From: Bob Hendrickson Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Thanks! Re: Would you start with S today?
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jhl1963" <jhl1963@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks guys, between your comments and a TMC American flyer movie I
> think I'm going to pull the trigger and do a modest S layout. A feq
> questions:
>
> 1 - Is there any particularly good layout book?
> 2 - Is there anybody who specializes in restoring older locos? (more
> mechanical than cosmetic)
> 3 - What sort of space is suggested - I have heard with O gauge 9 x
11
> is enough to make things interesting.....what about for S?
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jordan
> Jordan, you can find some great layout suggestions on the All Guage
Model Railroading page for sizes starting at only 4x6 and going up from
there. The diagrams also feature some 3 dimensional views and accessory
placement ideas. Most of the early Flyer layout designs were based on a
5x9 ping pong table size.


Bob
Group: S-Trains Message: 46340 From: innotron Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: Thanks! Re: Would you start with S today?
Hi Jordan,
Welcome to S, the best scale. I have an 8 X 10 table with 4 mainlines and two passing sidings on two levels. Since my layout is for the enjoyment of myself and my grandkids, I still have some lego buildings and don't do anything prototypical. However it was featured on the cover of the July Dispatch, the magazine of the NASG (which you should consider joining). If you want to see the layout, it is under Alex's layout in the photo section of the S-Trains yahoo site. I create my scenery in dioramas that I add as they are completed. I still have a long way to go. With that being said, if I were to do another layout it would go around the wall for easier access and more room for layout without the walkaround space needed for a table layout.
Best of luck,
Alex Sibbald

----- Original Message -----
From: jhl1963
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 10:18 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Thanks! Re: Would you start with S today?


Thanks guys, between your comments and a TMC American flyer movie I
think I'm going to pull the trigger and do a modest S layout. A feq
questions:

1 - Is there any particularly good layout book?
2 - Is there anybody who specializes in restoring older locos? (more
mechanical than cosmetic)
3 - What sort of space is suggested - I have heard with O gauge 9 x 11
is enough to make things interesting.....what about for S?

Thanks!

Jordan





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46341 From: roy inman Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
Hey Mike, one of my favorite songs is "A Colorado Christmas" by the Nitty
Gritty Dirt Band. Played it year-round when we lived in Parker for three,
way to short years.

Merry Christmas :)

Roy Inman

From: Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...>
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 08:13:20 -0700 (MST)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Merry Christmas


As it is Christmas morning and the snow is now falling on Boulder, Colorado,
I thought is was time I wished everyone a Merry Christmas. It has been an
exciting year reading all your posts about American Flyer Trains. What a
great source of information we share with each other through this group.
May we all have a healthy, happy New Year with our families!

Thanks,

Mike Leahy





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46342 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
Glenn-

Non polarized plugs are for electrical devices that
are "double insulated". This means that no part of the
device that you can come in contact with in normal use
is in any way connected electrically to either side of
the plug. Therefore plugging it in either way doesn't
matter. With three prong plugs or polarized plugs, the
idea is that any part that you can come in contact
with is connected with the neutral or the ground parts
of the plug. The advantage to this is of course cost.
Newer devices that use the polarized plugs save some
money by not needing a three prong plug. The danger is
still there since not all house (or office) wiring was
done carefully and may expose the user to live
connections.

American Flyer transformers were double insulated so
don't need a polarized or a three prong plug for safe
operation. However, as several of the posts have
pointed out, if you need to use more than one
transformer to power the layout and the two will share
part of the circuitry, then the transformers must be
both connected with the sixty cycles operating in the
same direction or phase. Sometimes this means
reversing the plug and with a polarized plug it would
mean opening the transformer case and unsoldering and
resoldering the wires to the opposite connection
places.

Unphased transformer connections appear to be shorts
to the electrons and nothing much will work except the
circuit breakers.

Bill Drake
ee_train@...

setting up a Flyer layout for the first time in 10
years in central Virginia
--- Glenn Sarlitto <sgauger2000@...> wrote:

>
> In keeping with a Christmas and Santa theme, per se
> and from what I
> understand, when replacing transformer cords you
> must use non-polarized
> plugs.
>
> Can somebody explain in layman terms why this is so?
>
>
>
> Merry Christmas,
>
>
> Glenn
>
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46343 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: 12B Transformer Question
Robert-

As long as you got the circuit breaker into the "line"
side of the circuitry, you should have a safer setup
than a straight cord.

Bill Drake

--- Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote:

> I used the cord off a burned out hair drier on one
> of my transformers, and have another in reserve for
> the next transformer that needs one. It's very
> heavy duty wire and has a circuit breaker built into
> the plug. I figured that was more than safe, but
> all this discussion is making me wonder. Did I do a
> no-no?
>
>
> Carl Tuveson <carl@...> wrote:
> Glenn,
>
> Yes it will probably be ok if it is neoprene rubber,
> not plastic or vinyl.
>
> Replacement appliance cords will already have the
> plug end wired.
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of Glenn Sarlitto
> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 7:23 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 12B Transformer Question
>
> Carl,
>
> Thanks for the response. I went to a local hardware
> store and asked
> for appliance rated as you suggested. They told me
> that 16-2 copper
> would suffice. Will this work OK?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Glenn
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Tuveson"
> <carl@...> wrote:
> >
> > Only use an Appliance rated replacement cord like
> used on coffee
> makers etc.
> >
> > These are rated for High temperature and use
> neoprene rubber.
> >
> > Most hardware store or Lowes etc. carry them. You
> can cut off the
> connector
> > that would plug into the appliance and strip and
> tin it to solder
> into the
> > transformer's internal connections.
> >
> > Carl
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On
> > Behalf Of Glenn Sarlitto
> > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 1:58 PM
> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [S-Trains] 12B Transormer Question
> >
> >
> > I need to replace the electrical cord. What type
> wire should I use?
> >
> > Does it need to be aluminum?
> >
> > Will regular copper lamp cord be OK?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Glenn Sarlitto
> >
> >
> >
> > Enjoy thousands of great photos
> > at http://S-Scale.org/albums
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46344 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: Thanks! Re: Would you start with S today?
Hi Jordan,



Check the Showcase Line web site. They have a book of SHS track plans that
are pretty good and so is their S-Trax. Look on the track page at the Track
Planning guide.



http://www.showcaseline.com/



Happy New Year,

Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of jhl1963
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 1:19 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Thanks! Re: Would you start with S today?



Thanks guys, between your comments and a TMC American flyer movie I
think I'm going to pull the trigger and do a modest S layout. A feq
questions:

1 - Is there any particularly good layout book?
2 - Is there anybody who specializes in restoring older locos? (more
mechanical than cosmetic)
3 - What sort of space is suggested - I have heard with O gauge 9 x 11
is enough to make things interesting.....what about for S?

Thanks!

Jordan





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46345 From: Phil K Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Merry Christmas to all
Let me take time during these holidays to wish everyone good cheer and
a very Merry Christmas -- even to our misguided three-rail friends.

Ho ho ho!

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 46346 From: John Degnan Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: NIMCO Model Railroad Supplies
Anyone remember Nimco's products? When were they in business? How well were their products made? I have one of their hoppers, but I know nothing about it - it came with no paperwork.


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46347 From: Crpntr12449@aol.com Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Christmas Trains
Thanks, Glenn, for the links to the train videos. It sure makes one feel
good to know that someone else is enjoying Christmas running trains. I've spent
the whole day on mine. MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY! ! ! !


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46348 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Christmas Trains etc. on Youtube
I was pretty surprised the other day when I did a search on Youtube,
and saw quite a few American Flyer trains, and others.
Neat. I may be adding some footage myself.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL!!!

Rick.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46349 From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
If you get a polorized plug with your cord just file it to match the non
polorized prong. And as someone has said it doesn't matter which wire you use
AC does not use a ground. It is a hot wire and a neutral wire. Old
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46350 From: wjchadbourne Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Merry Christmas To All !
A very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to each and every one of you
great train enthusiasts. I hope that the coming year will be the very
best you have ever had and that no trains de-rail on your layouts.
BTW Have any of you noticed the figures that come with the Thomas
Kinkade houses. My wife has the set of houses that are placed on the
mantle top and the figures look to be just about fight for us S
gaugers. I have been able to locate a few of them by looking at various
Kinkade sources, but just wondered who makes them and how we could get
our hands on them for layouts. They are very well done.
Thanks
Warren Chadbourne in very snowy North Idaho
Group: S-Trains Message: 46351 From: Scale S Only Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: Kinkade figures
Hi Warren --

Do you the Vic Chervens, Sr. and Jr.? They are in Bonner's Ferry area...

Happy New Year!
Bill Winans
Prescott Valley, AZ


Warren Chadbourne in very snowy North Idaho
Group: S-Trains Message: 46352 From: Robert Graves Date: 12/25/2007
Subject: More floor runner pix in my S-Friends Gallery
I've added my latest (really cool!) floor runner layouts and a new gallery of trains from around our Christmas tree the last three years:

http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/theupstairstrain/

Enjoy!

I trust you all ran your trains today and ate too much. I did! Nice family day.

Bob


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46353 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: I want to try the turn out for 148 AM track that will work with SCAL
So guys I need the name of the manufacturer and your feed back if it does work?

I would also like feed back the AM Crossovers as well.

Thanks in Advance.

Jim Sleeth
Group: S-Trains Message: 46355 From: Bill Clark Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: I want to try the turn out for 148 AM track that will work with
Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork:

http://www.tomsturnouts.com/index.html

Bill

At 03:43 AM 12/26/2007, JAMES SLEETH wrote:

>So guys I need the name of the manufacturer and your feed back if it
>does work?
>
>I would also like feed back the AM Crossovers as well.
>
>Thanks in Advance.
>
>Jim Sleeth
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46356 From: Al Baker Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions
1. When I use the as directed 6 drops of smoke fluid, it burns out
quite quickly - is it normal to have to refill frequently?
2. Is it normal for a lot of residue from smoke to be deposited on the
boiler after running it a little while? It makes the boiler wet with
residue - have I over filled it with smoke fluid?
3. Will the residue hurt the paint (I am using Anormal's fluid)?
4. We all know old ACG AC steamers work just fine on DC. Will the
Flyonel Mikado run on DC? What about Railsounds - does it damage it?
5. How are the whistle & horn activated - do the button units have
circuitry that sends DC down the line? Where is an explanation about
how this works?

Thanks in advance.
Happy New Year!
Al Baker in Portland
Group: S-Trains Message: 46357 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions
Al,

The Mikado's Seuthe smoke unit is one of the weak features of the AF/L
Mikado. It works well but uses up the fluid a few minutes and SHOULD
NOT BE RUN DRY.

It can be damaged if run dry and smoke volume will be diminished or not
work at all.

The unit can splatter a bit but A-normal's fluid should not damage the
paint. I use it in mine and have had no damage. Wipe it down after a
running session and the remaining fluid will evaporate off of the
boiler.

Do not run the Mikado on DC. It will damage the Railsounds board. Also
TMCC needs the AC to trigger the triacs in the motor driver electronics
etc.

Conventional whistle and bell triggering is done by superimposing a
small DC voltage on the AC track voltage. One polarity triggers the
whistle and the reverse polarity for the bell. In TMCC mode it is
triggered by the Cab-1 remote.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Al Baker
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:47 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions

1. When I use the as directed 6 drops of smoke fluid, it burns out
quite quickly - is it normal to have to refill frequently?
2. Is it normal for a lot of residue from smoke to be deposited on the
boiler after running it a little while? It makes the boiler wet with
residue - have I over filled it with smoke fluid?
3. Will the residue hurt the paint (I am using Anormal's fluid)?
4. We all know old ACG AC steamers work just fine on DC. Will the
Flyonel Mikado run on DC? What about Railsounds - does it damage it?
5. How are the whistle & horn activated - do the button units have
circuitry that sends DC down the line? Where is an explanation about
how this works?

Thanks in advance.
Happy New Year!
Al Baker in Portland



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46358 From: Al Baker Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions
Thank you Carl for the great info!!
Al Baker



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Tuveson" <carl@...> wrote:
>
> Al,
>
> The Mikado's Seuthe smoke unit is one of the weak features of the
AF/L
> Mikado. It works well but uses up the fluid a few minutes and
SHOULD
> NOT BE RUN DRY.
>
> It can be damaged if run dry and smoke volume will be diminished or
not
> work at all.
>
> The unit can splatter a bit but A-normal's fluid should not damage
the
> paint. I use it in mine and have had no damage. Wipe it down after a
> running session and the remaining fluid will evaporate off of the
> boiler.
>
> Do not run the Mikado on DC. It will damage the Railsounds board.
Also
> TMCC needs the AC to trigger the triacs in the motor driver
electronics
> etc.
>
> Conventional whistle and bell triggering is done by superimposing a
> small DC voltage on the AC track voltage. One polarity triggers the
> whistle and the reverse polarity for the bell. In TMCC mode it is
> triggered by the Cab-1 remote.
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Al Baker
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:47 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions
>
> 1. When I use the as directed 6 drops of smoke fluid, it burns out
> quite quickly - is it normal to have to refill frequently?
> 2. Is it normal for a lot of residue from smoke to be deposited on
the
> boiler after running it a little while? It makes the boiler wet
with
> residue - have I over filled it with smoke fluid?
> 3. Will the residue hurt the paint (I am using Anormal's fluid)?
> 4. We all know old ACG AC steamers work just fine on DC. Will the
> Flyonel Mikado run on DC? What about Railsounds - does it damage
it?
> 5. How are the whistle & horn activated - do the button units have
> circuitry that sends DC down the line? Where is an explanation
about
> how this works?
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Happy New Year!
> Al Baker in Portland
>
>
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://S-Scale.org/albums
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46359 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions
This isn't a question, but it is notable. The "cherry" switch in my Mikado
has just gone South for the third time.... Adios to the _sound.......#@$&*$_

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46360 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions
Ahh.. The other weak point in the Mikado.

I wonder if it is just out of adjustment?

It is a teeny weeny switch. (It should have been an opto or hall effect
device.)

Carl

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Behalf Of boss31@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 2:29 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions

This isn't a question, but it is notable. The "cherry" switch in my
Mikado
has just gone South for the third time.... Adios to the
_sound.......#@$&*$_

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46361 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
OK the all that think that the wire that came on their transformers was not
polarized, Get out your MAG. Glass' & look real close. I looked at a few &
there is a definite difference as to the wires . If you look you will see one
has some ridges.
Not to the person that said to file off the wider blade/spade of the plug.
Why not take off your front bumper of your car. You don't use it but rarely..
It is there for a reason.
As soon as I can get one of mine open & look for which PRIMARY wire the
ribbed wire goes to I'll let everyone know what I have found.
There may be some out there that know the RULE of coils. It is called the
right hand rule & the way the coil is wrapped around a core will be like
wrapping a coil of wire around your right hand. With your hand flat & your palm up
wrapping wire from your thumb as a starting point & wrapping around in a
counter clockwise motion & going towards the tips will determan the correct
polarity of the coil. This is used mostly & but not only for selinod plunger
thrust.
If using one transformer there is really no need to know which is the hot
& the neutral leads. BUT in polarizing or PHASING 2 or more it is NEEDED.
As the right hand rule another with a greater knowledge of it should
chime in.
YES my spelling stinks. But I have yet to burn anything down with poor
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46362 From: Rosie Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer
"Standard catalog of America nFlyer Trains" by David Doyle, is what you want. It is the complete listing, with photographs, almost 400 pages, of everything American Flyer. Call LeBlanc Trains at 718-727-6126 and ask for George...............



----- Original Message -----
From: roy inman
To: S-Trains
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 7:40 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] FW: [toytrains] American Flyer




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From: dcrel <droell@...>
Reply-To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:56:53 +0000
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [toytrains] American Flyer

I would like to purchase a catalog or list of all American Flyer items
that were manufactured; the items should all be pictured if possible.
Also, I am trying to Identify an S Guage set that used the 293
Locomotive and had Green Passenger Cars.

Can anyone help me with info regarding these requests?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46363 From: George Cohn Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer
Rosie wrote:
>
>
> "Standard catalog of America nFlyer Trains" by David Doyle, is what you
> want. It is the complete listing, with photographs, almost 400 pages, of
> everything American Flyer. Call LeBlanc Trains at 718-727-6126 and ask
> for George...............
>

Got that book for Christmas! It's got a lot of neat photos.

I did some research on some of my train sets and the No. 20540
Merchandiser set I received for Christmas in 1958 is worth a small
fortune according to that book.

I have a couple of my childhood Christmas present sets where I managed
to keep the boxes and cartons when I stored them away.

We have a local train museum where folks can drop in on Wednesday
evenings to "run what you bring." I offered to join one time if they
would let me work on their pitiful AF layout but they were sort of nasty
and said I would have to work on the Lionel and G stuff, too.

Wonder what they would say if I brought the 20540 set to run? ;-)

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 46364 From: Dave Highfield Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer
I found the best price on Amazon.com and by ordering another item I wanted,
received free shipping. Shop around.
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rosie
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 5:21 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] FW: [toytrains] American Flyer

"Standard catalog of America nFlyer Trains" by David Doyle, is what you
want. It is the complete listing, with photographs, almost 400 pages, of
everything American Flyer. Call LeBlanc Trains at 718-727-6126 and ask for
George...............



----- Original Message -----
From: roy inman
To: S-Trains
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 7:40 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] FW: [toytrains] American Flyer




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From: dcrel <droell@...>
Reply-To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:56:53 +0000
To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [toytrains] American Flyer

I would like to purchase a catalog or list of all American Flyer items
that were manufactured; the items should all be pictured if possible.
Also, I am trying to Identify an S Guage set that used the 293
Locomotive and had Green Passenger Cars.

Can anyone help me with info regarding these requests?

****************

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46365 From: Rosie Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer
George did offer the book at a good price. Then again, I like to support my
local hobby shop.


From: "Dave Highfield" <davidh@...>
To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 6:03 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] FW: [toytrains] American Flyer


>I found the best price on Amazon.com and by ordering another item I wanted,
> received free shipping. Shop around.
> Dave
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46366 From: Randall Hicks Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: NIMCO Model Railroad Supplies
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Degnan" <Scaler164@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone remember Nimco's products? When were they in business? How
well were their products made? I have one of their hoppers, but I
know nothing about it - it came with no paperwork.
>

As I recall, Nimco had a good reputation - I built a couple of Nimco
wooden car kits and purchased their trucks for scale conversion, and
still have them. Nimco also made loco kits but I never had the money
to buy one. It probably went out of business in the late 60's; I'd
have to look through my old S Gauge Heralds to come up with a more
definite answer.

Randall Hicks
Group: S-Trains Message: 46367 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Big "L"
In a story filed Wednesday, Dec. 19, Dow Jones Newswires reported on Lionel's efforts to emerge from Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Lionel recently reached a tentative settlement in its legal battle with rival MTH Electric Trains. Terms of the settlement were not disclosed, but the deal hinges on Lionel emerging from bankruptcy by the end of March 2008. On Dec. 17, Lionel's attorneys told the bankruptcy court that Lionel had not yet found financial backing that would allow it to move ahead with the settlement. According to Dow Jones, Lionel may be the latest in a number of companies that have encountered difficulties in exiting bankruptcy due to tight credit markets. Jerry Calabrese, Lionel's chief executive officer, told the wire service that the company remains committed to finding a long-term investor who shares the company's vision of its future.

From:
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December 26, 2007



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46368 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
OK,
Some say there is no difference in the older plugs that had the same
size slots. If you have one of these you will see that one side of the plug
in has copper colored screws & the other has silver or chromed screws. The
copper get the HOT wires wired to them & the silver always had the White or
Nutural wires scred to them.
Now why would they go through all this trouble & COST if it did not matter.
It does matter.
It's like hot water is on the left side & cold is on the right side.
Always, unless someone doesn't think it matters. Try taking a shower where someone
has mixed the pipes around.
Touch the hot side & ground & you get shocked. Touch the White or neutral
side & ground, no shock.
I have brand new items with 2 blades on the plug in & the wire has a white
thin line on it. The reason. To protect the co that made it from guys that
file off the wider blade.
If you put that much effort into filing the blade, just change the wall
outlet. They make new 2 slotted wall outlets for a wider bladed plug. There is
no ground. Only change to the grounded type if you can supply a ground wire.
This is not hard to do.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46369 From: clayton deich Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
Mike all of my transformers with OEM plugs have no
screws, this makes me think the one you are looking at
was a repair at one time. The repair pluge were used
for table lamps, and the colored screws would need to
be done right.
The screw part of that light is the Nutural the
center part in the light socket is the hot side with
less area for you to get shocked. If you turn this
around you could get shocked for the reason the you
may be the ground at some point.

Clayton





--- anormal1@... wrote:

> OK,
> Some say there is no difference in the older
> plugs that had the same
> size slots. If you have one of these you will see
> that one side of the plug
> in has copper colored screws & the other has silver
> or chromed screws. The
> copper get the HOT wires wired to them & the silver
> always had the White or
> Nutural wires scred to them.
> Now why would they go through all this trouble &
> COST if it did not matter.
> It does matter.
> It's like hot water is on the left side & cold is
> on the right side.
> Always, unless someone doesn't think it matters. Try
> taking a shower where someone
> has mixed the pipes around.
> Touch the hot side & ground & you get shocked.
> Touch the White or neutral
> side & ground, no shock.
> I have brand new items with 2 blades on the plug in
> & the wire has a white
> thin line on it. The reason. To protect the co that
> made it from guys that
> file off the wider blade.
> If you put that much effort into filing the blade,
> just change the wall
> outlet. They make new 2 slotted wall outlets for a
> wider bladed plug. There is
> no ground. Only change to the grounded type if you
> can supply a ground wire.
> This is not hard to do.
>
>
> Mike in ORE (where it does matter)
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46370 From: chasesmithus Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: I want to try the turn out for 148 AM track that will work with
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, JAMES SLEETH <aztecfan@...> wrote:
>
> So guys I need the name of the manufacturer and your feed back if it
does work?
>
> I would also like feed back the AM Crossovers as well.
>
> Thanks in Advance.
>
> Jim Sleeth
>
AM turnouts work great for AF or hirail. If you run scale on the
diverging route you need to insert a shim between the guard rail and
main curved rail. Thia is per instructions packed with mine when I
bought them. I tried it and it works. Scale goes thru fine on the
straight route as is. Only the diverging roust needs the shim. I
made my shim removeable so I could use the siding for either scale or
hirail, just not both at the same time.
Group: S-Trains Message: 46371 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
Clayton,
I should have said wall receptacle for "Plug" I was talking
about the Copper & silver screws on the recptacals in the wall. They were all
polarized. The red/copper for the hot & the silver for the white or neutral
wires in the walls.
Group: S-Trains Message: 46372 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/26/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
That is true, but the wall wiring was kept the same through out the system.
That's why they then changed to the wider blade on the plug you used to plug
into the wall. I've checked some of my 1 1/2 transformers & the wires are
marked. Mike
Group: S-Trains Message: 46373 From: clayton deich Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
I have five transformers going at the same time, and
I know that you need to turn the plug to fined the
right way for all of them to work right. As a kid I
was running more then one, and I think my dad told me
why it was not working right. I seem to rember that
this is in the yellow book that was put out by AF.
I looked at the wire of the 8b transformer that I
just put a new cord on, and the two wires are silver
in color. I don't see any mark or line on the rubber.
I would say You would need to run one Polarized plug,
and one not the new Polarized. By doing this you still
have the can change the one so they work.
Who knows if they were all made the same any way at
the Gilbert Co. Also all the people that put them
together could of done them there way for speed.
UL rules change - upgrades come as they run in to
thing. Look at the big " L " and there new
transformers they are putting out now.


Clayton


--- anormal1@... wrote:

> Clayton,
> I should have said wall receptacle
> for "Plug" I was talking
> about the Copper & silver screws on the recptacals
> in the wall. They were all
> polarized. The red/copper for the hot & the silver
> for the white or neutral
> wires in the walls.
>
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46374 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Photos of my 2007 Christmas Layout/Village
Here's a few. I'm sure I'll be adding more, I always do!!

http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer/bassflyer_008/

Rick.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46375 From: beebear Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Photos of my 2007 Christmas Layout/Village
Hi Rick

The pictures of your village look really good!! Very Christmas like

John Frankforther


----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Evans
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 12:26 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Photos of my 2007 Christmas Layout/Village


Here's a few. I'm sure I'll be adding more, I always do!!

http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer/bassflyer_008/

Rick.
Group: S-Trains Message: 46376 From: clayton deich Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Photos of my 2007 Christmas Layout/Village
Nice photos John!

Clayton S.D.





--- beebear <beebear@...> wrote:

> Hi Rick
>
> The pictures of your village look really good!! Very
> Christmas like
>
> John Frankforther
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick Evans
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 12:26 AM
> Subject: [S-Trains] Photos of my 2007 Christmas
> Layout/Village
>
>
> Here's a few. I'm sure I'll be adding more, I
> always do!!
>
>
>
http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer/bassflyer_008/
>
> Rick.
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46377 From: barb Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Photos of my 2007 Christmas Layout/Village
Rick,

The Christmas layout looks fabulous. You've added so much
more! Are the figures also from Lemax?

Great job and such fun to look at.... Barb

-----Original Message-----
>From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...>
>Sent: Dec 27, 2007 12:26 AM
>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [S-Trains] Photos of my 2007 Christmas Layout/Village
>
>Here's a few. I'm sure I'll be adding more, I always do!!
>
>http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/bassflyer/bassflyer/bassflyer_008/
>
>Rick.
>
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>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46378 From: rbubeck327@aol.com Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3897
Because the smoke units are Seuthe(TM) units, the best fluid to use in
the Lionel Flyer Mikado and Pacific is LGB smoke fluid, which is
specifically formulated for this type of smoke unit. It has a low vapor
point and leaves no residue. Refills are required often regardless of
the fluid used. Save your 'anormal' fluid for your other engines.

Bob Bubeck



-----Original Message-----
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To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 5:56 am
Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 3897

>>Is it normal for a lot of residue from smoke to be deposited on the
boiler after running it a little while? It makes the boiler wet with
residue - have I over filled it with smoke fluid? Will the residue hurt
the paint (I am using Anormal's fluid)?<<






























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1a.

I want to try the turn out for 148 AM track that will work with SCAL
From:
JAMES SLEETH
1b.

I want to try the turn out for 148 AM track that will work with SCAL
From:
JAMES SLEETH
1c.

Re: I want to try the turn out for 148 AM track that will work with
From:
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1d.

Re: I want to try the turn out for 148 AM track that will work with
From:
chasesmithus


2a.

Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions
From:
Al Baker
2b.

Re: Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions
From:
Carl Tuveson
2c.

Re: Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions
From:
Al Baker
2d.

Re: Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions
From:
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2e.

Re: Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions
From:
Carl Tuveson


3a.

Re: Polarized  vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
From:
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3b.

Re: Polarized  vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
From:
anormal1@...
3c.

Re: Polarized  vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
From:
clayton deich
3d.

Re: Polarized  vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
From:
anormal1@...
3e.

Re: Polarized  vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
From:
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4a.

Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer
From:
Rosie
4b.

Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer
From:
George Cohn
4c.

Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer
From:
Dave Highfield
4d.

Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer
From:
Rosie


5a.

Re: NIMCO Model Railroad Supplies
From:
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6.

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aztecfan



Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:09 am (PST)


So guys I need the name of the manufacturer and your feed
back if it does work?



I would also like feed back the AM Crossovers as well.



Thanks in Advance.



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SCAL

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aztecfan



Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:09 am (PST)


So guys I need the name of the manufacturer and your feed
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I would also like feed back the AM Crossovers as well.



Thanks in Advance.



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Re: I want to try the turn out for 148 AM track that will work
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Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:10 am (PST)


Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork:



http://www.tomsturnouts.com/index.html



Bill



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>So guys I need the name of the manufacturer and your feed back if it

>does work?

>

>I would also like feed back the AM Crossovers as well.

>

>Thanks in Advance.

>

>Jim Sleeth

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Re: I want to try the turn out for 148 AM track that will work
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Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:08 pm (PST)


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, JAMES SLEETH .> wrote:

>

> So guys I need the name of the manufacturer and your feed back if it

does work?

>

> I would also like feed back the AM Crossovers as well.

>

> Thanks in Advance.

>

> Jim Sleeth

>

AM turnouts work great for AF or hirail. If you run scale on the

diverging route you need to insert a shim between the guard rail and

main curved rail. Thia is per instructions packed with mine when I

bought them. I tried it and it works. Scale goes thru fine on the

straight route as is. Only the diverging roust needs the shim. I

made my shim removeable so I could use the siding for either scale or

hirail, just not both at the same time.







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Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions

Posted by: "Al Baker"
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alhbaker



Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:48 am (PST)


1. When I use the as directed 6 drops of smoke fluid, it
burns out

quite quickly - is it normal to have to refill frequently?

2. Is it normal for a lot of residue from smoke to be deposited on the

boiler after running it a little while? It makes the boiler wet with

residue - have I over filled it with smoke fluid?

3. Will the residue hurt the paint (I am using Anormal's fluid)?

4. We all know old ACG AC steamers work just fine on DC. Will the

Flyonel Mikado run on DC? What about Railsounds - does it damage it?

5. How are the whistle & horn activated - do the button units have

circuitry that sends DC down the line? Where is an explanation about

how this works?



Thanks in advance.

Happy New Year!

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Re: Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions

Posted by: "Carl Tuveson"
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carl4flyer



Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:08 am (PST)


Al,



The Mikado's Seuthe smoke unit is one of the weak features of the AF/L

Mikado. It works well but uses up the fluid a few minutes and SHOULD

NOT BE RUN DRY.



It can be damaged if run dry and smoke volume will be diminished or not

work at all.



The unit can splatter a bit but A-normal's fluid should not damage the

paint. I use it in mine and have had no damage. Wipe it down after a

running session and the remaining fluid will evaporate off of the

boiler.



Do not run the Mikado on DC. It will damage the Railsounds board. Also

TMCC needs the AC to trigger the triacs in the motor driver electronics

etc.



Conventional whistle and bell triggering is done by superimposing a

small DC voltage on the AC track voltage. One polarity triggers the

whistle and the reverse polarity for the bell. In TMCC mode it is

triggered by the Cab-1 remote.



Carl



-----Original Message-----

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Behalf Of Al Baker

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:47 PM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions



1. When I use the as directed 6 drops of smoke fluid, it burns out

quite quickly - is it normal to have to refill frequently?

2. Is it normal for a lot of residue from smoke to be deposited on the

boiler after running it a little while? It makes the boiler wet with

residue - have I over filled it with smoke fluid?

3. Will the residue hurt the paint (I am using Anormal's fluid)?

4. We all know old ACG AC steamers work just fine on DC. Will the

Flyonel Mikado run on DC? What about Railsounds - does it damage it?

5. How are the whistle & horn activated - do the button units have

circuitry that sends DC down the line? Where is an explanation about

how this works?



Thanks in advance.

Happy New Year!

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Re: Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions

Posted by: "Al Baker"
albaker33@...
 

alhbaker



Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:01 am (PST)


Thank you Carl for the great info!!

Al Baker



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Tuveson" wrote:

>

> Al,

>

> The Mikado's Seuthe smoke unit is one of the weak features of the

AF/L

> Mikado. It works well but uses up the fluid a few minutes and

SHOULD

> NOT BE RUN DRY.

>

> It can be damaged if run dry and smoke volume will be diminished or

not

> work at all.

>

> The unit can splatter a bit but A-normal's fluid should not damage

the

> paint. I use it in mine and have had no damage. Wipe it down after a

> running session and the remaining fluid will evaporate off of the

> boiler.

>

> Do not run the Mikado on DC. It will damage the Railsounds board.

Also

> TMCC needs the AC to trigger the triacs in the motor driver

electronics

> etc.

>

> Conventional whistle and bell triggering is done by superimposing a

> small DC voltage on the AC track voltage. One polarity triggers the

> whistle and the reverse polarity for the bell. In TMCC mode it is

> triggered by the Cab-1 remote.

>

> Carl

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On

> Behalf Of Al Baker

> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:47 PM

> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions

>

> 1. When I use the as directed 6 drops of smoke fluid, it burns out

> quite quickly - is it normal to have to refill frequently?

> 2. Is it normal for a lot of residue from smoke to be deposited on

the

> boiler after running it a little while? It makes the boiler wet

with

> residue - have I over filled it with smoke fluid?

> 3. Will the residue hurt the paint (I am using Anormal's fluid)?

> 4. We all know old ACG AC steamers work just fine on DC. Will the

> Flyonel Mikado run on DC? What about Railsounds - does it damage

it?

> 5. How are the whistle & horn activated - do the button units have

> circuitry that sends DC down the line? Where is an explanation

about

> how this works?

>

> Thanks in advance.

> Happy New Year!

> Al Baker in Portland

>

>

>

> Enjoy thousands of great photos

> at http://S-Scale.org/albums

> Yahoo! Groups Links

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Re: Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions

Posted by: "boss31@..."
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snstrains



Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:32 am (PST)


This isn't a question, but it is notable. The "cherry"
switch in my Mikado

has just gone South for the third time.... Adios to the
_sound.......#@$&*$_



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Re: Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions

Posted by: "Carl Tuveson"
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carl4flyer



Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:36 am (PST)


Ahh.. The other weak point in the Mikado.



I wonder if it is just out of adjustment?



It is a teeny weeny switch. (It should have been an opto or hall effect

device.)



Carl



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Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions



This isn't a question, but it is notable. The "cherry" switch in my

Mikado

has just gone South for the third time.... Adios to the

_sound.......#@$&*$_



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Re: Polarized  vs. Non-Polarized Plugs

Posted by: "anormal1@..."
anormal1@...
 

anormal11



Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:25 pm (PST)


OK the all that think that the wire that came on their
transformers was not

polarized, Get out your MAG. Glass' & look real close. I looked at a
few &

there is a definite difference as to the wires . If you look you will
see one

has some ridges.

Not to the person that said to file off the wider blade/spade of the
plug.

Why not take off your front bumper of your car. You don't use it but
rarely..

It is there for a reason.

As soon as I can get one of mine open & look for which PRIMARY wire
the

ribbed wire goes to I'll let everyone know what I have found.

There may be some out there that know the RULE of coils. It is called
the

right hand rule & the way the coil is wrapped around a core will be
like

wrapping a coil of wire around your right hand. With your hand flat &
your palm up

wrapping wire from your thumb as a starting point & wrapping around in
a

counter clockwise motion & going towards the tips will determan the
correct

polarity of the coil. This is used mostly & but not only for selinod
plunger

thrust.

If using one transformer there is really no need to know which is
the hot

& the neutral leads. BUT in polarizing or PHASING 2 or more it is
NEEDED.

As the right hand rule another with a greater knowledge of it
should

chime in.

YES my spelling stinks. But I have yet to burn anything down with
poor

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Re: Polarized  vs. Non-Polarized Plugs

Posted by: "anormal1@..."
anormal1@...
 

anormal11



Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:10 pm (PST)


OK,

Some say there is no difference in the older plugs that had the
same

size slots. If you have one of these you will see that one side of the
plug

in has copper colored screws & the other has silver or chromed screws.
The

copper get the HOT wires wired to them & the silver always had the
White or

Nutural wires scred to them.

Now why would they go through all this trouble & COST if it did not
matter.

It does matter.

It's like hot water is on the left side & cold is on the right side.

Always, unless someone doesn't think it matters. Try taking a shower
where someone

has mixed the pipes around.

Touch the hot side & ground & you get shocked. Touch the White or
neutral

side & ground, no shock.

I have brand new items with 2 blades on the plug in & the wire has a
white

thin line on it. The reason. To protect the co that made it from guys
that

file off the wider blade.

If you put that much effort into filing the blade, just change the
wall

outlet. They make new 2 slotted wall outlets for a wider bladed plug.
There is

no ground. Only change to the grounded type if you can supply a ground
wire.

This is not hard to do.




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Re: Polarized  vs. Non-Polarized Plugs

Posted by: "clayton deich"
uvl97222@...
 

uvl97222



Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:55 pm (PST)


Mike all of my transformers with OEM plugs have no

screws, this makes me think the one you are looking at

was a repair at one time. The repair pluge were used

for table lamps, and the colored screws would need to

be done right.

The screw part of that light is the Nutural the

center part in the light socket is the hot side with

less area for you to get shocked. If you turn this

around you could get shocked for the reason the you

may be the ground at some point.



Clayton



--- anormal1@... wrote:



> OK,

> Some say there is no difference in the older

> plugs that had the same

> size slots. If you have one of these you will see

> that one side of the plug

> in has copper colored screws & the other has silver

> or chromed screws. The

> copper get the HOT wires wired to them & the silver

> always had the White or

> Nutural wires scred to them.

> Now why would they go through all this trouble &

> COST if it did not matter.

> It does matter.

> It's like hot water is on the left side & cold is

> on the right side.

> Always, unless someone doesn't think it matters. Try

> taking a shower where someone

> has mixed the pipes around.

> Touch the hot side & ground & you get shocked.

> Touch the White or neutral

> side & ground, no shock.

> I have brand new items with 2 blades on the plug in

> & the wire has a white

> thin line on it. The reason. To protect the co that

> made it from guys that

> file off the wider blade.

> If you put that much effort into filing the blade,

> just change the wall

> outlet. They make new 2 slotted wall outlets for a

> wider bladed plug. There is

> no ground. Only change to the grounded type if you

> can supply a ground wire.

> This is not hard to do.

>

>

> Mike in ORE (where it does matter)

>

>

>

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Re: Polarized  vs. Non-Polarized Plugs

Posted by: "anormal1@..."
anormal1@...
 

anormal11



Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:09 pm (PST)


Clayton,

I should have said wall receptacle for "Plug" I was
talking

about the Copper & silver screws on the recptacals in the wall. They
were all

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Re: Polarized  vs. Non-Polarized Plugs

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anormal1@...
 

anormal11



Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:09 pm (PST)


That is true, but the wall wiring was kept the same through
out the system.

That's why they then changed to the wider blade on the plug you used to
plug

into the wall. I've checked some of my 1 1/2 transformers & the wires
are

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Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer

Posted by: "Rosie"
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obcc124



Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:25 pm (PST)


"Standard catalog of America nFlyer Trains" by David Doyle,
is what you want. It is the complete listing, with photographs, almost
400 pages, of everything American Flyer. Call LeBlanc Trains at
718-727-6126 and ask for George...............



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Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 7:40 PM

Subject: [S-Trains] FW: [toytrains] American Flyer



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Reply-To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com

Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:56:53 +0000

To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [toytrains] American Flyer



I would like to purchase a catalog or list of all American Flyer items

that were manufactured; the items should all be pictured if possible.

Also, I am trying to Identify an S Guage set that used the 293

Locomotive and had Green Passenger Cars.



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Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer

Posted by: "George Cohn"
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gwescoyh



Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:11 pm (PST)


Rosie wrote:

>

>

> "Standard catalog of America nFlyer Trains" by David Doyle, is what
you

> want. It is the complete listing, with photographs, almost 400 pages,
of

> everything American Flyer. Call LeBlanc Trains at 718-727-6126 and
ask

> for George...............

>



Got that book for Christmas! It's got a lot of neat photos.



I did some research on some of my train sets and the No. 20540

Merchandiser set I received for Christmas in 1958 is worth a small

fortune according to that book.



I have a couple of my childhood Christmas present sets where I managed

to keep the boxes and cartons when I stored them away.



We have a local train museum where folks can drop in on Wednesday

evenings to "run what you bring." I offered to join one time if they

would let me work on their pitiful AF layout but they were sort of
nasty

and said I would have to work on the Lionel and G stuff, too.



Wonder what they would say if I brought the 20540 set to run? ;-)



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Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer

Posted by: "Dave Highfield"
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davidhighf



Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:11 pm (PST)


I found the best price on Amazon.com and by ordering
another item I wanted,

received free shipping. Shop around.

Dave



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Behalf

Of Rosie

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 5:21 PM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] FW: [toytrains] American Flyer



"Standard catalog of America nFlyer Trains" by David Doyle, is what you

want. It is the complete listing, with photographs, almost 400 pages, of

everything American Flyer. Call LeBlanc Trains at 718-727-6126 and ask
for

George...............



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From: roy inman

To: S-Trains

Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 7:40 PM

Subject: [S-Trains] FW: [toytrains] American Flyer



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Reply-To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com

Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:56:53 +0000

To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [toytrains] American Flyer



I would like to purchase a catalog or list of all American Flyer items

that were manufactured; the items should all be pictured if possible.

Also, I am trying to Identify an S Guage set that used the 293

Locomotive and had Green Passenger Cars.



Can anyone help me with info regarding these requests?



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Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer

Posted by: "Rosie"
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obcc124



Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:02 pm (PST)


George did offer the book at a good price. Then again, I
like to support my

local hobby shop.



From: "Dave Highfield" davidh@...>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 6:03 PM

Subject: RE: [S-Trains] FW: [toytrains] American Flyer



>I found the best price on Amazon.com and by ordering another item I
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> received free shipping. Shop around.

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Re: NIMCO Model Railroad Supplies

Posted by: "Randall Hicks"
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rhicks308



Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:03 pm (PST)


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Degnan" ..> wrote:

>

> Anyone remember Nimco's products? When were they in business? How

well were their products made? I have one of their hoppers, but I

know nothing about it - it came with no paperwork.

>



As I recall, Nimco had a good reputation - I built a couple of Nimco

wooden car kits and purchased their trucks for scale conversion, and

still have them. Nimco also made loco kits but I never had the money

to buy one. It probably went out of business in the late 60's; I'd

have to look through my old S Gauge Heralds to come up with a more

definite answer.



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jfred436



Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:10 pm (PST)






In a story filed Wednesday, Dec. 19, Dow Jones Newswires reported on
Lionel's efforts to emerge from Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Lionel recently
reached a tentative settlement in its legal battle with rival MTH
Electric Trains. Terms of the settlement were not disclosed, but the
deal hinges on Lionel emerging from bankruptcy by the end of March
2008. On Dec. 17, Lionel's attorneys told the bankruptcy court that
Lionel had not yet found financial backing that would allow it to move
ahead with the settlement. According to Dow Jones, Lionel may be the
latest in a number of companies that have encountered difficulties in
exiting bankruptcy due to tight credit markets. Jerry Calabrese,
Lionel's chief executive officer, told the wire service that the
company remains committed to finding a long-term investor who shares
the company's vision of its future.



From:

Classic Toy Trains Newsletter

December 26, 2007








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Group: S-Trains Message: 46379 From: Robert Board Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Train Smoke
As a manufacturer of "SUPERSMOKE" since 1979, we do not and have never
used Kerosene in our blend of Smoke Fluids.

Bart's Pneumatics Corp.
Robert Board
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46380 From: David Dewey Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3897
George,
You wrote, "Wonder what they would say if I brought the 20540 set to run?
;-)"
Probably nothing, they're 0 folks, and likely have no idea of the rarity of
your set! It's good to keep them that way, as they sometimes give us S folks
great bargins!
:)
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 46381 From: George Cohn Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: FW: [toytrains] American Flyer
David Dewey wrote:
>
>
> George,
> You wrote, "Wonder what they would say if I brought the 20540 set to run?
> ;-)"
> Probably nothing, they're 0 folks, and likely have no idea of the rarity of
> your set! It's good to keep them that way, as they sometimes give us S
> folks
> great bargins!
> :)
> S'

LOL! My wife and I visited the museum
http://gpdtoytrainmuseum.com/toytrains/ during one of their public
promotions in November. There was a guy about my age at the AF display
running an American Models S train so I stopped to talk to him.

He told me that the owners were really Lionel guys and only tolerated
the AF and S stuff because a couple of the members brought in their own
stuff to display and run. He's the one who told me about the "run what
you bring" nights.

I really wish their was someone with an AF layout nearby as it would be
fun to run some of my stuff somewhere besides on the floor. I just
don't have any room anywhere for a permanent layout.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 46382 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: [toytrains] American Flyer
Hi George,

There are 6 NASG members
in the Tucson area. If you are
in the NASG you can find the in
the August Dispatch or online
at http://www.nasg.org

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: George Cohn
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] FW: [toytrains] American Flyer


David Dewey wrote:
>
>
> George,
> You wrote, "Wonder what they would say if I brought the 20540 set to run?
> ;-)"
> Probably nothing, they're 0 folks, and likely have no idea of the rarity of
> your set! It's good to keep them that way, as they sometimes give us S
> folks
> great bargins!
> :)
> S'

LOL! My wife and I visited the museum
http://gpdtoytrainmuseum.com/toytrains/ during one of their public
promotions in November. There was a guy about my age at the AF display
running an American Models S train so I stopped to talk to him.

He told me that the owners were really Lionel guys and only tolerated
the AF and S stuff because a couple of the members brought in their own
stuff to display and run. He's the one who told me about the "run what
you bring" nights.

I really wish their was someone with an AF layout nearby as it would be
fun to run some of my stuff somewhere besides on the floor. I just
don't have any room anywhere for a permanent layout.

George Cohn




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Group: S-Trains Message: 46383 From: Steve Lunde Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions
Has anybody found a source for these switches other than through Lionel?

Steve Lunde

boss31@... wrote:

> This isn't a question, but it is notable. The "cherry" switch in my
> Mikado
> has just gone South for the third time.... Adios to the
> _sound.......#@$&*$_
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46384 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions
Food for thought..

If you travel 3750 feet (Not Scale feet) with the Mikado you have
exceeded the life expectancy of the switch.. assuming 30,000 cycle life.


Carl

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Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 2:44 PM
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Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions

Has anybody found a source for these switches other than through Lionel?


Steve Lunde

boss31@... wrote:

> This isn't a question, but it is notable. The "cherry" switch in my
> Mikado
> has just gone South for the third time.... Adios to the
> _sound.......#@$&*$_
>
> Steve
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46385 From: Phil K Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: What is a "cherry switch"?
Just wondering.

Phil K
Group: S-Trains Message: 46386 From: Carl Tuveson Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: What is a "cherry switch"?
It is a generic name for a micro switch. Cherry is one of the
manufacturers.

Carl

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Behalf Of Phil K
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 3:27 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] What is a "cherry switch"?

Just wondering.

Phil K



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46387 From: James Hannawald Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: What is a "cherry switch"?
Thank you Carl, Phil wasn't the only one in the dark.

Jim H
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To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 3:46 PM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] What is a "cherry switch"?


It is a generic name for a micro switch. Cherry is one of the
manufacturers.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Phil K
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 3:27 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] What is a "cherry switch"?

Just wondering.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46388 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: What is a "cherry switch"?
In case anyone needs to know, the microswitch name
belongs to the Honeywell brand of motion activated
switch. Cherry and others make similar and sometimes
interchangeable motion activated switches. It is
probably possible to Google an interchangeability
chart with manufacturers. Generally these types of
switches are rated at around 10000 operations with
some heavy duty versions in the 300000 to 100000
range. Due to cost I doubt Lionel would use the heavy
duty version.

Bill Drake
Using Gilbert switches of the 720A variety in Virginia
--- James Hannawald <jhannawald@...> wrote:

> Thank you Carl, Phil wasn't the only one in the
> dark.
>
> Jim H
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carl Tuveson
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 3:46 PM
> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] What is a "cherry switch"?
>
>
> It is a generic name for a micro switch. Cherry is
> one of the
> manufacturers.
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Phil K
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 3:27 PM
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] What is a "cherry switch"?
>
> Just wondering.
>
> Phil K
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46389 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Photos of my 2007 Christmas Layout/Village
Thanks! I went for a different look this year, all new buildings.
More of a rustic/mountain/cabin/lodge kinda layout.
Rick.

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>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46390 From: Bill Drake Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
All of the cords on transformers I have inspected have
one side ridged and the other smooth. I checked the
Gilbert Authorized Service Station Manual sheets for
transformer repairs to see if there were instructions
about how the line cords were to be connected. No such
instructions. I would suspect the assemblers in the
factory had instructions to facilitate the consistent
measurement of assembly time, but the technical people
did not feel that the repair stations needed to have
this information. With the reversible cords, no
consumer was likely to inspect the cord and the outlet
to be sure that line was plugged into line and neutral
plugged into neutral. In older houses, it wouldn't
have mattered anyway. My 1912 house in Oregon with
knob and tube wiring had both the line and the neutral
fused at the fuse box. There was no distinction
between them and no grounding provisions at outlets,
junction boxes, light fixtures or switches. Many older
buildings and houses were built this way. My parents
house built in 1959 had transition wiring to code with
two pronged outlets in some places and three pronged
outlets in kitchen and baths. The theory was that the
grounding through the body hazard only existed where
there were water pipes or other grounds. I personally
learned about this being a bad assumption by
attempting to ground a tube radio chassis to a water
faucet with about a 12 foot long bare wire to reduce
noise. It burned a line across both hands when it got
red hot as the chassis was connected to the line side
through a non polarized plug. The radio was older and
did not need to be isolated to meet codes in the early
fifties.

We as a group could evaluate our transformers and
document the wiring patterns from the factory, then
phasing would be an easy matter of consulting the
documentation - anyone interested in contributing?

Bill Drake
with scars across the palms long healed in Virginia
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46391 From: beebear Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions
Hi Steve

You should be able to check out any of the online electronic stores for a replacement
just Google micro switch

John

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Lunde
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel Mikado - lots of questions


Has anybody found a source for these switches other than through Lionel?

Steve Lunde



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46392 From: beebear Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: S Guage mags
I have a collection of about 20 or 30 S gaugian magazines for sale or trade
I'm looking for some tank cars. I can post the issue numbers if anyone is
interested

John Frankforther

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46393 From: sgaugian Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: What is a "cherry switch"?
The NYC and B&O (i.e. early release) Mikados have a much less robust
cherry switch than the cherry in subsequent release engines like the UP
Mike, Southern Mike, and TMCC Pacifics such as the Alton. The switch
in the later versions will not fit in the early engines without milling
the chassis, etc. I have both cherries on hand as spare parts (when
available order from Lionel using their web site or call customer
service). I've gone through about 6 of the early engine cherries, and
so far none of the latter. At least even Lionel listens, learns, and
acts on a thing or two now and then.
Group: S-Trains Message: 46394 From: sgaugian Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: What is a "cherry switch"?
Early Mikado cherry = part number 6-40-8036-162
Late Mikado and Pacific cherry = 6-10-0401-162

I tried switches from Mouser and other electronics supply houses
similar to 6-40-8036-162 and while they physically fit they did not
work any better or last any longer. On the NYC Mike that I run the
most, especially on large layouts for extended periods of time at
shows, I replaced the cherry with a reed switch activated by a small
magnet on the back of a driver. While now only one chuff per rev (hey,
that's all Gilbert chooch gave us) it has not yet failed. No doubt the
reed switch duty cycle in the millions of reps versus the cherry in the
thousands has something to do with that.
Group: S-Trains Message: 46395 From: jhl1963 Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Preference - original accessories or repro?
Hi guys, wondering what everybody's thoughts are for an operator...are
the original ccessories worth it vs the new-er reproductions?

Thanks,
Jordan
Group: S-Trains Message: 46396 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
Bill,
Even though the both the hot & neutural were fused, the 2 prong
outlets were equipped with a copper colored side screw for the hot & the other
side with a silver colored screw for the white/ neutrals.
Here is the reason for this: Two hots can use one single common neutral. So
that two circuits can use one neutral. Mike in ore
Group: S-Trains Message: 46397 From: clifma19@cox.net Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Preference - original accessories or repro?
Jordan,
Being a runner not just a collector, my layout is for the fun of it. My grand kids and friends do not care if the accessories are original. In many cases the repos are cheeper and very trustworthy compared to the 50 year old originals.
I love to watch my guests responses as they experience them for the first time or relive childhood memories.
I recommend them.
Clifford Manning
Toepka, KS
---- jhl1963 <jhl1963@...> wrote:
> Hi guys, wondering what everybody's thoughts are for an operator...are
> the original ccessories worth it vs the new-er reproductions?
>
> Thanks,
> Jordan
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46398 From: Phil K Date: 12/27/2007
Subject: Re: Preference - original accessories or repro?
I use repros on my layout because they often run better than
originals when we have kids who like to push buttons visiting the
layout.

Also, only the guys from my S club would know they're repros. The
other 99 percent who visit don't care because they don't know. All
they look for is a good show. Which we give 'em.

Phil K

****************************************************************

over w--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jhl1963" <jhl1963@...> wrote:
>
> Hi guys, wondering what everybody's thoughts are for an
operator...are
> the original ccessories worth it vs the new-er reproductions?
>
> Thanks,
> Jordan
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46399 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
Actually the reason that many plugs were polarized goes back to the
final days of local Edison type DC power supplies. With a plus and a
minus terminal it was necessary to have the polarity correct on the
plug to operate early AC/DC radios as cathode to anode electron flow
could not take place the wrong way round. Alistair
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
>
> Bill,
> Even though the both the hot & neutural were fused, the 2
prong
> outlets were equipped with a copper colored side screw for the hot &
the other
> side with a silver colored screw for the white/ neutrals.
> Here is the reason for this: Two hots can use one single common
neutral. So
> that two circuits can use one neutral. Mike in ore
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46400 From: Joseph Haenn Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Original vs Repro AF Accessories
Being a big fan of the AF accessories (and I include operating cars in this category), I find that most of the repros are better, especially the Lumber Unloading Car (with its two return springs so it does not get cocked), and Walking Brakeman and Baggage Smasher (with a belt driven rather than vibrator mechansim). However, some are different (e.g., Talking Station with its recording feature and Gabe the Lamplighter with its different operational characteristics for lighting/outing the lights--that's PA Dutch talk for turning them off!). Others I find to be less than satisfactory (e.g., Louie the Oil Drum Loader with its can motor and the Sawmill with its self-stripping nylon gear). On the whole, I think that most of these items have been improved.

Next I would like to see the Cow on the Track and the mail pick-up car plus some new accessories modified to S but based on K-Line/Lionel counterparts (e.g., Milk Dispatch Station, Car Paint Platform, Track Repair Gang (we actually use this one on our layout modified so that the workmen are ripping up that ugly center rail). Other ideas and suggestions?

Joe

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46401 From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Re: S Guage mags
What do you have?


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46402 From: Bruce Papky Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Christmas layout photos...
Thanks, Rick for posting your great layout photos the other day. You motivated me to add some of my 2007 Christmas layout pics to the S-Gallery albums site.


Check them out at: http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/papky


Bruce



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46403 From: JAMES SLEETH Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Using a Pike Master Crossover. It does not to look bad
Thanks for your reply's on using scale and hi rail on turn out. Thom's turnouts seem to be the answer.

I have used the AF pike master cross over for both high rail and scale. It seemed to work. I did not get a response to the cross over question. I guess there are not as many people who use crossover. I like the layout in Dec. Classic Toy Trains with the crossover. I decided to use a variation. The reason is it seems to allow you to get a return in a smaller area. I thought about using many crossover in a yard, but being in S gauge is hard enough as it is, so why make a problem?

Buy the way I might make some kits, but I don't know if I can handle the negativity. I find it all most web sites. These people don't realize they are doing it. It is a personality issue and is not a personal issue.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46404 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Re: Original vs Repro AF Accessories
Hello Friends:

I have always operated original AF accessories the few times I have actually had them out and set up, but about two years ago, I bought an MTH Gabe the Lamplighter from a local hobby shop. I think I bought it not only because the Gabe was one of the few classic AF accessories that I always wanted and never could acquire early, or afford later, but also because I was amazed to see anything even remotely related to AF and S gauge in a local store, and in a small way I hoped to encourage more.

My MTH Gabe remained "mint" in its original box and shipping carton in the "train" (more like storage) room until a couple of weeks ago when I cleared the room enough to set up a little layout to entertain the grandkids when they returned to Oregon from South Carolina for the holidays. How I wish I had been able to do so before they moved back east, but that is another story!

Gabe was a big hit with the kids and operated well until for no apparent reason, the mechanism to wind up the string and raise Gabe up the ladder quit operating. There is a typical AF-type hum or buzz when the green button is pushed but no action. The buttons to drop Gabe back down the ladder and turn off and on the floodlights still function.

I see no obvious disconnected wiring and the string is not broken nor does it appear to be binding or tangled, but I have not yet tried to disassemble the little house or the mechanism. As this is my first and only MTH accessory, I am not familiar with the mechanics of their units. The only "modern" electronics I have are in my American Models and S Helper Services locos in recent years and which have proven to be reliable. Unfortunately, if one of them goes down, I suspect it also will be beyond my AF repair capabilities.

So while I am impressed with the appearance and initial operation of the repro, and I cannot comment of the reliability of an original AF Gabe accessory having never owned or operated one, I am disappointed in the short life-span of my repro Gabe and somewhat concerned about its future operation as I have generally been able to easily diagnose and usually fix any problem with original Gilbert items. I suspect someone will suggest that I should have held out for the Flyonel version.

If any one has any tips on reanimating Gabe or, perhaps, if there was an MTH fix for my problem, please let me know.

Thanks,

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46405 From: Timboy Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Re: Original vs Repro AF Accessories
Hi,

R U TOS on that POS Chionel Sawmill 2?

S-Happens when U cn txt,

Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 46406 From: Russ Dondero Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/23/2007, 8:00 pm
Don - thanks for answering my question. I've always
admired your work to assure high quality control on
both sides of the Pacific Ocean.

Russ in Oregon - an SHS and AM product owner!

--- Don Thompson <don@...> wrote:

> We had asked Mr. Ting about lead years ago and
> were told that they
> were given a yearly certificate from the paint mfg.
> that there paint was
> lead free. The company that makes our products also
> make toys, about
> half the production is toys the other half is
> trains. Mike and I had
> lunch with Mr. Ting right after the lead problems
> were first reported.
> He told us that things had changed and there were
> now required to have
> each shipment of paint certified to be lead free.
> Best,
> Don
> PS Ron at AM uses the same builder in China.
>
> Russ Dondero wrote:
>
> >
> > Given the issue about lead paint in children's
> toys et
> > al made in China, has anyone thought about this
> issue
> > in relevance to adult toys like model trains made
> in
> > China? Granted one doesn't put our "toys" in our
> > mouths but I'm still curious if anyone out there
> has
> > any info. Should we start wearing gloves when we
> play
> > with our trains? I'm assuming pre-war and post war
> > (WW II) era Flyer may have had lead in the paint
> too.
> > Maybe Ron at AM and Don at SHS can weigh in on
> this...
> >
> >
> > Russ in Oregon
> >
> >
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46407 From: tomminil@aol.com Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Re: Original vs Repro AF Accessories
Contact MTH





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46408 From: barb Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Re: Christmas layout photos...
Hi Bruce,

Nice job on your Christmas layout. I especially like the commentary
that goes with each photo. Thanks for sharing it with us.

Like Rick, do you change the layout to mirror the seasons?

Barb

-----Original Message-----
>From: Bruce Papky <bpapky@...>
>Sent: Dec 28, 2007 1:56 PM
>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Cc: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...>
>Subject: [S-Trains] Christmas layout photos...
>
>Thanks, Rick for posting your great layout photos the other day. You motivated me to add some of my 2007 Christmas layout pics to the S-Gallery albums site.
>
>
>Check them out at: http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/papky
>
>
>Bruce
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46409 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Re: Christmas layout photos...
Looking good Bruce!!
I'd like to enlarge my board, just enough to run two trains. I like to
run my Christmas cars at the
same time with my passenger train. You can see the two trains running
on the floor
in some of my other Christmas albums.

Rick.


> Thanks, Rick for posting your great layout photos the other day.
> You motivated me to add some of my 2007 Christmas layout pics to the
> S-Gallery albums site.
>
>
>
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://S-Scale.org/albums
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46410 From: barb Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Re: Original vs Repro AF Accessories
Tim, HUH ???? ....... Barb

-----Original Message-----
>From: Timboy <Timboy@...>
>Sent: Dec 28, 2007 6:33 PM
>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Original vs Repro AF Accessories
>
>Hi,
>
>R U TOS on that POS Chionel Sawmill 2?
>
>S-Happens when U cn txt,
>
>Tim Brown
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46411 From: Timboy Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Re: Original vs Repro AF Accessories
Oops! Sorry folks. Sometimes my text-talk and post-talk get all
confused. I meant to ask Joe if he was also temporarily out of stock
on that piece of sh**t Lionel-made-in-China Sawmill. But seriously,
folks. I'm wondering if a vintage and Chionel Sawmill could be hybrid
into one decent, dependable accessory.

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 46412 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Re: Using a Pike Master Crossover. It does not to look bad
jJm,

I didn't see your posting regarding crossovers, but I use two 30 degree
crossovers by American Models on my layout. It gives me endless opportunities in
track planning. I currently have a 13x16 layout with two small 36'x36" access
islands cut out of the center. The track travels around the layout three
times before returning to the starting place. This is made possible by the
crossovers. It is all one continuous loop. My track is also American models with A
Flyer re-railer integrated into it near the power console for easy set up of
the trains.

Steve
Boise



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46413 From: charlie and edith Date: 12/28/2007
Subject: Micro switch question
Greetings! Has anyone in the group experimented with or is using a micro switch, to operate accessories such as the AF blinker or crossing gate? After a bit of experimenting this evening, it would seem that the switch could be placed in a "case" and put under an AF track tie? Your thoughts are greatly appreciated. Thanks and best wishes, Charlie

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46414 From: Timboy Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: Re: Micro switch question
Hi,

I like to use a couple track trips with a latching relay for a crossing
gate. Once the relay is tripped, the gate stays down with no bouncing,
until another track trip releases the latching relay. In the absence
of a latching relay, an old Flyer switch (left or right) can be used.
Simply mount the old switch upside-down under the train table and route
the base post wire through one of the rails from the transformer to the
crossing gate. When a track trip turns the frog one way, the circuit
is completed and the crossing gate comes down and stays down until the
train hits the other track trip to throw the frog the other way and
interrupt the circuit. It takes just a minute or two of experimenting
to find out how to route the base post wire through the correct leg of
the switch. I have found this to be an extremely robust latching relay
and cheap if you have a pile of old switches you are not using.

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 46415 From: rapidrail1 Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: Re: Original vs Repro AF Accessories
Hi Joe,

I agree with all you have said. But I have never had problems with
my Lionel drum loader or sawmill. I probably put a hex (another PA
Dutch expression) on them by saying that.

One other Lionel operating car I would like to see in S is the
gondola where one character chases another around the car.

Wayne

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...>
wrote:
>
> Being a big fan of the AF accessories (and I include operating cars
in this category), I find that most of the repros are better,
especially the Lumber Unloading Car (with its two return springs so
it does not get cocked), and Walking Brakeman and Baggage Smasher
(with a belt driven rather than vibrator mechansim). However, some
are different (e.g., Talking Station with its recording feature and
Gabe the Lamplighter with its different operational characteristics
for lighting/outing the lights--that's PA Dutch talk for turning them
off!). Others I find to be less than satisfactory (e.g., Louie the
Oil Drum Loader with its can motor and the Sawmill with its self-
stripping nylon gear). On the whole, I think that most of these
items have been improved.
>
> Next I would like to see the Cow on the Track and the mail pick-up
car plus some new accessories modified to S but based on K-
Line/Lionel counterparts (e.g., Milk Dispatch Station, Car Paint
Platform, Track Repair Gang (we actually use this one on our layout
modified so that the workmen are ripping up that ugly center rail).
Other ideas and suggestions?
>
> Joe
>
> Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613
> 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338
> Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer
> Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46416 From: jhl1963 Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: Thanks Re: Original vs Repro AF Accessories
Thanks everybody! Appreciate the input.


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> I agree with all you have said. But I have never had problems
with
> my Lionel drum loader or sawmill. I probably put a hex (another
PA
> Dutch expression) on them by saying that.
>
> One other Lionel operating car I would like to see in S is the
> gondola where one character chases another around the car.
>
> Wayne
>
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Being a big fan of the AF accessories (and I include operating
cars
> in this category), I find that most of the repros are better,
> especially the Lumber Unloading Car (with its two return springs
so
> it does not get cocked), and Walking Brakeman and Baggage Smasher
> (with a belt driven rather than vibrator mechansim). However,
some
> are different (e.g., Talking Station with its recording feature
and
> Gabe the Lamplighter with its different operational
characteristics
> for lighting/outing the lights--that's PA Dutch talk for turning
them
> off!). Others I find to be less than satisfactory (e.g., Louie
the
> Oil Drum Loader with its can motor and the Sawmill with its self-
> stripping nylon gear). On the whole, I think that most of these
> items have been improved.
> >
> > Next I would like to see the Cow on the Track and the mail pick-
up
> car plus some new accessories modified to S but based on K-
> Line/Lionel counterparts (e.g., Milk Dispatch Station, Car Paint
> Platform, Track Repair Gang (we actually use this one on our
layout
> modified so that the workmen are ripping up that ugly center
rail).
> Other ideas and suggestions?
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613
> > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338
> > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer
> > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers
> > American Models ######################## S-Helper Service
Showcase
> Line
> > joestrainrepair@ Master Card/Visa honored
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46417 From: George Cohn Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: Re: Micro switch question
charlie and edith wrote:

> Greetings! Has anyone in the group experimented with or is using a micro
> switch, to operate accessories such as the AF blinker or crossing gate?
> After a bit of experimenting this evening, it would seem that the switch
> could be placed in a "case" and put under an AF track tie? Your thoughts
> are greatly appreciated. Thanks and best wishes, Charlie

I haven't tried a micro switch but since I noodle around with
electronics, you might appreciate a modification I made to a 759 Danger
Bell. http://tinyurl.com/2wadlf

While this particular version uses a discreet circuit with TTL logic, a
newer version uses a PIC programmable chip to reduce parts count.

I've also cobbled up a photoelectric sensor to replace the track trip.

BTW, I found a bell at a Petco pet supply store that was about the right
size to replace the cracked bell in the 759 Danger Bell. It was a bird
toy and about $3 as I recall. That's what's in the one one the web page
referenced above.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 46418 From: MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: layout questions
I have a couple of questions on some topics related to a layout.

1. track screws. The track screws I have will go into the wood table top by about a 1/8 of a inch. Is this going to be a problem with noise of the train going into the wood? I found a website with screws of 1/4 to 3/8 inch, as they will not go into the wood.

2. RR signals and crossing arms. I will be using DCC. And I will be laying down the track on the roadbed with screws. Do I need to add this signals and crossing arms first, as the old AF types used track trips. Do the new things, work this way today? I see on the Z stuff site, the signal work on motion of the train blocking something in the signal like a motion detector?

NJ International has RR crossing arms. Do they work with motion.

Anyway, thanks for any information from anyone, as I emailed Z stuff, as I am sure they are closed for the weekend, but I was just curious.

But the big question is, will Cow on Track (COT) work with DCC! LOL Or could I just hook it up just to have the cow come over the track and stop the train with the DCC control.

thanks,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46419 From: Timboy Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: Re: Micro switch question
Hi George,

That's terrific! Great job!!!! Also, thanks for providing the circuit
and list of materials. I have saved it all in a word doc for future
reference.

Thanks again,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 46420 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: Re: Micro switch question
Hi George,



That looks like a very good idea and a neat implementation. Do you have the
schematic? Or, is that an exercise left to the student?



I wonder if the Petco bell counts as an S-Scale item adaptable from another
scale.



Happy New Year,

Bill



Reply from Bill Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of George Cohn
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 1:51 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Micro switch question



charlie and edith wrote:

> Greetings! Has anyone in the group experimented with or is using a micro
> switch, to operate accessories such as the AF blinker or crossing gate?
> After a bit of experimenting this evening, it would seem that the switch
> could be placed in a "case" and put under an AF track tie? Your thoughts
> are greatly appreciated. Thanks and best wishes, Charlie

I haven't tried a micro switch but since I noodle around with
electronics, you might appreciate a modification I made to a 759 Danger
Bell. http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl.com/2wadlf> com/2wadlf

While this particular version uses a discreet circuit with TTL logic, a
newer version uses a PIC programmable chip to reduce parts count.

I've also cobbled up a photoelectric sensor to replace the track trip.

BTW, I found a bell at a Petco pet supply store that was about the right
size to replace the cracked bell in the 759 Danger Bell. It was a bird
toy and about $3 as I recall. That's what's in the one one the web page
referenced above.

George Cohn





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46421 From: Alan and Sherry Bennett Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: Re: Original vs Repro AF Accessories
Hello Friends:

Just an update on my little problem with the MTH Gabe the Lamplighter accessory. Thank you for the suggestions I received. As suggested, I checked for tension on the string as I pushed the button, and there was none. I then poked around in the little house again and determined that a metal gate or "flap" at the front of the solenoid was supposed to move, but it was hung up. I was able to release it, and Gabe is climbing again.

I cannot tell what the hang up was and probably could not without disassembling the unit, but I am happy that it is working again, and I will know what to check first if Gabe is ever reluctant to go about his duty in the future. Fortunately, this problem is easily solved, at least for now, by simply removing the roof and poking the flap.

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR

----- Original Message -----
From: Alan and Sherry Bennett
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Original vs Repro AF Accessories


Hello Friends:

I have always operated original AF accessories the few times I have actually had them out and set up, but about two years ago, I bought an MTH Gabe the Lamplighter from a local hobby shop. I think I bought it not only because the Gabe was one of the few classic AF accessories that I always wanted and never could acquire early, or afford later, but also because I was amazed to see anything even remotely related to AF and S gauge in a local store, and in a small way I hoped to encourage more.

My MTH Gabe remained "mint" in its original box and shipping carton in the "train" (more like storage) room until a couple of weeks ago when I cleared the room enough to set up a little layout to entertain the grandkids when they returned to Oregon from South Carolina for the holidays. How I wish I had been able to do so before they moved back east, but that is another story!

Gabe was a big hit with the kids and operated well until for no apparent reason, the mechanism to wind up the string and raise Gabe up the ladder quit operating. There is a typical AF-type hum or buzz when the green button is pushed but no action. The buttons to drop Gabe back down the ladder and turn off and on the floodlights still function.

I see no obvious disconnected wiring and the string is not broken nor does it appear to be binding or tangled, but I have not yet tried to disassemble the little house or the mechanism. As this is my first and only MTH accessory, I am not familiar with the mechanics of their units. The only "modern" electronics I have are in my American Models and S Helper Services locos in recent years and which have proven to be reliable. Unfortunately, if one of them goes down, I suspect it also will be beyond my AF repair capabilities.

So while I am impressed with the appearance and initial operation of the repro, and I cannot comment of the reliability of an original AF Gabe accessory having never owned or operated one, I am disappointed in the short life-span of my repro Gabe and somewhat concerned about its future operation as I have generally been able to easily diagnose and usually fix any problem with original Gilbert items. I suspect someone will suggest that I should have held out for the Flyonel version.

If any one has any tips on reanimating Gabe or, perhaps, if there was an MTH fix for my problem, please let me know.

Thanks,

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46422 From: fireladdie2003 Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: Re: Original vs Repro AF Accessories
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <Timboy@...> wrote:
>
> Oops! Sorry folks. Sometimes my text-talk and post-talk get all
> confused. I meant to ask Joe if he was also temporarily out of
stock
> on that piece of sh**t Lionel-made-in-China Sawmill. But seriously,
> folks. I'm wondering if a vintage and Chionel Sawmill could be
hybrid
> into one decent, dependable accessory.
>
> S-Happens,
> Tim Brown
>
I have the MTH coal loader, sawmill,and log loader, and the Lionel
barrell loader, have used them on my last two layouts and have never
had a problem with them! The only change that I have made is to the
coal loader, bought a different gear from Portline Hobbies to speed
things along. I recently traded some Hornby 00 for a MTH Gabe the
Lamplighter, has been in use on my layout for two weeks now and it
works fine. I like the new repros. Also I have bought the Lionel/AF
Southern work train set(2004) and the Chessie freight set(2006), I
have been very impressed with them.

Happy New Year to everyone,
Tom Davis, Chesterfield,VA
Group: S-Trains Message: 46423 From: Gary Chidester Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: Re: Using a Pike Master Crossover. It does not to look bad
Do you have a copy of the track plan? That sounds a lot like what I am
hoping for, a long run without repeating.

g


On Dec 28, 2007, at 9:12 PM, boss31@... wrote:

> jJm,
>
> I didn't see your posting regarding crossovers, but I use two 30
> degree
> crossovers by American Models on my layout. It gives me endless
> opportunities in
> track planning. I currently have a 13x16 layout with two small
> 36'x36" access
> islands cut out of the center. The track travels around the layout
> three
> times before returning to the starting place. This is made possible
> by the
> crossovers. It is all one continuous loop. My track is also American
> models with A
> Flyer re-railer integrated into it near the power console for easy
> set up of
> the trains.
>
> Steve
> Boise
Group: S-Trains Message: 46424 From: Don Thompson Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: Re: layout questions
Dear Mike,
The NJ International RR crossing gates are designed to be operated
with optical detectors fro track trips and servos to actuate the gate.
We have all of the parts from TDP for the NJI crossing gate. It will
work with AC, DC or DCC.
Don
PS Jack of NJI told me last York they were working on red LEDs on the
gate.


MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote:

> ...NJ International has RR crossing arms. Do they work with motion.
>
>
> .
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46425 From: Phil K Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: Using 30 degree AM crossovers for interest on layout
I also use a couple of 30-degree AM crossovers. One of them allows
me to use a double loop, about 110 feet of track in total. Makes for
a long run as one of the loops has s-curves on the grade and runs up
to an elevated plateau and back down again.

Phil K


--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote:
>
> jJm,
>
> I didn't see your posting regarding crossovers, but I use two 30
degree
> crossovers by American Models on my layout. It gives me endless
opportunities in
> track planning. I currently have a 13x16 layout with two small
36'x36" access
> islands cut out of the center. The track travels around the layout
three
> times before returning to the starting place. This is made
possible by the
> crossovers. It is all one continuous loop. My track is also
American models with A
> Flyer re-railer integrated into it near the power console for easy
set up of
> the trains.
>
> Steve
> Boise
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Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/30/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46427 From: beebear Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: Re: S Guage mags
Hi Sam

here is what I have

January/February 1978
March/April 1978
May/June 1978
July/August 1978
September/October 1978
November/December 1978

January/February 1979
March/April 1979
May/June 1979
July/August 1979
September/October 1979
November/December 1979 - torn cover

January/February 1980
March/April 1980
May/June 1980
July/August 1980
September/October 1980
November/December 1980

September/October 1987
November/December 1987

January/February 1988
March/April 1988
May/June 1988
July/August 1988
September/October 1988
November/December 1988

March/April 1989 - Souvenir Edition

September/October 1993
November/December 1993

January/February 1994
March/April 1994
May/June 1994
July?August 1994

September/October 1997
November?December 1997 - Special Christmas Holiday Issue

January/February 1998
March/April 1998
May/June 1998
July/August 1998

Also I have the March 1987 & June 1987 DISPATCH
Group: S-Trains Message: 46428 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/29/2007
Subject: Re: layout questions
Thanks Don,

So, I have to install the track trips for this to work.

Then I need to it before I secure the track to the roadbed?

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Don Thompson
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] layout questions


Dear Mike,
The NJ International RR crossing gates are designed to be operated
with optical detectors fro track trips and servos to actuate the gate.
We have all of the parts from TDP for the NJI crossing gate. It will
work with AC, DC or DCC.
Don
PS Jack of NJI told me last York they were working on red LEDs on the
gate.

MICHAEL MARMER LINDA MARMER wrote:

> ...NJ International has RR crossing arms. Do they work with motion.
>
>
> .
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46429 From: rj4010d Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: 314 whistle
I need some expert advise on the 314AW .My goal is to be able to
active with TMCC.Coil for points has 101.2 omhs as stated in Bob
Hannon's book,just seems a little weak .Looks like adjustments are
going to be very critical.Took whistle unit completely apart,
cleaned,polished armature ect.Motor runs great but I don't have whitle
sound.Impeller is black plastic with straight fins. Is this the correct
impeller? Have run motor both ways,still lack of sound.Is the clearence
of the impeller to back side of housing real important? Any & all help
greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Bob Guckian Eaton, OH
Group: S-Trains Message: 46430 From: John Degnan Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: PRS Kit For "S"ale
I have the following (unassembled) Pacific Rail Shops model for sale :
a.. B-354.5
1937 40' Double Door Box Car
Seaboard Air Line # 23318
"The Route Of Courteous Service" lettering
Asking $20 for the kit and $4.50 for shipping in the US.

Contact me at the e-mail address below if interested.

Thanks.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46431 From: charlie and edith Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Micro switch question
Greetings! Tim, I am not familar with a "latching relay" . Please give us an idea as to what it is, how it works and where one could be found. Thanks, Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: Timboy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:52 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Micro switch question


Hi,

I like to use a couple track trips with a latching relay for a crossing
gate. Once the relay is tripped, the gate stays down with no bouncing,
until another track trip releases the latching relay. In the absence
of a latching relay, an old Flyer switch (left or right) can be used.
Simply mount the old switch upside-down under the train table and route
the base post wire through one of the rails from the transformer to the
crossing gate. When a track trip turns the frog one way, the circuit
is completed and the crossing gate comes down and stays down until the
train hits the other track trip to throw the frog the other way and
interrupt the circuit. It takes just a minute or two of experimenting
to find out how to route the base post wire through the correct leg of
the switch. I have found this to be an extremely robust latching relay
and cheap if you have a pile of old switches you are not using.

S-Happens,
Tim Brown





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46432 From: Timboy Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Micro switch question
Hi,

A latching relay is a type of relay that stays in the position it is
put to even after the current is broken, unlike all the others that
must have the current remain uninterrupted.

Here is the definition of a "latching relay" - straight from
Wikipedia:

"A latching relay has two relaxed states (bistable). These are also
called 'keep' relays. When the current is switched off, the relay
remains in its last state. This is achieved with a solenoid operating
a ratchet and cam mechanism, or by having two opposing coils with an
over-center spring or permanent magnet to hold the armature and
contacts in position while the coil is relaxed, or with a remnant
core. In the ratchet and cam example, the first pulse to the coil
turns the relay on and the second pulse turns it off. In the two coil
example, a pulse to one coil turns the relay on and a pulse to the
opposite coil turns the relay off. This type of relay has the
advantage that it consumes power only for an instant, while it is
being switched, and it retains its last setting across a power
outage." [End of Wikipedia definition]


Now the tough part - where to find ones that are suitable for our use
at the right price. I have tried doing umpteen online searches and
can only come up with very pricey, high-voltage ones. That is why I
described how to make one from an old Flyer switch in my last post.

Is there someone else on this List who knows where low-voltage,
inexpensive latching relays can be found?

I tried searching the archives of this list and although this topic
has had a little bit of discussion in the past, no one has posted a
good source for low-voltage, inexpensive latching relays.

In the event that no one does, Charlie - try my method. It does
work, although you will need two reliable track trips as well. But
you would need them anyway to power a store-bought latching relay. I
have used old Flyer switches where the bakelite was severely cracked
or broken, making them unsuitable for use on a layout anyway. Make
sure the coil works well, however.

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 46433 From: Doug Peck Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: SHS B&M F-7 B-unit ??
Trying to locate a B-unit for the SHS B&M F-7, new or used. Anyone have
one available? Please respond direct, off-list. Thanks.
Doug Peck
Group: S-Trains Message: 46434 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: WayneCastle Central RR
Lovely Linda and I took the old "Jimmie" out for a cruise yesterday
(Saturday) ending up at the WayneCastle Central RR, between Greencastle and
Chambersburg, PA. Located just off of PA Rt 16, along the former Western
Maryland/READING "Lurgan Branch" is the Headquarters of the Waynesboro Model Railroad Club.
The Club has 4 layouts occupying 2 floors of the old feed mill, trackside on
Wayne Castle Rd.

The club has four (4) layouts, N, HO, O and O Scale to delight the eyes. The
second floor "O" scale layout occupies most of the walls of a 30 X 50 room,
with the "O" Gauge in the center. The underlayout of the O scale is populated
with smaller "toy like" layouts at kids eye level. THOMAS and friends are
prevalent in this area as are other kid favorites.

The detailed operating "N" layout is at the top of the stairs before one
enters the "O" empire, AFTER leaving the huge HO effort on the first floor. The
"HO" features block controls, block operators, copious amounts of very
interesting scenery and LOTS of running trains.

Plasticville, as well as most other types & disciplines of building are to be
found everywhere. IF you remember cardboard and litho buildings, you'll find
that here too. Kit-bashed examples can be found by the wandering eye. LET
the eye wander and behold.

Admission is by donation, on Jan 5 & 6, 19 & 20 and 26 & 27 from 1 to 5 PM.
Snow date is Feb 2 & 3. EASY to get to, close to Greencastle/Waynesboro in
the south and Chambersburg to the north, just off of I-81. The crew is most
affable and willingly talk "trains". Glad we went.

_www.WaynesboroToyTrains.Blogspot.com_
(http://www.WaynesboroToyTrains.Blogspot.com)

Jim "waiting for snow on the Pennsy Main" Lyle



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46435 From: Robert Boring Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Micro switch question
Tim, Wouldn't any twin coil switch machine work the same way? Such as Atlas.

Just wondering.
Bob Boring
----- Original Message -----
From: Timboy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 4:14 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Micro switch question


Hi,

A latching relay is a type of relay that stays in the position it is
put to even after the current is broken, unlike all the others that
must have the current remain uninterrupted.

Here is the definition of a "latching relay" - straight from
Wikipedia:

"A latching relay has two relaxed states (bistable). These are also
called 'keep' relays. When the current is switched off, the relay
remains in its last state. This is achieved with a solenoid operating
a ratchet and cam mechanism, or by having two opposing coils with an
over-center spring or permanent magnet to hold the armature and
contacts in position while the coil is relaxed, or with a remnant
core. In the ratchet and cam example, the first pulse to the coil
turns the relay on and the second pulse turns it off. In the two coil
example, a pulse to one coil turns the relay on and a pulse to the
opposite coil turns the relay off. This type of relay has the
advantage that it consumes power only for an instant, while it is
being switched, and it retains its last setting across a power
outage." [End of Wikipedia definition]

Now the tough part - where to find ones that are suitable for our use
at the right price. I have tried doing umpteen online searches and
can only come up with very pricey, high-voltage ones. That is why I
described how to make one from an old Flyer switch in my last post.

Is there someone else on this List who knows where low-voltage,
inexpensive latching relays can be found?

I tried searching the archives of this list and although this topic
has had a little bit of discussion in the past, no one has posted a
good source for low-voltage, inexpensive latching relays.

In the event that no one does, Charlie - try my method. It does
work, although you will need two reliable track trips as well. But
you would need them anyway to power a store-bought latching relay. I
have used old Flyer switches where the bakelite was severely cracked
or broken, making them unsuitable for use on a layout anyway. Make
sure the coil works well, however.

S-Happens,
Tim Brown





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46436 From: Gerald Dobbs Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Why a latching relay???
I have the best circuit for operating crossing gates and other
accessories for a constant operation until the train passes. My favorite
is flashing crossing signals from Christmas village that are battery
operated And 12 volt two colored signals from Walters.
Using a AF track trip, and a regular 12DC relay , and a 22,000UF
capacitor from radio shack. The train wheels hit the track trip, which
charges the capacitor, in turn closes the relay which operates the
accessory. The relay rill remain closed for about 20 seconds after the
last wheel hits the track trip. A larger capacitor, the longer the relay
will remain actuated, a smaller capacitor, a shorter time. I have two
parallel tracks takes 3 track trips.
Jerry 77-11644
Group: S-Trains Message: 46438 From: Timboy Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Micro switch question
Hi,

Yes. However, none is more robust than an old Flyer switch, IMHO. I
can't tell you how many Atlas Snap Relays I've burned out. But then, I
ran DC. AC might be kinder & gentler.

S-Happens.
Group: S-Trains Message: 46439 From: Timboy Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Why a latching relay???
Hi,

That's a terrific contribution. Thanks Jerry! So there is more than
one way to get 'er done. Another way might be to use a photo track
trip. I believe those devices have a user-settable timer so the gate
will go down when the lead loco breaks the path and it will stay down
for the pre-determined set time.

The idea in all of this is to lower the gate and keep it down without
bouncing. Our 3-rail friends don't have that problem too much with
their all-wheel pick-ups. On 2-rail track, the slightest variance in
voltage is the culprit.

Anyone else have some creative solutions?

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 46440 From: barb Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Bowser turntable, any good? Any others?
Hi Jordan,

I do have the Bowser turntable in S gauge. I had shopped
around quite a bit while looking for a turntable. Just when
I decided to purchase the Bowser, one of our list members
alerted me to the auction of one on ebay.

It was the exact one I had decided to buy from Bowser. I
bid on the auction and won it at considerably less than
the new one and the one on ebay was only 6 months old.

I have been very happy with it and it's performance. Of
course the plus side is that it came already wired, included
a transformer and was ready to run after I dropped it in the
hole I carved for it.

You can see it in my layout at:
http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/Barb/Final+FL+Photos/101_101.JPG.html

Barb

PS There are gals on this list and not just guys... ;-)

-----Original Message-----
>From: jhl1963 <jhl1963@...>
>Sent: Dec 30, 2007 11:22 AM
>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [S-Trains] Bowser turntable, any good? Any others?
>
>Guys, looking to try and use a turntable in my layout. Anybody know
>anything about Bowser (http://bowser-
>trains.com/sscale/turntables/turntables.htm) or can anyone recommend
>another brand?
>
>Thanks,
>Jordan
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46441 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Man in the Caboose
I was writing with a O gauge friend as we compare AF and Lionel.

Somehow we got to writing about the operating man on the cabooses and how it makes noise.

He said that Lionel has the same problem with the noise from the man going back and forth.

I believe on this list, it has been mention that there is something that can be added to the inside of the caboose to quiet this noise down.

Could someone who knows about this let me know what needs to be done for this?

thanks,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46442 From: Robert Hannon Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: 314 whistle
Bob:



Assuming air leakage from the gaskets

has been eliminated and that your transformer

is cranked up, and that the whistle works ok

when you manually close the contacts together

(Wow! I never thought I could write this many

'disclaimers/conditions' in one sentence!):



Are the relay contacts latching completely under

'remote' control? Or do you see heavy arcing at

the contact points?



Personally, I've never been able to completely eliminate the arcing,

but I did find that the heavier the arcing, the

weaker the whistle level; causing power to be

applied to the whistle motor intermittently,

rather than continuously. The result is the armature can

never achieve full speed to generate the required

air-flow.



Oh, and my impeller is black plastic too. I can't get

a vane count though, since I can't get mine opened up.

The two screws at the top edge of the housing

absolutely refuse to budge. Fortunately, I haven't had

to completely disassemble it since I got it.



Bob Hannon

P.S.

Thanks for the verification on the resistance reading.

What brand/model ohmmeter do you use?

























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Group: S-Trains Message: 46443 From: anormal1@aol.com Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Micro switch question
Tim,
Try a Co. called TOUCHPLATE They use them for house lighting. This
allows for low voltage control of all the lights in a house from many
locations. Mike in Ore
PS: Don't recall the cost
Group: S-Trains Message: 46444 From: Timboy Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Micro switch question
Hi Mike,

Their least expensive one is $40. One Flyer switch costs nothing if
it's an otherwise broken one; $15 in good condition. Thanks tho!

S-Happens,
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 46445 From: Timboy Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Bowser turntable, any good? Any others?
Hi Barb,

That's a terrific installation of the Bowser turntable you bought! I
bought one at York a year or so ago just like it for $200. I haven't
gotten to the installation yet. I've had a long list of other things
to do. Soon, I'll be posting pics of a new mountain I have almost
completed.

What is the status on your layout? I noticed your pics were dated
September of 2006. Any new progress to post?

S-Happens!
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 46446 From: jhl1963 Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Bowser turntable, any good? Any others?
Barb, please excuse me! I meant guys in the general sense, but will
be more careful in the future...I will echo Tim's comments - that is
a phenominal layout and use of the turntable. Wow.



--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, barb <rcespeak@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jordan,
>
> I do have the Bowser turntable in S gauge. I had shopped
> around quite a bit while looking for a turntable. Just when
> I decided to purchase the Bowser, one of our list members
> alerted me to the auction of one on ebay.
>
> It was the exact one I had decided to buy from Bowser. I
> bid on the auction and won it at considerably less than
> the new one and the one on ebay was only 6 months old.
>
> I have been very happy with it and it's performance. Of
> course the plus side is that it came already wired, included
> a transformer and was ready to run after I dropped it in the
> hole I carved for it.
>
> You can see it in my layout at:
> http://s-
scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/Barb/Final+FL+Photos/101_101.JPG.
html
>
> Barb
>
> PS There are gals on this list and not just guys... ;-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: jhl1963 <jhl1963@...>
> >Sent: Dec 30, 2007 11:22 AM
> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [S-Trains] Bowser turntable, any good? Any others?
> >
> >Guys, looking to try and use a turntable in my layout. Anybody
know
> >anything about Bowser (http://bowser-
> >trains.com/sscale/turntables/turntables.htm) or can anyone
recommend
> >another brand?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Jordan
> >
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46447 From: John Degnan Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Popular Rail Codes in S scale (For Hand-Laying)
Apologies for the cross-posting, but this is an all-encompassing question...


Just curious... From the Flyer fans to the scale fans to the PROTO:64 fans...

For those of us who actually hand-lay our own rail, what are the most popular "codes" and brands of rail used out there in S scale, today? (... or maybe it would be easier to ask what codes of rail are NOT used in S)

Also, dosn't the SHS rail scale out to code 155? Or is it something different?

And what is the code for the AM rail?

Thanks.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...


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Group: S-Trains Message: 46448 From: Talmadge C 'TC' Carr Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: [finescale64] Popular Rail Codes in S scale (For Hand-Laying)
SHS is 155# which in "S" is code 125
AM is, i believe, code 148???
TCC:}

On Dec 30, 2007, at 3:47 PM, John Degnan wrote:

> Also, dosn't the SHS rail scale out to code 155? Or is it something
> different?
>
> And what is the code for the AM rail?
>

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
Sn42 and Hn42 somewhere in the wilds of the Pacific Northwest
group_list@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 46449 From: Scale S Only Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Barb's turntable and photos
Hi Barb --

Darn good thing too, from the looks of the photos! I bet the guys are jealous...

Happy New Year!
Bill Winans
Prescott Valley, AZ

There are gals on this group... -- Barb



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46450 From: barb Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Bowser turntable, any good? Any others?
Okay, you're excused (smile), Jordan... Barb

-----Original Message-----
>From: jhl1963 <jhl1963@...>
>Sent: Dec 30, 2007 4:12 PM
>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Bowser turntable, any good? Any others?
>
>Barb, please excuse me! I meant guys in the general sense, but will
>be more careful in the future...I will echo Tim's comments - that is
>a phenominal layout and use of the turntable. Wow.
>
>
>
>--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, barb <rcespeak@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jordan,
>>
>> I do have the Bowser turntable in S gauge. I had shopped
>> around quite a bit while looking for a turntable. Just when
>> I decided to purchase the Bowser, one of our list members
>> alerted me to the auction of one on ebay.
>>
>> It was the exact one I had decided to buy from Bowser. I
>> bid on the auction and won it at considerably less than
>> the new one and the one on ebay was only 6 months old.
>>
>> I have been very happy with it and it's performance. Of
>> course the plus side is that it came already wired, included
>> a transformer and was ready to run after I dropped it in the
>> hole I carved for it.
>>
>> You can see it in my layout at:
>> http://s-
>scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/Barb/Final+FL+Photos/101_101.JPG.
>html
>>
>> Barb
>>
>> PS There are gals on this list and not just guys... ;-)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: jhl1963 <jhl1963@...>
>> >Sent: Dec 30, 2007 11:22 AM
>> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>> >Subject: [S-Trains] Bowser turntable, any good? Any others?
>> >
>> >Guys, looking to try and use a turntable in my layout. Anybody
>know
>> >anything about Bowser (http://bowser-
>> >trains.com/sscale/turntables/turntables.htm) or can anyone
>recommend
>> >another brand?
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >Jordan
>> >
>>
>
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46451 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/30/2007, 8:00 pm
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46452 From: Bob or Deb Guckian Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: 314 whistle
Bob, Can you see the blades from your armature end? Mine face towards the armature & I thinkthat would be the wrong direction. I think the backing plate should be next to armature. The drawings of the bill boards shows the backing plate next to armature. ?? Bob G
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Hannon
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 1:40 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re:314 whistle


Bob:

Assuming air leakage from the gaskets

has been eliminated and that your transformer

is cranked up, and that the whistle works ok

when you manually close the contacts together

(Wow! I never thought I could write this many

'disclaimers/conditions' in one sentence!):

Are the relay contacts latching completely under

'remote' control? Or do you see heavy arcing at

the contact points?

Personally, I've never been able to completely eliminate the arcing,

but I did find that the heavier the arcing, the

weaker the whistle level; causing power to be

applied to the whistle motor intermittently,

rather than continuously. The result is the armature can

never achieve full speed to generate the required

air-flow.

Oh, and my impeller is black plastic too. I can't get

a vane count though, since I can't get mine opened up.

The two screws at the top edge of the housing

absolutely refuse to budge. Fortunately, I haven't had

to completely disassemble it since I got it.

Bob Hannon

P.S.

Thanks for the verification on the resistance reading.

What brand/model ohmmeter do you use?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46453 From: Bob or Deb Guckian Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Bowser turntable, any good? Any others?
Barb, My son is searching for a round house , at least a 5 stall . Yours looks GREAT!!! Can you tell me where to look for one like yours?? Thanks, Bob Guckian Eaton , Oh bjg@...
----- Original Message -----
From: barb
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bowser turntable, any good? Any others?


Hi Jordan,

I do have the Bowser turntable in S gauge. I had shopped
around quite a bit while looking for a turntable. Just when
I decided to purchase the Bowser, one of our list members
alerted me to the auction of one on ebay.

It was the exact one I had decided to buy from Bowser. I
bid on the auction and won it at considerably less than
the new one and the one on ebay was only 6 months old.

I have been very happy with it and it's performance. Of
course the plus side is that it came already wired, included
a transformer and was ready to run after I dropped it in the
hole I carved for it.

You can see it in my layout at:
http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/Barb/Final+FL+Photos/101_101.JPG.html

Barb

PS There are gals on this list and not just guys... ;-)

-----Original Message-----
>From: jhl1963 <jhl1963@...>
>Sent: Dec 30, 2007 11:22 AM
>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [S-Trains] Bowser turntable, any good? Any others?
>
>Guys, looking to try and use a turntable in my layout. Anybody know
>anything about Bowser (http://bowser-
>trains.com/sscale/turntables/turntables.htm) or can anyone recommend
>another brand?
>
>Thanks,
>Jordan
>






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Group: S-Trains Message: 46454 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Man in the Caboose
Ehat you both are hearing is the 60 cycle AC hum of the solenoid holding the
man in place. The way to avoid this is to either run DC or rectify the
solenoid to DC and stiill run AC.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise


In a message dated 12/30/2007 12:52:04 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:




I was writing with a O gauge friend as we compare AF and Lionel.

Somehow we got to writing about the operating man on the cabooses and how it
makes noise.

He said that Lionel has the same problem with the noise from the man going
back and forth.

I believe on this list, it has been mention that there is something that can
be added to the inside of the caboose to quiet this noise down.

Could someone who knows about this let me know what needs to be done for
this?

thanks,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46455 From: barb Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Barb's turntable and photos
Hi Bill,

I don't want anyone to be jealous, I just don't want
us gals to be left out.

Thanks... Barb

-----Original Message-----
>From: Scale S Only <scalesonly@...>
>Sent: Dec 30, 2007 4:50 PM
>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [S-Trains] Barb's turntable and photos
>
>Hi Barb --
>
>Darn good thing too, from the looks of the photos! I bet the guys are jealous...
>
>Happy New Year!
>Bill Winans
>Prescott Valley, AZ
>
>There are gals on this group... -- Barb
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46456 From: barb Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Bowser turntable, any good? Any others?
Hi Bob,

The walls and windows of the roundhouse are from a kit offered by Doug
Peck at PortlinesHobby.com. I kit-bashed it a bit by making my own
roof out of a door panel. The smokestack in the back I picked up
at York and the building right next to it is a part of the watchman's
tower by Plasticville.

Doug's kit comes in 3 stall increments. So you can make it any size
you want.

Barb

-----Original Message-----
>From: Bob or Deb Guckian <bjg@...>
>Sent: Dec 30, 2007 6:22 PM
>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bowser turntable, any good? Any others?
>
>Barb, My son is searching for a round house , at least a 5 stall . Yours looks GREAT!!! Can you tell me where to look for one like yours?? Thanks, Bob Guckian Eaton , Oh bjg@...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: barb
> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 1:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bowser turntable, any good? Any others?
>
>
> Hi Jordan,
>
> I do have the Bowser turntable in S gauge. I had shopped
> around quite a bit while looking for a turntable. Just when
> I decided to purchase the Bowser, one of our list members
> alerted me to the auction of one on ebay.
>
> It was the exact one I had decided to buy from Bowser. I
> bid on the auction and won it at considerably less than
> the new one and the one on ebay was only 6 months old.
>
> I have been very happy with it and it's performance. Of
> course the plus side is that it came already wired, included
> a transformer and was ready to run after I dropped it in the
> hole I carved for it.
>
> You can see it in my layout at:
> http://s-scale.org/albums/main.php/v/friends/Barb/Final+FL+Photos/101_101.JPG.html
>
> Barb
>
> PS There are gals on this list and not just guys... ;-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: jhl1963 <jhl1963@...>
> >Sent: Dec 30, 2007 11:22 AM
> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [S-Trains] Bowser turntable, any good? Any others?
> >
> >Guys, looking to try and use a turntable in my layout. Anybody know
> >anything about Bowser (http://bowser-
> >trains.com/sscale/turntables/turntables.htm) or can anyone recommend
> >another brand?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Jordan
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46457 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Man in the Caboose
Thanks Steve, I will pass this along to my friend.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: boss31@...
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Man in the Caboose


Ehat you both are hearing is the 60 cycle AC hum of the solenoid holding the
man in place. The way to avoid this is to either run DC or rectify the
solenoid to DC and stiill run AC.

Steve
SnS Trains
Boise


In a message dated 12/30/2007 12:52:04 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
mlmarmer@... writes:

I was writing with a O gauge friend as we compare AF and Lionel.

Somehow we got to writing about the operating man on the cabooses and how it
makes noise.

He said that Lionel has the same problem with the noise from the man going
back and forth.

I believe on this list, it has been mention that there is something that can
be added to the inside of the caboose to quiet this noise down.

Could someone who knows about this let me know what needs to be done for
this?

thanks,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46458 From: John Degnan Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Popular Rail Codes in S scale (For Hand-Laying)
Two other questions I meant to ask are...

1. Is there any rail availible between code 100 and SHS's code 125 rail?

2. Does anyone in S use anything larger than AM's code 146 or 148 (or whatever it is)?

Thanks again.


John Degnan
Scaler164@...

----- Original Message -----
Subject: Popular Rail Codes in S scale (For Hand-Laying)
Apologies for the cross-posting, but this is an all-encompassing question...
Just curious... From the Flyer fans to the scale fans to the PROTO:64 fans...
For those of us who actually hand-lay our own rail, what are the most popular "codes" and brands of rail used out there in S scale, today? (... or maybe it would be easier to ask what codes of rail are NOT used in S)
Also, dosn't the SHS rail scale out to code 155? Or is it something different?
And what is the code for the AM rail?

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46459 From: Timboy Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Popular Rail Codes in S scale (For Hand-Laying)
> 2. Does anyone in S use anything larger than AM's code 146 or 148
(or whatever it is)?


Well, I do. I use vintage Flyer rails, after I remove the metal ties.
Then I re-bend and spike the rails down on little wooden ties on top of
cork roadbed. I use vintage rails to make all my own switches as well.

S-Happens!
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 46460 From: Lou &Lois Templeton Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Roundhouse
Barb, I too admire your layout. I have a Bowser but it isn't installed yet. I working on the main lines first. I particularly like your roundhouse. What kind is it and where did you get it?

Thanks,
Lou Templeton

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46461 From: Rick Evans Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Roundhouse
This has NOTHING to do with roundhouses, but I had to mention
That "Templeton" is a very small town just a few short miles North of
me!


Rick.


> Barb, I too admire your layout. I have a Bowser but it isn't
> installed yet. I working on the main lines first. I particularly
> like your roundhouse. What kind is it and where did you get it?
>
> Thanks,
> Lou Templeton
>
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>
>
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://S-Scale.org/albums
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46462 From: John Degnan Date: 12/30/2007
Subject: Re: Popular Rail Codes in S scale (For Hand-Laying)
This sort of activity is most likely a rare occurence though, I assume. Is there anyone else out there that uses (hand-lays) rail of this size (whatever size it may be) on a regular basis?


John Degnan
Scaler164@...

----- Original Message -----
From: Timboy
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: December 30, 2007 9:00 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Popular Rail Codes in S scale (For Hand-Laying)


> 2. Does anyone in S use anything larger than AM's code 146 or 148
(or whatever it is)?

Well, I do. I use vintage Flyer rails, after I remove the metal ties.
Then I re-bend and spike the rails down on little wooden ties on top of
cork roadbed. I use vintage rails to make all my own switches as well.
S-Happens!
Tim Brown

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46463 From: Charles E. Smith Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: Man in the Caboose
Add a single diode (rectifier) in series with the magnet coil. Ask for one
at a Radio Shack store. Probably needs to handle about 1-2 amps.



Chuck Smith

http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

cesmith@...



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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 1:27 PM
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Bill Zide
Subject: [S-Trains] Man in the Caboose



I was writing with a O gauge friend as we compare AF and Lionel.

Somehow we got to writing about the operating man on the cabooses and how it
makes noise.

He said that Lionel has the same problem with the noise from the man going
back and forth.

I believe on this list, it has been mention that there is something that can
be added to the inside of the caboose to quiet this noise down.

Could someone who knows about this let me know what needs to be done for
this?

thanks,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46464 From: roy inman Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: Popular Rail Codes in S scale (For Hand-Laying)
Tim,

Any photos?

Roy Inman

From: Timboy <Timboy@...>
Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:00:14 +0000
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Popular Rail Codes in S scale (For Hand-Laying)


> 2. Does anyone in S use anything larger than AM's code 146 or 148
(or whatever it is)?

Well, I do. I use vintage Flyer rails, after I remove the metal ties.
Then I re-bend and spike the rails down on little wooden ties on top of
cork roadbed. I use vintage rails to make all my own switches as well.

S-Happens!
Tim Brown






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Group: S-Trains Message: 46465 From: Mike Rosz Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] 12B Transformer Question
NO to the lamp cord. not heavy enough.
It is what 16 and I think you need at least a 14 or 12 gauge wire.


On Mon, 24 DEC 2007 18:57:54 -0000 "Glenn Starlit" <saucer@yahoo> writes:
I need to replace the electrical cord. What type wire should I use?

Does it need to be aluminum?

Will regular copper lamp cord be OK?

Thanks in advance,

Glenn Starlit




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Group: S-Trains Message: 46466 From: Mike Rosz Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] Would you start with S today?
I started in S. but the military, actually I was navy, requirement we all
had to perform
and my mom gave it to our neighbors. later I started up again and was
into HO.
I was not aware of the used Flyer market. until I went to a train show.
I did have a double layout
HO in the center and S Flyer on the outside. but I moved. It is miserable
when you do not own your home. Now I own my own mobile home but I am
cramped for space.
I have a photo lab (which I am thinking of selling off), and a Ham Radio
Station, ( which
needs to be thinned out a bit).

On Mon, 24 DEC 2007 09:37:07 -0500 "Michael and Linda Marker"
<large@noncom> writes:
As someone who just started a A layout, I think S is the perfect size in
a train.

There are lots things on the market for S that where not there a few
years ago.

S Helper has wonderful detail engines and cars, while
www.classictrains.com has wonderful solid rail track that looks very
realistic.

I have a 12 x 8 foot layout, as many houses today do not have large space
for a layout due to the cost of land and houses. Looking at O, I could
not fit as much in this space with all the AF accessories I am using,
plus some other things.

I am just amazed at this layout, as I watch a line of S Helper cars move
down the line, on the classic trains track.

But only you can really decide on what to do.

Mike Marmer
----- Original Message -----
From: jhl1963
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 10:59 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Would you start with S today?

Friends, I grew up with my father's Flyer hanging above my bed, yet
never ran it. I was introduced to G when I was 6 and never ran
anything else. I recently got the itch to take up another gauge and am
deciding between O and S. While it is somewhat clear to me that back
in the day the Flyer operating access and detail surpassed Lionel,
with all of the O available today I'm wondering what you guys would
start with if you weren't already entrenched with S.

I recently had the pleasure of seeing a nice AF layout with operating
accessories running for the first time.......what a treat! While I was
not around in the 50s, it definitely made me feel like it was another
era.

Thanks fellas.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46467 From: Mike Rosz Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] Movie - "The Man Who Saved Christmas"
I was busy, so I missed it.
just got to my e-mail today the 27.
wonder if it is available on dvd or vhs. Did any one tape it?

On Mon, 24 DEC 2007 17:42:18 -0000 "Greg Ken" <moveables@yahoo> writes:
Holiday TV Viewing - "The Man Who Saved Christmas," the early years of
A.D. Giblet's life, will be broadcast on Lifetime Movie Network (MN)
at 4:20 PM EST today, December 24. On DISH broadcasting this is
channel 109.

Hope you and your family will have time to watch this wonderful movie.

Happy Holidays to All.

Greg




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Group: S-Trains Message: 46468 From: Michael and Linda Marmer Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: Man in the Caboose
Thanks Chuck.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles E. Smith
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Man in the Caboose


Add a single diode (rectifier) in series with the magnet coil. Ask for one
at a Radio Shack store. Probably needs to handle about 1-2 amps.

Chuck Smith

http://www.trainweb.org/chucksmith/

cesmith@...

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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michael and Linda Marmer
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 1:27 PM
To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Bill Zide
Subject: [S-Trains] Man in the Caboose

I was writing with a O gauge friend as we compare AF and Lionel.

Somehow we got to writing about the operating man on the cabooses and how it
makes noise.

He said that Lionel has the same problem with the noise from the man going
back and forth.

I believe on this list, it has been mention that there is something that can
be added to the inside of the caboose to quiet this noise down.

Could someone who knows about this let me know what needs to be done for
this?

thanks,

Mike Marmer

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46469 From: Thomas Stoltz Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: latching relays
Tim wrote: "Now the tough part - where to find ones that are suitable for
our use at the right price. I have tried doing umpteen online searches and
can only come up with very pricey, high-voltage ones."



Hi Tim and All,

All Electronics (www.allelectronics.com <http://www.allelectronics.com/> )
has been mentioned many times on this list. In the current catalog, under
relays is a 4.5 VDC latching relay, DPDT with 1 amp contacts at 30 VDC
(that's 2 amps at 15 VDC, isn't it?) for $1.50 each. Buy 50 and they are
only $1.20 each.

If the 2 amp contacts aren't robust enough for live switching how about
coupling the latching relay with a 12 VDC 4PDT with 5 amp contacts selling
for $4.00 each (10 for $37.50)? The latching relay would control the 4PDT
relay yielding a 4PDT latching relay for $5.50.

Don't know if that is in the price range or not, but I hope it helps.

Also, a question for the more electronically inclined: Could the 1 amp @ 30
VDC rating be pushed to, let's say, 3 amp at 15 VDC? I'm under the
impression pushing the contact rating shortens the life of the contacts (and
only if you are switching live). If this is true, the relay might burnout
every ten years instead of every twenty - but at a $1.50 a shot.

Tom Stoltz

Tom's Turnouts & Trackwork
Maine S Gaugers
NASG

www.tomsturnouts.com <http://www.tomsturnouts.com/>





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46470 From: George Cohn Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: [Strains] Movie - "The Man Who Saved Christmas"
Mike Rosz wrote:
>
>
> I was busy, so I missed it.
> just got to my e-mail today the 27.
> wonder if it is available on dvd or vhs. Did any one tape it?
>
> On Mon, 24 DEC 2007 17:42:18 -0000 "Greg Ken" <moveables@yahoo> writes:
> Holiday TV Viewing - "The Man Who Saved Christmas," the early years of
> A.C. Giblet's life,

It's on DVD but you may have to search for it as it's not currently in
production. I was able to find a used copy on Amazon for $4.37.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 46471 From: Timboy Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: Popular Rail Codes in S scale (For Hand-Laying)
--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, roy inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> Any photos?
>
> Roy Inman
>

Hi Roy,

I'll be posting a few pics soon of a new "vista" I have about
completed. It is a rock-ledge mountain that hides a 757 Log Loader.
In a couple days.

S-Happens!
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 46472 From: Lou &Lois Templeton Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: [S-Trains] Town name
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Evans
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 10:23 PM
Subject: **Possible_Spam** Re: [S-Trains] Roundhouse
Rick, I assume you live in NW Indiana, as I was through Templeton,IN about 17 years ago while visiting a friend in that area. There is also a Templeton,PA located on the Allegheny River above Pittsburgh.
Lou



This has NOTHING to do with roundhouses, but I had to mention
That "Templeton" is a very small town just a few short miles North of
me!

Rick.

> Barb, I too admire your layout. I have a Bowser but it isn't
> installed yet. I working on the main lines first. I particularly
> like your roundhouse. What kind is it and where did you get it?
>
> Thanks,
> Lou Templeton
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://S-Scale.org/albums
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46473 From: JFrederick Roberts Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: Roundhouse * *
Rick,
And the only other State to have a town called "Templeton", is PA. Or big enough to get in my 1995 Rand McNally .

jfred

Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote:
This has NOTHING to do with roundhouses, but I had to mention
That "Templeton" is a very small town just a few short miles North of
me!

Rick.

> Barb, I too admire your layout. I have a Bowser but it isn't
> installed yet. I working on the main lines first. I particularly
> like your roundhouse. What kind is it and where did you get it?
>
> Thanks,
> Lou Templeton
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Enjoy thousands of great photos
> at http://S-Scale.org/albums
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46474 From: boss31@aol.com Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: Using a Pike Master Crossover. It does not to look bad
No Gary, I don't. I just built it from a plan in my head. One of these days
I'll draw one up.

Steve


In a message dated 12/29/2007 4:26:47 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
gchidester@... writes:

Do you have a copy of the track plan? That sounds a lot like what I am
hoping for, a long run without repeating.





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Group: S-Trains Message: 46475 From: john isn't eddie anymore Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: E-bay
Has any compiled a list of burn artists to be found on e-bay? Not looking to slander anyone, just looking for "heads-up" kind of discretion-TYIA-John Marganski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46476 From: WJJIM@aol.com Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: Man in the Caboose
Be sure to check to output volts with the track power at it's highest.
Sometimes volts will increase going thru rectifier, I am told. Might "cook" the
coil.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46477 From: Timboy Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: latching relays
Hi Tom,

That's terrific and many thanks. For some odd reason, when I did a
search on this topic in our List database, your post did not pop up.
Darn! Anyway, I went to the site you mentioned and there they are! So
here is another great source of good, affordable electronics for us to
tinker with. Turns out, MY approach then is a "novel" and rather
analog way to handle the situation and if someone wanted to do a "pure"
vintage layout with no modern electronics, then okay - have at it.
Otherwise, the site you posted is a great source!

Happy New Year!

S-Happens!
Tim Brown
Group: S-Trains Message: 46478 From: Andrew Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Yea ... Right ! Check this out on Ebay
Guys ( and Girls ) You've got to check this out ! Not only does this
guy need a psychiatrist, he needs an english teacher . What a crock !
Check out ebay item # 140194603980
Group: S-Trains Message: 46479 From: George Cohn Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: latching relays
Thomas Stoltz wrote:
>
> Also, a question for the more electronically inclined: Could the 1 amp @ 30
> VDC rating be pushed to, let's say, 3 amp at 15 VDC? I'm under the
> impression pushing the contact rating shortens the life of the contacts (and
> only if you are switching live). If this is true, the relay might burnout
> every ten years instead of every twenty - but at a $1.50 a shot.
>

You might get away with it for a while. I tend to over spec things
instead of under spec. The idea of coupling the latching relay with a
heavier duty relay makes the most sense.

BTW, I got bored last night and wrote a little program to burn into a
PIC chip for my 759 danger bell circuit. It incorporates an input for
either a contact closure or a photo diode detector.

I programmed it so that once it detects something, it dings and flashes
for 4 seconds. By adding a photo detector on either side of the road
crossing, it will ding for 4 seconds once the train clears the crossing
and work no matter which direction the train is going.

Hopefully I will have time to test it over the next few days.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 46480 From: dwightlehnhoff Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: Man in the Caboose
I've always had the volts reduce going through a rectifier.
Dwightg Lehnhoff
Group: S-Trains Message: 46481 From: The LANIERs Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: E-bay
A great idea but such an effort would probably leave someone open to litigation. What bugs me almost as much are the guys selling "RARE" 631 green T&P gondolas and the like, and the ones who disassemble perfectly good locos and sell them piecemeal. I see few items on Ebay which justify the "R" word.

paflyrman
----- Original Message -----
From: john isn't eddie anymore
To: TCA group ; S-Trains
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 1:12 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] E-bay


Has any compiled a list of burn artists to be found on e-bay? Not looking to slander anyone, just looking for "heads-up" kind of discretion-TYIA-John Marganski

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46482 From: Jim Hare Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [S-Trains] E-bay
Just said the exact thing to my wife, I would rather pay you more money
for the intact piece to preserve it that see someone tear it apart to
chase a dollar. Its just about greed

Jim

The LANIERs wrote:
>
> A great idea but such an effort would probably leave someone open to
> litigation. What bugs me almost as much are the guys selling "RARE"
> 631 green T&P gondolas and the like, and the ones who disassemble
> perfectly good locos and sell them piecemeal. I see few items on Ebay
> which justify the "R" word.
>
> paflyrman
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: john isn't eddie anymore
> To: TCA group ; S-Trains
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 1:12 PM
> Subject: [S-Trains] E-bay
>
> Has any compiled a list of burn artists to be found on e-bay? Not
> looking to slander anyone, just looking for "heads-up" kind of
> discretion-TYIA-John Marganski
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Group: S-Trains Message: 46483 From: clayton deich Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
Hi Alistair, and Happy new year! You had a real nice
show of fire works on the TV ..... Well done!




--- Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote:

> Actually the reason that many plugs were polarized
> goes back to the
> final days of local Edison type DC power supplies.
> With a plus and a
> minus terminal it was necessary to have the polarity
> correct on the
> plug to operate early AC/DC radios as cathode to
> anode electron flow
> could not take place the wrong way round. Alistair
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
> >
> > Bill,
> > Even though the both the hot & neutural
> were fused, the 2
> prong
> > outlets were equipped with a copper colored side
> screw for the hot &
> the other
> > side with a silver colored screw for the white/
> neutrals.
> > Here is the reason for this: Two hots can use one
> single common
> neutral. So
> > that two circuits can use one neutral. Mike in
> ore
> >
>
>
>



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Group: S-Trains Message: 46484 From: Alistair McAllister Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs
Happy New Year to you too Clayton and everyone in the group. Alistair.
----- Original Message -----
From: clayton deich
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Polarized vs. Non-Polarized Plugs


Hi Alistair, and Happy new year! You had a real nice
show of fire works on the TV ..... Well done!

--- Alistair McAllister <alizoo@...> wrote:

> Actually the reason that many plugs were polarized
> goes back to the
> final days of local Edison type DC power supplies.
> With a plus and a
> minus terminal it was necessary to have the polarity
> correct on the
> plug to operate early AC/DC radios as cathode to
> anode electron flow
> could not take place the wrong way round. Alistair
> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote:
> >
> > Bill,
> > Even though the both the hot & neutural
> were fused, the 2
> prong
> > outlets were equipped with a copper colored side
> screw for the hot &
> the other
> > side with a silver colored screw for the white/
> neutrals.
> > Here is the reason for this: Two hots can use one
> single common
> neutral. So
> > that two circuits can use one neutral. Mike in
> ore
> >
>
>
>

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Group: S-Trains Message: 46485 From: ken_5556 Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: latching relays
I like Mouser. Check them out.

http://www.mouser.com/search/refine.aspx?Ntt=latching+relay

Ken






--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote:
>
> Thomas Stoltz wrote:
> >
> > Also, a question for the more electronically inclined: Could the
1 amp @ 30
> > VDC rating be pushed to, let's say, 3 amp at 15 VDC? I'm under the
> > impression pushing the contact rating shortens the life of the
contacts (and
> > only if you are switching live). If this is true, the relay might
burnout
> > every ten years instead of every twenty - but at a $1.50 a shot.
> >
>
> You might get away with it for a while. I tend to over spec things
> instead of under spec. The idea of coupling the latching relay with
a
> heavier duty relay makes the most sense.
>
> BTW, I got bored last night and wrote a little program to burn into
a
> PIC chip for my 759 danger bell circuit. It incorporates an input
for
> either a contact closure or a photo diode detector.
>
> I programmed it so that once it detects something, it dings and
flashes
> for 4 seconds. By adding a photo detector on either side of the
road
> crossing, it will ding for 4 seconds once the train clears the
crossing
> and work no matter which direction the train is going.
>
> Hopefully I will have time to test it over the next few days.
>
> George Cohn
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 46486 From: John Degnan Date: 12/31/2007
Subject: Re: Popular Rail Codes in S scale (For Hand-Laying)
I think a lot of folks are getting the wrong idea about the question I posted about rail codes. I'm not looking for rail, nor do I need any. I'm just trying to determine what sizes and codes are availible and what is the most commonly used rail code(s) used by hand-layers in S scale.

And yes, there is a reason for my madness... I'm (still) working on designing a gauge (a 2-point gauge in this case) suitable for hand-laying. My hope is to come up with a multi-sided gauge with "nubs" on each side that accomodate a certain range of codes of rail (the heads of the rail go between the "nubs")... a gauge that could be used by anyone and everyone regardless of what kind/size of rail is used.

See the drawing at the URL below to get a better idea of the direction I'm trying to go with this idea... and feel free to offer and suggestions.

www.trainweb.org/seaboard/ODDSTUFF/NEWSScaleGauge.gif


John Degnan
Scaler164@...


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